December 10, 2025 • 57 mins
Join us for another episode of Uncanny Book Club and explore one of the most influential storytelling sagas in comic book history.
Episode 18 dives into issues 141 and 142 to cover the Days of Future Past arc. We get to witness a dystopian future that is the result of the assassination of Senator Kelly, Professor X, and Moira. Future Kitty's mind goes back in time to her younger body to prevent her timeline, Mystique and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants v2 makes their appearance, and we get to see plenty of action in both the present and future.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:09):
Hello and welcome to Uncanny Book Club.
I'm Isaac Vader Steel andjoining me as always is my
co-host Adam Ward.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Yo.
SPEAKER_04 (00:19):
Still haven't watched Dark Food.
However, I do believe you'vewatched a different movie.
SPEAKER_02 (00:27):
Yeah, I mean, in preparation of this, I felt it
was only fair to give myselfsome homework and watch Days of
Future Past.
The Fox movie.
The Fox movie.
Gotta be clear there.
So overall.
Good movie?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Bad movie?
SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
What do you think?
It is not the movie I remember.
And I think that's largelybecause being removed from the
original X-Men series at thatpoint in time, this was like a
big shot of nostalgia to see thecharacters back after kind of
going through first class.
(01:02):
And I like what they really didwith the recasted characters,
like I think James McAvoy and uhFastbender did a really good job
as Magneto and Xavier.
Where I think the ball gotdropped was with Mystique.
And she does to my and and to beclear, I watched the movie
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before reading these two issues.
So I went in to reading the bookwith really my core memory
knowledge on this being whathappened in the film.
And so in that context, I wasactually surprised to see
Mystique had like this huge rolein the comic story.
(01:49):
I was not expecting that,honestly.
Sure.
That being said, I think therewere fun things about the film,
but it really felt like it wasthe Fox version of this story
rather than like a true to formsort of uh retelling of it as we
have now read it.
(02:09):
Sure.
I think that's fair.
SPEAKER_04 (02:11):
Kind of their own little twist on it.
SPEAKER_02 (02:13):
Yeah, I liked uh like I like the setting.
I think the setting was reallyfun with it being like with
Nixon and Vietnam.
I think those period piecesreally bring a lot of character
and change to to these kinds ofstories.
So like that was fun, but youknow, I I think like I had no
idea that Xavier's assassinationhappens in this book or like
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attempted assassination, right?
Like that event was part of thiscore chain reaction that took
place that resulted in this daysof future past dystopian 2013.
So that was all fresh to me.
And I think for the better,we'll obviously get into it, but
what's your general thought onon the film?
SPEAKER_04 (03:00):
I think overall positive, it's better than a lot
of the other X-Men movies.
I'm not super hot on firstclass.
Oh, okay as we've uh it's justokay.
Like there's there's some goodelements of it, but we've
discussed before that like youknow, Emma's awesome, and the
(03:22):
Emma Frost that we get in thatmovie is just really yeah,
underwhelming and sad.
SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
Yeah, truly disappointing.
I mean, even compared to herfirst showing in the comics,
like that she was never likethat in the book.
SPEAKER_04 (03:39):
Yeah, just no good.
But I mean, overall, I mean,that's a movie that I haven't
watched in a long, long time atthis point.
I think, you know, there's somedefinite positives to it.
But overall, I think the Days ofFuture Pass movie is pretty
good.
And, you know, considering theyare sort of written into what
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they've already done up to thatpoint with the movie, I felt
they did a good job of adaptingthe story to, you know, it's
altered, but yeah, a lot of thesame like beats are there, some
things carry over.
They made some smart changeshere and there.
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Obviously, they can't do SenatorKelly again because that's the
first X-Men movie.
Although they don't really haveto pay attention to that.
And then, of course, the bestpart of the movie is that it
undoes the third X-Men movie.
Like that's its true claim tofame for me.
Yeah, and that third film isrough.
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Issue 141 has one of the moststriking covers we've seen yet:
an old grizzled Wolverinestanding in front of an older
Kitty Pride with posters behindthem that show the X-Men as all
slain or apprehended.
The 21st century is a grim,dystopian world, and we see
Kitty navigate New York City tomake a delivery.
(05:02):
A gang tries to stop her, butWolverine shows up and takes
care of them.
He also provides her with thelast component she needs to
complete the jammer, and theyplan to meet up again for phase
two of their plan at midnight.
We see Kitty arrive at the SouthBronx Mutant Internment Center,
walking past a sentinel whointerrogates her, and finally
(05:25):
walking past a large cemetery ofmutants and mutant allies.
We see that the Fantastic Four,Professor X, Nightcrawler,
Cyclops, Warren, and Beast,among others, are all dead.
Kitty reconvenes with all thatremains of the X-Men, Storm,
Colossus, Franklin Richards, andRachel, a red-headed telepath
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and telekinetic, and awheelchair-bound Magneto.
We learn that Kitty and Peterare married in this future, and
that they had children who weretragically killed by Sentinels.
The jammer is completed, andthis allows the X-Men to once
again use their powers byturning off the inhibitor
collars.
(06:09):
Rachel enacts their plan andsends Kitty's mind from the
future back to her past self.
We then cut back to the presentduring a danger room session
where Kitty has walked in whenshe's not supposed to, and the
X-Men are all busy training.
She's in a pretty good amount ofdanger, but the team works
together to keep her safe.
(06:29):
She then has her own session ata much lower difficulty level
and essentially just walksthrough the whole thing with her
eyes closed, much to theamusement of the rest of the
X-Men.
However, she suddenly collapsesand they rush her to the
infirmary.
Future Kitty wakes up and hugsKurt, who present Kitty is very
scared of, and warns the X-Menthat she's on a mission from the
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future to stop the assassinationof presidential candidate Robert
Kelly, Charles Xavier, and MoiraMcTaggart, which occurs on this
very day.
She explains that Kelly'sassassination sets in motion a
sequence of events thatculminates in the nuclear
destruction of the whole world.
The team believes her but wantsProfessor X to verify her story.
(07:14):
They all head to DC, whereCharles and Moira are in a
hearing with Senator Kelly asmutant experts.
Kitty further explains that theSentinels eventually wipe out
not only mutants, but all superbeings, both heroes and
villains.
We cut back to the future hereand see the X-Men running
through the old subway tunnelstrying to escape, mentioning
(07:36):
that Magneto stayed behind tobuy them more time.
The tunnels are ripped opensuddenly, and Franklin is
disintegrated instantly by asentinel.
Feels bad.
Yeah.
The X-Men do battle and are ableto defeat their attackers.
Back in the present, we areintroduced to Mystique, Raven
Darkholm, a metamorph mutant whohas assembled the Brotherhood of
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Evil Mutants, Destiny,Avalanche, Pyro, and the Blob.
The X-Men arrive to the hearingjust in time to see the
Brotherhood bust through a walllike the Kool-Aid Man.
And the issue ends with the twogroups facing off.
SPEAKER_02 (08:15):
I was just looking up when Mystique's first
appearance was, and it was notin the X-Men.
SPEAKER_01 (08:23):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (08:24):
Yeah.
I thought this would have beenit.
SPEAKER_04 (08:27):
Maybe this was the first use of her in X-Men?
I would assume so.
What was her first officialcomics appearance?
SPEAKER_02 (08:37):
Her first official appearance was in Miss Marvel
number 16 in May 1978.
But was created by Chris.
That's interesting.
David Collins.
SPEAKER_04 (08:51):
That's like uh a couple years before this, huh?
I think so.
Hmm.
I don't know.
That's very strange to me, butthat is a fun trivia fact.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
And one I did not know until I looked this up just
now.
Very awesome.
The more you know.
Speaking of facts, I thought itwould be fun to start with uh
this picture that we see wherethe X-Men are in what year do
you remember what year we're in?
Is it 2013?
2013, yeah.
In 2013, I have some fun factsabout the year of 2013 so we can
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see how it compares to theX-Men.
I'm ready for it.
All right.
You remember Edward Snowden?
Yes.
He leaks the NSA documents.
We have the Boston Marathonbombing, we have uh chemical
attack in Syria and non-terriblenews.
3D printing became popular, thePS4 and the Xbox One release.
(09:48):
Frozen becomes a major moviehit.
I saw it in theaters.
I did not, but my son loves itnow, so I'm uh I'm very well
aware of it.
Breaking bad ended.
Everybody was doing the HarlemShake, and I I I didn't.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:08):
I'm still not even sure what it is, to be honest.
SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
And uh Vine was popular.
SPEAKER_04 (10:14):
R.A.P.
SPEAKER_02 (10:15):
Vine.
Yeah, Rip Vine.
Um, and Gugnum Style was uh alsoall over the place.
I do know that one.
That was technically 2012 whenthat came out, but it was
staying power.
Oh yeah.
Another, another popular song inthe house.
Well, there you go.
Some fun facts, not nearly asdark and uh broody and gloomy as
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this unfortunate.
SPEAKER_04 (10:39):
Well, the first part of your list was pretty dark and
gloomy.
Things picked up mood-wise alittle bit toward the end, but
yeah, I think this is a reallyawesome premise, and I love that
we sort of just jumped into thisstory kind of out of nowhere.
Yeah.
This must have just felt soshocking and cool when it first
(11:02):
released.
Like you jump from what was thelast stuff?
Were we doing Canada with theWendigo?
Yeah, I think so.
So to go from that to this ispretty different.
SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
Yeah, it's super fun.
There was a lot that I likedbeyond just the premise itself.
Even what was happening in themodern day of the X-Men was
incredibly interesting.
This um new Brotherhood ofMutants, we have Mystique, we
have the Blob, we see whathappened to him after he got out
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of jail and that Mystique wasbehind it.
We have Destiny that's here, andsome really cool appearances by
both Pyro and Avalanche.
SPEAKER_04 (11:45):
I was not super knowledgeable about what
Avalanche did before this.
I knew his name.
Yeah, I was the same.
And I for some reason, like Ialways just confuse like his
powers with Richter.
Okay, yeah.
I can see that.
They kinda, you know, it seemssimilar.
Avalanche, earthquakes.
(12:06):
Like in my head, it's just like,oh, he does like earth tremory
stuff, but it's not really howit's described.
No, no, no.
I I don't think he does that atall.
That's just like how it was inmy head.
And maybe, you know, I have noidea where that's coming from,
but the name really interestingpower.
SPEAKER_02 (12:22):
It is an interesting power.
I think it's technicallyclassified as him like
dissolving any uh any material,I think.
SPEAKER_04 (12:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
Is it, you know, is it just likebreaking apart like all the blob
molecular structure or basicallyjust disintegrates everything?
SPEAKER_02 (12:41):
It I'm guessing that might be what it is.
We do see him grab onto a metaluh piece of art or a bar or
something that uh blob was gonnasmack Pyro with, I believe.
And Avalanche stepped in andyeah, like just disintegrated
it.
Very cool.
I think the premise of havinglike an evil mutant team, which
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obviously isn't new to the X-Menat this point, however, we
haven't seen this in a longtime.
So to get this back in the fold,I think is I think it's great.
I think it's you're you kind ofhad enough separation that this
feels fresh, and thenintertwining it with this uh
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story of this ripple throughtime and the consequences of the
actions of this day and seeingthose play out in the future is
also really awesome.
The future stuff is very good.
It it's also awesome to showcaseKitty in this way, to make her
this important character thathas, you know, as we're kind of
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seeing, their plans are for thisto be a major character into the
future.
And so they're laying thatgroundwork now that Kitty is
gonna be around for a long timeand she's an important member of
the X-Men.
Here we are solidifying it atthis point.
And just great to see a versionof Kitty, even though we haven't
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really seen a whole lot of her,and certainly not in an action
capacity.
To see her just being involvedin this story was really great.
And I say that as somebodyobviously who likes Kitty Pride.
So I am inherently biased andI'm uh not ashamed of it, as you
shouldn't be.
