The Unspoken Rules: What Women Really Want vs. What They Say We Want ft Jasmyn & Shari - Ep.080 - Unattainable Podcast Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
but.
But the problem on a societalstandpoint is what happened is
all of the nice guys, like agood, probably like 80 of them,
are looking around and they'relike damn, that guy just slept
with her the first time, thatguy slept with the first time.
Oh wait, I have to wait tillthe third, fourth date.
You're like maybe I should be afuck boy because then I get to

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sleep with girls, right?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
away.
I don't have to wait all thetime, you know they always say
like nice guys finish last.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
I don't want to be the nice guy I mean, if being
nice is not good enough becauseyou don't want it, then the
opposite would have to be truewell, I just think you want a
guy where he just doesn't ruleout the red carpet for everyone.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
You want a guy where, like special, those same girls
can't get in a relationship withthe guy they actually want
maybe no, they can't, they can't, absolutely they can't.
I find joy in rejecting guyswho are boys.
They have this saying rightthey're like girls, want a bad
guy who's good for them and guyswant a good girl.

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Who's bad?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
for them.
How often do you see him?
We live together okay, okay sobut you're skipping a lot of
things that are happening withinthis year.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yeah, because it's a little messy and I don't think
anyone cares.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, the mess is what I'm looking for.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
I can tell You're like what's wrong with this
bitch?
Let's get down to it.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Welcome to Unattainable.
Glad to have you with us.
I'm Zach Evans, along with myco-host, mohamed, and we have a
couple special guests on thepodcast today.
Why don't you guys go ahead andintroduce yourself, name what
you do and your star sign, andwe'll start with you, jasmine.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Okay, I'm Jasmine, I'm 27.
And star sign we'll go with I'ma cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I mean we'll go with that.
So I mean we'll go.
We'll go with that we'll justmake it up.
Well, I'm a cancer.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm not into that stuff, so I don't like to, you
know it really matters that muchto me um, I'm shari, I'm a
virgo and I do marketinginteresting those are virgo as
well september, august september.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Are you also a sociopath, or is that just him?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Male Virgos are totally different, but I'm not
huge into astrology either.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
You guys are the only girls in LA that I've met that
are not into astrology I liveinside of Corito.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So I'm more like LA, you grew up in California.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, I'm not into it .
I feel like people that grew upin California are like
different.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
When's your birthday?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
September 1st oh cool .

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Awesome.
My cousin's birthday isSeptember 2nd, really.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
When's yours?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
18th.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Okay, so you barely made it.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
A few days Barely.
I mean, everything is just amatter of time.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
no, yeah, my sister is a year and four days older
than me and I was supposed to beours twins and I was four days
late and I got september 1stinstead of august 27th oh, look
at that.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, congratulations interesting.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I I'm I'm curious how you guys avoided uh believing
in the star signs thing, is ityou just?
Same I don't think I really hadan effect personally, but I
just it does.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
It bores me, I just don't.
I don't know, it doesn'tinterest me at all um.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
I think that, like we're nature and nurture.
And so, like I refuse to letlike Google tell me who I am,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's crazy, because I actually very much enjoy star
signs.
I think they're very fun, Ithink they're very.
It helps you get on aconversation with somebody very
quickly off of like, oh you're anurse, Got you into nursing and
on to like like things that.
Oh, what are your hopes anddreams?
What's your personality like,who do you get along with?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
like things like that okay, that's fair, but I don't
like you too.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Well, dating in la then what?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
yeah, I mean it's like, it's like a go-to, it's
like a go-to.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
It's great.
It's like he talked about thesigns on our first day, oh my oh
yeah, I memorized all 12, Imean you have to like it's part
of the part of the game it is agood for a conversation.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
It's really good yeah , it is, but but it's bizarre to
me.
Have you guys heard of the flatearth theory, the flat earth
people?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
So so you look at flat earth as everybody's like,
oh, they're so dumb they don'tknow what they're talking about.
The earth is flat.
This is crazy, right, andthat's like crazy.
But if you ask people in, la,oh yeah, there's these magical
floating rocks millions of milesaway that we call planets, that
beam our personalities into ourbrain based on the month and
day we were born, and people actlike, oh yeah, that's totally

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normal, yeah, and then they likeflat earth.
That's the weird one.
I'm like they're equally asweird.
They're like both kind of silly.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Well, I mean, I do like think that there's some
truth to it, but it also can bevery like, vague and applicable
to a lot of people you know.
But to be said about ourrelation to the moon and the
universe?
So I believe that, butultimately I believe in God.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
So from one imaginary You're like staring in my soul.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
I've been feeling it this whole time.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I just think it's ironic.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I feel like we're here to do it to you too.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Most big into signs, by the way, okay.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
No, I just think it's ironic that you don't believe
in signs, but you do believe inGod.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
It's not that I don't believe in it, but I don't
think that it like defines whowe are.
And I think sometimes that,like you, like I do notice that
there are a lot of like Virgothings that are totally
applicable to me, but, like whenI was younger, I was like, well
, I don't like this aspect of me.

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So you might be likepredispositioned but you can
change sure, yeah, like if youwere, you know a food what a
dish like a food, like, like,like like.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
If you were I don't know what's a steak, for example
right, you would taste thebasic, how it tastes.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
The steak would taste like, but then you could add
other flavors to it later onit's an interesting analogy sure
I mean I wasn't sure what I wasgoing at first and I was like,
okay, I can see that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah, but you guys also got like the shitty
signs.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
You know you didn't get pisces that's hilarious,
because virgos all know thatvirgos are the best.
You know what virgos which islike a virgo virgos are like
virgos are the nerds of the starsigns.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
They're like oh, star wars.
Excel spreadsheets.
Well, android in their life.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
You know what's interesting to me?
All the other signs are tryingand constantly trying to
overcompensate in order tobecome the best versus like the
virgos are just the best youknow every sign says that about
their sign.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
But like virgos the most, for sure, is it like that?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
totally okay, it's like you can look at the sign
stuff and like they'll, you'llsee that they're like virgos
think they're the best I'm gonnalook out for that now more and
see if I can see that that'sfunny.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
What do you guys?
What do you do now?

