Maintaining your drive and passion as an entrepreneur is crucial for long-term success. But how do you keep that entrepreneurial fire burning while avoiding burnout? In this episode, Kevin sits down with Curtis Carnes, an Associate Certified Coach (ACC) through the International Coaching Federation, and dives deep into practical self-care strategies that will help you sustain your entrepreneurial spirit.
Drawing from Curtis’ experiences and insights, he shares four key tactics for nurturing your entrepreneurial drive:
- Setting clear personal and professional goals
- Identifying your "big why" for building wealth
- Establishing daily habits and routines for success
- Engaging in motivational activities and celebrating milestones
We discuss the importance of creating a strong sense of purpose beyond financial gain, how to draft a family mission statement, and ways to incorporate productivity-boosting habits into your daily life. We also explore the power of surrounding yourself with motivated peers and creating a reward system for achieving your goals.
Whether you're a seasoned entrepreneur or just starting out, this episode offers valuable insights on how to care for your most important asset – yourself. Join us to learn how to cultivate a self-care routine that will keep you energized, motivated, and thriving on your entrepreneurial journey!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
All right, well, hey, welcome back everyone to the
Uncommon Freedom Show.
Today we have a special guest,curtis Carnes.
A husband, father, executivecoach and author of
Breakthroughs Are Everywhere.
Curtis has been coachingleaders for over a decade and is
passionate about helping othersachieve trajectory-shifting
(00:27):
breakthroughs.
Curtis, thanks so much forjoining us today.
Tell us a little bit aboutyourself.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, I'd love to talk about it.
My name is Curtis Carnes.
Again, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.
I'm an executive coach in thearea.
I've coached various companies,usually director, director
level, VPs, C-suite.
I've also had this idea calledBreakthrough Groups which I'm in
the process of launching out.
Really, my dream is to helppeople experience breakthroughs
(00:57):
every day, and I know it's ahuge statement the title of the
book that breakthroughs areeverywhere, and I just want to
get that reality out into theworld and not only tell people
that it's true, but actuallyshow people how and that's
really what I'm committing mylife to is to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
That's awesome.
Breakthrough is my year for2023.
So I appreciate the concept andcertainly value someone who's
able to help people experiencebreakthroughs in their life.
So let's talk about personaland professional breakthroughs.
Curtis, you talk a lot aboutthe potential for daily personal
(01:37):
and professional breakthroughs.
Can you share what inspired youto write Breakthroughs Are
Everywhere and how theseconcepts have impacted your own
life?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Absolutely.
I mean, it's true You're goingto hear throughout this podcast,
I'm an evangelist for thebreakthrough life, but I'm also
a convert.
This has been a journey for me.
You see the breakthrough circlein my book.
I've been doing iterations ofthat in my own life for 13 years
(02:07):
and so that's why I communicateto people that they're
everywhere, that you couldexperience them, because I have
and I've seen other peopleexperience them as well and
really like even just recentones like writing this book was
a breakthrough, right, I wasleading a breakthrough group
where I was also functioning asa participant and for me, the
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book, my big breakthrough, wasthe courage to write this book.
Like, one of my intake questions, both for one-on-one coaching
and breakthrough groups, is ifyou were full of courage, what
would you do right now?
And guess what, kevin, I neverhave answered my own intake
questions until that group lastyear and my answer was write
(02:50):
this book and I wrote it.
So that's just a small examplebig, actually big example for me
of just me applying just that.
I'm going to make a discovery,take an action.
Make a discovery, take anaction.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You know, what I love about that question is a lot of
times we use the question ifyou knew you couldn't fail, what
would you do?
But that's actually more of akind of a negative approach to
if you were full of courage,like that's the positive type of
approach to it.
So if you were full of courage,what would you do versus if you
could fail?
Or if you were full of courage,like that's the positive type
of approach to it.
So if you were full of courage,what would you do versus if you
(03:28):
couldn't fail, or if you didn'thave fear, what would you do?
So I really liked that approach.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I appreciate that.
I think that all great coachingis future focused.
We're not looking back at thepast, we're not looking back at
our fears, but we're lookingforward to the future and
stepping into courage.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, that's great.
So let's talk about thebreakthrough equation.
One of the key concepts in yourbook is the breakthrough
equation.
Can you explain what this isand how our listeners can apply
it to their everyday lives tofoster continuous growth?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Absolutely Like.
I think the biggest barrierwe've got to get over is that we
think breakthroughs are rare.
They rarely happen to us and ifwe're lucky, and what I want to
argue is just over the courseof just the last 15 years.
I've just distilled it into avery simple equation and I'm not
(04:24):
saying it's easy but it issimple.
It's discovery times.
Action equals breakthrough, andthe greater the discovery, the
greater the action, the greaterthe breakthrough.
Perfect example and I'll go tomy own life.
And I made a discovery that mycoping mechanism for my anxiety
(04:48):
is food.
So I had that discovery.
It was a family of origin thing.
It was something that I'vealways wanted to tackle and I
made a discovery okay, that's myeating issue problem.
That's where it's derived from.
So I made that discovery.
Now I was able to.
(05:08):
As a result, you know, Iinvited other people into the
journey with me and then I madea courageous action.
I'm going to change the way Ieat and and it wasn't tied to
losing weight, it wasn't tied toeven looking good, it was tied
to I no longer want to use foodas a coping mechanism for my
(05:30):
anxiety.
And huge breakthrough for meright like right now I'm a
testament to that breakthroughis is I no longer turn to food
for my coping mechanism.
That's awesome.
(05:53):
Take me through that process onemore time.
What's the equation?
Yeah, the equation is discoverytimes.
Action equals breakthrough, andI have this tool called the
breakthrough circle that justunpacks how we do that equation
in our daily life.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay, and that's the next question is to talk about
the breakthrough circle.
So that's another one of theintriguing concepts from your
book.
Can you describe what thecircle entails and how it helps
individuals and leaders navigatethrough personal and
professional challenges?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Definitely, because really about it starts with an
inflection point and inflectionpoints at the top of the circle,
and then I define that simplyas this is a moment in time
where change may occur and thenthe keywords may yeah, like, may
occur, and what I'm arguing isthat inflection points are
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happening all around us.
I probably experienced 10inflection points today.
