May 16, 2025 • 61 mins
In this episode we converse with paranormal author Maxim Furyk about various intriguing topics, including UFOs, Bigfoot, cryptids, and spirituality. Maxim shares his admiration for John Keel and J Allen Hynek and discusses the complexities of scientific validation in paranormal research. The episode emphasizes the importance of personal experiences and community engagement, encouraging listeners to share their stories and connect via social media.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
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that is down below in the show notes, I got
a great show for you tonight. Gentleman's name is Maxim Furick.
He is a paranormal author, and the praise that comes
with this gentleman reading his bio is kind of crazy
because it makes me a little envious. He's been around
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the music industry for a long time and paranormal, but
Doug Hicheck of Monster Quest Fame very high praise from
that gentleman, as he's basically referred to by high Check
as a twenty first century incarnation of John Keel. So
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if you will please give a warm, uncomfortable welcome to
mister Maxim Furick. Maxim, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Thanks Eric. You know those accolades are making me feel
a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Well that's what we do here.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
But well, no, you know, I mean high Check, I
mean speaks for himself, So I mean he's great at
what he does, and for him to say something with
that kind of weight behind it about your work, I
think that says a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, And just to explain that a little bit, you know,
John Keele is like, I'm I'm his biggest fan. But
John Keele was sort of like the Indiana Jones. He
lived the life, you know, he he walked the talk,
and I, you know, haven't had those adventures. But I
think that maybe what Doug was referring to is that
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I'm sort of a bit eclectic, just as John Keel
as John kee was all over the place. He was
diverse with his interest in his book writings and you know,
and then the same thing with me. I mean, I
just dabble in UFOs, in Bigfoot, in cryptids and demonology
and spirituality. I mean, I love it all and all.
(03:46):
I'm I'm like everybody else. I'm just trying to figure
it out.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You know, what's on the other side?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And that's and I mean, we're two peas in a
pod when it comes to that. Because I've said this
a million times and I'm sure everybody's hearing it, but
I was obsessed with UFOs by the age of five.
Van Donikin There's a lot of things to be said
about him and what his what his proof is, and
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what it all meant, but it was pivotal in my
upbringing and my belief system. Throughout the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So and you know, we talk about van donikin just
like we talk about George, talk about Odomski, but van
donikn whether or not his research is accurate and on
the money, you know, despite the fact that he plagiarized
a lot of the stuff that he got, he got
it from other sources. Nevertheless, he hit it out of
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the park. He pressed some of our buttons. I mean,
we love this stuff and the chariots of the gods,
ancient aliens, all of that. I mean, like he went
and started a tsunami, and so many other people have
written books refuting him, but he's still the man. And
again he tapped into something that we all have a
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fascination for. So that was that was his gift. I mean,
call him what you will. You know. The other thing too,
is that just fascinates me, is that we tend to
gravitate more towards pseudoscience than science. The pseudoscience is more exciting.
It helps us fill in the blanks, the gaps. We
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become part of this thing. We become part of this adventure,
as opposed to the scientific realm, where everything's black and white,
pretty much cut in dry and what we do know.
But yeah, yeah, but Eric von Donak and I read
all of his books too, and I shared the same
fascination and I still do. And I just think that
he really pulled pulled something off. And you know, again
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he and.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's been going for how many years? Yeah, I mean
it's not fading away.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You know, you watch Ancient Aliens and it.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
They're gonna say the things they say, right, I mean,
everything's everything's a conspiracy and everything. You know, it's all Aliens,
and you know it's a show.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But the when you boil it down, the stuff that
vand Van Donikan talks about throughout almost forty.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Years probably right, yeah, probably, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Mean the stuff that he talked about so long ago
is still in our face. It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean, you know, you bring up the term pseudoscience,
and to some people that I think that sounds like
a dirty word, you know, like they're somebody's poking fun
at or But I mean, truly it is a pseudoscience.
I mean we don't have an understanding of it. Before
we got on on the air, I was telling you
about some experiences that I had in my personal life.
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There's no explanation for that. I'm a I'm a logical person.
I'm not prone to hysteria. I'm not prone to making
up stories. You know, I had what happened to me
happened to me. And even though I don't have an
explanation for it, well, I think maybe I have a
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better understanding and an ability to kind of explain now
after forty some years. But it's just, you know, like
you talk with Jeff Meldrum, right, he deals in science,
he deals in foot morphology, and you know, he will
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sit there and unequivocably say, something is leaving these tracks
in the woods and people are finding them. Yes, there's
people are out there hoaxing. Yes, there are things that
are out there that are being misinterpreted. Yes there are
bear prints that are double stepping in the same thing
and it looks like a big footprint but it's not.
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But the bottom line is there is something that's leaving
tracks out where somebody should not be walking bare frighted
in in you know, February. So you know those kind
of people, you know, the Cliff Barrickman's and the and
the Jeff Meldrums, They have a little bit easier time
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because they have that crutch that they can lean on
of science, and and I respect that, and I don't
take anything away from that, But when when you start
getting into topics like you know, the things that I've
had happen in you know, with my dad passing and
and the paranormal type stuff, those things aren't easy to
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lean on, and they're not easy to explain, and there's
no experts in it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So what do you do with it?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You know, you have an experience if you can look
at it logically and you can get rid of all
the other extraneous stuff, and you're still left with having
that experience.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think there's something to be said for that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, I agree. You know, Jeff Meldrum just happens to be,
you know, a doctor, you know, a professor, he happens
to be an academic, and so that immediately, you know,
garners him a lot of respect and accolades just because
of what he has gone from. But what about the
average person that's out in the woods looking for sasquatch,
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that sees things and hear things and does the footprints.
I mean, they're just as reputable. They don't have the
degrees after the fames. But I will say this, you
know the I'm a big fan of j Allen Heinek
and Coryributa to Project Grunge, sign Bluebook, all of those.
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He was the He was the go to guy for
the government, a skeptic that came around. But what he
did Heinech did for us was he gave us definitions.
He gave us language. And one of the things that
he talked about was high strangeness and eric just like
what you're talking about the with the sasquatchers that are
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out there, although they never came up with a carcass
or with legitimate DNA, but still we have levels of
high strangers. We have elements of high strangeness, including witnesses
and multiple witnesses, the smell of a bigfoot, usually like
a wet dog, or like a fecal matter or rotten
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eggs or sometimes perfume. We have the sounds, the grunts,
the howls. We have maybe the wood knox. You hit
a tree and at the dead of night, if you
hear another person or another thing answering with that, you
know it's not a squirrel. You know it's not a bear.
So I mean, that's just there's that conjecture that maybe
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it just is a bigfoot. The tracks and everything, so
in itself, those are just like elements of high strainers.
But put together, there's something that I think is reputable,
something that gets my attention, something that maybe the scientific
community doesn't, uh, you know, accept as as definitive proof.
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But still there's something there that the bigfoot community, you know,
has found. They've amassed all this information and you know,
you were talking a little bit, we were talking about pseudoscience,
but even the whole realm of cryptozoology is viewed as
a subset of zoology and also as a pseudoscience only
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because the science scientists don't recognize it as a legitimate,
you know study. But that's okay. There's millions of people
that are seeing things, seeing the same things. And when
you look at that and you look at the behavior
of bigfoot, you know, the shape all of that, you
know there's something there, something that is gripping and something
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that is genuine. We're just looking for the ultimate proofer,
looking for that body or the DNA, and so far
we haven't had any. We've had close calls, but a
lot of the DNA you know, it's from either black
bear or brown bear or Himalaya bears or you know,
or the sun bear or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But or or if it does come back with anything human,
it's considered it's considered contaminated. Yeah, okay, and then and
then it gets thrown out.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah. Well, you know, and on the same realm. You know,
I'm a snowbird. I spend time in Florida and I
spend time in Pennsylvania. But back home, you know, we
have Chestnut Ridge where they have all these UFO and
and bigfoot sightings, and uh, you know, that's just an
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amazing thing. I mean, there's there's you know, I don't know.
I mean it's every every where I look. You know,
there's people. There are these true believers that believe that
there's something going on, and you know, they just want
to be heard. You know. It's just then and again,
getting back to Alan Heineck, he was a skeptic. Everything
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he saw, he just said that it wasn't when someone
when the witness would step forward and say that they
saw flying saucers or orbs, Heineck would be ready, along
with every other government official, saying that it was a
reflection from venus, small marsh gas or the people were
hallucinating or needy or whatever. Heineck came around full circle.
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And this took place after the swamp gas incident in Michigan,
where he's these uh girls at a sorority in Michigan
aw these the crab they saw these flying saucers, and
Heinich went out there to investigate and said that it
was no, it was swamp gas. And the entire political community,
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including Gerald Ford. I think gerald Ford might have been governor,
but he called him out and said, no, what happened
here was legitimate. So Heineck started to be a little
bit more attentive to what he said, and he'd be
started to become more respectful, and he said this, He
said that the scientific community, including myself, has been very
disrespectful to these witnesses, and rather than listening to their
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story and saying what did you see? When did you see? Well,
how did you feel about it? All? You know, doing
the scientific method, he would just discount it. So Heineck
had that epiphany, he had that experience where he became
a true believer and started to add much to the
realm as a scientist, to the realm of uithology, including
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the term high strangeness and also close encounters of the first, second,
and third kind. So he's given us a blueprint and
a template. And you know, all praise to Jay Allen Heineg.
He's one of the greats.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And he had a he had a magnificent goatee.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
He went in front of the United Nations to talk
about he was kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So yeah, yeah, he's uh.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
As a As a child, we were talking earlier, at
around eight maybe nine years old, my godfather bought me
for a Christmas present, bought me a hardcovered.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Blue book of Project blue.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Book, And at that age, I didn't know what the
hell I was reading, you know, it was it was
way over my head, but it was. It was something
that I kept with me and still have it on
a shelf in here somewhere. That I mean, that was
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a significant point in our history as far as being
these types of people who are entertaining these things.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, I look for commonality between Bigfoot and flying saucers.
