Hairy Man In The Huron Manistee Rewind ep79

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The link for that is in the notes below. We're
going to ask you for a little bit of patience.
We've got a lot of things going on this week.
I'm taking the week off of work. We're going to
be doing some moving and getting things straightened around. So

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we will be back maybe a week, maybe a little
bit longer. But fear not, I've got a great episode
lined up for you. It is a throwback to episode
seventy nine, and that was entitled Hairy Man in the
Here on Manistee. So go ahead and enjoy this one

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and we will talk to you very soon.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Hello, Eric, good talking to you. Good. Yeah, I h
We've had a good conversation already. I'm interested to be
on the show. I guess I have some things to share.
I've lived in Michigan most of my life. I spend
much of my time in the north Woods. I have

(02:30):
a beautiful place up in the here On National Forests
on the eastern side of the Lower Peninsula.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Beautiful area, beautiful area.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
It's wild. Very few good restaurants to be found, but
there's a lot of wilderness, a lot of country and
beautiful rivers and lakes, and I love the wilderness. I
spend a lot of my time out in the wilderness
and usually looking for or the remnants of the logging

(03:03):
industry in Michigan. I'm a historian. I'm that subject. I
supply a lot of things to the local museums that
I discover and find, always looking for artifacts from that time,
but I'll come across other things too, and that's also
of interest to me. I've been running through the woods

(03:27):
my whole life. I've seen big footprints my whole life.
I've heard talking and sounds and howls and whistles and
wood knocks, but I didn't really give it much thought.
Whenever I caught a glimpse of the thing making the noise,

(03:49):
it seemed to be moving way too fast for me
to catch it, so I just kind of let it go.
And then maybe a couple of years ago, in April,
I was maybe on a spot I shouldn't have been in,
and I got chased out. They had a family in
this area, A big, a big, dark haired fella who

(04:13):
had a lot to say. Drove me out of that place,
and I wasn't quite sure if I was going to
get out without him getting me.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
What can you be a little more Can you be
a little more descriptive as far as what you were
encountering encountering.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
With his prod? Yeah, I was. I was really looking
for something that didn't have to do with bigfoot, and
I had. It was in April, early April twenty twenty
and and I've seen the footprints all my life. Things
I pick up from them, I got hair samples and
all kinds of crazy stuff. But I was going into

(04:59):
this part of the swamp, a thicket that really it's
hard to walk in. Nobody goes in there, and it
was it'd been real cold at night, maybe in the twenties,
and back where I started, four miles away, there were
some like adolescent Bigfoot tracks in the mud, like, yeah,

(05:22):
that's bigfront. No kid is playing in twenty eight degree
mud at night. Yeah. So I'm just going about my
business and I step on the bank of this beaver pond.
It's the only thing you could walk on back there,
and I'm just trying to get through this hard scravel
and I look down and I see that kids track

(05:45):
right in front of me, and it's fresh oh, oh no,
I'm oh, you know, I knew they. I know they
live in this area. I never really go by myself.
I was just totally not thinking, and in about two
minutes from across this really small beaver pond, there's a big,

(06:08):
dark haired fella standing behind a cedar tree making some
loud screams. I'm like, oh, that's that must be the
Daddy or the Sentinel or something. I have got to
get out of here. Can you on the back of
my neck stood up.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
And can you can you take a guess as to
the size of the track that you had been looking at.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I did measure it. I took pictures of it before.
It's a It was just a twelve inch long track
bufaloef inches wide. It was a it was a kid. Yeah.
The big the bigger ones or the tracks are more
like fourteen inches or eighteen inches. I guarantee the one
that was yellowing at me probably had an eighteen inch track.

(06:57):
So he got his message across to me. And I
had to go down this beaver pond edge along the
top of it because I couldn't get into the woods
anywhere else. It was such a thicket and I'm sure
that really got him because then I wasn't going away
from him. I was kind of going along next to him.

(07:18):
But when I got to the point where I could
get off the beaver pond rim and I went into
the thicket. The trease girl about six inches apart, you
can barely get through. And he was behind me, and
I thought, well, you know, I'm just gonna walk like
a predator. Predator always walked straight to what they want.

(07:40):
I want him to know I'm a predator. I'm not
a prey animal. I'm not gonna zig zag through this stuff,
and I'm going to head in this dis direction. I
chose to get to a river, and it's early April,
and I thought, you know, I'm gonna have to get
in that river. I cannot be in this thicket with
this guy. He got me, and he can he can

(08:02):
go They go fast, and he could be right on me.
I did have a side arm, but I never drew it.
I didn't think I had had time to fire at him.
It was so thick. And if I did, I get
two shots or something, I needed more for this guy,
and I don't I don't really like pulling guns on,
you know, two legged critters. He looked like a person.

(08:24):
So I just kept moving and I got to the
river and I was going to jump in. The water
must be about forty eight degrees or forty five degrees,
but it would give me some space. But I did'n
have to do that. I kind of just went along
the edge, and I was pretty conscious of the fact
that there was someone behind me. And it took me

(08:48):
a couple hours to get out of there, and I'm
sure about half of the time that fellow was behind me.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah. Can you can you guess how far of a
girth he was giving you?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Probably in the thickets, he probably gave me about one
hundred feet. But when I got kind of more to
the clearing, I think he knew I was gone. I
wasn't gonna mess with him, So I think that's I
think they're usually afraid of us, but in that instance
he was. He was quite upset with me, so his
fear diminished in his anger just came up and he Yeah,

(09:27):
So I had to like think differently about these these
fellows that live in the woods and be a little
more careful.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Well, if you don't mind, If you don't mind, it
sounds like you you had a relatively uh clear, eyeshot
at at this this big guy? Can you can you
go into some of the descriptions of of what you saw.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
He was just big and you know, maybe seven and
a half feet tall, maybe a little bit taller. I'd
seen him before. I did see him later after that,
but he wasn't chasing me. He wasn't chasing me.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
You saw him again at another time, Is that what
you're saying?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, I did. I saw him again about a year later,
but he wasn't after me. But he he was you know,
the pretty, pretty hairy dark This one had dark hair.
I don't know all that dark hair. He was broad
and he you know, maybe he maybe he kind of
thought I had a gun. I don't know, because he

(10:33):
didn't really jump out from behind the tree right away,
not until I got going. He he got going, and
he did keep like one hundred feet distance between us.
Were you able maybe he's followed me before?

