Bigfoot In The Olympics with Shane Corson uNcomfortable ep185

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Them.

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down in the show notes. I've got a great guest
lined up for you tonight. He started life way over
across the pond in Scotland, moved here in the US
as a teenager. Being an all around outdoorsman. His skills
as a tracker, survivalist, and many other things made him

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a natural for field research. All these things aided and
leading him to be one of the founding core members
of the Olympic Project out in the Pacific Northwest. So,
if you're ready, let's get into it. So, if you will,

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please give a warm Uncomfortable welcome to mister Shane Courson. Shane,
welcome to Uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hey, thank you, Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's a pleasure to have you, sir. Thank you for
making this possible. I heard a lot of good things
about you throughout quite a while. I mean, I mean
I've recognized your name for some time. As I said before,
before we started recording, I had several people recently who

(02:59):
were aware that I was going to be recording with you.
And the likes of Mark Marcel for the Ape Canyon episode.
I did Amy Boo, who's wonderful soul Todd niece. Everyone
said to make sure to say hi to you, and
so oh you come, you come, highly recommended.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I don't know about that, but I appreciate every every
single one of those individuals. They're great people and great
at what they do.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I gotta say your name. You know.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
A handful of documentaries, probably more than that, but one
in particular that really stood out to me and and
I don't know what it is about it. It's good, obviously,
that's why I like it, but the one stands out unwanted.

(03:54):
I don't know what it is about that, that documentary,
it's it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I can't tell you how many times I've watched it.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
So yeah, I've been in a few, and that was
definitely one of the better ones, and good good production,
with good supporting cast, having some of my fellow Olympic
Project members involved. Darcy Darcy, we're the producer. He's he
does a lot of great work both with the Sasquatch
phenomenon in the UFO stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, that's that is a that is a name that
gets a lot of recognition in those in those two
topics for sure. The Olympic Project. Man, I've got so
many things. I don't even know where to start, you know.
The the nests have have intrigued me for I think

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probably since the first time you guys made it aware.
So I guess maybe a diving off point where do
you want to gow how you got involved with the
I know you had an experience, and I don't know
if you want to lead with that or if you
want to go into some of the research and stuff

(05:12):
before you go into it, But I'm going to leave
it up to you, sir.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, I'll start out with that because you know, that
specific experience, that specific encounter solidified sasquatch for me that
there was, you know, something that they were real periods.
So I mean a group in Scotland very interested in sasquatch,
living on a little island off the west coast of
Scotland called Ila, and I was interested in luckness, monster

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and sasquatch, And then around ninety three had the chance
moved to the States, moved to southern California, and around
ninety seven is really when I started kind of getting
out and exploring, mostly California at that time, and mostly
well southern California all the way up to Yosemite. I
spent a lot of time Yosemite, backpacking, hiking, exploring. Eventually

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moved up to Oregon. You know, I met my wife
in California, moved up to Oregon where she's from, and
was very excited about that because I knew I was
in some really uh sasquatchy areas and all new land
for me. So fast forward moved up to Oregon in
two thousand and eight. Pass forward to twenty eleven. Now

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before that, I've been kind of doing some solo research.
I wasn't I didn't know anybody, I wasn't involved in
any organizations, and so I had a couple of buddies
that were abd fishermen like myself. You know, I have
a couple of passions in life, and fishing is one
of them. And a lot of my investigations up to
that point, I really I talked to a lot of

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interesting people. I hadn't really come across anything significance or
something I could say, oh that was Sasquatch, whether it
was in California, California or Oregon. At that point, but
I you know, so I didn't, you know, I was
still kind of you know, fifty to fifty. You know,
the past and Gimlin film always blew my mind, and

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I thought, that's got to be a real sasquatch. But
you know, in the back of my head at that point,
I still was like, I don't know, I can't say
definitively that's a sasquatch, but I was pretty confident it was.
But I was still kind of fifty to fifty on
the fence. And so I had been working down in
Oregon and I had some co workers and we decided
to go out to the mount Hood Wilderness and hiking

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to some kind of remote lakes backpack in and so
we organize ourselves up to my buddies, myself and we
drove out to this location and started hiking out to
one of these lakes, an area we've never been to
that you know. I was just strictly there to fish

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and hike. I wasn't really I wasn't gonna plan on
doing anything big, but related was kind of the back
of my head.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And so you say it was in the back of
your head.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, I wasn't at the forefront, you know, I mean,
really honest, I had nothing ever happened before. And like
I said, I talked to a lot of instant witnesses,
but you know, uh, nothing I that was so tangible
to me that I could say, yes, Sasquatch is real.
And so I mean, it was just one of those
things where I wasn't doing sasquatch related stuff full time.

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A lot of myself was fishing or hiking or hunting
or exploring, and so it wasn't though I was I
would call myself a at that time somewhat of a researcher. Uh,
it wasn't at the forefront of everything I did like
it is nowadays. And so as we're we head out
to this location, we find we hike into this lake,

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pre remote little lake, and we set up our camp
and leave the camp. We were gonna be there three
to four days, and so set up our base camp
and we're gonna go try and find another lake that
was at that well, it was a couple of miles away,
but we ended up getting lost up on this ridge
line above the lake we were camping in, and we
got off trail and we end up hiking like fifteen

(09:04):
miles just completely turn around and eventually found the lake
that we were looking for. But by that time we
were running out of daylight, so we decided to hit
the trail that we were supposed to be on a
head back to our base camp at this other lake.
So we do that, We hike back and make plans
the next day to go visit. You know, it's about

(09:25):
six lakes up in this area, and we were going
to hike to a completely different lake the next day,
so we made plans to do that. We got our
bearings and you know, on plan, I'm not getting lost
again because we were knuckleheads. And so we we get
back to our camp, we cook a meal, we talked
about a plant the next day, and we go to
bed and we had three separate tents. We were kind

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of in like a pyramid formation, and I had a
buddy close to the lake and he was kind of
next to a bunch of skunk cabbage, and another buddy
was to my right that was kind of up our
just below this little hill, and I'm kind of at
the point at the trail coming in. And so we
go to bed about eleven eleven thirty and around one

(10:11):
thirty or two o'clock in the morning, I hear what
sounds like, just don't know what it was, sound like
two rocks being smacked together. And this is this forest
and I've been there many times. It's like a lot
of the Pacific Northwest sports. There's a loads of animal
you got elk, bear, deer, all the usual critters, mountain lions,

(10:34):
all that stuff. It's just dead quiet at night. You
could hear a pin drop. And so I heard this
clanking sound, clacking sound coming from a distance, but getting
closer and closer and closer, and it was pretty methodical,
just you know, and I'm trying to rationalize on my head,
you know, what what is this? You know? Is it elk?
You know?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Antlers?

Speaker 1 (10:55):
This is you know, August of twenty eleven. I'm like,
I don't think so. And my buddy Mitch, who was
closest to the lake in his tent, he whispers over
and goes, hey, do you hear that you wake? I said, yeah, yeah,
we're trying to figure out what it is. Well, whatever
it was gets i don't know, thirty yards from our camp,
maybe a little closer, and the clanking stops and we

(11:18):
start hearing movements something's walking around our camp back and
forth like forth breaking stuff. You know. I assumed it
was stepping on branches or something of that nature. And
that lasted, you know, a couple of minutes. My other
buddy Ian, he's still asleep, he's snoring away, and then
that that clanking sound starts up again, same kind of methodical,

(11:43):
repetitious sound, and it gets further and further and further away,
and it's gone. So eventually fall back asleep, and then
next morning we kind of talk about it. My buddy Mitch,
she was or not shoot me. Ian. He he's not
an outdoors he's definitely afraid of bears. We had, you know,

(12:03):
when we had gotten lost that you know, earlier that day,
we came across bear sign you know, bear scat and
claw marks and stuff, and so I ended up giving
him a let him borrow a small handgun, which was
a mistake, but just to calm as nerves and you know,
take this in your tent. You'll be fine. No bear's

(12:23):
going to come get you. And so next morning we
wake up. We talked about briefly but whatever, I don't know,
it was weird. But we end up hiking out to
another lake that we had planned on visiting. We go
out fishing, catch some some you know, landlocked cut throughout
and some brook trout, catch our limit, head back to

(12:44):
camp after a long day at this lake, not getting lost,
but made our way back. Beautiful day and samem o.
We get back to camp, We cook up the fish,
we have our meal, We talked about our plans for
the following day and pick up a new lake that
we're gonna go visit. We got it all mapped out
and same thing. Went to bed about eleven or so,

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and once again, around one point thirty two o'clock in
the morning, I hear that sound again, and it's just
it's coming from a distance and it's getting closer. And
my buddy Mitch is awake and he whispers, you awake.
I said sure, yeah, I'm awake, and he said it's back.
I'm like, yeah, I hear it, and it's getting closer
and again stops certain distance away from our camp. And

(13:31):
then that movement. You can hear something moving around and
I'm on my back listening. I'm assuming he's on his
back and we're just listening to this thing move back
and forth, and he goes I'm hearing something to my left.
Well at that time I was hearing something to my
right kind of above the hill where my other buddy
in was camped in his tent, and something in Ballzer

