ENTREPRENEURS: CAN FITNESS GIVE YOU THE EDGE? DR. SHELL HAS THE ANSWER!

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Want to build a thriving business? Start with your body. In this powerhouse episode, Dr. Shell—doctor, entrepreneur, and Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship competitor—shares how strength training and mental resilience give entrepreneurs the edge they need to win in business and life.

Discover why fitness isn’t just about looking good—it’s about building the endurance, energy, and mindset to tackle challenges head-on. Dr. Shell breaks down how muscle-building boosts metabolism, improves glucose management, and enhances longevity—all crucial for sustaining the demands of entrepreneurship.

We also debunk common fitness myths, especially for women—lifting weights won’t make you bulky, but it will supercharge your health and stamina. Plus, we dive into personalized wellness strategies, the impact of diet and hormones, and how stress management, gratitude, and positive self-talk can help you stay motivated in both business and life.

If you’re an entrepreneur looking to sharpen your mind, strengthen your body, and maximize your success, this episode is a must-listen!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome to underdogs, bootstrappers and
game changers.
This is for those of you thatare starting with nothing and
using business to change theirstars, motivating people who
disrupted industry standards.
This is the real side ofbusiness.
This isn't Shark Tank.
My aim with this podcast is totake away some of the imaginary

(00:22):
roadblocks that are out there.
I want to help more underdogs,because underdogs are truly who
change the world.
This is part of our Content forGood initiative.
All the proceeds from themonetization of this podcast
will go to charitable causes.
It's for the person that wantsit.
Hello and welcome to anotherepisode of Underdogs,

(00:45):
Bootstrappers, Game Changers.
And boy, I've got a treat foryou today.
I've got a good friend hereonce again, Dr Shell.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Hello everybody, Thanks for having me.
I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
So Dr Shell is a badass in so many ways and she's
number one longtime mixed,longtime mixed martial artists.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Currently number one contender ranked number four uh
in the world for bare knucklefighting championships, bkfc,
which is a professional bareknuckle uh boxing league, which
is something, uh, conor McGregorjust picked up yes, Conor
McGregor is a co-owner, and it'sone of the fastest growing
combat sports and it's, it's uh,it's a really exciting sport.
It's one of the fastest growingcombat sports and it's a really

(01:25):
exciting sport.
It's one of those ones that youdon't have to be a fighter to
understand.
It's go, go, go from the start.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
So Dr Shell is a bare knuckle boxer and doctor.
She's obviously a doctor andher specialty is around hormonal
health, blood work.
Everything that kind of getsthe race car ready to drive
right is in your body.
And she's also a wife to a copwho's out in the field every day

(01:52):
, and three kids.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yep correct Three kids, nine seven and a
three-year-old boy.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
So you heard all that right.
Dr Shell is all three Underdogbootstrapper, game changer
because she also owns her ownclinic, and so I really wanted
to have a conversation with DrShell today because I know how
important fitness has been in mylife.
Some of you in the audience knowmy undergrads in biochemistry,
huge fitness nut, been involvedwith the mixed martial arts

(02:19):
world for a long time myself,weightlifting world, lots of
different hobbies around sportand fitness and I think it's so
important for business, and soDr Shell and I have some
interesting conversations, andthat's what I want to help you
with.
Today is we're going to talkabout fitness, because this
avatar that you have to navigatelife with it is important, it's

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strong, it is important, it'shealthy.
It is important that yourstress levels are maintained and
with business and you don'thave any sort of fitness routine
, it's like I tell people allthe time, it's like you are
going to need it for the stress,the fitness is going to be
imperative because otherwisethey can pick up a drink.
And if your way in dealing withstress is to pick up a drink

(03:06):
and you get into business,you're going to be picking up a
drink all the time, or you canpick up a weight, right.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Absolutely Positive outlets are very important for
anyone who's trying to achievegreat things or, you know, kind
of fill their plate in life.
And so you know mental.
You know mental strength is athing and you know it's hard to
is, is a, is a thing and and um,you know it's hard to practice
that without some sort ofphysical challenge.
It it kind of goes hand in hand.
When you're, when you'rephysically challenging yourself,

(03:31):
um, that that really is whenthe, the mental uh gymnastics
are done and and mental strengthis made.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, and where we're going to go.
We're going to go to kind ofbase level today, and so some of
you folks that been intofitness, I think you're going to
get a ton out of thisconversation.
But also I want to make sure toget down to a level where, if
you haven't started yet, youknow it's cause I, one of my
goals in this world is to buildmore kindhearted badasses, and
part of that is we have to getyou an avatar worthy of doing
that.
You know I get people that comeup to me in the gym all the

(03:59):
time, especially in the lockerroom, and they're like your,
your goals, you know my fitnessand stuff like that, and the
thing is any of you could havewhat I have as far as fitness is
concerned.
Anybody, anybody could have whatDr Shell has.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I absolutely feel that I feel that, uh, in in
everything that I that I've done, even getting into mixed
martial arts, I was, I was kindof thrown in there and I didn't
have any training, I just fought.
You know, 12 days later, um,you know, and um, you know it,
it wasn't met with the biggestsupport.
A lot of people are kind oflike who is she?
And uh, you know, I was tryingto to influence, you know, and
encourage all women to get into.
It's kind of like, look at melike I didn't do it.
You know little did I know thatthat um kind of attitude was

(04:41):
going to be met with.
Um, you know, you got the basicsin line, you're fit and you're
healthy.
Um, you know there's a lot offitness competitions that that
we can do and, and you know, Ibounced back and forth from
competing in in fitness, uh,competition shows in in the
bikini division and uh, you know, I, I, I qualified many times
for the nationals and um, and um, yeah, I mean, I, I, I don't
know why I got into bikini, butit's more so.

(05:03):
Just, you compete and youstrength train in the gym and
you want to see where you stand,you want to compete in
something, and so thatcompetitive drive, you know,
kind of got me in the door forfitness competitions, which you
know aren't necessarily my thing.
It's kind of out of my place tobe in heels and hair and makeup
.
So you know, that's always achallenge that I try to get
through when I do thosecompetitions.

(05:23):
But you know it's, it's totallyopposite when I'm fighting, when
I'm fighting, I'm, I'm, youknow I'm, I'm calm the whole
time.
It really is my, um, my, my, mysafe place and my, my place
where I get to challenge myselfand and that's um, it's um, it's
hard to explain and and uh, andmixed martial arts is, is
really the ultimate physical andmental challenge and it's a

(05:43):
chess match.
That's what I love exactly.
It is a mental chess.
A mental chess match, you haveto be one step ahead of your
opponent.
You really have to be in tunewith their body language.
It's, it's a lot more than justgoing over the technique, and
so there's a lot more um tohaving fighter iq than just

(06:03):
going through the motions.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's so nice to have like backup plan too.
Right.
It's like, if you're like Iboxers, you know like you're a
bare knuckle boxer.
It's like you have to beincredible at just boxing, you
know it's like.
But if you're kicking my buttboxing, I still have options in
the mixed martial arts world,right.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Exactly, and you know what, like I, my, um, my
background is in MMA.
I've had, gosh, I think, maybe18 or so MMA fights, and so I'm
very experienced in mixedmartial arts and a lot of Muay
Thai, and it's one of thosethings that my strength was
always my one too which is youknow the basics of what's needed
in a boxing fight or really anyfight, and you know that that

(06:39):
that came very naturally as, asas a background in in tennis, I
feel like just the swing of theracket, uh, came naturally for
my one too, and um, yeah, it'sjust, uh, you know, owning on
the basics for any competitionor, or, um, athletics that you
do is is very important, um,that's, and, and, and that's
what, that's what I say forreally anything is you, you, you
got to own the basics, eveneven in health, it's, it's, you

