232. Politics of the Utah Brethren

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm awake, are you. I wonder how many miles I've fallen.
It seems I'll get to the center of the yearth curious,
isn't it? And really nothing is quite impossible. Let's go
now to our new episode of the Unfiltered Rise with
me Heidy Love.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hadi. Folks, your host Double jback here coming at you
Live slash Live for another Operation GCD Fridays. Once again,
your hosts of Operation GCD JJ veins here and perhaps
more notably not the Vice President, So won't belabor these
points any longer here further, well, any further here, folks

(00:44):
of the innerwebs, Thank y'all for joining me here tonight
to get a little GCD and got a real barn
burner here on deck for you all tonight. Gonna be
talking a lot of Mormon paarapolitics with a couple fellow
ex Mormons like myself, Love and Jacob J. From Rise
to Liberty and U. We also have bt Wallace joining us,

(01:06):
host of the Truth and Shadow podcast, for this Friday's
weekly round table on conspiracy culture topics and high weirdness.
Yes Live Slash Live, Yes, sir, so On that note,
let's welcome in our guest for this s evening. How
do you love? How you doing, ma'am? Hey always, thanks
for joining me the old GCD tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, I'm excited, excited to chat and always a pleasure
to talk to you JJ always.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
And you know my theories, ma'am. All roads lead back
to the society of the Cincinnati. We're gonna get into
some of that tonight here regarding recent events in Mormon
country of Deseret, regarding Charlie Kirk and also joining us
fellow ex Mormon Jacob j This dude's out here trying
to out JJ and me. I'll have none of it, sir,
Thanks for joving.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Anytime. Man, Thank you so much for having me on again.
And I told you, man, you were just way too
much of a unique JJ. There's no way I can
out JJU.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, thank you our own jjis.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Well one.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Second, sir, I apologize. HII. Do you have any plugs
for Unfiltered Rise podcasts?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I'm sure sure everybody find me at Unfiltered ricepodcast dot com.
Also find me on all your favorite whatever podchaser you like.
I do have a Patreon if you can't get enough,
and where we do a medical series. It's been very
fun circus old school like conjoined twins. All kinds of

(02:40):
wild stuff is going on over there, and it's about
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and Janet will be doing quite a scary medical you know, ghoulish,
ghastly surprise, so come check it out.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Nice, nice, well, I appreciate that and the gain. Thank
you for joining me here tonight, ma'am to get a
little GCD and Jacob J Sir Rise the Liberty host
of the Rise Liberty podcast producer have already dead. I
like what you baratun infrequently big fan of AWP there,
Austin way Picard and his his researches. So what what
what else y'all been working on over there, either one

(03:18):
of those shows, any plugs you're working on I want
to mention.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
So right now over on Rise to Liberty. I've actually
been pretty pretty silent on the live stream front, although
I did just do a huge two and a half
hour live stream all about the basics of psyops and
propaganda breaking down, you know, some of the manipulative tactics
that allow you know, some of these clandestine operations to

(03:46):
be able to come in and manipulate us, and really
a lot of what we've been seeing through the Charlie
Kirk coverage because none none of this makes sense. I
mean absolutely none of it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
So you and I caught that show you're talking about.
I highly recommend it. I'll put the link for both
your all shows in the show notes. But yes, sir,
that was a great, great coverage you did there, and
great insight of these matters, because nothing makes sense about it,
not a single lick of that tale from any aspect,
of any corner of it.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
No, it sure does it, And honestly, it just seemed like,
you know, everyone kind of needed a refresher on the
basics of a psyop and propaganda. You know, it's always
good to go back to the basics, to the foundation,
and then you can build off from there. And once
you see those basics, you can kind of pick out
everything going on from there.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Speaking of Church of Satan, I'd like to invite you,
I think I've already done this before once again for
a future Thursday show Operation GCD Thursdays unpack some of
these matters around the quote unquote Satanic panic. Once you
established the framework like you're saying, it's pretty easy to identify.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Right, and yeah, that would actually be quite wonderful. So
what I've been doing on the back end is I'm
going to be doing a live reading and a breakdown
of the Satanic Bible itself from Anton Levy. I have
yet to see anyone cover it in any sort of
meaningful way as far as you know, from my perspective,

(05:12):
and as a former Satanist, I figured, you know, I
would lend my knowledge of what I know about it
and kind of do a whole live reading series about
it and go through it and be able to break
it down. So that's why I've been kind of quiet
on my channel.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I look forward to that's a great, great edition or
something great addition to conspiracy culture first and foremost, but
I would like to get some of your thoughts and
you know, on those exact topics on a Thursday show
in the future, sir, So I appreciate your insight. And
last but not least, we got Bt Wallace, host of
the Truth and Shadow podcast, join us here tonight. Thanks
for joining me here tonight, gill otw GCD, Sir, welcome

(05:49):
back to Operation GCD.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Awesome, nice to be here. It's great to be able
to listen to some more of this society of Cincinnati.
You know, we only covered it very briefly on that
episode that dropped on Tuesday this week, But.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes, sir, I recomend folks check that one out Truth
and Shadow podcast. BT and I have had a couple
of barn burners over their eyes of late, but that
one in particular, I recommend. We did a process church
one that was that was a barn burner offecially a
barn burner.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah, so it's good, thank.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
You, Yes sir. What else you're working on over there
right now at Truth and Shadow.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Just more more of the same podcasts. I got a
couple coming out episode one hundred drops next Tuesday. It's
gonna be, uh, the first time I got into triple
digits on a podcast. I'm going to be talking about
liminal realms with a couple of individuals Heidi or do
Heid excuse me, uh Norma, and it's gonna be an
awesome show. Episode one hundred coming out next Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I love that these concepts of liminal, you know, the
liminal nature of the visible universe and non visible universe
for that matter, because I think that's where you're getting at.
There is that is that kind of you're heading there
with this space liminal spaces.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
This one specifically is dealing with our own inner in herself,
the shadows self. You know, I dive deep into that
young yin stuff, and uh, this is pretty much more
of that, dealing with our own inside personalities and things
that are going on.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Nice. Well, I look forward to checking that one out, sir,
And again, thank you for joining me here tonight to
go little GCD all of y'all, and thank you folks
with the interwebs. You know. Uh, these matters of Mormon
pair of politics always interest me. I know all of
us have discussed this at one point in time individually,
and now we all get to do it together tonight.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to this.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I figured it'd be a good place to start out.
I know we did. I joined you for that anniversary
show you did over that Rise of Liberty, Jacob Jay. Yes, sir,
we got a little bit, a little bit in the
Satanism and Mormon stuff. I know B. T. Wallace and
I have done Ancient Alliant Cargo Colts and processed Church
and and Heidi and I never convene without talking Mormon business.
So to start off right, and now I read, I'll

(07:55):
let I'll let Heidi kick us off with some topics
before we go diving into all this Kirk business all
the once again my thesis of all roads lead back
to the society of the Cincinnati. Well, Charlie Kirk is
no different. And on Fridays here one of my favorite
games is who's your daddy and what does he do?
And on that note, it's very important who his daddy is,

(08:24):
and it leads back to the society of the Cincinnati
first and foremost. But before we get into those matters,
Heidi love, how you doing, ma'am? Did you have some
other Mormon topics you want to kick us off with?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Oh? Sure, Like I said, I wasn't sure what we
were doing, and I know normally we go down the
genealogy row.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
So I got that on deck for you, maam. You
know I do you know it?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
And I had I have to first tell Shelley. Shelley
who wrote into me, I don't want to say your
last name. Thank you. You sent me some things that
were fascinating, and Shelley sent me something called One Royal
Line have you heard of this JJ? This is fantastic,

(09:05):
is well? It is? It ties in with that, But
this is the main line that they actually used to
print and everybody used to hang on their walls when
you were young. They sold it a desert book and
it has a Jewish star on it, the star of David,

(09:27):
you know on it, and inside that star, which I
doubt was reprinted as it says in the original from
this line kings will rule and Shelley, you blew my mind.
Thank you so much because it made me look into
this whole thing a little bit different, and I ran

(09:47):
smack into so many rabbit holes that I went, WHOA,
How did I not know this? And why is the
church keeping this quiet? Because they are possible and they
have done a huge DNA study, not just genealogy here,
they're breaking into the DNA and they have done this

(10:09):
big study trying to rule out Joseph Smith's other children
via backwards genealogy. This is you go a perago is
I believe how p E r ego and.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
He is IgG investigative genealogy kind of deals right yep?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, and this this has gotten crazy because he has
actually linked it and has it specifically to another king,
and this checks out through DNA. He's also going around
spouting like fond Body's book is trash and none of
these kids were his, and I've proven it. And what
he did is he went and got all the ancestors

(10:50):
of all the smiths that are on high room side,
because there's a lot on high room side, and he
asked permission and sent them all DNA kits. And I'm
talking thousands of DNA kits. I can't even believe that
they did this under the radar. While I can, but geez,
I mean, you think that the Mormons would be out like, look,

(11:12):
we are the champions, you know, But no, that's not
what happened. And I'm like, why is this so quiet?
And then it leads to this crazy story and a
weird HAPLO group which makes Joseph even more special than
Joseph Arty was, if that's even a possibility for the Mormons.
So this this is a HAPLO group M two to

(11:35):
two two R one B. It is extremely rare and special.
It is irish, and I have to tell you. It
leads to another story of a king called the Nile
of the Nine, and this gets crazy and I just went,
You've gotta be kidding. But in her genealogy, in Shelley's genealogy,

(11:57):
which she nicely shared with me, as he is a
descendant of Joseph Smith himself, it connects not only to
Bill Gates, but it connects to Iliezar wheel Lock of
Dartmouth University. Yeah, I'm gonna drop my mic that I
don't have in my hand.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
But yeah, society family, what's this is all great stuff?
What's the name of that book?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Which book this is? This is a genealogy situation that
I'm talking to. No, she just sent me her legit
genealogy from FamilySearch dot Org, which I went and like
I validated it. And then this is called one Royal line.
And so if you guys want to look it up,

(12:44):
extremely hard to find. The invent not the inventor, but
the man known for mister genealogy is Archibald F. Ben
Bennett that went and did all this, and like started
going after World War Two. They sent him all over
to get all the mic film basically like a microfilm

(13:05):
mission starting in nineteen forty six to all the different countries,
and they started just taking everyone's genealogical records and he
was like the person that did this, go and try
and look him up very much like it's like yep,
And he was elected in the Hall of Fame and
then he died and that's all. And I'm like, whoa
who wo Is he related to Bobby Bennett, mister Bobby

(13:28):
Boy of Watergate? I dare say he is, but they
said no, no, no, no, that's not the same one. No,
of course not.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, it gets wild.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
It gets so wild that I was like, oh my gosh,
so yeah, it just he literally is responsible for this
microfilming basically. And you know, these secrets die with these people.
They're old.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
You know, no, you ain't kiddings to this lady right
here speaking of Joseph Smith descendance. This is Kimberly Joe Smith.
She learned at the age of twelve that she was
the second great granddaughter of Joseph Smith official children of
Justph Smith. So there's a lot of secrets to go
on even within the Smith family. What brought this lady
to my attention was my DNA tests and trying to
solve my mysteries, not the least of which the genealogy

(14:17):
of abnir Vance Who's and again in all likely probabilities,
the son of George and Martha Washington, which that actually found.
I found a different person who's making that claim that
they're the descendant of George Washington.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Your boy comes up in this info George.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
It's well, I mean, he's everywhere, right, So I'll bring
that up in a minute. Though, this other fellow I
found in the interwebs, because I understand. Look me, looking
at that guy's claims, I'm like, well, that's lunatic, that's
looney tunes. Because well, first and foremost I know better
from looking at all the DNA maps and genealogy and stuff.
But I also know that his story just doesn't make
any sense. But it is on its face, it sounds
like a lunacrous tale that George and Martha had a

(14:52):
secret child, so to speak with Abner Vance. But that
is what the DNA shows, that is what all the
Evans exhibits. And in my studies I find this lady
Kimberley Joe Smith, the second great granddaughter of Joseph Smith.
And the reason why I think I'm related to her
is we see these families Intermainly you said George comes
up everywhere. Well, the Smiths. There her Smiths intermarried with

(15:15):
Lawrence Washington's descendants, George's elder half brother, whe the inherited
Mount Vernon from You.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Know, it's a twisted web we weave. And you know
when we talk about these things since I last talked
to you as well, like I didn't, did I bring
up the Godby Heightes and the god Bee guy? This
is Grant? Oh, this is a good one. I wish
I brought my notes down here. So there's a sect
of Mormonism called the Godby Heightes and this guy is

(15:45):
actually literally responsible for having the Federal Reserve come to Utah.
So that's real. And I was like, what, Yeah, he
was a mentor to Heber J. Grant and so anybody
can look this up. If you look up god b
it's g O. D B I. T. E. S. You'll
find all about him and he's just completely forgotten. But

(16:08):
he was the one that actually brought in the Federal Reserve.
So I'm like, well, that's interesting. I mean, you're not
a kid. And when you say that, it's just all related.
I'm sure if you look him up, his society.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Would Jacob J. What's your thoughts in all these genealogical matters.
Was that a big part of your Mormonism? You get
involved in a lot of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
So I never really got in into the genealogy aspect
of it. Obviously when I left the church, I was
pretty young, you know, starting my rebellious phase. However, both well, actually,
so me and my me and my sister we have
different fathers. So I actually had three grandmothers, just you know,

(16:53):
explaining that little bit. So everyone's like, what three grandmothers?
What the hell Mormon? You know?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
But well, I mean that's pretty terrible, right, right, But
a lot of multiple wives in the history of Mormonism.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Right Well, Luckily it wasn't that sort of a situation.
It was a bit more modern than that. But so.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
In modern Mormonism, sir, Just if I'm there, right, and
things do go on still.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yes, yes they do, and they are fully out in
the open. There's more than just the f LDS.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's not just an HBO series, right right.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Right, right, which I've actually never seen. I watch it, but.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I've been told that so many times. And I have
a real I got a real conflation with Bill Paxton
and Bill Pullman. I shouldn't I couldn't tell which ones
in that either it's either Bill Paxton or Bill Pullman,
but I can picture them both in that series right.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Under the banner of Heaven on Hulu. Is better in
my opinion is the other ones well, because it's more
based on reality instead of like a just a show.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Right.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah. So you know, I know all of my grandparents
were really into the genealogy side of things, and I
do have some copies of genealogy of one side of
my family, but it was never anything that I necessarily
got into. Even though I did leave the church, I

(18:18):
did make the conscious decision like I don't want my
records removed, so because I know that's actually a big
thing for a lot of people that end up, dude
leaving the church, is they get their records removed. And
I figured it was probably.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I mean like officially quitting.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, they will, right, yeah, because they will
keep your church records. Yeah, they will keep your church records.
They just stop reporting on them. So and they they
do kind of put it down as like a I'm
not sure exactly what the official vernacular is, but they
do put it down as like no longer a ten

(19:00):
or something like that. Uh like in l A.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I oh, sir, they're keeping track. They're doing attendance track.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, of course, of course track.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
The guy that kept tracking in my ward. If I
may st in, this may be maringing familiar to some
of the other stuff we're seeing today out in your
all's country there in desert. I mean, utah, uh. We
see in this kerk shooting there was this congressman Lyman.
Is that his name? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Phil Lyman.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
He's coming front and center. So his cousin Lyman was
the guy would do attendance in my church as a
teenager and growing up there well as a teacher Cincinnati,
a Liman, you know, one of the first twelve apostles
of Joseph Smith, if you will.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
I haven't said a whole lot about Charlie, but the
one thing I will say is he was praising the
Mormons right before he died. He was speaking about how
his team was made up of Mormons and that he
was not a Christian that condemned Mormonism. And then it
was very rapid right after that that that everything went south.
And I've kind of kept my mouth shut about it.

(20:02):
But it's very interesting when you go back and look
at assassinations. How many people spoke about Mormonism right before.
It's a little scary. But you know, there are new
It's not just regular Mormons anymore. There are new factions
of Mormonism, not just old Mormonism. Yes that I dare

(20:24):
say our Templar Mormonism or am orc you know, Mormonism
that are very out in the in the public now.
I mean, they keep it hush, but it's out there.
It's it's like a new age Mormonism. Maybe, yeah, I
would agree with that, yep. And it's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, yeah, there. I mean there's uh, there's actually a
faction that was brought to my attention not that long ago.
It was Mormons for Transhumanism, which was absolutely like a
terrifying thought to me. However, it's just made it made
total sense. I was like, oh, of course, you know
there would be a group of Mormons into transhumanism. But

(21:07):
what what was frustrating to me was that so I
was actually dealing with some of these people like head on,
because you know, some of what I cover on my
show and in my work, I also fight against the technocracy.
You know, privacy and technology things are like a big
deal to me, and so, you know, fighting against some

(21:30):
of these these technocrats, they they were using language that
was so like, this is going to free everyone, This
is going to bring liberty to everyone. So they were
using you know, the language of a libertarian and you know,
being involved with the libertarian movement. That really upset me

(21:52):
because I knew for a fact these people are not
interested in liberty or freedom or anything.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
We see that. Uh, the there's a lot of crossover
with a lot of these ideas, and the Hamblin seem
to be at the center of some of that stuff
with you know again, they're the ones who found a
kanab and the guy, I think is it David Hamblin,
I think was the original.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Founder David Hamlet you know, people.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well they keep naming themselves that for each other, right,
So it's like David David, David David, So the original
David I think, I don't look him up. I think
was the original David Hamblin to find a cab. He
also finds the area we now know is area fifty one, right, correct.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
The Mormon and Mormons Mormons Utah Area fifty one right.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yes, which is an.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
It's thank you Jacob.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Hamblin, yes, Jacob Handlin House yes. Now.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Brent Scowcroft, Henry Kissinger's right hand man, national security advisor
to three US presidents, JJ Brint, would start a neo
process cult known as Victorianism. You know the scowcross right man, Oh,
I know them right?

Speaker 3 (22:59):
You know, right wing nuts major.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yep, very prominent family. Same with the Hamlets. Thank you.
Desn't ring this is This is a desert rain, despite
not being Mormon, has a lot of great Mormon facts
for us here.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
She also mentioned, yeah, the vow that they took to
avenge Joseph's death, and they went ahead and they actually
made more than a vow. They made a secret society
called the Order of the Blacksticks. And they all got
the canes, the death sticks of the rotting corpses of

(23:35):
Joseph and Hiram, and they gave them to these people
that swore this, and they called it the Order of
the Black Sticks. It's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
That's interesting. I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yes, I'll bring that up and say I didn't also
do not know that. Well, I'm looking for some to
bring that up here. Did you all know the cash
buttel my appearances is dating a wealthy Mormon, multi millionaire
guy in Vegas there, what's that, Sir?

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I said that that is the word on the streets
that he is shocking up with him in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
So well, he requested to tell it compy from that
guy's house. They're just friends, They're just in the relationship.
I suppose it's somewhat supposition. I will admit that I'm
a supposition that I'm saying they're banging. But let's be
honest about the situation.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, it is a little weird, Like, how how old
is Cash Bttel fifty three fifty four?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
He's forty four forty five.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
That's a that's a hard forty four forty five must
be all that visitation to Valhalla or something.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, that was a weird payment, right, Yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
An incredibly weird statement. It's like, are aren't you Indian
like that?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Well, you know, I'm sure his folks are, but doesn't
seem like he is. So cash Btel's at the nightclubs,
spends more time in Vegas than it worked, claims an
ex f FBI. He requested himself to tele commute from there.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
That's so wild.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Jeez.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
The web we weave.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Making those statements about Charlie Kirk right with in the
woman country of desiret you know what's his boyfriend's involvement?
Major GOP donor too. And again so the team behind
Charlie Kirk, he's a base I don't want to say.
I'm not speaking all the dad know Charlie Kirk. But
turning point, USA and Charlie Kirk are a wholly owned
subsidiary of Team Trump, whether on its fraates or not.

