October 7, 2025 • 40 mins
Bek and Kev reunite in the studio after nearly a year to honor the legacy of Charlie Kirk – a friend, mentor, and truly Uncommon Man who left an indelible mark on our nation. Fresh from attending his memorial service, they share powerful reflections on how this extraordinary event felt more like a revival than a funeral, with thousands gathering in peaceful tribute.
Through personal anecdotes and thoughtful analysis, they explore the core values Charlie championed that made him such a transformative figure. From his ability to speak truth with love to his courageous stance during the COVID lockdowns, Charlie modeled a counter-cultural approach to manhood that resonated deeply with young people across America.
The most moving moment came when Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, demonstrated remarkable spiritual strength by offering forgiveness to her husband's killer just weeks after the assassination. This profound act of faith left hardened men weeping and showcased the distinctive power of Christian forgiveness in a culture often driven by revenge.
Bek and Kev break down Charlie's most impactful sayings – from "courage takes no skill" to "live for more than yourself" – and discuss how these principles apply to parenting, marriage, and community-building. They reflect on raising teenage boys in today's challenging cultural landscape and how Charlie's example provides a roadmap for nurturing the next generation of courageous leaders.
Whether you were a longtime follower of Charlie Kirk or are just learning about his impact, this heartfelt conversation offers valuable insights about faith, courage, and living a life of purpose. Join us as we celebrate an uncommon man whose legacy continues to inspire a revival across America.
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Kev (00:01):
Hey friends, welcome back to the Uncommon Freedom Show
with Bek and Kev.
Bek (00:07):
Together again.
Kev (00:08):
Yes, it has been a really long time.
It's been almost a year sincewe recorded together and we are
continuing the Uncommon mantheme to do a tribute podcast to
probably certainly the mostuncommon man of the 21st century
so far.
I mean, we're only 25 yearsinto it, but we are fresh off of
(00:33):
the incredible memorial servicefor our friend, Charlie Kirk,
and it was an unbelievableexperience and he's someone that
we considered a friend.
He was not a close friend, butwe did get to know him.
He actually came and spoke atour house almost four years ago
for an event where we raised, Ithink, $240,000 that night.
Bek (00:56):
Epic night.
Kev (00:57):
It was an incredible night we were.
Let's see, we're in this house.
We are rushing to getlandscaping done.
Oh yes, that's right, it was acrazy rush and it ended up being
an absolute incredible night.
Brandon Tatum, the officerTatum, came that night.
We also had Congresswoman KatKamak from Florida.
(01:19):
She just had a baby.
Oh, very cool, congratulationsto her.
But we just want to spend acouple minutes and just kind of
reflect on some of the thingsthat stood out for us as some of
the values that Charlie stoodfor as missions was really
inspiring young men biblicalmanhood, to step into biblical
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manhood, and he was doing it inhis unique brand, um, but really
a similar mission to what youknow what I'm on and what we're
about with uncommon freedom.
So any thoughts?
Bek (02:00):
Just that his uncanny knack for speaking truth and love was
something to not only beadmired but just to learn from.
You realize he followed the wayJesus really handled things,
which was to do things inrelationship to people not
against people, but inrelationship to bring truth to
them, but do it in a lovingmanner and I think he navigated
(02:21):
that really well.
Kev (02:23):
And we saw a lot of evolution and development in how
he handled that.
Bek (02:26):
Certainly, we all get better with time.
Yeah, the hope is we get betterwith time, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Kev (02:32):
I didn't know who he was until our friend Thea sent me.
I remember it was.
Bek (02:36):
I was trying to figure out how we first heard about his
podcast.
We were in Miami.
Kev (02:40):
It was the summer of 2020 for Thea's birthday party.
Bek (02:42):
It was the summer of 2020 for.
Kev (02:43):
Thea's birthday party.
Yes, and she sent me a podcastwith Charlie and Jack Hibbs.
Bek (02:49):
Ah, yes, okay.
Kev (02:57):
And so we're talking about.
We are in the throes of thelockdown and Charlie was one of
the few voices that was really,and Jack Hibbs, as a pastor, was
one of the few minority that,early on, saw through the facade
of safety and everything.
Bek (03:08):
Really speaking common sense when it felt like the
world and our government hadlost their minds.
Kev (03:12):
Absolutely, and that was when we really got exposed to
him and, probably within a monthor two, started supporting
Turning Point, because once welearned what their mission was,
we got on board with it, andduring that season it was kind
of a slow season in many waysand we would go to events and
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that's how we got to meet himpersonally and then invite him
to come speak at our event.
So that's how we got introducedto him.
Bek (03:42):
It was a big, bold ask.
He said, yes, he had a verybusy fall.
It was.
You know, he was doing hiscampus tours back then, but they
were nothing like the schedulehe runs now.
And yet he was still swampedand I remember they made time to
run him over have him speak.
He ran out right after he spoke.
We didn't get any extra timewith him, but we were just so
grateful to have his voice andthe voices of the other amazing
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speakers that came.
Kev (04:04):
Yeah, and as we, you know, kind of in the wake of, you know
, his tragic assassination, Ihad a number of people reach out
to me and say, like I didn'tknow who Charlie Kirk was until
I came to that fundraiser atyour house, and so it was.
You know, it's cool to be ableto connect people to his mission
and what he stood for.
(04:26):
Um, but uh, let's just, we'll,we'll get into it.
Actually, your thoughts, I meanthe more memorial, was
incredible.
Bek (04:33):
Oh, my goodness.
Uh, it was what we could ask orimagine uh, a very long day.
Kev (04:38):
It was an emotional, exhausting day.
Bek (04:40):
Um, but really number one.
Just hats off to TP USA forpulling that together in one
week.
It was done professionally.
It was amazing to be aroundlike-minded, like-hearted
Americans who came there for onereason to honor Charlie, who
were patriotic, who were patientand kind when it was hot and
the lines were long and peoplewere just so joyful.
They were just not aware of anylooting or rioting.
(05:03):
No, nothing.
Kev (05:04):
I.
I didn't even see protesters,but I heard there was a couple,
but I mean obviously just thekindness to show strangers.
Bek (05:11):
I mean, we had an epic entry because we were going in a
certain entrance that wecouldn't walk through, had to be
in a vehicle and literally itwas a dumb and dumber moment of
pick them up up.
And here we were, in our dressclothes, jumping into the back
of pickup trucks with totalstrangers, all dressed up,
sitting on each other's laps andpiling in and getting squished
and sweating together, andeveryone was just joyful and
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happy to do it and the peopledriving their vehicles were
happy to open their vehicles torandom strangers and it was just
a picture of the you know thehealthiest of the American way.
It was just a beautiful way tocome into the whole event.
And then, obviously, the waythey it was just a beautiful way
to come into the whole event.
And then, obviously, the theway they honored him was
incredible, with from multiplespeakers to incredible worship.
I mean it felt like a pictureof heaven, a piece of heaven
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just to be there.
And nothing wrecked me morethan the moment of silence when
all the cards were held up andthey were just honoring him.
And yeah, I mean you and I wereabsolutely shocked to just hear
about what was happening to him.
We're praying fervently for himto survive and once he passed,
like most people felt like howcould this happen at this time
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to such a person like this, whenhe was so important to our
nation and to our freedom?
But, of course, only the Lordknows what comes next, and it's
just you know what we've beensaying in this season.
Of course, only the Lord knowswhat comes next, and it's just a
.
You know what we've been sayingin this season of parenting,
because we are in a reallydifficult season of parenting.
Still, there's seasons thatcome and go, but it's been a
long one.
It's been a one that's neededsteadfastness, and so one of the
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things I keep saying is God isa promise keeper and I trust him
, even when things don't seem tobe going our way or looking
bright.
And knowing that, going intoCharlie's assassination, I think
, and just seeing what came outon the other end the beautiful,
beautiful revival that'shappening across the country
it's like God knew what wouldhappen if this took place and he
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decided that these people'ssouls were worth taking Charlie
at this time and making anopportunity for people to really
reconcile themselves to theLord.
Kev (07:09):
Yeah, and it was amazing in the wake of his passing, just
the impact that he had.
I mean, he was one of the mostactive voices probably in the
world, between being on hispodcast and radio for about
three hours a day and all theother interviews and then on the
live events we were listeningto him at the beginning, when he
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was just kind of getting going,and so I think you know COVID
obviously gave him a verypowerful voice.
Bek (07:34):
He'd been working behind the scenes tirelessly, but as
far as his popularity, you know,I was shocked that all over the
country people knew who he was.
Kev (07:43):
Yeah, I mean I've.
I've never seen any deathimpact people.
Bek (07:47):
Yeah.
Um of, of of a current personin a positive way, right and.
