Episode 122: Why Your Dog’s Health Starts With Food, Not Pills

What if great pet care started with fewer defaults and more decisions? We sit down with holistic veterinarian Dr. Sasan Hyatt to rethink parasite control, vaccination schedules, and daily nutrition with a clear focus on resilience over routine. Instead of chasing problems with stronger chemicals, we look at how whole-food diets, targeted testing, and simple environmental changes reduce risk and improve quality of life.

We dive into the realities of ticks, fleas, and Lyme disease and why a healthy, less “attractive” host matters. Dr. Hyatt lays out practical, lower-toxicity layers for prevention: safe garlic dosing by weight, nettle and spirulina blends, ultrasonic and ceramic tick collars, and when a short course of selamectin makes sense for fleas. On Lyme, we separate positive tests from actual illness, discuss immune-supportive strategies, and explore teasel root’s potential while calling for more veterinary data. For heartworm, we prioritize annual blood screening and early detection over blanket prophylaxis.

Vaccines get a measured approach. Rabies protection is non-negotiable, but titers can document lasting immunity and help avoid over-vaccination that may fuel allergies and autoimmune issues. We also talk candidly about emerging mRNA-based pet vaccines and why asking for traditional formulations is wise until questions are settled. From there, we zoom out to the home: filtered water over tap, modified citrus pectin (PectaSol) to bind glyphosate, low-residue detergents, double rinses, bedding hygiene, and how a quick baking-soda first pass can stop skunk oils from setting in. For mobility and pain, osteopathy, chiropractic, and rehab often succeed where sedating drugs fall short.

This is a compassionate, evidence-forward blueprint for pet parents who want their animals to thrive without unnecessary exposure. You’ll leave with concrete steps: upgrade the bowl with cooked or raw whole foods and mushrooms like shiitake and chaga, use smart, layered parasite defenses, test before you boost, and make home a cleaner, calmer ecosystem. If this conversation helped you see pet health differently, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review to help more owners find it.

Episode Transcript

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Well, good morning, everyone.
As always, it's always apleasure being on air.
And as we want to thank all ourlisteners, Canada-wide, all
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not Guiana, but Ghana.
I had some individuals on theweekend who thought it was
Guiana, but it was known asGhana as well as the Caribbean.
You know, the people that arelisteners in Bermuda as as well
as the Bahamas and all aroundthe world.
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And as normal, you got anyquestions, ask them.
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them.
Now, it's a normal morning, anduh Gunner is uh my uh instant

(03:24):
Gunner, my chocolate lab isdoing great.
His operation to remove uh thetumor was was like an extra,
almost like an extra toe wentwell, and it was like nothing
happened.
We didn't have to use the coneof shame on him at all because
he's uh pretty intelligent anduh he looks at it, and as soon
as I see him looking, I say, no,and he's no problem.
And of course, one of the thingsas I mentioned before when we we

(03:47):
had him in to get that done, umhe didn't need any teeth
cleaning because as I said, youknow, when I'm in the washroom
and uh and I especially italways happens when I'm in a
rush.
All of a sudden he comes in andhe stands and he sits down
between me and the sink, whichmeans he wants his teeth
brushed.
Just like this morning, hewanted his teeth brushed, so we

(04:08):
take care of him as always, buteverything's good there.
Now, the the wood insert that Iput in inside the house, it was
a little cool out, and uh we gotsome snow out there today, so uh
I had to get it going.
But it's taken a bit to learnhow to regulate this thing,
because it cranks out the heat.
So if you get, if you load itright up, boy, the whole house

(04:30):
is too hot, and I turn on thecirculating fans, et cetera, et
cetera.
And it but it works pretty good,and I've got to tell you, I
haven't had the regular furnaceon uh since I've had this
installed, and I've been there,so it's been working really
good, but and I love doingcutting and splitting wood, and
I got a chiropractor that helpsme take care of all my excess
abuse when I'm cutting,splitting, and hauling logs and

(04:52):
doing all that stuff, but it'sit's going very well, and I'm
very much it's it's just takinga bit to learn how to regulate
it.
Now, today we have a guest, aspecial guest, and it's uh a
veterinarian by the name of Dr.
Hyatt.
Welcome to the program, Sassan.
Thank you, Jerry.
Thanks for having me.
Well, I very much appreciate youtaking the time.

(05:13):
I know you're very busy in yourpractice.
I hear all kinds of great thingsabout it.
So tell us uh tell us a bitabout uh your your own
background.
Where are you from, uh Sassan?

SPEAKER_08 (05:22):
Well, I was born in Germany, but I have a Persian
background.

SPEAKER_03 (05:27):
Okay.
Which means uh Persia is whatpart?
Iran.
Okay.
So you're born in Germany.
And now, where did you uh takeyour schooling?
You're you're uh a special kindof vet that we're gonna talk
about here.

SPEAKER_08 (05:42):
Yeah, I I did my original schooling in Iran in a
school named Shiraz University,and then I got some extra
training in Germany, and then Icame um I got relicensed in
Saskatoon.
Um and yeah, I'm practicing heresince 2003.

SPEAKER_03 (06:04):
2003?
Very good.
So, what's involved in becominga um a veterinarian?
Like how many years of schoolingis it?
Is it uh very similar?
Just because a lot of ourlisteners wouldn't know or
understand.
So is it like being a doctor orlike a medical doctor for
humans, or how does that work?

SPEAKER_08 (06:20):
More or less, it's a little bit different.
I mean, there are two systems uhuh training.
There is one English system thatthere's six years straight after
getting high school diploma, andthere is one that's more North
American system that you have aum you have a uh Bachelor of
Science first for four years,and then you study four years

(06:42):
for maternity school.
So it's anywhere between umbetween seven to eight years of
schooling after high school.

SPEAKER_03 (06:51):
Very good.
So uh Sason, um Dr.
Hyatt, you're a a different kindof vet.
Now we've had uh um uh otherspecialists on, but I've never
had a naturopathic or a holisticor a herbalist veterinarian.
And that's when you that's yourspecialty, correct?
Yes.
Okay, so what's involved indeveloping that sort of

(07:14):
background?
I mean, you have your yourveterinarian uh documentation,
but now you have a naturopathicuh aspect that you're adding to
it.

SPEAKER_08 (07:24):
Yes, yes.
Uh I I'm trained as a um justconventional veterinarian.
I used to work in emergencyclinic and general practices,
and then I um I I have beenalways interested in natural
medicine and um whole food diet.

(07:46):
Uh and slowly I developed thatinterest.
And then what happened, I um meta naturopathic doctor that uh is
also a veterinarian.
There are not many of those.
Uh, Dr.
Droin.
And um I met her just through afriend um in a social setting,

(08:10):
and um I I didn't know at thattime that such a thing exists.
Um so I came to her practice atNew Markets and I saw, wow, uh
this was really what I waslooking for.
Um and then slowly I did sometraining with her, and then I

(08:32):
picked up a few things here andthere.
Um, I'm doing that since 2008.
At that time, um, there was notmany resources, so I had to just
go and find and dig and do lotsof self-study and take courses.
But now it's more at as peopleare more interested in their own

(08:54):
health and their pets' health.
There are more and moreorganizations that they are
offer uh good training programsfor the natural aspects of the
veterinary medicine.
Of course, um there's a solidplace for conventional
veterinary practice, um, gooddiagnostics, good medicine.

