Bigfoot, UFOs, and Drones: Are We Just Living in a Sci-Fi Movie? ep173

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the upper case and I got another bigfoot show for
you here, people, I got a gentleman from let's say

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the down below the Thumb, somewhere between Detroit and Toledo, Ohio,
very very close to nineteen sixty five's and row Monster sighting.
So if you're ready, let's get into it all right.

(02:27):
If you will, please give a warm Uncomfortable welcome to
mister Scott Brush Scott, Welcome to Uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Thanks Ben, appreciate the opportunity and the invitation.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Glad to have you here, sir.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Show for the cough.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I was sick for like a month.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I apologize for a month, and you gotta get that
taken care of.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
I know it's it's probably walking, but you know, I'm
the typical stubborn mail so we'll get there. Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Friend of the show, Gabe heye reached out to me
and uh suggested you. Somehow he got a hold of
you and you reached out to me. We had it
set up for what about a week ago. You had
some kind of an emergency at the school you were
working at. I'm glad we were able to get things
together for this, for this show. So thank you. I

(03:14):
appreciate you, uh being patient and rescheduling with me. Scott,
You you are more than an enthusiast in the topic, correct.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
You You are.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
A self proclaimed researcher.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, field researcher, a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Okay, before we get into your tactics of research and
the results that you have come across in your research,
why don't you go ahead and tell us if you can,
uh what what prompted the interest in this? Did you
have an experience? Did you have sighting? Uh, let's let's

(04:00):
into your store.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's a little bit different than that. You know, back
in the day, I was like six years old, back
in like ninety two, ninety three.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
All the kids in the exactly I know I was tomorrow,
it's like sixty years old in nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, but all the other kids are looking at you know, Garfield,
Kelvin and Hobbes, all the big stuff at the time,
like the Magic Eyebooks. I'm just over here looking at Bigfoot,
you know, demonology, ghosts, and just the idea of this.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Harry.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
At the time, I believed it was, you know, just
like a gorilla in the woods. I was just fascinated
and it just took off. And it's like thirty years
later and now, you know, I've had experiences and looking
back as a kid, there was a lot of phenomenon
back then that I didn't know at the time because
I was so young. That was actually bigfoot phenomenon, tepee structures,
tree breaks that you know, were unexplainable, you know, some

(04:52):
grunting when I was outside in these woods that I had.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
No business being in at my age. But you know,
we can all probably say that.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
And after that, exactly, yeah, the street lights times are over, unfortunately.
But and after that it just took off, you know,
and I'm like, now it's time to get out here
and try to do something with this. I don't feel
like this is just an interest. I almost kind of
feel like it's a calling. You don't have too many
eight year old kids that are kind of fascinated with
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Most of them are terrified. And I just couldn't stop.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
My parents were like, stay away from this, it's scary,
and I just I couldn't. It was just magnetic, you
know what I mean. Yeah, And it's just taken me places.
And I've met so many great people that have had
their own experiences and have been doing it for you know,
longer than I have.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well, you know, I grew up in a house. I
was an only child. I was completely obsessed by about UFOs.
By five, Bigfoot came into the picture probably around seven
or eight. That turned into the Bermuda Triangle and Malocknous
Monster and Chupacabra and everything else that you know came

(05:55):
across my way.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
The brain meltdown.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
What's at the brain melted down because yeah, yeah, there's
so much.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Never never, never faltered in my belief of UFOs. So
fifty four years later, you can imagine my, my, my
joy with the the recent disclosure and the almost undeniable

(06:30):
amount of videos that have been coming up. Now the
problem is AI. I am a very science minded and
I think tech is amazing and I think it's cool
and I love it. But I freaking hate what AI
is doing to this this topic because it is it

(06:53):
is not like you've had enough muck and mere and
shit to wade through, uh for years, through YouTube and
and and photos and you know, blurry videos and and
all the shit. Uh, there's there's been so much that
you have to trudge through to find those little those

(07:14):
little specks of things that grab you by the gut
and say, oh, now that one's fucking that that one,
that one makes my tummy feel weird, you know. So again,
you know, I think AI is is. It's a phenomenal,
phenomenal thing. But the the usage is already out of

(07:35):
hand with you know, faking pictures and faking videos and
and it just I hate that it muddies it because
it's already a muddy situation. And yeah, that could be
an entire show in itself. So I'll move on.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
But I got you there too.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I'm into aliens like aliens got me for a while
and then just the big kind of you know, everything
is coming to total disclosure now, full disclosure. I think
you know, the sightings are increasing. You know, it's like
the veil sitting between that world and ours. It's like,
and what do you think about the drones over New
Jersey do you think?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean, well, you know, here's here's my I'm glad
you brought that up.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
To be honest, it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's like a disco ball in the sky.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
It is fascinating. And and what I find strange about
it is in the media, at least here in in
Northern Indiana, everything that you hear is what's coming out
of the New Jersey area. Okay, you know a couple
of sightings now over New York City. But you know,

(08:45):
when you start digging deeper, you're you're having sightings of
these things in Arkansas, in Florida, in uh In Georgia,
in Arizona, California, Florida, if I haven't already said that,
in the UK, around US military bases, in Argentina, in

(09:06):
other countries. These are all happening, it seems simultaneously. Now
I have seen, oh my god, I can't I can't
even guess how many videos I've seen of these drones,

(09:27):
and a perplexed because some of them look very man made.
They look very nuts and bolts, very plane like, very
not hard to wrap your head around, except for the size.

(09:50):
Except for the size, because typically we don't see drones
within the size range that these are being reported, anything
from a VW beetle to UH to a full size
SUV in size to like a small plane. But then

(10:11):
there's some that really don't look like that, and they
look stranger. They there. There's there's problems with capturing them
on cameras. In like, there's even been a couple that,

(10:32):
from a distance look one way, but when zoomed in
on UH, they seem to change their properties and become
much more anomalists looking. So the fact that they're all happening,
a lot of them are happening around UH military installations,

(10:54):
you know that that makes me start to think two
frames of thought. Either we're talking UH maybe we are
much closer to nuclear conflict than any of us realize.
And extraterrestrials ultra terrestrials multi dimensional beings, whatever the hell

(11:14):
they are.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
And who knows at this point, I mean, I had
I've had to change my view fifty times, and even what.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
They are, yeah, you know, maybe they're like okay, it's
time we got to step in, or or it's something
that is new tech that we have possibly reverse engineered,
possibly not, but you know, maybe from a security standpoint,

(11:46):
a a new a new way of keeping keeping bases safe.
All right, Now, last night, around I don't know, it
was probably before five o'clock, I reached out to a

(12:07):
friend of mine who lives in Sussex, New Jersey, and
he has a bigfoot YouTube show called Shadow of the
Big Red Eye. His name's Mike Famelot had him on
the show early in my first season, and I sent
him a message. I said, hey, Mike, long time no

(12:28):
hear from It's Eric from Uncomfortable. Two things. One, it's
been a while since he've been on the show. I
want to get you back on. Talk about what you've
been up to for the past couple of years. Any
new sightings, any new research developments, anything like that. Number Two,
if memory serves you live in Sussex, New Jersey, is

(12:49):
the media making this bigger deal than what it really
is or is it as active as what people are
saying in your area. Didn't hearing from him for about
three and a half hours, maybe four hours, nine point
thirty last night. He sends me a photograph. He says

(13:10):
it's legit as hell. He's like, we're out now, we're
trying to capture him on film. And he sent me
a photograph. He was near a stop light, a light
was red. He took a picture, and in the distance
behind the stoplight were two white lights. When you zoom

(13:31):
in on it, that's when it got weird, because when
you zoom in to see what was off in the
distance the lights, the lights were bright, but then they
had like a negative black image around the bright light,
and then above the black was a glowing halo. So

(13:56):
you had something very bright circled with a really dark
ring and then light emitting from routes outside the edge
of it. Two of them side by side. One looked
like it was a little bit closer than the other. One.
Very strange looking photograph, almost like you were almost like
you were looking into like a negative zone like like nothing,

(14:19):
you know, like a black hole where there literally was
nothing in that blackness, but then it had bright light
all the way around it. So very strange, but like
basically he was a man on the a reporter on
the streets last night and said it was it was happening.
He also said that let me pull up the message here.

