December 15, 2025 • 51 mins
Ever wondered how a galaxy ends up inside a marble? We kick off with winter wisdom—how to shovel so the plow doesn’t bury your driveway, why raccoons can’t raid tipped‑over bins, and a simple wood‑heat trick that moves warmth to every room—then shift into the firelit world of borosilicate glass with artist Trevor Logan.
Trevor breaks down glass at the atomic level in language anyone can follow: the differences between soda‑lime and borosilicate, why lab glass resists thermal shock, and how sourcing pure silica sand shapes clarity. He walks us through his signature “space marbles,” shaving a pure silver coin, fuming vapor onto clear glass, and sculpting spiral galaxies with tungsten tools before backing them in deep black and annealing overnight at 1050 degrees. We compare soft‑glass crucible work to torch‑based lampworking, visit the culture of marble shows, and map the life cycle of glass from color‑sorted bottles to California’s famed Glass Beach.
The conversation turns heartfelt with memorial ash pieces—small pendants and marbles that suspend a loved one’s ashes in glass with remarkable clarity, often using only an eighth of a teaspoon. Trevor shares options, pricing, and stories of families combining ashes or choosing suncatchers and shelf‑ready keepsakes instead of urns. We round it out with his second maker lane: 3D printing photo reliefs in PLA derived from corn sugars, using techniques like HueForge to turn wedding portraits, fish trophies, and family moments into luminous, backlit art. Along the way we highlight practical winter gear tips, all‑wheel drive vs four‑wheel drive in slick corners, and where to explore Trevor’s work online.
If you love craft, science, and stories you can hold, this one’s for you. Follow and share the show, leave a rating or review, and tell us: what memory would you preserve in glass?
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However, my journey into thewoods didn't come from politics.
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canopy.
Okay, well, as always, we'rethanking our listeners and
asking, you got any ask themquestions, that is.
You got any suggestions forshows?
Let us know.
We'll do what we can to get themon.
Takes a bit of time, research tomake it happen, but we certainly
do.
And I gotta tell you, it was uma usual morning where Gunner
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gets up and I'm I'm trying toget a sliver out of my finger,
and and the chocolate lab uhwalks up and right between me in
the sink, which you know whatthat means, means he wants his
teeth brushed.
And so sure enough, get thetoothbrush out.
And it's a bit of a differenttype of toothbrush.
I haven't seen too many of thesearound anymore, but if I do,
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I'll pick up another one.
It's kind of a three-sided onewhere the uh the the support
leaves on it uh kind of spreadout.
So it's not just a normaltoothbrush that that we as
humans use, but it's a bit of adifferent one anyway.
So he got his teeth brushed, andand it's that time of year again
where out shoveling the snow,and I gotta tell you a couple
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things.
When shoveling the snow, it it'stough, especially when the the
boys are helping out and doingme a big favor, they throw it
right beside the driveway.
And as the snow comes, and itlooks like there's going to be a
pile of it this year, uh,Pierre, my buddy, who's been on
a couple of times on the podcastup north, in 24 hours he got
about 18 inches of snow up wherethey are, up uh west of Timmins,
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deep in the bush there.
But uh so a fair bit, and whenyou throw the snow right beside
the driveway, the pile getspretty big and you have to throw
it over later on.
And when you get that wet, heavysnow makes it tough.
So I always throw the firstbatches as far as I can to get
them away.
Now, one of the other tricksthat I showed a lot of the
neighbors that a lot of all theneighbors do it now.
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Actually, there's two tricks.
Um, before the snow, one of thethings is I was out with the
recycle bin.
It was seven o'clock, six thirtyin the morning, sort of thing,
and I hear this crash down theroad, and I look over down the
road, and there's a raccoon.
And the raccoon's going along,pushing over the recycle bins,
getting into them because theypop open.
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But so what we do is we lay therecycle bin down, and the reason
we do that is because raccoonscan't push it over to get it to
pop open.
So it keeps the garbage and allthe recycle materials, the this
is the uh organic stuff, thefood waste stuff, and it just
works great.
But the other thing is whenwe're shoveling the snow, I know
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the route that the snow plowtakes, and I shovel about 25-30
feet of the roadway to clear itso it doesn't pile so when the
plow goes by, it doesn't pile upon my driveway.
At the end of the driveway,where you get that huge mound of
snow makes it so tough.
So what I do is I take one swipeand I throw that snow up on the
(05:41):
lawn, and then the rest of it Ipush out towards uh on when I'm
walking back, I push it outtowards the middle, and it stops
the end of the driveway fromgetting this huge bank of snow
every time the snow plow goesby.
And now everybody's doing it, soeverybody with their snowblowers
do it does a double pass downand clears that out to make it a
lot easier, which is kind ofnice.
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Some of the other stuff thoughis that you know, I got the
boots out and it just drives mecrazy.
Round laces.
I don't know why, but they donot stay tied unless you do a
double loop.
You know, you do your normal oneand then I do a another
tightening loop.
But those round laces, I don'tknow who came up with the idea,
(06:23):
whether it's for cosmetics orlooks or whatever, but they
don't work like the flat lacesused to do very well, in my
opinion, at all.
Some of the other stuff was thatI got the insert that we talked
about, and I have not had thefurnace on the entire month.
It was minus it was about minuseight, minus nine last night, so
it may have been a little bitcolder than that, but the house
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was toasty warm.
Actually, it's warmer now withthat wood stove going, and all I
do is I turn on the fan and thefurnace to circulate the air
through the house, and it heatsthe whole house because the the
wood insert has these blowers onit that work great, but it only
heats kind of like the theimmediate area around, which is
quite frankly the the uh theliving room, kitchen, dining
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room area.
But to get it into the bedroomsand the bathroom, I turn the
fans on and it works great.
But the big problem I have withuh the insert is there's so much
ashes, well, mostly hot coals.
So the hot coals in there take along time to to get down to a to
an ash.
But uh so I'm trying to figureout what to do with hot coals.
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And if anybody has anysuggestions, let me know.
I turn the I open the insertwide open to give it lots of air
to try and get those coals downbecause it seems to be the
flame.
And the coals do give off a lotof heat.
But when I like to stoke it upat night, I put about uh four,
maybe about four pieces of of uhsix-inch round um kind of logs
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in there and that lasts prettymuch the whole night.
But when you get up in themorning, it's just filled with
coals, which is still okay, butI like to keep the fire going
because the coals kind of have atendency to pile up.
So any suggestions there.
And one other thing is that I'vegot to tell you, I'm I'm driving
a four-wheel drive vehicle now.
And my last couple of vehicles,well, actually uh let me see,
(08:12):
three back and four back.
I had a uh a Yukon that hadfour-wheel drive.
And then I got that one kind ofaged out because I usually put
uh quite a few kilometers, mileson it.
Then I got another one, but thenext one had all-wheel drive.
And the four-wheel drive ongreasy days, snowy days like
this, when you come around thecorner and you give it a little
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gas, it cranks sideways andthings like that.
That all-wheel drive, though, inthat Yukon, I come around the
corner and put the foot down tosee, and it would not swerve,
slide sideways any which way atall, go as straight as a dime.
So I find it works really,really good.
As long as you got good tires,course in this kind of weather,
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it makes a big difference.
It helps out a lot.
And this morning I brought in uhthe new special that uh here for
the gang, uh the new Chaga Minttea, which is going over great,
and I gotta tell you, I'm reallyenjoying it too, and it seems to
be really popular at the eventsI'm attending.
But we're not here to talk aboutall that stuff today, although
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it's nice to bring it up once ina while.
But I've got a guest on todaythat kind of surprised you.
It's something I found veryinteresting, and it's Trevor
Logan, and Trevor does somethingunique that uh he shows up at
the farmers markets with.
Welcome to the podcast, Trevor.
SPEAKER_07 (09:31):
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_08 (09:32):
No problem.
So tell us uh tell us aboutwhat's your specialty that draw
you drew you to my podcast.
SPEAKER_07 (09:40):
Uh glass blowing.
I I do flame working, lampworking, and um, I believe it
was the space marbles thatreally attracted you to my
booth.
SPEAKER_08 (09:48):
Okay, so glass blowing.
So uh first of all, where aboutyou located to our international
listeners?
Because uh Trevor, we've gotlisteners all across Canada,
through the States, throughSwitzerland, uh Ghana, all
through the Caribbean as well.
Where about you located fromToronto, say?
SPEAKER_07 (10:04):
I'm uh east of Toronto, about an hour and 45
minutes in Butley, Ontario.
Right on Rice Lake, sir.
Right on yeah, right on RiceLake.
SPEAKER_08 (10:14):
Yeah, nice spot.
Nice spot to be.
So what so glass blowing andwhat okay, what got you involved
or interested in glass blowing?
SPEAKER_07 (10:25):
I think back, I've I've always been interested in
glass.
I used to collect bottles when Iwas a little kid and keep them
on my shelf in my room.
Um but then when I got a bitolder, I started seeing more art
glass.
So paperweights and marbles andlittle glass sculptures, and I
really started collectingmarbles.
Um and then just talking to theglass blowers got me into
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blowing glass, just seeing howit was doable if I built my own
shop.
SPEAKER_08 (10:53):
So very interesting.
So um do you need to go to isthere courses, is there classes
you take in glass blowing, or isit just pick up some glass and
or move on from there or what?
SPEAKER_07 (11:04):
So most people, yes, they would go to you can go to
school for it.
I believe there's still oneschool in Ontario that offers
it, Seneca College.
Um, but most people that wentthe route I went just had some
money to put into a hobby,bought a torch, bought a kiln,
and just started melting stuffand figuring it out on their
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own.
SPEAKER_08 (11:27):
Okay, so so one of the things then, uh Trevor, are
are these glass blowers the guysthat are going around in my
recycle bin and taking the glassout of the bin?
Is that where you get your glassfrom, or where do you get your
glass from?
No.
SPEAKER_07 (11:38):
No, we uh we get our glass mostly from American
suppliers, um, and they makeborosilicate glass that I can
melt down and shape or fuse intodifferent pieces to sell.
SPEAKER_08 (11:53):
So the the the glass from you know the the the the
jar of salsa that I put in therecycle bin last night, is that
uh clear glass?
It's a clear glass.
Is that not something that canbe used?
SPEAKER_07 (12:04):
Um it it can be used.
Uh you can use it.
It's I believe that is soda limeglass.
It all depends on who'smanufacturing the jar.
Um the glass I use is calledbore silicate, and it's more in
lab wear, so it's scientificglass.
Um and also your Pyrex dishwareat home is borosilicate glass.
SPEAKER_08 (12:24):
Okay, so you you know you mentioned a couple.
Soda lime, I think you saidlime?
SPEAKER_07 (12:28):
Yes.
Yes, soda lime glass.
SPEAKER_08 (12:30):
Okay, so what is soda lime glass and what is
borosilicate?
What makes the difference intypes of glass used for this
glass blowing?
SPEAKER_07 (12:38):
Uh they all have silica.
I believe the soda lime has theaddition of soda and lime in it.
Um, it's a bit softer of aglass, it can't handle thermal
expansions and contractions aswell as borosilicate.
Which means what?
When it heats and cools, um itends up breaking.
It can't withstand the heatingand cooling.
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It ends up fracturing.
SPEAKER_08 (13:01):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_07 (13:02):
Yeah.
