February 9, 2025 • 38 mins
In this episode, Erick delves into the intricate subject of UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) disclosure, examining the roles and credibility of several key figures in the UFO and government transparency dialogue. He'll cover Luis Elizondo, the former director of the Pentagon's AATIP; Jeremy Corbell, a journalist and filmmaker; and Bob Lazar, who claims to have worked on reverse engineering alien technology. Erick, as always, emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and the need for verifiable evidence amidst the sensationalism and speculation that often accompany UAP discussions, encouraging listeners to remain discerning and engaged. Are we being fed a carefully curated reality?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
There's a welcome back to the show, my friends. I
am your host, Eric Slodgi. Today I'll be diving into
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one of the biggest and most complex conversations in modern ufology,
UAP disclosure. Since the groundbreaking twenty seventeen New York Times
article that exposed the Pentagon's secret UFO program, a wave
of new voices has entered the discussion. Some of them
are insiders, some of them are investigators, and some of
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them have been telling us the same things for decades,
only to be ignored until now. But here's the big question.
How much of what we've been told is actually credible?
Who among these voices have delivered consistent, verifiable information, and
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who might be muddying the waters intentionally or not. Today
we're going to compare and contrast key figures in UAP disclosure,
including Luis Alisando, Jeremy Corbel, Bob Lazar, Commander Fraver, David Grush,
doctor Garly Nolan, Chris Bledsoe, Jake Barber, and doctor Stephen Greer.
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Some of the government government whistleblowers who have testified before
Congress will break down their claims, look at where they align,
where they contradict, and most importantly where we need to
apply critical thinking. At the end, I'll give you my
take on who I believe has been the most credible
base on what's come out to this point that has
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seemingly come to fruition. So if you're ready, let's get
into it all right, Let's start off with the players,
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the players and their their claims. Louis Alezando, I'm gonna
call him the insider outsider. Louis Alesando is arguably the
most recognizable face and modern UAP disclosure, as the former
director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program otherwise
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known as a TIP. He claimed that the US government
had been actively studying UAPs for years and that many
of these craft is laid capabilities beyond human technology, and
was partly responsible for drafting the five observables used to
qualify an event for further review. His biggest contribution, he
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brought forward three of the famous videos, the Gimbal, the
Go Fast, the Flair, which the Pentagon later confirmed as authentic. Now,
before I get into the controversial stuff with him, it
strikes me as odd that this gentleman left a storied
career in the government in order to be able to
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help push disclosure to the public. In his first step,
he jumps out of the government and joins forces to
the Stars Academy with Tom DeLong. What what a weird
what a weird match Blank one eighty two guitarist and
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just that that whole thing never made any sense to me,
And and the people that DeLong had around him, with
Melon and some of the others, it was. It was
a strange, strange bedfellows. But that didn't last long because
Melon and Alessando and and one other gentleman I forget
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his name now they they pretty quietly just exited stage
left from To the Stars Academy. It's strange to me.
But here's the controversy with Alessando. He says he resigned
because the government wasn't taking the UAP issue seriously. But
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he was part of a program that was investigating UAP,
So I think that it's more an issue that they
weren't they weren't taking disclosure seriously, rather than the topic itself.
He was literally an insider with complete and total access
to all this information, Yet he made the choice to
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leave the program because that was the only way that
he could disseminate information to the public view. It seems
kind of like a backward way of doing that. The
Pentagon since then has pushed back, claiming he had no
official role in a tip, though multiple sources multiple sources
have confirmed his involvement. He has said consistently and stated
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that some UAPs appear to be non human in origin,
but refuses to speculate beyond that. He almost always says
some UAPs. He's shown himself to be a master at
leaving breadcrumbs of truth and a cryptic and very vague manner.
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By this, I mean statements where he indicates having had
a conversation with a high up military official who simply
left him with the statement of have you read your
Bible lately? When he drops things like that, they're obviously intentional.
They're obviously intended to get those who are paying attention
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to pay attention to what he's saying without him having
to say anything. Alexando's credibility, from what I can tell
and from what I've gleaned from other sources, mostly solid.
He hasn't made any wild claims, tends to stick with
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what he can, let's say prove. Keep in mind, though,
that Alezando has always maintained this phenomenon is viewed as
a viable threat to national security, and not only are
some of the craft branded as being off world, they
also came with biologics in their recovery. Then you have
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Jeremy Corbel. I'm gonna call this guy the hype man
because that's exactly what he is. Not to take anything
away from him or his contribution. Corbel is more of
a journalist and filmmaker than an insider, but he is
one of the loudest voices in disclosure. He brought us
the Bob Blazard documentary not too many years ago, and
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has been responsible for releasing leaked videos of UAPs, including
the infamous pyramid shape UFOs filmed by the Navy. He
also seems to enjoy taking credit for the Jellyfish video.
I do have to say that I've enjoyed some of
Corbel's documentaries and I find myself watching Weaponize, the podcast
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he does with George Knapp. He's a likable guy, albeit
he does seem consumed with his coolness factor his strength.
He has access to military sources by his own admission,
considers himself to be someone that people seek out to
tell things that they shouldn't be telling to him. He
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and his compatriot George Knapp consistently reference all of this
mind blowing proof that they can't show us because they
have to protect their sources. He credits himself repeatedly for
getting new footage out to the public quickly, but yet
when you watch him in conversations in podcasts that he does,
he often refers to the lengthy period of time that
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it takes him to release a piece of film footage,
because he spends anywhere from a year to two years
trying to vet the person who's provided the video. Are
they who they say they are? Do they work for
who they say they work for? Things like that his weaknesses.