We probably already have hadtwo inflection points in our
conversation today.
But the question is are weseeing them?
And that's what step one ofdiscovery is.
Is that you have to observethem.
That's step one in discovery.
I know it sounds so simple, butthe number one reason we're not
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making discoveries in our lifeis we're not looking for them.
So we got to open that space upin our life.
When you start looking for theinflection points and
discoveries that are all aroundus and it's cool when people
start doing that, they'reeverywhere.
Like it's kind of like seeingthat my son and I really want to
(07:24):
have a Jeep right.
We started talking about thatrecently and now, every time we
see a Jeep, one of us yells Jeepright, and we didn't really see
Jeeps a lot until recently, andnow, since we're talking about
Jeeps, we're seeing Jeepseverywhere on the road, and it's
no different with inflectionpoints or discoveries, like we
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need to start opening our livesup to observe them regularly and
have to talk more about whatthat could look like soon.
But the step two is reflect.
I don't know about you, butI've done this all the time.
Is I observe a discovery andthen I don't reflect on it,
right?
Or?
Or someone or a client observesa discovery and then just moves
(08:09):
on throughout through their dayand just leaves it and doesn't
come back to that.
So that's step two is justreflect.
Like what was important aboutthat inflection point, like what
would happen, you know, if youtook that to its full conclusion
when it comes.
Like writing this book was Iwas reflecting on what's, what's
(08:31):
holding me back, right, andupon further reflection, the
thing that was holding me backfrom writing was I didn't
believe I was a writer, right,and then you, so often when we
reflect, we realize thatactually internal narratives
that we're telling ourselves iskeeping us from moving forward,
(08:53):
and that's what is for me.
So I reflected on that.
Okay, how can I move past that?
And the next step three in thediscovery process is discuss,
and I'm I hate to say this onlyin the last 15 years if I
started inviting other peopleinto my interior world.
(09:15):
And there's something thathappens when we just start
inviting people in Number one ifyou say it out loud, it just
starts to become a reality.
Just saying it out loud, right.
Reality.
Just saying it out loud, right.
(09:35):
Like, for example, I want towrite this book.
I started telling people and itcreated a social peer pressure
for me to write it.
I had another client that saidman, deep down inside, he wanted
to be a two day CEO.
He was the owner of his companyand he just wanted to invest
two days of his week to it.
But he never said it out loud,right?
He's saying to me me in acoaching relationship, and this
is what I want, and it's likeI've never told this to anyone.
(09:56):
So it's interesting that howmuch we keep inside.
And so me and I've seen otherpeople start saying what they
want out loud, start talkingabout their discoveries out loud
, and it's it's big, it opens upthe door and it's saying it out
loud invites other people tojoin you, to introduce you to
(10:17):
relationships, resources oropportunities that you wouldn't
even know are available to youunless you said it out loud.
So that's the discovery process, right?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
you observe, you reflect, you discuss yeah, I, I
really I totally understand andagree with the discussion
portion.
I mean, I agree with all three,but I think the discussion
portion is probably one of the.
I guess they're all importantbecause you don't have one
without the other.
But we've seen it in what mywife and I do.
You know we specialize inhelping people lose weight and
(10:47):
get off the medications andreally get into the best shape
of their life with a lifestyleprogram.
But the vast majority of peoplethat come to us, their initial
reason is weight loss and one ofthe things we tell them is you
know, it's difficult for somepeople especially, you know, but
we say you've got to live yourhealth journey out loud.
(11:08):
You have to tell people, hey,I'm making some changes in what
I'm eating, I'm making somechanges in my lifestyle.
It's not necessarily fun andfor some people there's a lot of
shame involved with it, butwhat that does is it, you know,
it's kind of like thismanifestation type of process as
well as it, like you said, itinvites other people into the
(11:29):
journey.
Because if I'm, you know, I'man alcoholic and I say, hey, I
realize I'm an alcoholic and I'mgoing dry, what that does is
that invites your friends andyour circle into supporting you
on that journey.
You know, instead of offeringyou a beer when you're at a
party, they're actually going tobe looking out for you and
saying, hey, devin, can I giveyou a?
(11:52):
You know, here's a Coke instead, or here's a you know a club
soda instead.
And so I really I see the valueof what you're talking about
right there.
So, all right, let's talk aboutthe break, the five breakthrough
shifts.
You outlined five breakthroughshifts.
Can you briefly walk us throughthese shifts and explain how
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they can lead to significantchanges in one's life and work?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, I do.
Would you like me to unpack theback half of the circle first?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't realize we hadn't got
through that, so let's go aheadand do that first, curtis.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, no problem, like so you got two sides of
that circle discovery, which isobserve, reflect, discuss and
then action.
And I don't know about you, Ihave a cathartic experience with
making discoveries about mylife.
It makes me feel good aboutmyself.
It makes me feel good when I'mcommunicating it to other people
.
But, as my wife always tells me, discovery times zero equals no
(12:55):
breakthrough, and I think oftenpeople think that the discovery
is the breakthrough.
It's not.
Discovery is where it opens thedoor to breakthrough.
So the back half of the circleis action.
The first step is plan, andthree of my favorite questions
for planning is just what's thefirst step is plan, and three of
my favorite questions forplanning is just what's the
first step?
Like what's the first step tostart moving that to reality?
(13:18):
A perfect example writing thisbook.
What was the first step?
It was starting to tell peopleuh, for me, like another
question that I love is what'syour greatest possible imagined
future?
Like, usually we're worst casescenario people Like let's start
casting new imagined futuresthat we want to live into.
And then the question I'vealready shared before is if
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you're full of courage, whatwould you do?
I think that question helps us,guide us to the right action
steps to take.
So, plan that step based on theon the discovery.
The step five is account, andthis is where we've done
accountability wrong.
It's like often inorganizations like I'm gonna
tell you what you're accountablefor, that's wrong.
(14:05):
Like the secret sauce toaccountability is that when the
person that has the discoverycreated the plan that they set
the accountability metric, it'severything.
So, as your health coach, I'm acoach, and to any coach that's
listening, I'll give you, on asilver platter, the best
question to ask.
It's this what question do youwant me to ask you the next time
(14:31):
we connect?
Wow, that's good.
What that does is that theycreate the accountability
question.