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Were you able to get a good look at at
the facial area?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Pretty hairy face, pretty hairy. I only looked for a
second because I really I kind of knew, I knew
what he was and who he was, and it was
time was of.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
The essence and and there's something that you know and
I've I've leaned this from from talking to other people
who have had pretty up close encounters. There seems to
be a natural reaction in the human body, which is
to avoid making eye contact with them for too.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Great I have before. I made eye contact with him
before at other times, but not I didn't really have time.
I saw where he was. I saw him. It's like,
I'm gone. Just his howls were fantastic, just went right
through you, like man, they've got lung capacity, and yeah,

(11:57):
that's I've yeah, I I was out of there and
I was okay. But I didn't think about him the
same after that until you have an experience.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
You know, what color of skin did he have?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
He just was dark. It was dark. It wasn't a
sunny day in April. It was a very overcast. It
was real dark, and so.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
A lot of shadows at play.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, a lot of shadows. It was real thick and
brush you back. I could see her right when I
heard that howl. I looked at I saw where it
came from, came from him stand by at the edge
of a seizure tree. So I recently went back out
there after two years, I didn't go out there and

(12:44):
I took I took my brother with me, and I
looked that spot over and like, I still don't feel
good out there. I still feel like, Okay, I pushed it.
I should have been more observant.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Do you think that's there? Do you think that's a
resid from from your last experience with it, or do
you think that that's something that's permeating that area because
there's they're still aware of your presence there and are
kind of letting you know that they know you're there.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, I think I think that time they had moved
out of the area. There's a couple of things that
they don't like. One of them is like me going
in to the area or me taking people in there.
They don't like that. And then there was some timber
operations up on a ridge about a mile away, and

(13:37):
when that happens, they move. They have a lot of choices.
They don't have to stay in an area with that.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Now, can we can we talk about a generalized area
of where this encounter happened.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, this kind of thing goes on along the
madisea Pine River, the Rifle River. This was the Assable River.
They show up in about late February early March to
the area and they leave in late December after rifle

(14:15):
season's over. They'll leave then. So I think they love
the climate. They love the water. They seem to be
in the water a lot from tracks I see going
down to the water at night. They like the temperature
the ground along these rivers along the Manistee or the

(14:37):
Pine or whatever river. Put your hand on it. That
grounds about fifty two degrees right along there from the springs.
So they really like it for that, and there's not
many bugs. So I think that's what attracts them to it.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Now you seem to indicate that you think that they
move in at a specific time of the year and
then they again move out. What what's brought you to
that conclusion? Just a lack of seeing their presence or
their other indications as well.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
It's kind of a lack of activity there. There will
be no the fresh tracks, they're gone, little bits of
deer that you would normally find are gone. There's just
nothing happening. But they you know, they're they're yeah. They
I think they go south if they use the power
lines or the rail railroad beads and the railroad lines,

(15:35):
and you know, if you ever saw one move, they
go real fast. I don't think it takes them long
to cover a big distance of land, great distance.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I should say, Yeah, that's that's something, because you know,
there's been there's been several videos out from I think
they're you know, like Utah, Montana and stuff like that
where people have videotaped. I think there's even one off
of one of the glaciers and in one of the

(16:08):
parts of Canada where somebody is you know, up on
a hill and looking out across the vastness and they
start videotaping and it's far enough where you know, their
zoom can't even really get to it. But whatever, this
solitary individual that seems to be moving across the the
plains or the glacier, whatever it may be, on two

(16:31):
legs covers an inordinate amount of ground very quickly and
and very fluidly.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, some people think they dig a hole in the
ground and live here in the winter. Nah, they can
cover so much ground in their routes of travel are
are well defined. They mark all these routes. I thought
that might just be something they you in the here
on National Forest. But then, uh, the summer I was

(17:05):
on like Michigan and southern Michigan, and sure enough they
mark they mark their trails there too.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
What do you what do you observe? What are you
observing that you're you're saying the trails are marked?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
They they they blaze the trail. They put a blaze
mark on it, on especially an electrical pole. They love
to mark electrical poles. And they use those electrical lines,
especially if there's nobody around, there's no houses or civilization.
They'll run those those lines for miles. They'll take them
where they need to go. But the marks they're from

(17:41):
an individual.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Now, what's a blaze? You're using the term blazing the trail?
So described for the audience, what that is?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well? The old, the old, the old saying I'm going
to blaze a trail. Well in for the settlers or
even the Indians, they would knock a mark into a
tree or break a limb. They leave a sign that
they were there, and then they would use it over
and over again. So were our local our local wood

(18:14):
apes use their fingernails. They're quite powerful. They can they
can tear a tree in half. They can tear an
electrical ball in half by making by using their fingernails,
so they leave those I've I told a few people
about it recently and they started looking around and saying,

(18:35):
sure enough, there's marks on on electrical poles.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Well, that's interesting. That's interesting. You say that because some
of the individuals that I was with at the West
Branch conference earlier this spring, they did a camp out afterwards.
I was not able to attend it, but in photographs
from from that camp out, they went and did some

(19:00):
investigations while they were in the area, and they had
sure enough, they had photographs of a telephone pole that
they that had some very distinctive gouges at a at
a height that would make you wonder how, how or
why anybody? Yeah, I would have been able to do.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
That, Yeah, yeah, and who would look at it? Really,
like six feet tall? Something makes a mark twelve feet tall.
It's not for us, Yeah, it's for them. So they
I see that when I travel through I see marks
on trees, marks poles. In my area. They like to

(19:47):
use a white rock. You'll find white rocks placed and
you know, you can kind of see them at night,
so they they really mark the trails. I think they're
social and go from one nest to another. So I
a nest. I just I say it's a nests. It's

(20:08):
not like a bird's nest. It's a big swath country
where they raise the young and the protective of it.
And they mark all that. And I think they marked
so the young ones can go play and find their
way back home. Something like that. I just know. I

(20:30):
see young bigfoot tracks all by themselves.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Now in your in your in your outings, in your uh,
while you're looking around for all this these different things,
are you Are you running into what a lot of
people consider to be structures, you know, tpe like things,
arched arched saplings, you know, rock pilings, anything like that.