He tends to lean on the sensational and often presents
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unverified materials as fact, and whether intentional or not, it
could be said that he fancies himself a handler for
the likes of personalities like Bob Lazaar and David Grush
and then against most recently taking ownership of the Immaculate
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Constellation report that was submitted into the Congressional hearing. I
don't know where I fall on this guy. I think
his heart's in the right place. I think he's pretty
damn good at what he does, but he seems to
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be the type of person who inserts himself into the
center of thing, so that maybe he's not the center
of We'll just say that, and we have Bob Blazar.
This guy, you have to mention him. He's the OG whistleblower, right.
Bob Blazar has been claiming since the nineteen eighties that
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he worked at S for Near Area fifty one reverse
engineering alien craft powered by Element one fifteen. That at
the time when that came out, element one fifteen was
not proven to be a real element. Since then, yes
it does exist, but it exists in our reality anyway,
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in a very unstable form. Bob's story has always seemed
to include overreaching idea that there is an incredible degree
of compartmentalization within our government and military concern in these crafts.
His story again indicates the fact that non human craft
have not only been retrieved and reverse engineered, but that
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he briefly states having passed a room with a window
that appeared to have non human biologics in it. But
then here's where things get tricky. His academic credentials seemingly
can't be verified on a consistent basis. They say he
has been here. They say he hasn't been here. They
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say he went to school here. They say he didn't
go to school here. Some of his claims, like the
existence of Development one fifteen, the unusual hand scanning technology
that he would gain access to the departments in S four,
even a printed directory showing him as an employee of
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S four, have gained some credibility over time. He's been
consistent as hell with his story for decades. He doesn't
change a thing. Sometimes there's a little bit more that
comes out. Sometimes there's a little less that's said, but
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it's always consistent with his prior recountants. Does that make
him credible? That's hard to say. Some view him as
a profit of modern disclosure, while others think he's a
storyteller who basically just got lucky. The interweaving thread here
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is the relation that these all these people have too
common names within this. Just as in Bob Lazari's case,
George Knapp brought his story to lay, then you have
Commander David Fraver, the pilot who saw the tic TAC firsthand.
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Fraver's two thousand and four tiktak Ufo encounter is one
of the most compelling first hand pilot accounts of UAP.
Unlike many others in disclosure, he has no financial incentive.
He's just a military guy telling us what he saw. Verdict,
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I think he's highly credible. There never seems to be
any exaggeration. There doesn't seem to be any kind of
an agenda behind his testimony, just an experienced pilot reporting
an event, and that's it. Having seen Commander Fravor in
both long and short form interviews, his story does not
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change one bit. The one thing that does stand out
to me is odd and possibly concerning, is that he
emphatically states time and time again that at no time
was he ever pressured or warned not to speak of
this event publicly, And that gives me pause because it
goes against what we've all been told for decades, but
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not only military but mainstream pilots having had experiences. That
part of it doesn't set well with me. I was
literally shocked the first time I heard him asked about
that may have been on the Joe Rogan experience and
he was like, no, nobody ever told me I couldn't
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talk about it, which seems weird, wasn't it. Then we
have David Grush, the whistleblower with big claims. Grush's testimony
before Congress in twenty twenty three was huge. He claimed
the US had recovered non human craft, not only craft,
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but non human biologics as well. Additional bombshells were the
use of term ultra or interdimensional, as well as his
assertion that the United States has been recovering these craft
since the nineteen thirties at the behest of all places,
the Vatican. Now, before I go any further, I have
to say that the latest Luis Alexando interview on the
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Sean Ryan Show, he also confirms knowledge that a tip
was in possession of detailed information, stating that Grusha's claim
of the Vatican's involvement was true. On top of more,
the Vatican has more information. Interesting, It's a good interview.
I'll have to say that that interview that Alexando did
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with Sean Ryan here very recently, within the last couple
of days, I think it aired, did kind of change
my perspective on Alizondo. I'm not going to tell you
where I sat to begin with, but there were periods
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of that conversation, that interview where I think I think
lou led out a little bit more of his his
real self, and that struck me as being endearing. So
I'll just say that it's it's a good interview. It's
worth the watch. Grush continued to go on to say
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that there's an ongoing secret retrieval and reverse engineering program
that are outside the government's oversight, and that they are
being funded by black money, and that the entities engaging
in these recoveries make no bones about illegally keeping this
information hidden from Congress. But and this is a big butt,
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Grush has offered no physical evidence. He says he knows
where the evidence is but hasn't produced it. His overuse
of the claims that he could and would provide more
details and more detailed information while only in a skiff
if he were granted that opportunity. Has that happened? Some
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say yes, while others, like Congressman timber Chet, only kind
of smile and nod when they're asked if the additional
testimony has ever happened. So again, we don't know on
Gresha's credibility. Maybe so far, it seems that he is
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who he says he is and that he's held the
positions that he says he's held, but without proof, it
remains a claim, right, this guy is kind of, in
my opinion, come out of nowhere with a flurry of
bombshell accusations. But since then, where is he gone? Where
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is he gone? I mean I saw Jeremy Corbell, you know,
whip out his iPhone and dial grush up just shortly
before the Immaculate constellation debacle. So he he's around, But
where has he gone? And what is he doing now?
