236. Watching The WatchTower

Welcoming Nathan from HelpfulexJW on TikTok!He is a born in Jehovah's Witness who broke free from the chaos and exposes the deception.Showing the masonry, hand signals and deep secrets of the Elders. Speaking out and finding his way to Jesus professing his salvation, rescue and grace!God is so good and can truly save!Come join us for this amazing discussion!If you missed my episode with his wonderful wife please see episode 162 link below. Please check out all of Nathan's work at his tiktok and his wife as well her links are in the show notes for 162.Guest Links Helpful ExJw https://www.tiktok.com/@thehelpfulexjw?_r=1&_t=ZT-91T2jMqJ1SPGod Bless Always Unfiltered RIse Podcast LinksWebsite: https://unfilteredrisepodcast.com/Patreon: https://patreon.com/UnfilteredRise?X: https://x.com/unfilteredrise/status/1772012349551153303?s=46IG: https://www.instagram.com/unfilteredrise_podcast?igsh=MWE4NnQ2Y2Zxa3pnNw%3D%3D&utm_source=qrYouTube: https://youtube.com/@unfilteredrisepodcast?si=IMlOVdcKU6oj4N8sTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unfilteredrisepodcast?_t=8rjVXGsH2AY&_r=1Merch: https://heidi-luv-shop.fourthwall.com/Donations: buymeacoffee.com/unfilteredEMePlease know my podcast and its information presented are for entertainment or informational purposes. I do not threaten or wish any harm to any nation,creed, color, religion etc …. God Bless 🙏 #illuminati #Jehovahwitness #watchtower #Esoteric #Masonry #freemason#skullandbones

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm awake, are you. I wonder how many miles I've fallen.
It seems I'll get to the center of the earth. Curious,
isn't it? And really nothing is quite impossible. Let's go
now to our new episode of The Unfiltered Rise with
Me Heidi Love.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of The Unfiltered
Rise with Me Heidi Love. And today I have with
me something I've never had happen before. I have somebody
that has been on my show refer this one to
me because it's her husband and Nathan, who is the
helpful XJW. He sent me a message and I was like, well,

(00:41):
of course you definitely have to come on and tell
me about this. How are you doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm good? How are you? I'm finally I'm finally on.
So that's good. I was excited about this show.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Ah awesome. Yes, And when you send me your video
and I know there's lots of things going on, but man,
oh man, I was a little bit intrigued. I can't
wait to hear what you have to tell me. Well, first,
like a little bit about you and you know what
you do so they can find your work.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
So I'm mostly on YouTube and TikTok, and it's a
helpful xjw E XJW. I am a former job as witness,
no longer job's witness. I pretty much do this research
about this religion nearly full time. I grew up in

(01:30):
the reptile business in South Florida. My parents had the
largest pet store in South Florida for fifteen years. And
I finally was able to lead the religion since my wife,
who you interviewed, finally was awakened by Jesus or Holy Spirit,
you can say, and I am so thankful because I

(01:52):
had to go into that lines then for an additional
twenty years, you know. So and that's it' that's pretty
much the gist of it.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's a hard one, you know. That's a lot even
more strict than the Mormon religion. I don't know that
there's very many sex quite as very serious about certain
things other than you know, a few of us, right,
there's a few of us out there from these strange
different sects. But yours is even harder than mine, I
dare say, and corrupt as well, you know. And when

(02:27):
people people get so mad at me, they're like, oh,
you you're just saying this about my religion or that
religion or what about the Catholics. The answer is yes, absolutely,
there is no man between us and God here he ed.
I don't know why that is so absolutely difficult for people,
but for me it is not difficult anymore. And Kais

(02:49):
just said, no, I don't want to be a joiner.
I'm not a joiner.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah. Yes, they've told me to go hang myself, go
hang myself, drown myself, anything but the gun, the gun word,
you know. But yeah, that's savage, just savage.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's weird. And did you grow up then Jehovah's Witness
as well?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yes, yeah, I grew up with Joba's a Witness. Yeah.
And I would have rather have been a Mormon, believe
it or not, because holidays and the Mormons also allowed
you to pursue higher education, which the Job's witnesses do not.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Right though they had their hands in a lot of
educational things at the beginning. But hey, whatever, that's wild
to me. I think that, you know, the more shows
we do like this where we can show people that,
you know, God can exist without the constraints of a building,
and and and it's an amazing beautiful thing. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Jesus did say, you know, your body is your temple,
not Jesus Paul. Sorry, your body is your temple. Now,
no buildings. You don't have to report the buildings that
your body.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Takes absolutely one hundred percent. And I'm not saying that people.
You know, if they need fellowship and you want to worship,
that is great. My son goes and he worships, he
chooses Baptists, but I don't you know, he's not getting rebaptized.
But you know, he likes to be in worship, and
that's fine. I think that's fine. But whenever they put

(04:17):
the control leachh that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, yes, organized, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
There's so much more to this life and it depresses people.
I don't know. You tell me how you felt.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Uh, it was definitely, it was definitely a fight. But
I feel like that this had already been pre planned
for me to leave this religion with my wife and
do the work that we do constantly on social media
because personally, I've had ADHD for the longest time. So

