Ron Morehead and Scott Nelson The Sierra Sounds Simpatico ep182

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notes below. I've got a great show for you guys tonight.
If you've been paying any attention to the sounds and
the background of this intro, that should be a clue
for you. It's a show that I've been very excited
about putting together now for probably over a year, maybe

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even a little bit longer, but we are finally able
to do it, get it all put together, everything lined up.
We've got two guests for you tonight. They kind of
go hand in hand at this point, not necessarily holding
hands and skipping down the lane way together, but they
are pretty much synonymous with each other, coming back again

(02:13):
for the third time to the show as author and
adventurer mister Ron Morehead. You know the man. He's responsible
for bringing us the Sierra sounds. He's been in this
world of Bigfoot for over fifty years now and his
name is pretty much synonymous with the topic. But that's
not all. I also have for you a distinguished retired
US Navy crypto linguist whose career spent over thirty years

(02:36):
in the fields of foreign language and linguistics, an expert
in analysis, communications and language transcription. Mister Scott Nelson is
also with us tonight. We're going to delve into the
relationship that is formed between these two men because of
those well known recordings and how they've reshaped the perceptions

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of both these men. So if you're ready, let's get
into it. So if you would please give a warm,

(03:23):
uncomfortable welcome to mister Ron Moorehead and mister Scott Nelson. Gentlemen,
welcome to uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Thank you, happy to be here.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Feeling very uncomfortable. I'm feeling very uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
That was a golf clap in the background, if you
guys couldn't hear it. Gentlemen, thanks so much for doing this.
This is something Ron, I think I've talked to you
about this probably over a year ago, and we're finally
able to get it. Get it together. Sierra sounds. I

(03:58):
mean when I say it's synonymous with Bigfoot, that's not
an exaggeration. It's about as well known as the Patterson
Gimlin film, depending on what area that you're trying to investigate, right,
you know, the finding pictures and videos or whether or
not you're trying to come up with sounds. So Ron,

(04:20):
if you would quickly just go through, you know when
it happened, how it happened, and then we'll get into
Scott's end of the story as far as how he
found the sounds, and we'll go from there.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Sure, we'll started for me in nineteen seventy one all
the rep hinters and went up on a mountain with them.
When we came out with this, I heard the story
about some momster being up there. He was raised very religiously, doubled,
and he just ran out the next day soon as
talking about what he got out of there if you

(04:57):
heard these things, and he didn't know what to do
with it, so he just left because he was very
religious and didn't know where to put it in his paradigm.
And it just didn't make sense. So why is one
roll back? So I went back where him. He wouldn't
go back by himself at all, and anyway we walked
in him. He was black a meal. Anyway, he about
killed me in and I thought I was in shape.

(05:19):
I was in shape, but not for that altitude, for
that distance and kind of climbing. So anyway, that's how
I got started, started running back and offic I could
I gets some bugger with me. But we started taking
the tape records in and started recording these ANGI when
they came around our camp eight miles of Willingness, about

(05:40):
eight eight four hundred pet elevation, they dows and just
a very imposing area to get to. It was really
nice once you.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Get there, So you didn't just happen to be lucky
enough to have a record any recording equipment with you
when they started happening, you started taking recording equipment up there,
because this stuff was happening on a fairly regular basis, right.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I was seventy one, and Johnson brothers heard him before,
and they went back up with recorders and anyway, the
other guys on five them all together. I made six,
but then it went down to five when Donald wouldn't
go back anymore. So we always started taking tape of
course up with us. And I'll bury you really we
probably invited him in nineteen seventy two, and he's one

(06:27):
that really fostered the studies at the University of Wyoming,
and he also did the run around trying to get
somebody to go an unbiased professional opinion about the sounds,
and it showed that they were slowed up, speed it up,
slowed down. There's no sixty cycle home. And he went
above and below the average human range. This is doctor

(06:48):
Curlings your own report in the book Man Like Monsters
on Trial and anyway, he said they represented least one
bite of it. They represented animal right foot tall. Well,
that kind of puts it out of human perspective. Who
doesn't it? Who does it? Well, I'll bury one of
the guys. He's a guy who was investigated. He was

(07:09):
looking for a hoax, couldn't find one. But he'd gone
to doctor leave him and Brown University and asked doctor
leave him. He would take one doctor believe him as
a cognitive research who studies cognitive abilities and primates. And
he said only humans. So that when we're only humans
have a vocal mechanism for cognitive language, we're talking now

(07:33):
sapient language. And that's where he can pronounced this about
any word that you hear. That's what our brain does
for us. And there wasn't until two thousand and eight
actually when actually Scott Nelson, who's with us today too,
he heard these sounds by accident when he's looking for
something for a side which he can talk about him in.

(07:54):
But he he had he thought he heard a speech
in it. And of course we knew they were talking
to each other up there, but we thought that everything communicates.
I mean, dolphins communicated, whales municate, just everything. You see
spools of face running around all together, walks of birds
around all together. How are they communicating? Well, they're not
talking to each other. How's that happened? It's not with

(08:15):
the same vocal mechanism that we have. We have some
very unique here. So it's undrestmate. I didn't I didn't
know that when all this is going on. But anyway,
doctor Leebman thought it was a it was a former
student trying to catch you in a trap or something,
because he said he wouldn't he wouldn't study him. And

(08:35):
so anyway, I finally found doctor Kurlin at the University
of Wyoming take them unbiasedly, so he would do his
opinion if there was anything wrong with I just wanted
to know. He was an investigative reporter. I had a
master's degree in science, so he's a pretty smart guy.
And uh him and I became friends. After all this
was over over l.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
L actually L actually took an opportunity to go through
all your guys bags and stuff while you were out,
didn't he trying to find some mode of how you
were hoax on it?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah? I could. Yeah, I can't find anything because we're
way back of nowhere anyway, and it's kind of a'd
be pretty difficult for anyone to get back there and
pull this off with that lead's no kind of sign
besides their tracks, and that's all they left us with
the Prince you compose granted here and there and uh
so anyway, I'll i'll stopped. He couldn't. You couldn't find

(09:34):
the hoax anywhere. And if I thought it was I
read the correspondence between Peter Burne, Alberry and uh Crypto
English back to Eastier Ivan Sanderson, and they all thought
it was something I posed him. I was like when
Laura Johnson wrote the twenty three page later two Ivan

(09:55):
Serson and Avid Serson. I thought through the corresponds that
I heard. I thought it was about somebody's bulls of
his legs. I said to Peter Burner was in the
organ at the time, and Peter uh said the same
thing in a letter to Alberry and said, if you
guys want to talk to these guys, go ahead in
one of your area. But he was away of an Oregon.
I wasn't ready in California. So he came down and

(10:17):
talk to us, and we ended up taking it in
and I he said it too. So he started experiencing
the same thing, and he got all wrapped up in it.
But he couldn't figure how anybody could be pulling that off.
And you could figure that out. He told me it
would be a lot easier if somebody just could fasten
me this thing. I hope to them to get out
of here. He couldn't explain. He couldn't explain it the

(10:40):
way it was. You knows. We started experiencing some unusual
phenomena too, and I read about that my my books.
Well that's what caught me into a quantum theory because
I don't have it A mess's agree. And in a
costical science which is joining physics sixteen eighty seven, he
he said, you got to stay with science. What do

(11:01):
we do? Don't there or crazy sever going on up?
People don't talk about it because you cannot get invited.
Who want to talk anywhere. We would not start going
talking about this stuff. But we kept all that close
to our chest, just because if I laughed about Bigfoot
in those days, you know, with theough of us laughing
going on the horses. How we got professionals on board
with it, and a lot of people are seeing these

(11:22):
things and seeing the same phenomena that we were wait
to seek up there to the camp. They just got.
It's well known now, and uh, it's pretty much. I
think I've established in my last book, Bigfoot Unveiled, that
they have to have a healing component. And I say
that without any apologies. If you've got doctor curR And

(11:42):
says it represents that I'm all ready foot tall. You
got Scott Nelson saying it's a language by the human
definition of language, and you've got Philip Lieberman and Brown
University is saying only humans have that ability. It has
to put a human component to me, and you've got
two genetics as who had a dat thumbs down by
academia because of a human opponent in it. Well, no,

(12:07):
I think I'd be a been a wise up because
this physicists are right when it was about seventeen thousand
feet then, butan about b Utan and the HLAs and
the other there was a doctor ketch him in the
Texas had underneath samples taken here. So anyways, Uh, it's
gotten quite a bit going on, and nobody's able to

(12:28):
debut this stuff because it just because real number one.
And uh it's anyway, I never thought a fifty years
ago I'd be doing what I'm doing right now. You not, Eric,
but I think you. I like talking about it.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm thrilled to have you on again. It's always conversation
with you is as far as the experience has been,
you know, fifty years plus. Do you do you look
at it as a whole? Do you look at it
as as a positive experience?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Absolutely? Yeah, I do. It's putably on a trial, on
a track of researching that I never would have been
on before, and just trying to find out how everything worked,
how the unknown it really works, and how we have
to try to find me everything's got an answer to it,
everything does, and what we experienced up that I had
to have an answer. So I started looking into quantum

(13:27):
theory and found out a doctor Christopher Bryer Westsex iss
A and m that ever come from the atom throughout
the cosmos works under quantum physics. Just we live in
our three dimensional environment, which we only have three three densities,
and that's what we live with, that's what we deal with.
Everything has to be major predicted and everything. It's Newtonian physics,
which were all learned in fifth grade, but you get

(13:50):
into quantum theory and it's it's out there, but it's
involved in everything we do, and it really gets a
little spooky.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
It does. It does get spooky. Mhm, it does get spooky.
That's there's some weird stuff, weird stuff, and it's you know,
I mean my show I've you know, over the last
four years, I cover everything from you know, I spoke

(14:26):
with a demonologist out of Callum Kalamazoo, Michigan. I spoke
with a reverend in the Church of Satan, which imagine
a Catholic Grace kid having a having a conversation with
a guy who heads up at church for Satan. That
was incredibly uncomfortable. But I don't shy away from that,