(07:00):
got to get the basics in lineYep Business too.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
It's like you know.
It's like everybody overlooksthe basics.
It's like what's the trick,what's the hey, what's the
miracle pill today that we'regoing to take to go out and be
fit?
It's like the basics, it'salways miracle pill or miracle
workout.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
You know like some some people will be, you know,
doing just crazy workouts andstuff, but and and those can be
fun and exert yourself indifferent ways, but for ultimate
, you know kind of kind ofstrength training it's.
I've been doing curls, you know, for 15 years.
You know there's certainexercises that are, you know, of
course, like you know squats,deadlifts, the.
You know the, the foundationallifts.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Let's get to that actually, because I want to talk
a little bit about the way youand I I'll get involved in the
conversation there too, like theway we learned to fitness right
.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Tell me the way you learned fitness.
How did you like figure thisfitness thing out?
Yeah, you know what I?
Um I, I was really reallyblessed with my my very first
job.
Uh, during high school, Iworked at a nutrition store and
so I was in the environment as ateenager, seeing these adults
who were very in shape and theywere interested in their health
and they were using theirprotein every weekend or, you
know, every month, and you knoware coming in to purchase
protein every month and you knowthey're on these supplements

(08:13):
and and just just very fitpeople and it's it's adults who
were just working out every day.
And so, you know, I I was verylucky to be exposed to that
environment and and then myselfstarted doing like protein and
you know fish oil pills andthings like that.
And, um, you know that's whatinitially inspired me like hey,
like maybe I should go, you know, try to do some exercise, um,

(08:35):
and and kind of get back intoathletics.
I had a background in inchildhood in tennis and sports
and things like that.
So I was athletic as a kid, butI kind of lost it in high
school and things like that.
So I was athletic as a kid, butI kind of lost it in high
school.
Um and um, yeah, it's, it's umsomething that, uh, I kind of
just pushed myself into goingand what I initially did was
anything that I was comfortablewith and I did cross country and
track in school.
So basically what I do is I justturned the treadmill on on flat

(08:57):
and um, I would just run, I'drun.
For you know, I just listenedto my music and you know I'd run
a couple of miles Um and um youknow, and that would be it A
lot of women don't realize thatthey should pick up some weights
, right?
You know what, and and for thelongest time I didn't realize
that.
You know I was working at thenutrition store and you know a
lot of them are.
You know the bikini modelsthey're on the cover models,
their fitness models that are,you know, obviously on on

(09:18):
supplements and things like that.
So initially you know that'swhat I started going into and
you know, then I competed justfor fun, to kind of see where I

(09:39):
stood against you know, fitcompetitors and I did the bikini
competition and you know I wonand my goal was kind of like
dang, like I, I, I havepotential, like maybe I could,
you know, go for.
You know nationalqualifications and things like
that.
And so you know that was justmy goal because you know,
competitive drive is somethingthat, um, it changed my changes,
my training, the way that, theway that I think and the way
that I um approach my trainingand, um, there's no doubt, it

(10:01):
makes it more like exactly.
Um, there's no doubt it makes itmore like exactly.
There's something about anytype of competition that really
drives me.
It's not like, um, you know,and it's not an, it's not a
negative pressure in any wayeither.
It's just I love to compete andand, um, I've, I've, I've
really always been like that.
I've always wanted to compete.
You know, I had an olderbrother and I just, I always
wanted to, to, to, to, to try tobe better and and, and always,

(10:21):
always be against someone who'sbigger and stronger.
And just, the challenge is, issomething about that?
That's what I like.
And so, um, you know, in instrength training, yes, you can
see your body change and you'regetting stronger, um, but I
really like the goals of, of, um, you know, trying to get it all
, all throughout the body.
It encourages you to do squatsand not just, do you know,
shoulders and upper body and and, uh, you know, you're working
on your whole body.

(10:42):
And the second the second Ilearned about weights was the
second that I really saw my bodytransforming.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, tell them about the efficiencies around.
You know, it's not just liftingaway, it's not just putting on
muscle, cause that's what womenfear of Like.
Talk to, uh, talk to me aboutthe efficiencies of strength
training.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah.
So I mean I mean wait, wait,wait.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
The fact that when you're lifting weights, when
you're putting on muscle, whatthat does for body fat.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean so I mean the way that muscle works is that
muscle is highly metabolic andit's something that it's going
to be burning calories andhelping us with our glucose
storage and production and usage, and the more muscle that you
have to, the more insulinreceptors that you have.
So there's a lot going on underthe hood that we can benefit

(11:25):
from.
Muscle.
Muscle really does dictate ourmetabolism and a lot of us, you
know, kind of forget about that,or or you know, maybe haven't
had that discussion to learnthat.
I certainly didn't know thatfor, like I said, for the
longest time I was dealing withcustomers who had a lot of
muscle and I didn't realize thatthey were strength training and
you know, until we realizedthat as women, how important

(11:51):
muscle is, uh, for longevity andour uh, you know, our energy,
our health, our mood um, justthe way that our body, just the
way that our body works and howhard it is, as we age, to keep
that muscle.
Um, you know, we, we, we got totake advantage of our youth and
and you, your strength.
Train now, because it only getsharder as we age.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
There's a historic nature to bustle too.
It's like I'm sure you heardthis like rolling jiu-jitsu and
stuff.
It's like the old man strength,you know.
It's like people actually teaseme about having that these days
, the old man strength, andthere is, there's a certain
memory to muscle, and so that'swhy the earlier you start it, in
my opinion like the the moreyou can get it back easier, the

(12:27):
more it lasts, you know it'slike.
But for women too I want tobring your point home.
You know I tend to do that onthis show is like uh, adding
some strength training to yourworkout will also have
efficiencies in fat burning andyou'll look better.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Absolutely.
If our ultimate goal is weightloss and fat burning, cardio is
is good, it's important, itwarms us up, it does burn some
calories, but, but the ultimatemetabolic boost is going to be
from building muscle.
Um, and, and I always say, like, the cool thing about building
muscle is not only are you built, burning calories, uh, during

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that workout, you're now burningcalories when you go home and
when you're eating, when you'resleeping, you're constantly a
fat burning machine.
When you're building thatmuscle.
And for for, for women, um, youknow, I commonly come across
the fear that we'll get toobulky and um, you gotta work
hard to be bulky.
It really is.
I've been working my whole lifeto get bulky and you know, when
I lean out for fights I canlook pretty shredded and pretty

(13:22):
jacked, but normally it's it's.
It's not something like it's,just not something that I see in
my future ever getting to apoint.
Um, you know, everywhere Ireach my goals you know it is
something that, um, yes, womencan get bulky, but you, you, you
, it's not something that we canreally do, naturally, let's,
let's talk to them.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Um, I want to back up a little bit.
Let's talk to them about how toget started.
I'll weigh in a little bit andI want you to pick up after me.
Um, I started, um, liftingweights by getting a book called
strength training anatomy andin fact, like, uh, I am going to
buy somebody that book that'swatching the episode.
So if you're the first one toput uh something in the comments
or reach out to me first, we'llmake it an Easter egg hunt.

