234. Revelations with Codega's Codex of Curiosities

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm awake, are you. I wonder how many miles I've fallen.
It seems I'll get to the center of the earth. Curious,
isn't it? And really nothing is quite impossible. Let's go
now to our new episode of the Unfiltered Rise with
me Height he love.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
But it is these members of the society I think
you're interesting. Heid He named them some matters of parapolitics
and are more modern era that you may not think
are necessarily relative to these topics of the Mormons in
the Society of the Cincinnati, which they seem to be
an offshoot. Joseph Smith's grandfather Smith served in the Massachusetts
Militia as a captain, would thus qualifying him for membership
in the hereditary knighthood that started America, the Society of

(00:44):
the Cincinnati, So that would have been passed down to
Joseph's father and then likely on to Joseph.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
And his grandfather's name was az A L. The kid
from the two people, because we got two Samuels, the
one that went to the witchcraft, the captain that JJ's talking.
Then it goes down to oz A L. And I'm
telling you, I just don't think a Christian would name
their kid that I just don't know the codex.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Now today I'm joined by Heidi Love and then later
on JJ Vance will be dropping in, and we're stepping
into a space that's rarely talked about, especially not like this.
We'll be exploring the darker, more hidden layers of the
Mormon Church, from spiritual manipulation to the kind of personal
and generational wounds that don't always get discussed in polite company.

(01:33):
This isn't a hit piece, it's not a theological debate,
and we're not here to argue dogma. We're here to listen,
to question, and to follow the threads wherever they lead.
Heidi and JJ are bringing their lived experiences, their insights,
and their willingness to speak about the things many people

(01:55):
are just too afraid to whisper. Now will go so
deep on the rabbit hole that you'll think we came
up to the other side. We'll trace bloodlines, discuss occult magic,
and even necromancy. Yeah, it all thunder falls under this
one title. So now we don't know exactly what will

(02:15):
come up. This is one of those conversations where the
truth reveals itself in real time. So I want you
guys to keep up with us. Keep your mind open,
because once you pull back the veil, there's no unseen
what's behind it? All right, let's step in the shadows together,

(02:35):
all right, everyone, Let's welcome Heidi Love to Codega's Codex
of Curiosities. Heidi, welcome to the show. And why don't
you tell my listeners and viewers a little bit about
yourself and where they can find you.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Absolutely, I'm happy to be here. I'm glad we finally connected.
We've been in the community and like danced around each other,
but we finally met and through JJ vance shout out JJ,
and it was great.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
And sorry hopefully to interrupt you. Hopefully JJ's going to
join us a little bit later here. He's just fallen
a little bit behind.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
We told him to get over here, that's what. And
he's supposed to head over this way. But luckily we
got to do a different show together, and then we
met that way, and then we were on another show together.
So now we kind of done this and now we're
actually here, and I thought, Wow, who better to speak
to about some of this weird Mormon stuff? Because I
am Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise, And for those

(03:27):
that don't know me. I'm an ex Mormon, and I
speak out living in Utah because I like to not
feel safe in my home. No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
I have a great security system, right right.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
He's very big and he almost weighs one thirty. He's
very cute and fluffy, but not if you break in
my house, that's my security system. So and if you
do want to find me, I'm everwhere podcasts are served.
I do have my own website, I'm filtered ricepodcast dot
com and everything streams to there as well. And for
my audience, because this is a collaboration, would you let
me know all all about you and where to find you?

Speaker 4 (04:02):
All right? So, I'm right. The host of codegis Codex
of Curiosities. It's a great alliteration. It's a bit of
a mouthful, but some people have an issue with it.
I don't, of course, But my show is a little
bit about everything, you know. I delve into mysteries, lost history, cryptids,
paranormal abductions, black budget, things that are off the record,

(04:26):
such as mormonisms, which is something that is completely new
to me. And of course I can be found on YouTube, Rumble, Apple, Spotify, Facebook,
social media, you name it. Yeah, for myself, you know,
I'm just going to jump right into the Mormons here
right now. My knowledge of the Mormons are white shirt,

(04:47):
black pants, black tie with a little name tag, walking
around with a Bible, and of course a.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Backpack and a bike. Right.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Oh, I guess some of them have bikes here. I
see them here all the time, but I don't see
the bikes, you know. That's that's my only knowledge of them.
I know that the big Mecca is in Salt Lake
City in Utah, but I've never really jumped into anything
other than just that or seeing their advertisements. When I

(05:15):
was growing up on TV, they had these advertisements on
TV all the time, but that was it. Now I
listened to an episode of You on the Confessionals with
Tony and I was like, what is going on? What
is being hidden from us here? We are?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yes, definitely very strange religion that most people think, well,
they're the nicest people ever, you know. And I'm like, Okay,
well that is not untrue. And for those that don't
know my work and they think, oh, she's just bashing
the Mormon Church, listen, I was one. I'm a pioneer
heritage Mormon. Somebody it labeled me Mormon royalty on there,

(05:57):
which was funny. But I was royal he blood that
was a Mormon, right, Like, it's not the same thing.
It wasn't because there were royal Mormons, but I guess
there were, which was a weird thing because I think
they hid them. But that's fine, different story for a
different day. I am a Mari of Ingian bloodline up
on my bloodlines and as well as right now currently

(06:22):
the King of England is my eighth great grandfather and
the house of Stewart House Suburban these are my family members.
And why is that not to brag on this at all?
Questioning everything as why is a poor farmer in Utah
that good points right? And so that's kind of led
me down some weird different directions. Me and JJ have

(06:43):
done a bunch of bloodline shows on this, and I
think they're really important, and people miss the facts of
what Mormonism was or what Mormonism is at its core
because the people are so nice. Well, so are Jehovah's witnesses,
so are a lot of Muslim people. Like, let's be honest,
there's a lot of people with really good you know, Morals, values, Catholics,

(07:09):
all of these people that maybe you know they still
are a Babylonian magic religion, right, So it gets in
the weeds. And so I kind of am here to
expose that on accident. I never wanted my faith to
be what it is. It sucks because luckily, I feel
I am very lucky that I was able to keep

(07:30):
my christ centered life even though I left Mormonism. Most
people become atheists, and that's just a fact because they
feel so betrayed. And if this isn't real, then nothing
is real, right, And I get it, like it is
a lie, and it harms you to your very core.
Either you're all the way in and it's a cult.
This is why. Either you're all the way in or

(07:53):
if you have questions, you're on the outs, you know,
and there's no in between. Really, I mean they'll play
like there is, like, oh you have a question, Jenny,
well come here and let me talk to you about it,
and you're wrong and get yourself right. So and they're nice. Look,
I'm not saying my grandma was nice. My grandma was

(08:13):
a true blue TBM, true blue Mormon. And so we
have all these things where it doesn't connect with the
mind right, And so people have a hard acceptance of
this dichotomy. They're like, you are speaking trash.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
And so I would say I would have been one
of those kind of from the outside saying no, no,
they're great. They smile, they wave, they're friendly all the
time when I see them on the street or in
the park.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, those people are yeah, because and this is what
I have to relate it to. And for those that
might take offense to this, I'm sorry, but this is
the only analogy I can give. There are Masons and
then there are porch Masons. We both know that that's
not the same thing. And we both know that at
those high upper echelons there are very important people calling

(08:57):
shots for very important things, and they're not in with
the dinner porch Masons. Really they're not. They don't care,
and they don't care either vice versa. The dinner guys
want to be left alone. They just want to go
to dinner and live their life and do charity right
like please. And so it's a hard dichotomy because you see,
like Mason's do a lot of charity. Masons do a

(09:19):
lot of good things too, And then you're like wait,
they're satan Is at the top. What is happening here?
And people start talking stuff and you hear these weird things, right,
and people also say that strange. I'm like, Satanist is
a weird word there. But you know, they believe in
some different things at the top. Let's be honest, it's
like xenu scientology. They're not the nicest people ever, so

(09:41):
they're easier to hate on, right because look at Tom Cruise.
I mean, he's nice, but he abandoned his daughter, Like
come on now, you know? Yeah? Yeah, And so I
mean at the top, like I said, it's a different ballgame,
and it was designed to be you're not supposed to
know everything when you're just porch Mason, and you're not

(10:01):
supposed to know everything when you're a porch Mormon either,
So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
That makes great sense, you know, just compartmentalization where it's
kind of like we'll keep these people here and those
people here. But it's that top echelon that that like
the thirty third degree Masons, you know, those are the
ones that are up there who know the true secrets.
I know some thirty second degree Masons that nice aren't nice,

(10:26):
they're nice they're great. Yeah, they're very formative as well.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
And you can't fault them for what I guess. I mean,
I guess you can fault them if they are in
the know and maybe they didn't whistle blow. But let's
be honest. Even in the government or anything that's not comfortable,
Like most people don't want to leave their comfortable setting.
Most people don't want to be hated by all their
neighbors and not let the kids play with your kids

(10:51):
because you're the anti Mormon in the you know, you're
the heretic in the neighborhood. So like it's just it's
not a comfortable place to be. But I was led
to this literally by God, no other explanation. One day
I told God, I would do anything. You gotta be
careful when you pray this prayer right, And I was like, God,