It makes it easy for me tofollow up.
You asked me to ask you thatquestion, yeah Right.
And so literally, I usually enda lot of my breakthrough groups
or my one-on-one questions withthat question and then next call
(14:51):
, guess what question I'm asking.
I usually end a lot of mybreakthrough groups or my
one-on-one questions with thatquestion and then next call,
guess what question I'm asking?
The very question they asked meto ask them.
So I would encourage anyone totake that little nugget with you
into any coaching relationship.
And then the last step is act.
That's step six.
That's the fun part.
(15:11):
Like once you act, thebreakthrough occurs.
Right, I no longer go to foodas an anxiety mechanism.
The book is out, the guy's atwo-day CEO now, right, that's
the fun part, because that'swhere the breakthrough occurs.
So what I want to do, what I'mtrying to help people realize,
(15:34):
is that you just keep followingthat cycle.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's the playbook for making breakthroughs a
regular part of your life.
That's good and I love askingthem.
What's the one question youwant me to ask?
Because a lot of times you know, as coaches, accountability
partners you know we have, youknow we've got our own concepts
of all.
Right, this is a question I'mgoing to ask Kevin the next time
I talk to him.
That'll hold him accountable,but that doesn't necessarily
create buy-in for Kevin if he'sthe one I'm trying to hold
(16:06):
accountability.
But by getting that, you know,if someone's being truly honest
with what they need, they'regoing to give you the perfect
question, because I'm comingfrom my perspective and so you
know, if I'm coaching you,curtis, I'm thinking well, if I
was Curtis, this is a question Iwould want to ask, but the
(16:27):
reality is you and I aredifferent people, so that's a
brilliant pivot to say whatquestion do you want me to ask?
I'll be implementing this in mycoaching today, because today
is a busy workday for me where Icheck in with a lot of my
clients.
So I love that, love thatquestion.
So are we ready to move on tothe breakthrough shifts?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
All right yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
So there's five breakthrough shifts that you
talk about in your book.
Can you briefly walk us throughthese shifts and explain how
they can lead to significantchanges in one's life and work.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yes, happy to.
I mean I'm going to share.
A presupposition of my coachingand my writing is that external
change, external outcomes,almost always come from an
internal shift and if you'reonly purely changing external
behaviors, you're only gettingincremental results.
It's internal shifts that haveto get you to a trajectory,
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shifting breakthroughs in yourlife, and the first shift is
called information discovery.
Like there's an informationmyth in our world.
If you had more information, youwould know what to do and you
would do it Right.
Since you're in the healthspace, guess what?
I know?
It's really good for me to eatwell, for a host of reasons.
(17:49):
I've heard that information allthe time.
Right, but does that changed mylife?
No, and then what?
I want to shift people awayfrom the information into
discovery.
It's all about discovery.
What discoveries am I makingabout my professional life, my
personal, my health?
And once you make discovery thecentral point, not information,
(18:12):
it changes everything.
And the reason why I know this,kevin, is that I'm a recovering
information addict.
I like consuming information.
It makes me feel smart, itmakes me feel like I'm doing
something, but I am not.
All I'm doing is accumulatinginformation, and that doesn't
get me much places, but makingdiscoveries does, and that's why
(18:37):
I'm trying to push peopletowards.
We just live in a culture wherethat info knowing information
is overvalued and and makingdiscovery is undervalued, and I
want to flip that yeah, I mean,we're really, really information
gluttons for the most part.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yes, absolutely, I mean with everything.
You know virtually everypossible fact at our fingertips.
You know with our phones, it'seasy to have.
You know all the information weneed, like, the reality is, you
know, we probably all know whatwe need to do to get healthy.
You know to become wealthy.
You know to have a good healthy.
You know to become wealthy.
(19:15):
You know to have a goodmarriage.
You know to be a good parent.
The question is, it's not alack of information, it's the
application and the realizationof it.
So, absolutely, that's great.
That's great.
Let's talk about normalizingbreakthroughs.
I love this concept.
So you emphasize the importanceof normalizing breakthroughs in
.
I love this concept.
(19:35):
So you emphasize the importanceof normalizing breakthroughs in
everyday life.
How can people start to seebreakthroughs as a regular part
of their journey rather thanrare extraordinary events?
Because I think most peopleprobably think breakthroughs are
rare extraordinary events.
But how do we shift to thinkingor to realizing that these are
things that actually happenevery single day?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
shift to thinking or to realizing that these are
things that actually happenevery single day.
Yep, this is my biggest ask ofKevin or the listener.
You have to believe it first,and it's in the introduction of
my book.
It's the only time I make apopular reference I wish I could
(20:15):
make more Seinfeld references,but people are past Seinfeld now
.
I know it's so sad, it's sad,it's so sad, and George Costanza
says this it's not a lie if youbelieve it.
And that's what I say aboutbreakthroughs.
People believe they're rare, soit's true to them.
(20:36):
Yeah, and I want to get peopleto start with belief.
I believe that breakthroughsare everywhere because, like,
once you believe that, you startto see it.
And once you see it, you canstart.
You can start to have them inyour life.
The next thing, so first, isbelieve it.
(20:58):
That's like you have to believeit.
I'm asking you to believe apresupposition, right that
they're everywhere.
Number two is that breakthroughsdon't happen alone.
Too often we thinkbreakthroughs happen alone, and
I'll tell you right now.
I'm looking back on my life,curtis.
(21:19):
Has there ever been a momentwhere I've had a breakthrough in
isolation, like never?
And I just wonder, kevin, haveyou had moments where you've
talked to a mentor, where you'vehad a conversation with someone
that just gave you that newidea, right, where you felt like
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you had a, a partner in crimethat helped you, motivate and
propel the future you wantedforward, right like?
We look back at those momentsand think, man, I wish we could
have those relationships all thetime, right?
Yeah, what I would say is youcan like.
All you have to do isintentionally put them in your
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life, and, whether that be afriend or spouse, whether it be
an executive coach, whether thatbe a breakthrough group, is
that you're structuring yourlife with key relationships that
enable you to havebreakthroughs all the time.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, that's good.
That's good.
In your experience, have youobserved that there's, that it's
not people in general that helpyou have breakthroughs, but
it's certain types of people?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yes, and the certain type of people is people that
can do two things, that theyhave the self-awareness to make
a discovery about their life.