(09:18):
And if there's an emergency, ofcourse, herbs and acupuncture
and food that don't have time.
You need to just intervenequickly and save lives.
Right.
But there's so many things thatyou can do before or after uh
that uh conventional medicinehas its limitation in that
sense.

SPEAKER_03 (09:38):
Right.
So so um uh Sason, tell us nowthis is a a little bit of a
little bit of a thorn in myside, uh, because I've taken a
couple shots at that, butcorporate veterinary clinics.
Are you a corporate like one ofthese ones that uh they did the
uh the special on that's beingbought up by major corporations?

(10:00):
Uh and uh my understanding islike uh close to 50 percent of
uh all the veterinics arecorporately owned in in Ontario
by one or two majorcorporations.
Is is that your situation?

SPEAKER_08 (10:12):
No, no, we are uh privately owned.
I I own the practice privately.

SPEAKER_03 (10:16):
No.
I I am so happy to hear thatbecause uh I have to tell you,
some of the stuff that I'mseeing in in these ones now and
and uh quite frankly, the staffare are are, in my opinion, uh
directed to mislead individuals.
Oh, we can't see your your dogbecause we haven't seen it and
it's been 13 months now, and Ijust can't give you that.

(10:37):
I have to what?
I mean it's never been a problembefore.
Uh uh we we need the well, thethe flea and tick medication for
that particular case.
Oh, we have to do uh anyway.
So so that's good to hear.
And and what's your opinion onon all these corporate buyouts
of all the veterinics that arebecoming like a a food chain
where it's you know it's it'sit's mostly about uh dollars and

(11:00):
cents for the corporation andnot PET care, in my opinion?

SPEAKER_08 (11:03):
Yeah, I uh you know what I honestly I'm not a big
fan.
I uh I hear uh all the timefeedback from clients and staff,
staff that they are working atthose clinics, doctors, support
staff, veterinary nurses.
Um they are not uh they are notvery happy, you know.

(11:27):
Uh veterinary practice,especially is a very unique uh
business that has lots of heartand soul one-to-one, yeah, uh
one-to-one with uh with patientsand uh clients.
Or clients become your friendand then become like family.

(11:51):
Staff, the same thing.
Lots of those small clinics inOntario.
That's how they are.
And then when you run it throughlike a corporation, of course,
corporation is all uh I I don'tper se don't have anything
against running a businessthrough a corporation, right?
But veterinary business is veryunique, and some some other

(12:14):
businesses probably are becausecorporation all becomes a bit
bottom line and um and uh howmuch how much profit we are
generating each quarter comparedto the next quarter, um it it
becomes very it it loses itsheart and soul, it won't have a
heart and soul anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (12:34):
Well um, I agree completely.
I I I know where I regularlyused to go, I I would always be
in and and call up, and I I gaveyou the example about uh the uh
flea and tick medication becauseum Gunner My Chocolate Lab had
uh a flea or a tick on him, andso I get concerned with all the
Lyme disease and things likethat.
But so I I went to find out ohno, he's not here anymore.

(12:56):
I mean, what do you mean he'snot here anymore?
He founded this place.
He built it.
It was him and his partner thatuh built it.
Anyway, so I tracked him downand he said, Well, how come you
Doug, what happened?
He said, Well, we were boughtout by we were approached by a
corporation and given a greatdeal, so we thought and it was
gonna run the same and and aswell we understood it.
And he said, I went on two-weekholidays and came back a bit

(13:18):
early and went into the office,and and we're such and such
staff member, just like you youmentioned, Sassan, that uh, oh,
well, you weren't here, so welaid that person off while you
were away.
And it was like we've been hewas telling me that they'd been
over 20 years that that personhad worked there and had never
been laid off.
And he saw the things in it,just like you said, it was about

(13:41):
dollars and cents and not aboutuh uh the the passion that
people have for their pets andthings like that.
But yeah, it it is concerning.
And so that's the first thing II do when I look at a clinic
now.
I ask them, are you a corporateclinic or not?
And fortunately I've been ableto track down a bunch of
non-corporate ones uh so that Ican deal with depending on where

(14:02):
I'm at.
Yeah, of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (14:04):
And then they they are some of them are hopefully
they are they're learning itsoon.
I know a few clinics that theyhad to actually close down.
So they they were locally herein this area uh uh in Aurora.
There was just because the staffwere just fed up, they all left,
so they didn't have any staff.
Um and they are they werestruggling for a while to find

(14:26):
staff because um and and youknow what this this profession
is very unique in sense it's youcan it's very hard to find
trained staff that they theylike pets, they like what they
do, they they are have theirheart and soul in it.
It's very hard.
It's not just like running apizza chain.
I mean, if it's a pizza chain,yes, yeah, maybe you can do it

(14:47):
corporate and you can do it, getaway with it.
But this is very differentpractice.
And heart and uh in since youbrought up the heart, uh the
flea and take medications, ourpractice really, really, we
would like to clients and petscoming if they can come off flea
and take medications becauseflea and take medications very

(15:09):
unfortunately, unfortunately,they can be very uh harmful for
pets and people and theenvironment.
And this is one of the main,main messages that we have uh in
our clinic too.
I have about probably close to7,000 patients uh in our clinic.

(15:30):
So it's a good sized clinic fora small one-bed practice.
Uh, but I can tell you almostnobody in our clinic is on
phleentic medications, maybe,maybe 1%.

unknown (15:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (15:42):
Okay.
Very good.
So um I happen to do, because Ido a lot of uh I I I don't know
if you know my uh my my primebusiness, which is um, and I
don't know if you're familiarwith uh Chaga, the uh um Chaga
Mushroom.
Of course I love Chaga, yeah.
Yeah, I well I I'm the ChagaMeister.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 (16:00):
Yeah, and you know what I listen to.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
I was listening to one of yourpodcasts.
Yes, yes.
I know I am a big fan of chaga.
I uh recommend it for mypatients.
I do uh I love cooking.
When I cook, I I cook stew orsoups.
I always put a piece of chaga init and let it infuse in the food

(16:20):
uh or I brew chaga myself.
I'm I'm a big fan of chaga.

SPEAKER_03 (16:24):
Oh, very good.
Well, uh I happen to be doing alecture, and and the the one um
the lecturer just before me wasa um a person who was uh talking
about flea and tick medicationfor canine stogs.
And the um uh the the the shewas trying to say that if you

(16:46):
boost the immune system, youdon't need to to give them the
medications.
Is there is there certain thingsthat you can use uh that uh
would deter or chase uh fleasand ticks away from dogs and
cats and things like that?
Or what what alternative isthere to the medication that's
out there?