(25:38):
People don't realize. So who is his daddy? What does
he do? Robert Kirk architect for Trump Tower? Out of
saw that, Yeah, so out of that Chicago element with
his father or a bunch of other GOP donors and
thirty thirty three freemason owner of Chicago Covist. He's kind
of folks, right, and they he was who was the

(25:59):
RNC final dance chair that uh? He was his elder brother,
that guy Ricketts. His elder brother is a US senator
from Nebraska. He's a member of the Maryland chapter of
the Society of the Cincinnati Man. Maybe he knew, maybe
he new JFK. Junior. I don't know anyway, So these
are the folks that that made turning Point USA. This
team of folks in Chicago around his father, and and

(26:21):
we're I don't know where a lot of them sit.
I think a lot of them are. You know, I
got questions about a lot of their Uh they're not
looney Well, I'm not gonna say they're I'm not gonna
say they're not looney tune lefties because one of them,
one of those guys a thirty third degree Freemason, a
Jewish Fellow doesn't mean anything necessarily, but he he was
the staffer for Alard Lowenstein, the guy that was holding

(26:45):
rfk's body at on the Ambassador Hotel when Lewenstein and
Lewesstey was a secret CIA agent may later find out,
and uh, he was a congressman at the time. And
when he goes back to New York from Los Angeles
in June of sixty eight, this is the guy that
picks him up as staffer who was a member of
the Weather Underground. And I would assert the Weather Underground
is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Processed Church based

(27:07):
upon the statements of their leaders, Bernadette Dorn and Bill Airs.
And they're also about a Chicago and he and this guy.
This this thirty to thirty degree freemason then and Bill
Airs go back, That's what I'm saying. I don't know
where these folks lean politically speaking. They claimed to be
backing Trump, but a lot of time Fooerre going around
Charlie Kirking say you that much right now from my
own from what eyewitnessed, And when I say what I witnessed,

(27:30):
I didn't know Kirker's father really, but I knew that
these other folks they hired my private Detectiveate Andcy to
do open source intelligence reports of things of that nature
and didn't care for him. Again, these folks are the
movers and the shakers that they built Turning Point in
the USA. And we look at their advisory board and
we see Michael Lookino's buddy, General Paul Valle, mister kewanon

(27:51):
General on that board. So what is going on there,
I don't know. But Charlie Kirk's father again architect for
Trump Tower, and again his father's father, so Charlie Kirk's
fifth great grandfather, Lieutenant uh Kirk in the Virginia Chapter
of the Society of Cincinnati. And you don't take my
word for it, Jeremiah Kirk. Let me just bring up

(28:12):
his uh his his documents is uh bona fides if
you will, bet you'll appreciate that some uh some Catholic
talk there bona fides. What are your thoughts on all
these matters we've talked about, society, Cincinnati stuff, beat What
are your thoughts on all these matters with Kirk first
and foremost the Mormons and uh you know the fact
we got more society stuff now.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
The interesting thing to me is that Charlie Kirk I
haven't really followed a bunch of his stuff. I mean,
to be honest, a lot of his commentary I don't
see eye to eye with him. And then I've said
as much on my Facebook posts. But you know, besides that.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Is you're I don't want to get to and I
don't do a lot of politics or you you identify
as a libertarian, right, yeah, yeah, I do. So what
are the biggest positions from I don't I'm I'm familiar
with more or less with positions were But you know what,
what are the biggest for folks who are on from
may or like musself here? What what are the biggest

(29:07):
positions on like the libertarians like as Jacob j formerly
of the Libertarian Party as well. What are some of
the biggest positions there that you don't see within what
Charlie Kirk was talking about.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Well, my main things is a lot of his arguments
towards things like capital punishment, stuff like that. I don't
believe in that we're in the twenty first century, we
shouldn't be you know, gasing people.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I do not agree with capital punishment either. I do
not like the death penalty.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
But I mean that, you know, libertarians, you free market economy,
things like that. I mean, that's that's one of the
main driving points that I appreciate obviously, just non aggressive policies.
I don't I don't believe in in using word violence
because violence seems to be get violence, whether it's you know,

(29:52):
when I was a kid, you know, it didn't take
very many words to make the bully punch in the face.
So obviously words do cause violence, and it seems to
be kind of a kind of a fallout. But I mean,
you know, libertarians want free speech, we want you know,
free press, we want all the things that really seemed
to be what our founding fathers might have been pushing
for in the constitution.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, that's what I mean. So like, you know, in
many respects, Charlie Kirk sells himself as in America first constitutionalists.
So where's where's he off? Basically what you see as
is some of those libertarian constitutional values from what he
was he was professing.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Charlie Kirk's like his political statements.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yes, platform, I mean again talking to me, you know
he's against there's a lot of you know, he's obviously
Christian based.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
I'm no expert in Charlie Kirk's political I can't speak.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I mean I would describe a lot of his views
as very libertarian of sorts, right, I.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Mean good, he was a supporter of you know, free speech,
free press.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
But yeah, definitely wasn't country Republicans. They helped build some
of those guys help build Turning Point us a country
club republic and he's not a fan.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think big difference between libertarian
and constitutionalists, to be honest. It's kind of you know,
small government things like that, and uh, most of the
things with you know, uh mister Kirk was it was
religious statements. Typically I'd listened to and go that's that's
not really something I'd agree with things live that matter.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
So we see him in a state like you tell
the Nation of Deseret if you will, because I think
a lot of these folks don't view it as America
that run that place mother up in Salt Lake. Governor Cox,
he doesn't seem very Republican, does He's certainly how a
libertarian or constitutionalist America? First of character, he's he's not.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Cox is flat out an opportunist period. He is whatever
he needs to be in whatever moment that he's in.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
So he sounds like a politician.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
You know, I've I've seen him go real libertarian. I've
seen him go real Republican, and I've seen him go
real democrat. You know, I I think you you had
it right there is that he is a politician, and
he is like such a politician. He's a stereotype. He
is the stereotypical politician. You know, I'm pretty sure he

(32:17):
doesn't even have a thought of his own. He just
uh goes along with whatever script to get him to
the next plateau. And you know, I think a lot
of that comes from his family, which his family owns.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
What does he do?

Speaker 4 (32:34):
I can't remember his his dad's name obviously Cox is
the family name, but they actually own all tell telecommunications
in the state.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
There's actually.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
I believe, I believe so there there's a so I
actually did a I actually did a thread about it.
I'll send it to you all about the un coming
into Utah and taking over. I mean, we're building the
first fifteen minute city here, which is on the side
of the old Utah State Prison, which you know they're

(33:08):
selling is like this huge like innovation and in engineering
and uh city planning and all of this stuff, and
it's just a bunch of camm gobbledy gook. Yeah. They
they've actually wired up the entire state to uh basically
a centralized communication system, which is entirely scary considering you know,

(33:30):
we have the NSA centralized here and uh, I'm going.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
The NSA there at uh oh yeah, not Dougway. But
what's the name of that location.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Well, it's just the NSA data center And no, it's
actually in Utah County. Uh. Doug Way Proving Grounds is
out in Twila County, which is.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Uh county, David Levittson County, the home of the.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yes which is which is actually just where a lot
of these things are going down. It's where a lot
of the tech companies have moved. You know, we got
Adobe down there, we got Google down there, we got
Windows down there, or Microsoft, I guess whatever. You know,
it's it is like a second Silicon Valley almost. You know,

(34:21):
it's it's blowing up, and there's all sorts of involvement
from the UN which is just insane to me. The
U I I actually argued, let's see, it was the
one of this county County commissioners. I argued against her

(34:44):
husband on We Are the People podcast. And what was
interesting is I won the argument and the next thing,
we know, their entire computer and their entire system got
hacked and they whacked out the episode so never came
to light unfortunately. So but I was I was really

(35:06):
simply and easily able to destroy his argument. It was
all that conversation about you know, this transhumanism stuff, we'll
be able to usher in a great, amazing new world,
and you know, it's all about freedom and liberty and
all of this stuff. And I was super easy or
super easily able to just knock that down with one

(35:26):
simple question and he wasn't able to answer it. And unfortunately,
they ended up getting hacked because of that. So I
feel bad for that, but it would have been a great,
great episode.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I have to say. You brought up the Osmonds and
just so people know that, you know, Howard Hughes under
Bob Bennett, when he bought the m One Company as
a CIA front, the only people that he had for
his clientele was Howard Hughes, the LDS Church and the Osmond's.
And I find that interesting that they've kind of been

(36:00):
there all along. Right, we see this over and over again.
This is clear back and watergate time, and and what
is this whole thing for? He has one employee and
who was it? You know, it's just CIA, It's just
and they admitted it. It's CIA cover. And so you know,
it makes you wonder where the Osmond's have been involved

(36:21):
in this consistently. And then you know, we also know
the only part that the Molling Company did was to
represent the Mormon Tabernacle Choir so that they could go
all around the world selling expensive tickets to big people,
so they could sit by each other at the performance
and have a little chat.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
And did you happen to see.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Some great points? These are a powerful bunch, Yes, sir,
did did.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
You happen to see the very very odd chamber that
was the culture not just the chamber, chamber and alter
which supposedly was a steam room.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Right, And it's all tile, so it's like a chill basically.
I mean, I'm not saying that. I wouldn't say allegedly
it is allegedly, but it would be.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
All familiar with Wilford Brimley. Right. Did y'all know he
was a Mormon?

Speaker 4 (37:18):
I sure did.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Brings us some famous ancient alien cargo cult tales of
the nineteen eighties like Cocoon. And before he was a
Mormon in Hollywood, he was the bodyguard to Howard Hughes
because Howard Hughes quses and his agents for his entire
career in Hollywood was a scientology connected. I don't have

(37:39):
a membership card. Betty McCart who was Bob Cocaine Evans
underling and assistant to now Ruddy, the CIA guy who
helped produce Godfather. Wow, these people all know each other,
that is what I'm.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Saying, right, not just cargo cult stick together, right, Yeah,
I mean it really does seem like the four Degrees
of Kevin Bacon because everyone's not that far away from
each other, you know, cut out a couple of those degrees.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Jacob, how did you feel that? You know, we've been
in a drought for I don't know, every year of
my entire life, and today they posted this article that
they dumped a whole bunch of water that I don't
know where it came from into the Great Salt Lake.
Like I get about the ecosystem, but now that is
unusable water, right.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
You know, so as far as the drought goes, you know,
I'm not entirely sure. I do know that the state
got really embarrassed over the condition of the Great Salt Lake,
and what they're trying to do is dry up the
north the north west wing of the lake and basically

(38:51):
basically chop off a bunch of the volume and so
that way the level of the lake won't keep dropping.
But I also know that they've privatized a bunch of
the water inlets, and they refuse to go through and
be able to regulate upstream water regulation, which is really
the biggest problem.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
We're not we don't have enough water for the state,
but we're pouring, right, And get I get about the ecosystem,
I do, right, But people have to come first.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
That's you know, right, well that's the problem. The lake
dries up and then we have oursnick wind blown around,
it will just be uninhabitable wasteland. You know, it'll be fallout.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I was just going to say, let alone the amount
of water that they harness from that to cool down
their supercomputers, because we all know that that's the only
way that they can do that. So I wonder why
they're harnessing.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
It, right, I mean the NSA data computers. They so
they actually had to create a whole new size of
file size for them because of how much data they
are actually storing in that facility. It's something above terabyte

(40:06):
what whatever is above terabyte? They had to create a
hole in their system, right, which uh, they're they're actually
getting for like a dollar thirty a gallon from the city.
The farmers have to pay a dollar sixty. So and
there was big controversy over that. I mean, they're trying
to screw over the citizens here any any chance they get.

(40:27):
But they slap a smile on Governor Cox's face and
say go out and make everyone happy.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, so not only to get into Utah, is is
it because of the fact that desiret. The Mormons that is,
are an offshoot at the Society of Cincinnati. And all
these fuckers know each other, so you'll get all the
politicians in Utah. I mean, I don't know about Cox,
I'm looking them up right now. But let's look at
the Romney's Mittens Romney, Yeah, and let's look about the

(40:53):
Lave it's their cousins. They're both from Hebrew. Hebrew Jail.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Well, that's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, oh yes.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
We look at Phil Lyman, like I said, he's probably
a paternal descendant of Asa Limeman, one of the first counselors.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah. And then there's the well, the Bangaters. The Bangater
family is also very well known.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Marriotts, the Marriotts, the.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Marriotts, but those are also just the Marriots. And the
Huntsman's are also just descendances of like heeber j. Granton
gang right right right?

Speaker 3 (41:25):
That that made U, you know, a combination with I
mean they merged into HGCC with the gays, so I mean,
you know, they're all definitely in it together.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Oh yeah, and if you go back even further, this
is one of mine, in Heidi's common ken Folk, one
of our uh, one of our shared heritage and this
dude's This dude is John LOTHROPI fifteen eighty four to
sixteen fifty three. He was the first settler to Barnstable, Massachusetts,
in sixteen thirty nine. Pay attention to those dates because
when we talk about Charlie Kirk's heritage, all of his

(42:02):
people come at the same time. They're in the sixteen
forties of Virginia, including the Monroe family because his fore
mother is the sister disregard his fifth great grandmother, fourth
great grandmother. Kirk is the first cousin to President James
Monroe Monroe family, so interesting all and even the Kirks
showed up in Virginia in sixteen forty. They got there

(42:24):
a little bit after the Jamestown stuff. But he's got
some Jamestown heritage as well. I'm not common Kenfolk with Kirk,
but we he's got basically his heritage comprises of most
of the Jamestown folks that I'm not can folk to,
and the other Virginia family. So I'm gonna Randolph, you know,
include the Washington's and Dandridge is, all those gangs and whatnot.
Madison's right, those are all my family trees. But he's

(42:45):
got he didn't have those exactly other ones. It is
an interesting composition he has. But all of these people come,
and why is it, folks that arrive here in sixteen forty,
just because you're the first ones to the party, does
that mean you get to fucking run the party? That's
all I'm saying, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
The Mormon said so because they had the US guns.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I think, well, I mean, if it wasn't the case,
why would everyone be descended from John loather app here?
Not just me and Heidi there in disrespect? So we
look at Uh. Then we look at the folks that
this dude is the Senate from this guy, some powerful
folks in America, not just the Mormons, Miller Fillmore, James Garfield,
Not James Garfield, Langley, the CIA cover for that satanic

(43:21):
serial killer Edward Wyne Edwards, but the President James Garfield,
Useless s Grant, Franklin, Delan A. Roosevelt, the two Bushes,
Benetdict Darnold, Joseph Smith, hirearm Smith Smith, Wilfred Woodruff, Oliver Cowdrey,
Parley P. Pratt. There we go, that's another one. The
Huntsman's and the UH the Minton's Rohymney and gang. They're

(43:41):
all from Parley Pratt as well.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yes, yeah, I mean it's it's one big club and
we ain't in it.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
You know, JJ are in it, but we don't want
to go.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
But the ones that are in it, right, we don't.
We're not really in it, you know what I mean,
We don't want to be. So then we get we
get Thomas Dewey, the Hunt, this man's uh, Sarah Palin
go Figure, Jimmy kuy Tucker go figures.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
It's all of them. It's all of them, like me
and JJ have done this and we've gone through and
people say you're lying, you can't be related to all
those people. I'm like, bet, you're related to one important one,
you're related to all of them. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I this man's la right here. I may And if
you want to know how Jeffrey Dahmer was able to
call the Vice President of the United States in nineteen
seventy eight, you say, hey, Walter Mondale, what's up, dude,
I'm in DC. I'd like to check out your office
along with my high school classmates. Well, I suspect to
have something to do with his heritage. He's just in

(44:42):
from John Leather right.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Right, which lends a lot of credibility to him being
some form of a Manchurian.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Big time. Oh yes, ma'am, kind of who target desert rains.
Also of the Virginia families of the Randall like Thomas Jefferson,
we're descended from Pocahontas as well through Isham Randolph. But yeah,
so Charlie Kirk's got an interesting heritage. He's not part
of that component of families. He's right looking at his
family tree. I was kind of surprised that he and
I didn't have a lot of cross So they have
a lot of Kirks that I'm related to because they're

(45:15):
from that same mix of families, but it's not his
wing of the Kirks, right.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
So it actually, uh is somewhat credible to say that
he possibly could have been the president one day.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Oh for sure, he's a Monroe Kirk. I mean his
forefather was a member somebody in that family of it's
not his father. I don't think it is, because you know,
I take guesses, right, So the paternal heritage of the
Society of Cincinnati, when they don't have any sons like JFK.
Junior's grandfather right right. He had daughters and then his
daughter had one son. Jackie had one son. There one

(45:49):
son died. JFK Junior lived Patrick I believe died at birth.
It's easy to determine who goes, who gets that membership,
but when you look at other folks that have many
sons and whatnot, it's little bit more difficult because I
don't know if it's automatically the firstborn.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Right, it's supposed to be, but we know how.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
That goes, right. These people are dicks. They'll they'll they'll
uh stab at their mother in the back in some cases,
I think.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Has a has anyone taken a look at Erica's family and.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Is a pageant winner? I saw that she looks like
a Mormon.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
I I know I shouldn't say that, but she is
Jesuit College. I will say that.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Because I mean from everything I've been able to research
up and this this is everyone else's research. I didn't
do any of the work. But there's there's a lot
of people bringing up Yeah, I mean, she was a
millionaire by the time she met Charlie, you know, and
she was involved in a lot of different like there
was a foundation she was involved with dealing with relocating

(46:51):
kids of war, which you know sounds like child trafficking
to me. We need into Angels Studios connection, right, So,
I mean there's you know she I know, she has
a military in her family background.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
She went to Liberty University cargo team, where his father's
connected to the folks that built Turning Point. They all
operate through Liberty.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
So and then on top of it, you guys do know,
I'm gonna throw a monkey wrench in this just before
you go. You know what Shapiro said after this whole thing, right, Mike, yep, Right,
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
So I actually just had a message sent to me.
Uh my, my mother was watching the stream and she
she wanted to bring up that we were related to
the Crockets debut.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Rocket.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
I don't know, I know one of our one of
our family members was a judge on the Utah Supreme Court.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
We'll have to get together, Crocker, Crocker, Crocker, Crockets, Okay, Crocket.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
You know, so this is socie family again. And Davy
Crockett learned his frontiersman duties, according to stories and legends,
from an advance right. So This was a trained Daniel
Bone trains Abner Abner and then trains Davy Crockett and
some others. Most of my most of my family trees frontiersmen,
not just Abner, you know. So the Maynard boys, for example,

(48:20):
myself and Charles Manson Er Maynard McCoy's from Pikeville, Kentucky.
My grandmother Vance and her folks were both first cousins Maynard.
My Appalachian family tree lacks the requisite branches to be called.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
A trade and.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I'm utterly shocked. I don't have web feet, recessed chin
line and a sub seventy i Q, but has both
my grand folks Vance. Their folks are both first cousins,
first cousins Vans first cousins. So and the Maynards are
the first ones across the Appalachian Mountains as far as
the modern day history goes. And mine and Chuck's forefather
murdered the pirate black Beard apparently in the early seventeen Interesting, well, you.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Get one, you get one damaged one, and then you
get one genius one. That's why you.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Know that it's funny. You say that it's funny. You
said because another clan Vance legend here is Devil's Ann's
Hatfield halfield McCoy's there, I'm both, he's my He's descended
from Abner twice over, Devil's Ann's grandfather twice over from
his mother and father both from Abner and uh we see.
Uh you know. The reason he's called Devil's Ann's because
he was known in the family is to be of

(49:21):
the devil. His name was Anderson Hatfield and he had
a first cousin in the family known as Anderson. They
were both named Anderson Hatfield. They're both the same age.
And wonder why we have these topics like the Hatfields
and McCoy's are so popular, and why people like Charles
Manson got to be where they were. I'd like to
play six degrees of Charles Manson because that dude is
connected to all sorts of shit.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yes, he is through and through.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Let me give you a real quick Brian Cranston. Why
is it that all Charles Manson's friends bring us murder
in drugs? Brian Cranston breaking bad up on YouTube. He
was friends with Charles Manson. Wow, Danny Trejo Machete first
cousins to Robert Rogues. It doesn't surprise me he was
friends with Charles mans Well. I mean they spent time

(50:07):
in the same prison. There you go.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Danny Trejo is an actual ex convict.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
That's how he got his first acting gig was he
walked onto a movie set kind of by accident, is
what he says, and somebody pointed at him and said, hey,
can you play an ex convict? We need somebody, And
he's like, well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
These are the stories I'm saying are bullshit, sir. I like,
how to point that out that that is the tale.
But I'm saying his first who is his daddy wants
to do? Well? His daddy's brothers with Robert I'm sorry,
his mom's brothers with Robert Rodriguez, his dad that the filmmaker. Yeah, yeah,
that's just where he got his start in Hollywood. So
that's what I'm saying. They come up with these fancy tails.
When you get to the root matters of it, it

(50:52):
seems to be you know, who is your daddy wants
to do? Is never a plumber, It's never an electrician, right,
so you right, man. Charlie Kirk's wife went to a
Denver undergrad Jesuit school of Regis University and got a
law degree from she.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Yeah, she also got a doctorates too, I believe. And
she was a busy little girl.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
So I don't know much about her. But she was
a twenty twelve Miss Arizona pageant winning under Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yep, yep, part of the part of the Trump pageant legacy.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
What is this surname? Francy? What is that?

