Bigfoot Eyewitness Northern Michigan uNcomfortable ep183

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Think I got a great show for you guys tonight.
This is somebody that I've been after for probably gotta

(01:36):
be going on four years now. So if you're ready,
let's get into it. So if you will please give

(02:07):
a warm, uncomfortable welcome to Tater big Stomp Tater, Welcome
to Uncomfortable Hier. How are you, dear?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
You sound a bit trepidaceous in your voice.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know I am.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I know you are. In contrary to the name of
the show, I'm going to attempt to make you very
comfortable to talk about this experience, okay, or should I
say experiences Tater? What I met you? It's got to
be four years now because it was at the I

(02:46):
think it was at the very beginning of probably the
first the first Bigfoot conference that I went to where
I met you and your husband. It was that would
have that that could have been West Branch uh the
year Ron Moorhead was there.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yes, yep, I was there then.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah. So now to be to be Frank I think
I've gotten more conversation out of your husband from your
experience than I have you and you have. You have
teased and tempted me with the idea of coming on here,

(03:27):
but much to my surprise, yesterday you presented me with
the opportunity, and in the interest of not looking to
gift horse in the mouth, uh, we decided to do
this in less than twelve hour notice.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
So right, So I didn't back out again, but we
I shared parts of my story with you at the
Ohio wank Foot conference. You did, yes, and that's when
you were trying to get me to come on.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I'm like, no, before we get into it. I mean,
obviously we've been friendly. Your husband and you are are
supporters of the show. You have been for from what
I can tell, you know very early on. But why

(04:22):
the change of heart with wanting to discuss what your
experience was.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Honestly, I feel like I've let you down a hundred
times already, and you asked me to type it up
for you so you could just read it and I
never did.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
And well, you can't just be about me.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, it's all your fault. No, I'm just kidding. No,
I just every time I listen to a podcast, which
is often I'm like, I just have to do it,
I have to do it, and I don't know, and
then my husband's gone right now. So I just thought, well,
this is a time when I partly wish he was
sitting beside me, but I partly well, I feel better

(05:07):
just braving it myself.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
So gotcha.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I just decided what that I was going to be
home alone all day?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
So all right, Well, like I said, I've gotten bits
and pieces from you, and a few more bits and
pieces from your husband, So why don't you just take
the reins here and walk us into how it all started? Okay?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I never had any thoughts about Bigfoot in my life. Ever,
when Chad came into my life, it was now my husband.
He had told me once that he had an experience
when he was a child, I seeing like a little
monkey figure out his back window at night, and he

(06:01):
always thought felt like it was a young Bigfoot or
baby Bigfoot, and I was, you know, I love him.
I believed him, but didn't really ever give it any thought.
And Tad got me into hunting. I'd hunted a little
bit like when I was in high school, but really
I wasn't a hunter, so Tad was all into hunting,

(06:23):
so he got us into hunting. And I didn't know
there was anything to be scared of in the woods,
very naive, and we just started going into the woods
more and more. And in twenty eleven, he and I
went out really early to it's Camp Graling, it's where

(06:50):
like military trainings are held.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Started out it okay.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
So we were out there very early and Tad had
put a tree stand up for me, and we were
bow hunting. Went out before dark. We drove down this
trail to a loop at the end. It's like a
dead end, but it's like a little tiny circle you
can turn around, but it's a two track and it's
rough and like your truck gets scratched driving down it,

(07:15):
so it's really not ever traveled. And Tad parked his
tahoe out there and we got out and I went
on one side of the trail and he went on
the other. And it was dark and I just we
found our ways in and climbed up in the tree
stand and sat there. I had a book, I had coffee,

(07:43):
a knife, apples, all this stuff. It was interesting day.
So anyway, I'm up in my tree stand. I'm hooked
in with my harness and I had a toe rope
to pull my bow up with and it gets light
and it's just the most beautiful day ever. There's no wind.

(08:06):
So I was like, well, they're not Those deer are
going to smell those apples. And mind you, I'm pretty
new and back then we could bait, so we had
apples out, and so I pulled an apple out of
my backpack and I started like carving on it with
my knife. And then I was just like, I was
bored and.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Figure out or you're just cutting pieces off.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I was just cutting little pieces off, dropping I'm hoping
that some scent of the apples would bring me a deer.
And I ended up tying this is embarrassing, but I
tied the apple to my bowstring that I pulled my
bow up to the tree stand with, and I was
just like swinging it back and forth, like I'll make

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the scent of an apple.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I've heard of. I've heard of things less.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Uh again, I'm not even rather silly.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So what time of year is this?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
It was fall, so November, and it was beautiful. It
was a beautiful, beautiful day, and the leaves were perfect.
In fact, I have a picture on my Facebook from
that day of how beautiful the sky was against the
colorful trees. Anyways, so we're out there for a while,

(09:26):
a couple hours, probably around nine. All of a sudden,
like an owl shoots out of the tree above me.
Scared the crap on me, No big deal. A little
while later, this really gross smell comes along, and in
my head, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to
see a bear, all excited, not even thinking of the

(09:48):
fact that a bear is going to climb a tree
and try to kill me. But I've heard that bears
are stinky, so a bear's going to come up here.
Bear's going to come up here. But then the smell
went away and it was just there for a minute
or two. It was weird. I'll mention that I could
see the very top of my husband's taho from my

(10:09):
tree stand through the leaves, so it wasn't super far away,
I think. As I'm sitting there, at one point I
thought I saw a very small face of a deer
peeking at me through the ferns. And the ferns are
really high out there, like to my chest at least,

(10:35):
which it just seems really super high compared to normal
like ferns I've seen in other places.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Wild at least.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, so, and then then it was gone, probably
around eleven ish, well I'm not sure what time, but
a little bit later, after the smell and everything, the
military plane started practicing and they were dropping bombs and

(11:11):
I'm like, oh my gosh, it was so loud you
could feel it in your chest, the rumbling and the
it was just crazy and we should not have been
in there, which when we finally left, we found out
that the roads were blocked off. We got in there
before they closed the roads, oh because yeah, so, I mean,
we weren't seeing anything being blown up or anything, but

(11:34):
it was just super loud and the planes were just
insanely crazy. And Tad was off in his tree stand
and I'm in mine, and we're texting like, holy should
we get out of here, you know, because again we're
down this. Two tracks were parked on a regular spot.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Were you able to hear feel the concuss of the
it was? Oh? Yeah, it was insane.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
It was just really insane. So I was kind of
afraid I was going to get blown to bits. But
I mean, I don't know exactly how far away they
were from us, but the planes were flying over us.
So as that's happening and Tad and I are texting,
I look off to my right and I see two

(12:18):
people walking and I was mad, and I'm like, oh god,
I'm trying a deer hunt here, and again, you know,
with these bombs, there's not going to be anything moving.
But I was so annoyed. I'm like, are epidding me?
I'm hunting and there's somebody walking in over there by me,
and one was bigger than the other. So I assumed

(12:39):
it was like a father and a son, and I
assumed they were bird hunting because Tad wanted to bird
hunt as well. He said, if he doesn't see anything
with the you know, the deer, he might just go
for a walk and go bird hunting. So I'm assuming
it was up to people. But then I just kept

(13:01):
watching them and I was like, that's so weird, that's
so weird. So I texted Tad and said, I just
saw too big black deer. One was bigger than the other,
but they didn't have any ears or they had lump
on the back of their neck.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
White if you were if you were looking at them
and thinking that it was a father and son or
an occult and the child. What prompted you to text
your husband that they were deer?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I have no idea. I have no idea, and I
didn't think about that again until later in January, so
that will I'll come back into play later. I have
no idea where that came from, but I somehow the
people were deer. So Tad and I went down. We

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had lunch in the car or in the tahoe, and
he said, well, what these bombs were not going to
see anything obviously, So I'm just gonna go bird hunting.
You want to come with me? And I'm like okay, fine.
So we start walking up the two track, like from
the way we came in, and we probably would about
half mile and I was like, no, no, I'm gonna

(14:14):
I'm going back to my tree stand. And so I
turned around and I went back by myself, got back
in the tree stand.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Can I ask what prompted your like your decision just
to be like, nope, this isn't what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I'm going to go back because I am gung ho
to get a deer. Oh I really, and I I
just I have this drive like I want to be
in the woodzard Like I still have this, and I drive
my husband crazy sometimes. So I'm like, I'm not going
to waste my time walking around. I don't want to
shoot a bird, Like, yeah, that's not very fun. Maybe

(14:48):
it is, I don't know, I've never done it. So
I went back at my tree stand and it wasn't
very long, maybe thirty or forty minutes. And this is
another embarrassing silly thing I did when my dad would smoke,
or when my dad would hunt if he if he
ever got a deer, he would smoke a cigar. And

(15:10):
I was like, I'm going to smoke a cigar. And
I had closed cigars. They're like little they're shaped like cigarettes. Yeah,
So i had these clothes cigars in my backpack because
I'm so sure I'm gonna get this deer and get
to celebrate. And I'm like, well, i'll screw it. So
I lit one again. The bombs had kind of slowed down,
but I mean, we weren't going to see any deer.