(14:50):
you know, I don't shy away from the the weird
stuff I've had experiences after my dad passed away, which
was obviously interacting with my dad had nine to ten
months after he passed away. So those things, you know,
I don't I've had enough experience where I don't feel
like I have to prove it to anybody. I enjoy
talking about it. I can still, I can still talk

(15:13):
to somebody who had a similar experience and pull things
from it and say, you know, that makes sense because
I had that happen too. But man, it is such
a it's such a different thing when you get into
the Bigfoot community and you start talking about the weirder
aspects of people's you know, I just spoke with with

(15:35):
Shane Corson, who, by the way, said to make sure
and say hi to you tonight. He and Todd Nice
both said to say hi to you guys. But you know,
Shane certainly had a wonderful conversation with him, but you know,
he he tends to steer away from talking about that
stuff because he hasn't experienced it. I I experienced some

(16:02):
some weird stuff, you know, And so I think it's
natural for people to to steer away from talking about
it if they haven't experienced experienced it. But yet, at
the same time, if you're throwing that out with all
the bath water, then are you actually taking a good
heart to look at everything you know and and I

(16:24):
think the answer is numb. I think you have to
take all that into consideration, right, it's part of the puzzle.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well, they should, but they think they've they've built the
paradigm around them in the box on the shoulders, and
they can't sway away from that. Their colleagues lose their funding,
they lose a lot of respects.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
It's I can interject something there, run and I I
can just say quickly, Ron and I. For the first
five years of our collaboration, we had an agreement that
we were not going to talk about the woo woo
of the worldly stuff, because at that time it was
just just speaking about the fact that they had a

(17:13):
language was way beyond where a lot of people wanted
it to go. So we had an agreement in all
of our for the first five years, all of our
expeditions to the Sierra camp and that stuff that happened
up there, and at all of our conferences where we

(17:33):
spoke together, we said, no, we're not going to talk
about this, right Ron, No, No, not yet.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
No.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
But there came a time, Ron will remember it. There
came a time I don't remember which conference it was.
We looked at each other in the audience, said, we
can't to try to keep this to ourselves, all of
to try to downplay this. It's starting to feel like

(17:59):
we're why. It's like a cover up. So that there
was there actually came a time in me and Ron's
collaboration where we looked at each other in the ard
said no, we can't. We have to tell the truth.
So that's all we've done ever since.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
And I think that's admirable. I think, well, yeah, half
of it.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
No, I know that I just didn't put everything out
there right, And I think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well I tried, because you didn't hear anybody but yourself
with your kids.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
True anyway, So Ron, one more question before I get
over to Scott. Had you had any at the point
that you had everything that you've released as far as
the CRRA recordings go, had you had and eyes on
experience up until that point? Had you had you actually

(19:07):
laid eyes on something in the woods or did that
happen after you had recorded? So you you had a
pretty good idea what you well, you had a good
idea what you.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, we thought well, I had a big foot. We
know that, and they were big, you know that. But
what they were we don't know to this day what
they are. And it might be a big, big type
of big foot, but it might just be your ating.
We don't know, because they it's so unique and so
different than what most people mostly we here are big
yell or scream they want it's a bigot or not.

(19:48):
It could be, but you know, in a way you
do that get evaluated by sound technicians see where it
falls on the craft with some of the type animal,
or or if it's unique in it's own right. But
I saw what made the sound when they made the
Semuri cry. Buy Bill and I were up there. We
went to the camp that night and all the supplies

(20:10):
in and I saw it run through the woods and
bright moon at night. It just wasn't dark yet, it
was just you know, dusk. And there was two of them,
I think, a male, I mean adolescent and a female
down by the creek down below, down below the camp
Scott and that's greed down there and not our spraguage

(20:32):
is right next to us. But and this big mail
made this big cry up behind me here and shot
down through the trees too way down it, which is
good hundred yards. And I saw it, and I mean
it was so fast and smooth and I couldn't but
no human could run like that. It looked so weird

(20:54):
running out through there. BI people definitely standing up. I
can't tell you any details about it, but.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Such a common common report. The movement of them is
such a such a it's always static, you know, it's
they're either standing rocking back and forth, or when they
are moving at any pace, it's incredibly fast and like

(21:24):
beyond organically fluid.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well, yeah, I would be later saying that's what I saw,
what I've never seen, and we're just interesting night. I said,
it was an interesting night.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Does it does it annoy you with all of the
attention that has been given been given to UFOs, u
A ps orbs, drones, everything that's in the sky. Does
it annoy you that they're they're going after trying to
prove this and and they've and they've got this other

(22:11):
thing that that's running around in our woods and and
showing itself to people for hundreds of years, if not more.
Is it a little annoying that why aren't they why
aren't they putting any effort research into it annoys me.
I want them, I want them to go. I want

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them to show both.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I'm not sure I want the government out there looking,
you know, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, good point, Oh, I I don't get annoyed, but
I I I think it all, it all happened when
it's supposed to, and they all let themselves don't want
they get good ready. I think there's some of the
negroes associated. I know there's a Negro associate, the ones
we dealt with them, and I don't know if it's

(23:02):
how they were made, what made them, what Alien might
have put geno X on or whatever. You're not to
the ad Let's see the DNA. They've been manipulated. I
think that a charge ride from a charger ride. But
I got the way back off my religious time, which

(23:27):
I was based on religion and how things came about
from the Bible, thinking that was older. It was, but
he was compentated because he also taught a comparative religions
in his classes. But I started looking into the way
back into Sumerian tablets, into the end off an airform texts,
and you get into how the stories really happened, and

(23:47):
it really combines very closely to what we read in
their bible. Just a lot of things have been manipulated
over the years, and so I don't have a problem
with talking about it. Just my issue is right, get
people to understand that there's more going on than what
you can see, feel, touch, or measure. And uh, I
measure as well. I mean, how far is it to

(24:08):
the universe? Come on, you can't measure everything? And uh
but Vitorian physics on that said, you got to repeat
it in the paper. I got a comment from a
guy here recently why Scott Nelson didn't put his findings
up to a scientific community. Let them, uh, let them

(24:32):
diagnose it, you know, formal paper, the peer review. That's
what I told him. I said, he's not going to
subject his work to some people that don't understand his work.
Scott Nelson as an artist, he's not. He's not a
regular linguist. Huh.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I'm not a scientist. Yes, I'm a language guy. I'm
just a language guy.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Uh. Anyway, it hasn't it hasn't bothered me at all.
People can do anything they want to. I saw what
I saw, I think what I think, and I say
what I want to say that's higher in my eighties.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Now, yeah, and we appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I don't care, but it's the truth. It's the truth. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
So Scott, let's let's move over to you now for
a little bit. At some point you come across these recordings,
go into that and uh.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
And it was a quite a moment of chance. My
son Stephen who who uh who Ron knows very very
well you and I were at my in my classroom
and he wanted to do a paper on bigfoot. Well,

(25:54):
he needed to do a paper. I should pick a subject.
There's a new thing called Google, and we'll google this out, right,
So he said, well, either bigfoot, UFOs or Lockness Monster.
I said, okay, well pick one. So he said, okay, Bigfoot.
So I literally googled bigfoot on my you know, my

(26:21):
my government school laptop, right and it came up. It
took me to the BFRO website, Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization,
and I said, that's awesome, you know. So we started
reading these reports and Stephen said, Dad, what do you

(26:42):
think bigfoot sounds like? And I have no clue because
I was never a bigfoot guy or a bigfoot researcher.
Grew up in a rocky mountain, so I heard a
lot of stories, but I was never into it. So
I did remember some seventies big raid Bigfoot movie said

(27:03):
oh Bigfoot sounds like this. Oh whatever, And Stephen took
a look at me and said and said, no, Dad,
that's not what Bigfoot sounds like. So I said, well,
let's google it. So I googled it, and I swear
to God that changed everything, because it took me immediately
to Ron's sounds on the bfro O. And what caught

(27:28):
my eye is the first thing it said was samurai chatter. Now,
to a language guy like me, chatter imply chatter is
not what squirrels do. Chatter is not what coyotes or
monkeys do. Right, Chatter implies language. So I clicked on

(27:50):
that and I heard, immediately for the first time, language
being spoken. Now, it was so fast, what we call
in linguistics the prosody, or the rate of deliverance, was
so fast that Stephen couldn't get it, but I heard

(28:12):
it because of all, I had already spent twenty years
in the Navy speeding listening to the human voice on
tape and speeding it up and slunging it down in
order to recover all of the phonemes and the sounds,
get it down on paper. So I think it was
that professional experience over all those years that allowed me

(28:35):
to hear something that my son could not hear. So
I played that first clip and I went back, and
Stephen could tell right away there was something going on
in my mind. I went back and I played it again,
and I went back and I played it a third time,
and Steven said, Dad, what's the matter? What are you doing?

(28:58):
And I told him right then there, I said, Steven,
there is language. There's language in these sounds. And he said, Dad,
what are you talking about. It sounds like coyotes fighting.
I said what I said, I know it does man.
You know, No, there's language, know Dad, It sounds like
monkey's fighting or something. And I told him right there,

(29:22):
I said, we need to get a hold of these
tapes and slow it down like Dad used to do
in the Navy. And that was it. That was it
that led me on a you know, a two three
week detective journey which I'm not a detective, but somehow,

(29:44):
you know, through a few phone calls, I found Ron
after about forty minutes on the phone and wrong. I
had him convinced that I was not another crazy guy.
And in three days I had two CDs in my mailbox.
I had Alan Berry CD and I had Ron's CD

(30:09):
in my mailbox and that started everything. But there were
three things there immediately that I could tell that are
you know, the foundation of everything that I present when
we go out and actually talk about this stuff. Three
things immediately I knew I was listening to a language.