Speaker 4 (51:30):
The The prevailing theory I've seen is that she was
actually a honeypot for Charlie you know, kind.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Of meant about old cash apptel right right, right.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
So you know, I mean it would make sense. Have
have no idea.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
There's twenty people in the entire world, they all live
in the United States with that surname. Folks, it's a wow,
huh interesting. I'm happy to do that genealogy.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Twenty people, Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Twenty people, sir.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
That have that Wow, that is wild, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Yeah, I'm saying that it's basically the France f R
A N t Z part of Germanic Scandinavian.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh, the old Frenchies.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Huh interesting, right, that would make a lot of sense.
I mean she does kind of look huh, But twenty
people man, that is that means for somebody with such
a common name like myself, you know Johnson's.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Yeah, I'm not one to speak either.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Right of French folks, we got a French Protestant, I'm sorry,
an American pope of French Protestant origins right with ken
folk in the Society of the Cincinnati French Chapter. We
live in We live in interesting times here, folks. I'm
up in World twenty twenty five. So he's a Prevost
also part of that same Prevost family, Rodney Alcala, the

(53:07):
dating game killer. So we wonder how he's able to
traverse America, go under assumed identities as a summer camp in
New Hampshire, then get on TV. Meanwhile, all Mercan folks
the entire decade in the seventies, Well, maybe it's because
of who his daddy is and what did he do.
So his daddy's daddy was the mayor of San Antonio.
Rodney's grandfather, Rodney's great grandfather was one of the first

(53:29):
Texas Rangers, and he's a Burkequoe family and Prevost the
pope is also of the same Burquoe family. So the
Society the Cincinnati French Chapter gets thrown out of France
in seventeen ninety four. They all come to America for
the most part, for the most part, and they set
up their headquarters out of their city of New Orleans,
which they'd already you know, established basically they were in

(53:51):
league with the some of the Spanish folks down there
at the time, but would later then be their main
ownership of that town. Obviously, but nonetheless, you know, a
French name, it's likely because they're in they're a prominent
family in America. When I'm getting here with Charlie Kirkschwaib,
she is of that French name. Origins were some Swedish
stuff there, probably a society family, probably society family, the

(54:12):
Labouf Chi lah boof society family, the DuPont's society family. Right,
Napoleon Bonaport, Charles Bonaparte, alleged grand nephew of Napoleon, I
would argue, might actually be his grandson who he founded
the FBI, the Federal Bureau of on Investigations.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So we see when I when I see a French namely,
might the kill bill sirreens in my brain home go
off regarding these matters.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Oh, that's funny. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense though,
I mean, and that that kind of leads a lot
of credence to the program to kill narrative as far
as Rodney goes, because I mean, these are all the
people that end up getting targeted are always people of
fluent family or you know, they have some sort of

(55:04):
outstanding you know, some some something outstanding about them, which
is why I'm definitely questioning about this Tyler Robinson kid.
You know, I totally believe he had a four point
zero g p A all the way through school and
that was probably one of the reasons he was targeted.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Did you hear that he had spent basically one semester
in college. Did you hear about this?

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yes, at the u of U, which is a very
well known MK ultra school whiches there, Yes, which, Yeah,
we have the only other version of the Skull and
Bones here and it's called the Owl and Key.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
And who is his daddy? What does he do? I
haven't gotten too far into it, but his daddy's daddy
was born and died in kanab Utah. Now the mind Robin,
I don't know for a fact it's the same Robinson's,
but minderstand. I've done a lot of Mormon genealogy over
the years, and I have a friend Robinson Air Force
military police officer. I was friends with James Robinson's, great guy. Uh,

(56:01):
nothing negative say about him. Orton's family. I'm just saying,
you know, and attract some of those Robinson's. They joined
in Navu, Illinois. They were from Springfield, so they were
part of the Joseph Smith incarnation, which I do argue
is different. Even though folks followed Brigham Young out there.
I do think he had a different mission set, perhaps
than an old Joseph did I.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Oh, I actually agree with that.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Actually did a Yeah, he did a reformation.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Joseph's you know church was a mystical, magical, mystery school
and Brighams is a little bit of that, more freemason,
more straight laced. Let's make some money, baby.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
And I dig that back one second. That Robinson's I
was referring to were not of Springfield. They were actually
from Kirkland. My apologies. They migrated to Independence, Missouri before
they went to Nauvo, and largely most of them stayed
in around Independence. There's a large pocket of Robinson's in
Kansas City, just interesting hour.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
If you know that there was the last last I
saw somebody made a connection to a Robinson that was
employed by Hill Air Force Base. That was supposed Tyler
Tyler's uncle, And I never saw anything more about that,
see if it was actually confirmed or not.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
But I looked into it, sir, if I may, I
don't think that his family. When we're dealing with these
Mormon families, it's like trying to find a you know again,
they're all really you know, it's there's so many Limans.
For example, Phil Lyman, Congressman, one of one of my
closest friends in the church, grown up boy Scouts and
et cetera, was a Liman. And his sister is a

(57:38):
staffer for the Congressman out of Cincinnati today. So we
see the power of these folks wield even outside the
state of Utah. So the Mormon ward I grew up
in and Cincinnati is you know, from the ages of
you know, ten through seventeen there, right, we had Liman's.
All y'all are going to recognize these names. We had Limans.
We had Bennett's Bob Bennett's nephew was my bishop. We

(58:00):
had we had Steals. They're coming up a lot in
this in this narrative around the Kirk situation, we got
steals up there in the north and the south. Then
I bet that our family my assessment there. So that's
what I'm saying when we start looking at these matters
of the Robinson's in Utah, there's a lot of Robinson
Mormons in utaih.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Right, right, Yeah, we allstack absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
And well, I'm trying to think of some of the
other founding families we had in Uh. We had the Spragues,
you know, I'll probably recognize that one we I had
a Joseph Smith descendate in my in my uh, in
my ward, my boy Scout troop leader's wife was a
Joseph Smith descendant. So, you know, I often wonder why
are all of these founding families of Mormonism finding themselves

(58:42):
in the operational headquarters of the Society of the Cincinnati
and Cincinnati, Ohio. Right, And a lot of these folks
in that ward. I can't think if it's any of
the ones of the of the founding family of the Hollands.
The Hollands that was another one. We had paternal descendants
of the Hollands. That was a first to counselor to
Joseph Smith as.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Well, did you ever have any Homers come up oomers?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
No? No, But one thing I found interesting as well.
I noticed though, is some of these folks, including the
sprite and one of that Sprague fella was one of them. Yeah,
they were. They were the personal employees pilots. You know,
CPA's attorneys of Carl Lender, the thirty third degree freemason. So,
speaking of Howard Hughes and his activities, Carl Lender super

(59:23):
spooked up Chaquita, Banana, United Fruits, CIA operations in South America,
thirty third degree freemason, friends with Michael Milliken, you know,
the junk bond guy in all that business. So he
basically owned his family still owns Cincinnati my opinion, they
live on a mound in Indian Hill, one of the
wealthiest zip codes in America. But yeah, that he would
employ ant. But Mormons like Howard, who's always found that.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Interesting, right, Well, and that's that's who took over for
Howard Hughes, right, is that that group of Mormons after
he Gay disappeared.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Bill Gay, you're talking Haughty's language, sir, You are talking
Hotei's language.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Right, there. Yeah, Bill Gay took over because Howard Hughes
had pushed Nixon, and this is part of why you
know he owned him. Basically, he pushed him to put
everything under his medical center, the Howard Hughes Medical Center,
and Bill Gay took that over and he ran it
until he died, basically, and that family is still very

(01:00:22):
important to this day. And since I spoke to you last,
Heather Gay, who is one of the real housewives of
Salt Lake City, her dad. I just found stuff on him.
He's a fed fed Fed Fed Fed FBA. And then
he retires and becomes a teacher. And what does he do.
He's over like the Special Kid program, like where they're gifted.

(01:00:44):
He's recruiting at the school. Literally you can see it,
and they just like let it go. So I'm like, oh,
that's fun and interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
One more note here on Lender. This is the guy
that would have his hand up both George Bush number
one and Ords Bush number twos but to make their
mouth move. He was He was their biggest mega donery guy. So, like,
I had to do a lot when I was at
the Air Force Security Force as a military police, we
do a lot of augment augmentee duties. I did a
lot of them with Secret Service, and I was stationed

(01:01:15):
right Patterson Air Force Based during the two thousand and
four election cycle, and that motherfucker George Bush number two
would always be laying his plane there and doing deep
and going down to Carl Lender's house for all sorts
of meetings. I was like, what is going on in life?
I didn't know a lot of these details back then,
didn't really understand the context. I didn't like it, you know,
it was certainly impeding on my normal you know, my

(01:01:36):
normal schedules, you know, having to do extra duties and whatnot.
But you know, it gave me an insight to really,
I think how things operate. Because what is Carl Linder
doing so involved in politics? Is again the man super
spooked up. He said, very much like Howard Hughes. They're
cut from the same cloth. Now Lenders. Lender's not a
society the Cincinnati guy. Although Howard Hughes was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Oh yeah, right, I and I found something. Yeah, since
I spoke to you, I found some really weird connection.
On accident. So I was doing a show with this
guy and we were talking about the Golden Bough and
you know, he's talking about ok worship and I was like, yeah,

(01:02:19):
you know, these these people have canes. The canes that
were in the black sticks are oak. And you know Jupiter,
all the connections with Jupiter and the Golden bough and
Joseph Smith's you know, day he was born is actually
on the first day of the festival for Jupiter. But
also it explains in the King's part. In the King's Chapter,

(01:02:41):
it says that the kings can't cut their hair or
their nails, nor can their feet touch the ground. What
did Howard Hughes do? He put tissue boxes on his
feet and he had long hair, long nails, and you're
supposed to go steal them, Like the only way these
kings can have their hair cut or their nails done
is if their aids go steal them while they sleep.

(01:03:03):
But Howard never slept, and so we know this, and
I I very much think that Howard was mk ultrad
into some weird golden boughs stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
He's born, He's born, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yeah? Yeah, I did, right, Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
So do you think that's why he disappeared or because
I wow, like this book Anassis like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
This is you're talking about the Gemstone File and Project Seek.
I will tell you that, honestly, I find it fascinating.
I think that there's something to be said there. A
lot of people will pooh poo it, But as we've proven,
George de Mornshield was Jackie's writing coach. She called him
Uncle George. And you can't tell me that all of

(01:03:51):
the people that were completely surrounding JFK were for some
reason in on it, right, like even inadvertently. Like the
girlfriend is you know, the mom of Ruth Payne. Her
name is also Ruth Payne, So her son is working
over at bell Helicopter because her husband is the inventor

(01:04:12):
of Belle Helicopter. This is like a twisted web we weave.
And all of this goes back to what aliens. I've
never cared about aliens ever, And then I was like,
what what in the hell is happening here? But on
NASA's definitely took everything over and all of funny funny
thing you can verify is all of the people that
worked for Howard went to work for on NASAs directly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
At right right, So do you do you believe that
there's any validity to the theory that it was like
a beating gone wrong and they basically made him brain dead.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
So there's one specific guy that it was kind of
in charge of this, and he's definitely a fed. Why
can't I think of his name right now? You can't
hardly find anything on him. I'll think of it in
a second.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Is the guy that worked for Larry Flint after.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
No, he went to work for Onassis and then became
into government. Why can't I think of his name right now?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I will Flint.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
So, so there was there was a man that worked
for Onassis and then ended up working for Larry Flint
later on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
I can't think talking about John John Yes, yeah, I
can't remember his last name.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
I can't either, ceremony.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I'm like, it's John.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Yeah. This is why, this is why Larry Flint started
coming out with all those like insane or not insane,
but like at the time they were portrayed as insane,
like conspiracy reports back and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
That article was actually true, Yeah, that printed.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Right, and he started doing a like a conspiracy magazine.
It only got four releases and I'm trying to get
my hands on any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Well, you'll have to bring up to speed. On that
I can't find that, but if I may add some
additional context these matters. So Howard Hughes is likely the
hereditary descendant of this fella from the Maryland chapter in
the Society at Cincinnati, prominent figure in American history. And
we consider that aristol On Nassis was the father of JFK. Junior,
in which Hattie makes some great points when we bring
up a picture. Then we consider that JFK. Junior was

(01:06:24):
born into the Maryland chapter. All right, So we started
looking at things that maybe there's a lot of Society
of Cincinnati stuff going on here, specifically within that Maryland chapter,
perhaps round the Hughes situation, because Aristotle A. Nassis allegedly
kidnaps Howard Hughes there and steals it all his wealth
and onnasas is the basis for that. James Bond villain
ern Ernesto Blowfield, Ernst Stavros Blowfield and Fleming based him

(01:06:48):
off of Onassis, like he based the shift off of
Alistair Crowley. So and Stavros Blowfield there is the leader
of this international gangsters a specter, right, this international organized
crime faction. So we kind of mash those ideas together.
We're starting to look at a different picture here, and
then we look at the whole JFK thing, and we
see JFK member of the Society of the Cincinnati by

(01:07:09):
virtue of being president, honorary member, his son member. Obviously,
his father in law was a member before he died
in fifty seven. And then then we get Lee Harvey Oswald, right,
his third great grandfather, second great grandfather, Major Joseph Oswald
of the Georgia Chapter of the Society the Cincinnati. So

(01:07:32):
when we look at that situation, we see a lot
of Society Souff jag your Hoover honorary member of the
New York Chapter of Society Cincinnati from nineteen forty six forward.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Well, in the United Fruit, United Fruit comes up again
with this whole situation because Mary Carter Pink Company goes
into United Fruit, and United Fruit goes into the Xanadu
where he was saying, and then the Xanadu situation and
this guy that I don't know why I can't remember
his name right now, irritating me, but he's all a
part of this, and then he ends up leaving that

(01:08:05):
and becoming like head of state, something like a big
important political guy and so but we know that Trump,
you know, was even part of this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I mean, well, he gets the whole United Paint or
Mary you know, the Mary Carr Paint, United Fruit Mayor
Lansky blackmail network right through the Resorts International.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Yeah, he ends up being Resorts International and then opening
up the Atlantis Hotel. Don't tell me, these people don't
know mystery school stuff. Get out of here with that, right. Well, yeah,
why he's doing they say, the Glomar Explorer. But what
did they really call this Project Azorion? And what do
we know about the Azores? We know that Steiner had
a lot to say about it. I'll tell you that

(01:08:44):
much right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
And you know this is this is the Glomar incident.
So this is where we get the term we cannot
confirm nor deny the Glomar response. And this was a
vessel and Bill Colby are our channel. This was for you, Bud.
Bill Colby was out there on that ship as well
in this, in this whole mission. So there you go, Bud,
are our channels, my favorite Ai Cia Bot, Bill Kobe
ball Washer. I cannot be as wrong as him, even

(01:09:07):
if I tried. But here we go. He's trying to
say that on NASAs is not Junior's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Dad, so might want to check the photos.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
I'm just saying, I'm going to check that scoreboard.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
There are are The photos are very interesting when you
have a very Irish white guy and he has the
brownest greekest kid you've ever seen, who looks just like
Alexander Onassis, which would be Onassas's actual kid that we
know of. And we also know that he and Jackie

(01:09:37):
had definitely a relationship there for the assassination and she
was on the boat on the Christina. There are photos
of them being ever so close.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
That's my main point right there, man, Operation GCD garbage
candude what. I also like to call it greatest common
denominator because that's the way I look at things, and
the greatest comdominator. There is Jackie and Aristotle ha a
pre existing relationship. Yeah, apparently a young child looks just
like Aristotle Nassis. You're gonna tell me that's these black
Irish get out of town.

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Yeah, that's interesting. Apparently there was a phone call from
jfk Uh. You know, it was right after the attempt
at Chicago hit when Jackie was on his boat, and
you know, he threatened a Nassis and said, you know,
you harm any hair on her head, and apparently that
didn't go over well. So you know, who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
But we're looking at a situation where we're sold these narratives.
There's a young Jackie and Aristotle right there. You can
almost see a JFK, you know, young JFK there going
on right, And again this is their dating history. This
is People Magazine talking about their dating history. You know,
again that precedes the birth of JFK Junior. And again

(01:10:54):
you see her his mom sitting next to him. You're like, oh,
that's a young Aristotle. I think I have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
I think I have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
If you have that one comparison to that, yep, I'm
gonna do it. I can't find it, man, But it
is an interesting topic I do like to bring up
because it is, uh, you know, coalesces a lot of
these things, and a lot of this conspiracy culture we
talk about goes back to that whole bay of Pigs thing, right,
and and my point with a lot of this thing

(01:11:22):
of who is your daddy?