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I mean it was like boom, flashing the pan and
then nothing. Then you have doctor Gary Nolan. He's a
scientist who's essentially looking for answers. Doctor Gary Nolan is
a Stanford professor who has analyzed anomalist materials and currently
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claims that exposure to UAPs has caused significant brain injuries
in some individuals. His claims of possessing anomalist materials seems
to be backed up by even the likes of Diana Pasolka.
She revealed that Nolan accompanied her and another unnamed individual
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to the side of a crash retrieval and left there
with materials in hand. Diana even details the extent of
the difficulties that they went through with him getting through
security at the airport, having had those materials with him.
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It's interesting to note that Pasolka also heavily leans towards
the Vatican's knowledge and vast collection of historical documentation of
this phenomenon. It seems like that is a reoccurring thread
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no matter what your stances on this phenomenon. Nolan's credibility,
in my opinion, he is very high. He's a respected scientist,
but does occasionally make bold claims that he can't fully substantiate.
But to me, he seems to have been drawn into
this conversation, maybe unwittingly, almost as if he's an unknowing
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pawn in all of this. I think his intentions are good.
I think his heart's in the right place, but I
think there may be people pulling the strings to his involvement.
Then you have Chris Bledsoe, the experiencer. Chris Bledsoe's claims
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are more on the paranormal side of UAP experiences. He
ties UFO encounters to religious and supernatural phenomenon. His story
is powerful, yet very positive. It seems very contradictory to
the prevalent national security threat theory by many of those
I mentioned earlier. I do believe that he believes what
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he's saying, But I have to ask is his truth
biased by his admitted faith in Christian beliefs, and should
that even have any bearing on his testimony at all?
I don't know. He makes many claims that several alphabet agencies,
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including NASA, continue to use his knowledge and experience to
further their research. Personally, I've tried. I can't find any
hard evidence that those claims are fact. But again, there's
nothing to really refute them either. I do find it's
interesting that, yet again, his experience points heavily to spirituality
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being a significant opponent of this topic. It is something
that seems to be coming up a lot in recent
years and an underlying threat. As I said, with some
of these other disclosure figures, his credibility, I guess, depends
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on how much weight you give to an experiencer's testimony.
I think it's important to note that mister Bledsoe faced
significant financial hardship and health concerns earlier in his life,
and that seems to be an important part of his story,
which he has written about in his book, Which Is
For Sale? Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily? Then
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you have Jake Barber. I call this guy the wild card.
Jake Barber is a former US Air Force veteran who
has made some bold claims recently about secret technologies. But
he's more of a recent figure in the conversation, his
credibility is still being assessed. He claims to have been
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a pilot for a secret government retrieval team, having been
tasked with recovery of multiple non human craft. In his
recent coming out party on News Nation, I was honestly
touched by his emotional response to being in close proximity
to one of the craft. Again, contrary to the fear
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mongering precedent set by other individuals on the military side
of this phenomenon, would have you believe he's now the
head of his own retrieval tream, A retrieval team sorry,
who relies heavily on the use of psionic assets to
not only summon, but ultimately in some way aid in
the or overtake the piloting of these craft leading to recovery.
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His team essentially works within the public sector now and
apparently has no ties to any government agency. I suppose
the thought there is that anything recovered would immediately be
brought to the public view maybe I find it interesting
that in his full length interview on News Nation, the
bombshell video of the egg shaped non human craft that
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was used in the segment has been proven that it
was not actually the video from the event that Barbera
claims to have been a part of, but it was similar.
Should that in itself be concerning? On a personal note,
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I've watched his appearances in several interviews and video segments.
I have to say that there is something about the
way he presents himself that is quite off putting to me.
At times he seems nervous, at other times mildly aggressive
in his responses, yet he's always very polished. His ten
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years of involvement in these programs on the surface anyway,
seem to check out. But with as new as he
is to the topic within the public view, I think
it's way too early to assign any credibility to his claims.
And we have doctor Stephen Greer, the controversial activist. Stephen
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Greer has been a major figure disclosure since the nineteen nineties.
He founded the Disclosure Project and has brought forward hundreds
of witnesses who claim knowledge of UAP programs. On a
personal note, early on with his first couple of documentaries.
I could not wait to see his next effort. I
could not get enough of his information. But after those
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first two there seemed to be a significant change in
his not so much in his message, but in the
delivery of it, and that's what makes things get kind
of murky for me. He claims the US government has
had anti gravitic technology for decades, but provides no real proof.
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It's all because I say so, because I know, because
they know I know. He maintains the government is in
possession of technology that would allow for zero point energy
to change the world world, yet that they don't want
that to come out. He insists that UAPs are always
peaceful and that the threat narrative is manufactured. He goes
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on to say that reverse engineered technologies are being placed
in man made replicas of these craft and will be
used in a false flag alien invasion to usher in
a one world government. He's made bold claims about consciousness
based contact the CE five Protocols, which involve contacting UAPs
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and their occupants through meditation, which is essentially the same
thing the psionics are doing with the Barber's team. So
there's underlying threads of continuity between all these people. But
the CE five protocol that Greer has brought to light,
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that he promotes heavily. It's a significant income for doctor Greer.
He charges handsomely to attend a CE five Protocol events.