(30:33):
Even though I couldn't slow it down, I could tell
right and immediately I could tell that it was not human.
No way in hell was a human. How did I know?
Nobody has listened except maybe the guy who trained me
in the US Navy after Chief Ralph Blessing might have

(30:55):
listened to more of the human voice on tape than
myself over the years. So I knew this was not
a human being the way that we just you know,
classified human beings, right, I mean, we can stain say
they're human like, but it was not us. And the

(31:17):
third thing that I knew immediately is that it was
not fake.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
And what was what was the telltale sign? What was
the telltale sign that it wasn't fake?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Quite a few things, actually, But the first thing that
I always talk about on that is my professional experience.
For twenty years, I was trained in the most deceptive
communication practices in the world. I was a Russian, I
worked the Russian problem. I was a Russian interpreter, Persian

(31:55):
and Spanish, so and the Russians all those years were
the very best that their deceptive practices. And I could
tell right then and there that no, this could not
have been faked. Now, there were a few other things
that were embedded in the sounds themselves that I knew
could not have been mass producer, could not have been

(32:21):
you know, faked by another human being or something like that. Right,
And this was before I knew. I had no idea
about doctor Curlin's report from nineteen seventy four, fourteen years
before I even got involved. No, no, no way more
than that, No, nineteen sitting on I'm sorry, nineteen seventy eight,
it was, his report was nineteen seventy eight, right, ron, Yeah,

(32:46):
So that was many years. That was many years before
I got involved, And so I was willing to go
on record and swear that this could not be fake.
This is before I knew that doctor Curlin had already
proven that Doctor Curlin was a doctor of sound specialty.

(33:13):
He was a sound specialist. I am not a sound specialist.
I'm a language guy. There's a difference there, Right, he
can get on air and to put all his equipment,
you know, and analyze it in that way. I didn't have,
you know, I don't have that ability or that capability,
and I've never been interested in that. I'm just a

(33:36):
language guy, and I could tell you immediately that it
could not be faked. And then later on, over the
years I have come up with other reasons why I
know it was not fake.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
How many how many hours? How many hours do you
think you've logged studying.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Several thousand, several thousand of Because my whole jaw for
twenty years in the Navy was the collection. First. We
collected right first, we collect the communications. As we collect it,
we tape it right. Then that's only the beginning of

(34:19):
all the work because then the analysts like myself, we
have to go back. We just have a raw tape
and in them days they were real, the real, right,
and we have to go back and transcribe it. That's
why I'm an expert in transcription is because of all
my hours that I put in actually transcribing this human

(34:44):
voice on tape. And so we transcribe it by in
those days, by speeding it up, slowing it down, getting
all of the single sounds, what we call phonemes in
the language, the single sounds, and we could transcrib. We

(35:06):
were taught to transcribe languages that we did not know.
We had to be able to transcribe these and send
them back, send a transcript back to NSA for the
analysts over there to take a second look at. So
we would spend I mean we would take something that

(35:28):
might last might take twenty five minutes, half an hour
to record it, and then we would go back into
the lab and we would spend four hours, five hours,
six hours in transcribing this to get it perfect with
all of our transcriber notes and everything else, before we

(35:52):
had a what we call a final product that we
would send back to NSA. That's why, that's why I
accrued so many hundreds and hundreds of hours of with
these on. This is what we call the cans. This
is our tool of the trade, the cans. And when

(36:16):
you're sitting there collecting, we called it sitting the cans.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
That I had. I mean, I'd had several people saying
they knew what these things were saying, but Scott Silver
what they're saying, but he knows it's a language. But
he was vetted through the Foreign Foreign Language Institute of Moderey, California.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
UH Defense Language Institute, Yes, the Defense Language.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
And I got a letter back and he said, he
said he's more than qualified, especially if it's a two
time graduate from that school. And he was is more
than qualified to transcribing unknown language. So that was a
big deal. And that really been some writing. Your guys
like that existed, And to this day, I don't know

(37:10):
that he really existed. It might just be a.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
So Scott in in the in the process of speeding up,
slowing down, isolating, were you able to come up with
what would be the equivalent to vowels or consonants.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Or yes, absolutely yours we have they. Yes. I authored
a uh an s op Okay, it's not a scientific paper,
it's a link. It's a language standards of procedure based
on UH military transcription standards of Procedure. I call it

(38:00):
the SPA or the Sasquatch phonetic alphabet, in which I
detailed every sound that I could detect and created a letter,
if you will, that represents that specific sound, and they
have over they see over forty forty consonants sounds and

(38:27):
about nine or ten different vowel sounds.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I just, I just I just had this hit my
brain here, so I gotta I gotta get it out
or I'm gonna forget sure. So if you have that,
if you have that broke down to the consonants and
the and the vowels, if you were to take those
and what Ron and al recorded and put that into

(38:55):
AI an AI generator, if you were know, I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Listen ahead, I know where you're going. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Do you have you already talked about this?

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
We actually had an argument over it, kind of because
Ron's like, why not Scott, And I'm like, no, Ron,
you can't do that because because your Hey, I.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Can only only deal with like I said it to
some somebody who was, hey, I knows all the languages
that exist right now, but Biffer is one of them.
It's all the languages in the world people that talk,
and would have to use those languages to trying to
figure out what this sound was, and it wouldn't match

(39:50):
up with him because it's just so unique language whatever
it is, so AI has not developed enough. I think
since you have ever done or compensator not or something before,
they can ever figure that out. But really the best
way to get find out what they're saying it's big
friends with and I want will come in and.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It's the only way. That's the only way. So Ron
brought this up to me on a podcast actually tell
him that says nay, Ron, just send me all your
taps and I'll translate it for you because I know
how to use AI. And I'm like, Ron, oh my god.

(40:36):
So we went over it for a few days. It's look,
AI can only give you. It's a it can only
search known languages and give you bits and pieces of
what might be in a certain language. It cannot it
cannot go into a completely unknown language. Well, and I

(41:01):
guess and this is what I actually have this because
I wrote this down because because I said, Ron, this
is what will happen. And sure enough I went on
the internet that very day and I found another podcaster,
but she called herself the hot Mess Mama, and she
had actually claimed, I swear to god, hot Mess Mama

(41:25):
and she claimed that she already translated several of the
Sierra sounds that they found on the bfr O network. Right,
so she goes, she goes on, she goes, Yeah, there
was Russian words, Korean words, there was some Azerbaijani and
some Indonesian. And I said, run exactly, this made my point.

(41:51):
So she said, yeah, I said a couple words in
Russian and then it turned changed to pasto Persian language,
and then it changed to and don't uh Russian in
the last and then she says, oh, and the last
word was the number seven in this hill country Afghani

(42:13):
language postle. And she said, oh my god, if there
were seven men on that mountain at that time, just
scares the hell out of me. And I'm going run. See,
this is how ridiculous. The whole idea is that you
can take a completely unknown language and just plug it

(42:34):
into it to Ai and it will just tell you,
it will just translate it all we'll see.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
And that's and that and that. The idea behind that
thought was I understand what you're saying, and I agree
with it one hundred percent. That it would not be
able to make sense out of a out of a
language that's not known. But I guess my thought was,
could it recognize enough that might help point to a

(43:07):
source language or something that was similar where you could
almost kind of form a thought of their language may
have originated in you know, Asia, or it may have
originated in Russia.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Or that is a good thought, however we get that
takes its straight into the whole idea of cognatic languages
or cognatic words and phrases. The problem that we've had,
because I am run in some cases together, we have

(43:44):
presented these tapes to people of every language group, virtually
every language in the world, and immediately what happens is
it's a process of potadolia, okay, where people will find, well,
they hear something that is totally random and foreign to

(44:07):
their mindset. But yeah, decry literally means you make you
try your The human mind has a great capacity to
do this, to attempt to make some sense of something
that makes no sense. So the first guy I took
it to was my best buddy at you know, uh,

(44:30):
Jerry Masuda, native Japanese guy. I took it straight upstairs
to him. I said, listen to this, Jerry, I said.
And the reason I took it to him. Is because
it was actually called Samurai Chatterer, right, and there is
that that guttural staccato who that we that we remember

(44:51):
from the Samurai TV show, you know, from the eighties
or whenever, seventies. So I took it to him and
he said, oh my god. He immediately recognized several words.
I said, so what is he saying? He said, I've
got no clue. He said, I have no clue. But

(45:12):
that was the first taste that I have had of
what was going to happen, in that every person we
played these sounds for recognizes some words, including English speakers.
If I played it for you now, you'd be going,
oh my god, he said. He said it's time for breakfast.

(45:37):
Oh my god, he said, hey, where's my beer? Woman?
Or you know, we would say I'm teasing now. But
so I played it for Cherokees. I played it for Cheyenne.
I played it for you Indians Shohshawne. I played it
for Chinese, my Chinese students, Persian people, Pashto. I played

(46:01):
it for everyone, and inevitably, every single one of them
comes up and says, oh my god, I hear my language.
So now I know that was a long answer to
a short question is could you find a root source
of a language?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Is uh?

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Not with Ai, we would have to do like Lntz.
And I've told him. You know, Ron's mantra constant from
the first time I met him is Scott. They were
trying to talk to us. I want to know what
they're saying. And I said, Ron, you know, and I
felt bad about it all these years. And Ron, we're

(46:46):
not going to know what they were saying until we
can sit down with them the way we did with
Amazonian tribes to recover their language. You cannot understand or act.
We translate a language without the confirmation of the speaker,

(47:08):
it's impossible to do it. So that's that's why a
lot of people get them are mixed up between the
idea of transcription and translation. So what I do is
transcribe it, get it all on paper, so that we
can prove that indeed it is a language by the

(47:29):
human definition of language. But to translate it, you know,
we're going way off the cognitive loop there.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Okay, So with what you've come up with, has there
ever been a time in your head you maybe maybe
you never spoke it out loud? Maybe you never told
Ron about it, maybe you never told anybody else about it.
Has there been a time where in your brain you

(48:05):
fashioned what you believe is being said, Yes, would you
share it?