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Was he do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
It's never a plumber, never electrician. No, my daddy's a
truck driver.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Never the case, well, you know it seems relevant because
we're what I'm what my general overall meta aspect of that,
you know, facetious little you know, smart ass joke I
do there is that we're sold a narrative that is false.
We know that we don't know the actual circumstances of
reality behind those false narrators, but we see it fl
like JFK here his private school child, roommate from private school,

(01:11:50):
lifelong friend, and who had a room at the White House.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Yep, and he looks super straight, right, Okay, So I
want to show people this pot right there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Just good friends.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
They're just right right, that's it. Uh So look at
the hairline, you guys, if anything, the look at this hairline.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Look at the loving gays they have in their line.
I'm not being as smart as.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
G A you still have. I can't see. Let me
know when in the second hold on, ye just let
me know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Everyone soak in the JFK. I'm not saying. I'm saying that,
you know, he obviously put his think you liked any
hole could find if you if you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
MM, I don't know. I've had some pretty good friends
my day, but never quite.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
You didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
You didn't. I would, I would describe as my brothers.
But I'm not looking at him like that old hands.
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
All right, here's this photo. Let's see. I don't know,
I pushed share, so can you guys see it? Okay, yeah,
it's okay. This is Aristotle onasis. If you want to
look at this hairline right here, and this hairline right here,
if you want to look at this is my favorite piece.
Look at this diamond shaped lip right here. Oh look

(01:13:04):
we have it there too, dang. And then you know
we've obviously got Jackie in the mix. But this nose
is a dead ringer. Like look at how this bridge is.
Look at how this bridge is. Yeah, the lip, the
bottom lip. You know, it's just hard to say there,
but I can see a lot of resemblance where it

(01:13:26):
shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Is that an irishman? I mean, I'm not black Irish,
but I don't look like an irishman.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Yeah, And he always was so dark that people were like,
oh yeah, what's going on there? And I'm going to
try to see if I had one of Alexander, because
that's that's a big piece. If I don't, I don't
think I do. But his other son. I've literally been
showing pictures to people before and they're like, oh, that's

(01:13:55):
JFK Junior, right, And I'm like, no, so that's you know,
that's an issue. So and I did have my husband
bring the folder because I couldn't. I couldn't leave you
guys hanging. James O. Golden is the man that allegedly
kidnapped Howard Hughes. And he was a special agent for
the White House, US Secret Service Dwight Eisenhower and Nixon.

(01:14:18):
Uh And there's very little on this man. And so
James O. Golden, founder of Intertel spy agency, just fyi, guys,
and he was the private security on Paradise Island. So yeah,
like the these things are very interesting when we're looking

(01:14:38):
at all of all of these little connects like we've
been doing tonight. You know, oh yes, nobody goes yeah,
far enough back because.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
They were going to be talking about JFK. Junior's daddy
and Alistair Croley. Here we got on the right. Let's
shift from James Bond and Alistair Croley. I'm sorry, Aristolo
Nasis Blowfield on the left there and I'll be Wednesday night.
Folks can check that out because again, this is very
James Bondesk what we're talking about. Right. In fact, JFK
filmed his own assassination two months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
James O. Golden also became the resorts VP uh for
the whole situation for that company for a while. So
just some people know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
How weird is this? Though, the JFK would film his
own assassination using the same team of secret service of
Wrong Ground in Dallas that day. His wife, the photographer Jackie,
would be the director of the film. And it's mentioned
here and finally released just not that long ago. And
Ryder Lee was the one who brought to my attention
he did a JFKX film, which draws into question the
fabricated stagecraft of the Zuppruter film. Right, so film was

(01:15:45):
it filmed at the same time here? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
I don't know. I mean, I've seen three different versions
of the Subruder film. You know, I've seen him floating
around for for a while, actually not too long on
ago uh, there was a big push for the driver
of the limo to be the assassin once again, I've
and I know that that's popped up over over the

(01:16:10):
last several decades.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
But yeah, I've even seen one recently that Jackie pulled
out a gun and shot him. Really watched, I challenged him,
and watch jfk X and tell me that's not We're
not seeing Hollywood stagecraft, right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Hmm. And on that maybe maybe he thought it was fake. Yeah,
and then you know, maybe they did him dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Well, I would say, I would like, I would like
to propose this option that not everyone works together in
these matters, and then there's a lot of warring factions
that are doing sy ops against syops, if you will.
And I would argue that we probably saw that in Butler,
PA last year with Donald Trump. Crooks, his dad, who's
his daddy? What does he do? Well? His father, well,

(01:16:53):
his his forefather was either a Captain Crooks or his
elder brother, Colonel Crooks of the Pennsylvania Chapter of the
Society of the Cincinnati. So not only that, and what
I'm saying here is that we're seeing these patterns of
behavior to the society across all these major parapolitical events
and assassinations whatnot, and we can see that there's stagecraft present.
All I'm saying is, you know, sometimes maybe there's an

(01:17:14):
assassination plan and the opposing faction wants to give them
their assassination. You know what I mean? Stagecraft file right.
So and on that note, I would like to table
that thought here for another moment as I do this interruption. Well, god,

(01:17:46):
I could have killed them all. I could have killed you.
I'm telling you the law. Thank you, it's me. Don't
push it, don't push it. I'll give you a war
you won't believe. Let it go. John J. Rambo. Uh,

(01:18:26):
no disrespect there, Jacob J. But I'm also not gonna
let that motherfucker out JJMI here and uh when I
see these matters of of uh you know there, you know,
And technically I am a Rambo, So I'm not a
John J. Rambo, but you know I am a Rambo
of this guy, one of the founding members of America
here Swedish style into the nation or what we now

(01:18:47):
know is Pennsylvania and Delaware. So I'm certainly not gonna
let a family member of mine John J. Rambo out
J Jamie. That's certainly not happen. But all these families
stick together, all these founding family of America ain't just
mine or heides Charlie Kirk's families. You know, there's interlocking
aspects of these things, and all US presidents are related.

(01:19:09):
With the exception of Martin Van Buren, a commedy bastard
part of the anti liberty faction. His wife was part
of the family. She was a livingstone of the New
York Chapter families. He was not related to that. I
don't know how. I really don't know how he got
in there, but he's not. He's not part of the
family's wife is, but everyone else is. And I actually
discovered that from a thirteen year old girl who did

(01:19:29):
a school project about fifteen years ago on the interwebs,
posted a video on a local news report. I'm like,
get the fuck. I was already doing genealogy at the time,
but I was coming in a lot of those same
conclusions that she had, and I was like, this is
an eye opening experience. She's going to help me out
a lot with some of his research.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Yeah, yep, it's straight down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
People always say, okay, we came here for freedom up religion, Okay, okay, true,
they didn't say what religion for, right all, this is
the United States, a freemasonry. There's nothing that can make
me think otherwise. There are darker factions, lighter factions, but
it is that. And you know, some people forget that.

(01:20:10):
You know, Joseph Hills from where Massachusetts, not New York,
and this is also a witchcraft and they were escaping
the persecution in that area, like a lot of people
were then. And I'm sorry, but this plays out like
when you start looking at it with a fine toothed come,
it's more than freemasonry, because Freemasons learn about magic, but

(01:20:32):
they don't necessarily practice magic, right, But Martinists they practice magic.
And you know, that's a practicing order of solemonic magic.
And you know what people want to call that, I mean,
what's a person that practices magic? Ah wizard? Maybe? Like
I don't know what you want to call it back then,
but that's the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yeah, I think you're definitely spot on there, man. I know,
I recently caught one of your shows on solomonic magic
and I definitely enjoyed that one. Relative to these topics,
and it necessarily a major factor in the establishment of
freedom of religion. But all of these things go back
to what we know as personal liberties and freedoms to
the magna carta as we see here in this in
this genealogical project of this seventh grader who came to

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these conclusions. Aaron, Again, she did some great research, and
I confirmed a lot of this stuff with some of
my own genealogical research. But you know George Washington's ten
of his forefathers fourteenth through seventeen, great grandfather ten times,
you know, ten different guys. There were the ten of
the twenty five Knights Templar that brought us Magna Carta.
So five hundred and sixty plus years later, and their

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their grandson George is bringing us magnet Carta two point
zero as historians called with the Bill Rights. So there
is a lot to these things. Again as far as
the establishment of liberties and freedoms, and I do agree
with you, Heidi, there is a I don't necessarily you know,
I'm a big proponent of liberties and freedoms. I think
these two gentlemen are from our previous discussions. I want
to speak for them, but they also have a big

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fans of these things, and I think, I don't know,
I'd like to hear your all thoughts on this. In
this notion of liberty, that one man's liberty is another man's,
you know, disaster. This is kind of the concept of liberty. Yeah.
I mean what I'm saying is like, you know, people
want to say like, oh, I'm all for liberty, but
then they're like, oh, well, then there's the peer you know. Well,
in regards to the way of America was found, you

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have the Puritans, and then the folks who they didn't like,
who they thought were radicals. They all left the Matthew's
Bay Colony and started Rhode Island. So then we have
the Rhode Island chapter of the Society of the Cincinnati.
It's all rooted in those families. So we can kind
of see those factional divides there in regards to liberty.
But there's always a sliding scale and it comes to liberty.
And I will be the first to say that I

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have my limitations on liberties as well what I would
call liberties. But that being said, I you know, in
regards to ceremonial magic, I'm simply not a fan across
the board. So well, I recognize that he's liberty, I
don't have to like it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
They're still there's still patriotic because we know that Joseph's
family are Captain Samuel Smith, Like we know they're involved
in all of these things. In they're one hundred percent
involved in what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
For sure, an option of the society, right man. We
see Joseph Smith's grandfather Massachusetts chapter. He probably knew Bill
Colby's forefather, who was a mass Juses chapter. Who probably
knew Jack Parsons Oto Agape Lodge, his forefather Captain Parsons,
Massachusetts chapter of the Society of the Cincinnati. But we
see the the the basis of the theological basis and

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philosophical basis of the Mormon you know, worldview is rooted
in Society of Cincinnati stuff. We got the the help
me out, what was home boy's name from.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
New Hampshire, Rigdon Sidney Rigdon?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Oh, thank you now that was his buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Now the Spaulding manuscript there we go, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
I usually do forget Rigden's name. I forgot Spalding's name
this time, though, right because you found that Spalding actually
comes back up with the Smith family up there, and
we see the Spaulding manuscript serves as a basis for
the Book of Mormon, which I.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Say is a different story than most people say. Most
people say Joseph ripped it off from him. But they
all went to the same college. Joseph didn't, of course,
but his brother certainly did. And he was sick, and
his brother took some time off to help Joseph and
help nurse him back to health. What are you going
to do with the kid that's that age, that's sick.
You're going to read him some books. But they all

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learned underneath Professor John Smith. And they say he's not related,
budd he is. He's he's on the grandparents' side. He's
a distant cousin, but actually on both sides. So I mean,
people can say what they want. This guy was completely
teaching them theology, and all of these students learned underneath, including.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Well and in our previous discussions you brought to my
attention as well on these matters that spalling his connections,
and I go further into who his daddy was and
what did he do, And it was Tom and Spaulding himself,
not his daddy, that served in the Revolution of New
Hampshire as a lieutenant. So therefore society the Cincinnati, So
time and time again we see the same connections there

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and then another society connection as far as the basis
goes h Jacob, j Are you familiar with then of
these aspects of what we're talking about as far as
the Spauling manuscript.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Or I am, well, this is way further back than
I've gone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Oh, this is what Heidi and I loved to discuss
here when we when we convene.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
We like to talk about all of the things that
people say they've figured it out. And then I'm like, nope, goes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Way more than that, absolutely, because you've we've even discovered
a lot of new things. He just looking into these
things further in recent months. But Elis Budeno founding Father's
Society of Cincinnati. He wrote a book called A Star
in the West in eighteen eighteen, which would be the
fundamental basis for jo Just Smith's theories and thoughts of
the Lost Tribes of Israel. Interesting yep, And Budena was

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a major figure. He was an intelligence officer and Georgie's
you know, as you know, spy apparatus. If folks want
to learn more about Georgie's spy apparatus, I've been doing
a series on that in Operation GCD called Chasing Manir
with one of George Washington's spies descendants. My dude Brad

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Minyard aka the descendant of a fellow by name of
Joseph Minyard Joseph Manir. He post as a Frenchman falling
around the Aaron Burr conspiracy, that anti anti liberty faction
on the Society of Cincinnati that popped off in eighteen
oh four after we got all that new land in
the Louisiana purchase, another society land deal Napoleon bonaparts size

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Cincinnati there. But we see and we see that land
claim was actually a Knights Templar land claim from thirteen
sixty two was what we got in the Louisiana purchase.
And again these are all Templar descendants. So we see
these things going on over time in a much larger tale.
But my point being there regarding these matters in that
spy apparatus, folks could check that out with a descendant

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from one of those spies, and his forefather, Joseph Joseph
Minyard knew Abner Vance. They were both. We've we've now
tracked them both to Rowan County, North Carolina and seventeen
eighty one, and guess who else was there? George Washington.
So I'm pretty sure he was visiting his son, Abner.
But you know, these things happened so and it was.

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It was actually the chief spy recruiter for George Washington,
a guy by the name of Captain and William Rickard,
out of the Massachusetts chapter of the Society of Cincinnati,
stationed down there in the Cherokee forefront of the West
and North Carolina Virginia regions now, and he recruited Brad
Minyard's forefather. And he knew this. He knew Admir Vance
and Captain Minyard, Captain Minyard, Captain Rickard would be the Masonic.

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He would give the Masonic funeral rights at George Washington's funeral.
H And it was. It was as one article, there
was two. When I say anti liberty faction, and this
started from day one, I do mean it. There was
two articles that published George Washington's funeral, Two newspapers in
America pushed the president's death. And then one of those

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mentioned one of the two mentions Captain Rickard the Massonic
funeral rights. And he was a member of the Society
of the Cincinnati. And it was that article that caused
Brad Menard to contact me once he started looking into
the society sent but fos can check that out around
these matters of spy networks that again I don't have
any I don't have a membership card or a badge
or anything. But Cornell legends Abner Vance served as the

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spy and a scout for George Washington. And the evidence
suggests that when I find him with Daniel Boone and
Rowan County, along with the chief spy, Captain Rickard, and
you know this whole, this whole apparatus falling around the
Burr conspiracy before and after. So it is interesting when
we look at these things in Elis Boo and I
was a big part of that. And then again that's
where the Mormons. So when we see what I'm getting

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at there is I think y'all agree the Mormons are
big into the spook operations. Absolutely, we see, we see
where they get their onset the society. We see, this
guy's a major figure in the onset of the spook
operations in this country. So look no further, I would say, And.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
The templars are extremely important for those that don't know,
the Mormon templar connection is gigantic.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
So well again, ma'am, Society of Cincinnati offshoot. So there
we go. We see that, we see the hierarchy. There
we see the chronology of events. But on the notion
of liberty and these Mormons in their nation of Deseret,
what what are your all thoughts, because again I mean,
I'm you know, I'm I'll go ahead and first foremost
say I'm ardently opposed to ancient alien cargo cults. I'm

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not sure I y'all heard it in the theme song
they haunt the pale moonbeams. So the you know, they've
caused a lot of problem in America, you ask me.
And they're in these concepts they try to force on
society at large, and they're ancient alien cargo cult ideals. Right,
So you know, while I recognize liberty and I'm happy
to let that be such, it's those moments when they

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start forcing that upon other people that I no longer
call liberty, even if they try to themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Yeah right, I mean, if somebody's choosing choosing your underwear
for you, as that really freedom. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I knew you'd have. I knew you'd have a great
an excellent that is an excellent retort. And speaking of magic,
underwear I still own, mind, I you know, I didn't
officially I quit going. I just again, I quiet quit,
you know. But I often joke that my Mormon underwear
protects me from most knife attacks, most gunfire, and some
nuclear blasts.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
So mine definitely not anywhere. Yeah, no, I'm out on that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
I used to joke around as I was deployed with
a bunch of folks, much of Mormon, you know, all
of Salt Lake City. I got to played at Rakistan
with the Mormon Security Force unit out of SLC Airport there,
the National Guard unit, and uh, you know, I used
to they enjoyed my They all called me the XM,
so they enjoyed my warm numors, most of them did.
But I would often joke about the underwear business. But yeah,

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so that was a great now and that was I
really appreciate. That was a great response. But what you know,
and on above that, though you know, you live in
the city, you live in the nation of you and
Jacob J. Bowse, so you have some interesting viewpoints. I'm
sure the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Freedom here is different than than it would be I
think almost anywhere else. I mean, we all know that
this is ran by Mormons, whether they say it is
or isn't. And even the ones that don't appear to
be Mormons, we look a little bit deeper and they
are pseudo Mormons or Society of Cincinnati, or their brothers,

(01:31:23):
their brothers somehow, some way, And I think that that
makes it really hard to be here as a person
that not just as a quiet liver. I'm not a
quiet liver. I'm a noisy person that you know. Is
annoying about this because I don't feel like they tell
the truth. My problem isn't with the Mormons my problems
with the truth. My problem is is, Yeah, they're initiating

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people into mystery Babylon and they have a zero idea
what they're doing, and I just think that's wrong. Yeah,
I think I think you should have the right to know,
even if you're going to pledge to be a free
Nason or something. You've heard the stories like, oh you're
gonna be hoodwinked, Oh you're you don't get any of
that when you're gonna be a Mormon and go through

(01:32:07):
the temple, So you know, I think it's unfair and
I think they're using people and and I actually heard
just recently that they changed the temple ceremony down to
an hour long. You no longer have to memorize anything,
and it's all done on cards for you. Why would
they do that because that is not for you anymore.
Now they're not even bothering to initiate the uninitiated. They're

(01:32:30):
just using you for a cover. You are the porch Masons.
I call them porch Mormons at this point, so that
you can they can blend right on Thursday when they
go do their wooh wooh whatever at the third Thursday
temple thing. You know, it looks normal because everybody's there
every other day too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
You guys do Thursdays. I didn't get no, I don't know.
I just picked today exactly. When I hear stories about scientology,
you know, I see a lot of similarities because I was.
I remember going to church almost every other week.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Yes, it was a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
It was the wait boy, scouts, you functions, volunteer work.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Visiting, teaching, priestood, meeting prisa.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
You know, you guys call them that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Oh yeah, and so for all of that, you know,
I feel like honesty would be good. Like my problem
isn't about the Mormons are what they do? Hey knock
yourselves out. You want to be a magical woo woo
Harry Potter, deal, do it, but quit lying to people
like that's a good idea, you know, because then people
like me get pissed off. I'm like the girlfriend that
you lied to, and now I won't go away.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
So well, But it's not liberty. To force that is
against That is not liberty, That's what I'm saying. Even
if you try to spouse as liberty, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
It's control. It's control. Everything is controlled here and everything
is controlled in that religion. And if people want to
be there and be controlled by their own choice, good,
quit doing it to babies straight out of the womb,
like let's let's let's chill out a little bit, you know.
And that's with any religion. I get that. I don't
belong to religion anymore. I don't like religion. I belong

(01:34:03):
my heart belongs to Jesus. But like, religion is not
not the thing, because we all know, sitting here right now,
absolute power corrupts absolutely and it always always does. And
that's my little soapbox on it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Yeah, so my issue.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Had some great, some great comments, and yes, sir, I
would uh, you're a man of formative, a libertarian party,
and lots of ideas on liberty generally speaking. And you
live in the Nation of desert, sir. Yeah, so actually
laser beams everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
I'm still technically involved with the Libertarian Party. I actually
run communications for him. But uh, you know, I'm I'm
definitely not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
I did not know that. I did not know that, sir. Yes,
And you're you're so you're you're if I'm you're up
there doing a lot of moving and shaken, if you will,
as are as far as coordinating so many efforts in right,
because I remember, I remember correctly on your show, I Junior,
for that fourth anniversary show of the Rise of Liberty.
I thoroughly enjoyed that conversation. I appreciated the invite. But
I met a fello over there by the name of
I believe Toad. He was a candidate, right.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
Yeah, Toad was a candidate. He was running for president
for the Libertarian Party.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Yeah, you were describing, like some circumstances he was involved
in an actual debate.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
Oh yeah, yeah. He actually went to several different debates
across the country and absolutely killed it. He was the
best candidate ever. You know, the the last time Libertarians
ran a candidate, you know, the comedian Dave Smith was
actually slotted to be the presidential candidate to go up

(01:35:43):
against Trump and everything, and you know, there there was
a lot of people in his corner that were excited
for that. He ended up not doing it, which I
totally don't blame him. You know, it seemed like the
overall feeling in the party was that everyone was ungrateful,
and you know, I'm I'm not going to put my

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entire life on the line and tell everybody, you know,
in my family, hold on, I've got to go run
for a party that doesn't even appreciate me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
So, you know, it was just a great point because
didn't they elect to gay furry as their presidential candidate?

