July 15, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode of uNcomfortable Podcast, I interview Giano Cromley, author of the debut novel American Mythology. Our conversation explores the Bigfoot community, belief in the unknown, and the inspiration behind Giano’s book, which blends humor, folklore, and heartfelt drama. Gino shares personal experiences, discusses the importance of friendship and truth-seeking in his story, and reflects on the evolving nature of American myths. The episode highlights the value of open-mindedness, personal encounters with the unexplained, and encourages listeners to engage with both the podcast and Giano’s new release. American Mythology is available everywhere starting todat July 15th
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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(01:26):
is in the show notes below. I have what promises
to be a great show for you tonight. The author
of the book American Mythology, is here to talk about
his debut novel, a story about the Basic Bigfoot Society,
which is a story of two lifelong friends on the
hunt for the Great North American wood Epe Publishers Weekly
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writes that this novel hits just the right tone, balancing satire,
horror and heartfelt drama. It's getting rave reviews and leans
heavily on the myth of of our favorite hairy cryptid friends.
The author was kind enough to send me an advanced
copy of this book, and I have to say I
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would suspect the story should especially appeal to fans of folklore, cryptids,
and the paranormal. I came away with it from with
a feeling of it being a good, spooky mystery told
around a campfire. Something tells me there could be more
to the story than just a fictional account, and we're
(02:29):
going to dive into that. So if you're ready, let's
get into it. So, if you will, please give a warm,
(02:59):
uncomfortable welcome to author Giano Cromley.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Giano, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Thank you, Eric, thank you for having me on. This
is a real honor. I love their podcast, so this is.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
All I appreciate that, sir, Thank you so much. I
enjoyed your book. I'm telling you right here. Can you
see it? No glare on it. American Mythology Giano Cromley.
We were talking before we started recording. I have I
have issues with reading because of the ADHD, like something
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or other that I never knew I had, but the
doctors say I haven't. So it takes a lot to
be able to focus and get through a book. This
was This was fun. It was it was good, it
was scary. Just like I said in the intro, it
reminded me of a good.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Campfire story.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It really is good. But there's something about the conversation
that we had before we started recording that leads me
to think that there was something else behind the writing
of this book that might have been a little bit
more real than than what I've heard. So let's let's
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get into it. You know, Born and raised in Montana,
and did I read correctly? Even did some time as
a wildlife tracker?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, I I'm a certified wildlife tracker, so I've taken
classes in it with a kind of a pretty legendary
tracker in Montana named Jim Halfpenny who taught the courses.
So I wouldn't I would not call myself a professional tracker,
but you know, I can hold my own out there.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Awesome. That's very cool, very cool.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So before we get too far into it, let's uh,
let's hit everybody up with what's the release state for this?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Sure? Yeah, so the the book is set to release
July fifteenth. It'll be available in hardcover, uh, ebook and
audiobook and uh, if people would like, they could pre
order it now from basically anywhere you would get your books,
whether it's uh, you know, one of the online giants
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or whether it's your local bookstore. You can pre order
it now because probably comes summer, you know, you'll, I
think it might be a nice vacation read for a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
What about uh, what about websites social media?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
How can people get a hold of you if they're
they need to?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, you know, my website is my name Gianocromley dot com.
I'm on Instagram with the handle Giano Cromley. I'm on Facebook,
I'm on X and bigs and blue Sky, So those
are probably the best ways to reach me. I do
have a contact button on, you know, on on my website,
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so if people need to send me an email directly,
they can do it that way if they're not on
social media. So those are probably the best ways.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, again, I have to say it was it was
a thoroughly enjoyable story.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean, thank you for saying that, and and you know,
I really appreciate it a I appreciate that you read
it and and that you that you say those kind
things about it. I I'm I like good stories, you know,
I like the kind of book that really kind of
makes you want to just, you know, go into the
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next chapter when you finish a chapter. So the fact
that you said that you, you know, you normally aren't
necessary I know, you mentioned that you you know you
fiction isn't necessarily your bag. You're kind of more nonfiction.
And uh so the fact that you felt like you really,
you know, were pulled through it, that that means a lot.
That's kind of really what I was going for. One
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aspect of what I was going for.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I would highly recommend and we kind of we kind
of art talking about the the divisiveness of the community
of bigfootery. And you know, you got the skeptics, you
got the believers, you got the experiencers. Who's right, who's wrong,
Who's who's who's going out and doing the research the
(07:17):
correct way, who's going out and wasting their time. You know,
there's so many different avenues and rabbit holes to go down,
but this is it's genuinely an enjoyable story.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Thank you. Yeah, I'm that's great to hear. That is
really great to hear. And you know, I do you
know we talked before. I'm very I followed the bigfoot
community really closely, and so you know, I'm aware of
all the factions. I'm aware of all the kind of infighting,
and I wanted to kind of maybe represent that in
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some of the characters in the book. You know, it's
got the two central friends and Virgil, who kind of
both subscribed to you know, maybe that one is more
of a of a kind of a flesh and blood
you know, bigfooter, or the others more of a wu bigfooter. So,
and and the other people on the expedition that that
takes place, they kind of all have varying levels of belief,
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and so that was something I really kind of wanted
to make sure that I included in this story. And
then and then also just talk about how bigfoot is.
It really is kind of like an interesting measure of
people's belief, right, and what people choose to believe, you.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Know, and I have I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I probably have a little bit better different understanding of
that because I've been a part of so many different
conferences as a vendor. You know, you've got people coming
up to the table, you know, through the whole day,
and you've had people who are just enamored with the
idea that bigfoot exists, and they're they're very excited about it,
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and they you know, they want to talk about it,
but they've had no experience and and other than being
an armchair quarterback in front of, you know, whatever show
or documentary they're watching, there's there's really nothing else. But
then you have the people that walk up and they
look at you and you know, you really believe in
that shit sure, And then you know, once you get
(09:31):
past that, and you know, ten minutes later after he's
after that guy's been kind of hanging around the table
a little bit looking at all the things that are
you know, for sale or the footcasts and whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And then he comes back over and he's like, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Back in August of nineteen seventy three, you know, very
specific stuff that you know. Then he then he just
unloads this story and he's like, but I don't want
to I don't want to be on the show. I
don't want to tell anybody about it, you know. I
mean you run into those people all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Oh, I'm sure you do. And I mean again you
I'm definitely the definition of kind of an armchair Bigfoot person,
right Like, you know, you're kind of out there talking
to the people, meeting them, interviewing them, so you know,
you definitely are kind of seeing them, you know, firsthand.
I think of Bigfoot in many ways as like a
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roar shack test, you know, like an ink block test,
you know, where what you believe about Bigfoot really says
more about you than it says about Bigfoot, right Like,
it really is just kind of a measure of what
you know. I think in some ways it's a measure
of how eager or how able you are to embrace
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doubt or to embrace uncertainty. And also I think it's
a measure of hubris, right, Like I think people who
are really really kind of quick. You know that one
person you mentioned who dismisses it out of hand, I
think that that a lot of that kind of dismissal
comes from a sense of of hubris, of of of
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kind of pride and and not being able to admit
that they maybe don't know everything that's out there.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And and it's funny you say that, because I I'll
I'll even use my my friend Rob as a as a.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
As a point.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
He he is now, he's he's been a hunter since
he was old enough to go out hunting with his
dad Indiana, Ohio, Michigan. You know, several seasons a year,
turkey bow shotgun, muzzle loader, you know, and hm hm
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When I first started, like when I first met him
and he knew that I was into this stuff before
long before I even started doing this show, he'd kind
of give me a wink and like whatever you know,
and and rib me about it a little bit, but
never never really terrible. But like the longer that I've
(12:15):
done the show. He is thankfully thanks Rob his taking
to listen to to the show.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know, he's he's drawn into my second and third episode.
