Fusing Grit and Grace: Barbie the Welder's Journey Through Metal and Mindsets

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome to Underdogs, bootstrapers and Game
Changers.
This is for those of you thatare starting with nothing and
using business to change theirstars, motivating people who
disrupted industry standards.
This is the real side ofbusiness.
This isn't Shark Tank.
My aim with this podcast is totake away some of the imaginary

(00:22):
roadblocks that are out there.
I want to help more underdogs,because underdogs are truly who
change the world.
This is part of our Content forGood initiative.
All the proceeds from themonetization of this podcast
will go to charitable causes.
It's for the person that wantsit.
Hello and welcome to anotherepisode of Underdogs,

(00:43):
bootstrapers and Game Changers.
I am so excited about the guestswe have today.
I actually have been followingher for quite a few years and
before I dive into what sheactually does and how amazing
she actually is, I want toactually get a chance, before I
forget, to say a personal thankyou, because when I first
started doing anything to dowith filming video, it was

(01:05):
actually a video about our firstbusiness that my business
partner talked us into.
Barbie saw the video somehow.
I don't know how.
I don't know if she evenremembers this, but she told me
I was her spirit animal whenyou're fearing something and
coming into something andsomebody as cool as Barbie tells
you that.

(01:26):
That stuck with me.
I think it's led to medeveloping a little bit of
confidence.
Starting now, three podcasts.
I can't thank Barbie enough forthat.
She is absolutely amazing.
She is a blue collar hero in anindustry traditionally not with
females.
These days she's reinventingthe industry.
Amazing artist, she's got fivebooks.

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Passionate about changing theworld and has a heart to do so.
I want to welcome on Barbie thewelder.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Thank you so very much for the bottom of my heart.
I'm going to cry through thiswhole thing and keep talking
like that.
Wow, thank you, thank you.
I definitely have found someamazing spirit animals out there
.
When I find people, it gives megoosebumps, oh my gosh.
When I find people who justspeak to me creatively, I just

(02:16):
got to let them know.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I appreciate it more than you know.
I made it a.
It's not so comfortable,especially like I'm not that
macho of a guy but for like usguys that like aren't really
good with the feeling stuff, butlike I've made it a point now
to like, no matter howembarrassed I'm going to be
about it, if I think somethingnice of somebody, I say it right
.
And it was that little nicecomment.

(02:39):
You never know the resoundingeffect like that it's had on my
life.
Give me a little bit moreconfidence.
This stuff still scares theheck out of me, but I think it's
important that people like youare out there and then maybe to
a lesser extent me and you knowtalking about good stuff in the
world.
We just talked about the news,right, you know like the bad

(02:59):
news that's on there, you know,and so like I think there needs
to be more people in the worldspreading good things, you know,
like talking about kindness,like talking about you know the
impacts of the average humancitizen that's doing something
amazing, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, it's so simple to be kind.
Yeah, just hold your door forsomeone or smiling at someone
walking by, like making eyecontact, and look at them.
You have no idea what humansare going through.
We all suffer from the humancondition, which is, you know
people get sick, you know peopleget hurt, people die, like
things happen and you know.

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You just never know what peopleare going through one way,
shape or form or another.
And just sometimes, just thatkind word or that smile, you
literally you could be changingsomeone's life, or you don't
know, and it doesn't matter ifit's received or not you feel
good about yourself doing it,and that right there is just
you're.
You know you're feeling morelove in yourself, which you know

(03:57):
it goes out.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, well, and you think of it, we see those sci-fi
movies and stuff and you knowwhere they keep their eyes open
and they like make them watchall this awful stuff in the
world.
Like I think that's happeningsometimes and so that's why when
I like watch what you're doingand like you're out there and
you're putting out content andbeautiful art in the world and
you're not that right, you'resomething that's good, that's

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out there, that people can feelgood about, and you know and
like your story isn'ttraditional either.
You know you're getting into anindustry that you know,
traditionally women haven'tgotten into, and you know, could
you tell me a bit about, like,what gave you a passion to
actually proceed towards thatand was there a fear that, like
you couldn't do it at first?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
No, I was deeply blessed with my father, who was
a diesel mechanic.
He was actually a tin knockerback when I was a kid and I
didn't know it until later on Igot into welding and I yeah
story for another day, but hewas, but you know when I was
where I remembered, like youknow, when I remember my dad was
a diesel mechanic for the armyand so he would, you know, fix

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these trucks and the hemmets andthe Humvees, and I was a deuce
and a half, and he would driveto the house to test drive them
and then, like my brother, wouldgo for a ride.
And so, like I grew up in big,gnarly diesel trucks got a
little bit older and I couldpossibly test drive some of them
with them.
And so I just, I've been aroundmechanics my life, my entire
life, but the smell of thegarage is home for me, like,

(05:23):
give me all of that.
And later on, when I foundwelding, which I was a mechanic
for years Okay, I was a aboutseven years I was in the
industry.
I went to Bosie's for it inhigh school for one year I
fought tooth and nail to get in.
They I told my counselor ninthgrade I wanted to be a mechanic

(05:43):
and they were like, don't youthink you'd be happier in
cosmetology or cooking?
Okay, this is still like thefancest my hair gets.
It's not my jam and like, yeah,it's great for some people.
They definitely want someonewho knows what they're doing to
cut my hair.
But as far as you know andthere's an art that goes into
that Holy cow, I tried doing itmyself once, Not really yeah.

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It was a time saver.
It was not a good idea, but Ijust I had to fight to get in.
It took me to my senior year toget in.
I only got one year of that,which by that time, I actually
was a single mom of between my11th and 12th grade year.
I had my son and he went toschool with me and I went to

(06:27):
auto mechanics half a day, whichwas just.
I was so grateful, I was sohappy, and then get out and then
couldn't afford being a singlemom.
I was low income which thereare single moms out there who
aren't low income and I've hadsome realizations about myself
as I've gotten older not moremature, but older.
But, yeah, like at the time Iwas like I thought that's what

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it was and I thought you know,being a single mom, that I would
have low income and so I livedinto that.
I did go to college for automechanics.
I had to fight to pay for it.
I really just wasn't in a goodposition.
I got a couple of loans but itwasn't enough and then by the
third semester I couldn't affordit and dropped out but was in

(07:10):
the industry to get.
I got hired at Sears as Bostontires and brakes and I've done
everything from sell cars towrench on them, which selling
cars is.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
No thanks, it was definitely like hey, you know
what this engine can do.
I'm like no one cared about theengine, they wanted the new car
.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
And I'm like it goes well.
It just wasn't a good fit forme, but.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean like I was a mechanic before.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I was a welder and so being brought up by my dad, who
never treated me different.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
There was me and my brother.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
My brother went and cooked with my mom and also he's
an amazing wrench withmotorcycles and I never learned
to cook with my mom, but whichmy dad's a great cook also.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
We weren't treated different.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
There weren't like boy roles and girl roles and so
I just completely just was likeI never like.
It never dawned on me thatother girls didn't wrench and
love the smell of you know, gasand oil and burning tires.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, I've noticed that you've been a part of some
pretty big car builds these daystoo, haven't you?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I have not.
I've been sitting quietly in myshop Actually.
I did work on a couple of.
I worked with Bogey Latiner afew years ago, 2017.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I think that's what I read about, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
So that was 2017.
I'm like I have time flies, butyeah, that was a 57 Chevy
pickup truck, that Bogey.
She got the truck and thenbrought women from all over the
country that like to introducethem into the trades.
It was a brilliant, brilliantproject that I was blessed to be
a part of.
For a month I lived in hergarage like no kidding.

(08:48):
She had a little bunk house andI lived there.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'm like I'm blushing , I'm like I got to live in a
garage for a month I welded onthis truck and it was.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I did a lot of work on it.
It was unfair.
Like many women did a lot ofwork on it, but it was to
introduce women to the skilledtrades.
So there was people who hadnever like even picked up a
wrench and didn't know what onewas.
And then there were reallyskilled, and so we all taught
each other and learned from eachother, and it was.
They gave me a tribe of ladiesthat I didn't know exist because

(09:20):
I have usually been like theonly girl usually.
Yeah, so it's changing.
Thank you, social media.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I think the world's wide open for women in the
skilled trade industry.
You know, like I'm a bigproponent of the great idea can
come from anywhere in ourbackground, kind of
interdisciplinary thinking,right, like if your background
is different than mine, then youcome with a different set of
talents and mindset andframework to a problem, and I
think that there's a tremendousamount of talent and art that

(09:50):
could be brought from women.
And actually I tried to at onepoint in one of my businesses I
really had the idea to a lot ofwomen go to design school, right
, and they learned to sew andthey learned to design.
And you know things of thatnature and you probably know
this, the upholstery industry isa dying art.
There's almost, you know,there's not very many good
upholsterers left in the worldaround automotive, you know, and

(10:11):
so I think it's something thatneeds to be reintroduced,
because I think that conveyanceis going to go that way,
actually more towards interiors,and I would love to see more
women, you know, especiallycoming from design institutes
and things like that, giventheir play on upholstery.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh, I would love that .
I literally just talked to myfavorite upholsterer yesterday
who was up in horse heads, newYork at Flyboy Custon.
I'm going to give a littleshout out because he's going to
be doing the interior of my carsomeday.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Nice I'm so stoked.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I totally agree with you.
The art behind that, oh mygoodness, oh, just so incredible
.
I love fashion too, which likedon't judge.
I mean like watching peopledesign clothing Just a huge fan
of that, like the clothing, andlike I recently found a woman on
Instagram who is doingmotorcycle seats.