Greer does seem to scoff the credibility of any whistleblowers
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or parts of their testimonies if they haven't come from
within his community. And I find that concerning. So where
do they all agree? Where do they all clash? So
in the agreements, there's a there's a UAP presence that
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devies conventional explanation. The government has more information than it's
letting on. Some UAPs show technology, technological capabilities beyond our
own known science. They can all come to terms with those.
The disagreements are, are UAP's extraterrestrial, interdimensional man made or
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originating from a spiritual or a divine providence? Does the
US actually recover craft or is this all speculation? Is
the government suppressing disclosure or is it just slow to
process the phenomenon. Is it possible the government is using
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this technology to create a false narrative. Could the elements
of the US government remain completely in the dark about
this topic until these congressional hearings, as they would lead
us to believe. Why doesn't this conversation within the United
States ever reflect the fact that these experiences are happening
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all over the world, so much of it seems to
revolve around just the US players and agencies. Why is
this not a worldwide discussion? Is it perhaps that other
nations throughout the globe have shown to be largely more
transparent about this phenomenon with their with their culture, where
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we are not. And then that brings me into the
Immaculate Constellation, which Jeremy Corbel had a significant hissy fit
that he was not recognized or related into the record,
the Congressional record as being the person that produced this
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document to them. Now, I think it's really interesting. I've
read the report and there's a lot of stuff in there.
But I decided to ask chat GTP to analyze the
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twelve pages of the Immaculate Constellation document. I used the
reasoning prompt and asked it to memorize the documents. What
I'm about to read you is the result of that query.
This is from chat GTP. The Immaculate Constellation documents are
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important because they suggest that the UAP disclosure process isn't
happening randomly. Instead, it appears to be a deliberately orchestrated,
phased release of information. Here are the key points. Controlled timing.
The documents imply that the information is being released in
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stages rather than all at once, which could help manage
public reaction and gradually shift perceptions about UAPs. Compartmentalization, they
propose that different insiders and agencies hold separate pieces of
the puzzle. This means no single individual or source can
reveal the full picture, contributing to the inconsistencies we often
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see the blending of fact in fiction. The theory argues
that the real, verifiable data is mixed with unverified or
misleading information. This blending makes it hard to discern the truth,
suggesting that some discrepancies in this public claim may be
intentional technology rollout considerations. One implication is that if advanced
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possibly non human technology has been recovered, its gradual disclosure
might be planned to allow society to adjust without causing
widespread panic or disruption. In essence, the Immaculate Constellation documents
challenge us to think critically about the timing and the
content of UAP disclosures, urging a deeper look at why
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certain pieces of evidence or testimony are released when they
are and what that might mean for our understanding of
these phenomenon. I thought that was very interesting because when
you read the document yourself, there is a lot of
technical jargon in there. There is a lot of initialized
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shortenings of departments, There is a lot of categorization of
types of shapes and colors and appearances of these things,
and when asked to go through it, that's that's what
it came up with. So does this mean does this
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explain why Alessando and Grush and Fravor and all these
people who have come out as whistleblowers seem to be
kind of going and coming in waves. Could it be
an intentional roll out rather than an organic one? If so,
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and it seems to be who's controlling it? So my
final take on who is the most credible? If I
had to pick the most reliable sources based on what
has come to fruition, my top three would be. And
believe me when I tell you I had lists upon
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lists upon cross referencing, checklists and pros and cons, and
these are my top three. Who I think is worth
paying attention to and I'll even give you a fourth
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as a honorable mention. First was no surprise to me
at all. Could have probably picked this without any effort whatsoever.
Commander David Fraver, no agenda, no hype, just a military
pilot at the highest at the highest rank of ability
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and position, recounting a confirmed UAP encounter that was recorded
on multiple censor interfaces. He was no surprise to me
at all. I knew it was going to be him
before I even started, But in all honesty, I surprised
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myself with this next pick. I truly, truly was not
expecting my list to include this gentleman, not even in
the top three. But at the end of the day,
once all the check marks were in all the corresponding categories,
I can't really argue with my results. So coming in
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at number two is Luis Elizondo. He really hasn't been
caught in any outright falsehoods. He presents a measured approach
to disclosure. He's an expert. As I said in Leaving
Breadcrumb Trails. Do I trust him? Not necessarily, but do
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I believe the things that he says are accurate? I
think I have to go with Yes coming at number
three may seem like an odd choice Doctor Gary Nolan.
He's a scientist with real data. Some of his claims
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obviously require further scrutiny, but again, I think this guy
is maybe in a way harmless in the big picture
of whoever's controlling this. His information is interesting. I think
a lot of what he says is provable but doesn't
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necessarily make waves, doesn't really affect the conversation significantly one
way or another, if that makes sense. I do have
to tell you in an honorable mention on this list,
and I wasn't planning on doing this until I got
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to the end of it. Chris Bloodsoe comes in at
honorable mention. My reasoning behind that is that when you
boil down the term disclosure, to me, that means verifiable
proof and admission that this phenomenon exists. In that aspect,
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the three I just listed above I believe are working
towards that disclosure. When you bring in testimonies like blood Cews,
you're attempting to show discovery of the origin of these things.
To me, those are two completely different animals. I do
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hope that Bledsoes take on it is the truth. I
do hope that now that doesn't mean that the others
are wrong, but it does mean we should be cautious
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about taking every claim at face value. And I think
it warrants to repeat something that I have stated in
so many of my episodes, just how important critical thinking
is on your own outside of what you're being told.