(04:51):
during these I call him lodge meetings because let's be honest,
I mean the Joba's witnesses have stemmed from freemasons and
current job's and there's lots of them are freemasons and
Santa Ria witches and they're all in the witchcraft and
all this stuff. But they keep a hush hush, you know.
But I never really paid too much attention to their

(05:11):
words or what they were saying or doing. I was
always just reading the Bible, trying to disprove what they
were saying as they were saying it on the stage.
So that was that was, That was me the last
twenty five years. And even as a kid, I asked
a lot of questions, so much so that I always

(05:33):
talk to my wife about this, Like I got slapped
in the face by my mother for asking this question,
and that I mean, you corner them and they freak,
you know, yes, And eventually I ended up in what
they call an elders meeting or a judicial committee to
clear up any of my misunderstandings. You know, my wife,

(05:54):
you know, when you interbuted her, she lost her family
as well. And that's a price that I'm willing to
no problem. I'll do it for Jesus. It is hard,
but I pray for them. But you understand where they're
coming from because you were there once too, you know
that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And I applaud you guys for really taking the stand
that you have and being strong but also loving right like,
because if they came to you tomorrow, you would be
fine with it. But it's a vice.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, yeah, me too, Yeah, me, definitely.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's hard.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
That's it's a well planned, meticulous, you know thing. Religion
in general, it's so well done that people don't realize
that they're they're drowning, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
And and here's my question to you. You seem like
you have a zeal for Jesus right now, and did
you have that zeal when you were in the church.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Absolutely not. I'm glad you asked that question. I have
posted so many calendar videos about the Watchtower Society, which
is the head of the Job's witnesses, how they have
constantly insulted subliminally Jesus right to everyone's faces. But I
didn't even notice it when I was in it. You

(07:16):
don't see it. It's just this mental mind. F if
I don't know what other words, you.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Can say whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I am unfiltered, okay, okay, okay, So it's just like
this gradual thing. But yes, yeah, we knew about Jesus.
We talked about Jesus, but he was just this one guy.
And I posted videos where you can clearly see in
all the job's witness literature they have Jesus on a steak,

(07:48):
which I'll explain what that is in a minute. And
they never have hardly any blood on him. Even though
his flesh was ripped from his bones literally and he
suffocated a nasty death for us, they still want to
insult him. They don't put a crown of thorns on him. Nothing.
And the whole torture steak thing I recently learned is

(08:12):
because in the year eleven hundred, the Pope took the
butt buddies of the Freemasons, which are the Knights templar,
and they burned them at the steak. So this is
the way the Freemasons get back at Jesus, you know, like, Nope,
he didn't dine across, Nope, he didn't suffer, you know,
just because the Pope burned the Templars. Which I'm not

(08:35):
a big fan of the Pope or anything, but that
was warranted. Definitely, I would have did worse to them.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, and here's the situation. Whether it was like homosexuality
or whatever was happening with the Templars. We know this,
and the person I told you about before we went live,
we know that they were practiced seeing sex magic. That
is definitely there in their like when you when they

(09:08):
went through and found all of the things that the
Dead Sea scrolls and and they will gladly admit this
because what does it do. It validates that they should
be doing this instead. An episode with Ed Mabray and
he said that fornication isn't what people actually think it is.
It's actually practicing sex in a sexual magic way. Okay,

(09:33):
that is actually the definition. If you go to the
Hebrew and he does. Like anybody that wants to say
anything about Ed Mabray, y'all haven't seen him study like
he's he's on it, you know. And so when you
look at that, that changes everything. That that changes. And

(09:55):
now do I think it's good to just go willy
nilly sleeping with people? No, No, you your mind, use
your senses and say, hmm, this could give me a disease,
this could affect my life, this could make twenty babies
all at the same time. This is not smart. Use
your mind. It's not a green it's not a green light,

(10:16):
you know. But also it's not what they said it was.
And the only other commandment for the gentiles was that
we are not to eat the meat at the temple,
the temple offering meat. Okay, so that breaks down in
a different way. Now people are gonna say, oh, you

(10:37):
don't believe in the ten Commandments and we can just
kill people. Blah blah blah. No, if you are a
true Christian at heart, would you, right, would you hurt
your neighbor? Would you? Still? Would you? I don't think
you would?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
You know, the Kabbala where they believe that redemption is
through sin. Sin is hard as you can, is send
as much as you can. That's where you get your
redemption advertized.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Zeb Right, we get back to this guy that is
so interesting and I get the allure, like, let's be real.
I get the allure because until you have to sleep
with your kid or do that with a little person, Like,
let's be real, there are things that repults us for

(11:26):
a reason. Why would you want to edify something so heinous? Right?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely agree with that. Right.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
So do you think the JW's do Kabbala magic?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Absolutely? Absolutely, And the clip that I sent you a
small portion of. Yes, been working on it for about
a year, but you could show a clip of this
right here if you wanted. And anyways, this clip is
it stems from Kabbala, the Cabala, I should say. And

(12:03):
this explains why now anybody, not just Job's witnesses, anybody
in any religion on earth should be seeing this. Because
I went to a church here locally and I busted
the pastor doing the same thing, and I said to
my wife, no, wonder, this church is spiritually dead. Everybody

(12:24):
was sitting down. Nobody was, like, you know, on fire
for the Lord. The pastor was. I recognize how bad
he was by the fruits that he bare, and I'll
just say that much. But he was doing the same
thing with his hands. And what this does is explains
for anybody that it goes to reports to any building