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Yeah? Pretty much. I mean, he wasn't He wasn't a.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Not exactly what I would call liberty. These are not
the values I would fight for. Freedom of speech from religion,
that's great, but not gay furriness, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
And so the problem with the I mean with the
Libertarian Party largely is that it's it's not a left
wing ideology at least in any sense of the definition
of the modern left versus right. You know, it's a
more traditional left, a more traditional liberal, but that's nowhere

(01:36:50):
near the current definition of right versus left today, So
by today's standards, it would be way more of a
far right ideology. But I mean as far as like
here in Utah, I mean, it's it's interesting that the
church definitely does control things, but it's it's the same

(01:37:12):
thing as uh, you know, the Catholic Church in Boston,
you know, so it's not well, I mean, they have
a major presence over there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
So you're not wrong, sir, You're not wrong. I'm not trying.
It's a great point. But what I'm saying is it
almost seems even more darker.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
I I would say so, but I think that's don't
get me wrong, right, right. I think that's more of
a geographical thing because you know, this was where the
Mormons settled and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
But my this is a new nation. This is not America, right,
and I don't think they wanted to be America. I
think a lot of these folks we see pop off
everyone around that Idaho for situation, including the University of
Idaho President Scott Green. We all came here to Deseret.
Their ancestors, they're Mormon ancestors wagon trained to Deseret. Ye,
they're not going to America. Harry Thornley Well, I would

(01:38:10):
argue the discord in society is an all shoot of the
Processed Church, and they have an epicenter of activity in
New Orleans at the same time. Right, So that's a
strong armed you made there. But his whole family is
British pioneering Mormons under the guys of Deseret and bring
them young. So have they always hated America? Have they
put it down to their descendants?

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
I mean that that's a that's a really good question.
I've never known.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
That's what I mean by darker, sir, I do. I
do agree with you the stranglehold, but I'm saying it seems.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
A bit darker, right, it's so, at least from my understanding.
I mean, they were being persecuted, and so would would
you really want to be a part of a nation
being built where you are persecuted. So they went off

(01:38:56):
on their own and they settled their own areas. So
I mean they're totally able to uh start their own area.
And personally, I believe that once they got out here.
You know, there was a meeting between the Mormon militia
and the US military. And I think that's kind of
when the deal was struck. You know, you do as

(01:39:17):
we say, you joined forces with us, or we're gonna
wipe you out kind of a thing. And uh, their
back was kind of against the wall. So they did it.
And that's kind of where we see ourselves today, is
that agreement. But that I mean, that's ultimately my issue
with the church is the leadership. I have less issue
with the members. Like the members, I have really no

(01:39:39):
issue with even even the what I consider to be
Molly Mormons, which are like the stereotypical super judgy that
the ones usually converts that are trying to play catch
up or whatever. Like those those are who I call
Molly Mormons. Well, you know, make some great points.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
And when you say about these meetings, I would argue
Pee Thomas is a great point here as well. So
Brigham Young calls this first order of business and his
new nation of Deseret is to call the James Bond
of the nineteenth century. M I six is UK secret
agent guy to come meet with them. I would argue,
this is the British invasion. That's why we see the
processed church. I would argue as a wholly owned subsidiary
of the Quorum of the seventy as per the Processed

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Church's own corporate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
The fifty more likely if this, well, that's probably.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
The secret warmer, right They put it on paper though,
was the seventy I think, ma'am, And we do see
that in the Processed Church corporate paperwork or of the
seventy is a is a hierarchical guiding order of their
of their corporation. They just don't tell us who it is.
So I argue they're in the Nation of Utah or
the Nation of Deseret, State of Utah. They file domestic
corporate documents there. Well, then they're talking about the Quorum

(01:40:43):
of the seventy within that state, that is the Mormons.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
So they're running. They're running away, okay, like we're running
for our lives and we want to be left alone. Also,
please let me help you finish the railroad. It's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
I'm glad you say that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Let me let me answer my favorite Ai Cia, Bill
Kobe Bob Osher Cia, I bought here are our channel.
America Vespucci is the Vatican propaganda about the source of
the term America. America is the Society of the Cincinnati's
Goddess Liberty, Lady Liberty Columbia. They named her America. They've
mashed together a bunch of different goddesses, Hecate, Diana, Athena,

(01:41:24):
et cetera. You can see this in the tapestry and
paintings of their headquarters in Washington, d c. All of
these things are represented. But this is the nonsense. We
live under the crown History and America. Vespucci, you know
that's ridiculous, But I like your brain holds that man. So,
Jean Baptiste Charbonneau was the son of Lewis and Clark's

(01:41:45):
guide Yea, and Sycha Juwia was his mother. So, and
it's it's thanks to this individual right here, and why
the Mormons succeeded in why America succeeded. Right. So, he
was their guide for the Mormons going west. He fought
with that Mormon militia you're talking about in the Mexican
American War. We won the Mexican American War thanks to

(01:42:05):
the Mormons. We won the Civil War thanks to the
Mormons and those damn Lee boys. I got a real
problem with them Lee boys for many reasons, but one
of which is they were being backed by globalist interests
of an anti liberty varieties. And we see that same
family manifesting within the Mormon Church in a very powerful way.

(01:42:25):
You may be familiar with current Congressional muppet from Utah,
Mike Lee.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Oh, yes, very familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Descendant of the same Lee Lee boys brother Robert E.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I believe, I'm sorry, maybe he was first cousin and
I'll get back to you. On that same Lee family.
We see all of these men, so we see the
same family. They had a us iner of Utah, Oregon,
Sir B. T. Wallacer, his first cousin was there in
Oregon at the same time Arizona, Nevada. We see these
Mormon Lee family ruling shit.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
Right right well, and I mean technically you haven't even
brought in uh port of Rockwall into any of this. Well,
I mean you want to start getting getting into some
interesting history. I mean the Rockwall family.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
We can die there. That's a great point. But we
can also see the power The Lee family was the
Solicitor General, the person to argue Supreme Court cases on
behalf United States. For Ron Reagan was a member of
this Lee family. Again, it's the it's the same family.
So it's the you'd all hunt Lee family.

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
Right right, well, and I don't know about you guys,
but this all makes sense to me because if they
come out here to establish their new location, of course
they're gonna want the Transcontinental Railroad to end here because
then that actually gives them power over their new domain.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
The Sugar Company. You got to look into the Sugar Company,
and then the Rotary Club, and then you know the
John Birch Society, and then and then and then and
then it's all connected. They never ran from anything.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
I would argue you are making some great points. These
are the manifestations of that anti liberty versus liberty factions
of the Society of the Cincinnati. And if you don't mind, ma'am,
I'm just sharing a couple of those dms I will
send you on this topic. So I got lost in
a you know, rabbit hole. I sent about three hours.
I sent Heidi a couple of couple messages of simms,
and again, of course it goes back to the Society

(01:44:23):
of Cincinnati. So I started tracking them Lee boys, and
sure as shit, who do I find? Captain Samuel Vance
Pennsylvania Chapter of the Society of Cincinnati. In fact, they're
deeply involved in that Holy you'd all family and they're
deeply Mormons. In fact, one of those Mormons, in fact,
I presume the hereditary member of that line from Captain

(01:44:45):
Singuel Vance. That dude's wife was the records clerk for
Leytal County, Idaho for the last twenty seven years. She
just recently retired.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Interest talked about h Lee as in you you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Know, like Robert, Yes, ma'am, those sun so you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
Know, the Templars are involved with Robert E. Lee and Canada.
This whole thing gets really weird, But they were actually involved.
He went up to Canada and talked to them, like
in my Templar episode, the Canadian one. It's very interesting
what that guy had to say, and he lives in
Canada and said that he had come out and they

(01:45:24):
had they were supposed to bring them in as a
stay over it and everything there was like mass support.
It has a lot to do with a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Yeah, Oh, don't I think we're again. We're chasing away
every time here man again getting closer to the actual
circumstances at hand. So we see these folks here. The
you dolls came from England, during Brigham on pioneering the desert.
They settle in kanab Utah, the British invasion capital of Utah.
As things seems with the Hamblings as well. Right and
again we find again we find Captain Samuel Vance. Right,

(01:45:56):
we find the Lee Boys. I got a lot of
problem with them Lee Boys. They got a lot of beef.
So I'm just saying there there's a repeating pattern behavior here.
And this man right here, this Lee boy was the
forefather of those elements of the Mormon Lee Boys. And
he's two of his plural wives weren't Samuel Vance's daughters.
I'm sorry, yeah, daughter of grand one was a think

(01:46:17):
you married a daughter and a granddaughter? I mean, you know,
what's what's the name? Right right now? This guy was
a major figure in the Mountain Meadows massacre. And I'm
sure Jacob, Jay and Heidi no precisely what I'm talking
about very familiar in regards to this. Can can y'all
provide the folks of the interwebs a quick backstory on this?
And I don't know if you were you aware that
Robert E. Leees it's either his grand nephew or grandson.

(01:46:39):
I gotta get back down that in the moment was
the maid figure in.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
This No, yeah, I actually did not know that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
John Deeley and his wife's of clan Vance, not my fans.
So Captain Samuel Vance would on paper would be Abner
Vance's first cousin. If Abnirvance was interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
Yeah, let's see what what does Wikipedia have to say
about the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Source of all information on the interweb? Sir? The Mountain
Meadows Massacre occurs September seventh through eleventh, eighteen fifty seven,
So this is during this is in the years leading
up to the Civil War. Again, the Mormons helped the
Union win that against the Lee Boys, who were part
of the South. I'm just painting out the sides of
this dispute. So and again it's the same to speak,
we see manifest in the Civil War, which again the

(01:47:25):
Society of the Cincinnati, so the South Carolina if I
may real quick, the South Carolina chapter of the Society
of Cincinnati quits. They didn't quite quit either, they quit
April of eighteen sixty. Then we see the Civil Wars
start in April of eighteen sixty one in Charleston, South Carolina.
So there's things around like coincidence.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
I think it was desert rains that it did happen
on September eleventh. They give this weird little grouping of days.
Now it was on September eleventh, Yeah, where the actually, okay,
we've done this before with this miss and the Tea party,
but for a different reason this time, they you know,

(01:48:05):
dress up as Native Americans as well as involved Native
Americans to go and basically assassinate this party, the Baker
Fancher Party that's going through, and all they wanted to
do was go through, but there was rumor that there
was a lot of people that found out they were
pretty rich, and they killed as many people as they could,

(01:48:26):
and they had the Native Americans kill any children that
look like they might be a little bit young, because
if you kill someone that's innocent, which the only people
that are innocent that are not Mormon are children under
the age of eight. So that's why they brought the
Native Americans in with them, because they didn't want to
lose their second anointing. That's that's literally why they're there.

(01:48:48):
So yeah, that's the only thing that can make you
really lose it is killing an innocent and be an apostate. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
I don't like them, do they?

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
Yeah, don't be like me? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
So isn't it interesting that you know, essentially this did
occur on the anniversary of Charlie Kirks dies in the
anniversary of this event.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
Correct, well, And that's why I didn't talk about this
for three days at least, because they were charging the
house with this. You know, there are dark factions involved
in certain things, and that was a very dark, dark
charged ritual that I refused to speak about for three
days other than I said to pray.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Because that's a great point. Man. I'm glad you said that,
because I think there's just too much speculation going on
across the board on the topic.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
So I don't know about you, but I kind of
felt like with Erica Kirk sharing those pictures from the
funeral and everything, I totally felt though, like that was
I felt like it was a humiliation ritual because I mean,
three days before the assassination happened, Jezebel, like a feminist,

(01:50:03):
you know, rag came out and uh said that they
paid some Etsy witches to curse charge.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
I saw that, Yeah, and I agree there's definitely some
some dark, unseen forces at play. And in all of this,
and so her posting those pictures, and it wasn't just
like posting the pictures, but it was the way in
which they were framed, the way in which they were posted,
the things everyone had to say about them like it.

(01:50:33):
It just seemed like like I won't say satanic necessarily,
but it was a humiliation ritual.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Satan. I mean, it was very dark and very dark.
We are never going to know the truth because here's
the problem with JFK and everything, even as a pruder
films up for grabs on if it's real or not.
With AI, we will never know what is real and
what is not with these videos pre medi.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
Did did anyone find it weird that the algorithm allowed
the murder video to just go wild?

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Yeah, everywhere, get like a grass fire.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
And then they didn't even take it down. They didn't
even just put a warning. And that was discussing like.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
I I didn't even get a warning. It was wild
the first two days on my algorithm. It was everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
I got no warnings. He was just right there. There's nothing, man,
I don't like to see snuff films like unintentionally for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
No, it messes people up, and that's exactly what they
were aiming for. Because September, I loved it is a
little bit old, and I'm not saying it's you know, outdated,
but they gave you the new, the new trauma. They
just traumatized a bunch of kids too, because.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
Control is you know, that was one of the very
first things I said, is that this is what it's
supposed to do. And I remember I was on Twitter
pretty much for three days straight because of that. I
was just talking, watching everyone kind of following the psy
ops and the propaganda. And that very first night, it
was like nobody slept because everyone was set very aumatized. Yeah,

(01:52:16):
I mean completely did luckily.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
That's a good point. That's a good point. I don't
like to think myself as a sick bastard, but I
did sleep like a baby that night. And relative Mormon Mormons,
relative to Mormon tales and that Mormon union I was
deployed with. I was a superintendent of logistics in the
resources for our military police unit, about a five in
our man unit in Irakistan in twenty eleven. Our first
sergeant was part of that. The fifty or so folks

(01:52:40):
we had from the Salt Lake City National Guard. There,
you'll recognize this as our founding family. Dwight. He was
Dwight Christmas In. Great guy, super awesome dude. He was
our first sergeant. And you know, their their joint job
in the Union is like, hey, you know, take care
of the enlisted troops and whatnot. And I was one
of the senior making enlisted troops in the unit. And yeah,
he was always one and we were friends. He's always

(01:53:01):
wanted to talk to me. He's always weirded out by me,
and he had no problem telling me that. So we
get these uh, you know, indirect fire alerts. You know,
the alarms will go off, we're getting mortar attacked or whatever,
who knows, but you know, then you're supposed to run
to a bunker. And then they take attendance. And there's
always there's Mormons. They love attendants. They're always taking attendants.
So Dwight. Dwight would always come by my office from
my room and be like, hey, man, you were not

(01:53:22):
on attendance again for last night's fucking bunker. I'm like, God,
just take me off every list. I'm never going to
show up your stupid bunker patrol meetings or whatever you do,
get blown up. I'm gonna get blown up. And he's
like you just this, I'm like, I just fucking sleep
through it. Button. The guy looked at me like I
was a complete psycho. But I think he's a psychopath
for taking attendants in a bunker.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
Right, Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
But it did affect folks, and I think that was
the point that it seemed very sided.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
Yeah, whether whether real or not real, they accomplished their goal.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
So if and I know, Hi, do you got to
you gotta punch your mount man. I thank you again
for joining me to get all of us here to
get GCD tonight. I want to give you an opportunity
for some closing state opportunity for some closing statements and plugs.
But like this offer, you also some resolutions some of
these points we've been discussing thus far. So Society of Cincinnati, Kirk,

(01:54:19):
the Lee Boys here, John D. Lee, Jaffer Smith right,
he was a friend of JASEH. Smith, but then he
was the adopted son of bringing me on Leonard of
the early latter day Saint law of adoption doctrine. So
we can see that the cross over there and we
see that also he's involved in these false flag events. Again,
we could see the you know, kind of what we're
already talking about, right with these other society matters manifesting

(01:54:41):
here within, you know, the this this fucker. And he
was excommunicated and then in eighteen seventy seven he was
executed by firing squad, which they love to do out
there in You tell, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
They Sure they spill the blood upon the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
It's all about all about that blood, right yep.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Lot atonement. Although they'll say, Brigham, you can't prove that.
I'm like, he never ordered that, he never did that.
I'm like, okay, good, yeah, yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Sure, what uh what? What can you leave us with
here tonight? Man? Besides, for some folks that we're under,
we're not being a faction or factor of liberty.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
No problem. I will say this. I'm grateful that we
have the opportunity to be able to come together and speak. Still,
you know, there's a lot of places that don't. So
for that, I'm grateful. But the things that they do
to us in return for that is pretty heinous. You know,
We're never going to get to a point with people

(01:55:39):
that are high up you know, or billionaires or government people.
They're never going to care. I mean, right, they don't
care about you. Like it's like the funniest thing to
have to explain to people like you're liking aunt. You know,
they don't care when you kill the ant. It had
a family and it was getting food. And that's how

(01:56:02):
much they care about you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
So we see that in the Mountain medos mascer with
that damn Lee boy. So they merked about one hundred
and twenty one hundred and fifty women and children for
the purposes of presenting their own the means to the
ends of their own political gains, and then they took.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
And they wore them in front of their kids that
were totally traumatized.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Well, George Washington warned us of these events in seventeen
ninety six, and George Washington hated them. Lee boys.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
Yep, well, it's a very weird web. I'm glad you
brought that up because it ties completely into the templar.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Thing Lee boys, very string and those damn Clan Vance
fuckers again, right, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
Well, and my families know better. So and I do
like to say again I agree with Jacob it is
not the Mormon people. They do not even know about
this crazy stuff. Like if I went to a regular
Mormon on the street and we did like the microphone thing,
they would be like, are you okay? Do you need

(01:57:01):
your medicine? Like, because they would not know any of this, okay,
So they are not to blame. I don't have any
hateful feelings towards them. I actually feel bad for them,
and so that's kind of why I speak out. You know,
people say, hey, why don't you just give up and
go away? Thank you Christopher, just go away and shut up,

(01:57:24):
And I'm like, but if you were on a boat
and it was sinking, would you not go back and
save people? Because I would. I think I would until
I died. I think. I think That's who I am.
And so that's what I'm trying to do here. So
I'm not hateful. I'm not trying to be mean. But
if you guys want to check out my stuff, I
am brutally honest. I will say that. So Unfiltered Rise

(01:57:47):
podcast everywhere podcasts are served. If you check me out
on YouTube, you're going to be sorrily disappointed because they're
nuking people. So once a week maybe you will get
a drop here twice a week on Spotify if not more.
Also my Patreon extra over there and it's also available
through the Spotify thing as well, so check me out there.

(01:58:08):
JJ always wonderful. Thank you so much, Betty, I'm so
glad to have met you, and also Jacob so glad
to have met you and hoped to speak to you
very soon.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
So yes, yes, I made sure to follow you on X.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
So okay, I'll follow you back. Yes, let's do it.
That would be a great spooky season episode.

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Often the message all of us as well, DMS. We
can everyone here, but I'll put the links for your
alls in the show notes for the folks of the
innerwebs and folks checking out Unfiltered Rise. I'm a bit biased,
but I highly recommend any conversation between myself and Heidi.
There's some real barn burners.