(15:31):
I didn't care. I'd an't even been swinging an apple
on a string. So I smoking this closed cigar and
I'm just dinking around trying to blow smoke rings again. Yeah,
I was seeing if I could do it, because I'm
not a smoker, so I was just seeing what I
could do. And as I'm doing that, I look up

(15:52):
and I see Tad and he's got his tree stand
because his is a climber, and he's way off, like
probably three hundred yards away, walking through the woods like
he decided he wasn't gonna bird hunt either. He decided
to move his tree stand because it's a climber. And
I see him way, way, way far off, and he

(16:15):
texts me and says, I just moved. I said, I
saw you, and which I was fine. I could just
see a little bit of him, but I could I
know it was him, And all of a sudden, there
was like a big bang on his truck and he said,
are you back at the truck? And I said, no,

(16:37):
are you? And I was confused because I had just
seen him really far away and the truck was to
the other side of me. And I wish I could
remember better. If it sounded like a car door shutting,
I'm pretty sure the car was locked. It's just sounded
like something smacked the back of the truck, but I
remember ted and I texted about it, and I'm like,

(16:57):
I can see the roof, I don't see anything. And
just a little bit after that, I thought I heard
movement coming in behind me. So I turned around and
my tree was probably like that wide behind me, and
I was in a double tree stand, so I had

(17:18):
my backpacksitting there. So I was turning really quietly around
to look behind the tree, hanging my head out, and
I saw something and I'm like, what is that? What
is that? I was like, really really confused, and I
kept staring and staring and staring, and I think I

(17:38):
was talking out loud, and I just if it wasn't
out loud, it was in my head. And I kept saying,
don't don't blink, trace, don't blink, and I just stared
and stared and stared, and I don't know how long.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
It was, just.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
A minute or two, and all of a sudden, whatever
I was staring at just kind of changed, and I
was looking at tree leaves again, colorful tree leaves. And
as quick as that happened, right below me, there was
a grouse on the ground right the base of my tree,
doing that injured thing it does, making all this noise
and clutter and like snapped me out of whatever I

(18:17):
was doing, whatever I was staring at, and really weird. Anyway,
we sat there for a little while longer.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Oh no, no, wait a minute, that's about it. Like seriously, now,
wait a minute. Put yourself back.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
At that moment when the bird's going off.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Just prior to that, when you're looking.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
At and say, don't blink.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, what what are you looking at?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I don't know what is it? I have no idea, Like,
I can't. I mean, I would love to be like, yeah,
it was some kind of a creature. I have no
idea what I was looking at. I was looking because
I heard a noise, but then something was there and
I can't though mm hmm yeah. And then I was
like what is that? What is that? And then I
was like, don't blink? But I don't remember. I don't.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I mean, I guess what I'm getting at here?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Is I need hypnosis?

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Did you m what's a good way to ask this?
Did you see something physical that you just couldn't wrap
your head around?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I don't, I don't remember. I just remember saying
don't blink, don't blink, don't blink and then kind of
being snapped out of it and this bird is below
my tree.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Stand Jesus, I got chills.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I know. I could have like the bird. I
could have taken my arrow out of my boat and
like punk and taken out the bird and been like
ha ha, ted, I got something. But I was like,
that is so weird. And that's so that's all that's
it from that day that until.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Later, Like that is so strange because gross will do
that when it's when it believes there's a threat present.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, And where had the grouse come from? Like like I, I, well,
I can't say, I know, Like could the grouse have
been in the tree and then fluttered out of the
tree and went to the base of the tree. I
don't feel like that's what it was, Like, I don't know.
When Tad and I went to leave that day, he

(20:35):
got to the truck before me, and we both kind
of looked at the truck and it was locked and
there was we couldn't see anything on the truck. So
we went to leave there and like I said, the
roads were blocked off it whoops, And we just were
not supposed to be in there, and so obviously it
was uneventful, well at least no deer day.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Okay, So let me take you back to the moments
that you guys heard the truck. The sound from the truck.
Did it sound like did it sound like it was
being struck with a object? Did it just sound No,
sounded more like something just slapped the side of the truck.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Probably, That's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, And how you said you could see the top
of it from.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Where you were a little bit of the top of
the truck.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Can you any idea guess guesstimate how far away you
and your husband were from the truck in either direction.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I was probably only about one hundred yards maybe I
went I kind of went in from the truck and
then back a little bit, probably one hundred yards. And
Tad was probably where he was hunting, was probably about
three hundred yards, maybe maybe further.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So the drive home after you after you get past
the road closure and you get past the idea that
you were way too close to a simulated bombing run,
what's what's the what's the conversation between you and your husband?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I know we talked about whatever the noise was on
the truck, and we talked about the bombs, and I did.
I did say something like something weird happened out there,
like I was looking back, and then everything changed and

(22:46):
then there was a grouse. So I told him that,
But I had no idea like that there's anything weird
in this world. I completely naive to all this stuff
that I know, know after fifteen years of doing this
or fourteen years of reading and researching.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
And you know me, so you know that I tend
to take things and then pick at them. Your statement
that you just made everything changed. Dissect that for me.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
About how I didn't believe or didn't know about anything no.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
At the moment the grouse and what you saw.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Just how whatever I could whatever I was looking at
when I heard that noise, like the tree branches were
kind of down, like I'm looking down and there's all
the colorful leaves and they're beautiful. There's something behind that,
and I'm seeing something, but I don't know what it is,
and it's almost like everything just got blurry or something,

(24:07):
and I kept saying, don't blink, don't blink, And then
all of a sudden, it was just tree leaves again,
and nothing was blurry, and there was a gross bow me.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
The words you use. You know, everything got blurry. And
then do you remember do you remember any kind of
a physiological effect, any any strange feeling that was going

(24:39):
on other than confusion?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
It's interesting. Yeah, all right, Where do we go from here?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
So can can we for the listeners, can we give
a a general a generalized location of we're in the
state of Michigan.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Is the hand yep? Is it backwards on your screen?
I don't know. So I live about here and Grayling
is just a little south. We were in Waters, Michigan.
It was about forty minute drive from our house to
where we were hunting. And you can look up Camp
Grayling online and like there's the gates and the fences

(25:29):
and sometimes the we're out there and you can see
like the big army rigs the stuff and the people
doing there their trainings.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
And so we're in the upper part of the Lower
Peninsula of Michigan, north of the north of the state
Forest Maynasty National Forest.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, yep. Out there. A few more times the kids went.
Tad and my daughter sat in that tree stand. I
took my son out and we'd ride around and my
son has sebro palsy, so he and he was little

(26:15):
at the time, and so we would go and I
would go around with him, and we'd go to like
easy in and easy outspots and we'd sit and hope
that maybe we'd see a deer or even a coyote
or something so my son could get something. And we
spent a lot of time out there, and it came
to the end of the season, and I don't remember

(26:37):
anything else happening, well, one one other thing, okay, but
it wasn't when we were hunting. We were we were
going out, and I wanted to see what is like
my app when I'm hunting, say, I'm facing this with
it my apples or my bait is down in front

(26:59):
of me this. But where I saw this stuff was
this way. So I wanted to see because technically the
main road we come in on is also this way,
and I wanted to see what was back there between
that road and my tree stand, because I had never
walked in any deeper than my tree stand. And we

(27:22):
so Tad pulled down another two track that would have
like basically taken us a little further in from the
main road toward our two track, and we were just
kind of wandering around, and I thought, well, I want
to see how far it is to cut through from
this side of the woods to that tree stand. And
I started exploring, and there was like birch trees and

(27:45):
it was really pretty giant ferns again, and I was
walking ahead and I'm just kind of like wandering through
following what I'm assuming our deer trails, and Tad started
for me from back where he was and he said,

(28:07):
he goes, come and look at this, and he showed
me like a lump in the dirt by a stump
that was pushed over. I try to really remember, and
I thought he was just being really weird. And he's like,
get over here, get over here, don't go wandering off
by yourself. And I'm like, what are you talking about again, naive?

(28:29):
And he said, does that not look like a knee
print to you? I'm like a knee print that, you know? Again,
a knee print? Seriously, who's gonna look. We're just out
there having fun, like, let's not look for knee prints,
you know. So he thought it looked like a knee print,
and he was, look, you can kind of see. I

(28:50):
don't know. He just felt like it was a knee
print at the stump that was kind of pulled up
and tipped over, and he's like, just don't go under
and off by yourself. Let's go, and he had us leave.
I was like, okay, whatever again. I just thought it
was weird, but I didn't think anything of it. So
we go through the whole hunting season no deer. I'm

(29:16):
really disappointed. And so at the end in December, after
like muzzleloader season and rifle season, they open up both season.
I got in Michigan so I could still go out
and I could get a deer through December thirty first.

(29:37):
So on December thirty first, Tad and I went. I
had to beg him because there was snow on the ground.
Can we please, please please please go back out there.
Oh there's one more thing I forgot. Okay, let me
backtrack one time. Toward the end of winter, after the
rifle season was done, we did park in that spot again,

(30:00):
Ted and I did the place where he thought he
felt like he saw like a knee print, and we
walked in that way to get the tree stand, and
we had our dogs with us. I had two dogs
and they were in the back of a the truck.
It had a cab thing on the back, and when

(30:20):
we first got there to let the dogs out, one
of them took off like just like insane, and we
were like, what is going on? We thought maybe it's
a deer or something, and then the other one stayed
pretty close to us. So we got out there and
we had the tree stand and I had the ladders
on me, and Tad had the big piece strapped to
his back, and our one dog was biased the whole time,

(30:43):
but the one that had run off had come back.
And I don't know why, but Tad picked up a
tree branch and he went to break it so he
could throw it for the dogs. And I don't know
why he did that because he had the heavyweight on him,
but he did. And when he hit that tree, we
heard another sound farther off behind us. Oh that's weird.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Whatever what was the sound?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Probably another like hitting another tree.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Interesting, So yeah, like a knock and a response.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah kind of. And and that's not what we were
going for at all, you know, like he just he
hit it to break it, so we'd have two pieces
of this big stick for the dogs, so each dog
could chase a stick, so that happened. But then now
it's the last day, December thirty first, and we decide
we're going out there again to hunt, but we're going

(31:38):
to take one of those pop up coops to hunt
in because the tree stand is gone and there's snow
on the ground, not a ton, but so we decided.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
You're talking about like a hunting.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, those things that you just pop them up, you know,
kind of unfold them. So we were going to do
this in bow hunt, but we weren't going to go
all the way down the two track. We were going
to park at this other weird spot and walk in
to this little area and just see. And I had
like bank because Tad's like seriously hunting seasons over and

(32:13):
I'm like no, no, no, no, I want a deer.
So we get out there really early, and we've got
our head lamps on and I get dressed at home
for hunting. Ted is worried about the scent of the
dogs and so he always puts on his hunting clothes
at the back of the truck when we get out there.