Where borosilicate has a lowerthermal expansion, so it can
take heating, cooling, heating,cooling at a lot faster rate and
can withstand the heating andcooling.
SPEAKER_08 (13:14):
So the glasses or the mugs that we use, um say
glasses to have a hot drink or acold drink, would that be
borosilicate?
Or is it would be uh mostly thesoda lime or is or is there
other types of glass that isused for that?
SPEAKER_07 (13:29):
It generally they would be borosilicate, and there
is a lot more borosilicate now.
If it's an older glass, it couldbe soda lime.
SPEAKER_08 (13:39):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (13:39):
Um, but I don't think there's anything really
that would distinguish.
You can use both for hot drinks.
Drinks aren't hot enough reallyto end up cracking it.
Okay.
Where you'd want, like if you'recooking with it, you'd want
borosilicate.
SPEAKER_08 (13:53):
Okay.
So when you get your glass in,is it you know, I my vision
comes in.
Okay, he's getting a pane ofglass in when you get this.
It's probably not like that.
It's probably how does it comein when you order your your
borosilicate glass to do yourwork with?
SPEAKER_07 (14:09):
When I get my borosilicate glass in, um, if
it's hollow glass, it comes inround tubes and with different
wall thicknesses and thendifferent external diameters.
Round tubes.
SPEAKER_08 (14:22):
So that would be round tubes like a straw or like
what?
SPEAKER_07 (14:24):
Like a yes, yes, like a straw, and you can go all
the way up to you know 50, 75millimeters around.
You can get really big vessels.
Okay.
Um, and then all the color wouldcome in smaller rods.
SPEAKER_08 (14:38):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (14:39):
So it's a solid rod all the way through of color.
SPEAKER_08 (14:41):
Okay.
So the these these glass rodscome in from the states.
I guess there isn't anybody inCanada that produces this kind
of stuff.
SPEAKER_07 (14:50):
Um, I don't believe there is anybody.
I I've heard through through uhsome of the glass groups I'm in
that there is a company inToronto that's gonna start doing
it, but I don't think there'sanything set yet.
Most of it comes from thestates.
Um, there's a lot coming fromChina right now, and then
Germany is a huge manufacturerof glass as well.
SPEAKER_08 (15:11):
Very interesting.
Yeah, I know uh just changedwith the uh Chaga tea from um
Chinese teabags to Germanteabags, uh the better porous
and all kind of stuff like that.
But so when they when they dothe glass, how do they make
glass in the first place?
I mean, um Monster Hunter, uhthe you know, the the big
monster came in and and theysaid, Oh, uh they turned the
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sand to glass on that show.
Um, how how do they comes fromsand?
Yes.
SPEAKER_07 (15:40):
Okay, so the silica.
SPEAKER_08 (15:41):
Okay.
So and this is a specific typeof sand?
SPEAKER_07 (15:45):
Uh yes, they they use uh specific types of sands.
Germany apparently has some ofthe best sand, and that's why a
lot of the best clear glass inthe world comes from Germany.
SPEAKER_08 (15:57):
Oh, really?
SPEAKER_07 (15:58):
Because of the type of sand that they use and they
have in that region.
SPEAKER_08 (16:01):
So when you you're thinking, and I'm what comes to
mind when I'm a because I golf,uh love getting out.
Um this there's different sandin different bunkers.
You get this almost white sandfrom the high-end courses that
import sand to be used.
Um what where do they get thissand from?
Is it like they pick it up at abeach or do they pick it where?
SPEAKER_07 (16:22):
I would so I I don't know exactly, but I'm I would
assume it is a mine.
It's it's sand that's mined.
I don't think they're just goingdown to the beach with a big
dump truck.
I don't know.
And grabbing a bunch of sand.
But again, I can't saydefinitively where they would
get it from.
SPEAKER_08 (16:38):
Now, is is is all sand can be made into glass, or
do you know?
SPEAKER_07 (16:42):
Uh I believe it can.
I I just don't think it will bebecause you're gonna have other
additives in the sand, becausethe sand is a mixture of all the
different rocks that have brokendown.
Um so yeah, I think they justhave a purer sand over there
that contains more silica and abetter silica.
SPEAKER_08 (17:01):
Oh, yeah.
Because I remember when we werekids, that was one thing we'd
always do is we'd get a magnetand we'd go into the sand and
pull the iron filings out of allthe sand as a kid.
And it was kind of neat to getthat stuff.
Is so I have no idea how much isthat contamination?
Is that part of the process?
Is that something in the sand,or uh do you know?
SPEAKER_07 (17:20):
Yeah, I they they would have to to purify the sand
for sure.
You you would want to get itdown to where you just have the
glass silica in it and no otheradditives.
Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
SPEAKER_08 (17:30):
Okay.
Interesting.
I know most people don't knowthis, but so it's each industry
has some specifics, andobviously we're going to get
into a lot more of yours withthe glass blowing and the sand
and things like that.
But a lot of people don't knowthat the the the papers.
You know how you get that highgloss paper when you get your
usually advertisements or somecompany comes in or a magazine
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that has a really high gloss?
Do you have any idea what theyput in the in the paper to make
it glossy?
No, I don't.
Most people don't.
It's clay.
unknown (18:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_08 (18:03):
So and the different qualities of clay produce
different qualities of highpaper.
So a lot of the paper companiesthat produce that look for clay
deposits that they can re theycan locate their business near
and start to produ add clay toit to produce this high-glass uh
paper.
And I had no idea until I wasactually in Sault Ste.
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Marie with Great Lakes Pulp andPaper there, and they were the
ones that kind of explained tome how that all came to be,
which I found very fascinating.
But I'm hearing the same kind ofthing with different types of
sand for different types ofglass.
Yep.
Yeah.
So so the states obviously thenumber one supplier for North
America, I guess, for glassblowers.
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Um and and so you can orderdifferent colors when you do
your when you do your specialtyproducts?
SPEAKER_07 (18:52):
Yes.
Yeah, there's uh there's a bunchof different companies that
offer different color palettes.
Um there's some of the newerones.
Uh greasy glass is a really goodone that makes some very vibrant
colors and they have likesparkly colors, matte finish
colors.
There's there's a lot to choosefrom right now.
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It's quite a bit.
SPEAKER_08 (19:14):
So I imagine somebody who's who's who's
thinking, you know, because thefirst thing that comes to mind
is these glass blowers that blowoh vases and things like that.
Uh that you, you know, it whenI'm seeing them, they you get
this kind of um molten glassthat they're they're doing
different things with.
What's the process to make saywell what's your number one
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seller?
And and what would be theprocess to to take the glass
from Raw to make it intosomething that uh retail people
want to buy?
SPEAKER_07 (19:45):
So my biggest seller is probably my marbles and my
space marbles.
That's the thing I sell the mostregularly, and I think it's
because it's so unique.
Um and I would start with a aclear piece of rod.
And then a silver coin.
I'd shave down a silver coin.
SPEAKER_08 (20:03):
What do you mean?
Like a like a quarter or a anold quarter or what?
SPEAKER_07 (20:07):
No, uh a silver coin from the mint.
Okay.
So it would be a pure silvercoin.
Right.
And I would shave it down andget some filings.
SPEAKER_08 (20:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (20:15):
And then you run a magnet over it to get any of in
case your your file broke offany pieces or you lost any
pieces off the file.
So then you just have puresilver.
And then I would melt that intomy my one clear rod I have.
So that I have silver allaffixed to the outside of the
clear rod.
Okay.
And then I hit it in front of mytorch.
(20:36):
What do you mean you hit it?
And then when I hit it.
SPEAKER_08 (20:38):
You hit it with a hammer or what?
SPEAKER_07 (20:40):
What do you mean you hit it?
Sorry.
So I would put it in front ofthe flame coming from my torch.
So that it's now the flame isnow hitting the silver that's on
the end of the clear rod.
Okay.
And then I catch it,essentially, with another rod.
So I have another rod furtherbehind it I'm holding with my
other hand.
SPEAKER_08 (20:59):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (20:59):
And that silver that's being fumed off because
it's hitting the heat and it'sgetting up to high temperature.
What kind of temperature?
Is that catching 1200 degrees?
Fahrenheit.
And it would catch and then it'scatching on the rod behind it.
So that I'm now applying silveronto the back rod.
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Um, then I once I'm done that, Itake the rod that was in the
back that's caught all thesilver now, and I put it in the
flame, heat it up a bit, andthen different tungsten tools
that I use, like a little tinyfine poke, almost like a
toothpick.
Okay.
And I can manipulate the silverthat's on the outside of that
clear glass to give it differenteffects.
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So I can start spiraling it tomake it kind of look like a
galaxy.
Or I can push it in really deepand make it kind of look like a
little wormhole, like you'd seein some space photography.
Right.
Um so then when I get the designI like on that clear rod, I then
back it with black.
Back it so that it looks yes,with a black color.
SPEAKER_08 (22:02):
Okay.
And what do you use for blackcoloring?
SPEAKER_07 (22:05):
Uh black violet from it's just the color is called
black violet.
It's just a rod of of blackblack.
SPEAKER_08 (22:12):
Okay, black glass.
Okay, got it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_07 (22:14):
Yeah.
And then I coil pot that aroundit.
A coil pot is just spinning theglass around the outside until
you've so you go around thetheir circumference and then
keep going around it until youget to the end.
Um and then that gives it whenyou're when you're looking at
it, that gives it the thespace-like effect.
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So the silver kind of looks likesparkly stars, all yellow and
blue and green.
Right.
And then it has that really nicecontrasting black background.
So then once I'm done with theblack and it's all melted in
nicely, I can pull it off of therod.
So I put it in front of thetorch and I pull it off from the
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the back side of it.
So the side that I've justcolored in black, right?
And then the other side,opposite the black, is the face
of the marble.
So then I start rounding out theface of the marble, and I do
that in a in a graphite marver.
There's a little piece ofgraphite that's uh what's a
(23:19):
marvel.
Um it's it's just a piece ofgraphite that's it's it's like a
half circle and has roundededges so that it gives you that
nice circular look on yourmarbles.
SPEAKER_05 (23:33):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (23:34):
So then I I heat it up and I keep rounding it, I
heat it up, I round it, heat itup, round it.
It takes a lot of rounding toget it perfect so that it's
actually spherical.
SPEAKER_08 (23:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (23:44):
Um and then yeah, I pull it off, I put it in the
kiln and let it sit the night,and then I have a nice piece of
art the next day.
SPEAKER_08 (23:52):
So when it it how hot is the kiln?
SPEAKER_07 (23:57):
The kiln is at 1050, so 1050 degrees, and that's what
I sit mine at, and then itstarts to ramp down very slowly
overnight.
SPEAKER_08 (24:07):
Okay.
And yeah, and and they keeptheir round shape?
SPEAKER_07 (24:12):
Yes, yes.
Okay, so if I went up anyhigher, like if I was in the
2000 degrees, you would startyou would see it start slumping
and you know, not being a marbleanymore, it would kind of just
start going down into a little alittle pile of glass at the
bottom.
SPEAKER_08 (24:28):
Okay, so now how big is this marble that you just
described that you're that thatlooks like galaxies or the what
the pillars of creation and thatsort of stuff in there?
It would be about two inches indiameter.
Okay.
unknown (24:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_08 (24:44):
And what kind of price range does something like
that retail for?