(11:01):
I wish I could come up with hername, but it's been a while
I've not.
I've been working and like Ihad to head down working and not
really doing too much stuffother than that.
So I'm a little bit but yeah,like I'm following her so she's
doing like this, sewing on it,and you know it's amazing, you
sit your buns down on somethingand you have no idea all the

(11:22):
craftsmanship that went intothat thing.
You know, until you watch, likehow it's made.
Do you see an Instagram or aTikTok video?
Or you know, on Facebook orwherever you see a video of
someone creating, it's like, ohmy goodness.
You know I pick up tools everyday and use them and you know,
like even as a craftsman, I justdon't always stop and think
about the work and the detailsthat went into creating that,

(11:46):
just thinking up that idea andthen creating that with it.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's beautiful what humans can do and you know,
whether you probably know it ornot, you know it's like I love
history, right, go to Egypt andgo to.
I was just in Greece for quitea while and you know, you see,
what humans have built.
As far as art, you know, andit's like you're building that
art right now.
Like how do you feel to likethink that, like something you
built could be like around in athousand years?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
But I do, I do think on that very much.
I did not like history inschool.
I didn't like school in school.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Me neither, not at first.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, literally say I'm like I watched, like the
rise and fall of the RomanEmpire last night, like that's
what I'm watching and I'm likethat's.
It is like the things thatpeople created like back before.
You know, like we're blessedwith technology.
You know I want to see a humanface.
I can like Google it and getreal close and I can see how the
cheek is shaped.
I mean I can copy it.

(12:44):
Yeah, but like the technologyand how easy that is and like to
pick up a well and just plug itinto the wall and the
electricity, like so lucky.
But yeah, the going to placesand seeing what people made and
like the history of it.
I got to see mummies at amuseum down in Miami a few weeks
ago and like Egyptian mummiesand to think again like this is

(13:06):
people's artwork.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And yeah, I am very cognizant today.
I haven't always been like.
I definitely really.
I don't know I'm a new personevery day and learn so much
stuff I feel like just every day.
But, yeah, thinking about likewhat I'm doing now, like yeah, I
mean it's possible that it'saround and like, and that people

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think about me, like they thinkof Bob Ross or Michelangelo,
like I'm like this ispossibilities, because they're
human and so am I and so and soam I, and that possibility
exists for me, and even if itdoesn't like exist out in the
world, like if it exists up here.
if I have a possibility up here,then that exists in the world,

(13:50):
because I brought a lot of stufffrom up here to here, you know,
from nothing to something, andso I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I couldn't agree more , you know.
So part of my hippie hypothesisis and I don't know how many
times I've shared it on thisshow but it's like so, people
that come from tough backgrounds, underprivileged backgrounds,
poverty, you know they quiteoften they don't make it,
unfortunately.
You know there's really bigstats around that.
But the ones that do and that'swhy I'm in passion about

(14:19):
bringing more underdogs to theworld because the underdogs are
the ones that change the worldright and, like you, keyed in on
it perfectly.
I think it's just seeing itpossible.
The problem is, if you're raisedin the struggle, people around
you are in the struggle.
You never see the lawyer that'sthe normal dude.
The doctor that's the normaldude, you know.
It's like that's part of whatthis program is about is like
showing you know like peoplethat are underdogs like you can

(14:43):
absolutely do everything andactually not to dissuade too
much.
But adversity is a key.
The ability to overcomeadversity is a key indicator of
success, and so people, believeit or not, that come from
struggles are actually moreequipped for success.
Problem is they let the worlddestroy them first.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
It's literally a book that I wrote that I can't
repeat the words.
That's got a big old squareroot in the cover up, but it's
called.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I was going to ask you about it today.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, it's sitting up here above me.
It is completely not reallylike what saved me.
And I didn't understand it as Iwas doing it, I in the book, I
tell people like, explain itlike the worse your life is, the
more fuel you have for success,the more successful you can be,
and it's just, it's kind of anoxymoron, but it really is true.

(15:30):
It's like if the more peoplethat have told me, no, it's just
more fuel for like, I will showyou, like okay, like, please,
please, please, because it'sjust, yeah, it's just one more
person I'm just going to, youknow.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
How did you so?
I went through like I'm readingparts of your book and I'm like
this lady gets it right, it'slike I get it.
You know she's speaking to metoo, because I went the same way
.
It's like tell me, no, I'll beout there tomorrow, I'll be
doing it.
You know, if I have to work 24hours a day to get it done, I
will you know.
But, like for me, it was adefeated mindset at first.

(16:05):
You know, a lot of myprincipals and teachers told me
I've never amounted to nothing.
They told me I was stupid.
You know, I believe that for along time it made some really
big struggles in my teens andtwenties.
But then I was able to flip aswitch and then it was like you
know what?
Fuck them, I can do this, right, I can do anything I want in
the world.
So how did you flip that switch?
Because I think that switch islike something I would love to

(16:27):
be able to tell underdogs how toflip.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Right, Well, looking for that's a.
Really it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I've had a few moments in my life like looking
back.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's so easy to see these moments, just goosebumps,
probably cry right through itall.
I was in a hospital at onepoint, my own choices, and had a
big problem with cocaine andwas homeless over it.
I was going, they put myselfthrough all of this stuff landed

(16:58):
in.
I turned myself in to getmyself cleaned up.
But then, through therealization, through the anger,
like when I sobered up, like theanger came out of, like, you
know, I had a son who at thetime was seven, that was with my
mom and dad and so, like, onceI realized what we were doing,
it was like complete and deep,just like the deepest anger you
can imagine, like publicstrength, anger at myself.

(17:20):
But it also, you know, Iprojected it out, because that's
what we do as humans is weproject it out Like we do it
inside, but we also, like youknow, it's getting on everybody,
and so I ended up in a mentalinstitute from it because I was
violent and dangerous.
Cute little Barbie, like I wasviolent and dangerous.
I was so just angry at myselfand in the time that I was in

(17:42):
there and please, I, just, Ilike.
Someday I'm going to have toask my medical records.
I have no frigging clue howlong I was in the hospital, for
it could be short time to belong.
Time doesn't exist.
But unless I have a deadline inwhich it very much does.
I had a doctor that I asked oneday ago.
You know when am I going to be,like get out and like I mean I

(18:03):
was mad and all that but I'mlike I also didn't want to make
that a lifestyle Like there wasa don't, just not my vibe.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, it was, but it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
And he's like you're never getting out it was like
you're in here, you're nevergetting out.
And three days later I was out.
I feel I'll show you.
Yeah, I feel I'll show you andit was just like.
I feel like it was just weirdlydivine and how it happened.
Everything's happened for me,not to me.
I've gone through so much.

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I've gone through and again,like I've self-inflicted all of
it through my depressed thinking, through my thinking that
depressed myself, that pushedmyself down, you know you're a
single mom, you're, you knowyou're a loser because you did
this, like that was a horriblemistake, like all of that stuff

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and it's called bitual negativethinking.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I was on medication.
They told me I'd be onmedication all my life.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
And I was like, hey, let me get you off this stuff.
And the lady goes, she says, oh, never, You'll be on it all
your life.
And I'm like, well, I feel I'llshow you.
And like that happened.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
And so I just I don't know how healthy it was.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I don't recommend it to anyone, but also like it
worked for me.
Later on, when I found weldingand knew I needed to be a
sculptor and I was just anunderstatement to say knew it my
mom and dad were like, when Iwent to you know, like you're
making a mistake to go, I knewit was right and I'm like, ah,
you know, this is my path.
It just kind of became a way.

(19:35):
But when it was time to quit myjob, you know, five years later
, after you know all the work Iput into practicing and learning
and the fabrication, they'relike you're making the biggest
mistake your life to quit yourjob.
And I'm just like you know,it's just another one.
Like, really like you guys aresupposed to have my back.
It's already hard enough to getthrough all my gobbly cook, all
my gobbly cook by my like I'vegot enough.