Speaker 3 (48:16):
It's all over, it's all over. And because here's one
of the things that the Navy at least and the
Navy in the Marine Corps, what we were taught. In fact,
that guy I mentioned before, Master Chief Ralph Blessing, was
part of his curriculum that when you're sitting in the
cans and you're collecting this stuff, right, we're not just

(48:36):
listening to the words. We're listening to the emphasis. We're
listening to the emotions. We're listening to the inflections because
again in all languages and inflection can be either a
statement or a question. You have to know was it

(48:58):
a statement or was it a question? So we, yes,
we were taught to learn to listen to all of
those things. So yes, even when I present you know,
the tapes at conferences, there's places where I go, I
think she was they get into an argument, and I

(49:20):
believe they were getting into an argument as to how
are we going to go down and get that stew
you know, And yeah, there are things that we can say. Now, however,
you cannot come out and definitely, definitively say here is
the translation of what they were doing. Now, Ron and

(49:42):
I have been we've been inundated over the years. Oh,
you know, people contacting us or telling us the conferences. Oh,
I know exactly what they were saying, because it's in
my grandfather's Cherokee language. They were saying whatever you know.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
No, so.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
It's it's all speculation.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
You think. You think the brunt of the conversation was
how how in the hell are we going to get
that food?

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Well, I think I think part of it go ahead.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
They might have been looking for the salt and pepper
to put on us. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Absolutely well. To me, in one part of it, it
sounds like the juvenile and the and the female are
talking very calmly about, hey, I'm hungry, mom, let's go
get some you know, against speculation, I'm hungry mom, let's go. Hey,
let's go get that food. They're they're telling us to

(50:51):
come get it. They're saying, hey, biggie, come get some dinner.
Right now. That's an invitation in any language, right, So,
I think the juvenile and the female we're talking about
doing that, and then the male comes in and he
gets pissed. He goes off on the female and then

(51:14):
she hollers back and they holler about so, I'm, you know,
in my speculation, and I think she was arguing, look,
let's just go hit the damn food, and he's like, no, God,
damn it, I'm the I'm the head of the sam
away and we're gonna do it my way, you know. Really,

(51:34):
So I mean, yes, so, yes, there is are those
speculations all over then. I mean there's parts where on
Al's tape, there's parts where there's an aircraft flying over.

(51:55):
There's an aircraft flying on it obviously a military jet
because it was flying too low. So it's flying over,
and the big male, bigfoot, he goes off. He starts
screaming and poundish it and screaming, you know, like so
even Al said this, and Ron they said that, boy,
it sure sounded like he was pissed off about that

(52:18):
aircraft flying so low. And I listened to it. I
have to say, man, yeah, you don't have to hear
specific meanings of words to know.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
That even.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Right, But translation though.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Do either of you guys do you think that there's
a good possibility that even though we don't know what
they're saying, we don't understand their language. Do you think
they have a better understanding of what we say?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (52:58):
And how do you make that out? And how would
that come about?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Well, it makes vibration.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Go ahead, ron, go ahead, run.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Well, let's gets into my quantum theory, because I think
if you get on the right vibration, you find the
right frequency of anything you can you can understand it
and change it. Actually, and that's Einstein. It says that
comes from Paul Directs in nineteen thirty three antimatter, the
equation which won the Nobel Prize, And it's antimatter, and

(53:30):
it means energy and matter can interchange. Weird energy at
the most minute form and it can change. We will
change because energy can't die. So when just biological body dies,
it changes form. And that's where it all theoretical becausis

(53:50):
go with that equation. Determine that Einstein went with it.
He wouldn't expect it on know what he's going to
turn into, but we all got her into something. Some
day you burn a table, or to burn whatever you
want to do, it's coud change forms and if you
define the frequency of anything, you can change its matter.
I think these things have the ability to turn into

(54:12):
your frequency. That's how they talk to some people. I
don't think they could talk to me that way because
I'm too analytical. I'm very analytical, and I if I
can hear what so at that time I think was
another analytical Now because I think I understand what, I
don't know what they're trying to ask me. That definitely
a couple of questions in there, and I had to

(54:32):
this day to know what they're asking me. It might
be they might be are you going to be on
Eric showing twenty five? Well, so light up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
The way I normally answer that question is that it
is not It would be natural for them to understand
way more of our language, because especially for a species
who's the sole means of survival is the avoidance of humans.
That's the only way they survive is to avoid us.

(55:08):
Other way, what would we do to them? Right, So,
they are so as far as we you know, the
research community will say that they are so observational, and
it means it's so important to them. So it would
make perfect linguistic sense that Spanish for one. Spanish has

(55:32):
been on this continent for five hundred and fifty years,
so it would be natural for them to speak or
to understand quite a few Spanish words. English has been
on this continent for four hundred and fifty years, right,

(55:53):
so it would be very natural for them when it's
their sole means of survival is to is to observe
and almost make mental notes. What does it mean? I
would think they would know how to They would know
what we meant when we set a gun, go get
your gun, or kem whatever I would say. Or food, food,

(56:18):
simple words food.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
There's a lot of information from Native Americans that say
they crossbred with their indigenous people and they've taken their women,
and that's grow way back, a long way. And if
that's the case, then some of them could have picked
up some language and something like that. You know, if
they took a twelve year old girl or something like

(56:43):
that at thirteen and raise them in their culture, their
their language, if she would have known them, but she
would have also known her language, and that maybe how
some of them picked up because I'd maybe a lot
of our hybrids from that, like my grandmother's sister back
the eighteen nineties, they got if she got kidnapped by

(57:03):
naval American I mean by a native tribe, and uh,
the university far after that. I was really one of
our family stories and h So if they do that,
I have no doubt that they do, because Navy or
says they do. And and you got the Patterson track,
and you look at the tracks a lot my tracks

(57:23):
up there, the tracks that we've seen in the year
after year are different. They're more splayed, they're bigger, they
have five toes of right a cough like that, where
the Patterson track is more human like, I really impressive
arch on it, and they've got toes that signed it down.
It's like ours very human like. I think that was
a hybrid up there, and well, we're all hybrids. You

(57:46):
really want to get into the physics send it or
the biological part of it, because something made us gave
us what we have. Anyway, I ran a lot about
this for a long time.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I almost wonder. I've got two theories prevailing thoughts, call
them whatever you want. One is like so many people
report that that cloaking nobility, that that they can disappear,

(58:20):
they can blend in. And you know, I think We
probably touched on this back when we were talking about
your book, Ron, Like, if these if these creatures, if
their vocal mechanism is that powerful that they can reach

(58:41):
higher than the human level and lower than the human
level as far as going into the infrasonic area, if
they have that kind of control over their voice and
they can change frequency.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
M M.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I wonder if it's not that they're necessarily changing their
frequency so that they can't be seen, as much as
producing a sound frequency that disrupts the way we perceive
what we're seeing, making them harder to harder to recognize,
harder to see.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
They have to say again, Ron, I say, we know
the frequency of light, and they would have to change
that frequency so that we wouldn't see them life terrors.
That's all the frequency we see in life frequency. And

(59:45):
if they can manipulate that, what you're saying, could could happen,
Maybe munificate that within us they can find that frequency.
Maybe they know that frequency. I don't know how they
do what they do. I mean, yeah, so many things
that we don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
It's it takes me back to a documentary. I don't
know that it was a full length documentary. It was
a show. It was about sound frequency stuff like that.
There were two gentlemen that I remember, and they both
worked in the sound industry and they were trying to

(01:00:19):
kind of break the code of what Stonehenge was. So
they were granted permission to take a bunch of their equipment,
a bunch of amplifiers and speakers into the middle of Stonehenge.
They were able to set everything up and what they
did was they turned their their speakers to the large

(01:00:40):
megalithic pillars that make up Stonehenge, and then they went
from playing all the known frequencies through their equipment, and
you know, obviously there were high frequencies that they couldn't
even detect with the human ear. Then there were frequency

(01:01:00):
that were causing him pain because it was it was
within our hearing range, but it hurt to listen to it.
And then they as they continue to work their way down,
when they got into the subsonic frequencies of where where
infrasound lives, the one gentleman what had to leave. He

(01:01:20):
had they had to abandon the uh the experiment because
he got very ill and during the during the interview
when they were talking about the things that he was
experiencing at that time. He said that his vision became
very blurred and everything, the shapes of everything started to

(01:01:44):
alter because of the vibration that was in his hu,
in his uh, in his head, his ocular orbits, and
and I always kind of go back to that, and
it's like, if these things are as powerful and I
I did an interview with a woman. My listeners will
will recognize this from my fifth episode. She was a

(01:02:07):
Native American. She was She was presented to me as
a Native American witch, which at the time I thought
meant like a shaman or a medicine woman. But she
was actually a Native American practicing witch. And there were
a lot of weird things happened that night, but one

(01:02:29):
in particular was that she early early in the evening.
Long story short, I wanted to call this episode. I
wanted to find a hook to get people to want
to listen because this was only my fifth episode. So
I said I was going to name it Dinner with
a Witch, date Night with a Witch. And I actually

(01:02:51):
she only lived about thirty minutes away from me, so
I offered in order to get the interview. I said,
I can bring my equipment if it makes it easier,
and I can. I can do this, you know, at
your leisure. And she took me up on that invitation. Yeah,
I just lost my light. No I can't, nobody can
see me. So early on we had we had gone

(01:03:18):
down the road from our house and it was a
curve about a ninety degree curve, and it had one
of those metal railings, you know that would keep cars
from driving off the road, and it was wooded area.
And she said, real quick, just pull over here. So
I pulled over and she got out of the car.
My window was rolled down, and she goes, that's where

(01:03:39):
my big boy lives. And I said, your big boy
and she goes, yes, Seti. Set I. Well, the only
thing I ever knew SETI was you know, search for
extraterrestrial intelligence. But she claimed that Seti was an Egyptian name,
and she named the sasquatch that lived on that property,

