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September 24, 2025 34 mins
Here's my sumation and takeaways from the September 9th Congressional hearing on UAP disclousre and whistleblower protections. The long and the short of it, the good the bad and the ugly.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome back to the show, my friends. I am your host,
Eric Solodgi. If you've had an uncomfortable experience and you'd
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will be in the show notes below. If you were
in the area of eastern Ohio, maybe near say Salt
Fork State Park, then swing by newcomers Town, which is
just down the road for the twenty fifth Bigfoot Conference

(01:45):
this Saturday. That's this Saturday, the twenty seventh. I'll be
there supporting the show as a vendor, and we'll be
available to record your experiences right there at the conference.
We're looking forward to a great turnout to the speaker.
Seth Breedlove from Small Town Monsters. Adventurer Adam Davies will

(02:06):
be there to speak. Salt Fork naturalist John Hickenbottom, personal
friend of mine. He will be there speaking as well
as researcher John Horgan. Doors open at ten am. The
first speaker goes on at eleven. Again. That is this Saturday,
the twenty seventh, in Newcomerstown, Ohio. If you can make it,

(02:30):
swing by the booth, pick up some merch, say hi,
tell me your experience. So tonight I'm gonna do something
a little different. Back on the ninth, I believe it
was of this month, we had another congressional hearing. A
big news right UAP disclosure, the whole thing. So I

(02:55):
wanted to dive into my thoughts as to that congressional
hearing and what we heard and what the takeaways were
from that. So if you're ready, buckle up, let's get
into it, all right, So tonight I'm going to dig

(03:31):
into the most recent of the congressional hearings on UAPs.
This one was actually entitled Restoring Public Trust through UAP
Transparency and Whistleblower Protection that was held September ninth, twenty
twenty five. Now, you've probably already seen the clips, maybe

(03:57):
even saw the so called hell fire missile that went
almost viral overnight. But behind the headlines, this hearing was different.
Veterans stepped up, journalists took heat for shining the light
on the subject, a whistleblower attorney demanded legal safeguards, and

(04:19):
one congresswoman, let's just say that she had her own agenda.
I want to unpack it, witness by witness, moment by moment.
Then I'm going to step back and ask, are we
actually moving any closer to the truth or are we

(04:41):
just circling the same story again and again. So let's
start with the people who actually spoke because there weren't
anonymous leaks or fringe theorists. These were veterans, journalists, intelligence specialists,
and legal advocates. First up with was Jeffrey Nussatelli, sixteen

(05:03):
years in the Air Force, much of it at Vandenberg
Air Force Base. His testimony was chilling. He described one
night in two thousand and three, during a National Reconnaissance
Office launch window, out of nowhere, a massive, glowing red
square appeared hovering over a restricted airspace near nuclear missile

(05:26):
defense sites. It was completely silent, he said. It hung
there for several minutes, then drifted away like it was
possibly observing Another time. Security teams radioed in basically saying
it's coming right at us. What they saw was a
rectangular craft larger than a football field, moving low and slow.

(05:51):
It passed over silently, hovered for almost a full minute,
and then shot away with impossible speed. And if that
wasn't strange enough, news Telli described a pulsing blue white
orb as if it was blinking like a satellite, except
satellites don't stop two hundred feet above your house. This

(06:13):
one did, glowing, humming, and then vanishing into thin air.
News to Telli made it clear these were not rumors,
not campfire stories. These were events witnessed by multiple trained personnel, logged, reported,
and then apparently quietly buried. Then KIM Chief Alexandro Wiggins,

(06:39):
he made history that day as the first act of
duty Navy witness in uf hearing. He was serving aboard
the USS Jackson when he and his crew saw what
he called a self luminous tic TAC shaped object emerged
straight out of the ocean, smooth, seamless, glowing on its own.

(07:01):
Within seconds, it was joined by three more. They hovered together,
then in perfect synchronization, shot upward and disappeared. No sonic booms,
no heat signatures, no visible propulsion. Yet their maneuvers were
captured across multiple sensors. He said. Wiggans didn't mince words.

(07:24):
Quote when unknown objects maneuver near Navy ships, that's a
safety threat. He was demanding training protocols, sensor guidance and
chain of custody on rules so sailors aren't left guessing.
And then Dylan Borland, a former Air Force geospatial intelligence analyst.