It was a two parter. It was about a gentleman
who had one walk out in front of him on
opening day about I think it's nine years ago. Now
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after that happened, two of his daughters had experiences as well,
and that kind of that kind of got him, that
kind of got him him into because he knows this guy,
he knows the family, he knows the story inside and
(13:08):
out now and so even though he's never had any
kind of experience out in the woods, he's like, he
doesn't know what to make of Yeah, you know, and
I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I've talked to other people who have been hunters who.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, you know, I mean, I saw lights in between
the trees, but obviously it was another hunter, you know,
Well maybe it was Maybe it wasn't, you know, you know,
loud wood knocks. You know, maybe if somebody was building
a tree stand, but maybe it maybe it wasn't, you know,
because he only heard one or two knocks, you know,
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So I think it's I think it's become a very
interesting topic for him, and I'm not quite sure where
he falls on it yet. I know he knows me
well enough that I would not just be sitting here
talking about something that was complete and utter bullshit for.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Fifteen years of my life.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You know. Yeah, I know him well enough to know
that he would not look at me and say he's
just been a whack job for the last fifty years. Yeah,
but does that answer a question.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It doesn't. But those are the.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
People that, you know, you run into when you're talking
about this subject. And I still firmly believe there's people
that I've talked to at conferences, excuse me, at conferences
who have come up to talk to me and they've
lost their they've lost their they probably had it very
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much in mind that as soon as I get up there,
I'm going to tell him my experience, and then they
then they check it out, you know, because it became
too real or I won't believe them, or something that
they want to say is going to be too kooky
and it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And you know, why would anybody so well?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I mean, I think, you know, Eric, that's a really
good point. And I find you know, you hear these
people's stories, these eyewitnesses stories or ear witnesses stories, right,
and are could some of them be explained away as misidentifications? Certainly?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You know, I know for a fact that black bears
can really look strange when you kind of see them
through the trees, right, And they make a lot of
noise that could sound very strange. Could you know, a
strange sound to be an animal that you just didn't
realize it makes that sound for sure? But and are
some people making story I'm sure?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
But but I think that if you kind of look
at those stories collectively all together, I just think that
there's so many across the board that I think you
kind of I think it would be kind of almost
unreasonable not to at least consider that there must be
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something going on out there, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I think you can you can take that same
template and apply it to UFOs. Sure, you know, now,
I love cryptids, you know, the Jersey Devil, all that stuff.
To me, those are folklore, Yeah, those are those are
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fairy tales based on you know, why that why that
Jersey devil stuck and has continued to be I don't
understand it. Bigfoot To me, I completely understand.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I mean I've had a couple of very strange experiences
in the woods not twelve minutes from where I live,
and I live in a very normal community. I'm not
you know, the guy that I was just talking about
in episodes two and three, his house is maybe eighteen
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minutes from where I live, and his experience happened both
at a public hunting land about as the crow fly
is probably forty miles from his house. And then very
quickly after that, his two daughters have an experience. Each
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have an experience at their property, which is strange to
me because you know, is it related, is it completely
separate and it just happened to happen around the same time.
You know, It's just there's so much to There's so
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much to this this topic. Yeah, you know, and I'm
glad you didn't shy away from the wou because it
it in itself is a divisive category for people. You know,
mind speak, Yeah, is there really somebody's voice in your
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head or is that is that something that is a
an artifact? Is that a is that a manufactured thing
from your brain saying, you know, get out of this
area because something doesn't feel right, That doesn't take away
from the fact that there may be one of those
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entities near you causing you to believe that and making
you want to leave the area. But you know, for me,
it's hard to believe that a voice will come into
your head. And but I've never had it happen. I
have walked through a very very not so rural area
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where I hunted and add something just inside the tree
line I was in the I was in the field
maybe twenty feet out of the tree line, and I
had something in the tree line with and I had
a powerful O light. Yeah, I had something walking beside me.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Never never saw a twig move, never saw a leaf
kind of float back down to like it got knocked
off a twig. I don't know what the hell to
make out of that. Yeah, but it followed me two
thirds of the way back to my car, yeah, where
I was parked. And it wasn't until I got to
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the back of the house the property that I was hunting,
when the the lights kicked on from the motion sensor
and the lights and the lights weren't even shining towards
the tree line.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It was more like a patio area.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, but as soon as those lights kicked on, I
didn't hear anything walking beside me anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, you know, I don't know what time it was.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I mean, so, I mean a couple of things. A.
I think that's you know, I think that's a very
interesting experience. And I would I would ask, did you
feel like what was your intuition telling you in that moment?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Okay, you know, uh, you know you're talking about that
and about the mind speak and and kind of woo
in general. Right, there's this, there's the science fiction author
Arthur C. Clark. He has these three laws. But one of
the laws is any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic,
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which I really I like to think about in terms
of just when when kind of bigfoot conversation turns towards
the inexplicable, perhaps where it's like, if there's some ability
that this creature might have that we don't understand, then
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our instinct is going to describe it to going to
be to describe it as magic, right as as wu
as you know the paranormal, when in fact, you know,
there are things that we now know in quantum physics
that happened regularly, like quantum entanglement where you know, it
seems like magic, but that's just what it is, right, So,
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so a lot of that stuff, I mean, you know,
when people kind of maybe give me some grief for
talking about some of that stuff, I like to point
that out that that just because we don't understand it,
you know, doesn't mean that it's magic. It doesn't mean
that it's you know, just some fantasy. It's just maybe
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something that we're not familiar with the technology yet.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Well, how many times have you ever heard in your life,
usually when you know, speaking about a mother and a child,
you know, mother's intuition and you know, I mean when
we were when we were sleeping around a fire ring
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in a loin cloth yep, and there was untold dangers
lurking behind trees and rocks and all those things, and
we were sleeping with one eye open while the rest
of our family unit slept. You know, the the sixth
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sense and the other senses that have been.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Dumbed down.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, because we put walls up, and we put a
roof up, and we have windows that lock, and we
have doors that lock. And you know, if you if
you strip those away and you go back to living
how these things in the wild live. Imagine just how
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different their their perception and their their senses are compared.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
To us exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And I think that falls right in line with what
you're saying.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, I mean, you know, everything gives off energy, right like,
you know, a rock is giving off some kind of energy,
some kind of you know, quantum vibration, right like. And
and I think that you know, your point is is
exactly correct. Where you know, throughout you know, human history,
the vast amount you know of of of you know,
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kind of human history before we had, you know, these
modern conveniences. We had to you know, in order to survive,
you had to kind of be able to sense like
there is a saber tooth tiger right outside camp, right
like those you know. And so why would we assume
that some other creature out there, you know, has retained
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those abilities when you know we you know, we've obviously
kind of chosen a different path. But you know, yeah,
so I think that's entirely reasonable.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So the book, the book manages several several things I
think very well, one being the comedy, the humor, the
humor in it. And and we talked a little bit
about this before we started recording because you know, I
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I have no problem with humor. And but just like
I I said about the sign behind me, when I
decided to put this up, can't hit Bigfoot, you know,
hide and Seek every night, I had some some problems
kind of rectifying the idea of putting that up in
(25:29):
the studio because I was afraid people would view that
as being not taking the topic serious when I have
over two hundred episodes where I quite obviously take this
very serious. You know, something like that in the background
could could jar somebody and take them off or whatever.
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But but you do a good job of having a
threat of comedy through throughout the book. But it's all
also creepy and points downright spooky good, you know what
I mean, It really is, And it makes me wonder
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as far as a personal experience because some of that spookiness,
some of that eerieness, I get a feeling that that
that is something that you experienced.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, for sure, you know, I definitely I've always had
a huge fascination with Bigfoot. You know, I'm of that
age where you know, my my interest was piqued by
the in search of so you know, that's kind of
where I boarded the train, and so I always kind
(26:53):
of you know, circled that, you know, just was fascinated
by the by Bigfoot. But it was really it was
in twoy fourteen that I had an encounter what I
believe was an encounter. It was in we were talking earlier,
and I know you've had guests who've mentioned this location before.
It was it was it was bordering the Manistee National
(27:16):
Forest in Michigan. Yeah, and which is is interesting because
you know, I grew up you know, backcountry camping in
the Bartooth Mountains in Montana, the crazies and the tobacco roots,
so I've done a lot of of of camping out west.