And by the way, I used the term flying saucers
and UFOs rather than UAPs. It just sounds more.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Earthly to me. You know, I don't like the new terminology.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, I don't either, Yeah, and you know, so you know,
and uh, you know, no offense to the pentagon.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
But but Maxim, let me let me ask you on
that point. So as as as someone who has spent
a good deal of time researching and experiencing high strangeness.
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So I'm going to throw this out to you and
you do with it what you want. But when you
go to a paranormal hotspot, you know, say a haunted location,
one thing that you'll hear often is a knocking on
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the wall or on a door, or on a wood cabinet.
You'll have And now I know the difference between taking
a photograph in a dusty room and getting orbs versus
seeing a true light emanating orb. I had one I
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peer in front of me and my daughter at a
location back when she was about fifteen years old, so
I know what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Different.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So when we start talking about Bigfoot, and so often
you'll hear odd mechanical noises in in the woods around
these things, you know, things that don't sound like they belong.
Everybody reports hearing wood knocks and how many how many
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times do you hear somebody who has had a peripheral
experience of either being around or witnessing a sasquatch or bigfoot,
whatever you want to call them, where there there is
a orb of light that either precedes or is in
the vicinity. So what if what if this is all
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tied together? And what do I mean by that?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Is?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
What if the wood knock? Because to my knowledge, nobody's
ever videotaped a sasquatch walking up to a tree with
a big stick and slamming it against a tree. What
if that sound is a peripheral effect of of these things,
whether it be flying saucers or bigfoot or other cryptids.
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What if it's a peripheral effect of them coming into
our ability to perceive them. What if that's an What
if that's an effect, not necessarily an action that somebody is,
you know, a bigfoot is smacking wood against wood to
get that noise. What if the lights that so many
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people report in conjunction with craft sightings, the small lights
that seem to jet around and be a separate entity
from the craft, what if those things are all related.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well, that's juicy stuff. I know, I definitely want to
go and respond to that. What if bigfoot and flying
saucers travel through an interdimensional pathway. And Jacques Ohla was
the one who said a while back that the extra
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terrestrial hypotheses doesn't work anymore. You know, it doesn't make
sense to envision the space brothers going trillions of light
years from their planet to ours. Takes too much time,
too much energy, too much everything. Nobody has that technological
sophisticated know how. Nobody. So when Einstein and Rosen talked
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about the bridge theory and they said, if you could
fold the space time continuum and just go have a
bridge or what was later called a wormhole, that sort
of makes sense. Jaques Ohla talked about that a lot
of people have, but I believe that Bigfoot and flying
saucers travel through an interdimensional pathway. But following up what
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you said, Eric, and that's pretty interesting, Let's just say
the when Bigfoot comes from dimension A to our dimension
that you hear a knock, it's almost like a sound,
like an introductory sound, that they're coming there. What if
the smell, that horrible smell, comes from the other dimension
and we're smelling that. So that's one thing I think
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that we need to go and just take a look
at it. And again nobody knows. But all we're doing
is we're putting up hypotheses, take a look at it,
see if it makes sense, and then go from there.
Just like Jacquehala said that that extraterrestrial hypotheses doesn't work anymore,
it's just too primitive to our cane, doesn't make sense.
(21:43):
We've moved on from that. But I think we need
to go and take a look at other possibilities and
wait for the scientific community to go and give us
something of substance that would go And you validate this,
but yeah, I agree with you. I think that when
they traverse that that dimension, that parallel universe, I think
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that they bring with them sights and sounds and smells,
and that that may be some of the things that
were that we're saying. I believe that both Bigfoot and
the UFOs have some sort of a supernatural paranormal essence,
whatever that is. And people that I talk to that
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communicate with Bigfoot, they talk that They say that Bigfoot
can communicate telepathically, that Bigfoot doesn't walk, but it glides,
that it doesn't reflect lights light, but it emits light.
That you see them in front of you, then behind
you that it has what's called rapid transport, that that
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Bigfoot could go and go from the tangible to the intangible.
So there's a whole lot of speculation.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well, if there's any truth to.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Native American lore as far as they are concerned, they've
always been referenced as being able to.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
One foot in our world one foot in their world. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Spiritually. Yeah, And that's interesting too, because we didn't hear
about Bigfoot until I mean until nineteen fifty eight. They
had the big article in the Humble Times morthern California.
So all these people started to write into the Humble
I mean thousands of people. This was big news nineteen
fifty eight. They started to write letters saying that yes,
I believe in the Californian abominable snow man. Yes I
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have seen this creature Bigfoot. They put it on the
wire service. It went around the world. It became huge.
It hasn't stopped since then, nineteen nineteen fifty eight. So
that was the shot that was heard around the world.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
But I mean so much so now it is synonymous
with pop culture.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Exactly, and then it's that whole tapestry, the fabric, So
pop culture is part of it. But we found out
in fifty eight that this wasn't anything new. This might
have been new for the white man, but you know,
the coastal peoples in British Columbia knew about Sasquatch for
thousands of years. And how do we know that, Well,
with the totem polls and the stories and the songs.
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They believe that to see Sasquatch was a sacred event.
They believed that Sasquatch was the protector of the environment.
They there was a lot of really good things, you know,
that they would say about Sasquatch the protector. One thing, though,
I'll say, I remember when I was researching.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
My book The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, which by the way,
is the reason we're here to talk about, and we
will get to it, I promise.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
It or not whatever you know this is, or we
could do it another time. But anyway, in the Lost
Types of Bigfoot, there are a couple of things of interest.
But there was a guy named Albert Osman. This was
nineteen twenty four, and Osman he was a Swedish Canadian
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hunter trapper and something was messing around with his campsite,
so he decided he was They were stealing food and
leaving tracks and all kinds of things. He decided to
hide inside his sleeping bag with a rifle. He was
going to jump up and shoot the bad guy. And
what happened was something picked him up and he fell asleep.
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They carried him for miles and he woke up and
here he was with a family of sasquats, like a mother, father, son,
and daughter, and they were just watching him. They were
very they were very inquisitive. The daughter fed him sweet grass.
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But at some point Albert Osman felt that they were
going to use him to have sex, they were going
to use him to procreate, so he freaked out and
he had to make a plan. So he had chewing tobacca.
He enticed the older sasquatch to try the chewing tobacca.
The sasquatch got sick, got nauseous. Osman took off and
didn't say anything. He wasn't looking for publicity. And then
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there were articles in the British Columbia about this sasquatch creature.
Osmen went to see John Green, who was a British
Columbia journalist, and he was also one of the original
four Horsemen of sasquatchery and he took Osman's account. Now
this was before computers, before microfiche, before we could go
(26:46):
on Google Bigfoot and have a description and all this.
So Albert Osman his recollections were based on what he
saw in nineteen twenty four, and John Green believed he
was telling the truth. The things that are unique about
this was that it was the only known abduction by
a Sasquatch that I've ever heard of. It was a
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represent a description of what the Sasquatch family would look
like and how they acted. It was he said that
there was no smell. And if that smell is maybe
zigzagging in between the dimensions, or if it's used for
a weapon, maybe to chase people away, or maybe the
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perfume smell to entice them whatever, there was no smell
at all with Albert Osman. So again they weren't trying
to scare him or anything else. But John Green believed
that he was telling the truth. And you know, to
this day, Albert Osman's description holds up. Now, the other
thing that's interesting with Albert Osman, this was one and done.
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Flash forward to nineteen sixty one with Betty and Barney Hill.
You know, they're traveling through the White Hills of of
New Hampshire and they had missing time. So they went
to the psychiatrist from Boston and he does the regressive hypnosism,
finds out that Betty and Barney lost time and possibly
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had been abducted aboard this craft and probed and all
the other stuff. That opened up the floodgates. With Albert
Ossman and the Bigfoot abduction, there was only one time deal,
but with Betty and Barney Hill, this opened up the
floodgates and it became another aspect of uithology, another chapter
with people like John Mack from Harvard and Whitney Striver
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and all these other people that came forward and said, yes,
I too have been abducted and probed and taken aboard
the saucers. So this and this thing became. You know,
they had piggybacked on Heineck's close encounters and that became
close encounters of the fourth kind where they were actually abducted.
So again Heinek gave us the template. But Osman and
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Betty and Barney Hill and all the rest are part
of this what I call the tapestry that and I
think that the Bigfoot and UFOs are just so interconnected.
And that's the exciting thing. I think that's really exciting
to me.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It excites it is And you bring up John Mack
and uh, I'll tell you the the amount of hours
that I have spent going back and watching the interviews
with the children from U.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Zimbabwe, the Aerial School.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Just the the number of children who saw what they saw,
the consistency with which they relayed the experience, and excuse me,
and now so many years later with some of the
adults who are now coming out and saying, you know,
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we never should have we never should have questioned those kids,
because what we remember is what the kids are saying.
You know, they've They've got the one the one kid
that says that he manufactured the whole thing, and you
know it was it was all a ruse on his part.
But I've listened to enough of him that I'm not
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buying what that kid is selling. I call him a kid.
He's a full grown adult now. But it's just what
a what an incredible story and the amount of evidence
because of their testimonies, and it's just it's staggering.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, I have this thing that I conjured up. I
don't know exactly where I got it, but I call
it the the universal rule of ninety So instead of
one hundred percent, it's ninety percent. Like for example, with
something like saywell, thirty percent of the people believe it happened.