(32:34):
So I was just like standing there waiting for him.
And when we first opened the door, I heard like
a howl off to my right, kind of far away,
but I just a coyote howl, is what I'm assuming
it was. And I gotten used to that because in
my first year hunting, we heard the coyotes a lot
every time it was getting close to being dark. And

(32:58):
so we get out and Ted has a stuff on now,
so we start heading up. I got my bow and
like a little stool and the tent, and I think
he had his bow with him as well, and we
were just not very far in front of the tape,
like we're facing in and we're going to walk in
and turn to where we're gonna set up the coop.

(33:23):
And it was very early. I was probably like maybe
six am. And something screamed at us from the side,
from this side, and it was like just this major

(33:43):
loud scream howl thing. And I haven't talked about it
in a long time, and I just remember we both froze,
and Ted's and did you hear that? And I responded
with something lippy then I won't say because I don't

(34:06):
want to cuss. And I like it kind of like
I didn't take my breath away, but you could feel it.
It went through like I felt like I had goosebumps
on my eyes. Like everything just was like whoa, and

(34:28):
you could feel it go through you.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh my god, just hold your thought there. Okay, when
you said goosebumps on your eyes, that that gave me
chills because when I heard when I heard what I
heard while interviewing the Witch, I got chills on every

(34:56):
inch of my body. And what was really strange about
that was like I had all this recording and equipment
there and it was so loud that I whipped my
headphones off. She was sitting right across from me, and

(35:19):
we both looked in the direction that that sound came from.
She asked me, did you hear that? And I'm like, yeah,
what the hell was that? But yet after I went
back and I loaded up the show onto my computer,
that sound where it would where it should have been.

(35:40):
All there was was a little off in the background.
But you want to talk about like an instantaneous chill
and like disorientation. I had no idea what the hell

(36:01):
was going on at that point. Sorry that that yeah,
goose bumps on your eyeballs.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
It's yeah, Like I don't know it just like.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, but it's the same.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
It was just such a shock because you can feel it.
So Tad Zoom is like, he's in the truck and
I feel like I'm still standing there.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
He left you like like.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
We were not far in front the truck, but I'm not.
It all happened so fast. But he's like, did you
hear that fucking good or whatever? And then all of
a sudden, I was like whoop, and he's in the
truck and I'm like, so I'm like hustling. I threw
my stuff in the back of the truck. I get
and I'm like what was that? And we're like freaking
out and he's throwing it into reverse and flying down

(36:49):
the thing and I'm like, wait, where are you going?
What are you doing? I want to know what that was?
And he's like, no, we are out of here. We're
out of here. And so he started going a different
way and I'm like, I want to you know, here's
a little stubborn brat, Tracy.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
What is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I know, I know, I'm like this naughty little kid.
And so we ended up going back to this other spot,
but he was so uncomfortable. We went in and it
was still the sun was just starting to come up,
and we put up with the tent of the coop
someplace else, and we sat there for about ten minutes

(37:25):
and he goes, we gotta go, we gotta go. I can't.
We're not doing this, like seriously fine, and like I
just feel like he had some idea what it was.
I was clueless. I was just like, keep going back
to that word naive.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
And that's what I was just going to ask you
your your desire to continue to hunt. Yeah, you've got
this obsession, you want to get your deer.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
But but Tad was very uncomfortable. So we went back
to the truck and I said, let's just drive back
out there now because now it's getting light, and just
see if there's any tracks. I need to know what
that was. So he drives back in there and he
won't get out of truck. But we didn't see anything.
I don't think I got out of the truck either.
But so we were home. We were back at our

(38:17):
house by like eight thirty in the morning. The kids
were still in bed and they get up there. I thought,
you guys were hunting today, and we told him about it.
So that whole day, like we were using the internet
and Tad was looking up different screams and things and
just trying to find stuff, and Tad kept saying, like,

(38:39):
I think it was a bigfoot. I think it was
a bigfoot, and I'm like not believing it, and then
he played some other sounds, and all of a sudden,
I remembered that day when I saw the two big
black deer and I pulled up my phone and I said,

(39:01):
remember that day with that, and I showed him the
text and we both still had the texts and and
like they were people, though I remember my first thought
was that it was a father and a son that
were hunting. Why did I text you that they were big?
Like dear, I said, that is so weird, and he's like,

(39:22):
remember something hit the truck and I'm like there was
a smell too. I remember how he kept saying, don't blink, Trace,
don't blink, And I told you this, So all of
a sudden, like everything, my whole world is just like,
are you kidding me? Is there really such a thing
as a bigfoot? Just as squatch? Could I have seen
two bigfoots? Maybe?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
To this day, I don't know, but that got me
obsessed with all of that, and then I just started
messing around, and theater big Stamp Stump was born that summer,
and because people thought it was nuts, anybody I told so,
I just you know, I'm a teacher and I don't

(40:10):
need people criticizing me. Although most people know I have
an interest, but they don't know the story. So I
just keep myself as Tater big Stump, just to keep
the privacy. And right, that's how that happened.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
So your nose dive into the rabbit hole? Yeah, and
would you say that was twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, summer m Yeah, and we hunted again the next year,
but we didn't hunt Waters anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Conscious decision not to go back to that place.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I would like to. In fact, just even this year,
I said, do we want to try going back to
waters this year? And I was like, nope, nope, nope.
We hardly ever go out there anymore for a while.
Once we started like really researching, and when I really
started believing, we tried doing like this gifting thing, like

(41:23):
we would drive out there to that the area where
we were screamed at and put food out there sometimes
or marbles and stuff. And my son had a trail
cam that he won from somewhere, so we put that
out there, and we went back like three days later
and it was gone. And so it was all the

(41:44):
food and everything. And we used to stack these rocks.
There was some big rocks that were in an area
where the ferns were always all matted down, and so
we would kind of like stack the rocks and I
would come back and every time the rocks would be
knocked down. We did that for like a whole summer.
But there's a lot of ticks out there, so we

(42:05):
don't like a lot of ticks. We don't really go
out there too much.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I hate those things. Yeah, They're disgusting, Nature's vampire.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
So we started hunting in Pigeon River State Forest, which
is outside of Vanderbilt, a little bit north of Gaalared.
And again naive, there's no bigfoots there. The bigfoot is
in waters. There must only be two.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
So you've had you've had these experiences up to this point.
M hm. And your brain is still still not well,
not wrapped around bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Right, not not anywhere else. It just is in that
one place. It had to have bene just in waters,
is the way I thought. So we started hunting in
Pigeon River and some of this. It might just be
just stuff, this normal hunting stuff. The first day of
both season, I was sitting on the edge of like

(43:11):
a viewing area, and there's elk in Pitcher River. Elk
were introduced in the early nineteen hundreds out there, and
now there's like a herd of maybe eight or nine
hundred and you can hunt elk up there now if
you get a permit. They yeah, it's a lottery. So

(43:35):
I'm sitting just in the long grass on the ground,
chants farther off in the woods and his climber stand,
and these two young bull elk came out and it
was they were just beautiful and they were sparring in
front of me, and I was videotaping. I was so excited.
I was like just dying because it was like, this
is bliss for me. I'm like, this is the cololest

(43:56):
thing I've ever seen. And then I started hearing movement
coming behind me, and the elk would stop and they'd
look almost at me. I was in the camel kind
of pretty well blended into the side of the long
grass that I was sitting in up against the trees,

(44:17):
but I didn't have any cover over me, No coop,
just my camel clothes. But I kept hearing this noise
behind me. So I as a videotape van, panning my
camera bag behind me, waiting and I keep thinking, this
bigger elk is going to come out, And then the
elk would kind of spar for a minute more and
then you'd hear some more movement behind me, and the
elk would stop and look, and all of a sudden,

(44:38):
the elk stopped and trotted off, and they were like,
what the heck. So I kept video behind me to
see what came out, like whatever it was moving behind me,
because I just assumed it was a bigger elk, but
nothing ever came out, So I always wonder about that
now I wonder about it. Back then, I was just
like whatever elk went away, but whatever it was spoop

(45:01):
the two younger elk. We hunted in quite a few
spots in the same general area in Pigeon River. Tad
put up a tree stand for me. I don't know
if this was my second year my third year hunting,

(45:24):
but it was again in Pigeon River and it was
pretty easy to get to. We'd park on a two
track and it was real close to the viewing area,
so it was very exciting. But the viewing air there
would be people that would drive through this loop all
the time and try to see the elk while I'm
deer hunting, and so we just hunted out there quite

(45:49):
a bit. I remember one day I went out after
school and I had actually seen a little buck that day,
and I was pretty excited. And then later I saw
a bull elk come through, big bull elk, and I'm
in a tree stand and it was way out in
front of me. And I always stayed till dark because

(46:13):
the things start moving right before dark, so I'd always
stayed till I got dark and then get out of
my tree stand and walk up. And I was by
myself this day. I don't do that anymore, come out
before dark now. And as I'm walking up, you go
like I have to go over like a down tree,
and then you just walk a little bit and it

(46:35):
gets a little bushy on two sides and it goes
up a little hill and then there I am to
the truck. Something was walking kind of beside me, and
I'm like, ooh, is it that deer? It could be
that buck or is that that olk? And i'd hear it,
and I was walking pretty quickly, and I remember I
forgot I was so excited to get to the woods
because after school gets dark so early, and like I

(46:56):
didn't have a lot of time to hunt, that I
didn't change into my boots, I had my school she
was on and I was slipping on the wet leaves,
and but something was like going beside me, like and
I So when I got to the top, I texted
Tad or called him and you know, said something was
coming up the woods beside me. I was standing here,
I could see better in the on the trail. Now

(47:18):
that I'm not in the woods, I have enough light
that I could still shoot if it comes out of
the woods. So I remember I stood there for ten
minutes and waited, but nothing came out of the woods.
So again, this is before I ever knew that something
might parallel you through the woods. So I don't know
in my head it was a deer or nol. But
now but then like years later, I'm like, oh, that happens.