Kev (07:52):
I've never seen so many grown men cry.
I mean my my groups of friends.
I mean, it was.
It's just incredible.
Bek (07:58):
I was sharing that.
You know in where we weresitting for the event.
Uh, when Erica Kirk wasspeaking, I watched someone in
their seventies and grown man.
I saw him completely wrecked,like just sobbing, weeping,
really weeping, uh, at herwillingness to forgive and just
her heart.
And he was so broken and it wasjust.
(08:19):
I don't even know who he was orwhere he came from, I didn't
know anything about him, Um, butjust watching the effect on him
reminds us of our humanity, Ithink, and truly the part of the
best part of the human spirit,which is the caring for other
people and seeing them suffer,and and, and having compassion
in those moments.
Kev (08:37):
So yeah, that was uh.
To me that was probably themost most profound moment of the
day.
I mean, goodness gracious, youthink about someone taking
either your spouse or your kidsand, within two weeks, offering
forgiveness.
Bek (08:55):
I mean I think I heard on the news that even the families
from the Catholic shooting theywere saying the same thing.
So it's not an easy thing or atrite thing that Christians,
especially we're called toforgive.
But I don't think that it'ssomething that you should take
lightly or just say and youcould see on Erica's face and
the emotion that it took for herto get the words out that it
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wasn't an easy choice for her.
And it won't continue to be aneasy choice.
Kev (09:19):
We've learned through having to forgive people for
much less than what erica'shaving to forgive people for and
it's still hard forgiveness Imean, that's why jesus says it's
70 times seven.
In other words, you're gonnahave to do it over and over it's
not like you decide stillworking on it with a few yeah in
my own heart.
Yeah yeah, um, I was listeningto something today and um, it
(09:41):
was.
It was.
It was charlie's podcast, andthe team team that's continuing
carrying the torch was talkingabout the fact that Erica's
explanation for forgiveness is.
I want to make sure that I see,charlie on the other side, and
Jesus said if you don't forgive,you will not be forgiven, and
(10:01):
so she's like living out it's aconscious decision that if I
don't forgive him, wow I willnot be forgiven yeah and so it
really is.
It's it's living out faith andreally a stark contrast to how
the left operates yeah, um whereit's when it's just you know
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they're about, we're gonna, youknow we need to be violent.
I mean you think some of thepoliticians on the left that
have literally incited violencelike we have to go to war
against these people.
Bek (10:37):
And really tarnish his reputation by taking clips of
things out of context.
I mean, Charlie was a humanbeing.
He wasn't a perfect man and alot of people might not agree
with everything that he said orthe way he shared it, but you
can see the kindness of that manand the strength of that man in
so much of his commentary.
If you listen to full clips andyou watch him really engage
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with people.
Kev (10:59):
And the other thing is I mean, one of the things that
Charlie was so good at isbringing people together
Absolutely, because you know hewould have people at his events
that vehemently disagreed ondifferent policy issues and like
we wouldn't even necessarilyagree on everything he says.
But looking for people, judgingpeople based on you know, I'm
(11:21):
only going to follow, believe,like people that I agree with
100%.
I mean you and I couldn't evenlike each other because, even
though that we are, there's noone that shares my values more
than you do, right, but there'sstill 1% of things that we
disagree, agree about, right, um, I, I mean, and, and so it's
(11:41):
like, definitely you can chewthe meat, spit out the bones and
you look at the overall contentand the overall character.
So a couple of key takeawaysfrom Charlie that I think are a
great application for all of us,and especially young men, is
his statement about beingcourageous.
It takes no skill, that's right.
(12:04):
All you have to do is say yesand you think about, you know,
during COVID, the courageousservice members and other people
who said no to the vaccine thatyou know that put their either
put their job on the line orliterally did lose their jobs.
Some people knew it, they weretaking a big risk.
Other people ended up losing it.
It doesn't take skill.
(12:26):
I would say courage is one ofthe most desperately needed
virtues and the most lackingvirtues, certainly in our
society.
Bek (12:35):
Well, I hope courage has truly been awakened through this
process.
I really think it has.
Yes, I can remember and this islike baby courage compared to
what most you know like anythingthat Charlie did or anything
anyone in the public eye.
But I remember shopping in 2020and every time I went into the
store no, it wasn't like I lovedshopping before COVID, but
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during COVID I felt like I wasgoing into battle, like I had to
wear my boots and strap on myequipment to be able to go into
the store and ignore theannouncements telling me that I
should be wearing a mask and Ishould stay six feet apart, and
I was out of compliance and Iwas wrong and walking against
the grain with all the peopledoing it you know, 90% of the
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people doing it and it was just.
I remember the discomfort in mysoul to do it, knowing that I I
felt my convictions were correct, I did not need to wear one, I
was not afraid, I did not getsick, and yet just being in that
environment was souncomfortable and that's like a
tiny example of courage, like sosmall, ridiculous, silly even,
(13:40):
but it was.
But we didn't see a lot ofpeople doing it back then and so
, as the cost gets higher andthe results are going to be more
important in the long term, Ireally hope that people put that
courage on like a piece ofarmor and they start wearing it
every day.
Kev (13:57):
And we were the rebels.
Bek (13:59):
But we've been proven right about absolutely everything
that was mainstream during thattime frame and honestly grateful
our kids had a relativelynormal experience during that
season because we lived in thegreat state of Arizona.
They went to a great school andwe chose not to parent with
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fear and so yeah, it was aninteresting time, but now we
have to be more courageous.
I mean we're leading with ourfaith more than we have in any
other time in life.
And you know, we run a businessand we want to help everyone.
We don't want to help onlypeople that share our faith.
So it is a risk and I'mactually going to talk about
this with my upcoming networkinggroup about what, why alignment
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matters.
And you know, can we walk inthis nebulous place of like not
really expressing our faith inbusiness?
We can, because we don't wantto make people feel like they
can't come to us.
But at the same time, when youhave the conviction in your soul
of watching that experienceover the weekend and realizing
that if we, if we don't standfor something, we fall for
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almost anything.
And people don't necessarilypeople who desperately need the
best thing we can offer them,which is a faith in Jesus Christ
.
If we don't talk about that andat least offer people that
opportunity by knowing us, thenwe're missing the great
commission.
Kev (15:18):
Yeah.
Bek (15:18):
And so I just feel, like you know we're leading ourselves
more in that way and hopefullywe don't alienate people,
because we really are, you know,interested in helping all
people get healthier and start abusiness and work from home and
have time freedom.
Kev (15:29):
Right.
If we help people get healthand they lose their soul.
Bek (15:32):
It's worthless.
What does it matter?
Kev (15:34):
That's I mean.
One of the things that Idefinitely observed about
Charlie is that you know it'spart of the maturing process and
probably part of the mentoringprocess.
You know he was surrounded bysome incredible people.
Um is that if you look at theevolution of his public content,
you know, towards those lastcouple of years, like like faith
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was leading everything that hedid Um.
It was less about policy, lessabout politics, and politics was
a way to connect with people,with people and to have
conversations with people toughconversations, right, but he was
leading with his faith and youknow I was just sharing.
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Well, frequently or let me putit, occasionally I will, I will
take advantage of theopportunity, before we start to
play poker, to just share thegospel in a very simple way, uh,
but you know, we were blessedwith an incredible house and a
lot of times people are like,wow, this is an awesome house.
You know, this is the coolestpoker setup I've ever seen um
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and I love it.
But when we built this house,number one, like we were leading
um from the future we were weknew that we wanted to have
community um, we, we knew thatwe were building something that
was going to be incredible butbe able to be used for eternal
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purposes and and and so kind of.
You know, like Charlie justsaying hey guys, you know it's,
it's awesome, this is.
You know, poker night is thehighlight of my month, every
single month, or one of thehighlights.
I absolutely love it.
It's a.
It's an incredible time of justfun with guys.
But if I let people who don'tknow Jesus pass through our yard
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time after time without knowingwho is the source of our
blessings and who is the sourceof eternity, then this is
worthless.
And I would just encourageeveryone to have the courage.
And one of the other guys whocame who is first timer but a
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mutual friend, he said that justby me sharing he's like I was
inspired just to be more boldabout my beliefs and why I do
what I do, and I think Charlieis a great example of that for
all of us.
One of the other things Charliesaid is that there is a God and
you are not him.
Love that saying.
Bek (18:09):
I'm grateful I'm not God, because I could not handle.
If anything the last two weekshas taught me, is that my soul
and really this is for all of us, our souls were not meant to
carry the pain that this worldcan bring by knowing everything
at the same time through socialmedia, seeing mean, hateful
comments, seeing pain onpeople's faces, watching a
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tragic event like that, like oursouls are just not meant to
carry all that, and we haveallowed ourselves, through
technology obviously, to see itall.