(13:53):
two is something out here, Well, it's this thing's walking
around or things or walking around breaking You know, I
couldn't at the time, you know, I want to say
I could tell it was bipedal, but I really couldn't.
It was whatever it was sounded large and just was
moving around pretty pretty radically breaking things. And even at
that time I couldn't help it was snapping stuff off

(14:13):
at trees or just stepping on things. I assume it was.
It was stepping on things, lots of branches, and so
that's going on. And then all the movement stops and
from up on the hill above where my buddy in
was camped, just bam, bam, bam. Five of the most

(14:35):
powerful knocks, power knocks, whatever you want to call them
on this. You know up here we up there, there's
nothing but doug fir trees, basically big big old growth
dug fur trees, and something is smacking the snob out
of a tree and you could hear it echo across
the lake and on the other side likes a large
rock scree and it would just bounce back, I mean,

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and it would literally reverberate the ground. The u the
substrate up there is very fibrous and lots of roots
and stuff, so it's kind of hollow. So when this
thing was smacking the tree, you could just feel it
in your tent. Well, no kidding, this this got my
heart racing. My buddy Ian is now awake, going, you know,

(15:16):
kind of pretty paranoid.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
What's going on? What is that?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well that knocking stops, and then I hear something from
again above this general direction where this thing was beaten
the tree. At least that's what I assumed it was.
Here comes I hear something through the trees, through the
branches up above, and I could hear it coming from
a distance. And then thud right next to my buddy
Mitch's tent, who's kemp by the lake, and there's a

(15:40):
little bit of mud there and skunk cabbage. Thud, and
he whispers over he said something just throw a rock
at us, and said, I know that has to be
a rock. So now I'm I'm racing, my heart's pounding.
I don't know what's going on. I've never experienced anything
like this. I've been around loads of black bear, you know,

(16:00):
Yosemite to Oregon, you name. I've been around black bear, elk, deer,
all the usual suspects. And this is a remote location.
There's there's no people out here, and somebody at you know,
one through two in the morning doing that. I don't
know how they can hit a tree that hard to
make it echo, but people being a person wasn't even

(16:21):
in my head at that this. This was something abnormal
and monstrous. So that rock comes in and then I
hear the movement again, and my buddy Ian is freaking out,
and I'm thinking, oh, man, I gave him that I
was a nine millimeter. I gave him a little handgun.
And he's freaking out, and I said, calm down, calm down,
You'll be fine. You'll be fine. So I I ends

(16:43):
up my tent. I'm gonna go grab this gun from
him before he shoots somebody, because, like I said, it
was a big mistake. Gave me it to him, something
I regret, but I did it.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I guess is he didn't want to give it up,
did he.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I mean, unfortunately, I never made it over to his
tent because I ends up my tent. I'm looking looking
around and I'm just I'm, you know, praying to God,
don't let me see anything. And I'm looking around and
looking around and on the zipping my tent, and almost
directly in front of me, there's a really large uh
dug for old growth tree and I see movement. And
what I see is I see an arm or excuse me,

(17:17):
a hand, an arm and a shoulder and whatever this is.
This is on the front of this doug fir tree.
And every couple of second, you know, i'd see something
swaying out from behind the tree. The arms pretty still,
but something swaying back and forth behind this tree. And
I couldn't tell if it was looking at me or what,
but it was just it was huge. It was just huge,

(17:39):
and I never you know, I could see fingers, I
could see an arm, massive arm, massive shoulder and a
head pop out every you know, a few seconds, just
back and forth, back and forth. Well, I'm just staring
at the thing, and I you know, I'm completely petrified
because I know, I kind of know what I'm looking at,
but I don't know what I'm looking at because I've

(17:59):
never seen this squatch before, never had an experience like this.
And this thing drops its arm from the tree and
then it completely comes out from behind the tree. Now
it's got its back to me, and it walks up
this trail, the trail that we take to get to
the other lakes, and disappears. And I just sat there

(18:20):
for I don't know how long, waiting to see if
something else was going to happen. Is coming back. Everybody
Ian's quiet, Excuse me, I just spilt my coffee. Ian
Ian and Mitch are both very quiet, and so I
just I sit there and then I ZiT my tent
up and I just kind of sat there for a
while waiting for something to happen. I thought, this can't this,

(18:42):
Something's gonna happen. And I was packing and my buddy
Mitch was packing a weapon.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
You were expecting something to escalate, Oh.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Absolutely, because whatever this was came back two nights in
a row, you know, and so the second you know
this night, now I'm thinking it escalated. You know, before
I just heard what I assumed was rock clanking and
marching around. Well now it's doing the same thing, but
now it's hit a tree and throwing a rock, and
so I, you know, I thought we were gonna die. Honestly,
I thought we were gonna get smashed or it. And

(19:09):
I didn't know if there was more than one. So
pretty much late, you know, sat there, and then I
kind of laid back for a while listening and never
went back to sleep. I don't think any of us did.
And daylight hits, and we collectively just packed the pur
stuff and got the heck out of there, with almost
out saying, you know, saying a word. We were just

(19:31):
out of you know, we were just out of our minds,
pretty freaked out. We did not want to experience another
day or night like that, and so we packed up
our stuff and got out there, even though we were
supposed to be there another night or two. I mean,
that was the that was the plan, that was the goal,
that was the agenda. And but so we hike out
our car and we start driving back, and pretty quiet

(19:54):
the whole time. I never actually mentioned to them on
the drive back that I saw something I was trying
to figure out in my head, you know, how why
all these questions and so again, long story short, I
wanted to go back there months later, but at that time,

(20:14):
I'll be honest, I was like, I don't know if
that's a good idea, you know, and the two other
guys that were with me didn't really want to go back.
I started doing research, you know, online research on this
area because I'm like, I wasn't doing anything bigfoot really,
you know, I wasn't out there knocking or screaming on trees.
We got lost, you know, we chopped some firewood and
stuff like that, but there was nothing I could say

(20:35):
that I brought in that sasquatch, you know, but it
did solidify to me the sasquatch was real. I mean
that was one hundred percent. I knew they're real. Now
I saw one. I got to experience things people talk about,
you know, banging on trees and throwing rocks.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
So can I dive into what was the I mean
obviously it was in the night, but what were the
lighting conditions?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I mean, did you oh yeah, did you have moonlight?

Speaker 1 (21:02):
You? Yeah, we had moonlight. The key was so my
buddy I I should have mentioned this earlier. My buddy
Ian would build a enormous, obnoxious fire every night because
he thought it would keep the bears away. And so
that fire was kind of in between what I saw
in my tent. So there was a good amount of
firewood he put on there, and so it was still

(21:22):
glowing pretty good and crackling and stuff. And we had
some moonlight. I don't remember off the top of my head.
I believe it was a it was a wax and
gibbis or something like that. But I mean there was
enough moonlight coming through the tree line, but the fire
is what really lit up the area. And we'd yell
a yell at him every night. You know you're gonna
burn us, burn this place down in August. It's pretty

(21:44):
dry out here. I mean most of the you got
a lot of pine needles and branches on the ground,
and so we had to do some clearing to make
him feel better and get his big fire going.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
What do you what do you recall like detail? Why
of what you saw?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hairy, very large. I could make out hair, I want
to say it was. That's the one thing I can't
definitely say. It was either a dark brown or a black,
or maybe even a dark cinnamon colored. It was hard
to say, but I could.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
See hair, hair versus fur.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, it was definitely looked like hair, Yeah, more like
a like a kind of long, longer hair. I wouldn't
say more than you know, an inch and a half
from you know, but it could definitely see that, and
I would definitely call it hair. It didn't look like
you know it. I couldn't tell if there was a
sheen to it or anything. You know, it wasn't that
great a detailed siding, you know. I couldn't make out

(22:41):
really any facial feature or anything. Just a large The
only thing I could I clearly saw with the fingers,
which were just they were just massive. Just it looked
like a baseball glove on a tree. And then a
really thick arm and a large shoulder and a head.
I couldn't tell if it had a crest on or not.
Just looked like a large, large head swinging back and

(23:02):
forth behind the behind that dug fur.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Anything anything with the eyes so often you hear, you know,
glowing eyes, the yellow red, anything anything remarkable about No.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, I mean they weren't glowing or anything like that.
Just you know, big just big eyes, you know, I mean,
big dark eyes. They weren't. They weren't glowing or by
luminescing or anything like that. They just look like big,
big ass eyes.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know, So it's such a it's such a strange
thing because you know, I've talked to so many people,
and and and there's people that that I firmly believe
they're telling you their truth, you know, but they'll they'll
swear up and down that those eyes are almost emitting

(23:55):
its own low level of light. And then and then
you talk to others and there's there's no indication of
that at all.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, I can't really wrap my head around that one,
because I mean I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of witnesses and the vast majority of them, I mean,
the vast majority of them don't talk about anything, you know,
glowing eyes or anything of that nature, you know, reflective
eye shine. Sure, I've heard that quite a few times.