(14:40):
He did say that this is this is his his words, verbatim.
So they are flying over Piccatanny Picatinny Arsenal, which basically
protects New York City from air threats with lasers. The

(15:02):
government knows what these are. I feel they're being developed
over at the Arsenal. And you know, as much as
as much as I hope that these are unidentified up
extraterrestrial altraterrestrial super beings, my gut tells me that what

(15:22):
we're seeing in the skies for the most part, is
something that is man made, and these things are basically unmanned.
You know, because a couple of videos last night, there's
literally my girlfriend sent it to me on Instagram, and again, AI,

(15:45):
it doesn't necessarily mean it's real. It looks real, it
looks like it checks out. But she said, this literally
looks like something out of Space Invaders, because you know,
there's this there's this drone. It's it's in a slightly
aggressive forward stance in the air, and then you're seeing

(16:05):
like tracer rounds that are coming out of the drone
firing at the ground. You know, what are we shooting
at you know, I don't know if that's over a
training area and you know they have things set up
for it or I don't know. It's bizarre and it
has got my attention crazy. It's almost an unhealthy fascination

(16:28):
with it at this point for me, because you know,
I'm having a hard time talking to you without looking
to see what the latest video is.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
So the two things that got me into Aliens. Honestly,
I love the Phil Schneider story. The underground base. Yeah,
oh my gosh. He came out to Michigan a lot,
I believe to lancing and spoke like about his experiences,
and I believe his story. And then I also like
the Dulcie Bass you know underneath New Mexico. That one
kind of that one terrifies me. That's like the train wreck,

(16:57):
you know what I mean. You got to look at it,
even though you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Isn't it strange that Phil ends up committing suicide with
his own.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Catheter missing, you like four fingers on one hand?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Himself, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, and then and then he had already been uh
cremated when his wife went to to claim the body.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's all coincidence.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, I'm sure it is.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Absolutely, we think too much.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, it's it's much better if we all stayed dumb.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I agree, if we stay dumb.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
But that's the way they want us so exactly. So Scott,
all right, you indicated that you you know, looking back
on it, you you saw some things as a kid.
Before we get to that, what, what's your take on
the on the drone thing?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Honestly, I think that some of it is obviously government
or military technology, but I also think some of it
is also otherworldly, Like so there's some sort of collaboration
going on where if we have some real extraterrestrial entities
in the sky flying these things, well we also have
some government made ones. Everybody's just going to believe it's
the government. So I think it's like partially staged. But

(18:18):
the smart people like us that know what's going on
and you know, smell something fishy. I think there's a
mixture of both up there, like organic etis in manufacturing equipment.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, it's interesting because you know, I mean, like, uh,
you know, Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp. You know, I
love and hate those guys because I love I love
the I love the stuff that they have released, and
I like the way they handle their conversations and and everything.

(18:56):
But you know, you can only tell me, oh man,
we got so much stuff that's going to come out,
you're just not gonna believe it. Well, fucking let it go, dude.
Let's let's see it. You know, quit telling me you
got it and and start letting it out. But but
one of the things that they they they kind of
brought to light was the the jellyfish looking robotic thing

(19:17):
that was floating over the US installation across seas. Very
bizarre looking thing, very very unnatural. You know. I mean,
if you squint your eyes a little bit at it,
you you can almost like imagine a humanoid torso fitting

(19:38):
into that and you know, being But so you have that.
And then within the past couple of days, one of
the videos that I saw still images from of these
drones and apparently this one was over the States here
somewhere but near the ocean, looked like an illuminated manta ray.

(20:08):
And I'm like, okay, you know, now, some of these
that they're they're showing in these videos, some of them
look like they're squares. Some of them look like they're rectangular.
Some of them look like they're have an X body
to them. Some of them look like they're literally a
small airplane. You know, it looks like they have a
nose and a fuselage and wings. There's so many different

(20:31):
styles and you know.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Like transformers basically.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well, yeah, I mean it's like, holy fuck, what what's
going on here?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
I mean, you know, so I don't disagree with you
when when you say I think there's a component of
them that are things that we have within our arsenal,
But then there's others that it's just like where the
fuck are these from?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
It's part you know, it's like the more you think
about it, you're just like, Okay, we're going to be
here all fucking year if we go down the rabbit hole,
you know what I mean, Because I got so many
theories on what they are, and I got like, I'm
a kind of guy that needs to be comfortable with
a theory otherwise I can't shut my mind off about it, Like, Okay,
I can accept this for today, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, I you know, you said you changed your perspective
on where you think they're from. Andre You know a
number of times and and I've done that as well.
I mean, when I was a kid and most of
my growing up, I was firmly convinced that they have
to be coming from somewhere outside of our world. I

(21:43):
don't think that anymore. I think I think that they are.
I think that they are here. I think that they
have been here for a long time. Whether they are
us from the few future, whether they are a whether

(22:06):
they are a an entity that lives alongside us but
within a different dimension, the one that we cannot often view.
You know, I don't I don't know what the component
is that why they come, you know, because there's so
many there's so many videos of of U A p S.

(22:28):
I hate that name U A p S or UFOs
for Fox yeah alone, But you know, they there's so
many that they seem to phase in and out. You know.
It's it's like it's almost like they're they're not completely here,
and then they are completely here and then when they

(22:49):
decide to take off there again kind of in between,
you know. So I don't know if that's you know,
a component to dementia it'll travel or what. But you know,
the the USO, you know, the the amount of sightings
that have been happening in the water and in and

(23:11):
around the water. Was never it's It's been around for
a long time, but like even in my twenties, twenties,
maybe early thirties, you would hear about it very, very seldom.
Now it's gotting, it's gained a lot of popularity, and
it's getting talked about a lot. Seventy percent of their

(23:35):
surface is water. What better place to hide, you know.
I mean, we know more about the surface of the
Moon than we do about the bottom of our own oceans.
So yeah, I think they're here. I think they're here,
and I think they've been here for a long time.
Whether they are like I heat saying this because it

(23:58):
sounds really stupid and unbelievable, But you know, I don't
know if they are necessarily a part of our daily reality,
or or if they only we only see them in
certain at certain times because they've they've crossed into our perception,

(24:25):
or we have somehow gone somewhere that the veil is
thinned between those two worlds and we can see through it.
I don't know. I don't know which is I don't
know which is more less disturbing. If if we're getting
to peer into their side of things, or if they're
coming and popping into our side of things. I think
that the latter is probably more poor, more accurate. But yeah,

(24:51):
I don't know. It's interesting. I have I have a
show coming up. I have two gentlemen who are charter
captains out of Saint Joe, Michigan. And I had one
of them real me and he said, he's like, do
you ever do many shows about UFOs? And I said,

(25:13):
you know it, I'm open to it all the time.
I said, they just won't come around that often because
most of them are I saw a strange light in
the sky. It didn't move the way it was supposed to.
You know, it was barely bigger than a star. Can't
really tell you any more than that. So there's not
a lot to talk about, you know. And he said,

(25:36):
he said, have you ever seen have you ever seen
Unsolved Mysteries where they did a show about a bunch
of UFOs that were tracked on radar out over Lake,
Michigan back in nineteen ninety four. And I said, yeah,
I absolutely have. I said, I know the story well.

(25:57):
I live about twenty five miles away from Saint Michigan,
and back in ninety four, when those UFOs made their
way down to the Benton Harbor Saint Joe area, I
was I was very aware that that that was going
on and h and I didn't have any way of
going there, and you know, it just was. It wasn't

(26:21):
like I was going to be able to investigate it,
but I was very aware of it. I talked to
another gentleman who later because that happened, I believe in
March of ninety four, and they had those UFOs were

(26:41):
captured on radar for over two and a half hours.
And I had a gentleman who was along the Saint
Joe Beach later that summer witnessed the same exact thing.
And then when it left, he witnessed two military jets

(27:04):
coming across the lake from the Chicago area in pursuit,
headed in the exact same direction that the lights had left.
These guys are charter captains that go out early morning.
They said they usually hit the water at about four
o'clock in the morning during summer, and they typically take

(27:26):
their charters about ten miles out. And he said, almost
every morning we will see the lights and he says,
we're ten miles out straight out of Saint Joe and
he says, if you were to draw a line from
us to Gary, Indiana, that would be the direction that

(27:49):
you would be seeing the lights. He says, I've got
other captains because he's like when the lights are out,
he said, we're all on the radio. He says, we've
reported it to the coast Guard. We've reported. We have
conversations with each other. Hey, Charlie, have you seen it? Yep, yep,

(28:09):
I see him. I got eyes on him as Pete
know that they're out there yet, and he's like, Pete
on the here. He's like yeah, He's like, have you
seen him? And he's like no, he says, look to
the look to the southwest, and then Pete it's like, Yep,
I see him. I see him. So where this scene,

(28:29):
these lights are the same place, the same part of
the Michigan Triangle that goes out from Betton Harbor into
the lake and up to around I think it's Muskegan
area where the triangle forms. But they're seeing these same
lights in the same area that that event in nineteen

(28:54):
ninety four ended up. Once they had moved down from Muskegan,
they very same area that was off of between Saint
Joe and Gary. So you know, it's been ongoing for years.
And now I've got a show that's coming up with

(29:15):
the two of the charter captains plus the Mofline director
Bill Konkoleski from the state of Michigan, who is going
to bring in collaborating evidence or collaborating reports that will
show that ever since ninety four when that was first reported,
there have been I think he said, nearly three hundred

(29:40):
reports since then. And the one gentleman said that on
July fourth, July third of twenty twenty two, he was
actually on the beach at Saint Joe and he said
there were quite a few people out there. He said,
everybody was kind of get pregaming for fourth of July,

(30:03):
excuse me, And he said they witnessed a craft that
was relatively low. They could see the underbelly of the
craft and the lights and it came over the came
over the beach and followed the beach line, and he
said people had eyes on it for nearly a half hour.
It was moving so slowly. He said it was low

(30:24):
enough that whatever should you should have been able to
hear something. And he's like we didn't hear anything, so
that that should be an interesting show.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Absolutely, I'll tune into that one for sure if I'm available.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But we're we're here to talk about Bigfoot. So and
we're thirty five minutes. Thirty five minutes into it, we've
barely covered Bigfoot. So you indicated that as a child,
you looking back on it now, you see things. You
saw things that you know probably should have pointed you.
But that's not where your brain was at the time.