They're the true believers, thirty percent don't believe, and then
thirty percent are on the bias. They're either way, you know,
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they could be swayed. And I think that works with
most things, you know, thirty thirty and thirty, like for example,
your podcast, I would say that or my books that
maybe thirty percent of the universe loves us. They want
to help us, they love our life, they like what
we represent. Thirty percent don't like us for whatever reason, jealousy, territory, whatever,
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you know, whatever that is. But thirty percent just don't
like the way you look, the way you sound, the
way you come across. You're too arrogant, you're too opinionated,
You to this, year, to that. And then another thirty
percent are out there, you know, worrying about other things
other than you know, Eric and Maxim. So I think
that's the way of the world. I think that's how
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it is. But we represent that thirty or that sixty
percent of the people that believe or are looking for
the truth. And I think that's the exciting thing about
the paranormal, you know, trying to define the parameters, where
it begins, where it ends, and it's almost like talk therapy,
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you know when Young and Freud developed talk therapy. You know,
if you have this, I'm looking for something. If you
have this, I'm gonna use my box from Bermuda.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
If you have this.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Little thing that represents some trauma from your childhood, you know,
some horrible stuff that happened and you didn't cause it,
but it happened, and you're safe now. But Freud and
Young will talk about if you talked about this, you
give this thing a beginning and end, You give it parameters,
and you could put it over there on the side
where even though it's part of your background, part of
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your resume, it doesn't have to control you. So you
just put it over there. And I think that with
the paranormal, well, all we're trying to do, or maybe
the best we can do, is start to define those parameters,
you know, the beginning and end, the depth, the height,
you know, the time, all this stuff. So I think
that's the exciting thing about being a you know, I mean,
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I call myself a researcher only because I'm trying to
come up with with the definitions and vocabulary. I mean,
you know, I have seen flying saucers. I have seen
numerous flying saucers. But that's the extent of my experience.
You know, you know, you know, I think that some people,
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maybe such as yourself, are fortunate. You're probably gifted and
blessed with some sort of an altered state of perception
where maybe your vibration is higher, maybe your you know,
your your level of consciousness is higher. Maybe you're able
to tap into these things that are there, that are
always there, that can be seen, but only certain people
(33:57):
can see them. So, you know, I wish I had
that ability. You know, I think my life is too busy,
too much white noise, all that.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, I like the way you phrase that, because I
think they're At times it feels like my eyes are
open wider, and I you know, I mean this could
be because of the way I was raised.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You know, my parents.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
When I talk about UFOs, they were never they were not. Yeah, yeah,
let's talk about UFOs. They weren't They weren't that but
they never pooh pooed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, any of it
as well.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
They allowed you to consider it, okay.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, they never shut me down.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
And I mean, you know, looking back on it, I
mean that's something I definitely appreciate about how they raised me.
You know, I've been the same way with my children,
my son and my daughter. You know, they're they're late
twenties now, and and they're both the same. You know,
my daughter's got a little alien tattoo on the knuckle
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of her one just because she's like, every time you
turned down the TV, it had to be something about
Bigfoot or something about UFOs, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
So, I mean what you did her on her knuckle,
that's a commitment.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yes, yes, it is. I wanted to ask you when,
you know, when we start talking about this topic, and
and it always seems to have to go this way,
but there's a very divisive community when it comes to
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whether to consider the WU aspects, you know, the supernatural
or the paranormal aspects of of either of these, you know,
probably more leaning towards Bigfoot. What has your experience been
as far as your research in in the writing of
your book, is that is that something that's really pretty
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prevalent or is that a little more scarce than one
would think.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
No, it's prevalent, and I'm glad you brought that up,
that WU factor. You know, I'm in contact with a
number of Moufon organizations on on the East Coast, and
by the book, they don't like to talk about that
WU factor. That's something they stray away from. However, I
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think the majority of them believe that it's there, that
there's something inter dimensional, something supernatural, paranormal, whatever, you know,
connected to to saucers. So I think that that's part
of But with my own personal experience, I know that
there's a lot of these, you know, and especially in
western Pennsylvania, there's there's just a plethora of bigfoot experts
(36:53):
and researchers and bigfoot campouts and expos I mean, we
are nabilizing ourselves. There's one every other weekend. I mean,
we're ready, We're almost at the point of just tapping out.
I mean, there's just a point that diminishing returns. You know,
there's there's comes a point where just it's nobody's going
to show up. So but anyway, that's that's what they're doing.
(37:16):
But some of these guys are flesh and blood guys,
and they don't like people like me. They think that
I'm sort of like me. I don't know. I don't
if they think I'm just some sort of a condescending academic.
But I've been called doctor wo I've been you know,
been called a wooer. But you know, there's nothing wrong
(37:37):
with exploring that because after all of these years of
searching for the abominable Snowman and Yetti and Almas and Sasquatch,
where is it? Where's the proof? Well, we don't have any.
And if you don't, and I claim, if there's no proof,
if there's no flesh and blood, then what's another option?
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So it just makes more sense. It's just logical to
look at something else, like an inter dimensional theory for
maybe being the method that Bigfoot and UFO's you know travel.
So that's my theory. I share that with a lot
of other people, and I know a lot of these Sasquatches,
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these flesh and blood guys that are starting to come
over to my side because they realize that they're not
coming up with anything.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Well, that's the thing, because you start to talk to
somebody and they'll get they'll they'll give you the story
that you know, they saw something peeking out from behind
a tree, or they heard heavy footfalls, or they heard this,
or they saw that. But then when nobody else is around,
they'll be like, hey, have you ever have you ever
seen the light the lights moving through the woods.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You know, there's there's also a prejudice too, I think that,
you know, Like, I mean, I'm I'm proud of my background.
I'm proud of my educational background I worked hard.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
For and will you should be.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, but there's a lot of people that are out
there bashing academics, you know, for the wrong reasons, and
that probably because they're just jealous or whatever. I'm not
sure what. But but what I want to do is this.
I want to go and elevate, you know, the genre
the paranormal to a place where maybe the scientific community
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and the public at large is more accepting and believes
it more so. I mean, I think if you articulate,
if you speak the King's English, if you if you
can describe some of these things, if you can show
you know some well, we don't have any evidence, but
I mean, if you could go and just look at
some of the uh, the information that's out there and
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talk about it logically and and make it understandable. Then
you're doing something that's good for the order. And I've
been on a ton of podcasts and I'll tell you,
I mean, yours is a good one. I've been on
some with some of these guys can't even put two
sentences together. And these are these are our people. They're
the ambassadors of the paranormal. No, come on, you know,
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I mean, talk the talk. You know, you know, we're
you know, you know, you know, don't dumb it down.
And but there's a war going on in in the
in sasquatry. A lot of the Bigfoot people don't like
each other. They bash each other and just it's just
it's horrible. And you don't you don't see this, and
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still you until you start getting to know them and
having the chat with them and you see exactly what's
going on. So whatever I'm I'm staying out of that pray.
I mean, if you like me, fine, if you don't,
that's fine too. But you know, you know, and if
you want to call me doctor Wull.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
You know, I mean, you make you make a great
point there. There is a divisive culture. You have you
have really great people, and then you have the people
who earnestly believe that their way is the right and
only way, and that you know they they've got it
nailed down. They know what it is, how it happens,
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where it is, what it does, you know, and if
if you're going to call yourself an expert, I think
there's levels of being able to say you're an expert
at something, but you know this, this is so it's
been around for so long, yet it's still so new
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to us.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
And our understanding of it. You know.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I like what you say, as far as you know,
might might My thoughts have changed so much from being
a young a young adolescent as far as UFOs and
Bigfoot are concerned, to what those thoughts are now, I've
I've gone, I've run the gambit, but I think you
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know where my brain is now. I am in total
agreement with you as far as these are, these are interconnected.
Not necessarily that Bigfoot is the golden retriever for the
alien grays, That's not what I'm saying. But there is
an interconnected you know, whether it's the way they get
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here or how they traverse from from their dimension to ours.
It does make much more sense now that these these
cultures are not traveling trillions of miles at light speed.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
To get here.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
They may just be right next door and we just
can't perceive them.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
And you know, in it just makes so much more
sense to me.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Maybe maybe it's because it's easier to believe. I don't know,
I could be completely wrong, but you know, you know,
like what what you're doing with your your research, and
and I've been I've been critical of some specific person
people and and I really shouldn't be because when I
(43:11):
use the word the words weekend warrior to me that
I'm not snubbing anybody. I think that what I do
in this, in this in this arena is important. I
think what you'd bring to the table is important. I
think the guy who can only afford to go out
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one day or one weekend a month with a camera
strapped to his back and you know, do what he
can do, I think that's important as as important as
what Jeff Meldrum has has brought to the table. And
you know, I think as a community, we're all stronger
when each one of us is doing our own little thing.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
But you know it, in this day of AI.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
With the the the almost inability to tell the difference
between real and fake because some you know, I mean,
it's only been around for a little while, and it's
already gotten to the point where you can barely tell,
you know, if you're having the wool pulled over your
eyes or if if it's legit. It's making it so
(44:26):
much more difficult.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And let me just jump in here. I I have
fellow author's friends who are writers who are using AI
to write their books, and I think that is a travesty.
I think that's almost a sin. You know, that's a
horrible thing, and you know that's just so wrong. But
it's so easy for them to do it, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
It's it's pretty disingenuous.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, man, man, I want to say something else. I mean,
this AI is a wonderful topic, but you mentioned levels,
and I was just thinking. We have the sasquatchers, the
guys that go out into the you know, they camp
out and they look for Bigfoot, and they're the true believers,
you know, they want to they're the flesh and blood.
(45:11):
Then there's guys like me, the academics that are looking
for proof in other ways. There's another level too, and
I think they're the what would you call then maybe
the experiencers, the witnesses, the ones who claim that they
communicate with Bigfoot telepathically, that Bigfoot is the teacher, and
they're the students. That Bigfoot gives them gifts, that Bigfoot
(45:35):
likes apples and corn, that Bigfoot like certain kinds of music,
and you get this whole narrative. And you know, I've
done you know, I do a ton of podcasts, and
I get some of this stuff from the guys, especially
from Canada and British Columbia, that tell me this and
(45:55):
that they're friends with Bigfoot. So I mean, that's like
a third level. I can't, you know, say anything about
that because because I don't know, it's not my experience.