And what it keeps reminding meis I'm so grateful that we serve
a God that is so big.
He's beyond my understanding.
He holds the ocean in his handsis what scripture says, and
when I have a picture like thatof the fact that he holds the
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oceans, which none of us cancomprehend because we can stand
on the shore and not even seethe end of the ocean, or he owns
a cattle on a thousand hills,when we have those word pictures
from scripture, it's a reminderthat he's so big, he's meant to
carry all those things, and soit's a humbling reminder of
really who we are on this earth.
Kev (19:13):
And one of the main concepts that Charlie was
combating on campuses is isbasically nihilism.
Like we as individuals are notgods, Right.
And there has to be a source oftruth, there has to be a
definition of what is right andwhat is wrong, and the reality
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is there is a God.
You can't deny it.
Every little kid that looks atanything that was created knows
someone created it Right.
And do I have an answer as tohow God came about to be
Absolutely not?
That's part of faith, is like.
I don't have an explanation forit, but I don't need one.
The evidence for Jesus Christis unbelievable, is overwhelming
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.
It's very clear and convincing,is overwhelming.
It's very clear and convincing,and just understanding that we
have to allow for us to not beGod, because if we are, if we're
all gods, you know, theneverything's relative and that
leads to absolute chaos, and soI love that one.
Bek (20:20):
Another one.
Kev (20:21):
And I think, as parents of teenagers, three teenager boys
stop being a boy and become aman.
You know, this is alsosomething that is rampant in our
culture and it's really onlybeen going on for about 100
years, like the concept ofadolescence and teenagers didn't
come around until about 100years ago.
You know, 100 years ago, youknow a hundred years ago, by the
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time a young man was about 14years old, he's getting married,
he's working a farm or you knowhe is, he's out on his own,
he's having to provide for hiswife and and some kids are going
to be coming along very quickly.
And you had to grow up.
Bek (20:57):
He had a lot of responsibility in his teenage
years which, when we finally hadthat concept from a book, we
were like, oh my goodness, youknow, so many parents are
babying their kids into theirtwenties.
They're making their lunches,they're doing their laundry, and
it's one thing to you know.
Again, as a mom, I can tell youit's hard, like we have a
nurturing heart, we want to care, we want to take care of things
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, but it takes discipline on thepart of parenting to expect
responsibility, to require it,to celebrate it, to transfer it
Like those are.
Those are important concepts asour kids are becoming teenagers
not getting out of teenagerhoodreally, as they're becoming
teenagers, it's importantbecause it's developing them
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Basically.
You know, the concept that weheard is they're closer to
adulthood as teenagers than theyare childhood and we often feel
like it's an extension ofchildhood.
And then they get to be adultswhen they, you know, get to
their late teens, early twenties.
But the truth is they should bewell on their way to adulthood
in the middle of that timeframe.
Kev (21:56):
Yeah.
Bek (21:57):
Even though, as boys, their brains are not developed yet,
but they're getting there and Ithink the struggle in those
years is actually what reallycreates the resilience that they
need.
And what's really cool is tosee the effect that Charlie had
on that younger generation andseeing both you know, elementary
, middle school kids, and evenboys especially really follow
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him and be interested in whathe's saying and want to become
men, strong, uncommon men likehim.
And then the college campusesare just overflowing with guys
that want to do that and that'sthe kind of men that our
daughter is going to want tomarry someday and many of these
other women and girls arelooking for those kinds of men
to step up.
Kev (22:36):
Yeah, the whole, you know, wild at heart concept like boys
were made for adventure.
They were made for risk yes,hard concept.
Like boys were made foradventure they were made for
risk.
Bek (22:45):
Yes, oh geez.
If that's not true, all theparents of boys, all the moms of
boys, you get it.
You know how many ways can theykill themselves.
As you know, young, young boysat home, you know jumping on
things, climbing things.
Kev (22:57):
And the other thing is, you know, boys will rise to our
expectations.
So if, if in mind, you thinkthey can't cook for themselves,
they can't clean up afterthemselves, they can't do
laundry, you know they can'tbike to work that's two miles
away or something like that.
They can't walk places, they'll, they'll.
If you keep your expectationslow, they will gladly live at
those expectations.
(23:18):
We all see comfort, raise thoseexpectations, expectations, we
all see.
Comfort, raise thoseexpectations.
Um, they will absolutely riseto them and there'll be much
better off.
I mean, I was just um earliertoday interviewing my friend, uh
Dell, who grew up in Haiti andhe was providing for his family
of seven at the age of 16.
Bek (23:38):
Wow.
Kev (23:39):
And we're so stinking spoiled in America it's, it's
hurting us and this is where youknow we love the, the, the
axiom right Um strong men creategood times.
Good times create weak men.
weak men create um tough bad,tough, bad times tough times and
tough times create strong menand, um, I feel like we're in a
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turning point, men, and I feellike we're in a turning point.
No pun intended, but that's theperfect term for Charlie's
organization of we were we had aan excess of weak men and it
was creating some tough times.
Bek (24:13):
Yes, absolutely.
Kev (24:13):
And I'm seeing this resurgence of of of men really
wanting saying enough is enough,it's time to become.
Bek (24:21):
Dylan, you know, our 14 year old went with us to the
memorial and I just looked athim multiple times and I said
this is history in the making.
Yeah, what a privilege.
Oh, my gosh, I'm going to getchoked up saying this, but
multiple times I just said toGod thank you for letting us
witness this, like I.
I don't know if there'll bemore experiences like this in
the coming years.
There probably will be, andthere's been certain things in
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the past that have beenrevolutionary, but to be, uh, to
be a part of history right nowis incredible, and it's such an
honor that God's letting us intothis plan that he has, because
it's just really neat to watch.
Yeah and um, we've seen enoughof the yucky stuff and the hard
stuff that you know.
Honestly, in the 2020s or youknow, in 2020, I was thinking,
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man, this world sucks, and I'mnot really happy to be living
here right now, and even thoughit's nothing compared to heaven,
seeing this revival come,watching people's hearts and
minds change, I'm so grateful tobe a witness to that and be a
part of it right now.
And you know, as we've about,raising kids in this era is
really difficult.
There's a lot between socialmedia technology.
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I think every decade isdifficult, every season for
every generation of parents, butthis is definitely a difficult
one, and when the kids weremoving into the teenage years
and I remember thinking like, ohmy gosh, why do we have to
raise kids like this?
I would love to raise them inthe 80s or 90s, which they had
their own problems back then.
We had our own problems backthen.
Kev (25:44):
We had.
Bek (25:45):
MTV.
Kev (25:45):
We did Well, I didn't, but I saw it at some people's houses
.
Bek (25:50):
We did, but God just kept reminding me.
You are the age you are at, atthe stage you are at with the
kids that you are at, because Ihave appointed you for this time
and, as we've walked throughsome of these challenging times,
it's like we also get to beappointed to be a part of this
potential massive turning point,which is incredible.
Kev (26:09):
Yeah, all right.
His next saying absolutely loveit, get married, preach, yeah,
I mean uh we love it Cause wegot married young.
Bek (26:19):
We do, and I, I mean I'm, I encourage my kids find the
right woman and got marriedyoung.
Kev (26:21):
We do, and I mean I encourage my kids find the right
woman and get married young,Like our life is so much better,
absolutely.
I mean there are so manyadvantages.
I remember hearing a statisticyears ago that actually and it
surprised me when I heard itthat the age group that has the
lowest divorce rate wassomething like 20 to 24.
It was 18.
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It was really young and Ithought that shocked me, but
it's actually.
As I've grown up I realize whyI think that is.
You're just not as set in yourways.
And I don't really care forAndrew Tate.
I love him talking about ofmasculinity, but I think he has
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a warp view of masculinity hehas.
He thinks that women are justout to get men and I mean he's
fathered multiple children frommultiple women and has a lot of
questionable traits about himand I don't really appreciate
him as a quote unquote rolemodel for our men.
I do like him telling them tobe tough and to work out and
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things like that, but he's notreally.
You know his perspective onmarriage is if you get married
then she's going to divorce youand take all your money or half
your money.
And does that happenoccasionally?
But you know, typically that'sif you married the wrong person.
And just overall, thestatistics on number one married
people have the most sex, thebest sex.
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They make the most money.
They are the most satisfied inlife, and um, it is, it is.
It's incredible, I mean it.
Marriage is so valuable thatthat is the relationship that
the Bible uses to describeChrist's relationship with the
church Right love the chair thatcharlie stood for marriage uh
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and encouraged, uh, people to doit, and we are huge fans and we
would just tell people that, um, you know, what we tell our
kids is find the right woman andget married young, and also be
aware of that you're marryinginto a family.