Not everyone has that I wanteveryone to develop that.
And then, number two, thatpeople have the courage to act.
Yeah, that you want to bearound those people, because if
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you have the self-awareness tomake a people have the courage
to act, that you want to bearound those people.
Because if you have theself-awareness to make a
discovery and the courage to act, you get breakthroughs all the
time.
So you really want to getyourself around people like that
.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yep, that's really good, that's great, that's great
.
You know, when you talk aboutnormalizing breakthroughs you
were talking about the Jeepearlier I was trying to remember
the part of the brain that doesthat, and I believe it's called
the reticular activating system, the RAS, and so what you're
talking about is just flippingthat switch and saying you know
what Breakthroughs are happeningeverywhere all the time, and
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when you start looking for them,you actually start seeing them,
looking for them, you actuallystart seeing them, whereas if
you have this concept or thisbelief that they rarely happen
breakthroughs are basicallymiracles that almost never
happen You're just not going tosee them because you don't have
created that awareness andyou're not looking for them,
absolutely.
That's basically what you'retalking about, right?
(23:49):
Yes, okay, very good, very good.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Anything else on normalizing breakthroughs,
before we move on to groups andI just want to highlight one
breakthrough shift that Ihaven't mentioned yet, and I've
had a lot of people read thisbook so much positive feedback.
But I want to tell you what themost important part of the book
(24:13):
is, and people often don'tthink that I'm going to say this
.
They think, oh, it's thebreakthrough circle, it's the
breakthrough group, justcoaching.
No, it's a chapter that'stalked about disconnected to
connected, and there's threeidentity myths that we buy into
all the time you are what you do, you are what people say and
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you are what you have.
And the problem is that when webuy into those identity myths,
our life begins to feel like aroller coaster that we're riding
highs when we have stuff, whenpeople are saying great things
about us, we're doing things,and then when people are saying
bad things about us, we'refailing, we lose something,
(24:56):
we're in despair.
And we need to move beyondthose identity myths.
And I talk about in thatchapter embracing your
self-worth, and there'sdifferent ways one can do that,
but you must embrace yourself-worth.
That's the foundation of havinga breakthrough life, because
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once you embrace your self-worth, you can work and live from
your value, not for it, and thatshift is everything.
So I would encourage people man, if you're buying into one of
those three identity myths, youprobably are, because I probably
bought into one of them todayalready.
(25:40):
Right, it's not a one and done.
It's something we constantlyhave to reject and accept our
self-worth, and that creates afoundation for a breakthrough
life.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's good, that's good.
I like that.
All right.
So you're also offering freetraining materials for those
interested in leadingbreakthrough groups.
Can you tell us more aboutthese groups, what participants
can expect and how they can getinvolved and just get more?
Obviously, they can get yourbook on Amazon.
Is that the primary place toget the book?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, amazon is the primary place to get the book.
Ok, of course I do executivecoaching, one on one, happy to
connect with people.
About that I'm going to tellyou.
I'll give you the dream.
So you asked me, curtis, what'syour best possible imagined
future?
I'll answer the question.
I want breakthrough groups tobe everywhere, and a
breakthrough group is afive-month group coaching
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experience that meets everyother week for 90 minutes.
So it's 10 connections overfive months with five people who
commit to doing, makediscoveries and taking action
together.
Period, nothing else.
And again, this is yourSeinfeld.
Gonna do a Seinfeld referenceseason four, where George
(26:57):
Costanza is in NBC pitching thepitching the pilot jury and he
says this is the show and we'renot going to change it that's
how passionate I am aboutbreakthrough groups because
really it only is about workingpeople around that circle.
It's only about helping peoplemake discoveries and take action
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, holding each other accountableto that.
Because if you you do as agroup, you get to experience
breakthrough together.
And the cool thing about havingthis in a group context is that
once you start saying it outloud, whatever that imagined
future is, whatever that act ofcourage is, you're saying it to
people in a group that want thatfor you and guess what?
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They have relationships,resources, opportunities to help
you win, and that's what's all.
There's so much momentum andcool things to have in these
breakthrough group experiencesthat I want everyone to be able
to experience it, because onething to say breakthroughs are
everywhere is another thing togive people the vehicle to have
(28:02):
that, and one of the vehicles isbreakthrough groups and I've
created training materials, aleader's kid over the last 13
years and I'm going to do a livevirtual training August 2nd and
the first week of December thatanyone who commits a leading a
(28:24):
breakthrough group this fall orthis spring I'll do free.
All the leaders training kitsfree, the live virtual trainings
free, like there's no barrieror entry point.
Because my dream is forbreakthrough groups to be
everywhere.
So I want, at the beginning, togive that away, to create that
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momentum down the hill.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
That's awesome, curtis.
Well, I mean, it's beenincredibly insightful hearing
about your approach tobreakthroughs and personal
growth.
I've learned a lot.
Like I said, I've got somepractical application that I can
implement in my coaching today.
Where can our listeners findout more about your book,
coaching services andbreakthrough groups?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Definitely Everything is found at curtiscarnscom.
It's literally mynamecom.
You can find the books onAmazon and there's a lot.
If you're interested incoaching a breakthrough group,
just email me, curtis atcurtiscarnscom.
And if you're interested incoaching a breakthrough group,
just email me, curtis atCurtisKarnscom.
And if you're willing to launcha breakthrough group in August
(29:30):
23 or January I mean August 24,january 25, I'll give you the
leader's kit and invite a livevirtual training for free.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's awesome, awesome.
Well, hey, curtis, thank youman.
That's been great connectingwith you.
I appreciate the Seinfeldreferences.
My wife and I are huge Seinfeldfans and it is interesting,
especially as I interact withsome of the younger generation.
I'm like you don't know whoSeinfeld is, do you?
I'm like, oh, you're missingout.
You really need to.
I can't remember if it's onNetflix now or whatever, but I
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was like that's classic TV.
The only other show thatcompares, in my personal opinion
, is the Andy Griffith Show.
Those are the two greatestshows ever.
But Seinfeld like.
We have a Seinfeld referenceevery single day of our lives.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So I agree, If this book came out two decades ago,
it would be littered withSeinfeld references.
But people don't.