But they sound very credible, and they certainly come across
as being very enthused and and credible. But I I
(46:16):
just don't know, But that could be another It's the
realm in between, you know, it's the people that actually
make that connection.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
So yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
It that is uh well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
When when it comes to the WU that that is
probably I may be wrong, but that that specific part
may be one of the most down downlooked uh, you
know people that that's too too crazy for people to
(46:54):
wrap their head around that some other, some other creature
could be communicating telepathically and and giving giving Uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
But you know, I say this all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
If if you're gonna ignore any part of this, then
you're not doing It's a disservice because if you if
you're not going, if you're gonna throw this part out
because that's crazy. Nobody's ever that's not real. But there
is uh seven to seven to nine foot tall, hairy
(47:36):
bipedal stronger than shit, you know, something flexing out in
the in the woods, you know, making crazy noises and
stuff like that that I can believe. But some you
they can't talk to you in your brain.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
When I first heard about the connection between Bigfoot and
flying saucer or falling saucers or orbs, I thought it
was crazy, didn't believe it. I mean just couldn't and
wrap my hands around, my arms around it. But in
western Pennsylvania and Chestnut Ridge, that's where we have the
majority of sightings. And this guy Stan Gordon, I don't
(48:11):
know if you're familiar with Stan, Okay, well, Stan is
the one who pretty much has been documenting all of
this stuff, and Stan's narrative is pretty much dry and
boring and academic. It's like watching well wallpaper dry. But
phil he has tons and tons and tons of sightings
(48:31):
and typically like farmer and missus Brown went out to
the barn at six o'clock at night to feed the
cow and they saw a bigfoot emerge from an orb
and Stan Gordon has tons and tons of reports like that.
They're all the same. It started around nineteen seventy three
(48:52):
when we started to see the connection between bigfoot and
flying saucers, and again that lends me to believe that
there's a parent paranormal aspect to both both of these,
whether Bigfoot is emerging from a saucer or whether you know,
the saucer lands and takes Bigfoot and takes them away.
(49:12):
But Stan Gordon has been able to document so much
of this, and we're really blessed in Pennsylvania, especially Western Pennsylvania,
with all of these gatekeepers that are keeping tabs of this,
because let's face it, there's no single source, no single
group that keeps tabs on all this stuff. Right, you know,
(49:35):
Pennsylvania and or Florida are number three as far as
the Bigfoot sightings, you know, after California and Washington, and
I've seen Pennsylvania as number three with Bigfoot and Florida
as number three with the skunk Gate. But again, there's
no FBI CIA group that keeps count on this. So
(49:56):
it's guys like you and I that talk about this.
And you know, I'll tell you what, Bigfoot and skunk
Cape is big business down in Florida. I mean, like
I have book signings, I have standing room only people coming,
not because of Maxim Surig, but because a big Foot
of that song. Yeah, that's the way that works. I
(50:19):
wish it was that way, but but there's just a
real hunger and interest. And this is young people and
older people. I mean, they just want to find out.
They want to know what's going on. So you know
that's you know, Bigfoot's tapped into our psyche, just as
flying saucers out.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
And the best thing you can do is to have
an open mind and stay intrigued about these things.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
I really believe that.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Keeping a healthy, active interest in these topics is.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah, it's what we need to do.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, I know. I was talking to Ron Murphy a
couple of years ago, he's a Western Pennsylvania bigfoot researcher,
and I was asking Ron about the night about twenty
twenty three Colorado train bigfoot siding, and there was a
video this this newlywed couple were having their anniversary. They
were on a train and somebody shot what looked like
(51:21):
a bigfoot. Some people thought it was a un somebody
in a gilly suit, you know, had sneaking up on,
you know, so that they could sneak up on caribou
and or the elk. But anyway, I was talking to
Ron Murphy about it and whether he believed it was
true or false, and he said, you know, in the end,
it doesn't really matter because it gives us an opportunity
(51:44):
to take a look at that and look at the
different facts. And that I thought was just a great
way to phrase it, because you know, I called number
of people and asked them what they thought, and you know,
some people believe it was real, some people thought it
was a hoax. Didn't matter. I mean, all we had
was a time little video, so you couldn't really base
any kind of conclusion on that. But I liked what
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Ron Murphy said.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
But to that video, the one person that I did
end up having a conversation with about that video, did
confide in me that and whether this is.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
True or not.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I was never able to find the name of this place,
if it existed or what. But there was some kind
of an adventure camp that was very close to where
that was filmed. And he suggested that that was a
paid member who was in that area so that the
(52:45):
train would somebody on the train would see him. That
seems like a bit of a stretch, but.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Well, tell you if that was me that took that video,
the first thing I would do is I would take
it to some university, some side science department to have
them authenticated and look at it and validate it and
vet it and all that, you know. I mean, I
would really be proud of that thing. So I don't
know who shot it because they're not around. They didn't
they didn't come forward, So I'm thinking it might have
(53:15):
been a little bit of you know, hokey pokey there,
So it could have been who knows.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
That's the other thing that makes us so.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Entertaining, you know, on top of the investigative part of
it and the research part.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
And I did want to say this, you know, we
talk about Bigfoot as being exciting and dynamic and fascinating
and all this stuff. You know, there was when I
was researching the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, there was an
article by this guy from the New York Times and
is Bigfoot Real? And he talked about how boring Bigfoot
(53:52):
is because in all of these accounts, Bigfoot just sort
of looks at us and then runs away. They're shy,
they're reclusive.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
They they don't attack and charge. The only account I
ever heard of Bigfoot killing somebody was Teddy Roosevelt. He
wrote a book and there was an extensive chapter about that.
But other than that, Bigfoot seems to stay away from us.
They're you know, they shy away from us. And and
(54:23):
you know why not. I mean, if if Bigfoot of
the Grays are watching us, I mean, what a man,
What a horrible example we are of looking thing. I mean,
we're destroying the planet. We're destroying each other. Uh, India
and Pakistan, who have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Are going at it.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
I think, come on, you know, you know, human beings.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
You know, we truly are the cancer on this planet.
Yeah yeah, and it's sad to say, but good lord,
but you.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Know, it starts, you know, whenever I get really discouraged
about the state of uh, the state of the union,
you know, and a the thing, the bad things happening,
I just, you know, like I'll say that, well, it's
not me and it's not you. At least we're making
a difference rich you know, compassionate and altruistic and doing
the right thing, and maybe also being the voice of moderation,
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you know, not not hysteria, but moderation and just taking
a look at the facts as we know them. So
I don't know, but I mean, I think we're all
fellow travelers or on the journey. We don't know what
the destination is going to be. But the thing that
we share in common is that we have spirit guides
(55:39):
and guardian angels and ancestors that go with us on
this journey. And then with guys like me, I have
a chance to meet exciting, interesting guys like you along
the way. So you know, and the thing about that
is that what you're doing for me is you're just saying,
you know, you're heading in the right direction. Out a boy,
keep on going. So that's all we need. We just
(56:00):
need that validation. One person saying you know, I think
you're doing all right, you know, so just keep it going.
I mean, that's all, that's all you can ask for.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
And you know, as far as this state of the Union,
the state of the world, you know, it's it's headed
for the shitter, it really is.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
But but there is a segment that I truly think,
I truly believe that there is an awakening that is happening.
And whether you want to call that a spiritual awakening
or you know, whatever context you want to put it into,
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there is a segment of the population in this world
whose eyes are being open to things that they might
not have been open to a few years ago. I
hope it continues, and I hope at some point we
get we get onto the right track because the nukes
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and the Pakistan and India and Russia and the Ukraine
and all the all the other turmoil is just it's
just senseless.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Well, I don't feel that we have a steady hand.
I don't think we have a study leadership. And that's
scar spam. I mean, that's you know, So as a
former Vietnam veteran, and.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Thank you for your service, Okay, you're.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Welcome, But anyway, listen when on that dire note. My
next book is going to be The Paranormal Apocalypse Is
this how it ends? And there's a gray interesting like
that grim Reaper, and there's an hour glass and the
skulls and author of the Shepton Mythology.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Tell me within that picture are are there human skulls
and alien skulls?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (58:02):
I think together.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
They're just human skulls. I had an idea, I had
a concept for this, and then I told Hanger One,
you know, Doug Hicheck's people, and they had their graphic
designer put it together. So I'm working on the book.
I'm hoping to have it done this summer. I mean,
I will have it done this summer. But I talk
about how fear controls and we are afraid. We're like lemmings,
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and fear of fear from religious groups, political groups, whatever.
They like to keep us in fear because because then
they can control us.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
So that's that's the easiest way to do it.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah, So Paranormal Apocalypse is this how it ends? But
I mean, what do you think of that cover?
Speaker 3 (58:45):
I like it. I like it a lot.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's going to be in just black
and white and shades of gray, so.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
I like it. Well, listen, we're a little bit over.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
I know we talked about staying around an hour and
I had a little bit of a fuba at the beginning.
But let's uh, let's close out. Tell us The Lost
Tribes a Bigfoot by Maxim Furick. Where is it available?
Give me a website, personal website, how people can find you.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, if they want to buy The Lost Tribes of
Bigfoot or Cole Region, Whodo or any of my other books,
you could look up Maxim Furick if you are e
K on Amazon dot com and there's you know, read
some of the reviews and you know, you could get
it there. Or you could if you want to autograph copy,
just hit me up on my website www dot Maximfuric
(59:41):
dot com and just we could connect and I could
be glad to go and uh, you know, provide you
with an assigned copy, which would.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Be That's where I'm going. Yeah, I want to sign copy.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah, that would be the best thing for me. But Eric,
thanks so much for the nice conversation. I mean it
had flow. We went back and forth and yeah, yeah,
you kept me on track and did not let me
babble on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
So that was good.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Well, I know this is tippy, it's a little shorter
than what we normally do, but we always like to
leave people wanting more, and I think with tonight's episode,
I think we did that maximum.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I want to thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It's been a pleasure talking to you, a pleasure meeting you,
a lively conversation. I loved it, and honestly, truly I
would love to do this again with you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Okay, let's let's talk about that and we could book
something for for for the near future. That would be great.
So yeah, thank you so much, Eric, and I hope
your listeners enjoyed our chat.
Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I'm sure they will. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Good night, and as I say, always stay uncomfortable. Good
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that is down below in the show notes, I got
a great show for you tonight. Gentleman's name is Maxim Furick.
He is a paranormal author, and the praise that comes
with this gentleman reading his bio is kind of crazy
because it makes me a little envious. He's been around
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the music industry for a long time and paranormal, but
Doug Hicheck of Monster Quest Fame very high praise from
that gentleman, as he's basically referred to by high Check
as a twenty first century incarnation of John Keel. So
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if you will please give a warm, uncomfortable welcome to
mister Maxim Furick. Maxim, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Thanks Eric. You know those accolades are making me feel
a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Well that's what we do here.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
But well, no, you know, I mean high Check, I
mean speaks for himself, So I mean he's great at
what he does, and for him to say something with
that kind of weight behind it about your work, I
think that says a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, And just to explain that a little bit, you know,
John Keele is like, I'm I'm his biggest fan. But
John Keele was sort of like the Indiana Jones. He
lived the life, you know, he he walked the talk,
and I, you know, haven't had those adventures. But I
think that maybe what Doug was referring to is that
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I'm sort of a bit eclectic, just as John Keel
as John kee was all over the place. He was
diverse with his interest in his book writings and you know,
and then the same thing with me. I mean, I
just dabble in UFOs, in Bigfoot, in cryptids and demonology
and spirituality. I mean, I love it all and all.
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I'm I'm like everybody else. I'm just trying to figure
it out.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You know, what's on the other side?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And that's and I mean, we're two peas in a
pod when it comes to that. Because I've said this
a million times and I'm sure everybody's hearing it, but
I was obsessed with UFOs by the age of five.
Van Donikin There's a lot of things to be said
about him and what his what his proof is, and
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what it all meant, but it was pivotal in my
upbringing and my belief system. Throughout the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So and you know, we talk about van donikin just
like we talk about George, talk about Odomski, but van
donikn whether or not his research is accurate and on
the money, you know, despite the fact that he plagiarized
a lot of the stuff that he got, he got
it from other sources. Nevertheless, he hit it out of
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the park. He pressed some of our buttons. I mean,
we love this stuff and the chariots of the gods,
ancient aliens, all of that. I mean, like he went
and started a tsunami, and so many other people have
written books refuting him, but he's still the man. And
again he tapped into something that we all have a
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fascination for. So that was that was his gift. I mean,
call him what you will. You know. The other thing too,
is that just fascinates me, is that we tend to
gravitate more towards pseudoscience than science. The pseudoscience is more exciting.
It helps us fill in the blanks, the gaps. We
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become part of this thing. We become part of this adventure,
as opposed to the scientific realm, where everything's black and white,
pretty much cut in dry and what we do know.
But yeah, yeah, but Eric von Donak and I read
all of his books too, and I shared the same
fascination and I still do. And I just think that
he really pulled pulled something off. And you know, again
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he and.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's been going for how many years? Yeah, I mean
it's not fading away.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You know, you watch Ancient Aliens and it.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
They're gonna say the things they say, right, I mean,
everything's everything's a conspiracy and everything. You know, it's all Aliens,
and you know it's a show.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But the when you boil it down, the stuff that
vand Van Donikan talks about throughout almost forty.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Years probably right, yeah, probably, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Mean the stuff that he talked about so long ago
is still in our face. It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean, you know, you bring up the term pseudoscience,
and to some people that I think that sounds like
a dirty word, you know, like they're somebody's poking fun
at or But I mean, truly it is a pseudoscience.
I mean we don't have an understanding of it. Before
we got on on the air, I was telling you
about some experiences that I had in my personal life.
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There's no explanation for that. I'm a I'm a logical person.
I'm not prone to hysteria. I'm not prone to making
up stories. You know, I had what happened to me
happened to me. And even though I don't have an
explanation for it, well, I think maybe I have a
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better understanding and an ability to kind of explain now
after forty some years. But it's just, you know, like
you talk with Jeff Meldrum, right, he deals in science,
he deals in foot morphology, and you know, he will
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sit there and unequivocably say, something is leaving these tracks
in the woods and people are finding them. Yes, there's
people are out there hoaxing. Yes, there are things that
are out there that are being misinterpreted. Yes there are
bear prints that are double stepping in the same thing
and it looks like a big footprint but it's not.
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But the bottom line is there is something that's leaving
tracks out where somebody should not be walking bare frighted
in in you know, February. So you know those kind
of people, you know, the Cliff Barrickman's and the and
the Jeff Meldrums, They have a little bit easier time
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because they have that crutch that they can lean on
of science, and and I respect that, and I don't
take anything away from that, But when when you start
getting into topics like you know, the things that I've
had happen in you know, with my dad passing and
and the paranormal type stuff, those things aren't easy to
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lean on, and they're not easy to explain, and there's
no experts in it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So what do you do with it?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You know, you have an experience if you can look
at it logically and you can get rid of all
the other extraneous stuff, and you're still left with having
that experience.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think there's something to be said for that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, I agree. You know, Jeff Meldrum just happens to be,
you know, a doctor, you know, a professor, he happens
to be an academic, and so that immediately, you know,
garners him a lot of respect and accolades just because
of what he has gone from. But what about the
average person that's out in the woods looking for sasquatch,
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that sees things and hear things and does the footprints.
I mean, they're just as reputable. They don't have the
degrees after the fames. But I will say this, you
know the I'm a big fan of j Allen Heinek
and Coryributa to Project Grunge, sign Bluebook, all of those.
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He was the He was the go to guy for
the government, a skeptic that came around. But what he
did Heinech did for us was he gave us definitions.
He gave us language. And one of the things that
he talked about was high strangeness and eric just like
what you're talking about the with the sasquatchers that are
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out there, although they never came up with a carcass
or with legitimate DNA, but still we have levels of
high strangers. We have elements of high strangeness, including witnesses
and multiple witnesses, the smell of a bigfoot, usually like
a wet dog, or like a fecal matter or rotten
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eggs or sometimes perfume. We have the sounds, the grunts,
the howls. We have maybe the wood knox. You hit
a tree and at the dead of night, if you
hear another person or another thing answering with that, you
know it's not a squirrel. You know it's not a bear.
So I mean, that's just there's that conjecture that maybe
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it just is a bigfoot. The tracks and everything, so
in itself, those are just like elements of high strainers.
But put together, there's something that I think is reputable,
something that gets my attention, something that maybe the scientific
community doesn't, uh, you know, accept as as definitive proof.
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But still there's something there that the bigfoot community, you know,
has found. They've amassed all this information and you know,
you were talking a little bit, we were talking about pseudoscience,
but even the whole realm of cryptozoology is viewed as
a subset of zoology and also as a pseudoscience only
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because the science scientists don't recognize it as a legitimate,
you know study. But that's okay. There's millions of people
that are seeing things, seeing the same things. And when
you look at that and you look at the behavior
of bigfoot, you know, the shape all of that, you
know there's something there, something that is gripping and something
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that is genuine. We're just looking for the ultimate proofer,
looking for that body or the DNA, and so far
we haven't had any. We've had close calls, but a
lot of the DNA you know, it's from either black
bear or brown bear or Himalaya bears or you know,
or the sun bear or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But or or if it does come back with anything human,
it's considered it's considered contaminated. Yeah, okay, and then and
then it gets thrown out.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah. Well, you know, and on the same realm. You know,
I'm a snowbird. I spend time in Florida and I
spend time in Pennsylvania. But back home, you know, we
have Chestnut Ridge where they have all these UFO and
and bigfoot sightings, and uh, you know, that's just an
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amazing thing. I mean, there's there's you know, I don't know.
I mean it's every every where I look. You know,
there's people. There are these true believers that believe that
there's something going on, and you know, they just want
to be heard. You know. It's just then and again,
getting back to Alan Heineck, he was a skeptic. Everything
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he saw, he just said that it wasn't when someone
when the witness would step forward and say that they
saw flying saucers or orbs, Heineck would be ready, along
with every other government official, saying that it was a
reflection from venus, small marsh gas or the people were
hallucinating or needy or whatever. Heineck came around full circle.
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And this took place after the swamp gas incident in Michigan,
where he's these uh girls at a sorority in Michigan
aw these the crab they saw these flying saucers, and
Heinich went out there to investigate and said that it
was no, it was swamp gas. And the entire political community,
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including Gerald Ford. I think gerald Ford might have been governor,
but he called him out and said, no, what happened
here was legitimate. So Heineck started to be a little
bit more attentive to what he said, and he'd be
started to become more respectful, and he said this, He
said that the scientific community, including myself, has been very
disrespectful to these witnesses, and rather than listening to their
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story and saying what did you see? When did you see? Well,
how did you feel about it? All? You know, doing
the scientific method, he would just discount it. So Heineck
had that epiphany, he had that experience where he became
a true believer and started to add much to the
realm as a scientist, to the realm of uithology, including
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the term high strangeness and also close encounters of the first, second,
and third kind. So he's given us a blueprint and
a template. And you know, all praise to Jay Allen Heineg.
He's one of the greats.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And he had a he had a magnificent goatee.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
He went in front of the United Nations to talk
about he was kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So yeah, yeah, he's uh.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
As a As a child, we were talking earlier, at
around eight maybe nine years old, my godfather bought me
for a Christmas present, bought me a hardcovered.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Blue book of Project blue.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Book, And at that age, I didn't know what the
hell I was reading, you know, it was it was
way over my head, but it was. It was something
that I kept with me and still have it on
a shelf in here somewhere. That I mean, that was
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a significant point in our history as far as being
these types of people who are entertaining these things.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, I look for commonality between Bigfoot and flying saucers.
And by the way, I used the term flying saucers
and UFOs rather than UAPs. It just sounds more.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Earthly to me. You know, I don't like the new terminology.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, I don't either, Yeah, and you know, so you know,
and uh, you know, no offense to the pentagon.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
But but Maxim, let me let me ask you on
that point. So as as as someone who has spent
a good deal of time researching and experiencing high strangeness.