(20:56):
Are you running into any of those?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, I'd run into trees. And they mean something. They
point to things, They point to geographical features. I see them,
and I go, I know where that's pointing. It's pointing
to a natural ford in the river so they can
cross the river. We're all getting real wet. You think
they just go barreling through the river. Not always when

(21:21):
it's cold out. They don't want to get that tat wet.
They cross bridges over creeks, they make bridges over creeks,
and yeah, they make bridges, and you wonder, like, uh,
who made that bridge, because I can't get across on
that bridge. But if you get on all fours, you
can go across on all fours. It's really hard to

(21:42):
do because we're not quite as strong as they are.
But they make them and they use them like man.
They just don't want to get mucky. Sort of funny.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
They have their little places I like to go and
I find bones I found. I find broken deer bones.
They suck They sucked the marrow out of the bone.
It's kind of a sign they're down there.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I got a question for you, and I may have
brought this up in another episode, but I had a
friend of mine whose parents owned a hunting hunting lodge
up in the western up and right about smack dab
in the middle of the western side of the Upper Peninsula.

(22:35):
Excuse me. He had We had gone fishing one day
and he said, hey, let's take a let's take a
drive out to my grandpa's old property. And there's something
cool I want to show you. So he took me
out there, and I don't know, it was maybe a
thirty five to forty minute drive or more. We were staying,

(22:57):
and we walked through, i know, a couple acres of
farmland and some wooded area. When we got back into
this this one patch that looked like it had been
farmed at one point but had not been had been

(23:18):
neglected for for several years, so you could still see
the the ninety degree angles from like where it would
have been farmed, but everything was growing up over it,
and there was there were swaths of trees that were running,
you know, like kind of separating the acreage. And he

(23:39):
said he was going to take me to the dying field.
And I was like, what the hell is a dying field?
And he said, you're not going to believe this when
you see it. He says, there's just a ton of
deer just they go there to die, and there's piles
of bones, and you know, I mean, at this point,
he knows that he been going there his whole life.

(24:01):
You know, he knows what goes on up there. And
I know up in the Upper Peninsula that the deer
populations have exploded to the point where a lot of
them die of malnutrition and they can't survive the winters
and stuff like that. But it was just a very
was you know, we got into this corner and it

(24:24):
was a very very strange, surreal sight. And it was
a pile of deer bones. Wow, lakes, rib cages, skulls,
and you know, I mean, this is a guess, but

(24:48):
you know, there had to be there had to be
damn near in the neighborhood, somewhere between fifty and seventy
maybe maybe not quite that many, but wow, you know,
and it just it was a very surreal looking thing.
And you know, the only thing that was in my
brain at the time was what he had told me,

(25:10):
that that the weak and the ill and the elderly
they come here and that this is where they they
just say, But I mean, that doesn't make sense to
me that they would just crawl up onto a pile
of bones and then die and then wither away and
and you know, become part of that. And I've for years,

(25:33):
you know, I'd never paid I never paid attention to
that at that time. I mean, I was still steeped
in bigfoot and stuff like that. But it wasn't something
that I was, you know, a cute to looking at
that that site that I was seeing. I was kind
of taken back just by the the sheer amount of

(25:54):
dead animal bones that were there. I wasn't looking to
see if anything looked like they had been snapped or
anything like that. I wasn't paying attention to it. I
was just trying to take it all in.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I don't even think at the time bigfoot never even
entered my mind as far as being impossible, uh, you know,
And it was just just a very surreal thing. And
you know, I've talked to other hunters and nobody's ever
really said that they've heard of, you know, deer doing
that going you know, to a common common ground to

(26:28):
uh just you know, pass away into you know. I mean,
I know animals when they're sick and you know, they
they know the end is near, they they tend to
go off on their own and you know, find themselves
someplace to to honker down and uh, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
You might have you might have to examine those bones
to see if the marrow has been sucked out.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Everything, you know, that was that was so many years ago,
and unfortunately, my buddy passed away some years back from cancer.
And I, you know, even if I even if I
could get into the area, of it. I don't know
that I can find it.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, I think. I think for my looking around and
taking some of their paths of years, they have marks
that they put in trees fifty years ago that are
still there. They use these areas over and over. They
it's like the generations go to the same spots. But

(27:31):
I did find a deer carcass two winters, two springs ago,
right when they moved back into the area kind of
above where they have nests up in the hills. It
was a stump and this is this is this is
late February, early March. There's nobody in the woods. There's

(27:53):
nobody hunting rabbits. There's nobody in the woods. Their GPS
doesn't work on their phone. They're not going out there.
So I'm hiking along. I've got probably a squirrel rifle
from eighteen fifty in my hand, you know, small caliber
squirrel rifle muzzle loader, the original old gun. And I

(28:16):
come up over this hill and in front of me
is a deer carcass. The rib cage, the spine going
up to where the head the head is, had skulls
on it. The legs are ripped off, but it's post
on a stump sitting on a stump post. I've never

(28:36):
seen that in my life. Some post, some things have
been sitting on the ground around it, breaking the leg
bones up, and I just ate every bit of it
I had. I've never seen a person didn't do it.
The ground was still kind of frozen, there was snow

(28:56):
on the ground, There were no there was a spot
spotty pets the snow. I didn't see any real tax
from like recent but something was in there, something sitting
on the ground and smashed all the snow down. But
I didn't, you know, I didn't even know what to
think about that.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
You know, like when you see something like that, you know,
obviously this is just your impression or an interpretation of
what you're seeing. But when you see something like that,
is it your impression that that that deer would have
been dispatched by a single individual? Is that is that?