It doesn't translate anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, it's a shame that's been lost, but hey, man,
I really appreciate your time.
Thank you for sharing yourwisdom.
Thank you for writing the book.
I know it's a huge investmentof time and effort and finances
to write a book.
People think people it's like,oh, you wrote a book.
You know people think peopleyou know it's like, oh, you
wrote a book, you're makingmoney off.
It's like most people don'tmake money off of a book.
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It's a huge investment.
And so, folks, if you want agreat book to help you with some
very simple practical actionsteps, this book, right here is
it.
Curtis, I appreciate it, man.
Take care, take care, take care.
All right, well, hey, welcome back everyone to the
Uncommon Freedom Show.
Today we have a special guest,curtis Carnes.
A husband, father, executivecoach and author of
Breakthroughs Are Everywhere.
Curtis has been coachingleaders for over a decade and is
passionate about helping othersachieve trajectory-shifting
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breakthroughs.
Curtis, thanks so much forjoining us today.
Tell us a little bit aboutyourself.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, I'd love to talk about it.
My name is Curtis Carnes.
Again, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.
I'm an executive coach in thearea.
I've coached various companies,usually director, director
level, VPs, C-suite.
I've also had this idea calledBreakthrough Groups which I'm in
the process of launching out.
Really, my dream is to helppeople experience breakthroughs
(00:57):
every day, and I know it's ahuge statement the title of the
book that breakthroughs areeverywhere, and I just want to
get that reality out into theworld and not only tell people
that it's true, but actuallyshow people how and that's
really what I'm committing mylife to is to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
That's awesome.
Breakthrough is my year for2023.
So I appreciate the concept andcertainly value someone who's
able to help people experiencebreakthroughs in their life.
So let's talk about personaland professional breakthroughs.
Curtis, you talk a lot aboutthe potential for daily personal
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and professional breakthroughs.
Can you share what inspired youto write Breakthroughs Are
Everywhere and how theseconcepts have impacted your own
life?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Absolutely.
I mean, it's true You're goingto hear throughout this podcast,
I'm an evangelist for thebreakthrough life, but I'm also
a convert.
This has been a journey for me.
You see the breakthrough circlein my book.
I've been doing iterations ofthat in my own life for 13 years
(02:07):
and so that's why I communicateto people that they're
everywhere, that you couldexperience them, because I have
and I've seen other peopleexperience them as well and
really like even just recentones like writing this book was
a breakthrough, right, I wasleading a breakthrough group
where I was also functioning asa participant and for me, the
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book, my big breakthrough, wasthe courage to write this book.
Like, one of my intake questions, both for one-on-one coaching
and breakthrough groups, is ifyou were full of courage, what
would you do right now?
And guess what, kevin, I neverhave answered my own intake
questions until that group lastyear and my answer was write
(02:50):
this book and I wrote it.
So that's just a small examplebig, actually big example for me
of just me applying just that.
I'm going to make a discovery,take an action.
Make a discovery, take anaction.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You know, what I love about that question is a lot of
times we use the question ifyou knew you couldn't fail, what
would you do?
But that's actually more of akind of a negative approach to
if you were full of courage,like that's the positive type of
approach to it.
So if you were full of courage,what would you do versus if you
could fail?
Or if you were full of courage,like that's the positive type
of approach to it.
So if you were full of courage,what would you do versus if you
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couldn't fail, or if you didn'thave fear, what would you do?
So I really liked that approach.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I appreciate that.
I think that all great coachingis future focused.
We're not looking back at thepast, we're not looking back at
our fears, but we're lookingforward to the future and
stepping into courage.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, that's great.
So let's talk about thebreakthrough equation.
One of the key concepts in yourbook is the breakthrough
equation.
Can you explain what this isand how our listeners can apply
it to their everyday lives tofoster continuous growth?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Absolutely Like.
I think the biggest barrierwe've got to get over is that we
think breakthroughs are rare.
They rarely happen to us and ifwe're lucky, and what I want to
argue is just over the courseof just the last 15 years.
I've just distilled it into avery simple equation and I'm not
(04:24):
saying it's easy but it issimple.
It's discovery times.
Action equals breakthrough, andthe greater the discovery, the
greater the action, the greaterthe breakthrough.
Perfect example and I'll go tomy own life.
And I made a discovery that mycoping mechanism for my anxiety
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is food.
So I had that discovery.
It was a family of origin thing.
It was something that I'vealways wanted to tackle and I
made a discovery okay, that's myeating issue problem.
That's where it's derived from.
So I made that discovery.
Now I was able to.
(05:08):
As a result, you know, Iinvited other people into the
journey with me and then I madea courageous action.
I'm going to change the way Ieat and and it wasn't tied to
losing weight, it wasn't tied toeven looking good, it was tied
to I no longer want to use foodas a coping mechanism for my
(05:30):
anxiety.
And huge breakthrough for meright like right now I'm a
testament to that breakthroughis is I no longer turn to food
for my coping mechanism.
That's awesome.
(05:53):
Take me through that process onemore time.
What's the equation?
Yeah, the equation is discoverytimes.
Action equals breakthrough, andI have this tool called the
breakthrough circle that justunpacks how we do that equation
in our daily life.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay, and that's the next question is to talk about
the breakthrough circle.
So that's another one of theintriguing concepts from your
book.
Can you describe what thecircle entails and how it helps
individuals and leaders navigatethrough personal and
professional challenges?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Definitely, because really about it starts with an
inflection point and inflectionpoints at the top of the circle,
and then I define that simplyas this is a moment in time
where change may occur and thenthe keywords may yeah, like, may
occur, and what I'm arguing isthat inflection points are
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happening all around us.
I probably experienced 10inflection points today.
We probably already have hadtwo inflection points in our
conversation today.
But the question is are weseeing them?
And that's what step one ofdiscovery is.
Is that you have to observethem.
That's step one in discovery.
I know it sounds so simple, butthe number one reason we're not
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making discoveries in our lifeis we're not looking for them.
So we got to open that space upin our life.
When you start looking for theinflection points and
discoveries that are all aroundus and it's cool when people
start doing that, they'reeverywhere.
Like it's kind of like seeingthat my son and I really want to
(07:24):
have a Jeep right.