This was staying. We were staying at a kind of
(27:37):
an airbnb. Uh, it was, but it was called Cabin
in the Woods, was like the name of the listing.
So it was it was. It was in the woods,
not completely isolated, you know, you couldn't see any other places,
but you know, there were others around, and and the
yard did kind of border the Manistee National Forest, which
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I think you've you're familiar with it, at least in
my experience. We spent some time hiking in there. It
feels like just a really kind of old, dark place
like it just it feels to me, it just feels
really different than a lot of the places I've been in.
And but regardless, you know, we we'd spent we'd spent
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you know, the week, maybe hiking with our dogs and whatnot.
It was it was toward the end of our our
stay there. It was actually our last night, and we
were out back. We had a campfire going. There's a
little fire pit there, uh, And we were just sitting there,
it was me and my wife and our two dogs,
and were kind of getting late. The fire was starting
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to die down a little bit, and we could hear
in the distance a pack of coyotes kind of yipping,
which you know, is very normal for that type of place. Yeah,
And and you know, honestly didn't think much of it.
And then just kind of out of the blue, there
was this sound and I can really only describe it
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as kind of a cross between a howl and a yell.
And and and you know, Eric, I've heard every animal
that could possibly be out there, and you know, and
I do think a lot of the kind of bigfoot
calls are maybe strange bird noises and stuff. But this
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was truly just unlike anything I'd ever heard. It was.
It was just kind of blood curdling in a way.
It was. It was very loud, very clear, and it
was again the only way I could describe it as
kind of half human half animal. It lasted for maybe
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near like maybe seven to eight seconds, and then almost
immediately after from the other side, a second one sounded
and again and it's it didn't sound like the same creature,
but it was this, you know, the same the identical creature,
but it was sounded like the same type of creature. Okay,
And that one lasted about ten seconds. Again just kind
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of the forest just dampened everything. I mean, it was
just everything stopped. And then a moment later, uh, there
was the sound of a coyote in acute distress, like
just a death screech of the coyote.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
And then immediately after that there was some kind of
guttural sounds, like low guttural sounds. And at that point,
so one of our dogs was a Great Pyrenees and
the great great yeah, big big boy good. And they're
they're live stock guarding dogs, right, so like they're in
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their DNA is hardwired to like. They they are very
chill because their whole purpose is they go when the
sheep go out to the pastures, the mountain pastures, they
stay with them. So they have to be really calm
because you don't want to rile the sheep up, especially
at night, unless there is a threat. And they're very
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very good at discerning when there is a threat or not. So,
for example, while that coyotes were kind of yipping, he didn't,
you know, bat an eyelash right because he knew that
that wasn't a threat at that moment. As soon as
that the second howl happened and then the coyote screech,
he went ballistic. Yeah, like just barking at the tree lined,
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lunging at the tree line. We had the leash, thankfully,
so we were able to hold him back. I mean
it was hard. He was one hundred and twenty pound dog,
but he clearly sensed that there was something dangerous in
the woods right there. And and honestly, you know, I've
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listened to recordings of kind of everything that I know
of that could have been in you know, the forests
of western Michigan, and I have not heard anything that
sounds like it honestly to be to be honest with you,
the thing that I've heard that sounds most like it
is that, ohio, how.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, And so at that point, we you know, we
were pretty scared, pretty freaked out, so we just immediately
doused the fire and went inside because it was just
it didn't feel like it was safe to be outside
at that point.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
There's something very unique about that that recording. And I
mean not just that recording. There's there's several but hm
hm what always gets me about that sound is and
and this is probably just me assigning something to it,
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but it very much sounds like it's coming from a voice,
a vocal chords, yes, not a not a not a growl,
not a you know there, I don't want to say,
I don't want to say a human voice, but something
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much more akin to a human voice versus but with
much more, a lot more volume, a lot more breath
behind it.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's that's actually I've never really talked with
anyone about that, but that's actually a really good description.
It feels like a type of human vocal cord, but
not human like, way too strong for it. I've thought
about it a lot. This is going to sound a
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little bit strange. There is there was an opera singer,
Luciano Pavaratti, and one of his kind of more famous
exactly kind of bigfoot size, right he Uh. There's a
piece that he performs called nessun dorma, which is kind
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of his most famous, the most famous piece that he
would perform, and towards the end of it, there's this
he repeats the word vincero, which means I will win
three times, and on the third one he hits this
found quality that just it doesn't feel human. And and
(34:38):
I mean there's I think there's probably been in the
history of you know, civilization, only a few people who
could hit that type of note. But honestly, that kind
of it answers this weird vibrational frequency that that reminds
me most of what I heard that night.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, And and the reaction of of your dog is
h is a pretty good indicator that something something had
him spooked, something he was in. It didn't sound like
he was in flight mode. It definitely sounded like he
was in engaging in a in an aggressive mode.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah. And he was a rescue from from downstate Illinois
where he worked on a farm. So he you know,
he you know, worked, he was a working dog before
we you know, adopted him, so we know that. I mean,
he that was not just kind of that was something
he knew what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Interesting. Thanks for sureing that.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, so we we brought it up, and then we
kind of skipped over what was what Why was the humor.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So important in this book?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Well, I mean, I guess I would say, I I
think I'm a pretty funny guy. I think it. I
think writing humor comes pretty naturally to me. And uh
and so I think that that was just you know,
when I when I conceived of those two characters, Virgil
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and Jute, kind of the two main protagonists of the story,
I wanted them to kind of have a sense of humor,
you know, with each other, I think, And you can
tell me if you feel otherwise, But I never wanted
the humor to come at anyone's expense, Like I'm the
humor isn't necessarily supposed to kind of be mocking anyone.
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I just I just I just find that, you know,
I found that, you know, writing them with the you
know them kind of embracing humor was a way to
kind of humanize met.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Us with you like reading uh, before I got a
feel for for your story. My fear was that at
some point that that humor was going to be directed
at bigfooters or you know, it never was. Yeah, it
was just humor for the sake of common every day.
(37:18):
I mean, like my engagement with my girlfriend. I mean,
we're more smart asses to each other and we say
silly shit, and yeah, you know, it was it was
just that.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, you know, and and and Virgil and Jude, they've
they've been friends since they were kids, right, and and
and so I wanted them to just you know, like
when you kind of are hanging out with your some
old friends, like you just kind of there's that kind
of mode that you you adopt. But but yeah, that
was one thing that I was certain when I wrote
this that I would never want to do is kind
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of make fun use humor in any kind of negative
way toward their beliefs or toward what they're doing. You know,
if anyone I think kind of gets gets maybe a
little bit uh you know, kind of taken down a peg,
it would be the the kind of the the doctor
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Bernard character, who's this kind of he's a famous bigfoot researcher.
But he's also now kind of decided that he wants to,
you know, uh, kind of prove that that all of
this bigfoot stuff is nonsense. So I think if anyone
kind of gets taken down a peg, I would hope
it would be him. That was my intention.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Anyway, what is it about? Because like, Okay, so I
guess we'll talk about movies for a second. Sure you
know there are not very many good bigfoot movies. Yeah,
I agree, there are a handful, maybe a handful and
a half that range from very good to pretty good. Too,
(38:57):
then you just got you know, just trash. Yeah, but
what do you think it is about, like your your
experience writing a fiction.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Novel about bigfoot?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, and versus the documentaries, because you say that you're
you're very much into bigfoot culture, and I assume that
means finding Bigfoot expedition, Bigfoot documentaries, small town all.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Town monsters, all their stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, So what do you think it is about you
being able to write a fictional story versus like what
what we typically get in documentaries.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, that that's actually a really great question. Probably it
stems from the fact that I'm not great at writing
nonfiction I just my preference is always to write fiction.
