226. Salem Witchcraft, Mormon Bigfoot and Magical Orders

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Monday, Monday's time.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
On Monthly mon.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
This is a a specially spooky edition of Monthly Mormon Monday.
It's the October special, and we're going to talk about
Mormon witchcraft and the connection between Joseph Smith and Salem
witch Trials and magical Talismans and like a surprise, something
new that Heidi's going to drop that I don't even

(00:54):
know about. So she she said that she wasn't gonna
tell me. Behind stage we were talking for a while.
She wouldn't drop any of it. She's like, it's going
to have to be a surprise on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
So this is Heidi Love. I'm parano American. What what
do you got? What's the what's the Halloween surprise?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Oh? Man? Do I have some stuff about Salem for you?
And you know, I love the research that I find
when I don't mean to find it. That's like the best,
most favorite kind of research. Because I was just researching
for a spooky season show. I interviewed a really famous
author that does the Salem witch trials and Marilyn.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Roach, and so you know she the author, Marilyn Roach.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I think it's Mary Anna or Marilyn. I can't remember
how she spells she spells it different, but yes, last
name Wroach. She does six the six Women of Salem
and six Men of Salem coming out soon. So I
like shout her out because she has been doing this
research for twenty seven years. And I even told her
something she didn't know, so I felt kind of proud.

(01:57):
I was like, hmm, and I'm gonna share it because
I'm going to share my screen soon as soon as
we get into this.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Okay, all right, Well, I mentioned that this this won't
be a complete rehash or anything, but for anyone that's
not familiar, one of the most interesting parts, Like, again,
mormonas is so weird. There's so many things you're like, Oh,
by the way, did you know that Joseph Smith was
married to the widow of Captain Morgan, the guy that
spawned the anti Masonic Party. Okay, what a weird, interesting coincidence. Oh,

(02:27):
by the way, did you also know that he is
a blood relative of someone that was an instigator, a
key player at the Salem witch trials. And we've talked
about this before and you mentioned that one of the
one of your interpretations of this is that it's almost like, hey, look,
she's a witch, and she's a witch and just start
throwing some accusations because he was the witch. And it's

(02:51):
better if you kind of like put the blame on
everyone else as like a misdirection that I don't know, Cannon,
I don't think the Church agrees with that particular interpretation.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, I definitely think they'd rather us steer clear from
Massachusetts all the way clear. They always say, like if
you talk to anybody, like if I asked you, hey,
where did all the stuff happen with the Mormons and
Joseph Smith? Originally you would probably say, do you know,
I don't know New York, right, Palmyra is there? Like

(03:20):
Holy Grail is Elvira around there too? I don't know
about Elvira, but Palvira is there. And so people want to,
you know, basically take their whole past life and say, oh,
it just started over here. No it didn't, that's not
what they're from. And so I started doing, you know
what I do best, doing a little genealogy research. I

(03:43):
guess it rubbed off my grandma was a genealogy Mormon missionary.
How gross is that? So yeah, I guess following in the.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Literally no pun intended. It's in their blood, right, It's
in Mormon's blood to be obsessed with genealogy.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Absolutely, it is because they need to do necromancy, and
they can't do necromancy until they get the names. They need.
The names. Even your name, even your family's name, don't matter.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
If true.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I've never heard that it makes sense. So you need
to know a dead person's name in order to perform
necromancy with them.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
So we need their name, their date of birth, their
date of death, where they lived, and where they get married.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
And they're talking about the Mormon baptismal baths, right, not
just that.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Then they do your temple work after that.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
So what else did they do after the bath? I
thought the bath was it?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Oh no, no no. And we even have people writing
this is hysterical, and I wish I could remember the
guy's name. But JJ told me about this guy that
wrote in his will, do not let these damn Mormons
baptize me after I die. And it was before it
was before it even came out. And then I was
like what, So he had the whole historical document. It

(04:58):
made me laugh and I was like, why is he
talking about this before they even have it? It wasn't
out yet.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Realistically, you can't prevent Mormons from baptizing you after you die. Nope,
they don't even need your body.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yep, they don't need crap. They just need a very
distant relation, so it can be as distant as the
day is long. Has to be your family, and if
you're part of that family, even if it's a step
family or whatever, they're gonna baptize you, and then they're
going to seal you to your spouse for time and

(05:33):
all eternity, so I hope you didn't hate them. And
then they're going to seal your children to you, and
then they're also going to do your temple rights. So
that's all the things they do.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Can they undo any of that?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I mean technically no, Technically I'm still married to my
first husband for a time.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
You can't, like say in reverse or something and like undo.
What if you accidentally seal the wrong kid to the
wrong parent, like someone loves the paperwork.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Right, It could be that, But usually they'll just say, oh,
God works that out in heaven and I can have
another guy. If I want to get good into the
church and I want to go back to the temple,
I can have somebody step in for my ex husband
and be his proxy, and now he's they just switch places.
It's like, you don't Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
And if God works it all out in heaven anyways,
why the hell are we doing his paperwork for him?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
They always have a double ended answer to everything.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's very hope we're not manning Mormon here too much
right off the bat.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I love it that. The Fair article on the Bigfoot
story was my favorite because they were like, how gullible
do you people have to be to believe that Cain
was bigfoot? And then they go in anyways, he wasn't
even there, and so I was like, wait, what did
you just say it? I thought he wasn't a thing.
But if he was there, it's not important because ye no,

(07:03):
And then they go about some other way of explaining it,
and I was like, wait, no, just stick with the
first answer and second of all, Mormon Church, if you
really want to solidify things, just say yeah, yeah he is, yep,
he's bigfoot, because then if you do that, how are
they gonna prove you wrong? Duh? Get a new here.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Honestly, that's another it's another selling point that they're leaving
on the table. I think because if they if they
came out and they said, look, we're we're also the religion,
you know, the whole pork. It's the other white meat campaign.
It's like, no, it's not that's not really white meat.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
They'll get me.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
It's just a marketing campaign. There should be an alternate
Mormon campaign, like it's the other white magic or something.
And they say, look, we got the hats, we got
the ormond thumb, and we got the talisman and the
nudes and the frogs.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
What are you gonna do about it?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
It's a magical time, and we've got we believe in Bigfoot,
we believe in planets, we believe in inner dimensions, we
believe in reincarnation.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
I really do.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Did you get a whole influx of people that thought
that you had to be a dirty hippie in order
to get in with any of that stuff, And they
don't realize there's a version of that where you can
still shave and take showers right no death, and.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Wear a tie. Yeah you can still wear your little
type tie. That's cutting off your you know, oxygen to
your brain. But no, they just don't do any of that,
and instead they went the CIA route and they're like,
let's just mk ultra everybody. That'll be fine. So I
don't know why they won't, you know, just fly with
the magic. They're definitely related to it.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, let's let's justify the title so it's not just
it's not clickbait, not craft. So my understanding from Heidi,
from Heidi's bias perspective, that's going to get me maybe
excommunicated before I even get.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
A chance down.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
But they'll just be mad at me. I'm not even excommunicated, So.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Correct me or build onto this if I've got any
of this wrong. But that Mormon early Mormon beliefs were
essentially American folklore, all kind of bundled up together.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
It was it was like a cult folklore. Well, okay, magic.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
They definitely like to say occult magic. It's kind of
my most unfavorite thing to say because it's really solemonic magic.
And you know, we're going to look at the family
from this place. Yeah, yeah, it's more occult. It's it's
way more occult than folk magic. It's a different branch.
But I mean, you know, it sounds better, it sounds

(09:39):
less sounds less scary, right, Solemonic magic sounds like ooh spooky?
But is this true?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Light? Am I am? I not going to get in
for having horrible connections in my past? Or what's get baptized?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
No, if you get baptized, it's all forgiven. You get it.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Have one like why is the back? Why do they
care so much about the baptist and they can just
do it after I die? Like why did? Why do
they need me to do it now?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
On live? Yeah? I mean you gotta you gotta work
that out with somebody that you know and get that
snuck in if you want to go that route. But
you are a menace to society because you don't have
a wife yet remember.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
This, okay? Is that? Is that like make you worse
the criminal?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
No, it used to be the thing, but it's not anymore.
But I still think it's funny. And you still have
to have three wives or not going to heaven. The
f ld IS still believe a lot of this stuff.
So it depends on which branch you go to, depends
on if you want to be homish or not.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
You want to be homish, are there?

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Now?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
There's a lot of work involved being homish. You're like
raising barns and stuff full time? Are you right?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Are there secret polygamies? And like because to be official
like outwardly polygamist, you got to be kind of living
against the law. Some go to Mexico, some of them
going on these little cult compounds where like they kind
of know they're doing that, but they just don't feel
like dealing with it. But are like, how how frequent
is it in just a normal neighborhood that one guy

(11:10):
just has three wives and they just aren't like they
kind of hide it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Oh no, one hundred percent. No, one hundred percent, that's
happening in the FLDS. That's basically how they do it.
And they did it so well, and they did something
called bleeding the beast, and that's where they were getting
paid out, you know a lot of welfare checks and
food stamps and stuff for these other wives because technically,
by law, you can only be married to one wife

(11:36):
right at a time. So these other ones are single
ladies just having your babies. And they did that for
a little while and then the government didn't think that
was very funny, so they got in trouble. Yeah, they
don't they still, you know, they believe. You know, we're
going to talk about the White Horse prophecy sometime. And
I if I were a person who had never been

(11:57):
affiliated with Mormonism in my life, I don't know that
I would trust anybody that was a Mormon in that capacity,
because capacity in any kind of governmental capacity, because they're
going to be loyal first to the church period. That's
the way it works. Yeah, whatever you want to hear.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, Okay, I mean, I see what you're saying, and
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I would I would say maybe that we could find
a system where it's built in that you know, people
that that are part of government are going to act
in their own self interests and against the interests of
the great and that you just have something that counters
that that, like, you know, just the same way that
capitalism is an imperfect system, but it's great because it

(12:47):
incorporates greed, like it's it's built around greed and not
in ignorance of it. So maybe there needs to be
like a government that this understands that people are going
to like turn into like little cabal and try and
run things.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Let's review something really quickly before I go into tonight's presentation.
Let's review something called the Cult of the Blacksticks, okay
and Cult of the Blacksticks. And this is important because
of what we're talking about currently. And what this is

(13:23):
is they swore an oath when Joseph Smith died that
they would not only just go against the government, but
they would get them back. They would get back the government.
And then some and these people that swore into this
Cult of the Blacksticks got the coffin canes that were
all bloody and disgusting from the coffin bodies rotting away

(13:46):
for months and months, and then they took them and
they made them into canes, and funny enough, they're oak kines.
I've been doing a lot of studying on the Golden Bough.
That's been really helpful to me. And you know, I
find it fascinating that they made these oak knes and
then they took the hair from the brothers and put