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Ah? You know?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Is that a place where it sits down and and
you know, throughout the course of a day or throughout
the course of a day or two days, eats the
entire thing and moves on, Or when there's a kill
like that, does does the does the family unit move
in and and.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
It looked like it. It looked like they've been around it.
All that all that was all padded down around. I
didn't see. I didn't see one good for a print.
Probably happened a couple of weeks before I got there,
But it looked like a whole bunch of them sat
there and ate it, like maybe the family that lives
down the hill did that. But it was really kind

(30:10):
of a symbol. It was like it was posed. It
was probably not meant for me. It was meant for
the rest of the family coming up or something. You know,
we don't read there, We don't read their stuff, right,
we don't see it, right, I mean, it's just not
our language.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well you know that that when you when you say that,
that kind of takes me to you know, when when
people have a hog roast, a lot of times the
way the hog is laid out with the head displayed
and you know, I mean with an apple in it
or you know, oh yeah, I mean that's that almost

(30:50):
kind of makes sense that you know it would be
you know, because you know, for for anyone who's a hunter,
you know, there's there's the the exhaustive amount of effort
that goes into tracking something and and the patience that
it takes to eventually get in the right position and

(31:11):
dispatch that creature so that they can so that they
can harvest it. And you know, with many hunters that
I know, you know, there's there's a there's a moment
there that that they take and they thank the creator
and they you know, they thank the Mother Earth for

(31:31):
providing what she's given them. And I almost wonder if that,
like what you walked up on, is that a.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
A gift to the Great God Manitoba. I don't know,
Like the like the Indians of the Algonquins speaking people
that were here, maybe the same, I don't know. Maybe
they maybe they have a little left, a little Algonquin
they speak, or something like that.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Now you've said you've heard you've heard voices, right.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I've heard some crazy voices. Yeah, I have. I have
friends that hear them better than I do. They live
in a spot where they their house is up above
an area where they live, and they can hear them
at night going on and on. They say it sounds
like Japanese, and sometimes they even laugh like, oh, that's crazy.

(32:27):
I've never heard that. I've never heard him laugh. I've
heard I've heard some talking, and I've heard some howl
some hoots or like a whistle, so it's not a
whistle they're just doing. It's not really a whistle. And
then I've heard the deep howls and I've heard them

(32:47):
in a pack of coyotes starting the pack to howling.
And that's another thing that's very odd about our our
local bigfoot is that they have a symbionic relationship with
coyotes and crows. So sometimes when you hear a crow,

(33:10):
it's calling out a warning. I think there's a connection.
I think, I mean, I think hunters would tell you
that when a crow finds a deer in the woods
that's dying, it calls that out because the crow can't

(33:30):
eat the deer, but they can eat the deer, and
they the crow calls the coyotes, and they might come
from five miles away and they'll find that deer. The
crow will lead them to it, and it's it is
a symbionic relationship. Crow gets to pick up the pieces

(33:51):
I found parts of deer dragged around by coyotes way
off in the woods, and you know, the coyote didn't
break the leg and a half, but it's gotten a
leg that's broken in half. Somehow it got it somehow.
It's you know, it's kind of part of the biosphere

(34:14):
pyramid here. So I've been hunting coyote and I've had
coyote packs come up to me at dark, but not
I'm not sure they're really coyotes. Maybe there's two coyotes
and one of the hairy guys just having some fun
with me. So I'm not I can't say that's exactly

(34:35):
what it is, but it's something quite strange.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Do you think it's a Do you think it's more
of a natural, like you said, symbiotic relationship, or do
you think that in some way that the sabe may
have found a way to somewhat domesticate the coyote.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Maybe maybe through just feeding feeding them. You know, an
Indian would in the spring climb up in a tree
where there was a crow's nest, get one of the
baby crows, take the crow back to their camp, feed
the crow, and the crow stayed with them for the
rest of their life. The crow never left them, It

(35:20):
never just flew away. You know. It's just I think
it's something like that. It's just something to be aware of. Now.
I don't know if they're like this all over the country,
but in my neck of the woods, the crow is
telling you something interesting. It is I don't know how

(35:42):
anybody would prove any of that stuff, but it's just observation.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well, and I think that's what I think. That's one
of the great values of interviews like this are is
that you know, if you listen to enough of them,
there are definitely patterns that form. You see a lot
of similarities on a lot of people's experiences. But then

(36:09):
you hear and you pick up these little, odd, one
off type things and you'll be like, well, that's the
first time I've ever heard that, And then a year
goes by and somebody brings it up again. Point the
point I'm getting at is I've had two interviews now

(36:32):
completely unrelated. They didn't know each other, different areas of
the state, and they broth. Both of them brought up garlic,
wild garlic. Yeah, and you know, it's it's not something
you hear of often, but when you start hearing things

(36:53):
repeat themselves, it kind of I start putting them in
a file folder in back of my brain. Yeah, and
you know, you start drawing on that.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Mm hmmm. I bet that the you know Jibwei Indians
were here today. They probably have some interesting things to
tell us.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I think they kind of knew all whatever, knew a
lot about the subject. Maybe they were maybe they were
fearful of them. Maybe God, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
But now you referenced them as the wood ape.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I think by me they say woody or jet pine gorilla.
They have different names.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
But I guess what I'm getting at by your using
that as a reference. Are you are you more in
in the camp that these are a a primate animal?
Or are you are you more inclined to think that
these things are something close or related to having uh

(38:00):
human characteristics?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
All right, Well, I have two different ideas about it.
When I when I see them, when I see about
three a year, if I see them on all fours,
I just think they're a skinny bear and they're running around.
They go real fast, and I don't think much of it.
They look kind of goofy uh, they don't. I don't

(38:24):
know there's something that really they I mean, I'm interested,
But when they're on their hinds, they look like people.
To me. That's when they get me. They just my
you know, the hair on the back of my neck
doesn't stand up when they're on all fours running along,
But when they're when they're standing up, that just does

(38:44):
something to me. I don't know, something archaeotypical in our
in our past, something, but I think they're more you
know they you know, it goes back to me saying
they have trails that they blaze. And when I'm in
the woods, I want to go, like to some lake
five miles away, and I think how I'm going to

(39:07):
do it. I can't. I see that in my mind.
You know, it's like a spatial image of the land
and the creeks and the hills, and I pick a
path that is, you know, the easiest path to get there.
I don't have to climb so many hills. I can
go through this valley. I don't have to go through
the swamp. I go around it. And you know what,

(39:27):
when I when I'm doing something like that, they've They've
done the same path. They do it the same way
I go. I've seen things that they do along the way,
And they must have that spatial ability that we have
to visualize the landscape and make these decisions, because it's