(30:59):
What was what was the what was the catalyst? What
was the thing that happened at a at an age
where you you put two and two together? What happened
that that put you on this path to wanted to research?

Speaker 3 (31:19):
I think that you know, as a kid, I mean,
I'm from northern Michigan, you know, way up top, like
not quite the up but really not all that far either,
And there's so much untamed wilderness up there.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Oh my god, it's incredible. I love it up there.
It's it's phenomenal. It's God's country, absolutely, But yeah, there's
there's places where man neighbors are far and few between.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Exactly. But what got me interested though, was like, when
you're six years old, you can't do a whole lot.
But looking back on all the experiences I had had,
you know, being too little to know what they were
till the research later on in life kind of you know,
explained it to me.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
I couldn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
But when I got older, I'm like, oh, right, let's
go to a place where it's a known bigfoot hot
spot or at least have had sightings. And that was
in Athens, Ohio, And that was literally just July of
twenty twenty three. Was my first experience that really said, Okay,
I need to tell people about this, I need to
share this. And then just when I think that's the big,

(32:19):
big one, the fact that there's one like here in
my local area, there's like a whole clan of Bigfoot
back there. In my first experience back there, it's a
little more important to me because it's here in my
home state, and it's kind of like all my life
as a kid, it's like, I want to have a
Bigfoot experience in the state of Michigan. Just nobody thought
it would be in an urban in.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
An urban area.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
And now it's like, maybe it's because we're imposing on
their territory. All the new developments and you know, hotels
and condos and stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
They're just kind of taking.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
What might be left. But then again, I also believe
they're personal. Personally, believe they're interdimensional and they just kind
of pop in here and there. So it could be
any number of things. But I think if you see them,
they want you to, They want to be seen. They're
not going to reveal themselves to just anybody.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Okay, so you believe they're interdimensional. And I'm not throwing
shade at that at all because I I do not
discount the and I hate this term to the WU.
I don't. I don't discount it. I think I think

(33:27):
there's things in this world that can do things that
we don't understand. And you know, five hundred years ago
it was considered magic, you know, but it was natural,
it was natural sciences. We just didn't understand it. We
didn't know how to explain it. So what what is

(33:54):
what's your experience that leads you to believe that they
are inter dimensional?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Actually, at some point I'll actually send you the video
that I have of a story that I'm about to
tell you. Me and my buddy had went out, you know,
to the research site as I like to call it,
and we weren't even expecting I saw it first and
he was able to see it too, and I wasn't
expecting to see that. But like when you get here,
it's just in the back of a local park and

(34:24):
there's like this clearing that goes straight down for like
half a mile with no trees, a perfect spot, like
if you can picture a big glowing portal opening in
like a clearing where there's where the trees are taken out.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
That's what it was. And there's always was activity down there.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
But that night we were going I'm looking down there,
all of a sudden, it's like this big glowing orb
shows up. There's natural gas lines under there, and you know,
being a researcher, I have to debunk first, as much
as I hate it, and I'm like, okay, maybe something
with the natural gas had some sort of reaction with
you know, something over there, and it just kept getting
bigger and then I'm seeing shit come out this thing.

(35:01):
I'm literally bipedal figures. I actually have the photos of
that too. The stills from the video is three.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
In the morning.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Understand understand that you make when you make bold claims
like that and you tell me that you have pictures.
People that are listening to this are going to expect
to be able to go to my Instagram page and
look at these pictures.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Absolutely, you have my permission to have it.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay, all right, I gotta see.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
That, absolutely, because I would not say that if I
did not did not have the changeable proof in this
very phone that we are talking through right now.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
That is that's very similar to uh one of the
one of the experiences that the Bigelo team had encountered
at Skinwalker Ranch when uh when Big Low was was
there was with his research groups.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And I love Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I actually read about that when I was younger. But
when the show came out, I'm like, yes.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
How many So you had figures coming out of a
portal and they were, yes, there, they were coming into
your reality. And as they came out, they went where.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Like the tree line is right over here to the right,
and it was like they were just like taking a break. Hey, guys,
let's go out to recess and they're literally jumping into
the tree line. The next morning, I go out there
and I see.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Tree, a huge tree break roughly in the same.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Area that the portal was I think some tree breaks
are just they can't bear the weight of the of
the bigfoot, so they snap another.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Ones I think are territorial markers.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
In this case, I think they were just having fun
and it broke and it was literally the trunks about
that big a round two, and I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
What's snapping this?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
There was no wind green tree, and it's in a
spot where there's no not even any other trees around
to even, you know, possibly explain knocking it over. This
was like something just got too high and snapped it
right over, just like a twist and just pushed right
to the ground.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
So your your thought is that that one of the
creatures broke the limb, or that the limb was broken
by the portal as it was opening.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
One of the creatures from the portal as he walked out,
jumped into the tree line.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
That's how I believe it broke.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Okay, that's halilating.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I know that it sounds crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I've got to see this picture.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I'll send it all to you man for sure. Can
I send it to the same email that you sent
the link for that? Ye?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And you said this was just just recent.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
The portal video was end of February early March of
this year. I believe they move more in cold weather.
That's why I tend to do my research when there's
a US chance of it being human contamination. It's like
a negative five here right now, I'm going to go
out there and do research because I know nobody else is,
and I know the Bigfoots or I believe the Bigfoots
move better in the temperature. I think they even like it,

(38:13):
like they operate better than they do in the summertime
because it's so hot.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I think they're better in the cold.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Okay, so let me get your theory on this all right.
If they are, if they are interdimensional, if they are
coming into our reality from theirs, what do you think,

(38:44):
what's the attraction?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Well, I mean, I gotta say something so i have
a reference point for this part of it. I'm not
gonna go far with it, but I think that they're
also biblically connected. I think that big foot are essentially
like and you, obviously, I believe you know the Nephilone
story from the Bible a little bit. You know the
falling out the angels, you know when the angel offspring

(39:09):
the giants. Yeah, I believe that they're like descendants of
the Nephalone, like like they're descendants of Cain. So I
think they're like flesh and blood creatures, but they're cursed,
like you know, with disappearance, and so I think that
they it's kind of like you know what happens when
you go away from home for a while, you get homesick.
I just think they kind of flash back and they
want to pop in, you know, check out the planet

(39:30):
and just you know, kind of come back to their.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Old stomping grounds.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Because I think they're creatures a habit. They're going to
return back to the same place more than once. And
I think here is because I have.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
The river ask and believe me, I'm not trying to
be argumentative with you. An't oh no, but I gotta
know why would they be interested in being the Pacific Northwest,
or in in the Midwest, in Michigan or in Ohio
when they weren't here before. I mean, if if this
is biblically related, why wouldn't be showing up only over

(40:01):
where they were from.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I think they're just always here. That's where the cloaking
and all that stuff comes in. I just think that
not the people who are lucky enough to have a
legitimate bigfoot sighting, are supposed to. Like I said, I
think if you stumble up on one, No, you didn't
find a sleeping bigfoot on accident, that bigfoot wanted to
be found, don't.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I think people are chosen to see these things.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
And once you go out to a spot and you
have an experience, and you continue to go back to
that place, they trust you. And that's why there's just
I have so many experiences because it's like scrat's back,
you know what I mean. The other day I found
a pink bow about nine feet up off the ground
on like a little twig, like a tree branch. This
thing was like a like a roach clip pretty much

(40:47):
with a pink bow, and it was rusted. This is
ten degrees outside, you know, as somebody walking their child out,
you know, in this cold. I think it's like gifting.
I think it was left there for me. Hey, we're friends,
we trust you.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Have you have you had any kind of experiences with
them that were that were like a personal experience.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
You know, let me see, I can't say anything like real,
real personal. I think that activity tends to happen more
when you're by yourself. So I've had you know, logs
thrown in my direction that were this big, like not
directly at me, but hey, you're not alone out here.
I think those are times where it's like, we don't
want you out here, please leave.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And what do you think? What do you think the
difference is? Why do you think there are times where
we don't want you out here? And then there's other
times that you know, we we trust and we'll go
ahead and we're going to show ourselves to you.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I think it's just like you know, you or me,
let's say we have a hard day at work and
we just kind of want to come home and unwind
and not deal with anybody. I think they just kind
of want to have some privacy and just sort of
stay away, just like we do.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Honestly, I think that they're they're pretty much a primitive
human race, and even though they're primitive, they still have
a lot of the same traits and abilities and you know,
feelings and stuff that we do. So I think they
have free will just like we do as well. And
if they're having a bad day and you're in their house,
I mean, you're going to kick your company out, you know,
if they're in your home and they're causing a ruckus