So, um, and this goes both ways.
So be aware of that, you'remarrying into a family and this
goes both ways.
Bek (28:27):
So be aware of the in-laws Heads up whatever's coming into
our family.
Kev (28:30):
Be aware of the in-laws.
Bek (28:31):
We're a hot mess.
Kev (28:33):
You're marrying the whole family, not just the spouse.
Bek (28:37):
That's why it's good to have community around you.
Kev (28:39):
Yes, and also it's okay to set up some boundaries and if
you've got the person that youknow is right and the you know
the in-laws are toxic, then havea conversation with your you
know fiance or spouse and makesure that they're on board with
setting up some boundaries,cause you don't need to spend
every single holiday with yourparents or the in-laws.
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You're creating a new familyand if it works out good,
awesome.
But boundaries are reallyimportant.
Bek (29:06):
So good.
Kev (29:07):
Have lots of children and huge fan of this.
I mean, there is this, there'sthis definite, you know.
Bek (29:15):
Stigma.
Kev (29:17):
Well, there's this popularity, there's a trend of
not wanting children, and thereis children are hard.
I mean they're.
Bek (29:26):
The hardest and most rewarding thing we've ever done.
Kev (29:30):
But, uh, but your pet dog, your cat, whatever, will not
take care of you when you're old, um, and you need medical care.
Um, you know your.
I've never heard of anyone ontheir deathbed saying, man, I
wished I hadn't had my kids, orwish I hadn't had as many.
What I think most people thinkis and I've heard many people in
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their middle ages, kind ofbeyond those childbearing years,
say I wish I'd had more, one ortwo more.
And we're living in such aselfish culture, especially in
America.
It's so consumeristic.
Is that a word, consumeristic?
Bek (30:07):
Consumerism, I think, is that a word.
Kev (30:09):
Consumeristic.
Bek (30:12):
Consumerism.
I think it's a word,consumerism, it's a very
consumeristic Fact checkers?
Kev (30:15):
Nope, we don't have any.
But children will break yourselfishness, amen.
Marriage you can still be veryselfish and married like being,
and we're not knocking peoplewho, um, you know, you know,
just maybe feel, feel called tonot children.
I mean I.
The Bible says be fruitful andmultiply over and over.
(30:36):
Uh, and so I think, as ageneral role, if you're like,
should we have children or not?
It's like, yes, you should.
It's like, should we take careof widows and orphans?
Yes, you should.
But we understand there'sexceptions and people who can't
Highly encourage adoption orfoster care for those who can't.
But you can't be.
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Well, there are some selfishparents, but you can't be a good
parent and be selfishness andnothing will break your
selfishness like becoming aparent.
Bek (31:05):
And congratulations to those that are the chain
breakers, Because for somepeople they don't have kids, and
I understand this, because theydidn't have great role models.
I mean we were super blessed tohave we still have married
parents.
We had married grandparents,which is pretty exceptional in
this current world that we livein.
We have the blessings ofgenerational faithfulness and a
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lot of families don't.
They have a lot of brokenness,a lot of dysfunction and they're
afraid to move into thatdirection because of the way
they grew up.
But there are those of yousaying I'm going to go for it.
My encouragement is do it withthe Lord, because he will redeem
all kinds of things and we bothhave different sides of our
family that came from brokennessand they made wholeness from
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that with the Lord, and that'sreally.
We are the beneficiaries ofthat and our kids are the
beneficiaries.
And what's beautiful is we'reraising generations now that we
believe will be stronger andbetter than us.
You know, Lord willing, by theway, that we're, you know,
pouring into them for the waysthat we've been poured into.
Kev (32:04):
Yeah, and as far as parenting advice, you're not
raising happy kids.
Your goal should not be to havehappy kids, like if they
occasionally experiencehappiness, that's okay, but if
they're always happy we'd likethem to be joyful, but, yeah,
happy, and not necessarily the.
The mission should be to raisesuccessful, well-adjusted,
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generous adults.
And when we say successful,we're not saying they have to
have a degree or anything likethat.
We're talking about likesuccessful as far as
contributing to societyfollowing God's will for their
life the other thing iscommunity.
Having community for raisingkids is really important, and
also having some mentors, somepeople who are 10, 20 years
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ahead of you.
Highly recommend that peoplethat you can just ask questions
to and they can guide you basedon what they've seen.
Because one of the things thatwe've walked through some really
tough stuff for the last coupleof years and we've had a lot of
people share with us.
We went through the same thingand these are people that we
thought like certainly theirkids were perfect, and then you
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find out, no, their kids wentoff the rails and now they're
following Jesus and incredibleparents.
Bek (33:16):
Yeah, and some that are still walking the journey with
us.
So we've kind of gone all overthe place.
Are we still on, charlie?
Kev (33:21):
Yeah, we are.
So one more is to just.
This is the last one,specifically we are.
So one more is to just.
This is the last onespecifically One of the main
things that Charlie would talkabout is to live for more than
yourself.
And once again this goes intoour very nihilistic culture, our
very selfish culture.
You know that ultimately, youknow, the pleasures of life will
(33:42):
not satisfy you, and KingSolomon talks about this in the
Bible.
You know he talks about it alot in Ecclesiastes.
Yeah, do we enjoy the pleasuresof life Absolutely, but you
can't take them with you.
Bek (33:57):
No.
Kev (33:58):
And it's not what we were put here for.
Bek (34:00):
Right.
Kev (34:00):
And so it is really we highly recommend that you know
and ultimately the number onerelationship that will help
transform you and help you livefor more than yourself is a
relationship with Jesus, is howprofound it was to see, person
after person, high governmentofficial after government
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official proclaiming the gospelof Jesus Christ.
And not just doing the token.
You know America and God blessAmerica but like referencing
scripture, like even TulsiGabbard, who I don't know that
she's a Christian, was like.
I don't remember the Bibleverse that she shared, but it
was a very, it was an obscureBible verse.
(34:53):
It wasn't your typical, youknow.
John 3.16.
Bek (34:57):
Just on John 3.16, by the way.
Kev (34:59):
Correct, correct, but it was just unbelievable.
It was so encouraging.
The Holy Spirit was so presentin that moment and it was
encouraging and I think, onceagain for a legacy media,
mainstream media that hasportrayed Charlie Kirk type
people as these Christiannationalists that are a threat
(35:22):
to democracy.
I think we very clearly provedthem wrong that are a threat to
democracy.
I think we very clearly provedthem wrong.
Yeah, and you know, we reallywant to invite people, maybe who
have only heard the sound bites, to really like.
I remember I had one hater on asocial media post.
He was oh, it was kylerittenhouse showed up and and
(35:49):
you know he's like oh, it's agroup of racist people.
I'm like there's actually afairly diverse ethnicity, um
represented at my poker parties.
Yes, um, and I actually invitedthis guy because he, um, he
lived in tucson.
I said, I said you're welcometo come to a poker party and
just see what we're really like.
I was like you can bring afriend if you're worried about
your safety.
(36:09):
Um, and you know his responsewas I would never come to a
place like that.
And it's like, of course,you're not willing to check it
out.
So, um, you know we just invitepeople, that you know.
If you've only seen the soundbites, um, it was a very
peaceful, loving place and youknow that's what poker parties
are like.
And you know, we just want tosay Charlie you know, rest in
(36:32):
peace.
We are here to really carry onyour legacy.
You set a great example for us,for our kids.
We hope that I mean yourparents should be very proud.
I mean your parents should bevery proud, yeah, and we would
absolutely love it if our boyshad the same type of courage
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that Charlie exhibited in hislife.
Bek (36:55):
Absolutely, and we're looking forward to carrying on
your legacy and we're sograteful for you.
Yeah, thanks, charlie.
Kev (37:00):
All right friends.
A little choked up.
I don't think I've made it aday yet.
Bek (37:12):
No, we're just praying for Erica, yeah.
Kev (37:14):
Yeah, and her kids.
Bek (37:16):
Yeah, actually, let me just pray.
God, thank you for Charlie'sfaithfulness and, honestly,
you've planted that seed in allof us, and so, whoever listens
to this podcast, god, as thisgoes out into the airwaves, we
just pray for anyone who doesn'tknow you yet to have an open
heart, to ask questions, to getinto a Bible-believing church,
to just open the Bible, to justliterally talk to you.
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God, it says, we can talk to youlike a friend and just say, god
, if you're real, show me, proveit to me.
There's so many testimonies ofpeople doing that and you giving
them some personal indicationthat you see them and you know
them.
And so we just pray for thatand, lord, for all the believing
Christians out there, we justask that they would be bold in
their faith.