(11:12):
like help me. I'm super sad. I was going through
some things and I was like, I'll do anything. And
I kept having this feeling like you should do a podcast,
and I'm like, listen, God, I know you said that,
and I think I'm hearing things because that can't be
right because I only have four people that know me,
and three do not like me. Who do you want
me to talk to? Like I'm the loudmouth lady that

(11:34):
rubs people. Either you love me or you just don't
like me. There's only two ways it goes, you know,
because I just sim off the cuff. I didn't learn.
That's why I'm unfiltered, because I don't mean to do that.
My husband even says, like, your ADHD causes you great
harm sometimes because you don't have a knowledge of when

(11:55):
to stop that, you know, and I don't.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, so it happens. So can we start from the beginning, then,
how did you get into Mormonism? And like what and
where did you? What did you find out? Work became
a point where you just thought it's just something's not
right there.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
There was multiple points of me breaking my shelf. If
you ever meet a Mormon and they come out of
the church, they'll talk about breaking their shelf. And that
just basically means like how many books can I stack
on the shelf before it breaks because I found out
this book says it's not true, and this book says
it's not true, and this book says it's not true.
So at some point, right it's going to get super
heavy and then your shelf breaks, and that's kind of

(12:37):
what is a XMO. I'm an exmo ximo term. The
exmos talk about the shelf breaking. And I didn't have
a fantastic story. Honestly, I kind of stop being active.
I wasn't doing anything bad. I just wasn't going. And
you know, I was going. I was sick. I had cancer,

(12:58):
Like I was sick, you know, And so I was
going through that whole thing. And then you know, it
kind of became you know when you said, you take
a break from something and you come back and it's
not always the same, you know, And I took so
this break happened and I didn't fully come back, and
then I was like doom scrolling like crazy because you're
sick in a bed. I'm just like, what purse is

(13:21):
the most awesome perse ever? Like and I joke about it,
but I was like the most normal normy ever. Like
if you'd have met me in twenty fifteen, you'd have laughed,
you'd have been like, this girl's clueless.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
You know, I was there too, I really was. I
was like, it's kind of funny when I go back
to my Facebook memories and I see those gym yeah,
I see some of those posts. I'm like, oh my god, Ry,
what were you thinking? What were you thinking? You know,
there are some things that I was questioning, like like
nine to eleven was my door opening to things that

(13:56):
are right, But for most part I was still buying
most of it. Everything else.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
The vid. The vid was my big breaking point because
twenty twenty changed everything for me, not just because my
mom was smart. You know, my mom is a Stevens
minister for her church and it's a non denominational Christian church.
And you asked when I got in, Well, I was
born in my family's Mormons, as far back as you
can go, clear back to Henry Stewart Talbot. That's supposedly

(14:25):
the illegitimate son of the King of England, right, and
so that's a fun story. But he, somehow, for I
don't know what reason, I'm still on that trail, ends
up as a poor farmer in Utah, which doesn't make
any damn sense at all. I don't care what they say.
And I think that this goes in with you know,

(14:45):
bloodlines and families hiding out in plain sight here in America,
because you know they were doing that. I'm not the
only one. I'm not special. You know, there's a lot
of people here and they hid their bloodlines. Here's what
I think the DNA grab was with all these DNA tests.
I mean, and do I think that it is royal

(15:06):
blood they're concerned with or do I think there's something else? Well,
there's a lot of podcasts right now. Me and JJ
started on bloodlines. We have quite a few. There's an
amazing series with Free the Rabbits Joel Thomas. He speaks
about Rex dais Wow. I mean, he did an amazing job.
I'm going to have to follow through and do I

(15:28):
was going down that extension road, but I don't want
to do it right now because he's finishing up and
I'm going to let him do his things. So, but
it's amazing for people like you need to see what
actually led into the building blocks of America to understand
what the hell happened here, you know, And was it
really freedom of religion or was it a freedom to

(15:49):
practice something that formed America? Because I dare say it's
a lot more than religion. I feel like it was
some what wasn't what wasn't popular, and what were they
doing to people practicing something in England about that time,
like in France and everywhere, they were burning people for it.
John d he was scared to death, right, Like, let's

(16:12):
be honest. These things alchemists, which is free thinkers, the
cultest spiritualists, you want to name the name. But then
they had to be like you can come too to
like the Christian weirdos too, But then there's Christian mysticism,
and there's all these things. And I always tell people,
do whatever you want to do. That's totally fine. If
you want to be a Mormon, be a Mormon. But

(16:32):
here's why I speak out. They lie, they lie, and
they use people. So if you ever really want to
piss a woman off, lie to her and then use
her and see what happens. She'll come for you, right,
that's what happens. And guys are always like, holy crap,
what happened there? Well, this is the Mormon Church's holy crap, because.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
I don't like, what are those lies? What are those
lies then that they brought.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
So at the very top of the top, there's two
things you have to know. There was a reformation of
the church. So Brigham Young's church is not Joseph Smith's church.
And that is just so important for everybody to know.
Joseph Smith's church is a mystical magical if you want
to call it a religion. I say he's a practitioner.

(17:17):
I say like recognizes like. And Curley knew exactly what
Joseph Smith was, which was a moonchild, and people should
read that book and his references about Joseph Smith. It's
very interesting. I've done like a whole comparison. It's on
my show with Curly and I just think that these things,
you know, got labeled folk magic. We're going to go there.

(17:39):
So first of all, Joseph Smith's a dumb farmboy that
knows nothing, and he's practicing something that everybody's doing. Ry,
everybody's doing it. Don't worry about it. It's just folk magic. Okay.
So that's pretty innocuous, you know, that doesn't sound malicious
or crazy too bad. But then you get into the artifacts,
and I so love that somebody wouldn't sell their artifacts.

(18:02):
Whoever owns the Joseph Smith parchments, the Smith family magical relics,
and also there at Tomb or Mars Dagger as it
is called in the Mormon Church. Whoever owns these artifacts. Hell, yes,
you are amazing because you never sold out and you
never let them put them in the archives, which the

(18:22):
LDS Church has in tunnels underneath the temple, just like Rome,
Just like Rome. So these things. They also say he
grew up in the burnedover district near Palmyra. And here's
the thing he didn't. His family was from tops Filled, Massachusetts,
near Salem, and his great great grandpa was involved in

(18:45):
the inquisition and had Mary Easty burned at the no hung,
hung at the stake, hung at the steak, and he
accused her of witchcraft. Now what do we know about
the Salem witch trials and the accusers they're in right,
methinks she protests too much? Right? We find this out later, Yeah,
that a lot of these people were practitioners, and that

(19:05):
they were probably threatened in one way or another by somebody.
So they point the finger first, and she, being a
woman keeping a man, she hung for it. And it's
actually really interesting because on the day that she hung
for it, September twenty second, is one hundred and thirty
two days later the day that they say that Joseph
Smith got the plates from the Maronni angel on the

(19:28):
very day. And they also say that Mary East's ghost
has been seen back to this earth. Don't know about that,
but you guys can look that up on Salem witchcraft projects.
It's all over the place. I will be having a
fun fall episode hopefully with this guy that does Salem
witchcraft books and stuff, and he's going to come on,
I hope and talk about this. So it's going to

(19:50):
be an interesting ride. But these people are practitioners, and
they their parchments clearly say I am practicing Solomonic and
and Okian magic. That is not Wolk magic. That is
real serious. And your eyes got big, yeah, because you know,
you know you saw like that. That is not a
magic system to be taken lightly in any way, shape

(20:12):
or form. No, Nope. And so we all know the
very sad demise of John d We all know you
know that these things come with a cost, and I
do believe you know that cost came to Joseph Smith
as well. He did die with a Jupiter talisman in
his pocket, manufactured straight from the magus. And I have

(20:33):
pictures of that. Episode one seventy two is a great
one for anybody. If you want the slides for me
to prove this, you got it. I never not bring
slides because of the fact that a picture speaks a
thousand words.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
They also had a necromancy materials such as death canes.
They dug up the prophet and his brother in the
decrepit gross coffins that they were decomp and took the
wood from that and made canes for all the future
prophets and put their hair in the knobs. I want
people to remember, wands are not always wands. Sometimes they're

(21:12):
a staff. So be aware when people have knes what
exactly is going on here? Right? Very interesting and the
reason why Joseph Smith, when he died, Brigham Young took
over was because people said there was a transformation that
happened to him, a transfiguration that happened to Brigham Young

(21:34):
in the midst of the crowd this day, that he
actually turned into Joseph Smith himself. Now, I don't know
what the hell is going on with that, but I
do know that angels are not dead guys, And I
do know that angels were never alive on the earth.
We know this, You know, angels are not that we
are not angels. And Maroni was a man that once

(21:55):
lived on this earth. So what are we talking about
Are we talking about nekrama here? Are we talking about
speaking to spirits? You know? Another fun thing you have
to look at is Martinists. Martinism is a very old
practicing order of free Masonry, much older than Scottish write,
which had only really been organized at that point in

(22:18):
time for about fifty years here in America, like anywhere,
and it got here to America and got established all
within fifty years. Okay, No, I think he was a Martinist.
Martinist twice a year on the spring equinox and the
fall equinox can go out and summon things to speak
to them. And this is a known they're known practicing.