(24:25):
I don't know what to make of it, you know,
I've never experienced any any any anything like that. That's
the only sasquatch I've seen eye to eye or you know,
face to face other than I've seen I'm pretty dang sure.
I've seen sasquatch through a therm twice, a thermal heat
mature camera twice, now almost positive, But just that that's

(24:50):
the only sighting I've had and that was two thy eleven.
I think I've come close. But yeah, I don't know
what to make of that, you know, I I don't
know too many person I don't know too many people
that claim to have seen that, but I do know
a few, and so it's just one of those things
where maybe they do and maybe they don't, and how
they do it, I don't know. I mean, obviously got
large eyes and you know, the cones that could collect

(25:12):
a lot of light compared to ours our eyes, and
obviously they're very good at night time, they're very nocturnal.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well yeah, but it just doesn't make any sense if
if there was an internal illumination by right with with
the physia the physiology of an eye, it would seem
that that that would that would defeat their vision at

(25:41):
night exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I mean I'm not a big fan of it,
I'll be honest, because I just I don't think there's
enough evidence to showcase that yet, not this, but I
just it defies logic in a lot of ways. I mean,
for an animal that you know, probably and obviously it's
the hide and seek champion, right that would dead giveaway
for if it's a predator and also just hiding purposes.

(26:06):
So right, yeah, I don't I don't know what to
make of that, you know, I mean, the few that
have come across my way up i've showcased that there
was and there was light already present and or it
wasn't a sasquatch. But I know a few people that
claim they've seen that that are pretty credible.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So well, it sounds like you've probably interviewed way more
experiencers than than I have. And I guess while we're
on the topic of the eyes, how often do you
run into people relating some kind of uh paranormal let's

(26:51):
call it experience associated with it?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Again? Not not not often, not often. There have been
a few, but not not very often. I mean I
did podcasting for years twenty twelve through. I mean I
still occasionally do do it on my podcast Monster Arts Radio,
and and then all the conferences and some posiums, all

(27:16):
the people I've bumped into, everybody that reached out to me,
the you know, ninety nine point nine percent of them, Yeah,
it's pretty natural, It's what I expect. And then you
get that small percentage that claimed something paranormal or something
to it. The one issue I do have with that
is I've known people that go out to the woodsland

(27:39):
for sasquatch and something will happen. They just an actually
assume it's sasquatch related. And there's a lot of weird
things in the woods. Don't get me wrong, a lot
of weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
But you know, being in the woods in the dark
is scary.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
It can be, it can be, you know. I used
to fear the woods, and now I thrive in it,
you know, I don't. You know, I got a lot
going for me there, mainly experienced, but I'm never personally.
I've never come across anything I could say was paranormal.
The one time I thought I saw an orb, you know,
and it was midnight, I was with a small group

(28:12):
and we saw this blue thing glowing in the woods
and I thought, oh my gosh, I hear people talk
about these orbs. There was one there. But instead of
just talking about I hiked in a good one hundred
yards one hundred and fifty yards down this hill and
found out what it was. It was a firefox mushroom.
I didn't know we had them in the Olympics, and
it was glowing blue by a lembit and it's blue,
but it looked like an or It looked like an

(28:33):
orb floating in the in the in the in the sky.
So in a mushroom, that's But I've known people that
go out there and they see weird stuff, but they
already had big foot on the brain, so they just
associate it with sasquatch, whether it a dark shadow or
certain sounds or you know, you name it orbs. I mean,

(28:55):
why not associated orb with a bear or an elk?
Why has it got to be sasquatch. I don't understand
that thought process, but you know, if you're going in
the woods looking for something, and something happens, and you're
probably gonna tie loose ends together and make it work.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
So you have this experience, and I assume that it
is somewhat life changing. You know, I just talked with
Todd Nie about a month ago. Maybe we've had conversations since,

(29:32):
but you know, he talks about his sighting broad daylight
twenty to twenty five seconds max, seeing these three individuals
around or Rock Quarry and changes his life, changes the
trajectory of what he does for the next thirty plus years.

(29:56):
Kind of the same thing with you.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
One hundred percent. I know Tom really well and we
kind of took similar paths. You know. After that encounter,
I started doing research on that general area, and lo
and behold, I was in a quite a I guess,
a well known Sasquatch area. Most of the most of
the things I found were not on Bigfoot forums or

(30:21):
BFRO or anything. It was hiking forums, camping forums, hunting
forms where these people would mention that particular area and
things they had happened to them. You know, oh, there's
a crazy bear up of this mountain throwing rocks at us,
or we got based out by a sasquatch fish in
that lake, and I had no idea. I had no idea,
and so it started. You know, up until that point,

(30:44):
I called myself an investigator researcher, but I was like, man,
you weren't doing anything to that sasquatch found you guys,
you know, it was nothing on my end other than
maybe getting loss and going through its home territory or something.
Is the only thing I could work with. We you
know what, walked to his house and it's like, now
you guys can't be here, time to go. But so

(31:06):
I started getting I started, you know, I I used to.
I used to think back then, you know, I can
go back to this area. I know where Sasquatch is at.
I'll figure this out. I'll prove it. I'll prove it.
And I went back there and back there, and back
there and back there. I didn't have anything happen. Uh,
maybe maybe one knock in all the nights and weeks
and months I'd spent out there, but nothing after that.

(31:27):
So years later I did have a few things happened,
but uh, but the amount of time I spent there,
I got pretty frustrated because I was like what. So
I decided, you know, well, hey, you can't do this
by yourself. You need to contact people that know these areas.
And so I I got a hold of a Bfurro
guy and brought him out there, and again didn't really

(31:50):
have anything happen. He brought his parabolic dish and recorded
some possible knocks percussive sounds, and uh, and that was that.
And then I eventually met Cliff barrick Man. Shortly thereafter,
went to one of speaking engagements, got to know him,
became friends with him, and then which led me to
another speaking engagement. It was called hop squatch and a

(32:13):
guy by name Guy Edwards, used to run this down
in Portland, Oregon, this bigfoot hangout, you know, big Bit
and Bruce sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And I met Derek that was that was the name
of my event, Bigfoot and Bruce.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
There you go, it's a good name.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah. I met Derek Randalls, who was the original co
founder of the Olympic Project, and invited me up to
one of his expeditions up in the Olympics, and so
I told him about my experience, my encounter. He told
me about his he told me about the Olympic Project
and its research, and shortly thereafter we just really hit
it off. I mean he's my best friend now, but

(32:48):
back then, you know, we just really hit it off.
And you know, he's an avid hunter, guide explorer, he's
been involved with sasquats, you know, he had this encounter
in nineteen eighty five, and we really hit off, and
he asked me to join the Olympic Project, and so
that's I've been running with that full steam. But the
having sasquatch solidified for me. I don't know, if I

(33:11):
don't think I'd be where I am today without having
that sighting. If it was just something walking around, possibly
clacking rocks. I get excited a little bit, but I
couldn't I didn't see it. I can't say that was
a sasquatch. But after the sasquatch, yeah, it literally I
lived in an organ at the time, and because of
the Olympic Project and some other stuff, I moved to

(33:32):
Washington State because of sasquatch. I mean I literally shaped
my life around this phenomena. I you know, I tell
people it's about as close to a job without getting
paid as one. But the job I love, a hobby
I love, but I do it every single day. I'm
doing something sasquatch related to online research. I'm hitting the woods,
I'm you know, whatever have you. But it has shaped

(33:56):
my life. And you know, you have certain people in
this world that you know, have an encounter and they
shut up about it, they don't tell anybody. You have
some that are intrigued, don't do anything about it. You
you know, you have others that don't admit it. And
then you have certain people like myself that you know,
like Toddney said, we want to know more. We want
to know more. We know these things exist. Uh, you know,

(34:17):
how do they survive, thrive, Where do they go, how
do they avoid people? What do they eat? You know,
all those questions. Do they travel in family groups? Are
they solo? And so that that was my direction from
there on out is I wanted to know more. I
wanted to capture audio of them. I wanted to get
them on the camera. I wanted to get another visual.

(34:37):
I want to learn as much as I could. And so, yeah,
it really has shaped my life in a really good way.
I met a lot of great people meet so it's
been a positive, very positive. I'm not never really had
anything negative. You know, a few a few people in
the world right that we were talking about before the
show two bad eggs, But I mean the majority of
people that I call friends or work with that I

(35:00):
associate myself with that I talked to, they're just fantastic
and they're good at what they do.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
So going back to some of the things that you
just rattled off, as far as you know, wanting to
know more, getting getting vocalizations, you know, what are they,
where are they?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
What do they do?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
With your involvement with the Olympic project, have you been
able to answer any of those questions?

