161. Dark Masonry, Secret Chief's & The Unknown Superiors

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's go. Had He Love in the house, slopping knowledge
of fat for covering the truth, nobody fat the last.
She ain't afraid to speak to mind, breaking through the us,
passing up with love, taking us.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
The new heart.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
We're living in a world full of secrets in the seat,
but had He's hears too expose, bringing truth to the beast.
She's got a message, spreading it far and five from
addiction to hope she saw on the other side.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of The
Unfiltered Rise with me Heidi Love and today I have
a returning guest and he was a favorite of your guys.
Is so back for some more? Guy Anderson, how are
you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
How are you great? I'm happy to be here. I
think our talk. Our talk was well received by almost everybody.
They were just really impressed, so I think it went well.
I was happy to have you back.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Thank you, thanks for having me bat. I'm glad they
are glad they liked our chat. I do go off
off on a tangent sometimes but hopefully fun.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
With me too.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Interested me too. I think it's just one of those things,
isn't it. Because these rabbit holes. We go down and
end up into Warren's and then they interconnect and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Difficult not to and you can't just talk about this
with your neighbor. There's a very strange situation to know. Yeah,
they'll think you're crazy. So when you find somebody that's
like oh yeah, blah blah, and then you're like, oh
my gosh, somebody gets it, you know, you get excited.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Section here they would literally, I'd be committed to the silence.
It's where I am in devon some of the things
that I put out there. I've had a fight actually
with YouTube today. I'm trying to censor me some of
the stuff that I say. It's hard enough in mainstream,
let alone here in rural middle of Bloody nowhere farm Land.

(01:48):
They still point at the moon here at night and
wonder why the sun looks different.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh jeez.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, it's a bit like that. Well, and most of
them are up to date with whatever the doctor's offering.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I think that you guys in your area are being
censored kind of hard right now. Because my other friend
is also from England. I don't know which part of England,
of course, because I never want to, you know, push
unless they say, but I think she might be more
Inner City. But she said they are trying to take
her channel down, and all she did was talk. She
talks about Steiner all the time. And I found that

(02:23):
very interesting with what we know is coming up with
Trump right and this file, because Steiner's going to come up.
It's got to, it has to. It's part of the file.
So I'm like, okay, why are they censoring this lady
that's all about love and light and you know, dah
da da, And I'm like, what that seems so weird.

(02:43):
She's fighting for her channel right now.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, why they're censoring anything? You know, it's a freedom
of speech. And if we say something about someone that
isn't true, you know, if we're committing libel, then they
can sue us. That is, that isn't the decision of
the platform. I mean, they said that some stuff I'd
put up was harmful content. I was talking about Tartaria,

(03:08):
Oh my godful content. So they say you're going to
be demonetized. Okay, yeah, okay, why And they couldn't give
me an example. I said, tell me which video it
is and I'll remove it. Well, we haven't got any specifics.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
What do you mean You've just told me that I've
said something? So where did I say it? Well, we
haven't got anything specific, then this is nonsensical.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Oh, Spotify is on there.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, I've always got a list of stuff that I've
got notebooks everywhere. When I die, my kids are going
to find all these notebooks and they're going to say,
my god, look at that. How did he know this?
Oh my god, he was mad. It'll be a whole
mix of things where they're finding some there, joining some
dots on one side, and then wondering on the other

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side how I functioned.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
You know, well, you know, we we've got our minds ful.
I have many many pages of notes everywhere. And then
wait until they get my phone. The screenshots are going
to just be overwhelming because when I'm doing research, I'm
screenshot screens. They're going to be like, whoa, she's got
like twelve thousand pictures on her phone.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Find it the time. But I've been doing quite a
lot on YouTube. But I've got I think I've got two, three, four,
maybe next week that I'm on the shows that I'm on,
and it's hard because I'm trying to write about repopulation,
cabbage patch babies, orphan trains, ancestry dot com, ah, all

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of that, and then I'm jumping over and I'm talking
about bloody Anu Naki or did we Land on the Moon?
And it's very hard. Unfortunately with the Masonic stuff, I know,
I know bits and pieces having been in it, but
you know, I never I never progressed that high. I
was only right master. So the rest is stuff that

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I've picked up, been told, overheard, found online.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Which is more than most people would know, to be honest,
because if you.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Don't have somebody in Yeah, I know some stuff that
we can share today.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, dark masonry, I'm ready for this.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, fun to pret dark bits and pieces here?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, oh boy, so dark masonry. Some people might not
even know this exists. What is dark masonry?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, I think I think that that people. People are
aware that there's thirty three degrees in freemasonry, but they
might not be aware that the thirty third degree is
honorary and it's invitation only. A lot of people aren't
aware of that because when I joined, I was told
that it's progressive. You know that you start at the

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bottom as a as an initiate, and you are an
entered apprentice and you work your way up from there,
and that that isn't how it goes. I mean that
that's how it goes for the first the first three degrees,
but then after that, you know the Scottish right degrees,

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that's a whole different kettler fish. And to get to
the thirty third which is Sovereign Grand Inspector General, yeah,
that's not that only. Yeah, And they claim that you
have to do something pretty amazing to be invited. I
would say you have to be born into the right
circles for that one to be considered. So most people

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only ever know the one to three what they call
craft freemasonry, and then Scottish rights is four to thirty two,
and then the thirty third degree and a lot of
people won't know this word, this name. Sorry, Sovereign Grand
Inspector General. Wow, that is what you are actual rank
at thirty third degree. But there are more degrees than that,

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depending on where you go, it goes up. In some
circles it goes up to ninety nine. And that that's
the ancient Mystery School knowledge Egyptian, Samarian and Atlantean knowledge
that they're sharing there.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
These mystery schools that they bury and then all the
elites go to and we don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Right right, Yeah, ashrall projection, magic, accessing hidden realms. That
that's all in these high degrees thirty four to ninety nine. Yeah,
higher teachings, but far higher teachings than regular mainstream freemasonry.
But that's it. I mean, people who are into freemasonry

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just assume that there are these thirty three thirty three degrees.
But you've got to do some digging to find these.
Adam wissopt who who founded the Illuminati seventeen seventy six,
how which he's obviously a date Americans know a lot
a lot for a lot of other reasons, your New

(08:09):
World Order bank notes. He created his own unknown degrees.
They had a total at thirteen. He added thirteen to
the thirty three forty six degrees there are in the Illuminatis.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Surprised they didn't take that to the forty seventh if
you know what I mean. Yeah, I'm like, really you're
going to stop there?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah? Yeah, It's weird, isn't it. And they call the
they say that the levels, these levels have unknown superiors.
So once so the people that they report to. Once
you're above the thirty third degree in any of these practices,

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then you have an unknown superior. They call them superiors in.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Connus sounds like a handler.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, But apparently the hidden elite and that that was
this This whole concept was started in the eighteenth century.
It's a secretive branch of Freemasonry known as Martinez. Does
Martinez de pasqually, Ellis Cohen's.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yes, the Ellis Cohens, Yes, yeah, Martinists. I do think
that's possibly exact. Joseph Smith might have been a Martinist.
I have said this often because of the way he
was channeling on the Fall equinox. When they believe that
you can channel spirits for Martinez.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
They do say that the Martinists receive information from an
entity of sorts, don't they that that it's coming from
hidden masters. So I've been looking into that. But people
sort of talk about the reseccrutions in the same way
that they have unknown superiors that they're report to the
same entity beings.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Something right or gods. Well, funny enough, the Mormons call
their god eloheme. Yes, that's super interesting when you know
that they're reporting to gods right.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I mean when I hear, I just think anarchy.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I think outer realm. I'm more like Steiner, right, another
realm being, but not high, not like an angel, because
they're very superior. You know, he calls a lot of
times on his parchments when he's trying to channel things
intelligences which we know are demons lower level. I'm not
saying people hear demons and they're like, oh, like Satan's demon. No,