(19:56):
Crack.
Here is it is Like I don't needyour help and it was just you
know.
And then the dude at the smallbusiness, who's supposed to have
your back as a small business,was like you should quit and go
back to work.
And I'm like that was a straw,like that was a straw straw.
And I'm just like F you, you'vegot to be kidding me.
Like it was awful.

(20:16):
I'm like why would this dudeever like?
I'm like I went there for help.
I didn't know how to run abusiness and so I was looking
for help and this, like the guygave me exactly the help I
needed.
So, like, let's look back atall of this, let's thank the guy
In the way you didn't thinkyeah.
Like that book, my book F youfuel has been written because of
the doctor, because of the guyat the better business or the

(20:38):
small business bureau, because,like, because of all these
instances and these were like Ididn't know it at the time, but
that gave me the fire inside,that.
It was just like the fireinside me burned deeper than the
fire around me and I was justlike, I will show you.
I mean like I've been living inhell all my life.
You know, I'm just like let'sjust burn this to the ground.

(21:00):
I'm like I'm just going to godown in the blaze of glory.
I'm like I'm just going to, youknow, and it just, it was, it's
a Phoenix right, like yes.
Phoenix, it's you know I burnedmy old self down to the ground
and I built a new me.
I was in love with you knowthis like this was very much,

(21:22):
you know, very slow process overtime.
And again it's you know I'm ona journey now where it's like I
very much look at every littlething.
If I point my finger at someoneand I go, I'm mad at that
person.
I know that there's somethingin me I'm not handling and so,
like I like it, like life haschanged drastically from from
that but it went from that F youall show you to, I was showing

(21:45):
myself that I count on myself.
I was showing myself that Icould show up for myself and
that I can, I could trust myselfto get through these obstacles
that, like I did create, youknow, created debt for myself.
I got over that obstacle twice.
I created homelessness formyself three times.

(22:06):
I got over that three times.
I started to see, like, look atyou know I could trust myself.
So I'm like, if you're in, ifyou're in the fire right now, if
the fire around you is burninghotter than the fire inside of
you, then just start startlooking for times in your life
when you overcame something.
You know.
Just look for something small.

(22:26):
It doesn't matter how big it is.
It's like oh, there's a crackin the sidewalk and I jumped
over it, didn't step in thepuddle.
Find something, something thatyou can reference, and then you
can go back to that and go.
I overcame that.
If I could overcame that, if Icould figure out how to overcome
that, you know.
Or like I mean you got toprobably look for harder stuff,
like you know the death of aloved one or the death of a pet
or something hard that you knowyou've gone through.

(22:48):
But look back in your lifebecause if you get a crappy life
, you've overcome some stuff,because you're still kicking.
I'm saying you're stuck in theair.
You're on the right side of thedirt.
Look for something you'veovercome.
If it's getting out, you knowgetting whatever it is and you
can hyper focus on that.
The same way you can hyperfocus on I'm low income because
I'm a single mom.
Or, you know, you can hyperfocus on the fact that look at

(23:11):
someone else overcame low incomeas a single mom.
How can I?
And that those three birds.
How can I, instead of sayingpoor me, I'm a low income mom.
I just turned it around.
It took, like I said, it tookyears, but here's a shortcut
right.
How can I?
How can I make this sculpturefaster?

(23:31):
How can I overcome thisobstacle?
How can I?
But having that attitude, it'sliterally like your focus
changes, and when your focuschanges, your whole life changes
.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
You impact so many amazing things there.
You know it's just, and I thinkan important message out of
that too is like we makemistakes.
I made mistakes and they're youknow, just like you, what drove
me to do the things that I did.
Now, if I had a time machinedon't get me wrong I would go
back and I'd rectify everysingle mistake I ever made in my
life because I'm aperfectionist.
But I know a lot of people saythey wouldn't.

(24:07):
You know, but like I look at itthis way and it sounds like you
do too it's like so I made thosemistakes right.
There's no time machine, Ican't press a button, so all I
can do is make my forward future, the things that I do, the good
works that I do, so be soamazing that any mistakes I ever
made it makes it pale incomparison.
Right, you know, because it wedon't just aren't born with

(24:28):
these tools to like know how togo get it right.
And if you don't have muchsupport like you, people are
telling you you're doingsomething wrong and then you're
falling into, you know, likeactions that are like you're
embarrassed about and you'relike then it's like a flywheel
system.
Right Now you're getting inthat and like okay, they're
right, I'm not going to doanything in life, I'm just going
to be this.
You know it's like it's such atough thing, but then you can

(24:52):
use it, like you're saying, asmotivation.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I have learned the two words moving forward.
So, no matter what I screw upin the past one, I look at it as
like I've never made a mistake.
Yeah, there's things that, likeyou know how many people said
like yes, I've been in a mentalhospital, Like you know.
It's something that is like shithappens, man, I was.

(25:16):
I had depressed thinking, I wasdepressing myself, but I
wouldn't look at that like thathappened for me.
I needed that moment, thosemoments.
I needed those to become me.
There is something out therefor me.
What I'm doing today will palein comparison to what's going to
happen in the future.
I have no frigging clue.
I have no clue, but I know that, like just with advancements in

(25:40):
technology, in my high rate,yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I'm positive, I'm lucky to have you on the show
now, before you won't talk to meanymore.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
You get on my number and this tax manny time and
you're doing amazing things.
In any way I can be involved inwhat you guys are doing, sign
me up, man.
I'm super stoked for whatyou're doing.
This is, you know, I madevideos on YouTube because there
weren't any out there, teachinghow to weld art.
You know, like the book was ahumbug the first one was just a

(26:11):
complete humbug, but like therewas no one that was doing what I
wanted to do.
You know Bob Ross is like theclosest thing I can go and I
like, I like in the beginning atzero desire to teach, zero, I
hate to teach it.
Sorry, teachers, I love you now, I really love you now.
I love to inspire people, butnever in a million years was
like oh yeah, I'm just set out,I'm going to write books and I'm

(26:32):
going to teach things and likethat is gobbling good.
For that, that's gobbling good.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
It's a hard turn, isn't it?
You know, it's like I go intotrain at my gym these days and
it used to be all about mytraining, right, my training.
You know, me, me, me, me.
And now I go into the gym andsome guy will ask to partner
with me hey, tyler, how did youthrow that right hand, how did
you do this?
And now it's all about theirtraining, right.
It becomes like you never wantto be like that switch turn.

(26:57):
You still want it to be me, butthen you like, finally, okay,
now I've gotten to the point inlife Like I need to use some of
this knowledge.
I need to use, you know, that'swhat this shows about.
Honestly, there's something Itotally don't want to miss with
you.
So I'm going to backtrack just alittle bit and I'll parlay it
in this way, because I had asimilar, you know, kind of story
in some ways in high school.
Really, I don't know, a lot ofwhat I went through wasn't fair.

(27:20):
You know, my dad, father was inprison and so automatically I
was a bad kid.
You know, because of that,seemingly my parents smoked, and
my mom and her boyfriend, so Ismelled like cigarettes.
I've never had a cigarette inmy life, but apparently I was a
smoking kid, so I was a bad kid,so a lot of that was unfair and
I was told I was stupid and youknow things like that.
And then, after I got out ofthat and I didn't care less

(27:42):
about high school, I was likegive me this job thing.
I want some money I've neverhad.
I had my first job when I was13 years old.
I was like this school stuff'sjust getting in the way, and
then it took some time but Ieventually got some bravery,
because I know this is where ourpaths differ, right.
So I eventually got some braveryand I ended up going to college
and I was scared to deathbecause I thought I was stupid,

(28:03):
you know.
And then I, and then Ieventually took some classes and
I'm like, hey, I can do this.
You know like this is, and notonly that, I'm doing good.
And then I started thinking tomyself you know what?
What is the hardest degree theyhave here?
What is the absolute hardestdegree?
You know like I'm going to dothat because screw them, you
know.
And so I chose biochemistry andI got a degree in biochemistry,
mostly, I mean, I loved, Iended up loving it, but mostly

(28:25):
because, you know, like to provethem wrong, I think.
And there was a lot ofmotivation there, you know, and
it took that because it wasfull-time work, full-time school
sort of thing.
But I am a huge proponent ofeducation and getting into it
for certain things, right, andthat's what I wanted to talk to
you about too is because bluecollar jobs in this world and
I'll weigh in on this just alittle bit from a monetary

(28:47):
standpoint, if you think youneed to go to college to make a
bunch of money I had guys thatworked for me that made six
figures a year as painters, as apollster, as a window tenor
these days, I think, makes about$130,000 a year you don't have
to go to college, right?
You know, I'll be the first tosupport you if you want to go
for some reason, and I got a lotout of it, but you don't have
to go.
And Barbie, I know that'ssomething you talk about.