Speaker 1 (35:34):
You know, I don't like to say anything absolute, you know,
because I don't have a sasquatch in my back pocket.
But I think we've come to some pretty i won't
say conclusions, but some unique hypothesis and ideas.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
The one thing I loved about, you know, joining the
Olympic Project was up until I joined the Olympic Project,
I thought I was doing research, and I was. When
I joined the Land Project, I pretty much realized I
was doing a lot of stuff wrong. You know. I
wasn't collecting data. I wasn't you know, I jopped down
people's encounters and stores, but I wasn't looking at the
meat in there to see if there was any patterns
of predictability. And the ELMP Project is really just that

(36:07):
it's a data driven collection organization. And and so with
over the years of working with the LIMP Project and
other investigators, researchers enthusiasts outside the LAN project, compiling all
these data into like spreadsheets and stuff, we're starting to
seeing I think some patterns of somewhat predictability in some areas,

(36:30):
you know, like the necessary for example. We've been working
there diary since about the tail end of twenty fifteen,
and uh, you know and and then you know the
Olympics in general. I mean I can tell you roughly
with a lot of confidence, you know in May, where
you're you want to be at you know what what level?
Uh you know, amountain you want to be you know,
and it's it's got a lotty with ELK, but there's

(36:52):
certain patterns, you know, like the audio stuff. We've been
recording audio. We've had a couple of audio projects where
and we're not ambulance chasers. We have a couple of
core areas Oregon and Washington Olympics in southwestern Washington, and
that's we just stick to those areas. We get to
know every animal in that area, the noises they make,
and we place like sm BOR units, which is a

(37:15):
professional bioacoustical audio recorder. Biologists use them. They're about eight
to nine hundred bucks. We have four of them, and
we record literally in some of these areas every single
night from you know, say five in the evening till
seven in the morning, and we take all those recordings.
I mean, we're recording every single night, so we're not

(37:36):
just listening to it though. What we do is we
throw that audio onto like a spectrum, you know, like audacity,
and we'll throw it on there. We'll basically look at
stuff and we drop down. You know, we don't do
that so much anymore. For over a year and a half,
a buddy of mine, Chris Spencer, who's part of the
LIMP project with he was really one vetting this audio
and he would mark down every single animal. Okay, that's

(37:58):
a coyok at the time, hour, the month, that date,
the weather. Okay, that's a that's a bear. Oh okay,
there there's a there's two bobcats fighting over here. Oh
that's a you name it, every single animal and every
percussive or oddity that it wasn't like a tree popping
or something of that nature. And then we have the
unusual stuff or the suspect stuff that might be the

(38:19):
target species, the target subject which we put in we hear,
we're not saying as sasquatch, but we visually look at
that compare everything so we can tell you, okay, that's
a coyotes. We can visually compare that to other coyotes
using you know, like McCaulay library sound. You know, they
have spectrograms in their spect wrap. You can compare stuff
to and then We have our own library, so we

(38:39):
document every single animal.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
And it's like audio DNA exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Everything's got a fingerprint, right, everything's got a signature, a
visual signature. You and I do, animals do. And we've
over the years recorded I think, some amazing, amazing audio
that you're, you know, even your you're, your most skeptic
person would go, that sounds like a that sounds like chimpanzees,
or that sounds like a gorilla, or that sounds like

(39:05):
nothing I've ever heard before. That's a clear whoop. That's
that's something hit a tree and then whooping, or something
throwing a rock or you know, something pant hooting. We
got some amazing audio and so that's just one of
the facets beside the you know, the tracks we've cast
it over the years, whether it's hand impressions or foot impressions,
whether it's the hair we've discovered in some of these nests.

(39:29):
We are starting to get what I call, you know,
pattern possible patterns, possible predictability of you know, sasquatch. I
believe you know, I can't say that definitively and I
never will. Like I said, I don't have a sasquatch
in my back pocket. I have been doing this for
many years, so I have a lot of experience. Doesn't
make me right, doesn't make me wrong. But combined with

(39:50):
everything the Limit project's doing, I think we're getting a
lot of a lot of the puzzle pieces put into place,
and it's starting to paint and formulate a odd picture
for us that matches other organizations that we talk and
collaborate with in other individuals, and so it's a it's
a collective effort. But yeah, it's it's it's it's keeps

(40:12):
me going because you just never know what you're going
to discover, what's around the corner, or what piece someone
will bring to the table that go, oh that fits here,
Oh there you go.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Let me take you back to the audio real quick,
because funny enough, tomorrow evening I'm recording with Ron Moorehead
and Scott Nelson. Everybody knows the story of the Sierra Sounds.
It's it's not going to be a show about that
as much as it's going to be about the the

(40:45):
friendship that developed because of the the interaction and how
it's changed each one of their perspectives prior to knowing
anything about it. But but related to the Sierra Sounds.
Are are your audio captures anywhere in the in the

(41:08):
ballpark sound wise? H any similarities to to the things
that moreheads recording the show.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Ron. I used to live
up in Squim, Washington, not too far from me, and uh,
he used to come up toward our Olympic Project property
and one day we were all at the hanging out,
you know, we'd have a big weekend where Ready was
camping hang out and Ron was up there with his
his wife's up there, Carrie, and Uh. We were playing
one of our sounds and Ron thought it was his

(41:41):
recording from Eric and it was ours. Now we we have,
i would say, two different recordings from the same area.
They're not on not that as lengthy, and they sound
a little bit different, but they're similar to what Ron
moorehead recording. When like I said before, Ron listened to
part of one and he thought it was his. We
were playing with his Sierra sounds and it wasn't. It

(42:04):
was one of bars from one of our areas. So
we do have. We have a few, not you know,
I think that there's just not that many out there
like that. That's a very rare occurrence. But I've heard
a few other investigators researchers that have some similar stuff
to Ron's in completely different dates.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
There there's a there's a gentleman that I never I
got it. The gentleman that recorded it okayed this other
gentleman to share it with me, but he did not
give me permission to air it or use it in
any way other than to just listen to it. And

(42:45):
the research area was in the area of Yankee Springs
south of Grand Rapids, Michigan. And when I listened to that,
that was every bit as impressive as Moreheads what Morehead

(43:08):
has released. It was different, but a lot of similarities.
Some of it probably a little bit clear, meaning that
the subjects sounded like they were closer to the microphone.
And my guess is, you know, twenty or so years

(43:34):
better technology as far as the recording device, but remarkably similar.
And that's that's that's not even that's in the lower
half of the state of Michigan. I wish, I wish like,
because I still have the files, I wish to God

(43:55):
that that guy would release I'm not even looking for
myself to be able to release it, even though that
would be fantastic, but you know for him to uh
to release it because the similarities astounding.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, I know, I know Ron Moore. Hey, he's always
looking for other individuals to have, you know, similar recordings.
And it's a shame because if you could put that
in you know, someone like Scott Nelson's hands and see, yeah,
let him work his magic, that would be that would
be amazing.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
So throughout throughout your work with the Olympic Project, you
kind of answered one of the one of the points
that I was going to bring up as far as.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
And and before I say that, I'm not gonna take
I'm not going to take the road and say that
I think. I think every level of interest in this
topic has its value. Whether it's somebody like me who
talks to people who have had experiences and gets it

(45:00):
out for others to hear, the weekend warrior who straps
a go pro to his chest and walks around in
a metro park and finds what look like structures, tps,
weird weird UH glyphs or stacking of rocks and stuff

(45:25):
like that, all the way up to people who have
dedicated their their day to day to doing what you're
doing and in your group. I think, I think it
all has value. But by and large, you your Olympic

(45:47):
project is a very organized it's a very organized system.
You're you're recording data sets, You're you're logging your your
you're tracking things, you're you're you're pulling together patterns. Do

(46:10):
the do the people who are out there without the
with the without the expanse of knowledge and and equipment
that you guys have, are they hurting the situation? Are
they hurting because they're not recording things?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
They're not you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I mean, even though even though I think it all
has value, if you're out there and you're not doing
the if you're not if everybody's not on the same page,
then it seems kind of like maybe you know, you're
button heads a little bit.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't think it's it's hurting anything.
I mean, I don't they're not necessarily helping, but I
don't think it's really hurting. You know. Then there is
quite a few organizations, I think, and a lot of
individuals starting to look into more being of a citizen
scientist and collect that stuff. I see a growing trend.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Over the years.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
But everybody has their place. Some people look at this
more of a hobby. Some people take it really serious,
some people kind of mediocre. I don't think it's anybody's
really hurting too much. I mean, being great if everybody
was on the same page. But I know for that
will never happen. There's too many actions, too many opinions,
and you know, I like to just keep it, you

(47:35):
know what is Thomas Steinberger always say, you know, stick
to the facts and don't deviate from the facts. And
you know, but I'm very optimistic about the future. I mean,
like I said, we haven't the one project hasn't proven
anything yet, at least to the public we got. I
think we got a lot in our portfolio for sure.

(47:57):
So everybody's kind of on a equal, equal playing field.
I don't care what side of the spectrum become. Everybody's
coming on an equal playing field. But what I love, really,
and I know, you know, Amy Boo, is that I've
seen interest from academian academics that not naturally or public.
Some of them are you're Jeff Meldrums, and you know,
you're you know, and whatnot and and and there's like

(48:17):
you know, John Binnernagel before he passed away. Uh, you know,
they put their neck on the lines. But there's a
lot of academic individuals from all sciences that are very
interested in the sasquatch phenomenon. And they're interesting with the
Olympic Project's doing. They're instant with naa AC is doing.
NOAC out there in you know, Oklahoma and Texas and whatnot.