But I knew for the longest time that I wanted
to write a book about bigfoot, right, And and that
was in a way, I mean, that was a really
(40:03):
big challenge, probably my biggest challenge, which was just figuring
out what is my what is my avenue into this story, right,
Because like you said, I think, with a few exceptions,
there are a lot of pretty bad Bigfoot movies out there, right,
And I think that they tend to fall into one
(40:24):
of two camps. One is kind of like a kid's movie,
like a kind of a humorous kids movie, like a
Harry and the Henderson's or kind of a flat out
horror like horror genre, right. And you know there's a
few kind of maybe that that mix in some of
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that here and there, or mix them up a little bit,
or or try something different. But I and so so honestly,
I mean, and I'm not joking, Eric when I say
for years I kind of felt like I was this
air planes circling the airport, trying to figure out how
I wanted to land this this book. And I wrote
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various pieces of it years and years and years ago,
and kind of just hung on to them, and I
didn't know how it worked. But then what I realized
is is I think my way into this story was
to talk about the people who are fascinated by Bigfoot
and who are looking for Bigfoot. And so it was
really once I kind of settled on my two main characters,
(41:31):
Virgil and Jute, that I realized, oh, Okay, this is
the story that I want to tell. It's really, yes,
it's they're they're looking for Bigfoot. There is you know,
there is there that's happening. But really it's the story
about the kind of about family, about friendship, and uh,
you know, about kind of looking for things, right, you know,
(41:54):
in many ways, I think the best stories are all
about a search for the truth, right, whether it's a
mystery or a crime story or anything like that, it's
it's really about looking for the truth. And that's that's
once I kind of hit on that and realize that
what I wanted to focus on was the characters in
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this story. That was how I kind of found my way.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Into this interesting Do you believe in Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I do? I do. I don't ask me what it
is because I can't. I can't tell you, but I
believe that there is something out there that we don't
know what it is.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Something's leaving the footprints.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Something's leaving the footprints. Yes, people are seeing something, and
again I will I will allow, I will grant that
a lot of them are like well meaning people who've
misidentified something. I'm sure, right, sure, but not all of them,
Like I, I do not believe that's that all of
them have.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
I personally, I think that I have been guilty of
assigning human qualities to these things. Yes, so my my
thoughts on these creatures, entities, beings are that they are
(43:28):
something much more closely related to us than a.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Undiscovered eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's right.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I mean, that's just that's and I think that's been
I think that's been a part of my my, my
learning and my you know, since the first time I
saw the Patterson Gimlin film I'm in search of. Yeah,
you know, it's just always been that for me. I've
(44:03):
never I've never wavered, and you know, like the idea
of these things are just an undiscovered eight to me,
I don't know if that's like part of the mystery
that if that is what it is, it would be
ruined for me, because I want it to be something
that has a higher intelligence, has abilities that can not
(44:25):
necessarily walk through portals and stuff like that. But you know,
that's what I want, and that's what I hope that
it is. I don't know if it is, obviously, but
that's my hopes.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Well, yeah, I mean that's that's really interesting, right, And
you just mentioned intelligence, right. I think that's a case where,
you know, our human tendency toward hubris really steps in
where we say, like, well, obviously we're smarter than a
(44:58):
big foot, right, Like, but what if we're like what
if what if this is a set of creatures that's
highly intelligent and they have just made very different choices
about how they want to live? You know, you know,
like what if what if Wales are far more intelligent
than we are?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (45:15):
But you know, it's just so like, I don't know,
it's certainly possible. We just assumed that we're we're the
smartest because we've got you know, iPhones, But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And I guess I think I would make the argument
that just about everything else is probably smarter than us.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
To go to to use the name of your book
in a little different context, the American mythology. You know,
how do you think that Bigfoot in UFOs.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Where do they fit in?
Speaker 1 (45:55):
How do they fit into the mythology that is America.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, you know, that's a really good question, right, I
mean I think that they are well, I think the
best myths are flexible and they are not stuck in
time or place. So they may represent different things at
(46:26):
different points in history, right, you know, whether it's uh,
you know, UFOs. You know, extraterrestrials may represent some kind
of you know, in the fifties probably represented or or
helped us understand our fear of the dawning nuclear age.
(46:47):
I think maybe, you know, Bigfoot in the seventies probably represented,
you know, our our downing sense of kind of ecological necessity,
the need to preserve you know, uh, you know, these
these wild places. But maybe they don't necessarily represent that
(47:07):
at this moment, right, And sometimes I don't think you
really know what they represent until the moment has passed.
I read I read somewhere that that myth is truth
without facts and and and so what it really does
(47:29):
is it kind of represents like a higher truth that
you know, so this kind of higher meaning that we
might be looking for.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
And I think, you know, you're walking right into this
because Okay, the follow up was going to be that
one of the takeaways from this book for me was
a very devout belief and and you're you're walking right
(48:00):
into to having a belief.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, honestly, Eric, I can tell you
I've worked on this book for a very long time.
I started the first draft in twenty nineteen, and probably
just maybe nine months ago submitted my final, final copy
edited draft to the publisher. And I think in many ways,
(48:28):
writing this book was kind of like a journey, even
though it's fiction. It was a journey of belief and
kind of opening myself up to the possibility all the
possibilities of things that are out there that maybe in
the past I would have dismissed. So yeah, no, I
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think that's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
That was a we're right out about fifty five minutes,
and that I think was a great way to walk
into to that because belief, belief is is a is
a central.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
A central thing in this story.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And and so you know there there
are essentially five different primary characters that are going on
this expedition, and each one of them is kind of,
you know, starts with in one place of belief. You know,
you could look at it as a spectrum on you know,
complete skeptic to you know, complete and utter believer, and
(49:36):
they all kind of as the story goes along, they
all move and slide along that spectrum, right, and and
end up in some very very different places. So yeah,
I mean that was that was part of what I
wanted to do with these characters, is explore the nature
of belief, right, and and what does it mean to
to kind of to believe in things that that a
(50:01):
lot of people say, aren't there, right, that that might
make fun of you for saying that you believe in them?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (50:06):
What is that? What does that say about you?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
And how do you kind of rawish every time somebody
did that to me?
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Sure? Yeah, I'm sure. Well, I mean, you know, even
even until you know, rather recently, if if you had
asked me, you know, do you believe in Bigfoot? I
probably would have just kind of hemmed and hot and
and kind of like, well, you know, like but you
know it's so I've just kind of had to grow
to be comfortable. It's just saying that you know.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, it's it's funny because down here at the bottom
of my notes the last three words I have for
the end of the show, literally we're belief, nature and friendship.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah. Wow, that really is that. That is a perfect
distillation of what I was going for. That really is.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah. Interesting. Sometimes sometimes things really happen for a reason. Giano,
It's been a wonderful hour spent with you. Super happy
to have made your acquaintance. American Mythology comes out July fifteenth.
Terrific book if you're if you're into the subject, if
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you're into fiction. It was it was a lot of fun,
it really was. Release date again July fifteenth, July fifteenth,
websites where they can get it anywhere.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I mean they can get it Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
local bookstores, you know, anywhere.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
And you said that was going to be available in hardback, paperback,
e book and audio.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Who Did You Get Back?
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Won't be released for some time, so it's it's hard
hardcover ebook and an audiobook will be July fifteenth, and
there it's available for pre or.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Now, why did you contact me when you were looking
for somebody to do the audio book?
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Well, I mean, you would have been perfect.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
I would love to do it. I'd love to do it.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
My parents really wanted me to do the audio books,
so they even yeah, but I don't think I probably could.
It's it is, I mean audiobook, it's an art form
that the narrators. It's really I'm in awe of those.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
All right people.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Social media again, uh, for anybody that's trying to get
ahold of you.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, Instagram is Giano Cromley, Facebook Giano Cromley. Uh uh,
let's see on X I'm Giano c And yeah, so
if you just if you just google my name, it's
a it's a it's an uncommon enough name that it's
pretty googleable google able. Yeah, I just made that up.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Giano.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Thank you so much for being here. Love the book, everybody.