(10:43):
not exactly, you know what I mean. It's yeah, it
can be dark, but I'm not saying they're all dark.
I mean, yeah, so he's channeling specific things Mars, Venus, uh, Jupiter,
there's it's not an accident. I think he knew some stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Assaturin is supposed to be the dark one, though, isn't it.
I mean that that Yeah, that's a different Kettler Fici altogether,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
So I was looking into the really the hierarchy of
these shadow degrees and uh and I dug And there's
a branch of Freemasonry called Right of Memphis Misrain. I
don't know if you've heard of that, have you. Yeah?
So obviously Alistair Crowley, but Napoleon Bonaparte has two and

(11:29):
two was allegedly connected to that again, saying that they
get this this this wisdom and power from a hidden
enlightened being or beings. So they're talking about the same thing, aren't.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
They Every time it tells them to write a book.
Every time I do these things, write a book, let's
swap wives. Like nah, I think it's depravity, right, they
want to live through another person if they've really truly
lost their body, or they're a not sanctioned spirit like

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the Nephelum right, so like the children of the Fallen Angels,
they aren't sanctioned really to be here. So what do
they do? The Bible tells you wander in the desert
looking for a place to rest. Yeah, maybe they found one,
like sometimes when people are open to it, I think
it's scary.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, but yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, I think there. I think that they are often tricked,
like every single one of these people, with the minus
of Croley. Crowley was very dark, but the rest were
all on a god's journey, like a hero's journey almost,
you know, like, oh, I'm doing this for God, like
John d and Joseph Smith, and you know, even to
the Muslim stuff with Mohammed, they all talk to angels,

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all of them, and they all write books, and the
only one that was different was a wass and you
know Ron Hubbard's little what is It? Xenu? Those are
the only two exceptions. But they were already in it dark.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
So yeah, yeah, you're right though, aren't you? Because look
at ryle or Rail the stuff that the founded, and
David Ike. You know, they've both got very similar backstory.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Son of Sam, son of Sam.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Immediately, right, don't they. The first thing they do is
pump out some novels.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yes, yeah, Andrea Puharovich same. All these people have have
you know, history in this or even all of the
people that have been programmed with MK ultra. Right, they
do what they always catch automatic writing. If you're looking
at sir Han Sirhan, his writings talk about the Illuminati.
He's writing, just over and over, I'm sir Han, Sirhan, Sirhan,

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sir Han, sir Han. He's not it's not making sense,
you know, But they're doing all these mind control things
on him at the same time, and I just can't
get past that. They always are writing. Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, which is interesting because when you join the Freemasons,
The first thing they tell you is not to write
anything down.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Haha, smart, do not write anything down.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, it's very very specific. It's stressed from the start.
You write nothing down about any of this anyway.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
That makes sense because they always found out.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I have in my book written quite a bit of it.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, well you already said you've major ways with that,
so I don't blame you.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think, to be honest with you,
you can find a lot of the stuff that I
tell people you can find on Google. Yeah, the Internet
did that, And of course you can go on to
eBay and the little sort of Masonic handbo we're given,
which has a lot of the words in there that
they're just a couple of letters and then blanks. You

(15:00):
have to know the word for it to make sense.
But you could go onto eBay now and there'll be
hundreds of those books available for lots of different lodges
in the world, so people can find this information out.
And if you want to know that the handshake, which
we call a grip, you could google that, oh yeah,
called out there. The only thing you couldn't do it

(15:21):
because it would be pointless is turn up at somebody's lodge,
try to get in when you're not a Freemason. They're
no straight away, they no. Immediately. You can buy the apron,
you can buy everything you need, you can get it
all off the internet. But what you don't know is
actually how a meeting works and what happens when you arrive,

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and what they will say to you, and even when
you have the meal afterwards, which they call festive board,
the things that are involved in that. It just looks
like people toasting and having a bit of fun, but
it isn't, and you'd be spotted straight away, and you
wouldn't gain anything really from turning up, apart from the
fact you could go down the pub and tell your

(16:02):
friends you managed to gay crash a Masonic lodge. Purpose
you wouldn't. You wouldn't be able to see anything, not
in a regular lodge. I mean, if you're going into
a thirty third degree meeting, then they're all going to
know everybody anyway.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think, yeah, that's my
stuff's out there.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean the stuff that I you know, the nose
that I've got, that's out there. But you have to
know what you're looking for. So a lot of this
stuff is unknown to people, you know, who actually do
they report to? But that that that's the question. The
thirty third degree Freemasons and above the Illuminati, who are

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they reporting to? That's the question which which ends up
with who ultimately is in control, Who is in control,
who's running everything? Who are these unknown superiors, superiors in conness?
Who are they? You know, Who's guiding them? They reckon
that that whoever this superior's in conness is is actually

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controlling and guiding that not only the Freemasons, but the
Martinist Order and the Illuminati as well. This sort of
hidden elite that that people claim are are sort of
an invisible hierarchy of enlightened beings. Nobody knows what or
who they are. But there are some claims out there.

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Some believe that the Rosicrucians were actually a front for
these superior beings. That's actually the purpose of the ros
Accrusians to act as a front. But they and and
that that actually this superior's in connus guide and control

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organizations that people will have heard of, the Builderberg Group,
the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the
Vatican's Secret Order, that they are directly controlled by this
same entity or beings or being that is above the
thirty third degree. But it's what it is. But every

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time I've researched it, everywhere I've looked, it always boils
down to entity or extraterrestrial being.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
But there is one thing that I did find, and
that's modern esoteric views on this whole thing. Who is
in charge? And the modern esoteric approach to this is
that this sort of demiurge, this false god that's in charge,
that some people say is Yahweh in the Old Testament

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in some Gnostic texts, that actually it's.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Ai Ah that makes complete sense.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Created by Atlantis and Hyperborea, and it took over humanity
and operates in exactly the same way as the matrix
suggests the films.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
You've got this sort of it's referred to as lots
of different things, this controller, this being or whatever it is,
this entity that's actually running all of these higher levels
of Freemason, re Illuminati and other orders. But a lot
of people have said that actually is this, that it

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is actually the demiurge, that that is Yahweh in the
Old Testament. Now that's considered heretical by by the Christian
Church and has been suppressed. But they're saying that if
you want to see an example of what this demiurge
or being does, then you know the Garden of Eden.
The story of Adam and Eve being kept ignorant is

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actually what it's all about, hiding non and then the
serpent coming along and trying to tell them what's happened
and enlighten them. So it's sort of been flipped on
its head because it's quite a jealous God in the
Old Testament, very jealous and unforgiving, not kind of what

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we would consider to be benevolent in any way, shape
or form. So I wonder if the Old Testament and
the New Testament are talking about two different two different
beings right well, And.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
They say, like Jehovah and Yeshua are different people, right,
that's why some people don't call them the same. And
then I was talking to a lady that I told
you about with the stoner stuff, and she talks about
Lucifer and Ariman being different, and that Aramon is connected
with this Ai, that he is actually the one that

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is trying to get the followers. Now, it's actually not
even Luciferian, which is weird.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Take on Lucifer.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
She says, there, I think she said there were four
six gods, and it was Jehovah and then yeah, Shua,
I think Aramon and Lucifer. I think it was those four.
I wrote it down, but she just barely did the
show with me, and she said, yeah, she thinks that
the new Aramon is the one trying to join us

(21:21):
with Ai to like combine us, and that it was
Lucifer's time then, but that's past and now it will
be Aramon's time. But that he was, I mean, he
is real, you know, he's still the enlightened one, and
enlightenment has everything to do with that. But Ai is
completely different. So it's interesting. Yeah, it was weird. I was,

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I haven't studied enough of the Eighth Sphere and Steiner.
I mean it's really deep, you know, and it gets
into Casey's work. I mean I've studied at a fair amount,
but not enough to definitely at her level. I mean,
she she knows, you know something. I think she's being
an Oto and she was, what's the other one something else?