(14:00):
Whoever I hear from first orsee from first, I'm going to buy
you this book and it's calledstrength training anatomy and
what I love about it is, um, itwill not only show you the
exercise but it also shows thesecolor diagrams about the muscle
, and it worked.
And so, basically, I had readabout like you should do.
I can't remember at the timewhat the.
It's always changing.
We know like what's therecommendations and, depending

(14:22):
on who you talk to, there'sdifferent recommendations.
We know like what's therecommendations and, depending
on who you talk to, there'sdifferent different
recommendations.
But at that time it was likethree body parts.
You know like uh, three, threesets, um, uh, 10 reps around
there, depending on what you'retrying to do.
You know I'm going to leave itright at that.
It gets more complex, right,but you basically the gist is
you go in this book and you pickout a couple exercises for your
back day, you know, for your,um, uh, leg day, that sort of

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stuff, and, um, I thought thebook was invaluable and it
really.
It really does a good job ofexplaining, and that's how I
learned to lift weights, wasthat?
And then I picked up more stuffalong the way.
Did you have somebody thattaught you how?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
you know what I did, and I was really, um, just
sticking my nose into it.
I just knew that I needed it.
Um, like I said, I was justblessed to be able to be in that
environment where it just kindof clicked in my brain Like this
is you know something that, um,it looks like it's pretty
important you know, these, thesepeople are really healthy and
that's what I want to be like.
I want to be strong andconfident, um and and

(15:27):
no-transcript the treadmill.
So I'd go every day run acouple of miles, you know, keep
my head down and you know, they,they, they really have a strong
, aesthetic looking body, likethat is coming from from weights
, like all all of them are doing.

(15:48):
Actually, a lot of them areincredibly strong.
A lot of those, those women,are really incredibly strong
doing strength training as a, asa daily um incorporation into
their, their, their workouts.
But, um, uh, you know when, whenI started incorporating, uh,
weight training, eventually I, Ipicked I mean, I just Googled
kind of you know top exercisesfor shoulders and that seemed to
be one that you know I couldhide in the corner and do the

(16:10):
free weights Right.
So I, I, I, quick, I learned afew exercises that I could
comfortably do, you know, inwhatever space in the gym, and I
would add kind of one exerciseon, you know, at a time, like as
I became you know, you knowgood and comfortable at what I
was doing, on at a time as Ibecame good and comfortable at
what I was doing, and I reallydid the same thing over time.

(16:30):
I really am a fan of if you'reuncomfortable, just baby steps
and do the same thing every time, and consistency is very
powerful when you're firststarting out.
That's one of the easiest waysto really see the results start
to come to.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
You know and that's something I definitely wanted us
to get to today too it's likeit doesn't have to be.
We're giving you the benefitsof weightlifting and I think
eventually, no matter what youdo, you should add that to your
routine.
But it's like, start with it,like we both really like to get
in the gym and hit the bag.
You know like both of us reallyenjoy that.
You hit pads with your coach,I'm sure you know, I with your

(17:10):
coach, I'm sure you know I usedto get in hit pads all the time.
Uh, you know, it's like I trainum long sword with my brother at
a medieval um martial arts gym.
You know it's like, and so like, think of things that are
things you're interested in,right, and like then, you know
like, step into the other stufftoo, because, like we're talking
about, it's like if you're outthere and, let's say, boxing's
your thing, or you know likedance or you know whatever,
you'll eventually get to thepoint where I'd like to be a
little bit better at this.
And then, if you add theweightlifting, if you add a

(17:32):
little bit of cardio to that,you will get better at it, right
.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Absolutely, and and the the whole point of longevity
and preserving age is muscle.
Muscle is what keeps us aliveand, um, you know, no, no matter
what sport you're doing, ifthere's no, um, resistance, uh
training and involved in that,and we're not, um you know,
building muscle, then then weshould be trying to incorporate
a little bit of strengthtraining into to whatever our,

(17:55):
our, sport is.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
And start by being just active.
In some yoga, you know like itstarts with being active and
finding something you like andyou'll stay with.
And then please, for the loveof the world, don't get the
worst trainer on the planet.
If you, if you get thesetrainers that kick your butt day
one, you know it's like shameon them.
You know it shouldn't be likethat.
It should be going in and goingthrough the motions.

(18:16):
That should be day one, thatshould be day two.
And then, if you're can't findsomebody that's going to be
easygoing like that on you,please go in, just play with the
machine rates, get this shrinktraining anatomy book, you know,
just go through the motions andwhat you'll find.
And anybody can go through themotions, right, it's not hard to
go through the motions.
And what you'll find is you'llget in the environment, right,
you'll start to see other people, you'll start to be like you

(18:38):
know what this is a little bit,I could do a little bit more
than this and then you'lleventually find yourself
stepping into it.
I can't stand when I hear that atrainer or a person has kicked
their own butt.
You know, like day one.
And they don't go back, right,yep, I mean I've heard trainers
going too hard, Also, trainersgoing too light.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Um, you know, I've I've had patients, you know,
really struggling with weightloss and then when we, you know,
get down to like what, what areyou doing at the gym?
And you know, I had one ladywho the trainer, um, she
recommended that she alwaysneeds to be talking, right,
Because because otherwise, like,she gets too stressed out.
So, you know, they they alwayshad to be, you know, discussing,
and, and you know, when I askedher about the intensity of her
workout, it turned out thattalking, you know, did take her

(19:16):
concentration, um, you know, outof really mentally focusing
into the workout itself.
And you know, I find thatmyself too, it's something that,
uh, you know, when you areworking out, you, you do get the
best benefits when your mindand your body is, is completely
into it and connected.
And, um, you know, sometimesdistractions, even even in life
distractions as well too, if ourmind is elsewhere, um, you know
, we, we don't get the bestbenefit of of that workout, and

(19:38):
so that that's why I love apersonal workout, to just zone
in, just talk to yourself, talkpositive to yourself and and and
grow, and, and.
Then, you know, after the gym,you know, deal with, deal with
life problems, you know,stronger than you were coming in
.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm glad you went there because it starts with the
way I said.
You know.
It's like it starts withfinding something you enjoy, you
know, and then getting a littlebit more competitive at it even
if it's personally, you knowand then involve the weight
lifting and stuff like that, um,slowly but surely, and then
you'll get to the point whereit's like you live for that
extra right.
It's like you see me in the gymand I actually get a lot of

(20:11):
problems at my weightlifting gym.
Uh, I get bullied on a littlebit there because, like, I have
a face at the gym and it's not aface against the world, it's a
face against myself, right, it'slike I'm getting through stuff
that's stressing me out, and soI don't have a very pretty face
and I stick to myself and I haveheadphones on and I'm in my own
, other world.
I listen to my instrumentalmusic and I am conquering

(20:32):
something at that moment.
And you can see that in mytraining routine too.
You know it's like, and youwill get there right.
It's like it starts with this,and then you'll get to the point
where like this can be anamazing tool.
And it starts with this, andthen you'll get to the point
where like this can be anamazing tool, and then, I don't
know, personally, I get a, I'm alittle sick.
I guess I beg for the pain,like, and it's harder and harder
to find it.
You know, because once you getused to it, it's harder and

(20:55):
harder to get there.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Sometimes it's uncomfortable at first, but then
you get to learn that.
You know pain is how you getgrowth.
You know like people can betrayyou or lie to you.
There's a lot of things.
You know someone, one of yourbest friends, can die one one
morning.
There's there's a lot of thingsthat really hurt you in life.
And, uh, the pain of theworkout doesn't seem so bad, but

(21:18):
it really does test your limitsand it teaches you.
You know one type of pain thatyou you can, um, handle Andable.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's.
It's so helpful in so many ways, and especially for business.
You're going to need it.
It's a good outlet Most.
I don't know anybody successfulthat doesn't have some sort of
fitness in their life, you knowit's.
It's a discipline thing it's.
It's so many levels you knowit's important it's so important
.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I always wondered how in in medical school you know I
was I was one of one of the fewpeople who worked out, and it
just makes you wonder.
I mean, you know such smart howis that possible?
They're such smart people youknow, they're, they're so smart
and they know how importantexercise is.
But you know, sometimes, evenknowing about it, it um doesn't
mean that you necessarilypractice it or, um, you know,
see it as something that thatyou need.