I highly recommend this book. It has the best of
everything in it and honestly, I don't think you'll be disappointed,
So go out and get it. July fifteenth, Giano, thank
you so much for the time. I appreciate having you
on this show, and I appreciate you listening to the show.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
That's very mattering.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
So yeah, I love it. And Eric, thank you for
having me on this has been a real, real treat,
so I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
It's been a pleasure, my friend. Great good night, Great
good night.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Take care
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is in the show notes below. I have what promises
to be a great show for you tonight. The author
of the book American Mythology, is here to talk about
his debut novel, a story about the Basic Bigfoot Society,
which is a story of two lifelong friends on the
hunt for the Great North American wood Epe Publishers Weekly
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writes that this novel hits just the right tone, balancing satire,
horror and heartfelt drama. It's getting rave reviews and leans
heavily on the myth of of our favorite hairy cryptid friends.
The author was kind enough to send me an advanced
copy of this book, and I have to say I
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would suspect the story should especially appeal to fans of folklore, cryptids,
and the paranormal. I came away with it from with
a feeling of it being a good, spooky mystery told
around a campfire. Something tells me there could be more
to the story than just a fictional account, and we're
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going to dive into that. So if you're ready, let's
get into it. So, if you will, please give a warm,
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uncomfortable welcome to author Giano Cromley.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Giano, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Thank you, Eric, thank you for having me on. This
is a real honor. I love their podcast, so this is.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
All I appreciate that, sir, Thank you so much. I
enjoyed your book. I'm telling you right here. Can you
see it? No glare on it. American Mythology Giano Cromley.
We were talking before we started recording. I have I
have issues with reading because of the ADHD, like something
(03:31):
or other that I never knew I had, but the
doctors say I haven't. So it takes a lot to
be able to focus and get through a book. This
was This was fun. It was it was good, it
was scary. Just like I said in the intro, it
reminded me of a good.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Campfire story.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It really is good. But there's something about the conversation
that we had before we started recording that leads me
to think that there was something else behind the writing
of this book that might have been a little bit
more real than than what I've heard. So let's let's
(04:13):
get into it. You know, Born and raised in Montana,
and did I read correctly? Even did some time as
a wildlife tracker?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, I I'm a certified wildlife tracker, so I've taken
classes in it with a kind of a pretty legendary
tracker in Montana named Jim Halfpenny who taught the courses.
So I wouldn't I would not call myself a professional tracker,
but you know, I can hold my own out there.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Awesome. That's very cool, very cool.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So before we get too far into it, let's uh,
let's hit everybody up with what's the release state for this?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Sure? Yeah, so the the book is set to release
July fifteenth. It'll be available in hardcover, uh, ebook and
audiobook and uh, if people would like, they could pre
order it now from basically anywhere you would get your books,
whether it's uh, you know, one of the online giants
(05:19):
or whether it's your local bookstore. You can pre order
it now because probably comes summer, you know, you'll, I
think it might be a nice vacation read for a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
What about uh, what about websites social media?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
How can people get a hold of you if they're
they need to?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, you know, my website is my name Gianocromley dot com.
I'm on Instagram with the handle Giano Cromley. I'm on Facebook,
I'm on X and bigs and blue Sky, So those
are probably the best ways to reach me. I do
have a contact button on, you know, on on my website,
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so if people need to send me an email directly,
they can do it that way if they're not on
social media. So those are probably the best ways.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, again, I have to say it was it was
a thoroughly enjoyable story.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean, thank you for saying that, and and you know,
I really appreciate it a I appreciate that you read
it and and that you that you say those kind
things about it. I I'm I like good stories, you know,
I like the kind of book that really kind of
makes you want to just, you know, go into the
(06:33):
next chapter when you finish a chapter. So the fact
that you said that you, you know, you normally aren't
necessary I know, you mentioned that you you know you
fiction isn't necessarily your bag. You're kind of more nonfiction.
And uh so the fact that you felt like you really,
you know, were pulled through it, that that means a lot.
That's kind of really what I was going for. One
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aspect of what I was going for.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I would highly recommend and we kind of we kind
of art talking about the the divisiveness of the community
of bigfootery. And you know, you got the skeptics, you
got the believers, you got the experiencers. Who's right, who's wrong,
Who's who's who's going out and doing the research the
(07:17):
correct way, who's going out and wasting their time. You know,
there's so many different avenues and rabbit holes to go down,
but this is it's genuinely an enjoyable story.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Thank you. Yeah, I'm that's great to hear. That is
really great to hear. And you know, I do you
know we talked before. I'm very I followed the bigfoot
community really closely, and so you know, I'm aware of
all the factions. I'm aware of all the kind of infighting,
and I wanted to kind of maybe represent that in
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some of the characters in the book. You know, it's
got the two central friends and Virgil, who kind of
both subscribed to you know, maybe that one is more
of a of a kind of a flesh and blood
you know, bigfooter, or the others more of a wu bigfooter. So,
and and the other people on the expedition that that
takes place, they kind of all have varying levels of belief,
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and so that was something I really kind of wanted
to make sure that I included in this story. And
then and then also just talk about how bigfoot is.
It really is kind of like an interesting measure of
people's belief, right, and what people choose to believe, you.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Know, and I have I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I probably have a little bit better different understanding of
that because I've been a part of so many different
conferences as a vendor. You know, you've got people coming
up to the table, you know, through the whole day,
and you've had people who are just enamored with the
idea that bigfoot exists, and they're they're very excited about it,
(09:07):
and they you know, they want to talk about it,
but they've had no experience and and other than being
an armchair quarterback in front of, you know, whatever show
or documentary they're watching, there's there's really nothing else. But
then you have the people that walk up and they
look at you and you know, you really believe in
that shit sure, And then you know, once you get
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past that, and you know, ten minutes later after he's
after that guy's been kind of hanging around the table
a little bit looking at all the things that are
you know, for sale or the footcasts and whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And then he comes back over and he's like, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Back in August of nineteen seventy three, you know, very
specific stuff that you know. Then he then he just
unloads this story and he's like, but I don't want
to I don't want to be on the show. I
don't want to tell anybody about it, you know. I
mean you run into those people all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Oh, I'm sure you do. And I mean again you
I'm definitely the definition of kind of an armchair Bigfoot person,
right Like, you know, you're kind of out there talking
to the people, meeting them, interviewing them, so you know,
you definitely are kind of seeing them, you know, firsthand.
I think of Bigfoot in many ways as like a
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roar shack test, you know, like an ink block test,
you know, where what you believe about Bigfoot really says
more about you than it says about Bigfoot, right Like,
it really is just kind of a measure of what
you know. I think in some ways it's a measure
of how eager or how able you are to embrace
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doubt or to embrace uncertainty. And also I think it's
a measure of hubris, right, Like I think people who
are really really kind of quick. You know that one
person you mentioned who dismisses it out of hand, I
think that that a lot of that kind of dismissal
comes from a sense of of hubris, of of of
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kind of pride and and not being able to admit
that they maybe don't know everything that's out there.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And and it's funny you say that, because I I'll
I'll even use my my friend Rob as a as a.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
As a point.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
He he is now, he's he's been a hunter since
he was old enough to go out hunting with his
dad Indiana, Ohio, Michigan. You know, several seasons a year,
turkey bow shotgun, muzzle loader, you know, and hm hm
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When I first started, like when I first met him
and he knew that I was into this stuff before
long before I even started doing this show, he'd kind
of give me a wink and like whatever you know,
and and rib me about it a little bit, but
never never really terrible. But like the longer that I've
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done the show. He is thankfully thanks Rob his taking
to listen to to the show.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know, he's he's drawn into my second and third episode.