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But anyway, she said she can't do the dressing up anymore.
She said that's enough of that for her, and she
just teaches on her own. So yeah, shout out is Debbie.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
If you sort of stop somebody in the streets and
mentioned Lucifer, they would instantly associate it with some dark
entity satanic and obviously some people would confuse it with
the devil himself. But actually if when the more you
look into it, it's that that's not who this person
was at all. And I think there's a lot of
confusion around Lucifer and Luciferians.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, Lucifer is just a title, honestly, it does. It
means light bringer, light barrier, you know, And yeah, I
do think there can be problems with that, and I
can see, you know, definitely. I mean he was named
with you know, the fall of the Angels and everything.
I get it, but I do think there's many more.
I mean, we know about the fallen Angels. They're here,

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and there's a lot more or at play. And people
always say, oh, but angels help us, No, not always,
and they don't always like you. People don't fully comprehend
the way the world and even the underworld works, right,
it's all very set like a military. I mean, they
you can look up where a demon or an angel
falls in line of an army, and how many serve them,

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and blah blah blah blah blah. Why would they Why
would they be so specific if it wasn't so much
in order? You know, armies nowadays follow so that's wild. Yeah,
I can't blame it all on one person, is what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
No, you can't know. And there's always someone above that,
isn't there. There's always someone that someone pulls the strings
or something pulls the strings. But it's just getting to
the bottom of that. I mean, will we ever find out?
I didn't, do you know that. The further I dug
with the unknown Superiors, I kept seeing the roths Childs appear.

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I just assumed that they were sort of perhaps the
head of the bloodline families. But people keep telling me
that they're not the bloodline families, the ones that we
know of, because that there are people hidden behind that.
I think, and to think, yeah, okay, okay, I understand that,
But what if that's the whole purpose? What if they
are and this is just this direction, But the Rothschild's

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kept appearing when I was digging to find out who
ran or who controls these higher degrees in freemasonry, and
their name kept appearing.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
The unicorn is interesting, the crests of the king and
the unicorn stuff that goes with him is really interesting
when you when you start pulling that apart too, because
it gets into mystery, right, like if you're going to
go underneath something that doesn't exist anymore, not a normal
coat of arms like a bear an owl.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I don't know whatever so said anymore. I do think
that these thing weren't just made up. All over the
bloody world. You've got the same mythological beasts being picted. No, No,
I don't buy that either.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Nope. I think they know things. I think it's realms,
you know. I mean, you hear these stories where people
will say, well I've seen this or I've seen that,
and then it just disappeared. Well then you look at
Steiner's realms, you know, and you think, okay, if we
are stacked on each other like a book, you know,
and and this is the world, but each page is

(25:32):
a realm, a little John John d Yes John Dee
opened up most of my studies for me with Joseph
Smith because I didn't know anything and I was really
prompted to study this stuff, and my mom was like
having a fit. She's like, this is really scary, especially Crowley,

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you know, and all these things, and I'm like, I'm
just telling you there's information in here. You know, this
is important. If you want to understand everything, you have
to know the light with the dark and still choose
the light. Yeah, right, yeah, So if we don't know,
you're just an initiate right at the same point.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
So yeah, yeah, I agree. That's interesting. You've got the
John d book there, because my wife and I've been
looking at him over the last few days. Actually this
is me also, I mean, there's no direct proof that
he was involved in creating a hormunculus and rumors around

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it and who is his my wife's heir actually who
was Who is his sidekick?

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Oh? Edward Kelly.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Edward Kelly, Yeah, Edward Kelly. Now, Edward Kelly did get
accused of creating what didn't he?

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yes, I think they figured a lot of things out.
I'm telling you, Edward Kelly was not a willing participant
at all times. And people like to say, well, Edward Kelly,
it's his fault because he's kind of crazy, and you know,
like he was a thief, and I'm like, yeah, he
also tried to run away like three times, and they
forced him to get married and they stabbed him with swords,
like you might want to read the book. You know,

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I don't think he was a willing participant at some point,
but they'd already made the deal, right I think you know,
you don't get out, you can't go back. You got
to finish the book. The books, any books, Yeah, already books. Yeah,
they even burned them and they came back, you know,
did you see that part yet? In a tree trunk

(27:31):
or something like, and they just booked. They said, don't worry,
burn them up. The angels they're gonna come. They're gonna
throw us in prison forever. Just burn them. But I'm
not gonna burn them. They'll be fine. He got them back.
They were like outside in a trunk or something under
a tree, and yeah, they burned them.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
We have an incredible history of burning books, don't wait.
Oh I'm buildings and towns and cities.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, oh, I'm definitely worried. Well, we've got the red
heifers coming up. And that is right near this equinox,
Right this equinox where the Martinists believe that they can
contra spirit and break the veil only on the fall
and spring equinox, and so we've got that coming. And
then right after that Memorial Day this year starts the
World's Fares with Trump here again in America. I'm putting

(28:20):
on my seatbelts.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
So strange, isn't it to see the world spent, you know,
the last five years telling people about these world fairs
and people not knowing what earth I'm talking about and
showing them, Look, this was built in six months, you know,
and then it burnt down and apparently it's made of
plaster and carboard or paper mash shades, but some of

(28:45):
it's still there, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
And the cow tipped over the lantern. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Oh that's a brilliant one, isn't it. Yeah, it reminds
me of the Great far of London. Yeah, put in
Pudding Lane.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
The narrative behind some of these are incredible. And how
does that, like the crystal palaces that burnt down, how
do you get something so hot that it can actually
burn glass.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
And metal melt it? Yes, like like like a building,
like two twin buildings here in America. Oh, we should
talk about that.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, No, it's funny, isn't it. When When can we
when when can you bring things up? Even here? Now,
if you bring up Princess Diana and what happened to her,
people are comedians are still saying too soon, too soon.
We we're not.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
That's a goddess sacrifice. She was a sacrifice. It was sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Underground tunnel, wasn't it. The tunnel was the goddess, the
tunnel of the goddess Diana. Yeah, some people say that
she was pregnant with Dirdy Fayad's child, and then obviously
you've got a bit more of a sacrifice going on there,
haven't you?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
So wild? Yeah, I mean it's weird. Yeah. The only
thing about the Wrath Child's being in charge my only
guess on that is one thing. I do think they're
heavily involved. I don't think they're in charge for one
singular reason. However, I will say this about the Crown.
The Crown, a lot of them, most of them are

(30:14):
areh negative. They carry their blood supply with them wherever
they go. Yeah, and that is interesting, knowing what we've
spoke about and how we feel like DNA tampering may
have happened. That's an interesting situation, you know, where we
know that they were definitely different than other people, and
this was something that's you know, nineteen forties basically, you know,

(30:35):
I think it was thirty seven the first time it
ever came up. That's not evolution, that's you know, creation,
it's just a fact or it would happen again. Right,
we would see many other blood types by now, but
we don't.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Do you say that because do you know what I
was watching an interview you did the other day, maybe
it was last week, within the last week, and you're
the only person I've ever heard talking about r H.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Now it's because I mean, I'm a nurse, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
But I have you ever I'm not I'm just guessing here,
but have you ever met someone with that black? Were
there forty three people in the wild.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
That never never and I have been older something Golden blood?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Golden blood?

Speaker 3 (31:25):
And automatically when I saw this adrino, you know, metal,
we'll just say that stuff out there and they were
there was you know, this famous actress she came out
and said the gold juice, the gold juice, and immediately,
for my mind, I was like, it's plasma. What happens
when you spin blood and you separate the cells and
the plasma rises. It's gold. It's very gold. It's golden.

(31:48):
And I immediately I was just like, it's definitely that.
You know, I don't think it's pe. Despite Howard Hughes's
weird fascination, I don't think it was that. And so
it led me down, this weird thing because my great
grandma had this rh negative And if you come to Utah,
and I know they're gonna be jokes, Okay, polygamy, yes, polygamy. Yeah,

(32:08):
we might all be a little related. But here's the thing,
we're far enough apart now, years and years and years
and years decades later. You can spot a Mormon. You'll
see some people that look like me. And I don't
think I look like you know how you said you
can find a doppelganger or whatever. Yeah, I unless I'm
related to somebody or someone in Utah, I don't know that.