(39:49):
the way they go is the smartest way to.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Go, and that in itself, that in itself would would
draw a correlation that there is they're learning that from
a very young age through communication and experience. They're traveling

(40:12):
with the adults, they're learning the lay of the land,
They're hearing from others. They're learning.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
And if they get confused, they just need to look
for the signs. Look for a white rock, a bent tree,
a structure, something that they put on the ground. They all,
I don't know what those mean, but they know when
they learn at them.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Have you ever challenged yourself while you were out there
as far as being able to see just how far
you could follow their sign?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I think you could follow it all the way down
Georgia if you wanted to. I think you could follow
it all. I mean, they they really link up to
power lines and railroad beds, even even old railroad beds
that aren't used anymore, they still use those. I think
it's I don't know the elders, if there's such a thing,

(41:09):
and that in that culture, the elders must kind of
map the map the ways that the younger ones will travel.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
And my guess would be that would be through oral tradition.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
It must be. It must be. They they have beautiful voices.
They mimic the sounds of a of a Saint Bernard,
or an owl that sounds like a chicken after you
hear it for a while, or there's some crazy dog sounds.
There's crazy sounds. They're really good at it. So I think, yeah,

(41:47):
I think they've got something going on. I don't know
if there's any aliens involved, but uh, they certainly do
like to eat and run around and stay comfortable.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
So tell us about some other experiences you've had.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Well, I was just thinking about this experience I had
last summer. I was stand in the middle of the
road looking. I'm looking down the road about a hundred
yards and this bear comes out and I'm looking at
this bear, and this bear is looking at me, and
I'm looking at the spears man. This bear isn't gonna

(42:30):
make it. It's June. It looks horrible. It's not shiny
like a bear is usually. It's got no stomach. It's
just skinny as can be in the stomach. But the legs,
all four legs are really strong, and it's looking at me.
I'm looking at it. I was looking at each other.

(42:50):
Then he goes across the road, goes off in the woods. Oh, sorry,
looking bear, you know, And then thinking, yeah, I see that,
see that sire looking bear every year. And then one
of my good friends a couple of weeks ago, is
driving down the road and this guy lived in Alaska

(43:12):
for years. Haunted bear and well bear were hunting him
and he had to shoot the bear because he lived
in a totally secluded, vast wilderness and he was a
he was seen as a getting in the way of
whatever the bear wanted to do. So he saw bear

(43:33):
come out about twenty feet away from him, came out
in the road, turned around when it saw him, and
ran back into the woods. And he said, you know,
that was the skinniest bear. I said, oh Jesus, that's ah,
that's not a bear, just not a bear. They helped

(43:55):
come out and go back in the woods. First of all,
they're not skinny, they're shiny, and they're fat. And it
was it was July. They're fat July. So you said,
you know where I saw it? Uh no, yes, right,
we're all the big foot across the road. Yep, not
a bear. I don't think it's a bear. It's that's

(44:16):
it's the skinny bears. So sometimes I think they pretend
not to be bigfoot, and I think a lot of
people have seen skinny bears.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Do you think do you think that they're pretending not
to be or or do you think that because you know,
in conversations with Robert Krider from down in New Mexico,
who who has some amazing UH experiences and and and
does an incredible job with his UH detailing his his

(44:49):
accounts of of the family groups that he has down
there in New Mexico, he seems to he seems to
think that they they they take to all fours because
it's easier for them to walk on the on the
sides of their feet and on the sides of the
palms of their hands, so that they're not leave it

(45:12):
a distinctive track.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, yeah, he's probably right about that. I think that
given our you know, the density of the forest. I
go to areas that if you were if you're four
foot tall, you'd be great in there. You can go
through everything. But if you're stailing up and you're six
feet tall, you got troubles. And I think they I

(45:36):
think they're on all fours, especially in that country.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Now in your first count. I'm sorry. The first count
you were talking about, you said the individual that was
across from you was was pretty sizable. Yeah, but then
you I think now twice you've spoke about these being
on the skinnier side. You know. Now you listen to

(45:59):
some other podcasts and you know some of these that
just specialize only in big foot stories, and everything's always
you know, seven and a half to eight foot tall,
six foot wide, four foot to six foot wide shoulders,
seven to eight hundred pounds, you know, built like a
linebacker for a protein. But I'm getting a different I'm

(46:21):
getting a different sense from from some of what you're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
This is what I This is what I think in
the difference. I think if they stood up, you don't
really have the size of them. Right when you see
them on all fours, you don't really get the size.
And they, you know, a bear on all fours, they're
barely almost touches the ground. Sometimes. Yes, you know these
guys are well, they're ripped. You know, they have they

(46:47):
have a muscular build, they got six pack abs. I
think if they I suppose if it stood up, it'd
be like seven foot tall. You know, man, that thing's huge.
Because they're are massive fucking when they're on all fours.
He just, man, the legs are big. I look the
front legs and the back legs are great looking. The head,

(47:10):
I don't know about the head. It doesn't look quite right,
but they they sure don't have a belly, but they
stood up. I thinking, oh my god, they're quite big,
quite large. But I did see one last summer that
was a little, tiny, skinny guy in the middle of
the day and he must have weighed about seventy pounds

(47:33):
and scared the heck right out of me.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Seventy pounds.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, just a kid, just a kid running through running
through the brush, just going somewhere in a hurry. Just
looked like he crossed them across the river and was
coming up the bank and he had places going. He
didn't even look at me, he was just going.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
You know, that strikes me that And I wanted to
ask you about this earlier, and I'm glad you brought
it up. The gentleman I interviewed from Jackson County had
had had several on his property for you know, and
upwards of thirty years. And he spoke about the young

(48:17):
ones and how very seldom that the young ones were seen,
and one of the things he said is he felt
that the the youth, the young ones, spend the majority
of their time arboreal in the trees. Have you come
across any any.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, I did. I came across one on a tree.
It was a young one. Uh, probably probably the same one.
Probably the same one. I was on the bank of
the beef pond with the track I came across, probably
that one. He was in a tree. He was about