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
And for everybody out there that watches me or has
anything to say, I appreciate you all. I read all
your comments, if you comment on Spotify or my email
or anything, I always try to get back to you.
So it might take me a minute because you've got
to go through them all, but you know, what I'm
in this to help people and talk to people. So
if you want to do that, you can reach out.
Thank you so.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
Much, yes, ma'am. We'll catch you next time, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
You guys fine, see you.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
I guess I could have helped her out and taking
her off the screen funny otherwise, right now, I always
enjoyed conversations with Haii. We are distant can folk there,
not only through that John fella. But you know, it
is again a case of a lot of Mormon families
are very much in a related and all of these
society families are in related again. Charlie Kirk is both
a Monroe and a Kirk, two different society families, and

(01:59:37):
those aren't his only ones there, so you know, And
and we've spoken a lot about the Mormon stuff. And
if you just have some more time, we'll be uh
for close from you're about forty five minutes. If that
sounds good.

Speaker 5 (01:59:48):
I'm actually gonna cut out now it's getting late for me.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
There you go, sir, say you're welcome to cut out
as well. And Jacob Jay you're also welcome to cut out.
I am going to force you to say if I'm
good to go hostage later. Everybody, thank you, Please provide
any plugs or closing.

Speaker 5 (02:00:03):
The Chattow Podcast. I'm on every pod slinger. There is YouTube.
Most of the time on YouTube unless I post something
that YouTube doesn't like. Just rare, but find me anywhere
you want to the Chatta Podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:00:18):
Join in the show notes and look so well, Jacob
remains only to versus JJ. What do you say?

Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
I say, you know, I don't even know at this point, man,
like which.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
JJ channel they want to move to. There's two JJ's here.
You can't move to both, right right, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:00:46):
Honestly, I'm really really tired of all the stiles. Dude,
you know, it's just relentless at this point.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
That's a good point though, And again I think a
lot of folks want to say it's black and white.
I do think there's numerous factions, numerous sy ops, yes,
sometimes simultaneously. For example, Q was different was I always
I like to say trust. I like to joke trust
the plan, you know, Michael Lokuine's buddy, General Paul Valley.

(02:01:16):
I like to make a lot of these jokes. So
but there was obviously to me, in my opinion, there's
obviously different factions operating at different times, different purposes for
this Q thing, and they were not agree in agreement.
They were you know, one faction overtaking their faction, using
their sy op, you know, you know, basically hijacking it
right right right. And and for example, you know, I

(02:01:36):
often joke JFK Junior is alive, but Q never said that.
In fact, you said opposite of that. It was perpetrated
in a different narrative by Q andon creators that JFK
Junior was alive, but that was never a message written
by Q. So we can even see just in that
the disinformation campaign just on that small slice.

Speaker 4 (02:01:53):
Of it, right well, and now we got the whole
other side of it, which is bluing on you know,
it's it's just yeah, fatigue, it's uh.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
It's one of my favorite comedy shows, sir. Yeah, yeah,
I mean the stuff they come up with is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
And I say that thinking, you know, again, not recognizing
that some of the Q s us ridiculous, but bluing
on stuffs off the reservation, I know.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
And I think it's funny because they they are like
the propagandized group, right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
I can say, right now it's financed by the same clowns, right,
the same muppets here, we got the same who were
the uhs? I just done, I've done, lost my one
of my brain holes. That there's a They financed most
of what you see in this blue and ONWN movement
or in any Democratic podcasts. They did a big Newsweek
article a couple months back saying that they had the bigger
podcast than Joe Rogan. Oh oh, I want to call

(02:02:53):
them the gold Steins, but I feel like that's just
too anti semitical, you know, talking about right there, they're
the ones whenever you see these major movements there's always
a PR company behind it, the marketing team. You remember
them's from the Desert Storm, maybe a little bit before
your time.

Speaker 4 (02:03:09):
Yes, yes, yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
The lady, the late the Kuwait nurse, as she claimed,
testified in the hollowed halls of the US Congress, saying
she was a nurse and Kuwait and watched the racky
army soldiers of Saddam Hussein spiked babies on the ground.
Not I can hear my brain right now, is Nancy
Gray saying dead babies? Dead babies? That ladies always saying
dead babies Nancy. At the root of it, that lady

(02:03:32):
was not a nurse in Kuwait. She was the niece
of the US the ambassador from Kuwait to the US,
of the Kuwaiti royal family. And there was a PR
agency behind all of it. Hill Knowlton, So it goes
without fail ever since then, I've just been ever since
I realized that, I just presume there's always a PR
company behind.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
It, right right, Well, it was just like the whole
Anthrax scare, you know that that was all PR led.

Speaker 2 (02:03:58):
For four years into this Tannic panic. I don't have
time for an Anthrox scare.

Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
Yeah, that's true. The Satanic panic definitely never ended.

Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
Yeah, how does that don't have a company behind it? Right?
I mean you can, you can Jedi mind trick, Satan
style mupping, Mikey Kino style as much as you want,
But that's what gets you so far.

Speaker 4 (02:04:18):
That that's true. That is true. I do find it
funny though, that the uh, because my my personal opinion
that the Satanic panic is what we know is just
flat out cover you know.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
Yeah, there you go, sir, Like your thoughts on that.
As a former member of the Church of Satan and
many uses his brain hole as God intended, not for
paper weight.

Speaker 4 (02:04:41):
Yeah, I mean, it's it is just a way to
kind of poison the well, you know, because there there
was a lot of Satanic crime and a lot of
Satanic murder, a lot of ritualistic murder going on at
that time, and it was a way to just lean
so far to that side of things that you know,

(02:05:04):
they they made the absurd ridiculous. I guess it was.
It was just making it seem so absurd that to
believe anything like that could happen. Then all of a sudden,
you're the crazy one, and it's like, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
You're right. And the propaganda's as I call them, the
Nazi Satanist propagandas they all read the Michael Akino Nazi
satan it's telemarketing script, the same talking points as recited
by a Keno and in verbally and written to, you know,
authors like Dave McGowan in an email he did in
two thousand and one and Dave McGowan published under Dialogue
with the Devil. You know, it's the same, it's the

(02:05:41):
same marketing script. And since a Keno is alleged death
at least, right, David and him and his buddy and
again it's his co author of SIPs of Mine more
general Paul Valley, who's been perpetrating the q and On
stuff on Fox News. He's on that Turning USA advisory
board and he, uh, you know, it's it's that that
should be something to say about that. Right there, we

(02:06:01):
see the propaganda's also, So we see that's one kind
of uh as I call him like a you can
call it a pillar in the Satanic panic. Another pillar
in there is the propagandist. Then another pillar is the
you know, they're they're the they're adding the QAnon Pizzagate
stuff to all of the panic. And we see the
same framework of their propaganda in ignoring the fact. So

(02:06:23):
everyone says like, oh, you believe in pizza Gate. You
think Comet Pizza has a basement. Well, yeah, Jack Assid
does have a basement. I know that because the actual owner,
that secret ross child fella. He's a ross child by
the way, James aliphontis he uh he said he had
a basement, right right. Well, and that is the nature
of the evolution of it. It's the same propaganda campaign,

(02:06:46):
just a couple you know, they just added add the
new ship right.

Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
Right, well in I mean they they kind of spun
it off onto the heavy metal side of things. You know.
They were just like, oh, it's just a bunch of
heavy metal and metal fan through and through right. And
the thing is is, like the the Satanic bands, they
don't hide it like you know, there there's a bunch

(02:07:13):
of black metal bands that love Satan and they do
not hide it at all. And I just find it funny,
you know, this, this whole idea of uh yeah, the
Parents Music Resource Center.

Speaker 2 (02:07:28):
Al Gore's wife that fell fight in Congress for him
saying that Satan's in your music. Right again, it's the
controlled opposition. This is that controlled opposition panic. This is
financed by Charles Manson's friends, the Beach Boys. They're the
ones who fun the process and Beach Boys, you know
what I mean, the other person that tells us that

(02:07:51):
Satan's in your music. And again they're not wrong. I
would argue that when you hear Jimmy Page wailing in
a led Zeppelin song and making a bunch of noises,
that's fucked up Crawley ritual you've subjected yourself to. You
said heavy metal, Well, the godfather of heavy metal as
we've seen recently. Upon his past everyone recognized as such
Ozzy Osborne devout curly when he died Jack.

Speaker 4 (02:08:17):
I will actually push back against that, good sir, there
we go. So his his song mister Crowley was actually
a slam to him, calling him a Charlotte pan.

Speaker 2 (02:08:28):
Yeah, that's because they think they're better wizards than the
other one. Right, so he would later go on, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:08:34):
Ozzy was was a devout Anglican though, is the issue
with that? So?

Speaker 2 (02:08:40):
Well?

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
Black Black Sabbath is not a genuine Satanic man? Now
led Zeppelin? Led Zeppelin? I mean, who was it Jimmy
Page that bought Alista Crowley's mansion house?

Speaker 2 (02:08:53):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:08:53):
Yes, right, and I actually believe that's why his son died.

Speaker 2 (02:08:57):
Each Boys not Satan worshipers or are you know ever fail?
Thank you much, go ahead, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:09:04):
Beach Boys not Satan worshippers.

Speaker 2 (02:09:06):
I mean, I understand what you're saying. I think I
like your brain, als that serve if I may push
back a little bit, so I only only quoting Ozzy
Osbourne when I say he was about Satan. I understand
what you're saying about the Curley song. I do think
you're right, You're spot on. And as you if you
read the words of Michael Akino and were any one
of these other jackasses, of these Nazi Satan wizard varieties,
they all think they're a better magician than the next.

(02:09:27):
So this is why we see so many offshoots of
so many of these thelemic organizations would be like gop
A lodge Typhony in order, Oto Scientology, process Church, Victorianism,
so on, and so you know what I mean. So
they all think they're better, better wizards than than the
other guys. So I think that is what what I
what I view is what that mister Curley song's about.
But you know when I said that jackass, Jack Pasobic,

(02:09:49):
mister Office of Navy Tellen, he posted on he was
posting on Twitter saying, twister, they're saying when Ozzy died
that Ozzie was, like you said, an Anglican Christian. And
I said, that's a that's a hot take. Here's Ozzie's
own word saying that he's a Satanist. And then he
thanked the devil for saving him from COVID. So I do,

(02:10:10):
I mean, I do, I do think that what we're
talking about, right, now is a great example of the
games that these folks play. So they do want folks
to get lost in semantics. So I'm sure Ozzy Osborne
intentionally would claim he's in England at one time and
then you know, tell the truth another time that he's
a fucking croleite, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:10:26):
Yeah, I just don't see anything to I don't and
that that's not to say that he was a great guy,
you know, because I mean he fucked over some people
with some royalties, Like, I mean, he fucked over some
people in the music industry.

Speaker 2 (02:10:40):
So that's his wife, his first wife. He left his
first wife for this current one, right, she's a real
real treat mind.

Speaker 4 (02:10:46):
Well, actually so his his first wife had like checked
out and she she was like gone. But then again,
at the at the time, I mean Ozzy was snorting
so much cocaine, you know, like he got fucked over
by the management. Well, Black Sabbath did their first four albums.

(02:11:09):
I believe it was all like their houses, their cars,
everything was in their manager's name, and so when they
came out on the other side of that, they basically
had no money and nothing. And so exactly what happened
with his first wife. I mean she she was the
one that ended up filing for divorce, so okay, and

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him and Sharon actually didn't meet, although Sharon's dad was
the manager of Ozsy after he left Black Sabbath. Now
Sharon's dad, I believe wholeheartedly that that man was evil
through and through. I mean he was in the he
was like in the core of everything. And Sharon, I

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don't know, I'm not gonna flat out say she's evil,
but she's I would say she's definitely not on the
good side of a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
Yeah, I just again, these are tails, you know. I mean,
I think we're you're well, you're identifying me right now.
It's some great tales in the future talking about these
matters satanic panic regarding.

Speaker 4 (02:12:20):
But there's there's different people to corroborate. This is the
is the issue. It's not just like them saying this
is what happened. So I like it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:27):
I like it. But we do see Ozzy picture here
in the eighty seven Araldo professional right right again, he's
representing the p m r C here right find of
you know Charles Manson's friends of the Beach Boys, you
know the Processians. If you will the Nazi Satanists. Uh,
he's saying, yeah, yeah, I'm not a Satanist. But again,

(02:12:49):
then again, I think that's part of the deception. In fact,
Michaelaquino and Anton LeVay and Michael Aquino's own autobiography there
that garbage. Uh, he says, their letter that he prints
in there in that book Church of satan Am biography,
their intent is to have people argue about semantics. Right,
So that well.

Speaker 4 (02:13:09):
That that's that's eighty seven right, So that would that
would have been that that would have been long after
he left Black Sabbath.

Speaker 2 (02:13:18):
Oh, no for sure, No, for sure. And again, you know,
I just think these are the games I do. Well. Again,
I'll build a stronger case in the future conversation with you, sir,
on why I think that is. But I try to
take facts for ther own words. He made numerous statements
later in life thanking the Dark Lord and et cetera,
et cetera.

Speaker 4 (02:13:33):
Right, sure, and so so did so did Slayer. But
they're also Catholics, So you know it's yeah, yeah, I mean,
so here's the Yeah, Tom Raa is a Catholic, all right,
So I.

Speaker 2 (02:13:46):
Don't know enough about him. I just I know they
do have a lot of Satanic imagery.

Speaker 4 (02:13:50):
Yeah yeah, But like I said, the Satanic bands are
not like hiding it is the thing. I mean, I
don't think that either.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
I mean, he's even getting celebrated here in a recent
article for helping kids subvert christanity.

Speaker 4 (02:14:06):
That's weird and when did that happen?

Speaker 2 (02:14:11):
Stem so, you know the process of Nazi Satanists sympathy
for the devil, right, you know. I mean, there's there's
more reasons why I think that. I just you know,
I like to try to take work. You know, again,
you can't always take them for their own words. You
got like you're saying, you got a giantpose it to
their actions, right.

Speaker 4 (02:14:26):
Right, And I mean there's a lot to say that
he wasn't. But here's what I understand is the people
who get used by the music industry, okay, and that
this is my understanding as a Satanist or former Satanist,
that people will get used when they're needed to be used, right,

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so they're not locked in always. This is why some
people actually lose their careers and never go away, because
then they're no longer useful to the story, which is
kind of weird. Why Charlie Sheen is coming back out
of fucking nowhere.

Speaker 2 (02:15:05):
I got some ideas on that, sir, but I think
you're I like your brain holds that because they were
They were done using this guy and one of the
pillars of propaganda in the Satana panic. This was the
fake evangelical guy, right, devicted kid didn't lurn right right.
He was never an ex Satan. He was saying this
entire time, it seems looking at his actions.

Speaker 4 (02:15:24):
So, I mean, here's the here's the interesting thing. So
Black Sabbath technically created heavy metal, heavy metal. All of
heavy metal is spawned from the diminished fifth chord.

Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:15:38):
The diminished fifth chord is actually part of a bunch
of satanic chords that you do not find in typical
classical music. And the reason why is because it was
thought that the diminished fifth would summon the devil. So
typically you will not define you, you will not find

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anything within within the diminished fifth chord. So their very
first song, Black Sabbath, their's titles song, is actually written
in the diminished fifth. Uh. You can actually see what's
called the Devil's tuning fork is actually the logo for

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Judas Priests. Another long time British heavy metal band that
came out around the same time.

Speaker 2 (02:16:27):
So there's some actual like science if you will, behind
some of the ideas.

Speaker 4 (02:16:32):
Yeah, there is.

Speaker 2 (02:16:34):
Interesting I did not know. I'm not a musician, sirs.
This is all very new to me, a new to me.

Speaker 4 (02:16:38):
I like to my my my other hobby is heavy
metal history. So that's that's where I get a lot
of this.

Speaker 2 (02:16:46):
Uh, we do see, we do see a lot of
occultism throughout all music, not just rock and roll. I mean,
you know, Garth Brooks is a serial killer apparently, and
we got to.

Speaker 4 (02:16:55):
See that that I actually kind of believe.

Speaker 2 (02:16:57):
I actually there's a lot of dark ship and country
music right right. And you know, speaking about smiley faced
killer victims, Riley's strain two years ago was last scene
at Growth Brooks Bar in Nashville. It was the second
he often gets blamed. You got thrown out of Luke
Bryan's bar. But at the moment he walked in, he
was stopped before that was Growth Brooks Bar so well.

Speaker 4 (02:17:20):
And you know when he bought his house just right
outside of Nashville, there was a bunch of people that
started disappearing.

Speaker 2 (02:17:27):
So I know, I've seen some of those numbers. Dude,
it is alarming. He brings us the question, what the
fuck's going on here? Really?

Speaker 4 (02:17:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:17:34):
And I find it kind of odd that Tom Segura
kind of brought that up as a joke and.

Speaker 2 (02:17:41):
We talked about warring Secret Society wizards again. Because here's
the deal. I would argue that Tom Sagura falls in
that kind of weird scenes profile.

Speaker 4 (02:17:50):
No, I was actually I was actually just gonna say
that is that. I think Tom Segura himself is amongst
some really spooky people.

Speaker 2 (02:17:58):
Got a lot of smiley face killer victims in Austin, Texas.

Speaker 4 (02:18:01):
Sir, Yes, sir, well that that could have been led
by a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (02:18:06):
Well, but it's a dearly onset, has a lot of
the Mothership invasion, if you will, of commedia.

Speaker 4 (02:18:10):
Yes, yes, And I found the name of that comedy
comedy club very interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
The Mothership's Nachan Allen Cargo cultis he's surrounded by them.
I'm not going to say he's processing. Some folks claim
he's the illegitimate son, the bastard child of Anton Levy.
He was hired as the entertainment for LaVey's grandson's wedding.

Speaker 4 (02:18:31):
Yeah, I did hear that. I did hear that well,
and I mean he is spooky. I mean, look, he
has Chet Baker on his show all the time, and
it seems like he has Chet Baker on his show
every time, like the narrative seems to be drifting away. Well,
Chet needs to kind of come in and reset things.

Speaker 2 (02:18:49):
I bring you know, you're making some great points, and
I bring things down on again GCD greatest comment the
nominator and he surrounds himself and and espouses the ideals
of the also as Church of the Final Judgment.

Speaker 4 (02:19:01):
Yeah, yeah, you were not wrong. Well, and he's pushed
a lot of mind control stuff too, you know, the
isolation chambers and psychedelic Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
Sir, there you go, brought to us by the Skull
and Bones folks there and the folks of the Council
form Relations, mushrooms and LSD. What a great time, yes, sir.
And I saw some comments about the Grateful Dead there
in Tipper Gore. Well, yeah, the Grateful Dead's is CIA
Tavistock operation.

Speaker 4 (02:19:27):
Yeah. Literally, the whole reason the band exists was to
just like disperse LSD.

Speaker 2 (02:19:32):
Mark at the LSD. Yes, sir, so the founder of
the Tavistock Alan Trist or Eric Tris. I was going
to mix up Alan, We'll go with Eric Eric Trist.
Alan Trist one of the two father and son one's
the founder of Tavistock. He writes the paper in nineteen
sixty three called Social Turbulence, which describes controlling society through
chaotic events of terror, operation Gladios style like we see

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with the Processed Church and their satanic serial killer friends.
And we see that trist invades America with the process
At the very same time he goes to UCLA, though,
and he sets up the early machinations for Lewis, Jolly
and West to then commuter a short time later for
the MKL for stuff. So there's an offshoot of Tavistock
MKL true post a lot of folks don't like to recognize.

(02:20:16):
And his son was the Grateful Dead Music Publishing Companies
president and best friend of Jerry Garcia. And again when
we're talking to cultism, they were the Warlocks before they
decided to read or least cite the Egyptian Book of
the Dead and call themselves the Grateful.