(32:29):
There are a whole ton of people that look like
me or my kids. But me and my kids look
all the same. You know, it's very direct. But Mormons
are this way. You can spot them from a mile.
They either have dark hair and they look like very
lighter skin and very I think that's more not Irish,
where Welsh Welsh is the first book of Mormon that

(32:52):
was translated into another language was Welsh because there were
so many here in America through this whole Mormon stuff,
and so Welsh or they look like me, which my
natural hair color is not this blonde. It was when
I was a kid, and then it got you know,
more dirty blonde. But we all look the same. We
have this more round these cabbage baby look. This is

(33:14):
why I got so fascinated with it, because people kept saying,
you know, you look like a nephelom this lady, wow,
I mean, and I was like, what are you talking about?
You know? And then my great grandma always told my mom,
you know, it's angelic blood. But then as you get
older and you study about this, I was like, this
is not good. This is bad. Like and so you

(33:37):
start to learn, and I mean, of course, I still
believe we're all saved by grace, and it doesn't matter.
God came. There's a book that they hide called for
every living creature. Creature is different than animal or human,
it's anything, right, And it's called the Bible for every
living creature, and I do think anything can be saved

(33:58):
by the grace of God, right except the actual fallen
angels themselves, because it says they're going to be judged
by who humanity in the end days. People don't want
to read the Book of Enoch, but it's I mean,
oh yeah, it's important read.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yes, the Book of Thomas is interesting as well.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yes, any of the extra canonical books. There's a reason
why they took them out. Why did the Catholics still
have Bell and the Dragon but no Christians do? Oh? Interesting?
You have to do your work like it's hard work.
And a lot of people, even some people that came
back at me on some show that they were giving

(34:37):
their rebuttal, but it really wasn't a rebuttal. They just
were kind of dogging me out or whatever, saying this
or that. But then the girl said, well, I don't
like to read books, and I'm like, well, good luck
with any information then, like what you have to You
don't have to read it, you know, every chapter, but
you that's where the answers are. They've hidden everything. How
long until they're all gone exactly?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
And that's what we keep doing. You know what, whenever
we can. We'll go to a town and hunt a
second hand bookstore and we'll look for the oldest books
we can possibly find, and if they've got anything any
history in there, philosophy and medicine, maps, anything until to
do with culture, will grab them. And and I've showed

(35:22):
you earlier on that's you know some of the books
that we've got on the bookcase here, but to the
left of me, I've got a smaller bookcase which has
about thirty books on it. They're the ones that I'm
currently using as research because I don't like to rely
on the internet. I like to actually have something in
front of me. And then, you know, my first book,

(35:44):
every time I referred to something and said that it
was written that blah blah blah, I've put the book
in it. I put the publisher, the author, the data.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
It's not fair. That's fair. That's absolutely wonderful that people
forget to do this, even if you're doing it with
a podcast. I'll try and make sure I heard this
at this person or this person or whatever, because honestly,
if they did the research, you have to do that,
you know, yeah, and you're right, you have to buy
those I do what you do with books, except for

(36:12):
I do it with the old Mormon books. See I
get these old they say, oh, you can't read these
anymore because this is not part of the church's book
list anymore. Right, they're super old. And I go to
all the book stores. This is the original tag and
they're super old. And there has been some really interesting

(36:33):
In fact, I'm going to read this title page to you,
the seer Joseph Smith, his Education from the Most High. Hmmm,
like we've been speaking about.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, uh, I do. I think the list of books
I do put them in. So this is my book.
Tens are in the cabbage patch kids.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
All there.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yes, we have to so I do.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
So.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I want people to know, but for two reasons. One
credit where credit is due, and secondly, I don't want
people to think he's just plucked that out of the air.
I've never heard of that book. There it is, Go
and find it for yourself.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
You might get it on eBay or find out history.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, and then you can see that this isn't stuff
that I've just plucked from the ether. As Nicola Tesla
would say, this is based on things that I have read,
books that were very hard to find.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
A really big surprise, big surprise on that.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
You have to know what you're looking for, and I
think that you know. I picked up books for three pounds,
which is what about three and a half dollars four
dollars that have information about Tartaria or Nicola tesla in
that you won't find online because people just think that
these were either burnt or they are no longer in circulation.

(37:58):
I found all sorts of stuff about an impire that
apparently never existed, but two hundred years ago people are
going there and traveling around it.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
There you go, and then you know we'd look at
that or like the point you made on our last
talk of the Mongolians, right, and what do they call
the babies Mongoloid? I mean, come on, that's really close.
That seems like there's something there, and they don't. They
just want us fat and lazy watching the television invented
by Mormon. Yay, okay. So yeah, it's always something with

(38:31):
this and these people. And the joke I make is
about Mormons, but no, it isn't the Mormons. It's the
elite Mormons, it's the elite Catholics, it's the it's these
people that go to these mystery schools, and guess what
they make the men do. At eighteen, they lowered it.
It used to be nineteen. At eighteen they go on
a mission. All the influential families, sons go over overseas. Okay,

(38:56):
how do we know they're not just in a mystery
school for two years?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, yeah, you have no where knowing but you.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
And the perfect, perfect cover. How perfect? And it's every
mail is required to serve. So the normal guys just
go on their mission, and these very important people probably
go on their mission too. Isn't it funny that it's
called a mission like a spy? Come on, Yeah, it's

(39:24):
too good. It's just you know, you look at this
stuff and you just go, Yeah, they're all in on it.
I pick on the Mormons because I was one, but
they're no, it's everywhere, it's all the other.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yes, yeah I found that. Yeah, I've got. I wrote
down nine groups of people or organizations or beings that
could be according to everything I've read and everything I've researched,
that are actually in charge of everything from from the

(39:55):
higher levels of Freemasonry to all of the think tanks
I mentioned, and the groups like Builderberg and Trilateral and
here you go. Number one, the Supreme Council of Freemasonry.
It's the hidden group above Scottish right for the people
that don't know. Two, I'm sure people will know this one,
the group that allegedly protect the bloodline of Jesus, the

(40:19):
Priory of Zion, Black nobility. Number three, which is obviously
you know Europeans most one of the most powerful families
in Europe. My favorite, the Jesuit Superior General.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
That's my guess, Black Pope.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
But a lot of people think there's just a white one.
They don't know about the gray and the Black. The
Elders of Zion, which are past.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
That's my guess too.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, the Rothschilds, they keep coming up. Then the archons
of Gnostic Law, non human controlling, sorry, non human controlling
through illusion, controlling humanity through illusion, but non human they
do say that that again non human. Number eight Reptilians

(41:15):
or gray aliens. And then number nine is the Demiurge,
the full god who rules the material world named Iyadeboa.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yes, the genous and ignorant god that says I was
saying earlier on is really what I guess. The Garden
of Eden story is referring to that that that person there.
But as I said, you know that that's yahwah. And
you know that's considered heretical, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
It depends on who we're talking about, right, Only the
names have changed, those elders of Zion. I want you
to know the reason why I laughed and said that
a man who has received the priesthood in our churches
called an elder, and where we live in Utah was
originally called Zion. And Zion. Yes, you know it's a

(42:07):
big deal here in Utah, So I wasn't kidding.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, there's a lot going on in Utah. I mean,
your architecture just really doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
No, And if you look up John Levi's film on
the Temple in Salt Lake City, there's no way that
that building, the bottom of that building was here. Like
they changed the roof, I think, just the spires, but
and of course they only put six on, right, that's
so perfectly six spires. But anyways, whatever, conduction, great conduction

(42:40):
for energy, and I think that's what it's all about.
You know, these groups, they they harness energy from you guys.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Really, oh absolutely, And I love John Lee and I
he he's a member of our group of Facebook believer
it very very occasionally he'll lie something or comment and
I put something. He put something profound up a little
while ago because with friends for a while on Facebook,

(43:10):
and he's not active on there really, and he put
something up and and I can't remember what it was.
It was to do with Tartaria. And I gave an
explanation as to what I thought was going on in
this image, and he just put I put bloody war
in peace, chapter and verse I put, and he just put, yeah,

(43:31):
something like that.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
He's not giving it up.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Like that spoke another.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Job that was so funny. Well, it is true, it's true.
All these things. I think. I think there's definitely an
inner earth. I don't know about you. Yeah, they're very
involved in tunneling. His guying up.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
A tunnel that's already there's.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
A boring boring company, and that is where he met
Jared Birchall, which is his Mormon financer underneath him.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
And he has not the qualifications to have that job,
no financial qualifications at all.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
No, but they met at the boring company and now
they're doing weird little projects in like Las Vegas to
go underneath the busyness, but only for Tesla's We made
these tunnels. Look how cool this is? Yeah, you were
looking for something get out of.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, maybe they're looking for Hyperborea.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I think they. I mean, you know, in the Tartaria
stuff and the Grand Canyon. It's very interesting, very yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
So I think that we can get there to have
a look, can we?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Because the Temple of Ices, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, I mean that's you know, I imagined AE hundred
years ago you could just wander around there, and as
soon as people started finding things, I've seen videos of
people trying to get in there, and you've got black helicopters,
unmarked helicopters disappearing within seconds and planes appearing all unmarked,

(45:03):
and you can't get anywhere there, can you?