(01:04:02):
she named him Seti. And you know, I'm into all
this stuff, but at a point you kind of okay, sure. Yeah. Well,
she stood a few feet away from my car, as
I said, the window out her door was open, and
she put her hands up to her to her mouth,

(01:04:23):
and she did a whoop and one came back out
of the woods and I was like, come on, no way,
And so then we went. We had dinner. We took
it as an opportunity to get know each other so
we'd be more comfortable in the conversation. We got done eating,

(01:04:45):
we went back to her house. We set up everything
to record, and I don't know, maybe a half hour
into it, we were in this room and the one
wall of this room was all windows from left to right.
It was probably the twelve to fifteen feet of nothing
but windows from Florida ceiling. And it looked out over

(01:05:06):
a over some farmer's acreage. But right out that window
across the street. You know how farmland they'll keep like
an acre where it just it'll still have trees and
maybe a pond. I don't know if that's left that
way to help wildlife or what. But there was one
of those areas about an acre square outside her window

(01:05:30):
on the other side of the street. And she was
talking about all these different things, and she was talking
about her practicing of witchcraft and all this stuff, because
she wasn't just a Native American chaman. She was literally
a practicing witch And she was in the middle of
a sentence, and she was just getting to the end

(01:05:51):
of pronouncing the word and to continue her sentence, and
there was the loudest, bombastic noise and Scott I was wearing,
we were both wearing cans like you're wearing. It happened.
I pulled my earphones off. She turned around and looked

(01:06:15):
at the window. I was looking at the window, and
then she looked back at me, kind of with a
smile on her face, and I said, what the hell
was that? And I immediately got chills. And when I
tell you, I had goosebumps.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
It was on the knuckles of my fingers, it was
on my torso, it was on my back, it was
everywhere down to my toes. And she said, did you
hear that? And I was like, hell, yes, I heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
It was so loud, so loud, And in the immediate
thought that went through my brain, I had two thoughts.
First first thought was fuck, I left my gun out
in the car. And the second one was shit, I
got forty pounds of dog food in my back seat.
I have no idea, no idea why those two things

(01:07:07):
came into my mind, but that's exactly what hit my brain.
And those those goosebumps, those chill bumps, they kind of
it didn't take too long, and they kind of dissipated,
but then it came back, only it wasn't it wasn't
so strong, and then it dissipated again, and then it

(01:07:29):
came back again and it was it was less strong.
The third time. It did that like four or five times,
and it was like a wave. We left, We got
done with the interview. Some other weird things happened, not
related to that, but she walked outside with me. I
was loading my equipment back into my car. And as

(01:07:49):
I was putting my equipment into the back seat of
my car, next to the dog food, she stood at
the hood of my car and looked back towards the
back of her property, which which was wooded, and at
one point, not too far back there, it kind of
went down into a little bit of a ravine where
there was a decent river, a wide stream, I guess,

(01:08:12):
i'd say, and then the other side of that stream
went straight up. It was all wooded. She stood there
at the hood of my car. She put her hands
up like this again and she goes whoop, and about
five or six seconds later, maybe ten seconds, there's a
woop comes out of those trees, and then a couple

(01:08:33):
seconds later, off to my right, much further off in
the distance, I hear another one, and I was like,
what the hell now, Ron, this happened about twenty five
minutes away from the brewery that you spoke at Bigfoot
and Bruce for me at it was that close to

(01:08:56):
where we were at, and I got in the car.
The road was very s curves, a lot of S curves,
and it was dark. I would not turn my bright
lights on because going through each of those curves, my
headlights would go into the woods and I didn't want

(01:09:20):
to see a set of eyes staring out at me.
I called. I called my son and I said, holy shit, dude,
I said, you got to talk me off a ledge here.
I said, I don't know what the hell I just experienced.
I have no fucking idea what just happened. And he's like,
what are you talking about? So I started describing it,

(01:09:40):
and he's like, well, what did it sound like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
What was this? What was that? What was this?

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
He just started asking a bunch of questions, and I
was very frustrated because I couldn't really describe what it
was I heard. All I could do was really describe,
like how it made me feel, and then the the
waves of the goosebumps. All I could say was it
was very loud, and you know, I got I kind

(01:10:08):
of got annoyed with him. I yelled at him. I'm like, God,
damn it, I don't know what it was, you know,
I'm just trying to figure it out. And I got home.
It was it was late, it was around eleven o'clock.
But I immediately took my my recording device and I
put the the recording onto my computer and I found
the spot and I got I got to that spot
and I isolated it and I played it. Now, I

(01:10:32):
had over a thousand dollars worth of recording equipment in
that room with that woman, and that that was so
loud that I ripped the headphones off my head because
it was jarring. And what recorded on the on the
recording was a very slight little that's all you heard.

(01:10:53):
And you hear our reaction to it. You hear me
say what the hell was that? And she goes, isn't
that cool? That was him? And I'm like, where the hell,
where the hell is all the noise Where's where's the
loud bombastic?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Just jarring?

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Holy shit?

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
He wasn't there? And the really really really really weird thing,
and I don't know that I've ever talked about this
is when I isolated that MP three, that audio file.
I didn't even save it as a wave. I've got
it on my computer as a wave, but I saved
it as a small MP three file because I wanted
to send it to my son so he could hear

(01:11:31):
what I was talking about on your iPhone. I saved
it as a file, And if I were to hit
play on it and hold it like this, you can
barely you can barely hear it's there. If you didn't
know it was there, you would probably miss it. But

(01:11:52):
if you took this phone and you took it ten
feet away from me and listen to it to yourself,
I would be able to hear it better than holding
it up to my ear. And that doesn't make any
sense to me at all. And the reason I found
that out is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Is there any chance your recorder could have a limiting
factor on figured out like that where there's a lot
of drops in check that out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Well, what you really experienced was the wave was the
wave that you described, and it was way more loudly
and I mean you felt an eternally where it was
not audible.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
YEP. I think that's what it was, Scott. I really do,
because it took me like three or three or four days,
and all of a sudden it hit me. I was like,
holy shit, I got zapped. That's what people are talking
about when they they talk about being zap, because you
hear people talk about it, and I'm like, what the

(01:13:03):
fuck do they mean?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
What does that mean? What is zap?

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I mean zapp sounds electrical. But then I started thinking
about the goosebumps and the hair standing up and coming
in waves, and I was like, holy shit, that's that's
kind of like an electrical charge, like a static discharge,
you know. So I don't know it was. It was
ultimately bizarre and still one of the weirdest things I

(01:13:29):
ever had happen. I wish, I wish, like how I
could figure it out and explain, but I was glad
to have the experience. But it's been it's been frustrating.
So wow, so oh interesting what I'd like to do now?

(01:13:50):
And I almost what's that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
No, I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
No, I have not. I've I've had a couple of
offers to go back out onto that property. She doesn't
live there anymore. I don't know who owns that property,
and I'm not willing to just go out with anybody
and and run the risk of getting caught on somebody
else's property. You know, I I don't know even at

(01:14:20):
the time that she lived there. Obviously I know that
the property she was on, but like the woods where
where she claimed that it lived, I don't know whose
property that is. You know, to me it looks like
it's part of the farmland or something. But regardless it
would be it would be an interesting trip, I believe,

(01:14:43):
but I would want to do it. I would want
to do it legally and with the people's knowledge that
that owned the property. So having haven't had these experiences, Ron,
you you out there in the sierras. You you you've
seen things moving through the forest quickly. You've you've heard
these things. You've recorded them. Scott, you find them by chance,

(01:15:05):
you get you get Ron to send you the CDs.
You spend thousands of hours studying this stuff. What I'd
like to know from each of you is Ron, you
you go first with what you found out through Scott's

(01:15:26):
interpretation of of these things. How did that change? Obviously,
you guys became friends because you're you know, your buddies,
You've you've gone up there together, you you you do
shows together. How did it change you getting the confirmation

(01:15:48):
from Scott that this this was indeed a language, and
what did it do to the shift in your paradigm
as far as you're belief of what these things were
or are were ongoing now?

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
At the time, it didn't make much different so other
than hey, there's somebody special here that says their language. Well,
we knew they were talking to each other, but we
didn't realize this city. I didn't realize this significance of
the language until I kept going further, further further. This
has kind of been an outgoing process with me just
trying to learn more about how things happened that we

(01:16:20):
were witnessing up there. But at the time we were
up there, I had no idea what we're dealing with
other than just some big, big, big ape that you
have to communicate with each other. I didn't realize the
significant of speech and I do now, and a lot
of other things I would have done differently now that
I didn't do then, And I just just underestimated these things,

(01:16:43):
thinking they were just some big ape out there in
the woods. And that's why a lot of prouds are
still think that's why they're putting up these trump Hams
and all that stuff. Well, true, camp companies were getting
pretty rich off this, but it doesn't take anything any
lucky way these times. With Well, maybe they'll get lucky.
I don't know, but I don't believe in trying to

(01:17:04):
trick them start with. I just want to find out
more about them, because I think what we're dealing with
it there was something very very unique and very special,
and I think they're trying to tell us maybe how
special we are as humans because they can't do what
we do. We can't do what they do. They don't
pay taxes, they don't a school, but they know more

(01:17:28):
about how to live than we do. Probably, uh, whatever
they are, they're special. But we have been getting to
the dominion on this planet to do over will. Unfortunately
a lot of people choose and try to shoot one.
They're bringing the bigger buck.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
But you know, how do you how do you feel
about that prize?