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I'm marketing real estate like I would do marketing
in real estate got it.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
bottle service nursing school how's bottle
service going?
Um, bottle service is bottleservice.
I mean it's, it's la, it'shectic, it's um time consuming.
I would say it's long.
It's long but it's timeconsuming.
I would say it's long.
It's long but it's short.
It's like I would say it's moredraining.
When I say long, it's a verydraining job dealing with people
that are drunk and gettingdrunker and just money.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
It's just a lot it's very LA, yeah it is.
I've noticed this attitude withsome of the bottle service
girls, where they just they hatetheir life.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
And my problem is especially being in the service
industry, the person I mean.
If you're a bottle service girl, you need to make it seem like
you're having fun, becausethat's the whole job description
.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, like when they're bringing out bottles
they're like not even smiling,right it's like a such a normal
thing and I think it's so weirdto do that, yeah because at
least if you don't if you dohate it, you can actually like,
you can get out of it and do adifferent job, or you can just
fake it for those couple secondsthat you're doing a show,
because that's literally all youhave to do yeah so I totally
get what you say yeah, um, doyou?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
do you try to squeeze the clients for more tips?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yes and no.
I mean I think you want to doanything that you can when
they're in the club to get moretips, of course, but you just
have to be careful.
You know, everyone when they'redrinking.
Like you can get in trouble ifyou're over serving, over
selling when you shouldn't be,when you clearly know they're
too drunk, you can get in a lotof trouble for that.
So, it depends.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
You just kind of got to read the table, read the room
, right, yeah, I mean, there'sbeen a lot of times where people
would come up to me and say, oh, like this girl is, like, is my
tip included in this check.
And then I look at the checkand what?
And here's the thing Some ofthe clubs try to make it seem
like the tip is not includedwhere it actually is.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, you have to.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
And that's the biggest problem, Because the
person looks at it and it's likeit says service charge, and
then it says tip underneath andthe tip is like you just fill it
in.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It doesn't say tip, it's gratuity.
And if you're drunk, peopledon't know what that means.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
So that helps us.
I mean you should, If you don'tunderstand that there's a
service charge and tip, thenmaybe you deserve it.
Yeah, I mean at that.
After that you signed.
I don't care how drunk I am,I'm still, yeah, pretty on point
, and you're probably not thefirst time you've ever been to a
club.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
You've been there before it goes.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's expensive well, some people are for out of, from
out of town.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, you know that's true, there are people who've
never been to the club yeah sothey come from we make sure they
have the best never been to theclub.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, so they come from.
We make sure they have the besttime wisconsin.
It was the first time zach gothere from wisconsin.
Well, you went to nashvillefirst and then you went to vegas
, so you had gone to the club,but the first time you went and
you got bottle service no, thatwas in la that was in la the
first time you did that but Iread that shit and I was like no
church.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I was actually more angry that there was like a
service charge.
I'm like, isn't the servicewhat I'm paying for already?
Like I didn't mind the gratuity.
I'm like, okay, I'm used tolike tipping, but like why is
there a service charge and thenalso a gratuity?
And then also I remember therewas an entertainment fee.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Entertainment fee and I was like what am I paying for
with the bottle?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
That's an HWIT thing paying for with the bottle.
Yet that's the h with thing.
Okay, yeah, h for group hasstarted doing that, like bootsy,
and good for them.
Yeah, keeps the service charged, you know?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
um, I think it splits well, it depends on the venue
not specifically just the bottle, girls.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's for us is just tip gratuity, and then anything
on top of that is what serviceis like for the buster?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
I think it's for like everybody yeah, it's for like
the whole.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's just for the whole place busters, bars,
barbacks, all of that I went tocollege in wisconsin no way yeah
I played volleyball, uwm nice Iwas born and raised here in la.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
It was my first time in snow.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
It was a culture shock yeah, were you like it was
a culture shock.
Why are these people so nice?

Speaker 4 (11:24):
they're not that nice wisconsin.
No, you're like the nicestpeople I'm gonna take maybe it's
that's a you problem.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Wait what happened I don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I mean, maybe it is a me problem.
I'm definitely morewell-rounded and better looking
than a lot of people there.
Oh no, that's, it's a meproblem and that well the thing
is, we're the the biggest umbiggest dairy state in the
entire us.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So it's a lot of cows in wisconsin you know,
milwaukee is also the biggestcity in wisconsin yeah so maybe
that's why the people aren'tprobably the same maybe, maybe,
but uwm is also like kind of thekind of sketchy, a little bit
like that area for sure.
What happened, though?

(12:09):
Like what was your experience?

Speaker 4 (12:12):
uh, I was like pretty immersed in volleyball so I
didn't like get out too much,but it's a full-time job,
division one volleyball orsports um, but I feel like I
couldn't relate to a lot of thepeople.
They didn't understand a lotabout life and just kind of live
in a bubble.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Wisconsin is very much like and that's why I got
out of there.
I love Wisconsin, I thinkpeople are genuine, but it's
like, oh, my dad worked at thefactory.
I'm going to work at the samefactory my dad did until I'm 65
and pray to God there's socialsecurity, because that's all
I've been doing the last 40years.
It's very much that kind ofstate where people don't travel

(12:55):
and eat sushi.
It's like, oh, raw fish, what'sgoing to happen to me?
It's like one of those statesvery much.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, so if you're open-minded might not be the
best fit exactly.
It's a good way to put it.
It's a nice way to put it allright.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
So what's your relationship status?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
um situationships have been a thing probably for a
couple years now.
It just works out better for mepersonally why is that?
um freedom, but not in the senseof like seeing other people or
stuff like that.
It's just more of just notchecking in and like when I'm
busy, like and I'm nursingschools a lot, and like not
having time.
It's like people don'tunderstand that and I think they

(13:35):
get really upset and like whatare you doing?
Why haven't you called me backor text me back?
Why can't we hang out?
I'm busy, so like when I don'thave to check in, like that
works out for me, and not inlike yeah, not doing anything
sketchy.
Just I don't have, I don't likeyou're not my parent or
anything like that, so likeuntil I'm ready to settle down
situation ships our words outhow old are you?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
27 27 you're not worried about.
I mean obviously, it justsounds like you haven't found
the right person.
That would make you want tosettle down.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's probably definitely part of it.
I haven't, and I mean untilthen, I wouldn't know.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Right, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That sounds like it could be true.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Right, it sounds like the only thing that is true.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
You need someone that also is like busy, busy.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
And they understand that that is true, you need
someone that also is like busy,busy.
And they understand thatTotally.
So yeah, see, in my small townit's hard to meet people because
it's like everyone's already,like you know, has miles on them
, tons of miles, and my friendshave done those miles and so
like I don't want to like.
I just don't want to be a partof that.
So they're like a small town,you don.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
They're like a small town, you don't like you know
everybody they're not into, likethey're not doing jobs, that
they're busy, so like I justlike don't really meet anyone
that has normal jobs.
We are busy 24 7, if that makessense the, the miles.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I think that's like a nice way to say it.
Right, right, right on you umso so.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
So like these people are like your friends, or
they're just well everyone knowseveryone.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
So I mean I wouldn't say friend, but like I know I
would if I go out and see themat a bar.
I know who they are.
I wouldn't say friends.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
So I mean, what's the difference between, like,
knowing who they slept withversus not knowing who they
slept with?
But they did sleep with a bunchof people I just don't.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
It doesn't make me feel easy just knowing that
everyone in my town has sleptwith each other if, like it,
just like.
I'd rather it be people I don'tknow.
That would make me feel alittle more like okay, I don't
know you, so I don't really careinstead of someone being able
to say like oh, I coming up tome, or like saying something to
my friends, like, oh, yeah, likehim and I, I don't care and I
don't want to know.
It's like I want it to be likewhere.
It's just like don't ask, don'ttell.

(15:44):
But it's not like that in asmall town.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Is it like you don't want the guy to have the
satisfaction of going to hisfriends?
Like yo, I hooked up withJasmine.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
No, no, I just like don't.
I just don't rather not know,but like people don't know how
to keep their mouth shut in asmall town, that's just what it
is.
People I've dated in my townbefore I always hear about who
they slept with without asking,like it just like goes around
and around and I just like don'twant to hear about it.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
It's just, it's just annoying but I understand that
it's annoying, but like why?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't know, it's just like why.
I don't know why it has to betalked about when they're not
with you but why does it botheryou?
Um, I feel like they're justlike people just try to one up
all the time, or like try to.
If they're telling me that, arethey trying to bring me down?
Or like like what is the reasonto let me know?
Or let someone to let me know,like why you have to do that got
it because it's just likeyou're just coming for me.
That's all you feel like there'sjudgment behind totally, or

(16:35):
it's like if it you know, if youdid, that's awesome, but like I
don't, like I just don't needto know that's all, but it's not
coming from a good place at alland I know that.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
So the situationship that you're currently in, that's
you don't see a future withthis person where you're going
to get married, when we're atright now?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
probably not, but maybe when I'm settled and I
have more time and he has moretime because he actually is he's
.
He's a big boy job.
So he's good right now, like heworks with me.
Maybe if we have more timetogether and like see how it
goes possibly, but right nowit's just very easy, very easy.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
And I enjoy that right now.
Got it?
Yeah Well, good for you.
Thanks.
What's your situation?

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Taken, taken.
I'm a relationship girl.
How old are you again?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
26, 26 you guys are almost the same age, yep, so how
long have you guys beentogether?

Speaker 4 (17:29):
a year like this month, but we met a couple years
ago okay, okay, so you werefriends for a year we went on a
few dates um, but we weren'treally like friends.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I would say so there's a long incubation period
before you started dating yeah,like, uh, um, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
I was thinking just like when we met.
I was just like I had a lotgoing on and it took some time
to like chip away at the walls,yeah I think it's so good to
start as friends first.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I've heard that's like a really good thing.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Good for you no, I hate that.
I think that's the worst oh my,why so negative?
it's way harder.
Like, okay, girls like twothings.
Right, you want the connectionand the this guy's a great guy,
he buys me flowers, all thiskind of thing, right, yeah.
And then you also want the kindof edgy, attractive, just like
gut level reaction, right, likethe fuck boy attitude with all.