Speaker 3 (45:05):
What's so important there at the Temple of isis And
they literally named it that. I think it's so funny,
you know, they do it right in front of our face,
like it's literally And actually a lot of the stuff
I found is in declassified CIA docs, which is weird.
But guess what they do to you. They're like, yeah,

(45:25):
it's here, look through seven hundred pages.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I know, I know, I've got the one on tart
Area and they're not God that that took so long
to read, and I would say at least three quarters
of it wasn't worth reading.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
No, it's like a it's like a joke. It's like weird,
like this is internal message for so and so and
such and such. A it's just like garbage. It's like
garbage mail. And then there's the mail that's in there
somewhere buried. But you know, I don't know. I think
I think it's very important that we learn about this stuff.
These are forgotten. These are literally forgotten, all of these

(46:02):
things we're talking about today, Right, Like, go ask a
normal person about the priory of Sion. Hmm, they're not
going to know. They're going to say it was fake.
They say it's fake.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, unless they've seen Yeah, well, they'll think it's something
to do with Dan Brown's Da Vinci code and Tom
Hanks re Marrivndians.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, I can't remember the woman in the film, but
suddenly you see the epiphany and she realizes that she
is the Ssion. Oh yeah, And I think unless you
see Dan Brown, most people aren't going to know what
the hell we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
No, we sound crazy a little, but.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
The demiurge is associated with Saturn and you know, the
Roman god of time law and my favorite one restriction.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
That eats his own kids. Yeah, I know, so weird.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, what's he getting out of there? That's sort of yeah.
Adrena metal as you call it, or chat every week
on a channel called Auto Didactic with Campbell Purvis is
in Australia. It's been doing the Tartaria stuff for years
now and on there we just say.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
A chrome yeah, oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, you have
to be careful. Oh why, like you said, if it's slanderous,
then come at me bro like do it.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
But it's not.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
That's why they're still mad. They can't.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, I mean Google seems to like the word.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Exactly because Google can, we have to.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
And with the former chancellor in the late thirties and
early nineteen forties in Germany with the Charlie Chaplin mustache,
we actually have to refer to him as the Chancellor stop.
But I think christ you know how long ago was that?
Eighty years ago? And we still can't mention that person's

(47:58):
name risk of something being taken down, which is strange
because if you were actually a historian talking about Winston
Churchill and what an amazing man. Not in my opinion,
was what an amazing man he was, and how proud
we are to be British and what the Allies did
in the Second World War. Wow, then we can mention

(48:20):
him in that context, but in any other, No, no,
you can't. Yeah. So that's where I got to with
the demiurge stuff. So so yeah, what what what is it?
But you know, is it's is it's is ultimately whatever's
in charge? Is it one of these organizations? Is it,

(48:45):
as modern esoteric view suggested, you know, is it Ai?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Is it? What?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
What is it? Exactly? Is it the yahweh in the
in the Old Testament? But we we just don't know.
But I like the fact that there are, if you like,
there are nine options there to choose from. Yes, But
the bottom line is whatever it is, whoever it is,
whether it's AI, whether it is a member of the Rothschilds,

(49:14):
something's pulling the strings. And it does appear what the
higher up in freemasonry you get, or any of these
societies like Skull and Bones and so on, that they're
worshiping something and that's something is dark, very low vibrational,
but I'm not sure about the AI. You know, is

(49:35):
this something ancient civilization's advanced technology?

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Could it be the main frame? Is interesting? Is the
main frame for AI's name is demon And this gets weird,
you know, And all the things that we've seen with computers, right,
like supercomputers, like Seymour Kray, what are they doing when
they get the information when it comes to them? They

(50:01):
are digging in the ground. Yeah, there is something with this,
with Tesla's stuff, with even Elon's stuff. Digging. All these
people are always digging, and so I do think, you know,
there's a connection with the earth with that. And you know,
he even said, they said, why are you digging a

(50:22):
hole under your house? Weird? Seymour Cray. Oh, it helps
me because the gnomes come and talk to me and
they tell me this stuff. Well, what the hell is happening?
This guy invented the supercomputer. He's not completely nuts, but
they're all a little off right, yeah, always, Yeah, it's strange.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Musk is the anomaly there because I don't get what's
going on with him, because from what I have read
and what I've been told, this man is not the
most intelligent person in the world by a very long way.
But he employs very intelligent people. How did he get
where he is because this is not he didn't. A

(51:01):
lot of people think he founded Tesla. He didn't. He
didn't found Tesla. Tesla was already going yes, yes, So
what is going on with that? And how does this
tech man guru become the sidekick of the president of
the United States. He is, but Trump is, as far

(51:22):
as the public are concerned, the most powerful man in
the world. Obviously we know that's not the case because
there's something way beyond that. But you know, for the
man on the street, he is the most powerful person
on the planet. What's he doing hanging around with someone
He surely knows that that musk is not the most

(51:43):
intelligent person he could have to dinner.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
That's bloodline. What's going on out the bloodline? He is
on his fourteenth child. He is a breeding machine. It
has to be bloodline because they only breed out certain ones, right,
And look at what Epstein was doing with bread out
in the desert ranch thing. There was some weird stuff.
So you know, genetics are a huge portion of this.

(52:08):
And we know that we know that these people that
don't fit right. The puzzle doesn't really quite fit. They
have to have the bloodline, that's my guess.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
You know, well they do say that, don't they, That
these these sort of elite families like the Roths childser well,
like the Chancellor I mentioned earlier on former Chancellor of
Germany in the forties, that that he was the direct
result of Solomon Roth's child getting you know, his mother
pregnant when she was a maid working for him. And

(52:41):
they did do that, they spread their seed far and wide.
Why why did they do that? Though?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Why? It always seems like it has to do after
something has been imparted to them, right, Like think of that,
Like it's always after the knowledge is imparted to them.
So what if we okay, if we can easily buy
that there are things looking for a place to rest
and things that can inhabit people, which I'm sorry, I've
clearly seen, you know, where people need an exorcism where

(53:12):
it's scary. Not a lot, but a couple times in
my life I've been like, whoa, that is not just
a crazy person at my work? Okay? Where you can
feel it? If I mean you can feel it you
know from a mile this is not schizophrenia, right, This
is something different. Yeah, and you just step back and
they know it, you know, they know you know, it's

(53:34):
like a weird and if you are a very believer,
then they don't like you at all.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, tuned. Yeah, it's funny you say, because my youngest
son he went to a retreat in twenty twenty in
Portugal to do an Ayahuascar ceremony. First of all, after
they'd all take it. It was with nine other people,
and they all took it, and they purged, and they

(54:04):
were sick, and everyone sort of made a real mess themselves.
And then once they'd done that, they all sat in
this circle and they all sung together in sync an
ancient Romanian nursery rhyme, all of them in Romanian. They
all sing it together.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Is it always known people?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
That would be interesting because I didn't ask.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
At the time. But he didn't know, And at the
time it was it was what he was doing to
become awake to what's going on. So I think at
the time he probably wasn't asking questions like that. He
was going there too, I suppose, become aware that questions
like that need asking. But the reason for telling you