SPEAKER_08 (17:04):
Yeah, absolutely.
So here's the first thing is thehealthier they stay, the less
attractive they become to fleasand ticks.
Because fleas and ticks, theyare look for those mainly they
look, they they want an easytarget, right?
They want something easy tolatch on, so they want something
that don't fight them.

(17:25):
So if a pet is uh healthy, istotally healthy from inside,
there is less likely that uhthey get flea and tick.
However, ticks especiallybecoming more and more a problem
in Ontario.
When I started here, I um youwould hardly uh hear about
ticks, but because it's gettinga bit warmer, ticks are moving

(17:48):
from north, it's becoming moreof a problem.
So there are few things that weuse and recommend to make the
body less attractive for ticks,especially.
Um uh one of them is uh herbalmixture of spirulina, uh garlic,

(18:11):
um nettle, quasi.
There are mixes that you caneither make it or they are
commercially available, you canput it in your pet's food.
Okay.
So they make the body smellunpleasant for the ticks, so the
ticks don't like it, don'tgravitate to it.
And there are also collars thatyou can put around their neck.

(18:34):
Some of them are ultrasonic, sothey send ultrasonic wave um and
they deter um ticks.
And there is also one that is uhbasically a ceramic collar that
has it's very interesting, ithas a baked in bacteria in it

(18:55):
that it keeps emitting infraredlight.
And um, good too.
Almost all my patients, theyhave it, they can purchase it
online.

SPEAKER_03 (19:06):
Um also what's what's that uh collar called?
Because uh I I'm getting allkinds of interesting things.
I was trying to make note aboutyour nettle garlic and uh some
other stuff to feed the dog uhto deter ticks.
But uh but I I I myunderstanding through uh Casey,

(19:26):
my uh um son's fiance, that uhgarlic was supposed to be bad
for for dogs.
Is that right or not?

SPEAKER_08 (19:34):
No, no, that is uh actually a myth.
Uh garlic, yes, in a very highdose, it's bad, it's it's it's
strong and potent.
Same as us.
I mean, you cannot sit and umeat eat it cloves of garlic
after after you it makes yousick because it's very potent.
Um however, um cats uh dog uhdog not cats dogs can have eat.

(20:00):
Easily uh have a um clove ofgarlic for every 20 pound of
body weight.
Okay.
Do we stay on the safe side?
We said half a clove for every20 pounds of body weight.
No, garlic uh that was that wentto the books somewhere about 20,
30 years ago, uh, and it nevercame out.

(20:22):
Uh that the garlic is safe.
Um so no, there's no such thing.
Onion is a little bit different,but garlic is safe.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (20:30):
Oh, okay, very good.
So yeah, this is interesting.
And you mentioned nettle.
I'm assuming you're meaningstinging nettle.
Uh that goes into the food aswell.
It helps out.

SPEAKER_08 (20:38):
Yeah, yeah.
And then you can use it even asan essential oil, put it in a
spray bottle, dilute it, andspray it on the coat.
Uh, so it's uh it smells um uhunpleasant for ticks.

SPEAKER_03 (20:51):
Um now, so are are you familiar with permitterin?
Yes.
Yes, okay.
And so now the natural one cameout of um an African, what was
it?
Uh I forget the plant.
Is it a chrysanthemum?
Um that uh they've modified tomake it into permitterin.

(21:11):
And is uh what about things likethat?

SPEAKER_08 (21:14):
They are, you know what, because um especially as I
said, I mean, especially nowthey have closing and and uh
bandanas infused with with um umwith less toxic pesticide or
pest repellent that I um if pushcomes to shove, no, I don't have

(21:35):
a problem with that.
Because you know what, youcannot have a if you are living
in a high-tech area, you gottado something.
And those um those measures thatI recommend, they are probably
80%, they're most likely 80%protective, but my clients still
find ticks on the drug.
Um but regardless of what youdo, even if you use those nasty

(21:58):
pesticides and neurotoxins, youstill see ticks on your pet.
And what's happening, ticks arebecoming more and more resistant
to those pesticides.
That's why you see every yearthey have to make them stronger,
uh, turn it to triple orquadruple or double it up or use
it less more often closetogether, so to become

(22:21):
effective.
And sooner or later they will beuh um ineffective again too.

SPEAKER_03 (22:27):
Right.
So, yeah, because I know that uhthere's uh there's been a lot of
controversy over Prometherin.
Um and it uh it it uh um yeah,it was a it was an African
chrysanthemum that originally itcame from that the I believe the

(22:48):
Egyptians were using and uh theymodified it uh so that it lasted
longer.
But uh there there's a lot moreconcern with the permithrin
because it kills things likebees and all sorts of other
things.
But uh and I know I've tried ita couple of times because it's
it's was legal in the States,and um I draw a line down the

(23:12):
back of my uh chocolate labgunner uh as I was directed to.
But I see he still got ticksafterwards, which kind of
surprised me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So um so I guess and Lymedisease, um have you dealt much
with Lyme disease for dogs?

SPEAKER_08 (23:31):
Here's the thing.
Lyme disease, yes.
I mean, I have probably in ourclinic about 300, I would two to
300 per year of my patients comepositive with Lyme.
But Lyme disease on its own in ahealthy dog um is not is not uh
is not a deadly disease.

(23:52):
I mean, for every thousand dogsthat gets infected with Lyme,
uh, six dogs get six sick withclinical science.
So the incidence of Lyme diseasein dog is 0.6%, is a really low
number if you think about it.
And if you keep the inner milieuhealthy, if they are on a good

(24:13):
food, unprocessed food, uh nottoo much vaccines, and if the
body stays hot strong, uh Lymeis not a deadly disease, but
think about it.
If Lyme was deadly, therewouldn't have been any wolf on
coyote out there, they wouldhave been all dead, right?
Because it's not Lyme.
It's not, it's not.

(24:33):
You see, in in the past 20 yearsin my clinic, I have seen two
dogs that they were really sickwith Lyme.
One of them came to me, olderdog.

SPEAKER_03 (24:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_08 (24:46):
Uh and then uh that guy was, of course, affected.
The kidney was affected, jointwas affected, and um
unfortunately that guy passedaway.
But the guy was 13 years old,okay?
Okay, uh, so already older.
And one of my patients, uhyounger dog, two years old, but
he had lots of lots of otherproblems, lots and lots of

(25:08):
underlying problems, and it wasnot a strong patient, okay.
That guy came down with Lyme,but uh thankfully he's doing
good right now.
He's he's fine.
He's fine.

SPEAKER_04 (25:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_08 (25:19):
Uh but those are the two that I saw in our practice,
or three.
There was one another one thatdied.
So three, three cases.

SPEAKER_03 (25:28):
So I do a lot of primary research, is is what
I've been listed as.
And one of the things that I wasable to come across, I came with
a herbalist out of just out ofthe side of the Hamilton area,
that he found it veryinteresting that the deer in his
area were eating a thistlecalled teasel.
And he started to do someresearch and found out that

(25:51):
teasel and teasel root was aneffective way to deal with Lyme
disease.
So I've had a number ofindividuals who've who humans
who tested positive.
I've only had it's a very smallsample, select-I've only known
three individuals that tried itand were successful.
Uh and it was a hundred percentof those the three that tried

(26:13):
it.
What they used was somethingcalled Teasel Root and the
Chaga, and they cured their ownLyme disease.