SPEAKER_04 (14:27):
I think that they did a really good job of
justifying why she's there justin like the story format where
she's like, you know, I waschosen for this mission because
at this time Kitty's the onlyperson that hasn't been trained
against a psychic attack.
So they're able to send her backessentially.
SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
Yeah, I really did like that as well.
I mean, comparing it to thefilm, very different, right?
Instead of Kitty.
Very different.
Instead of Kitty, uh, she kindof plays the role of Rachel in
the film, which is unfortunatebecause I do feel we probably
could have had a introduction ofRachel without the context that
was really required, instead ofhaving Kitty just suddenly be
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using powers that she never hadbefore.
SPEAKER_04 (15:15):
I'm wondering if they chose to use Kitty there
just to have that like homage tothe comics of like, yes, we
understand that Kitty was thecentral piece of that story.
You know, we're not gonna dothat.
It doesn't really work for whatthey what they're able to do
with this whole like you knowtime difference thing and them
(15:37):
setting up Wolverine as theX-Man, but still finding a way
to involve her, yeah, it doesn'treally make that much sense.
SPEAKER_02 (15:45):
I think you're 100% right.
Ultimately, it just doesn't makesense.
It would make sense perhaps ifthey had the whole Robert Kelly
situation happening when Kittywas a character.
I think that would have helped alot.
Because then even though itwasn't set at any one point in
time, you still could have donea um story.
(16:08):
But I, you know, I alsounderstand that they want to use
the characters from theoriginal, or sorry, not the
original, the like these newerrecastings and use them.
And that's what we essentiallygot.
Anywho, this is all fine.
Uh the only other thing I wantedto point out that was a major
difference, obviously, incharacter changes, is Wolverine
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being the chosen mutant to dothis time leap back in time,
which I actually will give themcredit for.
I do we do get a bit of anexplanation as to why that is
the case.
And it's kind of in the samevein, although very two
different things, where uh, youknow, as you said, Kenny has not
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received that training toprevent a psychic attack yet.
In the film, we have Wolverine,who just is overall the best
healer on the team, and he canwithstand the just overall
damage that this sort of uh tripinto the past would cause.
(17:10):
It's explained well why they gowith Logan.
I I think, like I said at thestart, I think in the context of
this being a reimagining withinthe Fox specific X-Men film
universe, like it makes sense.
But at the same time, I feellike we've been robbed of seeing
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this story play out on screenbecause there's certainly enough
things happening to make thattransition from paper to film
incredibly interesting.
And we see that with theBrotherhood of Mutants, that
could be a major, you know, uhantagonist organization for the
X-Men, while also, you know,making Kitty the character she
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needs to be here, because wealso see a lot of great
interactions between othercharacters like Logan and Storm.
Uh, we get fun interactionsbetween the Brotherhood of
Mutants, and we really, youknow, continue to not have
Xavier looming over the X-Men,and they're really able to kind
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of stand on their team and makethis judgment call to trust that
Kitty's telling the truth.
And, you know, yes, they'regoing to Xavier to verify it,
but they are taking action andmaking that decision themselves.
SPEAKER_04 (18:28):
Real quick, you made a little bit of a noise or a
comment when I said thatFranklin Richards was
disintegrated by the Sentinel.
This must be like the mostunderwhelming use of Franklin
Richards that they've done.
And I'm guessing, yeah, I don'tknow what they've done with that
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character at this point withinlike the Fantastic Four comics,
or like how much of him has beenestablished that he's like an
extremely powerful mutant.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Or even it's uh do you know if he was actually
known to be a mutant at thispoint, or is that like a modern
day?
SPEAKER_04 (19:06):
He probably isn't.
SPEAKER_02 (19:08):
Yeah, I think you're right.
But he could be.
Um, yeah, I really actuallyliked um, you know, I was
thinking about this.
I really like the inclusion ofthe Fantastic Four, just in
general in this story.
There's a lot of imageryinvolved of the Fantastic Four.
We see headstones with theirnames on it.
Obviously, Franklin's involved.
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And um in the next issue, we'llsee them actually go to the
Baxter building, which is thehome of the Fantastic Four.
What I did find funny though isone of the headstones I believe
says Doctor Doom.
Bruh, man.
I'm sorry, but no sentinelstaking out Doom.
SPEAKER_04 (19:46):
Well, a bunch of Sentinels.
I no man, come on.
They've got a lot of them.
Uh it doesn't matter.
He is specifically crossed outto like they when they're
explaining, like, oh, theSentinels, they came for the
heroes and the villains.
Yeah.
By the turn of the century,everyone was gone.
He's one of the characters thatthey show as having a little X
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over them.
There's no way, man.
I'm sorry.
Well, these are pretty advancedsentinels.
Like, they're disintegratingpeople left and right.
They seem pretty like asignificantly more powerful than
the Sentinels that have beenfeatured in these stories so
far.
SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
Yeah, you are correct.
I think it would have been niceto actually get a redesign or
some sort of um like I'm I'msure they just, you know, you
were telling me Chris wasn'treally interested in doing a
sentinel story, right?
Like that's what you had said tome before we started.
SPEAKER_04 (20:41):
Yeah, we briefly discussed before recording how
these these two issues wasplotted by John Byrne, and a
thing that I had read onWikipedia said something about
Chris not being interested in asentinel story.
SPEAKER_02 (20:58):
Yeah, and uh also as we talked about, we should have
just saved it for thisconversation, but that's fine.
We're talking about it again.
SPEAKER_04 (21:05):
We should just stop talking before we uh start the
podcast, probably.
SPEAKER_02 (21:09):
No man, it's the warm-up.
We gotta talk about something.
It can't just be, hey, how areyou?
How's your family?
I mean, I guess it could bethat, but anyways.
SPEAKER_01 (21:19):
Who has the time?
Who has the time?
Too many comics to read.
Sorry, what were we talkingabout?
Who knows?
I lost myself.
SPEAKER_04 (21:28):
Franklin Richards.
Franklin Richards.
Dead instantly.
R.I.P.
Yeah, right.
Also in this book, the romancepartner of Rachel.
Yeah, I'm not sure what we wouldhave known about him at this
point.
Probably not much.
We don't even see any powersfrom him in this story.
Yeah, weirdly introduced.
Yeah, he he gets dusted realbad.
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Kinda just exists to make Rachelhave a worse day.
I can't.
And we'll cover it later.
But this is like this isdefinitely like Rachel's like
worst day of her life, I wouldassume.
Yeah, I think so.
This was another instance where,and I've mentioned this before,
but it feels like they packed animpossible amount of story into
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just this one issue.
Yeah, I agree.
There's a lot happening, but itdoesn't feel overwhelming.
No.
It's just it's just flows reallygood.
Like every panel has purpose.
It feels like a double issue ina good way, but it's, you know,
it's that I think it's 22 pageslong now.
(22:34):
Sorry, is this a double issue?
No.
It okay.
SPEAKER_02 (22:37):
That it did feel like there was a lot happening.
SPEAKER_04 (22:40):
It took a while to describe the whole like to do
the plot summary just becauseit's like, oh man, there's like
a lot of context and importantthings that actually need to be
brought up and can't be quicklysummarized or glossed over too
much.
SPEAKER_02 (22:56):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I thought that the art team didKitty a little dirty, honestly,
in how she appears in thefuture.
She old.
She's not that old, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (23:09):
I don't well, yeah, but when you're living in that
sort of environment, you justage more dramatically.
SPEAKER_02 (23:15):
Well, I would uh agree with you in a real life
scenario, they don't need to dothat to her.
SPEAKER_04 (23:22):
It's fine, but I think they just really wanted
to, you know, make it understoodlike she old.
She does look pretty old though.
Is she her older self on thecover?
Yeah.
Because she doesn't look nearlyas bad there.
Well, it's gotta be a differentdifferent artist doing the
cover.
SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
No, I I realize that, but they could have picked
up this y fresh-looking kittyrather than grandma that we get.
Yeah.
Anyways, I really, really lovethis.
They're just getting bangerafter banger at this point.
SPEAKER_04 (23:54):
It's pretty crazy.
Like the streak that they're on.
That's a note I have for laterof like the insane streak that
they've been on recently.
The only other thing in my notesis I feel like so far, one
aspect that we've been missingfrom the story for a while is
that human versus mutant thing.
And previously, before this,it's been mostly shown by people
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like Lang, who, you know, iskind of a mustache twirling
racist villain image dude.
And I think this is just like amuch more, I guess, grounded
approach.
And like Kitty even mentionslike Kelly's a decent person,
but it's fear that's you knowdriving all this instead of like
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hate, as it was in like Lang'sstory.
It's also nice that we're justadding a it seems like we're
getting a lot of story elementsin here that are going to have a
greater impact than just likehere's a one or two like issue
storyline with like a villain.
Like we're seeing the governmentconsidering, like, you know,
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what do we do about the mutantproblem and setting up that
ongoing situation?
SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Yeah, I you know what, and I wasn't necessarily
expecting that at the end.
Like I and I'll save my broaderthoughts on uh like on the
ending.
Because it is significantlydifferent than what occurs in
the film.
Yeah, that's true.
Like significantly.
And honestly, I like it morebecause we we really get a
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fundamental setup for so manyfuture stories, and so many
doors are opened by paintingthis dystopian future.
It's it was a shocking issue,and I think it's shocking, uh,
you know, yes, incompared to forwhen this probably would have
come out, but it's shocking evennow reading this entire series
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the way we are.
It was no less shocking goinginto it having not really read
it before.
And when I say not really, I'venever read it prior to now.
I've never read anything ever.
What's reading?
So, what would you give thisissue?
SPEAKER_04 (26:15):
I don't know if I want to grade them separately.
SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Okay, yeah, I'm fine with that.
They're they're just so likeintertwined.
Yeah, it it is.
I mean, even on its own, it'sfantastic, but yeah.
Because I figured you would giveit something high regardless.
So it does.
I mean, yeah, I get it.
Yeah, we'll save it.
Okay, yeah.
All right, well let's uh let'smove on to the next issue
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because the train keeps rollingbecause there's a lot that takes
place.
SPEAKER_04 (26:43):
Issue 142 has the classic This Issue, Everyone
Dies, on the cover, featuredalongside an image of Wolverine
being blasted by a sentinel.
We see a fight break out betweenthe X-Men and their brotherhood
of evil mutants.
Angel flies off with Kitty insearch for Kelly, and Mystique
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uses her powers of disguise tofool both Moira and Charles and
knocks them out with gas.
The future X-Men are still onthe run and end up breaking into
the Baxter building, which isnow the primary base of the
Sentinels.
Back in the present, Storm feelssome doubts over her leadership
abilities due to the mess thatthey're all currently in.
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To get a bit more fighting room,she calls on Hurricane Winds and
forces them all outside.
The fight continues with thearmy also taking some shots with
their tanks, which unfortunatelyknock down Colossus instead of
the bad guys.
They also make the mistake oftrying a flamethrower against
Pyro, who just creates a bigflame monster.
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Mystique gets up to some moremischief by impersonating
Nightcrawler.
Wolverine brings out the claws,but Storm has them put them
away, and orders him not to usethem except for the most extreme
situations against deadly foes.
He reluctantly obeys.
The X-Men start fighting smart,using physics to move the blob,
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rain to put out the fire, thatkind of stuff.
Nightcrawler comes face to facewith Mystique and asks why they
have such similar eyes and skin.
She replies, Could it be, KurtWagner, that you are not so
unique as you once thought?
Nightcrawler is stunned that sheknows his name and asks who she
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is.
Mystique replies that he shouldask his mother about it.
Back to the Future, the X-Mentry for a fastball special, but
the Sentinel turns dramaticallyand disintegrates Wolverine,
with only his Adamanteanskeleton remaining.
Storm is the next of fall,sending the once gentle Colossus
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into a berserker's rage.
We see Rachel clutching Kittyand weeping at the loss of Storm
and her partner Franklin.
She wants to break contact withPeter's mind, but doesn't want
him to be alone when he dies.
Before she can even finish thethought, he is killed as well.