(14:06):
them in the knob here and these are real. You
can go see them at the Church History Museum.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Thank you, Christopher anti dumbass that we appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Why I didn't even see sorry, but yeah, so you
can go go do that. But they swore an oath
to get vengeance against the government because of justice and death.
So would I trust that one hundred percent? I mean, ah,
the Kings of Martyrdom, I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I don't know. I kind of commiserate, like I've got
some bones to pick too. I'm not going to say
I'm anti American, but I feel anti government.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, but to a point where did you build an
office in your house for when you become president? Like
they did that at the Temple in Washington, d C.
In fact, they made a complete replica of you know,
the Capital's presidential office so that when.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Wait, so have you ever heard of Nathan Fielders the
rehearsal series.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
I'm not okay, that's it's actually a plot line and
it's like a reality comedy show.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
But and talk to the House of Representatives.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
And he recreates the like that little room that you
go in and he practices over and over what he's
going to say to like this board of people. And
but you're saying the Mormons did this hundreds of years before.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
U to the TV show.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Oh yes, oh yeah, you know. It's one of these
things where we see it and we go, hmm, okay,
what's happening here? And do they still have this right
and and what is ultimately the goal? But now we
don't have to worry anymore because they're so intertwined with
the government, We're screwed. If that is really the case,

(15:52):
They're going to run this bitch, So it is what
it is. Do I think they'll run it alone? No,
They started making loan under David M. Kennedy to the Vatican,
and that's why they're chummy.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I'm on board with you, man, I'm not even kidding.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I really think that if the Mormons and the Vatican
teamed up, and it seems like they're at least peers
now right, they're they're like coworkers, or at least they
are associates in some way, so they're not necessarily combining
forces yet.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
But if they did, man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I feel like they would have all of the religious
mysticism kind of covered, at least mainstream wise.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Let's look at Mormonism and scientology, They're not going to
have any arguments, not at all. Let's look at Islam
and Mormonism.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
They're kind of wait, wait, wait, how does Islam and
Mormonism work together?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Well, you go back to the sufis right, people should
do history searches. This all goes back to magical orders
and you know, templarism and ultimately clear back to Babylon,
and we always know it does. But you know, nobody's
left behind. They heard the slogan leave nobody behind, right,
and they invited them all to come. And everybody says, oh,

(17:08):
one day there's going to be a one world order,
and I'm like, you're late to the party. They already
have it, and I think they're just waiting for the
moment where they're like tada. You know, we can see
it in their banking practices to be quite frank.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
So, well, there's there's some incompatibilities with Catholicism and Mormonism though,
right like, for example, I don't think the Vatican, I mean,
what do I know, right, I'm on the outside looking
in a little bit, but the Vatican has still explicitly
banned Freemasonry, and Mormonism arguably is like a like a

(17:47):
branch of Freemasonry under a biggest umbrella.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Right they don't.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
They used to outlaw in Mormonism, but they don't anymore.
It's you can freely join.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, I mean, that's kind of silly though, Like Mormonism
is freemason.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I know, but it used to be, not because they
really get it.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
But the Catholic Church is still that technically on paper,
you're not allowed to be a freemason. So I would
think that if you're a Mormon, you're kind of like
a proxy freemason.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Whether you want to be or not, you are.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
You're like at least zero point five percent freemason, no
matter what you want. If you went through the Endowment ceremony,
there's no taking that back, right, So.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, you're you're somehow in, and you know, even if
you don't know you're in. I mean, I guess that counts.
I think that's unfair quite but and that's my whole
you know, reason for blabbing so much is not because
I'm mad at the Mormons. People I say, oh, you
hate the Mormons so much. I'm like, listen, I don't
hate the Mormons. I just think it's unfair that they
don't tell the truth. And I think that's okay, you know,

(18:52):
I don't know. People have a hard time with that,
but I don't. And where did it all begin? Right, Like,
who says the Mormon Church when the Mormon Church was
going under the roth Childs. Did the roth Childs did?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I've never heard that before either.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
There's a lot that I've been learning. I've been a
busy girl, but you know, amongst this busyness, I ran
smack into Salem. And I think it's really weird that
they want you to believe that these people were poor
farmers with no means and their family were no one.
Does this look like the house of a poor farmer

(19:29):
back in the day. We're talking old, okay before like
in this the grandpa was born in sixteen sixty six.
Isn't that fun? Sixteen sixty I.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Think that's not his fault though, right, No, no, no,
not at all.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
So, but it is curious. But he you know, we're
talking old. This house is pretty nice. Like I'm saying,
this is a pretty nice house. And this guy, I mean,
here's a better picture of it before it got old, right,
So what is going on? Like why does he have
land in a really nice house? And by the way,

(20:06):
when he signs his name, guess what he puts at
the end, Esquire that's right, that's not a dumb farmer. Okay,
this is the silliest thing ever. And then he has
a son that is a captain, Captain Samuel Smith, and
so we're looking at all this going wait a minute,
this is literally Joseph Smith's father's grandpa. Okay, so why

(20:31):
are they trying to hide that these people are from
not Salem? No, no, no, we couldn't be from Salem
at Salem, but it's Topsfield. Topsfield is in the Salem
lines right there, and they were involved very much so
in this whole Salem witchcraft trial. Okay. And then I
was like, well, whatever, maybe you know it's just a coincidence.

(20:53):
I mean, who is this guy?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right?

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And I gotta figure this out. So of course I did.
I try to figure it out. No, I'm didn't figure
it all out. I found out some stuff. So when
Samuels was born twenty sixth January sixteen sixty six in Topsfield, Massachusetts,
Bay Colony, his father, Robert Smith Junior, was forty and
his mother, Mary French, was thirty one. He married Rebecca
Curtis in Topsfield, Essex, Massachusetts, Big Colony, British Colonial Colonial America,

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and they were parents of two sons and seven daughters.
He died twelfth of July seventeen forty eight. Okay, so
we definitely have this is straight from like the Mormon websites.
There's there's no if ants or butts like that this happened.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Well, this is just to be clear this he couldn't
have been a Mormon because Mormonism didn't exist yet.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Right, But they were very interesting and we know that
through his uncle Johnny. And these people are very they're
not your average church goers. Okay. They're called the Oh
why can't I think of the name right now? Where
they believe in like sort of everything. I'll remember here
in a minute. No, it's it's more controversial. I'll think

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of it in a minute. But they were kind of
on the outskirts of the norm, okay. And they're very
involved in this whole situation with this woman named Mary
Easty okay, and anybody or Etsy or it's spelled like
a whole bunch of different ways. So we have to
figure out, like, well, why does this even matter? Like

(22:23):
why is she even talking about this? Okay? Well, Samuel Smith,
he has this interaction with this woman that was in
the last group of people hung period in Salem for witchcraft.
He was one of the people that literally put the
nail in her coffin because he was one of the
few men that testified against So it's interesting to me

(22:44):
that Samuel Smith who got into an argument five years before.
So this dude holds a grudge. This is a grudge
holding man. Holy cow. He says when he was returning home,
he suffered a blow to his shoulder from an invisible
force and then heard a nearby stone wall rattle. So
it must have been a witch And it definitely was

(23:05):
Mary because she said he was being quote rude, that's it.
And I mean, I'm just saying, you know, the Smith
people have been involved in multiple things where they weren't
exactly careful with their word choices. I mean, let's be real,
tard and feathered, thrown out a window, I mean whatever,

(23:26):
it's fine. But what I'm saying is they were people
that spoke their mind. So yeah, he probably was rude.
So this Mary Eastie, she literally gets hung over this situation,
even though she was once found innocent. They got her
out and then the girls started saying again, oh, she's
doing this again to us, She's doing this again and again.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Jeopardy laws back then.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Right, yep, Nope, they put her right back in and
back she goes. And so I find it really weird
though that like Samuel Smith is okay, but that one's
weird enough. Okay, that one's a little bit strange enough.
But then we get to the second part of it,
which most people don't even know, is that Sarah Wilds
was the second wife of John Wilds, who just happened

(24:12):
to be the former brother in law of John Gould.
Well Gould is all over the Salem witch trials. If
anybody knows anything about sand witch Trials, you guys know
that that this is like the one of the main
names involved, right along with the Putnams. Okay, and the
Goulds had been fighting for years back and forth over
land in inheritance money, and they just happen to be

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the parents of Priscilla, who marries Samuel's son, the next Samuel,
Samuel a second So they are literally family. They're literally family.
And so when you look at this, and I'm not
just gonna say it, I'm gonna show you, guys the
actual document from the Salem witchcraft vaults here in just
one second. But it's all laid out right here with

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their initial names and then how they changed and how
the marriages were and everything, because it's important, right The
Smith and Town families had seven marriages between two families
from among their children. So it's not like they just
knew each other a little bit. They're tight, Okay. So
he's literally not only a part of accusing somebody that

(25:18):
was innocent, he's a part of accusing his own family.
And so this is why I dare say they don't
want us looking at Massachusetts whatsoever. This is the actual
deposition and the legal paperwork as you can see at
the bottom from Essex County Court archives, which it shows
everybody down at the bottom there. You guys can go

(25:40):
look it up yourself if you like. But Mary Easty
was a very interesting person as in she was one
of the few people that actually brought to light that
they didn't have any representation, and she wrote a petition
as a woman, and that I mean back then that
just wasn't that common, and she wanted to let everyone

(26:01):
know she was innocent. Her sisters, one of them had
already been killed and they went after the whole family.
And so you know, we know that part of this
is open. They were all hung for being witches. Yep,
these are actual women from the same.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I don't want to say, but they sound guilty to me. Ah,
no judgment, but well, I'll.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Say that the family, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
She was super pious. She was known to be part
of the chosen, any elect of the church, because back
then there was only so many that were chosen that
were going to be saved, and the rest kind of
had to go to church anyway for no apparent reason
because they weren't saved, which was weird. But if you
didn't go, you're in trouble. There was a lot of

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scandalous behavior, even with the Grandpa back then. Of course
treasure digging once again, we're digging, digging all the time.
But I find it fascinating this date. Do you remember
this date? September twenty second?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Remind me?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
So, what day is the fall equinox? On? Right? So
it's a twenty first, right, And then Joseph got the
plates on the fall equinox after midnight because it was
super late. And this happens the same same day, the
same day, so Joseph Smith got the plates from Moroni
on the same exact day. This lady was hung hundred

(27:29):
years later, one hundred and fifty years later, or something
like that. I found this fascinating, which pocus. When she
hung she said, I am innocent and I will pay
this back upon your heads, and so I don't know,
I don't know. Her position did stop the actual hangings