SPEAKER_07 (24:48):
Uh I sell them for anywhere from$50 to$90,
depending on what all I have inthere and what different
techniques I've done to it.
Right.
So some I do multiple techniquesand put them all together and do
like different galaxies, butI'll put like five in the same
one, where some I'll just do oneto keep it on the lower end so
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Now you attended, you youmentioned to me something that
just fascinated me that I neverheard about this.
You went to some, is it a marbleconvention in the States?
SPEAKER_07 (28:16):
Yes.
Yes, I've gone I've gone todifferent marble shows in the
States, and there is one thisweekend or next weekend, I
believe, in Toronto.
They have a marble contest aswell.
SPEAKER_08 (28:26):
Okay.
And then so some of the high-endstuff there, what what kind of
price does do do they draw andfor what size of a marble or
glass ball or whichever you wecall it?
SPEAKER_07 (28:36):
So they they would be varying, and you have people
from different fields, not justlike different glass fields.
So you would have soft glassartists.
SPEAKER_08 (28:43):
What's a okay, what's a soft glass artist?
SPEAKER_07 (28:47):
Uh soft glass artists is probably what most
people have seen, and that'swhere you're working out of a
big crucible.
Um, and if anybody's seen theNetflix show blown away, okay.
No, that would be soft glass.
SPEAKER_08 (29:01):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (29:02):
Yeah.
A lot of people, every time I'mat my booth, everybody comes up
and that's the first thing theysay.
They're like, oh, like on theNetflix show, and I have to
explain to them that there'sdifference.
SPEAKER_08 (29:11):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (29:11):
Mine's lamp working.
What I do is considered lampworking or flame working, and
theirs would be like soft glass,crucible work.
Okay.
Um, so yeah, at the at theshows, you you have a variety.
You have a lot of the lampworkers have smaller stuff
anywhere from you know one inchup to six inch marbles, and six
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inches getting fairly big.
But then you have some of thesoft glass people making a lot
bigger because they can get ituh a mass a lot hotter in their
crucibles and the glory holethat they use.
SPEAKER_08 (29:42):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (29:42):
Um so yeah, it's you have a good variety, and price
ranges are again all over.
You would probably have fromfifty into the thousands of
dollars for a marble.
SPEAKER_08 (29:55):
For a marble.
SPEAKER_07 (29:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_08 (29:57):
And this isn't the the kind of marbles that kids go
out and play with.
SPEAKER_07 (30:01):
I mean, technically it is the same kind, but these
ones are very artistic, verywell made, and more for
collecting.
SPEAKER_08 (30:10):
Okay.
So when I was a kid playingmarbles, you know, stuck the
heel in the in the dirt, and youwent back and you tried to shoot
your marble in.
What what kind of glass and uhthat was there?
And it looked like it kind ofhad almost like feathers in in a
lot of those ones.
How what is that, or or how doesthat differ from what uh you're
producing?
SPEAKER_07 (30:30):
That is just mass-produced stuff.
And I believe a lot of that camefrom China and India.
I know India is still a heavyproducer of that style of
marble, and they're all machinemade, and a lot of it's recycled
glass now, the stuff that iscoming out of India.
They're recycling bottles downand just turning them into
marbles.
SPEAKER_08 (30:47):
Oh, really?
So Yeah.
Okay, so hmm.
Yeah, interesting.
And and because I remember therewas there was alleys and
boulders, what we called them askids, the two sizes, and that
was about it.
And so is there different sizeuh things?
So what do you call a boulder orwhat do you call an alley?
Or do you have that, or do theyhave that?
SPEAKER_07 (31:06):
I don't think we're really terms.
Once you start getting into likethe art glass marbles, you're
more about the diameter of whatit is, is what people are
referencing.
And I I don't think there's anyunique names made up for that.
SPEAKER_08 (31:18):
Okay.
And so and and a lot of peoplepick these up, or there's
collectors of these sort ofthings.
SPEAKER_07 (31:23):
Yeah, there is quite a bit of collectors.
I myself am a collector, so Ihave a lot of marbles from a lot
of different artists.
Um, but yeah, there's it, it'sit was shocking when I went to
the first show because I went asa collector before I even
started blowing glass and justseeing the amount of people that
not only make the marbles, butare also pretty big collectors
(31:43):
of the marbles and have, youknow, a few thousand dollar
collections of just marbles on ashelf.
SPEAKER_08 (31:49):
Really?
unknown (31:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_08 (31:51):
And so now uh a lot of the other do they I don't
know, is there specialty kind ofones that uh people make up that
have uh um I I don't know, likeuh the the the snow globes and
stuff like that.
Is that something that fallswithin your purview of industry
or is that something different?
SPEAKER_07 (32:10):
Or there are some people who have who have made
snow globes.
I don't think it's somethinghuge um for like lamp workers to
make.
I think it's more that's evenmore niche than say um marbles
are.
But uh there I've definitelyseen a few glass blowers make
them.
I just think the the cost onthem would be so expensive that
(32:32):
people would be more off just togo buy, you know, uh a snow
globe from a mass-produced snowglobe at Walmart or something.
SPEAKER_08 (32:40):
So so when you buy your glass, what is it very
expensive to like what are welooking at?
If somebody was listening to thepodcast and said, you know, I
might be interested in tryingthat, yeah.
What did people need and whatkind of outlay financially do
people need and and to getstarted?
And how long does it take beforeyou can start to produce
something that looks, you know,relatively relatively
(33:02):
respectable?
SPEAKER_07 (33:04):
Um so glass, when you're buying colored glass, you
can there's a bunch of differentoptions.
You have China glass, which isthe very low end of it.
Um you can go up to theAmerican-made glass, which is a
lot better quality, it's it's alot more workable and more
consistent in the way it'sproduced.
And a pound of glass, I wouldsay a Chinese pound of glass
(33:25):
would be about twenty dollars apound.
Okay, and then you're going upto the American-made high end,
you can go up to probably twoeighty, I think is what I saw
last for a brand new pound ofglass.
Oh, I generally try to stick inthe lower end of that because I
I I don't use a lot of colors.
(33:46):
I mainly use black and thensilver coins.
So I I try to be around theeighty dollar to a hundred and
twenty dollar a pound for thecolor I buy.
SPEAKER_08 (33:55):
Right.
So can you buy the cheap uhChinese stuff and blend it with
the American stuff and get amixture that's good quality?
You can for sure.
SPEAKER_07 (34:04):
Yeah.
And I believe there was a couplecolor companies that were doing
that.
They were buying the the rawglass from China and then mixing
it down and just making it moreconsistent and then re-pulling
it in America.
SPEAKER_08 (34:15):
Oh, really?
So and but uh as you mentioned,in India they were using a lot
of recycled glass.
SPEAKER_07 (34:22):
Yeah, that was for the marbles, and I I I watched a
whole documentary on that wherethey were just taking the
bottles, breaking them down,putting them in a big furnace,
melting it, and then putting itinto this machine that was just
making the marbles.
It was just like spiraling themaround like a corkscrew.
Right.
And then at the end it justdrops them into a little bin and
they were making tons ofmarbles.
SPEAKER_08 (34:44):
So the um the that glass industry, you know, when
they recycle glass, um and itwas the same for you know, when
growing up those stubby beerbottle kind of things, they
always reuse those.
Is there's some kind of specialglass that they use in bottles
that they recycle them and reusethem over and over again, or
wine bottles?
Those are the ones that come tomind.
(35:05):
Or what happens with the glass,or do you know what happens with
the glass that goes through therecycle system that's here?
SPEAKER_07 (35:10):
So oddly enough, I do know because I worked at the
beer store uh when I was incollege, and it was the beer
store warehouse, not like thebeer store storefront.
Um, and they separate it bycolor there, right?
So the brown bottles all wentinto one big area, the green
bottles went into another area,then clear bottles into another
area.
Right.
And I believe that was thedifferences that they had for
(35:33):
their glass was clear, thegreen, and the brown.
Okay, and then they wouldre-melt all the broken ones
down.
A lot of them were just washedand reused.
SPEAKER_08 (35:42):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (35:43):
Um, but now I think it's mostly melting them and
then re-blowing them and thenusing them again.
SPEAKER_08 (35:48):
Oh, really?
So now I recall uh somebody oncetelling me that um there was
little marks on the beer bottlesthat said how many times it was
gone through the system.
I is that yeah.
What so what is that?
SPEAKER_07 (36:03):
And that's so I that's why I don't think they do
it that way anymore.
Right.
Because I I have a couple reallyold beer bottles, and you can
tell they have like the littlescratches and rolls on them as
well around the circumference,and you can tell that they've
gone through the the therepurposing process many times.
SPEAKER_08 (36:20):
Oh, okay.
Oh, interesting.
So, yeah, so it's it's justinteresting to find out about
recycling a lot of thesecomponents and how it's put back
in.
And and so a lot a lot of theglass that goes through just I
don't even know what happens toit.
I know.
My first house, which was afamily house that I bought,
beside it was a uh WalterBaumeister, bless his soul, a
(36:44):
friend, that when he went in toput in a basement and redo, they
started digging there, and theyfound huge quantities, like four
feet of glass that they werejust had thrown out.
It was a a place that was aglass dump, basically.
Huh.
Yeah, which I'd never heard ofor seen, but I remember Walter
telling me, he says, Yeah, wehad just they had so much glass
(37:07):
down there we didn't know whatwhat was going on, but it
obviously was an old glass site,uh dump site of some kind where
they just threw the the oldglass and now it's being reused
and repurposed, which is good, Ibelieve.
SPEAKER_07 (37:19):
Yeah.
No, that isn't easy.
They um there's also a placevery similar to that in
California.
I believe it's around the FortBragg area, and it's called
Glass Beach.
And it's where they used to justdump all the old glass.
SPEAKER_08 (37:33):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (37:33):
And now it's just like a whole beach of beach
glass.
Usually when you walk down thebeach, you'll see a bunch of
sand and rocks, and you'll belike, oh, there's a nice piece
of beach glass.
This whole beach is beach glass.
Oh, really?
It's it's wild.
Yeah, it's really neat.
You gotta look it up.
SPEAKER_08 (37:47):
Uh so you gotta watch.
Oh, there's a sharp one.
You know what you don't want tobe walking on any of that.
SPEAKER_07 (37:53):
I I think it's so old that it's there isn't much
sharp stuff left.
It's a it's it's uh adecommissioned dump site where
they used to dump it.
So I believe it's now inside theboundaries of a state park, and
a lot of people go there andvisit it and look at it.
But yeah, if you just look upGlass Beach, California, you'll
you'll find it on Google forsure.
And it's it looks so beautiful.
(38:15):
It's it's wild seeing it.
SPEAKER_08 (38:16):
Oh, that sounds different.
But tell us what other kind ofproducts do you do you produce
besides these specialty marbles?
SPEAKER_07 (38:24):
Uh other than marbles, I do lots of wearables,
so a lot of pendants.
Um, and that's just differentshapes.
I do leaf pendants and littlemushroom pendants.
I do some space pendants aswell, the little space scenes a
lot smaller.
Um, and then I do ornaments,it's really big right now.
I've been selling lots of glassChristmas ornaments this year.
(38:45):
Okay.
Um, I do straws, I do stirsticks, earrings, and more
wearables.
I do little tiny earrings insidea sterling silver loop to go in
your ear.
Okay.
Um what else do I do?
SPEAKER_08 (39:02):
Come on, this is a chance for you to do your
specialty plug.