(42:23):
or whatever. So I just think they're just like we
are in that aspect.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
You know, the religious aspect of it. It gives me.
It gives me problems because though I believe in God
and I believe in Jesus Christ, I don't think Jesus
Christ was his name. I think I think he had
a different name, you know, I don't. I don't think
Christmas was the day he was born. So but yet

(42:52):
I have my belief.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
And that's why this is interesting. You know.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I can sometimes hear somebody else's opinion where it's like, oh, man,
that doesn't conflict with mine. I can actually work with
that too. You can't just be so zoned out. You
have to be willing to mingle with other people's opinion, right,
be open minded. Otherwise it's not a field for you.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
You know. But it's like to give this I could.
I can almost buy into the idea that they might
be descended of Nephlum bloodlines, but I have a problem

(43:39):
thinking that they would actually be.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I don't believe they're Nephelum. I believe they're the descendants
as well.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
But for me, Hm so you know, we're talking crazy
shit now.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
So that's why it's called the Uncomfortable Podcast.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
It is so if if there's truth, if there's any
truth too, where we came from? All right, So the
Bible says, boom, there's Adam and Eve. We're talking. We're naked,

(44:22):
we understand. Everything's chit chatty, and and we have cognizant
thought and everything, you know, just just like that. But yet,
but yet, we have fossil records, and we have we
have things that show that we have been here for
millions of years, and that that timeline doesn't line up

(44:47):
with what the Bible says. You know, it's it's there's
there's a big there's a big gap there. You know,
you can't you almost have to be one or the other.
My mind says that religion and science can work together.
They can they can coexist, but until both groups are

(45:07):
willing to let it go exist, there's always going to
be that massive separation. So, you know, there's there's been
talk for decades about the possibility of genetic manipulation, DNA manipulation,
whether it whether it had been by a divine action,

(45:31):
whether it was you know, we were we were some
fairly smart monkeys that God decided to, Hey, let's level
these guys up, because you know they're showing promise. Let's
level them up. Whether it was God, whether it was extraterrestrials,

(45:51):
whether it was ultra terrestrials. And to me, it makes
sense that if if you were going to take a
group of anything and alter it, you would want to
do that in a very smart way and hope instead
of just hoping that you've made a good decision and

(46:14):
that they're gonna they're gonna work out, you would have
a control group that you would leave alone and and
remain as is, and then you would have a group
that you would you would alter, and you would see
the difference over an immense span of time. What will

(46:39):
the original group do? And what will the group that
we've changed, What will they do? So a lot of
times my brain goes to, I'm definitely in the camp
that these things are not just an animal, all right,
There's there's way too many ports that these things exhibit

(47:03):
high levels of intelligence and human like behavior. So what
if they're the original us and they're dislike for us?
Is because they recognize that we were we were altered,

(47:25):
and we are no longer. We are no longer pure.
You're not what they were. So it would make sense
that they would not like us. They would either be envious,
either be envious of us because they didn't get chosen,
or they would hate us distinctly because we shouldn't be

(47:47):
what we are. So that that's kind of that's kind
of where my head is at, that they they could
possibly be the original us. We are. We are the
next level we have. We have leveled up, and you
know who's who's better off. They're still living off the land,

(48:09):
They're still living in the wild. They are not in
they're not inhibited by anyone's crazy laws and taxes and
and all those things. They can live on a piece
of property without having to pay taxes. We, on the
other hand, we have turned into a cancer in this
world and we pretty much destroy everything that we touch,

(48:33):
even though we think we're pretty fantastic. So, I mean,
that's that's kind of that's kind of my mindset on
what these could be. Again, I'm completely open to being
one wrong.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
That's the first time I've heard that theory, and I
find that one interesting. Like, even though I believe what
I believe, I still love to hear what everybody else thinks,
because it's.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Like, Okay, we don't know. You know, it could be
any It could.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Be all of our ideas and theories. It could be
one of them that's the beauty of this field.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Or it could be none of them and exactly, and
it could be that shit crazy and it's completely different
than what any of us think.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Do you like to read?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Do you like to read?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
You know? I wish I could say yes, but I
have what about ten or twelve years ago, was diagnosed
as late onset eighty eight adult eighty EIGHTHD. So when
I go to read, I can get through, uh a

(49:37):
half a page, and you know, it could be a
topic I am super into and I'm very interested in it.
But the next thing I know is, uh shit, I
got to write a grocery list, gotcha, I got to
write Oh shit, I forgot to pay the bills. I
got to pay the bills. I wonder what Joe's doing.
I haven't talked to Joe in a long time. Should
send him a text? And then you know, and then

(49:58):
and then I'm like, God, damn it, I I got
to go back to the beginning of the page again.
I gotta start reading again, and I get halfway. I
barely get past the place that I stopped the last time,
and my brain is going through, you know, fourteen other
things that so it's a very it's very frustrating for
me to read. And when I do read, it has
to be something that is concise and I can, I can,

(50:24):
I can engage it for a short period of time
and then let my brain flip the fuck out and
then I can go back and read something else small,
you know. But yeah, it's very frustrating. I really wish.
I mean, my kids, My kids have a great love
for reading. My girlfriend has a great love for reading.
And for me, it's just like, if I'm not visually stimulated,

(50:50):
I can't keep my attention so.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I can give you the cliffs notes. That's the beauty
of this book, all right. It actually opened my eyes
a little bit. It's called Bigfoot Land of Cain, the
belief like of you know, there being descendants of Cain,
and in a nutshell in eighteen thirty six at the time,
there was this dude named David Patton. He was trying
to build his church and he was out on his
horse or whatever at the time, and basically, a bigfoot

(51:14):
walked up the hillside and started walking alongside him, and
it explains how and this is like from the dude's diary.
He's like, I was terrified, but it didn't seem to
want to hurt me. So I asked it who it was,
and it turned and it started talking how, I'm Caine,
this was my curse because I killed my brother Abel.
So that's I'm I'm oh shit, if you're in the
woods and there's this ten foot tall ape like creature

(51:36):
staring you in the face, you're either going to shit
your pants or you're gonna want to kill it. So
I started to buy into it that maybe Bigfoot is
the curse because after God cursed him, he went over
back to Uh. I cannot remember what the world was.
I think it was like not or something east of Eden.
He loved it his wife and they had Enoch. So
I'm like, dude, he was already cursed when they had Enoch.

(52:00):
Enoch was said to be gifted with special powers too.
What if you can pass on your supernatural abilities, you know,
to your kids? You know, that's basically what the Bible says.
You know, I'm not saying one way or the other,
killing people what to believe. But it's there and it's
interesting whether you believe it or not.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Well, I agree that it's very interesting, and I think
it's thought provoking. I don't I don't know why I
have such a I don't know why. I don't know
why a block a block for that, I think, you know, yeah,

(52:41):
I'm going to say this, But then on the other hand,
I'm gonna I'm gonna retort it because you know, children
are born every day, right, children are a miracle. Okay,

(53:09):
but in the biblical sense of God showing his work
on a regular basis doesn't seem to really happen a lot.
Now again, kids are born every day. I believe that's

(53:30):
a miracle. And you know, so, yeah, every time a
child is born, there's proof that you know, God exists,
all right. But but like so, in the big picture
of the Bible, the Nephelum, there's not a lot written

(53:52):
about it. Now there's there's there's peripheral books that have
been omitted and other books that have been discarded and said,
you know, we don't need these books because it muddies
the waters and we just need to concentrate on this

(54:14):
one book, the Bible. I think that, like in my
upbringing in the Catholic religion, if if those other books
would have been a part of the conversation, I would
have been a lot more apt to buy into and
pay a lot more attention to, and be a lot
more interested in the whole story, because those weird things

(54:39):
are what always intrigued me and attracted me so.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
And that's that's why you got this going on. That's awesome.
Like I hope to be in your shoes one day,
you know what I mean, or at least be a
guest of it's audible one or the other.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
You know. So like the idea that the idea that
Bigfoot is going to announce to someone that he is
Kane that but okay, all right. But so then going

(55:13):
back to a prior statement that you made about how
many of these things you think exist, and you said,
what in the neighborhood of five six seven thousand.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
That's just in the state of Michigan alone, I would say,
that's me being conservative.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Okay, okay, you know what I mean, No, I get it,
and you know, I mean, I think there's this this
this made the rounds some years ago. I don't remember
exactly who it was. It was a fairly recognizable name
where they said, you know, somewhere in the neighborhood of
maybe three hundred per state. You know, I think I

(55:56):
think that at the very minimum, yes, I think probably
more depending on locale. But if you're if you've got
you know, fifties on states and you know, seven thousand,
roughly seven thousand or so, are they all descendants of cane?