(27:50):
from continuing. She even gave up her life and said,
I understand that I must die, but I beg you
to stop using spectral evidence against people, because she wasn't accused.
Only her specter was, so her her spirit. Basically, at nighttime, what.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Do you do if your spirit goes out and commits
crimes and you're just asleep? Like, how are you supposed
to stop your spirit from committing crimes?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean, right, I don't know. I guess you got
to chain it up. I don't even know what to do.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
How do you even do that? Though? Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I don't know. I guess you got to draw some
magic circle and you're accused of witchcraft. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeh, that's funny, right, the only you is actually witchcraft,
So now you're gonna screwed.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think it's actually funny because we also know something
very interesting right about witchcraft trials at that time, who
were often the accusers were the alchemists that actually were
practicing forms of magic. So what did they know about
each other's families? Did she threaten them? Did she say,
I'm going to expose your little treasure diging baloney and

(29:01):
your magic circle solomonic magic of the Sufi's uh, mister Smith,
treasure digging?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Like, how would treasure digging be leverage over someone? It's
not like treasure.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
They were water witching with it. They were using divining
rods and they were drawing magic circles with all of
the solomonic seals. That's how the father did it as well.
Interesting enough, also, the the knife, the atam that we
have from Joseph Smith Senior, it has a black handle
on it, and that's very interesting for magic, and I'll
show that again. We can do a little bit of

(29:34):
our backward there. But I wanted to show this new
evidence because I thought it was fascinating that she basically said,
you're going to pay for this because I'm innocent. Joseph
gets you know, screwedined.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
I can think of at least like six different movies
about witchcraft that start this exact way where I's.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Just worned woman.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
That's not really a witch that curses a town or
curses someone in the town, and you're say, what did
she'scorn the Smith family directly.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
She scorned them all. She said, anybody that was involved
with this, I am innocent, and you will pay because
not close that I am free. Yep, she she used
the words I am free. And even she was smart enough.
I guess a lot of people would be talked into, oh, well,
didn't you just do this? Didn't you just do that?
And she said no, I never did. And they said, well,

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what have you been doing with the devil? And she
said nothing. I prayed against him my whole life. So
she was really eloquent the way she spoke, Like I said,
the first one to make an eloquent petition, she stood
up like the she sent it to the governor at
this time, which, by the way, this Rebecca Nurse Mitt

(30:48):
Romney's descend descended from her. It's all it's bananas. I mean,
I couldn't make a better story if I tried, which
is awesome because I don't have to try that hard.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I wanted.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I want to say, that's actually really that's such a
smart tactic is to deny, deny, deny, like never don't
even give a little like nano inch.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Of space, right, because I learned this the hard way
too when I was a little kid.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I remember the hard way that I got into a
fight and no one saw the fight, but the kid
went and told her afterwards, and since there was literally
no witness, it was just one person's word against another
person's word. And they went and told the principle and everything,
and I was just like, Nope, didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Those guys making it up. He probably just fell down
like whatever. And then finally the principle was like, well,
is it possible that? And he made up like some
hypothetical scenario where like the other kid tripped on my leg. Anyway,
long story short, I was just like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
I'm in school. They're always talking to us about everything's
possible and anything's possible, and I was like, I don't know,
I guess it's possible. And man, it was the worst
thing ever.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
And I immediately got in trouble and I got I
got like suspended and everything.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
But I learned.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I learned a very valuable in that day, and that's
that like you never give an inch, like if they
don't have you on it, then you don't give yourself
up on it.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
I guess not. And and and I mean, but unless
the ghost finds you, the ghost is gonna tell I mean,
maybe she pushed him out the window. I don't know.
I'm just kidding on that.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
But interesting manifest I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't know what ghosts can do. But uh uh,
you know, so many people have been speaking to dead
people like I just recently learned the guy with the
Philosopher's Stone was speaking to an angel. So who knows,
I don't know, whatever, Plamel, that's another interesting rabbit hole.
These people like know things that I think they definitely

(32:46):
talk to spirits. Do I think they're disembodied spirits versus
like dead people spirits? Yeah, I think I think they're
probably disembodied spirits. But whatever, they seem to sometimes help them.
And then you know, let's swap wives.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
All ghosts are disb spirits, No.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I mean, sum are demons.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
How would you know the difference.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I don't know the truth you got Oh wait, let
me tell you what Joseph Smith says. You have to
shake their hand?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Is that true?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Where does he say that you got to look it up?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's in the doctrine covenants. Yes, it says that is it?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Does he call spirits or what he says?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
If a spirit comes to you and you need to
check if it's good or bad, you have to shake
his hand. I'll find it while we're talking.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I just have the most annoying questions ever. But like,
what if you don't have hands?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I mean, I guess you gotta shake toes or something.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
What if you don't have toes?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I mean like what if what if you don't have
the ability to like physically infect them in the way
that Joe, you know what you is that a Masonic
reference that you have to shake a hand, that like
they'll give you a secret handshake.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
To let you know if so.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Here it is. Joseph Smith taught that to discern between
heavenly messengers and deceitful spirits, one should offer to shake
hands when a messenger appears, as described in Doctor and
Covenants one twenty nine. And angel will shake your hand
and you will feel it. A spirit of a man
made perfect will appear in his glory, But a fallen
spirit like the devil will offer his handed you will

(34:20):
feel nothing. So to zeph Y, I gotta shake their hand.
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
So if you go to shake someone's hand and they've
got a weak limp handshake, then they're a demon, that's
what I'm getting from.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
That could be wicked spirits.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
That's why you want to have a firm handshake.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
It actually originates from Mormons determining whose ghost and whose
demons or something.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I'm telling you Doctor and Covenants one twenty nine. It's
right there in black and white, he says.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
It is that still canon or has that been?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Like? Yah, it's in there.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
So if you if you went into a Mormon church,
like any regular Mormon church, you could open up the
page and talk about shaking hand ghosts.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Remember this. They're always going to be like, what do
you want us to come to your house on Saturday
to help you with your prayers? No, they're just going
to redirect. They're the best at it, they're so good
at it. Or they'll be like, what did you say,
I gotta go? I heard my phone like I'll be back. Actually,
my ex my so, my my old neighbor, he was

(35:22):
an ex missionary and got sent home early. Not because
he did anything bad because of the VID right the
twenty twenty and he was a mission leader president thing
and he said, oh, And I asked him, what do
you do with these hard questions, like what happens if
somebody starts coming at you with ghost stories or something?
And he said, oh, no, we just have our phone
and you type it in and it just comes up

(35:44):
with what you should say.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
So and so they're like tech support.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yep, they have tech support.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
There's there's like a Mormon app apparently that's really I
think we did an episode on like the best Mormon Apps,
and it's like the most popular one where you look
up any hard question or or thought independent thought that
you might have and it's like, no, no.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
No, you were you were wrong for thinking that, and
here's why and here's the answer.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Redirect redirect. And this is why I say with the
treasure digging, they might have got in trouble because this
is the sketch per verbatim Willard Chase's affidavit, not just
some wamby bamby story. This is like a leal document affidavit.
And he recreated this as far as how he described,
and then they artistically drew it. So this is the

(36:33):
stuff that's going on when they're looking for treasure? So
do I think that possibly Mary Eastie might have pulled
a flex and was like you better cut it out?
Like maybe? So, I don't know. I don't know. She
seems sassy, she seems real sassy, so maybe she got
sassy back. Who knows, we'll never know she got hung
So on the day is this consider is.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
This known or allowed to be talked about?

Speaker 1 (36:59):
This particular You're not gonna and you could talk about it,
but nobody's going to know this. I didn't even know
the trouble.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
If someone overheard you in temple like, oh, hey, did
you ever hear about this this thing? And they're not
even they're not even being derogatory. They're just like, hey,
did you hear they went treasure digging and they lit
a fire? And or would someone be like you never
bring that up again, or you're kicked out of here.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I think they would be more. They never are that.
They're very passive, aggressive people, so they would be like,
you know, there's better things we can talk about. Let's
edify the prophet. That's how that's going to go.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know that is that kind
of is edification. Like you're telling me, my God, my
prophet is freaking Indiana Jones. That sounds pretty cool. How
come we haven't talked about that yet.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I mean, here it is. He's got relics and everything,
magical stones and papyri, and you know, he knows things.
He's got his magical talisman.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
And I'm ready. I'm ready to sign up. I swear
to God, I'm ready to sign up right now.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I just remember, they don't know any of this stuff anymore,
so it's kind of boring now.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
It's not as am at twelve does right?

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Or do you think that even when you get to
the quorum at twelve, they still don't have full insight
on this?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
No, I think the Quorum of the twelve. Does you
want to get on the Quorum of the fifty not?

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Well, you know, I know that's unrealistic, but I want
to at least be like Kevin Bacon three or four
to three degrees.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Away that's appropriate. Three degrees away from the quorum.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Well, the Quorum of the fifty is the secret quorum
that nobody speaks about, that actually has more influence on
the Church than most things. And they're not all Mormon
fun fact.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay, how do we do this?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I wish I knew. I'm a girl.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't want to. I don't think you're allowed in
the quorum of the fifty.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I just got Andrea, you know, andreas well. I don't know.
They let a lot of people on do you have
a railroad? They let people on the you know, on
the railroad. Brigham Young like to make deals with the
railroad guys. That's part of the money. Or maybe a
lot of women. I don't know. We got to have
a flex. Gotta have a flex.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
He shows fifty women. Don't don't ask about how old
they are, but I got like fifty of.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Them, probably probably. And then you know, we just look
at all these things that you know, they've proven time
and time again do not just come from magical stories.
They're coming straight from Francis Barrett's The Magus. And so
when we talk about this stuff, we have to know
that it wasn't just folk magic. It's just silly that

(39:33):
the Jupiter talison comes straight straight from the whole psalmonic,
the Lesser and Greater Keys of Solomon. Like, there's no
argument there, period. I mean, I don't understand why people
have a hard time with this, and it gets really
interesting because.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
You know, if that's his, God is just that he
didn't actually have this right. It's not that.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
These are no game, no, no, nope, this one's a
good one. This one's that they know that it was his,
and they're like, eh, folk magic, what do you do?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
This one was Morgan Church at the church admits yes,
he had this talisman and here it is.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yep, because they say that it was one of his
most prized possessions that he owned. His wife reclaimed it
and had to identify it and it got handed down
through the family. Yep.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
And now you claim this, then not claim the hat,
though this seems way more damning than a hat.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
The hat. The hat was like, yeah, what about the hat?
But then the stone. It's all the whole neck romancy
business right. Also recently on a podcast I was listening
to and I do have to do a little more
research about it, somebody. Actually, I'm just listening, minding my business,
listening to things about Martinism like one does okay, and

(40:54):
this lady flips out and says and Cagliostro was a
complete influence on Joseph Smith Mormon I almost dropped my coffee.
I was like, whoa what I knew that, but I
didn't know you knew that. Why do you know that?
I just figured but I didn't know. She must know,
so I definitely want to see if I can talk
to that lady.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Well, it seems like it would be self evident, right,
because Cagliostro is the one that popular He was sort
of like an early Crowley in a way where he's
popularizing especially Egyptian magic, which is kind of Joseph Smith's
favorite thing.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
But here we have this problem of no, no, it's
not that. It's never that. Even if you read Dan
Vogel's work or these other people's work that are anti
Mormon and they're telling you all the magic, They're like,
but it wasn't that, it wasn't miss Ram, Nope, look away,
it wasn't that. And I'm like, yes it was, Yes,
it was smartinism. And they do not want that brought up.