We're leading up to one specialone that I was hoping you'd
bring up.
SPEAKER_07 (39:09):
I I do paperweights as well.
Lots of paperweights.
Um trying to think.
I'm trying to I'm trying to goover my boots.
SPEAKER_08 (39:17):
Okay, so what is the one where people put special
things that they carry with themin the glass?
SPEAKER_07 (39:24):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I get what one you're leading meto.
Yeah.
I do uh that that's more of acustom service, but that's uh
Memorial Ash glass pendants.
Okay.
What?
And marble.
SPEAKER_08 (39:34):
What does that mean and what's involved in that?
SPEAKER_07 (39:37):
So when one of your loved ones passes away, either a
a human family member or friendor uh a pet, and they get
cremated, I can take thosecremations and put them inside
glass.
SPEAKER_08 (39:51):
And you can identify it's not just blended all in, so
it's kind of cloudy glass.
It's it looks like somethingspecial.
You can see the ashes.
SPEAKER_07 (39:58):
The ashes look identical to.
What they look like when they'rein the jar.
SPEAKER_08 (40:02):
Okay.
And so and so what size is thissort of thing, or uh what do
people do with it and how dothey do anything with it?
It's like a pocket thing thatthey carry around, is it not?
SPEAKER_07 (40:13):
Some are.
So I do some wearables becausethere are people who want to
wear and carry their loved onesaround all the time.
So I do some little pendants,some little teardrop pendants
with ashes in it, and then Iback it with a nice dark color
so you get a good contrastbetween uh the loved ones' ashes
and and the the piece you'rewearing.
SPEAKER_08 (40:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (40:32):
And I also do the marbles.
The marbles have been reallypopular this last year.
A lot of people seem to wantsomething to put on their shelf
and to look at.
So the marbles come with alittle stand, and you know, it's
just you can see your lovedone's ashes, and it takes up a
lot less room than an urn.
And it's it's I think the act ofphysically seeing the ashes is
(40:54):
very nice for people if peoplewant to see them because it's
like seeing your loved onesstill in their head, I guess.
SPEAKER_08 (40:59):
Well, yeah, I know.
Um, but we're not talking largevolumes of ashes that go into
these glasses.
It's about we're talking aboutthe size of uh what a uh a uh a
glass juice um uh container, youknow, about that size?
Uh about what?
SPEAKER_07 (41:16):
It's it's tiny.
It's the amount that you wouldgive me is like one eighth of a
teaspoon that I would end upputting in.
SPEAKER_08 (41:25):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (41:26):
But it looks like a lot because you have that
rounded front side and it reallymagnifies the ashes.
But it's a very thin layer thatgoes right through the middle of
the glass.
SPEAKER_08 (41:35):
Yeah, I was with somebody yesterday whose uh wife
uh uh their their uh loved uhpet, their dog passed away
several months ago and and uhstill having difficulty getting
over it.
So I think something like thatto to kind of carry around, to
look at, to think about would besomething that people would
appreciate it.
And and how's that going over?
And how did you find out orstart about that?
SPEAKER_07 (41:57):
So I I kind of have heard about it.
I've I've been doing glassblowing for about 12 years, so I
I kind of heard about it in thebeginning of my glass blowing
adventure, but then when my aunthad passed away, my dad was
looking at getting some stuffmade for his his brothers and
sisters, and they were gonna getsomething made and it was made
out of resin.
And it looked similar to what Ido, but he just didn't really
(42:18):
like the idea of resin and askedme if I could do it in glass.
And I hadn't even thought aboutoffering that service.
So I I made him a bunch of themand then started selling them at
the or not selling them,offering them the service at
markets, and it's it's been ahit.
It's been really good, actually.
SPEAKER_08 (42:35):
Very interesting.
I know, because uh when myfather passed away, bless his
soul, um got some ashes from uhfrom my father.
And actually we we we buriedthose.
We have what we call a spiritwatch in the bush.
And uh it's up uh where wepicked Chaga, and there's a
there's a hill up there wheretwo trails meet, and we have uh,
(42:58):
I don't know, maybe 10, 12 umdifferent souls that have been
uh some sort of of aspect andashes placed up there.
And uh something like this wouldbe certainly something a little
bit different that uh you knowif you if you wanted to to move
things around or plant put themsomewhere, it would be a a nice
way to be able to put them at aspirit watcher in some sort of a
(43:21):
form like that.
No, for sure.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_07 (43:23):
And I I had a a lady this past weekend that said her
mother had just passed away andher father had passed away many
years before that, but shewanted to know if I could put
their ashes together and thenthey would be sealed in
something, like a nice littleglass marble for eternity.
Right.
So and yeah, that's that'ssomething you can do for sure.
So but I just thought that theidea was nice because their
(43:45):
parents were together for solong and they wanted them to
still be together after death,which I I thought was very nice.
SPEAKER_08 (43:51):
And what kind of uh retail price uh does stuff like
that uh start and what isarranged for something like that
to get done?
SPEAKER_07 (43:59):
Uh it all starts at sixty dollars.
So that's what I offer for mybasic, and that's just the ashes
in either a pendant or a marblewith a single color backing.
Um and then really, if anything,the sky's the limit, really.
I mean, you can ask me to makewhatever, and we can put it in a
heart shape, we can dopaperweights.
(44:19):
I've had people that wanted suncatchers because they wanted to
hang them out on their porch.
Right.
So so yeah, the ashes can gointo anything that that I make
already.
Um but mostly is the wearablesand the marbles.
That's what I most get requestsfor.
SPEAKER_08 (44:35):
So when you say suncatcher, what's a suncatcher?
SPEAKER_07 (44:39):
It's a little piece of glass, probably I don't know,
about 10 inches long, that'sspiraling down, and the the
different angles on the flatpiece of glass catch the light.
Okay.
And it's just like a little suncatcher that people would hang
out on their porch or theirveranda.
SPEAKER_08 (44:59):
Interesting.
And and so you so you make suncatchers, you do these specialty
ones, you've got quite a bit ofother stuff.
And what other sorts of things,Trevor, do you do you kind of uh
make or specialize in in theglass?
SPEAKER_07 (45:12):
Um I I do uh I'm trying to think how at my booth.
I I was just doing my booth thisweekend.
Um there's also stuff forsmokables, so I do make pipes as
well.
Okay.
Um I don't sell as many of thoseas I do the marbles or anything
else, but I I do also makepipes.
(45:33):
Right.
Glass pipes.
Um interesting.
Yeah, I don't think there's muchelse.
I think I I said everything thatI I make.
SPEAKER_08 (45:42):
So, and one other now you have something else
though that uh I had somediscussions with uh a different
line that has a different booththat you have that uh we can
just briefly go into.
But you you do uh 3D printing aswell?
SPEAKER_07 (45:55):
Yes.
So we just started doing the 3Dprinting.
Um and we figured since we're atthe markets anyways, it's
something I have a mild interestin that we could just get two
booths at every market now andthen set up a 3D print booth and
a glass booth side by side.
And it's it's been going good.
It's been going really good.
It's fun.
SPEAKER_08 (46:13):
So can you take a picture and make a 3D image of,
say, my son holding a muskie?
SPEAKER_07 (46:19):
A hundred percent.
It's really it's very doable.
It's called HueForge.
Is it that technique of doingit?
Right.
And um yeah, it's basicallytaking pictures and printing
them at different layer heights,and then when you hold it up to
the light, depending on what thelayer height is, gives the
different shading in the image.
SPEAKER_08 (46:38):
Okay, so yeah, because I know that once upon a
time you could get a abobblehead in your own image.
Yes.
Um, but now I'm seeing thesethese I just happened to be
looking uh through uh one of thesocial media platforms last
night, and lo and behold, theyhad all these images of people
holding, you know, fish andthings like that.
And and I was quite surprisedand I thought, boy, that would
be an interesting thing and besomething nice to have for for
(47:00):
Christmas.
And that is that something thatyou're getting requests for yet?
SPEAKER_07 (47:03):
Yes, yeah, I've done a few of those already.
Uh my wife also does weddingphotography, so we have a couple
of the customers from her umthat wanted some of their
pictures put into the the 3Dprint so that they can have it
sitting on a windowsill orhanging on a wall.
SPEAKER_08 (47:18):
Oh yeah, interesting.
Yeah, and so and the 3Dprinting, it it's uh pretty
popular when you take it toevents.
SPEAKER_07 (47:24):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, it's honestly it's it'sslightly upsetting, but it seems
to be a little bit more popularthan the glasses right now.
But I think it's because it's sonew.
Right.
And and a lot of kids come tothe market and the kids are so
fascinated with it.
I I do make a uh a decent amountof toys, so the kids love that.
SPEAKER_08 (47:42):
Yeah, I know that uh um I was with somebody, uh
Dominic, and he's rebuilding a1972 Owls 442, and they can't
get some parts to it.
So I suggested to him, I said,you know, what about these 3D
printing of parts that I'mhearing about?
Is that something uh you know hesaid, you know something that
(48:03):
might work.
But uh I understand that thereare some people out there
producing parts because he had a72 Owls 442 and a 69 Firebird
that they were looking forspecialty parts, but 3D printing
in those areas might besomething of uh interest that uh
they can fill that void.
SPEAKER_07 (48:19):
Oh, for sure.
You can totally do that.
And if you have an existing parttoo, they sell scanners, lidar
scanners that are held handheld,and you can replicate existing
parts.
Or even say if you're a sculptorand you do a bunch of
sculptures, you can scan thatsculpture and reproduce it in a
3D print.
SPEAKER_08 (48:38):
And so what are these prints made out of?
SPEAKER_07 (48:41):
Mostly plastic.
Um PLA is the common one, andthat's polylactic acid, and it's
derived from corn sugars.
SPEAKER_08 (48:48):
Okay.
Interesting.
SPEAKER_07 (48:50):
Um, but then they have other types as well.
They have ABS, um, you can havePLA mixed with carbon fiber, you
can have PLA mixed with woodfibers to give it a more wood
look.
SPEAKER_08 (49:02):
Oh yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Well, I very much appreciate youtaking the time to be on the the
podcast, uh, Trevor.
Where can people get in touchwith you, or where can they see
your products, or where can theylike where where you got shows
coming up, uh, and I'll mindyou, uh the this will be on
forever and a day, or are howcan people find out more details
(49:22):
and see your products?
SPEAKER_07 (49:24):
The easiest way to find my stuff is on Instagram.
I've been using Instagram sinceit came out, um, and that's just
frequency.glass on Instagram.
I'm also frequency.glass onFacebook as well.
SPEAKER_08 (49:39):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (49:39):
Those are the two easiest ways to look at my stuff
and get a hold of me.
And I do on Instagram, all of myshows get posted.
So if I have an upcoming show, Iusually post about it a month
before, and then the weekleading up to it, I'll do a
couple posts and then the day ofas well.
I post what shows I've had.
SPEAKER_08 (49:55):
Well, very good.
Well, I appreciate you takingthe time and enlightening us.
I certainly learned a lot aboutuh a field that I I see you at
the markets and and uh we talk abit, but uh I didn't know a heck
of a lot about uh your glassblowing uh profession and all
the the work that's involved andwhat takes place, but I think a
lot of our listeners havelearned quite a bit as I have,
(50:16):
and really appreciate you beingon the on the podcast, Trevor.