Speaker 3 (56:23):
What if we eliminate the idea for a second of them,
you know, let's say, living like in the.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Woods of the up. What if that's like their vacation home.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
You know, what if coming to Earth is like their
time to get away from their own planet, and there's
just so many of them because this is not where
they typically reside. You just happen to be in the
right place at the right time and be chosen by
them to be seen, you know what I mean. So
it's like that, that's personally what I believe a lot
with that, Like, you know what, let's go chill on
the up for a while.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
They got good taste. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I don't disagree. It's a wonderful place to be. Spent
some time up there this late late UH late summer,
early fall. It was. It was it was a long weekend.
It was too short, but we packed a lot in
went over to the island. We were up in Saint Ignace.
We went up to Whitefish Point. I met a great guy,

(57:20):
great guy in uh in Mackinaw City. Before he went
over the bridge. He had a a place called Mystery Town,
us A. And we were we were pulling. We were
pulling into uh A gas station because I had I
had a pissed really bad. I was like, I was

(57:41):
not going to make it much further. And as we
were pulling through this parking lot, I saw a large
carved bigfoot statue out of like a tree. And I'm like,
oh man, that's cool. And you know, went into the
gas station, did my thing, came back out, and when
she got back out to the car, I said, I
want to go look at that statue again. We pulled

(58:02):
back around to the the other parking lot and there's
a statue and they had it all decorated for Halloween already,
and and there I am. I'm standing there and there's
sign above it says Mysterytown, USA. And I was like, Oh,
this is gonna be one of those hokey ass you know,
little shops with you know, a couple of little plastic
green aliens in there and and whatever. But we walked

(58:24):
in to see guy was super friendly, super friendly there
uh the owner and uh we were walking around taking
a look. He had a lot of a lot of
really nice uh clothes, like different types of a curl
found a found a really cool sweatshirt with a the

(58:45):
Michigan dog man on the front of it. Uh a Uh.
They had a they had a big foot silhouette there
that was eight foot tall on the wall and then
it had increments of one foot. Go over, stand up
against it and take your picture, and you know, I'm
five to nine and the next to eight foot silhouette

(59:09):
on the wall. Staggering, staggering, how small five foot nine
is compared to eight foot. So when you start thinking
about the idea that some people report the nine foot
I know. Robert Kriider out in New Mexico says, one
of the one of the adult males, the largest of
the adult males is probably cresting in near eleven foot

(59:32):
with a I mean I've I've held the track cast
from that that male And why is that? I couldn't
tell you how wide it has to be nine and
a half inches wide, ten inches wide, but twenty three
inches long from from the the radius of the heel
to the front of the big toe.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Twenty three it's got to be.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
So when you start thinking about a normal size, normal
sized individual next to something like that, that that tends
to put into perspective of for me. Because you go
to a zoo and see a polar bear. Polar bear

(01:00:18):
is a big fucking animal, an elk, this big fucking animal.
But when you're talking about something that's bipedal, stands, stands
upright on two legs and can be in the neighborhood
between eight and ten plus feet tall, that seems supernatural.

(01:00:44):
So from that perspective, I will, I will, I will
entertain you know, your belief that that that seems a
little unrealistic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Yeah, I mean that's what I respect that you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
You know, you threw that little bit in there too,
because I like how open minded you are about that
aspect of it. Like, I'm willing to believe whatever comes
at me. That's definitive proof.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
But right now I have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
To yeah, yeah, you know you can. You can. You
can compartmentalize. You know, you can have your core beliefs
and you can compartmentalize other things that you might entertain
are a possibility. And then you can compartmentalize things that

(01:01:33):
you say you think is just complete and utter bullshit.
But I think you have to I think you have
to take You can't discount any of it, you just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I Mean, there's a theory that Bigfoot maybe aliens.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
You know, there's been plenty of sightings where there's spending
UFO and some sasquat shows up. You know, if Bigfoot's
an alien, I can buy into that, and that can
be another reason why they're interdimensional.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
That isn't just a biblical connection.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I mean, like there's so many things that could be
right and can make sense. Like there's almost too many possibilities.
So that's why I'm always out there, you know, I'm
trying to get new stuff. So it's like, how can
I further my research to the point where things become
a bit more conclusive. But as of right now, I'm
leaning in supernatural because that's what I've experienced.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I just can't explain it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
I mean, what's gonna throw a log that's like eight
inches around six feet long with no opposable thumbs in
almost negative degree temperatures at a high rate of speed
as well. Like I didn't feel threatened, but I felt like, okay,
this is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Your warning, get you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Yeah, Like what unless there's somebody out there playing pranks
throwing throwing things, there's nothing else that really makes any sense.
I can't you know, there's no bears back here. Again
this is a very urbanized area. But again too, there's
deer back there. There's rabbits back there the rivers like
about a mile to the west, so you're not allowed

(01:03:02):
to hunt back there. So if they do indeed have
the need to eat from like a mammal standpoint, that's
a free game preserve for them. So I think that's
another reason why they're going back there, because it's like,
why wouldn't we We don't get to worry about this
place getting over hunted or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
So when you when you go out and you you
do your research. I I spoke with a gentleman done
in Tennessee. I believe it was who who fancied himself
a bigfoot researcher after having a and I don't discount
the fact that he probably had an experience, but then

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he then that wasn't good enough. Then he then he
had another experience that was if I I won't, I
won't go into it. That was just back shit crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
And it's cool to listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
But yeah, but when I asked him as a researcher,
what are you going out there with? What are you
what are you taking? What's in your what's in your
bag of tricks that you are trying to capture evidence
of these things? You know? And I'm and I'm expecting

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to hear that I'm carrying a couple of pounds of
plaster of Paris can of silicone so that I can
spray the spray the print and and you know, have
it released well with the plaster of Paris when I
when it dries, instead of pulling all the dirt out
with it. I'm expecting him to carry a bucket and

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either water or know that the water is going to
be near where he's at so that he can mix
the plaster of Paris. I'm expecting that he's got some
kind of filming equipment meant to go pro camera, something
cam quorder. You know, I'm expecting to hear trail cams.

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I'm expecting to hear you know, even on the outside
edge that you know, it might be something electromagnetics. So
you're carrying uh, some of some ghost honting equipment as well,
you know, like EMF detector or something to you know,
find find something that's anomalous in the area when you're
having these experiences. And and his answer to me was, well,

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you know, I have my backpack and uh, you know,
I had my backpack and uh binoculars. And I'm like,
I'm like, all right, dude, Well you're not a researcher.
You're a dude taking a hike and you're hoping and

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you're hoping to have an experience. So you know that
that on one end of spectrum. You know that being
on one end of the spectrum. As far as what
are you doing to constitute research?

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Now, first of all, most of my best evidence, I'm
gonna be honest with you, I have found when I
was just out there at a hike with no intention
to do any sasquatch research. Okay, so I was completely
unprepared other than my phone and my phone has proven
obviously the most reliable piece of equipment I have, because
I believe if you're going out there all techie, i'm

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film crew ready, that can almost be too much. I'm
about like odd disagreement osp on site for curement. For me,
if I'm gonna would knock, it's going to be from
a piece of wood that's in that area where there's activity,
I'm not going to bring anything from the outside. I'm
not bringing any weapons with me because that could also
give off the vibe that I haven't a hurtful intention.

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So I go out there like I do. Got my backpack,
but it's got like water in it in a first
aid tip.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
That's about it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
You know, extra socks because I'm former military, so that's
kind of hammered into my brain.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Sometimes it gets no worries man, my pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
But I go out there. I'm a minimalist. I consider
myself a minimalist traditional researcher. I'll do the whooping sounds,
I'll do wood knocks. I'll also like scan the area
after I do that to see because I believe go
over your evidence later on, because your camera on your
phone or anything is going to see what the naked eye.
Can't so any video I take, I drag it through

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frame by frame, and when I find some evidence, I
screenshot it and you know, stamp it to where that
part of the video where I got that screenshot from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Can I most of my Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Can I ask what your experience in the service.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Was, Yeah, I mean it was. I was supply I
was a two zero five to one logistics ready to
squad in at Travis Air Force Bace in northern California.
It was a great time. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I don't regret it at all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I was there for about three years and when I
got out got out later on though, I was glad
to be home, you know what I mean, Like it
wasn't a twenty year thing for me. It was time
to kind of move on to different pastors, not better
because that made.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Me the man I am today. Sure, Yeah, it was
an overall great experience.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
So I enjoy it, and I believe a lot of
what I learned in their the situational awareness and attention
to detail truly helps my sasquad research for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
That that is that is where I was going with that.
I really enjoy talking with ex military current military first responders,
law enforcement, And the reason for that is that as