(29:09):
Can you weigh in on that too?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, I went to college, but it was for
auto-mechanics, which I alsowent for paralegal for a couple
of semesters a couple yearslater, and that's again a story
for another day.
But I completely like thetrains are the place to be
depending right.
So, like there's people thatwant to go and like you know,
you want, you know, we want thedoctors, we want the lawyers, we

(29:32):
need these jobs.
But there's also like there's ahuge stigma or was or is a
stigma around having skilledtradesmen be one that they're
not smart.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
And two that they're like uneducated, and three that
they don't make a lot of money,which is so wrong.
In every way In every way, morethan ever.
In every way, one is such ahuge sense of satisfaction.
In my experience, there's ahuge sense of satisfaction
working with my hands, whetherit was turning wrenches as an
auto mechanic or welding art oryou know welding and fabricating

(30:03):
, you know like brackets andstuff.
When I was at a custom fab shop,there's such a huge sense of
satisfaction of just workingwith your hands.
For me, the physical labor iscathartic.
I mean like I'm a high energyperson, like I like to go and
FSU and I'm just like all thetime, and so like coming in here
, I'm like it's cathartic.

(30:24):
It is like the body, like abody by steel.
Oh man, I'm like I got somemuscle.
I'm in here and I'm like absare great.
I'm like leaning back andgrinding.
I'm like one.
I'm like you don't need a gymmembership.
I will tell you that.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But, it's.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
the money is huge, especially today, because
there's a huge push for thetrades.
There is so many ways to getinto the trades that you don't
even have to pay for youreducation.
There are companies that willpay for you to go to school If
you've got the right attitude.
You need to show up ready towork and have that good attitude
and the work ethic and thereare companies that will pay you

(30:59):
to go to school.
You've got the.
You also have the unions, whichwill train you on the job.
I use the phone for the unions.
It just there are so manyopportunities and what's amazing
is, like you know, yeah, lookat, there's robots out there
doing some welding and stuff.
There's robots out there doingsome of this work, but don't let

(31:20):
that freak you out.
There's people that need tolearn how to run the robots.
If you're like video games, getyour ass to college for that.
I mean, like there's somethingfor everybody.
You're like working outdoors?
We have that.
You're like working outdoors wehave that, too, you want to
work up, high or down lowunderwater.
I mean like you want to work onthe space station.
I mean like there's literallylike the, you know, the trades

(31:41):
go into every single, everysingle.
Well, every job, like prettymuch every job, is the trades
and it's just huge satisfactionIf it pays good, you get to work
fast because you don't needlook at, you don't need a ton of
skills to get to work.
They can teach you a few thingsand you get to work.
You will learn so much more onthe job and, like these

(32:04):
companies are really looking forpeople with the great attitudes
and work ethic yeah, show up.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Talk about business opportunities.
Oh yeah yeah, huge businessopportunities.
I mean you can't.
You can't find good contractorsin so many different ways, you
know right now, and they make anincredible amount of money, you
know they.
They get to kind of write theirown bill.
One of the things that I'llpre-warn people about, though,
getting into the trades,especially in business, is like,

(32:31):
eventually, you work your waythrough the labor work and now
you've got to change.
Right Now you got to furthereducate because you got to run
your business, you know, andyou're going to be working less
with your hands and more withyour mind, which is a huge
transition for me.
You know it's like I still haveto get out there and do labor
work all the time, becausethat's fulfilling for me.
It's easy to see, like, theresults of your labor when you

(32:51):
do labor work.
It's hard when you startworking here right, or paperwork
, or office stuff.
You know it's like that's a bigtransition.
So if you, if you, enjoy seeingthe fruits of your labor,
that's going to be something Iwould say.
You know, for people that openbusinesses in those categories,
it's going to be your biggesttransition when you go from
working in your business to onyour business.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
That right.
There is something I did notunderstand when I I didn't
understand.
I was in business when I quitmy job, go full time as an
artist.
I only.
I'm glad because I want to quit, I really want to.
I am successful because of whatI didn't know.
It's like because, if I didn'thave this stuff I wouldn't have.

(33:31):
But also, I learned on the job.
You know that.
You know I just knew I neededto create art.
There was nothing more for me.
It's just, it was all aboutcreation.
And then, after like ninemonths, I'm like I burned
through all the money I had, youknow, saved up and cashed in my
401k and all this and I'm justlike man.
I'm like I realize I have to goand sell, so I have to learn to
be a salesman, which had areally negative connotation for

(33:54):
me.
I'm like sales and a marketer.
Yeah, marketing, sales, branding, like three things.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Oh, and I'm a pro editor.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
I do all my own stunts.
Right now it's you know, andit's like talking to companies
and like working with companiesand pulling.
You know I had sponsors for awhile that you know working with
sponsors and like.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
I'm talking to multi-million dollar and billion
dollar companies about workingwith them.
Like little, you know, I sit ata tailgate and drink a cold
beer, and bonfire.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I like to weld stuff.
Man, you guys want to work withme?
I mean, like it's just kind ofa yeah, it's definitely a
learning process, but again, itgoes back to trusting yourself
and knowing like I overcame anobstacle like of I didn't know
how to weld when I started, whenI had the idea of being a
sculptor.
I never even welded before.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, Even in automotive I didn't even touch
torches in automotive.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I didn't like, that was your tune, probably.
I only got one year, so like Ilike, but someone else figured
it out and that's my go-tophrase Like well someone else
figured it out out of you know.
Look at, there's reallysuccessful artists out there,
like deeply successful, makingmore money than anyone else you
can imagine, Like millions ofdollars and I'm like if they
could do it, so can I.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
How did you realize it was a business?
What?
When did you realize it was abusiness?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Shoot.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
And how did you come to that realization?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
And I learned.
I like I figured I had learnedto sell, like.
I'm still like.
I'm nine years.
September first is nine yearsas a full-time artist.
I'm still learning to run mybusiness.
I'm still very much Nothandling the.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
The financial side is really what the hell, I had no
idea, like people said, I wouldbe a starving artist.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Y'all are wrong.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I'm gonna send you.
I'm gonna send you one of myaccounting videos, if you need
it.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm just work.
I'm like I'm doing a lot betteron my budgeting of it and like
looking at my account and notmixing my money between, like
I'm Literally still learning torun a business.
I'm a very in my humble opinion, I'm a deeply successful artist
.
I do exactly what I want everysingle day.
But there's some stuff like I'mnow like looking a lot more

(36:08):
long-term, like I'm 47 afterlook at my, I'll act.
Look at my brains percent I'm 47years old man Like, yeah,
there's stuff coming up that youknow I'm now more aware of than
I was five years ago and I'mlike I want to make sure like I
don't have like the healthinsurance and all that stuff.
And so now it's like reallystarting to like, let's think
like a business owner.
So, when I was really running abusiness.

(36:31):
I'm gonna say 2023, this year.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
All right.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Really changed, like my move from New York to Florida
and like this, just it changedEverything for me.
Just like mentally I'm in awhole new like, I feel like I'm
ten levels above where I was inNew York, just thinking wise and
really just the slowing downand thinking what's really
important right now and what'sgonna be important in the future

(36:57):
, how can I position myself?
I really like I haven't beensuper strategic in my business
other than like I have movedtowards what I felt was right
until your time, and that'skeeping the first thing first
and that's creativity andcraftsmanship and like what I'm
creating and then showcasing it.
But you know, I scrolled outfor a little bit with sponsors,

(37:19):
which I it was a great move Likea great move.
But also I'm like I was focusedon promoting other people and
like, look at, I couldn't affordgloves.
And so when the like thesponsors showed up and started
handing me gloves, I'm like Iwas like taping gloves up and I
was like this I'm like I couldnot afford an eight dollar pair
of drivers gloves in which toweld in.
So I was, you know, goingthrough my scotch tape and just

(37:40):
taping them, you know.
And so for a few years I've hadsponsors that are just like no,
they pour money under mybusiness, they pour products, do
it I will please wear our glove.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Please wear.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
But what happens is I realize this year is like here.
I am like because I, like I,you know, I took some time off
for my move.
That was a big, huge transition.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
So, going back into business, I went back, like
going back to work.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I Went back in the same way.
I started like looking for newsponsors and because I had
entered my sponsorship deals,knowing I was gonna take some
time off, and like I you know Ican't serve you right now, we're
gonna end this year like pickback up and we'll see and Moving
back.
Yeah, I started moving in thatsame direction, but something
wasn't feeling right and so ittook me a little bit to realize

(38:31):
I'm like I just need to dobusiness in a different way.
Like here I am like and listen,like the stuff I'm using no,
I'm using it because I love it,which has always been the truth
like I would not hawk anything.
That like knowing that Icouldn't afford an eight dollar
pair of gloves, I wouldn't weara pair of gloves that I wouldn't
stand next to and say, look at,these are worth the eight
dollars, whether you can affordthem or not.
Very cognizant about that.