Rachel wonders what will happento Kitty if her body dies while
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she's in the past, and hopesthat if it does happen, that she
has a better life than the oneshe's already lived.
In the present, Kitty stopsDestiny from assassinating
Kelly.
It seems there's some weirdtemporal anomaly thing going on
that has a very negative effecton Destiny's mind and powers.
After he's been saved, Kittyfeels herself returning to the
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future, having completed hermission.
Mystique is the only member ofthe Brotherhood to escape
capture.
Dexman fly home and explain theday's events to Kitty.
Angel wonders if they've changedthe future, and Xavier says,
only time will tell.
The last page shows Kelly andShaw meeting with the president.
He's concerned by Kelly'srecommendations following the
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attempted assassination.
But the president agrees thatsomething needs to be done, but
that it must happen covertly.
They name the operation ProjectWide Awake and introduce Henry
Gyrik as the man who will leadthem.
He's given the responsibility ofworking with Shaw Industries to
design and construct a newseries of Sentinels.
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The issue concludes with Gyriksaying that the threat mutants
pose will be resolvedpermanently.
We get a teaser for the nextissue, Demon, with the words
When you're alone, Kitty Pride,no one can hear you scream.
Christmas edition.
That's true, Christmas edition.
It's a Christmas episode nexttime.
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I think it's gonna come out nearChristmas.
Let's do the math on this.
This is a fun coincidence.
This comes out on the 24th ofDecember.
SPEAKER_02 (30:55):
Oh shit.
Alright, well, we gotta playthat up at the end.
Anywho, a lot of detail inthere.
You did a you did a really goodjob uh capstoning the entire
summary of this issue.
Because there's a lot a lot ofmoving parts.
SPEAKER_04 (31:08):
It was a stressful time to try and capture
everything.
Glossed over some stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (31:13):
I I mean you got the majority of it all in there.
It's all I think it worked well.
SPEAKER_04 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean, like you there's there's like things
here and there that you gottaskip.
Like this might be the firsttime, possibly, that they
mention Wolverine has reallyfast healing.
Or did they do that last time?
No, it was this one.
They mentioned Wolverine havingfast healing.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Hmm.
SPEAKER_04 (31:35):
You could also talk about how for an older gal,
Destiny's costume sure does showoff a lot of leg.
It's a weird choice.
She does not look like an oldperson in costume.
SPEAKER_02 (31:48):
Uh no, not at all.
And you know, we talked aboutthe staying power of these two
issues and the characters andthe story and all of these
things that are gonna play outover the remainder of the course
of the X-Men in some way, shape,or form.
And it's really all tied back tothis issue.
It's really incredible to thinkabout.
SPEAKER_04 (32:07):
And connects back to Dark Phoenix saga where Shaw is
like, hey man, let's build abunch of Sentinels.
Yeah.
And now they're gonna throw somemoney at him to build some
sentinels.
Very fun.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
I thought this was the perfect ending to this
story.
We had a strong start with thisbig fight that happens between
the X-Men and the Brotherhood ofEvil Mutants, and it is not
short.
It is the majority of this issueand is important to the overall
uh story that's unfolding.
Like this is a high-stakesfight, and at times the X-Men
(32:45):
were doubting their capabilitiesof defeating them.
Um, because we see Storm tryingto prevent Logan from going too
hard, and uh for fear that ifthese politicians and
specifically Kelly are seeing anunhinged mutant would just be
too far away.
(33:06):
Yeah, a Canadian mutant, oh mygod, running rampant in the
wherever the Senate is.
So he had this.
Thank you.
So we had this great fight thatwas very action-heavy, it was
plotted exceptionally well, itwas very thought out.
I thought even a character likeBlob, which is inherently
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boring, at least to me, is in alot of ways at this point like
the juggernaut.
Like he's immovable.
We see Peter really struggleagainst him and eventually see
him triumph, which you know I'vebeen clamoring for issues or
like several episodes at thispoint about how Peter just
(33:49):
cannot catch a break andactually contribute in a super
meaningful way.
SPEAKER_04 (33:54):
Well, he uses his brain this time.
Yeah.
He makes uh He's like, We'regonna we're gonna physics this
bitch.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:02):
And uh and lifts him up, and it's it's great.
It's super funny uh seeingWolverine bend down and they
make a lever, basically.
Must hurt uh Wolverine's back,though.
SPEAKER_04 (34:14):
Well, he's got them adamant.
But they explained that becauseof the animantium, he's the only
one whose bones won't crack.
SPEAKER_02 (34:21):
But but as we see in the future, that doesn't matter.
No, they'll just disintegrateeverything else.
And uh that is that is one cleanskeleton.
Yeah, it was brutally beautiful.
SPEAKER_04 (34:34):
Yeah, it looked awesome.
SPEAKER_02 (34:36):
It is drawn pretty crazy, just just like enough,
you know?
SPEAKER_04 (34:40):
Just just the native without it being gory.
It's it was great.
They I think that describes likethis entire situation, really.
Like they show like just enoughof Wolverine.
They like Storm's death is notlike gross, like it's kind of
that I don't know what we callthis like a like a silhouette
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sort of situation where there'snot details, it's really just
like they've drawn the hand, theharpoon, and her just in like
all black against a whitebackground.
And then I think Peter's deathwas so well done where you know
it's not even hap, like it's nothappening on screen, you don't
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see it, you're just likeexperiencing it through Rachel,
who again is having the worstday of her life.
Yep.
That whole situation I think islike the I mean it's kind of a
bummer because they kill theX-Men, but I think it's like
really a highlight of the issuebecause like you have Wolverine,
(35:42):
he's sneaking up, they're doinga fastball special, he's gonna
assassinate one of thesentinels, and then it just
casually turns around andquickly one-shots him.
And it's like, oh, this is bad.
We're uh we're in a situationnow.
SPEAKER_02 (35:58):
Yeah.
I'm looking at the panel again,and it is fierce, is the the
word that comes to mind.
It just it sh it's just likesheer brutality.
Well done.
It's perfect.
SPEAKER_04 (36:12):
No notes.
That's one issue with doing themovie the way they did it, is
that they weren't able torecreate this scene, which has
gotta be, I mean, it's the coverof the issue, it's gotta be like
the most iconic imagery fromthis storyline, besides maybe
the image of Wolverine and Kittyin front of all the posters.
(36:34):
Like, I think those are, I mean,it's the two covers of the
issues, but those are like wheremy mind goes, I guess.
SPEAKER_02 (36:41):
Yeah, we do get a different iconic moment in the
film where Magneto pulls rebarbbasically through the body of
Logan and tosses him into like alike a fountain or something.
It's a bummer day for him.
And he's just there drowning,hoping that the actions that he
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did were enough to change thefuture, and they were.
Mission accomplished.
And mission accomplished.
The ending of the movie comparedto the ending of the of this
issue is significantlydifferent.
You know, as you said, we seeSenator Kelly and Shaw pulled
into a secretive meeting bysomebody who we it's it's the
president, right?
(37:26):
Like, is that what theimplication is?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (37:28):
Uh yeah, it's the president.
I was confused at first when Iwas going through and rewriting
like the plot summary.
I was like, who is the shadowyfigure?
And I was like, oh, it's thepresident.
They just put him in shadowbecause they didn't want to draw
the specific like whoever'spresident right now.
SPEAKER_02 (37:44):
And so we see this secretive meaning, the sentinels
are not gone.
It's just, you know, things arestill gonna jug along.
And in the film, we seeessentially the entire erasure
of X-Men 3, the film.
We've made everything goodagain.
SPEAKER_04 (38:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:02):
Here we go, everyone.
We did it.
Hooray! It's a very big tonaldifference.
Very much so.
Um to where I think likewatching the film in a bubble is
kind of confusing that it goesback to that moment in time,
that that's like Logan's.
SPEAKER_04 (38:21):
I think it's just very I think I think they just
want to make it like super fanservicey too, and be like, look,
it's all your all yourfavorites.
SPEAKER_02 (38:29):
Yeah, that that's a hundred percent what it was.
Hey, we're bringing back um youknow, all these original
characters so they can playthemselves in the future for you
know a very short period oftime.
SPEAKER_04 (38:40):
It's completely wild because they go on to make
sequels to Days of Future Passthat have a completely different
Scott and Gene in them.
Yeah, man, that's how Fox didfilms.
There's there's there's nomaking sense of their timeline.
I know it's just like kind oflike a funny thing to joke
(39:02):
about, but it's just like allover the place, crazy.
Who else is on that team?
SPEAKER_02 (39:08):
It's Scott, Gene, the OG movie team?
No, no, no, not the OG movieteam.
The sorry, the one that is likethe the uh age of or Age of
Apocalypse version or apocalypseteam.
Gene Storm, right?
SPEAKER_04 (39:24):
Isn't she one?
I think Storm is on TeamApocalypse at first.
Yeah, and then Defects.
Yeah.
So I think it's Mystique.
SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
Is Mystique on it too?
SPEAKER_04 (39:35):
I suppose we can look this up.
SPEAKER_02 (39:37):
Yeah, I mean I'm just curious.
SPEAKER_04 (39:40):
Olivia Munn uh is in the movie.
They have Scylar.
Oh, Angel.
I think.
We have Betsy Braddock, PeterMaximoff, Gene, Angel, Auroro,
Mystique, yeah, Warren, Havoc,Cyclops, Hank, and then a bunch
(40:02):
of random people's.
Ooh, Jubilee.
Oh yeah, Jubilee is in this.
Yeah, that's right.
I feel like they don't use herin Dark Phoenix much, do they?
SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
I don't know.
I didn't watch it.
SPEAKER_04 (40:17):
Caliban?
I don't remember Caliban beingoh, I fell asleep during this
movie, but I don't rememberCaliban being in it.
Clan Akaba leader.
Hmm.
Maybe I'll watch this onesometime.
SPEAKER_02 (40:30):
Yeah, I don't really remember much of it.
Oh yeah, Kurt's in it, that'sright.
Oh yeah.
Kurt, Angel, Jubilee, Gene,Scott.
SPEAKER_04 (40:40):
I feel like that's good casting for Warren.
Or at least the picture thatGoogle is associating with the
movie, I think, is uh looks verykind of Warren-y to me.
No, I think this is good.
SPEAKER_01 (40:53):
Did they do something different with the the
horseman?
Is it not or are they using likea past?
Like a flashback?
SPEAKER_02 (41:02):
I don't know.
God, it's been a long time sinceI watched this film and I only
watched it once and I didn'treally like it then.
And you're not gonna like itnow.
Ain't that the truth?
I think Moira is in this film.
She is.
So that's good.
Anyways, I was curious howDestiny would kind of fit into a
(41:23):
combat team.
There was a great sequence whereright off the start, when the
Brotherhood attack andAvalanche's, I believe it's
Avalanche, is doing his thing,and so Kurt responds by bamfing
around and is kind of likehitting him in multiple sides,
and we see Destiny call out, youknow, hit him on your left.
(41:46):
And we see that kind of playout.
And she does play a significantrole even towards the end of the
book, as she's the one who hascornered Senator Kelly and is on
the verge of killing him when wesee Kitty come forward, kind of
phase through her and reforminto her physical body and knock
(42:09):
this crossbow, which is a veryodd choice of weapon, but there
it is.
SPEAKER_04 (42:14):
Destiny's really old, so when you're old school,
you just uh maybe she's veryattached to the crossbow.
SPEAKER_02 (42:23):
As you do when you're a villain.
Just gotta have an obscureweapon of choice.
But overall, I really, reallylove this iteration of the
Brotherhood of Evil mutants.
We see Mystique promise at thevery end that they're gonna be
released from prison.
She's promising this, so youknow, we're setting up the
return of these mutants in thefuture to hopefully have a
(42:45):
little bit more staying power sothey're not just taken out right
away.
I thought this was an extremelystrong showing of Mystique.
We see this tease of Kurt andMystique being hit what's going
on there?
Are they related?
They look kind of the same.
What's happening?
SPEAKER_04 (43:02):
I think it's pretty clear that the implication is
they are related in some way.