(48:41):
People are documenting. So because it's there's something tangible, they
can look at our data sets, they can you know,
they're not just listening to a story or encounter. There
is something physical and they can dissect it. And so
I mean, if more people got on that sort of page,
I think better as a whole, but it you know,

(49:03):
it would definitely help. But the fact that we have
all this, I mean a lot of academia, a lot
of academics that I call it the Bigfoot closet, right.
They're not ready to step out yet. They're kind of
in the background, but they're interested and they're giving input
and insights to laymen such as myself, And they're interested

(49:24):
and they find a lot of the stuff very promising.
And they don't just show up and leave. They're they're
around for a while because there's something to this to them,
there's gotten can't be just a bunch of people hallucinating
or having a mass hysteria or you know, people are
seeing things, people are finding things. You know, it's not
just the people seeing things, people are smelling things. I mean,

(49:46):
you name it. It's across the gamut with experiences. But there's
a lot of tangible stuff out there. So you know,
maybe that person that's just walking around with the GoPro,
maybe they'll get the best film since Patterson Gimlin, So
they they have a place.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Going back to something you said earlier that that you
collaborate with some other groups, I have to imagine that
given the given the state of this community, that.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
You've got to be pretty.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
You've got to be pretty trustworthy too, to be able
to be in a relationship where you have groups that
are that are sharing information. Are you finding that the
groups that you're working with are they as are they

(50:47):
as transparent as you or do you think that there's
some hold back will will work with you and and
but but there's some level of information that they're they're
holding because.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
You follow what them, oh, getting.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
It absolutely fat Usually when you run into that. It's
usually what's the number one thing people hide is their
location where they're going, right, we get a little bit
of that. There's a two specific groups we work with,
one in Oreon, one in Washington or I guess they're
kind of they work both areas very trustworthy. I think

(51:28):
the key is to walk into this without an ego.
If you come in with an ego and you're mister
know it all or missus know it all, there's problems
right off the bat. If you come in you may
have some wonderful evidence and maybe you found it solely,
but it doesn't necessarily make you the number one, you know,
top dog, best researcher, and it doesn't do any good

(51:50):
if you just sit on it. And so that's where
the collaboration comes into. And you know, I could say
the LIMB Project is one of the longest running groups
out there, and there's because we're all like my did
we get along. We have fun. We don't take ourselves
too seriously. But we also don't come in with egos.
You know, everybody's on an equal playing field. Uh, they'll

(52:10):
have their goals, their jobs. We have fun at it.
And that's the groups we like to work with, you know,
and very most of them are very transparent. Some of
them are working on amazing things. You know, So as
long as you don't come in with an ego, you
don't come in. Money could be an issue sometimes with
some you know, you have more equipment and stuff. But
if you can you can spread the wealth to be

(52:31):
trust people enough, and you know, because you're all in
it for the same goals, the same reasons, and you
can come to that level of playing field and meet
each other that way and work together and it's only
going to benefit not just the groups involved, but the
sasquat subjects in general. And so yeah, I mean there

(52:51):
are there are, there's a few groups that you know,
in individuals you know, they don't want their area is
divulge and I'm sure we don't need to know the
area just you know, you got but we kind of
We've been very fortunate to work with some amazing groups
that whether we have approached them or they have approached us.
Certain individuals are solo runners, are under the radar. You'll

(53:12):
never hear about love those guys and females because they're
really not interested in the linlight of the publicity or
the fame, like you're gonna be famous, but it's the
silliest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well some do.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I mean you could, you could, but then you know,
you can go down that road. Sure you can get
your fifteen minutes of fame being on a show or
go talk at a conference, but that's fleeting. It eventually
fades away and people lose interest and then you have
nothing to show about. You're just talking about the same
thing over and over and over again, right, you know,
on that circuit. And yeah, I again void stuff like that,

(53:48):
like the plague. I do speak in engagements, but I
enjoy talking sasquatch. I never asked to speak anywhere. But yeah,
so I hope that kind of answers your question.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, pretty much. So throughout the collaborations and throughout all
of your interviews with with people, have you ever come
across any indication that would suggest that they possibly use fire?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
No, I have not. I've been asked that question before.
I think again, if if they're capable of using fire,
they're going to give themselves up, They're going to be found.
I just don't see the purpose. I think there there.
They have a niche in in in the environment, they
have a niche in this ecosystem, there's a spot for them,

(54:46):
and they are completely natural to their environment that I'm
I don't I personally don't think they get built fire.
I don't see the need for one. You know, I
often say, if it walks like a duck, talks like duck,
acts like a duck, it's a duck. And everything that
all the people have been interviewed over the years, everything
I've experienced, everything that those around me, whether it's a

(55:07):
limp project have experience, it's purely just no evidence of
fire building or much stone or tool use. Now one
could argue, you know a rock, you know, clanking it
together or throwing it, that's the tool, right, using a
limb to beat something. I mean, all I guess you
could classize toll use. But I don't think they're out

(55:28):
there sharpening flint. Never seen any evidence of that. And
then I think, like I said, they're building fire, you're
gonna find a lot of these. I think you'd find
a lot more. Hey, maybe that's why you know you're
getting all these wildfires now, you know. I mean, it's crazy,
but I just I think smoke in the air, it's
just a dead giveaway.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
But I'm pretty pretty sure they've I'm pretty sure they're
interested in in fires in general, though, especially ones that
are out. You know, We've had occasion up in an
area near where another researcher friend of ours was out
camping with a group, and she's got this all recorded.
It's really good audio. And this was after a sighting

(56:11):
in that area too. And then one of the best
tracks I found ever was in this area. But something
was going through the and this is like four in
the morning, four thirty more, just starting to get a
little bit of daylight. Something's going through this fire pit
that's up on this hill above her, and it's picking
up the charcoal's up and tossing it at her tent.
And so they they and I'm pretty sure it was

(56:34):
a sasquatch, but I mean throwing stuff to pine cones
and little bits of wood and some of the rock
that had come apart. So definitely messed with fires. I
don't know if they messed with lit fires, but definitely
fire fire rings.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
What's your what's your take on them? What do you
think they are?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Hardest question that one could be at, right, Yeah, it's
the hardest, quite you know, I really try not to
put sasquatch in a box per se. You know, you know,
nobody puts sasquatch in a box. But I do lean
towards a sort of primate. Where that falls, I don't know,
but there's just too much evidence that I think I've

(57:18):
seen and it points in that direction that it's a
sort of primate. Now I don't people get offended by that,
but we're all primates. Where in that does it fit?
I don't know, but I mean it it has all
the features apparently in a lot of ways. In some ways,
it acts, you know, based on witness reports, based on

(57:38):
some of the stuff we've collecked over year. Some you know,
it's got this almost human component to it. But then
it's also this very primate, I mean, non human primate
component to it, whether it's recordings and vocals, whether it's
possibly making nests. Even the hair that's been visually looked
at is primate hair. I mean, it's some sort of primate.
But where what I don't know, you know, And and uh,

(58:02):
maybe I'm wrong, but that's where I lean because that's
just where things pointing for me and the Elant project,
is that some sort of primate. And that's kind of
where I leave it. You know, I don't know if
it's a giganto it's go black see or I often
think that it could be something similar, but it's just
something obviously so unique. But I don't think it's been

(58:22):
found in the fossil record yet, and I don't think
that's even amazing if people get blow we haven't phone fossils, Well,
why is that we're finding new species every single day
that are not never been found before that here we
got to fit this in over here, or that changes this,
so it doesn't even blow my mind. So yeah, that's
just that's just where you know, the evidence and the

(58:46):
experiences and are pointing to you right now.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
You know, seeing seeing the nests undeniably gorilla alike, undeniably right,
I mean, just you know, but like my my psyche
likens them to being more like us than just a

(59:19):
wild animal. And you know, maybe that's maybe that's the
influence of pop culture on me. I pay attention to
a lot of the Native American First nations, a record
of them. It seems like they are it seems to

(59:42):
me like they're more more towards our end of the
primate than towards the Mountain gorilla. The size differential is
puzzling to me.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
You know, if they were a little more, relatively you know,
a little bigger, bigger than regular gorillas and maybe just
a little bit taller than us, that that would make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
But you know, the this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
And again maybe it's pop culture affects a lot of people,
you know, but the seven to eight foot tall you know, yeah, reports.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
It's like, goddamn, that's big. That's that's a that's a
lot of that's a lot of body man. Yeah, it
really truly is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You know, as far as the nests are concerned, do
you find any evidence since then of additional nests? I
would assume that having having uh found that area and
and spend as much time as you guys did there

(01:00:55):
investigating and deconstructing the nests and and all the work
that went into that, I would assume that they would
have moved on to somewhere else. Have you guys, Have
you guys come across any other areas that you're finding
the same type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Now, just this area as far as nests are concerned. Now,
these nests were found in May of twenty fifteen and
They were found originally by a timber cruiser, timber surveyor.
He was out marketing a line, and so we didn't
find the original We were led there after the fact,
and when I got to view them, that's why I
moved up to Washington. I was blown away, absolutely blown
away this area. So we do believe these nests when

(01:01:38):
they're made, they're being made in the months of like
late February to mid March, not every year. We believe
they're made every four to five years. We have found
some what we believe are some older nests. I mean
these nests now there's nothing to look at. They're all
they're gone. I mean nature took over tree Fall. There
was so much work done on the original nests, sterea,

(01:02:00):
the nests themselves, with whatever made them, that it defied
logic to me into many people that they were made for,
you know, like a gorilla, for like a one night thing,
you know, girls, and they move on, they don't come back.
Wherever made these nests, multiple nests, and today we have
we have found twenty four and I'll tell you about
the twenty fourth one. But these nests were made, I believe,

(01:02:25):
for a short period of time it could have been
a couple of days, could have been a week, and
probably for a specific purpose. And so we spent months
searching this and grinning this whole area, and we found
at that time twenty three including including in that number
two what we call practice nests that were built into

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the huckleberry. They were a mirror image of what was
on the ground, but off the ground, almost like it
would a gorilla would teach its young or you know,
practice ness. So that was twenty three in twenty twenty
in the general vicinity of this area, a different a
different ravine, a different plateau, a different ridge line, but
in the same general area. February, late February, I think

(01:03:08):
it was the twenty ninth of February twenty twenty. My
buddy Todd Hall and I walked in on something making
one of these nests. We've been searching for years for
nests in other areas, adjacent areas, but we were really
we were of the opinion of everything made every four
to five years, and end of February March and so
we actually walked in on something making one of these nests.