(47:40):
I remember when, So I'm just mentioning that, well.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
I had the same thing. Yeah, and I was at
first when I heard it. I was on I was
on a piece of property. I didn't have permission to hunt,
and I wasn't hunting. I just that part of the
landscape was so interesting. I just I was hunting the

(48:06):
property beside it, and I would always look at it
and I'm like, one of these days, I just want
to walk over there and just check it out. And
then I had steps behind me, and when I would stop,
it would stop, and I was like, oh shit, it's
the landowner. He caught me on his property. And I

(48:27):
never turned around. I didn't have my weapon. I left
my weapon back at the tree stand or at the
bucket my seat, and I started and stopped a couple
of times, and it would do the same thing. But
by time I was getting almost back to where my

(48:48):
weapon was, I was fully convinced that I had a
massive buck that was following me back to my deer
stand or my honeting area. You know, the hair on
the back of my neck is standing up. I'm you know,
breathing labored. I'm excited because behind me, I know I

(49:10):
got this trophy buck. And I turn around and there's
nothing there. And a very short time after that, I
leave the woods. I walk along the tree line through
the field back to my car, and it's something. It

(49:31):
something is walking right beside me on my left side.
Sounds like it's only ten feet into the into the
tree line, and it walks beside me. And I've got
my I've got a light flashlight that's just lighting up
the night. You know. It was by this time, it

(49:54):
was like right at the close of honey, so it
wasn't super dark. But I'm shining my light in there
and there's nothing. I'm looking for one leaf to be
like floating back down to the ground because it got
kicked up, or I'm looking for a branch on a
low piece of low lying brush to be like wiggling

(50:15):
back and forth like something just walked past it. But again,
at this point, I'm just it's this damn deer, you know.
And two thirds of the way I get back to
the car, the motion light on the back of the residence,
the back of their house recognizes me, and the light

(50:38):
kicks on and from that point on, not another sound.
Two thirds of the way back to the car and
it stops. Never didn't see anything. Something was walking there.
And at that point, you know, I mean, I been

(51:00):
into this stuff since I was a kid, but at
that point it never occurred to me that it could
have been that it was in my brain it was
a it was a deer, but that that hunting property

(51:21):
is a ten minute drive from the homestead of the
Gentlemen and the daughters that had the experiences in my
episode two and three. Ten minute drive, so very close
to that place.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Okay, want more?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
All right? Another time Ted and went out on like
a Saturday afternoon ash maybe two just weeken of an
evening hunt to that same place where I had the
tree stand now in Pitching River, and he always uses
his climber stand, and he said, I'll be back another

(52:10):
two hundred yards, so he went further down this trail
and I'm just off to the to the left a
little bit, and I'm never sure because I've never walked
back farther out there how far he went, like, or
where exactly he was sitting. So we were sitting there
and it was still ball season. I remember all of

(52:35):
a sudden I heard whack, and I look in front
of me and there's like pieces of bark falling off
a tree, and I'm like, oh my god, he's that
close to me. I thought he must have just shot
at a deer and the arrow went through a deer
that I didn't see. I don't know why I didn't
see it, but I always have, like I can always
rationalize everything. And so I text him like, did you

(53:00):
shoot something? Because I heard the arrow hit the tree
and like I saw this little bits of bark fly
fly off, and he's like no. Then he goes, you
wouldn't be able to see me where. I am like, Okay,
that was weird. And it happened twice, and the second
time I was like, for sure he had to have

(53:21):
just gotten a deer because I heard another like wa
against a tree and it wasn't him. I don't know
what it was. Maybe a rock hit a tree, maybe
something else. I didn't see anything, just like a little
bits of bark fly you know when you hear it.
And I'm like, what, yeah, so that happened.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
So you weren't hearing a wood knock per se, No,
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I don't think it was a wood knock. I literally
thought it was.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I thought that it would have been a rock.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, I thought it was his arrow and I thought, dude,
you just hit the tree right by me, Like it wasn't.
I don't know, So they that was one weird thing
that had happened in the like maybe probably February or March.
The following year, we had left the tree stand out

(54:12):
there and the DNR will come and take them if
they find them, and so we went out to get it.
And oh that was the year we took the sled
because there was still snow. We must have had the
tree stand there another year. We went back another year
in the spring, and at that time my son was
with us, and there was like the bent two bent

(54:35):
trees that were along the trail. They're on my actual
they're on my Facebook page as like the main picture
of the two trees that are aimed like down.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
They're just like bent down, bent bent like in an
arch or no, they.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Were snapped off, but they were right beside the trail.
So those if you look at my Tater Big Stomp
Facebook account, that's the picture that's on there, is those
two trees. They were there. And then we wandered through
and we saw some other things I had, like I
posted a video of some like weird. There was like
an arch and it was held down with like another
tree like but it was also wound a little bit.

(55:12):
It was it was weird I was called the trees
that the arches. I call them like fling trees, like
like I like like a cartoon character, you know, a
bunny walks up to the trap and then it goes
flying through the air, like yeah. Yeah. So there was
there was just that stuff. Well, that's that stuff's on
my Facebook. I posted that stuff. But I think that's

(55:37):
it for that side of the street. And then we
started going to the opposite side. This two track comes
off of main road Sturgeon Valley Road, which goes in
from Vanderbilt into Pitchin River State Forest, and it's paved there,
but there's the two track to one side with the
viewing area, and then on the other side there was

(55:58):
this other two track, and some times people put campers
right at the front of it, right off of Sturgeon
Valley Road, and you go down down this trail quite
a way and there's this giant, really steep hill and
at the and then it goes right back up. And
so we would go out there and we drive down
this really steep hill and park in the valley park.

(56:22):
There was like a little area that we would park
and and that goes into another viewing area that the
DNR like that. The DNR plows them, plants them for
the elk. But this one's not necessarily like a viewing
area where people can drive by it because it's really
hard to get to. It's a beautiful area. And you

(56:44):
you walk into this big open field and in the
center of this field there's like an island of trees.
It's pretty a pretty big island of trees. And then
but the field goes all the way around it and
then it goes off into another field, and like it's
it's beautiful, and so we call that our island the
island force. Let's go onto the.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Island fairly sizable, then I assume, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Just absolutely beautiful. And there we would see lots of
elk in there, we see lots of deer. We we'd
go out there quite a bit. One day, we had
both of our kids with us, and again my son
with his cerebral palsy, we had we help him to

(57:33):
get out there. I mean, he walks, he drives, he
does all this stuff, but he really is like uses
one hand. So we get him set up in a
pop up tent and he has like a shooting rack
for his he could he and my daughter could use
guns because they're they're tribal and so during this season

(57:55):
they can help with a rifle when I have to
use my bow and my husband has to use the bow.
So Nate's set up with his gun, and we moved
around the other side of the island where I normally
sit if I'm with Nate, because he doesn't want me
to be in the tent with him, but I always

(58:18):
stay really close. And he also has epilepsy, so I
stay really close, but just in case. So we went
around this island part and Katie's not very far away,
but she's facing the other direction, and so she can
see into the woods here and she can see like
down really far into the other field. And Tad had

(58:40):
gone off on his own and he's going to go
way out with his tree stand on his back, and
I'm just going to be somewhere near the kids, not
in a coop. I was just going to be on
the ground. Well, Katie. Well, getting Katie set up, she says, look,
there's a deer right there. I mean, we were barely there.

(59:01):
We were still making noise getting set up, and so
I get Nate's attention and my son pops it and
it goes off into the woods. So Tad wasn't even
set up in his tree stand yet when when Nate
shot his deer, so he hit it, Yeah, he hit
the deer, and but it went into the woods, out

(59:25):
of the field, into the woods. So I get Katie
set up the rest of the way, and I just
kind of hang out for a while, and I'm like, well,
I'm going to go back into the woods this way.
Don't obviously, don't shoot for a little bit till I
get back there, and.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Don't kill mom.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, don't kill mom. So then I'm in the woods
further back, and I'm trying to like look further deer
because I don't know how far that deer went, and
I don't find it. And I ended up like paralleling
the field down quite a ways to where it kind
of like bottlenecks a little bit, and and it kind
of opens up into another little field, and I was

(01:00:05):
back there, and I remember I was kind of coming out,
but I had to be careful because the way Nate
was shooting would have been towards that area if Nate
tried to take another one. So Katie started texting me,

(01:00:29):
but I could see a deer there was a deer
there and it was coming in. So I'm like on
my hands and these kind of just like squatting and
trying to slowly inch forward because I could see a
deer and I'm like, I might be able to get
this with my bow if I stay real quiet. So
Katie texted and she's like, Mom, come back, come back.
Something's getting in the tree stand trying some things, trying

(01:00:52):
to get my coop, and I'm like, no, there's not
you know, and I'm like, just be quiet. There's a
deer by me. I'm waiting, and so I'm texting and
I'm like, Nate, whatever you do, don't shoot this in
this direction right now, because I'm probably gonna be coming
out just a little bit further. So I waited and

(01:01:15):
she my daughter's just like mom, please please. So she's
calling and she's whispering please Mom. I'm scared. I'm scared,
Please come back. And I'm like, my god, you know,
I go just a second. Something's throwing things at me.
I was like imagining like little squirrels. There's like little
pieces of bark hitting me. As I'm sitting there watching
this deer. She's she's really frantic and so finally I'm like, Nate,

(01:01:40):
absolutely put your gun down because I'm getting up and
I'm gonna come through the field because Katie's frantic, So
I come on and she's like, mom, something's coming in
the tent something like and I'm like, I can see
the tent. There's nothing in it. There's nothing by you, honey.
Maybe it's a mouse. Don't panic. Maybe it's a mouse
or a shrew or something. You're fine. So I go

(01:02:02):
back and get her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
You could see her her hunting blind perfectly from where
you were at. You could see I mean, it was far.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It was a couple hundred yards down, but she was
right on the edge of the field, on the opposite
side because it's all this open field, so I mean,
I couldn't see the backside of it. But I went
down and got her, and she was freaked out and
she was scared, and she said.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
How old is she at this point?