SPEAKER_08 (26:19):
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (26:20):
Yeah.
Uh so what they did was with theTeasel root, they were taking
one drop four times a day for aweek, and then they took two
drops four times a day for aweek, all the way up to seven
drops four times a day for aweek.
So it took seven weeks, andthese individuals sent their
blood to California.

(26:41):
They went to the States, uh,Michigan, and they do the blood
clinics there, and they send itto California, and uh they came
back uh free and clear um eachtime.
So I I don't know.
I do like, as I mentioned, a lotof primary research, and I found
that these individuals um andI've been trying to pass on
information like this, but uh tobe perfectly honest, uh a lot of

(27:04):
the healthcare system justdoesn't want to hear it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (27:06):
That's really interesting.
That's really interesting.
I would love to, I willdefinitely look more into it.
Uh, because what we do when Iwhen my patients, so we do blood
tests, we do blood tests to makesure they're um if they are Lyme
positive.
And what we do, uh, we do bloodtherapy.
We use their own blood, uh, taketheir own blood and put it back

(27:27):
into the body, and I make aremedy out of that blood.
Um, and we use lots ofhomeopathic remedies in in those
blood too, and we give it tothem.
So basically we have theirhealth own immune system,
protects them against Lyme.
But I would love to know moreabout KISL and um and then um we

(27:48):
can we can have it in our uh tryit.
I have to see how that's uh fordogs pans out.
I I belong to uh uh uhVeterinary Botanical Medicine
Association.
I will look into it for sure,and I I would love to learn more
about it.

SPEAKER_03 (28:06):
Yeah, it's it's been very, very difficult to find
Teasel Root.
Actually, um there's one storeuh in in um Brighton, it's
called Sunflower Health Shop, uhMarianne's shop there.
She carries, she has a herbalistthere that makes teasel root for
her.
Other than that, the individualsthat that that uh used it to
clear their uh cure their, sothey've told me their Lyme

(28:28):
disease, uh they got it out ofCalifornia because it was very,
very difficult to find.
But uh as I mentioned, I do alot of primary research and and
I try to find uh uh interestedbodies uh to listen to these
sort of things.
But I'm very happy that you'reSasson, uh Dr.
Hyatt, that you're gonna lookinto it because it could be
another benefit to a lot ofpeople that uh have pets with

(28:50):
Lyme disease.

SPEAKER_04 (28:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (28:52):
Now something you you you mentioned about
vaccinations andover-vaccinating.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um kind of can can you go intothat a bit?
Because I have a lot ofindividuals that um like myself
that think that there's too muchvaccination for pets.
And um I I well, I'll tell you,my pet gets vaccinated when he

(29:15):
was a pup uh at uh about uh oneand a half years old, and then
at six years old was the nexttime he got his next one.
So that's good.
Uh that's good to hear.
Go ahead.
No, go ahead.
Uh kind of give us your youryour belief in in vaccinating
pets.

SPEAKER_08 (29:35):
Yeah.
So I listen, I'm not totallyagainst vaccines, okay?
I think that uh especiallyrabies, because as you know,
they have rabies in Ontario.
So it's important for pets to beprotected against rabies.
So what I what what ishappening?
Um those vaccines are veryprotective and very strong, lots

(29:58):
of antigen, and they are umcreating a strong immune
response in the body, and thebody is most of the time when
they get one or two sets ofthose vaccines, they are most of
the time uh protected for therest of their life.
They don't need to get it allthe time.

(30:19):
Um uh what we do, uh we justmake sure that they are.
I I think really dogs do notneed to be maxed vaccinated
against rabies more than twotimes.
One when they are smaller, whenthey are young, for six months
of age, and one um after that,uh one more time, and that's it.

(30:44):
We do tighter testing withrabies, especially.
There is a lab uh in KansasState University, they do
measure the immunity when therabies vaccinated because
legally in Ontario, they need tobe either every three years uh
vaccinated or you have to have aproof of immunity.

(31:04):
So the proof of immunity meansthat if they have tider, so the
lab thankfully does the tidertest and then it gives you a
number.
It gives you a number, uh blackand white, if it's uh above uh
0.5, the pets has immunity.
We have done in our clinicprobably close to 2,000 tider

(31:26):
tests, and uh uh I have a goodidea, and I'll show my
colleagues that they do this,that they are they are uh those
vaccines stay effective foryears and years and years.
So and when a dog has enoughimmunity and you keep provoking
the immune system again withmore vaccines, you are causing

(31:49):
lots of lots of health issues,lots of lots of those
autoimmunities that are orallergies, they are uh stemmed
for uh too much vaccination.
So do you know, and there arelots of other vaccines in the
market that they are uh neitherprotective nor necessary in in

(32:10):
my view.
Um and and we have the proof forit here.

SPEAKER_03 (32:14):
Yes, um what the the second vaccination with which
would have happened, but uh itwas a strange incident.
There was uh, to be perfectlyhonest, uh what happened was uh
there was a I opened the doorand there was a raccoon in the
backyard at my place.
Anyways, and so the raccoon, Icalled my chocolate lab, I

(32:37):
called him off, he comes off.
He comes in, the raccoon chasedhim into the house.
Oh my goodness, yeah.
And so we have this raccoon inthe house, and I'm trying to get
this raccoon out.
And I never saw a behavior froma raccoon like that, so I
thought, uh-oh, this is notnormal.
There's something unusual aboutthis.
Either that it was, or it wassomebody had been feeding it and

(32:58):
it became virtuallydomesticated.
But uh, so that's when I got thethe second vaccination for him.
But what I got was uh it wascalled a nine-way vaccination
that that comes out of theStates and is supposed to be
good for a minimum of five yearsfor nine different uh uh
potential uh uh infections thatthe dog could get.

(33:21):
Have you heard about that?

SPEAKER_08 (33:24):
No, I haven't, but Jury, I have a little bit.
I mean, I'm glad that your dogis fine and didn't have a
problem with those uhmulti-layered vaccines that they
have put so many different umantigens in it, they are, if you

(33:45):
do it often, you have moreproblems.
You know, they are they call itcombos also because they are
putting so many differentantigens in one vial.
So you just basically hammer thebody with so many different
antigen.
I try to um I try not to uhdon't I wouldn't repeat it if

(34:07):
you if you if it was you, Iwouldn't repeat it for your
talk.
Don't do it again.

SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
No, he he's done.
He's done uh gettingvaccinations as far as I'm
concerned uh for the rest of hislife.
And until normally what happensis if he gets to about 1213, uh
then I looked at it at thattime.
But uh as far as I'm concerned,no, I'm I'm not uh administering
any more to him, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_08 (34:31):
Yes, yes.
And especially right now, thereare uh what is happening right
now, um the new vaccines, thereare new vaccines coming.
They are dog, vaccine for dogs,rabies, and under their vaccine
that they are mRNA-basedvaccines.
So they are made with the mRNAtechnology.