(12:46):
at all, and allows someone to teach them they need
to be washing their hands very carefully. This will you show?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Will you show us an example or do you want
me to just spice spice in a little example If
it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
No, no, I'll do it. You have to be you
have to take an oath for this to work on
people once you take that oath. Everybody kind of has
their own signature handstyles, but basically they're all the same.
So if I did this with my with my hand,
my right hand here, this this is called the queue

(13:24):
a switch. All right? Uh, what's another one? If I
had this microphone, was my Bible and I put my
fingers on this like this, and I'm like pointing out
my Bible and maybe I pushed it a.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Little, and it's unnatural. Yeah, this is natural. This one
I could see because people do that. But not the
one you sent me about how they were holding the
book no way.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. This one is the plant chat
fingers like the plant chat for the Ouiji board. Uh.
The other one that I say you where he had
his hand on the Bible and he kept dropping his
pinky like this, he's unnaturally unnatural open the eye closed,
the eye open, the eye closed. But they're all doing it.
I just said that one showing that one guy, but
I've got a slew of these guys doing it. It's

(14:10):
called queuing or switching.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
It puts people in a dissociative state, so you kind
of like when you stare off at something. You know,
you're just kind of a trance that kind of thing,
and it it that is a frequency lowering thing that
they do, and it allows demons to work on you
and I will able.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
To and why and why right because think of how
many times you sat through church me too. The Mormons
do it too, and you are falling asleep. Yes, you're dreamed,
you feel like you're dying, Like maybe this is just
me because people are gonna say, no, I look okay, okay,

(14:52):
But like I'm telling you, guys, they are harnessing your
energy for.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
A reason, yes, energy harvesting it. They take the energy
from you and give it to the demons. And I
found one man in the entire world because when I
watched this JW crap every day and I was like,
wait a minute, he made that same procedure of gestures
in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen. He did the same thing

(15:19):
over and I'm like, what is that? And then I'm
looking at everybody else. I'm like, they're doing it too.
And I found one guy in the entire world that
was brave enough to write a book about it. And
I'm not plugging him. I have no idea who he is.
And the book was only ten bucks, but it tells
you everything you need to know. And it was this
one book here, and again I have no idea who

(15:41):
the man is. Will you?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Will you read the title for people that can't see
that sung.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yes, it's called written by Phil Bruce, which I'm sure
is a pseudonym Illuminati slash Masonic hand cues. And I
was able to identify every single hand to that these
sorry m efforts we're doing, and they've been doing it
to me, my children, my wife, my whole family. They've

(16:06):
been doing it for years. And the older ones what
they call the governing body, which is a Masonic term
by the way, they're very good at it. I mean,
is there fifty?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Is there fifty of them?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I was just curious.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh eight, seven or eight? Right now? I think the
most there's ever been is like fourteen at one time.
Got you? I got you because they don't you guys
have a governing body too.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, we have the twelve, and we have the top
three and then the twelve and then the korm of
the seventy. But we have a secret governing body called
the fifty. And this Committee of the fifty is actually
not made up of only Mormons, and they decide about
politics and like they run basically the politics of the church.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, I would be curious about that because Jovin's Witnesses
don't realize this, but Rabbi Schneerson is the one who
called all the shots for the Watchtower Society until his death,
and his successor now calls all the shots for the
Watchtower Society. And I wonder if he does it for
the Mormons too. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
He maybe on the board. They literally have non Mormon
entities on the board, and they're very you know, the
Mormons are very New World Order. They're very on board
with all of that. And let's not forget you know,
the Catholics and are very close buddies with the Mormons.

(17:34):
The Rothschilds want them the money to stay afloat back
in the day or they would have gone totally under.
So you know, everybody owes somebody something.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, you know, that's interesting because the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible
is called the New World Translation, but I call it
the New World Order Translation or the New Worst Translation.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Right, and and Joseph Smith has the Joseph Smith Translation, so.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's the dumbest book I've ever read. I cannot it
so hard I believe it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, you do know. Even Mark Twain said he couldn't
get through it basically it was boring. I can't remember
the exact quote, but it's hysterical. Oh, he said, I've
read Warren Peace and the Book of Mormon and I can't.
I would never read the Book of Morman again or something.
It was so funny, and I thought, yep, yep o,
my goodness.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
So well, everybody needs to be watching their church leaders, everybody,
because if they're doing these repeatedly, they get they need
to get out of there. This is this is the
cause for all the sexual uh immorality in churches and
uh just sin in general. These cues are what caused
you to sin. Ultimately, Sorry, I did throw.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
That a No, you're you're fine. This this is why
we're here. And I just think it's so interesting. You know,
when we talk about the elders or the top people
in the church or whatever, I mean, you guys have
some weird rules too, right, maybe do.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Tell me before you can't have a beard.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
You can't have a beard.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
You can't have a beard up until four and now
you can have a beard. They need a lot of
changes because the newest generation of Jeovah's witnesses, they are
not falling for it. They're leaving. They're telling their family,
I'm going to get a higher education. If you don't
want to talk to me, that's your choice.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And so you can't. You can't have a higher education.
What are some of the other rules?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
So the rules, okay, the higher education was just recently changed.
You're allowed to have additional education. They refuse to call
it higher education now, so you're allowed to have additional education.
You're allowed to wear have beards, women are allowed to
wear suit pants. Gosh, they're making a whole bunch changes.