And, god, we just pray for thestewardship of our country and
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really the stewardship of ourfamilies and everything that
you've entrusted us with that wewould honor you with our
choices, with our time, talentand treasure.
And thank you for this podcastand whoever it might reach.
And thank you for Charlie andErica and just their commitment
to our country and commitment toyou, lord, and just the great
example they led.
Kev (38:16):
Amen, amen.
Friends, thanks for listeningand God bless America.
Hey friends, welcome back to the Uncommon Freedom Show
with Bek and Kev.
Bek (00:07):
Together again.
Kev (00:08):
Yes, it has been a really long time.
It's been almost a year sincewe recorded together and we are
continuing the Uncommon mantheme to do a tribute podcast to
probably certainly the mostuncommon man of the 21st century
so far.
I mean, we're only 25 yearsinto it, but we are fresh off of
(00:33):
the incredible memorial servicefor our friend, Charlie Kirk,
and it was an unbelievableexperience and he's someone that
we considered a friend.
He was not a close friend, butwe did get to know him.
He actually came and spoke atour house almost four years ago
for an event where we raised, Ithink, $240,000 that night.
Bek (00:56):
Epic night.
Kev (00:57):
It was an incredible night we were.
Let's see, we're in this house.
We are rushing to getlandscaping done.
Oh yes, that's right, it was acrazy rush and it ended up being
an absolute incredible night.
Brandon Tatum, the officerTatum, came that night.
We also had Congresswoman KatKamak from Florida.
(01:19):
She just had a baby.
Oh, very cool, congratulationsto her.
But we just want to spend acouple minutes and just kind of
reflect on some of the thingsthat stood out for us as some of
the values that Charlie stoodfor as missions was really
inspiring young men biblicalmanhood, to step into biblical
(01:48):
manhood, and he was doing it inhis unique brand, um, but really
a similar mission to what youknow what I'm on and what we're
about with uncommon freedom.
So any thoughts?
Bek (02:00):
Just that his uncanny knack for speaking truth and love was
something to not only beadmired but just to learn from.
You realize he followed the wayJesus really handled things,
which was to do things inrelationship to people not
against people, but inrelationship to bring truth to
them, but do it in a lovingmanner and I think he navigated
(02:21):
that really well.
Kev (02:23):
And we saw a lot of evolution and development in how
he handled that.
Bek (02:26):
Certainly, we all get better with time.
Yeah, the hope is we get betterwith time, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Kev (02:32):
I didn't know who he was until our friend Thea sent me.
I remember it was.
Bek (02:36):
I was trying to figure out how we first heard about his
podcast.
We were in Miami.
Kev (02:40):
It was the summer of 2020 for Thea's birthday party.
Bek (02:42):
It was the summer of 2020 for.
Kev (02:43):
Thea's birthday party.
Yes, and she sent me a podcastwith Charlie and Jack Hibbs.
Bek (02:49):
Ah, yes, okay.
Kev (02:57):
And so we're talking about.
We are in the throes of thelockdown and Charlie was one of
the few voices that was really,and Jack Hibbs, as a pastor, was
one of the few minority that,early on, saw through the facade
of safety and everything.
Bek (03:08):
Really speaking common sense when it felt like the
world and our government hadlost their minds.
Kev (03:12):
Absolutely, and that was when we really got exposed to
him and, probably within a monthor two, started supporting
Turning Point, because once welearned what their mission was,
we got on board with it, andduring that season it was kind
of a slow season in many waysand we would go to events and
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that's how we got to meet himpersonally and then invite him
to come speak at our event.
So that's how we got introducedto him.
Bek (03:42):
It was a big, bold ask.
He said, yes, he had a verybusy fall.
It was.
You know, he was doing hiscampus tours back then, but they
were nothing like the schedulehe runs now.
And yet he was still swampedand I remember they made time to
run him over have him speak.
He ran out right after he spoke.
We didn't get any extra timewith him, but we were just so
grateful to have his voice andthe voices of the other amazing
(04:03):
speakers that came.
Kev (04:04):
Yeah, and as we, you know, kind of in the wake of, you know
, his tragic assassination, Ihad a number of people reach out
to me and say, like I didn'tknow who Charlie Kirk was until
I came to that fundraiser atyour house, and so it was.
You know, it's cool to be ableto connect people to his mission
and what he stood for.
(04:26):
Um, but uh, let's just, we'll,we'll get into it.
Actually, your thoughts, I meanthe more memorial, was
incredible.
Bek (04:33):
Oh, my goodness.
Uh, it was what we could ask orimagine uh, a very long day.
Kev (04:38):
It was an emotional, exhausting day.
Bek (04:40):
Um, but really number one.
Just hats off to TP USA forpulling that together in one
week.
It was done professionally.
It was amazing to be aroundlike-minded, like-hearted
Americans who came there for onereason to honor Charlie, who
were patriotic, who were patientand kind when it was hot and
the lines were long and peoplewere just so joyful.
They were just not aware of anylooting or rioting.
(05:03):
No, nothing.
Kev (05:04):
I.
I didn't even see protesters,but I heard there was a couple,
but I mean obviously just thekindness to show strangers.
Bek (05:11):
I mean, we had an epic entry because we were going in a
certain entrance that wecouldn't walk through, had to be
in a vehicle and literally itwas a dumb and dumber moment of
pick them up up.
And here we were, in our dressclothes, jumping into the back
of pickup trucks with totalstrangers, all dressed up,
sitting on each other's laps andpiling in and getting squished
and sweating together, andeveryone was just joyful and
(05:32):
happy to do it and the peopledriving their vehicles were
happy to open their vehicles torandom strangers and it was just
a picture of the you know thehealthiest of the American way.
It was just a beautiful way tocome into the whole event.
And then, obviously, the waythey it was just a beautiful way
to come into the whole event.
And then, obviously, the theway they honored him was
incredible, with from multiplespeakers to incredible worship.
I mean it felt like a pictureof heaven, a piece of heaven
(05:54):
just to be there.
And nothing wrecked me morethan the moment of silence when
all the cards were held up andthey were just honoring him.
And yeah, I mean you and I wereabsolutely shocked to just hear
about what was happening to him.
We're praying fervently for himto survive and once he passed,
like most people felt like howcould this happen at this time
(06:15):
to such a person like this, whenhe was so important to our
nation and to our freedom?
But, of course, only the Lordknows what comes next, and it's
just you know what we've beensaying in this season.
Of course, only the Lord knowswhat comes next, and it's just a
.
You know what we've been sayingin this season of parenting,
because we are in a reallydifficult season of parenting.
Still, there's seasons thatcome and go, but it's been a
long one.
It's been a one that's neededsteadfastness, and so one of the
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things I keep saying is God isa promise keeper and I trust him
, even when things don't seem tobe going our way or looking
bright.
And knowing that, going intoCharlie's assassination, I think
, and just seeing what came outon the other end the beautiful,
beautiful revival that'shappening across the country
it's like God knew what wouldhappen if this took place and he
(07:00):
decided that these people'ssouls were worth taking Charlie
at this time and making anopportunity for people to really
reconcile themselves to theLord.
Kev (07:09):
Yeah, and it was amazing in the wake of his passing, just
the impact that he had.
I mean, he was one of the mostactive voices probably in the
world, between being on hispodcast and radio for about
three hours a day and all theother interviews and then on the
live events we were listeningto him at the beginning, when he
(07:29):
was just kind of getting going,and so I think you know COVID
obviously gave him a verypowerful voice.
Bek (07:34):
He'd been working behind the scenes tirelessly, but as
far as his popularity, you know,I was shocked that all over the
country people knew who he was.
Kev (07:43):
Yeah, I mean I've.
I've never seen any deathimpact people.
Bek (07:47):
Yeah.
Um of, of of a current personin a positive way, right and.
Kev (07:52):
I've never seen so many grown men cry.
I mean my my groups of friends.
I mean, it was.
It's just incredible.
Bek (07:58):
I was sharing that.
You know in where we weresitting for the event.
Uh, when Erica Kirk wasspeaking, I watched someone in
their seventies and grown man.
I saw him completely wrecked,like just sobbing, weeping,
really weeping, uh, at herwillingness to forgive and just
her heart.
And he was so broken and it wasjust.
(08:19):
I don't even know who he was orwhere he came from, I didn't
know anything about him, Um, butjust watching the effect on him
reminds us of our humanity, Ithink, and truly the part of the
best part of the human spirit,which is the caring for other
people and seeing them suffer,and and, and having compassion
in those moments.
Kev (08:37):
So yeah, that was uh.
To me that was probably themost most profound moment of the
day.
I mean, goodness gracious, youthink about someone taking
either your spouse or your kidsand, within two weeks, offering
forgiveness.