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So, um, it's, it's, it's.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
It's hard to understand that that um, that
was a big issue I had in schoolis like I was, I was in a
biochemistry track and I kepthaving professors that were
overweight and that sort ofstuff.
I'm like, look, you know thisstuff.
You know it's like how can yoube overweight?
And I, actually there was oneguy, he was like six, five
probably, huge muscular guy andhe ran this uh department that

(22:22):
actually I later did research inbecause I'm like here's a
biochemist, that practice, whichhe was a monster you know.
And so, like I ended up, uh, um, working in a spider lab for a
year, uh, studying amino acidcontent in spider silk, yeah,
and it was.
It was honestly mostly becausethis guy who was a biochemist
PhD, like he was like what Ithought you know a biochem

(22:43):
should be, and that was somebodythat like understood fitness
and was into like fitnessworkouts, that sort of stuff.
I like understanding it on avery molecular level.
You know what's going on in mybody.
I really do.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
But I often say to that that, uh, fit people are
going to be the ones who changethe world.
Fit people are the ones who aregoing to be, are are able to
take care of their own healthand handle their own businesses,
and they're the ones who arelike this is what's happening to
me and this is what everyoneelse needs to do.
So I think a lot of us are theempaths as well, too, and you
know the big farmer and you knowall the people who are, you

(23:18):
know, not, you know, justthinking about themselves and
things like that.
I think they have a lot toworry about when, when fit
people get into importantpositions.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's so important to have some fitness in your life
for so many reasons.
And you know, like here's thething too, it's like there's a
lot of kindhearted people in theworld.
You know, it's like this thingright here is is the most
beautiful thing in the world.
You know, it's like the andthere's a lot of kindhearted
people out there that maybedon't have the external power

(23:46):
yet.
Right, and that's one of thegroups of people that I'm like
trying to bring up in the worldis like you can create all this.
This can all be.
You can't create this.
You are this, you are empathy,you are caring, you are heart.
Now, just bring yourself this.
Get in the gym.
That's why I say I want to makemore kindhearted badasses.
You know, if you're akindhearted person, please get

(24:07):
in the gym.
Please take a mixed martialarts class, because the world
needs more of you.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Absolutely, and you can.
You can have the kindest heartof the world, but you know, if
you aren't a bad ass and you'renot taking care of your body,
you can.
You can get a step.
You can get walked over.
And for those of us who try toact our best and follow with a
good heart.
It's something that can be verycrushing and it takes a lot of

(24:36):
your energy, and so I recommendanyone if you want to change the
world or help people andinfluence people, we have to
take care of our body.
We, we gotta be strong becauseyou, you, you reach a lot of um,
a lot of um negative reactionswhen you're, when you're trying
to, to, to be positive.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I mean, I always give this analogy too.
It's like I've started treatingmy life as a role playing
character I don't even rememberhow many years ago and it's like
you know those video gameswhere you build the character
and then you make them chop woodand then they get better at
that and they get stronger, oryou make them lift that rock and
the strength meter goes up.
Read the book and theintelligent meter.
The second.

(25:16):
I started looking at that as mylife, my world changed right.
It's like lifting a weightchanged right.
It's like lifting a weight andI see this little bar going up
reading a book and see thislittle bar going up training
sword fighting.
You know, it's like this littlebar going up might not ever use
that, right, but it's like.
I think it's important to beconstantly building that
character because you never knowwhat comes up.
And my dad's 70 years old.

(25:38):
He got hit by a car the otherday and just walked away from it
Cause he's been like workingout.
He has a lot of muscle.
You know that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Sometimes you don't know you need it until you need
it.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Absolutely.
That's why it's it's soimportant.
So you're going to need it forbusiness.
When I'm talking about pre-workwhich I have those videos out
there I'm like pre-work forbusiness.
One of the things you need is ais a good workout routine.
Find something that will getyou started.
Yep just like a car it's.
It's so crazy to me, actually,that people know that if you've

(26:11):
got a car sitting in the garageand it's been sitting there for
10 years, and you're going to goout on a race or even take it
on a Sunday drive, you know it'slike you're going to check the
fluids, you're going to checkthe battery, you're going to,
like, check the tires.
It's like that thing's going toneed a look over before you get
it in action right, otherwiseyou can't expect it to perform,
you know, and we don't thinkabout that with our bodies, and

(26:31):
that is insane to me.
And so, dr Shell, we're goingto talk now about hormones,
blood work, that sort of stuff,which is your specialty.
What should anybody do?
Uh, especially if they'relooking at a workout routine
first.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean, you know what , when we don't have things
under the hood in line, such asour hormones, our vitamins,
certain things that are veryimportant for our metabolism, we
get weight loss resistance,which is very common.
As we age, it gets even moredifficult to control if we're
trying to play catch up.
But there are certain thingsthat if we don't have in balance

(27:09):
, you can work as hard as youwant at the gym, eat the
beautiful diet, and you'll seeno results, and it gets very
frustrating, you know andoftentimes those are the people
who are just racking their brainfor why their beautiful diet
and consistent exercise isn'thaving any effect at all, and
most often it's simple vitaminhormone deficiencies that just

(27:32):
need to be balanced out.
And so there's a certain panelof hormones in labs that I put
together over the last kind ofsix, seven years that I've just
learned that these are just thefoundational hormones and
biomarkers that we need tounderstand for people in order
to have optimal health, and I'moften the doctor that people
will come to when they're seeinga chronic disease develop in

(27:55):
the body and they're not yetready for a medication so often
conventional medicine.
Unless you're ready to pull outthat script pad, we don't really
have an explanation for thosepatients.
They're often just waiting inlimbo and left to fend for
themselves and find personaltrainers and things like that of
what they should do, butthere's no real protocol.
It might be, you know, eatwhole foods, cut out your sugar,

(28:16):
but there's no, there's no realdirection.
And you know that that's what Ireally stress in my patients
and I work for them because it'sone of those things like once
you understand the basics ofwhat you need with your health,
it's really easy to get them inline and then use the basic
natural lifestyle good exercise,healthy diet to put that all
together.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
You know, and that's so I had I'd been working out
about 26 times a week at onepoint and I started to feel a
little off 26 times a week.
Yeah, everybody wants to likecount through it, which I'm glad
to do with anybody if they wantto.
But, yeah, 26 times a week, andI was actually running a
business full time at the sametime.
But, and then other things, youknow like there's time in life.

(28:56):
You know there really is.
But so I started like I thinkthis personally.
It's like I started to feel offand I noticed that because I
was using my body at its verypeak level, right, and so I went
to several doctors and that'snot like me at all, because I'm
very doctor avoidant and theywant they wouldn't, they'd say,

(29:18):
oh no, you're getting older.
You know, it's like over andover again, like you're getting
older and you know it's like.
I finally found one doctor thatcared and listened, right, and
I won't go into the rest of thestory, but they were dead wrong
in telling me I was just gettingolder.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Absolutely.
Oftentimes we're told the storyyou're just getting older.
That's the reason for yoursymptoms, but we know how to, we
know how to fix that.
So it's not just getting older.
There there's supplements andand vitamins, and things that we
can replenish certain thingsthat we don't absorb well as we
age, certain things that we knowaren't in our diet, um, and and
so it it.