SPEAKER_04 (34:49):
Right.

SPEAKER_08 (34:49):
And those are, in my opinion, because there's many,
many experts and immunologists,doctors, it's not a very safe
technology to have it in fordogs to do it because there's
still lots of unansweredquestions at how those mRNA
vaccines work in the body, butbecause it's pretty new thing.

(35:10):
So um, especially I would saythat uh people should avoid
those ones and ask your vet andmake sure the vaccine that you
are getting is just an oldschool vaccine if they are
giving you a rabies vaccine.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (35:24):
Uh are you fill familiar with uh Robert Malone?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, actually he called meabout Chaga.

SPEAKER_08 (35:32):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 (35:32):
He called me from uh California.
Remember, I said I'm the ChagaMeister?

SPEAKER_08 (35:36):
Yeah, my goodness.
Wow, yeah.
I I I follow him quite uh quiteclosely for years.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (35:42):
Yeah.
It uh he was uh we spoke aboutChaga because uh quite frankly,
I had a research study that wasuh published that showed that uh
Chaga had the ability toeffectively negate the negative
actions of COVID on uh the bodyand eliminate the overabundance
of inflammation causing peopleto go on on uh ventilators.

(36:04):
And um and we tried to discussthat, but it would be uh in
order his exact words was well,in order to get it accepted
mainstream, you're looking at 20to 30 million U.S.
in order to get it into thesystem.
But uh that was one of the keyreasons.
But yeah, his MRN the the uhMRNA research uh was his area

(36:29):
that he specialized in.

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He was the one that started it,yeah.

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Okay, we're with Bev here in Lindsay.
And Bev, you've got someexperience with Chaga that you'd
like to share with some people.
Tell us uh two stories.
Start with your father's story.

SPEAKER_01 (38:07):
Hi, Jerry.
Um Well, um my dad had mentionedto me that he was struggling
with his blood pressure and he'dgone on meds and it wasn't
bringing it down.
He was running around 180, 185,and wasn't enjoying that at all.
And um And so I suggested thathe try the chug of tea because I
knew some other people that hadhad a good experience with it,

(38:29):
and I knew my own experiencewith it.
He started doing the chug of teaevery day.
Um he stuck it in with hiscoffee, so he only had to drink
one thing a day, and withinthree weeks he had dropped from
180 to 140, which he was reallyexcited about.
But what it what he was evenmore excited about was that
about three to four weeks afterthat, he had gone down to 125.

(38:51):
So we're really grateful for thedifference the chaka has made
with his blood pressure.

SPEAKER_03 (38:56):
And he wasn't doing there wasn't any other
medications or changes this todo the change?

SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
No, this was the actually the only shift.
He didn't shift anythingdiet-wise, physical
exercise-wise at all.
The only thing he added in thathe hadn't been doing before was
chaga.

SPEAKER_03 (39:09):
And put it in his coffee, I believe, I could say.
Okay, and you have your ownstory now.
I have my own story.

SPEAKER_01 (39:15):
So I I started on chaga when I um I met Jerry just
as I realized that I was goinginto a relapse of multiple
cirrhosis that I I had notrelapsed for approximately 25
years, so I was a littlestartled about it and wanted to
get on it.
And um, so I was in the processof changing a lot of things so

(39:36):
that I could um go back intorelapse rather than dealing with
the MS symptoms.
And so I did change diet and Istopped physical exercise so
that my body would have morerest, and I added the chakra in.
And within within I mean withinfive days, I noticed that the
nerve sensory issues I washaving in my legs was already

(39:59):
settling down.
And within about three weeks, Ihave the strength to walk
unassisted again.
And I am about three months in.
And um I have um taking a 10-daybreak from it a couple of times
just to, you know, you know,just so that my body, you know,

(40:19):
can stay balanced, you know,without it.
But every time I go back on it,I um I can feel the difference
in mental clarity and in the waymy nerves are communicating, and
I'm I'm walking very, very wellnow.

SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
Very good.
Well, thank you very much forsharing your story with the
first time.

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Thanks for thanks for hollering me and asking me
to try to free cut that onefarmer's market morning.

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Well, I'm glad it's working out for you.

SPEAKER_01 (40:45):
Thanks, Jerry.

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Hey, thanks for listening.
Back to the episode.
So you you mentioned a bunch ofthings.
So what uh what do you suggestfor individuals who for things
like uh instead of taking theheartworm pills or the uh uh the
uh the well we mentioned uh thegarlic and the nettle and the

(42:12):
some of the sprays potentiallyto use for dogs, but what are
some of the other uh potentialsuggestions to give to people
instead of taking, say, theheartworm pill, for example?
Okay.

SPEAKER_08 (42:23):
So heartworm, the incidence of heartworm in
Ontario is pretty low.
It's very low.
So what we do for heartworm, uhwe uh we do blood screening
testing.
Okay, so we recommend them oncea year uh do a blood test.
This blood test can be done inany vet clinic and make sure
they are negative.
And especially with heartworm,you know, at the time, from the

(42:46):
time that a dog gets bitten by amosquito that carries the larva
till it shows clinical sign, ittakes about three years.
It's not that the dog getsbitten tomorrow today by heart
by a mosquito that carriesheartworm and tomorrow gets
sick.
So the um it takes a long timefor the larva to mature and

(43:08):
become evolves and becomesproblematic.
So once or twice a year, if youdo the blood test, you you can
be rest assured that there is noproblem uh regarding heartworm.
And if there is a problem withheartworm, let's say if they
come positive, they can use thesame pesticide, I mean, either
ivermectin-based, that is safer,or the other pesticides that uh

(43:33):
easily gets rid of them.
As long as you catch it early.
So if you catch early heartworm,heartworm is not a problem.
Uh we, as I said, we had we weredoing this for 20 years between
me and my colleagues.
Um, and we never everrecommended heartworm or flee
and take medications.

(43:53):
And I never ever had anybodycome back to me and say, hey,
listen, we should have neverheard listen to you.
And that was a bad idea.
Never.
Um so heartworm is not aproblem.
As I said, heartworm is not aproblem.
Uh fleas, yes.
I mean, if you have fleas, andticks, those are the problems.

SPEAKER_03 (44:13):
Okay, and now uh the the same medication for fleas,
because we did me mention you wedid talk a bit about the um the
tech medications and suggestionsthere.

SPEAKER_08 (44:23):
Yeah, same for fleas.
Uh fleas are different.
I mean, fleas, listen, I if if apet gets fleas, uh I always tell
clients uh the only thing worsethan flea and tech medications
is having a house full of fleas.
So you don't want that becauseit's a nightmare, okay?

SPEAKER_04 (44:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (44:41):
So if they get here's the line that we draw.
If we have a pet that gets fleasand often or comes with fleas,
ISOR normally, so of course theycan use flea shampoos, they can
use uh different things, butsometimes they need, most of the
time, they need to use somethingthat is stronger.