(18:31):
But then the guy who's actuallylike a good guy right, it's way
easier as a guy to start off asthe fuck boy and she's
attracted to you and then shefinds out, oh wait, after the
fifth, sixth date.
Oh, this guy actually has likea heart and like a good soul and
everything like that.
But if you start under thefriend zone, it's like climbing
a fucking mountain to try to getout of that shit.

(18:53):
Like it's like she already seesyou as a friend.
It's like very hard to likepull your way out of that right?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
well, they have this saying, right.
They're like girls want a badguy who's good for them and guys
want a good girl.
Who's bad for them?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:07):
yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, so you agree with me no, I don't you just
said the same you don't want tostart off as the fuck boy with
the girl yeah, no you, you keepthat reputation, reputation the
whole time.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
there will always be like things going up like I have
to watch out for him.
You don't want that, shedoesn't want that.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, but she kind of does.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, but not seriously.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Just from my experience.
I started off.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
That's girls who don't know how to get married
and pick a good suitor, orthey're not ready.
Yeah totally, but they don'tknow because they're not ready.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, or totally, but they, they, they don't know
because they're not ready.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, or they're not ready, let's talk about you.
So, yeah, okay, get ready.
I felt that coming.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I saw him staring at me, so so your past
relationships, before youstarted dating this guy, you
were with guys who were verygood for you um my past
relationships have been veryoverall positive.
Presumably, or I guess they.
Okay, they have been.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Oh yeah, they have been Okay.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
They have been very good for you, so why did you end
those relationships then?

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Well, I think, like everyone right, like those
relationships were like duringand before college, those
relationships were like duringand before college.
So you have to like trial anderror and see and learn the
things that are like reallyimportant to you and things that

(20:38):
are like non-negotiables.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
If I'm being honest, I would say I don't like feeling
that I'm more intellectual thanthe person that I'm with and um
, you want to date up.
We should all want to date up.
Well, we can't, we can't, thatcan't that can't possibly happen
.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
How could that?
How could that possibly happen?
If we all dated up, somebodywould have to date down.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
No, I know we all want to date up, but um it up,
somebody would have to date down.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
No, I know we all want to date up, but um, you
have to do the work, you?
You said, you said we shouldall date up, we should all want
to date up, but again, thatwouldn't be realistic
considering that if, ifeverybody was to date up totally
, then somebody would have todate down yeah so that statement
I think that.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
I think that ideally, if you're in a good
relationship, you both thinkthat the person you're with is a
catch.
In which case, then you know inyour head you're dating up, but
in reality damn you're like ohyeah, she's a nine.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Your friends are like bro, she's a nine.
Your friends are like bro,she's a four.
What?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
do you mean?
So?
Essentially, you're suggestingto be delusional.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Oh no, Not really.
I think that I have a lot ofthings going for me and I think
all women should want to date aman that is a good leader.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Sure, yeah, I do think it's realistic for women
to want to date up, and perhapsthey.
Yeah, I do think it's realisticfor women to want to date up,
and perhaps they should.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
I mean, it just depends what you consider dating
up right.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, that's true.
It depends on the categoriesyou're in.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
What a man wants to date up.
I don't really know what thatmeans.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Well, look-wise, I suppose, Because I do think
there is that sort of like whenyou talk about the categories.
I do think there is that sortof like when you talk about the
categories.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
I think intellectually, um, it is much
more common for women to date upthan it is the other way around
well, it's just how am Isupposed to let my guards down
and let you lead if I don'tthink you can lead me better
than I can lead myself?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
sure, absolutely no, it's not like dating up, it's
just like I like gender roles Imean so you're dating
hypothetically, could be datingdown in looks, in other words,
you're more attractive than him,but then you're dating up in
intelligence and leadership andthings like that.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
We're, that's what you're saying I guess I mean
he's the one that like broughtup, bringing, like dating up and
down.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
That wasn't my terminology, that's like not
exactly how I'd phrase it, but Imean the, the phrasing of it is
is really just the reality ofwhat you said, which is like you
said.
You said you want to.
You want to be with somebodywho is more intellectual than
you will at least equally ormore.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
I don't want to be with someone where I feel like
you know, once you years go by,because all my relationships
have been like three years.
Once you really know each otherand you're like, you know you
can't talk about like oh, oh,what's your favorite color,
what's your favorite food Like,and you talk about your past
experiences, like.
Once you get past all of that,like getting to know each other,

(23:51):
there has to be more.
There has to be like abstractconversation going on.
And so I guess I learned thatyoung, that, like you know, when
I'm dating, don't just try tolike, get to know that person
like, try to have abstractconversation and see how well
they can talk about things inlife besides like what's going

(24:13):
on or what has happened.
You get what I'm saying yeah,yeah, for sure so there's that,
and I just like to be able tolearn from my partner, and I
know that, like I guess, ifwe're talking about like dating
up, it's like there are a lot ofthings that I can learn from my
partner and I know, as a woman,there are a lot of things that
my partner can learn from me,and like the way that I view the

(24:34):
world.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Come back to me, Okay sure, okay, so you've been with
the guy for a year.
How old is he?
42 42, okay, and you met whenhe was 40, 40, I guess 40 he was
40 at the time and then youwere 24.
Um, how did you guys meet?

Speaker 4 (25:01):
hinge uh-huh and also we both go to the same gym, so
we met on hinge.
But then seeing him at the gymlike I was like vetting him,
unbeknownst to him, at the gymso did you.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Did you see him?
Did you see him at the gym?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
and then he knew that you saw him at the gym matter
of fact, he never wanted to dateany girls at the gym and he's a
very attractive man and anygirls he saw at that gym online.
He was like left, left, left,like he didn't want to date any
girls that he knew were at hisgym.
He had never seen me there.
Vice versa, and when he pickedme up for our first date I saw

(25:40):
he had the like sticker in hiscar and I was like damn.
Because I wasn't really tryingto do that either.
What sticker?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
in this car.
What do you mean?
Sticker gold's gym?
No, no, I understand what.
They have a parking, um, oh,okay, so like a pass, yeah, and
I was like.
I was like, why does he have asticker in his car of the gym?

Speaker 4 (25:57):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like you go there.
And he's like, yeah, you gothere.
And I was like yeah, and then,um, yeah, I just like I had my
doubts because he's older andhe's attractive and like he's
doing well too.
So I was like what's he about?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
why?
Why does that bring you doubts?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
peter pan's what's peter pan's.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I have no idea what no one in here knows where peter
pan is, but it sounds good, Iwant to know when are you from.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Iran.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Well, yeah, so I was born and raised here in LA, and
Peter Pans are like what youcall older men who, just like
they, never grow up.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
And they just want to like date their whole life.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
They just want to date Tinkerbell their whole life
.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
So yeah, I was just like.
You know we have a friend who'slike that, but yeah, we'll
start calling him peter pan fromnow on.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
You should they're out there, um.
But then, like I saw him at thegym after, like, our first date
and like he doesn't check outgirls, he's like very focused on
himself and I was just likepicking up the vibes and I was
like what was his bench pressmax though?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
oh my, you see that.
Did you see that third plateslide in and like, damn this
guy's fucking hot, because goldsis uh, the three main gyms,
right like?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
I go to venice, golds , the mecca yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
So so he's probably really buff and like has like
huge muscles and stuff he's notlike super buff, but he's fit
and he played football incollege.
Because, because, golds is likefor the serious weightlifters.
Equinox is for like the peopletrying to get clout.
La fitness is for like thepeasants.
24-hour fitness is for the poorpeople.
That's pretty much where you go, like gym crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, no offense if no offense if you go to 24.
I don't Okay.
Just hear that out loud.
I was like damn, Like I couldthink that in my head, but out
loud I'm like wow.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, somebody actually said it, someone
fucking said it.
Yeah, gold's is like yeah, it'sokay.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I feel like when you think of like 24 hour fitness.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
People think hours, but that's fake news it used to
be 24.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
It's not so.
It hasn't been for years.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
They just realized that it's not worth the no one's
gonna go at four in the morning.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Three in the morning, it's not a thing I mean not the
people who pay five dollars amonth.
Um, all right, so so.
So I'm confused.
You saw this sticker in his carand at that point you already
know that he's at the gym and heknows that you go to the same
gym in the car.
I found out right right, right,but you hadn't seen him before

(28:35):
that, okay.
So then you go to the gym andyou see, you run into him, but
he sees you and you see him, ordo you see him and he doesn't
see you?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
like I don't know.
Probably it happened both ways.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Some days he saw me and I didn't see him okay, so
you randomly saw each other gotit or like, actually like
interact oh, okay, okay, so likeyou would see him and then not
interact yeah, like that's likevery strange to me far across
far across.
Why not interact and be like,hey, what's up?