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trained observers and people who are expected to perform at
a high level under extreme duress, for some reason, their
experiences resonate with me a little bit higher than just

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Joe blow down the road. And it's because of that
training that they've had. It's because of the amount of
a pressure situations that they've had to had to work
in and still perform at a high level. So, as

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a trained observer, I can that door behind you just
opened and closed. I'm hoping you have somebody else living
in that house, because if not, you got a fucking ghost.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
But no, that's literally I have. I got three cats, right,
that's my main coon cat. And literally he goes in
the bathroom and he shuts the door behind him because
he wants privacy. That literally means don't fuck with me.
That means don't fuck with me right now. And it's
in the white on He looks up at you, like,
what the fuck are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
This is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
All right, excuse me? So he goes in and out
when he wants to get away from it all. It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Wow, okay, all right, because I was pretty sure I
didn't see anybody there, And I'm like, that door definitely
just closed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
I was laying on the couch back here one night.
The first time I discovered that he did that, I'm like,
what the hell? Like, I know that most of the
city is haunted, but come on now. I went in
there and I'm like, I got I got a video
somewhere I left to find it of him. I put
my phone in there so that I had it recorded
when he would go in, and it had his like
little pause. He just jumps up and shuts it and

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just walks away past the camera, like leave me alone.
So yeah, no ghosts, Okay, I mean there could be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I just haven't yet to see it. I mean I
wouldn't doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
I think my uh, I think my dog is trying
to make an appearance here. He's he keeps nosing his
way closer and closer, and pretty sure, pretty sure his
face is going to show here in a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Listen, dogs, get the views, man, Yeah, always get the views.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Okay, So the portal is a pretty significant thing to witness.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
That's what changed my views fully from gigantopithecus grade ape
to inter dimensional.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Okay. And and I think had I seen that as well.
I think I'd be in the same boat with you.
I don't. I don't think that's something that I would
have been able to get.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
It's hard to swallow mentally, I'll be honest with you.
I still watch it probably a few times every couple
of weeks because it's just so fascinating that I was
lucky enough to catch this without even planning it. I've
said it's a paranormal caught on camera, but they never
got back with me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Really yep, So I would I mean, I would love
to post it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
I just would like a platform where it's going to
really be appreciated, you know what I mean, Because it's
something that, holy fuck, what is this? Either there's a
shits on alien grays back here or big what's an
alien or their interdimensional? Either way, it's not of human origin.
It's in the back of a freaking local park, for
crying out loud.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
It's like, you know you you so you're not intentionally
but you are. You are drawing correlations that I tend
to pick up on, and so throughout my throughout my
tenure of being interested in in all these fringe fringe topics,

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these forty in topics, I've I've done a good deal
of ghost hunting, investigating with actual equipment. I've had an
experience that when it happened, I didn't think was Bigfoot related.
But years passed and two and two and two became six,

(01:12:57):
and I started putting things together and it was like
mm hmm. But that came after really going headlong into
reading people's experiences and having talked to a number of
people who had had experiences. And here's here's the thing

(01:13:17):
that I'll say. I've said this before on multiple shows,
that I think that what we're dealing with are I
don't know that Bigfoot is necessarily the watchdog or the
golden retriever for extraterrestrials. I don't. I don't know that
the relation is that close.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
But what I will say that makes you think a
little bit though.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
But what I will say is that I do think
all these things are related in that when you go
into a haunted location, one common thing that a lot
of people will report, and I've experienced myself, is is

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hearing knocking.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
And it's always.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Hearing a knocking on the wall. I've seen with my daughter,
got it on film, the manifestation of a true orb.
It wasn't. It wasn't a flash photography where my flash
bounced off of a particle of moisture or dust in

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the air or anything. It literally came out of nothing,
manifested into a ball about the size of a golf ball,
had a bluish dull bluish light, had a whitish halo
around it, and it was in our perception for maybe
two two and a half three seconds and it did

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this little zippity zoo and then it was gone. It
just dissipated. So I've experienced an ORB. I've been scratched
in a in a prison that had been abandoned for
years and years. So as I said, I it was

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in it's very close to Gary, Indiana. Oh it's it's
where it's where the Johnny Depp movie about Dillinger was filmed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Man, that's a tip of the tongue thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
I cannot remember the name of the damn place, but
that was. That was just two summers ago. I went
there for a fundraiser. The lady who ran the prison,
uh there was it was an outdoor uh drinks and orders.
They had a live band. Somebody apparently had told the

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woman that I was the host of Uncomfortable. She came up,
she goes, are you the guy with the ghost podcast?
And I said, well, yeah, I mean ghosts and other things.
And she says, after the after the entertainment's done, would
you like to take a Would you like to take
a tour of the prison? And I was like, yeah, absolutely.

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I thought it was going to be a very quick
walk through. It ended up being two and a half hours.
They literally took me on an entire tour of of
every aspect of that prison. We got into. We got
into the very small area that was used for female
prisoners for incarceration, and I think it was if I

(01:16:38):
remember right, I think it was six cells, just just
that small little block and it was kind of separated
from the mainstream where most of the men would be.
Obviously I was I was getting kind of tired at
the time. I was having some severe back problems. So
I was sitting down on a on a table up

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again bars and I put my hand back and grabbed
a hold of one of the bars. The cells were
in front of me, and I was just kind of
applying pressure to kind of twist my back and kind
of stretch it out as I was sitting there and
I felt something very lightly across the back of the
the back of my right hand, and I immediately pulled

(01:17:20):
my hand away because I thought spider web, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I'd rather be a ghost than a spider.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah, so you know, I mean, not a big fan
of spiders. And so that the gentleman who was doing
the tour continued talking and I and I just, without thinking,
I put my hand back up there again because I
was trying to stretch out my back and the next time,
I felt across the back of my hand just like this,

(01:17:49):
just like a real light finger touch, just rolled across
my hand, and I pulled my hand back again, and
he looked at me and goes, all right. I said, yeah,
I'm good, and he's like, what's going on? And I said,
I got touched and he's like he's like, he's like, well,
it's funny because in this area we've had several people,

(01:18:12):
all of them being males, saying that, and but he's like,
usually the men feel like somebody is tugging on the
front of their crotch of their pants, like they're you know,
near their near their crotch.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Well, easy, easy, now, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
So you know. We we continued the tour, we went
through a little bit more. Uh, we we got done
probably about a half hour after that happened. We were
back down in the main part of the prison getting
ready to leave, and uh, I was I was starving.
Uh the orders were just not enough to satisfy me.

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So we're we're walking Crown Point. That's that's the name
of the town that the prison then, Crownpoint, Indiana. And
I'm walking down the street with a couple other people
that had gone with us from work, and there was
a there was like a gourmet macaroni and cheese place

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that was a few buildings down and they were just
putting the chairs up on the tables. And I opened
up the door and I'm like, it looks like you
guys are closing. But I said, I'm freaking starving. I'll
take whatever you got still sitting under a heat lamp
or whatever. And he's like, ah, no, worries man. He's like,
the other half of this place is a bar. He's like,
I can throw you up something fresh. So we went

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in there and sat down and I was sitting at
the table and I looked down at my hand because
I had a wristband that they had put on for
access to the outside where they were doing the music
and the food, and I had scratches across the back

(01:19:55):
of the hand, So right where I felt the light
light finger touch on the back of my hand, I
had multiple scratches that were welted and red. And I
was like, holy shit. So I pulled my camera on
my phone out and I took pictures of it, and
I'm like, but you know, about a ninety minute drive

(01:20:17):
home and by the time I got home, there was
literally no nothing left on my hand. It was completely gone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
No, this is from the same spirit that was touching you.
You believe the same goes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
I think it had to be, because that's the only thing.
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
They were signific vibe like it was a kid, maybe
a child spirit or no.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
I didn't. I didn't. I couldn't give you a vibe
one way or another. The only thing I have to
go off of is that it was the women's the
women's cell block. And what that guy had said that
is you know a lot of guys get touched, but
most of them all report feeling like somebody grabbing the
crotch of their their pants.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Or maybe the guards are running like a process ring
or something out of the you know, female part.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Of the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Back then.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
But it was really interesting because they had what was
called the Universal cell Block, and I just assumed that
was universal, you know, like meaning there was there was
no there was no discormination between you know who who
went in there. It was, you know, just everybody would
go into the cell block, but no Universal cell block

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was Universal Pictures came in and they created the the
cell block that was filmed for the movie that Johnny
Depp played Dillinger, because Dillinger was held at that at
that prison for about I forget it was just two
or three weeks before he moved out, uh to another place.