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So I'm going to throw this out to you and
you do with it what you want. But when you
go to a paranormal hotspot, you know, say a haunted location,
one thing that you'll hear often is a knocking on
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the wall or on a door, or on a wood cabinet.
You'll have And now I know the difference between taking
a photograph in a dusty room and getting orbs versus
seeing a true light emanating orb. I had one I
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peer in front of me and my daughter at a
location back when she was about fifteen years old, so
I know what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Different.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So when we start talking about Bigfoot, and so often
you'll hear odd mechanical noises in in the woods around
these things, you know, things that don't sound like they belong.
Everybody reports hearing wood knocks and how many how many
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times do you hear somebody who has had a peripheral
experience of either being around or witnessing a sasquatch or bigfoot,
whatever you want to call them, where there there is
a orb of light that either precedes or is in
the vicinity. So what if what if this is all
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tied together? And what do I mean by that?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Is?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
What if the wood knock? Because to my knowledge, nobody's
ever videotaped a sasquatch walking up to a tree with
a big stick and slamming it against a tree. What
if that sound is a peripheral effect of of these things,
whether it be flying saucers or bigfoot or other cryptids.
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What if it's a peripheral effect of them coming into
our ability to perceive them. What if that's an What
if that's an effect, not necessarily an action that somebody is,
you know, a bigfoot is smacking wood against wood to
get that noise. What if the lights that so many
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people report in conjunction with craft sightings, the small lights
that seem to jet around and be a separate entity
from the craft, what if those things are all related.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well, that's juicy stuff. I know, I definitely want to
go and respond to that. What if bigfoot and flying
saucers travel through an interdimensional pathway. And Jacques Ohla was
the one who said a while back that the extra
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terrestrial hypotheses doesn't work anymore. You know, it doesn't make
sense to envision the space brothers going trillions of light
years from their planet to ours. Takes too much time,
too much energy, too much everything. Nobody has that technological
sophisticated know how. Nobody. So when Einstein and Rosen talked
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about the bridge theory and they said, if you could
fold the space time continuum and just go have a
bridge or what was later called a wormhole, that sort
of makes sense. Jaques Ohla talked about that a lot
of people have, but I believe that Bigfoot and flying
saucers travel through an interdimensional pathway. But following up what
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you said, Eric, and that's pretty interesting, Let's just say
the when Bigfoot comes from dimension A to our dimension
that you hear a knock, it's almost like a sound,
like an introductory sound, that they're coming there. What if
the smell, that horrible smell, comes from the other dimension
and we're smelling that. So that's one thing I think
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that we need to go and just take a look
at it. And again nobody knows. But all we're doing
is we're putting up hypotheses, take a look at it,
see if it makes sense, and then go from there.
Just like Jacquehala said that that extraterrestrial hypotheses doesn't work anymore,
it's just too primitive to our cane, doesn't make sense.
(21:43):
We've moved on from that. But I think we need
to go and take a look at other possibilities and
wait for the scientific community to go and give us
something of substance that would go And you validate this,
but yeah, I agree with you. I think that when
they traverse that that dimension, that parallel universe, I think
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that they bring with them sights and sounds and smells,
and that that may be some of the things that
were that we're saying. I believe that both Bigfoot and
the UFOs have some sort of a supernatural paranormal essence,
whatever that is. And people that I talk to that
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communicate with Bigfoot, they talk that They say that Bigfoot
can communicate telepathically, that Bigfoot doesn't walk, but it glides,
that it doesn't reflect lights light, but it emits light.
That you see them in front of you, then behind
you that it has what's called rapid transport, that that
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Bigfoot could go and go from the tangible to the intangible.
So there's a whole lot of speculation.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well, if there's any truth to.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Native American lore as far as they are concerned, they've
always been referenced as being able to.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
One foot in our world one foot in their world. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Spiritually. Yeah, And that's interesting too, because we didn't hear
about Bigfoot until I mean until nineteen fifty eight. They
had the big article in the Humble Times morthern California.
So all these people started to write into the Humble
I mean thousands of people. This was big news nineteen
fifty eight. They started to write letters saying that yes,
I believe in the Californian abominable snow man. Yes I
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have seen this creature Bigfoot. They put it on the
wire service. It went around the world. It became huge.
It hasn't stopped since then, nineteen nineteen fifty eight. So
that was the shot that was heard around the world.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
But I mean so much so now it is synonymous
with pop culture.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Exactly, and then it's that whole tapestry, the fabric, So
pop culture is part of it. But we found out
in fifty eight that this wasn't anything new. This might
have been new for the white man, but you know,
the coastal peoples in British Columbia knew about Sasquatch for
thousands of years. And how do we know that, Well,
with the totem polls and the stories and the songs.
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They believe that to see Sasquatch was a sacred event.
They believed that Sasquatch was the protector of the environment.
They there was a lot of really good things, you know,
that they would say about Sasquatch the protector. One thing, though,
I'll say, I remember when I was researching.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
My book The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, which by the way,
is the reason we're here to talk about, and we
will get to it, I promise.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
It or not whatever you know this is, or we
could do it another time. But anyway, in the Lost
Types of Bigfoot, there are a couple of things of interest.
But there was a guy named Albert Osman. This was
nineteen twenty four, and Osman he was a Swedish Canadian
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hunter trapper and something was messing around with his campsite,
so he decided he was They were stealing food and
leaving tracks and all kinds of things. He decided to
hide inside his sleeping bag with a rifle. He was
going to jump up and shoot the bad guy. And
what happened was something picked him up and he fell asleep.
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They carried him for miles and he woke up and
here he was with a family of sasquats, like a mother, father, son,
and daughter, and they were just watching him. They were
very they were very inquisitive. The daughter fed him sweet grass.
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But at some point Albert Osman felt that they were
going to use him to have sex, they were going
to use him to procreate, so he freaked out and
he had to make a plan. So he had chewing tobacca.
He enticed the older sasquatch to try the chewing tobacca.
The sasquatch got sick, got nauseous. Osman took off and
didn't say anything. He wasn't looking for publicity. And then
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there were articles in the British Columbia about this sasquatch creature.
Osmen went to see John Green, who was a British
Columbia journalist, and he was also one of the original
four Horsemen of sasquatchery and he took Osman's account. Now
this was before computers, before microfiche, before we could go
(26:46):
on Google Bigfoot and have a description and all this.
So Albert Osman his recollections were based on what he
saw in nineteen twenty four, and John Green believed he
was telling the truth. The things that are unique about
this was that it was the only known abduction by
a Sasquatch that I've ever heard of. It was a
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represent a description of what the Sasquatch family would look
like and how they acted. It was he said that
there was no smell. And if that smell is maybe
zigzagging in between the dimensions, or if it's used for
a weapon, maybe to chase people away, or maybe the
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perfume smell to entice them whatever, there was no smell
at all with Albert Osman. So again they weren't trying
to scare him or anything else. But John Green believed
that he was telling the truth. And you know, to
this day, Albert Osman's description holds up. Now, the other
thing that's interesting with Albert Osman, this was one and done.
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Flash forward to nineteen sixty one with Betty and Barney Hill.
You know, they're traveling through the White Hills of of
New Hampshire and they had missing time. So they went
to the psychiatrist from Boston and he does the regressive hypnosism,
finds out that Betty and Barney lost time and possibly
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had been abducted aboard this craft and probed and all
the other stuff. That opened up the floodgates. With Albert
Ossman and the Bigfoot abduction, there was only one time deal,
but with Betty and Barney Hill, this opened up the
floodgates and it became another aspect of uithology, another chapter
with people like John Mack from Harvard and Whitney Striver
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and all these other people that came forward and said, yes,
I too have been abducted and probed and taken aboard
the saucers. So this and this thing became. You know,
they had piggybacked on Heineck's close encounters and that became
close encounters of the fourth kind where they were actually abducted.
So again Heinek gave us the template. But Osman and
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Betty and Barney Hill and all the rest are part
of this what I call the tapestry that and I
think that the Bigfoot and UFOs are just so interconnected.
And that's the exciting thing. I think that's really exciting
to me.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It excites it is And you bring up John Mack
and uh, I'll tell you the the amount of hours
that I have spent going back and watching the interviews
with the children from U.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Zimbabwe, the Aerial School.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Just the the number of children who saw what they saw,
the consistency with which they relayed the experience, and excuse me,
and now so many years later with some of the
adults who are now coming out and saying, you know,
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we never should have we never should have questioned those kids,
because what we remember is what the kids are saying.
You know, they've They've got the one the one kid
that says that he manufactured the whole thing, and you
know it was it was all a ruse on his part.
But I've listened to enough of him that I'm not
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buying what that kid is selling. I call him a kid.
He's a full grown adult now. But it's just what
a what an incredible story and the amount of evidence
because of their testimonies, and it's just it's staggering.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, I have this thing that I conjured up. I
don't know exactly where I got it, but I call
it the the universal rule of ninety So instead of
one hundred percent, it's ninety percent. Like for example, with
something like saywell, thirty percent of the people believe it happened.
They're the true believers, thirty percent don't believe, and then
thirty percent are on the bias. They're either way, you know,
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they could be swayed. And I think that works with
most things, you know, thirty thirty and thirty, like for example,
your podcast, I would say that or my books that
maybe thirty percent of the universe loves us. They want
to help us, they love our life, they like what
we represent. Thirty percent don't like us for whatever reason, jealousy, territory, whatever,
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you know, whatever that is. But thirty percent just don't
like the way you look, the way you sound, the
way you come across. You're too arrogant, you're too opinionated,
You to this, year, to that. And then another thirty
percent are out there, you know, worrying about other things
other than you know, Eric and Maxim. So I think
that's the way of the world. I think that's how
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it is. But we represent that thirty or that sixty
percent of the people that believe or are looking for
the truth. And I think that's the exciting thing about
the paranormal, you know, trying to define the parameters, where
it begins, where it ends, and it's almost like talk therapy,
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you know when Young and Freud developed talk therapy. You know,
if you have this, I'm looking for something. If you
have this, I'm gonna use my box from Bermuda.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
If you have this.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Little thing that represents some trauma from your childhood, you know,
some horrible stuff that happened and you didn't cause it,
but it happened, and you're safe now. But Freud and
Young will talk about if you talked about this, you
give this thing a beginning and end, You give it parameters,
and you could put it over there on the side
where even though it's part of your background, part of
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your resume, it doesn't have to control you. So you
just put it over there. And I think that with
the paranormal, well, all we're trying to do, or maybe
the best we can do, is start to define those parameters,
you know, the beginning and end, the depth, the height,
you know, the time, all this stuff. So I think
that's the exciting thing about being a you know, I mean,
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I call myself a researcher only because I'm trying to
come up with with the definitions and vocabulary. I mean,
you know, I have seen flying saucers. I have seen
numerous flying saucers. But that's the extent of my experience.