Bek (08:55):
I mean I think I heard on the news that even the families
from the Catholic shooting theywere saying the same thing.
So it's not an easy thing or atrite thing that Christians,
especially we're called toforgive.
But I don't think that it'ssomething that you should take
lightly or just say and youcould see on Erica's face and
the emotion that it took for herto get the words out that it
(09:15):
wasn't an easy choice for her.
And it won't continue to be aneasy choice.
Kev (09:19):
We've learned through having to forgive people for
much less than what erica'shaving to forgive people for and
it's still hard forgiveness Imean, that's why jesus says it's
70 times seven.
In other words, you're gonnahave to do it over and over it's
not like you decide stillworking on it with a few yeah in
my own heart.
Yeah yeah, um, I was listeningto something today and um, it
(09:41):
was.
It was.
It was charlie's podcast, andthe team team that's continuing
carrying the torch was talkingabout the fact that Erica's
explanation for forgiveness is.
I want to make sure that I see,charlie on the other side, and
Jesus said if you don't forgive,you will not be forgiven, and
(10:01):
so she's like living out it's aconscious decision that if I
don't forgive him, wow I willnot be forgiven yeah and so it
really is.
It's it's living out faith andreally a stark contrast to how
the left operates yeah, um whereit's when it's just you know
(10:24):
they're about, we're gonna, youknow we need to be violent.
I mean you think some of thepoliticians on the left that
have literally incited violencelike we have to go to war
against these people.
Bek (10:37):
And really tarnish his reputation by taking clips of
things out of context.
I mean, Charlie was a humanbeing.
He wasn't a perfect man and alot of people might not agree
with everything that he said orthe way he shared it, but you
can see the kindness of that manand the strength of that man in
so much of his commentary.
If you listen to full clips andyou watch him really engage
(10:58):
with people.
Kev (10:59):
And the other thing is I mean, one of the things that
Charlie was so good at isbringing people together
Absolutely, because you know hewould have people at his events
that vehemently disagreed ondifferent policy issues and like
we wouldn't even necessarilyagree on everything he says.
But looking for people, judgingpeople based on you know, I'm
(11:21):
only going to follow, believe,like people that I agree with
100%.
I mean you and I couldn't evenlike each other because, even
though that we are, there's noone that shares my values more
than you do, right, but there'sstill 1% of things that we
disagree, agree about, right, um, I, I mean, and, and so it's
(11:41):
like, definitely you can chewthe meat, spit out the bones and
you look at the overall contentand the overall character.
So a couple of key takeawaysfrom Charlie that I think are a
great application for all of us,and especially young men, is
his statement about beingcourageous.
It takes no skill, that's right.
(12:04):
All you have to do is say yesand you think about, you know,
during COVID, the courageousservice members and other people
who said no to the vaccine thatyou know that put their either
put their job on the line orliterally did lose their jobs.
Some people knew it, they weretaking a big risk.
Other people ended up losing it.
It doesn't take skill.
(12:26):
I would say courage is one ofthe most desperately needed
virtues and the most lackingvirtues, certainly in our
society.
Bek (12:35):
Well, I hope courage has truly been awakened through this
process.
I really think it has.
Yes, I can remember and this islike baby courage compared to
what most you know like anythingthat Charlie did or anything
anyone in the public eye.
But I remember shopping in 2020and every time I went into the
store no, it wasn't like I lovedshopping before COVID, but
(12:56):
during COVID I felt like I wasgoing into battle, like I had to
wear my boots and strap on myequipment to be able to go into
the store and ignore theannouncements telling me that I
should be wearing a mask and Ishould stay six feet apart, and
I was out of compliance and Iwas wrong and walking against
the grain with all the peopledoing it you know, 90% of the
(13:17):
people doing it and it was just.
I remember the discomfort in mysoul to do it, knowing that I I
felt my convictions were correct, I did not need to wear one, I
was not afraid, I did not getsick, and yet just being in that
environment was souncomfortable and that's like a
tiny example of courage, like sosmall, ridiculous, silly even,
(13:40):
but it was.
But we didn't see a lot ofpeople doing it back then and so
, as the cost gets higher andthe results are going to be more
important in the long term, Ireally hope that people put that
courage on like a piece ofarmor and they start wearing it
every day.
Kev (13:57):
And we were the rebels.
Bek (13:59):
But we've been proven right about absolutely everything
that was mainstream during thattime frame and honestly grateful
our kids had a relativelynormal experience during that
season because we lived in thegreat state of Arizona.
They went to a great school andwe chose not to parent with
(14:19):
fear and so yeah, it was aninteresting time, but now we
have to be more courageous.
I mean we're leading with ourfaith more than we have in any
other time in life.
And you know, we run a businessand we want to help everyone.
We don't want to help onlypeople that share our faith.
So it is a risk and I'mactually going to talk about
this with my upcoming networkinggroup about what, why alignment
(14:41):
matters.
And you know, can we walk inthis nebulous place of like not
really expressing our faith inbusiness?
We can, because we don't wantto make people feel like they
can't come to us.
But at the same time, when youhave the conviction in your soul
of watching that experienceover the weekend and realizing
that if we, if we don't standfor something, we fall for
(15:02):
almost anything.
And people don't necessarilypeople who desperately need the
best thing we can offer them,which is a faith in Jesus Christ
.
If we don't talk about that andat least offer people that
opportunity by knowing us, thenwe're missing the great
commission.
Kev (15:18):
Yeah.
Bek (15:18):
And so I just feel, like you know we're leading ourselves
more in that way and hopefullywe don't alienate people,
because we really are, you know,interested in helping all
people get healthier and start abusiness and work from home and
have time freedom.
Kev (15:29):
Right.
If we help people get healthand they lose their soul.
Bek (15:32):
It's worthless.
What does it matter?
Kev (15:34):
That's I mean.
One of the things that Idefinitely observed about
Charlie is that you know it'spart of the maturing process and
probably part of the mentoringprocess.
You know he was surrounded bysome incredible people.
Um is that if you look at theevolution of his public content,
you know, towards those lastcouple of years, like like faith
(15:55):
was leading everything that hedid Um.
It was less about policy, lessabout politics, and politics was
a way to connect with people,with people and to have
conversations with people toughconversations, right, but he was
leading with his faith and youknow I was just sharing.
(16:22):
Well, frequently or let me putit, occasionally I will, I will
take advantage of theopportunity, before we start to
play poker, to just share thegospel in a very simple way, uh,
but you know, we were blessedwith an incredible house and a
lot of times people are like,wow, this is an awesome house.
You know, this is the coolestpoker setup I've ever seen um
(16:44):
and I love it.
But when we built this house,number one, like we were leading
um from the future we were weknew that we wanted to have
community um, we, we knew thatwe were building something that
was going to be incredible butbe able to be used for eternal
(17:06):
purposes and and and so kind of.
You know, like Charlie justsaying hey guys, you know it's,
it's awesome, this is.
You know, poker night is thehighlight of my month, every
single month, or one of thehighlights.
I absolutely love it.
It's a.
It's an incredible time of justfun with guys.
But if I let people who don'tknow Jesus pass through our yard
(17:30):
time after time without knowingwho is the source of our
blessings and who is the sourceof eternity, then this is
worthless.
And I would just encourageeveryone to have the courage.
And one of the other guys whocame who is first timer but a
(17:52):
mutual friend, he said that justby me sharing he's like I was
inspired just to be more boldabout my beliefs and why I do
what I do, and I think Charlieis a great example of that for
all of us.
One of the other things Charliesaid is that there is a God and
you are not him.
Love that saying.
Bek (18:09):
I'm grateful I'm not God, because I could not handle.
If anything the last two weekshas taught me, is that my soul
and really this is for all of us, our souls were not meant to
carry the pain that this worldcan bring by knowing everything
at the same time through socialmedia, seeing mean, hateful
comments, seeing pain onpeople's faces, watching a
(18:32):
tragic event like that, like oursouls are just not meant to
carry all that, and we haveallowed ourselves, through
technology obviously, to see itall.
And what it keeps reminding meis I'm so grateful that we serve
a God that is so big.
He's beyond my understanding.
He holds the ocean in his handsis what scripture says, and
when I have a picture like thatof the fact that he holds the
(18:55):
oceans, which none of us cancomprehend because we can stand
on the shore and not even seethe end of the ocean, or he owns
a cattle on a thousand hills,when we have those word pictures
from scripture, it's a reminderthat he's so big, he's meant to
carry all those things, and soit's a humbling reminder of
really who we are on this earth.
Kev (19:13):
And one of the main concepts that Charlie was
combating on campuses is isbasically nihilism.
Like we as individuals are notgods, Right.