(20:01):
I can't remember them off the top of my America.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, just even the old rules.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
You can't do holidays, yep, no birthdays, no Christmas. I
think they're going to be making an exception to birthdays
in the future. The blood you're not allowed to accept
blood transfusions. Yes, and you know why that is because
I know I can go down this rabbit hole with you.
You can't accept blood transfusions because blood is a currency

(20:28):
in the underworld, and so they've killed so many people
from this doctrine that has nothing to do with the
Bible at all.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
No, no, no, does have to do with the blood lines,
doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yes, it has a lot to do with the blood lines.
And that guy, that former head of the Satanic Church
in South Africa, Rion. I can't remember what what his
last name was, but anyways, he recently left the Church
of Satan and became a Christian. He had an encounter
with Jesus. But he tells everybody anything they want to know,

(21:06):
and he said that blood is a currency in the afterlife,
and Jesus has the most expensive blood. There's nothing more
expensive than his blood. But you can use it to
do certain things in the after world only until Jesus
shows up. It's all over.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
And so there's that one. What about you know, marriage
or do they have any stipulations on I don't know
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
No, even now, more so because they're losing. I mean,
the members are just like dumping water out of a
picture right now. They're making all kinds of exceptions to
the rules. They're trying to hold out to the twenty
thirty agenda. But marriage is you know, basically, you gotta
have a chaperone. It's probably similar to the Mormons. You're

(21:57):
not allowed to have sex before marriage, but if you do,
don't get caught, because we're gonna have to dis fellowship you.
So that's that's how that goes.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
That's what they call it for us as well, this
fellowship and sports.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Can't pursue sports that one, yeah, cannot pursue sports at
a half paid scholarship the University of Florida when I
was sixteen, not allowed. Nope. My parents said nope. I
was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
About how about anything like the most random rule you
can think of, like weird stuff where people would go, really,
you got any Oh.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, there's ones that they don't really enforce or even
talk about anymore. And what the heck is it? Oh,
you're you're not even allowed to go look at the
Christmas lights, you know, because they're pretty. You know, you
can't even do that. But most job's with his families
did go like Christmas light.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
They're like, don't tell anyone.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah exactly undercover. Yeah. Yeah. My father was an elder too,
and he would say that don't tell a soul. There
was a lot of random, stupid rules, but that they
don't enforce anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, I mean, if you think of anything, you can
tell me. But I always find it fascinating to go
down these little comparisons because when you had your wife
on me and her, we have the one drop rule
and you guys have the one drop rule. So that
was really interesting to me. I mean, they got rid,
they got rid of it, right, Like I don't know
you guys. I don't know if you guys did get

(23:39):
rid of it, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I'm not sure I've been race mixing.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Do they race mix?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Okay, that's a good one. Uh So if you're if
you're a white Caucasian and your family's high in the ranks,
don't you dare go outside of your race. My wife's
uncle wanted to marry this black lady and he his
parents said, no, you can't do it. You'll be removed

(24:10):
from your position if you do.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Isn't that something still to this day for them?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Then still to this day, he finally married a very
white Latino lady, but then they got divorced.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, and that's interesting too, Like I don't know about
for the JW's, but for the Mormons, it was specifically
black people, A little bit different for Native Americans definitely different.
You know, Gnostics as well. Back in the day, the
Eskimos and the Asian people were included, as well as

(24:46):
some Armenian people and different different like Middle Eastern people.
We were considered okay. It was like okay, I don't know, Oh,
it gets super wild because they have, yeah, have like
the gnostic knowledge. But for LDS people it was very
specifically black people. They might raise an eyebrow if it

(25:09):
was a Latina person, but not too far, and if
it was Asian or whatever, they didn't care.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
They were like, will you will you tell me about
this magic hat and Joe Smith because I'm getting big
stories about it.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yes, okay, so what about his magic hat? What would
you like to see?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
So I heard that he would charge people to find
treasure by looking into this hat, and he sometimes what
he charged would be more than what the treasure he found,
you know, like, so they're at a loss and he's
at a gag kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
That's ward well, And he translated the whole Book of
Mormon with the hat and a searstone instead of what
he said he translated it with, which originally was something
called the urim and thumbum and that was found out
to be a fraud. They kind of came out with
this a couple of years ago and said, yeah, so what,

(26:07):
here's the hat and they took a picture and the
profit of the church was like, look at my hat,
like here it is. And we were told this wasn't true.
So this was I was out, but I was still rocked,
like I was like what And so yes, Joseph Smith
was brought up on charges for sucking at treasure treasure digging.

(26:27):
You're correct, right, so this is proof proof positive that
he definitely was doing that. His family was a magical
family steeped in the Kabala and you know they yeah,
peep stones. Actually, the the group of men that went
and dug for treasure what was called the rodsmen because

(26:49):
they also used divining rods all kinds of stuff. They
would They had no shame in their game. But the
church will say, oh, everybody was doing that back then, Yes.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yes, you're every's crooked religion was.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Exactly do you guys have any special I guess artifacts
that helped your church come about?