(22:41):
They're still around today. This is like the dark the
dark arts of a you know, mystery religion type masonry.
This isn't just talk about things and so you know,
and actually Ike Baker says he's a Martinist. FYI, yeah, no,
I'm not out to him. He's had that on his sho.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
So these people still are around and magically practicing. Does
that mean he's a bad guy? Know? You know, you
have to listen to the whole thing. Do I even
think that people that practice magic or bad people. It's you,
it's your funeral. All I know is when people mess
with the outer realms, you're gonna have some price to pay.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
You're inviting some stuff in. Yeah, that there is a
price to pay. Yes, well, And we.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
See it time and time again with You've got John d.
He also had a stone or crystal ball right given
to him by an angel.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
We know that.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
And we also know that he used ascribing maror as well.
That was obsidian. And what did he do. He spoke
to the angels right and wrote it down and it
became what It became a movement of many religions, including
templars and everything that spawns from this. This turns into
many things. We have Crowley who goes and sees a
wass and he writes everything down. It becomes the Book

(24:00):
of the Law, and it becomes what the Oto and
Salima like. These things become books that become religions. We've
got el Ron, Hubbard and Parsons out in the desert
and they talk to things and they write it down
and it becomes scientology. We've got Mohammed and we write
it down. And I mean, this is just on and
on and on and on and on and every single

(24:21):
time it's charged by what sex? Sex, because yeah, that
then Mormons have polygamy, Muslims have polygamy. Chrole and Parsons
were already doing some weird stuff we already know out
in the desert. They were charging up their own stuff.
They weren't waiting around. Crowley's first encounter with Awas too

(24:41):
was on his honeymoon, so that was probably very sexually charged.
You know, John d the wife swapping, we go on
and on and on and on and on. It's never benevolent.
I mean, come on, God wouldn't be like, yeah, let's
swap that wife. You know, No, no, no, no. And
so when we talk talk about these things, it's it's

(25:01):
not that I don't think they're wrong. I think it's
wrong what they do because all these people like me,
like I once was, believe that these ordinances and things
that we do in the temple are all about going
to heaven, and they're not. They're Masonic. And I didn't
know what a mason was. As dumb as that sounds,

(25:22):
I didn't even know what that was. I didn't know
what a free mason was.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
And can you hold on one course, sorry, hold on
how do you hold on one second. We're going to
bring JJ. We're going to bring JJ on into this conversation.
So JJ, welcome to Codega's Codex of Curiosities. Glad to
have you in and on. You know, we're just going
to do a quick little thing here. JJ, tell us

(25:46):
a little bit about yourself and where everyone can find well.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Roy see the answer, Hi, do you always gret to
see you? Ma'am h. Apparently I'll be apologized for my tardiness.
Apparently I'll be late to my own funeral. But I
mixed up the time zones here and I do apologize.
But glad I glad I could make it back here
in time to join NOLL. JJ vance host of Operation
GCD and not the vice president and now former Mormon

(26:11):
much like Heidi, and in twenty two years myself there,
I just surpassed the point where I've spent more than
half my life outside of the church.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Congratulations, that's something to be proud of. Yeah, we're just
going into the details about about sex, magic everything. Now.
I was gonna something I was gonna say, Heidi, when
you were talking about about working with the outer outer realms,
it kind of reminds me of alchemy where nothing Humankind

(26:42):
cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To
attain something of equal value must be lost. And that's
the equivalent exchange, you know. And that's when you're talking
about this magic working without realms. There is this exchange.
You have to give something up, you know, which which
can lead you into so many other topics. But let's

(27:03):
just keep keep going, Heidi, and JJ you can kick in,
oh whatever, you get up to speed here.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I like writ necromanc. You know, alchemy magic. Yeahamy is
rooted in wine. To have multiple wives, you probably not
just the as I do, sir. I mean that's a
lot to handle, having six or seven wives, having one
wife a lot to handle for me. Man, So it
sounds terrible, Hei, do he agrees, right? Man?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yes, I would never have it's more than any one
of any of them, but especially not women.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well I was gonna say, and then from the women's perspective,
you got you know, you're competing with six other wives
or whatever. Right, so for the same guy. But it's
not just polygamy, That's what I'm saying. It is the
sex magic. These things are rooted in.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yes, absolutely, it charges it. You know if people don't
understand about magic, They're never going to understand about Mormonism
because you know, you can read crazy books like The
Brotherhood of Saturn, like sat Turna's Frat Turnie. You really
want a page turner, make sure you have a new
copy because you don't want to used one. Anyways. They

(28:10):
charge their sigils up behind the paper saying yeah, yeah,
you don't want it. And so here's the thing. You know,
at the beginning of time, we know one thing, no
matter what it is, if it's not inside the God realm,
then it can't be created. And what is our bodily fluids? Right,
it's creation. It's creation, whether it is creating a human

(28:32):
or not. It could be man on man, woman on woman.
It doesn't matter people on children, which we already know.
It's just bad. Right. We see this time and time
time and time again. And I'm like, okay, you know,
here's the part where Heidi said, I'm gonna say something
because see something, say something. This isn't right. First of all,

(28:52):
now the Mormons aren't oppressing women anymore and doing polygamy,
and not that all of them were oppressed, some of
them freaking liked it. And that's whatever to them. Hey,
whatever people want to do, if they know and have
a full knowledge of it, knock your socks off. I
don't care what you do at your house, you know.
But these rituals that they have us do, we never
know why we do them, and we never really get

(29:13):
explained why, and we're very confused, and then we're traumatized.
And so instead of going through these magical things through
drugs like Crowley and all these other people, right into
this realm of like the ego death and all this stuff.
You know that we are talking about the dark night
of the soul. Okay, we'll just put it that way.
When we have these things happen to us with a

(29:34):
chemical or a liquid or whatever it is, right, that's
a big difference than having your mind freaking broken in
the middle of something that you don't know what's happening
because you've been so sheltered your whole life, and then
all of a sudden it went from like total vanilla
ice cream to like everything on top, and you're just confused.

(29:54):
And I'm not saying they do anything creepy in there,
like sex stuff or nothing. I'm just saying it's a
lot to handle. When you start seeing like what are
we doing? Like why are we doing this? What is
happening here? Why are we chanting? Why are we putting
our arms to the square and going in a circle
and chanting like druids? Like please explain? And you know
it's weird, and no one will talk about it. JJ

(30:16):
knowles as well as I do. Like JJ kept quiet
for his mom, you know, and and for many years
he didn't say anything. Yeah, but he was traumatized.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
You know. Yeah. I mean we had the context of
these activities which they don't give you. You know what
I mean that you're you're left to these things. So
I did. I got all priesthoods that the men get
in the church from age thirteen, fifteen and eighteen, I
believe this went to seminary. So I did all those
things I was prepared to, you know, I had folks,
my mother's preparing me to go on a mission and

(30:46):
go to Byu. But I had other plans. I went
to Warre instead. Anyhow, she was against all that, by
the way, So yeah, so she Uh, many Mormons are
despite that. You find a lot of them in the
military and in all the intelligence agencies. They are oftentimes
you know, rather hippie like in their views of combat more.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Absolutely, and so sorry, what is this to the square.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It's the whole thing. I mean, I can show you
if you if you want, if we want to do
the other stuff a different day, because I know you
have a heart out, I can definitely share some things.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
That meant if I can always do a part two
for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
If I may add a quick when you're looking for
that hot even may add something on that. In regards
to these free Masonic similarities and their rituals and whatnot,
as Hetty is describing the official stance of the Mothership today,
the Salt Lake City Mothership that you know, the head
of the church, I call them the mothership. They're an
ancient alien cargo cult, so that's their mothership in Salt
Lake City. And their claims are well, our rituals are

(31:56):
identical to Freemasonry because they come from the same place.
So that's their they say they go back to the
days of Solomon Temple.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Can you see this screen at all? Sorry? Okay, because
I can't see you guys, So just let me know
if I disappear or like anything, like, if it starts
getting weird, because I won't know. And one time that happened.
This is kind of what is real in the church.
This isn't what we're told at all back in the day.

(32:30):
Now they've kind of came out with it because they
just can't hide it anymore. And so you know, the
skull on Brown's prophet Russell M. Nelson did a photo
shoot to show us the truth. I think there, yeah,
here we go. And he took the hat out of
cold storage and I'm absolutely not kidding, and and it
was all of South Park and I just went I
thought they said that was a lie. Like I was

(32:50):
so confused, and I was just like, this is this
is weird And I was already in Exmo. Then I
was out, but I still had a jolt of like,
what is happened when he brought this out? And I
wasn't kidding. Scholl and Bones profit, scholl And Bones was
helped created by Mormons. JJ knows this as well. You know,
I think they're your family.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
And what is this hat? What is this?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
So it's a he used it as a scribbing hat.
This is Joseph Smith's top hat. He would block out
all the light, much like Nostrodamus or John d or
anybody for scrying, and they would use these magical rocks.
John d had the obsidian mirror and a crystal ball.
But nevertheless, this is magic, you know, and you see

(33:35):
these things throughout Mormonism, but they lie to you about it, right,
They're telling you, no, it doesn't have anything to do
with it. That's not true. Well it is true, and
now we have all the proof. Like these things that
I'm showing you are things that the Church has said, Yes,
this is real, and people can go look that up.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
So what you just shared with us is this fun fact?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Will you?