We started talking about thatrecently and now, every time we
see a Jeep, one of us yells Jeepright, and we didn't really see
Jeeps a lot until recently, andnow, since we're talking about
Jeeps, we're seeing Jeepseverywhere on the road, and it's
no different with inflectionpoints or discoveries, like we
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need to start opening our livesup to observe them regularly and
have to talk more about whatthat could look like soon.
But the step two is reflect.
I don't know about you, butI've done this all the time.
Is I observe a discovery andthen I don't reflect on it,
right?
Or?
Or someone or a client observesa discovery and then just moves
(08:09):
on throughout through their dayand just leaves it and doesn't
come back to that.
So that's step two is justreflect.
Like what was important aboutthat inflection point, like what
would happen, you know, if youtook that to its full conclusion
when it comes.
Like writing this book was Iwas reflecting on what's, what's
(08:31):
holding me back, right, andupon further reflection, the
thing that was holding me backfrom writing was I didn't
believe I was a writer, right,and then you, so often when we
reflect, we realize thatactually internal narratives
that we're telling ourselves iskeeping us from moving forward,
(08:53):
and that's what is for me.
So I reflected on that.
Okay, how can I move past that?
And the next step three in thediscovery process is discuss,
and I'm I hate to say this onlyin the last 15 years if I
started inviting other peopleinto my interior world.
(09:15):
And there's something thathappens when we just start
inviting people in Number one ifyou say it out loud, it just
starts to become a reality.
Just saying it out loud, right.
Reality.
Just saying it out loud, right.
(09:35):
Like, for example, I want towrite this book.
I started telling people and itcreated a social peer pressure
for me to write it.
I had another client that saidman, deep down inside, he wanted
to be a two day CEO.
He was the owner of his companyand he just wanted to invest
two days of his week to it.
But he never said it out loud,right?
He's saying to me me in acoaching relationship, and this
is what I want, and it's likeI've never told this to anyone.
(09:56):
So it's interesting that howmuch we keep inside.
And so me and I've seen otherpeople start saying what they
want out loud, start talkingabout their discoveries out loud
, and it's it's big, it opens upthe door and it's saying it out
loud invites other people tojoin you, to introduce you to
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relationships, resources oropportunities that you wouldn't
even know are available to youunless you said it out loud.
So that's the discovery process, right?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
you observe, you reflect, you discuss yeah, I, I
really I totally understand andagree with the discussion
portion.
I mean, I agree with all three,but I think the discussion
portion is probably one of the.
I guess they're all importantbecause you don't have one
without the other.
But we've seen it in what mywife and I do.
You know we specialize inhelping people lose weight and
(10:47):
get off the medications andreally get into the best shape
of their life with a lifestyleprogram.
But the vast majority of peoplethat come to us, their initial
reason is weight loss and one ofthe things we tell them is you
know, it's difficult for somepeople especially, you know, but
we say you've got to live yourhealth journey out loud.
(11:08):
You have to tell people, hey,I'm making some changes in what
I'm eating, I'm making somechanges in my lifestyle.
It's not necessarily fun andfor some people there's a lot of
shame involved with it, butwhat that does is it, you know,
it's kind of like thismanifestation type of process as
well as it, like you said, itinvites other people into the
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journey.
Because if I'm, you know, I'man alcoholic and I say, hey, I
realize I'm an alcoholic and I'mgoing dry, what that does is
that invites your friends andyour circle into supporting you
on that journey.
You know, instead of offeringyou a beer when you're at a
party, they're actually going tobe looking out for you and
saying, hey, devin, can I giveyou a?
(11:52):
You know, here's a Coke instead, or here's a you know a club
soda instead.
And so I really I see the valueof what you're talking about
right there.
So, all right, let's talk aboutthe break, the five breakthrough
shifts.
You outlined five breakthroughshifts.
Can you briefly walk us throughthese shifts and explain how
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they can lead to significantchanges in one's life and work?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, I do.
Would you like me to unpack theback half of the circle first?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't realize we hadn't got
through that, so let's go aheadand do that first, curtis.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, no problem, like so you got two sides of
that circle discovery, which isobserve, reflect, discuss and
then action.
And I don't know about you, Ihave a cathartic experience with
making discoveries about mylife.
It makes me feel good aboutmyself.
It makes me feel good when I'mcommunicating it to other people
.
But, as my wife always tells me, discovery times zero equals no
(12:55):
breakthrough, and I think oftenpeople think that the discovery
is the breakthrough.
It's not.
Discovery is where it opens thedoor to breakthrough.
So the back half of the circleis action.
The first step is plan, andthree of my favorite questions
for planning is just what's thefirst step is plan, and three of
my favorite questions forplanning is just what's the
first step?
Like what's the first step tostart moving that to reality?
(13:18):
A perfect example writing thisbook.
What was the first step?
It was starting to tell peopleuh, for me, like another
question that I love is what'syour greatest possible imagined
future?
Like, usually we're worst casescenario people Like let's start
casting new imagined futuresthat we want to live into.
And then the question I'vealready shared before is if
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you're full of courage, whatwould you do?
I think that question helps us,guide us to the right action
steps to take.
So, plan that step based on theon the discovery.
The step five is account, andthis is where we've done
accountability wrong.
It's like often inorganizations like I'm gonna
tell you what you're accountablefor, that's wrong.
(14:05):
Like the secret sauce toaccountability is that when the
person that has the discoverycreated the plan that they set
the accountability metric, it'severything.
So, as your health coach, I'm acoach, and to any coach that's
listening, I'll give you, on asilver platter, the best
question to ask.
It's this what question do youwant me to ask you the next time
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we connect?
Wow, that's good.
What that does is that theycreate the accountability
question.
It makes it easy for me tofollow up.
You asked me to ask you thatquestion, yeah Right.
And so literally, I usually enda lot of my breakthrough groups
or my one-on-one questions withthat question and then next call
(14:51):
, guess what question I'm asking.
I usually end a lot of mybreakthrough groups or my
one-on-one questions with thatquestion and then next call,
guess what question I'm asking?
The very question they asked meto ask them.
So I would encourage anyone totake that little nugget with you
into any coaching relationship.
And then the last step is act.
That's step six.
That's the fun part.
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Like once you act, thebreakthrough occurs.
Right, I no longer go to foodas an anxiety mechanism.