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Maybe thirteen at the most. Okay, I don't remember what
year that was, although she still talks about the year
I let her brother shoot her deer because she's the
one that saw it and I pointed it out to
her brother. So anyway, she's freaked out, so we pack up,
she's ready to go, and she said it was so weird,

(01:02:52):
like the trees came out of the the trees came
out into the field and they were like dancing. What
she says, I don't get it, mom. The trees came
out into the field and we're dancing, and she was
just weird right out. So we went home and we
never did find the deer that day. Ted went out

(01:03:13):
and found it the next.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Morning, came out into the field and we're dancing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Yep, And like she loved like finding Bigfoot and stuff.
Both the kids did when they were younger and now
they're like, oh god, how embarrassing. But she's always held on.
So she was I know that weird stuff is out
there because the days the day the trees came out
into the field and we're dancing, and this was during
this time where she's freaking out that something was trying

(01:03:40):
to come into her tent. So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
See that that kind of stuff. Did she ever talk
about like, well, obviously she was panicked, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah, she was panicked. She didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
These kind of things always make me go back to
somehow having our perception altered you know, you looked behind
your tree, you saw something you couldn't reconcile, and then

(01:04:26):
all of a sudden everything went back to normal, except
now you have a grouse that's acting wounded at the
base of your tree. You don't really have any good
reconciliation as far as how to describe what you saw.
Your daughter sees trees come out of the woods and

(01:04:50):
they're dancing around. And you know, a lot of people
rip on Ron Warhead for his quantum bigfoot theories, and
but when you when you start, when you start taking
into consideration the possibility that these things operate on a

(01:05:14):
a different frequency, or can can produce a frequency that
is outside of our range of perception. I don't. I don't.
I don't think I you know what I say that,
But then I see, you know, I forget who it was.

(01:05:35):
Had a video of something that it was a female researcher,
maybe out in the Pacific Northwest, Kathy Strain. Maybe it
was had the video where it looked like the predator
jumping out of a tree down onto the ground. Is

(01:06:00):
that who it was to shoot?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah? Not sure?

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
So, you know, I mean, I've been under the the
theory that if these things can produce a different vibration
or different frequency, whether it be through infrasound or some
kind of vocal capability, that they may be able to

(01:06:25):
because just the idea of something being able to go
cloaked seems so insanely science fiction. But the idea that
they could affect our perception of what we see because
of vibration or frequency would make more sense to me.

(01:06:45):
But she actually got that on video, so I guess
that kind of defeats my hypothesis, I guess, But it's
just it's so strange that the the oddness of what
some people perceive. How do they if it was even that?

(01:07:15):
I mean, trees I don't think are known for moving,
let alone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Getting up and coming into the field.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
How strange.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Right, Another time, Nate, my son, and I were out
hunting and it was the day before rifle season started,

(01:07:55):
and Nate hit a Yeah, Nate still had his gun.
I believe he had his gun, and I had my bow.
He might have had his crossbow. I can't remember now,
how because because his rifle season ends for a little
while and then he has to use a bow and
then then I think so he might have had his crossbow.
That day, but Nate was maybe in eighth grade at

(01:08:20):
this time. Tad and his buddy had come into Pigeon
River off Sturgeon Valley Road and had set up in
that area, I said, right off next to the road.
They were going to camp there for Opening Day, so
that they were hunting. And I don't like Opening Day

(01:08:40):
in the woods because it's packed on state land and
it's too much and I'm always a friend to get shot,
so again, there's people everywhere out there. It just really sucks.
So they were gonna hunt and they were setting up camp,
and so I took Nate out and we went down
that two trick down that big hill I was telling

(01:09:01):
you about, and parked at the bottom of it, and
he was in his little pop up tent thing, and
I was just sitting in the open off on kind
of like the corner so I could see it, and
I had my bow. So, I mean, I don't have
much luck of shooting any think i'd see a lot
of things, but far off, you know, you have to
be pretty close with a bow, and it's a compound

(01:09:24):
bo so thirty yards, you know, forty yards would probably
be too much. So I'm just sitting there under a tree,
enjoying how beautiful it is, and Nate's hunting, and the
coyotes start going off, and they're going off to the
opposite side, Like so if Nate's facing this way, I'm

(01:09:45):
kind of facing this way. They're over here, and they're
just really going off in a way I've never heard before,
and they are insane, and Nate texts and I can
see the back of Nate's coop from where I'm at too,
Like again, I stay close to him and he he's like, monk,
we go, and I'm like, no, we'll wait till dark,

(01:10:08):
not yet. Give it, you know, give it twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Minutes, damn kids.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
And I was going to start trying to like record
it on my phone, the coyotes howling, because it was
so cool and I wanted to show my students at
school how cool it sounded. But just then off. So
I'm in this island type thing and there's a little

(01:10:32):
strip of field before it opens to the big field,
and then there's the woods on this side. Off to
the side. I hear what my brain tells me is
a siren, and immediately my brain is saying, oh no,
a hunter must have fallen out of their tree stand like,

(01:10:54):
and it's like and it gets louder and louder, and
then then like as fast as that thought came, I'm like,
there's no roads over there. There's not an ambulance out there.
I thought it was an ambulance, but then I was like,
it's weird. It sounded like an airhorn from like wartime.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
And you're and you're nowhere near the Grayling facility.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
No, no, we're in Pigeon River. And so like a
bunch of thoughts all at once, like ambulance, somebody's injured.
Oh no, to how could an ambulance get back there?
There's no roads back there, that's all woods there for
a long long way. And it sounded very close, and
so it keep sktting out of the coyotes are just

(01:11:39):
going insane. The siren thing is going off and it's
getting higher and higher and higher and higher pitched. And
it ended kind of like with this big raw like
it changed, and I jumped up with my pack and
my bow. I I'm like grab Nate and he's standing

(01:12:04):
up and he's got his gun, and just leave the coop,
leave the chair, whatever, leave it, leave it. And so
he's like, what is that I'm like, I don't know,
but the coyotes shut up when that happened. I never
did get to record it. So we're hauling it back.
We just have maybe one hundred and twenty yards back

(01:12:24):
to the truck. But it's through like this I think tackles.
It a CRP field where the DNR plants it. So
it's they plant like all this tall. I don't know
what it is that the elk eat, but it's rutted
from all the elk prints in this fields. It's hard
to walk in the what the elk eat is long,
it kintangles round your feet. So we're hauling as fast

(01:12:47):
as we can. It's not quite dark yet, and I
drove a trail blazer and we opened the trail blazer
and I'm like a safety per first kind of girl,
but I just throw my bow in, I grab his gun,
put it on this. He jumps in and I'm like
flooring it and reverse and hoping to god my trailblazer
makes it up that hill. And we get up to

(01:13:09):
the top of the hill and I'm like, oh, thank God,
we made it, like because the hill was really steep
and it would usually I'd have to put it in
four wheel and make sure I could get it up
there that hill and maybe and Nate looks at me
and it's like that wasn't a coyote. And I just
remember Nate was younger and I didn't like cuss in

(01:13:30):
front of him at that time. And I said basically
the same thing I said to Tad, like when the
day when he goes to Junior that and I swore
two mice on. I remember I swore to Nate and
I felt so bad because it came right out of
my mouth. And we drove up the trail to where
Tad and his buddy were setting up their camp and

(01:13:52):
it was three quarters of a mile because we've since
clocked it three quarters of a mile away. And we
get up, get out, and the guys are like, hey,
like did you hear it? And they're like, yeah, what
was it? And his body's like it had to have
been an elk I had. I'm like, like I was terrified.
I was like, that is not an elk. You heard
an elk bugle? That is definitely not an elk. And

(01:14:14):
they could hear the coyotes going off too, and they
were pretty freaked out. That was a big one. I
don't know. I think that one affected me more than
the first one. When Dad and I got screamed at.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Have you you know, admittedly you you go down the
rabbit hole and you have you come across recordings that
are similar to what you heard.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, I guess I can't say, like if it sounded
like the Ohio howell or it just to me the
initial sound was like a siren. I thought it was
a siren and it just but an old fashioned siren.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Like like that like World War two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, it just started. I remember all these weird thoughts
went through my head, but I was like, you know,
I'm in the middle of the forest. There's no way
an ambulance would be in there. If somebody was injured,
they'd have to like send people out with stretchers to
you know, through there to get to to get to them.
So that was really really scary. I don't really remember

(01:15:38):
anything else right after that. Sometime later we still hunted
that field, the island field. We don't we have it
for like two to three years now because the DNR

(01:15:58):
CAMC were blocked off the trail to get down there
with like all these route balls and stuff, so we
can't get down there anymore. I know. So people still
can't at that area, and you can still walk back
in there, but I mean it's really far and then
to go down that giant hill if you were to

(01:16:19):
get something while hunting, like, I can't imagine pulling it
up that hill.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
It. See. I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist here,
but that almost seems kind of well intentional.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Maybe, I don't know. I wonder if it's to protect,
like to protect the field. Too many people are out there.
We've been out there since, we've walked out there. In fact,
my tree stand for a few years we had a
tree stand out even farther into that field, and I
had one for a couple of years out there, and
nothing else weird happened, well, not in the tree stand days.