100%.
But it will be interesting tosee, like, you know, when are
they gonna go down thatstoryline?
And like Kurt has nevermentioned his mother before, uh,
adoptive mother, as it were.
(43:22):
So it'll be interesting to see,like, you know, Colossus is
usually the one pining for hisfamily.
So are we gonna get a littletrip to Germany?
Gonna get some Kurt backstory.
You'll be interesting.
We've brought her up a fewtimes.
I think that these two issuesjust do such a great job of
(43:42):
showing why Mystique is just anightmare to deal with.
Yeah.
She's very slippery.
She's the only one from thegroup that is able to escape
when everyone else is captured.
She is just like causing havoceverywhere.
And I think they use her powersjust so smart over these two
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issues.
SPEAKER_02 (44:04):
I agree a hundred percent.
You know, it was really funseeing like this classic who is
who?
Is this the real Nightcrawler?
No, I'm the real Nightcrawler,and them kind of just being on
the ground fighting, and it wasuh it was very funny.
So I and then we immediately seeher disappear after this fight,
(44:26):
and even uh, I believe it's Kirkcalls it out like where did she
go?
She got away because she cantransform into anybody.
It was a great addition to theirrogues gallery and really leaves
Mystique to be an important foefor the X-Men, hopefully not far
(44:48):
from now.
SPEAKER_04 (44:49):
Yeah, I'd like to see some more Mystique in the
near future.
I'm just looking at the nextmajor story arcs that are ahead
of us.
Speaking of which, that theteaser for the next issue is
completely insane.
It's yeah, it definitely is.
It's a pretty metal.
(45:10):
Like, what even is that?
When you're alone, Kitty Pride,no one can hear you scream.
Like, is that a next the demon?
This thing literally looks likealien.
It does.
Is it is it a brood or I mean itc they called it a demon, so
like are we going like all theway back to like those first
(45:32):
issues where they fight thedemon from the cairn?
Or is this like a brood spacealien situation?
SPEAKER_02 (45:42):
Yeah, that is a great question.
SPEAKER_04 (45:44):
Christmas.
I I uh I think I got kind of ananswer because I went to the
first page of the comic, and uhthere are some spoilers.
SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
Yeah.
Well, the f as you wanna know.
SPEAKER_04 (46:02):
I guess it doesn't matter, you're gonna read it.
It's the first fing page.
The first I haven't read any ofthe words, but so like there's
the cover, the first page, likeyou see the the cairn and all
the demons like flying.
Oh so it's like okay, it isconnected to that.
SPEAKER_02 (46:20):
Did not even put two together.
It makes so much sense now.
SPEAKER_01 (46:26):
Whoa.
All right, and I'm gonna stopflipping through.
SPEAKER_04 (46:31):
Oh my god, man.
We are in for a treat.
This looks awesome.
I'm excited.
All right, overall thoughts.
I gave the two issues together anine out of ten.
Really, really good.
Is there anything they couldhave done to get you to a ten?
Uh I don't know.
Um, that's hard to say.
(46:54):
I just don't know.
I I just feel like there's goingto be like a 10 situation.
I just don't know when or whatit is.
I think this is the best X-Menwe've gotten since the Proteus
saga.
I would put this ahead of DarkPhoenix.
SPEAKER_02 (47:13):
Uh I'm I'm on board 100%.
I uh you you're going to explainthe some of the things you like.
So before I get my score, I'lllet you do that.
Sure.
SPEAKER_04 (47:22):
Uh so I think I was just gonna say, you know, really
good story.
I love the whole cutting betweenthe past and the future.
We're introduced to a ton of newcharacters.
We didn't we've kind of barelytalked about Rachel, but like
Rachel's cool too.
Um, she'll come up againeventually.
(47:43):
I don't really know when.
And it's there's a lot of goodsetup as well for you know,
where is this going to lead to?
And I don't think it's likenext, I mean, we know right now
that next issue is not gonna benecessarily an immediate payoff
for some of those uh plotpoints, but we'll pick up those
(48:06):
threads eventually.
SPEAKER_02 (48:07):
Yeah, that I think you put it brilliantly.
This for me was a 10 out of 10.
I don't think I would changeanything, and I also am gonna be
liberal with my 10 out of 10s.
Hmm.
I I think when there's good workthat requires you give it a good
score, and that's what I'm gonnado.
I like I don't know what couldhave made this better.
(48:28):
Uh, the art was great, the storywas fantastic.
You know, we really talked abouthow they fit a lot of story
threads into here, and we had agood chunk of time dedicated to
our summaries because there wasjust so much happening, and it
didn't feel like we were beingbombarded, and it didn't feel
(48:49):
like what was being presentedwas bad.
So, this for me, 10 out of 10, Ireally, really liked it.
We have all these amazingcharacters that are now being
introduced, a lot of newopportunities for the X-Men to
face evil mutants, which we'vereally haven't seen too much.
And we also have this new storythread where Sebastian Shaw
(49:13):
comes back into the fold.
We have that anti-mutant hatethat's fermenting below the
surface.
And, you know, again, we're kindof seeing humans, as you said,
are now kind of uh becomingmore, I think, mainstream about
their thoughts of not like meliking mutants.
So there's a lot of things thatcan kind of fold out of these
(49:35):
pages, and uh, you know, we areaware of some of that broadly
speaking, or you know, modernday items, but I'm excited to
see these threads play out overthe coming issues, however long
away that might be.
I'm not entirely sure.
But as you said, like I don'tthink we need to jump into it
(49:56):
right away here.
I think just looking at thecover of the next issue, it
looks metal as hell, and I'm allfor a horror-themed Christmas
issue that gives us It'll belike Gremlins.
Don't feed the demon aftermidnight and do not water it.
Anyways, 10 out of 10, loved itbetter than anything I could
(50:19):
have imagined.
Honestly, I'm disappointed thatthe films didn't just give me
this on film.
But besides that, this is waybetter.
And I think everybody involved,like, kudos, you created a
masterpiece.
Great job.
Here's your trophy and goldstar.
Yeah.
Here's my approval 50 yearslater.
(50:40):
Probably all they ever wanted.
I do not think that highly of myopinion.
Uh if if anybody from thecreative team is actually
listening, I want you to knowdeeply everything you've created
is amazing.
You've crushed it.
And give us give us a shout out.
Sponsor us.
SPEAKER_04 (50:59):
Buy us a pizza.
I would take that.
I guess it'd have to be twodifferent pizzas.
I think that's a reasonablerequest.
You could buy a pretty cheappizza.
That's true.
Jack's frozen pizza.
I don't even know what that is.
Oh, I'm wondering.
I'm curious about uh Canadianfrozen pizza brands, but we can
make that a talk for anothertime.
SPEAKER_02 (51:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (51:20):
I think that's a good idea.
I think Wisconsin might be thefrozen pizza capital of the
world.
Really?
Like, I think they produce andeat an extraordinary amount of
frozen pizzas, if I'mremembering correctly.
And part of it is me.
Like, I'm part of the problem,but like in your grocery stores,
(51:42):
is there like a pizza aisle?
Like for frozen pizzas?
Yeah.
Yes.
Like the entire like the entirestretch is just pizza?
SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
Um I think you know, like it's store to store, but
yeah, like I would I would saythat there's like a decent
selection.
SPEAKER_04 (51:57):
Okay.
Cause I've heard tell that uh,you know, people from outside
the state like are impressedwith the the size of how much
like of the grocery store islike dedicated to frozen pizza.
SPEAKER_02 (52:12):
Uh if we ever get a Patreon, we can dedicate an
entire episode towards talkingabout frozen pizza.
I could talk about frozen pizzafor years.
I mean, you're proving the pointthat this is a big thing in
Wisconsin.
SPEAKER_04 (52:27):
Well, it's just I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02 (52:29):
It's an art form.
Now I want to try a frozen pizzafrom Wisconsin.
So if this ever happens, you'regonna have to ship me one
because when I think of frozenpizza, I just think of something
that's sad and makes me want tohave fresh pizza.
SPEAKER_04 (52:44):
It's a spectrum.
Like sometimes you really wantthat like really cheap thin
crust, like three dollar shittysituation.
You know, there are fancierfrozen pizzas, there's some good
ones.
Yeah.
Well, you know, we don't wannawe don't wanna get too far ahead
of ourselves.
You know, we gotta save it forthe eventual frozen pizza
podcast.
(53:04):
Yes, uh frozen delights.
SPEAKER_02 (53:08):
No, that's a terrible name.
We'll think of something better.
SPEAKER_01 (53:10):
Yeah, that's not good.
That is terrible.
That's pretty bad.
SPEAKER_04 (53:17):
So just uh throw in two random things about the
movie, and I think I may havesaid this last time, but one,
Blink is a total MVP of likewhen they're doing the future
stuff, and I wish they wouldhave had a little bit more
future things going on.
They do way more interestingfuture stuff in these actual
books, but Blink is super cool.
(53:39):
I agree.
And there's a moment I reallyappreciated where like the
sentinels are coming and likewithout speaking a word, Magneto
just leaves, and there's kind oflike this tense assumption and
feeling of like, oh, he's gonnago sacrifice himself, and
(54:00):
Charles realizes like this isthe last time he's ever going to
see his friend.
They don't do that, they shouldhave, but like you know, he does
come back, and I think that iskind of a huge storytelling
mistake, but whatever, that's onthem.
Like, they I felt I felt likethey were clearly setting up a
really cool moment, and uh theykind of fumbled the ball.
SPEAKER_02 (54:23):
Yeah, I also was asking myself, like, couldn't
McNeil just down all thoseships?
And then I realized the size ofthem because you see eventually
as they're approaching thisoutpost or wherever the hell
they are, it's a bit weird.
Um, their version of the futurewas very strange looking.
SPEAKER_04 (54:41):
Yeah, it kind of felt like a different planet.
SPEAKER_02 (54:44):
It felt so weird, like it made no sense.
Like if it just felt like uh wedon't want to spend a lot of
money on this, so we're justgoing to throw it on a green
screen, and that'll be the endof it.
Yeah, very, very odd.
Anywho, uh you can see at somepoint in time the sentinels are
on their way towards the X-Menand wherever they're hiding.
(55:07):
And at first you look at themand they're like, okay, there's
a lot of them, but I meanthey're clearly made of metal.
And, you know, they made a pointin the film actually earlier on
that they couldn't be controlledbecause they're not made out of
metal, and then McNeedle cancontrol them anyways.
Regardless, in the future, theycome out and they're actually
(55:28):
they look small compared to theships, uh, the sentinels, and
that really kind of gives youthis breadth of situation, how
large of a threat and how manyof these there are.
I don't know that they reallyhammered that home as well in
the comic, you know, in inshowing us the vast the vastness
(55:51):
of them.
It was just not a ton of them.
You know, it's and I thinkthat's fine.
I think that what they presentedus is totally okay.
Um, but that is something that Ilike about the film that we kind
of get the scope of how manythere are and how widespread it
is.
It is mentioned in the comic,but we don't really see it.
SPEAKER_04 (56:13):
Well, they're probably gearing up for their
invasion of the rest of theworld.
I think you are probably right.
SPEAKER_02 (56:20):
I will also say the sentinels in the film are
absolutely hideous.
I do not like them.
SPEAKER_04 (56:26):
They're terrible.
Both the ones in the past andthe future.
Yeah, they look goofy.
Like they I hate their stupidlittle like wind jets on their
chest.
Yeah.
And then they have like theweird like mystique connection
where it's like, oh, her powerswere the key to unlocking why
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the sentinels can't be beat,because they can adapt to every
situation.
Yeah, it's it was just a giantMacGuffin.
And it's like, bro, two moviesago, you killed a mutant who can
adapt to like everything and whocan't be killed.
You killed Darwin.
He can't die though.
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Well, apparently he can.
R.A.P.
Rip Darwin.
SPEAKER_02 (57:11):
And I I think that's a good spot for us to pay our
respect and uh send us off.