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Chase found this rock digging well on his property and
Joseph Smith asked to borrow it and refuse to give
it back. Yes, Mormon isn't is built on a stolen rock.
It's just this is just a little rock that he
put into his hat.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
And yeah, this is one of his magical rocks. They
say it's his most special one. This is Sally Chase's
green searstone. The other one is the brown one, supposedly
his favorite. But tell me this, I think this is
his favorite because there's no real pictures of it. Wouldn't
you have a photo of the best one, like come on,
it's only an artist rendition, So I think this one's

(34:31):
probably made a courtz in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
But whatever, Yeah, and her diamond apparently right, Yeah, there
you go. Yeah, very interesting, Rock. I came to find
out that's Shelley. Yeah, Shelley Olmstead. Shelley Elmstead educated myself
in Haudi in that a few weeks ago in regards
to the Mormon's early onset of activity in New York.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, I did not know.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
And it has to do with the Herkimer diamonds.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
We think that, Yeah, Rock, ye, I can.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Bring it up if you want, from what Shelley was
describing to us, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
And then so why he's looking for that? These are
the other things I was mentioning. Is his Jupiter talisman,
which is clearly made from the Magus, which is a
magical I mean, this says from the keys of Solomon
lesser and greater keys of Solomon, and that's just not Christian. Like,
I'm sorry to burst anybody's little bubble here, here's a
magical Mars dagger or his attain. Anybody that practices magic

(35:29):
will realize that. Straight out the gate with the inscriptions
and different things here on these seals for his it's
for magic, like this is what it is. I mean,
these are the parchments. There's a few of them here.
They'll blame them on other people. That was his brother.
They died together, so it goes like that. But these

(35:50):
have all been extremely checked out, and they check out
more with Joseph's son sign all of his astrology everything.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, and this looks like a room like a Viking sigil.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yep, this is is That's exactly well, it's past. That's
exactly where it comes from in my opinion. So when
Heidi brought this all this stuff to my attention, I
was like, well, this makes a lot of sense to
me what you just said, because these things are passed
down the blood lines, and Joseph has bloodlines back to
the templar.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yes, yep. I was telling him about the witchcraft trials
and everything, and you know they just hide all this stuff.
This is this is a better one. This is the
Holiness to the Lord parchment. There's Holiness to the Lord
is written on all of the temples, by the way,
And and here we've got specific calling down for angels,
for intelligences, which are demons. That's what they are in

(36:44):
this particular category, not always. Somebody came at me once
and said, so intelligence always means no, it means in magic.
Like for this specific situation that we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
This is something I want to bring up that you
see all the time where a lot of people are like,
praise God, Praise God, but we're never told which God
that they are praising. When someone says I want to
thank God, like in the music industry or awards or
something like that, Oh, praise God, Thank you God. You're
assuming that we're talking about Yeah, we're assuming that, but

(37:21):
we don't know. We have no idea which God they're praising.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Well. And on top of it, this is explained away
by the Mormon Church. This one back here, these these
particular seals are on this paper, okay, And I want
to show something here is they'll say this was to
protect him because evil people were coming for him. No,
this says, who's so bare at this? Okay? And and

(37:46):
has it that the the things that he brings down
have to obey him, not just the things that he
uh has against him. No, he is bringing.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
These are controlling sigils. These are oh geez.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
When we're talking about these things. See who's so bareth
this sign about him? Let him fear no man but God.
But this one says, whoso bareth this, what does it
say about him? All spirits shall do him homage. That
is not just being protected from things being chucked at you.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
That's not the same occultish. This is crazy. We're summoning demons.
We're summoning the Some people say spirits, but demon this.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
One literally there's literally ones that are are said to
the intelligences, which means demon. And and this goes far
deeper than just free masonry. I mean, it goes far
deeper than a lot of things that they want to accept.
And I understand. I also once was that person, and
I get how creepy that can be. These are the

(38:53):
coffin Knes I spoke to you about, and these are
in a museum. These are picture proof. I'm not making
this up. They dug him up and made canes out
of their dead body juice wood, and then they put
their hair in the knob and and it is just
It went to the next one. It went to Brigham
Young and Sydney.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
We were talking about again, and it's gross.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
You know, who who even knows what they did with
the rest of their bodies. Honestly, they move They were
moved like multiple times. And we're talking about skull and
bones family members here, Like this is serious and it
goes super deep.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
But you just members get this skull veneration and rituals
from right.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Oh, it's Babylonian. I mean this goes back.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Not only is a Babylonian, it goes back to the Templar.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
And so when we talk about this, you know we're
we're going into a magical realm because who influenced the
Templars John d and who influenced John d al Kindy
And this stuff goes back and back and back and
back until you reach Battylon basically, but they're all married.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
The Templars probably if I made how do you think
the Templars probably are the ones that influenced John Dee though? Right?

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Oh yeah, well I think it was vice versa. Definitely
working together, definitely working well.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
But John d wasn't around for what correct me if
I'm wrong? What you're with he again? Oh, just late.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Fifteen hundred something. Uh huh, yeah, they say he looked
up to al Kindy and al Kindy was like a Muslim,
and nobody talks about al Kindy.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Because John D and these this Muslim fellow descend from
the same organization, the Templar and the she Assassins. They're
the same organization. We've been sold to them as different. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
John D is fifteen twenty seven to sixteen o eight
or sixteen oh nine.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, his career was more so in the late fifte
hundreds there, yes, sir, but I don't know is his lineage.
But now that you mentioned, how do I will look
it up because I suspect he's probably also.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I found that out.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, that's good. That's even more reason to suspect e's
temple or heritage.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, because my family we know you are.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
So I've used your uncle.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
So I mean, there you go, fifteenth great uncle and
I definitely am a house suburban MAYRAVNGI and bloodline and medici.
So yeah, he's definitely up to something there. But you're
really and people will say, well, you're related to everybody, Yes,
figure it out. If you've got one, you're probably related
to all of them. Yeah, And it's yeah, and so

(41:29):
you know, we don't have to make it up. It
is what it is. Like JJ likes to say, it's
more of a pole than a tree, and I mean
they kept it in the family. Yeah, so unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Sorry. At first I was like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Oh, oh, family, Yeah, my family tree is more of
a family poll that lacks the branches that would necessitate
the college tree.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I love it. I use it all the time. I
always accredit you because it makes me laugh. And this
is the kind of praying that we do. This is
the true order of prayer in the temple. You know,
we used to do blood ohs and and blood atonement
and you know.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
It's very well they still do, Heidi. We have a
lot of time and scandals right now, do we not.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Sorry about that? Yes, And especially in Mexico, they still
do uh and and this you know, this is typhony
and magic. Like if you look at their hands, look
at their hands, right, this is a real picture from
inside the temple that somebody knew name Noah. He snuck
in and and he got these and he wore Google

(42:33):
glasses and they hate him. I'm sure, But this kind
of stuff is what we do and not me anymore.
But I did you know.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
If if I'm on that note, Heidi, I would say
the typhony instill that from Joseph, for they got from
the same source. So Crawley Crawley venerates Smith for the
same reasons that many other folks do within this magical communities,
because they get their sources from the same uh, same grimoires,
same grimor well.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
And the typhon goes even further curly steals it and
takes it. But that's like ancient Greece, you know, like
this is like old stuff, and when we talk about
all this stuff, like these are old, old, but they
just it's like nothing new under the sun.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
They just so there is so much more to this
than like I've also heard that oh he received these
tablets and in the woods and that was it. That's
where it all started from. But no, that's what they
want the outside world to think, where it all started from,
you know, more or less. But this is so much deeper,
this magic, this cold.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Well and kneeling over this altar to get married, and
looking in forever mirrors that make a portal, like and
go on and on and on and on. People laughed
at me and said, that's stupid. That doesn't make a portal.
Have you ever looked inside two mirrors? At once, like
it looks crazy, you know, and it looks like this,
and what color does it show at the end of that?
It's always a green hue. I've looked at this over

(43:55):
and it is.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
It's this emerald tablet kind of looking room.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
It's very well. And what color is Lucifer's favorite color?
It's green?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
And so yeah, well, but if you're going back to
these folks theology, you know, Thought is the character they're
probably trying to emulate with that green stuff, right, Or.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Quet's a cotal he swallowed a green emerald. You know,
that's what one day we'll come back on and talk
about with quets a codal. But supposedly he swallowed a
green emerald. And you know, the Mormons have been quoted
multiple times of saying qu's a cotal is Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, I'm of the belief all these characters are the
same Hermes, trist Magestus, thought, quets a cotal. These are
just different languages for the same different. Yeah, No, different
than we see with any other goddess or goddess character
throughout time. We see the Romans and the Greeks have
different names for the same character. It's the same we
apply that same concept along with these same principles, it's
get we come to the I think a much more