(41:51):
They always blame it on the Scottish rite always they
get kind of pissed if you bring up.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Who blames the Scottish? Right, who the hell is blaming
the Scottish?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Everybody? Everybody? They blame your bro, you should freaking yeah,
you should be like a French peep over here. No,
I know you guys are French too, but I'm just
saying you should be like it's older at least, you know.
I don't know, I don't know why they get so
weird about it, but I will tell you one hundred

(42:21):
percent they do not like when you bring that up.
They're literally writing the book and they're like, and it
wasn't the Misery.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Well, so my understanding is that the miseryam Memphis is
basically like a French take on Egyptian occult that like
Western Egyptian occultism, and then the Scottish write is like
the American version, but it's not it's not really centric
on Egyptian. And then Martinism is kind of like a

(42:51):
European version.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Of all this.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
So you've you've kind of got like these three different
approaches at occultism, but they have their own interpretations of it.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Well, we've got Cagliostro who kind of links up with
these other ones, right, and we've got Willermele's and then
we've got Saint Martin. So they all three made this
Martinist order and it's a kabbalistic arts. It makes complete sense.
Why was Joseph Smith trying to learn Hebrew with with
this guy that he knew that was spooke Jewish and
converted over. I'll find his name, but I'm just like, no,

(43:23):
this makes way more sense. It's older. I'm pretty sure
it came over with his good friend Luhmen Walters. Oh Lumen, okay,
light Bringer, got it, got it. But they're a practicing order.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
The problem is.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
He changed his name.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Oh okay, okay, maybe it is his fault. Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
And so when we talk about Martinism and nothing, you know,
to dog on any of these organizations, you can do
whatever you want to do. Don't hurt kids and dogs
and you know, innocent people. But if you want to
go do whatever, I don't care. I don't care. Stop
lying to people. That's all I care about. But here's
the thing. I just think it's interesting that every time
somebody hits on this and is like, and I think

(44:04):
this might fit better, they just no, no, it's not that. No, no, no,
look away. And they're practicing plemonic order. So when we
talk about practicing, this is the stuff they wear and
they practice magic like they don't just learn about it.
They don't just read some stuff. They practice And interesting enough,
on the fall equinox, they believe you can go out

(44:25):
in the middle of the night and talk to spirits.
What did Joseph Smith do? I don't know that. And
they do it in the spring too, so well.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Does that mean the Martinists or does that just mean
that the Martinists and Joseph Smith both knew about this
rule that applies on the spring equinox, because because either
that's true or it's not. And if it's true, then
knowing about it and doing something about it wouldn't make
you a Martinist, right, It would just make you aware
of the spiritual rules.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Isn't it fun that this is also a co intermingling
order that they can have women join. And what did
Joseph do? I'm just saying that there's a lot of
lines that we can look down and say, ooh, that
checks the box. Scottish Rite free masonry not so much.
You have, you know, different factions there for the women
and men keep it separated. They're not coming together and

(45:17):
doing this stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I don't even know if there's a female version of
Scottish Rite. I mean there's Eastern star for regular masonry,
but I don't I don't know if there's like a
it doesn't qualify. Yeah, stop, sure of all that, Like
it's more generic than Scottish.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Right, but it's it's the closest thing we have. And
that's why I say it just doesn't fit. The timing
doesn't fit, none of it fits. But this this does fit.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And also in the.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
States, now just f why in case you're ever really
really curious, you two can join co masonry.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
No, I already was there once. I get that on accident,
nothing against it or anything. I just you know, freak
me out a lot. And you know the thing also
that we have to look at that's very interesting when
we look at the putnams and also this other Oh,
the Christian minister, his name is Paris, I think, or

(46:14):
I'll find the name, but he's the Christian Minister of
Salem at the time, and he yeah, it's Paris, because
I thought it was Harris. He has slaves with him,
and guess where they're from. They're from Barbados and guess
where we know. Cagliostro went studying about right for some

(46:35):
of this, He went, I mean it fits really. I
don't know. I just think it fits really well.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Well, what's the connection though, what's the direct connection with Well.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
It's not direct, I mean, but what if they learned
the same thing, right, Like, what if this was spread
through those people and they knew because they had actually
made a witch cake? Do you know what a witch
cake is? I'm gonna shut this is this like, uh.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
May okay, well describe it.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
I don't want I don't want to say something even
more gross than whatever you're going to say.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
So, yeah, we can just remove what it's like the
unholy Eucharist of like a black mask.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, I pre if you can take that out, but
like not like completely bounce it just in case we
need it again, like to remove it.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Oh okay, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Okay. So it's what they would do is they would
have a cake. Yeah it's gross, and they would make
it with urine and they would feed it to the
dog and if the dog got sick or started acting cuckoo,
then you were a witch.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Okay, Well, let me let me ask you honest question.
Do you eat a cake a light or do you
eat a cake of witch?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Witch cake? I mean, I think you're safer we take
take a little little bite of both.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I wouldn't take a bite to nothing, give it to
the dog. But they also hung dogs and killed dogs.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
At this thing.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I'm telling you that's just not right.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Well, honestly, man, before if you look, it wasn't long
before the nineteen hundreds that treating a dog like it
was literally just a utensil inside your hat, like a
tool inside your house. People would have if you saw
someone kicking their lawnmower. That's kind of how some people
thought about if you saw someone kicking their dog back then.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And that's that's it's like literally where you get.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
There was one called like a turnspit bowl or something,
and it was literally just a dog that stayed in
your kitchen and helped turn meat on racks and that.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
And it wasn't like a family pet or anything. I
don't know. It was sperable. And that was I mean,
it was pretty common.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
It was pretty common back then to just see them
as these utilitarian beasts.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Well, I mean, like I said, they did that. That
was the lady from Barbados that did this witchcake, trying
to figure things out. And this was the slave of
Samuel Parris P A. R. R. I. S born sixteen
fifty three. He had been a merchant in both London
and Barbados and then later had this career in ministry.

(49:02):
He also went to Harvard and then you know, he
ended up returning to Barbados later. So here's the thing.
I just speculate, because you ask what the connection was, Well,
did they have their own little club of Martinism or whatever.
He's learning over in Barbados with Samuel Smith, and Samuel

(49:23):
Smith carries us down to you know, the next one
and the next one Clarid, to oz A l let's
not forget that name, uh, and then eventually to Joseph,
and I just feel like that's a connection. Then we've
got Luman as a connection. We've got a lot of
connections where people say he absolutely couldn't do that, blah
blah blah, he didn't know anybody from France. And I'm like, listen, lady,

(49:46):
m yeah, no, there's connections, right, and we can't just
chuck it out. And also, d Michael Quinn gotten deep
shit for writing the book he did, but he still
called it folk magic. He's still tiptoed. He still did
so so I can.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Speculate too, So here's another one to throw in in
case you haven't put this one through all your different studies.
That Barbados was also at some points like a like
a pirate checkpoint, like a pirate hangout. And there are
some interpretations of piracy in general that the pirates were

(50:23):
like a seafaring version of the Knights Templar or whatever
evolved from Knights Templar into like the Phoenician Empire, and
then like it continued and continued, but that essentially pirates
also held all this like profane knowledge, all this like
occult knowledge that.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Eventually makes its way into Barbados.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
And now anyone that's interacting with pirates at like a
very deep level also are understanding like this Sufi wisdom
that you would have learned from the Templar like a
thousand years prior.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Well, and what did they fly? What did pirate's flags
look like? Oh wait, they had a templar cross on them,
big surprise. So and then you got Canada connections. We've
got old World mc mac here tonight, we've talked a
lot about, you know, these Canadian connections where we get
into you know, different things where we're like, all right,
why are they why are these templars here, and then

(51:16):
you know, all of a sudden, everybody's everybody is named
Mary and Joseph. And then they're actually encouraging the Mormon
men to take on Native American wives, even though they
were horribly racist. Why why why why wellites?

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Or is that not what Ali Well?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
We've had lots of talks back and forth about about
this as far as what they label them versus what
Old world. Mcmac even postulates they got it wrong, and
I think they might have, but we do see them
taking these extra wives to make their children more white
and delights them. But we also know in magical families,
what do they do They keep it in the family.
And it's not just Native Americans, it's it's more things

(51:56):
than that. It's the Scottish, it's the Celtics, it's since
we've talked, last week, got to do a whole show
on Joseph lineage and his DNA and a bunch of
stuff that I found out. But you know, we've got
these old world stories, and yet we know that they've
all got their own form of magic and their own
form of their own inherited magic. Right, So when we

(52:19):
look at this, it's really not, Yes, exactly. It's not
that big of a surprise that they did that because
they were trying to cultivate their magic one up and
we were going to talk to a little about Bigfoot,
which we're going to do another time. But you know,
for Mormons, Bigfoot is Kine. There's multiple things about it.
And the one strange thing that I found, but it

(52:41):
was lore, is that yes, Cain was a bigfoot and
he actually made babies with some of the Mormon women
and some of their children are from Kin.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Where does this come from? I've never heard that before lore,
that's lore. But I have multi from from.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
The Mormon community, from the Mormons, and a bunch of
I have proof of stories about Kin, not about the children,
but about Kane and and him integrating talking with different people,
coming up on missionaries riding their horse. I've got like
literally the screenshots of this.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
And wait, Caine as Bigfoot or just Kane.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yes, nope, Kin is bigfoot because I know.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
That there's one historical account of a Mormon elder of
some kind that said that he met Caine walking on
the road and Caine told like he was this big,
bigfoot looking guy and then he was biblical Caine, YadA, YadA,
but that but I've always understood it like that was
this one guy, and then other people that try and

(53:43):
tie historical things.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
They talk about that one guy, but does.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Not that one guy. There's multiple accounts, including Joseph F. Smith,
descendant of Joseph Smith, and I have the I'll show
to you right now. Let me pull it up.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Very interesting.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I got it because I can't just be talking nonsense.
I mean it is, you know, their nonsense, but it's
not my nonsense. Basically, So can you see this one?