(07:47):
He wasn't describing lights in the sky, he was describing
data that was disappearing. Borland explained, how raw anomaly data
gets flagged, filed and then essentially disappears. He called it
a black hole in the pipeline. Reports never made it

(08:09):
up the chain, Censor recordings vanish into classified silos, Pilots
get told it's a glitch, and that he said, is
the real danger, but that our own system makes sure
we never see them, and his phrase kind of stuck
with me, the pipeline is broken. Then we can add

(08:32):
to that, investigative journalist George Knapp. We all know the name,
we know what he is, what he does, who he's
been associated with, reminding everyone that ridicule and silence have
been weaponized for decades. And whistleblowerer attorney Joe Spielberger was

(08:53):
warning that without legal protection, nobody will risk speaking up.
So that was our lineup, and that set the stage
pretty much for what came next. Sonosatelli larger objects than stadiums,
glowing orbs, silence, followed by impossible acceleration wiggins, tic TACs

(09:18):
rising from the sea, captured by Navy systems, disappearing in
ways physics say shouldn't be able to happen. Borland data trails, erased,
anomalies turned into non events, NAP government gas lighting the
public for decades, Spielberger. Without whistleblower protections, the truth will

(09:43):
stay hidden. Essentially, one after another, they painted the picture
of not just strange objects, but of a system designed
to keep them strange. If that makes sense. Let's talk

(10:03):
about what else stood out to me. Yes, there were
the usual that that can only be discussed in a
classified setting. We've heard that line before, but this time
it felt more like it was a reflex, like they
knew the answer but couldn't let it slip. And then

(10:27):
Republican Anna Paulina Luna, Now I want you to picture this,
if by chance you haven't seen this. She's charring the
hearing microphone in front of her. Cameras are rolling. She
comes out fast, fast and furious. Man, I mean talking
rapid fire voice, full of urgency. It was hard to

(10:49):
keep up, to be honest. At first, she had brought
up her own Air Force background pilots who nearly collided
with you AP's stories that rattled cruise. She wasn't even
further referencing the possibility of interdimensional beings, which she had
touched on a fairly recent episode with Joe Rogan and

(11:14):
the whole time, her pace never slowed down. Some people
leaned in you could see heads turning. Others looked like
they were pulling back, maybe wondering if the hearing had
just jumped off its own rails. To me, it felt
like Luna was on her own track, parallel to the
rest of the committee. While most were focused on whistleblower

(11:37):
protections and oversight mechanisms, she seemed focused on shaping. The
narrative was that her passion was it a performance or
maybe a little of both. But make no mistake, her
presence changed the energy in that room. She wasn't just

(11:58):
asking questions. She was, in my estimation, looking to make headlines.
Now everybody's probably had a chance to see the clip.
That was the new clip that had never been seen before.
The hell Fire missile unveiled by Representative Eric Burlson, allegedly

(12:24):
filmed by a MQ nine drone over Yemen in twenty
twenty four. The footage shows a missile streaking towards a
glowing orb and then possibly impossibly, the orb keeps going
after looking like it had been struck by the missile.

(12:50):
Burlson claimed it seems like the debris was taken with it.
And if you watch the video, I don't know that
that necessary sums it up, but when the missile hits,
there does appear to be three things that all look
like equal size that appear to emanate from the the

(13:16):
UAP after it's hit by the missile. Now, whether that
is some sort of destruction and it was just being
towed back along in its jetwash, or if it was
something that came out in defense of the missile, it's

(13:36):
very strange. It's compelling footage, but again, there were no
real answers, and to my knowledge to this point, no
real paper trail as far as where that came from.
When it hit the internet, it spread like wildfire, forums, headlines,
TikTok breakdowns. Everybody had an opinion. But here's the hard truth.

(14:01):
The Pentagon has not authenticated the footage arrow AAR, the
office tasked with investigating these anomalies still classifies it as unverified.
There doesn't appear to be any metadata available, no official
source trace, no confirmation of time or location. So what

(14:25):
could it be? Could it be real footage of UAP
surviving a direct hit. Possibly could it be misattributed combat footage,
a sensor flare parallax drone at artifact. Yeah, absolutely, could

(14:46):
it be manipulated or doctored before it was leaked? We
can't rule that out either, especially in this day with
all the AI and it's just becoming a muck and
meyer to try to get through. So what's my call
on that? So until there's a chain of custody that

(15:10):
clears or some sort of metadata that is released, I
got to put it in the It's curious, but not
necessarily evidence. Older fascinating, but like everything else, it's not proof.