Speaker 4 (02:20:30):
Dead right, which also the manager of the Grateful Dead
ended up being Courtney Love's dad.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
And Harrison, Yes, yes, sir, who was his daddy? What
does he do, sir?

Speaker 4 (02:20:45):
His dad his dad? I've actually never looked into.

Speaker 2 (02:20:47):
So I will tell you right now why Hank Harrison
found himself in the CIA. Because he is of the
Virginia Harrison family, one of the founders, his forefathers, a
founding father of America.

Speaker 4 (02:20:58):
Jeez, they really are all connected, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (02:21:02):
I you know, I do say these things, and often
times in jess because I like the joke. But yeah, right,
and it.

Speaker 4 (02:21:12):
Jeez that I mean that doesn't surprise me. But I mean,
considering what he said about his daughter, supposedly she well
not supposedly, I would say it's pretty well established at
this point that she was the nineties version of Yoko Ono.
Uh And because Yoko actually came from an affluent family

(02:21:34):
to come and run LSD to John Lennon that it
was her and John her and uh oh. I can't
remember who else who got John back into doing LSD
after he had quit because he didn't want to do
it anymore, he didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:53):
And then Yoko, John and Yoko No the Indica Lounge
of the processed Church the Final Judgment and the London
owned by Peter ash Or, a man connected to the
Diddy scandal. He's a executive in music and the cousin
of the founding member of the Processed Church, Jane Ash

(02:22:13):
right regard, Jane Asher was his sister, Paul McCartney's girlfriend,
their first cousin. Asher recently passed away in canab Utah
as a founding member of the Processed Church of the
Final Judgment.

Speaker 4 (02:22:24):
Right, Yeah, she was the last one to pass away,
wasn't she.

Speaker 2 (02:22:28):
There's still a couple more alive. I think Gregory Castle
just passed.

Speaker 4 (02:22:31):
In may Well, meaning like she she was.

Speaker 2 (02:22:34):
She was a lot of more recent. Yes, yes, I
believe that the most recent. We got a few more
of those muppets alive and hopefully not well.

Speaker 4 (02:22:42):
But yeah, no kidding. So there there was a man
that very first the man that gave uh George Harrison
John Lennon, And it wasn't Paul mc cartney. I don't think.
I think it was Ringo because they were going to

(02:23:04):
meet up with Paul later that night. But it was
the very first time they tried LSD. He was one
of Sidney Gottlieb's friends and he went over to England
to pull in a lot of the rock stars to LSD.
Turns out he was also related to the Process. I

(02:23:24):
can't remember his name.

Speaker 2 (02:23:27):
Are you remember the name Bouvier and the Vickers Gun
Manufacturing Corporation?

Speaker 4 (02:23:33):
That name does sound familiar.

Speaker 2 (02:23:36):
So Anton LaVey's second wife wrote an autobiography for Anton.
I'm not sure how that works out, but she did. Blanche.
She cites these early members of the Church of Satan
in one of which being Anton's mentor, which was this
Bouvier fella who was the heir to the Vickers Gun
Manufacturing Corporation, and his wife was an Astor and she
was first cousins with Satan Draydon Aster, whose daughter was

(02:23:59):
a founder member of the Process Churchy. Wow, interesting these
fuckers all know each other, sir. And speaking of Joe
Rogan and his Processing active, is youre fammember Jeremy Corbell,
that ancient Alian cargo cultist who makes it up in Congress.
Before he was doing that, he was drawing weird photographs
of Sharon Tate or weird paintings of Sharon Tate, and

(02:24:22):
these weird art exhibitions sounds very yeah kidding I want
to watch him do it. It's fucking creepy, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:24:29):
Yeah, of course, Yeah, these these guys are way weird,
like dude.

Speaker 2 (02:24:37):
Making ship up, no kidding. Stephen green Street, the reporter
for New York Post. My apologies there, former Mormon, he
was a missionary, I believe, uh as well, he writes
a series on all these fuckers. He's ancient alien cargo
cult fuckers like George Nap and Jemmy Corbell and all
the ship they make up Skinwalker ranches, you know, the
all financed by the Rockefellers and the Melons. It's the

(02:25:00):
same old nonsense, right right, But yeah, dude, this is
some creepy ship dude. I recently discovered this looking at
the courtbells. He's got that same Anglo invasion Mormon pass
by the way, right.

Speaker 4 (02:25:14):
Well, and this is kind of what's frustrating to me
is a lot of these people, I mean just use
like the Mormon Church's cover because who's going to.

Speaker 2 (02:25:23):
Question a Mormon, you know, well like and I also
think there's a contingent though, and there's a British invasion
as a writ not America, right right right? Uh uh,
this is gonna be my painting. He's just throw at
other people's work, right, Yeah, that's what he was doing

(02:25:47):
before all the alien nonsense.

Speaker 4 (02:25:50):
Yeah, and I I agree with that comment. By the way,
all all the UFO and alien stuff, it's a total cover.
It's a total cover. I think it's it's used to
be able to explain a lot of people coming out
of the mind control stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:26:06):
Talking about Kurt, I don't disagree, sir. You were talking
about Cobaine. Did you know that somehow, some way, Robert
de Grahamston, founder the Processed Church, was able to publish
fifteen thousand copies of an op ed in New York Times,
somehow got him printed and distributed. Nixon outlives, Cobaine sales
a black flannel skyrocket Robert de Grimston special to New

(02:26:30):
York Times. Fifteen thousand copies of the New York Times
were printed before they caught the inclusion of this article
and had to stop the presss'p both to link here.
He doesn't blame the process. He blames every other cult, scientology,
the National Security Council. That's interesting, Bob, would Bob blame them? Interesting?

Speaker 3 (02:26:46):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:26:47):
No kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:26:48):
He's still alive and hopefully not well, living in Florida.

Speaker 4 (02:26:51):
Oh, I can't believe. I couldn't think of this name,
Robert Lashbrook.

Speaker 2 (02:26:56):
I don't know him.

Speaker 4 (02:26:57):
That's so by the by the mid nineteen sixties, the
CIA sent its MK Ultra deputy director Robert Lashbrook to
its London station. Lashbrook had at least two key assignments.
One was distributing Human Ecology Fund grants in England to
promote LSD. There researchers famed writer Ae Hotchner and a

(02:27:22):
longtime editor of Ernest Ernest Hemingway's books, said lash Brooks others.
Other assignment was to have undercover agents give LSD to
British musicians with and without their knowledge. So it was
it was actually a dentist who dosed the Beatles the
first time.

Speaker 2 (02:27:42):
You got Oh, dude, creepy fucking dentists. Do watch out
for lasers and dentists? Did I warned everybody last night
on my Thursday show, watch out for dentists and lasers.

Speaker 4 (02:27:51):
Yeah, it's it was a dentist who dosed the Beatles
for the very first time.

Speaker 2 (02:27:57):
Harley had believe only had a weird dental friend who
was a hypnotist and a navy man.

Speaker 4 (02:28:03):
Interesting naval intelligence.

Speaker 2 (02:28:07):
That I did not know this fella. I'll have to
read more about him, sir. I appreciate you bringing that
to my brain hole. Yeah, do you know this was
this was a result of the Rockefeller Commission looks like
seventy five post Church Committee.

Speaker 4 (02:28:18):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:28:19):
Do you know who's credited with bringing to light these
matters of the LSD experimentation during that Rockefeller Commission?

Speaker 3 (02:28:27):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:28:27):
There was actually a few different people. But who are
you thinking of?

Speaker 2 (02:28:31):
John K. Vance, the former Inspector General of the CIA.
I would argue he fucking buried it, but they kind
of celebrated us him bring it to light. And I
may add also, he's not my Vance. He is related.
He is related and descended from that Captain Samuel Vance
I was referring to before again with the Mormons.

Speaker 4 (02:28:50):
Interesting, right, well, And I mean that that would actually
make a lot of sense, because I mean the Church
Committee hearings was a complete and utter limited hangout.

Speaker 2 (02:29:02):
You know, it was Nelson Rockefeller, sir, right, right right.

Speaker 4 (02:29:07):
I mean it's just a way for them to be
able to say, yeah, yeah, you got us, but then
them to keep it going on underground.

Speaker 2 (02:29:15):
It's the same thing we see with the satanic panic,
they're gonna give you the controlled opposition. So we get
Nelson Rockefeller. By the way, is the Bill Colby operates under,
you know, Henry Kissinger, who's operating under Nelson Rockefeller. And
we see Nelson Rockefeller. He orders two Manson girls in
September seventy five. Apparently, I'm saying it's more. If you

(02:29:36):
want to look for the blame, look to Nelson. He'd
been trying to be president since nineteen forty seven, when
he was the US Army intelligence officer as signed to
the White House. Yep, no one. These are stories I
got from bureaucrats in DC when I was briefly a bureaucrat.
I was Lieutenant Colonel Savan, the equivalent at the Pentagon there,
you know, my my managing money years of my anyway, Uh,

(02:29:57):
you know the bureaucrats, some of them which took Kyley
selling telling me some stories. I heard some stories about
oil Nelson, and you know he always wanted to be president,
and sure shit, when he was suddenly the vice president
and elected, Gerald Ford almost gets murdered by two Manson
girls in September seventy five. Right then he fires everybody,
and that's the fires. Bill Coleby, he was a CIA director.
That's when we get George Bush.

Speaker 4 (02:30:19):
Interesting, I mean that makes a lot of sense. At
at the same time, before Nelson Rockefeller was vice president,
that's who Ted Bundy was actually in Florida as a delegate.

Speaker 2 (02:30:35):
For Yes, sir, he was the high up in the
nineteen sixty eight Washington State campaign. I believe of Nelson Rockefeller,
yes sir, because he was also the driver for the
lieutenant governor in the nineteen seventy election, a man who
would get appointed as a high ranking bureaucrat in five
Republican presidential commissions. That's how connected Ted Bundy was. And
I asked how did he get so connected? You know,

(02:30:57):
I would say, who was his daddy? What did he do?
And I argue his dadd He is our our channel's
favorite person. Bill Colby, you familiar with that one.

Speaker 4 (02:31:06):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (02:31:07):
No, we'll be not operating in a rocket for dude.
Are you lost your mind?

Speaker 3 (02:31:11):
Or?

Speaker 2 (02:31:11):
I appreciate your dedication of being wrong, sir. It certainly
keeps me alive and well here because I you know,
I couldn't pay someone to be this wrong. The uh, well,
so Ted Bundy is born to the mother bastard child
of mother in Burlington, Vermont, November of nineteen forty seven.
Right nineteen forty seven, uh, Bill Colby returns home from

(02:31:34):
his Project paper Clip first round draft. I offer Operation Overcast,
the first round draft of the Nazis and Project paper
Clip before it became Project paper Clip. He gets back
from that mission in December of nineteen forty six or
disregarded November of nineteen forty six. He started school at
Columbia Law School. His father is the ROTC commander at

(02:31:54):
University of Vermont and Burlington, a city of forty thousand
people at the time, and uh the same city where
nine months later, Ted Bundy's mother gives birth to a
child of an unknown father. And I would argue that
much like his father, both went to law school, and
then this would also provide context as to why Ted
Bundy was so powerful in politics, and also would provide

(02:32:17):
context to why one of the most prolific serial killers
is the biological son of the man who brought the
Phoenix program home Satanic serial killers?

Speaker 4 (02:32:26):
Right, which, so, what's is there a connection between Bill
Colby and Ted Bundy's first girlfriend, the one with the
affluent family in California.

Speaker 2 (02:32:38):
Challenge accepted, Sir, all I can tell you is I
can put Bill Colby likely in and around the town
of Burund, Vermont, where his parents lived while he was
attending law school. After you get back from World War two,
side and looking into these matters, Bill Colby graduated high
school with my grandfather in Burlington. That's strange. And he
was also a presumably part of project or part of
the OSS. He was O and I for sure that

(02:32:59):
much I do now, But that is so uh and
there was so when I guys in OSS, it was
army as well and navy as well as comprise that.
But and then I find out Bill Colby's third great
grandfather captain of the Massachusetts chapter of the Society of Cincinnati.
Right now, Bill Colby's eldest son Elders Colby, and he

(02:33:20):
had an eldest son, So I presume that eldest son
is the hereditary remember upon the passing of his father's
father still alive, Bill Colby's eldest son. So and man
that Colby is a major figure in politics. And he
used to live fucking cross the street from me in Washington,
d C.

Speaker 4 (02:33:36):
Interesting make this shit up.

Speaker 2 (02:33:38):
I don't know if he's following me, but I'm not
surpri I don't. I wouldn't following him, I know that much, right.

Speaker 4 (02:33:44):
I Mean, the the reason I ask about that girlfriend
is because that's when I believe that Ted Bundy really
turned into you know who he was is because there
there's a like a six month period when he spent
in California that he has like no recollection of he

(02:34:05):
went out there, or it wasn't six months, it might
have been like three or four months, but there's a
there's a whole period that he went out there. Her
family is tied to the Rockefellers.

Speaker 2 (02:34:19):
Or me, it's been a well since a look to that, dude,
But you're making some points that are ringing in my
brain hole at the moment. I think it is her.

Speaker 4 (02:34:26):
Her family was tied to the Rockefellers. I'm like ninety
percent sure on that. And she was the one that
like broke his heart, the one that got away, right.

Speaker 2 (02:34:36):
And so what you're describing is perhaps what you're describing, sir,
as some intentional trauma based mind control actions.

Speaker 4 (02:34:42):
Exactly because right after he went for that California visit
that he can't remember at all, which is indicative of
mind control, is when he got super popular in politics
and started climbing the ladder. And it's just really strange that,
you know, and that so they were together.

Speaker 2 (02:35:04):
This could provide context everything you just described as far
as how he got in that position, right.

Speaker 4 (02:35:08):
Which also I mean, how how the hell did he
get a job at a hospital counseling people with no degree,
no prior experience, you know, and then he was also
there at the hospital trying to steal records well from
a very well known MK ultra doctor.

Speaker 2 (02:35:26):
These are all great questions. Why did Thomas Eugene Creech
and suggested him? And I'm sorry Bundy suggested him. And
Eugene Creech the Church of Satan member early on in
sixty six Black House, Idaho prisoners still to this day,
the man who would do everything Edward Wayne Edwards would
do ten years after ed did. Right. In fact, they
were in the same Chili Coothy Federal Reformatory ten years apart,

(02:35:48):
right same place. Ed was there with Charles Manson and
Otis Toole, right, which all which.

Speaker 4 (02:35:53):
All ties into the five Pork or the four Pie cult.

Speaker 2 (02:35:57):
There you go, sir, so there's a lot of to
be said about a lot of these things. And again
I would not surprise me. Again, Bill Colby's very likely
in Burlington, Vermont at the same time Bunde markets pregnant.
And again, if I could find my picture here, sir,
I would show you. And on that note, and I
have one will close this thing out of here. I
got one more clip I'd like to show you here. Yeah,
and the double round of who is your We got

(02:36:19):
double round of a j Sears. I gotta have a
double round of who's your daddy? And what does he do?
You tell me who is your daddy?

Speaker 4 (02:36:28):
And what does she do?

Speaker 2 (02:36:47):
Do you want me to believe Jeffrey Epstein is a
leeged brother mark or biological brothers. He wants me to
believe he's six foot one, almost six foot two, one
hundred and ninety poe muscled man such as Jeffrey Epstein.
I'm hitting on the guy. I'm just saying on as
the season right again, I'm reading witness statements from his
original court case by his staff. He would work out
three hours a day, and again he looks pretty fit,

(02:37:09):
even in his elder age. I'm not I'm not convinced
that that Lieutenant commander Navy Seals uniform he wore the
Queen's party there, which was not a costume party, was
not an actual uniform because he wore the dress white.

Speaker 4 (02:37:21):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:37:21):
So, and on that note, I don't think he's Jewish.
He's six foot one almost six foot two one, ninety dude.
And that's allegedly his biological brother Mark. Right now, jeff
there had a wasp name I don't recall the exact
one off the top of my brain hole, under a
Saudi Arabian passport with a with a white Anglo Saxon name.
I might argue that's his actual name, and Jeffrey Epstein

(02:37:42):
is simply a cover.

Speaker 4 (02:37:44):
Right, I think Jeffrey Epstein is actually just a character.

Speaker 2 (02:37:49):
Just right there you go, sir, he's the worst walda.
I'llgo sitting around the world having photographed everybody.

Speaker 3 (02:37:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:37:55):
I'm not saying he's not a diddler. I mean, there's
some evidence obviously to substantiate those claims in there, so
obviously the networking as well. I'm not saying these things.
I'm just saying, like, there's a lot more to that tale.

Speaker 4 (02:38:06):
Oh yeah, there's a lot more there's a lot more
to a lot of these people, right, I mean, that's
kind of the whole point. These people are going to
be shielded from the public one way or another. And
if they are in the public by being photographed with everyone,
their true identity is most likely going to be hidden.

Speaker 2 (02:38:26):
Yeah, And what is the public to these folks? If
there if they have a different understanding of what is
their normal? Right, and we're getting propagandised through narratives, right,
we can only guess their normal what that is. We
don't exactly know, and I think we make some educated
guesses and such. What I'm saying is there's a different
reality they live under.

Speaker 4 (02:38:44):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's uh, I don't know. I mean,
these are the social engineers though, right. So, I mean,
while everyone's clamoring on about Jeffrey Epstein, which I think
is a good thing, like obvious we need to be
talking about this, but I mean, there is another Jeffrey

(02:39:05):
Epstein out there. You know, these things didn't stop and.

Speaker 2 (02:39:09):
So well, hours after Kirk was shot, right sir, Hours
hours later, the US Senate would then vote not to
release anything further on Jeffrey Epstein, right, right, Well, no
one was paying attention.

Speaker 4 (02:39:22):
Imagine that, Imagine they would not not waste a good crisis.

Speaker 2 (02:39:27):
This is what I mean by folks living in a
different reality than what's the propaganda is narative amongst public society.
No way, internally did this family do they think, what
do you Harold? What do he Harreldson? What do you Allen? Well,
speaking of, what do you Harrelson'll get to that in
a minute, Allen is And there's no way in the
family that they did not consider Frank's not for the
father of this child. Right, I don't buy it, right,
I have heard this. I don't buy that Arnold schwartzene

(02:39:49):
rate breakfast at his table with his maid every day
there and their bastard child they had together looking just
like Arnold more so than his actual Shriver kid does
not having that discussion? Hey, why does the Mexican kid
just look like looks just like that? Like no one's
having that discussion?

Speaker 3 (02:40:05):
Right? Or is that?

Speaker 2 (02:40:06):
Or is that accepted normal practice within that family? There
and these things get spilled out and then they get
sold to false narratives to the public about it, right,
you know, I you.

Speaker 4 (02:40:14):
Know, from what I understand, a lot of this is
probably just how it is within these families, you know,
it's it's a lot of a lot of secrecy, you know,
which makes a lot of sense because that's how they
treat everything.

Speaker 2 (02:40:29):
So so apparently, and this came out in recent years,
Woody Harrelson and Matthew mcconaugheyre brothers. They've known about it
for a long time.

Speaker 3 (02:40:35):
Really.

Speaker 2 (02:40:36):
Yeah. In fact, Matthew McConaughey's mother says she banged that
assassin fella instead. So what I'm saying is these folks
they admit they've known it internally to their families for
a long time. Right, And when you look at Rooster McConaughey, dude,
you can say like, oh, he looks more like a
Hareldson than anything else, right, right, So tell me that's

(02:40:59):
this is Athy mccaughe's elder brother bought the same Harrelson father,
Matthew mc mother And again even the mother recognized it.
And they've they've made public statements recently, but they've said
in those statements, including the mother, that they've known about
this for a long time.