SPEAKER_07 (50:19):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
It was it was fun.
SPEAKER_08 (50:21):
Yeah, well, this is a little bit something different
uh uh outside the norm of whatwe normally find out there under
the canopy.
Thanks, Trevor.
Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER_11 (51:09):
But this podcast will be more than that.
Every week on Diaries of a LodgeOwner, I'm going to introduce
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Share their stories of ourtrials, tribulations, and
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My hands get sore a little bit when I'm reeling in
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SPEAKER_11 (51:43):
You so confidently said, Hey Pat, have you ever
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We'll do what we can to get themon.
Takes a bit of time, research tomake it happen, but we certainly
do.
And I gotta tell you, it was uma usual morning where Gunner
(03:08):
gets up and I'm I'm trying toget a sliver out of my finger,
and and the chocolate lab uhwalks up and right between me in
the sink, which you know whatthat means, means he wants his
teeth brushed.
And so sure enough, get thetoothbrush out.
And it's a bit of a differenttype of toothbrush.
I haven't seen too many of thesearound anymore, but if I do,
(03:28):
I'll pick up another one.
It's kind of a three-sided onewhere the uh the the support
leaves on it uh kind of spreadout.
So it's not just a normaltoothbrush that that we as
humans use, but it's a bit of adifferent one anyway.
So he got his teeth brushed, andand it's that time of year again
where out shoveling the snow,and I gotta tell you a couple
(03:50):
things.
When shoveling the snow, it it'stough, especially when the the
boys are helping out and doingme a big favor, they throw it
right beside the driveway.
And as the snow comes, and itlooks like there's going to be a
pile of it this year, uh,Pierre, my buddy, who's been on
a couple of times on the podcastup north, in 24 hours he got
about 18 inches of snow up wherethey are, up uh west of Timmins,
(04:14):
deep in the bush there.
But uh so a fair bit, and whenyou throw the snow right beside
the driveway, the pile getspretty big and you have to throw
it over later on.
And when you get that wet, heavysnow makes it tough.
So I always throw the firstbatches as far as I can to get
them away.
Now, one of the other tricksthat I showed a lot of the
neighbors that a lot of all theneighbors do it now.
(04:35):
Actually, there's two tricks.
Um, before the snow, one of thethings is I was out with the
recycle bin.
It was seven o'clock, six thirtyin the morning, sort of thing,
and I hear this crash down theroad, and I look over down the
road, and there's a raccoon.
And the raccoon's going along,pushing over the recycle bins,
getting into them because theypop open.
(04:56):
But so what we do is we lay therecycle bin down, and the reason
we do that is because raccoonscan't push it over to get it to
pop open.
So it keeps the garbage and allthe recycle materials, the this
is the uh organic stuff, thefood waste stuff, and it just
works great.
But the other thing is whenwe're shoveling the snow, I know
(05:18):
the route that the snow plowtakes, and I shovel about 25-30
feet of the roadway to clear itso it doesn't pile so when the
plow goes by, it doesn't pile upon my driveway.
At the end of the driveway,where you get that huge mound of
snow makes it so tough.
So what I do is I take one swipeand I throw that snow up on the
(05:41):
lawn, and then the rest of it Ipush out towards uh on when I'm
walking back, I push it outtowards the middle, and it stops
the end of the driveway fromgetting this huge bank of snow
every time the snow plow goesby.
And now everybody's doing it, soeverybody with their snowblowers
do it does a double pass downand clears that out to make it a
lot easier, which is kind ofnice.
(06:02):
Some of the other stuff thoughis that you know, I got the
boots out and it just drives mecrazy.
Round laces.
I don't know why, but they donot stay tied unless you do a
double loop.
You know, you do your normal oneand then I do a another
tightening loop.
But those round laces, I don'tknow who came up with the idea,
(06:23):
whether it's for cosmetics orlooks or whatever, but they
don't work like the flat lacesused to do very well, in my
opinion, at all.
Some of the other stuff was thatI got the insert that we talked
about, and I have not had thefurnace on the entire month.
It was minus it was about minuseight, minus nine last night, so
it may have been a little bitcolder than that, but the house
(06:44):
was toasty warm.
Actually, it's warmer now withthat wood stove going, and all I
do is I turn on the fan and thefurnace to circulate the air
through the house, and it heatsthe whole house because the the
wood insert has these blowers onit that work great, but it only
heats kind of like the theimmediate area around, which is
quite frankly the the uh theliving room, kitchen, dining
(07:08):
room area.
But to get it into the bedroomsand the bathroom, I turn the
fans on and it works great.
But the big problem I have withuh the insert is there's so much
ashes, well, mostly hot coals.
So the hot coals in there take along time to to get down to a to
an ash.
But uh so I'm trying to figureout what to do with hot coals.
(07:29):
And if anybody has anysuggestions, let me know.
I turn the I open the insertwide open to give it lots of air
to try and get those coals downbecause it seems to be the
flame.
And the coals do give off a lotof heat.
But when I like to stoke it upat night, I put about uh four,
maybe about four pieces of of uhsix-inch round um kind of logs
(07:49):
in there and that lasts prettymuch the whole night.
But when you get up in themorning, it's just filled with
coals, which is still okay, butI like to keep the fire going
because the coals kind of have atendency to pile up.
So any suggestions there.
And one other thing is that I'vegot to tell you, I'm I'm driving
a four-wheel drive vehicle now.
And my last couple of vehicles,well, actually uh let me see,
(08:12):
three back and four back.
I had a uh a Yukon that hadfour-wheel drive.
And then I got that one kind ofaged out because I usually put
uh quite a few kilometers, mileson it.
Then I got another one, but thenext one had all-wheel drive.
And the four-wheel drive ongreasy days, snowy days like
this, when you come around thecorner and you give it a little
(08:33):
gas, it cranks sideways andthings like that.
That all-wheel drive, though, inthat Yukon, I come around the
corner and put the foot down tosee, and it would not swerve,
slide sideways any which way atall, go as straight as a dime.
So I find it works really,really good.
As long as you got good tires,course in this kind of weather,
(08:53):
it makes a big difference.
It helps out a lot.
And this morning I brought in uhthe new special that uh here for
the gang, uh the new Chaga Minttea, which is going over great,
and I gotta tell you, I'm reallyenjoying it too, and it seems to
be really popular at the eventsI'm attending.
But we're not here to talk aboutall that stuff today, although
(09:14):
it's nice to bring it up once ina while.
But I've got a guest on todaythat kind of surprised you.
It's something I found veryinteresting, and it's Trevor
Logan, and Trevor does somethingunique that uh he shows up at
the farmers markets with.
Welcome to the podcast, Trevor.
SPEAKER_07 (09:31):
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_08 (09:32):
No problem.
So tell us uh tell us aboutwhat's your specialty that draw
you drew you to my podcast.
SPEAKER_07 (09:40):
Uh glass blowing.
I I do flame working, lampworking, and um, I believe it
was the space marbles thatreally attracted you to my
booth.
SPEAKER_08 (09:48):
Okay, so glass blowing.
So uh first of all, where aboutyou located to our international
listeners?
Because uh Trevor, we've gotlisteners all across Canada,
through the States, throughSwitzerland, uh Ghana, all
through the Caribbean as well.
Where about you located fromToronto, say?
SPEAKER_07 (10:04):
I'm uh east of Toronto, about an hour and 45
minutes in Butley, Ontario.
Right on Rice Lake, sir.
Right on yeah, right on RiceLake.
SPEAKER_08 (10:14):
Yeah, nice spot.
Nice spot to be.
So what so glass blowing andwhat okay, what got you involved
or interested in glass blowing?
SPEAKER_07 (10:25):
I think back, I've I've always been interested in
glass.
I used to collect bottles when Iwas a little kid and keep them
on my shelf in my room.
Um but then when I got a bitolder, I started seeing more art
glass.
So paperweights and marbles andlittle glass sculptures, and I
really started collectingmarbles.
Um and then just talking to theglass blowers got me into
(10:47):
blowing glass, just seeing howit was doable if I built my own
shop.
SPEAKER_08 (10:53):
So very interesting.
So um do you need to go to isthere courses, is there classes
you take in glass blowing, or isit just pick up some glass and
or move on from there or what?
SPEAKER_07 (11:04):
So most people, yes, they would go to you can go to
school for it.
I believe there's still oneschool in Ontario that offers
it, Seneca College.
Um, but most people that wentthe route I went just had some
money to put into a hobby,bought a torch, bought a kiln,
and just started melting stuffand figuring it out on their
(11:26):
own.
SPEAKER_08 (11:27):
Okay, so so one of the things then, uh Trevor, are
are these glass blowers the guysthat are going around in my
recycle bin and taking the glassout of the bin?
Is that where you get your glassfrom, or where do you get your
glass from?
No.
SPEAKER_07 (11:38):
No, we uh we get our glass mostly from American
suppliers, um, and they makeborosilicate glass that I can
melt down and shape or fuse intodifferent pieces to sell.
SPEAKER_08 (11:53):
So the the the glass from you know the the the the
jar of salsa that I put in therecycle bin last night, is that
uh clear glass?
It's a clear glass.
Is that not something that canbe used?
SPEAKER_07 (12:04):
Um it it can be used.
Uh you can use it.
It's I believe that is soda limeglass.
It all depends on who'smanufacturing the jar.
Um the glass I use is calledbore silicate, and it's more in
lab wear, so it's scientificglass.
Um and also your Pyrex dishwareat home is borosilicate glass.
SPEAKER_08 (12:24):
Okay, so you you know you mentioned a couple.
Soda lime, I think you saidlime?
SPEAKER_07 (12:28):
Yes.
Yes, soda lime glass.
SPEAKER_08 (12:30):
Okay, so what is soda lime glass and what is
borosilicate?
What makes the difference intypes of glass used for this
glass blowing?
SPEAKER_07 (12:38):
Uh they all have silica.
I believe the soda lime has theaddition of soda and lime in it.
Um, it's a bit softer of aglass, it can't handle thermal
expansions and contractions aswell as borosilicate.
Which means what?
When it heats and cools, um itends up breaking.
It can't withstand the heatingand cooling.
(13:00):
It ends up fracturing.
SPEAKER_08 (13:01):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_07 (13:02):
Yeah.
Where borosilicate has a lowerthermal expansion, so it can
take heating, cooling, heating,cooling at a lot faster rate and
can withstand the heating andcooling.
SPEAKER_08 (13:14):
So the glasses or the mugs that we use, um say
glasses to have a hot drink or acold drink, would that be
borosilicate?
Or is it would be uh mostly thesoda lime or is or is there
other types of glass that isused for that?
SPEAKER_07 (13:29):
It generally they would be borosilicate, and there
is a lot more borosilicate now.
If it's an older glass, it couldbe soda lime.
SPEAKER_08 (13:39):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (13:39):
Um, but I don't think there's anything really
that would distinguish.
You can use both for hot drinks.
Drinks aren't hot enough reallyto end up cracking it.
Okay.
Where you'd want, like if you'recooking with it, you'd want
borosilicate.
SPEAKER_08 (13:53):
Okay.
So when you get your glass in,is it you know, I my vision
comes in.
Okay, he's getting a pane ofglass in when you get this.
It's probably not like that.
It's probably how does it comein when you order your your
borosilicate glass to do yourwork with?