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Well, he looked pretty focused, and if we're in
opposite rooms or I can see himoutside the window, I can put my
stuff down and go like run upon him.
I go to the gym to train too,and at the time I was um focused
on a bodybuilding competitionso this is the year that you
guys are friends and nothing ishappening.

(29:30):
Essentially, yeah, we weren'treally friends, we just went on
some dates okay, got it so.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
and then after a year you're finally sort of calmed
down with like the stuff thatyou got going on.
And then he's like let's takethis seriously or like how does
it go about?
Um yeah that's pretty much howit was, uh and then.
And then you said, cool, so nowit's been a year, what's the

(29:56):
next step?

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Went on another date.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
How often do you see him?
We live together.
Okay, okay, so, but you'reskipping a lot of things that
are happening within this year.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Yeah, because it's a little messy and I don't think
anyone cares.
But like well, the mess is whatI'm looking for I can tell
you're like what's wrong withthis bitch, let's get down to it
.
Um.
Well, actually it's pretty cute.
I my lease ended um around thetime.
We kind of like reconnected andmy family lives in austin and
my sister was going through um adivorce and she just like kind

(30:34):
of needed me to be around andstuff.
So I moved.
I like kind of like went toAustin, texas, for a bit to be
with my family and he had like abachelor party in Austin and my
sister and I crashed it.
It was a ton of fun and I likegot to know him more in like a
casual setting with other peoplearound.

(30:56):
And then he goes back and then,like at that point we both were
kind of just like I'm going tomiss you.
And then he goes back home andI'm still in Austin.
And then he went to Hawaii withsome of his buddies and he
invited me to Hawaii and thenthings went really well in

(31:16):
Hawaii as well.
So then I was supposed to flyback to Austin and I had a
connection in LA and he was likedo you want to just stay in LA
for a few days with me?
And I was like, yes, like I, itcrossed my mind, but I didn't
want to like be too forward, andwe were thinking the same thing
and then um went back to Austinwe were talking frequently and

(31:40):
then, like I visited him onemore time, came back and then
kind of just moved.
The rest is history.
So it doesn't sound likeanything too bad.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Like happened?
It was like really smooth.
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
He wanted it to be not smooth I know he doesn't
want me to be happy it's alwaysnegative.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
He doesn't want me to be happy there's nothing that I
think it should have been orshouldn't have been, it's just
it.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
It sounds like at some point he asked you to hey,
why don't you just move in, soyou could stay in la he kind of
like um, he asked me if I wantto just visit for the summer and
I was like, yeah, so then Ivisited for the summer.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
This is last summer, obviously yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
And then you know, then it was like do you want to
stay?

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Like hell, yeah, uh-huh, do you want to stay?
And then you said, yeah, sure,yeah, moving my stuff.
Went back to Austin, grabbedyour stuff.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
I have a lot of stuff in Austin.
I have a lot of stuff at hisplace, I have stuff in storage
here in LA.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Got it.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah, my sister and I next week are going to go half
season on the place, so we haveour own little space whenever
she flies down to LA.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Interesting, interesting.
So he knows that you're aboutto get your own place, even
though you guys live together.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, but it's not like my own place, it's like
they're also two minutes fromhis place.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's convenient.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Uh-huh, uh-huh and so what's the purpose of you
having your own place exactly?
Well, my sister is trying totransition here and we also are
starting our own podcast and wehave a few like business things
going on.
And, um, when she visits, Ilike don't want her to like like

(33:35):
bother him, like be in his faceso it's just like a
comfortability thing got it.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Got it works out.
So do you see a future with him?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
I only date with that in mind got it.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
So your plan is to sort of get married and settle
down at some point yeah, do you?
Are you hoping that he wouldmake the move at a certain time,
or do you just kind of go withit to see?

Speaker 4 (34:04):
I think my rule of thumb has always been and it's
always worked out for me is thatyou can tell by what a guy like
, not just what he says.
Obviously, actions areimportant too, but, um, I don't
really have like a time frame.
I would say that I wouldn'treally be with a guy more than
three years if he's neverexpressed wanting to marry me or

(34:28):
having kids with me or liketalking about the future in that
way with me.
Um, but, yeah, so it's not likea time like a specific two more
years.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I should check in and be like, hey, what's up?

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Well, he's actually already expressed that.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
That he wants to marry you.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
He's never met a girl that he's ever wanted to marry.
Oh, wow, okay, that's nice andall my exes wanted to marry me
too, so it sounds like bullshit,I know.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
No too, so sounds like bullshit.
I know I don't.
I don't think so.
No, I just can't believe youmet a successful relationship on
hinge.
I've never seen that in my life.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
I made a lot of people when that's the case,
really, and the only reason Iwent on hinge is because my
friends were like go on hinge.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
That's what my friends are doing to me too.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
They're like you meet good guys on hinge I've never
seen.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
You should be like the like, ask him for like a
sponsorship, like, put your, putyour picture on, like the front
of hinge.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
You know, testimonial it's some six-pack.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Dude you on the front you know just fucking because I
like the problem with onlinedating and why I don't like it.
Number one it only works ifyou're super hot, and usually I
get by my natural traumacharisma memorizing all the
characteristics of all 12 starsigns.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
So hinge doesn't work well for me but you can do the
voice memos on hinge and thoseare.
Those are really.
Girls have a good voice.
Those are so funny I've heard acouple where I'm like why did
you swipe left on him?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
that was really funny yeah, but let's be honest, if
he's not hot, can he really getaway with it with the voice
message?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
the voice message is gonna put them over the top it's
like, if you're potential, thenI'll read about it like let me,
let me know about you a littlebit more and then we'll decide
interesting.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Maybe, maybe you have to invest a lot of time.
Yes, you do reading, readingprofiles ugly people's profile,
not ugly potentials you're likewell, let's see if he has a
personality.
It takes a lot of time, andthen you're even after that
you're like wait the chat.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Gbt fucking write this, or you, motherfucker,
because you can get personalitycatfish now too.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Like they have apps that plug into the dating apps.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
The fucking robots tell you what to say.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Look how charming and cool I am, when you show up on
a date, this guy's fuckingvanilla yeah, talking to a
cinder block and they got threedating coaches no yeah

Speaker 1 (36:40):
on top of on top of that, maybe LA just has a bad
rap.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You just scored.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Well, I grew up here, I know what I'm looking for.
There you go, the day that.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I got off of dating apps was like five, six years
ago.
We're hanging out with one ofour friends and I love her to
death but, to be honest with youguys, she's just not attractive
.
She's five or six at best right, and we're like going through
her like well, this is tinder.
At the time I'm sure hinge isthe same shit and we're like oh,
let's, let me tinder's forstreetwalkers same shit unless
you're on raya or christianmingle.