It was a two parter. It was about a gentleman
who had one walk out in front of him on
opening day about I think it's nine years ago. Now
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after that happened, two of his daughters had experiences as well,
and that kind of that kind of got him, that
kind of got him him into because he knows this guy,
he knows the family, he knows the story inside and
(13:08):
out now and so even though he's never had any
kind of experience out in the woods, he's like, he
doesn't know what to make of Yeah, you know, and
I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I've talked to other people who have been hunters who.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, you know, I mean, I saw lights in between
the trees, but obviously it was another hunter, you know,
Well maybe it was Maybe it wasn't, you know, you know,
loud wood knocks. You know, maybe if somebody was building
a tree stand, but maybe it maybe it wasn't, you know,
because he only heard one or two knocks, you know,
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So I think it's I think it's become a very
interesting topic for him, and I'm not quite sure where
he falls on it yet. I know he knows me
well enough that I would not just be sitting here
talking about something that was complete and utter bullshit for.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Fifteen years of my life.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You know. Yeah, I know him well enough to know
that he would not look at me and say he's
just been a whack job for the last fifty years. Yeah,
but does that answer a question.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It doesn't. But those are the.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
People that, you know, you run into when you're talking
about this subject. And I still firmly believe there's people
that I've talked to at conferences, excuse me, at conferences
who have come up to talk to me and they've
lost their they've lost their they probably had it very
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much in mind that as soon as I get up there,
I'm going to tell him my experience, and then they
then they check it out, you know, because it became
too real or I won't believe them, or something that
they want to say is going to be too kooky
and it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And you know, why would anybody so well?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I mean, I think, you know, Eric, that's a really
good point. And I find you know, you hear these
people's stories, these eyewitnesses stories or ear witnesses stories, right,
and are could some of them be explained away as misidentifications? Certainly?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You know, I know for a fact that black bears
can really look strange when you kind of see them
through the trees, right, And they make a lot of
noise that could sound very strange. Could you know, a
strange sound to be an animal that you just didn't
realize it makes that sound for sure? But and are
some people making story I'm sure?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
But but I think that if you kind of look
at those stories collectively all together, I just think that
there's so many across the board that I think you
kind of I think it would be kind of almost
unreasonable not to at least consider that there must be
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something going on out there, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I think you can you can take that same
template and apply it to UFOs. Sure, you know, now,
I love cryptids, you know, the Jersey Devil, all that stuff.
To me, those are folklore, Yeah, those are those are
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fairy tales based on you know, why that why that
Jersey devil stuck and has continued to be I don't
understand it. Bigfoot To me, I completely understand.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I mean I've had a couple of very strange experiences
in the woods not twelve minutes from where I live,
and I live in a very normal community. I'm not
you know, the guy that I was just talking about
in episodes two and three, his house is maybe eighteen
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minutes from where I live, and his experience happened both
at a public hunting land about as the crow fly
is probably forty miles from his house. And then very
quickly after that, his two daughters have an experience. Each
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have an experience at their property, which is strange to
me because you know, is it related, is it completely
separate and it just happened to happen around the same time.
You know, It's just there's so much to There's so
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much to this this topic. Yeah, you know, and I'm
glad you didn't shy away from the wou because it
it in itself is a divisive category for people. You know,
mind speak, Yeah, is there really somebody's voice in your
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head or is that is that something that is a
an artifact? Is that a is that a manufactured thing
from your brain saying, you know, get out of this
area because something doesn't feel right, That doesn't take away
from the fact that there may be one of those
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entities near you causing you to believe that and making
you want to leave the area. But you know, for me,
it's hard to believe that a voice will come into
your head. And but I've never had it happen. I
have walked through a very very not so rural area
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where I hunted and add something just inside the tree
line I was in the I was in the field
maybe twenty feet out of the tree line, and I
had something in the tree line with and I had
a powerful O light. Yeah, I had something walking beside me.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Never never saw a twig move, never saw a leaf
kind of float back down to like it got knocked
off a twig. I don't know what the hell to
make out of that. Yeah, but it followed me two
thirds of the way back to my car, yeah, where
I was parked. And it wasn't until I got to
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the back of the house the property that I was hunting,
when the the lights kicked on from the motion sensor
and the lights and the lights weren't even shining towards
the tree line.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It was more like a patio area.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, but as soon as those lights kicked on, I
didn't hear anything walking beside me anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, you know, I don't know what time it was.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I mean, so, I mean a couple of things. A.
I think that's you know, I think that's a very
interesting experience. And I would I would ask, did you
feel like what was your intuition telling you in that moment?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Okay, you know, uh, you know you're talking about that
and about the mind speak and and kind of woo
in general. Right, there's this, there's the science fiction author
Arthur C. Clark. He has these three laws. But one of
the laws is any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic,
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which I really I like to think about in terms
of just when when kind of bigfoot conversation turns towards
the inexplicable, perhaps where it's like, if there's some ability
that this creature might have that we don't understand, then
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our instinct is going to describe it to going to
be to describe it as magic, right as as wu
as you know the paranormal, when in fact, you know,
there are things that we now know in quantum physics
that happened regularly, like quantum entanglement where you know, it
seems like magic, but that's just what it is, right, So,
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so a lot of that stuff, I mean, you know,
when people kind of maybe give me some grief for
talking about some of that stuff, I like to point
that out that that just because we don't understand it,
you know, doesn't mean that it's magic. It doesn't mean
that it's you know, just some fantasy. It's just maybe
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something that we're not familiar with the technology yet.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Well, how many times have you ever heard in your life,
usually when you know, speaking about a mother and a child,
you know, mother's intuition and you know, I mean when
we were when we were sleeping around a fire ring
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in a loin cloth yep, and there was untold dangers
lurking behind trees and rocks and all those things, and
we were sleeping with one eye open while the rest
of our family unit slept. You know, the the sixth
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sense and the other senses that have been.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Dumbed down.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, because we put walls up, and we put a
roof up, and we have windows that lock, and we
have doors that lock. And you know, if you if
you strip those away and you go back to living
how these things in the wild live. Imagine just how
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different their their perception and their their senses are compared.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
To us exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And I think that falls right in line with what
you're saying.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, I mean, you know, everything gives off energy, right like,
you know, a rock is giving off some kind of energy,
some kind of you know, quantum vibration, right like. And
and I think that you know, your point is is
exactly correct. Where you know, throughout you know, human history,
the vast amount you know of of of you know,
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kind of human history before we had, you know, these
modern conveniences. We had to you know, in order to survive,
you had to kind of be able to sense like
there is a saber tooth tiger right outside camp, right
like those you know. And so why would we assume
that some other creature out there, you know, has retained
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those abilities when you know we you know, we've obviously
kind of chosen a different path. But you know, yeah,
so I think that's entirely reasonable.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So the book, the book manages several several things I
think very well, one being the comedy, the humor, the
humor in it. And and we talked a little bit
about this before we started recording because you know, I
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I have no problem with humor. And but just like
I I said about the sign behind me, when I
decided to put this up, can't hit Bigfoot, you know,
hide and Seek every night, I had some some problems
kind of rectifying the idea of putting that up in
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the studio because I was afraid people would view that
as being not taking the topic serious when I have
over two hundred episodes where I quite obviously take this
very serious. You know, something like that in the background
could could jar somebody and take them off or whatever.
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But but you do a good job of having a
threat of comedy through throughout the book. But it's all
also creepy and points downright spooky good, you know what
I mean, It really is, And it makes me wonder
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as far as a personal experience because some of that spookiness,
some of that eerieness, I get a feeling that that
that is something that you experienced.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, for sure, you know, I definitely I've always had
a huge fascination with Bigfoot. You know, I'm of that
age where you know, my my interest was piqued by
the in search of so you know, that's kind of
where I boarded the train, and so I always kind
(26:53):
of you know, circled that, you know, just was fascinated
by the by Bigfoot. But it was really it was
in twoy fourteen that I had an encounter what I
believe was an encounter. It was in we were talking earlier,
and I know you've had guests who've mentioned this location before.
It was it was it was bordering the Manistee National
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Forest in Michigan. Yeah, and which is is interesting because
you know, I grew up you know, backcountry camping in
the Bartooth Mountains in Montana, the crazies and the tobacco roots,
so I've done a lot of of of camping out west.
This was staying. We were staying at a kind of
(27:37):
an airbnb. Uh, it was, but it was called Cabin
in the Woods, was like the name of the listing.