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
I don't like it. I mean, I wouldn't do it.
We weren't going to shoot one player unless we were
attacked or something like that. But we realize that are
going to happen. We've already happened. They can throw rock
nuppers right off one of those ventures logs that we said,
set on up there. Uh No, I think that's uh.
I think, well, if you want to listen to just

(01:18:15):
In Jamaya I think it's his name in California, just
north of where our camp was, well several miles or
he claiming shot one and his interview he listen his
interview Tennessee is too believing, but he never found the body.
They never could find the body.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
And just.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
You know, I think when there are three dimensional density
like we are right now, they have to respond and
live by our three dimensional rules. That means they can
be shot, They do, eat, they poop, they pro create,
they do everything that we do within in our world.
But can they get out of it through frequency? That's
because can they get out of it some other way? Personally,

(01:18:57):
I think some of them can. I don't think it
all the same at all. Like I say, the patterns
in Big Cred, I think with a remnant of the
cross breaded. It did just people more than once, and
a lot of them are that way. And I think
a lot of them maybe don't even talk to anyone.
Maybe they're just scream and yell for their kids. I

(01:19:17):
don't know, but I don't forget too close over to
you're a female with a child, that probably will throw
a rock at you, but they don't hit you once
you go a different way. They don't want to interfere
with us. We are here for one reason, the experience.
We're here to experience things and respond to the experience
with I would say it we have learned how to
respond to experiences with love, compassion, not as a victim,

(01:19:41):
or not with anger. Once you learn those rules, our
vibration can go higher and we can advance to what
we're supposed to be. Like I write about the manifestation
code and my last book tested three sixty nine, and
I think we've got to go through that to get
to supposed to go with humans. I believe the anarchy

(01:20:03):
the way back into an f one texts. They they
took the toronadites and manipulated the DNA and made they
could They made all kinds of things very nus and anyway,
we are very special one that they made us an
image of very high requests from being I get off

(01:20:25):
on this and I don't want of people like I'm
religious are trying to sort of cult or something that
it's very very very very interesting to me, and I
love talking about it acer there now. But I've talked
to church people here, people religiously, and there's wanted back
to the vital Belt where I live now, North Carolina.

(01:20:46):
They just sort of cross the arms and there ain't
nothing going on but Jesus Christ, and you're going to
go to hell. You don't believe that, you know, I mean,
I was raising that. I know where they're going through.
So I don't even talk to me anymore if they
don't have but they don't have the want to to
ask me a question. If they asked me question, I'll
answer the best of I can. But I'm not going

(01:21:08):
to force anything on anybody because it's the way I
believe and some people don't believe it. That's okay. Everybody
has a choice. That's what we have as a free
human being. Choices. You choose to go that way or
that way. And that's where I beget the coherence of
your can you gland into your heart, heart and brain
as me a coherence? It all has to be balans.

(01:21:29):
That's what Chopper's all about. If you you know balance
those things, you'll never listen to what your heart says,
because that's what we have with the universe, the source
of everything. And but it has to our brain. All
this thing on our shoulders here has been conditioned over time,
the condition of well, we know that language, we know this,
we don't know that. We don't want to believe that.

(01:21:51):
You know in person, you know you've created yourself a
paradigm which which you go back out on alcoholoqua. I
can even have already I know something that will you
can have a bigger gold walk and Panama on the
backs aren't talking to them? They wouldn't they wouldn't hm
believe anything. They've they've created their own box. You don't

(01:22:14):
care that way, there's no way. But if they don't
learn how.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
A lot of people, for a lot of people that
for a lot of people, that were.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
All the condition I really like a parachute. If they
don't open anything going to work. We have to open
up our box and let our mind understand. There's things
we don't know that we have to learn, and quantum physics,
I think is the key to learning. Like a testa said, well,
one man calls God, no one calls the law of physics.

(01:22:48):
Then you got edgar Mitchell who said that, uh, we
take classical and quantum sciences together a clear perception and
if you won't clear percent, you've got to understand that
there's laws going on out there that the moment of
classical science and what I experienced something was and the

(01:23:08):
other guys too. It does not perform and you've got
to have an answer for it. I think co op
the physics going into that is like disappearing. I had
too many people tell me they disappear. I used to
put it on the shelf with the funny part, you know,
but I don't do that anymore because there is a
rule behind it. It's Paul dax Anti matter equation, which

(01:23:29):
in nineteen thirty three was established to get the Noble
Prize on mised this because it's a direct e changer
and matter and energy, and you got that established physically
by cirring in twenty twelve. When the Highdark Collider change
the power lay and energy, you won't see energy. But
you can, you can send you detect it. And you

(01:23:50):
know when people just have to understand there's so much
more going on. Our eyes only say, within certain ferguency sounded,
only certain urgerency, a bark can smell through it answers
or peaches, and that's been established. They don't. You're here also,

(01:24:16):
But I have no doubt you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
You know, you talk about frequency, and you talk about
frequency and vibration and one of my other my my
second crazy theory to go along with you know, them
them creating the issue with our vision is yeah, that's

(01:24:40):
a good one, thanks, right. But the other thing is,
you know I kind of wonder, I kind of wonder
if we've got it backwards. I wonder if we are

(01:25:03):
you know, like you go to the Ananaki and and
you know the I think there's enough text that that
indicate there is something that that another another culture came
here and and something obviously manipulated us to be us.

(01:25:25):
Because when you take every creature on this earth, everything
from a little beetle all the way up to a
giraffe or an elephant and everything in between, and you
put us there, we are to me, we are the
one thing that does not look like it belongs here.
You've got hair covered, you've got scale covered, you've got claws,

(01:25:48):
you've got nails, you've got teeth, you've and but when
you look at us compared to anything else, we don't.
We don't line up. And I and I understand the uh,
the thought process behind we were created in God's image,
But it makes me wonder, you know, so many so

(01:26:11):
often you talk to people, I talk to people, hear experiences,
and people seem to think, they get the impression that
these things aren't aren't very happy about us.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
They're not particularly interested in in interacting with us in
a hey, it's me, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Kind of thing. So I almost wonder if, almost wonder
if they are the original US? And they were, they
were kept as a control, whether it whether it be
by alien intervention, whether it be divine internet intervention. I

(01:26:57):
almost wonder if, you know, are they the original US?
And there's a bit of a detest by them towards us?
And and they don't, you know, because so often I get,
you know, I make the big mistake of I watch
a lot of I watch a lot of news. I

(01:27:19):
pay attention to a lot of things that are going
on in the world. And yeah, we got we got iPhones,
we're all we're the smartest we have ever been right
now because we have every answer at the end of
a Google search that we could ask for right now.
Now we have AI and we have all these things,
and most people would look at that as an evolution.

(01:27:43):
We're becoming more. Our technology is advanced. But when you
look back at at ancient ruins that we can't figure
out how they were manufactured. We can't tell how those
stones were fit together to the to the preciseness where
we can't even fit a human hair behind it. I
almost think that we are going through a process of

(01:28:07):
we as humans homo safe and safe, a process of
de evolution. And I think in our original state, maybe
we had the abilities that bigfoot sasquatch. You know, maybe
that was really us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
We do it was I mean, it's not the mess
with our telemeters, and that's kind our live spectus. In short,
you know, our DNA has been indated because if we
kept going and lived a thousand years, we know we
really progressed a lot more. These things I think were
made by the anarchy and we were made by the

(01:28:48):
Anarchey some time later, eons later. I mean, this's been
going on for one hundred thousand years on this planet.
But so many, many many aliens have been here. You
don't know which one did, walked a lot. The whole
hyprisation program gone on, still going on. We are high
ritually want to get into it. But in the Bible
said let us make mad in our image. Well, there's

(01:29:11):
there's not a word. There's not a singular if you
get into con influence texts, either of them, which is
the word for God, never mentioned in the singular fashion.
It's always in the plural. It's been the Romans and
different interpretations that have brought it down into something that

(01:29:32):
that they are bringing hand. Here's a god up here,
somebody in the sky, watching everything what everybody does, and
they're here and and he wants you to do these
and wonderful things. If you don't do all those things,
you've got a very special place. It's hot, and you're
gonna burn, You're gonna suffer in a horriblem But forever
and ever and ever, I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
The name of God.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
That's George Park.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
The name God was mentioned one time in the singular
in the Bible, and it was when Jesus is on
the cross, he goes, eloy, eloy, this is elo This
is the singular for elohem eloheem is the plural. And
you're right. Almost they're else, it's always it's always plural.
But when he was on the cross, he spoke, he said,

(01:30:18):
eloi eloi lama sabastani, which means my God, my God,
why have you forsaken me? So it is one time,
and you're right. Most everywhere else it's always plural. But
that one time he used that, at least in the
Hebrew of that time, the only time that I know

(01:30:40):
of that that it would do singularly.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Can you imagine, Swinton. That's the biggest thing I remember
about our trips up. The biggest thing I remember about
our trips up for the camp is yep, you got
into that stuff. How Christ picked out the different.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Apostle We were all strips it all the way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Back into constantly. Yeah, oh boy, fun. Scott knows a
lot about that stuff. And you know, you don't know
until you get one on one. And uh, I just
kept one with that because it fits with everything that
I've learned as a as a Christian and difficult over here,

(01:31:24):
except I was always taught here's God up there, what
you do to him? No, I ain't have works. We
were made in the image of very very special, high
contial being, and I think we were special in that regard.
And I want to tell people that because I think

(01:31:44):
we'll get some special times right now and they need
to know who they are and what they're all about.
So there, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
What I said earlier about growing up Catholic. You know
I have my I believe in God, I believe in Christ.
I'm not sure exactly what that is, right, you know,
they could be alien, they could be exactly what we've
been told. I don't think so. I think it's I

(01:32:18):
think it's something more mysterious and more more wonderful than
what anybody could write down in a book. But it
is so strange that, you know, even at fifty nine
years old, and I'm not a practicing Catholic anymore. My
my religious, my my my my belief, my faith has

(01:32:43):
become a much more personal thing for me than having
a need to go into a under a roof and
profess it with other people. But man, when when you're
faced with making a decision, and there might be it
might be a little bit wrong or you know, I mean,

(01:33:04):
like that Catholic upbringing boom it comes, it comes right
back really quick, and it's like, man, if I do this,
I'm going to help. I know it, you know, and
you know my my fifty nine year old brain says, no,
I don't think it's I don't think it works that way.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
But that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Still it pops back up, and I'm like, little ship
better not.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
I always asked the question when I was involved in churches,
who's going to be charge? Yah, there's a charge down here.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
That's when you were looking for the applications for.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Job like that. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
So, Scott. Let's let's turn over to you now. We've
got about a half hour left and then I'll let
you guys go. But kind of the same the same
thing that I was asking Ron. Once you, once you
tore into this, I know you don't. You don't talk
about it much because it happened so so organically and

(01:34:12):
so quickly once you entered into looking into this, But
you had a sighting. How did how did find in
these sounds?