(01:16:59):
Trying to think. I don't know exactly when this was,
but one day it was a Saturday, and Date and
I were out and Nate wasn't sitting in the island
field that day. He where I said, it kind of
goes in and bottlenecks and then opens up to another
little area and then it goes into it like a
long trail that Nate was sitting in a different area

(01:17:23):
farther back in a little tent, and so I wasn't
in the island field either. I don't know why we
weren't in the island field that day, but I was
off to this side in the woods and there's like
a little clearing and there's a hill and there's this
giant tree and I like to sit under this giant tree.
And I usually am not in like a pop up

(01:17:44):
tent when I'm on the ground. I'm just on the ground.
And we were just out there. Nothing too exciting was happening,
and Nate was like, Mom, I need you come, come,
come get I don't know how way said, but mom,
two big brown things walking. And I texted back, bigfoot cool,

(01:18:09):
I'm on my way, And so I grabbed my stuff
and started head into.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Him and serious or was that a joke?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
No, no, he was serious. He was scared.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
No more response.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Yeah that was my response. Yeah, that was my response,
big foot cool, I'm on my way. Because I was
hoping you're like, oh my gosh, maybe maybe we'll say
a bigfoot. I don't know. Again, I'm like this naive
airhead kind of thing when I'm in the woods. All
my common sense disappears.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
That's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
I no, no, I don't know. So I hustle over
to where it is and you and I had to
go through the woods and across this that ruddy field
and get to him. So I was like, let him
know I'm coming. And so he sit in the coop
and look it up at me kind of wide eyed,
and I'm like, where where did you see this? And
He's like over there? Any point did I go? Just

(01:19:06):
stay there? And I went wandering around. I didn't see anything,
and he's like, yeah, right in that area. I'm like,
that's funny, that's where that I was that first day
when Katie said that. I didn't tell nath this, but
it was when the day Katie had like something's coming
to my tent. I was in the area and I
was like, just a minute, the squirrels are throwing pieces

(01:19:26):
of bark at me or whatever I had said, something's
throwing pieces of wood chips at me. It was kind
of in that area. So we didn't see anything, we
didn't hear anything, and we left and that was the
end of that. I think it was the maybe the h.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Did he ever give you a description of what he
was seeing?

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
No? I asked him yesterday because I knew I was
going to mention this, and he says, I don't really remember, Mom,
I don't really remember. He remembers the screen better and
how terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
It was, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
He says he doesn't really remember. So it might have
been the next day, it might have been the following weekend,
and Tad was with us this time, and so Tad
was taken Nay and they were going from that valley
we park and down the big hill. They were gonna
go like behind where we normally go, and I went
into the big field and I'm like, hmm, that wasn't

(01:20:28):
quite sure where I was gonna sit at that time.
But when as I'm coming in from where we park,
you kind of walk in a little bit and then
you turn and then there's this big open expanse of
this field and the island is in front of you,
and then that bottleneck thing is down here. So I
come around the corner of the woods right here, like

(01:20:49):
I'm walking in field opens up and I off way back.
I see something and to me at like, my first
thought was like it was a pickup truck with a
giant brown house type fork built on top. Of it,

(01:21:10):
and I remember being like, what the hell, And then
I kind of went down a little dip and I
couldn't see it again for a minute, and I'm like,
it's got to be a truck. They must have just
gotten an elk or something. It must be something that's
an elk permit, and they got a truck in here somehow.
And so I go up the little and I look
again and there's absolutely nothing there. There's absolutely nothing there.

(01:21:37):
And I actually walked all the way back there and
walked around and there's nothing there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
And so I sat back there, nothing, nothing to indicate
that it could have been there. And when side of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
It moved like yeah, I had no there's no no,
I don't know there was. I just remember feeling like
it was a big brown truck with a big brown
like house thing. It was just this massive thing was
back there. And we've been back there so many times
at this point, so.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Like, describe what what made you what made you say
like it had a house on it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
I just felt like it did it go to a
peak at the top of it or I don't know,
or is that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
That I don't fully remember.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
That perception that you had of a truck with a
house on top of it. Yeah, it like is that like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Completely dark brown weird? It would have been way too high,
you know, obviously if it was like some weird hunting
stand or something, it would have been way too high
for a truck to be able to drive with something
like that in it. I don't know what it was.
I don't know. I just I saw something. But then
I walked back all the way back there, and so

(01:22:58):
I sat where Nate was the day he said, hey,
two big brown things. And I sat there and the
only thing that happened that it was it was really
windy that day, and I remember that I smelled as
skunk and I was like, oh no, oh, no, I
could I think it was a skunk. I didn't think

(01:23:20):
it was like you know, I know bigfoots supposedly have
a smell, but I thought it was a skunk. And
that was my only fear, is that I had that
funny smell blow in for a little bit during it
was so windy, and we didn't stay very long that day.
The guys just were like, it's too windy to be
in their coop, so.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Not trying to labor the whole truck with the house
on it. Thing, how far from it were you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I wish Tad was here. He's better at that stuff.
Two football fields maybe two and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Okay, And from the time that you first saw it
and you were like that don't fucking make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I don't know. It was just real brief. But I'm
the person that will walk up to people in the woods,
and so I was like so excited. My first thought
was like, something must have gotten an elk or something
and they're hauling it out. But they only had just
a few seconds to think that. Yeah, And I was
going to go ask. I was going to go be
nosy because I talked to everybody, and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
I guess, I guess the roundabout point that I'm getting
at is if you were able to see that from
your vantage point, then clearly you would have been within
vision of whatever that was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Yeah, because that was higher, it was on higher ground,
and plus it was a way up. It was big.
I mean, if something was looking because I could walk
in right next to the trees. So there's like because
it's all planted up high, and so the very edge
along the trees is probably the best place to walk
where because it's a planted field.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
So many, so many things about your mm hmm, your experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Tend to like fall into I don't I'm not going
to say misidentification, but more altered perception mm hm, which.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Which is very state of confusion.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Which is, you know, maybe the words I'm using don't
make it seem to fall into that category, but when
you've dug into it as much as I have and
talk to the number of people who have had these experiences,

(01:26:07):
that is a very common component to most people's experiences
is at some point there being something that doesn't make sense,
like what's going through your brain about what's happening in
it at that moment doesn't make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Yep, what do you think that is? But I guess
are are we through the your experiences?

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
No, okay, all right, then I'll save. Then I'll save.
Then I'll save my question for me to more tails
what you think is going on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
We had another day that Nate and Tad and I
were hunting in that island field. Nate was in his
usual spot in the island facing the field. I was
on the side, sitting on like the side of the
island facing the other woods, and Chad went with his

(01:27:24):
tree stand out further again wherever he goes. And I
was really excited because I could hear movement in the
woods and I had my bow with me at the time.
It was both season, and it was just so exciting, like, yes,
because if it's come, if something comes out of the
woods right here this because you only can shoot so

(01:27:45):
far again with the bow, I had a good chance
because it sounded like it was going to come right
into the field by me, in this little narrow section
of field and Nate wouldn't be able to see it
and get it with his gun. And it was tad
and it was so mad. I'm like, what are you doing.
We sneaks up by me, cuts across the little section

(01:28:07):
of field, comes up by me. He goes, I just
got growled at. I just got in my tree. Something
growled at me. And I'm like no. He's like, yeah,
he guys, let's go. And I'm like, we can't go.
We just got nan all the way out here. Let's
just we got an hour hour and a half till dark.

(01:28:30):
He goes, I'm going to be in the truck and
he said, so he did, and we hunted nothing happen
the rest of the night, but when on the ride home,
he said it was kind of like a lion's like
that girl with that kind of growly sound. And I
think he said he heard it twice, but he had
just got into his thing and it was that low

(01:28:51):
rumble like growl, and it unnerved him enough that he
went and sat in the truck.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Okay, so obviously you and your house been spent a
lot of time in the woods. You hunt a lot.
What is out there as far as large game, elk, bear,
de do any of those Do any of those things

(01:29:18):
exhibit that kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
A cougar could? I think a cougar could if there
was a cougar out there, but we hadn't heard any
reports of that being out there yet. This was a
few years back, so I don't know. And elk definitely
wouldn't do that, so he didn't. It just it unnerved

(01:29:42):
him a little bit. Didn't see anything, nobody saw anything.
The last thing I was going to mention was, we're
also our family also bear hunts. The kids being tribaled
have gotten bear tags more than once, and both my

(01:30:05):
kids have gotten a bear Ted got a bear tag
too one year and he got a bear. So we
have this bear spot that we hunt and we call
it the Spooky Forest because it's just we have names
for everything. So this is we hunt in the Spooky Forest,
which is also in Pigeon River, and it's far. There's

(01:30:26):
like another twenty five minutes further in to the forest
from where we where all this other stuff had happened.
And one day we were driving out there and we
were going to walk into the Spooky Forest. We were
just driving past it, and like Ted had built this

(01:30:46):
hut out there that Nate and Katie we would deer
hunting stuff in. But we were driving past it because
there's another one of those fields that is planted by
the in our and sometimes when you can go up
there you see some the nice big elk and it's
just really pretty. So we're driving, we drive past where

(01:31:10):
the Spooky Forest is and you're just going down this
trail and then it opens up into one of those
big fields and the trail would line it like this,
and so we're the woods is really thick for a
few minutes, it's not very long, and then we get it.
We go in and I'm ready, you know, like on

(01:31:30):
the edge of my seat, hoping to see the elk
because we just really enjoy that. And I see something
big walking right next to the woods on the far
side of that field, and I yelled out, stop the
bleeping truck, and so ted stops and right there there's

(01:31:55):
like a rock pile and with all those greenery shrubs,
and I go I was free and yeah, black my view,
and so they pulled back and then it was gone.
But what I saw it was like this huge back
and this one is like more than any of the
other ones. I would say that would have been a

(01:32:17):
big foot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
It was like this reddish color and the grass was
pretty high, but it was this big, big back with
a bump for a head, and I remember it was
black down the center of the back and I was like,
is that its skin or is it? First I see
this and yeah, I was excited. I was cussing the

(01:32:41):
time Tip pulled up, which was only a second later,
it was gone, and I'm like, getting the field, get
in the field. So he drove up into the field
and drove right up to where we saw it. I
got out and everything. We didn't see anything.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Did he see it as well?