(49:01):
one hundred yards away, and I never would have seen
him except when he saw me. He was up there
about twenty feet. He just came out of that tree
like he just sticks fell. He was. I terrified. The
poor guy or girl, I don't know what gender it was,
but it came out of that tree so fast, hit

(49:23):
the ground on all fours and it was gone, Oh yeah,
scared the heck out of me. It didn't maybe he
was up there just sleeping. But there was this there's
a great apple tree, and I was going to go
check this apple tree. Let's see when the apples were

(49:44):
going to get right. He was beyond it about one
hundred yards. I think he got all the apples, because
two days later there was not one apple a tree.
It's like, oh, man, opportunitists.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
With the ones that you've seen that you've you've encountered,
are they all pretty much the same color?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Are they all? No? No, they're not. The little kid
I saw, his face was hairy, a hairy face. He
was reddish. He was a reddish brown. So some are
reddish brown. Some are real dark. But I guess people
have seen them that were gray here, So yep, they're

(50:30):
but they're not shiny like bear, you know, much shine.
They're kind of nappy. And I do collect a lot
of hair samples. They when they leave their marks, they
leave hair, and I think they leave a scent, but
I can't smell it.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Now I realized having hair analyzed for the DNA and
everything is extremely expensive. So I would guess that with
any of your samples, you've not personally had anything. But
have you have you sent them to anybody else who
showed any interest in Impossibly, I give them.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I give hairs to people all the time. And then
a few people had looked at them in a microscope
and said reported back that oh, those are just human
human ears, like really crazy. They they never got a haircut,
because you know, the The hair was never cut by
a pair of scissors, just goes to a point. So

(51:31):
they they say, it just looks like human here, like
very cool. But they I did, you know, I had
one Something funny happened. I was kyo hunting, probably where
I shouldn't have been, but I was sitting up and
it was I don't know, February or mid March maybe,
and I'm sitting at the spot by a tree and

(51:55):
sat there maybe a couple of hours, and I got
up and left and going back there the next day.
It's about three miles hike. They go back there and
I look and the tree is all gouged up in
the ground where I was sitting, It's like something sat
there and rubbed all the grass down to nothing, and

(52:16):
there were hairs all over. I thought, man, it's like
they sended me. They smelled me, and they covered me
up with their scent. Know, It's like that's kind of
like a bear would do it something like that. But
I have samples of the marks they make. It's it's

(52:37):
not a bear claw. I have bear claws and my
collection of things.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
And would you be willing to share some some photographs
of some of the evidence you've collected, so I can. Yeah,
with the listeners, they'll do that.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I will send you have a lot of neat pictures
of things, and maybe by showing those pictures bole could
look for the kind of that stuff around them. Yes,
if if they have the same characteristics, traits kind of
interesting to.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Know, Yeah, it would be.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah. Like I said, I don't I don't know if
they make these marks all over the country, but in
the state of Michigan that seems like they make similar
marks in mark or trails the same way, so.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Well that there is some consistency with with some of
the things like structures and stuff like that, you know,
I mean, yes, you know, people can go out into
the woods and they can produce these things. But when
you see when you see one that has an organicness
to it, when you see a structure that a tepee

(53:48):
that has been put together with all of the branches
having the same twist or the same the same angle
of bend, and they're all lined up the same way,
nothing's nothing seems to be just haphazard about it.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
No, they're really They're really interesting. They are very organic
and I you know, there's a the artist, the sculptor
Martin Purrier. They remind me of something Martin Purrier would
have made from his studies in Sub Saharan Africa. They're
really just beautiful. And I have pictures of those and

(54:25):
I'll send some along.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah, that'd be great if we can share some of those.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah. They you don't know why they some of the
things that look like they're made by kids. You know,
it just looks like they're playing around.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Well, they're learning.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
They're learning.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
They're imitating the adults, just like we do when we're children.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah, yep, they do that. And I did find I
was maybe it's about two months ago or a month
ago something like that. I was. I was hiking in
an area where they're they're they're pretty pretty lot of activity,
I should say it has been for years in this area,

(55:06):
and I got I got zapped in this area one time.
I don't know if anybody believes that. It's my only
explanation for it, but kite. There was a there's a
there was a beaver pond and I it run out
of water. The water all dried up out of it.
It was real dry this spring and early summer. And
in the middle of the beaver cond there's Uh, it's

(55:31):
just like a little bump out there, beaver pomp pod
ip I only had about two feet of water in
it at the max, but the water was gone. Now
there's a stone tool laying in the pond like somebody
had thrown it in the pond, and it is settled
on this little bump on the bottom. And it doesn't

(55:53):
look old. It doesn't look like an Indian artifact. It
looks like an exaggerated Indian artifact. Looks like an Indian
scraper or a finger knife, something like that, only you know,
five times the size, very very rudimentary napping edges on it.

(56:14):
It wasn't made out of flint. It was made out
of some kind of rock. I thought, that is crazy.
That isn't doesn't make any sense to me. That why
I found this. You know, No, there's no people around.
They just there are no people there. There are just
wilderness with no roads, nothing like. That's just an interesting thing.

(56:37):
I wonder if they use tools. I know they throw
rocks because I've had rocks thrown at me, so maybe
they maybe they make something out of rocks.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
You know, That's been something that throughout the course of
the time I've been doing these interviews. I've been very well,
not even myself doing the interviews, but also listening to
you know, an inordinate amount of other shows that that
deal with people and their experiences and stuff, and and

(57:10):
the one well, two things actually that seem to be
lacking throughout a lot of encounters are witnessing the use
of tools. Yeah, and also you know, my thoughts are
would they would they have the ability to use fire?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I wonder about that too, I totally wonder. I don't
know they ever get cold enough that I wonder. I
think in that excellent book, uh Historical Bigfoot, and there
are some old accounts in the Pacific Northwest of them
making a fire.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I don't know, but that's interesting that you're you're finding
a tool that that looks like it had actually been
tooled down to a sharp edge. What did what did
did you do anything with that?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I have it, I have it. I just thought it
was an interesting rock. I didn't think it was anything
American Indian because it just didn't wasn't made all the
right stuff. It's just you know, it's real rudimentary. But
it's also for a really big hand, and it has
a working edge on it. Yeah, they'll send me a

(58:30):
picture of it. Pretty cool little measuring stick next to it.
You can see it. So I just, I really, just
you know, I love I think I love the bigfoot
around here. I just I hope nothing horrible ever happens
to them. I hope hunters don't point their rifles at
him or ever do anything like that. They can be

(58:52):
awful scary, but I deserve to get chased out. It's
kind of a one way street with them. You they
can come into my yard, and they do. They come
into my yard at night, and they smell horrible, But
I can't go into their yard. You know. They come
over and play around and get in my compost pile,

(59:14):
and uh, you know, it's is. They're they're funny. They're
funny like that. They only like us if they're the
ones initiating the contact or something. They don't like it
the other way.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Have you ever had any kind of an experience where
you felt that you were being welcomed?