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Oh? I thought you're going to pull up a picture
of Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Oh I don't have the pic.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
This was just like a newspaper article.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
So yeah, but this is what you're talking about, David W. Patton, right,
this is his. But then we have other people talking
about different accounts, including Elder Joseph Fielding Smith, a member
of the Council of the Twelve, and he is literally
the descendant of Hiram Smith. So they're talking about all

(54:37):
of these people that and it happens. They say that
it happens every time they set the cornerstone for the temple.
And guess what they stopped doing. They stop doing those.
They stop doing cornerstone ceremonies now. I don't know why,
but it's recent.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
So whenever they make a new temple, this would happen when.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
They would lay the cornerstone. This is when this happened.
And he said this would happen often. So it's just strange.
But there's multiple people. David Patton. Then we got Joseph F. Smith.
We got another guy, let me find him. Let's see
brother Patton and family. E Wesley Smith. We've got non

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specific apostle love that one an unspecified grandfather. I mean,
they just Yeah, there's been multiple people that have said
that they've literally talked to these things and that they're
Mormon bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
So if there is a Mormon bigfoot, that that would
imply there has to be a Masonic bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
And guess and guess what. Guess who else brought it
up the profit of the church, and that was Ezra
taff Benson, and he wrote a book and it was
called The Miracle of Forgiveness. Don't read it if you
really want to be forgiven. It makes you sad. It
should be called the Unmiracle of Forgiveness. But whatever they
used to give it to us, you know, when we
were young whatever, like behavior self or else, this could

(56:06):
happen to you. Maybe you'll be Bigfoot. No, not that,
but he did mention bigfoot in there for real.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
So, well, what would happen if you were if you
were bad according to this book?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Well, two ways to interpret it. Either you turn into
a hairy bigfoot or you turn into a black person.
That's fun. No wonder they wanted to hide that. Yeah.
So yeah, the Miracle forgiveness.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
It's the Miracle of forgiveness, and you give this to
Mormon children and it tells them if they're bad.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
The not anymore, not anymore.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
This was did you did you get it when you
were Okay? So this like predates even yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So and people are bringing up mare of Vingian absolutely
that we need to have a talk about Joseph's DNA
and the Marrivingians and some stuff. I found that way too,
And so yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff there.
I don't know, it's weird. It gets weird, it always does.
I just can't understand why. Every time I'm trying to

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listen to some other podcast about none of this stuff,
there's a Mormon you know, I'm like, oh, of course
there is what why are you here?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Well, I.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Was telling you after, like I'll send you some texts
back and forth about a show that I did with
Jamie Hanshaw. We were talking about like Disney and Mormons,
and I was like, let me just brush up really quick.
I knew that there were some things I felt that
the movie Treasure Planet felt like it was kind of
a Mormon movie. And man, it blew my mind because
some people blame certain religions for like controlling Hollywood, and

(57:43):
it's like they're only this percent of the population. Let
me tell you something that Mormons in Hollywood. There are
more Mormons in higher places of power and decision making,
and it's a smaller demographic than any other small religious
group in the States.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
It's two percent.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Forget forget about forget about Hollywood and go to NASA.
That's even more ful.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Go to NASA, Go to Vegas, go to the CIA,
go to Disney. What that was what was blowing my
mind is that we wouldn't have any modern Disney movies.
Snow White, Pinocchio, Mickey Mouse Himself, Ducktails, all of that
Fantasia all came directly from.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
More What is it all about. And what is it
all about? It's all about magic. It's all about magic?
What is it all about?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Right, you're right?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
And they and and why was uh what's his face?
Why did I forget his name? Right now? The main
space guyn? Yes, Why was he in a theological film
made only for Mormons? Why was he in that? Why
was he there? What is happening there?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
You know?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Why are they such good friends with such strange people?
Like we see this constantly and they're you know, at
the top of the top of the top. And honestly,
there's one comment that really gets me. And there's a few,
but there's one from I believe it's John Taylor. I
have to look up the guy's name, and he was

(59:13):
super important. But they were talking about bringing skull and
bones to Utah, and he was like listening, and he said,
they're doing a conspiracy to get rid of Mormonism. And
so they were saying like, now we're in, we just
have to now make them like us, and so it's
like a different branch of Mormonism, and they got rid

(59:33):
of a lot of the people that believe kind of
a different way, which is where we see this split
with Brigham and Joseph and me, and you've talked about
this a lot, you know, so it's very interesting. It's
very interesting to me to see the reformation that really happened,
to see this go underground and become a different thing
underneath Brigham because he was smart enough to not want

(59:55):
to be tard and feathered.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Like he was out like, well, yeah, he was smarter.
I kind of felt this might be a bad I
don't know, maybe this is a good analogy, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Romney, his money and a lot of his uh political
power even come from ban capital and being capital essentially
go into other businesses and do like hostile takeovers and
then like force people out and sell liquidatum and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Who was his partner?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Don't tell me? It was Brigham Young Robert Ay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Of Howard Hughes's company. His dad was the one that
worked for Hughes and he worked for Baine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Okay, okay, well so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Yeah, But the point being is that that Romney, in
my mind, he's kind of like this Brigham Young where
it's like, hey, Joseph, nice company you got there. Let
me just like move in and optimize some stuff for you,
and before you know it, like you're no longer part
of your own religion, and it's going in a completely
different direction than you ever planned on it, and it

(01:00:58):
never falls back. Like one of the things that's the
hardest for me to ignore is if you just get
a picture of every single prophet of the LDS Church
in all of history, it goes young Joseph Smith, and
then old guy, old guy, old guy, old guy, old guy,
old guy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
And like beard beard beard beard beard, and then like
shaved old guy, shave, old guy. Right, but it's never
it's never gone backwards in age by more than like
a couple of years. Right, How how old was Joseph
Smith when he died?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
He was still young?

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah he was early thirties or something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Yeah he was, I gotta look it up, but he's young, yeah,
early thirties.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Like yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Like so when you say that that Brigham Young had
like a different vision, like, yeah, Brigham Young was like
his grandpa, you know, and Joseph Smith was like this
young buck, like like had dreams and things that hadn't
been shattered yet by reality.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Well, and we we know he's obviously involved with witchcraft,
even if it's inadvertently, you would still be like, yeah,
I remember that one time Grandpa hung that witch on
the hill, Like, I mean, it's going to go through
the family, that that's not going to go away. Let's
get real. That was a big deal. And so you know,
it just happens to be just happens to be the

(01:02:12):
same day that Joseph find the plates later, Like that's
bananas to me. I mean hundreds of years later, but
I'm just saying, like the same exact day. That seems
a little too on the nose for me. Was that
a sacrifice? I don't know. I don't know, Like we
know that right before you know, all this goes down,
Joseph's oldest brother dies, their oldest son. Then Joseph's oldest

(01:02:34):
child dies. He's the son. And what did they name
that son? The same name as the dead brother. They
named it Alvin, and he was severely deformed, severely and
Alvin Alvin, and they accidentally poisoned him. I don't know
where it is they accidentally poisoned him and because he

(01:02:54):
had constipation, I guess whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I don't know, but yeah, it was just wasn't thirty
three when he died. I looked it up. He's thirty eight,
thirty eight when he dies there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
So, I mean it's just interesting to me, Like like
you said, he also married William Morgan's widow, Joseph Smith
literally married her. So threw it and she threw a
fit at his funeral. She threw a fat fit that
wasn't alleged. That was all over the place because she
was embarrassing because you don't do that as the one
hundred and tenth wife or something whatever she was, you

(01:03:26):
got to keep your composure. She's supposed to wear like
light gray, not not black. Throwing herself on the coffin,
I know that much. Yeah, his wife was pissed. And
also they don't go into what happens with you know,
a lot of the sons later, like even Brigham Young
had like a cross dressing son. Joseph Smith's last son.

(01:03:48):
When he died, his wife was pregnant and he was
mentally ill and basically, you know, they named him David,
and a lot of people speculate that all the sudden
was put on him and like he just it was sad.
The way he lived and died was awful, and so
it was just he was completely mentally ill and institutionalized.
Most of his life, like this is pretty bad. So

(01:04:11):
I don't know, I don't know. It's very strange to me,
but I do know this. You know, there's a lot
of things about certain clubs the Mormons are always in.
I mean, look at Mitt Romney. You know he's over
the Alfalfa Club. He's the president for a while, Like
he's at the top of the top. Let's not play around.
You know, they've got secret combinations, like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Come on, you think he's second anointed Mitt.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Rob one hundred and ten percent second. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
He did get in trouble for that little scheme that
you're talking about, and he got Robert Siege chucked out
of the Quorum of the seventy. Once you're in, you're
usually in for a life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Wait wait, wait, hold on Korum of the set. How
many quorums are there? There's a twelve, of fifty and
a seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
No one's supposed to know about the fifty. The fifty
is a secret and it's actually made up of not
on Mormons and Mormons, and it kind of controls the
money and the power.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Seventy secret. No, no, no, the seven secret No, no,
not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
And so those nope, just the the the total top,
the first and second counselor in the prophet. So they're
speaking of that. One's interesting. We don't even you know
who Dallan h Oaks. And it's funny we always say
their middle name. I don't know why, but they always
do as they're tapped Benson Dallen h Oaks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, there's two seventy apparently. Oh that's the core of
one hundred and forty. Really, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
If that's the quorum of the fifty and the seventy
is what I've always heard, but I don't know, so
I've always heard of fifty and a seventy. But either way,
what whichever, I've only heard of the two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
But too much mas.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Well will it's all about that. But anyway, Yeah, it
gets interesting. And the guy now that is the prophet
of the church. You know, he was involved in electricy.
He tried to electrocute the gay out of people when
he was younger, CIA affiliated. There's documents to prove it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
It turns out it makes you gay. Actually being electrocuted
will make you gay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, he definitely didn't do a good job then because
he was definitely electrocuting everybody out there, b yu, he
gets involved in some trouble, he gets fired from BYU.
You know who his his family, His great great uncle
was the not smart one. This is actually I mean,

(01:06:44):
you know Martin Harris, you know where.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Oh yeah, the dumb the dumb, dumb, dumb guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's his great great uncle. Do you know
Martin Harris once said, since we're talking about bigfoot and animals,
he said, he walked in the woods as one does,
and God came to him as a deer, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
You know for a fact that he came.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
And he told Joseph about that, and he's like, sure
he did, Martin, Sure, Oh oh, dear.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Boy. I know another guy came and told him, Hey,
I got a rock and I got some prophecies too,
And he's like, no, you don't throw it away.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I mean, you know what it is, though, if if
you are are like a prophet and you were able
to convince everyone, you're going to be attracting people out
of the woodwork. It's like, Joseph, I got a pet
rock too. Look, my brock talks to me and you
kind of have to like deal with that. But you
can't really acknowledge it, because then they would be competing
for your authority, right, so you got to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Shut around that well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
And then what happens as everybody's supposed to, you know,
go behind his son upholding the church. But that's not
what happened, and Brigham kind of takes over and does
a hostile takeover. Mother Smith is not one to be
messed with, though she kind of did a flex. She
wrote a book and she put some secrets in there
that only he would understand. And it's very interesting what

(01:08:09):
she did. I actually applaud her. He ended up having
to pay her for a very long time because of it.
I think she was going to expose a lot of
the stuff and Dartmouth and all these different connections that
we're talking about. Oh, universalist is what I was. I
meant to tell you earlier about the religion. They yeah, yeah, so,