(44:51):
accurate conclusion that these characters as Quets a Cotal and
the similar characteristics no different than like Moses and Akinaten.
Many people have written books those are the same characters.
Because it's a different language, it's the same character absolutely. Well.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Speaking of language, this is a sample of the original
Book of Mormon language. Oh you're good, I'm almost done.
This is the original characters from the Book of Mormon.
Because he wouldn't actually say words like and they went
down to whatever or should we say? And it shall
come to pass jj I'll get a kick out of that.
One is in there like a thousand times. But anyways,

(45:27):
these characters are next to the Inokian language. I've also
had somebody recently share with me the Micmac language and
how close it is to that. So, you know, they
call it reformed Egyptian, But is it What kind of
magical language is this? Is this the ademic language of
John D. That he said was the angels, you know,

(45:48):
and and the angels lie their asses off. And I'm
going to stop sharing. The angels lie so much that
John D. Literally gave up everything and then had to
raise Edward Kelly's kid like, come on, I'm not talking
about good guys here.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Wow. No, this is mind blowing stuff from me. You know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
It was for me too.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Well, it's not only that, sir. This this these magical wizards.
They left America in eighteen forty four and they invaded
your homelands. You're from the Mormon Corridor right Alberta down
to Mexico. There, that was the Mormon Corridor that used
to be known as the Nation of Deseret.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
I'm from there. I'm from there as well. I'm a
part mcmack, a native.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
And you know they actually I'm al Burton.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
They actually encouraged them to go mate with the mcmac
so they could receive their spiritual properties. They're no dummies. Yeah,
So and once again.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
City from eighteen forty four, well, I'm sorry, eighteen fifty
until eighteen ninety four, that was the Nation of Desert
and it's spanned up in Canada and down to Mexico.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I jumped from the northern aspect of it to the
southern aspect of it. Here we go.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And then when they're surrounded by Mormons and boast spots
that I can assure you of that still to this day,
these are very big hot spots.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Wow. Well, like I just see them. I don't see daily,
but I see them weekly, you know, out and about
in their their uniforms and and so we just pulled
up the Herkimer diamonds here. So you said, maybe his
rock was a Hrkiver diamonds. So what were we going
to tell us about that?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Well, this was something Shelley Olmsted was educating myself and
hiding on over on the Eyes and Ears podcast a
few weeks ago with Charles the host over there one
of his guests who's a you know, local historian of
sorts in the area there in Oneonta. So she was
describing how this is largely accepted in their area, you
know locally that this is you know, this is where
the county where Joseph Smith got thrown out of the

(47:59):
first time. He gets thrown into that county, then Kirtland, Ohio,
and then Independence, Missouri, and then he gets murked in Kirtland,
sorry Carthage Prison, but it was not very Illinois. They
were set up in right, so and again there's a
lot of politics involved. He was friends with Abraham Lincoln.
Abraham Lincoln's law partner was Joseph Smith's attorney, personal attorney.
He represented him in numerous cases. Lincoln sat and he didn't,

(48:21):
he didn't. He wasn't technically on the case, but he
sat there at the table with him one day in
a trial in Springfield.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Well, he's also the cousin of John D. Rockefeller. Like
this goes deeper than people understand. Oh and JA opened
that up to me with the whole society of Cincinnati,
you know.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Oh, well, there you go. And that's another part of
Joseph Smith's up. And again all these folks in are Mary.
So this is all a big family feud of sorts,
is the way I look at and it has beens
for millennia, going back to the Old Land, because the
Society of Cincinnati is simply the Knights templar here in America.
That's their descendants, right.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yep, they're hidden descendants right well in some cases sure, yeah,
but Lanzo Meadows, Yeah, we know that Lanzo Meadows that
people came to America way before they said they did,
and especially up through Canada down so I mean surprise.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, that's the Templar's ancestors, the Normans, for example, Wayam
the conquerors known as the Norman invasion of the United
Kingdom in ten sixty six. Our crown, our crown history
today in America and probably in your parts there as well,
Stir in Canadem, Mexico. Under these crown histories, right, they're
describing us the Vaticans version of events, if you will,
and the Crown of England's version of events, not the

(49:33):
actual version of events. So in ten sixty six, those
same Normans came to North America and Wayiam the conquerors
to lieutenants and first cousins were the progenitors of Clan Vance.
So one one of those members, one of those knights Vans,
went to England, the other one went to Scotland, and
their descendants were part of these societies that would later
form America.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
It's all about Hidden's eartline.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
So much that I have no idea about this, like
this Cincinnati club, Like what are you guys talking about.
I'm like, I'm so fresh into this into this side
of things. It's it's crazy, you know, there's so much more,
so many things that are connected as well that we

(50:18):
just don't know, you know, they got their hand in everything,
in this magic and this dark or cultish, this black
blood sex magic. It's it's everywhere, it's it's infiltrated into
so many aspects that we don't even know. And I
had no idea that this religion was that much into that,

(50:40):
let alone dated back much further, like its roots are
much further than I would have ever even.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well, we're told they were formed in eighteen thirty. But
Heidi and I have discussed and unpacking some of my forefathers.
A man of the Society of the Cincinnati. He was
the essentially the head of the secret service, if you
want to call it that, the security element of jor
Washington Mall. He was in garrison in New York City
during the war. A man by the name of Elias Buell.
He was a Huntington cousins with one of one of
Heidi's ancestors.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yes, the first first president of the Relief Society.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yes, there you go.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
First first female leader of the church, who used.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
To be able to give blessings to the sick and
now they can't. They used to be able to do
laying on of hands, and she had the most successful
laying on of hands because she was kind of known
to be magical, and that's very strange. You know, she
was also married to Brigham Young. I think she was
married to both of them, right, wasn't she.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, And she's also cousins with both of them, because
Young's Young's cousins of Elias Buell, and so is Joseph Smith.
They're different, different folks, but these huntings And folks are
again are inter mangled amongst the rest of them. That's who.
That's who forms the Skull and Bones is the Huntingsons
and the Russells and the Taps. All three of these
families are represented in the Mormon Church.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
And then they came here and set up the only
other known branch of School and Bones in Utah. And
the current prophet today, the president prophet of the church.
Profit Seer and Revelator is his title of the church.
He was a member of the Utah School on Bones
chapter and he admits it freely in his own biography.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
So yeah, yeah, hiding and I have an unpack in
some of these details around the origin story though, So
my forefather elives Buell there, he wrote in his last
will and Testament in eighteen twenty four, he migrated from
Vermont with along side the Mormons into New York. He
dies in Albany in eighteen twenty four, and he wrote,
do not let the Mormons baptize me for the dead? Well,

(52:37):
how can you write that in your last Will and
Testament when the Mormons haven't been invented for six more years? Wow?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
But then get me Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Heidi tracked back some of the theology and stuff and
this occult business within the necromancy, like the baptisms for
the dead specifically kind of activities through the Smith family
back further into Smith's forefather.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, and to the witchcraft as well. And so we
see these things obfuscated. They completely disconnect from that family.
I had to find the family lines inside their own website,
by the way, created by a Mormon, William bill Gay
underneath Howard Hughes, which is a whole series on my channel,

(53:21):
the Howard Hughes and the Mormon Mafia series. I believe
I'm at number five. I'm getting ready to do ow
NASA's for number six. It gets deep and dark, but
also it's infiltrated on every piece. And when you have
to understand is is the Mormons one hundred percent, as
well as John d as well as most of these
people are all about what a new world order, a

(53:42):
new Atlantis. These people Joseph Smith made an order of
Enoch and it was completely like a communal, communistic living
basically trying to do this and try to remake money.
And he ran for the president and all these things,
and it got him killed. I mean more than that.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
But yeah, so I think he's making some great points there.
I call this the anti liberty faction of the Society
of the Cincinnati. You have a pro liberty faction and
anti liberty faction. The anti liberty faction never wanted to
leave the old world right. They wanted to maintain those relations,
those economic principles that they were profiting from, etc. They
want to keep that status quote today we see that
emphasize through these members that some of the folks how

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he's pointing out there, including I would actually argue Smiths
in that in that camp alone and bring him young.
But it is these members of the society. I think
you're interesting. Heidi named them. Some matters of parapolitics and
are more modern era that you may not think are
necessarily relative to these topics of the Mormons in the
Society of the Cincinnati, which they seem to be an offshoot.
Joseph Smith's grandfather, Smith served in the Massachusetts Militia as

(54:44):
a captain, would thus qualifying him for membership in the
hereditary knighthood that started America, the Society of the Cincinnati,
So that would have been passed down to Joseph's father
and then likely on to Joseph.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
And his grandfather's name was az A L. The kid
from the two people, because we got to Samuels, the
one that went to the witchcraft, the captain that JJ's
talking about, then it goes down to oz A L.
And I'm telling you, I just don't think a Christian
would name their kid that. I just don't.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
But we see these repeating patterns in our modern parapolitics.
With Howard Hughes, he's likely a member of the Society
of the Cincinnati, and that would thus explain why he
surrounds himself with Mormons who were an offshoot of the Society.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
On both sides.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, oh, it's old Trees old Trees membership. There's no
doubt he's a member. It's just a matter of which
one he got inherited from right. And then you look
at JFK. Junior, whose father likes according to all the evidence,
please do, please do, it's very telly. He seems to
be the son of Aristotle on Nasis, not John F. Kennedy, right,