The book is out, the guy's atwo-day CEO now, right, that's
the fun part, because that'swhere the breakthrough occurs.
So what I want to do, what I'mtrying to help people realize,
(15:34):
is that you just keep followingthat cycle.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's the playbook for making breakthroughs a
regular part of your life.
That's good and I love askingthem.
What's the one question youwant me to ask?
Because a lot of times you know, as coaches, accountability
partners you know we have, youknow we've got our own concepts
of all.
Right, this is a question I'mgoing to ask Kevin the next time
I talk to him.
That'll hold him accountable,but that doesn't necessarily
create buy-in for Kevin if he'sthe one I'm trying to hold
(16:06):
accountability.
But by getting that, you know,if someone's being truly honest
with what they need, they'regoing to give you the perfect
question, because I'm comingfrom my perspective and so you
know, if I'm coaching you,curtis, I'm thinking well, if I
was Curtis, this is a question Iwould want to ask, but the
(16:27):
reality is you and I aredifferent people, so that's a
brilliant pivot to say whatquestion do you want me to ask?
I'll be implementing this in mycoaching today, because today
is a busy workday for me where Icheck in with a lot of my
clients.
So I love that, love thatquestion.
So are we ready to move on tothe breakthrough shifts?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
All right yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
So there's five breakthrough shifts that you
talk about in your book.
Can you briefly walk us throughthese shifts and explain how
they can lead to significantchanges in one's life and work.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yes, happy to.
I mean I'm going to share.
A presupposition of my coachingand my writing is that external
change, external outcomes,almost always come from an
internal shift and if you'reonly purely changing external
behaviors, you're only gettingincremental results.
It's internal shifts that haveto get you to a trajectory,
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shifting breakthroughs in yourlife, and the first shift is
called information discovery.
Like there's an informationmyth in our world.
If you had more information, youwould know what to do and you
would do it Right.
Since you're in the healthspace, guess what?
I know?
It's really good for me to eatwell, for a host of reasons.
(17:49):
I've heard that information allthe time.
Right, but does that changed mylife?
No, and then what?
I want to shift people awayfrom the information into
discovery.
It's all about discovery.
What discoveries am I makingabout my professional life, my
personal, my health?
And once you make discovery thecentral point, not information,
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it changes everything.
And the reason why I know this,kevin, is that I'm a recovering
information addict.
I like consuming information.
It makes me feel smart, itmakes me feel like I'm doing
something, but I am not.
All I'm doing is accumulatinginformation, and that doesn't
get me much places, but makingdiscoveries does, and that's why
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I'm trying to push peopletowards.
We just live in a culture wherethat info knowing information
is overvalued and and makingdiscovery is undervalued, and I
want to flip that yeah, I mean,we're really, really information
gluttons for the most part.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yes, absolutely, I mean with everything.
You know virtually everypossible fact at our fingertips.
You know with our phones, it'seasy to have.
You know all the information weneed, like, the reality is, you
know, we probably all know whatwe need to do to get healthy.
You know to become wealthy.
You know to have a good healthy.
You know to become wealthy.
(19:15):
You know to have a goodmarriage.
You know to be a good parent.
The question is, it's not alack of information, it's the
application and the realizationof it.
So, absolutely, that's great.
That's great.
Let's talk about normalizingbreakthroughs.
I love this concept.
So you emphasize the importanceof normalizing breakthroughs in
.
I love this concept.
(19:35):
So you emphasize the importanceof normalizing breakthroughs in
everyday life.
How can people start to seebreakthroughs as a regular part
of their journey rather thanrare extraordinary events?
Because I think most peopleprobably think breakthroughs are
rare extraordinary events.
But how do we shift to thinkingor to realizing that these are
things that actually happenevery single day?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
shift to thinking or to realizing that these are
things that actually happenevery single day.
Yep, this is my biggest ask ofKevin or the listener.
You have to believe it first,and it's in the introduction of
my book.
It's the only time I make apopular reference I wish I could
(20:15):
make more Seinfeld references,but people are past Seinfeld now
.
I know it's so sad, it's sad,it's so sad, and George Costanza
says this it's not a lie if youbelieve it.
And that's what I say aboutbreakthroughs.
People believe they're rare, soit's true to them.
(20:36):
Yeah, and I want to get peopleto start with belief.
I believe that breakthroughsare everywhere because, like,
once you believe that, you startto see it.
And once you see it, you canstart.
You can start to have them inyour life.
The next thing, so first, isbelieve it.
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That's like you have to believeit.
I'm asking you to believe apresupposition, right that
they're everywhere.
Number two is that breakthroughsdon't happen alone.
Too often we thinkbreakthroughs happen alone, and
I'll tell you right now.
I'm looking back on my life,curtis.
(21:19):
Has there ever been a momentwhere I've had a breakthrough in
isolation, like never?
And I just wonder, kevin, haveyou had moments where you've
talked to a mentor, where you'vehad a conversation with someone
that just gave you that newidea, right, where you felt like
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you had a, a partner in crimethat helped you, motivate and
propel the future you wantedforward, right like?
We look back at those momentsand think, man, I wish we could
have those relationships all thetime, right?
Yeah, what I would say is youcan like.
All you have to do isintentionally put them in your
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life, and, whether that be afriend or spouse, whether it be
an executive coach, whether thatbe a breakthrough group, is
that you're structuring yourlife with key relationships that
enable you to havebreakthroughs all the time.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, that's good.
That's good.
In your experience, have youobserved that there's, that it's
not people in general that helpyou have breakthroughs, but
it's certain types of people?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yes, and the certain type of people is people that
can do two things, that theyhave the self-awareness to make
a discovery about their life.
Not everyone has that I wanteveryone to develop that.
And then, number two, thatpeople have the courage to act.
Yeah, that you want to bearound those people, because if
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you have the self-awareness tomake a people have the courage
to act, that you want to bearound those people.
Because if you have theself-awareness to make a
discovery and the courage to act, you get breakthroughs all the
time.
So you really want to getyourself around people like that
.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yep, that's really good, that's great, that's great
.