SPEAKER_07 (14:09):
When I get my borosilicate glass in, um, if
it's hollow glass, it comes inround tubes and with different
wall thicknesses and thendifferent external diameters.
Round tubes.
SPEAKER_08 (14:22):
So that would be round tubes like a straw or like
what?
SPEAKER_07 (14:24):
Like a yes, yes, like a straw, and you can go all
the way up to you know 50, 75millimeters around.
You can get really big vessels.
Okay.
Um, and then all the color wouldcome in smaller rods.
SPEAKER_08 (14:38):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (14:39):
So it's a solid rod all the way through of color.
SPEAKER_08 (14:41):
Okay.
So the these these glass rodscome in from the states.
I guess there isn't anybody inCanada that produces this kind
of stuff.
SPEAKER_07 (14:50):
Um, I don't believe there is anybody.
I I've heard through through uhsome of the glass groups I'm in
that there is a company inToronto that's gonna start doing
it, but I don't think there'sanything set yet.
Most of it comes from thestates.
Um, there's a lot coming fromChina right now, and then
Germany is a huge manufacturerof glass as well.
SPEAKER_08 (15:11):
Very interesting.
Yeah, I know uh just changedwith the uh Chaga tea from um
Chinese teabags to Germanteabags, uh the better porous
and all kind of stuff like that.
But so when they when they dothe glass, how do they make
glass in the first place?
I mean, um Monster Hunter, uhthe you know, the the big
monster came in and and theysaid, Oh, uh they turned the
(15:33):
sand to glass on that show.
Um, how how do they comes fromsand?
Yes.
SPEAKER_07 (15:40):
Okay, so the silica.
SPEAKER_08 (15:41):
Okay.
So and this is a specific typeof sand?
SPEAKER_07 (15:45):
Uh yes, they they use uh specific types of sands.
Germany apparently has some ofthe best sand, and that's why a
lot of the best clear glass inthe world comes from Germany.
SPEAKER_08 (15:57):
Oh, really?
SPEAKER_07 (15:58):
Because of the type of sand that they use and they
have in that region.
SPEAKER_08 (16:01):
So when you you're thinking, and I'm what comes to
mind when I'm a because I golf,uh love getting out.
Um this there's different sandin different bunkers.
You get this almost white sandfrom the high-end courses that
import sand to be used.
Um what where do they get thissand from?
Is it like they pick it up at abeach or do they pick it where?
SPEAKER_07 (16:22):
I would so I I don't know exactly, but I'm I would
assume it is a mine.
It's it's sand that's mined.
I don't think they're just goingdown to the beach with a big
dump truck.
I don't know.
And grabbing a bunch of sand.
But again, I can't saydefinitively where they would
get it from.
SPEAKER_08 (16:38):
Now, is is is all sand can be made into glass, or
do you know?
SPEAKER_07 (16:42):
Uh I believe it can.
I I just don't think it will bebecause you're gonna have other
additives in the sand, becausethe sand is a mixture of all the
different rocks that have brokendown.
Um so yeah, I think they justhave a purer sand over there
that contains more silica and abetter silica.
SPEAKER_08 (17:01):
Oh, yeah.
Because I remember when we werekids, that was one thing we'd
always do is we'd get a magnetand we'd go into the sand and
pull the iron filings out of allthe sand as a kid.
And it was kind of neat to getthat stuff.
Is so I have no idea how much isthat contamination?
Is that part of the process?
Is that something in the sand,or uh do you know?
SPEAKER_07 (17:20):
Yeah, I they they would have to to purify the sand
for sure.
You you would want to get itdown to where you just have the
glass silica in it and no otheradditives.
Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
SPEAKER_08 (17:30):
Okay.
Interesting.
I know most people don't knowthis, but so it's each industry
has some specifics, andobviously we're going to get
into a lot more of yours withthe glass blowing and the sand
and things like that.
But a lot of people don't knowthat the the the papers.
You know how you get that highgloss paper when you get your
usually advertisements or somecompany comes in or a magazine
(17:52):
that has a really high gloss?
Do you have any idea what theyput in the in the paper to make
it glossy?
No, I don't.
Most people don't.
It's clay.
unknown (18:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_08 (18:03):
So and the different qualities of clay produce
different qualities of highpaper.
So a lot of the paper companiesthat produce that look for clay
deposits that they can re theycan locate their business near
and start to produ add clay toit to produce this high-glass uh
paper.
And I had no idea until I wasactually in Sault Ste.
(18:24):
Marie with Great Lakes Pulp andPaper there, and they were the
ones that kind of explained tome how that all came to be,
which I found very fascinating.
But I'm hearing the same kind ofthing with different types of
sand for different types ofglass.
Yep.
Yeah.
So so the states obviously thenumber one supplier for North
America, I guess, for glassblowers.
(18:44):
Um and and so you can orderdifferent colors when you do
your when you do your specialtyproducts?
SPEAKER_07 (18:52):
Yes.
Yeah, there's uh there's a bunchof different companies that
offer different color palettes.
Um there's some of the newerones.
Uh greasy glass is a really goodone that makes some very vibrant
colors and they have likesparkly colors, matte finish
colors.
There's there's a lot to choosefrom right now.
(19:13):
It's quite a bit.
SPEAKER_08 (19:14):
So I imagine somebody who's who's who's
thinking, you know, because thefirst thing that comes to mind
is these glass blowers that blowoh vases and things like that.
Uh that you, you know, it whenI'm seeing them, they you get
this kind of um molten glassthat they're they're doing
different things with.
What's the process to make saywell what's your number one
(19:36):
seller?
And and what would be theprocess to to take the glass
from Raw to make it intosomething that uh retail people
want to buy?
SPEAKER_07 (19:45):
So my biggest seller is probably my marbles and my
space marbles.
That's the thing I sell the mostregularly, and I think it's
because it's so unique.
Um and I would start with a aclear piece of rod.
And then a silver coin.
I'd shave down a silver coin.
SPEAKER_08 (20:03):
What do you mean?
Like a like a quarter or a anold quarter or what?
SPEAKER_07 (20:07):
No, uh a silver coin from the mint.
Okay.
So it would be a pure silvercoin.
Right.
And I would shave it down andget some filings.
SPEAKER_08 (20:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (20:15):
And then you run a magnet over it to get any of in
case your your file broke offany pieces or you lost any
pieces off the file.
So then you just have puresilver.
And then I would melt that intomy my one clear rod I have.
So that I have silver allaffixed to the outside of the
clear rod.
Okay.
And then I hit it in front of mytorch.
(20:36):
What do you mean you hit it?
And then when I hit it.
SPEAKER_08 (20:38):
You hit it with a hammer or what?
SPEAKER_07 (20:40):
What do you mean you hit it?
Sorry.
So I would put it in front ofthe flame coming from my torch.
So that it's now the flame isnow hitting the silver that's on
the end of the clear rod.
Okay.
And then I catch it,essentially, with another rod.
So I have another rod furtherbehind it I'm holding with my
other hand.
SPEAKER_08 (20:59):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (20:59):
And that silver that's being fumed off because
it's hitting the heat and it'sgetting up to high temperature.
What kind of temperature?
Is that catching 1200 degrees?
Fahrenheit.
And it would catch and then it'scatching on the rod behind it.
So that I'm now applying silveronto the back rod.
(21:20):
Um, then I once I'm done that, Itake the rod that was in the
back that's caught all thesilver now, and I put it in the
flame, heat it up a bit, andthen different tungsten tools
that I use, like a little tinyfine poke, almost like a
toothpick.
Okay.
And I can manipulate the silverthat's on the outside of that
clear glass to give it differenteffects.
(21:42):
So I can start spiraling it tomake it kind of look like a
galaxy.
Or I can push it in really deepand make it kind of look like a
little wormhole, like you'd seein some space photography.
Right.
Um so then when I get the designI like on that clear rod, I then
back it with black.
Back it so that it looks yes,with a black color.
SPEAKER_08 (22:02):
Okay.
And what do you use for blackcoloring?
SPEAKER_07 (22:05):
Uh black violet from it's just the color is called
black violet.
It's just a rod of of blackblack.
SPEAKER_08 (22:12):
Okay, black glass.
Okay, got it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_07 (22:14):
Yeah.
And then I coil pot that aroundit.
A coil pot is just spinning theglass around the outside until
you've so you go around thetheir circumference and then
keep going around it until youget to the end.
Um and then that gives it whenyou're when you're looking at
it, that gives it the thespace-like effect.
(22:36):
So the silver kind of looks likesparkly stars, all yellow and
blue and green.
Right.
And then it has that really nicecontrasting black background.
So then once I'm done with theblack and it's all melted in
nicely, I can pull it off of therod.
So I put it in front of thetorch and I pull it off from the
(22:59):
the back side of it.
So the side that I've justcolored in black, right?
And then the other side,opposite the black, is the face
of the marble.
So then I start rounding out theface of the marble, and I do
that in a in a graphite marver.
There's a little piece ofgraphite that's uh what's a
(23:19):
marvel.
Um it's it's just a piece ofgraphite that's it's it's like a
half circle and has roundededges so that it gives you that
nice circular look on yourmarbles.
SPEAKER_05 (23:33):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (23:34):
So then I I heat it up and I keep rounding it, I
heat it up, I round it, heat itup, round it.
It takes a lot of rounding toget it perfect so that it's
actually spherical.
SPEAKER_08 (23:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (23:44):
Um and then yeah, I pull it off, I put it in the
kiln and let it sit the night,and then I have a nice piece of
art the next day.
SPEAKER_08 (23:52):
So when it it how hot is the kiln?
SPEAKER_07 (23:57):
The kiln is at 1050, so 1050 degrees, and that's what
I sit mine at, and then itstarts to ramp down very slowly
overnight.
SPEAKER_08 (24:07):
Okay.
And yeah, and and they keeptheir round shape?
SPEAKER_07 (24:12):
Yes, yes.
Okay, so if I went up anyhigher, like if I was in the
2000 degrees, you would startyou would see it start slumping
and you know, not being a marbleanymore, it would kind of just
start going down into a little alittle pile of glass at the
bottom.
SPEAKER_08 (24:28):
Okay, so now how big is this marble that you just
described that you're that thatlooks like galaxies or the what
the pillars of creation and thatsort of stuff in there?
It would be about two inches indiameter.
Okay.
unknown (24:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_08 (24:44):
And what kind of price range does something like
that retail for?
SPEAKER_07 (24:48):
Uh I sell them for anywhere from$50 to$90,
depending on what all I have inthere and what different
techniques I've done to it.
Right.
So some I do multiple techniquesand put them all together and do
like different galaxies, butI'll put like five in the same
one, where some I'll just do oneto keep it on the lower end so
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Now you attended, you youmentioned to me something that
just fascinated me that I neverheard about this.
You went to some, is it a marbleconvention in the States?
SPEAKER_07 (28:16):
Yes.
Yes, I've gone I've gone todifferent marble shows in the
States, and there is one thisweekend or next weekend, I
believe, in Toronto.
They have a marble contest aswell.
SPEAKER_08 (28:26):
Okay.
And then so some of the high-endstuff there, what what kind of
price does do do they draw andfor what size of a marble or
glass ball or whichever you wecall it?
SPEAKER_07 (28:36):
So they they would be varying, and you have people
from different fields, not justlike different glass fields.
So you would have soft glassartists.
SPEAKER_08 (28:43):
What's a okay, what's a soft glass artist?