(45:02):
Uh, we recommend a product thatis ivermectin-based.
It's called Revolution.
Uh, it's a selectin.
Um, and it's uh it's it'srelatively safer than many other
pesticides in the market.
And it just uh helps furtherinfestation uh when they are

(45:27):
using it.
Um so that is what I use for, II recommend if there is a flea
problem.
But as I said, if you keep thepets healthy, um normally fleas
are far, far less problems.
I probably per year I have maybeseven or eight clients that they

(45:51):
end up using uh a fleaprotection.
That's for a very short periodof time, they use it for three
or four months, they get rid ofthe ta the fleas, and then um
and then we take it from there.

SPEAKER_03 (46:05):
Yeah, I try to.
Now, I have to tell you, the thethe big corporate uh clinics are
telling you that and that wasone of the things that I got
into an argument with them aboutwas that, oh, you have to have
your dog on it all year long.

SPEAKER_08 (46:20):
Oh, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 (46:21):
And I said, no.
I said, no, it's uh they're notactive this time of the year.
Why would I do that?
And it just drives me a littlebit crazy, you know, because
probably, Sason, you don'trealize no, but uh my chocolate
lab gunner is is a member of thefamily, and we take care of him
the best of our ability anddoing everything that we can

(46:42):
with him.
I mean, in the living room, hehas his own special chair, and
that's his chair, and he knowshe doesn't go on the couch, he
doesn't go on any of the otherchairs, he has his one chair,
and that's it.
Uh but uh we he is a member ofthe family and we take care of
him to the best of our abilityto do everything we can for him.
So w what sort of other thingsuh do you suggest for things

(47:04):
like arthritis or diabetes?

SPEAKER_08 (47:07):
Okay, so first of all is diet.
I mean, uh pets, unfortunately,they are on such a poor dietary
uh cables or and it doesn'tmatter what the ingredients are,
they uh they are cables that theingredients are a bit better,
but they are highly processed.
They are consideredultra-processed food because the

(47:29):
way that they put them together,they are high heated, extruded,
and then sprayed with uh seedoils uh and flavors, and then uh
put in a bag, and they are veryinflammatory.
So in our clinic, uh werecommend either um it's a whole

(47:50):
food diet, either cooked or raw.
So that's the first thing that Iwould love my um clients to do.
Um cable.
If they for some reason are notable to cook or they have a
problem with raw food, the nextbest options are the food that
are freeze-dried, so they areminimally processed.

(48:14):
Um and then even freeze-dried,they have to incorporate um
fresh vegetables in it.
So they can just steam it, chopit, and uh add to the bowl, or
crack and raw egg, um, add alittle bit of good yogurt, so
just incorporate good food andfresh food.

(48:36):
Mushrooms, I'm a big fan ofadding mushrooms to the dog's
food.
Um, they can use chitake, brownmushrooms, they can brew chaga,
put chaga in the food, reshi.
Um, and eat seasonal, eatsomething same as us.
Um eat with the season.

SPEAKER_03 (48:56):
As a matter of fact, later today, uh my wife Diane
and I will be cooking our ournext nine days of Gunnar's food,
because every nine days, uh wewe usually use uh three pounds
of some sort of a meat.
I don't use pork, but everythingelse uh include that, along with
uh sweet potato, broccoli,apples.

(49:17):
Um it's uh a rice that uh we useas well, and uh a number of uh
things like well, garlic powder,uh oregano, merigum, uh parsley.
Uh there's a whole list ofthings that uh we provide.
And and he just can't wait.
Uh rosemary as well.
And I did actually a podcastwhere medicinal herbs uh people

(49:40):
can start to use and start tocook with those things for
better health as well.
And it's the same, obviously,for Petsun, is what I'm hearing
here.
But I think as of today, I'mgonna add some in today's batch.
We'll add a little bit of chagapowder uh that I produce into
his food as well.
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 (49:57):
Absolutely.
No, that's that sounds reallygood.
So same thing.
I always tell clients, I mean,feed your dog uh same food you
should you should you should eatthe same food that your uh dog
is eating.
It's very, very similar to whatwe cook for ourselves.
Just a very good, healthy,wholesome food uh stew.
There's there's a very fewthings that dogs cannot eat.

(50:18):
Of course, grapes, you know thatgrapes, raisins is better to uh
stay away with it.
Nobody knows why grapes andraisins are uh toxic to dogs.
I believe many people believeit's the pesticide that they put
on it.
Um but some dogs get really sickwith uh grapes and raisin.
Some dogs are fine, but somedogs get really sick.

(50:39):
I have seen dogs in kidneyfailure in emergency clinic with
grapes eating grapes.
So grapes, uh, macadamia nuts,uh, chocolate, of course, um
those are the things that theyum you should stay away,
chocolate.
Um uh but the rest of it, uhalmost everything that grows

(51:00):
under the sun and we eat, thoseguys have eaten, uh can eat it.
Just uh make sure uh if it's thefirst time, just uh do a test
drive, do a little bit, see howthe body tolerates it, because
we are all a different.

SPEAKER_03 (51:16):
Great.
So I have a question then.
I and one of the things that I Ido so uh I invented, I have huge
success for people with uh uhskin cream for eczema and
psoriasis.
But um part of the formula iscacao butter, which is what they
make chocolate out of.
Is that something that could notbe applied on because I had

(51:36):
people that uh uh were puttingthis on sores on their dogs or
tumors on their dogs.
Is that something that is notrecommended because of the cacao
butter in there?
It's cacao butter.

SPEAKER_08 (51:48):
Uh very interesting, uh, because um what is toxic in
chocolate for dogs isteobromine.
So cacao butter, it's I'm notsure to be honest with you.
It depends how much teobrominecacao butter has.
Um, and I can tell you, smallamount of it, so small amount of

(52:12):
teobromine for so there is alevel that they tolerated over
than that becomes toxic.
Okay.
So you have to see how muchteobomine in that cream is, to
the that cocoa butter is, andwhether it uh it reaches the
threshold.
And of course, the smaller thedog, because it's per uh
milligram per kilogram, right?

(52:34):
So the smaller the dog, the moresensitive they will become to
it.
So if it's used for the big dog,a little bit of cream, uh most
likely it's okay.
But if you have a two, threepounds little um yorky or or or
chihuahua, you should be overcareful, a little bit careful.
And their age, the older theybecome, the more sensitive they

(52:57):
become to these things.

SPEAKER_03 (52:58):
Aaron Powell Okay.
Yeah, I I know I've hadindividuals tell me that um they
they had the cream for theirtheir own uses and they put it
on their dog, and it cleared upthe open source uh very
effectively, and they were quiteshocked at it.
So and it's not something that Ipromote the cream for because I
don't have enough testimonialsand I don't have enough research
to to know the impacts on that.

(53:20):
So now you mentioned KansasState University.
Um most of the research that Ifind regarding canines and
natural products uh come out ofPenn State University.
Is there places out there thatyou would suggest that people
can find more research?
Because I'm one of those uhresearch individuals.
Like I like to verify thingsrather than just um anecdotal or

(53:42):
hearsay.
So where can people findresearch?