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Uh? The only thing is, well, there's two things. So
we have our governing body, which is currently eight guys.
I always say it's seven and a half white men
in New York that direct the entire globe of Joan's
witnesses because the one guy is half half black, half white,

(27:33):
but one right. So for since the religion started, they
would say the governing body, no, I'm sorry. Since seventy two,
that's when they officially recognized the governing body, they would say,
the governing body is inspired by God. They channeled God's
thoughts through them, and then they give it to us.

(27:55):
And that is the biggest thing lately that they've been
called out on. I mean, I've done many videos on it.
How much bullshit it is. You know, it's such a lie.
And so now they come out and say there's no
there's no more inspiration anymore. It's gone saying oh yeah,
now everything's changed.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
So still apparently, I guess the magic hat worked. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh gosh. For the longest time, there was no governing body.
It was just one president, and they eventually changed that
because they didn't want all the power being in the
hand of one guy. So in the seventies seventy two
or three, they came out with the governing Body, which
is a Masonic term as well.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Right, right, And do they have like a president or prophet.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Or no president, no profit they you can certainly tell
who has the seniority amongst the governing body. That's that's
for certain. But lately they are just scrounging to to
stop the leak. I mean not literally their leaking members,
but there's also a leak at their headquarters that is

(29:08):
leaking documentation. And to me and my wife and everybody,
it's just j W J.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
W water in the.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, they're all over the globe these I'm thankful that
they're that they're doing these things I you asked about
like a special hat or whatever. I was telling you
about this earlier that I just busted them fraudilizing a
septuagen uh from it. In Egypt, they said that they

(29:40):
found a fragment with y H w H on their
yalway you know which yahwei that the way they write
it and the way it's been found, it's in modern Hebrews,
so there's no way it could be from the Old Testament,
first of all. And I was able to adjust the
contrast and match it up with the original fragment found

(30:03):
and you can clearly see that it's a fake. Clearly
see that it's a fake. So I'll be releasing that
video hopefully tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Actually, wow, I mean they'll do anything right, and and
for people like not just with JW's or the Mormons
or whatever, that should be an eye opener when you
know that they can. They are not canned. They are
doing this stuff. I mean frauds broad right, Yeah, Huckster's

(30:31):
for sure. And that's kind of concerning because you know,
Jehovah's witnesses are I mean, they're up there with you know,
the other religions, maybe not quite as big, but their
a presence.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, you know, yeah, they they're claiming nine million, but
I've heard that they're counting deceased members now, so I'm
putting their number a half of that.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Wow. And then inactivity and you know whatever, so.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
In activity exactly yep.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
So do they believe in an after an after life
like marriage or any kind of pre mortal existence or
any of that stuff. I don't know much about.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
They say, when you die, you just go to sleep
and that's the end of it. There's no hell, there's
no nothing. And then Jehovah, who is actually an eyeball
from the Kabbala, Jehovah's going to resurrect you with his eyes,
his eyeball or whatever. And that's a recent thing that
I just figured out. But yeah, you're dead. They have

(31:35):
Jehovah's witnesses as complacent as possible because they want them
down in hell with them. And even though Luke seventeen
actually shows a very vivid description of hell, a scary
description of it, they dance around it. They never read
that scripture. It's in none of their publications. It's awful,

(31:58):
that's scary. Yeah, they have no idea where they could
be going.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
And you mentioned even witchcraft. What was a little bit
about that. I'm not sure I've ever heard that.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yes, there's a lot of witchcraft actually. So this is
one of their publications right here, Mankind the Search for God.
And I know it's a little weird to hold up
the camera, but the inside cover has all these different
false religion religious flags on them. But the whole book

(32:31):
it acts like it, I mean literally, they tell you
how to do seances, they tell you how to do spells.
They're saying, here's how you do it, but you shouldn't
do it. But you know, my sister became a witch
after leaving that religion because that's what we were taught because.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
She knew how already. Isn't that terrible?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Like yep, Wow, where's the other book I have? I
got another book where I translated the Tarot cards on
page ninety seven, and it basically, look at these tarot cards.
I don't know if you can see though they're not a.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Little bit a little bit.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, they basically translate to the watch Tower, which is
their headquarters. Will will come in and disrupt your life
and ultimately lead you to your death. That's what they
translate to. Isn't that something?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
What? What is the Watchtower? For those that don't know,
say that people have never, you know, heard of this
once in their whole life.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Okay, so they have the famous Watchtower magazine, but I
call it the watch out Tower. But basically it means
like they're in a watch tower and they're watching for God,
you know, to do his thing. That's like the whole
thing about it. But really it comes from Cabbalism. Then

(33:58):
they have the Awake magazine. I call it the a
sleek magazine. The Awake magazine is where you find the
most damning evidence because they know, nobody really reads it. No,
Jehovah's witnesses read it. Just people outside of the organization,
and that's where they put their most damning evidence is
in the Awake magazine.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Interesting, very interesting, and I know, you know with the
beginnings of this, I mean it started with well, I'll
let you tell the story, but uh, you know, it
seems like everything that it started from then became not
what they want you to do. Like he was obviously
out of college. I don't understand what happened there, but.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, yeah, so that was That's what I try to
tell Joba's witnesses is during the time that this religion started,
there was a lot of religions starting and people greedy, wicked,
self loathing. People would see other peop people preaching and

(35:01):
people were donating money to them for preaching, and they
would say, well, I could do the same thing, you know,
that kind of thing, and that's not what that means
in the Bible. So they go start their own religion,
and go start their own religion. There was just so
many religions starting it and it religion is Babylon the
Great Period. But it's like you're just another one of