SPEAKER_07 (28:47):
Uh soft glass artists is probably what most
people have seen, and that'swhere you're working out of a
big crucible.
Um, and if anybody's seen theNetflix show blown away, okay.
No, that would be soft glass.
SPEAKER_08 (29:01):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (29:02):
Yeah.
A lot of people, every time I'mat my booth, everybody comes up
and that's the first thing theysay.
They're like, oh, like on theNetflix show, and I have to
explain to them that there'sdifference.
SPEAKER_08 (29:11):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (29:11):
Mine's lamp working.
What I do is considered lampworking or flame working, and
theirs would be like soft glass,crucible work.
Okay.
Um, so yeah, at the at theshows, you you have a variety.
You have a lot of the lampworkers have smaller stuff
anywhere from you know one inchup to six inch marbles, and six
(29:32):
inches getting fairly big.
But then you have some of thesoft glass people making a lot
bigger because they can get ituh a mass a lot hotter in their
crucibles and the glory holethat they use.
SPEAKER_08 (29:42):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (29:42):
Um so yeah, it's you have a good variety, and price
ranges are again all over.
You would probably have fromfifty into the thousands of
dollars for a marble.
SPEAKER_08 (29:55):
For a marble.
SPEAKER_07 (29:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_08 (29:57):
And this isn't the the kind of marbles that kids go
out and play with.
SPEAKER_07 (30:01):
I mean, technically it is the same kind, but these
ones are very artistic, verywell made, and more for
collecting.
SPEAKER_08 (30:10):
Okay.
So when I was a kid playingmarbles, you know, stuck the
heel in the in the dirt, and youwent back and you tried to shoot
your marble in.
What what kind of glass and uhthat was there?
And it looked like it kind ofhad almost like feathers in in a
lot of those ones.
How what is that, or or how doesthat differ from what uh you're
producing?
SPEAKER_07 (30:30):
That is just mass-produced stuff.
And I believe a lot of that camefrom China and India.
I know India is still a heavyproducer of that style of
marble, and they're all machinemade, and a lot of it's recycled
glass now, the stuff that iscoming out of India.
They're recycling bottles downand just turning them into
marbles.
SPEAKER_08 (30:47):
Oh, really?
So Yeah.
Okay, so hmm.
Yeah, interesting.
And and because I remember therewas there was alleys and
boulders, what we called them askids, the two sizes, and that
was about it.
And so is there different sizeuh things?
So what do you call a boulder orwhat do you call an alley?
Or do you have that, or do theyhave that?
SPEAKER_07 (31:06):
I don't think we're really terms.
Once you start getting into likethe art glass marbles, you're
more about the diameter of whatit is, is what people are
referencing.
And I I don't think there's anyunique names made up for that.
SPEAKER_08 (31:18):
Okay.
And so and and a lot of peoplepick these up, or there's
collectors of these sort ofthings.
SPEAKER_07 (31:23):
Yeah, there is quite a bit of collectors.
I myself am a collector, so Ihave a lot of marbles from a lot
of different artists.
Um, but yeah, there's it, it'sit was shocking when I went to
the first show because I went asa collector before I even
started blowing glass and justseeing the amount of people that
not only make the marbles, butare also pretty big collectors
(31:43):
of the marbles and have, youknow, a few thousand dollar
collections of just marbles on ashelf.
SPEAKER_08 (31:49):
Really?
unknown (31:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_08 (31:51):
And so now uh a lot of the other do they I don't
know, is there specialty kind ofones that uh people make up that
have uh um I I don't know, likeuh the the the snow globes and
stuff like that.
Is that something that fallswithin your purview of industry
or is that something different?
SPEAKER_07 (32:10):
Or there are some people who have who have made
snow globes.
I don't think it's somethinghuge um for like lamp workers to
make.
I think it's more that's evenmore niche than say um marbles
are.
But uh there I've definitelyseen a few glass blowers make
them.
I just think the the cost onthem would be so expensive that
(32:32):
people would be more off just togo buy, you know, uh a snow
globe from a mass-produced snowglobe at Walmart or something.
SPEAKER_08 (32:40):
So so when you buy your glass, what is it very
expensive to like what are welooking at?
If somebody was listening to thepodcast and said, you know, I
might be interested in tryingthat, yeah.
What did people need and whatkind of outlay financially do
people need and and to getstarted?
And how long does it take beforeyou can start to produce
something that looks, you know,relatively relatively
(33:02):
respectable?
SPEAKER_07 (33:04):
Um so glass, when you're buying colored glass, you
can there's a bunch of differentoptions.
You have China glass, which isthe very low end of it.
Um you can go up to theAmerican-made glass, which is a
lot better quality, it's it's alot more workable and more
consistent in the way it'sproduced.
And a pound of glass, I wouldsay a Chinese pound of glass
(33:25):
would be about twenty dollars apound.
Okay, and then you're going upto the American-made high end,
you can go up to probably twoeighty, I think is what I saw
last for a brand new pound ofglass.
Oh, I generally try to stick inthe lower end of that because I
I I don't use a lot of colors.
(33:46):
I mainly use black and thensilver coins.
So I I try to be around theeighty dollar to a hundred and
twenty dollar a pound for thecolor I buy.
SPEAKER_08 (33:55):
Right.
So can you buy the cheap uhChinese stuff and blend it with
the American stuff and get amixture that's good quality?
You can for sure.
SPEAKER_07 (34:04):
Yeah.
And I believe there was a couplecolor companies that were doing
that.
They were buying the the rawglass from China and then mixing
it down and just making it moreconsistent and then re-pulling
it in America.
SPEAKER_08 (34:15):
Oh, really?
So and but uh as you mentioned,in India they were using a lot
of recycled glass.
SPEAKER_07 (34:22):
Yeah, that was for the marbles, and I I I watched a
whole documentary on that wherethey were just taking the
bottles, breaking them down,putting them in a big furnace,
melting it, and then putting itinto this machine that was just
making the marbles.
It was just like spiraling themaround like a corkscrew.
Right.
And then at the end it justdrops them into a little bin and
they were making tons ofmarbles.
SPEAKER_08 (34:44):
So the um the that glass industry, you know, when
they recycle glass, um and itwas the same for you know, when
growing up those stubby beerbottle kind of things, they
always reuse those.
Is there's some kind of specialglass that they use in bottles
that they recycle them and reusethem over and over again, or
wine bottles?
Those are the ones that come tomind.
(35:05):
Or what happens with the glass,or do you know what happens with
the glass that goes through therecycle system that's here?
SPEAKER_07 (35:10):
So oddly enough, I do know because I worked at the
beer store uh when I was incollege, and it was the beer
store warehouse, not like thebeer store storefront.
Um, and they separate it bycolor there, right?
So the brown bottles all wentinto one big area, the green
bottles went into another area,then clear bottles into another
area.
Right.
And I believe that was thedifferences that they had for
(35:33):
their glass was clear, thegreen, and the brown.
Okay, and then they wouldre-melt all the broken ones
down.
A lot of them were just washedand reused.
SPEAKER_08 (35:42):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (35:43):
Um, but now I think it's mostly melting them and
then re-blowing them and thenusing them again.
SPEAKER_08 (35:48):
Oh, really?
So now I recall uh somebody oncetelling me that um there was
little marks on the beer bottlesthat said how many times it was
gone through the system.
I is that yeah.
What so what is that?
SPEAKER_07 (36:03):
And that's so I that's why I don't think they do
it that way anymore.
Right.
Because I I have a couple reallyold beer bottles, and you can
tell they have like the littlescratches and rolls on them as
well around the circumference,and you can tell that they've
gone through the the therepurposing process many times.
SPEAKER_08 (36:20):
Oh, okay.
Oh, interesting.
So, yeah, so it's it's justinteresting to find out about
recycling a lot of thesecomponents and how it's put back
in.
And and so a lot a lot of theglass that goes through just I
don't even know what happens toit.
I know.
My first house, which was afamily house that I bought,
beside it was a uh WalterBaumeister, bless his soul, a
(36:44):
friend, that when he went in toput in a basement and redo, they
started digging there, and theyfound huge quantities, like four
feet of glass that they werejust had thrown out.
It was a a place that was aglass dump, basically.
Huh.
Yeah, which I'd never heard ofor seen, but I remember Walter
telling me, he says, Yeah, wehad just they had so much glass
(37:07):
down there we didn't know whatwhat was going on, but it
obviously was an old glass site,uh dump site of some kind where
they just threw the the oldglass and now it's being reused
and repurposed, which is good, Ibelieve.
SPEAKER_07 (37:19):
Yeah.
No, that isn't easy.
They um there's also a placevery similar to that in
California.
I believe it's around the FortBragg area, and it's called
Glass Beach.
And it's where they used to justdump all the old glass.
SPEAKER_08 (37:33):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (37:33):
And now it's just like a whole beach of beach
glass.
Usually when you walk down thebeach, you'll see a bunch of
sand and rocks, and you'll belike, oh, there's a nice piece
of beach glass.
This whole beach is beach glass.
Oh, really?
It's it's wild.
Yeah, it's really neat.
You gotta look it up.
SPEAKER_08 (37:47):
Uh so you gotta watch.
Oh, there's a sharp one.
You know what you don't want tobe walking on any of that.
SPEAKER_07 (37:53):
I I think it's so old that it's there isn't much
sharp stuff left.
It's a it's it's uh adecommissioned dump site where
they used to dump it.
So I believe it's now inside theboundaries of a state park, and
a lot of people go there andvisit it and look at it.
But yeah, if you just look upGlass Beach, California, you'll
you'll find it on Google forsure.
And it's it looks so beautiful.
(38:15):
It's it's wild seeing it.
SPEAKER_08 (38:16):
Oh, that sounds different.
But tell us what other kind ofproducts do you do you produce
besides these specialty marbles?
SPEAKER_07 (38:24):
Uh other than marbles, I do lots of wearables,
so a lot of pendants.
Um, and that's just differentshapes.
I do leaf pendants and littlemushroom pendants.
I do some space pendants aswell, the little space scenes a
lot smaller.
Um, and then I do ornaments,it's really big right now.
I've been selling lots of glassChristmas ornaments this year.
(38:45):
Okay.
Um, I do straws, I do stirsticks, earrings, and more
wearables.
I do little tiny earrings insidea sterling silver loop to go in
your ear.
Okay.
Um what else do I do?
SPEAKER_08 (39:02):
Come on, this is a chance for you to do your
specialty plug.
We're leading up to one specialone that I was hoping you'd
bring up.
SPEAKER_07 (39:09):
I I do paperweights as well.
Lots of paperweights.
Um trying to think.
I'm trying to I'm trying to goover my boots.
SPEAKER_08 (39:17):
Okay, so what is the one where people put special
things that they carry with themin the glass?
SPEAKER_07 (39:24):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I get what one you're leading meto.
Yeah.
I do uh that that's more of acustom service, but that's uh
Memorial Ash glass pendants.
Okay.
What?
And marble.
SPEAKER_08 (39:34):
What does that mean and what's involved in that?
SPEAKER_07 (39:37):
So when one of your loved ones passes away, either a
a human family member or friendor uh a pet, and they get
cremated, I can take thosecremations and put them inside
glass.
SPEAKER_08 (39:51):
And you can identify it's not just blended all in, so
it's kind of cloudy glass.
It's it looks like somethingspecial.
You can see the ashes.