(01:03:30):
We didn't get eyes on it. It managed to go
down this ravine and circle up behind us, and then
eventually I'm assuming it took off. We never never got
eyes on it. But when we went into where we
originally heard this thing, the devastation, it was a mirror
image of what was discovered back in twenty fifteen. All
the huckleberry was broken off from nine feet off the
ground to a foot off the ground, huge pile of

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huckleberry starting to be formulated into a large ground nest.
Fourteen inch impressions handprints in here. And what was really
cool when the god I'll keep this kind of short,
but h when we discovered this new nest, my buddy
Todd and Hale and I and Derek We Derek Randall's
Something Went project who we brought out there. Eventually we

(01:04:13):
had made the conscious decision not to touch anything. We
were going to bring in experts, you know, outside of bigfoot.
We did called uh forensic. Yeah, we did call doctor Meldrum.
Jeff is a good friend of ours and he's been
to the nest diary before and we were gonna fly
him out like immediately, and and we were gonna get

(01:04:34):
a hold of biologists and people come in there and
collect document. Well, the first case of COVID happened in February,
and it was in Washington, and so everything got shut down.
People didn't want to fly. It was pretty pandemonium, and
we had some weather moving in so we couldn't get
anybody to come out. So we decided to collect as
much as we could, and I brought Cliff Barrickman out,

(01:04:54):
good friend of ours, and he's got a lot of
hydrocal to help cast this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
As Cliff and I are collecting the we were collecting
all the debris, all the huckleberry that was in this
pile being made into a nest. And as we were
collecting and we're looking up, there's two fourteen inch size
impressions underneath the huckleberry. And it just blew my mind
because you never would have seen these impressions unless you
moved the huckleberry the pile. And it was a right
foot and the right foot like it's stepped, and then

(01:05:20):
you look up above where the nest was and there's breaks.
So it was collecting and bringing down and setting this
nest up. So that still blows my mind. And so
that was twenty twenty. We're now in twenty twenty five,
so we're getting into the tail end of February and
March when we think this might be a year possibly

(01:05:41):
not in necessarily the same the same fingers or the
same ridge line that, but there's this area's vast. We
could maybe find more nests this year, we're hoping. So
we're going to do spend weeks and weeks and weeks
exploring this area and see we come across more nests.
And if we do, that's the approach we're gonna take.

(01:06:02):
We're just gonna look, We're not gonna touch. We're gonna
bring in the experts because, uh, you know, I'm not
a scientist. I'm very good at collecting stuff, and I
know how to do the scientific method and document stuff.
We've done this before, but I want to bring in
a fresh set of eyes. I want I want some
of these other and we have. We brought We brought
anthropology or primatologists out here. We brought zoo keepers out

(01:06:25):
here that work directly with bonobos and gorillas and chimpanzees,
and they were blown away by these nests. They're like,
these nests have character to them. I could this reminds
me of so and so at my zoo. That would
build this and bare biologists that's not bair behavior behavior
and so they're all floored, but they had no answers.
So we need to find Ideally we'd find something really fresh. Ideally,

(01:06:46):
ideally we'd actually get something on film making one of
these things. We were close. Todd Haill and I were
so close because we heard the breaks. Something was breaking
stuff very large, and we got close. But it managed,
I think, and I'm just assuming that it did not
think we were going to walk directly towards it. We
were gonna It's a big area. We could have taken

(01:07:07):
multiple routes, and we went to this one airing and
literally struck gold. And when it didn't spook us, it
decided to vacate the are and so we had our
GOP running and all that. I mean, we were very close.
I thought for sure I was going to see the
thing peeking out behind all this huckle berry. But it's
very very thick and nasty area. It doesn't take much
to disappear, you know. You can. You can walk in

(01:07:29):
and ride up on a bear easily in some of
these areas and not even know it's there. But yeah,
so in the future, that's that's our goal. Find newer
nests or you know, even older ones and everything's got
DNA and evidence in there. So that's that's kind of
our angle right now in this area. And then documenting,
you know, with the audio. I mean, audio is what
we have out there right now, and we try to

(01:07:50):
kind of leave the area alone for spells of like
large spells of time, because the audio can do the
work for us. It's the least in most non intrusive
thing you can do all you out there, and we
go in there and collect and we'll be collecting that
shortly to vets and see, okay, is there anything going
on out here? We should we should have something possibly,

(01:08:11):
So that's gonna be a next week or so. We're
gonna go in there and collect that and then make
plans to go in there and spend a lot of
time off trail hiking and exploring and who knows. I'm
excited about this year.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
So with the amount of the amount of data, with
the evidence that that you've collected through the Olympic Project castings,
do the castings seem to represent well what what most

(01:08:49):
find to be the most credible as far as tracks,
you know, you know, Meldrum has a very specific criteria
for what he can considers to be compelling and and
uh and real. You know, some say that the the

(01:09:12):
narrowing of the heel is a is an indication that
it's you know, probably more more human. The wider the
the wider, the breadth of the middle of the foot,
lack of an arch you know, a more flat footed
uh stomp seems to be to be you know, more

(01:09:35):
more widely accepted as being real. You know, there's there's
some that have three toes, you know, in in certain
parts of the country that you know, I mean, are
yours what you guys are finding there? Are you consistently
finding things that that all look like you know, one

(01:09:57):
of these things is not like the other, you know,
like the old kids Kids song do that? Are they
all making sense? Do they line up with what's considered
to be real?

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Yeah, I would say one hundred percent. You know. In fact,
doctor Meldrum was out minissary and we we actually found
a track together and he was pretty impressed. But yeah,
absolutely we are finding We don't find tracks all the time.
This it's very hard to I think in general, find
tracks or impressions. It's very hard.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
And we absolutely well, conditions have to be right, yeah, right,
I mean where the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
And where these things are traversing through some of this
really thick huckleber, you would you literally have to stumble
across it and have the right scenario where you know,
you can get that impression. But you know, over the years, yeah,
consistently we've been finding these fourteen inch tracks and smaller
ones and in the sixteen inch track as well. And

(01:10:51):
what's fascinating about that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Is, oh about, well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Some distance way but not extremely far away, there's been
two log houlers, guys that park at the gate drive in,
grab the logs on their you know, getting loaded up
on their trucks, and they get out and drop them
off at the you know, these plants and stuff. So
two to ran individuals and this was back in twenty seventeen,

(01:11:18):
didn't know each other, but within the span of a
month of either one of them being at the skate
they both described seeing two larger sasquats and two smaller ones,
almost like a family unit. And in this area where
they saw these individuals, it's not too far away from
this nest area. And you know, if you look at

(01:11:38):
with the tracks like for example, the fourteen inch tracks
are very interesting to me because they're being found in
these nesting areas. And if you look at Patty, she
was a size fourteen, so that points to maybe a
female right well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
And a full grown adult female.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Yeah, full grown adult female. And we're finding these fourteen
inch tracks. And I compared to Patty for a lot
of reasons, because a lot of people, you know, get
back to nest real quick. There was a you know,
I didn't know anything about nests. I didn't know anything
that sasquatch was even capable or there was even a thing.
And then, you know, subsequently, having observed these nests, I
started doing research on nests big butt. You know, just

(01:12:17):
you know, anybody else see or find anything like this?
And yeah, sure enough, blow and behold. There's been other
nests around throughout the country Oregon, California, Washington, Alaska, Canada, Montana, Idaho,
and they're almost always found by timber company employees because
they're out, they got a job to do in these nasty,
remote areas. These aren't areas typically you'd go to hunt,

(01:12:40):
you go to hike in or explore. They're thick, they're nasty,
and in a lot of cases, dangerous and in nineteen
sixty seven a Timber employee named Lyttle Laberty. Daniel Prez
of Big Boot Times interviewed this guy on his YouTube channel,
and little Laberty found a nest in nineteen sixty seven
above Scorpion Creek. Well, Scorpion Creek feeds into Bluff Creek,

(01:13:04):
and so when I and he described it just like
the ones we were led to discover, check out and
I thought it was fascinating because we're finding fourteen inch
tracks in this area. We have a nests, nests and
then Patty size fourteen and apparently there was a nest
literally a stone throw away from where they filmed her
in that area in nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Interesting, and they're.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Being found by mainly. There have been a few found
by average people, not timber company employees, surveyors or not,
but the vast majority of them are found. And they're
also being found in the same sort of scenarios, western
facing slopes above usually a creek or a seasonal salmon
bearing creek or a river. And at the tips of

(01:13:48):
these fingers, you know, you got these ridgelines and you
got these fingers coming off. Well, the nests are being
found at the very end of these fingers, and that
seems to be across the board pretty typical. And so
there's a lot of again patterns, possible predictability, and so
you know that all falls in line with you know,
this evidence collection and you know the tracks, and you know,

(01:14:09):
even to date, we found four hand impressions, two in
or excuse me, two and a half in twenty twenty
in the nest, the new Nest area we found, and
then my buddy Chris Spencer and I found one a
couple of months ago in a different area. And the
every hand other than the left and right that we

(01:14:29):
originally discovered that are from the same individual. All the
other ones are different sizes and pretty profound. I mean,
the cast came out really great, and so we are
seeing consistency and we're also seeing that it's it falls
in line with what other individuals are finding, that it
falls in line with what science would call interesting, you know,

(01:14:53):
whether it's you know, your doctor Melgroom's or whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
So, yeah, what kind of shape are you getting out
of the hands? Is it more human? Is it more
is it more ape?