(35:22):
those religions. There's nothing special about this religion, even though
we were told that it was. It was very special,
and they would, you know, make fun of the Catholics
and the Mormons. But now they're like bud buddies with
the Mormons. Now they realized they're bold Masons. So it's
just Rutherford was the guy that took over after the

(35:48):
founder died, Joseph F. Rutherford, who was arrested for bank
robbery and was a judge. But he was a self
appointed judge. He wasn't It's not like he worked as
way up the ranks. The real judge got sick for
like a month and he bullied his way onto the bench.
So he was judged for a month. And now suddenly

(36:09):
he's Judge Rutherford. Judge Rutherford, you know, Judge Rutherford. And
that guy was a cabalist and he changed the entire
religion completely.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
H And we you know, one of the only people
I really know about this whole religion is Charles Hayes
Russell because skull and Bones, and it is just a
fascinating connection when you look at that. I think probably
likely the JW's have always been very close friends with

(36:41):
the Mormons. They just kept it under wraps, is my guest.
But a little bit about him if you have anything
on that whole situation and the founding and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
So I was able to find him related to the
skull and bones, but it wasn't. Not yet have I
been able to find damning evidence like directly connecting him.
But I was able to find video of him because
I don't know if you know this, but Freemasons have
certain stances that they do with their feet, and I

(37:14):
got him on video many times forming the square encompass
with his feet repeatedly, and all the rest of these
guys up until today they do the square compass with
their feet, and then you know, you got the master
Mason stance. Then you got the first degree stance. And
they were all doing it. They're all doing it. They're
all Masons. No way somebody can deny this evidence. But

(37:38):
now they can't help himself. It's like a stupid little
treehouse club kind of just for boys, you know, right, Yes.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
And ultimately a lot of things lead back, at least
what I've studied to a divine feminine I don't know
if that happens secretly with the JW's or not.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
But uh okay, so uh that word y h w
H is actually a.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
It's the feminine part of God. So yes, definitely, it's.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
All a boys club until you figure out what they're worshiping,
and then it's.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
They have no idea. Yeah, they're worshiping demons. It's awful,
and I know they always get thrown back by I'm
not worshiping demons, but you are.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Fallen angel? Didn't didn't they start with a fallen or
well with an angel. I know they wouldn't say a
fallen angel.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
But so basically, you take the words y h w H,
and you can make seventy two names of fallen angels
from just y h w H. And those are and
it comes from Leviticus fourteen, nineteen twenty and twenty one.
It's a code that you use and you can create

(39:07):
seventy two freaking names from those four letters. It's it's
a it's a weird thing, but it's also stupid.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well, and they believe like this whole Michael Archangel, Yeah, yeah,
and so and and I do think it's funny because
you know, in the well, and I'm sure it's because
they're all Masons, but in the Mormons. They also speak
about these different you know, angels being involved, and Michael

(39:38):
became Adam and I don't know, I just did that.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
But yeah, And you know, the more I read what
Jesus says repeatedly, I understand why he says these things
because he knows what we're up against, and he made
it so simple for us have faith and believe that's
it we're up against.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know. It's awful, Yeah, yeah, especially when they make
it so obfuscated, like if Michael is Jesus, like maybe
somebody else's somebody else. I mean, it just seems like
it could evolve into a really negative space. I don't know, Yes, yeah,
because what if he's Peter tomorrow. I mean, like what
if they want to change it around? You know that

(40:21):
that seems scary a little bit. So do they do
they believe in the actual Jesus?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Okay, some of them believe he existed, but but he
was just an ordinary guy that trained with Buddha. The
thirty years he was gone, he was off doing practicing magic.
Or they say he was in the scene set sect
and they say that Mary wasn't a scene. The scenes,

(40:51):
in my point of view, were the good Jews. They
left Israel because it was so wicked. So the scenes,
in my opinion, we're good guys trying to do the
right thing, but it's just it's so awful. The whole
system is built on extortion and blackmail. So, for instance,

(41:18):
if an elder of a congregation gets caught doing something
terrible to a child, this is how this works. You ready, Yeah,
So they'll let it go for a while, and then
this person, this elder or ministerial servant, will keep repeating
this offense, either with the same person or several child.

(41:40):
I mean, and if the wife doesn't do anything about this,
now they got her blackmailed as well as the husband.
So now you are going to do our bidding unless
you want to go to prison. This is how this works.
This is exactly the same with the Mormons. Spoke with

(42:00):
a Mormon about this Atlin. You're going to do our
bidding or you go to prison, to your choice. And
this is why you know married couples job's wizes will
get invited up to Beth or the Watchtower main headquarters
because they're both blackmailed. They're screwed. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Oh wow, And politics wise, I think you know, money
plays a big part. I don't know if how involved
they are, if they're involved in three letter agencies.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Or they tell us not to be involved with politics,
but they are heavily involved with politics. Six weeks they
got a video proving it. And they absolutely hate Trump.
They hate him because Trump is said to he's going
to be carrying out the forty five thousand sealed indictments.