SPEAKER_07 (39:58):
The ashes look identical to.
What they look like when they'rein the jar.
SPEAKER_08 (40:02):
Okay.
And so and so what size is thissort of thing, or uh what do
people do with it and how dothey do anything with it?
It's like a pocket thing thatthey carry around, is it not?
SPEAKER_07 (40:13):
Some are.
So I do some wearables becausethere are people who want to
wear and carry their loved onesaround all the time.
So I do some little pendants,some little teardrop pendants
with ashes in it, and then Iback it with a nice dark color
so you get a good contrastbetween uh the loved ones' ashes
and and the the piece you'rewearing.
SPEAKER_08 (40:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (40:32):
And I also do the marbles.
The marbles have been reallypopular this last year.
A lot of people seem to wantsomething to put on their shelf
and to look at.
So the marbles come with alittle stand, and you know, it's
just you can see your lovedone's ashes, and it takes up a
lot less room than an urn.
And it's it's I think the act ofphysically seeing the ashes is
(40:54):
very nice for people if peoplewant to see them because it's
like seeing your loved onesstill in their head, I guess.
SPEAKER_08 (40:59):
Well, yeah, I know.
Um, but we're not talking largevolumes of ashes that go into
these glasses.
It's about we're talking aboutthe size of uh what a uh a uh a
glass juice um uh container, youknow, about that size?
Uh about what?
SPEAKER_07 (41:16):
It's it's tiny.
It's the amount that you wouldgive me is like one eighth of a
teaspoon that I would end upputting in.
SPEAKER_08 (41:25):
Right.
SPEAKER_07 (41:26):
But it looks like a lot because you have that
rounded front side and it reallymagnifies the ashes.
But it's a very thin layer thatgoes right through the middle of
the glass.
SPEAKER_08 (41:35):
Yeah, I was with somebody yesterday whose uh wife
uh uh their their uh loved uhpet, their dog passed away
several months ago and and uhstill having difficulty getting
over it.
So I think something like thatto to kind of carry around, to
look at, to think about would besomething that people would
appreciate it.
And and how's that going over?
And how did you find out orstart about that?
SPEAKER_07 (41:57):
So I I kind of have heard about it.
I've I've been doing glassblowing for about 12 years, so I
I kind of heard about it in thebeginning of my glass blowing
adventure, but then when my aunthad passed away, my dad was
looking at getting some stuffmade for his his brothers and
sisters, and they were gonna getsomething made and it was made
out of resin.
And it looked similar to what Ido, but he just didn't really
(42:18):
like the idea of resin and askedme if I could do it in glass.
And I hadn't even thought aboutoffering that service.
So I I made him a bunch of themand then started selling them at
the or not selling them,offering them the service at
markets, and it's it's been ahit.
It's been really good, actually.
SPEAKER_08 (42:35):
Very interesting.
I know, because uh when myfather passed away, bless his
soul, um got some ashes from uhfrom my father.
And actually we we we buriedthose.
We have what we call a spiritwatch in the bush.
And uh it's up uh where wepicked Chaga, and there's a
there's a hill up there wheretwo trails meet, and we have uh,
(42:58):
I don't know, maybe 10, 12 umdifferent souls that have been
uh some sort of of aspect andashes placed up there.
And uh something like this wouldbe certainly something a little
bit different that uh you knowif you if you wanted to to move
things around or plant put themsomewhere, it would be a a nice
way to be able to put them at aspirit watcher in some sort of a
(43:21):
form like that.
No, for sure.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_07 (43:23):
And I I had a a lady this past weekend that said her
mother had just passed away andher father had passed away many
years before that, but shewanted to know if I could put
their ashes together and thenthey would be sealed in
something, like a nice littleglass marble for eternity.
Right.
So and yeah, that's that'ssomething you can do for sure.
So but I just thought that theidea was nice because their
(43:45):
parents were together for solong and they wanted them to
still be together after death,which I I thought was very nice.
SPEAKER_08 (43:51):
And what kind of uh retail price uh does stuff like
that uh start and what isarranged for something like that
to get done?
SPEAKER_07 (43:59):
Uh it all starts at sixty dollars.
So that's what I offer for mybasic, and that's just the ashes
in either a pendant or a marblewith a single color backing.
Um and then really, if anything,the sky's the limit, really.
I mean, you can ask me to makewhatever, and we can put it in a
heart shape, we can dopaperweights.
(44:19):
I've had people that wanted suncatchers because they wanted to
hang them out on their porch.
Right.
So so yeah, the ashes can gointo anything that that I make
already.
Um but mostly is the wearablesand the marbles.
That's what I most get requestsfor.
SPEAKER_08 (44:35):
So when you say suncatcher, what's a suncatcher?
SPEAKER_07 (44:39):
It's a little piece of glass, probably I don't know,
about 10 inches long, that'sspiraling down, and the the
different angles on the flatpiece of glass catch the light.
Okay.
And it's just like a little suncatcher that people would hang
out on their porch or theirveranda.
SPEAKER_08 (44:59):
Interesting.
And and so you so you make suncatchers, you do these specialty
ones, you've got quite a bit ofother stuff.
And what other sorts of things,Trevor, do you do you kind of uh
make or specialize in in theglass?
SPEAKER_07 (45:12):
Um I I do uh I'm trying to think how at my booth.
I I was just doing my booth thisweekend.
Um there's also stuff forsmokables, so I do make pipes as
well.
Okay.
Um I don't sell as many of thoseas I do the marbles or anything
else, but I I do also makepipes.
(45:33):
Right.
Glass pipes.
Um interesting.
Yeah, I don't think there's muchelse.
I think I I said everything thatI I make.
SPEAKER_08 (45:42):
So, and one other now you have something else
though that uh I had somediscussions with uh a different
line that has a different booththat you have that uh we can
just briefly go into.
But you you do uh 3D printing aswell?
SPEAKER_07 (45:55):
Yes.
So we just started doing the 3Dprinting.
Um and we figured since we're atthe markets anyways, it's
something I have a mild interestin that we could just get two
booths at every market now andthen set up a 3D print booth and
a glass booth side by side.
And it's it's been going good.
It's been going really good.
It's fun.
SPEAKER_08 (46:13):
So can you take a picture and make a 3D image of,
say, my son holding a muskie?
SPEAKER_07 (46:19):
A hundred percent.
It's really it's very doable.
It's called HueForge.
Is it that technique of doingit?
Right.
And um yeah, it's basicallytaking pictures and printing
them at different layer heights,and then when you hold it up to
the light, depending on what thelayer height is, gives the
different shading in the image.
SPEAKER_08 (46:38):
Okay, so yeah, because I know that once upon a
time you could get a abobblehead in your own image.
Yes.
Um, but now I'm seeing thesethese I just happened to be
looking uh through uh one of thesocial media platforms last
night, and lo and behold, theyhad all these images of people
holding, you know, fish andthings like that.
And and I was quite surprisedand I thought, boy, that would
be an interesting thing and besomething nice to have for for
(47:00):
Christmas.
And that is that something thatyou're getting requests for yet?
SPEAKER_07 (47:03):
Yes, yeah, I've done a few of those already.
Uh my wife also does weddingphotography, so we have a couple
of the customers from her umthat wanted some of their
pictures put into the the 3Dprint so that they can have it
sitting on a windowsill orhanging on a wall.
SPEAKER_08 (47:18):
Oh yeah, interesting.
Yeah, and so and the 3Dprinting, it it's uh pretty
popular when you take it toevents.
SPEAKER_07 (47:24):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, it's honestly it's it'sslightly upsetting, but it seems
to be a little bit more popularthan the glasses right now.
But I think it's because it's sonew.
Right.
And and a lot of kids come tothe market and the kids are so
fascinated with it.
I I do make a uh a decent amountof toys, so the kids love that.
SPEAKER_08 (47:42):
Yeah, I know that uh um I was with somebody, uh
Dominic, and he's rebuilding a1972 Owls 442, and they can't
get some parts to it.
So I suggested to him, I said,you know, what about these 3D
printing of parts that I'mhearing about?
Is that something uh you know hesaid, you know something that
(48:03):
might work.
But uh I understand that thereare some people out there
producing parts because he had a72 Owls 442 and a 69 Firebird
that they were looking forspecialty parts, but 3D printing
in those areas might besomething of uh interest that uh
they can fill that void.
SPEAKER_07 (48:19):
Oh, for sure.
You can totally do that.
And if you have an existing parttoo, they sell scanners, lidar
scanners that are held handheld,and you can replicate existing
parts.
Or even say if you're a sculptorand you do a bunch of
sculptures, you can scan thatsculpture and reproduce it in a
3D print.
SPEAKER_08 (48:38):
And so what are these prints made out of?
SPEAKER_07 (48:41):
Mostly plastic.
Um PLA is the common one, andthat's polylactic acid, and it's
derived from corn sugars.
SPEAKER_08 (48:48):
Okay.
Interesting.
SPEAKER_07 (48:50):
Um, but then they have other types as well.
They have ABS, um, you can havePLA mixed with carbon fiber, you
can have PLA mixed with woodfibers to give it a more wood
look.
SPEAKER_08 (49:02):
Oh yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Well, I very much appreciate youtaking the time to be on the the
podcast, uh, Trevor.
Where can people get in touchwith you, or where can they see
your products, or where can theylike where where you got shows
coming up, uh, and I'll mindyou, uh the this will be on
forever and a day, or are howcan people find out more details
(49:22):
and see your products?
SPEAKER_07 (49:24):
The easiest way to find my stuff is on Instagram.
I've been using Instagram sinceit came out, um, and that's just
frequency.glass on Instagram.
I'm also frequency.glass onFacebook as well.
SPEAKER_08 (49:39):
Okay.
SPEAKER_07 (49:39):
Those are the two easiest ways to look at my stuff
and get a hold of me.
And I do on Instagram, all of myshows get posted.
So if I have an upcoming show, Iusually post about it a month
before, and then the weekleading up to it, I'll do a
couple posts and then the day ofas well.
I post what shows I've had.
SPEAKER_08 (49:55):
Well, very good.
Well, I appreciate you takingthe time and enlightening us.
I certainly learned a lot aboutuh a field that I I see you at
the markets and and uh we talk abit, but uh I didn't know a heck
of a lot about uh your glassblowing uh profession and all
the the work that's involved andwhat takes place, but I think a
lot of our listeners havelearned quite a bit as I have,
(50:16):
and really appreciate you beingon the on the podcast, Trevor.
SPEAKER_07 (50:19):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
It was it was fun.
SPEAKER_08 (50:21):
Yeah, well, this is a little bit something different
uh uh outside the norm of whatwe normally find out there under
the canopy.
Thanks, Trevor.
Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER_11 (51:09):
But this podcast will be more than that.
Every week on Diaries of a LodgeOwner, I'm going to introduce
you to a ton of great people.
Share their stories of ourtrials, tribulations, and
inspirations.
Learn and have plenty of laughsalong the way.
SPEAKER_02 (51:26):
Meanwhile, we're sitting there bobbing along,
trying to figure out how tocatch a bass, and we both
decided one day we were going tobe on television doing a fishing
jump.
SPEAKER_10 (51:36):
My hands get sore a little bit when I'm reeling in
all those bass in thesummertime, but that's might be
more efficient than it waspunching.
SPEAKER_11 (51:43):
You so confidently said, Hey Pat, have you ever
eaten a drunk?
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