SPEAKER_08 (53:46):
So there are a couple of associations uh in
most, two of them are in thestate.
It's the if if for herbs,especially herbs for pets, is
Veterinary Botanical MedicineAssociation, so uh VBMA, uh,
that is one very good source tofind out good webinars and good

(54:09):
sources of herbs.
There's a few really, reallygood herbalists that they are uh
they started the association,and um and that is one source.
There is another association,it's American Holistic Medicine
Association, uh AHVMA.

(54:29):
Um, and they are uh vets thatthey do practice holistic
medicine different modalities.
There is also a school, there isan online school, it's called
College of IntegrativeVeterinary Therapies, uh, CIVT.
Uh they are based in Australiaand they have good um good

(54:54):
courses for veterinarians andfor public to go and see, and
they publish, uh they have lotsof case studies and lots of
researches that they are uhpublishing.
So there's there's more and moreresources coming out, uh coming
along uh too.
And there is of course the QiInstitutes uh in uh Florida,

(55:17):
they are um they're more gearedto acupuncture and um Chinese
medicine, TCM for pets.

SPEAKER_03 (55:26):
Oh, okay, very interesting.
And I've been marking thesedown.
So what was that college ofintegrated?

SPEAKER_08 (55:32):
It's called CIVT, it's College of Integrative
Veterinary Therapies.

SPEAKER_03 (55:37):
Therapy.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, I I've marked all those inthe American Holistic Medical
Association, the VDMA, as wellas the Florida TCM.
Uh because once we're done here,uh I'm uh one of those
obsessive, compulsiveindividuals that uh I'll be
looking a lot of those things upbecause uh I think Yeah, that's

(55:57):
very good.
So are there preventative thingsthat you suggest that people can
take for their pets?

SPEAKER_08 (56:06):
Preventative for health?

SPEAKER_03 (56:07):
Yeah, so it's just a booster immune system.
Or I know Chaga.

SPEAKER_08 (56:11):
Yes, Chaga is one of them.
Uh being a being a good food, sogood food is the main thing.
So stay away from processedfood, stay away from
over-vaccination, do not usepesticides.
And then uh the other thing, asyou know, uh we are exposed, no
matter how healthy we try tostay ourselves and our pants, we

(56:35):
are exposed to lots of lots ofenvironmental toxins, especially
glyphosate.
Glyphosate is everywhere.
So I um I recommend patients togo on um ingredients.
I don't know, are you familiarwith pectosol?
Pectosol is a uh structuredpectin that actively binds to

(56:58):
glyphosate and gets rid of theglyphosate from the body.
So I I um there are a fewthings, but one of them,
pectosol is um is is quiteeffective.
So I recommend, especiallypatients that live on or near
golf courses or farmlands, thatthey are spread all the time

(57:19):
with glyphosate.
I recommend them to go on andoff on uh pectosol to basically
detox the body from glyphosate,uh, because you know that
probably there's a strong linkbecause between glyphosate and
uh destruction of themicrobiome, liquid gut, cancer,
lymphoma.

(57:40):
Um so did there is a strong linkthere.

SPEAKER_03 (57:43):
Uh one is this I just want to this pectasol.
Um how how do you spell thepectasol, just so I get it
right?

SPEAKER_08 (57:53):
Is P-E-C-T-A uh S O L, I believe.
Pectasol.

SPEAKER_03 (58:01):
Okay, very good.
I almost had it right.
And because I know uh thatglyphosphate that you're
mentioning, I had um a MasterGardener on that was um
conversations with myselfafterwards that felt that a lot
of the uh gluten intolerance wasspecifically because of
glyphosphate as opposed togluten.
So this pectasol, how do youconsume that or how is it taken?

SPEAKER_08 (58:23):
Is it a tablet?
You few companies make it, uh,few companies, a couple of them
in the state, and now in Canada,too, AOR is one of them that
makes it.
Uh you it's just a tablet.
You take it as an empty on anempty stomach in the morning.
I on and off take it myself too,because as I said, it's
everywhere.
Doesn't matter even if you tryto um eat food that are

(58:46):
non-sprayed or organic, butthere are still pesticides
everywhere.
Um and then the other thing iswater.
One that's very overlooked is tobe clean water.
I recommend my patients to bestay off tap water as much as
they can uh because of theamount of pharmaceuticals that
is in the tap water, chlorinefluoride, um uh, and then uh

(59:10):
forever ke forever chemicals,what you name it.

SPEAKER_03 (59:14):
Um what about alkaline water?
Is that make a difference?
Do you know?

SPEAKER_08 (59:18):
Alkaline water, you know, but there is lots of, it's
very interesting.
I was talking to a client aboutit recently.
Yes, I mean we know that thebody, if the body works
alkaline, cancer cells have areless likely to grow in it.
Okay.
Yes.
They uh they they prefer anacidic environment.
However, with alkaline water, Ialways have that question when

(59:40):
you drink alkaline water, thefirst thing that you do, it goes
in your stomach and your stomachacid neutralizes it.
Because we have a very acidicstomach.
So I'm not totally I know thereis lots of research or lots of
talk about this to make the bodyalkaline, make the water
alkaline.
Alkaline, but I'm not hundredpercent sold yet that how that

(01:00:06):
does work.
I'm I'm curious, I'm verycurious about it.
That but definitely consumingmore alkaline forming food, like
lots of green vegetables, lotsof um unprocessed food that
creates in the body an alkalineenvironment that's definitely I

(01:00:28):
always advocate for it because Ithink that's a really good idea
to protect your body againstcancer.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:36):
Interesting, I know.
Um yeah, it's it's so manydifferent things.
And one of the things youmentioned earlier on, which um
I'll go to a bit of a backgroundwith it.
Uh you mentioned about a cleanhouse.
Now I had a mycologist from theUniversity of Toronto on on a
podcast where they were able toidentify the house that a baby

(01:00:59):
was crawling in because of thethrough through examinations of
their poop because the babiesare close to the ground, and
certain houses have differenttypes of dust in the house that
could be identified to aspecific house.
So one of the things that Ifound is and I spoke to the
mycologist about this, is uh mychocolate lab, he sleeps beside

(01:01:23):
the bed on his own mat on thefloor, and occasionally about
every four days he gets up andhe wanders around and he's he's
moving all over the place and onand on and on.
However, if I take the theblanket that's on top of the the
uh the foam that he sleeps onand put it in the dryer for 20

(01:01:45):
minutes, solid night sleep, noproblem at all.
Doesn't move, doesn't doanything.
And I'm assuming that there'ssomething, whether it's dust
mites or whatever, inside theblanket that's annoying him.
Is is those the sorts of thingsthat make a difference for pets,
or have you done any research orheard anything about things like
that?

SPEAKER_08 (01:02:05):
Absolutely, absolutely.
You know what?
Dust mites are one of the knownallergens, environmental
allergens in the house, thatpets can be uh allergic to it
and react to it.
Yeah, that's a really you made avery good connection.
And um and then also uhdifferent um detergent, laundry

(01:02:26):
detergent.
Uh sometimes pets can beallergic to it.
Okay, the residue in it thatstays in the pet sheets, uh
sometimes they can react to it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:36):
Um normally what I do is I do a double rinse cycle
after I use laundry detergentdetergent.
Does that help or is it just I'mbeing overcautious?