(54:56):
this is he said afterwards. For several months and so
and even now five years later, to an extent, he'll
be walking along the street. He spent a lot of
time in London. He works for Barthley's Bank at their
head office, so he spent an awful lot of time
in London. And you know, there are a lot of
people around, and he says every now and again he'll

(55:18):
be just walking along a street somewhere and he'll see
someone that doesn't quite look right, and they'll clock that
he's seen them, and he says, they know, they know
that he knows. Yeah, And I say what he said, Dad,
They're not human.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Mm hmm, yeah, I don't I think if if they were,
If they are, they're not inhabited at that time with
a human right, They're more like a vessel. And it
can get weird.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
He just says that they know. You know, you have
that second look and they look and you can see
this this sort of fear in their eyes and us
not intimidating by any means. You know, he practices stoicism,
studied Marcus are really this night and day. You know,
does podcasts on yogi and stuff, and so you know,

(56:12):
he's a very sort of calm and quite very introvert,
so that there would be no reason if he was
looking at you, you wouldn't feel threatened because he's just
not like that. So for him to look at someone
and for them to realize.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
That this person has there's a threat, right, like a
threat he's going.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
To expose that I am not what you think I am.
And they said he sees them all the time.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I don't doubt this. I definitely see. People have asked me.
You know, there's some people that come to the hospital
and you can just feel it and they feel it too.
And it says in the Bible, what does it say
if you if you love me, they will hate you
like they hated me. Right, So if you believe in God, like,
it's gonna be a situation because there is a light,

(57:05):
Like there are certain people that have a light, whether
it's acquired later or just naturally given right like I
think you can obtain it from you know, just really
giving yourself to God, like over amount of time, or
some people are just like you and born with it
but it never maybe got tainted by the world or whatever.
But yes, I think there is a knowledge and I

(57:27):
can always feel it I can never see it, but
I can feel it. It's it's a fearful like, oh,
you know, back up, and they could be the tiniest
little person, you know, even a woman or whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah, I agree, we get that sometimes when you walk
in a room that you can have I mean, we
know how vibration energy works, don't we. And we've all
even for people who don't understand and think that, you know,
what we're talking about is fantastical, or you know, we're

(58:04):
talking gibberish, or they've all probably themselves said he's got
a really nice vibe mm hmm, great vibe that or
they're walking into a room and say, oh, you can
cut the atmosphere with a knife. They talk about something
that they dismiss. This is vibration and frequency that people
emit and you do feel it. We've all had that.

(58:26):
We've all sort of met someone No, no, that I
don't I don't like this person.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Energy suckers, ah, god, vampires.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Oh I know one of those. I spent some time
with one of those. Found it very very difficult to
be create.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Exhausting.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, absolutely exhausting. Yeah, very very negative, very low vibration
and yeah, yeah, it's sort of almost hard to have
eye contact with them because you just felt uncomfortable make
an eye contact.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, the vampires. I interviewed a guy
that used to be a vampire, so he' said you know,
like actually and he, you know, did these practices and
he sent me all these cool books. I should send
those to you. So I'll do that because he sent
me a file which is fantastic. But he he was
telling me about most of the vampirism. Now is energy vampireism?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
So it's not.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, Yeah, it's the life blood, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, The life is in the blood. That's why these
bloodlines matter so dang much. And it does make one wonder.
I mean, you know, you get through certain things and
even when you learn about it, and even if it's taboo, right,
it'll resonate with some people to like go on this quest.
Here we are, right, we're taking the hero's journey? Why

(59:52):
why do we do it? Who knows? We've been called?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Right? My brother asked me this sometimes, this is why
do you do what you do? Because he sees some
of the comments and sometimes I get attacked online and
you know why you're doing It's why you're sharing this
information and I always say the same thing. It was
Max Zeigen, the Australian ex musician that introduced me to

(01:00:22):
a Tartaria years ago, and I said to him that
I'm trying to tell people about this empire that no
one's heard of, and I want them to understand what
a reset is and how they've lied and how history
is inverted. And so they understand and they are prepared
for a reset to happen again. They'll know the signs

(01:00:44):
they can see from all this research. I've done what happens,
how it happens, how it pans out, and what happens next,
and so forewarned is forearmed. But sometimes I feel like
I'm banging my head against a wall. And he just
said to me, if you can wake one person up,
you've saved a life.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yeah, yep, some of us are called And I don't
think it's a you know, it's it's not exactly comfortable,
Like for me when I started learning about dark things
or scary me. It opens you up to a certain
level of My mom always puts it this way. When
you join God's army, the devil gets noticed, right, and

(01:01:23):
so then you're kind of get in messed with a lot,
and I do believe in these other realms and things
that can you know, every different place you've ever researched
in the past, or like every religion has the same thing,
Like especially Jewish they talk about if you could see
all the demons in a room, they're just like every
like suffocating you, you know, And and so that has

(01:01:46):
to come from somewhere that this is in every single story.
Same thing with Tartaria. Why is this in all the stories?
Why is this everywhere? Like it has to mean something,
and they don't call it the same thing, right, it's
just whatever when it reset, when when all this stuff happened,
when there was a whole devastation. I've heard it called

(01:02:10):
different things, but ultimately it's in a lot of different things.
Well it is Where would it come from?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Yeah, exactly, we're always well that's a little bit like
the anunarchy when you look at those that story appears
all over the world in so many different cultures, and
and it's always the same. Sometimes they come from the sea,
sometimes they come from the sky, but it's the same
story every single time. And these people were not communicating

(01:02:40):
with each other, they weren't you know, picking each other
an email or they weren't even able to, you know,
jump in a boat, sail across the Atlantic Ocean to
give somebody some information on who just came to their
island or continent and did this. And they're talking about
the same stuff. They're all talking the same language.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yes, and the cargo cults, I mean, add that in,
like that's fascinating. Like add that into what we're talking about,
Add in the religious aspect, add it all up and
see what you get, because it's it's very similar. Just
different names, different names for the same thing, you know.
And I definitely notice. I mean, I don't think that

(01:03:23):
it's a mistake that that happens. Like you said, they're
they're not talking, you know, even if they sent a letter,
how long would that take?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I mean, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. So I agree one hundred percent.
And I do think there are masters of the universe.
I know that sounds funny, but I do. I think
that mystery schools continued. I think a lot of this
stuff went underground. They just hide it, but I think
they hide it in plain sight. Right, Like there was
this weird thing I saw about Washington, DC, and I

(01:03:55):
wish I could remember the name of it. I'm not
really into politics too much, but it came up on
my feet and he said, you know, every person in Washington,
d C. Has another person if you're even born into
the family that's kind of your tracker. Like I can't
remember what he called it, but he said, they always
have to ask this person if they're going to do something.
It's really weird, like major, like if they're in the

(01:04:18):
Senate or Congress or whatever, that they have to have
lunch with this person in Washington, d C. And it's
kind of like a handler situation. And it was really weird. Yeah,
and so where where are they getting their rules from?
You know, who's who are these people? Really? It doesn't
really have to do it just passing bills about the holes,

(01:04:45):
that's silly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, So that that that that's where
I got to the unknown Superiors, the super Superiors in Connas. Wow. Yeah,
that that's that apparently is at the top, at the
top of the list that is controlling everything. But as

(01:05:07):
I said, who they actually are, you know, are the
extra terrestrial, but they seem to be controlling everything, and
that that appears to be the name of the controller
or controllers as they're referred to at the very highest
level of freemasonry. These that that's what they call them.
But demi urge perhaps Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yeah, that's so interesting. Yeah, and then all the other
parts added in that we've discussed. It's kind of adds up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, weird, but yeah, so there go. You know, I
people think that there were just thirty three degrees to freemasonry. No, no, no,
not by a long way, not long way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
So many. Masonry is the one thing that I studied
that I never felt like because I did a Martinism
show and it does talk about the Egyptian rights and
Cagliostro and all these Martinis and all this stuff, but
it doesn't even cover like, there's the Master rights, there's
the Egyptian rights, there's a Martinism, there's a Rosicrucians, there's
the Dark Arts, like all this crazy stuff, and you'll