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Uh? I did only one time I saw the guy
that they yelled at me in the woods. I started
bringing them apples. Someone's an some apples. Apples. I go out, Uh,
you know, a dozen apples or something, and and I'd

(01:00:01):
go out like every week and give him apples. And
then one day I like I miss a week or something.
I don't know. I just wasn't there. I jump in
my truck and I usually didn't take my truck. I
just hike out, jump in my truck, go out to
give him some apples. And I'm driving down the road
and about three hundred yards away, I see that that

(01:00:24):
big dark guy standing there waiting. I think he's waiting
for some apples. And I I get closer and he
takes off. It's like, oh my god, they're waiting for
the apples. I may have I may have spoiled them
or something. I don't know, but I did to leave
a rubber ball with the apples. I left a racketball ball,

(01:00:47):
which they're kind of fun to play with. I left
it in with the apples. They didn't touch that thing.
Apples are gone. They didn't touch it. Really, God, they
just wouldn't do it. Yeah, that's funny. And that is
in their nest, you know, this is kind of right on.
This is their nest. I'm on the edge of it.
I go there one morning with the apples and I

(01:01:08):
see a bear has come down this two track that
borders the nest, and that bear did not didn't even
get near the apples. Like, man, the Bigfoot must really
have the bear trained well to not eat their apples.
Just did you saw have the trail like the bears

(01:01:28):
kept going, didn't stop, didn't even look like these don't
cut apples. And oh I can't I can't imagine why
the bear can't stop and eat all the apples. I know,
there's just some funny things out there, funny anomalies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
What's the most perplexing thing that you've you've run into
out there, the one thing that just sent your mind
spinning and you have no idea how to wrap your
head around it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I I have one thing, and I don't know. I'm
not gonna I don't know if I should ever tell it.
It's way too crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
It's a this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah I was, I'd kind of telling you, but it's
a cooky story. I don't know how to feel about it.
But I was coming along and it was fall beautiful
day in October, and I'm coming along in my car
and I stop at vista overlooking a part of one

(01:02:34):
of these rivers up north, and I get out of
the car and I'm standing on the bank and I
look across the river and I see this crazy looking
guy standing on the other side of the river and
he's got a fishing pole and he's fishing, but fishing

(01:02:56):
season is over. Well, maybe he can still fish there
eagle if he throws it back, but but he's fishing
in the spot. And then thinking how in the world
did he get to the spot? Because the spot he's
in is part of the nest and it is there's
no there's no roads going to it. There's you can't

(01:03:17):
even walk in there. It's so thick. And he's got
a blue down jacket out in October and he's got
a hat on and he's fishing, but he's not doesn't
know how to fish. He's doing something really wrong with
this little kid's fishing pole. What And I'm looking across
and I look like, how did he get Here's a

(01:03:39):
boat down that part of the river that look eight
hundred yards to the to the west. No boat, look
eight hundred yards it's not bend to the east. No boat.
How did he get there? And I look at him
and go, hey, there, and I wave at him. Doesn't
look up, just like a just standing there. I can't

(01:04:02):
see him very well because he's got a hat on him.
He's not He's just strange just standing there. It's like, Okay,
I'm gonna go down to where uh the hairy guy's cross.
There's a spot where they cross the river right there.
And I got down there, gone like three minutes. Come up,
the guy's gone. He's gone. He's got this bright blue,

(01:04:25):
puffy down jacket on that you cannot wear in that woods.
He would be you'd be a big fuzzball if you
were in there. Where did he go? I'm running on
that bank on the other side looking I can't find him.
I got a weird feeling like and so I asked

(01:04:46):
one of my buddies, who lives real close to lots
of the action. I said, uh, you ever, one of
my buddies has seen him quite a few times, and
he said, I said, do you think that they can
wear human clothes? Says, oh, yes, really, I've never heard
I guess I've heard of it a little bit, but

(01:05:07):
I was wondering it's this one of the kids.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I've heard of it in one of the I've heard
it of it in one of the old historic accounts.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
I did two. That's where I read it. Somebody had
rags tied all over him. The just swamps the Indian
or something. But I just like that was just the
craziest thing. Yeah, my buddy who doesn't live far away,
I said, I saw a fisherman on the other side
of the river right there. He looked at me and said,

(01:05:37):
how did you get there? I don't know. I didn't
have a boat, hit down, jacket looked real funny, could
not see his face. Just couldn't just figure it out.
So that's my that's my crazy story.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Well, you know, I'm going to piggyback on that, and
I'm going to say something to you that there's a
there's a person that I'm I'm trying desperately to get
to come on the show, and this person had an
experience that and I think I think that this plays
into you know, how many people say these things can cloak,

(01:06:18):
and they can, you know, basically just go invisible and
stuff like that, and you start getting into the wu
aspects of all this. But this person, very normal person,
very normal, while in the area of one of these things,

(01:06:40):
experienced the the environment that they were in. I have
to be really careful how I say this, the way
the environment appeared seemed to change, and I almost wonder that.

(01:07:06):
You know, frequency, frequency and vibration are are things that
we are very susceptible to. And if frequencies are changed
enough into the right lower lower ranges that we cannot

(01:07:26):
perceive with our ears, they can cause distortions in vision. Yes,
and I almost wonder, you know, and this is crazy talk,
but if something was adept at changing frequency or producing

(01:07:50):
a frequency that that affects our visual acuity, could something
make us see some thing that wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
It's possible. I told you, I said one time I
got sapped, and I didn't know what zapped was, but
I got sapped. I was on a dirt bike with
my buddy. He was quite a bit behind me, and
there's a trail back in the forest that that was
closed off, but not by the DNR, the Forest Service.