(38:52):
And it's always gone back tothat for me and making sure that
I'm just, I'm integral in it,because there's people that are
watching me and like they'relike oh, barbie's got that.
Like that's something.
It's just like it's.
It's spooky that I'm like, butI am responsible to hundreds of
thousands of people that arewatching the videos, and so I'm
like what I'm showing, make sureI'm safe, make sure it's damn

(39:14):
good, sacrifice a meal for theirfamily or whatever else to buy
a product that I'm promoting,something that I really believe
in.
I've turned a lot of stuff downy'all, but I've been Promoting
these people and I'm like Ireally need to change and I need
to look at my business a littlebit differently.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
You're, you're a brand and, just like a any brand
, that is a business.
You know you have to protectthat brand and you're right, the
long term of it is not usinggloves that are gonna light on
fire or you don't feel like youstand by, and so sometimes you
have to Turn that stuff down,you know, and sometimes you have
to.
I was actually telling thisstory the other day.
It's like when we, when I firststarted my business, you know
like it was very underfunded,you know.

(39:56):
And so any opportunity thatcame, you know, oh, for extra
money was really needed, yeah,and and, and and.
So this company approached usand I'm not gonna name it
because I don't want to get introuble or whatever and they
wanted to film a Naughty videoinside of our location and you

(40:17):
know, like it, the money wasreally needed, right.
Then, you know we could reallyuse used it, but I turned it
down because it didn't line upwith our brand.
Our brand was nothing to dowith naughty videos, you know,
in our, in our place of business, right, you know, and I still
am glad that I made thatdecision.
So people need to realize that,like your brand is everything
and with personal brands, youknow, like it's absolutely

(40:39):
imperative because you knowpeople do follow you and see
what you're doing.
I will.
I want to actually ask youabout that too.
I had a friend in little similarsaga to you, where he actually
he was actually on the show lastweek.
Nobody knows him and he's thisguy I've trained with for years
and he got frustrated withregular workout equipment.

(40:59):
So he started like making hisown in his gym, right, and then
he started getting into weldingand he does a look incredible
fabrication work.
Now you know, I'm making likeequipment that you've never even
seen.
I would love, if you ever getout to Phoenix, I want to do do
she, do him and we'll get downthere.
I'd love to see your mindstogether for a minute, but but
he's definitely afraid of, youknow, getting out there and like
promoting his personal brand,even though he could be so

(41:21):
helpful, he's so knowledgeable.
What advice do you have forpeople that are afraid?
Because, like we talked in theintro, it's like we need more
people that are good, talkingabout good things, not the.
You know, keep your eyes openand hate the world.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, that's a tough one, because you have, like, it
depends on what his purpose is,because his purpose might just
be able to Just to do this stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
So the first thing I do is I see someone that's got a
talent.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I'm like dude, you can make so much money with that
, because my brain is literallywired for business now, because
I've spent so many years and nowI told you I'm not like like
the whole brand thing.
I'm like I'm really getting me,I'm niching that now I've been
running a business doing okay,but now it's time to get serious
.
But like I Constantly can lookat, like everything I look at,

(42:09):
I'm like yeah, that's a business.
That's a business if you didthis, isn't it?
I'm always like it's just a itis.
It's like I look at well, Ilook at businesses, it's what I
do.
But yeah, that is like it woulddepend on what the person's
purpose is if they're out therelike, if they like you know some
people just like to create artfor themselves.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
They don't want to show it off.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
They don't want to let anyone else know that
they're doing it.
It's masterful way, better thananything I've ever thought of
doing.
They're way better than me, butthey just need it for
themselves and that's a thingand like maybe that is just
something you know, but alsolike you know.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Is that a shame?

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I made art for me.
I still make art for me.
I didn't understand like, look,I had no desire to go, like
they don't let me be aninfluencer, let me write books
and let me teach, like no clue,I fell into all of it.
Like I fell into all of it andjust like when I first started
doing videos and teaching itbecause they weren't out there
and I go, you know what I canteach someone else to do this?

(43:05):
I'm like it would be reallycool.
I don't even know where I hadthe DALLS to do that, but I just
started it one day and it wasso awkward, so awkward, like I
like I love interviewing.
Now I'm so at peace with this.
I'm so late, so comfortable.
When I first, when I firststarted, I was like, very like
when you won't move your world.
It was just awful because Iwasn't comfortable with myself

(43:28):
and you know, and I'd say thecamera, it's a phone I wasn't
comfortable.
Anything that's uncomfortable,anything that's scary, you just
haven't had enough practice yet,if it's something yes want to
go and you have to do it.
Yeah, it's just like jump in,look at, I look like a frick
moron.
I leave all the like.
There's 2015 videos up onYouTube.

(43:50):
Go back and look at my oldvideos, people.
Yeah, but you're still awkwardBecause I'm just like this is
who I am.
I'm yeah, that's my vibe.
That's what you get when youget here cool art, fun,
awkwardness but it's just.
You know, it's just.
It's taken a long time for meto be comfortable with myself,

(44:10):
but that's practice too.
It's like when I startedwalking, I sucked at it, I fell
down a lot, I got bumps, I gotbruises, but I'm really.
I can walk and chew bubblegumnow and I'm pretty proficient.
I can blow bubbles, like youknow my Walk and chew a
bubblegum, you know.
But it's just.
It's just taking that practiceand it's getting in the arena
and look at if you were going todo something new, if you're

(44:34):
gonna go start a new business,if you're gonna go start a new
career, whatever look at someoneelse before you has started the
business.
Might not be the same business,but they've started a business.
They have also felt awkward.
They also didn't know what theywere doing.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, what you do is what.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I do is I'm like this , like stuff on sculptures, like
look it, I have no friggingclue what I'm doing on a
day-to-day basis.
I just continue to show up witha great attitude and a great
work ethic and go what can I donext to move this forward, like
moving forward, what can I donext?
What's one thing, one tinylittle thing, and sometimes I
don't know what to do on mysculptures.

(45:08):
I've that problem.
Yesterday or the day before,time doesn't exist, and so I'm
like I know I figured out I wasstarting to get frustrated and
like this happens to me.
Every single sculpture I makeis like I'll get to a point, the
armpits on something I can'ttalk about.
I'm like I'm making armpits,you're welcome, but I couldn't
get it and I was so far like I'mthe, I'd already like cut an

(45:30):
arm off to do it and then hewelds the arm back on.
I'm like how come?
I can't figure this out.
I'm like I've been welly for 15years.
I bet you know full-time, ofwhich you know like I'm putting
in 10 hour days at least.
I like you know it's on a timeI'm like how can you not get it?
And so there are sometimes Ihave to step away from that
physical work and I sweep myshop.

(45:51):
Oh, that's, it'll come to me.
I know the answer will come tome.
It's being in the arena andit's just playing in that arena
and like I don't work anymoreeither, play I know I'm not
allowed to work.
I love what I'm doing.
I'm like why are you taking itso serious, girl?
You're just playing.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
No big deal, it's like it'll come to you.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Just keep playing around with that.
Let's go like my words and howI'm speaking to myself and like
makes a huge difference.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
How do you know when you've reached mastery?
Was that a hard thing for youto understand?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Did you know when you got there?
I reached mastery.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I don't know what mastery is, like it's.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Well, how do you?
Know, when you're good atsomething.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Oh man, that's a great question.
How do you know?
You know what I know?
I'm good when I step back and Ifeel really good about what I'm
doing, like when I look at whatI'm doing and I step back
because, like everyone, else'sopinion at the end of the day,
like it only matters here andhere.
When I look at what I've done, Istep back and I'm like there's
nothing else I would change onthat.

(46:54):
Like that's how I feel good andI definitely like moving
forward.
There's some, there'ssculptures I have from 2018 that
I still own and I'll look atthem and I can go in there in my
kitchen.
I'm like I would change this,this and this, and so I don't
ever want to have that feelingagain.
So in 2018, I wasn't the artistthat I am today.