You know, you know, you know, I think that some people,
(33:36):
maybe such as yourself, are fortunate. You're probably gifted and
blessed with some sort of an altered state of perception
where maybe your vibration is higher, maybe your you know,
your your level of consciousness is higher. Maybe you're able
to tap into these things that are there, that are
always there, that can be seen, but only certain people
(33:57):
can see them. So, you know, I wish I had
that ability. You know, I think my life is too busy,
too much white noise, all that.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, I like the way you phrase that, because I
think they're At times it feels like my eyes are
open wider, and I you know, I mean this could
be because of the way I was raised.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You know, my parents.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
When I talk about UFOs, they were never they were not. Yeah, yeah,
let's talk about UFOs. They weren't They weren't that but
they never pooh pooed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, any of it
as well.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
They allowed you to consider it, okay.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, they never shut me down.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
And I mean, you know, looking back on it, I
mean that's something I definitely appreciate about how they raised me.
You know, I've been the same way with my children,
my son and my daughter. You know, they're they're late
twenties now, and and they're both the same. You know,
my daughter's got a little alien tattoo on the knuckle
(35:06):
of her one just because she's like, every time you
turned down the TV, it had to be something about
Bigfoot or something about UFOs, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
So, I mean what you did her on her knuckle,
that's a commitment.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yes, yes, it is. I wanted to ask you when,
you know, when we start talking about this topic, and
and it always seems to have to go this way,
but there's a very divisive community when it comes to
(35:41):
whether to consider the WU aspects, you know, the supernatural
or the paranormal aspects of of either of these, you know,
probably more leaning towards Bigfoot. What has your experience been
as far as your research in in the writing of
your book, is that is that something that's really pretty
(36:03):
prevalent or is that a little more scarce than one
would think.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
No, it's prevalent, and I'm glad you brought that up,
that WU factor. You know, I'm in contact with a
number of Moufon organizations on on the East Coast, and
by the book, they don't like to talk about that
WU factor. That's something they stray away from. However, I
(36:28):
think the majority of them believe that it's there, that
there's something inter dimensional, something supernatural, paranormal, whatever, you know,
connected to to saucers. So I think that that's part
of But with my own personal experience, I know that
there's a lot of these, you know, and especially in
western Pennsylvania, there's there's just a plethora of bigfoot experts
(36:53):
and researchers and bigfoot campouts and expos I mean, we
are nabilizing ourselves. There's one every other weekend. I mean,
we're ready, We're almost at the point of just tapping out.
I mean, there's just a point that diminishing returns. You know,
there's there's comes a point where just it's nobody's going
to show up. So but anyway, that's that's what they're doing.
(37:16):
But some of these guys are flesh and blood guys,
and they don't like people like me. They think that
I'm sort of like me. I don't know. I don't
if they think I'm just some sort of a condescending academic.
But I've been called doctor wo I've been you know,
been called a wooer. But you know, there's nothing wrong
(37:37):
with exploring that because after all of these years of
searching for the abominable Snowman and Yetti and Almas and Sasquatch,
where is it? Where's the proof? Well, we don't have any.
And if you don't, and I claim, if there's no proof,
if there's no flesh and blood, then what's another option?
(37:58):
So it just makes more sense. It's just logical to
look at something else, like an inter dimensional theory for
maybe being the method that Bigfoot and UFO's you know travel.
So that's my theory. I share that with a lot
of other people, and I know a lot of these Sasquatches,
(38:20):
these flesh and blood guys that are starting to come
over to my side because they realize that they're not
coming up with anything.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Well, that's the thing, because you start to talk to
somebody and they'll get they'll they'll give you the story
that you know, they saw something peeking out from behind
a tree, or they heard heavy footfalls, or they heard this,
or they saw that. But then when nobody else is around,
they'll be like, hey, have you ever have you ever
seen the light the lights moving through the woods.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You know, there's there's also a prejudice too, I think that,
you know, Like, I mean, I'm I'm proud of my background.
I'm proud of my educational background I worked hard.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
For and will you should be.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, but there's a lot of people that are out
there bashing academics, you know, for the wrong reasons, and
that probably because they're just jealous or whatever. I'm not
sure what. But but what I want to do is this.
I want to go and elevate, you know, the genre
the paranormal to a place where maybe the scientific community
(39:22):
and the public at large is more accepting and believes
it more so. I mean, I think if you articulate,
if you speak the King's English, if you if you
can describe some of these things, if you can show
you know some well, we don't have any evidence, but
I mean, if you could go and just look at
some of the uh, the information that's out there and
(39:45):
talk about it logically and and make it understandable. Then
you're doing something that's good for the order. And I've
been on a ton of podcasts and I'll tell you,
I mean, yours is a good one. I've been on
some with some of these guys can't even put two
sentences together. And these are these are our people. They're
the ambassadors of the paranormal. No, come on, you know,
(40:08):
I mean, talk the talk. You know, you know, we're
you know, you know, you know, don't dumb it down.
And but there's a war going on in in the
in sasquatry. A lot of the Bigfoot people don't like
each other. They bash each other and just it's just
it's horrible. And you don't you don't see this, and
(40:30):
still you until you start getting to know them and
having the chat with them and you see exactly what's
going on. So whatever I'm I'm staying out of that pray.
I mean, if you like me, fine, if you don't,
that's fine too. But you know, you know, and if
you want to call me doctor Wull.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
You know, I mean, you make you make a great
point there. There is a divisive culture. You have you
have really great people, and then you have the people
who earnestly believe that their way is the right and
only way, and that you know they they've got it
nailed down. They know what it is, how it happens,
(41:12):
where it is, what it does, you know, and if
if you're going to call yourself an expert, I think
there's levels of being able to say you're an expert
at something, but you know this, this is so it's
been around for so long, yet it's still so new
(41:33):
to us.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
And our understanding of it. You know.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I like what you say, as far as you know,
might might My thoughts have changed so much from being
a young a young adolescent as far as UFOs and
Bigfoot are concerned, to what those thoughts are now, I've
I've gone, I've run the gambit, but I think you
(42:01):
know where my brain is now. I am in total
agreement with you as far as these are, these are interconnected.
Not necessarily that Bigfoot is the golden retriever for the
alien grays, That's not what I'm saying. But there is
an interconnected you know, whether it's the way they get
(42:24):
here or how they traverse from from their dimension to ours.
It does make much more sense now that these these
cultures are not traveling trillions of miles at light speed.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
To get here.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
They may just be right next door and we just
can't perceive them.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
And you know, in it just makes so much more
sense to me.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Maybe maybe it's because it's easier to believe. I don't know,
I could be completely wrong, but you know, you know,
like what what you're doing with your your research, and
and I've been I've been critical of some specific person
people and and I really shouldn't be because when I
(43:11):
use the word the words weekend warrior to me that
I'm not snubbing anybody. I think that what I do
in this, in this in this arena is important. I
think what you'd bring to the table is important. I
think the guy who can only afford to go out
(43:35):
one day or one weekend a month with a camera
strapped to his back and you know, do what he
can do, I think that's important as as important as
what Jeff Meldrum has has brought to the table. And
you know, I think as a community, we're all stronger
when each one of us is doing our own little thing.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
But you know it, in this day of AI.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
With the the the almost inability to tell the difference
between real and fake because some you know, I mean,
it's only been around for a little while, and it's
already gotten to the point where you can barely tell,
you know, if you're having the wool pulled over your
eyes or if if it's legit. It's making it so
(44:26):
much more difficult.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And let me just jump in here. I I have
fellow author's friends who are writers who are using AI
to write their books, and I think that is a travesty.
I think that's almost a sin. You know, that's a
horrible thing, and you know that's just so wrong. But
it's so easy for them to do it, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
It's it's pretty disingenuous.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, man, man, I want to say something else. I mean,
this AI is a wonderful topic, but you mentioned levels,
and I was just thinking. We have the sasquatchers, the
guys that go out into the you know, they camp
out and they look for Bigfoot, and they're the true believers,
you know, they want to they're the flesh and blood.
(45:11):
Then there's guys like me, the academics that are looking
for proof in other ways. There's another level too, and
I think they're the what would you call then maybe
the experiencers, the witnesses, the ones who claim that they
communicate with Bigfoot telepathically, that Bigfoot is the teacher, and
they're the students. That Bigfoot gives them gifts, that Bigfoot
(45:35):
likes apples and corn, that Bigfoot like certain kinds of music,
and you get this whole narrative. And you know, I've
done you know, I do a ton of podcasts, and
I get some of this stuff from the guys, especially
from Canada and British Columbia, that tell me this and
(45:55):
that they're friends with Bigfoot. So I mean, that's like
a third level. I can't, you know, say anything about
that because because I don't know, it's not my experience.