(55:49):
and Jackie Kennedy. Her father was a member of the
society the Cincinnati out of the Maryland chapter confirmed hereditary member,
and possibly the French chapter, because the French has a
chapter as well, thirteen colony chapters, one French chapter. And
it seems that old JFK. Junior got inducted into the
secret society that started America the moment he was born,

(56:09):
because his grandfather Bouvio passed a few years prior. Well.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
And then we see her marrying into what after her
husband dies, into the black, into the dark Illuminati.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
They call it the Black Illuminat.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
This is just how it is.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
You know, that adds a whole new dynamic, not only
the JFK assassination, but the JFK. Junior death, because you know,
his father's biological father's Aristotle on Nasis, and he's also
a member of the secret society that started America. And
then he got into politics in nineteen ninety and started
a magazine named George.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Yes he did.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
That's very interesting considering George Washington was the you know,
original President General of the Society.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Can you see this picture? I found this on accident.
This is my own comparison, but I want you to
notice some things. Look at his nose. Look at the
bridge and the spacing between his eyes brows to come down,
the very long, specific, very specific looking bridge of his nose.
He also has this pyramid above his lip. Do you

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see that? Look at this perfect pyramid above his lip.
Look at his hairline here here, here, here, here, here,
same thing here here, here, here, here here. And then
we see mother's eyes because we have to figure Jackie
into this situation, okay, And we see the same jaw
structure until you get to the chin, which is sharper

(57:31):
like his mother. I'm sorry, I think it's his.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
It's also very telling that he looks nothing like his father,
and he definitely looks Greek or Mediterranean, right his sister.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Looks like the father.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
M h.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
And the thing about these kind of kids is like
what I told h JJ. You know these kids when
they're born, if you're of Italian or Greek heritage or whatnot.
These Mediterranean looking people, they look blonde and stuff for
a while and then things change, right, And he was
about that age when when things started changing. Jackie had
also just been on Onassas's yacht right before.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
That's all I was gonna say. There's photographs of baby
JFK junior with a nasis.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Well, and she was on his yacht. She had baby
Patrick die because JFK was known to be such a
jerk about the baby's dying. And it makes you wonder
if he knew that they weren't his, because the first
one was named Arabella, and that does not sound like
a name they would choose if it doesn't sound like
a Catholic Irish name. Okay, that's all I'm saying. And

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she names this baby Arabella, and they said, well, your
wife's baby has passed, and he said, well, what do
you want me to do about it? And he never
did go home. The first one. RFK had to take
care of that. And the next baby that dies is
Patrick of Highland membering disease. And so she took off
and went on a boat two months before he died,
and with Onassas on his yat on the Christina and

(58:52):
with her sister. It's proved, there's pictures.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah, I don't know how many. I don't know how
many children old JFK juniors really create. And you know,
given his uh presumed proclivities about sexual orientation.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Yep, I think it's I think the girl.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
So that's Limb Buildings, that's his that's his private and
it's possible. I'm not I'm not ruling it out. I'm
just saying, like, that's his private school. Really we should
we should recognize this fact as well. That's his private
school roommate from growing up who had a room at
the White House mm hm where Limb Buildings lived at
the White House with the Kennedy's official story. And that's him,

(59:30):
his child, his childhood boarding school roommate.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
And don't you find it strange that his only surviving
child is the girl that is probably his bloodline?

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yeah? These candy bastards are dark.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yep, they are. Oh, I'm working on one Sins of
the father for that's after Onassis and then chap Equittic
because all of this whole thing. I'm not saying that
he was a good guy. I'm just saying this stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Happened right well, chap Equittic was a process, and in
the process churches involved with all these folks AFK, RFK
and Teddy. So Teddy meets with the mayor of Cambridge
and the Processed Church. The khmer of Cambridge introduces him
the Processed Church at their headquarters in Cambridge, Massachusetts. And
I believe it's May of nineteen sixty eight, so about

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a month before his brother's marked by the same organization.
And then a year later in chap Equittick, that woman
that Teddy drove off the bridge there in Murpha's vineyard,
she just happened to be the hills a for RFK,
so she would have had all those details from that
from that Processed Church, a Merkan of RFK in the
year prior. And the judge that let Teddy off on
that also seems to be you know, I like to

(01:00:37):
say process folks are going to process because that judge
has been letting out literal, cannibalistic serial killers to continue
doing exactly that out of prison.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Well, and look at how Woo Woo Jackie got too,
Like she got into some weird like woo woo stuff
as soon as she linked up with Onassas and even
he said she was basically the devil and tried to
get away from her at some point, like honestly, he
was ready to divorcer when he died, that's proven. And
then Christina dies, who didn't like Jackie, and his son

(01:01:08):
dies while they're married, like come on, yeah, and they
both died in planes. JFK and Onassis's son both go
down in planes with foul play suspected, by the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Way, Yeah, exactly, So yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Yeah, it's weird, definitely weird.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
This is this is so deep. It just there's so
much further, Yes, so much further than just people walking around.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
If I'm may add on to some of the hell
this affects us today. I don't like to talk about
any of these old history subjects without emphasizing how it
affects us today, not just the JFK situation, how we
don't understand that that obviously impacts a lot of discussions
today when folks are waiting for documents to be released,
which I think is preposterous on every front. But we
also see that, and it's something I've been trying to
wrap my brain hole around more as of late, since

(01:02:00):
our last conversation sation there ry when I was starting
to look into more of these Mormon cult activities, largely
the fundamentalists, but they really tie into the Mothership. And
I can demonstrate that through the example of Chad Dave
Bell in Idaho. The Mothership loved Chad Day Bell in
his work, his apocalyptic authorings of books and speeches. So
this is a common trend with these apocalyptic inn scionelian

(01:02:22):
cargo cults. So they can call themselves fundamentalists to say
all they do plagu I mean, we don't do business
with them anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
That's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
So and all of them work together, so that the
Nexium cult was employing some of these fundamentalists Mormons down
in some of Rama's cousins down in Mexico as nannies
and their sex trafficking operations that their cult leader went
to prison for. Some of those nannies got murdered by
cartel members back in twenty nineteen. So there's a lot
of activities around these matters that are very impactful still today.

(01:02:49):
But nonetheless, I think these Mormons that used to set
up set the Nation of Deseret and then employed then
sent their missionaries had already had missionaries overseas, so largely
the Deseret was popped related with folks from England to Denmark,
and there's one of our nation I'm missing. And I
think these people when they moved here, they moved to
the nation of desert, and their descendants today don't like America.

(01:03:10):
So when we're talking about the Joseph Smith communisms, of
the utopian societies, of communist practices and ideals, these things
are still prevalent and persists today amongst these same crowd
of folks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Oh yeah, and the people that we see now, like
the Salt Lake City Temple JJ Know's has always been
kind of the mecca. You know, it's a joke and
it's true, but it's always been really reveled for its
design and how it was in the Fountain of Living Waters,
which also is very hermetic if you look at it anyway. Whatever,

(01:03:43):
we'll leave that there, big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
It seems kind of magical when you go there, though,
don't it Like whatever they've done there it is there's
an impact you can feel. And then I don't know
if it's all the stone they have there, what or
whatever's producing this, there's a significance.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
On any or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, it does, you know, you know courtse Temple on
top of the A line. I'm I'm assuming that produces
an effect.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Mm hmmm, yep. And and uh, the salt is the
next closest salt to the Great Salt Lake salt. But
actually it's not exact and there's no other salt like
it in the world ever, like at all, and I
find that very strange. But also when we talk about
alchemy and salt and these makeups of stone and these
different things, like I think it was mason i qurtz,

(01:04:29):
I think is what it is and granite. Uh, but
I looked it up on what was the actual stone
that they used for the temple. But now they've redone
the temple.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
It's it's it's like Grant's the courts manz and I
or something. I'll bring it. It's yeah, it's from a
local uh you know, valley canyon there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
And then so that you have these things and then
they say they're so important, but yet they've redesigned it
into the exact shape of a keyhole, just like the Vatican.
From an aerial view, now it is exactly the same.
And then we see in twenty eighteen we saw the
Vatican for the first time ever allowed the Mormons to

(01:05:11):
build down the street, right down the street in Italy
from the Vatican, a temple. And so just so people
know that's already been done. And then we have a
picture of the Mormon prophet shaking Peter's hand with the
keys to the Kingdom. They always say they have the keys,
and now it's shaped like a key. And so is
the NASA's foundation shaped like a key. They're all keys.