SPEAKER_08 (01:02:46):
And and using a little bit more, I'm sure you
probably do that, use more uhnatural products that they are
not so heavily um scented and uhfull of chemical.
They are now better productsaround um if you look.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:03):
Absolutely.
However, um my wife Diane and Ihave discussions about that all
the time.
Uh it's on the store, it's gottabe safe.
It's it's you know, they theywouldn't sell things that are
not safe, and I just say No, no,no.
No, do not do not use uh the thethe laundry sheets that uh or
the the towels that go in thedryer and my stuff and anything

(01:03:26):
else and things like thatbecause I try and reduce all
those things.

SPEAKER_08 (01:03:29):
You know the fabric, you know, the strong association
between fabric softener andpancreatic cancer that they
found recently, right?
So whatever the reasons.
Yeah, yeah.

unknown (01:03:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:41):
Very interesting.
Well, I know I had um anotherspecialist that provided pet
care in a different way, Dr.
Fanella out of the uh WhitbyChiropractic that only does
chiropractic for pets, which wasuh uh and and the story was I
had a another chocolate labprior to the one I have now that
he was playing with a 156-poundBurmese mountain uh dog and

(01:04:07):
jumped on my dog's back, and Ithey took it to to my vet and
they put him on these uhmedications because I could tell
he had trouble going up and downstairs and he couldn't jump up,
um, you know, like all sorts ofthings like that.
So but the dog was basicallystoned.

(01:04:27):
It would go outside, it would godown two steps and fall over and
roll and bounce up, and it wasjust like crazy.
I said, this isn't good.
So I took it in and oneadjustment from the uh
chiropractor there, uh, and uhit was back to normal.
And I could tell that uh whenthings were bad, uh I took him
in, he got an adjustment.
Are you finding other thingslike that are are becoming more

(01:04:49):
prevalent in the pet careindustry that people are looking
for alternatives to uh the bigpharma, shall we say?

SPEAKER_08 (01:04:56):
Yes, absolutely.
Yes, absolutely.
Uh a good, carefully donechiropractic adjustment is
definitely helpful for pets.
And what I like even more is anosteopathic adjustment, because
most chiropractic adjustmentsare really osteopathic
adjustments that are uh veryhelpful.
They are uh they're now more andmore osteopaths uh that I uh

(01:05:20):
refer patients to and goodchiropractors in this area that
I have.
I am and uh yes, that uh I findit very helpful.
And uh physio rehabs, exercises,they are all becoming more and
more um very same thing that welook for uh staying healthy,

(01:05:41):
they are becoming more and moreavailable for pets.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:45):
Well, I I I've been uh Dr.
uh Hyed uh Sasan, uh I've beenabsolutely uh I'm loving doing
this podcast because uh Gunner,I talk about him every single
podcast.
I start off every one.
I give his updates and what'shappening and what's new.
I mean, the one time he came in,oh, so maybe this is a good one
that you could kind of give.

(01:06:05):
So I open the back door and outhe goes.
And uh we have some rabbits inthe back.
So he's off chasing something,and the back door was left open
because it was um that time ofthe year where it wasn't uh uh
it was the temperature wasright.
And he comes back in and he's Ilook over and he's rubbing his
face on the carpet, and then heruns over to the couch and he's
rubbing his face on the couch.

(01:06:27):
Oh no, it wasn't a rabbit he waschasing, it was a skunk.
Oh my goodness.
What what do you recommend toget rid of skunk smell off a
pet?

SPEAKER_08 (01:06:37):
Well, very good point.
Uh so skunk smell.
Um, the best thing to do whenthey get because it's very hard
to get off rid of the uh skunksmell.
The very first thing to do, youhave to get the baking soda,
baking soda powder, and just rubit on the coat, okay?
And then just leave it.

(01:06:57):
I mean, most people, the mistakethat we do is you go and start
washing the pad uh quickly withsome detergent.
And because when you do this,the skunk, the oil, the uh that
skunk uh um that the scent ismade of, it starts seeping
through the skin and stays therefor months.

(01:07:19):
So if you can um dust, put a puta fine dust of baking soda
everywhere that uh the um uhthis uh the coat has been
exposed and do it a few timesand then leave it for a week and
then after the week wash it.
Uh that happened to my dog justuh a few months ago in summer.

(01:07:41):
So I did the same thing.
Um after about 10 days, um uhyou go and um I went to my
groomer and she did um I have acolleague.
Uh she did a good uh wash.
So that will prevent skunk smeltlingering because when you wash
it right away uh with adetergent uh that forms,

(01:08:05):
normally, no matter how manytimes you do it, it will it will
stay uh with your dog for atleast two, three months till the
skin rejuvenates itself.
There are other stuff thatpeople are recommending tomato
juice, um hydrogen peroxide, uhCoca-Cola, those things.
But but I find that this onejust it works best.

(01:08:26):
Uh just the baking soda, justput it over the body and just
wait.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:30):
Uh so the the that's what we use was the the
peroxide.
Um and it it worked very wellfrom what I experienced there.
Good, good, perfect.
Yeah, and of course, there'sdifferent grades of it.
And what you can get in thestore is I think it's only 3%,
but it was very effective withwater and eliminating and
reducing it.

(01:08:50):
And so you don't think that wasa problem at all?

SPEAKER_08 (01:08:53):
No, no, no.
If it worked for you, that'sgood.
And then remember, you have alab.
So labs have a have a shortercoat.
I have a collie, so this guy isall fur.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:01):
So very good.
Well, I very much appreciate uhour time and you taking the time
to be on our podcast with us.
Um, Dr.
Hyatt, how can people get intouch with you or find out more
information?
And are you open to new patientsuh for your clinics?

SPEAKER_08 (01:09:20):
Yeah, we take new patients.
However, we are a little bit uhthere's a little bit of wait
time, but we do, yes, we dolimited uh number of take a
limited number of new patients.
Um and we are if they canbasically Google us.
I mean, if you Google uh uhHolistic Vet Ontario, we will

(01:09:43):
come up.
Um my practice is in New Marketand um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:51):
Okay, so uh just uh Holistic uh Vets Ontario is how
to get in touch with you.

SPEAKER_08 (01:09:56):
The practice name is actually we are under the name
of Northeast New Market VetServices, uh, but we are known
as De Holistic Vet.
So if they Google De HolisticVet Ontario, um uh it we should
come up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:13):
Okay.
Well, I very much appreciate youtaking the time to be on the on
the podcast.
I will be reaching out uhbecause I I am in looking for a
um a vet, and I think that uh wethink along the same ideologies
of our pets, we want to takecare of them the best of our
ability with uh those sorts ofthings.
And uh I really appreciate youtaking the time.

(01:10:34):
Thanks for uh very much uhSassal and Dr.
Hyatt for being on the podcastwith us.

SPEAKER_08 (01:10:38):
Yeah, my pleasure, Jerry.
Thanks.
Pleasure is mine.
Thanks for having me.

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