So it was it was. It was in the woods,
not completely isolated, you know, you couldn't see any other places,
but you know, there were others around, and and the
yard did kind of border the Manistee National Forest, which
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I think you've you're familiar with it, at least in
my experience. We spent some time hiking in there. It
feels like just a really kind of old, dark place
like it just it feels to me, it just feels
really different than a lot of the places I've been in.
And but regardless, you know, we we'd spent we'd spent
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you know, the week, maybe hiking with our dogs and whatnot.
It was it was toward the end of our our
stay there. It was actually our last night, and we
were out back. We had a campfire going. There's a
little fire pit there, uh, And we were just sitting there,
it was me and my wife and our two dogs,
and were kind of getting late. The fire was starting
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to die down a little bit, and we could hear
in the distance a pack of coyotes kind of yipping,
which you know, is very normal for that type of place. Yeah,
And and you know, honestly didn't think much of it.
And then just kind of out of the blue, there
was this sound and I can really only describe it
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as kind of a cross between a howl and a yell.
And and and you know, Eric, I've heard every animal
that could possibly be out there, and you know, and
I do think a lot of the kind of bigfoot
calls are maybe strange bird noises and stuff. But this
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was truly just unlike anything I'd ever heard. It was.
It was just kind of blood curdling in a way.
It was. It was very loud, very clear, and it
was again the only way I could describe it as
kind of half human half animal. It lasted for maybe
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near like maybe seven to eight seconds, and then almost
immediately after from the other side, a second one sounded
and again and it's it didn't sound like the same creature,
but it was this, you know, the same the identical creature,
but it was sounded like the same type of creature. Okay,
And that one lasted about ten seconds. Again just kind
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of the forest just dampened everything. I mean, it was
just everything stopped. And then a moment later, uh, there
was the sound of a coyote in acute distress, like
just a death screech of the coyote.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
And then immediately after that there was some kind of
guttural sounds, like low guttural sounds. And at that point,
so one of our dogs was a Great Pyrenees and
the great great yeah, big big boy good. And they're
they're live stock guarding dogs, right, so like they're in
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their DNA is hardwired to like. They they are very
chill because their whole purpose is they go when the
sheep go out to the pastures, the mountain pastures, they
stay with them. So they have to be really calm
because you don't want to rile the sheep up, especially
at night, unless there is a threat. And they're very
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very good at discerning when there is a threat or not. So,
for example, while that coyotes were kind of yipping, he didn't,
you know, bat an eyelash right because he knew that
that wasn't a threat at that moment. As soon as
that the second howl happened and then the coyote screech,
he went ballistic. Yeah, like just barking at the tree lined,
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lunging at the tree line. We had the leash, thankfully,
so we were able to hold him back. I mean
it was hard. He was one hundred and twenty pound dog,
but he clearly sensed that there was something dangerous in
the woods right there. And and honestly, you know, I've
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listened to recordings of kind of everything that I know
of that could have been in you know, the forests
of western Michigan, and I have not heard anything that
sounds like it honestly to be to be honest with you,
the thing that I've heard that sounds most like it
is that, ohio, how.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, And so at that point, we you know, we
were pretty scared, pretty freaked out, so we just immediately
doused the fire and went inside because it was just
it didn't feel like it was safe to be outside
at that point.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
There's something very unique about that that recording. And I
mean not just that recording. There's there's several but hm
hm what always gets me about that sound is and
and this is probably just me assigning something to it,
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but it very much sounds like it's coming from a voice,
a vocal chords, yes, not a not a not a growl,
not a you know there, I don't want to say,
I don't want to say a human voice, but something
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much more akin to a human voice versus but with
much more, a lot more volume, a lot more breath
behind it.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's that's actually I've never really talked with
anyone about that, but that's actually a really good description.
It feels like a type of human vocal cord, but
not human like, way too strong for it. I've thought
about it a lot. This is going to sound a
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little bit strange. There is there was an opera singer,
Luciano Pavaratti, and one of his kind of more famous
exactly kind of bigfoot size, right he Uh. There's a
piece that he performs called nessun dorma, which is kind
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of his most famous, the most famous piece that he
would perform, and towards the end of it, there's this
he repeats the word vincero, which means I will win
three times, and on the third one he hits this
found quality that just it doesn't feel human. And and
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I mean there's I think there's probably been in the
history of you know, civilization, only a few people who
could hit that type of note. But honestly, that kind
of it answers this weird vibrational frequency that that reminds
me most of what I heard that night.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, And and the reaction of of your dog is
h is a pretty good indicator that something something had
him spooked, something he was in. It didn't sound like
he was in flight mode. It definitely sounded like he
was in engaging in a in an aggressive mode.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah. And he was a rescue from from downstate Illinois
where he worked on a farm. So he you know,
he you know, worked, he was a working dog before
we you know, adopted him, so we know that. I mean,
he that was not just kind of that was something
he knew what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Interesting. Thanks for sureing that.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, so we we brought it up, and then we
kind of skipped over what was what Why was the humor.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So important in this book?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Well, I mean, I guess I would say, I I
think I'm a pretty funny guy. I think it. I
think writing humor comes pretty naturally to me. And uh
and so I think that that was just you know,
when I when I conceived of those two characters, Virgil
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and Jute, kind of the two main protagonists of the story,
I wanted them to kind of have a sense of humor,
you know, with each other, I think, And you can
tell me if you feel otherwise, But I never wanted
the humor to come at anyone's expense, Like I'm the
humor isn't necessarily supposed to kind of be mocking anyone.
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I just I just I just find that, you know,
I found that, you know, writing them with the you
know them kind of embracing humor was a way to
kind of humanize met.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Us with you like reading uh, before I got a
feel for for your story. My fear was that at
some point that that humor was going to be directed
at bigfooters or you know, it never was. Yeah, it
was just humor for the sake of common every day.
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I mean, like my engagement with my girlfriend. I mean,
we're more smart asses to each other and we say
silly shit, and yeah, you know, it was it was
just that.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, you know, and and and Virgil and Jude, they've
they've been friends since they were kids, right, and and
and so I wanted them to just you know, like
when you kind of are hanging out with your some
old friends, like you just kind of there's that kind
of mode that you you adopt. But but yeah, that
was one thing that I was certain when I wrote
this that I would never want to do is kind
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of make fun use humor in any kind of negative
way toward their beliefs or toward what they're doing. You know,
if anyone I think kind of gets gets maybe a
little bit uh you know, kind of taken down a peg,
it would be the the kind of the the doctor
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Bernard character, who's this kind of he's a famous bigfoot researcher.
But he's also now kind of decided that he wants to,
you know, uh, kind of prove that that all of
this bigfoot stuff is nonsense. So I think if anyone
kind of gets taken down a peg, I would hope
it would be him. That was my intention.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Anyway, what is it about? Because like, Okay, so I
guess we'll talk about movies for a second. Sure you
know there are not very many good bigfoot movies. Yeah,
I agree, there are a handful, maybe a handful and
a half that range from very good to pretty good. Too,
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then you just got you know, just trash. Yeah, but
what do you think it is about, like your your
experience writing a fiction.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Novel about bigfoot?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, and versus the documentaries, because you say that you're
you're very much into bigfoot culture, and I assume that
means finding Bigfoot expedition, Bigfoot documentaries, small town all.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Town monsters, all their stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, So what do you think it is about you
being able to write a fictional story versus like what
what we typically get in documentaries.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, that that's actually a really great question. Probably it
stems from the fact that I'm not great at writing
nonfiction I just my preference is always to write fiction.