(01:05:32):
I mean, people need to start studying Atlantis if they
want to see some of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
But there we go. So the Salt Lake Temple, the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints was built
of blocks of courts, Monsonite, granite, and grand you're right,
of the Latter day Saints quarried from the little cottwood stock,
which is super far away.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
And I don't know really how that's possible. I dare
say it was either already part actually here or they
knew how to coral coral castle it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
To be honest. The temple includes some elements thoughts to
invoke Solomon's Temple, so we're talking to Solomonic magic. And
again that they constructed it. It was like groundbreaking was
eighteen fifty three. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, right,
that sounds right. I put a link in the chat
about how the all the links Solomon's Temple and their
official accounts from the official church website. But again, when

(01:06:27):
we're saying Solomonic magic is hot, he was explaining and
I keep saying that that even the official accounts say
it goes back to King Solomon's temple. I mean, there
we go again. They are even citing here on the Wikipedia,
the source of all information on the interwebs, that there's
elements of this temple here in Salt Lake. That they
go that hearkened to Solomon's temple.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Yeah, we should pull that up because people always tell me, oh,
he wasn't Amazon. I'm link he was a Mason, and
even the church says so now so they didn't tell before.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
So when when Joseph Smith was murked, there was five
major offshoots, one of which was his son Smith. The
third Wait, yeah, the third, I think yeah, the third
or the fourth?

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
He us a point the r.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
LDS, the Reformed LDS Church. I always get I don't
know if Joseph Fielding Smith was his son. The church
traces its origins to Joseph Smith's establishedment the Church of
Christ April sixth, eighteen thirty. His eldest son, Just Smith
the Third formerly accepted leadership of the church in April sixth,
eighteen sixty. So this was the main kind of one
after Brigham Young. So it was Joseph he was only ten.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Yeah, he was ten, So we had to wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, so we see this group though, they are the
ones who owned, who owned a lot of very important
land for many years. Right, They owned the Hillcamora, they
owned Kirtland, they owned a Navu. Now over time the
mothership in Salt Lake City has weaseled their way into
owning all that stuff. But my point being there is
his son inherited his Masonic apron and that was on

(01:07:51):
display at the Kirtlands Temple back when the r LDS
still owned it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Oh yeah, I've seen it, yep, I've I've got a
photo of it as well, and the church doesn't hide
it anymore. But people still say I'm lying, and I'm like,
this is nuts. Like he was risen to a master
Mason in one day he went and he pledged and
became a mason and was risen to a master Mason
in the course of twenty four hours. So he used shit,

(01:08:15):
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Yeah, but if yeah, but if your grand master of
your lodge is also you know, he answers to you
because you're the profit seer revelator, right, So I mean
it's it's kind of other, you know, shady business on
both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I suppose what I'm saying, right, Yeah, canon digwell, I
believe is where.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
He pledged I'm a traveling man, sir, not in the
sense of freemasonry. Is I think that's one of those
silly little terms about that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Yeah, that's that's the question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah. I like to say you're smart at like that.
But the uh, I went to all these Mormon sites
as a youngster, and this is when I saw that
free Mason Aprin. I think I was thirteen, so we'll
call it nineteen ninety three. That was I haven't been
there since, so it was on display then. But one
interesting thing to note, this is their first temple they
ever built, right, and you'll notice that it was built

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in the Federal Greek Revival architecture, which is the architecture
specifically of the Society of the Cincinnati. That's what we
see us Congress. That's what we see in the Adena Mansion.
And here in Ohio, which is the namesake for the
Adena Mountains and the Dana Mounds is where he found
that Book of Mormon allegedly, right the Golden plates. So
we see the same pattern behavior amongst the same core

(01:09:22):
group of secret society folks. And we can see it
in our architecture too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yes, that the more fun one. Pull up the r
LDS now the new one, Oh boy, the one that
looks like, you know, the Tower of Babel.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Really that's fine. It's like the Tower of Babble. That's
fine if you look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
If you like the Ancient city or that city from
Star Wars, the Cloud City, well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
For sure, but definitely uh spirals up to heaven definitely
looking like dairy queen cone. But uh yeah, yeah, it's
just weird, but it still exists.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
And which one is that one? What is that called?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Again?

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
So the Reorganized Church, what happens is when Joseph passes away.
You know, it was very unexpected. They did want his
son to take over. He was ten, so people were like, yeah,
that's not going to work. Sidney Brigden was supposed to
kind of do it, and him and Brigham Young had
like kind of like a speech debate type situation, and
Sidney Rigden was sick that day, so he did not

(01:10:30):
give a very good presentation. And also Brighamy Young apparently
transformed into you know, Joseph Smith. So yeah, so those
people went with him, and then the others stayed with
Mother Smith with the child waiting kind of an interim
for that child to get old enough. And they did
run their own without polygamy. No polygamy there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
So I think the best way I look at it
from my perspective is, this is the blood line of
Joseph Smith. That's why Freemasonic apron was in Kirtland for
a while before the Mothership at sult A got their
hands on that property. And this is the man who
leads that the r LDS today is a direct descendant
of Joseh Smith. So that man is likely a member
of the Society of Cincinnati, and he's probably very much
at odds with these Socaety leadership there in Saltwaic city

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of the Mothership, I'm certain.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Yeah, they also kept more of the Wu Wu stuff
and then the magic whereas Brigham Young got rid of
that and it became like the CIA Mormons. Ah, and
I mean that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
I would argue the Mormons invented spook operations in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Maybe that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah, either way, I can I can say that I've
been I was recruited by every three letter agents to
even think of probably something you never heard of during
my twenty years in the military police.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Oh my god. So that's something else we got to
talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Oh yeah, when you put Mormon on your shirt, when
you put Mormon on your dog tag, suddenly a lot
of folks want to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
And there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
There it is. I left Mormon on dog attag for
this reason because even though I left the church five
years into my military career, I found out you don't
want to be an atheist amongst that crowd either. I'm
not an atheist. I'm just saying if you don't have
something on your dog tag, they assume you're an atheist.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Yeah, there's that that spiral, there's the tower.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yes, it's interesting. They did keep more of the I
would say, the woo woo aspect, and they did raise
women up as well. And I think they let them
hold the priesthood and everything. It's completely back to how
more how Joseph had it so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
And now they call themselves the Community of Christ coc.
They changed their name.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Officially about twenty bad acronym extremely bad acted Anyway, when
you have this temple, it's a horrible acronym, or it's Are.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
They trying to tell you it's pretty spot odd?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Wow, exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
You know. I, I know we're starting to wind up here,
and I gotta I gotta check out here. But is
there anything else you guys want to bring up before
we uh bring this to a close.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah, I like to talk about how much these folks
really spread across the nation of Desert and Mexico, because you're, again,
this is your your neck of the geographical parts of
the world. So I don't I'm not all that familiar
with those parts. I have enough hard times with the
names of English languages, let alone other languages names, let

(01:13:41):
it be French or Spanish. I've been I've been studying
a lot of the French chapter of the Society of Cincinnati,
and I feel like I'm stuck in a show of
fraggle Rock. Sometimes with all these names, I'm written, so
the uh no offense. But I'm just saying I already
have it. When I I I oftentimes forget folks names
moments after I meet them. So that's why there's a
lot of people in my life named Phil and Sue,
because I couldn't tell you the difference of you know,

(01:14:01):
that's just their default name they get if I forget
their name. So I actually have a friend that I
still friends with the day, have been for over twenty years.
I still call him Phil because I just couldn't remember
his name. For like, when I first method dude, when
my whole co fellow, uh fellow airman in the and
the you know, military police in the Air Force there,
but you know, and everyone else call him Phil, and
I was like, you know, I don't think his name
is Phil, but you know, you can ask him and

(01:14:22):
suddenly today's is his names is Phil. Anyhow, I have
a real problem with names, but understanding these concepts of
trying to I've been mapping things out with the Mormon
cold activity, and literally from eighteen fifty three the nineteen thirties,
they are They're as far south as Mexico City, Okay,
so deep deep in the Yucatan, right deep in the Yucatan.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
That is the Uka Temp Peninsula. I'm not in the state,
but I'm in the I'm in the Uca Temp Peninsula.
And of course, see i've seen them here, like cannot
deny that they have a strong president.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
You've seen the official ones. You've seen the official you are.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Right, Yeah, I've seen the one that I'm allowed to see.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
They settled it in apparently eighteen eighty five there in Chihuahua, Mexico.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
I've been tracking largely the le Baron family, but there's
not They're not the only ones. There's a Mexican National
fellow by the name of Bautista who had a very
large impact as being a cult leader. So he he
was a fundamentalist cut leader the Mormons on the Third Conference,
so he had three divisions of plagamy. Basically, you had
the eighteen eighteen nineties, nineteen fifteen or so, and then

(01:15:29):
circa nineteen thirty six, I think it is, that's the
third conference. That's and that's when this dude, even as
late as that was down there, down as far as
Mexico City, you know, taking you know, taking folks and
starting a new fundamentalist cult down there. Now today all
that exists is the is the le Baron and the
Romney families and they're they're just south of El Paso

(01:15:51):
about an hour and they've had a lot of Like
I said, those families were doing nanny stuff in sex
trafficking operations for next him, the same teenage women that
got marked by the Mexican drug cartel. One of the
le Baron sons in recent years has been busted for
drug trafficking and other such hood ratshit activities. One of
a full scale cartel war that ended with the division

(01:16:13):
of the cartels that we now know today was the
Quintera cartel that splintered off into other cartels. You know
what I'm talking about. Now we have Sineloa and now
we have you name the ones we know now they
all came from Quintaro. That all revolves around the le
Baron family, Satanist drug traffickers, including the inter Pole chief