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
No, I'm the only that saw. I think Nate was
with us too, and so that one I truly believe
what I saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Day was how how far do you think you were?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Eighty yards?

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Maybe also close.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
It was often an angle, and it was just I
just remember like big bulky shoulders, big bulky oranges shoulders,
a little bump on top, and like a black stripe
down the center, like it needed its hair dyed or
was that its skin, you know, like the roots. That's right.

(01:33:36):
So that happened, and other things have happened, like we've
found structures, and we've found weird bent trees and weird
things kind of all around. But I'm always looking.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Always want any of the any of the conferences or
or get togethers that I've ever seen you at. Your
husband's always there with you. Yeah, So I would assume
that either one, he's a very good husband and he's

(01:34:14):
just humoring you, or there's a significant interest.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Oh, definitely a significant interest, Like he's the one that
was a believer. In the beginning, I wasn't, So now
I'm always looking. I'm always asking anything weird happen out there.
I bartend in the summer and sometimes people come in
they're like, oh, yeah, we were working out in near

(01:34:41):
Camp Grayling on some oil wells or like suck anything
weird happen anything. I'm always asking And then if I
say the word bigfoot, you know, I get laughed at.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
That's funny you mentioned oil wells. Yeah, because I'm currently
working on what could end up being a series. A
gentleman that I first met at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference
the first year I was there. They drive tankers that

(01:35:21):
remove water from oil pads in Pennsylvania and Virginia, and
so far he has given me contact information for I
believe eight or nine drivers that are all too scared

(01:35:47):
to go because usually they have to. They're using it's
a one man crew. They go to these pads in
the evening, in the dark. They're all very remote, and
they're all reporting things walking around the outside of the pads,

(01:36:14):
just outside of being able to see just far enough
outside of however far their headlights or their their their
headlamps cast cast any light. That's that's a that's a
strange mm hmmm. Probably more related to being remote rather

(01:36:43):
than anything to do with oil.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
But yeah, those oil things are pretty close behind my
house too, and I don't even know if it was
like oil fields that when I talk to those guys,
they were working on something and they were outside and
they were there for a month. I can't remember what
they were. I mean, they were working on whatever. But
those oil things are behind my house, and nothing happens
behind my house in Galer.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
I guess that would be uh happy for that. I
don't know. I mean, yeah, are you happy about that
or would you rather have I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
I just don't want my dogs to get hurt if
anything were to be out there. When Ted first started
coming in my life, because I'm Ted's my second husband,
our bonfire pit used to be back off our property
a little farther into the woods, and it's since I
moved it up closer into the yard. But we were

(01:37:36):
out there having a bonfire and we heard some movement
back there, and at the time, I just assumed it
was these high school kids that tend to harass us,
and because I asked them to drive slow because kids
and little kids in the neighborhood. So I but we
heard movement back there by the bonfire pit by us,
and we all just we went inside. But I just

(01:37:57):
always assumed it was those ny high schoolers that were ignorant.
That's the only there was a supposeless sighting not too
far from our house years ago, like long, long time ago,
sixties maybe, And you're an outhouse or something on Hayes
Tower Road, which is kind of just behind my road,

(01:38:19):
but long time ago. So I don't feel like there's
only anything by my house. But I'm always watching, always interested,
always listening, looking.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
You know, you kind of threw some shade at and
rightfully so at the uh you know the TV shows
Finding Bigfoot and all that stuff earlier in the conversation,
and oh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
We loved them.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
I mean, even though I don't think they've done anything
to progress the legitimate research or investigation into this, they
were entertaining and if nothing else, at least got people
more interested in the topic. I just I just finished

(01:39:07):
the most recent season of Expedition Bigfoot last night, Okay.
And you know it's anytime you have, anytime you're able
to talk to people who have been doing research in this,

(01:39:30):
and you've you've seen that they've been in this for
forty years, fifty years, thirty five years, and the very
small amount of things that they have come up personally
experienced that have continued to keep them in the subject.

(01:39:52):
When you watch a TV show that seems to get
some kind of significant experien in each episode, it's kind
of makes it hard to believe. I'm not saying anybody
would go out and do anything nefarious like baking it,
but but I think that they I think those shows

(01:40:20):
do encourage people to start doing their own research, start
heading down the rabbit hole themselves, rather than just paying
attention to those shows. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
I love those shows. But I don't know. I'm not
out there in the middle of the night either. I'm
too scared, yeah to be out there, so I I
don't I don't go out there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
But yet you're not afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
I'm not going to find anything out in the middle
of the night, right, yet.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
You're you're not afraid to continue to go out Honey.
You know so many times you hear people who have hunted.
You know, it cracks me up because, like, you know,
I've hunted my whole life. Well, you know, that equates
to a couple of weeks every year. You know, even
if you're going after multiple species, you're still you haven't

(01:41:22):
been in the woods your whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I've still never gotten a buck and a lot of years,
have still never gotten a buck. I've gotten three dough
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
What would you attribute the weirdness that you your entire family?
I mean because both children, yourself, your husband, you've all
had experiences out there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Well, I think there's something out there. I don't I
don't know. Can it be an energy thing that can
distort you? Like I haven't heard this word in quite
some time, but zapping. I remember when I first heard
about zapping. I was like, is that what happened to

(01:42:18):
me that day? Everything? When I was in my tree stand,
I was like, everything changed behind me? Did I get zapped? Like?
Is that really a thing? I've heard a lot of
people talk about that in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
Well that that used to be a common term. Yeah,
And even I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Just said, I don't know. I'm curious. I don't know
what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
But that was the word that finally came to my
mind about three or four days after the experience I
had during the interview with the witch, and it hit
me out of the clear blue. I was like, holy shit,
that's what they were talking about. And then like what

(01:43:05):
I took into consideration the lack of sound that I
recorded on my equipment, but with as bombastic and as
loud and as abrupt of a reaction that I had
to it when it happened. Then it started leading me

(01:43:29):
down the path of the way it affected me made
me think that I heard something, but it was more
of a physical reaction to it, So like the whole
idea behind infrasound and that wave of chills that I got,

(01:43:51):
would you know, it was really prevalent, and then it
kind of backed off a little bit, and then it
kind of came back, only it wasn't quite as strong,
and then it and then, like I said, three or
four days later, it finally hit me. It's like it
was almost like a static charge that the first time
it hit me it was like really strong, and then

(01:44:12):
the next time it wasn't quite as strong, and then
then and I'm like, that's what that's what people are
talking about when they say they've been zapped.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Mm hmm. I wasn't sick or anything after that experience.
I know. Sometimes I've read that people get sick after.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
I wasn't either, but I do I do think it
would be safe to say that it was It was
disorienting for me, and and it put It put two
very strange thoughts in my mind. In my mind immediately
when it happened, I thought I left my gun out

(01:44:55):
in my car immediately, and then right after that the
thought was, shit, I've got forty pounds of dog food
in my back seat, Like why why would that? I mean,
I shouldn't have anything to do with It's strange. So

(01:45:20):
where's your head at with everything that? With everything that
you guys have, the weirdness that you've experienced.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Well, I definitely believe there's bigfoot. I definitely believe there's
more than one bigfoot. Like people at my school know,
you know, they don't know in detail, but they know
that I believe in bigfoot. My classroom was decorated with bigfoot.

(01:45:52):
But so every once in a while some will ask
me something and then it's always comical to me because
then they'll be like, oh, so you think there's more
than one? And it just kind of want to slap them.
And I really do now, but at the beginning I didn't.
I mean, I thought there could only be two, and
that's why we moved to this other location, you know,

(01:46:15):
and I thought we were away from it, you know. Yeah,
it's I definitely believe they're out there. I truly believe
that there's aliens out there. I believe in spirits, I
believe in all that stuff. I don't know. With the bigfoots,
I love the idea that they're a native tribe.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Or that's where my head sits.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
I love that, But at the same time, I feel
like they have a little something something.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
That I don't disagree. I don't disagree with something there. Yeah,
I'm not one who shies away from the the more
supernatural ass Yeah, I normal aspects.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
I like the the Ron Morehead ideas and that stuff.
And why did something disappear behind me? Or was I
just in a state of shock or I don't know.
Someday I'm going to get hypnotized.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
I'm glad you brought that back up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
I want to get hypnotized. I have been hypnotized three times,
like for stress, like for that, but so I know
I am able to be hypnotized. And I talked to
the lady about like, have you ever done any of that,
like past life regression kind of thing or bigfoot things,

(01:47:42):
and she just kind of like, nope, Nope, I haven't
don any of that. So I'm like, okay, So you're
not the lady for me, but I didn't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
Well, maybe finding somebody who wouldn't have any predisposition to
would be the best, the best for it, because I
mean so the thing that you know, as far as
hypnotism goes, or regressive therapy, I guess you'd call it

(01:48:09):
maybe more accurately these days. You know, you don't want
to be you don't want to be led either questioning.
You don't want you don't want their their perception to
plant anything false. Right, So maybe somebody with no no

(01:48:38):
predisposition to belief in or against it might be the
better way to go. Yeah, So if you if you did,
if you did decide that you're going to do this,
what would be three things that you would want to

(01:49:03):
focus on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
I want to see what was behind that tree when
I was in the tree stand behind you. I'd want
to re see the two hunters slash big black deer.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
That's still so strange that you referred to them as
I know in your brain you saw a father and
a son, but then you message your husband they were
black deer.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Is I want to know where are they? Where do
they live? Are they safe? You know? Do they hate
when we're in the woods hunting, do they you know?
Like I don't know. And I'm going to be in
the woods a lot starting next week because in Gaylord
we have an elk heard that is it's like in

(01:49:53):
a viewing area downtown and big, huge open area and
they have like little is it called fallow deer and
the elk and they're in this thing and there's like
a nature walk around nature trail out there, but you
can drive up and see the elk too. And I've
been checking every day for them to be dropping their antlers,

(01:50:15):
and just two days ago I drove up and there
I saw an antler on the ground. I was like,
yes this time. So I'll be doing lots of hiking
in the woods here in the coming weeks before the
ticks come out to look for antlers. I found some
of the past, so I'll be back out there and
maybe something else weird will happen. You know, I'm mindful.