(01:21:53):
So they came in, they they just I mean it
was beautiful. I mean, but all of the cells were
built out of wood. It all looked it was painted
to look like steel doors and everything, but it was
all wood. So the Universal Cell Block was because it
was Universal Universal Studios who had done the work there.
But you know, I get rabbit hole squirrel, So I

(01:22:23):
guess what I'm getting at is like when you go
into a haunted house and you hear a knock, a
wood knock knocking, on a wooden panel or a wooden
door or whatever it is. But then you talk to
people who have experiences out in the woods and they
hear what they say is a wood knock. Right. But yet,

(01:22:46):
I'm sure you will agree that it is extremely difficult
for a person to grab a limb or a twig
or a stick in the woods and whack a tree
with it and have it come out sounding like what
a tree knock sounds like. Because when you hear a

(01:23:07):
tree knock in the truest sense, it sounds like a
very hard wood and it has a very distinctive sound
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
The very best thing that I've used, well, two of
the best, just like a piece from a court of firewood,
just a real thick triangular cut that works. And then
a louis Ville slugger phenomenal exactly for really carrying that
pitch right to the forest.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Right. So, how many people have you heard talking about
experiences in the woods where they see orbs?

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Actually a lot more than you might think, a lot lot,
even in bigfoot phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Quite often.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Then
you go to what we were talking about earlier, in
the show Extraterrestrials, Ultraterrestrials, UFOs, uyps, whatever the hell you
want to call it. Balls of light often associated with
that strange mechanical sounds in the woods. A lot of

(01:24:09):
people who have had bigfoot experiences have reported hearing the
sounds of door closing, you know, like car doors closing,
or mechanical sounding, metal type sounding noises that have no
place in the area that they're at, also in UFO experiences.
So all this to say that knocks and orbs and

(01:24:34):
mechanical sounds and all that stuff seem to permeate all
of these different types of experiences. And my thought is,
rather than I don't think anybody's ever going to capture
a picture of a bigfoot with a big, big long
stick in his hand swinging away at a at a

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tree making a wood knock, I don't think it's ever
going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
And so what knocking goes back to ancient pagan times though,
I mean, it was believed when you would knock on
the tree in a sequence of three, that was how
you communicated with the tree spirits. And I think that
that practice just carried on up through the field of
Sasquatch research all the way on up to Knox to
three in the house. I think it's just you know,

(01:25:22):
hundreds and hundreds of years of just stuff being inherited possible.
But I think that's Bigfoot doesn't really knock. I think
their tongue pops and knocking on the tree is the
closest thing that we can get to replicate that sound.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
And I would suggest that maybe those sounds, since they
happen in multiple different types of experiences, might be a
peripheral effect of those things coming into our ability to
perceive them.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Like a static type pop or something like that. Maybe
nice like a boom I'm here, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Yeah, I mean it's a theory.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Maybe that's what the portal is, just a you know,
a bigger pop.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Yeah, wouldn't you? Yeah, excuse me? When you saw the portal?
Was there any was there any noise to it? Was
there any sizzling sound that accompanying it, or static e
anything that you remember?

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Here's the now here's the thing. When I had discovered it,
my camera was on full zoom. This thing had to
have been four hundred five hundred meters, if not maybe
a little less. Wait for me, okay, yeah, and I'm
on full zoom and it's late at night, it's still huge.
I can't imagine the dimensions of this had I been

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lucky enough to be up close to see. So I
would imagine, because I've heard people who've had portal experiences
there's like a hum or, kind of like a shake
or a static cling in the air.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I would assume that when be very much the same.
But again, I'm looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
This thing from you know, a quarter of a mile
or plus away, and it's still huge, like it had
to have been a massive doorway. Like I said, you'll
be able to analyze it when I send it to you.
And I think you're.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Probably not going to get any sleep tonight when you
decide to take a peek down this side.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
I hope, I hope. That's why I hope I do
get some sleep, because I got a full day of
work ahead of me tomorrow. No sleep, no sleep's gonna suck.
But I do want to see.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
It, absolutely, man, I'd be happy to share it with you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Maybe maybe you can, you know, send it to the
proper authorities or whoever can maybe get some good eyes
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Yeah, So other significant experiences.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Now you've heard of them cloaking, you know, much kind
of like the Predator films I have. You've heard the
theories of them cloaking. Well, I'm not saying I saw
the cloaking, but there's a certain part of the area
that things just feel different, like you know, that's a
high xtivity area. And I'm coming around the corner and
this again, this was just another hike day. I wasn't

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anticipating anything. I've been hiking this place since before I
knew there was big foot activity back there. And I
turned the corner and all of a sudden, something moves
at a speed that I couldn't tell you how fast.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
And there's just leaves. It's early fall. There's just leaves everywhere.
And I look over.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
It's like freaking the Tasmanian Devil from Looney Tunes came
through and I look over and there's nothing but where
It was almost like the flash just ran past me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
And then it's over here to my left. It does
it again.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
I'm like, okay, you're out here, fine, let me thanks you,
let me finish my walk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
I'll go home after that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
And that was one of the coolest experiences. But I
believe they know when they're being watched. So if you sometimes,
like when I'm with my buddy and we're talking, we'll
hear something. I think they kind of time it where
they know, oh, we're being watched. Okay, I'm feeling photogenet today.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
I'll show up or not, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
What I mean. I think that's how they are their
moody bigfoots moody.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Have you ever had a really good class a eyes
on sighting of one in its natural form?

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Honestly, I want to say yes, but most of them
are after the fact when I'm going over the video
that I had no idea that I was, you know, twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Five thirty feet from a bigfoot. I'll send you that
video too.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
It's me walking parallel to the tree line and you'll
just see it turn into form this big, haunched over
eight foot tall, hairy looking figure. I'll send you that
one as well. Okay, And again, you feel free to
do what you want with them. I'm just happy that
somebody that actually gives a shit about this kind of
stuff too can appreciate it and at very least, you know,

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be as astounded as I am.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Yeah, anything else you want to cover before we get
out of here. You have a Facebook page or a website,
or a group name or anything that you want the
listeners to be able to contact you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Or absolutely you can look me up on my Facebook
page just you know, Scott Brush. Or you can also,
you know, join my bigfoot group on my Facebook page
Urban Bigfoot. I'm really trying to push it out there
that these things are not just two.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Hundred miles unto the wilderness.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
They are in your own backyard quite literally.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
That I can attest to you that I have, I
can attest to that you are. You are absolutely correct,
because there is There's a gentleman who was He appeared
in my episodes two and three. I split it into
a two part show. He had an experience on opening

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day about ten years ago at a public public hunting
solo land and the entire the entire season was the

(01:31:09):
pre hunting season was filled with a bunch of weirdness.
Then an opening day, he and his dad, his brother
in law, and a cousin they had one walk out
in front of him at at about by forty in
the morning. Then he ends up having experience along with

(01:31:35):
his two daughters, having experiences at their home, which was
by car probably forty miles away from the hunting the
hunting land, but it coincided very close time proximity to
his his initial sighting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
They follow you home, especially if there's something about you,
you know what I mean. It's that's why I say,
don't feed them. Do not feed them, because the second
you stop, it's going to get aggressive.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
And his his home is on the very are outskirts
of a you know, a decent sized town. From his house,
when the leaves are off the tree, you can see
the back of the city courthouse. So when they're literally

(01:32:29):
in your backyard, yeah, I agree they are. They are
much closer than what I think. And many people will accept.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
I mean like we're moving too fast and we need
to slow things down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
With bag foot in your backyard for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Yeah. And I don't know what the component to that is,
you know, Is it because we are encroaching so much
on their h on where they are able to reside unseen?
Or are is there is there and growing? Do they
they want to know more about us?

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Or are they We're probably like why are we eating
tide pods? You know what I mean? Maybe that's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Asking us.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Thank God that that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Yeah, I think Bigfoot's just as curious about us. You know,
we're like, what do you guys do? And they're like, well,
what the hell are you doing? So I think it's
kind of like a mutual curiosity.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Well, it sure seems that there's some curiosity, because when
you hear enough reports of people who have them peering
in the windows, you know, and leaving handprints on the
side of their their their windows and their cars and
stuff like that, I mean, they don't seem and and
I guess, by rights, why would they be scared of us?

(01:33:50):
I mean, other than if we have a weapon, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
I mean I get that. It's it's you know, I
think that they're just like they're just like we are.
You know. Let's say let's say I'm Bigfoot down in
San Diego chilling on the beach. Life's pretty good. I
really don't have to struggle too much for my food.
If I'm going up in the northern Alaska, I'm going
to be a bit more territorial and a bit more
grumpy because I don't have that kind of luxury. So

(01:34:22):
I think that Bigfoot's mood and behavior is geographically related.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Now. I heard with the with the the number of
hurricanes that hit down in Florida, I heard that there
were a number of a very significant rise in skunk
ape sightings just after the just after the hurricanes hit.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
See the skunk ape. This is where, you know, it
gets different from me, you know, nearly thirty years of
researching the subject, and this one's like, I think maybe
now some of them are interdimensional, some of them are.
The Skunkgate hasn't really I mean not that I've read
any really out there stuff. When there's been a sighting,

(01:35:16):
it's just been somebody's out you know, fishing or hunting
or whatever. There it is or it's in there. Like
the Mayaca Skunkgate photo. I think that's authentic, and I
think that's probably one of the best most personal photos
there's ever going to be right of that creature because
there's that's you know, it didn't look like an orangutang.
There's way too large and hairy and more like bigfoot looking.