SPEAKER_04 (57:18):
That does it for this episode of Uncanny Book
Club.
Thanks for listening, and wehope to see you next episode
where we'll discuss issues 143to 145.
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I'm Isaac Vader Steel andjoining me as always is my
co-host Adam Ward.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Yo.
SPEAKER_04 (00:19):
Still haven't watched Dark Food.
However, I do believe you'vewatched a different movie.
SPEAKER_02 (00:27):
Yeah, I mean, in preparation of this, I felt it
was only fair to give myselfsome homework and watch Days of
Future Past.
The Fox movie.
The Fox movie.
Gotta be clear there.
So overall.
Good movie?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Bad movie?
SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
What do you think?
It is not the movie I remember.
And I think that's largelybecause being removed from the
original X-Men series at thatpoint in time, this was like a
big shot of nostalgia to see thecharacters back after kind of
going through first class.
(01:02):
And I like what they really didwith the recasted characters,
like I think James McAvoy and uhFastbender did a really good job
as Magneto and Xavier.
Where I think the ball gotdropped was with Mystique.
And she does to my and and to beclear, I watched the movie
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before reading these two issues.
So I went in to reading the bookwith really my core memory
knowledge on this being whathappened in the film.
And so in that context, I wasactually surprised to see
Mystique had like this huge rolein the comic story.
(01:49):
I was not expecting that,honestly.
Sure.
That being said, I think therewere fun things about the film,
but it really felt like it wasthe Fox version of this story
rather than like a true to formsort of uh retelling of it as we
have now read it.
(02:09):
Sure.
I think that's fair.
SPEAKER_04 (02:11):
Kind of their own little twist on it.
SPEAKER_02 (02:13):
Yeah, I liked uh like I like the setting.
I think the setting was reallyfun with it being like with
Nixon and Vietnam.
I think those period piecesreally bring a lot of character
and change to to these kinds ofstories.
So like that was fun, but youknow, I I think like I had no
idea that Xavier's assassinationhappens in this book or like
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attempted assassination, right?
Like that event was part of thiscore chain reaction that took
place that resulted in this daysof future past dystopian 2013.
So that was all fresh to me.
And I think for the better,we'll obviously get into it, but
what's your general thought onon the film?
SPEAKER_04 (03:00):
I think overall positive, it's better than a lot
of the other X-Men movies.
I'm not super hot on firstclass.
Oh, okay as we've uh it's justokay.
Like there's there's some goodelements of it, but we've
discussed before that like youknow, Emma's awesome, and the
(03:22):
Emma Frost that we get in thatmovie is just really yeah,
underwhelming and sad.
SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
Yeah, truly disappointing.
I mean, even compared to herfirst showing in the comics,
like that she was never likethat in the book.
SPEAKER_04 (03:39):
Yeah, just no good.
But I mean, overall, I mean,that's a movie that I haven't
watched in a long, long time atthis point.
I think, you know, there's somedefinite positives to it.
But overall, I think the Days ofFuture Pass movie is pretty
good.
And, you know, considering theyare sort of written into what
(04:00):
they've already done up to thatpoint with the movie, I felt
they did a good job of adaptingthe story to, you know, it's
altered, but yeah, a lot of thesame like beats are there, some
things carry over.
They made some smart changeshere and there.
(04:20):
Obviously, they can't do SenatorKelly again because that's the
first X-Men movie.
Although they don't really haveto pay attention to that.
And then, of course, the bestpart of the movie is that it
undoes the third X-Men movie.
Like that's its true claim tofame for me.
Yeah, and that third film isrough.
(04:41):
Issue 141 has one of the moststriking covers we've seen yet:
an old grizzled Wolverinestanding in front of an older
Kitty Pride with posters behindthem that show the X-Men as all
slain or apprehended.
The 21st century is a grim,dystopian world, and we see
Kitty navigate New York City tomake a delivery.
(05:02):
A gang tries to stop her, butWolverine shows up and takes
care of them.
He also provides her with thelast component she needs to
complete the jammer, and theyplan to meet up again for phase
two of their plan at midnight.
We see Kitty arrive at the SouthBronx Mutant Internment Center,
walking past a sentinel whointerrogates her, and finally
(05:25):
walking past a large cemetery ofmutants and mutant allies.
We see that the Fantastic Four,Professor X, Nightcrawler,
Cyclops, Warren, and Beast,among others, are all dead.
Kitty reconvenes with all thatremains of the X-Men, Storm,
Colossus, Franklin Richards, andRachel, a red-headed telepath
(05:49):
and telekinetic, and awheelchair-bound Magneto.
We learn that Kitty and Peterare married in this future, and
that they had children who weretragically killed by Sentinels.
The jammer is completed, andthis allows the X-Men to once
again use their powers byturning off the inhibitor
collars.
(06:09):
Rachel enacts their plan andsends Kitty's mind from the
future back to her past self.
We then cut back to the presentduring a danger room session
where Kitty has walked in whenshe's not supposed to, and the
X-Men are all busy training.
She's in a pretty good amount ofdanger, but the team works
together to keep her safe.
(06:29):
She then has her own session ata much lower difficulty level
and essentially just walksthrough the whole thing with her
eyes closed, much to theamusement of the rest of the
X-Men.
However, she suddenly collapsesand they rush her to the
infirmary.
Future Kitty wakes up and hugsKurt, who present Kitty is very
scared of, and warns the X-Menthat she's on a mission from the
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future to stop the assassinationof presidential candidate Robert
Kelly, Charles Xavier, and MoiraMcTaggart, which occurs on this
very day.
She explains that Kelly'sassassination sets in motion a
sequence of events thatculminates in the nuclear
destruction of the whole world.
The team believes her but wantsProfessor X to verify her story.
(07:14):
They all head to DC, whereCharles and Moira are in a
hearing with Senator Kelly asmutant experts.
Kitty further explains that theSentinels eventually wipe out
not only mutants, but all superbeings, both heroes and
villains.
We cut back to the future hereand see the X-Men running
through the old subway tunnelstrying to escape, mentioning
(07:36):
that Magneto stayed behind tobuy them more time.
The tunnels are ripped opensuddenly, and Franklin is
disintegrated instantly by asentinel.
Feels bad.
Yeah.
The X-Men do battle and are ableto defeat their attackers.
Back in the present, we areintroduced to Mystique, Raven
Darkholm, a metamorph mutant whohas assembled the Brotherhood of
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Evil Mutants, Destiny,Avalanche, Pyro, and the Blob.
The X-Men arrive to the hearingjust in time to see the
Brotherhood bust through a walllike the Kool-Aid Man.
And the issue ends with the twogroups facing off.
SPEAKER_02 (08:15):
I was just looking up when Mystique's first
appearance was, and it was notin the X-Men.
SPEAKER_01 (08:23):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (08:24):
Yeah.
I thought this would have beenit.
SPEAKER_04 (08:27):
Maybe this was the first use of her in X-Men?
I would assume so.
What was her first officialcomics appearance?
SPEAKER_02 (08:37):
Her first official appearance was in Miss Marvel
number 16 in May 1978.
But was created by Chris.
That's interesting.
David Collins.
SPEAKER_04 (08:51):
That's like uh a couple years before this, huh?
I think so.
Hmm.
I don't know.
That's very strange to me, butthat is a fun trivia fact.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
And one I did not know until I looked this up just
now.
Very awesome.
The more you know.
Speaking of facts, I thought itwould be fun to start with uh
this picture that we see wherethe X-Men are in what year do
you remember what year we're in?
Is it 2013?
2013, yeah.
In 2013, I have some fun factsabout the year of 2013 so we can
(09:26):
see how it compares to theX-Men.
I'm ready for it.
All right.
You remember Edward Snowden?
Yes.
He leaks the NSA documents.
We have the Boston Marathonbombing, we have uh chemical
attack in Syria and non-terriblenews.
3D printing became popular, thePS4 and the Xbox One release.
(09:48):
Frozen becomes a major moviehit.
I saw it in theaters.
I did not, but my son loves itnow, so I'm uh I'm very well
aware of it.
Breaking bad ended.
Everybody was doing the HarlemShake, and I I I didn't.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:08):
I'm still not even sure what it is, to be honest.
SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
And uh Vine was popular.
SPEAKER_04 (10:14):
R.A.P.
SPEAKER_02 (10:15):
Vine.
Yeah, Rip Vine.
Um, and Gugnum Style was uh alsoall over the place.
I do know that one.
That was technically 2012 whenthat came out, but it was
staying power.
Oh yeah.
Another, another popular song inthe house.
Well, there you go.
Some fun facts, not nearly asdark and uh broody and gloomy as
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this unfortunate.
SPEAKER_04 (10:39):
Well, the first part of your list was pretty dark and
gloomy.
Things picked up mood-wise alittle bit toward the end, but
yeah, I think this is a reallyawesome premise, and I love that
we sort of just jumped into thisstory kind of out of nowhere.
Yeah.
This must have just felt soshocking and cool when it first
(11:02):
released.
Like you jump from what was thelast stuff?
Were we doing Canada with theWendigo?
Yeah, I think so.
So to go from that to this ispretty different.
SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
Yeah, it's super fun.
There was a lot that I likedbeyond just the premise itself.
Even what was happening in themodern day of the X-Men was
incredibly interesting.
This um new Brotherhood ofMutants, we have Mystique, we
have the Blob, we see whathappened to him after he got out
(11:36):
of jail and that Mystique wasbehind it.
We have Destiny that's here, andsome really cool appearances by
both Pyro and Avalanche.
SPEAKER_04 (11:45):
I was not super knowledgeable about what
Avalanche did before this.
I knew his name.
Yeah, I was the same.
And I for some reason, like Ialways just confuse like his
powers with Richter.
Okay, yeah.
I can see that.
They kinda, you know, it seemssimilar.
Avalanche, earthquakes.
(12:06):
Like in my head, it's just like,oh, he does like earth tremory
stuff, but it's not really howit's described.
No, no, no.
I I don't think he does that atall.
That's just like how it was inmy head.
And maybe, you know, I have noidea where that's coming from,
but the name really interestingpower.
SPEAKER_02 (12:22):
It is an interesting power.
I think it's technicallyclassified as him like
dissolving any uh any material,I think.
SPEAKER_04 (12:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
Is it, you know, is it just likebreaking apart like all the blob
molecular structure or basicallyjust disintegrates everything?
SPEAKER_02 (12:41):
It I'm guessing that might be what it is.
We do see him grab onto a metaluh piece of art or a bar or
something that uh blob was gonnasmack Pyro with, I believe.
And Avalanche stepped in andyeah, like just disintegrated
it.
Very cool.
I think the premise of havinglike an evil mutant team, which
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obviously isn't new to the X-Menat this point, however, we
haven't seen this in a longtime.
So to get this back in the fold,I think is I think it's great.
I think it's you're you kind ofhad enough separation that this
feels fresh, and thenintertwining it with this uh
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story of this ripple throughtime and the consequences of the
actions of this day and seeingthose play out in the future is
also really awesome.
The future stuff is very good.
It it's also awesome to showcaseKitty in this way, to make her
this important character thathas, you know, as we're kind of
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seeing, their plans are for thisto be a major character into the
future.
And so they're laying thatgroundwork now that Kitty is
gonna be around for a long timeand she's an important member of
the X-Men.
Here we are solidifying it atthis point.
And just great to see a versionof Kitty, even though we haven't
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really seen a whole lot of her,and certainly not in an action
capacity.
To see her just being involvedin this story was really great.
And I say that as somebodyobviously who likes Kitty Pride.
So I am inherently biased andI'm uh not ashamed of it, as you
shouldn't be.
SPEAKER_04 (14:27):
I think that they did a really good job of
justifying why she's there justin like the story format where
she's like, you know, I waschosen for this mission because
at this time Kitty's the onlyperson that hasn't been trained
against a psychic attack.
So they're able to send her backessentially.
SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
Yeah, I really did like that as well.
I mean, comparing it to thefilm, very different, right?
Instead of Kitty.
Very different.