(37:13):
Don't act like it's anydifferent.
All the people on tinder maketwo accounts one on hinge, one's
on tinder.
It's the same shit tinder is ano.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Tinder was cool like there's no way.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
10 years ago now it's like, that's like the slumps of
the dating apps.
Well, what did you just say?
You said streetwalkers.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I don't say that, I said slumps hinge bumble and
tinder are all the same category, false.
And then there's like matchcomand fucking christian mingle
over here.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
And then there's like raya, where the fucking
celebrities go, that is fakenews, all that, and even raya's,
like a lot of people say.
That's like the linkedin ofdating apps and that's cool.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I started dming girls on linkedin yo, I like your
blazer I swear some guys havetried to get at me on linkedin.
You guys will turn any shitinto a date.
You'll be on task, rabbit.
They'll like make it into adating app.
Like yo, like I like yourprofile.
Oh, you can like fix mypaintings cool any resource,

(38:11):
they'll find it, they'll use it.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
No, that's definitely some guys turn uber eats into
dating apps too.
Actually, that's true.
Yeah, the male picture.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Can you put a picture up?
And they know damn well whatthey're doing with their
pictures.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yes, yeah, okay, be honest with me, but don't lie.
You guys promise you're notgonna lie?
No, if a guy has a shirtlessselfie on his dating app but
he's fucking shredded, is that adeal breaker?
Is it like, but he's hot, youknow, I don't really like big
dudes like that, to be honestdoesn't have to be big, just
shredded like you can like youlook all right.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Um, it depends on pose.
It depends on the pose, that iseverything.
Because if you're doing likeduck lips or something, duck
lips.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Lips.
It doesn't matter how hot youare.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
No, oh, look, you tried to, we will.
You want to post a shittypicture cuz you like?

Speaker 4 (39:02):
well, if you look good, you probably probably
wouldn't be that shitty that's agood well, my rule of thumb is
like guys are always better inperson, that's usually girls are
not as good.
Yeah, that's very true yes, sosometimes you see them, they're
like that's what we callpotential and then you swipe
right, yes, swipe right, yes.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Oh man, I'm start using FaceApp and girls are
going to think I'm a fucking 10in real life.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
See, guys, you can't do that.
No, guys can edit theirpictures.
That's a no-go.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
I think that I don't really care if there's like a
shirtless pic.
It depends, like are theremultiple shirtless pics and it's
like, is spec at like 24 hourfitness mirror or is it like at
Equinox mirror?
I think the gym is weird.
I think, yeah, contextually,like he's at a pool or something
.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
There are only so many mirrors you could take a
selfie from.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, but like have someone take it for you in a
selfie.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's either a bathroom or the gym it's
different if it's a selfieversus someone taking it or a
mirror picture.
Because then at least youpretend like oh, this just
happened, naturally.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I was just sitting here flexing super hard and my
friend took a picture of me.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
There's so many things that just go into that.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
It depends on how it is Look at this dog that I
borrowed from my friend.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, maybe the dog looks like you're holding a dog
in your shirtless.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
That's totally okay girls love that you got a dog
you're dating at.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah, yeah I just think it's so immature to try to
rate but they're working hardfor that.
I, I, it's just you can't tellshit from somebody's pictures
and the fact that everybodytries to find, like figure out,
if this person is like a goodmatch or not, off of like the
type of pictures they take, it'slike, it's insane to me well,
hinge actually will tell you whoyou're, like, most compatible

(40:43):
with, like it actually will giveyou that feature, what you put
in does it require?

Speaker 4 (40:47):
okay, so I'm assuming you can even you can actually
filter through, like, oh, do youwant someone with the same?
Like you can actually filterethnicity, you can filter age,
you can filter height, you canfilter religion, you can filter
political views.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
So you know it's definitely not the same as
tinder I mean, I'm pretty sureyou could do that on every app
now I don't know all I'm sayingis every dude I know that has
hinge, has tinder and bumble too, and they just like fucking
swipe on all three, all becauselike as a guy it's different as

(41:21):
a girl.
Oh, I never finished my story,holy shit.
Oh my god, the reason I got offof dating apps is I had my
friend who's like not thatattractive, she's a girl, right
and I was like, oh, let me swipefor you.
Haha, this will be fun, right.
See a dude fucking male modelsix-pack swipe, right, right.
I'm like right, there's likeall these like really good
looking guys.
She's like zach, what are youdoing?

(41:41):
I'm like what do you mean?
I'm trying to get you likethese hot guys.
She's like, that guy's not hot.
I'm like this dude has like aneight pack and like his muscles
are so big you could likefucking crush my head into a
fine powder and put in hiscreatine shake.
You're telling me that guy'snot good enough for you and I'm
like, dude, I got no shot onthese platforms anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Well, what if she's not into that?

Speaker 4 (42:02):
I disagree.
I think girls love beards,that's 100% a fact.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Depends.
The Gen Z's don't really likeit that much.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
They like the little the pretty boys, the scrubs, the
soy boys.
What are you going for?
You're going down.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I typically date younger.
Yeah, of course, didn't we justtalk about this?
We're trying to level up.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
oh, you're talking about age range or you're
talking about intelligence?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I was like it depends what you mean date up the hard
part, because people think thatI date younger just because,
like younger, typically girlsmore attractive.
Um, but that's not actually thereason.
Well, that's part of the reasondo you date young girls?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
is that like your preference typically?

Speaker 1 (42:44):
yeah, my wheelhouse, I would say, is like that 23 to
26 range.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Okay, I'm 33 okay, so it's not that crazy.
I think it's that crazy.
No, yeah, but I've dated like19 year olds.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Before you know, jail time 19 it's a bit, sus it's a
bit.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Oh, come on but I would be like it would raise if
I'd be like that's interesting,but depending on the
relationship you have, then likewho am I to judge?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
See, I, don't judge people on their age.
I judge them on the content oftheir character, because I'm
very evolved and intellectual, Iagree that's shocking that you
think that.
Yeah, babe, there gap betweenlike, between like.
Let's be real like 8 to 11years old and like 12, okay, 12

(43:27):
to 14.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
We're not doing eight year olds 15 to 17, 18 to 21,
like there there.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
There's a gap there what is this gap that you speak
of?

Speaker 4 (43:35):
there's a lot of like maturity that I think people
gain between 18 to 23 but.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
but not everybody is the same Life experience.
That's also not.
Not everybody learns from lifeexperience.
People repeat the same mistakesover and over for decades
because they don't learn fromexperiences.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
They shouldn't date, they should focus on themselves.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, but I mean you're not going to be able to
enforce that in any way, shapeor form.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
No, yeah, but I'm just saying generally.
Overall, I would say there's avery small percentage of
19-year-old girls that areequally yoked with the 30 or
even close with the 33-year-oldman.
But I'm not judging you.
My man's way older than me.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, you have like a 16 years difference.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Totally.
But women also mature 10 yearsfaster than men.
Google what age do men fullymature?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
That's also bullshit 42.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
You're ready for that ?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
The problem is a lot of women get stuck with a lot of
bumper stickers and like thislike whole maturity thing.
A lot of bumper stickers andand like this like whole
maturity thing.
It's like now it's been justbecause everybody thinks that
that's a thing.
Now everybody assumes thatthey're a lot mature than the,
the mature than the men thatthey date, and that's just not

(44:53):
true yeah, I totally agree theamount of women that I have seen
who are just, who lack maturityand wisdom, and just even to
the ability to, to, tounderstand.
It is just crazy to me, and andso, and the same thing goes with
men, though, but I think whatends up happening is that people

(45:14):
just think that they'llautomatically will become more
mature as as they age, and it'sjust.
That's just not the case yeah,I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Yeah, but then you're kind of proving my point.
That means that someone at 19is probably not really that
mature either, right?
but that's not, that's notreally like proving the point
that some people are very matureat 19 I just think that's
incredibly generalized you wouldhave to go through some like
extreme life experiences fromlike a young age to reach a

(45:44):
certain level of maturity at 18or 19.
So yeah, but people who havehad like an easy kickback life,
you know, who haven't likechallenged themselves, I would
say they don't have much tooffer by 19 I also don't think
that's true well then we canagree to disagree.
Well, I, I mean, it just isn't.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Because just because you experience a lot of hardship
doesn't mean that you'll end upa wise and smart and
intelligent person.
You could also end up brokenand not know what to do, because
you just made a lot of mistakesand you never learned from your
experiences.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
It takes me back to shouldn't be dating here's,
here's okay the the reason thatI have my 23 to 26 is I do
typically find it hard toconnect with girls who are still
like in college, because whenyou're in college it's like your
mom's paying for your school.
You've never had to have a job,you haven't had to like

(46:49):
experience life.
So typically there's likesomething missing typically from
girls, personalities thatunderstand like like oh shit,
like what is taxes?
Like I don't just give them tomy mom, I have to like figure
this shit out.
And because of that, typicallyit's harder to connect with
people.
That being said, I do connectwith some girls for that age.