(47:16):
Now I did the best I could likecompletely best.
But the sculpture which I can'thave it on my bench because I
can't show it yet, it's on thefloor.
But the sculpture that I'mworking on I will not finish
that, even though time is of theessence, like I will still.
I will work like around theclock until there's not one more
spot on there that I wouldchange.
Like that's how I know I'vereached mastery is like

(47:36):
something that I will stand nextto and be like I wouldn't
change a thing and like that'sme today, right.
Like I think we need to look atourselves as that.
Like for what I've been doing.
I'm like I'm in pretty goodshape for the shape I'm in right
, but also like moving forward,like I wouldn't change a thing
about me today, can't Right?
So being at peace with that,like being at peace with that

(47:58):
and then moving forward.
You know, I don't ever want tostand next to myself and say I
would really, I want to change.
I don't like how I'm treatingthat person or I don't like how
I'm treating that person.
You know, it's a lot easierbeing nice to other people.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Can I say that you know and hopefully you don't
mind I've actually known you forquite a while.
You know through online and youknow a little bit of discussion
here and there.
It's like would it be fair tosay that we were very normal
people that decided we weren'tgoing to be anymore and we
decided to put everything we hadinto a passion, because I want
kids to understand out thereright now that it's like I can

(48:35):
speak for myself and I'm goingto try to speak for you too.
It's like we were normal,normal people, right, and we
didn't probably think we coulddo much in this world.
And then you find, like thatthing, that you have a passion
for a mission, for you use thatchip on your shoulder and now
you can absolutely have.
There's not a single person outthere right now.
I'm positive of it.
That can't be amazing atsomething, absolutely positive

(48:55):
of something.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
So I completely agree with you and, like I, like
nobody's normal, but also we'reall the same.
We're literally all the same.
So, like whatever like ElonMusk is doing, like we can all
be Elon Musk.
If we put in Elon Musk time onwhatever it is, it's in front of
us.
You know I'll be talking, I'llbe barbie.
Like I'm obsessed Like whatyou're looking at, like online.

(49:18):
I do feel like the people in theworld that stand out are the
ones that are, you know, again,like you said, like very normal
people.
They just are hyper focused onone thing that they're deeply
passionate about and they've putin time to where, when you look
at what I'm doing, it lookslike I'm creating miracles over
here.
Like I have people that arelike I've been welding for 30

(49:39):
years and I don't evenunderstand how you do what
you're doing, and it's just likeI haven't.
Well, but it's just like I amobsessed with details.
I'm obsessed with the welding.
I'm obsessed with, you know,creating mastery.
Like it'll probably neverhappen.
But also I'm like who knowsright.
Like there are people that lookat my stuff like, oh, it's
perfect, I'll look at it.

(50:00):
I'm like I got about a hundredmore hours on that and I can fix
it.
You know, but it's that, likethe obsession, the time it just
boils down to, like it reallyjust does, like focus, loving,
joyful, peaceful focus on thatwhich brings you joy.
Like what do you?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
know what do you have .

Speaker 2 (50:20):
if you're a gamer, like, go put in the time on the
games, go like understand youcan make a lot of money if you
want to, and that's like, andthat's the thing is like some
people just do it for the joy,like for me, I'm doing it for
the joy, but also I get paidback.
Like I'm like you've got to becramping me, like really, I'm
like I would do this stuff forfree, but I don't have to, but I

(50:41):
don't have to.
I'm so like I'm living likethis wildlife, because I had,
like this that you know, peopleare following me, like you
followed me.
I'm just like, hey, I'm just,like you said, a very normal
person.
I'm saying, like I make armpitfart noises and, like you know,
whatever it's like, I'm justnormal.
I just I'm stunned that whenpeople come up to me that

(51:04):
they're like people come up andmeet me and they're like, oh my
God, this is like the weirdestthing in the world.
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I just like to weld stuff.
Man Like, I'm like no differentthan any other welder that's
out there, that welds it lovesit Right.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Like I'm no other, like a race car driver, you know
, if you're passionate aboutwhat you do, like if you could
find something that you'repassionate about and this is
something else it's like peoplelike, oh, I don't have a passion
, I don't know what it is.
Here's a really cool way tofigure it out Go back to your
childhood and think about whatyou really liked doing, right.

(51:37):
What did you enjoy doing as akid?
Did you play with Legos?
Did you like to draw?
Did you like to read or write?
Did you make stuff?
What were you doing as a kid?
Like when you would just getlost, completely lost, and just
like time would disappear.
Like.
That's a really great way to.
It's a great place to start andlooking for those times in your

(51:58):
life when time disappears,because time doesn't exist for
me, like I said, unless I have adeadline.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
I think that's amazing advice.
And here's the thing I think.
So hear me here.
I think there's two differenttypes of people.
I think there's those like youthat do what they love and they
fall into that.
Do what you love and they neverwork a day in your life.
You know like, and that isbeautiful, good for you, like.
You know like and like.
I think that's wonderful advice.

(52:26):
Going back to your childhood, Itell the other side of the world
do what you hate, right, if youhate something in this world,
do something that's going tochange what you hate, and that's
where I actually fall in thebucket of you know like.
There's things that I can'tstand, so I invent businesses
and tools to change that, and itcould be something as simple as
you know like.

(52:46):
So I make it dramatic because Ithink the world should be about
a mission, but it could besomething as simple as, like, I
hate the fact that I couldn'tget a good hamburger and good
customer service, right, somaybe I should start that
business.
I mean, I hate the fact thatsmall businesses get picked on
and you know, I hate the factthat we don't take enough care
of underdogs and a lot ofunderdogs in the world don't

(53:08):
think they can have what theywant, and so I've opened a
company that basically supportsand elicits underdogs to get
into business around theeducational aspects.
Right, so I'm doing something Ihate?
Right, you're doing somethingyou love.
I mean, their passion is stillthere.
It's still a mission for bothof us.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, so it's such an interesting way of looking at
that and it's, yeah, what abrilliant insight and I would
have never thought of that.
It's completely opposite, butit makes so much sense.
I'm constant looking out andlike again it goes back to that
could be a business.
That could be a business likeany kind of number of things.
I really dig on that.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
You know, that's what's tough about business too,
because you get into what youknow like you're fortunate if
you had your passion.
You know, like you knew thiswas your passion and it just
happened to turn into a business.
I think that is absolutelywonderful, and I think the best
businesses and most fulfillingones happen that way.
And then there's the other sideof the world.
It's like that here's online,it's like I just should open a
business, I'll work my own hoursand you know like I'll make

(54:06):
millions of dollars.
And then they get into it andthey wonder why the failure rate
70% is?
Because they've been set up forfailure.
They chose the wrong businessfirst off.
They didn't spend any time likepre analyzing it before they
started, and then, when it gothard and it wasn't everything,
the internet promised right, youknow so like it's impossible to

(54:26):
quit when you hate something orlove something, like we do,
right, we can't quit.
It's impossible, it's part ofus.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, it makes so much like for me.
Like I feel like I don't knowthe numbers or anything like
that, but I feel like this Ididn't get into business to make
money.
I got into business because Iwas drawn to scope, Like I must,
I like I needed to breathe andlike that's all I could.

(54:54):
Like it doesn't make any sense,but I knew I needed to and
never done it before, didn'teven like, but I'm like I must
do this.
So it's like I got into itbecause I was drawn to it, like
magnetically drawn to it.
If I'd gotten into it for money, I would have failed because
the money wasn't there.
But if you go into a businessfor a passion, whether it's you

(55:14):
passionately love it or youpassionately hate it, you're
there for passion.
And when the money doesn't showup at first, and maybe you'd be
lucky and maybe you're one ofthe bazillion like well, 1
million, bazillion percentage ofpeople that actually make money
in the first 80 years of yourbusiness.
But I mean like, if the moneyisn't there and you go into
business to make money and themoney's not there, it's like
you're gonna quit.

(55:34):
It's easy to quit becausethere's no, there's no mission
or passion behind it.
So if you've got mission orpassion in front of you, you're
drawn to it, versus like youknow, I have to force myself to
go to work every day and like no, I'm like drawn to go to work,
and that's a really greatindicator.
If you're in a good businessfor you, it's like, are you

(55:55):
drawn to it?
Are you really just like, likePeppi La Pew right?
Like I don't know if you guysremember Peppi La Pew the skunk
and he would like follow thescent.
Like, or two cans, sam, followyour nose.
Like that's what I'm likecompletely about my business,
like I'm completely drawn toscope.
I think people get.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I think people get confused on that point too.
It I think so.
Steve Jobs says do somethingyou feel is great work and that,
at the end of the day, is ittoo.
You know, not everybody lovesexactly the business or what
they're doing, but they have tofeel like it's something that is
decent, right, or at least thetools that the success gives you
, allows you to do somethingthat's fulfilling, right.