Instead of Kitty, uh, she kindof plays the role of Rachel in
the film, which is unfortunatebecause I do feel we probably
could have had a introduction ofRachel without the context that
was really required, instead ofhaving Kitty just suddenly be
(15:12):
using powers that she never hadbefore.
SPEAKER_04 (15:15):
I'm wondering if they chose to use Kitty there
just to have that like homage tothe comics of like, yes, we
understand that Kitty was thecentral piece of that story.
You know, we're not gonna dothat.
It doesn't really work for whatthey what they're able to do
with this whole like you knowtime difference thing and them
(15:37):
setting up Wolverine as theX-Man, but still finding a way
to involve her, yeah, it doesn'treally make that much sense.
SPEAKER_02 (15:45):
I think you're 100% right.
Ultimately, it just doesn't makesense.
It would make sense perhaps ifthey had the whole Robert Kelly
situation happening when Kittywas a character.
I think that would have helped alot.
Because then even though itwasn't set at any one point in
time, you still could have donea um story.
(16:08):
But I, you know, I alsounderstand that they want to use
the characters from theoriginal, or sorry, not the
original, the like these newerrecastings and use them.
And that's what we essentiallygot.
Anywho, this is all fine.
Uh the only other thing I wantedto point out that was a major
difference, obviously, incharacter changes, is Wolverine
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being the chosen mutant to dothis time leap back in time,
which I actually will give themcredit for.
I do we do get a bit of anexplanation as to why that is
the case.
And it's kind of in the samevein, although very two
different things, where uh, youknow, as you said, Kenny has not
(16:49):
received that training toprevent a psychic attack yet.
In the film, we have Wolverine,who just is overall the best
healer on the team, and he canwithstand the just overall
damage that this sort of uh tripinto the past would cause.
(17:10):
It's explained well why they gowith Logan.
I I think, like I said at thestart, I think in the context of
this being a reimagining withinthe Fox specific X-Men film
universe, like it makes sense.
But at the same time, I feellike we've been robbed of seeing
(17:30):
this story play out on screenbecause there's certainly enough
things happening to make thattransition from paper to film
incredibly interesting.
And we see that with theBrotherhood of Mutants, that
could be a major, you know, uhantagonist organization for the
X-Men, while also, you know,making Kitty the character she
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needs to be here, because wealso see a lot of great
interactions between othercharacters like Logan and Storm.
Uh, we get fun interactionsbetween the Brotherhood of
Mutants, and we really, youknow, continue to not have
Xavier looming over the X-Men,and they're really able to kind
(18:16):
of stand on their team and makethis judgment call to trust that
Kitty's telling the truth.
And, you know, yes, they'regoing to Xavier to verify it,
but they are taking action andmaking that decision themselves.
SPEAKER_04 (18:28):
Real quick, you made a little bit of a noise or a
comment when I said thatFranklin Richards was
disintegrated by the Sentinel.
This must be like the mostunderwhelming use of Franklin
Richards that they've done.
And I'm guessing, yeah, I don'tknow what they've done with that
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character at this point withinlike the Fantastic Four comics,
or like how much of him has beenestablished that he's like an
extremely powerful mutant.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Or even it's uh do you know if he was actually
known to be a mutant at thispoint, or is that like a modern
day?
SPEAKER_04 (19:06):
He probably isn't.
SPEAKER_02 (19:08):
Yeah, I think you're right.
But he could be.
Um, yeah, I really actuallyliked um, you know, I was
thinking about this.
I really like the inclusion ofthe Fantastic Four, just in
general in this story.
There's a lot of imageryinvolved of the Fantastic Four.
We see headstones with theirnames on it.
Obviously, Franklin's involved.
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And um in the next issue, we'llsee them actually go to the
Baxter building, which is thehome of the Fantastic Four.
What I did find funny though isone of the headstones I believe
says Doctor Doom.
Bruh, man.
I'm sorry, but no sentinelstaking out Doom.
SPEAKER_04 (19:46):
Well, a bunch of Sentinels.
I no man, come on.
They've got a lot of them.
Uh it doesn't matter.
He is specifically crossed outto like they when they're
explaining, like, oh, theSentinels, they came for the
heroes and the villains.
Yeah.
By the turn of the century,everyone was gone.
He's one of the characters thatthey show as having a little X
(20:08):
over them.
There's no way, man.
I'm sorry.
Well, these are pretty advancedsentinels.
Like, they're disintegratingpeople left and right.
They seem pretty like asignificantly more powerful than
the Sentinels that have beenfeatured in these stories so
far.
SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
Yeah, you are correct.
I think it would have been niceto actually get a redesign or
some sort of um like I'm I'msure they just, you know, you
were telling me Chris wasn'treally interested in doing a
sentinel story, right?
Like that's what you had said tome before we started.
SPEAKER_04 (20:41):
Yeah, we briefly discussed before recording how
these these two issues wasplotted by John Byrne, and a
thing that I had read onWikipedia said something about
Chris not being interested in asentinel story.
SPEAKER_02 (20:58):
Yeah, and uh also as we talked about, we should have
just saved it for thisconversation, but that's fine.
We're talking about it again.
SPEAKER_04 (21:05):
We should just stop talking before we uh start the
podcast, probably.
SPEAKER_02 (21:09):
No man, it's the warm-up.
We gotta talk about something.
It can't just be, hey, how areyou?
How's your family?
I mean, I guess it could bethat, but anyways.
SPEAKER_01 (21:19):
Who has the time?
Who has the time?
Too many comics to read.
Sorry, what were we talkingabout?
Who knows?
I lost myself.
SPEAKER_04 (21:28):
Franklin Richards.
Franklin Richards.
Dead instantly.
R.I.P.
Yeah, right.
Also in this book, the romancepartner of Rachel.
Yeah, I'm not sure what we wouldhave known about him at this
point.
Probably not much.
We don't even see any powersfrom him in this story.
Yeah, weirdly introduced.
Yeah, he he gets dusted realbad.
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Kinda just exists to make Rachelhave a worse day.
I can't.
And we'll cover it later.
But this is like this isdefinitely like Rachel's like
worst day of her life, I wouldassume.
Yeah, I think so.
This was another instance where,and I've mentioned this before,
but it feels like they packed animpossible amount of story into
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just this one issue.
Yeah, I agree.
There's a lot happening, but itdoesn't feel overwhelming.
No.
It's just it's just flows reallygood.
Like every panel has purpose.
It feels like a double issue ina good way, but it's, you know,
it's that I think it's 22 pageslong now.
(22:34):
Sorry, is this a double issue?
No.
It okay.
SPEAKER_02 (22:37):
That it did feel like there was a lot happening.
SPEAKER_04 (22:40):
It took a while to describe the whole like to do
the plot summary just becauseit's like, oh man, there's like
a lot of context and importantthings that actually need to be
brought up and can't be quicklysummarized or glossed over too
much.
SPEAKER_02 (22:56):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I thought that the art team didKitty a little dirty, honestly,
in how she appears in thefuture.
She old.
She's not that old, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (23:09):
I don't well, yeah, but when you're living in that
sort of environment, you justage more dramatically.
SPEAKER_02 (23:15):
Well, I would uh agree with you in a real life
scenario, they don't need to dothat to her.
SPEAKER_04 (23:22):
It's fine, but I think they just really wanted
to, you know, make it understoodlike she old.
She does look pretty old though.
Is she her older self on thecover?
Yeah.
Because she doesn't look nearlyas bad there.
Well, it's gotta be a differentdifferent artist doing the
cover.
SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
No, I I realize that, but they could have picked
up this y fresh-looking kittyrather than grandma that we get.
Yeah.
Anyways, I really, really lovethis.
They're just getting bangerafter banger at this point.
SPEAKER_04 (23:54):
It's pretty crazy.
Like the streak that they're on.
That's a note I have for laterof like the insane streak that
they've been on recently.
The only other thing in my notesis I feel like so far, one
aspect that we've been missingfrom the story for a while is
that human versus mutant thing.
And previously, before this,it's been mostly shown by people
(24:18):
like Lang, who, you know, iskind of a mustache twirling
racist villain image dude.
And I think this is just like amuch more, I guess, grounded
approach.
And like Kitty even mentionslike Kelly's a decent person,
but it's fear that's you knowdriving all this instead of like
(24:41):
hate, as it was in like Lang'sstory.
It's also nice that we're justadding a it seems like we're
getting a lot of story elementsin here that are going to have a
greater impact than just likehere's a one or two like issue
storyline with like a villain.
Like we're seeing the governmentconsidering, like, you know,
(25:02):
what do we do about the mutantproblem and setting up that
ongoing situation?
SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Yeah, I you know what, and I wasn't necessarily
expecting that at the end.
Like I and I'll save my broaderthoughts on uh like on the
ending.
Because it is significantlydifferent than what occurs in
the film.
Yeah, that's true.
Like significantly.
And honestly, I like it morebecause we we really get a
(25:32):
fundamental setup for so manyfuture stories, and so many
doors are opened by paintingthis dystopian future.
It's it was a shocking issue,and I think it's shocking, uh,
you know, yes, incompared to forwhen this probably would have
come out, but it's shocking evennow reading this entire series
(25:57):
the way we are.
It was no less shocking goinginto it having not really read
it before.
And when I say not really, I'venever read it prior to now.
I've never read anything ever.
What's reading?
So, what would you give thisissue?
SPEAKER_04 (26:15):
I don't know if I want to grade them separately.
SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Okay, yeah, I'm fine with that.
They're they're just so likeintertwined.
Yeah, it it is.
I mean, even on its own, it'sfantastic, but yeah.
Because I figured you would giveit something high regardless.
So it does.
I mean, yeah, I get it.
Yeah, we'll save it.
Okay, yeah.
All right, well let's uh let'smove on to the next issue
(26:39):
because the train keeps rollingbecause there's a lot that takes
place.
SPEAKER_04 (26:43):
Issue 142 has the classic This Issue, Everyone
Dies, on the cover, featuredalongside an image of Wolverine
being blasted by a sentinel.
We see a fight break out betweenthe X-Men and their brotherhood
of evil mutants.
Angel flies off with Kitty insearch for Kelly, and Mystique
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uses her powers of disguise tofool both Moira and Charles and
knocks them out with gas.
The future X-Men are still onthe run and end up breaking into
the Baxter building, which isnow the primary base of the
Sentinels.
Back in the present, Storm feelssome doubts over her leadership
abilities due to the mess thatthey're all currently in.
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To get a bit more fighting room,she calls on Hurricane Winds and
forces them all outside.
The fight continues with thearmy also taking some shots with
their tanks, which unfortunatelyknock down Colossus instead of
the bad guys.
They also make the mistake oftrying a flamethrower against
Pyro, who just creates a bigflame monster.
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Mystique gets up to some moremischief by impersonating
Nightcrawler.
Wolverine brings out the claws,but Storm has them put them
away, and orders him not to usethem except for the most extreme
situations against deadly foes.
He reluctantly obeys.
The X-Men start fighting smart,using physics to move the blob,
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rain to put out the fire, thatkind of stuff.
Nightcrawler comes face to facewith Mystique and asks why they
have such similar eyes and skin.
She replies, Could it be, KurtWagner, that you are not so
unique as you once thought?
Nightcrawler is stunned that sheknows his name and asks who she
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is.
Mystique replies that he shouldask his mother about it.
Back to the Future, the X-Mentry for a fastball special, but
the Sentinel turns dramaticallyand disintegrates Wolverine,
with only his Adamanteanskeleton remaining.
Storm is the next of fall,sending the once gentle Colossus
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into a berserker's rage.
We see Rachel clutching Kittyand weeping at the loss of Storm
and her partner Franklin.
She wants to break contact withPeter's mind, but doesn't want
him to be alone when he dies.
Before she can even finish thethought, he is killed as well.
Rachel wonders what will happento Kitty if her body dies while
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she's in the past, and hopesthat if it does happen, that she
has a better life than the oneshe's already lived.
In the present, Kitty stopsDestiny from assassinating
Kelly.