(01:08:30):
and she was putting the flex on ol Brigham, and
he ordered to have all the books destroyed and then
they didn't, and it was a whole scandal, and even
to this day, if you don't get a certain version
of that book, but mother Smith wrote, it's it's missing
pieces because they cut it up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
So pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Yeah, it's pretty fun. But Martin Harris was not smart.
He was opposite of smart. He was very interesting though.
But all these people, when you're talking about when the
church breaks up and there isn't a specific line to
take over, all these people people went their own separate ways.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
That's where we get the guy that went out to
Wisconsin and he became king of Beaver Island, and you know,
I got relatives from that disaster, and then we got
you know, other people going other ways. And I always
find it interesting when people talk about the Satanic branch
of the LDS. That is where this comes in. And
I do think they mean like a darker magical order

(01:09:23):
where they kept to more of the magic but took
it like maybe a step toward Crowley.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, so there's Satanic Mormons.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
M Well, Russell m Nelson's daughter was involved in quite
the scandal. That was a sexual abuse scandal if you
read the Pace memo about and it was unfounded. So
I guess she's innocent. Where they were taking kids underneath
the temple in the basement and doing some quite strange things.
Let alone.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Okay, I mean this sounds like standard fair satanic panic stuff.
This is like McMartin preschool territory.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
But there's a lot of evidence for this one, let alone.
The guy that was Levitt was one of the attorneys
attorney general here and in the middle of some press
conference he just stood up and went, I am not
a cannibal and I do not eat children. Everybody went,
you bro Levitt, he was the attorney general. He literally

(01:10:21):
said this on TV and then he had to move
to Scotland and he bought a castle.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
So where and those Catholics, We've actually come stocked with
children for you to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
So that's kind of crazy that he went there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
WHOA, Yeah, I'm not even kidding that one. It's a
very interesting story. There's a lot of proof on this one,
like actual proof and in statements, and it's really did it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I don't, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
I don't think that this is too crazy. I mean,
I realized that it's it's controversial to say that. But
let's imagine that you are as hardcore of a Mormon
that you possibly could be, and that you genuinely do
believe that Joseph Smith was using magic and talisman's and
a nooki magic and reading the magus and you know,

(01:11:10):
reading all this like Caglio stro style Memphis misery impra.
Let's just say that you believed all that and you
got that deep into it. There is a like a
sliding scale where you're like, you know what, I'm gonna
be ten times as magic as Joseph Smith ever did.
And this does start venturing, especially if you believe the
Necromanzi stuff. It ventures into some dark territory where I

(01:11:32):
guess you could say that it would be like satanic Mormonism,
but I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
They themselves call it, or other Mormons looking at them,
or like those are Satanic Mormons.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Oh though, people listen. There was this chick that used
to do a YouTube channel on it, and she made
it on Sam and guess what, as soon as she
made it on Sam, she freaking disappeared. And now she
has a cooking show and she just talks about making
weed bread or shit. For real, This girl quit talking
about it. She just buckled it up and that was
it for real.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah, Yeah, she made it on Sam. You guys can
find it on there if you put in Satanic Church
of Mormon or something. And she made it on I
think her name was chill or queen, and then boom,
she was gone. She doesn't do it anymore. She talked,
she has a cooking show. I'm not playing. And that's

(01:12:29):
why I'm careful what I say about Skinwalker Ranch. Dude,
That's why I'm careful what I say about certain people.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
How do you know they didn't reach out and give
her money? Maybe maybe you should lean into it and
then and then.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I'll just never sell it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Ale. Yeah, I don't know, but they did start a
weed cooking show, not just a cooking show.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
So it's a good idea. We start a cooking show
so that we can infiltrate other cooking shows.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
That's it. That's it. That's what we're gonna do. You're
too busy right now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
One day, one day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
We can't even do two shows a month.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
We can maybe get there, we can maybe get there.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
You're busy, Yeah, you're you're doing Uh, you've been busy
with We've read the documents. I saw you got a
new one for Mondays there too. I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
I don't know if they're still in here. I saw
someone was posting that we got everything wrong with.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
The Idaho murders I'm open to it, man, I'm open
if there there's some alternative. So I'm I just started
today earlier today on Mondays. Going forward, I'm dropping some
mainstream documentary reviews. And we started out on True Crime,
and we watched the three different documentaries about the Idaho murders,
and I walked away with a certain impression just from

(01:13:48):
the three mainstream documentaries. So maybe I got mk ultra side,
you know, like like hoodwinked a little bit. I won't
deny that that might have happened, but I came way
with my own opinions on it, and it just seemed
like it was a silly case that got out of control.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
On TikTok, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Haven't gone through it enough because anything that's relevant to
the here and now, even with Charlie Kirk and everything
that's happened, I'm really careful because if we're wrong that
and you say it didn't happen, and it did happen,
I just don't know how I feel about that. Like
I've said, small bits and pieces. By the way, right

(01:14:28):
before he got murked, he was talking about Mormons. Just
so people know, there's a clip out there where he
talks about his team being Mormons on how much he
loved the Mormons, and then he said there wasn't factual
proof for the Book of Mormon, and the next thing
we know, but bam, So, I don't know what's going
on there. All I do know is I don't think
you should do that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Are there any Mormon assassins that have ever?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Hell, yes there is, Okay, I guess that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Yeah, yeah, they're all in there. And I think what
is happening is there's a new age form of Mormonism
that is trying to bring back and maybe this is
your maybe this is your flavor. You gotta find them.
I don't know, ask Andreas so the new age type
where they're like woo woo, new age more into the
magical stuff and they're not necessarily in with the whole Hm,

(01:15:21):
how will I put this three letter religion? Okay, the
Israeli religion, whereas the old Mormons are absolutely in bed
with them and have been for a very long time.
And so when we look at those two things, I
don't know that you can really talk about that unless

(01:15:42):
you want to get mrked because the old Mormon's still
running this bitch like they got all the money and
maybe you guys are coming up and that's cool and all,
but you just don't want to go there. I think
that that's going to be a problem. So there's that.
That's my thoughts anyway. It's just a thought. I have
no proof.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Do you think when a Mormon gets high up in
the CIA, are they still more dedicated to the Mormon
Church or do you think some of them are like
more dedicated to the CIA.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
That's a hard one because they hate the government, but
they love the government. They hate the government, you know,
it's it's it's weird, right. Yeah, I'm not suicidal either.
Somebody put that in the comments. I'm just reading it anyway.
So I don't know. I really truly believe there is

(01:16:31):
no line between the two anymore. So much for the
true blue TBM Mormons, right, but these new ones, these
new ones are a little different, and I can't prove
that they even exist. But I see some things, right,
I see these magical things that certain people are saying
and on TikTok and on Instagram, and I'm like, oh,

(01:16:53):
that seems different. I hope you're going to make it
out okay, Like, I don't know that that's something you
want to go public with right there, but you know whatever,
I don't know. So, yeah, it's a little scary. And
somebody said, I think she meant LDS. No, I mean Mormons,
because the Mormons are what they were when I Well,

(01:17:19):
they don't like to be called that anymore. But absolutely
when I grew up, they were called Mormons, So that's
what I call them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Mormons don't like to be called Mormons.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah, they don't want to be called it anymore. And so,
you know whatever, A lot of people say, the LDS
is more the church entity with like the Banking CIA group,
and Mormons are more magical and they're over here in
this group. But when I was young, it was all
the same.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
So that's what I probably wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
But if you're in the LDS, what is what is
your Holy book called? What's the name of your Holy book?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Oh, it's all the same, yeah, except.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
The Book of Mormon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Well it is. But if you're FLDS or an older LDS,
they do have the unabridged versions and they still do
not intermingle with black people, and there's a whole lot
more rules.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
But it's but they're all called Book of Mormon, are
they not. Yeah? Okay, so I mean they're Mormon. I
don't understand what the debates about.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah. Well, yeah, the president of the church said not
to call them Mormon, but I don't care. When I
was young, the president of the church said we were
proud to be Mormons. There was a slogan for that,
so like, it is what it is like that, but
that was literally a real slogan when I was growing up,
saying you should be proud to be Mormons and stand
up to be Mormon and dah da da like so
they change it with every flavor. It's like ice cream.

(01:18:37):
It's like this guy likes vanilla better than mint, and
the last guy liked mint. So you got to do
what they say this time. And I just don't play
their games because I'm out. So yeah, I don't care about.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
The word is just the m word, and if you
say Mormon with a hard R then it's actually derogatory.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah, but I'm gonna say what I want to say
Mormons and get around it. I mean, I grew up
in it and it is literally my culture, So I'm
going to say what I grew up as because it's
part of my life. But I understand that the LDS
Church wants to be called that now, but you know,
for me, just for me, I'm gonna call it what

(01:19:18):
I grew up with because that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
It was, you know, Okay, I honestly, maybe you've mentioned
that before, but I never knew that they were not
supposed to refer to themselves as Mormons. And it's even
you telling me it doesn't make sense because I don't know,
like you, that ship has sailed over one hundred years ago,
Like you can't just say, you know, it's what was

(01:19:41):
the Michael Scott like he just declares bankruptcy by screaming
it out loud, Like it doesn't work like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
There's way more now now, I'm not that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
No, I'm I'm not gonna be that. And I think
it's because you know, there's a lot of negative connotation
mixed in with it. So yeah, it's like a slur
to them, but it didn't used to be. The thing
that's weird is that they literally had a slogan that
used to say I'm proud to be a Mormon. So
I'm like, did why did this change? But I mean,

(01:20:10):
whichever way they do it, you know, it's who knows
what Oaks will do. Who knows what President Oaks will do.
It's it's wild who knows. Yeah, No, I understand, bloody No,
I'm not being mean. I'm just saying that's like for
me what I say, No, I knew what you were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
I disagree.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
It's still it's still just it's hard to understand. Hearing
it for the first time, I get it, but it
doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Still, Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me, But I
get what she was doing there. She was trying to
like explain what the profits of the church say now,
and they are they're trying to rebrand everything, you know,
just like they rebranded that they were from Palmyra, New York.
You've never ever once heard about Joseph Smith being from Massachusetts.
No one talks about that. No one says, what, wait, what, well,

(01:20:59):
what do you talk about? There was nothing about that
in anything I ever read. And also supposedly, you know,
they lost all their money because you know, his mother
had quite a dowry when she got married, because they
had money, and so both families had money, and the
brother had done well in business and gave her this
big dowry that they had supposedly lost it in Gin sing.

(01:21:23):
That's the biggest far fet shit I've ever heard. I
don't know what the story is with that one, but
there's a story there. I'll have to figure that out
because I don't know. Like, we put all our money
in the gin, sing, so now we don't have any
more money. Like, what are you talking about? It seems strange,
And you know they're running out of town just the

(01:21:44):
same time that you know the Dartmouth doctors running out
of town because they ran him out of town for
digging up bodies? And what did Joseph's dad do again? Oh,
that's right, he was a treasure digger. Why did they
sleep by Alvin's body for three weeks? Well, if I
was a digger of some sort and I was worried
about somebody doing unto me what I had done unto others,

(01:22:06):
a little geenan out in the cemetery, I don't know
that I would want my son out there alone at night?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Is that what it was?