Speaker 4 (02:41:14):
So that, I mean that leads a lot of credence
to the whole Billy Corgan and Bill birthing.

Speaker 2 (02:41:21):
Yes, sir, what does he do? Right?

Speaker 6 (02:41:24):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:41:26):
Damn?

Speaker 2 (02:41:26):
I mean you know this guy in the street. You
can see this guy is treat No, that's uh, that's
obviously a Harrelson right there, and he is right huh.

Speaker 4 (02:41:36):
Yeah, I've never seen him before. That's wild right right.

Speaker 2 (02:41:42):
Starting to see why I'd like to play this game
who's your daddy? And what does he do? Sir? Because
it seems to be relevant time after time? No kidding,
I'd fine. Oh well, here we go. I just about
to say, if I can, I'm a Bill Colby matchup
with his son Ted, Bill and Ted's murderous adventures. Will
I have to call this picture?

Speaker 3 (02:41:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:42:00):
Wow, yes, sir. Doesn't get much more striking resemble. Both
men went to law school. Both men murdered a lot
of folks.

Speaker 4 (02:42:09):
Talk about uh, you know Castro and Justin Trudeau. You know,
it's like these two are spitting image as well.

Speaker 2 (02:42:17):
Wow, you ain't kidding, sir, You ain't. I lost a
lot of sleep that night when I discovered this one
night in real world. Right, so they also discovered Bill
Colby graduated with my grandfather Vermont's My home Away is
my bootleg home stateorn A, Connecticut. But I spent every
summer of my life in Vermont. It's kind of my
fortress of solitude, if you will, right in my military career,
and uh, I'm doing a show on Sunday Israel Keys

(02:42:39):
the Satanic serial killers who Knew the Keyho Brothers who Knew.
Timothy McVay was part of that arian nation's compound. A
fundamentalist Mormon by childhood raisings, he would invade Operation Gladio style,
Bill Colby's queer style Satanic serial killers Phoenix Purgam come
home to provide their Operation Gladio style and fundamentally alter
the way folks live in the state of Vermont in
twenty eleven. Right, I've seen it.

Speaker 3 (02:43:03):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (02:43:05):
So all these theories of that are our channel who
might thoroughly enjoy their responses. And I couldn't pay for
someone to provide a better response. And you know, I
always say it's important to keep if you find someone
who's always wrong, sir, it's important to keep them around,
because that way you know where you're at in life.
It's a good you know, it's a good sandy check

(02:43:25):
if you will, right. Anyhow, you know these things that
Dave McGowan proposed twenty plus twenty five years years ago plus. Uh,
they seem relevant, they seem accurate, they seem spot on
when we start using the examples to prove the thesis.

Speaker 4 (02:43:41):
Right, Well, I mean it's it's the most logical.

Speaker 2 (02:43:47):
Yeah, right, trust your sense is what I tell folks.
I'm up at mikey Keo, have you believe is Jedi
mind trick? Because he was a Star Wars fan fiction author.

Speaker 4 (02:43:55):
Yes, right, well and you know that are you? Are
you telling me that Satanists are the only ones that
you know don't harm children and don't commit crime, like get.

Speaker 2 (02:44:15):
That eyebrows that would trust anything? He said?

Speaker 4 (02:44:17):
But yes, that is what they claim, right, And that's
that that's crazy to me. It's people in all sorts
of positions do all sorts of terrible things.

Speaker 2 (02:44:25):
So you can't tell me that you said that, sir,
because I don't want to diminish the Mormons. They did
a lot of good stuff for me about you. I
thank them for not dealing me during boy Scouts for
a lot of the conspiracy. They helped my conspiracy theory
world view, they very much.

Speaker 4 (02:44:38):
I am actually.

Speaker 2 (02:44:40):
Yeah, Well, good things to say about them as much
as I've talked about them. As we close out here,
I do want to focus there are other ancient aland
cargo cults and religions that wield an insurmountable amount of
power and do wacky looney tune ship So this wrror
right here, who's a muppet in Congress? She used to
be a stripper down Destined Beach's not exactly a nice
place to be a stripper, sir, but she Uh. She's

(02:45:02):
also the congressman for clear Water Beach Scientology xenu's headquarters
in Florida. And here she is with an ot high
ranking and scientologists right way. Interesting, she's at the forefront
of all this UFO disclosure, right and Pauline a Luna
in the former.

Speaker 4 (02:45:18):
Strip, which is complete bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:45:22):
Yeah, you know in America be strippers six years ago
and six years later you can be in Congress talking
to scientologists and tell them lies about ship.

Speaker 4 (02:45:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:45:32):
This is the This is America.

Speaker 4 (02:45:34):
This is an amazing country, no matter what I am,
but it is.

Speaker 2 (02:45:38):
An example of it. There is things that can be achieved.
We didn't have the nature of control propaganda on sciops.
We see the purpose of which is the obviously control
society and his social turbulence, Tavistock processed church type fashion,
and we see these things being perpetrated in terror through
troo keys, through other serial killers time as christ Ted Bundy,

(02:45:58):
you know Bill cole Son, Bill and Ted's Murder's adventure, right.

Speaker 3 (02:46:04):
That do that?

Speaker 4 (02:46:05):
That blows my mind? That is wild. I'm definitely gonna
have to look into that more.

Speaker 2 (02:46:10):
That's we will definitely discuss further in the future, Sir.
I would certainly like to get more of your thoughts
on the regards of satanic panic, satanism, and serial killers
all together, but we can uh call this when in
your survey you had any closing statements or any thoughts
or plugs you'd like to like to add.

Speaker 4 (02:46:26):
Yeah, I would just like to say thanks for having
me on again. This was definitely a lot of fun.
You know, there's a lot of there's a lot of
crazy things going on right now, and I think these
conversations with people who who at least have an idea
of what's going on. Uh, this is what's gonna help
break through a lot of that sy op which is

(02:46:49):
just a sy up upon sy op upon sy op
upon propaganda upon par and so these these conversations, I
think actually do help not only us, but they help
people that watch shows just like this to try and
hopefully make sense of some of this. And I think
that that's one of the most valuable things right now.

(02:47:10):
And honestly, I appreciate what you do, sir, and I
appreciate you having me on the best place.

Speaker 2 (02:47:17):
I can't agree with your statements more. I share those
same sentiments. And I thoroughly enjoyed again that anniversary show
on your Rise Liberty for your Yeah, yeah that was
that was asking to get a copy of that or
just maybe just getting myself off for your feed. I really, yeah,
I appreciate it. I really enjoyed that conversation, sir. I
do enjoy your insights and a lot of these topics.
We despite being former ex mos, despite also both being JJ's,

(02:47:41):
we from different generations, different backgrounds, and have a little
slightly different pend on things. And I think your your
take on Ozzy Osbourne is unique and interesting. I certainly
would like to further discuss those and many other matters,
and I'd like to also share with you my processed
Church Invasion of America anniversary card.

Speaker 3 (02:47:57):
Here.

Speaker 2 (02:47:57):
The process muppets in America. Yes, we just recently had
the forty or fifty eighth anniversary I believe it was,
so you.

Speaker 4 (02:48:05):
Know right right, yeah, any anytime. Like I said, I
I have a wealth of knowledge of heavy metal history
and uh and all sorts of stuff. So yes, yes,
actually that's it.

Speaker 2 (02:48:17):
There's something to be said about that with you know,
anyone can just go on the interwebs and see the
sound you stand or anything else. You know, So these
noises that are made in this music. When I say
it's not just the lyrics, you're onto something, I like
your brainal is that? Because that's the point I'm trying
to make. It's not just the overt and exoteric nature
of that music that's satanic music. I actually the noise
and product of the of the Yes, the with the

(02:48:40):
rhythm I guess right, because you got different rhythms and
versus you know, a couple of different factors in there.

Speaker 4 (02:48:45):
Well, and it's it's just like food, you know, like
that's a really you become what you eat and you
become what you listen to. This is this is why
I'm not a fan of rap music. But that's my
personal opinion.

Speaker 2 (02:48:58):
Well, you make a point I would. I don't listen
to a lot of contemporary music. In fact, one of
my favorite artists is Sam Cook. To make sure that
I'm a big fan of Sam Cook. Yeah, it's some
old rock and roll. You will before the age of
Horse and Tuesday Will to introduced us to all the
process of music. Right right, the music died, Buddy Holly,

(02:49:20):
the big bopper of that era.

Speaker 4 (02:49:21):
Right yeah, oldies, old these are great and I grew
up on the oldies all the day.

Speaker 2 (02:49:25):
The music Died is allegedly in salute from Don McLean
Dominic Clean number three, his third great grandfather, Lieutenant Colonel
MacLean of the New York Chapter of the Society the Cincinnati.
He was allegedly dating Tuesday Well at the time of
that song is one hit Wonder, and that salutes Tuesday
Well's alleged ritual sacrifice of the old rock and rollers

(02:49:47):
to bring in the new age of rock and roll,
whom she was all friends with. She sings on the
Beach Boys, they salute her in the in the Beatles,
they salute her in the Rolling Stones. And I think
one of my favorite bands, Lenyard Skynyrd, may have disrespected
Tuesday and that's why they're all much like Buddy Holly
and the big Bopper Richie Bounds, they all ended in
a fiery plane crush after surely after Tuesday's gone with

(02:50:09):
the wind, well, Leonard skinnern was gone with the fucking
plane crush, right.

Speaker 4 (02:50:14):
Right, Yeah, well, we'll definitely have to get into that
that that would be a fun conversation for sure, because yeah,
like I said, I have a bunch of knowledge about that,
and that was just something I've been into. You know,
music was always a big thing for me growing up.
So I think I held my first Judas Priest album
when I was probably nine years old.

Speaker 2 (02:50:33):
You know. So that's interesting, sir. I've never been into
that kind of music, So I'm certainly looking forward to
those conversations and learning learning more.

Speaker 4 (02:50:40):
About yeah, for sure. And uh yeah, the best place
to find me is anywhere Rise to Liberty. The most
active places I am is a Twitter or x also
Instagram and Telegram, just pretty much anywhere Rise to Liberty.
I'm actually in the process of switching over for from

(02:51:01):
a normal website. I'm switching everything over to my substack.

Speaker 2 (02:51:04):
So I just saw that I went to your website
and I was gonna bring up, but it's out a commission.
I didn't want to. I don't want to say that,
but now I see why.

Speaker 4 (02:51:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm working on switching everything over.
So sometime about probably this time next week, everything should
be up and rolling. But my substack is going to
be home base from now on. There's gonna be like
paid subscriptions and all sorts of like really fun stuff.
I do still have my merch up, which is Rise
Toeliberty dot store that that's still active. I've got some

(02:51:32):
new merch coming, some T shirt stickers trying to get
this Epstein Christmas ornament, but every time I put it up,
the store cancels it and knocks it down.

Speaker 2 (02:51:44):
A better way to say happy Holidays than an ornament
of Jeffrey Epstein or maybe even this Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 4 (02:51:49):
Right, well, it's it's pretty cool. I'll send you a
picture of the ornament and says this ornament didn't hang itself.

Speaker 2 (02:51:57):
Oh that's fantastic. I like that, man, that's great.

Speaker 4 (02:51:59):
Yeah. So but yeah, that's pretty much anywhere Rise to
Liberty and just keep a lookout for things on my substack.
There's going to be some really really cool shit coming.

Speaker 2 (02:52:10):
I will make sure I get that updated in the
show notes for folks to check out. And I do
think your time, sir. Appreciate the conversation, the discourse, and
I thank you for getting a little GCD here tonight.
Look forward to future conversations on a lot of these topics. Yes, sir,
we'll definitely be in contact if I can offer a
couple of quick plugs here from Operation GCD. We got
Operation GCD Sundays on Sunday nine to fifteen pm Eastern

(02:52:30):
Standard Times. That's a muppet Israel Keys. You know Timothy
McVay and the Ko Brothers friend, you know the more
than fundamentalist Nazi Satan, a serial killer that fundamentally changed
the way folks living Vermont. That'll be Sundays on Sunday.
And I got Saturdays from this past Sunday where I
was ill that muppet Judy Clark. You need to cover
up a false flag pair of politics federal case from

(02:52:52):
the Boston bomber to the UNI bomber called Judy Clark.
This muppet will take care of your business now, the
unibomber I did to show a few Sundays back, JJ
me not you, sir, JJ this one. Yeah, it means
the unibomber And I tell the tales of my understandings
every time of the unibomber case and the complete travesty
of justice that transpire there. We don't know who did it.
We definitely don't know that Ted did it. And this

(02:53:14):
muppet who Ted tried to fire and the court would
not let him. She helped perpetrate that. And then once
she defended the Boston bombers again. She keeps getting called
in for all these events. She tells the judge, my
client Zoe Carr SAR and I have is guilty, but
not for the reasons you say, he he is. That's
not a defense, that's not You should, by all definitions

(02:53:35):
of the terms of her oath of being a fucking
muppet attorney, she should be disbarred for that statement, right,
No kidding, You don't offend your client by opening the
statements saying, oh, my client's guilty.

Speaker 4 (02:53:47):
Right right?

Speaker 3 (02:53:49):
That?

Speaker 2 (02:53:49):
Yeah, that's insane, double j Jason Post, So I got
that kind up on, isn't it? Right? Said again, it's
the anatomy of the false flag cover up. Judy Clark,
the mupet. I'm gonna be unpacking her actions in regards
to these things and in regards to well real quick
and Wednesday's hearty level will be back for some of
those bond Alistair Crowley, Earnest Ernest Blowfield tales of the

(02:54:09):
Villains of Bond that Ian Fleming, the author says, is
on Nassis in Croley there so, But yeah, in regards
to these matters, dude, she goes said, the Boston bombing
one of the I'm sure you're familiar with Dave McGowan's work.
Fantastic work and coverage on that. I again, great, I'll
put a link to get Dave McGowan stuff here tonight's show,
and I'll do it for tomorrow's as well. But I
like to break things down to the greatest common denominator.

(02:54:31):
You can just go on the federal website, the Court's website,
pacer you'll find a amicist cure. I brief a friend
of the court for that silly Latin wonder speak, and
he wrote to the law professor. He read the he
read the Federal court case against sir, and I have
there and realized the FBI is presenting two different back

(02:54:52):
to one silver backpack and one black backpack, calling them
the same backpack, and entered both of them as evidence
in that case. And he wrote him and saying, hey, guys,
you can't say the guy blew up the backpack. He's
only in one picture, but it's a different color backpack
with the bomb in the inner picture. So again, this
is the muppet world we live in.

Speaker 4 (02:55:09):
It almost sounds like the story we're getting now with
Tyler Robinson.

Speaker 3 (02:55:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:55:14):
There you go, sir, you build the framework and it
becomes very apparent. So Zar and I are brothers. The
FBI went on TV and said, hey, look, we need
we have this picture of these guys in the wrong
backpack by the way, uh, saying we need help finding
these guys identifying these They knew who they were, they
had been paid FBI informance for years. And their uncle, sir,
and I have their paternal uncle was married to the

(02:55:35):
c I, a operations chief, and.

Speaker 4 (02:55:37):
Was probably so this this is this. No, I didn't
know that. That's that's why.

Speaker 2 (02:55:45):
I always want to say he was married to James
Jesus Engleton's daughter, but it's not it. It was it
was another operations chief there, sir, nay have I think
on one second continue, I am.

Speaker 4 (02:55:56):
So surprised that I'm surprised at this point, Like I
I hear these things, I learned these things, and I
just can't believe I'm surprised at this point. I should
just throw my arms up and be like, yeah, of
course that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:56:10):
You're you're using your brain hole story. You already said it.
It's it's the matters of he says, like Robinson, Right, well,
I mean it's the same framework.

Speaker 4 (02:56:17):
Right, exactly. I've heard this story before.

Speaker 2 (02:56:20):
You know, right, right, Russelyn Sarnaya, Right, He's married to
the operations chief O daughter he was probably c I himself.
Actually he lives and he lives in d c SO.
And then the older brother that allegedly gets murked by
his younger brother, even though we see him alive on
you know, with the police at handcuffing him. Uh So,

(02:56:42):
that story doesn't match up. He's married to the founder
of the Skull and Bones, granddaughter Russell. There. It is
Port Rhode Island. In fact, that's where she went to
go live with her surgeon father's house in the wake
of the incident. Catherine Russell I believes her name Sarnaya
and great second second or third great grandfather was the

(02:57:03):
founder of the sculling bounds.

Speaker 4 (02:57:05):
Right, of course.

Speaker 3 (02:57:06):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:57:08):
So these muppets all know each other.

Speaker 4 (02:57:10):
Fatigue man SiO fatigue.

Speaker 2 (02:57:13):
Yep, these muppets all know each other. And we see
we see the repeating patterns. George's ends everywhere. Right, he's
the forest Gump of false flag operations.

Speaker 4 (02:57:21):
Yes, sir, yeah, I mean he seems like a like
a Jack Ruby, you know, like that's just what it
seemed like to me.

Speaker 2 (02:57:28):
So well, if folks want to hear more about the Sura,
and I have case, it's something I have been studying
a long time and uh on that new folks can
check it out on Operation GCD Sundays disregard Sundays on
Saturdays here nine fifteen pm. And I'll ask you this one.
Did you know because you're a man who uses your brain,
ul sir, I respect that, and you are very well

(02:57:50):
versed in conspiracy culture. I was a little surprised, No
disrespect of course. Again, this is the nature of propaganda, right.
You know, I don't think that a lot of folks
know Rustling, sir, and I have with CIA their uncle, right, yeah,
you know, did you know this guy got merked. This
was the older brother's roommate. The FBI would go question
him for a few hours, and then suddenly he steals
the FBI guy's gun and shoots and shoot himself in

(02:58:11):
the head. Go fucker, Yes, yes, I did know that
he got married there he goes, so you are you
are a very sharp manswer. So there's a lot of
weird shit goes around there. He was also an informant
for the FBI. And then apparently the two FBI guy
shows up at his house was South Carolina or Florida
there shortly after the Boston bombing. Is the question for
a couple hours now, he just accidentally stole the FBI
guy's gun to shout himself in the head of during

(02:58:31):
the interrogation. Right the fuck out of here, dude, right
up at world? Is this dude?

Speaker 3 (02:58:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:58:39):
They think they're They think we're all stupid, you know,
like that's that's just how it is. They They really
do think we're all stupid.

Speaker 2 (02:58:46):
I think that's part of it. You get what you
get away with this tom foolery for so long, you
get a little egotistical. Then those people hire dumber and
to prave people to replace them and then we find
ourselves him up at World twenty twenty five. So that's
an accurate.

Speaker 4 (02:58:59):
Analysis, yes, sir. But hey, well, I want to thank
you again for having me on. This was always a
blast and I'm definitely to the.

Speaker 2 (02:59:07):
Next as a fellow JJ and a fellow ex Mormon
I and will welcome you back anytime, sir.

Speaker 4 (02:59:13):
Yes, sir, thank you so much, and folks of interwebs.

Speaker 2 (02:59:15):
Thank you all for joining us here tonight to go
little GCD.

Speaker 7 (02:59:19):
Well, that's it, that's the show here, folks.

Speaker 2 (02:59:22):
So the next time you're out on the town, visiting.

Speaker 7 (02:59:25):
Your local watering holes or perhaps just mandering around, and
you hear the unmistakable sounds of metal clanking and you
spot signs of a disturbance, check your six look in
that garbage can, because you never can tell the GCDs
may be loose in your town,

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