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So what do you think? Who do you trust in
the world of UAP disclosure? Let me know your thoughts,
comment on the video, message me on Instagram. Uncomfortable Podcast
sixty five let me know, and as always, stay uncomfortable,
my friends,
There's a welcome back to the show, my friends. I
am your host, Eric Slodgi. Today I'll be diving into
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one of the biggest and most complex conversations in modern ufology,
UAP disclosure. Since the groundbreaking twenty seventeen New York Times
article that exposed the Pentagon's secret UFO program, a wave
of new voices has entered the discussion. Some of them
are insiders, some of them are investigators, and some of
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them have been telling us the same things for decades,
only to be ignored until now. But here's the big question.
How much of what we've been told is actually credible?
Who among these voices have delivered consistent, verifiable information, and
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who might be muddying the waters intentionally or not. Today
we're going to compare and contrast key figures in UAP disclosure,
including Luis Alisando, Jeremy Corbel, Bob Lazar, Commander Fraver, David Grush,
doctor Garly Nolan, Chris Bledsoe, Jake Barber, and doctor Stephen Greer.
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Some of the government government whistleblowers who have testified before
Congress will break down their claims, look at where they align,
where they contradict, and most importantly where we need to
apply critical thinking. At the end, I'll give you my
take on who I believe has been the most credible
base on what's come out to this point that has
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seemingly come to fruition. So if you're ready, let's get
into it all right, Let's start off with the players,
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the players and their their claims. Louis Alezando, I'm gonna
call him the insider outsider. Louis Alesando is arguably the
most recognizable face and modern UAP disclosure, as the former
director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program otherwise
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known as a TIP. He claimed that the US government
had been actively studying UAPs for years and that many
of these craft is laid capabilities beyond human technology, and
was partly responsible for drafting the five observables used to
qualify an event for further review. His biggest contribution, he
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brought forward three of the famous videos, the Gimbal, the
Go Fast, the Flair, which the Pentagon later confirmed as authentic. Now,
before I get into the controversial stuff with him, it
strikes me as odd that this gentleman left a storied
career in the government in order to be able to
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help push disclosure to the public. In his first step,
he jumps out of the government and joins forces to
the Stars Academy with Tom DeLong. What what a weird
what a weird match Blank one eighty two guitarist and
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just that that whole thing never made any sense to me,
And and the people that DeLong had around him, with
Melon and some of the others, it was. It was
a strange, strange bedfellows. But that didn't last long because
Melon and Alessando and and one other gentleman I forget
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his name now they they pretty quietly just exited stage
left from To the Stars Academy. It's strange to me.
But here's the controversy with Alessando. He says he resigned
because the government wasn't taking the UAP issue seriously. But
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he was part of a program that was investigating UAP,
So I think that it's more an issue that they
weren't they weren't taking disclosure seriously, rather than the topic itself.
He was literally an insider with complete and total access
to all this information, Yet he made the choice to
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leave the program because that was the only way that
he could disseminate information to the public view. It seems
kind of like a backward way of doing that. The
Pentagon since then has pushed back, claiming he had no
official role in a tip, though multiple sources multiple sources
have confirmed his involvement. He has said consistently and stated
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that some UAPs appear to be non human in origin,
but refuses to speculate beyond that. He almost always says
some UAPs. He's shown himself to be a master at
leaving breadcrumbs of truth and a cryptic and very vague manner.
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By this, I mean statements where he indicates having had
a conversation with a high up military official who simply
left him with the statement of have you read your
Bible lately? When he drops things like that, they're obviously intentional.
They're obviously intended to get those who are paying attention
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to pay attention to what he's saying without him having
to say anything. Alexando's credibility, from what I can tell
and from what I've gleaned from other sources, mostly solid.
He hasn't made any wild claims, tends to stick with
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what he can, let's say prove. Keep in mind, though,
that Alezando has always maintained this phenomenon is viewed as
a viable threat to national security, and not only are
some of the craft branded as being off world, they
also came with biologics in their recovery. Then you have
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Jeremy Corbel. I'm gonna call this guy the hype man
because that's exactly what he is. Not to take anything
away from him or his contribution. Corbel is more of
a journalist and filmmaker than an insider, but he is
one of the loudest voices in disclosure. He brought us
the Bob Blazard documentary not too many years ago, and
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has been responsible for releasing leaked videos of UAPs, including
the infamous pyramid shape UFOs filmed by the Navy. He
also seems to enjoy taking credit for the Jellyfish video.
I do have to say that I've enjoyed some of
Corbel's documentaries and I find myself watching Weaponize, the podcast
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he does with George Knapp. He's a likable guy, albeit
he does seem consumed with his coolness factor his strength.
He has access to military sources by his own admission,
considers himself to be someone that people seek out to
tell things that they shouldn't be telling to him. He
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and his compatriot George Knapp consistently reference all of this
mind blowing proof that they can't show us because they
have to protect their sources. He credits himself repeatedly for
getting new footage out to the public quickly, but yet
when you watch him in conversations in podcasts that he does,
he often refers to the lengthy period of time that
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it takes him to release a piece of film footage,
because he spends anywhere from a year to two years
trying to vet the person who's provided the video. Are
they who they say they are? Do they work for
who they say they work for? Things like that his weaknesses.