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Because I mean this is I don't understand how the
treasure digging or ghost logic works. But if you've got
a brother or a son that was treasure digging with
you and then they die, I would go out into
the middle of the field with like their ashes or
by a well headstone or something and be like because
now they can like float underground and they can like

(01:22:36):
find the treasure and point it out you and come
back up and be like, it's right down here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Well, they did say that the angel required Alvin to
come the next time they met, right. So the problem
with that was he died. So everybody jokes that he
had a little hand in bringing hormonism. And we know
that they dug up you know, High and Joseph. We
know that they dug up all these people a whole

(01:23:02):
bunch of times. They moved Highram and Joseph three times
that they'll actually admit to do. I think there's any
bones anywhere for them people anymore. Well, I don't think
they're in the dirt, that's for sure. I mean, the
templars carried around ahead, so they say, so. I just
think they figured out some things and they wanted to
make sure right. I mean, I don't think they'd want

(01:23:25):
them just a loosey goosey somewhere. No, no way, your
spirit supposedly stuck in your skull.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
So well, let me let me bring us in for
a landing a little bit. So we're coming up on Halloween,
and I realize that Mormons are not the same as
Jehovah's witnesses. Mormons they do celebrate Halloween, right, they can
dress up and love it. Secretary, Yeah, they love it right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
They absolutely won up each other. It is when you
live in Utah for all holidays. It is like the
one up capital of the universe. So everybody decorates to
the max max. But they play. They do Halloween carnivals
at the at the church, they do trunk or treat
at the church. They're completely involved.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Are there any costumes off limits in Mormonism? No, you
could go, well a little too fast. I can come
up with some examples. You'd be like, well, no, that's
not allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Can you be a sexy nurse Mormon? I feel like
that would probably not be allowed, right?

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Or is that is that normal? Now? Even in the
Mormon community.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Have you ever seen the dumb Mormon wives show? All right,
it's like their time to shine. It's the night that
you can leave that stuff off, you know, your magical
Mormon undies and be a little controversial.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Okay, you can dress up like well, I was gonna say,
dress up like the devil. But I guess in the
endowment ceremony you're allowed to the devil. Yeah, I guess
really is off?

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Yeah, they I mean like the kids have gone all
bloody and weird when they were young, like with zipper
face and crazy stuff, like they've never said anything.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
They don't care black face.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Well, they might like that one too much.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
It's very very historically accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Really, Yeah, it's a you know, that's kind of the
other way that that goes for the Bigfoot part of
it is Nephelm Caine. The other half is big scary
black people. Is basically what they said. And I'm like,
that is your.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Nope, that is bad.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
I'm like, okay, we're leaving that there. I'm gonna go
with the Harry Nephelim.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
What when you were younger trigger treating on Halloween as
a Mormon? What was like the best thing?

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
I mean, maybe it's just any normal kid and maybe
I'm just throwing the Mormon part in, but was there
like certain things that you'd look out for, like what
was the what was the best candy? And like a
Mormon neighborhood, do they just give out like vanilla wafers?

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Oh no, So let me give an example. The houses
down the street. They're literally micro mansions, like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Right now, in twenty twenty five, right now, and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
We take our kids down there because they do bounce
houses in the front yard. They have hot cocoa, they
do hot cider. They have full sized candy bars.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
And not hot drinks. Yes, yes, they have a only
or like hot drinks anytime they want.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Now, No, this is just for Halloween. And they open
up their big mansions and they have these big tables
and tables full of you know, just pick one, but
they're king sized candy bars. You can pick what the
parents too, Like this is just a few houses near me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
If you have the bucket that says just pick just
one please, would most more unattended if there was no
adults around. Would most Mormon kids only take one?

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Or no? And last year they had a cotton candy thingy.
Last year they had a guy making full on cotton
candy for everybody, like a cotton candy machine guy. Yeah,
this is more.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Hardcore than any ever I've ever heard of any town
going out, even in Salem. They don't do cotton candy, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Telling yeah, right, yeah, no, they go wild. Okay, right now,
like two blocks from my mom, there is a yard,
and we don't want to talk about my yard because
I'm just as bad. But they have like at least
four like thirty to fifty feet tall, like those huge skeletons.
I don't know how tall they are, but they're the
giant giant skeletons, and like people just go crazy here,

(01:27:36):
like crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Is there any chance during October is there ever a
Mormon temple where people can go to temple dressed up
as like zombies and vampires.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
You can go them all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
No, not allowed in the temple.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Okay, yeah, you can go to the church parking lot,
but you know that the church. So if there's any
temple near you that is getting dedicated soon, if you
want to go to the temple before it's dedicated, of course,
nothing weird is going to be happening at that time,
which is funny because people always say, well, you know,
you can go to the temple before they're dedicated. I'm like, yeah,

(01:28:10):
well they're not doing anything. Then you've dumb, dumb, like
you're just walking through a building. But you can go
walk through the building. But the Salt Lake City one
is coming up, so you might want to check into
that where you're coming out soon.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
So I'm just I'm just going to be in the
airport for a layover in Salt Lake City. But it's
not out for more than that. It's found its way
onto my top ten of places that I want to
go now worldwide. Like it like Salt Lake Cities actually
like in my top ten now because I've been lucky,
you have to go to some of my other top ten,

(01:28:42):
so I've bumped them all out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Well, you should check around you like your area. Any
of the temples that are brand new, before they're sealed,
they do this open house and you can go for free.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
So before they're sealed, do they only steal once or
is this like a frequent thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
No, they dedicate them so before they do anything in them,
that's like you know, their stuff. Any of their ceremonies
they have people come and see how beautiful the buildings are.
That's where all the pictures of the temples come from.
They're like, see, there's nothing spooky here, you silly guys,
there's no devil in this ceremony. I'm like, yeah, there's

(01:29:19):
no ceremony. What are you talking about of course, not
like I was there. I know the Devil comes, I
was there, but yeah, it's I actually heard they changed it.
I've heard that they've kind of given up on PEW.
I think they made it instead of a two hour
magical you know masonry thing where you have to memorize stuff, right, Okay,

(01:29:40):
you understand about how important memorization is with things. Now
they're like, here's some cue cards. Okay, Lucy, you come
with me, Come and say these words right here, and
then move to the second go to the second stall,
go go, and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
They look here for actually the fall of Europe is
I understand it. And to bring it full circle back
to Disney again that in nineteen fifty five, I think
it was that the Mormon Church was able to get
a three minute segment of Fantasia and they put that
in the endowment ceremony. And the reason that they did
it was because they had just opened the first European

(01:30:18):
temple in Switzerland, and in order to do this endowment ceremony, normally,
like you said, they would have to like everyone has
to memorize all these lines. But now since it's the
first one in Europe, all these different languages are coming together,
and it's like what it is like that guy can
do his part in like Swedish and that guy's going
to do his part in Dutch. No, so they standardize

(01:30:39):
it and they turn it into a more of a
passive experience where you don't have to memorize anything. You
just kind of watch like a little movie that they
put on, or have people come and recite Q cards.
And now one of the recent episodes we did with
about how they just did a temple right outside the Vatican.
So now here's another version of you can't expect everyone
that's going to be in and outside the Vatican to

(01:31:01):
all be speaking the exact same language. And if this
is your one chance to get them through the ceremony,
then you have to cater to more people than less.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
So yeah, it's it's kind of uh, they're no longer
doing like the good old part that like Grandma. They're
not cutting Grandma on the knee anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
They well, Grandma was naked in the bathtub, like you know.
And so look, I just am saying this. Do you
really think that they shorten their ceremonies for their people.
I don't think they did. I think their ceremonies are
longer and just as magical as they ever were. The
rest of us are porch. Mormons make it through cattle guard.

(01:31:38):
Come on, people, we gotta make this look real. And
that's all they care about. In my opinion, that's just
an opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
That would be sad. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Maybe they care about some. I mean I think that
they they know who is you know, special, and maybe
they'll have them go. But same thing for the missions.
You know, like if they're going on a mission, that's
the perfect time to say, oh, yes, little Johnny went
on a mission to the Netherlands. No he didn't. He
went off to magic school and then learn some averc Yeah, like,

(01:32:10):
I mean, it's perfect. Think about it. It is perfect
to send them off to a mystery school and have
them learn all the things they need to know, or
go to CIA training or whatever they're doing, and then
it's covered up by the regular people riding their bikes
and getting them stolen. Like we've talked about the Yeah,
the muggles.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Yeah, that would be a great story too.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
The Mormon missionary gets a signed to Hogwarts and he's like, wait,
what you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Would love it? They would understand, like they would get
it because I mean they're talking to toads. Think about this.
I mean, we know about the toads, and you know,
even though they're not that's the whole thing. But anyways,
the elementals. Speaking of elementals, you know, one of the
things they did in Salem to check the people for

(01:32:55):
this is bad. I forgot to tell you this earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
This is funny kind of was a handshake.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Nope. One of their examinations. And most of these people
are women, they had to check them for their witches
titty I'm not kidding. And they had to feel their
boobs and like some made casts of their boobs and
if their boobs were weird or they had an extra nipple,
that was to feed their elemental not kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Oh, I've heard I've heard about that one before. That's
the witch's yeah. Or if you have like a tail
or something like, it's like ale.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
If give them ale, shit, you're in trouble. Oh my gosh,
Like I mean these were.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
This is this is like some old like like fifteen
hundred's masonry talk here, but there was a very ancient
version of masonry when this was also part of the
initiation ritual. Is that and people are going to take
this in a weird sexual way, and I don't think
it was like that, but who knows, but that you'd

(01:33:56):
basically have to strip down and they would inspect your
entire body and looking for flaws, and that it was
this this like over application of a previous rule that
basically said, if you want to be an operative mason
and actually work and you know, climb and like do
the work, that you couldn't have any physical deformities to you.

(01:34:18):
And what they were really talking about was like, you
can't have a crooked finger, you can't be missing a leg,
like all these things. But over time, as the game
of telephone gets played, it almost turned into like if
you've got a nasty looking mole or something on your shoulder,
like that's the mark of an impure person, that that
that you inherently have some sort of defect with you personally,

(01:34:39):
and now you can't be a mason for that either,
And they over time they like phased all that out.
But that's sort of the same thing like if you
had a witch's tit, you can't be amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Why do you think Joseph Smith fought so hard to
keep his leg? Hmm? Right, he had typhoid fever, and
his mother and he fought to keep that lake and
they actually signed up for like an experimental surgery basically
and went through tons of pain. In fact, at one
point they said they they let off over two quarts

(01:35:10):
of puffs from his leg and he's like nine, Like
he's this little kid, and this is going on and on,
and they're just actually removing the infected bone instead of
actually removing the leg. And he was one of the
first where this really worked. Funny enough, you know, his
mom couldn't remember the doctor's name, and I found it
super interesting because his last name was Smith, Nathaniel Smith.