(29:49):
Um, it certainly isn't true tojust blame it on aging.
Certainly, those effects are,are maybe, um, you know, more
susceptible and more pronouncedbecause we're aging, but that
doesn't mean that we can't fixit, and and oftentimes there's
not a medication.
So maybe that's the confusion.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
um, you know that, um , well, that, that, that let's
go into that and, if you're okaywith it, like I know, you've
talked about this before, it'slike it should be malpractice if
you're not looking at bloodwork and vitamin and hormone
deficiencies before you're justgiving a drug.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I, I, I, I absolutely believe that there's certain
things that we commonly do, thatthat physicians in conventional
medicine commonly do, and it'ssupported by insurance companies
and policies, and oftentimesinsurance companies dictate how
physicians get to train andtreat patients and so oftentimes

(30:41):
, due to insurancereimbursements and poor
reimbursements for the amount oftime, it's kind of a tell me
your symptom, here's themedication and that's all that
they have time to.
So it makes sense when we allowinsurance to dictate how
providers are funded andreimbursed, and that's
unfortunate.
I think if doctors had moretime and better reimbursement
and more reimbursement forprevention, if what we actually

(31:05):
know was supported in thepolicies of insurance, then then
absolutely we would.
We would have way more peopleon fiber instead of statins.
We have way more people on, youknow, fiber and and good,
healthy diet and understandinglike what we need more in our
diet, instead of just waitingfor the metformin or, um, you
know, a blood sugar medicationto come in.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Diagnosing the kids with depression, anxiety and not
checking vitamin D levels.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Exactly, Exactly, there's.
There's so many illnesses thatwe commonly see in some of the
most common chronic conditionshigh cholesterol, high blood
sugar, insulin resistance,obesity.
A lot of those are really aquick fix and oftentimes if
you're not ready for thatprescription or you don't want
to accept that prescription yet,you're not given additional
answers.

(31:48):
It's not something that you getfive different options, it's,
it's, um, it's really a one way,or, you know, come back when
you're ready to accept your,your fate your blood work too.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's like demand your blood work and then demand more
than the basic panels Cause.
A lot of times this is just myexperience You'll.
You can weigh in on it for surebetter than I can, but it's
like my.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
In my own experience they only usually want to give
you a couple blood tests and youknow those will only tell you
so much, absolutely, and and, um, you know it's, it's, um, it's
something that a lot of theblood work that is done in your
annual labs it's just makingsure you're not going to die,
it's not making sure you'reyou're, you're healthy and
you're um, you know, it's just,it's just making sure that your
liver's good, your, your kidneysare good, um, you know.
And and then, of course, yourblood sugar and your cholesterol
, because if those get flaggedto the level that we need a

(32:35):
prescription, you really are alifelong patient.
Um and uh, you know I, I hateto say that, but unfortunately,
under insurance reimbursement,that's just the pathway that it
goes.
And, um, you know, patientsdon't get the right lifestyle
discussion of of how we can doit naturally.
And there there's, you know,naturally sounds like foo-foo,
but it's, it's not.
It's not a special supplement.

(32:56):
Um, you know that that's umtrademarked by, you know.
You know a company that Isupport, or anything it's.
You know it really is fiber.
It's why cholesterol isbuilding up.
We don't have fiber in our, inour, our food.
You know, I was thinking too,like it should be uh, something
that is is um is so, so get this.

(33:16):
This is what I think is apolicy of what it should be.
So any fast food drive-thrurestaurant, they should have to
give you a little pack ofpsyllium husk capsules.
You know they should beacknowledging that they are
making chronic.
The chronic disease epidemicjust skyrocket when we know that
of course it is a lot of fastfood and we can't just expect
people to all of a sudden, justyou know, cut out fast food.

(33:38):
You know we have to.
People are at all differentlevels and we need to take baby
steps.
And if we can get these bigcorporations who are just
feeding you know people, food,we should at least be providing
those people with the supplementto just complete the meal the
best that we can.
You know, and and and.
When you don't have a fibermeal, what that does is is
you're collecting that, thatcholesterol.

(33:58):
That cholesterol is collecting,uh, same with that blood sugar.
Your, your blood sugar isskyrocketing, your insulin is
shooting up, um, and so you needfiber to those meals.
And then, of course, you know,focus on fiber.
You know all throughout the day.
But for any meal that you don'thave fiber in, you can just
expect your cholesterol andblood sugar sugar to skyrocket.
And so more restaurants andfast foods or Uber eats, you

(34:19):
know, made it a thing like let's, let's, let's, defeat chronic
disease, like let's change it,like.
Fiber is a huge part of thatthat we don't talk about.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
We've talked about that before.
It's kind of like the idea offolks is like okay, if you're
going to have the crappy foodwhich we all know, it's like
McDonald's is not good for you,you know.
It's like uh no-transcript.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
You know, diet is something that I struggle with.
It's almost like I work out toeat what I want and sometimes
that is like McDonald's or Jackin the box, and you know I know
what's healthy for me and, andyou know, I really I really
struggle with this.
You know I get so passionateabout it because I feel like I'm
just breaking it down to thebasics.
It really is the basics and youknow, sometimes we make it

(35:13):
complicated, like it has to be afancy supplement or something
that, um, people are always likewhat hey?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Tyler, what's the three magic supplements?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah.
What's the secret for it?
And?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
supplements do like, unless it's something like Dr
Shell's like vitamin D does alot, you know.
Uh, fiber does a lot psylliumhusk, but but when you're
talking about performance supplesupplements, like we're talking
protein powders creatine is agood supplement, these are good
but we're talking about maybedoing 3% when you're at a
certain level, in my opinion.

(35:43):
What's your opinion?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Absolutely.
I mean as as a as a competitiveathlete, I've always looked for
a competitive edge um in insports.
Even even when I was competingin tennis at about 10 years old,
my parents were giving meprotein shakes, right, like
trying to help me build mymuscle, of course, like fish oil
and things like that as well.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
That was back when you had to plug your nose to
drink the protein.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Exactly.
Yeah, I mean my, my dad used tomake it in action like with ice
cream and like actually likegood, good stuff to make it.
We used to get it in a cardboardbox in the bag and you'd have
to plug your nose.
It's felt like brown eggs, yeahno, I mean, it wasn't as good
as it is now.
I do collagen protein now and Ijust mix it in warm water.
It goes down so easy, um, andso, yeah, there there, there's
so many things that, um, we canjust enhance in our diet.

(36:25):
You can eat a healthy diet allday long, but if you want to
optimize and be the best of thebest, there's always more that
you can can add into it, and soI I do love supplements.
I love supplements cause we canget a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, some, but that's a, that's a bonus to the
basics of having a, having a adecent workout routine, having a
decent diet, you know, and likemy thing is it's like if you're
going to eat, eat.
You know, just get some goodstuff in there too.
You know, it's like that's mypoint to dieting and stuff like
that.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
We're all at different levels, so we just
have to understand the basicsand try to see how we can
incorporate that.
But there's certain things that, um, that uh, we don't just get
to cross off right.
We there's a certain amount offiber that we need.
If you can't get any in yourdiet, you have to add it in.
There's a certain amount ofprotein that we need.
If you can't get it in yourdiet, we just have to get it in.
So a lot of us adults just needto, you know, do a diet diary
and and and really calculate howmuch are we getting and then

(37:17):
and then be honest withourselves and supplement if
you're not getting it.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, and there's a vast difference.
Folks in, like what Dr Shell istalking about, as far as and
our sports supplements right, ifyou take a creatine supplement
and just sit here, it's notreally going to do that much for
you.
You have to be actively doingall these other things.
And so I deal with a lot ofpeople that are like, what's the
magic supplement?
And there is no magicsupplement right, but there is
supplementation.
That's why it's a supplementright To all these other things.