(42:53):
I don't know if you've ever heard of that, but
they're on it.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Oh man, Yeah, so they don't they don't like all
that's wild. Yeah, it seems like it's just, you know,
another sect of people that are covering up bad business.
I guess that's it.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
That's it, you know. I always thought I've heard of, like,
you know, Mormons have the same problem Joba's Witnesses doing
so do Catholics. They have problems with mental health and
you know, anxiety and depression and suicide and all this stuff.
And I would always ask my mother when I was
a child, like why did these bad things keep happening

(43:32):
to us? Why? You know, like just it seem every day.
And my mother would say, well, it's the Kennedy curse.
And I'm like, we're not Kennedy's. But my mother said,
we picked up the curse when we worked for the
Kennedy So my mother worked for Jack, Jacqueline and John

(43:53):
nineteen sixty six and nineteen sixty seven, I think is
what she said. And so now I know the real
reason for the curse is stupid religion. And John was
killed because he was going to speak out against the Masons.
That's it. That's it.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Wow, that's wild that she kind of worked, you know,
real close something that that's wow. I mean, there's so
much with both of those people that it is such
a it is such a deep web that I've literally
gotten to the point where I'm like, Okay, it's everybody,
it's all of them, and I don't know everybody's Yeah.

(44:31):
It just seems like once people get to a certain level,
you know, they have enough dirt on you, like you said,
to make you do what they want.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
That's it. I've also heard of like if somebody's got
a special talent that the Watchtower Society wants. This is
what they say in Hollywood too. If you get invited
to a party of someone big, don't go. So they'll
invite somebody, you know to hang out or to go
somewhere or whatever, and they'll invite this job of his

(45:04):
witness and they'll just bring out children with no clothes on.
That's it. You're done, you're in, you know what I mean,
they've got you.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Oh yeah, that's I mean. Yeah, even if you're innocent
and you leave, how do you come back from that?
If they're taking photos or exactly?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, that's rough.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, this seems like another you know,
another spiral down with all of this stuff. But with
the Freemason stuff, they're obviously nodding to what controls this
this world, like, so they have to be involved at
some level in general.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Anyway, isn't my yeah, yep, yep, something something. Wow, that's yeah,
that's and even just putting the blanket over it, any
religion that does that, it's it's just you know, irreprehensible.
We can't just pretend that that's okay.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Like exactly, yeah, these are you're ruining people's lives and
it doesn't just ruin it for that moment. It ruins
a lot of their lives. People that have to get
over sexual abuse stuff or even you know abuse. Yeah,
it's just that's that's not something you bounce.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, I have two siblings that My father did that
too for over a decade and he got a slap
on the wrist. They said, well, you just can't say
prayers anymore at the lodge meetings. But I'm really mean
the Job's Witness meetings. But I mocked that and call
lodge meetings. But that's what they told my dad. That's it.
No police were called, no nothing. You just can't say

(46:47):
prayers anymore. And if you imagine that Job's Witness has
been around for one hundred and forty years, the Mormon's
even longer, how many hundreds of thousands of children? Has
this happened? Millions? And it's called compounded generational sin? Is
what that is?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, well they encourage it if we go back to
you know, if they are following like where's advatised semi
when like he was kind of he was, you know,
doing some very bad things on purpose, right, because they
want to bring about I don't know if that's how
they feel, but they're trying, you know, to bring this about.
I mean I've always known that on the on the level,

(47:28):
they look like good Christian, you know whatever, God fearing people.
But but there is that elite, and you always have
to wonder, like, you know, are they practicing this stuff?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yeah, they're all in on it. They're all doing it
behind our backs. And like the job's wittesses that they
have no idea that their leadership and these people that
work at the headquarters are carrying out seances and they
are satanically charging shipments of their publications before before they leave.
It's incredible, It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
So have you ever heard from like somebody that was
involved with stuff like that or you.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Know, yes, So it's that Rion guy again, the former
head of the Satanic Church South Africa. He has a
plethora of gold information. And the way he said was movies,
everything it will be satanically charged before it leaves the

(48:31):
warehouse or in the movies they put satanically charged symbolism
that you can't actually see. What was the other thing
that he said. Another former Satanist said that he was
asked to go and put spells on a certain goth

(48:53):
like store that's in almost every mall across America. I
can't say the name, and he didn't either, And because
the guy was struggling in business and so he got
paid a lot of money he was a wizard. Actually,
they paid him a ton of money, and he went
through the warehouse where all the goods were and he
was putting spells on everything. He was there for days

(49:15):
and now they're everywhere.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
You see how that worked.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
That is wild. You did tell me to ask you
about something that was intriguing about these pythons in Florida.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Okay, I made a little video about my background in
the in the reptile world. So I grew up in
the reptile business in South Florida. And our store was
in West Palm Beach, Florida, which is about an hour
north of Miami and the Everglades. The border of the

(49:51):
Everglades is not far from where our store was, not
far at all. And I had a pet store here
in Houston for thirteen years. It was very successful. And
that'll be another story, I guess, because I just closed it.
And this is all I do now, even though I
was perfectly fine, but what I wanted, when I wanted, whenever,

(50:12):
wherever I wanted, you know. But so there's a there's
invasive species in Everglades right now. Pythons, Burmese pythons and
reticulated pythons are the biggest ones, and there's also caymans
and oscar fish. There's another fish I can't think of