And there has to be a source oftruth, there has to be a
definition of what is right andwhat is wrong, and the reality
(19:34):
is there is a God.
You can't deny it.
Every little kid that looks atanything that was created knows
someone created it Right.
And do I have an answer as tohow God came about to be
Absolutely not?
That's part of faith, is like.
I don't have an explanation forit, but I don't need one.
The evidence for Jesus Christis unbelievable, is overwhelming
(19:58):
.
It's very clear and convincing,is overwhelming.
It's very clear and convincing,and just understanding that we
have to allow for us to not beGod, because if we are, if we're
all gods, you know, theneverything's relative and that
leads to absolute chaos, and soI love that one.
Bek (20:20):
Another one.
Kev (20:21):
And I think, as parents of teenagers, three teenager boys
stop being a boy and become aman.
You know, this is alsosomething that is rampant in our
culture and it's really onlybeen going on for about 100
years, like the concept ofadolescence and teenagers didn't
come around until about 100years ago.
You know, 100 years ago, youknow a hundred years ago, by the
(20:44):
time a young man was about 14years old, he's getting married,
he's working a farm or you knowhe is, he's out on his own,
he's having to provide for hiswife and and some kids are going
to be coming along very quickly.
And you had to grow up.
Bek (20:57):
He had a lot of responsibility in his teenage
years which, when we finally hadthat concept from a book, we
were like, oh my goodness, youknow, so many parents are
babying their kids into theirtwenties.
They're making their lunches,they're doing their laundry, and
it's one thing to you know.
Again, as a mom, I can tell youit's hard, like we have a
nurturing heart, we want to care, we want to take care of things
(21:18):
, but it takes discipline on thepart of parenting to expect
responsibility, to require it,to celebrate it, to transfer it
Like those are.
Those are important concepts asour kids are becoming teenagers
not getting out of teenagerhoodreally, as they're becoming
teenagers, it's importantbecause it's developing them
(21:41):
Basically.
You know, the concept that weheard is they're closer to
adulthood as teenagers than theyare childhood and we often feel
like it's an extension ofchildhood.
And then they get to be adultswhen they, you know, get to
their late teens, early twenties.
But the truth is they should bewell on their way to adulthood
in the middle of that timeframe.
Kev (21:56):
Yeah.
Bek (21:57):
Even though, as boys, their brains are not developed yet,
but they're getting there and Ithink the struggle in those
years is actually what reallycreates the resilience that they
need.
And what's really cool is tosee the effect that Charlie had
on that younger generation andseeing both you know, elementary
, middle school kids, and evenboys especially really follow
(22:19):
him and be interested in whathe's saying and want to become
men, strong, uncommon men likehim.
And then the college campusesare just overflowing with guys
that want to do that and that'sthe kind of men that our
daughter is going to want tomarry someday and many of these
other women and girls arelooking for those kinds of men
to step up.
Kev (22:36):
Yeah, the whole, you know, wild at heart concept like boys
were made for adventure.
They were made for risk yes,hard concept.
Like boys were made foradventure they were made for
risk.
Bek (22:45):
Yes, oh geez.
If that's not true, all theparents of boys, all the moms of
boys, you get it.
You know how many ways can theykill themselves.
As you know, young, young boysat home, you know jumping on
things, climbing things.
Kev (22:57):
And the other thing is, you know, boys will rise to our
expectations.
So if, if in mind, you thinkthey can't cook for themselves,
they can't clean up afterthemselves, they can't do
laundry, you know they can'tbike to work that's two miles
away or something like that.
They can't walk places, they'll, they'll.
If you keep your expectationslow, they will gladly live at
those expectations.
(23:18):
We all see comfort, raise thoseexpectations, expectations, we
all see.
Comfort, raise thoseexpectations.
Um, they will absolutely riseto them and there'll be much
better off.
I mean, I was just um earliertoday interviewing my friend, uh
Dell, who grew up in Haiti andhe was providing for his family
of seven at the age of 16.
Bek (23:38):
Wow.
Kev (23:39):
And we're so stinking spoiled in America it's, it's
hurting us and this is where youknow we love the, the, the
axiom right Um strong men creategood times.
Good times create weak men.
weak men create um tough bad,tough, bad times tough times and
tough times create strong menand, um, I feel like we're in a
(24:00):
turning point, men, and I feellike we're in a turning point.
No pun intended, but that's theperfect term for Charlie's
organization of we were we had aan excess of weak men and it
was creating some tough times.
Bek (24:13):
Yes, absolutely.
Kev (24:13):
And I'm seeing this resurgence of of of men really
wanting saying enough is enough,it's time to become.
Bek (24:21):
Dylan, you know, our 14 year old went with us to the
memorial and I just looked athim multiple times and I said
this is history in the making.
Yeah, what a privilege.
Oh, my gosh, I'm going to getchoked up saying this, but
multiple times I just said toGod thank you for letting us
witness this, like I.
I don't know if there'll bemore experiences like this in
the coming years.
There probably will be, andthere's been certain things in
(24:42):
the past that have beenrevolutionary, but to be, uh, to
be a part of history right nowis incredible, and it's such an
honor that God's letting us intothis plan that he has, because
it's just really neat to watch.
Yeah and um, we've seen enoughof the yucky stuff and the hard
stuff that you know.
Honestly, in the 2020s or youknow, in 2020, I was thinking,
(25:05):
man, this world sucks, and I'mnot really happy to be living
here right now, and even thoughit's nothing compared to heaven,
seeing this revival come,watching people's hearts and
minds change, I'm so grateful tobe a witness to that and be a
part of it right now.
And you know, as we've about,raising kids in this era is
really difficult.
There's a lot between socialmedia technology.
(25:26):
I think every decade isdifficult, every season for
every generation of parents, butthis is definitely a difficult
one, and when the kids weremoving into the teenage years
and I remember thinking like, ohmy gosh, why do we have to
raise kids like this?
I would love to raise them inthe 80s or 90s, which they had
their own problems back then.
We had our own problems backthen.
Kev (25:44):
We had.
Bek (25:45):
MTV.
Kev (25:45):
We did Well, I didn't, but I saw it at some people's houses
.
Bek (25:50):
We did, but God just kept reminding me.
You are the age you are at, atthe stage you are at with the
kids that you are at, because Ihave appointed you for this time
and, as we've walked throughsome of these challenging times,
it's like we also get to beappointed to be a part of this
potential massive turning point,which is incredible.
Kev (26:09):
Yeah, all right.
His next saying absolutely loveit, get married, preach, yeah,
I mean uh we love it Cause wegot married young.
Bek (26:19):
We do, and I, I mean I'm, I encourage my kids find the
right woman and got marriedyoung.
Kev (26:21):
We do, and I mean I encourage my kids find the right
woman and get married young,Like our life is so much better,
absolutely.
I mean there are so manyadvantages.
I remember hearing a statisticyears ago that actually and it
surprised me when I heard itthat the age group that has the
lowest divorce rate wassomething like 20 to 24.
It was 18.
(26:41):
It was really young and Ithought that shocked me, but
it's actually.
As I've grown up I realize whyI think that is.
You're just not as set in yourways.
And I don't really care forAndrew Tate.
I love him talking about ofmasculinity, but I think he has
(27:03):
a warp view of masculinity hehas.
He thinks that women are justout to get men and I mean he's
fathered multiple children frommultiple women and has a lot of
questionable traits about himand I don't really appreciate
him as a quote unquote rolemodel for our men.
I do like him telling them tobe tough and to work out and
(27:25):
things like that, but he's notreally.
You know his perspective onmarriage is if you get married
then she's going to divorce youand take all your money or half
your money.
And does that happenoccasionally?
But you know, typically that'sif you married the wrong person.
And just overall, thestatistics on number one married
people have the most sex, thebest sex.
(27:47):
They make the most money.
They are the most satisfied inlife, and um, it is, it is.
It's incredible, I mean it.
Marriage is so valuable thatthat is the relationship that
the Bible uses to describeChrist's relationship with the
church Right love the chair thatcharlie stood for marriage uh
(28:09):
and encouraged, uh, people to doit, and we are huge fans and we
would just tell people that, um, you know, what we tell our
kids is find the right woman andget married young, and also be
aware of that you're marryinginto a family.
So, um, and this goes both ways.
So be aware of that, you'remarrying into a family and this
goes both ways.
Bek (28:27):
So be aware of the in-laws Heads up whatever's coming into
our family.
Kev (28:30):
Be aware of the in-laws.
Bek (28:31):
We're a hot mess.
Kev (28:33):
You're marrying the whole family, not just the spouse.
Bek (28:37):
That's why it's good to have community around you.