He tends to lean on the sensational and often presents
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unverified materials as fact, and whether intentional or not, it
could be said that he fancies himself a handler for
the likes of personalities like Bob Lazaar and David Grush
and then against most recently taking ownership of the Immaculate
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Constellation report that was submitted into the Congressional hearing. I
don't know where I fall on this guy. I think
his heart's in the right place. I think he's pretty
damn good at what he does, but he seems to
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be the type of person who inserts himself into the
center of thing, so that maybe he's not the center
of We'll just say that, and we have Bob Blazar.
This guy, you have to mention him. He's the OG whistleblower, right.
Bob Blazar has been claiming since the nineteen eighties that
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he worked at S for Near Area fifty one reverse
engineering alien craft powered by Element one fifteen. That at
the time when that came out, element one fifteen was
not proven to be a real element. Since then, yes
it does exist, but it exists in our reality anyway,
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in a very unstable form. Bob's story has always seemed
to include overreaching idea that there is an incredible degree
of compartmentalization within our government and military concern in these crafts.
His story again indicates the fact that non human craft
have not only been retrieved and reverse engineered, but that
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he briefly states having passed a room with a window
that appeared to have non human biologics in it. But
then here's where things get tricky. His academic credentials seemingly
can't be verified on a consistent basis. They say he
has been here. They say he hasn't been here. They
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say he went to school here. They say he didn't
go to school here. Some of his claims, like the
existence of Development one fifteen, the unusual hand scanning technology
that he would gain access to the departments in S four,
even a printed directory showing him as an employee of
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S four, have gained some credibility over time. He's been
consistent as hell with his story for decades. He doesn't
change a thing. Sometimes there's a little bit more that
comes out. Sometimes there's a little less that's said, but
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it's always consistent with his prior recountants. Does that make
him credible? That's hard to say. Some view him as
a profit of modern disclosure, while others think he's a
storyteller who basically just got lucky. The interweaving thread here
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is the relation that these all these people have too
common names within this. Just as in Bob Lazari's case,
George Knapp brought his story to lay, then you have
Commander David Fraver, the pilot who saw the tic TAC firsthand.
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Fraver's two thousand and four tiktak Ufo encounter is one
of the most compelling first hand pilot accounts of UAP.
Unlike many others in disclosure, he has no financial incentive.
He's just a military guy telling us what he saw. Verdict,
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I think he's highly credible. There never seems to be
any exaggeration. There doesn't seem to be any kind of
an agenda behind his testimony, just an experienced pilot reporting
an event, and that's it. Having seen Commander Fravor in
both long and short form interviews, his story does not
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change one bit. The one thing that does stand out
to me is odd and possibly concerning, is that he
emphatically states time and time again that at no time
was he ever pressured or warned not to speak of
this event publicly, And that gives me pause because it
goes against what we've all been told for decades, but
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not only military but mainstream pilots having had experiences. That
part of it doesn't set well with me. I was
literally shocked the first time I heard him asked about
that may have been on the Joe Rogan experience and
he was like, no, nobody ever told me I couldn't
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talk about it, which seems weird, wasn't it. Then we
have David Grush, the whistleblower with big claims. Grush's testimony
before Congress in twenty twenty three was huge. He claimed
the US had recovered non human craft, not only craft,
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but non human biologics as well. Additional bombshells were the
use of term ultra or interdimensional, as well as his
assertion that the United States has been recovering these craft
since the nineteen thirties at the behest of all places,
the Vatican. Now, before I go any further, I have
to say that the latest Luis Alexando interview on the
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Sean Ryan Show, he also confirms knowledge that a tip
was in possession of detailed information, stating that Grusha's claim
of the Vatican's involvement was true. On top of more,
the Vatican has more information. Interesting, It's a good interview.
I'll have to say that that interview that Alexando did
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with Sean Ryan here very recently, within the last couple
of days, I think it aired, did kind of change
my perspective on Alizondo. I'm not going to tell you
where I sat to begin with, but there were periods
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of that conversation, that interview where I think I think
lou led out a little bit more of his his
real self, and that struck me as being endearing. So
I'll just say that it's it's a good interview. It's
worth the watch. Grush continued to go on to say
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that there's an ongoing secret retrieval and reverse engineering program
that are outside the government's oversight, and that they are
being funded by black money, and that the entities engaging
in these recoveries make no bones about illegally keeping this
information hidden from Congress. But and this is a big butt,
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Grush has offered no physical evidence. He says he knows
where the evidence is but hasn't produced it. His overuse
of the claims that he could and would provide more
details and more detailed information while only in a skiff
if he were granted that opportunity. Has that happened? Some
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say yes, while others, like Congressman timber Chet, only kind
of smile and nod when they're asked if the additional
testimony has ever happened. So again, we don't know on
Gresha's credibility. Maybe so far, it seems that he is
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who he says he is and that he's held the
positions that he says he's held, but without proof, it
remains a claim, right, this guy is kind of, in
my opinion, come out of nowhere with a flurry of
bombshell accusations. But since then, where is he gone? Where
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is he gone? I mean I saw Jeremy Corbell, you know,
whip out his iPhone and dial grush up just shortly
before the Immaculate constellation debacle. So he he's around, But
where has he gone? And what is he doing now?