(01:50:39):
I look at tracks, I look at bent trees and
structures and listen to everything.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
But nothing's really. Nothing's really I guess from like listening
to your whole your whole arc, encompassing any of the
experiences you've had you're still not afraid to go back
out in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
So many other people that even have a benign experience
just witnessing seeing something walking through the woods, and they're like,
I'm done. I don't want to be out there anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
I don't like to go into the woods in the
dark anymore. It used to not phase me at all,
and I don't sit till dark anymore. When when I
had my bear permit, for example, and we'd go into
the spooky forest, I would always turn on my camera

(01:51:41):
to record, and I'd record the whole walk in in
case I walked up on something, or in case something
screamed at me again. And then nothing happened tole you know,
there's a twenty minute video. I just I would make
it just in case, you know, because I missed that
big howl or that big screen one the time with

(01:52:01):
my son, because that was about to record all the
coyotes going off. It just it sucks to so much
stuff has happened. I would love to catch some of
it sometime. I do. I just remember too. One other
time I was hunting in a different area and Pits
River and it was very cold and it was very windy,

(01:52:23):
and I was up on top of a ridge a hill,
and there was this big old tree way down at
the end. And I remember when I first was walking
into where I was gonna go sit that day, there
was a really loud thud on the tree, and all
of a sudden, so many of the leaves came off
the tree. A branch didn't break or anything, but it

(01:52:48):
was just so many leaves, like the wind was blowing
the leaves off all of the trees. But after that
big like thud, it was like tons and tons of
leaves came off. So I just always also wondered about
that one thing hit that tree and make those or
did something jump out of that tree or I don't know,
that was just one more thing that just popped in
my head that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
It's funny that you say jumping out of the tree,
because it's so so many of the accounts of the
reports people who have had experiences. Everything is ground based, right,
but yet based on based on the morphology of many

(01:53:36):
of the footprints, castings, and handprints that have been found
on windows, extremely big, you know, thirteen inch handprints with
a very short thumb, and that is very primate like

(01:53:57):
and usually suggest uss a boreal behavior, meaning being in
the trees. Kind an interesting conversation with a gentleman once,
and I think I think the conversation started with speaking

(01:54:21):
is to the trackways, how their footprints seem to always
be one right in front of the other, whereas we
kind of you could put a two by four between
the way we walk and there's always a little bit
of space, whereas theirs are one directly in front of
the next. And he said that's because as juveniles, they

(01:54:46):
spend the vast majority of the time in the trees,
so muscle memory, they're walking across branches for the beginning
parts of their lives, just like walking across the balancing beam,

(01:55:06):
so their natural progression of how they walk as they
grow up continues to be in a straight line. Not
many people talk about things in the trees. I wonder
if we spend a little bit more time looking up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
If Tad was here, he'd laugh, because I do spend
time looking up because my biggest fear in the woods
is a cougar is going to eat me. And so
no a cougar. I don't want to be eaten by
a big cougar. And so in the spooky forest where
we bear hunt on the way and there's these two
ginormous trees and I call them the cougar trees, and

(01:55:52):
I can't go buy them until I stop and look
up and make sure there's not They're just huge and
like what you would see in a movie where the
cougar jumps out of the tree and takes out the person.
So yeah, that is that's a bigger fears. I don't
want to be eating by cougar.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
So I know that you've been a part of a.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Group, the West Branch group.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Mm hmm, started by Phil Shaw, God rest his soul.
Do you go? Do you go out on? I don't
know if you want to call them expeditions or you know,
research night.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
I went out with Phil Sewn, Sherry Barcia, and Tad
and myself one night and they drove to Pigeon River
and we took them to that area where I had
said I'd seen the big the big brown truck with
the hut, and where Nate had seen the two big
brown things walking. So we kind of sat out there.

(01:57:05):
We didn't stay really long, we were just out there
for a few hours. We had explored other areas and
we just sat out there for a while and he
had a night vision and Cherry tried doing some calls
and it was an uneventful evening. And then only one
other time I went on a camp out with them,
and but I ended up getting sick in the night

(01:57:29):
and we ended up leaving Ted and I left at
like four am, three am. I don't know. This wasn't
wasn't feeling good, but we did. We did a hike,
but in the daylight still and they were like they
collected hairs off of power lines and trying to remember
who was at that one. Daniel Perez was there was

(01:57:56):
and Ken Gearhart, I.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
Believe, yeah, that was that was the night the night
at the night of when I hosted the town hall.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
Yes, it was uh huh, because we chatted that day, yep,
I do remember that. Yeah, So we camped out that night.
But that's the only times I've I've done it. Like
I said, I got sick, and I didn't go off
in the middle of the night like everybody else did.
Like Ted and I stayed back at the camp and
just listened and we were just there for some adventure.

(01:58:29):
But other everybody else had been there lots of times
it had been out to these areas and stuff, so
I didn't know any of these areas. That's the only
time I've ever camped out to try to find anything
like and I didn't really try.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
Have you like with going down the rabbit hole with
your experiences and looking into the topic more and more?
Have you ever utilized like the BFRO or the Bigfoot
Mapping Project to see if there's additional reports that have
been in your area or in the areas of where

(01:59:10):
you've haunted.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
No, not really, But I do have a friend I
won't say his name on here that I met because
one summer Ted and I were making those big wooden
cutouts of Bigfoot. We were selling them on marketplace, and
this man offered it to a trade with my husband.
He does that metal art, so he traded us the

(01:59:35):
big wooden Bigfoot for some a piece of the metal
Bigfoot art. Anyway, I talked to him the day he
delivered it the driveway and he said that he had
some experiences in Pigeon River and over. It's probably been
a couple of years, three years maybe. He and I
occasionally send messages back and forth about things that we've

(01:59:59):
heard or interesting stories. We see online and I just
recently said, you know, we really have to get together
he and his wife and Tad and I for a
bonfire and just sit and talk. Because that guy goes
out hunt or camping by himself out in the Pigeon River.
He'll go for night walks. He did tell me a story.

(02:00:25):
I was really desperate to try to get in touch
of it, because before Phil passed away, Phil Shaw, he
was trying to get me to start like a group
of doing interviews of people who had experiences. Yeah, and
he had kind of divided up the map and from
where I live. He wanted me to be in charge

(02:00:46):
of like this area to interview people. So I remember this.
This person told me he had heard a story about
where someone near our area, a prominent figure in our
local area, was knocked off a dirt bike by a bigfoot.

(02:01:07):
And he said he heard the story, heard the guys
talking wherever he was, but he didn't get the name
of who it was. And I was like, you're gonna
have to find out, because if I actually get the
courage to do this thing that Phil Shaw wants me
to do, he's going to be the first person I
have to talk to. But so I've never heard anything
else about that, but I haven't forgotten.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
Interesting I had. I had gotten an email from a
gentleman never never gave me permission to use. The email
declined wanting to come on the show, but in the email,
he sent me a video of himself recreating a drive

(02:01:52):
on a motocross bike through a path that he had
taken when he was a much younger man and was
knocked off of his bike by a sasquatch.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
Yeah, I don't know, Like, I don't know too many
people around our town that are into Bigfoot. I mean,
I have a friend who likes it. When I first started,
like twenty eleven, I had the bumper stickers, you know,

(02:02:32):
and I like the little family of bumper stickers of
Bigfoot and stuff on my vehicle, and back then I
was like the only one. And now no matter where
you look, every car has four Bigfoot stickers on it.
They're sold in every gas station, They're everywhere. So I
remember one of the first times I ever was in
the woods and I went to park and there was
another truck park kind of near and they had a

(02:02:55):
sasquatch sticker, and I'm like, so I assumed it back.
I remember thinking they have to be a bigfoot. I
wonder who it is, Like only a bigfooter would put
a big foot sticker on. But now those stickers are everywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
And so so much a part of pop culture. Now.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely, it's it's come a long way. So
I don't know that. I'll keep you posted if anything
else exciting happens.

Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
Please do now that you've now that you've got this
under your belt, it shouldn't be any big.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
Deal, right, it shouldn't be nerve wracking though I did it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
Though you did, you did great too. Nobody would I
don't think anybody would ever think that you were under duress.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Well I was when I got up this morning. It's
like I have to just do it so I can
say it's done and not fret about it anymore. YEA
A long time.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
That is a long time to hold onto something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:58):
It is.

Speaker 1 (02:03:59):
Yeah, Well, I hope the experience was good for you.
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:04:05):
I feel good, good, thank you, thank.

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
You so much more more than I expected. And some
very interesting stuff. I mean you you put check marks
in a lot of boxes. I think a lot of

(02:04:31):
people are going to recognize some some strong similarities to
other things I've heard mm hmm, Teter, thanks so much.
Thank you Eric, it's great seeing you, pleasure talking with you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
Thank you, good night, good night ups set them all U,

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