(37:42):
Or Dr Giselle's talking more oflike a supplement that's like
health, you know, it's likepsyllium husk, vitamin D, you
know, these are things that,like, you need anyway.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Absolutely, and very inexpensive as well too.
Psyllium husk, vitamin D, evenvitamin B12.
I love for saving our nervesand preventing neurological
conditions like Alzheimer's anddementia.
Uh, you know, and and again,like something that's very
difficult to get in our diet.
Um, and so, like I said, like,if you, you know meal plan,
there's absolutely a way thatyou can make a beautiful diet,
and if you're doing that, thenawesome, maybe you don't need

(38:13):
supplements.
Um, but um, in reality, it'sjust, it's just, that's just not
the case, and so we just needto acknowledge that.
And um, you know, I always saythe basics.
The basics need to be in linefirst, which is, you know,
usually comes from fiber.
And then you have certainvitamins and, you know, if we're
above an age you're usuallyabove age 40, there's certain
hormones that start to declineand, you know, sometimes they

(38:35):
come to the point where, nomatter how much zinc or
magnesium or natural vitaminsthat you take to stimulate your
natural production of certainhormones, we do get to a certain
age where it's like knocking ona door that nobody's going to
answer.
You can take all the naturalstuff to stimulate production,
but eventually the ovaries, theyjust shut down and and your
testicles, they, they, they justshut down, like you're, you're
just not producing thosehormones.

(38:56):
You know that we've had ourwhole life and we're we're
living longer than we ever hadbefore.
So it makes sense, um, you knowthat our, our organs are, you
know, kind of tapping out beforeyou know we're ready to go, and
so, um, yes, like you can getthrough naturally and live a
healthy life.
But when we're talking aboutquality of life, um, supportive
of certain hormones that arejust vital to the human body,
are, are, you know, just justjust needed and and and not

(39:19):
everybody needs that.
There are some patients that'swhy labs are so important.
There are some, some women whoare deep into menopause and
their hormones are awesome andand, and they just need, you
know, some vitamin D, vitaminB12, support, just just the
basic vitamins.
So, you know, not hormone,hormone therapy isn't required
for everyone, but it's all basedon labs and interpreting the
reference ranges appropriately.
So reference ranges aren't justokay, you're good.

(39:41):
Um, sometimes it needs to be ina certain range of that
reference range to, to, to, tohave optimal health.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
That's that I'm glad you went there, because it's
like the reference races ingeneral and help me weigh in on
this.
It's like they're going to say,like this is normal, you know,
let's say one 75 is normal, butthey're going to call that
normal from anywhere from a 14year old man kid to a 90 year
old man and then the othervariants.
That people don't take intoaccount is we're all different

(40:10):
beings, you know.
So my base level for somethingis completely different than you
know some other man's baselevel, you know, even at my age
size, whatever you know, we'redifferent and our base levels
are different, but the systemweigh in on this more than me
weighing in on it, because thesystem is built in this like to
fit in this perfect box, butwe're all different individuals.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Absolutely.
The reference ranges are reallycomparing the whole average
population together.
Yes, and you know it's veryserious because once you pop out
of those ranges for the onesthat are very important, once
you pop out of those ranges likeit's a big deal, like it's not
just you know, oops, like I'mout of the range, like, for
example, like low vitamin D,vitamin d, like we're talking,
like like that's the level thatpeople get osteoporosis.

(40:51):
So, yeah, that that's a bigdeal.
It's not just.
You know the autoimmunecondition, the depression and
the anxiety, and you knowallergies and poor.
You know just, just justfeeling like crap.
It's actually like holes in thebones are growing with that
number.
So it doesn't take a genius toassume that maybe we should be
way on the higher end range toeven get we don't want to be

(41:13):
anywhere close to theosteoporosis range, right, and
we're learning to that, like youknow.
The next kind of you know youknow 10, 20 points up for
vitamin D we're still in, likethe cancer and autoimmune range,
you know.
So it's like we need to get up.
But there's certain referenceranges that just I mean some
reference ranges take five, 10years to even change.

(41:34):
It's, it's things that we know,but it you got to get the right
stamp of approval and there's alot of conflict of interest in
certain reference ranges, umthat, um, you know it's it's
hard to to get the rightinformation out there.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I really want you to get out of that.
Part of this is get in, getsome blood work done, complete
hormone workup.
Pass the basic ones that theywant to give you.
Fight for those things.
Know that the basic referenceranges, especially if you don't
have a doctor that reallyspecializes, like Dr Shell.
Does Dr Shell's thinking out ofthe box a little bit, like
we've just discussed.

(42:01):
Hopefully we didn't go too deepin the weeds because Dr Shell
and I are kind of science nerds,you know, and so what you need
to get is like there's peoplethat know how to analyze it
really well, like Dr Shell, andthere's people that are doctors
that haven't been involved in itas much and they're going to
use those charts Right, and soreally fight for that.
Know about vitamin Ddeficiencies, because almost

(42:21):
everybody is, especially if youhave melanin in your skin.
So black people, hispanic,people you know skin, so black
people, Hispanic people, youknow it's like you're especially
susceptible to vitamin Dproblems, Right, and so you're
going to need to supplement moreand pay attention to that more,
even more, and I see, like allthe white population in Arizona
is, is, is is very, very low,don't care how much you tan.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Exactly, and so the more melanin that you have, the
even lower that that patientsare, and so I really think, like
it's, it's, it's a state ofemergency.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
It's a game changer and break it down really quick.
Vitamin D deficiency it's doesso much.
Give them a couple that likethey'll feel different if
they'll, Absolutely I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Vitamin D is something that it is important
for almost every process in yourbody, and without it, almost
all of your hormones can't beproduced to appropriate levels,
and so, uh, low testosteroneproduction, uh, a lot, a lot of
times just low serotonin anddopamine which I always like to
talk about, because you needvitamin d for even the synthesis

(43:21):
of those hormones that umanxiety without them, we get
anxiety and depression.
Yeah, Um and uh, you know,vitamin, vitamin D is is very
important for inflammation andautoimmunity.
The first thing that we do forcancer patients is we get to the
high end range.
We get cancer patients 80 to100.
Yep, Um, you know, at that, atthat high end range, because we,
we need the immune support thatthat vitamin D does for that.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Um, there's, there's, um, you know, of course, bone
production, bone protection aswell too, Um, but, um, if I like
Dr Shell, she'll go on for 40minutes on vitamin D, and we got
more stuff to get to you.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
There's a whole list of vitaminD.
Essentially, it's really a partof everything and it really
does shut down.
You know almost every processand we're just not in the sun
Like we used.
We're not in the sun like weused to be.
Um, it's the technological ageand and we're just not getting
vitamin D.
And, and, to top that off, themore body fat we have, it even
goes down, and so you know,obesity is is a problem and um,

(44:17):
that even makes the vitamin D godown even lower, and so it's
just um inflammation, weightgain and and weight loss.
Resistance is another thingwith with vitamin D is you just,
no matter how hard you work outor exercise, if you're low, you
know weight loss is verydifficult.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
There's a huge chance you're getting diagnosed right
now with depression or anxietyand it's actually a vitamin D
deficiency, and so I want you toget hormone workup.
Especially if you're thinkingabout business, that sort of
stuff, it's like you need thisavatar, no matter what you're
going to need in business.
Let's, let's, let's scoot overto stress and some of the most
stressed out people we've talkedabout this before that come