(01:35:37):
So I think that maybe that could just be an
ape in that area. Maybe they're not all gifted, maybe
like the leaders have the powers, and maybe there's still
some you know, lieutenants and soldiers.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
There could be a hierarchy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Who knows, well, if you would have.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
To think, you would have to think just like the
human race that the gene pools have have been there's
been segments of their popular that we're able to maintain
a strong gene pool. There's probably segments of their population
that have pissed out their gene pool to the point
where there's you know, you know, like maybe I have

(01:36:15):
to be careful how I say this, but like some
out there that are somewhat challenged yea, as opposed to others.
It always strikes me that the the reports that you
get from the West coast, you know, the Seattle area
of the Portland area, or the Oregon area Washington, they

(01:36:37):
always seem to be a lot larger, lots more stout.
It seems to have a bit more of a a
thicker coat of hair. They seem to reports from out
that way seem to be a little bit more of
the the aggressive, more tree hugger type. You know, we

(01:37:04):
love the earth where the guardians of the woods, where
the peacemaker. But then you know, Ohio is noted for
you know, the Ohio grassman is typically more aggressive and
not so friendly, you know, and then you get down
into Florida where it's hot, humid, it's sticky, it's you know,

(01:37:26):
they have less hair, more skin showing through their they're
crotchety as hell. They're not. They're always seemed to be
have a bad attitude, you know, which if you were
living in that kind of climate, I guess you would.
I don't know. It just seems to be so many

(01:37:47):
different personality types and so many different.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
You look at the port lotty port lock. I've gone
over it. It's so many times it's like, why was
he so pissed? But then again, like the natives also
said he was cursed. This wasn't like a normal bigfoot.
This was like some sort of skin.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Walker, kerse shaman type bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Like it wasn't you know, your standard sort of typical
sasquatch encounter where it just kind of looks at you
and walks away. This thing apparently killed tons of people
on livestock. So it's fascinating, like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
You know, this this guy has a family in his
backyard and they're on a you know, hugging basis. This
one's over here completely decimating villages. Yeah, it's you know,
like it just makes you think that primitive behavior, but
it's still so intelligent.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
And hmm. I think a lot of the the Native
American lore about these things, the First Nations people, their
stories always strike me with a chord of truth, you know,
and and their stories of interactions with these things back

(01:39:03):
back in the day, and when they would trade with them,
and there was there was regular contact between them, the
accounts of I forget what the chief's name was, but
when the smallpox was running rampant, and and the Sasquatch
came out of the woods and went up to the

(01:39:24):
chief and presented their child with smallpox, and you know,
we're obviously obviously hoping that the Native Americans we were
able to help help them and get get their child healthy.
And then the chief had the women bring their children

(01:39:44):
out of the out of the longhouse to show them
that theirs had the smallpox as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
You know, those things I mean, I think, Yeah, I
think our relationship got fucked up with Bigfoot after after
we invaded and killed the you know, killed the Native Americans. Yeah,
Bigfoot got pissed. We were walking hand in hand with them, trading,
being buddies we come in fuck everything up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Surprise, surprise, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
And there's you know, I think that's why some of
us are lucky, because I think they can read who
we are. That's a good human being. They're you know,
they got good morals, They got to peer hard. Okay,
you're not going to fuck anything up. Sure, I'll let
you see me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Well, it's it's I don't know that it would be
any dissimilar to you know, a dog or a cat
who can recognize that somebody is of good heart. And
then you get a you get a dog, you know.
I mean, I've never met a dog in my life
that has not been just happy to see me, you know.

(01:40:52):
But I've known people that they get around a dog,
and the dog they don't want anything to do with them,
you know. And yeah, I know the people, but I
don't necessarily think they're the greatest person in the world.
Who wasn't somebody that I would invite into my house
on a regular basis or you know, tend to hang
around with. And and then you see how dogs react

(01:41:14):
to that person, and it's like they know something, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
So there's spiritual watchdogs too, not just physical ones.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Yeah, but yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Mean, man, I definitely appreciate. I know you probably need
to start wrapping it up. I'm guessing we went out.
We didn't down the UFO hole.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
We did.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
We did you show another time too, if you wanted to, because.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
We can even do UFOs because I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
I don't got a lot of people that can blab
to this kind of stuff about before.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
They're like, Scott, shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
It's cool because it's it's a way to you know,
no discriminatory platform has let it flow.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
There's you're gonna feed your big foots. Don't stop, You're
gonna get pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Keep it up. Yeah, I would. I would suggests that. Yeah.
You know, I was talking to a guy last night
and uh he he does his his research is you know,
putting out little trinkets and and wicker things that have
you know, marbles inside of them, and you know, placing

(01:42:21):
things and then coming back to the same area and
finding days later that they've been moved or that they've
been taken taken out of something and then then lined
up perfectly in a straight line on a on another
piece of wood or log.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Like a gifting area or something where in exchange happens, and.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
He through the conversation, I noticed that he wasn't necessarily
thinking about it in the aspect of gifting. He was.
That was his That was his way of reconciling that
I'm I'm doing some research, you know, I'm I'm doing
this and I'm getting a response. I can do it
again and I'll get a different response, but still a response.

(01:43:04):
So you know, he's looking at his research, and I
was I wanted to caution him that, you know, the
way they may be looking at it maybe different. They
may be looking at it as you are gifting them something.
And you know, if there's if there's any truth to
your belief that that these things are of Nephelin bloodline

(01:43:26):
and they may not be necessarily good.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
I don't think if the blood line gets watered down,
you know, kind of like your seventh and eighth cousin,
obviously it's not as strong. Maybe it gets weaker on
down the line.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Yeah, you know, I've heard people talk about these things
being empty vessels and and you know, being inhabited by
demons and and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Like that's too far even for my weird.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Come on, let's give me a break here, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
I mean, I'm willing to I'm willing to go there,
but I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
To stay there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Yeah, you know, I like to stick around correlations that
I can understand, like why they'd be connected. But you know,
that's you know what I mean, that's apples and oranges
right there. I can't that's that's a separate topic.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Yeah, it's a very separate topic. It's something that I
just I don't. I told you earlier. I have my
belief in God or or the I have a I
have a belief in a creator, and whether that is
God as what we have been presented with the information
that we've been told, or whether God is a extraterrestrial

(01:44:40):
or an all knowing force like in Star Wars, or
you know, whatever it is. I mean, I recognize it
and I acknowledge that it exists, but I don't know
what the hell it is. You know. Yeah, interesting, interesting
Conversationppreciate you taking the time coming.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
Absolutely, I wasn't coughing at all.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
And now I'm because you're coughing. What's that?

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
How's your back? By the way, I know you had
a little slipping on the ice last week.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
I'm good. It was all I you know, I mean,
like anything, you go down a rabbit hole of you know,
YouTube videos and reading, try to find what's the best
kind of stretching to do for a sciatic nerve, and
uh man.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
I reformist, preiformist stretches what you want.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
Well, when I came to it, and I found this
this guy, and he continued to talk about the preformius
preformans preformance and basically, you lay down on your back
and you screwed up to a wall and put your
legs on the wall like you were at an almost
like you were sitting on a chair, you know. So

(01:45:53):
your knees are bent at ninety degrees, your feet around
the wall, and your back is on the floor. And
then you take the leg that's being a ef fect
and you stretch it out. And all you do is
take your feet and you pull them back towards you,
and then you stretch it forward. You pull it towards
you stretch it to.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
My back feels better. Just thinking of.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Two and a half days. I could hardly walk. In
two and a half days. It was gone. I was like, man,
this guy is a miracle worker.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
There's a tune on Instagram if you don't follow him,
James more wellness. He's got all these different positions you
can get into to stretch and maybe even get a
pope stuff like that. How to use like a broom
handled aug loosen your hips up and help your little
back pain.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
I'm all for the chiropractic.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
I believe if you keep the spinal fluid going, the
body stays happy and healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Yeah. That was that was. That was brutal because the
days that it was it affected me at work. I
mean I felt like I was absolutely crippled. But thankfully,
what kind of work do you do, if I might ask,
I work for a printing company. I've been a printing
press operator for the last thirty five years, thirty six.

(01:47:01):
Yeah all right, my friend, Scott, it's been great talking
to you. I got a feeling we're gonna be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
This again, so absolutely, I would love to. I look
forward to it. I look forward to watching this and
see how foolish I look it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Yeah, you did fine, you did fine, ladies and gentlemen.
I hope you enjoyed this episode. Scott brush he is again.
You can join his group. What was it called on
Facebook Urban Bigfoot, Urban Bigfoot Scott, thank you so much.
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
You too, Man, I appreciate the opportunity you can't wait
to do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
Have a good night.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Thank you you too, man

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