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
How did it change your life? And and has it
changed it for a good or or has it has.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
It's complicated my life, that's for sure, you know, But
but it couldn't have complicated my life in a better way.
Like I say, almost immediately and in my schoolroom that day,
my whole paradigm changed everything about the way that I
saw the world. I was a philosophy guy, language and

(01:34:51):
philosophy guy, so I was open. I was always open
to aliens, you fall whatever, right, because if you're philosophy guy,
you have to be open to possibilities. But when that happened,
that immediately changed everything in my life. Then when I

(01:35:13):
got the tapes, took me four months to transcribe all
ninety minutes of him. Then the first thing I did
was get in the car and drive the California to
meet Ron and Ol And that became very very important
to me immediately. And Ron welcomed me into his house

(01:35:38):
and Al sitting there and he knows I'm an old
navy man. First thing he did was hand me a beer, right,
and we sat down, and the first thing that we
started talking about is I says, you know, the thing
that has me puzzled is that I cannot believe this,
all of this At the time I'm talking to them.

(01:36:02):
You know, this happened thirty five years ago. I cannot
believe that I'm the first guy that realized that these
creatures were talking to each other. It's not because by
that time I had read every big Foot book I
could get a hold of, including the New and Science,

(01:36:24):
Sasquatch Meet Science or whatever. I read everything I could
get my hands on because it was so new to me.
But I said that to Ron, and now, I can't
believe nobody else has figured this out, that they have
a language and they're talking to each other. And Alan
Ron I swear, looked at each other and looked back

(01:36:46):
at me, and Ron said, we always knew, We always
knew that they were speaking a language to each other,
and that they were speaking they were trying to speak
to us as well, So that that was a very, uh,

(01:37:08):
you know, enlightening moment for me. But I would say
virtually every every time we went up on that mountain,
ten expeditions, five of them with my son and one
of them my daughter also accompanied us. And every time

(01:37:28):
we went up there, it had a life changing moment.
Not because we were always not because we were always
surrounded by weird things or many times they weren't even there,
but just being up there with Ron, and in our
philosophical conversations we became ivan. When you you take any

(01:37:54):
two guys, or any group of guys, any group of
men who endure the difficulties, any kind of difficulty like that,
you become bonded. Without a doubt, you become bonded. And
then the thing, You're up there for a week, and
we've had nothing to talk about other than philosophy and

(01:38:15):
religion and science and the possibilities of all in this.
You know, I don't know. I don't think there was
a single time I came down off that mountain where
I did not feel transformed in some way. And then
we find out one of the first couple of times
up there that our birthdays are two days apart and

(01:38:41):
a few years right, but not many. But his birthday
is two days after my birthday in June. So and
then we've started to realize, oh my god, that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
We are so Wait a minute, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Judy, June what and June thirteen? You gotta be June twelfth? What? Wait?
Even thirteen June twelfth? What? That's that? That's what I'm
talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Mind with the middle and then President Trump's fourteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
That is so weird, man. It's all of these icities.
They cannot be explained to me. There's a reason that
we are brought here, that just even the three of us,
that we are brought here at this time and place,

(01:39:49):
and maybe that it took us four times the reason
you took I swear to God, man, it's too weird.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
That is world very weird. Yeah, what were you going
to say, Ron?

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Oh, so anyway what I would? Yeah, It's changed my
life very very uh, very strongly, and also the life
of my son Stephen. It it has changed a lot

(01:40:28):
for both of us. Stephen is now doing these Stephen
is now doing presentations up until You're right Colorado. Oh yeah, yeah,
so yeah, you can't. You cannot go through this without it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
I could my achilles. I I was trying to take
a hole up there one time with this little military
shovel that collapsed on me and I went down on
my cut my heel. I could walk, I mean I
really could not walk on that leg. And Steven carried

(01:41:07):
my pack down. I had a stick and I worked.
We worked the rest. We worked all way down that mountain. Man,
that was a trip. But I take my hand off
of Steven right he was there at that time. I
had a message to get out. I would say, just
everybody respect while we got on this planet. Don't be
messed up. Gonna stop worrying more than once.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
Yep, yep, Like Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Wants to say, he saved my life. Was horse up there?

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Yes, and Steven said your life wise, he said my
life once that last time you got both of us
down off that mountain. The last time we went up
there with Dave Polid's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
What kids for?

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeahs yes, Stephen, Stephen got you and I both down. Yes,
he was Remember he did all the sound things for
Dave and in his camera.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
I got a good memory card. It's not very long.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Yeah. He was the one that he would take you
down and then hike all the way back up and
get me and make sure I got down all the
way down off that mountain. Because remember you were too
you you decided you couldn't take the horse.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Down certain spots there by the way. There's a there's
a there's a documentary coming out on the cir Camp
by Brad and Jill Renaissance production. I want to give
out because I'll be pretty good along. It's really about

(01:43:01):
the sear camp and then they do a good job.
So everybody watched for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
I just I just saw a promo poster Fred Jills
just earlier today.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Yeah, they finally had first and only time the Bill
McDowell and Lowis Johnson have been interviewed ever and the
two left really. David Johnson, Warren Johnson's youngest son, has
has a Warren Johnson's collection of tapes, which he's also
turned over to Jail and Brett to to look. I

(01:43:37):
listen to and cooperate with what I have and what
oh what were Sarah sounds? And they were recorded, they
were done the same time under Warren Johnson's sake recorder
Alberry was doing. That's that's a good deal. I now
have a lot of people think that somebody else's backed

(01:43:58):
up and a pickup.

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
Ron.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Are they the same? Are they the same people?

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
I'm sorry? Yeah, so they I have, uh those tape,
those tapes from the Johnson's on hand, now I have
not I have not got in it them to try
to transcribe them. But those are all new to me.
Oh yep, I have.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
I had to two things I wanted to bring up
the people that are making the Sierra Sounds documentary. Are
they the same people that did the h A Flash
of Beauty? Okay, great, that will that should be good.
Then the other thing I wanted to say, Yeah, they

(01:44:57):
did a great job with a Flash of Beauty. I
was I was impressed with that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
The other thing I wanted to say is that I
do have I do have two recordings, and they are
both from the Yankee Springs area of Michigan. It's in
the Lower Peninsula. It's a little south of Grand Rapids, Michigan.

(01:45:28):
And the guy who recorded them gave gave somebody permission
to share them with me, but did not give me
permission to ever air them. But I'm telling you, I'm
telling you Ron, when I listened to those, I had

(01:45:50):
to go back and listen to the Sierra Sounds to
make sure that parts of those weren't the same as
your recordings. They are that they are that similar mm hmm.
But what I will say is I think I think
there's a I think there's a difference in the quality

(01:46:12):
of recording equipment. Obviously there's several years in between yours
and theirs, so I think the recording equipment is a
little bit better, and my guess is that the subjects
were a bit closer than what you guys were dealing with.

(01:46:35):
But man, I'm telling you, when you listen to those,
it's it's insane how how close it is to to
what Ron has. So I'm going to reach out and
I'm to try to get yeah, say again, yeah, that'd
be good.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
I got so I gotta sound from Ohio one time
that all very call you gotta listen to this. Somebody
plagiarize our sounds, and I listened to Yep. I'll go
through our sounds, all the ones that we'd sit out,
that we'd let out. I checked them all and they
were they were different. They sound like we first hear

(01:47:19):
though they sound like they are are sounds, but but
they weren't. They were there's no signatures.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Also received several that were plagiarized from our sounds. We've
also had guys, you know, send send tapes to me
and Iron that we we take one listen to them
and we go, oh my god, no, that's on the
that's on the second side of the berry tape or whatever.
So yeah, they we've they've they've tried to hoax us

(01:47:46):
several times as well.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Yeah, I'll try to I'll try to get permission.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
To just put put the thing on a graft and
see how it prepares. That's what I did, because I'll
do that before playing, because right and like the Ohio
on that one, I I check that out and yeah,

(01:48:15):
I let that guy see if that guy that Scott
look at.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
We've always done that. We started doing that right in
the beginning when we started going, you know, presenting our study.
We would solicit submissions from the bigfoot community because they're
the ones that are out in the woods. So we've
always every time, you know, solicited submissions, and I've refused.

(01:48:46):
I've received several dozen, but most of them not very good.
A few of them pure and simple hoaxes, but a
couple of them very good. So I've always been willing
to listen and then give him and then give my
true professional opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
And a lot of people hear a howl or scream
or something that they've never heard before and they think
it might be a big foot. So I asked him
to send me the silend and if it's just a
hower hoop or something like that, I don't bother Sky
with that, because he's a language guy and he wants
to hear a morphine stream of words, you know, like

(01:49:29):
we have on our tapes. So I sent him out
to the Olympic Project in Washington, and there's a guy
out there to Dave Ellis who who will do that,
and he doesn't charge him at all, and he will
identify it, compare it to other animal sounds. He's got
all on the draft and you can see if it's
it's you know, the same one or not. And he

(01:49:50):
could matches something else like a coyote or something like that.
He'll he'll know it, even though it may sound like coyote.
He might be above he has on the draft. Anyway.
That's all I got to say about that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
Run Ron.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Do you do you have a release date information for
the c R sounds for the documentary?

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
Oh, the documentary, it's all that. Yeah, I've I've had
told it's this fall, but it's hard to pin them down.
And they're still editing. And that's a big deal. He
do a great job on it, brad Is And yeah,
I'm gonna see him. But Bigfoot Reunion here in fourth
of you. I think it is out of the West Coast.