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Like I would say in between, So what we notice is,
you know, your it's it's got a lower on these
lower set thumb so it's not not you know if
you imagine like a you know, baseball glove much bigger,
but the thumb seems to be just a little bit
lower set and almost primate like but not quite. But
the fingers are very similar to humans. Yeah, that's based

(01:15:27):
on what we're casting. So uh, and then comparing those
two other hand impressions found throughout the country. I mean
there it's very similar, very similar to other people are finding.
I think that's fascinating that there is similarities, which there
should be.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yeah, what kind of size are you getting on the hands?

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
You know, so when you you cast this stuff. So
we we have a two method process now that we
just started doing. I should say, where before we cast
an impression, we'll go and use like a three D
app on our phones and make a three D image
of scan of scan it exactly using like scan scan
a verse or one of those apps. So we'll do that.

(01:16:10):
But when you the hands look larger than they are
because of the casting material, right, but they're anywhere from
about you know, sixteen inches, I mean they're there's some
they're big, they're bigger than a baseball glove. Yeah, I
should have. I don't think I have one in here.
I usually carry a set back in here, but uh,
get me back on sometime. I'll show them. They're pretty

(01:16:30):
okay interesting, Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
That'd be interesting. Yeah, maybe a few. If you have
any photographs, you could uh forward them to me and
I could uh put them in with the post for
this show.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
When it aired, and I can do absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Going back to the nests again, you talked about a
possible five year pattern between the making of them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, and I said, that's just because we don't think
once they make these nests any vacate that area. We
do think they traverse this area, but they're not hunkering
down making nests year round. It's a vast area, but
they are traversing this area. In our opinion, based Bainley
on the audio in the track, fines and some of
the other things we look for. Huckleberry breaks, thatter defy,

(01:17:19):
you know, known animal behavior, bear elk dere But I'm sorry,
can you repeat your question.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I don't think I actually got to the questions as
far as there there being what seems to be maybe
like a five year pattern or in that neighborhood of
these things, and then Huckleberry within the First Nations, use

(01:17:51):
is known to be medicinal and used during.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Childbirth. So so.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Is there a possibility that these nest sites are it
Is it possible that they they breed every five years?

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Yeah, and maybe these are nurseries, that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Is, if Sasquatch is making these nests like we believe
they are. If and if they're you know, I look,
I look at orangutangs as a good model of a
non human primate, right, but a great eight They give
birth every you know, six to eight years, every four
to eight years, depending who you ask, but every roughly

(01:18:41):
every six to eight years. But I think what we
got going on with Sasquatches, I don't think they're giving
birth every year like humans. I don't think they need to.
I think that's why they're small number. So if they're
giving birth every shoot, maybe four years, five years, whatever,
then and and they're making these nests periodically, maybe it

(01:19:01):
is specifically for childbirth. An area where they can honker down.
They have a seasonal salmon creek like in this area
where they can this time of year, that time of
year right now, lots of salmon I mean just loads
of salmon. You walk across them, and then you do
still have remnants. Even though we do have a little
bit of snow and frost, there are still remnants of huckleberry,
salalberry Oregon great tons of there's still berries of wild strawberry.

(01:19:27):
And then he got all the ungulates, and he got
all the everything else, you know, mushrooms and stuff. See
a lot of food sources in this area, and I
think that it makes sense that we're not finding these
nests all the time, and neither or anybody else. They're
being found every once in a while. Now if you
look at Paison, the Paison Giveling film, I mean that

(01:19:47):
was a female sasquatch, which did she undoubtedly did she
give birth or was about to give birth, you know,
if that nest was anything to do with her in
nineteen sixty seven. But there was an s fountain there
and that was found obviously I don't know when the
nest was made, but obviously she was filmed in October
I within medicinal stuff, you know, So this is they're

(01:20:09):
being These nets were made out of evergreen huckleberry. And
one of the things I noticed in the nesting area
itself was some of the nests had large piles of
huckleberry leaves next to them, and I thought that was amazing.
There's no teeth marks, no claw marks. They were picked
off of these with.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Fingers, fingers absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
And piled up. So at the time, I thought, well,
maybe they're eating them, maybe they're using for betting material.
And the question arose from a fellow researcher. He goes
by the name squatsrom Metrics. He's a professional data analysis
by trade, really smart guy, and he goes, are there
any medicinal purposes with the huckleberry? And I said, you

(01:20:49):
know what, I should have looked into that a long
time ago. So we looked into it and lo and behold,
doctors used to give women after childbirth a concoction of
sugar and huckleberry leaf to regain their strength after childbirth.
And so that's really what got the my head, you know,
the wheel spin in here that maybe those were being

(01:21:13):
you know, consumed because of maybe a sasquatch gave birth
and it was regaining its strength. I mean, people are
smart animals, are they know what the you know, bears
know what to eat when their stomachs upset. Dogs cats
do people do. I'm sure sasquatch is an expert at it,
knowing their environment what to eat. So maybe, just maybe
this is a childbirthing or a nursery scenario, and the

(01:21:36):
huckleberry plays a huge role in these specific nests, you know,
nests that are found, you know, like Robert Alley's book
The Raincoat Sasquatch, there's a great picture of a nest
in there that's very similar but made a completely different material.
Everything else is the same, the same m kind of
general location. But in this area, I think that the
hucklevery obviously plays a huge role, not just because it's

(01:21:58):
the main plant in this area. You know, we have
salal and rooted danrin and everything else, but the huckleberry.
Why else would you pluck it? And I mean to me,
you're going to be consuming it. I didn't see evidence
of it being spread out in the middle of these nests.
There were just nice uniform huckleberry soft bows in the middle.
These are on the outside, and something took time to

(01:22:18):
make piles of huckleberry leaves. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Interesting scat hair DNA have you have you guys collected
and have you tested? And I guess. I guess the
The addition to that question is, you know, the the

(01:22:48):
the DNA project that Melba Ketchum did years back, A
lot of people say it was it was it was
poorly done. That's why the results. A lot of people
say that that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
She was stonewalled.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
I don't know, if you're familiar with Robert Kriiter out
of New Mexico, he has had he has had his
hand in a DNA collection. In fact, if I remember right,
there was a study that was going to be done

(01:23:31):
and they were waiting on Chriter's group to provide a
very a very recent sample, which they managed to get
and at the point that they re remitted that into
into the study, they were told that his his sample

(01:23:57):
was never tested and that it was sent off to
other group, so it was not included in the study
that it was collected for. There just always seems to
be some conspiracy behind the collection of DNA on evidence,
and I was wondering, have you have you guys run

(01:24:18):
into that or has this seemed to be kind of
part of the pop culture.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Of well, you know, there's quite a few things I
want to talk about here, so let me start with
this before I forget so Darby orcut is actually running
a DNA study. He's running out of North Carolina and
we're sending him sample. He's using a lot of samples.
So and he's got actual academic individuals in a lab.

(01:24:45):
They're gonna be betting hair and other samples. So I'm
really looking forward to that, and I know Cliff Brickman
has a huge hand in that as well. I'm really
looking forward to the future because they're they're gonn They're
getting a lot of good soundmples, not just from us.
So that's future. In the past, we have we collected

(01:25:08):
you know, soil samples with doctor Meldrum and we documented
and videoed and went through all the processes of collecting
these samples for environmental DNA you know e DNA study.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
It's a very sore subject for me because put it
this way, I I will never send samples to anybody
that's involved with sasquatch. I need to send my samples
or our samples to non non individuals are not into sasquatch.
And there's multiple labs, not just in the United States.
You can look at ones in the UK, Canada, and

(01:25:40):
there's some really good ones in Australia that do great
e DNA work that so as far as the I
had an individual we sent samples to that, I'm not
happy with whatsoever because we never got any paperwork back.
They were just like, oh yeah, usual, the usual suspects,
and they named on specific animal that's not even in

(01:26:01):
this area. So I knew they never looked at these samples.
There's one animal they named there's not even in this area.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Whatsoever. They charged you though, didn't they.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
They never got paid they were supposed to. And that's
a whole other conversation. But we never got anything physical back,
which is after six months calling calling, pick up, the
guy picks up the pone and goes, oh yeah, usual
suspects and he said, oh yeah, we found you know human,
you know human. I said, well, okay, what percentage? Oh
well it was corroded one hundred percent. Just it was

(01:26:30):
just junk. And I spent all the time, and many
of us spent a lot of time collecting and stuff
at that time. I don't know if we sent them
any hair samples, but twenty seventeen, uh, you know, they
wanted the hair with a follicle on it. Now, I
guess you don't even need follicle. They can do DNA
work on hair now without a follicle, which is amazing.
Visually looking at the hair, the hair speaks for itself.