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I mean it was like boom, flashing the pan and
then nothing. Then you have doctor Gary Nolan. He's a
scientist who's essentially looking for answers. Doctor Gary Nolan is
a Stanford professor who has analyzed anomalist materials and currently
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claims that exposure to UAPs has caused significant brain injuries
in some individuals. His claims of possessing anomalist materials seems
to be backed up by even the likes of Diana Pasolka.
She revealed that Nolan accompanied her and another unnamed individual
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to the side of a crash retrieval and left there
with materials in hand. Diana even details the extent of
the difficulties that they went through with him getting through
security at the airport, having had those materials with him.
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It's interesting to note that Pasolka also heavily leans towards
the Vatican's knowledge and vast collection of historical documentation of
this phenomenon. It seems like that is a reoccurring thread
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no matter what your stances on this phenomenon. Nolan's credibility,
in my opinion, he is very high. He's a respected scientist,
but does occasionally make bold claims that he can't fully substantiate.
But to me, he seems to have been drawn into
this conversation, maybe unwittingly, almost as if he's an unknowing
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pawn in all of this. I think his intentions are good.
I think his heart's in the right place, but I
think there may be people pulling the strings to his involvement.
Then you have Chris Bledsoe, the experiencer. Chris Bledsoe's claims
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are more on the paranormal side of UAP experiences. He
ties UFO encounters to religious and supernatural phenomenon. His story
is powerful, yet very positive. It seems very contradictory to
the prevalent national security threat theory by many of those
I mentioned earlier. I do believe that he believes what
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he's saying, But I have to ask is his truth
biased by his admitted faith in Christian beliefs, and should
that even have any bearing on his testimony at all?
I don't know. He makes many claims that several alphabet agencies,
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including NASA, continue to use his knowledge and experience to
further their research. Personally, I've tried. I can't find any
hard evidence that those claims are fact. But again, there's
nothing to really refute them either. I do find it's
interesting that, yet again, his experience points heavily to spirituality
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being a significant opponent of this topic. It is something
that seems to be coming up a lot in recent
years and an underlying threat. As I said, with some
of these other disclosure figures, his credibility, I guess, depends
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on how much weight you give to an experiencer's testimony.
I think it's important to note that mister Bledsoe faced
significant financial hardship and health concerns earlier in his life,
and that seems to be an important part of his story,
which he has written about in his book, Which Is
For Sale? Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily? Then
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you have Jake Barber. I call this guy the wild card.
Jake Barber is a former US Air Force veteran who
has made some bold claims recently about secret technologies. But
he's more of a recent figure in the conversation, his
credibility is still being assessed. He claims to have been
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a pilot for a secret government retrieval team, having been
tasked with recovery of multiple non human craft. In his
recent coming out party on News Nation, I was honestly
touched by his emotional response to being in close proximity
to one of the craft. Again, contrary to the fear
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mongering precedent set by other individuals on the military side
of this phenomenon, would have you believe he's now the
head of his own retrieval tream, A retrieval team sorry,
who relies heavily on the use of psionic assets to
not only summon, but ultimately in some way aid in
the or overtake the piloting of these craft leading to recovery.
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His team essentially works within the public sector now and
apparently has no ties to any government agency. I suppose
the thought there is that anything recovered would immediately be
brought to the public view maybe I find it interesting
that in his full length interview on News Nation, the
bombshell video of the egg shaped non human craft that
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was used in the segment has been proven that it
was not actually the video from the event that Barbera
claims to have been a part of, but it was similar.
Should that in itself be concerning? On a personal note,
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I've watched his appearances in several interviews and video segments.
I have to say that there is something about the
way he presents himself that is quite off putting to me.
At times he seems nervous, at other times mildly aggressive
in his responses, yet he's always very polished. His ten
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years of involvement in these programs on the surface anyway,
seem to check out. But with as new as he
is to the topic within the public view, I think
it's way too early to assign any credibility to his claims.
And we have doctor Stephen Greer, the controversial activist. Stephen
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Greer has been a major figure disclosure since the nineteen nineties.
He founded the Disclosure Project and has brought forward hundreds
of witnesses who claim knowledge of UAP programs. On a
personal note, early on with his first couple of documentaries.
I could not wait to see his next effort. I
could not get enough of his information. But after those
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first two there seemed to be a significant change in
his not so much in his message, but in the
delivery of it, and that's what makes things get kind
of murky for me. He claims the US government has
had anti gravitic technology for decades, but provides no real proof.
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It's all because I say so, because I know, because
they know I know. He maintains the government is in
possession of technology that would allow for zero point energy
to change the world world, yet that they don't want
that to come out. He insists that UAPs are always
peaceful and that the threat narrative is manufactured. He goes
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on to say that reverse engineered technologies are being placed
in man made replicas of these craft and will be
used in a false flag alien invasion to usher in
a one world government. He's made bold claims about consciousness
based contact the CE five Protocols, which involve contacting UAPs
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and their occupants through meditation, which is essentially the same
thing the psionics are doing with the Barber's team. So
there's underlying threads of continuity between all these people. But
the CE five protocol that Greer has brought to light,
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that he promotes heavily. It's a significant income for doctor Greer.
He charges handsomely to attend a CE five Protocol events.
Greer does seem to scoff the credibility of any whistleblowers
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or parts of their testimonies if they haven't come from
within his community. And I find that concerning. So where
do they all agree? Where do they all clash? So
in the agreements, there's a there's a UAP presence that
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devies conventional explanation. The government has more information than it's
letting on. Some UAPs show technology, technological capabilities beyond our
own known science. They can all come to terms with those.