It seems there's some weirdtemporal anomaly thing going on
that has a very negative effecton Destiny's mind and powers.
After he's been saved, Kittyfeels herself returning to the
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future, having completed hermission.
Mystique is the only member ofthe Brotherhood to escape
capture.
Dexman fly home and explain theday's events to Kitty.
Angel wonders if they've changedthe future, and Xavier says,
only time will tell.
The last page shows Kelly andShaw meeting with the president.
He's concerned by Kelly'srecommendations following the
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attempted assassination.
But the president agrees thatsomething needs to be done, but
that it must happen covertly.
They name the operation ProjectWide Awake and introduce Henry
Gyrik as the man who will leadthem.
He's given the responsibility ofworking with Shaw Industries to
design and construct a newseries of Sentinels.
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The issue concludes with Gyriksaying that the threat mutants
pose will be resolvedpermanently.
We get a teaser for the nextissue, Demon, with the words
When you're alone, Kitty Pride,no one can hear you scream.
Christmas edition.
That's true, Christmas edition.
It's a Christmas episode nexttime.
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I think it's gonna come out nearChristmas.
Let's do the math on this.
This is a fun coincidence.
This comes out on the 24th ofDecember.
SPEAKER_02 (30:55):
Oh shit.
Alright, well, we gotta playthat up at the end.
Anywho, a lot of detail inthere.
You did a you did a really goodjob uh capstoning the entire
summary of this issue.
Because there's a lot a lot ofmoving parts.
SPEAKER_04 (31:08):
It was a stressful time to try and capture
everything.
Glossed over some stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (31:13):
I I mean you got the majority of it all in there.
It's all I think it worked well.
SPEAKER_04 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean, like you there's there's like things
here and there that you gottaskip.
Like this might be the firsttime, possibly, that they
mention Wolverine has reallyfast healing.
Or did they do that last time?
No, it was this one.
They mentioned Wolverine havingfast healing.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Hmm.
SPEAKER_04 (31:35):
You could also talk about how for an older gal,
Destiny's costume sure does showoff a lot of leg.
It's a weird choice.
She does not look like an oldperson in costume.
SPEAKER_02 (31:48):
Uh no, not at all.
And you know, we talked aboutthe staying power of these two
issues and the characters andthe story and all of these
things that are gonna play outover the remainder of the course
of the X-Men in some way, shape,or form.
And it's really all tied back tothis issue.
It's really incredible to thinkabout.
SPEAKER_04 (32:07):
And connects back to Dark Phoenix saga where Shaw is
like, hey man, let's build abunch of Sentinels.
Yeah.
And now they're gonna throw somemoney at him to build some
sentinels.
Very fun.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
I thought this was the perfect ending to this
story.
We had a strong start with thisbig fight that happens between
the X-Men and the Brotherhood ofEvil Mutants, and it is not
short.
It is the majority of this issueand is important to the overall
uh story that's unfolding.
Like this is a high-stakesfight, and at times the X-Men
(32:45):
were doubting their capabilitiesof defeating them.
Um, because we see Storm tryingto prevent Logan from going too
hard, and uh for fear that ifthese politicians and
specifically Kelly are seeing anunhinged mutant would just be
too far away.
(33:06):
Yeah, a Canadian mutant, oh mygod, running rampant in the
wherever the Senate is.
So he had this.
Thank you.
So we had this great fight thatwas very action-heavy, it was
plotted exceptionally well, itwas very thought out.
I thought even a character likeBlob, which is inherently
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boring, at least to me, is in alot of ways at this point like
the juggernaut.
Like he's immovable.
We see Peter really struggleagainst him and eventually see
him triumph, which you know I'vebeen clamoring for issues or
like several episodes at thispoint about how Peter just
(33:49):
cannot catch a break andactually contribute in a super
meaningful way.
SPEAKER_04 (33:54):
Well, he uses his brain this time.
Yeah.
He makes uh He's like, We'regonna we're gonna physics this
bitch.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:02):
And uh and lifts him up, and it's it's great.
It's super funny uh seeingWolverine bend down and they
make a lever, basically.
Must hurt uh Wolverine's back,though.
SPEAKER_04 (34:14):
Well, he's got them adamant.
But they explained that becauseof the animantium, he's the only
one whose bones won't crack.
SPEAKER_02 (34:21):
But but as we see in the future, that doesn't matter.
No, they'll just disintegrateeverything else.
And uh that is that is one cleanskeleton.
Yeah, it was brutally beautiful.
SPEAKER_04 (34:34):
Yeah, it looked awesome.
SPEAKER_02 (34:36):
It is drawn pretty crazy, just just like enough,
you know?
SPEAKER_04 (34:40):
Just just the native without it being gory.
It's it was great.
They I think that describes likethis entire situation, really.
Like they show like just enoughof Wolverine.
They like Storm's death is notlike gross, like it's kind of
that I don't know what we callthis like a like a silhouette
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sort of situation where there'snot details, it's really just
like they've drawn the hand, theharpoon, and her just in like
all black against a whitebackground.
And then I think Peter's deathwas so well done where you know
it's not even hap, like it's nothappening on screen, you don't
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see it, you're just likeexperiencing it through Rachel,
who again is having the worstday of her life.
Yep.
That whole situation I think islike the I mean it's kind of a
bummer because they kill theX-Men, but I think it's like
really a highlight of the issuebecause like you have Wolverine,
(35:42):
he's sneaking up, they're doinga fastball special, he's gonna
assassinate one of thesentinels, and then it just
casually turns around andquickly one-shots him.
And it's like, oh, this is bad.
We're uh we're in a situationnow.
SPEAKER_02 (35:58):
Yeah.
I'm looking at the panel again,and it is fierce, is the the
word that comes to mind.
It just it sh it's just likesheer brutality.
Well done.
It's perfect.
SPEAKER_04 (36:12):
No notes.
That's one issue with doing themovie the way they did it, is
that they weren't able torecreate this scene, which has
gotta be, I mean, it's the coverof the issue, it's gotta be like
the most iconic imagery fromthis storyline, besides maybe
the image of Wolverine and Kittyin front of all the posters.
(36:34):
Like, I think those are, I mean,it's the two covers of the
issues, but those are like wheremy mind goes, I guess.
SPEAKER_02 (36:41):
Yeah, we do get a different iconic moment in the
film where Magneto pulls rebarbbasically through the body of
Logan and tosses him into like alike a fountain or something.
It's a bummer day for him.
And he's just there drowning,hoping that the actions that he
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did were enough to change thefuture, and they were.
Mission accomplished.
And mission accomplished.
The ending of the movie comparedto the ending of the of this
issue is significantlydifferent.
You know, as you said, we seeSenator Kelly and Shaw pulled
into a secretive meeting bysomebody who we it's it's the
president, right?
(37:26):
Like, is that what theimplication is?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (37:28):
Uh yeah, it's the president.
I was confused at first when Iwas going through and rewriting
like the plot summary.
I was like, who is the shadowyfigure?
And I was like, oh, it's thepresident.
They just put him in shadowbecause they didn't want to draw
the specific like whoever'spresident right now.
SPEAKER_02 (37:44):
And so we see this secretive meaning, the sentinels
are not gone.
It's just, you know, things arestill gonna jug along.
And in the film, we seeessentially the entire erasure
of X-Men 3, the film.
We've made everything goodagain.
SPEAKER_04 (38:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:02):
Here we go, everyone.
We did it.
Hooray! It's a very big tonaldifference.
Very much so.
Um to where I think likewatching the film in a bubble is
kind of confusing that it goesback to that moment in time,
that that's like Logan's.
SPEAKER_04 (38:21):
I think it's just very I think I think they just
want to make it like super fanservicey too, and be like, look,
it's all your all yourfavorites.
SPEAKER_02 (38:29):
Yeah, that that's a hundred percent what it was.
Hey, we're bringing back um youknow, all these original
characters so they can playthemselves in the future for you
know a very short period oftime.
SPEAKER_04 (38:40):
It's completely wild because they go on to make
sequels to Days of Future Passthat have a completely different
Scott and Gene in them.
Yeah, man, that's how Fox didfilms.
There's there's there's nomaking sense of their timeline.
I know it's just like kind oflike a funny thing to joke
(39:02):
about, but it's just like allover the place, crazy.
Who else is on that team?
SPEAKER_02 (39:08):
It's Scott, Gene, the OG movie team?
No, no, no, not the OG movieteam.
The sorry, the one that is likethe the uh age of or Age of
Apocalypse version or apocalypseteam.
Gene Storm, right?
SPEAKER_04 (39:24):
Isn't she one?
I think Storm is on TeamApocalypse at first.
Yeah, and then Defects.
Yeah.
So I think it's Mystique.
SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
Is Mystique on it too?
SPEAKER_04 (39:35):
I suppose we can look this up.
SPEAKER_02 (39:37):
Yeah, I mean I'm just curious.
SPEAKER_04 (39:40):
Olivia Munn uh is in the movie.
They have Scylar.
Oh, Angel.
I think.
We have Betsy Braddock, PeterMaximoff, Gene, Angel, Auroro,
Mystique, yeah, Warren, Havoc,Cyclops, Hank, and then a bunch
(40:02):
of random people's.
Ooh, Jubilee.
Oh yeah, Jubilee is in this.
Yeah, that's right.
I feel like they don't use herin Dark Phoenix much, do they?
SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
I don't know.
I didn't watch it.
SPEAKER_04 (40:17):
Caliban?
I don't remember Caliban beingoh, I fell asleep during this
movie, but I don't rememberCaliban being in it.
Clan Akaba leader.
Hmm.
Maybe I'll watch this onesometime.
SPEAKER_02 (40:30):
Yeah, I don't really remember much of it.
Oh yeah, Kurt's in it, that'sright.
Oh yeah.
Kurt, Angel, Jubilee, Gene,Scott.
SPEAKER_04 (40:40):
I feel like that's good casting for Warren.
Or at least the picture thatGoogle is associating with the
movie, I think, is uh looks verykind of Warren-y to me.
No, I think this is good.
SPEAKER_01 (40:53):
Did they do something different with the the
horseman?
Is it not or are they using likea past?
Like a flashback?
SPEAKER_02 (41:02):
I don't know.
God, it's been a long time sinceI watched this film and I only
watched it once and I didn'treally like it then.
And you're not gonna like itnow.
Ain't that the truth?
I think Moira is in this film.
She is.
So that's good.
Anyways, I was curious howDestiny would kind of fit into a
(41:23):
combat team.
There was a great sequence whereright off the start, when the
Brotherhood attack andAvalanche's, I believe it's
Avalanche, is doing his thing,and so Kurt responds by bamfing
around and is kind of likehitting him in multiple sides,
and we see Destiny call out, youknow, hit him on your left.
(41:46):
And we see that kind of playout.
And she does play a significantrole even towards the end of the
book, as she's the one who hascornered Senator Kelly and is on
the verge of killing him when wesee Kitty come forward, kind of
phase through her and reforminto her physical body and knock
(42:09):
this crossbow, which is a veryodd choice of weapon, but there
it is.
SPEAKER_04 (42:14):
Destiny's really old, so when you're old school,
you just uh maybe she's veryattached to the crossbow.
SPEAKER_02 (42:23):
As you do when you're a villain.
Just gotta have an obscureweapon of choice.
But overall, I really, reallylove this iteration of the
Brotherhood of Evil mutants.
We see Mystique promise at thevery end that they're gonna be
released from prison.
She's promising this, so youknow, we're setting up the
return of these mutants in thefuture to hopefully have a
(42:45):
little bit more staying power sothey're not just taken out right
away.
I thought this was an extremelystrong showing of Mystique.
We see this tease of Kurt andMystique being hit what's going
on there?
Are they related?
They look kind of the same.
What's happening?
SPEAKER_04 (43:02):
I think it's pretty clear that the implication is
they are related in some way.
100%.
But it will be interesting tosee, like, you know, when are
they gonna go down thatstoryline?
And like Kurt has nevermentioned his mother before, uh,
adoptive mother, as it were.