(01:26:52):
It doesn't match anything in this area. It lacks a medulla,
you know, for your audience. You know, if you think
of a pencil, that madula would be like the lef.
It lacks that lead, it lacks that duel and under
our microscope it's got red pigmentation to it. A lot
of sightings talk about cinnmon colored sasquatch. There's a lot
of them up here in the Northwest of cinnamon colored
or reddish colored sunsquatch. So it's it's primate hair visually

(01:27:16):
looking at it, and so we have that going for us.
But in the future, samples we send off will be
going to like the University of in North Carolina or
that Darby's running it's accredited. And then I never give
all my samples. I want other options, I want second opinions.
But it costs money, right, everything costs money, so real quick.

(01:27:38):
On the Melbow thing, you know, the only project worked
heavily with Melbow on and it's another source subject to
be honest, that could be a whole other show. You know,
I'm not going to state my opinion. It doesn't matter anymore,
and it didn't go anywhere. And people, people will die
on both sides of that hill. I mean literally, Oh
they have so. But we had a lot of a

(01:27:58):
lot of hand in that. And I'll right up front
and I'll be honest, there was a lot of botched
stuff that happened from a lot of different people. I'm
not gonna pin on one, but a lot of it
got watched and i know way too much about it,
stuff that I'm in public that would blow people's minds.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
So it's just is that stuff? Is that stuff you
could talk about at a later date.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Possibly possibly some of it it's gonna be I know,
Eli with Small Town Monsters is working on a production
and there's gonna be some stuff shared there from some
of the key players that's gonna be coming out down
the road. Yeah, it's it's gonna be pretty fascinating. But yeah, possibly,
and then some of it I just can't talk about. Unfortunately.

(01:28:42):
It's uh and honestly, it's stuff that I know. I
just know a couple of key players that have relayed
some stuff onto me. That I wasn't aware of. And
so once I found that out, I'd really shape my
opinion a certain direction, so to speak. And so but
like that's I don't mean that's in the past. I

(01:29:04):
mean that's done nothing. You know, people can say, oh
she proved it, she didn't prove what. It doesn't matter.
I mean right now we're still at square one. But
the future is looking good with other individuals coming forth
and starting things where we can send samples to free.
You know, there's a lot of stuff is very expensive,
very expensive when you're doing environmental DNA work. It has

(01:29:27):
come down in price. You can find certain places that'll
look at stuff. But the futures, you know, things are
dropping in price. And except oh yeah, yeah, I'll give
me start. No kidding, sorry, once again, some e DNA

(01:29:47):
done than finding eggs.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
So isn't it terrible? Good Lord, it's brutal, brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
By the time i'd get some chickens, I used to
have them. But I don't have that kind of time, Shane.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
I don't want to take your whole night. We could
continue to talk about this stuff for another two hours,
I'm afraid, but I do I do want you to
let people know about your new YouTube series that you
have and everything else that you have going on, where
people can get a hold of you, how they can
find out more about the Olympic project, all of it

(01:30:26):
so laid on them.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Yeah, I appreciate it, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Yeah. So I for about ten twelve years, a lot
of people reached out to me, Hey, you're going to
start you should start a YouTube channel, keep us up
to date. And I just never had the time, nor
I felt compelled to do it. I'm not a big,
honestly a big TV person. I don't really care for
having my mug on TV and stuff. But you know,
getting older and there's not a whole lot of ways

(01:30:53):
to share not just what I'm doing, but with the
Elympit projects doing, and so I decided to create a
channel called Sasquat in the Mist and I kind of
named that after you know, Gorillas in the myst just
kind of that mystery discovery and so Sasquatch and the Mist,
I'm gonna be pumping out some videos here shortly. It's
only got the intro video up right now, but it's

(01:31:15):
just a way for people to keep up with the
Sasquatch research that I'm doing the O Limit Project's doing
some of our thoughts, some of our ideas, showcasing some
of the areas we traverse, showcasing a lot of the
people that I work with. That'll be a big part
of this, and just taking people along for an adventure,

(01:31:37):
taking people on along for how we conduct our research,
and kind of kind of just giving people a way
to kind of see what we're doing. You know, We've
done stuff with you know, like Small Town Monsters and
other media outlets, but you know, I don't have a
lot of time for that, and quite honestly, I don't
want to be that person that faces on the TV

(01:31:58):
all the time. It takes up a lot of time.
And I love this stuff that Small Town Monsters have done.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Oh they do a great job.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Fantastic job. And we we literally have turned down almost
every network and and and big big bigfoot shows that
want to come out into our areas and do this
and that, and I turn them down because that a
lot of that's just entertainment. I mean, everything's entertainment to
a point. But I'm not into being disingenuous or you know,
I mean, real sasquatch research is pretty boring. It doesn't

(01:32:26):
make for good TV. More time getting nothing than something,
and so it doesn't make good TV.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
You mean you're not you're not coming up on something
every fifteen minutes that is earth shattering and makes you go,
what was that?

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Not at all? Not at all, which make this, uh,
this hobby a lot, a lot easier. But no, no,
unfortunately it's far and few between. But when you do,
it's it's gold and you get really excited. Right, So
I want to I want to take people in and
just kind of showcase what how we conduct search and
what I consider to be research, you know, boots on

(01:33:03):
the ground, and then interact with people and stuff, so
that I think it's gonna be a lot of fun.
I think people are gonna enjoy it, and said a
lot of people have questions, and you know, you can
check us out on our website lenproject dot com, which
we update periodically. But this YouTube channel I wanted to be.
I wanted to take people along, like I'm strapping my
backpack on and they're jumping on my back, and take

(01:33:24):
them with, you know, and talk about a lot of
the ideas I have and a lot of the ideas
that Limbit Project has as members and and see if
something resonates with people something maybe they'll like I said,
have a piece of the puzzle by something I share
or talk about and like, oh that happened to me.
Or maybe someone will come up and go, hey, I
found nas you know, and they look very similar. That

(01:33:45):
would be amazing. So it's going to be multifaceted. The
main focus masquatch, but I'm gonna be I'm gonna talk
about a little bit of everything. You know, I'm a
big time hunter. I want to include that a lot
of the fish.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
So yeah, do you think is is there a possibility
that if if there is the weekend Warrior, the the
enthusiast with with desire but not much else, will they
be able to watch these and you know, kind of
tear a page out of your guy's book. As far

(01:34:18):
as hey, I should be doing this when I'm going out,
I should I should be collecting data. I should be
taking pictures. I should be recording uh you know, uh
in a in a journal or whatever what I'm finding.
Are they going to be able to pull some pull
some tactics out of your bag and use them themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
I sure hope. So, I mean that's a great point. Yeah,
I mean that's something I hope to be able to
provide in that people will encourage people to maybe either
adopt certain methods or uh, you know, or or take
something and maybe adapt it their way. That would be fantastic.
And I'm definitely am going to provide that stuff as

(01:35:00):
much as one can. And you could take it or
leave it or you know, I'm still you know, I'm
learning something all the time. You know, I'm not an
expert by no means an expert, but I do have
a lot of experience, and so do a lot of
the other individuals in the Olympic Project, and I think
they have a lot to share. They have a great,
a wonderful voice of for sasquatch, and a lot of experience,

(01:35:20):
years of experience, and some of their methods are pretty phenomenal.
And so it's going to be Yeah, definitely, I hope
someone can rip a page out of that book and
do something with it and study it. And you know,
YouTube it will be there. You can go back and
watch it later, stop it, report it. So it's just
a and it's free, you know. So you know, I'm
never one to I'm not a money guy. I hate

(01:35:42):
charging people anything. You know, I usually end up giving
people stop.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
I got one more question for you before I let
you go. You said these nests always tend to be
on the western.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Face, tend to be Yeah, yeah, Is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
That is that with the sun rising in the east
and being at their backs, if the nests are facing west,
does that put them in the shadows for the majority
of the time that the sun is in the sky
to help keep them from being seen.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
Yeah. I mean typically in this area, the canopy is
pretty thick, so you couldn't wouldn't be able to, Like
we used to try to fly a drone in there,
it's near impossible. You can. Well, some of these new
drones we have, we can, but this camp is pretty thick,
but it is pretty much in the shade, in the
shadow most of the day until it gets into like
the you know, the western side into above the seasonal

(01:36:45):
Salmon Creek where it's peering through. You get that late warmth,
which I think might be a key role because it's
these are on fingers right and you have this really
steep slope down to the seasonal Sanmon Creek, very steep,
real quick escape routes, but that sun will peek through
and just warm that area up right before nightfall. So
I think it's obviously and that seems to be in

(01:37:07):
at least this area consistent with everything everything nest we
found on a western facing slope. Is it on purpose?
I don't know. I tend to think it is. I
don't think these nests are whatever's making these nets are
very intelligent.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Put it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
They know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Very interesting, very interesting stuff. Shane, You're welcome back here anytime,
my friend. It's been a great conversation. I appreciate you
taking the time and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Just thank you well, thank you. It's been absolute pleasure
speaking with you, and I really really enjoyed the conversation
and so I will definitely love to come back sometimes.
It's been fun, fantastic, sounds like we have a lot
more to talk about always do. Thank you, sir, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Good night, Peak Consumers, Pups.

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