You know, when you talk aboutnormalizing breakthroughs you
were talking about the Jeepearlier I was trying to remember
the part of the brain that doesthat, and I believe it's called
the reticular activating system, the RAS, and so what you're
talking about is just flippingthat switch and saying you know
what Breakthroughs are happeningeverywhere all the time, and
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when you start looking for them,you actually start seeing them,
looking for them, you actuallystart seeing them, whereas if
you have this concept or thisbelief that they rarely happen
breakthroughs are basicallymiracles that almost never
happen You're just not going tosee them because you don't have
created that awareness andyou're not looking for them,
absolutely.
That's basically what you'retalking about, right?
(23:49):
Yes, okay, very good, very good.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Anything else on normalizing breakthroughs,
before we move on to groups andI just want to highlight one
breakthrough shift that Ihaven't mentioned yet, and I've
had a lot of people read thisbook so much positive feedback.
But I want to tell you what themost important part of the book
(24:13):
is, and people often don'tthink that I'm going to say this
.
They think, oh, it's thebreakthrough circle, it's the
breakthrough group, justcoaching.
No, it's a chapter that'stalked about disconnected to
connected, and there's threeidentity myths that we buy into
all the time you are what you do, you are what people say and
(24:35):
you are what you have.
And the problem is that when webuy into those identity myths,
our life begins to feel like aroller coaster that we're riding
highs when we have stuff, whenpeople are saying great things
about us, we're doing things,and then when people are saying
bad things about us, we'refailing, we lose something,
(24:56):
we're in despair.
And we need to move beyondthose identity myths.
And I talk about in thatchapter embracing your
self-worth, and there'sdifferent ways one can do that,
but you must embrace yourself-worth.
That's the foundation of havinga breakthrough life, because
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once you embrace your self-worth, you can work and live from
your value, not for it, and thatshift is everything.
So I would encourage people man, if you're buying into one of
those three identity myths, youprobably are, because I probably
bought into one of them todayalready.
(25:40):
Right, it's not a one and done.
It's something we constantlyhave to reject and accept our
self-worth, and that creates afoundation for a breakthrough
life.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's good, that's good.
I like that.
All right.
So you're also offering freetraining materials for those
interested in leadingbreakthrough groups.
Can you tell us more aboutthese groups, what participants
can expect and how they can getinvolved and just get more?
Obviously, they can get yourbook on Amazon.
Is that the primary place toget the book?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, amazon is the primary place to get the book.
Ok, of course I do executivecoaching, one on one, happy to
connect with people.
About that I'm going to tellyou.
I'll give you the dream.
So you asked me, curtis, what'syour best possible imagined
future?
I'll answer the question.
I want breakthrough groups tobe everywhere, and a
breakthrough group is afive-month group coaching
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experience that meets everyother week for 90 minutes.
So it's 10 connections overfive months with five people who
commit to doing, makediscoveries and taking action
together.
Period, nothing else.
And again, this is yourSeinfeld.
Gonna do a Seinfeld referenceseason four, where George
(26:57):
Costanza is in NBC pitching thepitching the pilot jury and he
says this is the show and we'renot going to change it that's
how passionate I am aboutbreakthrough groups because
really it only is about workingpeople around that circle.
It's only about helping peoplemake discoveries and take action
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, holding each other accountableto that.
Because if you you do as agroup, you get to experience
breakthrough together.
And the cool thing about havingthis in a group context is that
once you start saying it outloud, whatever that imagined
future is, whatever that act ofcourage is, you're saying it to
people in a group that want thatfor you and guess what?
(27:41):
They have relationships,resources, opportunities to help
you win, and that's what's all.
There's so much momentum andcool things to have in these
breakthrough group experiencesthat I want everyone to be able
to experience it, because onething to say breakthroughs are
everywhere is another thing togive people the vehicle to have
(28:02):
that, and one of the vehicles isbreakthrough groups and I've
created training materials, aleader's kid over the last 13
years and I'm going to do a livevirtual training August 2nd and
the first week of December thatanyone who commits a leading a
(28:24):
breakthrough group this fall orthis spring I'll do free.
All the leaders training kitsfree, the live virtual trainings
free, like there's no barrieror entry point.
Because my dream is forbreakthrough groups to be
everywhere.
So I want, at the beginning, togive that away, to create that
(28:46):
momentum down the hill.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
That's awesome, curtis.
Well, I mean, it's beenincredibly insightful hearing
about your approach tobreakthroughs and personal
growth.
I've learned a lot.
Like I said, I've got somepractical application that I can
implement in my coaching today.
Where can our listeners findout more about your book,
coaching services andbreakthrough groups?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Definitely Everything is found at curtiscarnscom.
It's literally mynamecom.
You can find the books onAmazon and there's a lot.
If you're interested incoaching a breakthrough group,
just email me, curtis atcurtiscarnscom.
And if you're interested incoaching a breakthrough group,
just email me, curtis atCurtisKarnscom.
And if you're willing to launcha breakthrough group in August
(29:30):
23 or January I mean August 24,january 25, I'll give you the
leader's kit and invite a livevirtual training for free.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's awesome, awesome.
Well, hey, curtis, thank youman.
That's been great connectingwith you.
I appreciate the Seinfeldreferences.
My wife and I are huge Seinfeldfans and it is interesting,
especially as I interact withsome of the younger generation.
I'm like you don't know whoSeinfeld is, do you?
I'm like, oh, you're missingout.
You really need to.
I can't remember if it's onNetflix now or whatever, but I
(30:04):
was like that's classic TV.
The only other show thatcompares, in my personal opinion
, is the Andy Griffith Show.
Those are the two greatestshows ever.
But Seinfeld like.
We have a Seinfeld referenceevery single day of our lives.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So I agree, If this book came out two decades ago,
it would be littered withSeinfeld references.
But people don't.
It doesn't translate anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, it's a shame that's been lost, but hey, man,
I really appreciate your time.
Thank you for sharing yourwisdom.
Thank you for writing the book.
I know it's a huge investmentof time and effort and finances
to write a book.
People think people it's like,oh, you wrote a book.
You know people think peopleyou know it's like, oh, you
wrote a book, you're makingmoney off.
It's like most people don'tmake money off of a book.
(30:49):
It's a huge investment.
And so, folks, if you want agreat book to help you with some
very simple practical actionsteps, this book, right here is
it.
Curtis, I appreciate it, man.
Take care, take care, take care.
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