Kev (28:39):
Yes, and also it's okay to set up some boundaries and if
you've got the person that youknow is right and the you know
the in-laws are toxic, then havea conversation with your you
know fiance or spouse and makesure that they're on board with
setting up some boundaries,cause you don't need to spend
every single holiday with yourparents or the in-laws.
(29:00):
You're creating a new familyand if it works out good,
awesome.
But boundaries are reallyimportant.
Bek (29:06):
So good.
Kev (29:07):
Have lots of children and huge fan of this.
I mean, there is this, there'sthis definite, you know.
Bek (29:15):
Stigma.
Kev (29:17):
Well, there's this popularity, there's a trend of
not wanting children, and thereis children are hard.
I mean they're.
Bek (29:26):
The hardest and most rewarding thing we've ever done.
Kev (29:30):
But, uh, but your pet dog, your cat, whatever, will not
take care of you when you're old, um, and you need medical care.
Um, you know your.
I've never heard of anyone ontheir deathbed saying, man, I
wished I hadn't had my kids, orwish I hadn't had as many.
What I think most people thinkis and I've heard many people in
(29:51):
their middle ages, kind ofbeyond those childbearing years,
say I wish I'd had more, one ortwo more.
And we're living in such aselfish culture, especially in
America.
It's so consumeristic.
Is that a word, consumeristic?
Bek (30:07):
Consumerism, I think, is that a word.
Kev (30:09):
Consumeristic.
Bek (30:12):
Consumerism.
I think it's a word,consumerism, it's a very
consumeristic Fact checkers?
Kev (30:15):
Nope, we don't have any.
But children will break yourselfishness, amen.
Marriage you can still be veryselfish and married like being,
and we're not knocking peoplewho, um, you know, you know,
just maybe feel, feel called tonot children.
I mean I.
The Bible says be fruitful andmultiply over and over.
(30:36):
Uh, and so I think, as ageneral role, if you're like,
should we have children or not?
It's like, yes, you should.
It's like, should we take careof widows and orphans?
Yes, you should.
But we understand there'sexceptions and people who can't
Highly encourage adoption orfoster care for those who can't.
But you can't be.
(30:56):
Well, there are some selfishparents, but you can't be a good
parent and be selfishness andnothing will break your
selfishness like becoming aparent.
Bek (31:05):
And congratulations to those that are the chain
breakers, Because for somepeople they don't have kids, and
I understand this, because theydidn't have great role models.
I mean we were super blessed tohave we still have married
parents.
We had married grandparents,which is pretty exceptional in
this current world that we livein.
We have the blessings ofgenerational faithfulness and a
(31:26):
lot of families don't.
They have a lot of brokenness,a lot of dysfunction and they're
afraid to move into thatdirection because of the way
they grew up.
But there are those of yousaying I'm going to go for it.
My encouragement is do it withthe Lord, because he will redeem
all kinds of things and we bothhave different sides of our
family that came from brokennessand they made wholeness from
(31:47):
that with the Lord, and that'sreally.
We are the beneficiaries ofthat and our kids are the
beneficiaries.
And what's beautiful is we'reraising generations now that we
believe will be stronger andbetter than us.
You know, Lord willing, by theway, that we're, you know,
pouring into them for the waysthat we've been poured into.
Kev (32:04):
Yeah, and as far as parenting advice, you're not
raising happy kids.
Your goal should not be to havehappy kids, like if they
occasionally experiencehappiness, that's okay, but if
they're always happy we'd likethem to be joyful, but, yeah,
happy, and not necessarily the.
The mission should be to raisesuccessful, well-adjusted,
(32:24):
generous adults.
And when we say successful,we're not saying they have to
have a degree or anything likethat.
We're talking about likesuccessful as far as
contributing to societyfollowing God's will for their
life the other thing iscommunity.
Having community for raisingkids is really important, and
also having some mentors, somepeople who are 10, 20 years
(32:47):
ahead of you.
Highly recommend that peoplethat you can just ask questions
to and they can guide you basedon what they've seen.
Because one of the things thatwe've walked through some really
tough stuff for the last coupleof years and we've had a lot of
people share with us.
We went through the same thingand these are people that we
thought like certainly theirkids were perfect, and then you
(33:11):
find out, no, their kids wentoff the rails and now they're
following Jesus and incredibleparents.
Bek (33:16):
Yeah, and some that are still walking the journey with
us.
So we've kind of gone all overthe place.
Are we still on, charlie?
Kev (33:21):
Yeah, we are.
So one more is to just.
This is the last one,specifically we are.
So one more is to just.
This is the last onespecifically One of the main
things that Charlie would talkabout is to live for more than
yourself.
And once again this goes intoour very nihilistic culture, our
very selfish culture.
You know that ultimately, youknow, the pleasures of life will
(33:42):
not satisfy you, and KingSolomon talks about this in the
Bible.
You know he talks about it alot in Ecclesiastes.
Yeah, do we enjoy the pleasuresof life Absolutely, but you
can't take them with you.
Bek (33:57):
No.
Kev (33:58):
And it's not what we were put here for.
Bek (34:00):
Right.
Kev (34:00):
And so it is really we highly recommend that you know
and ultimately the number onerelationship that will help
transform you and help you livefor more than yourself is a
relationship with Jesus, is howprofound it was to see, person
after person, high governmentofficial after government
(34:31):
official proclaiming the gospelof Jesus Christ.
And not just doing the token.
You know America and God blessAmerica but like referencing
scripture, like even TulsiGabbard, who I don't know that
she's a Christian, was like.
I don't remember the Bibleverse that she shared, but it
was a very, it was an obscureBible verse.
(34:53):
It wasn't your typical, youknow.
John 3.16.
Bek (34:57):
Just on John 3.16, by the way.
Kev (34:59):
Correct, correct, but it was just unbelievable.
It was so encouraging.
The Holy Spirit was so presentin that moment and it was
encouraging and I think, onceagain for a legacy media,
mainstream media that hasportrayed Charlie Kirk type
people as these Christiannationalists that are a threat
(35:22):
to democracy.
I think we very clearly provedthem wrong that are a threat to
democracy.
I think we very clearly provedthem wrong.
Yeah, and you know, we reallywant to invite people, maybe who
have only heard the sound bites, to really like.
I remember I had one hater on asocial media post.
He was oh, it was kylerittenhouse showed up and and
(35:49):
you know he's like oh, it's agroup of racist people.
I'm like there's actually afairly diverse ethnicity, um
represented at my poker parties.
Yes, um, and I actually invitedthis guy because he, um, he
lived in tucson.
I said, I said you're welcometo come to a poker party and
just see what we're really like.
I was like you can bring afriend if you're worried about
your safety.
(36:09):
Um, and you know his responsewas I would never come to a
place like that.
And it's like, of course,you're not willing to check it
out.
So, um, you know we just invitepeople, that you know.
If you've only seen the soundbites, um, it was a very
peaceful, loving place and youknow that's what poker parties
are like.
And you know, we just want tosay Charlie you know, rest in
(36:32):
peace.
We are here to really carry onyour legacy.
You set a great example for us,for our kids.
We hope that I mean yourparents should be very proud.
I mean your parents should bevery proud, yeah, and we would
absolutely love it if our boyshad the same type of courage
(36:53):
that Charlie exhibited in hislife.
Bek (36:55):
Absolutely, and we're looking forward to carrying on
your legacy and we're sograteful for you.
Yeah, thanks, charlie.
Kev (37:00):
All right friends.
A little choked up.
I don't think I've made it aday yet.
Bek (37:12):
No, we're just praying for Erica, yeah.
Kev (37:14):
Yeah, and her kids.
Bek (37:16):
Yeah, actually, let me just pray.
God, thank you for Charlie'sfaithfulness and, honestly,
you've planted that seed in allof us, and so, whoever listens
to this podcast, god, as thisgoes out into the airwaves, we
just pray for anyone who doesn'tknow you yet to have an open
heart, to ask questions, to getinto a Bible-believing church,
to just open the Bible, to justliterally talk to you.
(37:37):
God, it says, we can talk to youlike a friend and just say, god
, if you're real, show me, proveit to me.
There's so many testimonies ofpeople doing that and you giving
them some personal indicationthat you see them and you know
them.
And so we just pray for thatand, lord, for all the believing
Christians out there, we justask that they would be bold in
their faith.
And, god, we just pray for thestewardship of our country and
(37:58):
really the stewardship of ourfamilies and everything that
you've entrusted us with that wewould honor you with our
choices, with our time, talentand treasure.
And thank you for this podcastand whoever it might reach.
And thank you for Charlie andErica and just their commitment
to our country and commitment toyou, lord, and just the great
example they led.
Kev (38:16):
Amen, amen.
Friends, thanks for listeningand God bless America.
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