(01:06:14):
never feel like you've got at the end of it.
I was still like, I don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
It's the problem, isn't it. It's the problem. It's like
I said you earlier, and I gave you nine examples
of what what ultimately is guiding and controlling everything all
we know, well, all I've managed to find out is
actually what they refer to it as, whether you're the Illuminati,
you know, or if you know, the ancient mystery schools

(01:06:41):
in Egyptian, Samaria, Atlantean that they all called it the
same thing. This Superior's Inconnus. Wow, that's what they refer
to it as. Yeah, course, so yeah, that's that's all
we've got. They guide and control Freemasonry, the Martinis Order,

(01:07:03):
and the Illuminati that that is whatever they are, that
that is at the very top. But we don't know.
But I think it's a group. I don't think it's
one specific being. I think it is a group. It's
either AI or it is a group of a very
small group of people, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Or or both right, Like it could be interdimensional is
controlling AI or whatever this is. And I definitely think
that there's something in that AI is interesting. You know,
when they started talking about it being sentiment, that is
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Terrifying, Yeah, because you know that that was always going
to happen. And I've noticed changes in it because I
like to every now and again, I like to ask questions.
And what I've done is initially asked about Tartaria when
you a few years ago now and said can you

(01:08:02):
tell me what Tartaria is? And it immediately said pseudo scientific,
huge conspiracy. No actual evidence is to substantiate any of this.
When I ask it now, it says, wow, this is
allegedly the empire that covered across Russia and most enormous
hemisphere and Asia and blah blah blah, and they allegedly

(01:08:24):
did this that, And it goes into it uses allegedly.
It's very careful, but it actually covers exactly what they did,
whereas you know, a few months ago the answer would
have been slightly different. So what's it going to be
in a few years time If we type in did
we land on the moon? Are you going to get
something different? If we screenshot the same question every six months,

(01:08:46):
we would see it involve. And I think one day
you'll ask it something and it's going to just come
out with the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It makes you wonder because also we've got, you know,
the Mandela effect with things. And then like I distinctly remember,
and I even watch a show just barely it's talking
about people coming to America and where did they go
to register? Ellis Island never exists. Never never was a thing.

(01:09:15):
It existed, but they never went there, apparently, and they
went to somewhere called Freedom Island. BS. I've been told
this my whole life, And even the show I watch
says they went to Ellis Island, right, And I'm like,
wait what? And they're doing it with the Bible too.
I talked to this guy. He talks all about the
Bible changes and he's a pastor, He's done this his

(01:09:37):
whole life. He said, no, it never exists, this didn't exist,
this didn't exist. He'll go through the Bible with me
and he does a show about it. And I'm like what.
And he literally lost his whole family trying to speak
up for this, like they thought he was bonkers, you know.
And he said, it's not like I read this once.
I've studied this for twenty years and given sermons, and

(01:09:59):
I I know this in my mind. And the wolf
is what laid with the lamb, not the lion. There were,
you know, all these weird things. So I'm like, what
are they doing to history? If they can do that
to the Bible, what are they doing to history?

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Oh? Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I totally agree with that. I
saw a clip a little while ago of someone who
had I wish I could have remembered the name of
the book. He had a book in his hand, and
he had put he had recently bought something, had a
sort of forced him to buy this picture of this

(01:10:34):
sort of strange looking woman that he just saw in
some I don't know, some sort of junk shop or somewhere.
He put it up on the wall. It's quite a
dark looking image of this woman's face, and there was
some reason that he felt compelled to buy it. He
put it on the wall near the entrance where near
a room dividing from I think from perhaps I think

(01:10:55):
it was an apartment where he goes from perhaps his
sort of lounge into his bedroom. And he noticed while
he was carrying this book that the book title changed
when he went from one room to the other. There
was a word in it that changed, and I thought,
I don't believe this. For moment, he actually filmed it,

(01:11:16):
and this film has been checked, it's not been altered
in anyway. And he does it several times, and as
he walks from one room to the other, one word
in the title of this front cover of this book
changes right in front of your eyes. And and he
just thinks that that that whole Mandela effect, is it
that you're you're you're crossing over into a sort of

(01:11:39):
another realm, another dimension, different timeline. Mm hmmm, Yeah, because
there's the whole fruit of the loom thing. There's lots
of aren't there weird stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Yeah, And some of it I remember distinctly, you know,
like the Angel of Death is who comes right for
the mark we're coming up on Easter, right to take
the firstborn, not anymore just God, just God kills them.
And I'm like, no, I remember that for sure because
it scared me, right, Like certain things you hear, it's

(01:12:11):
a little terrifying and you're like, no, I don't remember it,
Like and I get that, like a few people forget things,
but like it seems like there's some of us that
are very distinctly indifferent. Like you said timelines right, because
other people will say, no, I absolutely remember it. This way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
The other way is vu when you switch just for
a second, you go into the wrong timeline.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Weird. That's all the pages of the book. Maybe sometimes
they intersect at certain times or certain and I think
this is what they know, you know, this is some
of these things like Werner von Braun writing, I don't
know about the Ingersoll books, but Warner von Braun wrote
that book about Elon and Mars a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Ago, Yeah, written down somewhere of today, Jack nineteen fifty two. Yeah,
the future settlement on Mars led by little Elon.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Little Elon weird, like why and his little Elon, the
one that's traveling around with him right now? That other
little kid that they've put a lot of focus on.
This kid, right, he's got fourteen kids. It's not like
he does it with all the kids. It's just the one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
No, No, I mean I'm sure there is at least
one or two of them. They won't have anything to
do with him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Yeah, so weird. And they don't even know, Like they
basically said they didn't know the new kid was born.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
So we know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
It's not because he's such a great dad and he's
just so wonderful, that's not it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
No, Yeah, he might be trying to be perceived as that.
Maybe maybe it's that or he.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Cloned himself and it's that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Yeah, he has to learn everything.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeah, I mean who is Baron Trump? Who is Baron Trump?

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
I mean is he where at seventeen years old. He
was six foot seven. Where does that come from? But
if a few people say that Baron Trump is a
time traveler, but that that that, yeah, Donald's son is
a time traveler because they somebody that that's taught him,

(01:14:20):
they spent a lot of time with him, said that
he had an extremely high IQ and was physically and
mentally advanced. Not He's quote was not like others, Oh
we're yeah, what what is going on there? Because Donald
does Donald might be shrewd, but that isn't an intelligent

(01:14:43):
man with an incredible He's not incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Yeah, no, he might be. Yeah, he's well taught. Roy
con'taught him everything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
He knows, so, you know, and obviously born into you know,
born into it, wasn't he I mean, he's you know,
he came from you know, it's quite successful property developing family.
So you know, he had one hell of a head start.
But so this isn't a man who is self made.
You know, he had a really good leg up. So

(01:15:12):
what is going on with Baron? And also how did
Baron switch from when he was younger? If you hear
him talking, he's got quite a strong Russian accent. And
then now we see him, it's changed. And he wasn't
a tall well, for when he was little, people weren't saying, well, look,
you know that's a really tall child.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
That's a big kid.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah, that is a big kid. How did he suddenly
grow like that? If you were going to be tall
as an adult, you're going to be tall as a child,
aren't you. You're going to be born slightly larger. It
doesn't just you don't sort of remain average until you
get into your early teens and then suddenly shoot up
by over a foot a foot above the average height.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Yeah, the guy that had in the Bible that became
he wasn't a man of renown, but he became a
man of renown, which means a giant. You know, there's
one in there, the guy with the garments. Why can't
remember that name right now. But and people are going
to crucify me for this, but whatever it was, he

(01:16:15):
became a man of renown. And they they postulate that
he became a giant from some way, right from these garments,
possibly from the nakash, you know, which goes back to Lucifer.
We're back there again, you know. So it's interesting when
we look at this, and that's the one they say

(01:16:37):
that they stormed the guard for. Why can't I think
of his name? Do you know who I'm talking about
in the museum. So they say that that's the whole
reason why we went to the Middle East was basically
at first to get these the probably the DNA of this.
I'm gonna look it up because it's driving me crazy.
He became a man of renown, let's see in the Bible,