(44:50):
into your clinics uh, first linedefenders, right Police
officers, uh, firemen andentrepreneurs.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yep, yep, I mean I, yeah, I have a lot of, I mean, I
have a lot of busy, uh,business owners and, you know,
moms as well too.
Um, you know, stress is, stressis a big thing and um, it's,
it's, um, it's largelyunavoidable.
We all live, live prettydemanding lives and, um, you
know, stress is something that,uh, of course, like without the

(45:20):
foundational hormones andvitamins in line, it's one of
those things that I see it'svery difficult to tolerate
stress, um, if you don't havegood vitamin D, good vitamin B12
, if you're depressed.
That that makes stress even.
You know, it makes you go downdown the rabbit hole a little
bit more.
Stress leads to depression,anxiety and fatigue.
It really shuts your body down.
So it's, it really is, itreally is a whole cycle.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Um, you're going to, you're going to have it in
business too.
It's like business and stressgo together.
I don't care what they tell youonline.
Like business and stress gotogether.
I don't care what they tell youonline.
It is not all working a couplehours, vacationing all the time.
No, it's dealing with sickanxiety, stress in your stomach,
especially when you first startyour business.
And so that's why I wanted togo into this fitness stuff,

(46:02):
because you need a good outletfor it.
And what people don't realizeabout stress and this is the way
I think about it is like weknow about the fight or flight
of an animal, right Like therabbit that's getting chased by
the Hawk, and what's actuallyhappening biochemically in their
body is everything is shuttingdown except the essentials to
survival at that point.
And what stress is is it's kindof a similar reaction that
we're having to the world andwhat that's doing when we're in

(46:25):
those stress states.
It's shutting a lot, a lot ofthose in that moment, emergency
reactors down.
So like things like digestion,things like sleep fertility
fertility periods, kind of shutoff during stress.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
So, yeah, it definitely affects the body and
you know, stress, stress is veryum unique for all in in how
they process it.
Um, but um, yeah, certainly,foundational health and exercise
and the basic lifestyles thoseit Um.
But um, yeah, certainly,foundational health and exercise
and the basic lifestyles thosehelp.
Um, I do think that stress is,um you know, very important to
work on your internal dialogueas well too.
Um, you know a lot of thingsand a lot of problems can be

(47:01):
intensified if we're, you know,not talking positively to
ourselves and just being awareof how we talk to ourselves.
Um, so I I do believe um that,uh, you know controlling your
mind and you know being able toseparate, you know emotions and
and you know objective thingsand, um, you know being able to
compartmentalize things you knowreally helps to to process

(47:21):
stress.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
You know it's crazy.
There's those stories that wehear about the person like
lifting a car off their kid youknow, in the right scenario.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
It's like these super human things and we don't think
the mind's powerful I went tothis um, some some kind of, uh,
um, asian practice and they weredoing like, crazy, like you
know, crazy, uh, physical feats,and one of them he died.
It was like a car and it was aa rope that he tied on his.
I don't know where he tied like, but on his private parts oh no

(47:49):
pulling the the car likeshowing like mind over matter
yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
I mean it's impressive, but it's like
drastic, but it does show whatthe mind can do.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
And so like and we've talked about this a little bit,
just you and I offline, youknow it's like, uh, having power
of that mind, the things you'resaying to your mind, because
your mind is so powerful.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Exactly.
I think it really transforms it, even when you're having a bad
day or thinking negativethoughts sometimes.
I just like to say I'm thankfulfor X, y and Z Just list a
couple of things that I'mthankful for in that moment and
something as simple like that.
If you practice it, it reallydoes have some sort of energetic
effect and it just helps theslightest bit Sometimes when

(48:31):
you're on those moments.
The slightest bit of help fromany type of technique that
you're doing is worth it.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, and that's another tie-in to the fitness
stuff too.
It's like getting those littlewins.
You know like that's a mentalthing.
You know, for me at this pointand I know you're competing so I
know it's a little bitdifferent for you but my whole
workout thing is for here.
It's not for the arm, it's notfor you know it's, it's it's for
my mind.

(48:56):
I need it.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
You know it's like I agree and and uh, one of the
things is when you're, whenyou're at the gym and you're
really pushing yourself andreally testing yourself and
sometimes failing at at weightsthat you thought you could have
done.
That kind of practice sets youup for success in life in
general.
You're going to meet challengesand you're going to know what
your limits are.
You've already tested yourlimits and you're ready for a
challenge.
And every challenge youapproach with a little bit more

(49:21):
growth and how you learned it,if you approach it in those
positive ways.
There's certain challenges thatwe can't get around and we know
we've got to face and, um, youknow, just just prepping
ourselves and talking toourselves that you know this,
this is how we grow um, you know, is a really good approach for
those things.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
You know there's certain things I'd love to thank
my younger me for.
There's certain things I'd liketo kick his ass over too.
But like a couple of things arelike starting weightlifting.
You know it's like people arealways like Tyler 26 workouts a
week and you're like, but here'sthe thing.
I never looked back at lastweek and said, damn, I wish I
would have watched more TV.

(49:56):
But am I looking back at like30 years, whatever now and said
glad I picked up that weight,I'm glad I hit that?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I mean, tell me some things.
I mean I say like going intothe gym and and eventually
transitioning to strengthtraining was, was the best
decision I ever made in my life.
It's, it's.
I'm a completely differentperson inside.
I have the same heart.
Um, I always say like I, I havethe same heart.

(50:25):
Ever since I was a child, I, I,I and I've I've always had an
internal dialogue, talk to'twant to say, because there's
challenges in life, there's alot of things that I know are
coming, and every day I'm justpreparing for those challenges
and to me, that's fun.
I have the brain that I love achallenge and I'm very patient.
And what else in life is thereexcept for to push yourself and

(50:48):
be the best person that you canbe and and and inspire and help
people around you?
That, to me, that that's reallyfun.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
What are some other things you'd thank your younger
self for doing, getting involvedwith?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Um, you know what, um , for my younger self, um, um,
you know what I?
I guess I I've always had myown mind.
You know, I, I've, I've, I'veunderstand, I've understood
rules and I've understood, youknow, um, you know what is meant
, but I've always, you know,just um, just, been open to
different perspectives.
I think, um, you know,sometimes when you're growing up

(51:19):
, you can become attached to youknow how your, you know your
parents and your environment andwhat beliefs and things that
they have.
And you know, so, for some ofus, we're good with learning
that and we don't want to learnanything else.
And you know, I think, a bigchange in my adult life.
I moved to the States to pursuemixed martial arts and, you know
, get into pre-med and startthose journeys and you know, I

(51:42):
think it really opened my eyesto move to America.
I had, you know, a completedifferent perspective growing up
in Canada and I almost had adistaste for Americans, and out
of no experience of my own, justmy upbringing and, of course, 6
pm CNN every night definitelypersuades that.
But I'm very proud of myselffor always being open.

(52:03):
I've always been open to learnand learn other people's
feelings, and there's people whofeel, you know, different than
than what I can feel, but I'mI'm always willing to understand
, and I think that's what makesme a really good doctor too.
You know, I I might not be thesmartest doctor, um, but um, I
put my whole heart into it, I'mvery passionate about it.