But they sound very credible, and they certainly come across
as being very enthused and and credible. But I I
(46:16):
just don't know, But that could be another It's the
realm in between, you know, it's the people that actually
make that connection.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
So yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
It that is uh well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
When when it comes to the WU that that is
probably I may be wrong, but that that specific part
may be one of the most down downlooked uh, you
know people that that's too too crazy for people to
(46:54):
wrap their head around that some other, some other creature
could be communicating telepathically and and giving giving Uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
But you know, I say this all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
If if you're gonna ignore any part of this, then
you're not doing It's a disservice because if you if
you're not going, if you're gonna throw this part out
because that's crazy. Nobody's ever that's not real. But there
is uh seven to seven to nine foot tall, hairy
(47:36):
bipedal stronger than shit, you know, something flexing out in
the in the woods, you know, making crazy noises and
stuff like that that I can believe. But some you
they can't talk to you in your brain.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
When I first heard about the connection between Bigfoot and
flying saucer or falling saucers or orbs, I thought it
was crazy, didn't believe it. I mean just couldn't and
wrap my hands around, my arms around it. But in
western Pennsylvania and Chestnut Ridge, that's where we have the
majority of sightings. And this guy Stan Gordon, I don't
(48:11):
know if you're familiar with Stan, Okay, well, Stan is
the one who pretty much has been documenting all of
this stuff, and Stan's narrative is pretty much dry and
boring and academic. It's like watching well wallpaper dry. But
phil he has tons and tons and tons of sightings
(48:31):
and typically like farmer and missus Brown went out to
the barn at six o'clock at night to feed the
cow and they saw a bigfoot emerge from an orb
and Stan Gordon has tons and tons of reports like that.
They're all the same. It started around nineteen seventy three
(48:52):
when we started to see the connection between bigfoot and
flying saucers, and again that lends me to believe that
there's a parent paranormal aspect to both both of these,
whether Bigfoot is emerging from a saucer or whether you know,
the saucer lands and takes Bigfoot and takes them away.
(49:12):
But Stan Gordon has been able to document so much
of this, and we're really blessed in Pennsylvania, especially Western Pennsylvania,
with all of these gatekeepers that are keeping tabs of this,
because let's face it, there's no single source, no single
group that keeps tabs on all this stuff. Right, you know,
(49:35):
Pennsylvania and or Florida are number three as far as
the Bigfoot sightings, you know, after California and Washington, and
I've seen Pennsylvania as number three with Bigfoot and Florida
as number three with the skunk Gate. But again, there's
no FBI CIA group that keeps count on this. So
(49:56):
it's guys like you and I that talk about this.
And you know, I'll tell you what, Bigfoot and skunk
Cape is big business down in Florida. I mean, like
I have book signings, I have standing room only people coming,
not because of Maxim Surig, but because a big Foot
of that song. Yeah, that's the way that works. I
(50:19):
wish it was that way, but but there's just a
real hunger and interest. And this is young people and
older people. I mean, they just want to find out.
They want to know what's going on. So you know
that's you know, Bigfoot's tapped into our psyche, just as
flying saucers out.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
And the best thing you can do is to have
an open mind and stay intrigued about these things.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
I really believe that.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Keeping a healthy, active interest in these topics is.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah, it's what we need to do.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, I know. I was talking to Ron Murphy a
couple of years ago, he's a Western Pennsylvania bigfoot researcher,
and I was asking Ron about the night about twenty
twenty three Colorado train bigfoot siding, and there was a
video this this newlywed couple were having their anniversary. They
were on a train and somebody shot what looked like
(51:21):
a bigfoot. Some people thought it was a un somebody
in a gilly suit, you know, had sneaking up on,
you know, so that they could sneak up on caribou
and or the elk. But anyway, I was talking to
Ron Murphy about it and whether he believed it was
true or false, and he said, you know, in the end,
it doesn't really matter because it gives us an opportunity
(51:44):
to take a look at that and look at the
different facts. And that I thought was just a great
way to phrase it, because you know, I called number
of people and asked them what they thought, and you know,
some people believe it was real, some people thought it
was a hoax. Didn't matter. I mean, all we had
was a time little video, so you couldn't really base
any kind of conclusion on that. But I liked what
(52:05):
Ron Murphy said.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
But to that video, the one person that I did
end up having a conversation with about that video, did
confide in me that and whether this is.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
True or not.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I was never able to find the name of this place,
if it existed or what. But there was some kind
of an adventure camp that was very close to where
that was filmed. And he suggested that that was a
paid member who was in that area so that the
(52:45):
train would somebody on the train would see him. That
seems like a bit of a stretch, but.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Well, tell you if that was me that took that video,
the first thing I would do is I would take
it to some university, some side science department to have
them authenticated and look at it and validate it and
vet it and all that, you know. I mean, I
would really be proud of that thing. So I don't
know who shot it because they're not around. They didn't
they didn't come forward, So I'm thinking it might have
(53:15):
been a little bit of you know, hokey pokey there,
So it could have been who knows.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
That's the other thing that makes us so.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Entertaining, you know, on top of the investigative part of
it and the research part.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
And I did want to say this, you know, we
talk about Bigfoot as being exciting and dynamic and fascinating
and all this stuff. You know, there was when I
was researching the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, there was an
article by this guy from the New York Times and
is Bigfoot Real? And he talked about how boring Bigfoot
(53:52):
is because in all of these accounts, Bigfoot just sort
of looks at us and then runs away. They're shy,
they're reclusive.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
They they don't attack and charge. The only account I
ever heard of Bigfoot killing somebody was Teddy Roosevelt. He
wrote a book and there was an extensive chapter about that.
But other than that, Bigfoot seems to stay away from us.
They're you know, they shy away from us. And and
(54:23):
you know why not. I mean, if if Bigfoot of
the Grays are watching us, I mean, what a man,
What a horrible example we are of looking thing. I mean,
we're destroying the planet. We're destroying each other. Uh, India
and Pakistan, who have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Are going at it.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
I think, come on, you know, you know, human beings.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
You know, we truly are the cancer on this planet.
Yeah yeah, and it's sad to say, but good lord,
but you.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Know, it starts, you know, whenever I get really discouraged
about the state of uh, the state of the union,
you know, and a the thing, the bad things happening,
I just, you know, like I'll say that, well, it's
not me and it's not you. At least we're making
a difference rich you know, compassionate and altruistic and doing
the right thing, and maybe also being the voice of moderation,
(55:16):
you know, not not hysteria, but moderation and just taking
a look at the facts as we know them. So
I don't know, but I mean, I think we're all
fellow travelers or on the journey. We don't know what
the destination is going to be. But the thing that
we share in common is that we have spirit guides
(55:39):
and guardian angels and ancestors that go with us on
this journey. And then with guys like me, I have
a chance to meet exciting, interesting guys like you along
the way. So you know, and the thing about that
is that what you're doing for me is you're just saying,
you know, you're heading in the right direction. Out a boy,
keep on going. So that's all we need. We just
(56:00):
need that validation. One person saying you know, I think
you're doing all right, you know, so just keep it going.
I mean, that's all, that's all you can ask for.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
And you know, as far as this state of the Union,
the state of the world, you know, it's it's headed
for the shitter, it really is.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
But but there is a segment that I truly think,
I truly believe that there is an awakening that is happening.
And whether you want to call that a spiritual awakening
or you know, whatever context you want to put it into,
(56:44):
there is a segment of the population in this world
whose eyes are being open to things that they might
not have been open to a few years ago. I
hope it continues, and I hope at some point we
get we get onto the right track because the nukes
(57:07):
and the Pakistan and India and Russia and the Ukraine
and all the all the other turmoil is just it's
just senseless.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Well, I don't feel that we have a steady hand.
I don't think we have a study leadership. And that's
scar spam. I mean, that's you know, So as a
former Vietnam veteran, and.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Thank you for your service, Okay, you're.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Welcome, But anyway, listen when on that dire note. My
next book is going to be The Paranormal Apocalypse Is
this how it ends? And there's a gray interesting like
that grim Reaper, and there's an hour glass and the
skulls and author of the Shepton Mythology.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Tell me within that picture are are there human skulls
and alien skulls?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (58:02):
I think together.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
They're just human skulls. I had an idea, I had
a concept for this, and then I told Hanger One,
you know, Doug Hicheck's people, and they had their graphic
designer put it together. So I'm working on the book.
I'm hoping to have it done this summer. I mean,
I will have it done this summer. But I talk
about how fear controls and we are afraid. We're like lemmings,
(58:26):
and fear of fear from religious groups, political groups, whatever.
They like to keep us in fear because because then
they can control us.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
So that's that's the easiest way to do it.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah, So Paranormal Apocalypse is this how it ends? But
I mean, what do you think of that cover?
Speaker 3 (58:45):
I like it. I like it a lot.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's going to be in just black
and white and shades of gray, so.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
I like it. Well, listen, we're a little bit over.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
I know we talked about staying around an hour and
I had a little bit of a fuba at the beginning.
But let's uh, let's close out. Tell us The Lost
Tribes a Bigfoot by Maxim Furick. Where is it available?
Give me a website, personal website, how people can find you.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, if they want to buy The Lost Tribes of
Bigfoot or Cole Region, Whodo or any of my other books,
you could look up Maxim Furick if you are e
K on Amazon dot com and there's you know, read
some of the reviews and you know, you could get
it there. Or you could if you want to autograph copy,
just hit me up on my website www dot Maximfuric
(59:41):
dot com and just we could connect and I could
be glad to go and uh, you know, provide you
with an assigned copy, which would.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Be That's where I'm going. Yeah, I want to sign copy.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah, that would be the best thing for me. But Eric,
thanks so much for the nice conversation. I mean it
had flow. We went back and forth and yeah, yeah,
you kept me on track and did not let me
babble on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
So that was good.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Well, I know this is tippy, it's a little shorter
than what we normally do, but we always like to
leave people wanting more, and I think with tonight's episode,
I think we did that maximum.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I want to thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It's been a pleasure talking to you, a pleasure meeting you,
a lively conversation. I loved it, and honestly, truly I
would love to do this again with you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Okay, let's let's talk about that and we could book
something for for for the near future. That would be great.
So yeah, thank you so much, Eric, and I hope
your listeners enjoyed our chat.
Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I'm sure they will. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Good night, and as I say, always stay uncomfortable. Good
Night my friends. Grid uh
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