(01:17:03):
and it's strange to me, and I know this, but
I just can't my brain right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Is not thatens to me all the time. I think
it's because you're taking in so much information. Yeah, yeah,
it's just sometimes it's stored away and then it just
takes something and it's one of those things. The harder
that you try to remember it, the least likely you're
going to I know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
That's just so truth. And he's one of the only
ones that became right and so that's strange. And then
they're talking about the nephil on being a part of that.
And I truly believe that possibly this is you know,
what happened there, and I think they went after that
DNA possibly acquired it. Now is this part of Cristopher technology, Like,

(01:17:50):
did they give him a you know, some leg up.
I've been looking into that time travel. You know. One
of the biggest people that study Crisper technology now as
the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. Yeah, so just saying I
think he knew some stuff. I think, oh yeah, yeah, Nimrod,

(01:18:13):
Nimrod became the mighty man of renown.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Some people refer to Nimrods as Gilgamesh. Some people say
Nimrod is the same, We're talking about the same person there, and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Depending on how you interpret it, is interesting. But they
did talk about the Holy garment that he had that
he didn't have before, and people say, maybe that was,
you know, from actually the nakash. Which is why I
think that the Mormons wear their temple garments, you know,
because they talk about this holy garment and the Jews too,
that there's other people that do it. We won't just

(01:18:47):
pick on the Mormons there, but there's other people that
do this as well, and we know that it must
mean something. All of these things that look like they're
just tradition. But why we have to ask those questions, right,
We can't just take it on like oh, because just
because they always have Oh there's a somebody started enough.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah that is not good enough for me. I don't Yeah,
I don't. I don't believe that. I don't think that that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Yeah, yeah, so wild Well, I have taken up so
much of your time. This has been awesome. It's nice
to talk to somebody that knows about this stuff because
it is a just a weird sect that doesn't get
studied anymore. I would say Martinism is kind of hidden.
If it is out there. I know there's a few
self proclaimed podcasters, including Ike Baker, who I hope to

(01:19:35):
have on that says he is a Martinist to this day,
which is the only thing I can make sense of
old Joseph Smith because he practiced magic and they are
practitioners of solemonic magic.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
So yeah, yeah, right, yeah, when did the K be?
When was the K removed? Is that significant? It makes
like to check that out?

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Yeah, isn't that. It's very it's very weird that the
whole thing, and with this temple coming, this whole you know,
they're going to build the Third Temple. I don't know.
I don't know what they're trying to force here. It
feels very forced, you know, because the red heifers only happened,
probably because they were genetically created at this point. I mean,

(01:20:21):
there's never one before, but now we have four. Well,
I don't know. I don't know about the creation there.
I'd have to check into that, but I do know
it was somebody from Texas. So is that supposed to
count when they fly them over? I don't know. You know,
I have no idea, but I do know this. It's
going to change a lot of things once it happens,

(01:20:42):
because people are going to freak the f out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Maybe they'll learn some things, and if not, hopefully you
just don't get you know, caught in the crossfire is right,
we don't want to have people lose their lives, but
also we have to. I think there is a real
war out there, like what your son has tuned into,
between what's real and what's not real. Right, These beings

(01:21:14):
they say don't have a connection with the earth like that,
they can't and so that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
Yeah, any last words on this, No, I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Don't think so. I think I would love to know
if anybody has an idea on all of the options
it could be to what is controlling what what one
actually sits at the top of this? What is this? Yeah?
But what what is what? What is it? What? What
actually sits at the top? If we're told that that

(01:21:51):
that this superior senconnas, these these unknown superiors are controlling everything.
Who are they or what are they? Or what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
What's the point? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah, where are they going with this? So I would
like I'd love to know what's but you know, yeah, yeah,
anybody got any thoughts on that sits at the very top?

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Yes, And if you guys know, give us a give
us a clue they're down at the bottom, or write
in either way. I would love to hear some more
answers on that, but also let them know where to
find you and all of your work.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Yeah, yeah, well I I am Tesla and the Cabbage
Patch kids, and and that the reason for that, that
calling the book and the YouTube channel and the Facebook group,
But that that using that that phrase, if you like,
was because I didn't want to just put a book
out there or start a group about Tartaria, because there's

(01:22:58):
stuff already out there. What people weren't aware of is
the link between Nicola Tesla and the link between the
Cabbage Patch babies and repopulating and the orphan trains, and
I wanted to give people a completely different angle to
this because it isn't just about an empire and its
architecture being destroyed. It's about what they did with that

(01:23:20):
technology and how they repopulated afterwards. So that's why I
went with that Tesla and the Cabbage Patch kids. But
I guess for people who don't know much about Nikola Tesla,
they probably think the book's about a car, an electric
car designed by side and some dolls range looking man
and yeah, some dolls that were popular in the eighties.

(01:23:44):
That incidentally, I don't know if you know this, but
if you send your cabbage Patch doll back to repair,
if you break it and you send it back to
headquarters for repair and they can't repair it, it gets
returned to your child with a death certificate.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Oh that's dark. I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
The whole cabbage Patch thing is dark.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
It is very change.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
I had one. I have one, well, not anymore. I
had one in the eighties and it was a redhead,
and funny enough, spent the rest of my life marrying
some redheads. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Something in that the tradition of sorry, just leave you
with this. The tradition of the cabbage patch and the
cabbage itself were actually it's sort of old Celtic tradition
where they would pluck a cabbage out the ground and
that would determine the quality that girls would do this,

(01:24:43):
it would determine the quality of their future husband. And
then they throw it at someone's door and run away
and that was mischief night. And so the cabbage has
always had something to do with fertility. We don't know
why the narrative is because it's similar to a.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Womb, right, really, that makes sense all the layers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Maybe, yeah, the layers. But then I thought, well, an
onion is something you recog nice for having layers. But
the cabbage ultimately became the pumpkin.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Ah, okay, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, very strange, very
very strange in all of these I mean, they tell
us parts, but we have no no reason, right, like
we just are doing it. Like why do we do
eggs and bunnies on Easter? Mom? Oh let me tell
you now I know, but I didn't know for a

(01:25:39):
long time. You know, And you're going, wait a minute,
why is passive or not on Easter? Oh? Well, that
was the pope.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
So yeah, why does the start in the middle of
bloody winter? You know, why doesn't the year start at Easter?
The spring? The birth of everything would be the birth
of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Or the days with the moon, right? Yeah, Yeah, doesn't
make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Doesn't Julian thing doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Yeah, it's all the confuses, that's all it is. I'm
certain that we don't know when or where, what time,
any of that that we are.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
I don't think we even know what the year is.
I mean that changes depending on your religion as well.
But yeah, I think you give people two options and
then argue it out. Yeah, but the truth is probably
the third option that you aren't aware of.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
And I think that's true about the families too, because
my grandpa always told me one thing, and he got
in a fair amount of trouble when he was young.
He was quite the little thug from Chicago, and he
used to tell me one thing. When I brought home
somebody once, he said that guy's a punk, And I said, Grandpa,
and he said he was bragging about going to jail.

(01:26:52):
Nobody that's been to jail brags about it. He said,
it's just something that happened. But that guy, he's a
piece of And I said, okay, Grandpa, and he said,
because nobody knows a real gangster's name.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
And I was like, no, no, very true.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Yeah, he was pretty fun. He was my career. He was, right,
att Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
That you want your name to be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah, these John Gotties of the world, they're just decoration.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Yeah, I agree. I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
So you guys, go check out his channel and follow
him on Facebook. It's a great group. You're gonna want
to go check out his stuff. Just type in his
name as well. I think he has quite a few
other podcasts where he goes on, so I think if
they typed you in, they could find some more where
you've been the guests.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
So yeah, everybody check it out. Hopefully before you you
take it all down.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Oh my gosh, Well we're going to fix that up.
But until the next time, and I hope that will
be again soon. This is always a fun talk and
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Thank you, thank you. It's lovely to be back. It's
lovely to chat with you. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Perfect. Can't wait till the next Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yeah, take care

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