(01:16:33):
and right twenty minutes from le Baron compound. Is this
DA officer that got merged in nineteen eighty five. The
US government just got Quinto to the States a few
months ago to put him on trial. Nineteen eighty five
was when he was arrested. The Interpol chief that helped
bring him the justice would commit suicide a few years later.
And the name you may be familiar with Adlfhocus Stanzo,

(01:16:55):
as we discussed to believe in the Matta Morros cult.
That seems that Interpol chief was moving this guy around
the doll focused stancea to insert himself in the Mexican
drug cartels as their chief Satanist narco trafficker. Dude, right,
because here's the deal that I'm only now understanding. Any
any person you know that is a narco trafficker, be
it the Median cartelbeit the Panamanian fella, uh Noriego. I

(01:17:18):
was just reading the DA report on Noriega the other day.
They had a and it says in the report a
madow Moros style cult altar in his home. So all
of these folks are doing the same Satanist stuff and
it seems to coincide with whatever these Mormon fundamentalists are
doing down there they're down there, which I would argue
they're kind of Satanists.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
You need to look up the Panama connection for Mitt
Romney and his Shell companies and who started that with
Bain and Company. Because it's all Panamanian and it's very
interesting as well as Robert Maxwell. Just fyi, just a
little a little gravy for that potato.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Oh and that's a good point. So I think it's
an interesting case. Not being reported on right now is
the prosecution of Quintaro, and it's wrapped up in all
these cults, all this drug trafficking, in human trafficking, including
next to him, these Mormon fundamentals, cults that include the
Romney family Mitten's. Romney's father was born down there in
that same compound.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Actually ran for president and was disqualified for running for
president because he was born there.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Wow, there is so much to unravel here and unwrap here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
It's just it's well so much it gets crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
And one last thing that's really crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
It gets crazy. Yeah. And also just fyi, you know,
I mentioned the Gaze a lot when I talk about
Howard Hughes, and they're extremely important to this day. But
not only are the Lebarons on TV in the form
of Christine from Sister Wives. By the way, the gays
remain on TV because she is part of the real
Salt Lake City Housewives, and the gays are extremely important

(01:18:59):
to the Howard Hugh Company. But when you spoke about
kidnapping and such things, we have to know that the
son of the very important Bill Gay, who was Howard
Hughes's main guy that ended up getting the biggest piece
of fat from the will. Okay, he ends up running
Howard Hughes Medical Center. His son's daughter actually ends up

(01:19:20):
kidnapped and it disappeared for like over I think it
was seven or eight days. She was fourteen years old
in nineteen ninety six. And this ends up the shutdown
of the Bain Corporation. And it was really weird because
as soon as that happened JJ they flipped it around
and he ends up leaving Robert Gay koram of the
seventy very involved in the Mormon Church. He ends up

(01:19:43):
leaving that to go to Huntsman and merges Huntsman Gay
Global Capital HGGC. If you want to rap Johnny, you
might want to go down that Huntsman center.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
They're the folks who have been in styrofoam. Prominent and prominent,
prominent Mormon family. John Huntsman has been the ambassador to
China in recent years.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yes, and very close connects with Ben Lawden's Kasho gees,
all kinds of fun people Like. I'm just saying, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Gotta watch out for those Mormons and TV though, because
they're everywhere. And here's an example of how they did.
How the Mormons when they went global on everybody, how
what they did. So this fellow right here, you'll see
the red hair, ginger Hawaiian fella. It's an odd set
up since none of his both of his parents or Hawaiian,
and he's somehow ginger. But I grew up with this
fella in the church and went and went to you know,

(01:20:36):
we're boy scouts together and whatnot. He didn't plan the bat,
the Mormon bat. Mormons loved basketball, at least in Ohio,
and he didn't plan the team. But his dad was
our one of our assistant scout leaders at one point
in time. But uh, they're from the Hawaiian royal family.
So when the Mormons took over Hawaii a long time ago,
long before the US state, and they integrated into the
Hawaiian the royal family, into the royal royal family, what

(01:21:01):
was that, Bill gay no is I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Thinking that they set up the Polynesian Center.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Yeah, he'd no this, but I'm thinking, I'm thinking, like
eighteen this is, I'm thinking it eighteen seventy though this is.
I mean it may it may be a gay. Those
gays are everywhere, but you know it. What what I'm
saying they what I'm getting at is there when the when,
every when? What I'm what I'm getting at not only
the infiltration of how they got into royal families in

(01:21:25):
Hawaii again, nearly one hundred years before that, Hawaii was
a state, I think in nineteen sixty four, so I
think in eighteen seventy and again I'll look, it might
have been a gay to be quite honestly, to make it,
what makes sense why his son is his descendant later
would be over there doing the same things right again,
it is. That's why I like to play a game
on my Friday Nights show on Operation GCD is who
is your daddy and what does he do? Froma We

(01:21:46):
got a lot of folks side now who their daddy's
in this world?

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
I got a picture I'm going to send you about
John Travolta because I made it for you last night
at work.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Nice and well, you brought me a couple of those characters,
not the least of which JFK Junior for that game.
They're Heidi. But the Mormons in the mid in the
mid nineteenth century, in the circa eighteen fifty, no nation
on this planet had an intelligence operation, a navy, you know,
and missionaries, and the Mormons had the Nation of Deseret

(01:22:15):
had all three. Yep. So when I say the invent
of this book game, I'm not making that up. When
I say they infiltrade every nation on this planet, I'm
also not making that up.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
The unseen hands, you know, it's the one of many
unseen hands, you know, because I know there's many other
groups as well that that do that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
But now you're that's true, there are many unseen hands.
But I'd like to know how many of them have
multiple hundred plus billion dollars slush funds, and.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Also that they have the most land owning for farming
other than Bill Gates's number one. Number two is the
Mormon Church. But the first holding in the Mormon Church's
portfolio is Microsoft. So they've been playing this game a
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Just saying thankfully, as the US taxpayer, though I myself
and Heidi included as taxpayers, owned seventy five percent of
America through the public lands. I'm just it's a little
plug to say that, you know, well, I do recognize
there's a lot of aspects in our control of America
and global control. There are a bunch of scumbags there
are I do. I'm where I'm cognitively were cognizantly aware
of the fact that there are also good people in

(01:23:23):
this world and within some of these same organizations.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
I agree, and I think that's a great way to
end this off today. For this one and Heidi and JJ,
I want to say thank you so much for making
the time. And do you guys want to give yourself
a plug once more before we close this up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Yes, sir, they're going to ask us to give us
some applause, and I'll do that too. For hiding, for
hiding from myself.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
This was a great time all the way around. And
thank you so much for having me on. I'm Heidi
love of Unfiltered Rice podcast. I'm everywhere podcasts are served.
I do have my own Patreon. I don't cut my episodes.
If you want two extra episodes a month, you can
go there and sign up. It's five bucks a month.
It's basically I buy me a coffee for my hard
work and research. I try not to raise that price
because I understand and I want people to be able

(01:24:11):
to get that information. It's usually around nursing and so
my upcoming series with Janet will be all about carnival
sideshow diseases because we're weird. That's gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Anyways, is that where you get a bearded lady like
my accident lady, you get.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
A disease your beer, you get a beard.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Yes, you get a job a circus Yep, exactly. I
appreciate the invite rise great conversation, sir and Idy always ma'am,
It's always a wonderful conversation talking these topics. JJ Vance,
host of Operation GCD, not the Vice President, No bombs
here and Operation GCD Wednesdays. I'm doing ocult Esoteric Film

(01:24:54):
Review nine pm Eastern Time Fridays. Right, you have to
join me again for a future fre as. We've had
some wonderful conversation over there in the past. Certainly look
forward to having more of these in the future with
you and welcome you back anytime now, also at nine pm.
And then I do a Patreon Sundays and Thursdays at
nine pm. Do a preview on my my normal channels,

(01:25:15):
but then the full shows on Patreon Live every Sunday
and Thursday Sundays are my GCD adventures, if you will.
That that judge that let ted Kennedy walkom chap equittick
happened to let out a kid diddling, cannibalistic, commicidal, psychopathic
serial killer who I came face to face with back
in two thousand and one, and who allegedly served me
human meat burgers at the local parties back in two

(01:25:37):
thousand and that's in a show I did a few
weeks back, the Legend of Nathaniel bar Jono. So that's
the appropriate looks there. It was a pure evil, I
can assure you of that in that man's face and eyes.
He was let out to. He was let out to
terrorize the town of Great Falls, Montana. That's a you know,
I like that town. It was my first assignment. I
lived there for three years, and some great people there.

(01:25:58):
And that judge, I'm telling you, processed folks are gonna process.
So folks want to hear more about satan Satanism and
stuff like that and process and murder and whatnot. And
we're the topics we discussed tonight, do a lot of
all these things, and then Thursdays is I do unpacking
the syop that we know is the anatomy of the
Satanic Panic, the sye off we know as the Satanic Panic.
So awesome, appreciate it, time look forward to more conversations, sir.

(01:26:20):
Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
I really really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
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