(56:35):
It's hard, hard, hard to quit amission, a passion, right, it's
easy to quit a business.
So I tell people first analyzewhat you want to do with your
life goals and then make surethat business idea fits into
there too, you know, because,and then it could be well, I'm
just going to start thisbusiness for two years, I'm
going to sell it, it's going tolead me to the next one.
That's fine, as long as youknow what you're doing.
But I've been, I've spent a lotlonger than I should into

(56:57):
businesses.
I shouldn't be in for the wrongreasons and like luckily, I
refuse to quit because I haveall those people chirping behind
my ears that I will, you know.
And so I'll never quit, youknow.
So I was lucky enough to havethat, you know, even in the
businesses.
That didn't align with me, butnow I'm like huge proponent.
You have to make it align withwho you are and what you want
out of life and the missions youhave.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, and that's like it's creating a business that
serves you, like when.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I talked about that.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I don't have to go to the gym, like I am so
physically fit from working inhere.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
You know when I lay my head down at night, like I
put in nine, 10 hours of what Ifeel dead and the shop that's
before.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I do my website and all the video editing and stuff.
Like physically, I go to theshop, so like when I go to bed
at night, man, I'm so satisfiedwith the fact that I put in a
hard day's worth of work, likethere's such a deep sense of
success.
I even set up taller.
Just thinking about it, I'll bedamned.
It changes your physiology.
If you're in a job that you hateor like you're working on, it

(57:55):
doesn't matter what you do, it'sa craftsmanship.
Like, just, if you are focusedon like, how can I do?
Like I hate my job?
This sucks ass.
I don't want to be here rightnow, but also I'm gonna be the
best XYZ that I can be.
Well, I'm here because it onlyserves you, moving forward,
right, but also, like you know,work on an exit plan, get

(58:15):
yourself set up, but look at howyou know understand what your
business is gonna entail.
I think that, like I never go toany of this stuff, like,
looking back, it's so easy.
Like you know, I did.
I have sculpted my businessover the years to serve me on a
deep level.
I'm not, you know, I'm notserving my business, I'm serving
my clients.

(58:35):
Oh, and it just like that,right there is.
It's like that's a hugedifference, but my business
serves me Like I love to travel.
I took off eight months to movefrom New York to Florida
Because I wanted to go on aracetrack and ride my motorcycle
around.
Daytona and I wanted to go playand have fun with my friends and
so.
I built a business that I coulddo that.

(58:55):
And now, when it got time to goback to work, I'm like, oh, I
can't wait to be back.
Because then I'm like, well,what were you even thinking?
But I'm just like I've had thebest year of my life, Literally.
I'm like it serves me, like mybooks are making money and my
videos are made Like I've setthis up.
I know I love to travel.
I know I love to be aroundamazing, creative people.
You know I say yes to podcasts,I say yes to interviews because

(59:18):
then I get to leverage youraudience, I get to inspire even
more people.
You know service.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Absolutely, and so it is.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I'm working on now, like moving forward, it's all
about service, like I built abusiness that serves me and now
I'm going to be able to takethat and it's going to allow me
to serve other people on such ainfinite level.
And that's where, like that'swhere I must be.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
And that's what people you know.
The other thing about wantingto help the world is you have to
have resources to help theworld.
That's why I love business forpeople.
Right, you open a business now.
You have resources to changethe world.
That's why I'm passionate aboutbringing underdogs into
business too, because they bringtheir hearts for where they
came from and the things theywere frustrated with.
Now we give them some resourcesthrough their business that

(01:00:06):
they've earned themselves.
Yes, what they're doing,they're changing those areas of
the world.
You know, I think that's howyou create collateral systems
and impact, you know.
So you and I have big heartsfor people.
I see every single day thatyou're doing something you know
like for people out there andyou have some charity stuff that
you do.
You really you tell peopleabout Blue Carler and women that

(01:00:28):
can get into the trades.
It's like you're doing goodwork and you should feel really
good about it, right, and you'rechanging things for people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, it is my greatest desire, that is.
I know like with this, likeunderdogs.
I know the best people I'veever met in my life have been
people who have been kickedreally hard by life.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Yes, and have overcome it, and ones I know
like I know people that havebeen to prison.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
They've gone through the drugs, they've gone through
like all kinds of stuff, youknow, and they are the most
wonderful human beings on earthand you know to be able to, you
know, reach out to someone, like, look, I just like I said, I'm
just a normal person.
If someone reaches out to melike, hey, barbie, I'm a tough
day, I'm like, dude, I got yourback.
I'm like let me find all thepeople that are having a tough

(01:01:19):
day Like it's weird because oflike how like social media is.
Like I've got a big followingon social media because of my
art.
I'm still just a normal personand I still have bad days.
You know, I still have days offand stuff.
And like there are people outthere it's like if I can take
this gift that was given Iworked my ass off for it, but
it's still a gift because Ididn't expect this.

(01:01:41):
This is a happy side effect ofobsession.
Is what it really is?
It's this beautiful side effectof my obsession with the art.
Is it like people like look tome for stuff and I'm like man if
I could take a couple ofminutes a day and just be like
hey, dude, you're my spiritanimal, or I'm proud of you.
You know, like that stuff, likethat man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I only imagine, like when Jesse Combs like I don't
know if you know what JesseCombs is, but I met this woman
who I was just completely likeenamored with in the automotive
industry.
She really worked her ass offand she honored herself, she
honored the automotive industry,she honored all women by who
she was.
And I met her and she knew whoI was.

(01:02:22):
I'll tell you what I fangirledlike.
I fangirled on her Like I wasso like just in awe of who she
was and it meant the world to methat she had said kind words.
I mean, there's a few women inthe, there's a lot of women out
there.
Like Instagram for me has beenlike the most incredible place
to connect with.
And like the trades, thesisters if you're looking for a
sister and going to the trades,because, man, I will tell you

(01:02:44):
what it is there in spades.
But these women are just like,they're so kind and so I'm like
I mean, like it makes me thinkI'm like dang, if I like.
She said that to me and it mademe feel like so good, I got a
picture on the wall.
I'm like how can I do that forsomeone?
Cause I've been blessed withthis.
I didn't ask for it.
I had no frigging clue thatthis would turn into what it
does man, but to be free aroundI think it was less.

(01:03:09):
Give me a second, I'll get hisname Les Brown, this dude.
He says each one teach one.
Man, les Brown is a BAMF.
I love him very much.
It's been a while since I'veheard his.
I used to listen to his videosa lot.
He says each one teach one.
He says if you get yourself upto a level and you, like you,
you know you do something foryourself.
He says you turn right around.
He says you reach your handdown and you help someone else

(01:03:31):
out and like that's like that'slived, so like that's so
personal for me, right, becauseI'm still like, yes, I'm barbed
in the wilderness, I'm makingbank now and I'm like I'm living
like this dream life, but I'malso still, you know, the girl
that has gone through all thestuff that she's gone through
and so like there's still likethat, there's still that little

(01:03:55):
girl that lives inside of me.
They got you know, got beat upthey got like, and again I did
this to myself.
I made all my own choices thatled me all the places.
I'm so grateful for it.
But I was like and it's made mewho I am.
I'm grateful for it becauseit's made me who I am.
I wouldn't change it and that'swhy, because I'm in love with
myself today, but also, you know, every now and then, the little

(01:04:17):
girl that has self doubt in me,you know, in here it creeps in.
Sometimes I'm like, oh, y'all,you're screwing up that scope.
You don't do this until like,you know, and so like, just,
there's a whole bunch of me'sout there, you know, and I just
want to help as many me's as Ican Cause like we've all, like
we're all in this together,right, yeah, oh, I believe that,

(01:04:39):
I believe that whole heartedly,yeah.
A couple of people can changethe world.
I'm no different than that.
You know the Kardashians and,like all these people, it just
we're all the same person Like.
We're all out there doingeverything we can to make it
through the human condition.
You know I've been blessed withthis platform.

(01:05:01):
If I can use it for good man,then please, please, help me use
it for good, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
That's you know.
That's what I see, and I'm notsaying there's not good people
from every level coming out, butI've seen an especially amount
of high percentage in underdogsthat come out and change the
world.
How, in your opinion, do wemake more underdogs into success
?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, we make more underdogs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
No, how do we?
How do we help more underdogsget into success?

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
I was like how do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
we make more underdogs so they can overcome
being an underdog.
I'm like that's actually a goodthing, like maybe we should
make more underdogs, yeah, butthey do turn out and listen,
like the underdogs say.
The underdogs are the luckyones, man Cause I'll tell you
what.
I do believe this very strongly.
I have seen people grow up inthe same house with the same

(01:05:54):
parents, with the same set ofcircumstances, turn out
completely different.
This is all through history,right, like all through history,
this happens, and so you'llhave a house that has one
person's underdog and the otherperson's been given everything.
Weirdly.
And I'll tell you what, man, Ilike being that underdog.
So I damn well like being thatunderdog because I've seen, I've

(01:06:19):
seen that and I've seen thatthe underdogs that want to end
up coming out on top Eventually.
I've seen it a whole bunch, man,and like it's weird and it's
because we're forced to handleour own shit is what it is like.
We're forced into the positionof Look at, you have to walk on
your own.
No one's gonna hold your hand.