(15:34):
What about David Grush two years ago? Is testimony you
lit the fuse non human craft retrieval programs, deadly threats
against whistleblowers. His words gave us the most explosive UAP
hearing in history. So where is he now? Still public,
still not arrested, still not formally discredited, but also still

(15:58):
not vindicated. The DoD and Arrow insists they've found no
evidence supporting his claims. But here's the thing. His testimony
is the reason that this twenty twenty five hearing happened.
The witness this time may not have echoed his extraordinary claims,

(16:22):
but they're operating in the space that he broke open.
I believe Grush was even in the gallery at the time.
I believe the cameras panned up and showed him up there,
but he wasn't an official part of this hearing, but
his shadow seemed to be everywhere. Now, if you put

(16:46):
twenty twenty threes hearing and twenty twenty five's hearing side
by side, I think you're going to see a shift.
I certainly did. Twenty twenty three Grush Graves, Commander Fravor
explosive claim, media frenzy basically a fireworks show. Twenty twenty

(17:06):
five Nisatelli Wiggins boriling, not a spectacle, but structure. Not
shock and awe but process. This hearing wasn't about saying
aliens are here. It was about saying our reporting systems

(17:30):
are broken, our whistleblowers are unprotected, and our military personnel
are left in the dark. So twenty twenty three raised
a sounding alarm and twenty twenty five seem to be
more about fixing the hoses on a car that's leaking.

(18:00):
So what were my key takeaways for you guys, the listeners.
So if you want to walk away from this with anything,
I guess let it be this. The question isn't are
UAP is real. The question is where's the chain of
custody for the data? If personnel fear reprisals, will we

(18:26):
ever see the truth? Viral clips are awesome, they're fun,
but until they're verified, are they truly evidence. Congress seems
to have shifted from a spectacle to more infrastructure. An

(18:52):
infrastructure is what we need if the next hearing is
going to give us more than shadows and stories. Right,
so here's where we land. No smoking guns, no aliens revealed,

(19:15):
but there's momentum. Veterans testified, journalists reminded us of past
cover ups, legal experts pushed for protections, and yes, even
firing figures like Republican Luna brought energy into the room.
Different tones, different motives maybe, but at least Congress is

(19:40):
paying attention. That's progress, Maybe slow, but progress. Right. If
the data exists, and if whistleblowers feel safe, eventually the
truth will come makes sense until then, But then again,

(20:05):
are we any closer to the truth. We've had multiple hearings,
seemingly credible voices and still fragments, whispers, promises of transparency
that never quite materialize, And maybe that explains Luna's urgency.

(20:29):
The fast talking, reaching big. Maybe she knows that if
you don't shake the table, the story dies in silence,
or she was just playing to the cameras. Either way,

(20:53):
whether it's a careful voices calling for process or fire
rhetoric trying to spark belief, at the end of the day,
we are still here, left waiting. Is Congress working for

(21:14):
us or managing the message keeping us hooked while the
answers stay buried. The hell fire clip was teased and
then blurred in uncertainty. Whistleblowers supposedly protected, but only if

(21:35):
they play by the rules written by the same system
that has silenced them for decades. So maybe the real
question isn't whether UFOs exist, but whether we'll ever be
trusted with the truth. Those are my thoughts. I'm interested

(22:02):
to hear yours. Hang tight, and I'll be back with
more after these messages, so kind of keeping in time
with the timeliness of this congressional hearing. I wanted to
give you guys a little bonus an interesting story tonight.

(22:27):
I wanted to tell you a story about a man
who seemed to write his own fate into a song.
It's a story that starts with Dusty back roads, with
guitars strummed in the wide open skies, and with a

(22:50):
restless musician who felt he was destined for something bigger.
But it's also that ends, or maybe it doesn't end
at all. Out on a lonely stretch of New Mexico desert,
a man vanishes. His car, left behind his guitar, his clothes,

(23:13):
his records, all waiting for him to return. But he
never does. And when you look at the music he
left us, he can't help but wonder did he somehow
know what was coming? The gentleman I'm talking about is

(23:42):
a musician named Jim Sullivan, who was Jim Sullivan. He
was born James Anthony Sullivan in nineteen thirty nine. Raised
in a dusty small town of California, he grew up
steeped in the sounds of suffolk gospel country, but by

(24:03):
the time the nineteen sixties rolled in his ear had
turned to something a bit stranger. The focal revival of
that decade was everywhere Dylan Biez, but Jim wanted something different.
His songs mixed jangling twelve string guitars, a steady country backbeat,

(24:26):
and lyrics that seemed to float far away from any
kind of earthly concerns. He was, in a sense a
pioneer of psychedelic folk. Country. Was too twangy for the
acid rock crowd to cosmic for Nashville, for sure, he

(24:50):
landed somewhere in between. In nineteen sixty nine, he recorded
an album called UFO. At the time it barely sold.
He was on a small label at a very small release,
but today collectors call a lost masterpiece. His record drifts

(25:12):
between the ordinary and the unearthly. He sings about highways
stretching forever, of restless spirits, and of strange lights in
the sky. He imagines being carried away from this world,
leaving behind the struggles of Earth or something other. Listening