(52:23):
I treat my patients like family, and, you know, I think about
my patients.
I'm constantly thinking abouthow I can improve and help, and
you know that's um.
You know, a part that I reallylove about myself.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I have a doctor that changed my life, you know, and
when everybody was telling methat I was just getting old and
that sort of stuff, and maybeyou know, and it's like, and it
was cause she cared, it camedown to cause she cared.
You know, there is what Ibelieve um a cheat code Like.
If you really want to like,look into a cheat code and
you're looking for that in lifeand I know a lot of you aren't

(52:56):
going to like what I'm about tosay but not doing drugs, not
smoking and not drinking alcohol, that's the cheat code.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yep, I believe it.
I believe it.
Things that keep you in realityand and just make you feel the
process, make you go through theprocess and feel it, um,
absolutely and um, yeah, I meanlife's, life's a challenge and
it really is a blessing.
When you embrace the challenge,it really is a lot of fun and
you know, it feels daunting, butwhen, when you you take the

(53:28):
first step and get into it andand just make it your goal, like
this is my life, it's it's alot of fun, it's it's it's it's
a lot of fun to believe inyourself and to challenge
yourself and you don't put anypressure on yourself.
And you know, take people'sopinions for what it is, but you
know, just understand theopinion that you have of
yourself is the most important.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
You know a lot of people, a lot of our friends
that you trained at ACS too, youknow, it's like a lot of those
guys.
We'd run um a mountain together.
I kill those guys on a, youknow, and they'd be always like
Tyler, how do you do it?
How do you do it?
You know?
It's like I remember when I wasa kid we went and we were
rolled a roller coaster.
I was like four years old and Iwas so afraid and my dad goes

(54:07):
um, tell it to go faster.
I'm here, I am so afraid andhe's like tell it to go faster,
you know.
And it's like, and that's whatI used to do when I would work
out, you know, and like it feltlike I would run that hill or
hit the bag or whatever, and I'dsay more, give me more pain,
you know.
And it felt like when it was myidea it was more controllable,

(54:29):
you know, and then like that wassomething that made it like
possible to do more than Iusually expected I could do.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think we all have differentways that we, uh, you know, talk
to ourselves when we're doing,um, you know, different, um,
different competitions.
So I mean, I, I definitely havea way to talk to myself as as
well too, and and it certainlyis, you know part of just like
you could dig deeper, likeyou've got this.
You know, feeling, feeling,just feeling my whole body.
I love feeling my whole bodyand you know, as I'm running,
like trying to somehow likechange the energy, like you know
, I try to be in touch with myenergy and and you know, just um

(55:01):
, I'm, I'm very imaginative.
I've, I've definitely kept myimagination since I was a kid,
and I feel that that's verypowerful when you, when you do
difficult things that, um, youknow, not, not not many people
do, it is something that youhave to have an imagination to
to really see yourself.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
you know, going past and being you totally do and
like what's amazing is like theright song.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Cause.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
We've all seen movies and we're feeling so motivated
by the movie Cause the music'shitting right, the scene's
hitting right, and like if youdo that, you could almost do
that in the gym.
And you know, and for me, likeanother thing that's been
inspiring throughout my life islike everybody telling me I
can't do something, or I'll bethere on the pull up bar and
like Tyler doesn't want to doanother pull up, and then I'll
think to myself I'm like Tyler,they wouldn't want you to do

(55:41):
another pull up.
All these people that treatedyou unfair, your competitors or
whatever, they wouldn't want youto do another pull up either.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
That's what helps me get that last pull.
It is really strange, actuallya so like when I had my first
fight.
You know I only told, like twofriends, I didn't really tell
people because it was like I'venever fought before, like I
don't want to, you know, but Ididn't realize it was going to
be on TV and big, a big thing.
I didn't really look into it.
Right, I was, you know.

(56:08):
I accepted the fight 12 dayslater and didn't.
I watched UFC with my buddies.
That was the time where ChuckLiddell and Tito Ortiz all those
guys were really big in.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
UFC.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
All my friends we'd watch the UFC fights and all my
friends were like, oh, we canfight.
You know how guys were?
I was just the quiet one,thinking to myself I could
probably fight too.
They were good.
So it just fell in my lap.
But I do remember that rightafter that I did that, I was hit
with, back to back, just justnegativity.

(56:38):
I had never experiencednegativity like that before and
it just it just clicked on methat you know I must be doing
something right.
You know, like I, you know I Ioperate with a good heart and
there's no reason why I shouldbe getting this hate Like I'm.
You know, I always thought likeI'm a good person.
Like you know, I wanted toinspire women to.
You know, it doesn't matter,just get get yourself to a gym,

(57:00):
like go train, like get in there.
This is booming for women.
We can all do it, you know, andI wanted to be that female to,
to get everyone to get into it.
And you know, I did get somefemales you know, so it just it
kind of just kind of turned onme.
And you know, fighting is um,you know it's, it's an
aggressive sport.
So if you, if you um, translateit in your mind as something,

(57:21):
as a hateful, you knowaggression thing, then then then
maybe that can come like that.
But, um, yeah, it's, it's, um.
I never experienced so muchnegativity, um, you know, as, as

(57:42):
um, you know, I, I, you know,even even to this day, sometimes
, I'll, you know, tell it at theright time, or tell it to, you
know, the, the, the, the rightmoment.
You know, I feel the energy ofthe person that I'm talking to
and see if that would besomething that they would be
interested in before I just dropit.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
You know I have times in life where I'm like where's
my tribe?
Where are these kind-heartedbadass people that deep down in
they are caring, they're kind,but they're still the people.
You wouldn't want to run into adark alley.
You don't want to run into DrShell in a dark alley like, but
there's still the people youwouldn't want to run into a dark
alley.
You don't want to run into DrShell in a dark alley.
You know it's like, and andwhat's amazing about this show
is like it does build my tribe,because I have people like you

(58:24):
that are kind people, you know,and you know squally, you know,
or or the judge that was just on.
Everybody in a certain way istheir own version of a kind
hearted badasses, and thatthat's what I love about this
show.
Um, I hope today that you gotsomething out of this, because
having any lofty goal in life isgoing to need a big avatar and,

(58:45):
uh, you know, and I don'tnecessarily mean in size, you
know it's going to be somebodythat's capable of the task,
capable of the race, and you'regoing to need it for your
business, I promise you rightnow.
So get a healthy outlet ifyou're thinking about business,
but in life, you know it'll makeit better in every single way.
So take homes today.
What I really want you to getfrom Dr Shell is get a workout

(59:07):
program in some way, shape orform.
Get in there right, I also getout there and get a hormone
workup.
I don't care what age you are,you know.
Get that complete check done,just like the car sitting in the
garage, you know.
Find out everything that'sgoing on, because the more
optimally you're running, themore all this stuff works, you
know?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
And then on top of that, vitamin D um psyllium husk
, positive mindset positivemindset is important for anyone
who's starting out or anyone whowants to continue.
This is a this is a lifelonggoal.
Fitness is a lifelong goal.
Um, and just just preservingyour health and health and
longevity it is, is is alifelong goal, and the sooner we
realize that and get into itlike, the more you will look

(59:46):
back one day and thank yourself.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
There's, uh, something I want to leave you
with today, and it is if yourheart's in the right place and
you fear it, then you have to doit.
And I know a lot of you fearthe gym, right, but imagine
building your avatar intosomebody that's more capable.
So if your heart is in theright place in something and you

(01:00:09):
fear it, it is the ultimate ingrowth.
Step in the gym tomorrow.
If you're in Phoenix, let meknow I'll step in there with you
.
Dr Shell, will you know?
We'll get you past the frontgate and get you started.
Same time hit me up aboutstrength training anatomy.
I think it's a great book.
They don't pay me for any ofthat.
I just that's what I use tostart, and we'll see you next

(01:00:30):
time.
I hope this was a fulfillingepisode for you, Dr Shell.
Thanks so much for coming.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Thanks so much, I appreciate it, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
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