(01:35:34):
He went on to form another medical school, that's right,
the medical School at Yale.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
And on and on we go.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
They say they're not related. They're related on both sides
as very distant cousins of both parents, so and they'll
just say they're not and that's great. Like, I don't
know what else to tell you, but you know, it's
interesting to me that what you're mentioning with the Mormon
Church was only phased out not very long ago. Because
my great grandma, not my great great grandma, my great

(01:36:04):
grandma was naked in a tub being examined and totally
immersed in oil. And she told me to shut my
damn mouth in the middle of the temple thing as
I'm like crying. She was not she was not amused.
She basically told me to button it up. And she
literally said I was completely naked. Quit your wining. She

(01:36:27):
told me to cut it out. So and for the
alcohol thing, yeah, he couldn't drink alcohol, but we're not
one hundred percent sure if he drank beer or not.
Because they could drink beer as long as they made it.
So they had a beer store. Actually they ran a
beer and beer in something store like goodies, but they

(01:36:48):
have to make their own and it's a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
So and you're not supposed to get.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
You can't get high on your own supply. I assume
that came from the Mormons. Originally, well, they would.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Drink, but you know, his dad was an alcoholic, so
there was some back and forth on that. And then
you know, even in the layman's there's some things about
depression because if you drink too much, you're probably not
in the best mental health, so there was stuff about that.
It's pretty it's pretty interesting, but yeah, I think you
can't be drunk. You can't be a drunkard. So his

(01:37:22):
dad kind of had a rep. In fact, his dad
was not allowed to join masonry for really, I don't
know if he ever could because he just couldn't get
it together. The brother, all of them, everybody else but
his dad had a rough time. But if he would
have lost his leg, who knows what would have happened there. Right,
you can't be a Mason, then that was all he
ever wanted. They literally when he was born, he came

(01:37:45):
out with the call, which means the bag intact. So
when they came out, his dad ran all around. This
is like tons of people have wrote this down in
their diaries and different accounts, that he was going to
be a seer and that was because he was born
with the veil over his eyes. And so they literally

(01:38:06):
said they knew from a very young age that he
would be, you know, this seer. So also fun fact
for people that don't know, one of Joseph's very first
rock's little magic rocks he was ever exposed to was
the green one I showed you last time. I can
even pull it up if we want. It was Sally
Chase's rock and Sally Chase's Rock was his neighbor, and

(01:38:31):
his neighbor went on to marry doctor Nathaniel Smith, not
apparently related.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
I love how they just deny so bad, Like I'm like,
lean into it. Yeah, yeah, we freaking love Bigfoot. Yeah,
I don't know why there's so much denial. All right,
if you want to add that, there's Sally Chase's rock,
and that was the first one he ever used. He
was pretty enamored with it. He went on to find
his own on the Chase property out will So his

(01:39:03):
was this one, so people can know, and he stole it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
But you know, whatever, is this the chocolate one?

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Yeah? I don't think this is the magic one. Honestly,
they say this is, but I don't think it is,
only because of the fact that this white one only
we only have a rendition of the white one and
it has never ever been photographed, and it's locked up
like locked up, like down in the tunnels. So I'm

(01:39:33):
if I was a betting lady, I would say maybe
the white one, but hey, what do I know. He
had a lot of them. He even had one that
looked like a big piece of pooh, so.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Was a stone chances that Joseph Smith found every single
magical rock in the entire United States and there's no
more left.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
I mean, hey, he did know what he was doing.
I mean, he was digging up, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
I mean if one guy can get in possession of
three or four magical searstones in his short life of
like thirty eight years, and he found most of those
but before he was even thirty, right, So that means statistically,
every one of us could potentially be finding three or

(01:40:19):
four magic stones each. And there's how many people in
the United States, Like, that's a lot of magic searstones.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
I mean he had the stones, he had, you know,
the bones of giants. He had two mummies, I think
two or more mummies. They were actually charging admission to
come and see the mummies at his mom's house. I mean,
that's pretty fascinating. If nothing else, I'll give Joseph this.
And this is why I always tell you when you
make me do the choice between Brigham and Joseph, that

(01:40:48):
I would definitely choose Joseph if I had no other choice, right,
no other choice, because he did believe in what he
was doing, and damn he was interesting. He really was interesting.
You know, Brigham was kind of a dick, I mean whatever. Yeah,
he had ties to the railroad, and that's where it
all goes. You know, I'm running away from America. Hey

(01:41:09):
can you help us build the railroad? Sure, sure we can.
They didn't call on the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
See what he was doing. I think he was smart.
He understood how to play the game more than Joseph
Smith did.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
And what did he do? He sent people not only there,
but to Canada, Mexico, Real, Mexico, further further. That's where
the Romneys went.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Hawaii thing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Guess who did the whole Who was it that pulled
Hawaii together? The Gays, the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Gaze and back to be more specific now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
I know it's uh so it's it's Bill Gay, who
worked for Howard Hughes. He's the one that did the
Polynesian Center out there. He's the one that made that
whole thing mainstream YEP, one hundred percent. And these families
are connected to every other very important family, let alone
the fact that they say they're Mari Ofingian. I've got
really interesting stuff for a DNA show on Joseph Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
So okay, well we've got one of those coming up.
What else are you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Every time we talk, You're like, you're going on a
bigger and bigger show. What's the big one now? Getting
interviewed by like Obama or something?

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Ye, not Obama. Yikes, I think wait, I have to
comment on this. Brigham. Oh yeah, Brigham was a huge dick.
Yeah you was, but he had a small one. I
think you're right because he only had he had fifty
wives and fifty five children. The math ain't math, and yikes.
So I just wanted to say that I think Joseph
was far better at keeping his cup from overflowing and

(01:42:38):
keeping his magical practices. We'll say that I did go
on a big show, and I'm hoping it will be
out very soon. I went on almost false, so that
should be out really soon.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Congratulations, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Thank you. What have you been up to?

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
What happened up too? Well? I guess I'll just plug
the under the doc series again, and also for the
rest of this entire month. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
I think part of it is just because I'm trying
to get the episodes when I record them. Now, if
we talk about something topical and then it comes out
like a month later, it's like a little bit dated,
so I'm trying to just get rid of all my
entire backlog and just fly by the seat of my
pants here. So for the rest of this month, every
single day, I've got one, sometimes two, sometimes three brand

(01:43:28):
new premiere show. Like today there was a premiere at
one o'clock, a premiere at three thirty for my interview,
and now we're doing a live So that's three shows
one day, and it's gonna be kind of like that
for the rest of this entire month. Every single day
on YouTube at three point thirty Eastern you'll find some
kind of a new interview or documentary review or conspiracy

(01:43:49):
something on my YouTube channel and or a cult Disney
and that'll go all the way through the end of
the month. And then on thirtieth and thirty first, we've
got two Halloween movies for a Cold Disney. We're doing
Pocus Pocus and we're doing Halloween Town and uh yeah.
So that's if you if you want, just like NonStop
content for the rest of this entire month, and it's

(01:44:11):
on the audio podcast too, So just like a paranoid American.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Now, I'm sad because I didn't get asked for one
no to be on your every day of the month October.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Well again, I'm flushing my backlog here. I'm not like recording.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
You're like, you're not recording every day.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
I want cold Disney whenever you want to pick out
a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Okay, I was supposed to be on uh, we were
gonna do one and then I think it just got
too busy. It was a I think Elsa. I can't remember.
It was a while back, but we never set it
up and it got lost in the sauce because we
were both going crazy. We've both been.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Working like like wild and so before the year's up,
for sure you'll be on Disney this year.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
People always ask me about the show as many shows
as I do, which I swore i'd only ever do
one show, and like, as far as show's going now,
I'm like, I don't know, five or six shows. I
don't even know anymore. But it's been fun, you know,
I do enjoy it, and but we get a lot
of compliments on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
So it's a great show. It seriously is.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
I think people like it hopefully. I think we try
to bring interesting things each time.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
If you want more of these shows and you don't
want us to end it. We'll end it. This could
be the last show ever if you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Don't do the little thumbs that hit the little thumbs
up and hit the subscribe and add a little comment.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Uh. And if you don't do that, this is literally
the last show and you'll never hear from us again.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Oh we're gonna be devastated. And please go give us
an Apple review because they matter, they really do. So anyway,
that's my little speech on it. Also, if you guys
are only watching me on YouTube, you're getting at least
only half of my shows because they doing me so much.
I got tired of it. And I have over two
hundred shows on my my Spotify, So.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
Okay, I uh yeah, I accidentally didn't censor an interview
that I had with Mariam Panine, the Bee Lady that
George Floyd.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Now everything's fine. Cold.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
YouTube has been doing this weird thing where they're giving
people second chances. Now they're letting you talk about things
that didn't let you talk. I think it's a honeypop.
But either way, I forgot the sensor and it totally
was fine. It played ads. I didn't get a strike
or anything, So I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Know every time. Every time I do one about Mormonism
with JJ, they demonetize me immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Okay, well, I think I'm bringing a level of respect
that maybe you guys aren't bringing to that particular show.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
To the Mormon Church.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
He likes to bring clips, he likes to do clips, and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
They Okay, well that's also probably part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Yep, it's a situation. But that's all right. I do
have a ton more content on there and on my Patreon.
We're still doing the medical series and this we are
doing grotesque medical things that can happen to you, and
there is some crazy things.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
So I'm out. I can't I can't take it. I
can't take any of that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Yeah, okay, well we'll follow Heidi for weird medical stuff
or follow me for fun stuff, fun non medical stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
There it is. We got two different types.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Happy Halloween. Uh go out there and I don't know
what did you say the best Mormon?

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Uh? Go get your cotton candy king sized candy bar
and your cocoa to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Go the real thing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
Okay, go get your hot chocolate and apple slider and
cotton candy for Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
That's not a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
It's here.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
Yeah, Yeah, screw my life away, drive page light break
if you the slight play paper, the highs of blaze,
somewhat of an amazing feel. When it's real, the real,

(01:48:04):
you will engage in your favorite of coourse.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
The lord of an arrangement.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
I gave you the proper results to hit the pavement.
If they your emotional hate may be your language the game,
how they playing it well without Lake's evading whatever the
costs see are the championship. Thanks get to cappetated that
it's the apex executional flame.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
You walk your little bombs distributed in war.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Rather crucome my eyes to see maxim out and I
light my trees flowing off in the face. You're despising
me for what thought calculady did.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Rather cut throat heery.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
Lord America must be all the blust spoke for real. Lord,
give me your day, your way, vacate They wait around
that hate whatever they say, Man, it's not in the
least bit we get. Have you rotate when it beat
hit some things because you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Well from the nigga's the well you welcome. They ain't
ever had a deal.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
You welcome, man, They.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Lacking a pill. You welcome, Yet they going it's Still
you're welcome,

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