(47:10):
Now, the problem when girls likeone girl was saying Zach,
you're 33, you should date girlsyou know 31, 32.
It's extremely hard to findgirls who are 31 or 32 and
single, who aren't to someextent jaded and or entitled

(47:30):
Like.
I'm just saying like don't getme wrong, there's probably girls
out there that are.
But it's like if I take like agirl who's like 21 and I take
her to like catch, she's likepumped, she's like, oh, my God,
my god, we're at catch, she'sexcited, makes me feel good, it
makes me feel masculine, makesme feel like I'm providing for
her.
But if you're going to take herold 31.
You take her to catch, she'sgoing to be like, of course,

(47:53):
another Tuesday I'm at catchagain.
And if you take her to likeChick-fil-a, the 21 chick I love
the chicken sandwiches, thefucking mac and cheese, but the
30 when you take her toChick-fil-A she's going to post
in her group chat oh my God,this guy is such a poor person.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, that depends on the girls For sure I agree.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I love Chick-fil-A.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I would not strick on that Taco Bell yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I think that I that I agree with you.
Like they're, they're campingpeople that are jaded.
But I think what you express ismore like easily impressed and
I think when you see often that,like older guys will like to
date younger girls becausethey're more easily impressed,
that's it, and that's differentthan being jaded totally, it is

(48:37):
both, but I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's actually probably more of the thing that
I enjoy about like if they'reyounger.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
But that means you need girls that enjoy the simple
things of life.
That's not an age thing.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
You're right.
It's just harder to find.
But it's kind of similar theother way around.
Then, if I date a girl who's 19, it's like maturity isn't an
age thing.
It's just hard to find maturegirls who are 19, 20 years old.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Maturity isn't an age thing.
It's just hard to find maturegirls who are 19, 20 years old,
and I mean there is some truthto the fact that the older
people get, the more traumatheoretically, they could
experience and therefore havetheir walls up and be more
judgmental based upon the thingsthat could trigger them

(49:25):
judgmental based upon the thingsthat could trigger them.
So it does become harder tofind people that that you could,
I.
I guess that would open up alot easier and, and you wouldn't
have to spend a lot of time tryto like, break down the walls
that they've put up.
And so you know, for mepersonally, like I it's just.
It makes it very unattractivefor me to have to like, play

(49:47):
those games and like, have tolike, even like.
When you talk about impressing,right, it's like the girl wants
to see so many different thingsbecause it's like a test for
them.
It's like I'm not here tofucking pass your test.
I'm trying to figure out whoyou are.
You're trying to figure out whoI am.
This is not a one-way street.
I'm not testing you.

(50:07):
Why the fuck are you testing me?

Speaker 4 (50:08):
I agree.
I think men, though, are likeprolific at testing women,
especially in la, but I thinkthat is like exhausting both
ways I think for the guys pointof view it's not as much testing
as in.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
we just know girls like games and so we're like
well got to play the gamebecause girls like them.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
That's crazy.
Girls like games that comeswith age Do you disagree.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I think that comes with age.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I don't know.
I think that comes with age,but I also know girls that are
older that still play games.
I feel like guys like games.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Do that still play games.
So I feel like guys like games.
You know the amount of womenwho've said don't be into me
right away, like, like the factthat that's unattractive, that a
guy would like you right awayand would want to do things for
you right away and be nice toyou right away.
They should.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
But I mean, don't be excessive about it.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Where it's like creepy and weird like, but see,
there is a fine line, and whodefines it?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
for you, like if you saw us and you knew we were
super into you.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
After one day you'd like it doesn't work no, I would
actually be happy, I would.
I would love that comes in acertain kind of way that would
make me feel like the fuckingman like dude one day this
girl's all over.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
That would boost my fragile, would you really
appreciate her though?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
yes, yes, appreciation has nothing to do I
love with somebody likingliking you it's my favorite
thing, yeah because I thinkgenerally women can appreciate
things that are given to themversus men less.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
I think men usually appreciate the things that you
know not like you have to work,like she should want to be
interested in you, don't bewrong.
Like she should be interested,but like men, appreciate the
things that they actually haveto, like put more effort into.
I think the nature of menwomen's a bit different and
women are just more easily ableto accept the things that they

(51:50):
receive, versus men are more theopposite what are you talking
about?
I think that when you just givethings freely to men, they
don't appreciate it like what asmuch?
well, sex is an obvious one,right?

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I yeah, that's, that's that's, that's just not
true.
That's, that's a made-up thingthat you guys came up with you
are.
You are a different kind ofbreed of man, then well, I am,
that is true, but I still Istill do have a perception of a
valid perception of how all theother men around me are, and
just in general right and so youknow this whole sex thing, that

(52:31):
like just because if you sleepwith somebody on the first day,
that somehow it it like all of asudden they won't take you
seriously and won't respect you.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
It's just not a thing I've kind of I've said that to
like my current boyfriend and hereally disagrees with me.
I think everyone's differentbut, um, and I've had this
conversation actually a lot andI've found that most men
disagree with you.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
But what did they say ?

Speaker 4 (52:57):
well men are gonna think well, she sleeps with me
on the first date.
She must sleep with a lot ofmen on the first date, which
means she's not special and noguy wants to be with a girl who
is not special or they thinkit's easy to get in there.
Let's be real.
You're from Iran.
You should know that.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I was having with somebody the other day about how
we are no longer the the in thehaving have the same culture
than our parents and theirgrandparents did, but somehow
everybody's trying to hold on tothe traditions of our parents
and our grandparents and that'sjust not realistic.
So this concept of like, likenow For me to have to expect A

(53:47):
girl to be either a virgin orhave a low body count, it's like
unrealistic.
If I wanted to, if I met a girlwho is, let's say, 30 years old
, my Automatic assumption wouldbe that she slept with like 10
plus people easily.
And so at what point am Isupposed to think to myself that

(54:10):
it's logical for me to to saythat like, oh okay, well, this
person is going to sleep with meon the first day and then now,
all of a sudden, she's just likeslept with everybody on the
first day.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Well, I appreciate that.
I agree with you, but I think alot of men don't.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Okay, I figured out this, cause I'm smarter than all
of you guys.
You're right in your diagnosisof the results, but not for the
reason of getting to the result.
So what happens is you, let'ssay, you make guys wait three,
four or five dates for sex,right?
What happens is all the guysthat are fuck boys, they go on

(54:51):
the first date and the secondday they're like oh, this is way
too much work.
I took her on two dates, Igotta fucking take her to
another date and you weed outthe fuck boys.
And then the guys who are likethe relationship guys.
They're like oh yeah, threedates I like this girl and
they'll wait around.
But the nice guy, if you sleptwith him on the first date,
would have still had therelationship with you but, so

(55:13):
it's more so.
You're weeding out the guysthat only want sex.
So it's not that it makes thenice guy like you more, it's
just you.
You find him out of the sea offuck boys, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Yeah, that's why women should do that, but you're
rolling the dice.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Here's the problem on an individual level.
On an individual level, I agreewith you, but the problem what
happened to society is girls.
I heard girls say this thingall the time oh, if I know he's
a fuck boy, I'll just sleep withhim on the first night because
I don't give a fuck about him,right?