(43:22):
So it'll be interesting to see,like, you know, Colossus is
usually the one pining for hisfamily.
So are we gonna get a littletrip to Germany?
Gonna get some Kurt backstory.
You'll be interesting.
We've brought her up a fewtimes.
I think that these two issuesjust do such a great job of
(43:42):
showing why Mystique is just anightmare to deal with.
Yeah.
She's very slippery.
She's the only one from thegroup that is able to escape
when everyone else is captured.
She is just like causing havoceverywhere.
And I think they use her powersjust so smart over these two
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issues.
SPEAKER_02 (44:04):
I agree a hundred percent.
You know, it was really funseeing like this classic who is
who?
Is this the real Nightcrawler?
No, I'm the real Nightcrawler,and them kind of just being on
the ground fighting, and it wasuh it was very funny.
So I and then we immediately seeher disappear after this fight,
(44:26):
and even uh, I believe it's Kirkcalls it out like where did she
go?
She got away because she cantransform into anybody.
It was a great addition to theirrogues gallery and really leaves
Mystique to be an important foefor the X-Men, hopefully not far
(44:48):
from now.
SPEAKER_04 (44:49):
Yeah, I'd like to see some more Mystique in the
near future.
I'm just looking at the nextmajor story arcs that are ahead
of us.
Speaking of which, that theteaser for the next issue is
completely insane.
It's yeah, it definitely is.
It's a pretty metal.
(45:10):
Like, what even is that?
When you're alone, Kitty Pride,no one can hear you scream.
Like, is that a next the demon?
This thing literally looks likealien.
It does.
Is it is it a brood or I mean itc they called it a demon, so
like are we going like all theway back to like those first
(45:32):
issues where they fight thedemon from the cairn?
Or is this like a brood spacealien situation?
SPEAKER_02 (45:42):
Yeah, that is a great question.
SPEAKER_04 (45:44):
Christmas.
I I uh I think I got kind of ananswer because I went to the
first page of the comic, and uhthere are some spoilers.
SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
Yeah.
Well, the f as you wanna know.
SPEAKER_04 (46:02):
I guess it doesn't matter, you're gonna read it.
It's the first fing page.
The first I haven't read any ofthe words, but so like there's
the cover, the first page, likeyou see the the cairn and all
the demons like flying.
Oh so it's like okay, it isconnected to that.
SPEAKER_02 (46:20):
Did not even put two together.
It makes so much sense now.
SPEAKER_01 (46:26):
Whoa.
All right, and I'm gonna stopflipping through.
SPEAKER_04 (46:31):
Oh my god, man.
We are in for a treat.
This looks awesome.
I'm excited.
All right, overall thoughts.
I gave the two issues together anine out of ten.
Really, really good.
Is there anything they couldhave done to get you to a ten?
Uh I don't know.
Um, that's hard to say.
(46:54):
I just don't know.
I I just feel like there's goingto be like a 10 situation.
I just don't know when or whatit is.
I think this is the best X-Menwe've gotten since the Proteus
saga.
I would put this ahead of DarkPhoenix.
SPEAKER_02 (47:13):
Uh I'm I'm on board 100%.
I uh you you're going to explainthe some of the things you like.
So before I get my score, I'lllet you do that.
Sure.
SPEAKER_04 (47:22):
Uh so I think I was just gonna say, you know, really
good story.
I love the whole cutting betweenthe past and the future.
We're introduced to a ton of newcharacters.
We didn't we've kind of barelytalked about Rachel, but like
Rachel's cool too.
Um, she'll come up againeventually.
(47:43):
I don't really know when.
And it's there's a lot of goodsetup as well for you know,
where is this going to lead to?
And I don't think it's likenext, I mean, we know right now
that next issue is not gonna benecessarily an immediate payoff
for some of those uh plotpoints, but we'll pick up those
(48:06):
threads eventually.
SPEAKER_02 (48:07):
Yeah, that I think you put it brilliantly.
This for me was a 10 out of 10.
I don't think I would changeanything, and I also am gonna be
liberal with my 10 out of 10s.
Hmm.
I I think when there's good workthat requires you give it a good
score, and that's what I'm gonnado.
I like I don't know what couldhave made this better.
(48:28):
Uh, the art was great, the storywas fantastic.
You know, we really talked abouthow they fit a lot of story
threads into here, and we had agood chunk of time dedicated to
our summaries because there wasjust so much happening, and it
didn't feel like we were beingbombarded, and it didn't feel
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like what was being presentedwas bad.
So, this for me, 10 out of 10, Ireally, really liked it.
We have all these amazingcharacters that are now being
introduced, a lot of newopportunities for the X-Men to
face evil mutants, which we'vereally haven't seen too much.
And we also have this new storythread where Sebastian Shaw
(49:13):
comes back into the fold.
We have that anti-mutant hatethat's fermenting below the
surface.
And, you know, again, we're kindof seeing humans, as you said,
are now kind of uh becomingmore, I think, mainstream about
their thoughts of not like meliking mutants.
So there's a lot of things thatcan kind of fold out of these
(49:35):
pages, and uh, you know, we areaware of some of that broadly
speaking, or you know, modernday items, but I'm excited to
see these threads play out overthe coming issues, however long
away that might be.
I'm not entirely sure.
But as you said, like I don'tthink we need to jump into it
(49:56):
right away here.
I think just looking at thecover of the next issue, it
looks metal as hell, and I'm allfor a horror-themed Christmas
issue that gives us It'll belike Gremlins.
Don't feed the demon aftermidnight and do not water it.
Anyways, 10 out of 10, loved itbetter than anything I could
(50:19):
have imagined.
Honestly, I'm disappointed thatthe films didn't just give me
this on film.
But besides that, this is waybetter.
And I think everybody involved,like, kudos, you created a
masterpiece.
Great job.
Here's your trophy and goldstar.
Yeah.
Here's my approval 50 yearslater.
(50:40):
Probably all they ever wanted.
I do not think that highly of myopinion.
Uh if if anybody from thecreative team is actually
listening, I want you to knowdeeply everything you've created
is amazing.
You've crushed it.
And give us give us a shout out.
Sponsor us.
SPEAKER_04 (50:59):
Buy us a pizza.
I would take that.
I guess it'd have to be twodifferent pizzas.
I think that's a reasonablerequest.
You could buy a pretty cheappizza.
That's true.
Jack's frozen pizza.
I don't even know what that is.
Oh, I'm wondering.
I'm curious about uh Canadianfrozen pizza brands, but we can
make that a talk for anothertime.
SPEAKER_02 (51:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (51:20):
I think that's a good idea.
I think Wisconsin might be thefrozen pizza capital of the
world.
Really?
Like, I think they produce andeat an extraordinary amount of
frozen pizzas, if I'mremembering correctly.
And part of it is me.
Like, I'm part of the problem,but like in your grocery stores,
(51:42):
is there like a pizza aisle?
Like for frozen pizzas?
Yeah.
Yes.
Like the entire like the entirestretch is just pizza?
SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
Um I think you know, like it's store to store, but
yeah, like I would I would saythat there's like a decent
selection.
SPEAKER_04 (51:57):
Okay.
Cause I've heard tell that uh,you know, people from outside
the state like are impressedwith the the size of how much
like of the grocery store islike dedicated to frozen pizza.
SPEAKER_02 (52:12):
Uh if we ever get a Patreon, we can dedicate an
entire episode towards talkingabout frozen pizza.
I could talk about frozen pizzafor years.
I mean, you're proving the pointthat this is a big thing in
Wisconsin.
SPEAKER_04 (52:27):
Well, it's just I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02 (52:29):
It's an art form.
Now I want to try a frozen pizzafrom Wisconsin.
So if this ever happens, you'regonna have to ship me one
because when I think of frozenpizza, I just think of something
that's sad and makes me want tohave fresh pizza.
SPEAKER_04 (52:44):
It's a spectrum.
Like sometimes you really wantthat like really cheap thin
crust, like three dollar shittysituation.
You know, there are fancierfrozen pizzas, there's some good
ones.
Yeah.
Well, you know, we don't wannawe don't wanna get too far ahead
of ourselves.
You know, we gotta save it forthe eventual frozen pizza
podcast.
(53:04):
Yes, uh frozen delights.
SPEAKER_02 (53:08):
No, that's a terrible name.
We'll think of something better.
SPEAKER_01 (53:10):
Yeah, that's not good.
That is terrible.
That's pretty bad.
SPEAKER_04 (53:17):
So just uh throw in two random things about the
movie, and I think I may havesaid this last time, but one,
Blink is a total MVP of likewhen they're doing the future
stuff, and I wish they wouldhave had a little bit more
future things going on.
They do way more interestingfuture stuff in these actual
books, but Blink is super cool.
(53:39):
I agree.
And there's a moment I reallyappreciated where like the
sentinels are coming and likewithout speaking a word, Magneto
just leaves, and there's kind oflike this tense assumption and
feeling of like, oh, he's gonnago sacrifice himself, and
(54:00):
Charles realizes like this isthe last time he's ever going to
see his friend.
They don't do that, they shouldhave, but like you know, he does
come back, and I think that iskind of a huge storytelling
mistake, but whatever, that's onthem.
Like, they I felt I felt likethey were clearly setting up a
really cool moment, and uh theykind of fumbled the ball.
SPEAKER_02 (54:23):
Yeah, I also was asking myself, like, couldn't
McNeil just down all thoseships?
And then I realized the size ofthem because you see eventually
as they're approaching thisoutpost or wherever the hell
they are, it's a bit weird.
Um, their version of the futurewas very strange looking.
SPEAKER_04 (54:41):
Yeah, it kind of felt like a different planet.
SPEAKER_02 (54:44):
It felt so weird, like it made no sense.
Like if it just felt like uh wedon't want to spend a lot of
money on this, so we're justgoing to throw it on a green
screen, and that'll be the endof it.
Yeah, very, very odd.
Anywho, uh you can see at somepoint in time the sentinels are
on their way towards the X-Menand wherever they're hiding.
(55:07):
And at first you look at themand they're like, okay, there's
a lot of them, but I meanthey're clearly made of metal.
And, you know, they made a pointin the film actually earlier on
that they couldn't be controlledbecause they're not made out of
metal, and then McNeedle cancontrol them anyways.
Regardless, in the future, theycome out and they're actually
(55:28):
they look small compared to theships, uh, the sentinels, and
that really kind of gives youthis breadth of situation, how
large of a threat and how manyof these there are.
I don't know that they reallyhammered that home as well in
the comic, you know, in inshowing us the vast the vastness
(55:51):
of them.
It was just not a ton of them.
You know, it's and I thinkthat's fine.
I think that what they presentedus is totally okay.
Um, but that is something that Ilike about the film that we kind
of get the scope of how manythere are and how widespread it
is.
It is mentioned in the comic,but we don't really see it.
SPEAKER_04 (56:13):
Well, they're probably gearing up for their
invasion of the rest of theworld.
I think you are probably right.
SPEAKER_02 (56:20):
I will also say the sentinels in the film are
absolutely hideous.
I do not like them.
SPEAKER_04 (56:26):
They're terrible.
Both the ones in the past andthe future.
Yeah, they look goofy.
Like they I hate their stupidlittle like wind jets on their
chest.
Yeah.
And then they have like theweird like mystique connection
where it's like, oh, her powerswere the key to unlocking why
(56:46):
the sentinels can't be beat,because they can adapt to every
situation.
Yeah, it's it was just a giantMacGuffin.
And it's like, bro, two moviesago, you killed a mutant who can
adapt to like everything and whocan't be killed.
You killed Darwin.
He can't die though.
(57:07):
Well, apparently he can.
R.A.P.
Rip Darwin.
SPEAKER_02 (57:11):
And I I think that's a good spot for us to pay our
respect and uh send us off.
SPEAKER_04 (57:18):
That does it for this episode of Uncanny Book
Club.
Thanks for listening, and wehope to see you next episode
where we'll discuss issues 143to 145.
Oh ho ho! The next time.
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