The disagreements are, are UAP's extraterrestrial, interdimensional man made or
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originating from a spiritual or a divine providence? Does the
US actually recover craft or is this all speculation? Is
the government suppressing disclosure or is it just slow to
process the phenomenon. Is it possible the government is using
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this technology to create a false narrative. Could the elements
of the US government remain completely in the dark about
this topic until these congressional hearings, as they would lead
us to believe. Why doesn't this conversation within the United
States ever reflect the fact that these experiences are happening
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all over the world, so much of it seems to
revolve around just the US players and agencies. Why is
this not a worldwide discussion? Is it perhaps that other
nations throughout the globe have shown to be largely more
transparent about this phenomenon with their with their culture, where
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we are not. And then that brings me into the
Immaculate Constellation, which Jeremy Corbel had a significant hissy fit
that he was not recognized or related into the record,
the Congressional record as being the person that produced this
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document to them. Now, I think it's really interesting. I've
read the report and there's a lot of stuff in there.
But I decided to ask chat GTP to analyze the
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twelve pages of the Immaculate Constellation document. I used the
reasoning prompt and asked it to memorize the documents. What
I'm about to read you is the result of that query.
This is from chat GTP. The Immaculate Constellation documents are
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important because they suggest that the UAP disclosure process isn't
happening randomly. Instead, it appears to be a deliberately orchestrated,
phased release of information. Here are the key points. Controlled timing.
The documents imply that the information is being released in
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stages rather than all at once, which could help manage
public reaction and gradually shift perceptions about UAPs. Compartmentalization, they
propose that different insiders and agencies hold separate pieces of
the puzzle. This means no single individual or source can
reveal the full picture, contributing to the inconsistencies we often
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see the blending of fact in fiction. The theory argues
that the real, verifiable data is mixed with unverified or
misleading information. This blending makes it hard to discern the truth,
suggesting that some discrepancies in this public claim may be
intentional technology rollout considerations. One implication is that if advanced
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possibly non human technology has been recovered, its gradual disclosure
might be planned to allow society to adjust without causing
widespread panic or disruption. In essence, the Immaculate Constellation documents
challenge us to think critically about the timing and the
content of UAP disclosures, urging a deeper look at why
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certain pieces of evidence or testimony are released when they
are and what that might mean for our understanding of
these phenomenon. I thought that was very interesting because when
you read the document yourself, there is a lot of
technical jargon in there. There is a lot of initialized
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shortenings of departments, There is a lot of categorization of
types of shapes and colors and appearances of these things,
and when asked to go through it, that's that's what
it came up with. So does this mean does this
(32:32):
explain why Alessando and Grush and Fravor and all these
people who have come out as whistleblowers seem to be
kind of going and coming in waves. Could it be
an intentional roll out rather than an organic one? If so,
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and it seems to be who's controlling it? So my
final take on who is the most credible? If I
had to pick the most reliable sources based on what
has come to fruition, my top three would be. And
believe me when I tell you I had lists upon
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lists upon cross referencing, checklists and pros and cons, and
these are my top three. Who I think is worth
paying attention to and I'll even give you a fourth
(33:36):
as a honorable mention. First was no surprise to me
at all. Could have probably picked this without any effort whatsoever.
Commander David Fraver, no agenda, no hype, just a military
pilot at the highest at the highest rank of ability
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and position, recounting a confirmed UAP encounter that was recorded
on multiple censor interfaces. He was no surprise to me
at all. I knew it was going to be him
before I even started, But in all honesty, I surprised
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myself with this next pick. I truly, truly was not
expecting my list to include this gentleman, not even in
the top three. But at the end of the day,
once all the check marks were in all the corresponding categories,
I can't really argue with my results. So coming in
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at number two is Luis Elizondo. He really hasn't been
caught in any outright falsehoods. He presents a measured approach
to disclosure. He's an expert. As I said in Leaving
Breadcrumb Trails. Do I trust him? Not necessarily, but do
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I believe the things that he says are accurate? I
think I have to go with Yes coming at number
three may seem like an odd choice Doctor Gary Nolan.
He's a scientist with real data. Some of his claims
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obviously require further scrutiny, but again, I think this guy
is maybe in a way harmless in the big picture
of whoever's controlling this. His information is interesting. I think
a lot of what he says is provable but doesn't
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necessarily make waves, doesn't really affect the conversation significantly one
way or another, if that makes sense. I do have
to tell you in an honorable mention on this list,
and I wasn't planning on doing this until I got
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to the end of it. Chris Bloodsoe comes in at
honorable mention. My reasoning behind that is that when you
boil down the term disclosure, to me, that means verifiable
proof and admission that this phenomenon exists. In that aspect,
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the three I just listed above I believe are working
towards that disclosure. When you bring in testimonies like blood Cews,
you're attempting to show discovery of the origin of these things.
To me, those are two completely different animals. I do
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hope that Bledsoes take on it is the truth. I
do hope that now that doesn't mean that the others
are wrong, but it does mean we should be cautious
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about taking every claim at face value. And I think
it warrants to repeat something that I have stated in
so many of my episodes, just how important critical thinking
is on your own outside of what you're being told.
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So what do you think? Who do you trust in
the world of UAP disclosure? Let me know your thoughts,
comment on the video, message me on Instagram. Uncomfortable Podcast
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