Speaker 2 (55:47):
who said that.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
A lot of girls say that I have never done that
they're like oh, if I reallylike him, then like I want him
to make him wait, but if he's afuck boy, I'll sleep with him
right away.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Yeah, that's what a lot of girls say I know that
that's the thing for sure,because it's the same way that
men it's like.
I think women these days areadopting the same mindset as a
lot of men, where it's just like, yeah, I'll fuck you, but I'm
not actually interested in you.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
So I'll do that, but like I would, never take you
serious.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
You know it's the same thing as like what men do,
but if they actually want a guy,then they're like wait a little
bit, let me see what he's aboutbut.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
But the problem on a societal standpoint is what
happened is all of the nice guys, like a good, probably like 80
of them, are looking around andthey're like damn, that guy just
slept with her the first time,that guy slept with the first
time.
Well, wait, I have to wait tillthe third, fourth date.
They're like maybe I should bea fuck boy because then I get to
sleep with girls, right away, Idon't have to wait all the time

(56:46):
.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
You know, they always say like nice guys finish last,
I don't want to be the nice guy.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah, that's reasons like that fuck that shit dude I
ran track in college and if youget last place you're the loser.
I don't want to be the loser ofthe race, you know depends what
race you're trying to be in therace of life, yeah, well, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
I think even this, like nice guys finish last, like
nice girls finish last too,right, more than men, if you ask
me, from what I've seen fromhigh school to college to after
that, the girls that are moreslutty and guys think they can
get places with them.
They get further, they get moregifts, they get more trips,

(57:27):
they get more attention.
If that's what you care about,right, and then yeah, but that's
just hot privilege, thoughthere's the girls.
Well, I'm hot and yeah, but youhaven't decided to exercise it
so not not in a way that'sbeneath me, but um, like what is
this?

(57:47):
Nice guys, finish last.
Are you talking about sex?

Speaker 1 (57:50):
even relationships I think, everything, to be honest
with you do you know?

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I was telling I was talking, having a conversation
I've never met men that are likeracing to get married at the
finish line so it's like what isthis nice guy's?
Finished last shit.
I don't get it like girls.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I think it's fucking no, no but, here's what it also
is, okay, yeah here's.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Here's why think and but this is my argument kind of
at the beginning that it'sbetter to be a fuckboy first and
then be the nice guy.
Because whenever I hear girlstalk about like past
relationships and maybe you guysare different, I don't know
They'll be like, oh yeah, thisone ex I had, he was the best
guy, so sweet, so nice, alwaysgot me flowers I'm like, oh,

(58:31):
what happened to him?
And it's always yeah, I justcouldn't do it anymore, I just
fell out of love, we lostconnection, whatever.
Whenever I hear girls talkabout their fuck boy ex, they're
like still mad at him.
And I can tell that, by the way, they're talking that they're
still in love with him and thathe broke her heart.
And, granted, maybe it's becausehe cheated or something, but he
had the option of being like oh, like, let me stay with this

(58:54):
girl forever.
And then he made the decisionto either break up with her or
to cheat on her or to fuckaround or whatever, but but he
still.
It wasn't like, the girl waslike breaking up with him, he
was breaking up with a girl.
So then from a guy'sperspective, it's like okay,
even if I want to find my wife,I want to be the position of
like she's in love with me andthen I'll just be a good guy and

(59:16):
not like fuck around, not cheatand then I'm good, versus like
oh, let me like be the nice guyand then hope she doesn't fall
out of love with me right.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
You see what I'm saying.
I get it yeah.
Yeah, that sounds probably morecommon as a situation with a
nice guy losing just becauseinterest is lost, but that's
what I feel like.
That happens when you're datingyoung and you're dating a nice
guy young if you're dating anolder guy and it's like that
situation.
I don't think you would endthat way personally.
I don't know maybe.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
How many nice guys did you reject?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
reject, reject.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Have you.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
A lot.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Maybe, a lot.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I don't know, I don't have the chance to know them.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Because you didn't give them a chance to know them.
Everyone seems nice at facevalue.
Yeah, everyone seems nice.
Well, yeah, majority you don'treally.
But.
I don't what, I don't, I don'twhat you don't really seem nice,
but most people seem nice Iused to be, but this is this is
where this argument came in from.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
It's like I I used to be extremely nice, I used to be
extremely giving and justconstantly putting the other
person first and opening thedoor and like doing all these
nice things and what'd she do?
a rejection, constant rejection.
I was telling somebody theother day I was talking to him
about this today too I my early20s to my mid-20s I was

(01:00:39):
extremely kind because I I grewup with a mother who constantly
was telling me that like, oh,like, you need to do this, you
need to do this, you need to dothis, you need to do all this
stuff.
Be this person, be this guy, berespectful, do all this shit.
And I was like, well, my motherknows what she's talking about.
Let me do all these things.
I don't.

(01:00:59):
It's insane the amount ofrejections I went through Up
until I completely changed andbecame an asshole, and then the
results I mean spoke forthemselves at that point yeah, I
think you attract damaged womenlike that, but I'm sure it
works not particularly yeah, Ithink so.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I think any woman who feels like she needs to like
earn the attention of a man whodoesn't like treat her well is
damaged but if that?
Were true she's compensatingfor something she her dad didn't
love her enough.
She got used to like.
The idea of like love issomething where you have to

(01:01:42):
chase it and like that's thetype of girl you're gonna
attract but if that were true,then I would have attracted the
exact opposite when I was nice.
I think there's like a fine line, like she said, like girls
don't want to date a guy, whereit seems like they just like
roll out the red carpet foranyone, right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
But then that's what we're talking about.
No, I mean, if being nice isnot good enough because you
don't want it then the oppositewould have to be true.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Well, I just think you want a guy where he just
doesn't roll out the red carpetfor everyone.
You want a guy where, like it'sspecial, it's different that
starts off as the fuck boy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And then you realize for you he's the nice guy, right
.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
I just think that's a terrible start I did like a
prophecy right now.
I said at the beginning of thepodcast and it came true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
But we'll never forget that, that you were a
fuckboy and you did the thingsthat you did in the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
That's a hard but it's more the fuckboy attitude,
not necessarily that you'rehooking up with a lot of girls,
but just the attitude of beingwhat is this attitude?
Being polarizing, being I don'tgive a fuck, being very I don't
know how to explain it you knowwhat I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
If you so nice guy attitude, that's fine.
I don't even consider you afuck boy after that yeah, it's
not really a fuck boy, no fuckboy is your fucking bitches all
the time and you're.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
You don't treat them well talk down all that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
And, by the way, I wish I could be a good little
say are you trying to tell usthat you are a fuck boy?

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I used to be I'm a fuck boy I wish I could just run
around with my sim friendsfucking riding our bird scooters
around town and girls just loveme and they want it.
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I don't know they don't like me when I'm a sim.
That does happen, though, likewhen you're younger, like when
you were saying, when you'reyounger, you weren't getting the
girls.
You're the rejection stage.
You were really young, right Imean mid-20s, early 20s.
That's like that's probably theage that you're not really going
to meet the love of your life,or maybe you will late 20s.
But girls also don't know whatthey want at that age, and I

(01:03:31):
don't think guys do either.
It's like a lot of rejection, alot of dates, a lot of you know
practice and then now itdepends too late, they broke you
it depends where you live,though, because, like in
wisconsin, all the girls Iplayed volleyball with, they're
all like married or gettingmarried that's when they're my
age or younger.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Yeah, yeah, so it depends where you live there are
plenty of people that findtheir person young and they live
forever happily ever after.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
This is la.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
It's not that, not even close la is not for the
week, no for sure, I just knowlike any friend group that I've
been in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
It just seems like all the guys who are the nicest
get the least amount of pussyand the guys who are like the
most kind of like asshole, kindof like fuckboy attitude get the
most, and it's almost like aperfect linear relationship.
It's like a graph, like a math,one of those math things.
Like the graph.
It's like exact straight linebetween like how nice you are.