(01:08:23):
It was closed off by the Bigfoot. They've done that
seeing all my life. They'll take a two trick and
they'll bend all the trees down so you can't get through,
and they do it for one hundred yards, maybe two
hundred yards. So I thought, well, I'm gonna ride my
KTM back in there my dirt bike and I'm going
to see what's going on new darn Well. Probably shouldn't

(01:08:46):
do that, but I did it. It's about five or
six years ago. And I got back in there. I
could not get out. I could not figure out to
get out. I could not I did not have a
strength to turn my bike around. I couldn't move my bike.
I was stuck. And my my buddy Eric came up

(01:09:07):
behind me and I said, Eric, I can't get out
of here. I'm stuck. You got to turn my bike around,
and he he did not experience what I did. I
was way ahead of him, but he turned my bike
around and got it out of there, and I had
to go out on the stew track that was open
and sit down. Well, I was not right. But when

(01:09:31):
I when I I don't know what I saw in there.
I just knew I was. I was finished. I was incapacitated.
But I got on a bike. I felt a lot
better when I got out of there. So my my
brother has a inforsound detector that he has on a
phone and it picks it up. It's like crazy. When

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you're you're in the area, you'll you'll get big spikes,
you pick it ups like, I don't know, that's that's
what you're talking about? That changing the frequency, Yeah, yeah,
and infrasound, which has an effect on us. I I've
always been careful about going down closed off trails ever

(01:10:15):
since that, because well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
You know, a lot of people don't like to talk
about that aspect of it, and and I get that,
but I think when you when you avoid that, when
you refuse to talk about it, when you refuse to
acknowledge the possibility that something like that can occur, I

(01:10:37):
think you're you're limiting your you know, because like so
throughout throughout the all of all of my listening, all
of my reading, all of my watching, all of my conversations,
all of my interviews, I put together of this this
puzzle in my own head that, like I said before,

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you know, you have I have these file folders in
the back of my head that I stick things and
and a lot of times I don't think about them
for a long time, and then all of a sudden
somebody says something. It's like, oh, yeah, I remember something
like that from this. So I think if you ignore
and and overlook any of those aspects, those those wu aspects.

(01:11:22):
I think, I think you're doing yourself a disservice because
we don't know, and we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
And it's kind of a warning too, you know. I
just start feeling lightheaded and you in some spot. Get
out of there. Yeah, you know, don't hang. I don't
know what would have happened. My my buddy wasn't there.
I don't know what would have happened to me. I
would I would have had to take a long DApp
right there. I wouldn't have made it out with my bike. Yeah,

(01:11:51):
so that was a long walk back. So I guess
I know what people are talking about when it happens.
But well, I'm an asdactor. These these guys, uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Do you remember any during that encounter? Do you remember
any feeling of like an electrical tingle?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
I don't know. I was riding a dirt bike. There's
a lot of stuff going on, but I did. I
just I don't know. I felt what kind of like
a dread, you know, more of just a dread. I've
had it. I can't. I can't. I can't turn the
spike around. I can't. I have no strength. I just

(01:12:44):
I don't know. It's crazy. It was a crazy, helpless feeling.
And uh so I knew that I've always kept that
spot in my mind in my file cabinet, that that
is a spot that just don't go in, just let
them have it. That's there's uh I think, you know,
I people go, people ask me, how would I go

(01:13:05):
see Bigfoot? Like, well, I'm first, well, I'm not going
to tell you where they are really, uh, because I
want them to be left in peace. And they they
know where I live, so I don't try to do
anything too crazy because they'll probably just come over to
my house, you know, and then they'll do it in
the craziest hours. But I always say, well, you know,

(01:13:27):
I'm many times out there just with my swim trunks on,
no shoes, carrying and dive and ask and I'm by myself.
And that's the best way you can see one. If
you have another person with you, I think you're limited.
I don't think they'll they only they only see them
if they want you to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
And do you think in your experience that you are
much better off to just go about doing your thing
or when you are in a when you're in a
mode where you're trying to seek them out and you're
doing specific things like tree knocks or doing whoops or
calls in the woods. Do you think it's better to

(01:14:07):
just be you and engage in what it is you're
you're doing, and then they become interested in that, then
that attracts them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I don't know if there's a new rule I did.
I did a tree knock once when I was with
a researcher. I took them out and shot them the
script spot and I did nothing was happening. And I
the only time I ever did a tree knock was
this one time, and I did it. I've heard them
a lot, but I just I guess maybe I don't
believe in all that. But when I did it, I
waited about five minutes and I heard the goofiest owl

(01:14:41):
sounds and three out there were three of us. There
were three owls, and I kind of thought they were
getting in behind us. Uh, And I like, okay, it's
time to bug out. I don't like where the owls
are going. They're cutting us off from my retreat. But
I an'twaysually do anything. I don't usually make a sound.

(01:15:03):
I don't make any sounds hardly. Sometimes maybe I'm calling coyotes.
There's some noise. But I don't know. They just they
don't really want to engage. I'll tell you, I stick
chalk with me and I'd draw pictures on things for him,
and I'd leave them a piece of chalk, thinking that
they might pick it up and draw. They never picked

(01:15:24):
it up, that never drew. One times one of them
rubbed the drawing away. Oh that's how they feel about it.
So I was a better draw I thought I grew
better than that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Commentary on your artistic abilities.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Yeah, I guess. So they just critique my work not
good enough. Just the stuff you think about out there,
you know, yes, anyway, But I I probably have a
more stories than this, but I don't know. I can't
always think of them. All.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Well, I think you've You've done a great job with
what you brought to the table tonight. So I want
to thank you. I want to thank you for taking
the opportunity to engage us and let us know some
of the things that you've come across.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
It's my pleasure good talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
It's been an absolute pleasure, sir. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Stay in touch and let's let's keep this going.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Okay, we can There'll be more stories. I'm allays out
there doing something something I shouldn't be doing. Maybe anyway,
all right, all right, straightened me out? All right, thanks man,
take it easy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Thank you.

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