(01:06:40):
If someone is holding your handyour whole life, if you
continue to be given things andlife is easy for you and you
don't have hardships, man You'regonna be used to have oh so
much as welcome.
Your life is so easy Because ifanything ever does come up your
man, you're screwed.
You will never know how tohandle that hardship.
Our underdogs that have beenthere and done that when the

(01:07:01):
going gets tough.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
They're just like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I've been there, done that and this ain't no kill for
a climber, and so that underdog, I think, is the greatest asset
that you can have.
Like, give me the underdogs.
I'd much rather put someonethat's been through hardship
beside me in the trenches,because when the going gets
tough, you know, I'm sayingwho's the one that's got the
wear a fall and I want someonewho's got wear a fall.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
So well said.
And here's the thing I keeptelling, like the younger
generation to, especially thebusiness people that come to me
and say when can I get fundingand working, where can I get
this loan and this?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Go make a good, figure it out, man Don't ask and
you'll be good work for it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
You'll be glad for it when you make it right.
Because it's like Garth Brookswas actually Talking to JFK Jr
and he's like what should I warnmy daughters about?
Right, as as growing up, asGarth Brooks kids and JFK Jr
Says let them know right away,no matter what they do in life,
nobody will ever think theyearned it.
And I don't want that out of mylife, like I don't want anybody

(01:08:02):
.
I mean Jeff Bezos.
You can ask him he's therichest man in the world.
If you were to ask him today Ifhe would take that loan from
his parents.
So every single person on theplanet says well, jeff made it
because he got all these loans.
You know, at the beginning Jeffwould probably start with
nothing again.
So if you're out there rightnow and you think that you can't
start something because you'renot getting a loan, you don't
have a wrench uncle or whatever.
I guarantee once you make ityou'll be glad you didn't yeah,

(01:08:25):
figure it out for yourself, man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Go figure out for yourself.
Stop relying on other peoplefor your happiness, for your
financial security, for youranything.
Figure it out yourself, becausethere's such a sense of pride.
I did that, man.
That was me, that's right.
There's the best feeling onearth.
That's the FU fuel.
Right, there Is yo.
I did it against all odds.

(01:08:48):
He's even better when it'sagainst all odds, man, because I
love the underdog story, youknow.
I mean like I mean that's whatmoney is Right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I fell.
We buy.
We buy things that we think aregonna make us feel something
right.
We'll buy a fancy sports carbecause we think we're gonna
look cool and people are gonnalook at us awesome.
You know like.
It's a feeling you can't buy.
When you make it yourself, afeeling is more valuable than
anything, because we try to payfor feelings all the time.
You know.
But yeah, I Don't know if thatlands like, but I think that's

(01:09:21):
part of the key to knowing.
I mean, average business isstarted with $6,000.
If you can't get out there and Itell people work a job, you
hate, work a job you absolutelyhate and be the best at it
because guess what, that hatefor that job will keep you
motivated.
When I started my firstbusiness, I used to keep a
picture of a bartender below mydesk and I'd be like you want to

(01:09:42):
go back to that.
You're having a good day.
You want to get, go back togetting called the help and say
clean up this mess.
And you know like, you knowTreated like a servant.
No, I'll stay, I'll stay here,stick it out.
They wasn't that bad.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, stay motivated like that, having that Physical.
I'm a visual person, which Ithink everyone is well, not
everyone, but like I'm a visualperson, so having that picture,
or having a very clear anddefinite, like what am.
I aiming for or what do I notwant to go back to Having that's
probably really powerful in myshop Normally.

(01:10:15):
I've got a picture of the tentthat I was set up in selling
selling art when I first started.
It's got three different four,including the top three
different colors on it.
I like I have Tarks around theside.
It was ghetto, is all ghettoand I Because like as.
I'm, you know, welding, for youknow, just like the I'm hunting

(01:10:37):
money that I'm working for now Ijust on real and the companies
that are reaching out to me andI'm just like, but I keep that
there because it's like workhard but also remember where you
come from.
Man, like, remember that there'sa lot of people out there doing
that too, and like taking, no,taking my time, and like if I
can talk to someone, if there'sone person out there that's
gonna hear this and say, youknow what Barbie said follow

(01:10:58):
your passion and don't give up,man, it's gonna feel good
eventually if I can have likeplease.
You know it gives me goosebumps.
I'm like, just keep that.
You know Like what's got mehere.
You know like here, like myheart, like will get me like to
wherever, but like just yeah,they like I wear my heart on my

(01:11:19):
sleeve.
It makes I this problem my bestassets.
Not that you asked, but likethat right there, I'm like just
that feel-good thing and like noone that maybe I can.
You know, just getting onlinefor me is, as it's been, less
and less about like oh, you know, can I get more reviews?
And it's more and more aboutlike how can I go in and serve
other people, like we go,support other people and see
what they're doing and followyou know following, you know

(01:11:42):
just going and other peoplebecause man, like having that
support.
Can I even begin to tell youhow much that means to me to
have you?
You know, for years to toconnect with me and watch what
I'm doing and you know to justthat's huge.
You know how can I do that forother people?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
You know, I have to tell you this because I think
you'll appreciate it right, andso my whole life, probably every
my parents.
I love my parents but they'renot like amazingly supportive,
you know, like they're not thetype of people and I think it's
because of you know their systemit's like we just hope I think
our family creed, you know, ifyou look back 400 years ago, is
hope for better days and that,you know, that kind of explains

(01:12:23):
my parents, you know, and so andso all these people in my life
never totally Supported me inthe things that I was doing
right and so, and I got so usedto just doing it on my own,
proving I'm wrong, things likethat.
And then I went and I got askedto go give a lecture to a group
of underprivileged,first-generation college kids
from rough backgrounds and stuff.
And this kid stands up at theend of the speech, which I was

(01:12:45):
deathly afraid it was one of thefirst things I ever did in
public and he goes Tyler, I'mgonna watch you because I can't
wait to see what you do next.
And I got goosebumps.
Right now it's just thinkingabout I hit, I think of that kid
a couple times a week.
I'm like man, I better getsomething going.
I better do more today.
You know I like that kid'swatching me and he's counting on
me.
You know he's like he'scheering in my corner right now

(01:13:07):
and I better keep.
I better not to let him down,right, and so that's such a
weird feeling transition from.
I'm gonna prove him wrong too.
I can't let people down, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, um, I've been given, I've been given a
platform.
I'm like several channels, I'vebeen given a platform and again
, I didn't expect it.
But I'm like how can I use mypowers for good, because I may
have been given this?
And it's like what can I do toserve you know?
How can I give back?
What should I be showing, whatshouldn't I be showing?

(01:13:37):
You know, and just, and thenthat's a thing to my social
media, like that's a business,it's you know, and it's like,
solely, how can I use this sothat I can serve, serve the most
people, or what moves can Imake that will serve the most
people?
You know it's it has turned fromF you Into gratitude and like,

(01:14:00):
and that's what the the book isabout, that words, it's like
that, like F you all show you.
You get to a certain point inyour Just, in your journey,
where you've just it really does.
It turns into gratitude.
You'll have these successeslike a small success.
You know that's not too bad.
Like no kidding and just itcould be something as simple as
like finishing a project, butlike just yeah, ends up rolling

(01:14:23):
into that, that gratitude, yeah,that that responsibility to
others.
I definitely think keeping thatis that responsibility to self?
First, because, at the end ofthe day, like I'm the only one
looking me in the mirror and ifI didn't put it, full days worth
of work.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
If I was over here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Fussing around and, you know, playing on Instagram
when I should be sculpting.
You know which happens.
I mean we, we can't helpanybody else before we help
ourselves.
Right, we have to havesuccesses to make big impacts.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
This has been like I've wanted to have this
conversation with you for acouple years and like Now we're
like I don't want to take yourwhole day because I know you got
stuff to do, but you're amazing, like I love your mindsets.
We're in so many ways similar,in so many ways different too,
and I think it's like it's soimportant to hit it from both
sides, because there's peopleout there that'll get what I'm
saying.
There's people out there thatwill get what you saying.

(01:15:16):
We're not what you're saying,you know.
And then in the middle we meetquite often, you know, and so,
like I, you're an absoluteThrilled to watch what you're
doing.
I can't wait to see what youkeep doing.
You know I'm glad to have youin my network of amazing people.
You give me hope for the futureand you know, like I think
you're a tremendous underdog,game changer and bootstrapper.
You know, and I really want tothank you for you know, taking

(01:15:40):
the time to come to a chat withme today.
You can find Barbie the weldereverywhere too.
You know, I wouldn't bother.
Your social media links aregoing to put posted on my
website.
I highly suggest you follow her, even if you're not into the,
the trades and welding and art,which I don't know anybody
that's not but you know, likejust your daily outlook on life.
I think it's important to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
That means absolute worlds, but I'm so grateful for
your support for a long time.
It just I'm mind blown by that,but I'm also I'm super stoked
to see what you're going to donext.
I'm definitely watching closely, so I I super appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
I want to thank you all for tuning in once again
underdogs, game changers andbootstrappers and please keep
going, and if we can ever, everdo anything or talk about
anything that's going to helpyou with your underdog journey,
please feel free to reach out.
Thanks again.

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