(01:50:40):
We'll talk more about it then, but I think they
may come out with another trailer for it, because the
trailer they got now is just alone with me and Bill,
mic Dollan, Louis Johnson and my daughter Rohnda and who's
had signings up there, and also a Dale have it

(01:51:00):
wrong about sat agent the Bill and I they had
some insureriences up there. So if anyway the interview is
only three years long, I think I mean the Trader
or something like that, and uh, it's worth listening to.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
That's good and so there, Yes, Scott, yes, if you
if you don't mind, we got We got about eight
minutes left. Can I can I talk you into uh

(01:51:39):
talking about your saying yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Like I say, uh, I think I told you this
before when you first asked me about it. And the
reason that I only that I for many years I
never talked to anybody about it. Now I'm like, I
don't care at this point, I don't care. I will
tell anybody about it that the pushes me to it.

(01:52:02):
But the reason I didn't want to tell anybody is
because I had only been I'd only been up on
that mountain A couple times with Ron. In fact, I
had only started studying the tapes, had only been a
couple maybe two and a half years since i'd met Ron,
had started, you know, this endeavor. But my ex wife

(01:52:33):
was biking out here, very close to Kansas City, out
in the conservation area, and she had seen a bear footprint,
and she had known that Stevie and I had been
out there and we'd been looking around, you know, and
that we'd been up on that mountain. So she took

(01:52:53):
a picture of that and told me where it was.
So I took Mandy. Ron remembered, might he might Ron
might remember Mandy. We've you know, she was my old
girlfriend at the time. Uh. I took her out to

(01:53:14):
this place, to this conservation area, and we were just
driving out on this Oh well, and anyway, what I
was saying is why I didn't want to tell a
lot of people is because I had only been doing
it for two or three years, and I knew people
I had met in the research community that had been

(01:53:34):
doing it for forty years and never had nothing happen
to him. So I thought, I thought that if I
went out and started talking, oh hey, yeah, I saw
one blah blah, blah, you know that I would sound
ridiculous talking about this the people that never had anything happen.

(01:53:56):
So but anyway, right, she and I we're in my
old Ranger pickup truck and we're just going out on
this little access road that cuts right between right cuts
the conservation area right in half, and we're just going
out there, really relaxing on. And she was total skeptic.

(01:54:18):
She was a complete and total skeptic. That's why one
of the reasons I took her. I said, look, I'm
gonna take you out there where we think there's something's
going on out there. Well, it turns out, and I
didn't know it at the time, it was opening day
for archery season, for deer hunting archery season, and so

(01:54:42):
I'm going down this and so all of the they
it was full of archery hunters and they were out
and of course the archery hunter they have all of
their tree stands and stuff like that. So I'm going
down this road and I see wave a couple hundred
yards ahead of us. I see two pickup trucks parked there,

(01:55:06):
and I knew from past experiences that very near to
that is a couple of these tree stands. So I
you know, in my mind, I'm seeing those pickup trucks
way way down there. I'm going, okay, well, there's gonna
be hunters up there. And just as that fuck crossed

(01:55:27):
my mind, I see the biggest land mammal that I've
ever seen in the wild run right across in front
of our car, front of my pickup truck, probably forty
forty fifty yards ahead. And he was on all fours.

(01:55:51):
He was on all fours. This is the thing that
was sweared about it. But he was so massive, he
was so tall, and he ran. He ran across the
road from one side of the bushes to the other
side in less than two seconds. It was like, and

(01:56:11):
he was running like boom boom, boom, and he was gone.
And I drew a picture later when I got home
of what I saw, and I asked Mandy about it.
You know, but he was looking away from us. He
didn't see us. He ran across that road looking away

(01:56:32):
from us, right up to where those tree stands would
have been. So that's why I think he just didn't
even notice we were coming. We were coming very slow,
not in a hurry, not making much noise. Boom, boom boom.
He ran across there so fast, and I remember his

(01:56:52):
his shoulders were so much higher than his rump. His
rump was way BELI oh, which you know obviously makes
you realized that his arms are much longer than his legs.
And I stopped the car. I stopped the car immediately,

(01:57:16):
and I look over and man, I said, did you
see that? And she said, she said that deer had
the biggest butt I've ever seen. That was her reaction
because she's still in her paradigm. She could not allow
for it to be a bigfoot. She said that deer

(01:57:38):
had the biggest butt I've ever seen. I said, Mandy,
that was not a deer. I said, did you see
it neck? She said no, Did you see a neck
with a head? She said no. I said that was
bigger than any deer. She said, I know, so, yes,
we both saw it. She was a complete skeptic and

(01:58:01):
and honest to God, that's the only reason that I
really believed that I saw it is because she was
there and I asked her and she said, yes, I
saw it. And she was enough of a skeptic that
you know, she didn't say it, Oh, yeah, I saw bigfoot. Now,
to this day. She she it's hard for her to
go there. And at that day I went, well, I

(01:58:25):
drove right home, and I Ron was the first one
I called, and I said, I'm not telling nobody this
because nobody else is going to believe me. And I
call the local guy who's passed now, Bill Bowen. Uh,
he's passed on now, but he's the only other guy
I talked to about it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
So it's interesting the the motion that you made, yes
with your with your arms, as far as how it
how it was motating across the not all fours, very much,
very much gorilla.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
It would be like exactly what how a human would
lope across the road if he was on all fours
trying to get across their fast, especially if he had
arms that were longer than his legs. You know, we
would be like and try trying to hunker down.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
Do you think maybe that was I suppose it's possible.
You know there bear bears in that area, right, No,
you think part of Missouri.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
There are very few bears heres sometown in southern Missouri.
But no, no, there's no way it was a bear.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
No, no, no, I'm not saying you could have mistaken it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Shoulders were hot, bigger than not a white tail. It
was bigger than a mule there at its shoulders. That's
what it was. So the thing that impressed me in
me he was how big it was and how fast.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't suggesting that suggesting that you
you mistaken What what I'm saying is, could it have
could have adopted that posture to get across the road,
looked away from you so you didn't see its face
in an attempt to disguise itself. I don't put any
you know, yeah, if I if I don't go across

(02:00:28):
this road, if I don't go across this road on
two legs.

Speaker 3 (02:00:32):
Oh, I don't know. I won't put anything past them.
Like Ron says, I don't you. I don't believe you
can trick them. You can't trick them, but they sure
as he'll know how to trick you. I'm sure Ron
would agree with that, right, Yeah. Yeah. I don't think
you can go out with any device or any modern technology,

(02:00:55):
or a cage or anything like that and think that
you can capture one or trick him or any of that.
I think they they think that we think, yeah, because
we did think that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
They think that we think, but we're not.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
Yeah, we do, but we're not. What I say, Once
you take one foot into those woods, you are no
longer on the top of the food chain. You take
one foot into their territory. Believe me, they know you're there,
the same way as is if one of them took
one step into my front yard or backyard, I would

(02:01:38):
know he was there. But you take one step into
those woods, and you are no longer on the top
of the food chain, even though we think we are
because we got you know, cause we got a thirty
on six no, no, no, So there you have it.

(02:01:59):
I gave it to Eric. When I get up.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
There, I'll buy you, right, I'll buy you one. Well, yeah,
we got plenty of Irish places around here. Gentlemen, it's
been two hours. I could talk to you for another
two but I'm not going to put you through that.

(02:02:28):
Thank you so much for taking the time and and
working with me getting this together. Ron you and Scott both.
If you have half things going on, if you've got
conferences coming up that you're going to speak at you'd
like to promote it, please feel free to do that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
Now. I got a couple I want to Oh, Pennsylvania,
I think, and the other than Tennessee this year. I'm
not a cow. I can't tell you the days. Uh uh,
I got something else in August.

Speaker 1 (02:03:02):
I think, uh can people? Can people find out on
the website.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
They should be able to know they can't. I don't.
I don't keep over that I should, but I don't.
I should do a lot of things that I was doing.
I'm just lay with all this almost. I appreciate you
inviting me on that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
To you always good, You're you're always well.

Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
Thank you for the privilege to be seen next to
this guy, you know, and to be able to be
able to talk about the stuff that well, I'm grateful
for that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Well hopefully, hopefully, hopefully you guys, I got to say
some things that maybe not doesn't always get out there.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Well. My books book, ye, my second book, I got them,
but it's all my website, Rodmorehead dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
I got my copy.

Speaker 3 (02:04:12):
Right here's your other one right here, I've got it
on my next voice of the woman. Oh yeah, yeah,
don't go.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
Continues on this one A little bit. I had uh hard,
you're kind of in the dark area coming a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Yeah, I lost one of my lights.

Speaker 3 (02:04:44):
Sorry, you lost that right when you were talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:04:51):
I put up here.

Speaker 3 (02:04:54):
You're right what you did right when you're talking about
the Native American witch. So that kind of spooked me
a litt little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
That's those kind of things happen from time to time.
It's it's a little weird, you know, Scott, what what
have you got anything going on that you want to
let everybody know about?

Speaker 3 (02:05:15):
Nothing speciftic. I'm actually waiting for Jill and Bratt are
going to make a trip down here to interview me
for that same movie that's coming out. In the film
we've been trying to put together for several months and no,
well no it didn't work out because we had that snowstorm.

(02:05:36):
Oh that's right, we had a snowstorm. So they're still
trying to they're still trying to get down here, and
they're actually going to be in Colorado and they might
even interview Steven.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
M I won't see before I passed. Energetic body changes.
Oh come on, well, everything is vibration. Everything you're renewed
for me?

Speaker 3 (02:06:06):
Is that you're right?

Speaker 2 (02:06:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
Correct, I agree, that's correct.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
Yep, gentlemen, thank you so much. It's been an absolute,
absolute pleasure.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
Thanks you good Eric, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:06:24):
You're welcome. Eric. It came out and call anytime, man.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:06:30):
Ah, I blieve see Ron. Love you man.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
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