(25:39):
to it now with the hindsight of what came after,
I'm not gonna lie. There are times where your hair
will stand on your arms. Despite all the talent, despite
the originality, Jim Sullivan never broke through. He spent the
early seventies in Los Angeles playing small clubs, rubbing shoulders

(26:01):
with much better known artists, much bigger names, always just
apparently that one phone call away from a real shot,
and yet it never came. By nineteen seventy five, He
was thirty five years old, married with a son, and
his career was slipping further out of reach. But Jim

(26:23):
wasn't ready to give up. He told his wife Barbara
that Nashville might be the answer. Country rock was on
the rise, and he still had his songs, still had
the drive. If you could just get there, maybe he

(26:44):
could convince someone to give him another chance. And so
in March of nineteen seventy five, Jim Sullivan packed his
Volkswagen Beetle with his guitar, a crate full of unsold albums, clothes,
and a few notebooks. He said goodbye to his wife

(27:05):
and son, got behind the wheel, and sat out east,
chasing one last chance at his dream. He never made it.
On March fourth, nineteen seventy five, Jim checked into a
motel in Santa Roza, New Mexico, about halfway between Los
Angeles and Nashville. He paid for the room, but as

(27:27):
far as anyone could tell, he never actually slept there.
His bed was untouched. Instead, Jim bought a bottle of vodka,
left the motel and drove his car a short distance
to a rural area called Puerto de Luna. The next day,
his Volkswagen was found abandoned on the side of the road.

(27:53):
Inside the car was everything he had packed for the trip,
his twelfting guitar, his suitcase, his clothing neatly folded, his
wallet and ID, and a crate of his unsold records.
Keys were still in the ignition, but no Jim. Search

(28:20):
parties combed the desert around Puerto de Luna. The police,
state troopers, and evil locals scoured the brush and the maces,
finding nothing. Not a footprint, not a body, not a trace.
It was as if Jim had simply stepped out of

(28:42):
his life and vanished into thin air. So when someone
disappears like that, theories come pretty quick. One theory said
that Jim walked off into the desert and took his
own life, but there was no note, no evidence, no body.

(29:02):
Another theory suggested foul play. Maybe he crossed paths with
the wrong people. Maybe it was a robbery gone wrong,
but his money was still there, his car was locked,
nothing taken. Some think he simply decided to start fresh,
disappear into another identity, but with no bank withdrawals, no

(29:28):
credit trail, no sightings. That explanation kind of feels thin.
And then there's the other theory, and this is where
the story turns from tragic to down strange. Jim's wife, Barbara,

(29:49):
once said that he had long believed in the possibility
of extraterrestrials. He told friends he'd seen strange lights in
the sky before, and maybe someday they'd come back for him.
And then there is his album UFO. That first record

(30:09):
he made back in sixty nine was just a It
wasn't just a playful title. The whole album is threaded
with imagery of leaving this world behind, of silver ships descending,
of a voice calling to him to come away, and

(30:32):
one song you imagine stepping out on a highway at
night and being lifted off the road. In another, he
sings about not belonging here, about someone or something waiting
for him elsewhere. At the time, critics thought it was

(30:53):
psychedelic ramblings, but after March of nineteen seventy five, those
lyrics feel something else entirely. Fans and friends began to
whisper Jim Sullivan, had he been taken? Did his music
foretell his own disappearance? It sounds outrageous, it sounds impossible,

(31:18):
and yet his car was left neatly behind, everything intact,
as though he had simply walked away into the desert
and never come back. For decades, Jim Sullivan was just
a name basically lost in the wind. But collectors kept

(31:43):
trading copies of UFO, and over time the record took
on a life of its own. By the two thousands,
it was being hailed as the great lost albums of
the psychedelic era. Labels reissued it new generations of musicians
pointed to it as a haunting influence. Today, Jim Sullivan

(32:06):
is more famous in his absence than he ever was
in his life. His music echoes across time like a
voice calling from the desert. Eerie, beautiful, unresolved, and so

(32:27):
here we are. Fifty years later, Jim Sullivan's disappearance remains
one of the strangest mysteries in American music. The man
sets out for Nashville to chase his dream. He checks
into a motel, he leaves behind his car, his clothes,
his guitar, his songs, and vanishes without a trace. Maybe

(32:51):
he met with misfortune, maybe he lost his way in
the desert night. Or maybe he was right all along.
Maybe those songs on UFO weren't just art or a
metaphor or psychedelic imagery. Maybe Jim Sullivan was waiting to

(33:17):
be called away, and maybe in the lonely desert outside
of Santa Roez, New Mexico, m they finally came. M

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