(01:04:32):
Like think all the nice guys inour friend group they just I
wish they did good with girls.
Like I feel bad for some ofthem.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Like you deserve a good girl, but like those same
girls can't get in arelationship with the guy they
actually want.
Maybe, no, they can't, theycan't, absolutely they can't.
And I don't know.
I mean I've dated guys wherethey were like spinning the
block before me and then theymet me and then they're like all

(01:05:02):
about me and it's just like Idon't know, but they still
weren't fuck boys, I don't know.
They still got girls, weren'tfuckboys I don't know.
They still got girls, but it'sjust like.
I think that I find joy inrejecting guys who are fuckboys,
like that's what makes themlike you.

(01:05:23):
They're used to getting whoeverthey want to.
They're used to getting it easy.
They're used to girls wantingto like earn their attention and
I'm like and then guess howmuch they care.
A lot.
They care a lot.
And so the girls look at me andthey're like what do you do to
get in relationships?
How do guys like you?
And it's like don't be the sameas all the other dumb bitches

(01:05:46):
that are all trying to get theattention from a guy who doesn't
care.
Care about you, don't careabout him and watch how it flips
and then watch that dynamicchange.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yeah, I agree all right, I'm gonna tell you guys
something you're not you're notgonna want to hear it, but it's
true, girls think.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
I think we're ready that you guys have because,
based on what you guys areattracted to, that you have this
master plan of like oh like,show interest, don't show
interest, text him back, don'ttext him back.
All these things.
The reality of what's going onin a guy's brain is he has, like
, maybe like four or five girlshe's kind of talking to and like
, maybe this will work out, andhe's just ranking them on how
hot they are and whichever one'sthe hottest he's gonna go for

(01:06:30):
that.
It is number one.
If that's not working or she'snot texting him back, then he's
gonna go for his number two andhe's just.
It's just about being hot yeahlike not for me.
I'm very shy and romantic, so Icare about like intelligence and
romantic and all that stuff.
But all the other guys in la,that's how it works you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Well, yeah, this is a , they're just, but no, they're
not really for a relationship,they're not looking for that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
So of course, that's what you're gonna look for right
now, or whatever, not sayingyou specifically yeah, yeah of
course, that's how it's gonna goyeah, but even for a
relationship like yes,definitely personality matters
more, I agree, but still like.
Looks is still like it's numberone for guys like I would never
date oprah and like she's themost successful like woman on
the planet right none of myfriends would date oprah and

(01:07:11):
she's so incredible and all thisstuff, but there's just like
for guys, that's just thisbiological, like you have to
have the looks.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
You know how do you feel about women that only want
to date men I'm not saying whoare rich?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
but they're established yeah, I got a
conversation with my mom, anargument with her, actually the
other day your mom yeah, soshe's like zach.
She's from wisconsin, right,very conservative.
She's like zach, you're alwaysdating these models, actresses,
down in la.
Why don't you care aboutpersonality more, right?
And so I asked her.
I'm like, okay, mom, are therebeautiful girls with good

(01:07:45):
personalities?
Well, yeah, of course okay.
So if I have the choice abeautiful girl with good
personalities Well, yeah, ofcourse Okay.
So if I have the choice abeautiful girl with a great
personality or ugly girl with agreat personality like, of
course, I want both beauty andpersonality and I think it
should like girls should do thesame thing.
There's rich guys with greatpersonalities and there's like
broke dudes with goodpersonalities.
It's like, okay, do you want tofly middle seat on Spirit the

(01:08:05):
rest of your life?
You know, you want to flymiddle seat on Spirit the rest
of your life.
You want to hop in the HondaCorolla Off to Applebee's I got
the coupon book, babe.
Okay, you could.
Maybe you love his personality,but there's another guy with
that personality and you'regoing to catch steak.
You know what I mean.
So why wouldn't you want boththings in a guy?

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Well, I like that.
You're consistent.
I am very Because men they wantto date girls that are pretty
and then they get mad when girlswant to date men who have money
.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
It's like it's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
No, you're a hypocrite if you don't see that,
it's the same thing yeah, we'reall superficial, just in
different ways yeah, it isbiological.
Women are the ones that carrythe baby studies show.
Like once women have babies,like it, it puts you down in
poverty.
And like, why would you want torisk?

(01:08:57):
Like I can't even be turned onduring sex if I know that there
is a risk I get pregnant.
My life is gonna fucking shootbe a shit show like.
That's not sexy.
It's not sexy.
It doesn't get me going.
It's the risk reward.
No, sex is good enough for meto ruin my life and that's just

(01:09:18):
me yeah, no, I'm actually thesame and I know that plenty of
the guys I date wouldn't be hereif I didn't look the way I did
and take care of my body and myhealth and my mind and all the
other great stuff.
But so got to keep itconsistent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
It's.
It's bizarre to me when peoplesay that the only thing that
should matter is this mysticalconnection that you have with
the person Right, and I'm like,okay, like that's part of the
equation.
But I'm like let me ask youthis how many of your
girlfriends have broken up witha guy and you say, oh, why did
you break up?
And they go oh, he lost all hismoney.

(01:09:54):
I've never heard that in my liferight but I heard all the time
we lost the connection or wefell out of love or something
like that.
So I'm like people act likeconnection is so stable and
solid, like money is like feebleand blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, nah, money is thestable thing.
Like just put that shit in afucking, in 401k or something
that's gonna be forever.
Like connection comes and itgoes and you know it's like the

(01:10:16):
birds floating in the wind yeah,okay I should be a philosopher
or something you're doing prettygood.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
I have great ideas a stoic, I'm a fellow stoic as
well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Let's go final question is the green bubble, a
red flag?

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
what's a green bubble ?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
like a go like android phone android phone
that's a no go that's not mydeal breaker, though one of you
guys have that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Whoever I'm texting, I read that that I was like oh
my god, were you like, is this ascam or no phone from the
government?
What I was just like, but I?

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
there's a lot of people with like extra phones,
so I'm like all right, you'reprobably one of those.
It's la, everyone has a second,third, tenth phone, so it's
normal no, he has only android.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Yeah, no iphone, no iphone I think that someone that
doesn't just like follow thehype or the trends, that's green
flag to me.
It's only fucking annoying ingroup chats, but outside of that
and video quality and my videoquality is a lot better than
yours actually honest, it's toogood.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
It captures too much posted something on his
instagram for your birthday.
And then I posted it next toeach other, and mine is a lot
better.
I've never seen your messageit's good actually samsung's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Nowadays they actually cost more than iphones,
and they have their qualities.
It's good I'll never.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
I just can't I'm happier learning little by
little we're still tied.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It's one to one.
I can't do android, I'm thesame way I just don't know how
to use it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
That's my own fault, like if I knew how to use like
an iphone, maybe I would be teamandroid, but that's my downfall
it is well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Iphone is for simple people, so you're kind of no,
it's for people who have.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I just want simple things done.
If, if I want to go on my phoneand text simple, I want two
seconds done.
I don't want to like I tried.
It took me a minute.
I felt like a grandma, Like Iwas not in the times.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
That's what it felt like.
Yeah, it's because we're in thefuture and you guys are the
grandmas, the Android usersright here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
They're not the highest IQ people this is future
, this is back.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
No, this is north.
Run that camera back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
This is south.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
But you know what a lot of Android.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
What a lot of yeah that is gaslighting.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I'm just saying it is gaslighting, it is it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
He's like gaslighting gets me bitch.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
Well, the thing with Android people is they're like
we with android people isthey're like we could do way
more things on android.
We got all these things andit's like we don't even know how
to do all the things on theiphone why would we want more?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
there's updates every day.
We don't even know what theyare that's true.
There's a lot of things wecan't even handle.
No, they're for simple thingsand that's it.
That's it that's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Well, thanks for coming on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
I really appreciate it thanks for having you guys
have been absolutely amazing.
This is funny.
You're a hoot, you're reallyfunny, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Well, join me on my podcast in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
There you go.
Thanks for watching.
We'll see you later.

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