But I knew for the longest time that I wanted
to write a book about bigfoot, right, And and that
was in a way, I mean, that was a really
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big challenge, probably my biggest challenge, which was just figuring
out what is my what is my avenue into this story, right,
Because like you said, I think, with a few exceptions,
there are a lot of pretty bad Bigfoot movies out there, right,
And I think that they tend to fall into one
(40:24):
of two camps. One is kind of like a kid's movie,
like a kind of a humorous kids movie, like a
Harry and the Henderson's or kind of a flat out
horror like horror genre, right. And you know there's a
few kind of maybe that that mix in some of
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that here and there, or mix them up a little bit,
or or try something different. But I and so so honestly,
I mean, and I'm not joking, Eric when I say
for years I kind of felt like I was this
air planes circling the airport, trying to figure out how
I wanted to land this this book. And I wrote
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various pieces of it years and years and years ago,
and kind of just hung on to them, and I
didn't know how it worked. But then what I realized
is is I think my way into this story was
to talk about the people who are fascinated by Bigfoot
and who are looking for Bigfoot. And so it was
really once I kind of settled on my two main characters,
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Virgil and Jute, that I realized, oh, Okay, this is
the story that I want to tell. It's really, yes,
it's they're they're looking for Bigfoot. There is you know,
there is there that's happening. But really it's the story
about the kind of about family, about friendship, and uh,
you know, about kind of looking for things, right, you know,
(41:54):
in many ways, I think the best stories are all
about a search for the truth, right, whether it's a
mystery or a crime story or anything like that, it's
it's really about looking for the truth. And that's that's
once I kind of hit on that and realize that
what I wanted to focus on was the characters in
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this story. That was how I kind of found my way.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Into this interesting Do you believe in Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I do? I do. I don't ask me what it
is because I can't. I can't tell you, but I
believe that there is something out there that we don't
know what it is.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Something's leaving the footprints.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Something's leaving the footprints. Yes, people are seeing something, and
again I will I will allow, I will grant that
a lot of them are like well meaning people who've
misidentified something. I'm sure, right, sure, but not all of them,
Like I, I do not believe that's that all of
them have.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
I personally, I think that I have been guilty of
assigning human qualities to these things. Yes, so my my
thoughts on these creatures, entities, beings are that they are
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something much more closely related to us than a.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Undiscovered eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's right.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I mean, that's just that's and I think that's been
I think that's been a part of my my, my
learning and my you know, since the first time I
saw the Patterson Gimlin film I'm in search of. Yeah,
you know, it's just always been that for me. I've
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never I've never wavered, and you know, like the idea
of these things are just an undiscovered eight to me,
I don't know if that's like part of the mystery
that if that is what it is, it would be
ruined for me, because I want it to be something
that has a higher intelligence, has abilities that can not
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necessarily walk through portals and stuff like that. But you know,
that's what I want, and that's what I hope that
it is. I don't know if it is, obviously, but
that's my hopes.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Well, yeah, I mean that's that's really interesting, right, And
you just mentioned intelligence, right. I think that's a case where,
you know, our human tendency toward hubris really steps in
where we say, like, well, obviously we're smarter than a
(44:58):
big foot, right, Like, but what if we're like what
if what if this is a set of creatures that's
highly intelligent and they have just made very different choices
about how they want to live? You know, you know,
like what if what if Wales are far more intelligent
than we are?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (45:15):
But you know, it's just so like, I don't know,
it's certainly possible. We just assumed that we're we're the
smartest because we've got you know, iPhones, But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And I guess I think I would make the argument
that just about everything else is probably smarter than us.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
To go to to use the name of your book
in a little different context, the American mythology. You know,
how do you think that Bigfoot in UFOs.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Where do they fit in?
Speaker 1 (45:55):
How do they fit into the mythology that is America.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, you know, that's a really good question, right, I
mean I think that they are well, I think the
best myths are flexible and they are not stuck in
time or place. So they may represent different things at
(46:26):
different points in history, right, you know, whether it's uh,
you know, UFOs. You know, extraterrestrials may represent some kind
of you know, in the fifties probably represented or or
helped us understand our fear of the dawning nuclear age.
(46:47):
I think maybe, you know, Bigfoot in the seventies probably represented,
you know, our our downing sense of kind of ecological necessity,
the need to preserve you know, uh, you know, these
these wild places. But maybe they don't necessarily represent that
(47:07):
at this moment, right, And sometimes I don't think you
really know what they represent until the moment has passed.
I read I read somewhere that that myth is truth
without facts and and and so what it really does
(47:29):
is it kind of represents like a higher truth that
you know, so this kind of higher meaning that we
might be looking for.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
And I think, you know, you're walking right into this
because Okay, the follow up was going to be that
one of the takeaways from this book for me was
a very devout belief and and you're you're walking right
(48:00):
into to having a belief.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, honestly, Eric, I can tell you
I've worked on this book for a very long time.
I started the first draft in twenty nineteen, and probably
just maybe nine months ago submitted my final, final copy
edited draft to the publisher. And I think in many ways,
(48:28):
writing this book was kind of like a journey, even
though it's fiction. It was a journey of belief and
kind of opening myself up to the possibility all the
possibilities of things that are out there that maybe in
the past I would have dismissed. So yeah, no, I
(48:49):
think that's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
That was a we're right out about fifty five minutes,
and that I think was a great way to walk
into to that because belief, belief is is a is
a central.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
A central thing in this story.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And and so you know there there
are essentially five different primary characters that are going on
this expedition, and each one of them is kind of,
you know, starts with in one place of belief. You know,
you could look at it as a spectrum on you know,
complete skeptic to you know, complete and utter believer, and
(49:36):
they all kind of as the story goes along, they
all move and slide along that spectrum, right, and and
end up in some very very different places. So yeah,
I mean that was that was part of what I
wanted to do with these characters, is explore the nature
of belief, right, and and what does it mean to
to kind of to believe in things that that a
(50:01):
lot of people say, aren't there, right, that that might
make fun of you for saying that you believe in them?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (50:06):
What is that? What does that say about you?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
And how do you kind of rawish every time somebody
did that to me?
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Sure? Yeah, I'm sure. Well, I mean, you know, even
even until you know, rather recently, if if you had
asked me, you know, do you believe in Bigfoot? I
probably would have just kind of hemmed and hot and
and kind of like, well, you know, like but you
know it's so I've just kind of had to grow
to be comfortable. It's just saying that you know.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, it's it's funny because down here at the bottom
of my notes the last three words I have for
the end of the show, literally we're belief, nature and friendship.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah. Wow, that really is that. That is a perfect
distillation of what I was going for. That really is.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah. Interesting. Sometimes sometimes things really happen for a reason. Giano,
It's been a wonderful hour spent with you. Super happy
to have made your acquaintance. American Mythology comes out July fifteenth.
Terrific book if you're if you're into the subject, if
(51:22):
you're into fiction. It was it was a lot of fun,
it really was. Release date again July fifteenth, July fifteenth,
websites where they can get it anywhere.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I mean they can get it Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
local bookstores, you know, anywhere.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
And you said that was going to be available in hardback, paperback,
e book and audio.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Who Did You Get Back?
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Won't be released for some time, so it's it's hard
hardcover ebook and an audiobook will be July fifteenth, and
there it's available for pre or.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Now, why did you contact me when you were looking
for somebody to do the audio book?
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Well, I mean, you would have been perfect.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
I would love to do it. I'd love to do it.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
My parents really wanted me to do the audio books,
so they even yeah, but I don't think I probably could.
It's it is, I mean audiobook, it's an art form
that the narrators. It's really I'm in awe of those.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
All right people.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Social media again, uh, for anybody that's trying to get
ahold of you.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, Instagram is Giano Cromley, Facebook Giano Cromley. Uh uh,
let's see on X I'm Giano c And yeah, so
if you just if you just google my name, it's
a it's a it's an uncommon enough name that it's
pretty googleable google able. Yeah, I just made that up.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Giano.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Thank you so much for being here. Love the book, everybody.
I highly recommend this book. It has the best of
everything in it and honestly, I don't think you'll be disappointed,
So go out and get it. July fifteenth, Giano, thank
you so much for the time. I appreciate having you
on this show, and I appreciate you listening to the show.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
That's very mattering.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
So yeah, I love it. And Eric, thank you for
having me on this has been a real, real treat,
so I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
It's been a pleasure, my friend. Great good night, Great
good night.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
Take care
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