(50:36):
the name of it right now. That's really bad, really
really bad. But it was said that the reason for
the invasive species, as far as the snakes go, anyway,
that burmese python, reticulated python was because of Hurricane Andrew
that swept through South Florida and a guy had like
a breeding facility that got damaged in that snakes gotta lose. Now,

(51:00):
I'm not saying that that didn't help, you know, the
evasive specie population. It did just a little. But our
family between nineteen ninety now, I'm gonna say eighty eight
to two thousand, we sold over thirty thousand baby Burmese pythons, uh,

(51:24):
twenty something thousand reticulated pythons. I'm trying to remember the numbers.
My father told me, and this is the God's honest
truth of what happened. We had a huge store and
there was a local news story of boys. There was
a very young couple, there were still teenagers. Their Burmese

(51:44):
python broke out of their cage and ate their newborn baby,
and so everybody was bringing their pythons to our store
saying we don't want it. We didn't want it anymore.
This is dangerous. So we were taking them. We even
had like this giant cage built for them and everything.
And then as people were calling to donate their giant pythons.

(52:06):
I mean there was one that was like nineteen feet long.
It was a reticulated path. I remember when four of
us had to carry it in. My dad said, we
can't take any more pythons. And we're just kids, you know.
He said, tell them to go. Let it go in
the Everglades. It'll be just fine. And this was thousands
of customers we sent to the Everglades. And this is

(52:29):
something that I've always kept to myself. You're the first
person besides my wife to hear about this. This is
the first time it'll ever be public. And this our
family was the biggest donator to the the invasive species
of burmese and reticulated pythons in South Florida, single handedly,

(52:52):
hands down. I had no idea what we were doing.
I was like thirteen at the time. We had no
idea that it would you know, it would grow like
they did. So it wasn't just that guy during the hurricane.
I mean I think he said he had like half
a dozen of this and half dozen that was nothing
compared Wow, but so many it was incredible. So there's

(53:16):
that whoa, Yeah, that's wild. Oh man, huge problem. It's
been on national news many times and I've always watched
it and just kept hush about it. But it needs
to be said, right.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Right, to get that out there, to let people know that,
you know, I mean, it obviously came from somewhere, and
I think you're right, it can't just be the one.
It's never just one guy, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Never just one. It's a huge responsibility having a reptile
like that because you know, you got to go find
rabbits or chickens to feed it, and you need to
feed it twenty foot or it's gonna eat four or five,
you know, three four pound rabbits in a single day.
I mean, it's just.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Responsib Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
And and people need to be you know, responsible with pets,
but of course a business even more so, right like
definitely oh man. Well, and you know, all of this
stuff just goes to show you like we have to
live like we say we're going to live. Like if
if you you know, everybody was worried about We're recording
this on the day that was supposed to be the rapture, right,

(54:25):
and everybody's freaking out about it. And and this is
the thing, right if you are always ready. Now I'm
not perfect, but I try to keep my house in order, okay,
And then you just live like that. Then one day
when it does happen, you'll just be like, oh, hey,
real cool, you know, like you don't have to worry
about this stuff or put a whole bunch into these

(54:48):
things when we don't. We've seen people fail at this
time and time.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Are they doomsday type people over at the JW's as well, Yes.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
But not for like you know, they don't believe in
the rapture or anything like that. But they're definitely like
the end is almost near, the end is almost here.
They plant fear and you know, fear mongering is all
it is. They they want to scare you back to
the next lodge meeting or the meeting, you know, but
that's all it is. They fear monger, fear monger. I've

(55:24):
put out many videos how they mentioned these negative words
about it's just ridiculous. I have to send you a
link to one. It is so outrageous, Like why are
we talking about this? Like you might have suicidal thoughts depression,
And they go on for like forty minutes about this,
and I'm like, oh my god, this is unreal.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Well, I mean, I think they probably just have to
say something because they don't let you guys do regular doctors. Right,
do they let you guys do medicine and stuff? I
don't even know.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
So they used to say vaccinations were of the devil
and they discourage back vaccinations.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
But I mean, I'm half I'm half in on that.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
One, okay, but not a horrid okay. I see, yeah,
that's a lot of people. But for the COVID vaccine.
When COVID first started March twenty twenty, they didn't say
anything about it. Then March April May went by, but
in their June broadcast, suddenly they're pushing vaccine, saying you
need to go get vaccinated, go get back. I'm like,

(56:26):
what the app is going on a little bit of research,
they get one hundred and twenty one million dollars for
pushing the vaccine and setting up these sites on all
these Kingdom halls where people can get the vaccine money.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
The LDS did the same and said an club, go
be a good global citizen and it's done. And I
you know, I am half in and half out. Like
I said, I think the old school stuff is one thing,
but this new mRNA situation not miss me with that one.
You know, people can do whatever they want. People commented, Oh,

(57:04):
she started bashing this or doing that. Listen, you can
do whatever you want, but also I should be able
to do whatever I want.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, exactly exactly. Aren't they interfering with your rights by
telling you that you're doing that? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
No, it's not good because a lot of people put
one hundred percent faith in whatever, like the prophet says,
or in your case, that the eight people whatever, that
they are going to go do it even if they
didn't want to do it, because they were told that
this is good.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
And I'm not knocking anybody that gets the vaccination code.
It doesn't matter to me either way. Get it if
you want or don't. I'm not gonna make fun of
you or nothing. It's your choice, that's it.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
But it should never be your clergy's choice. That should
be up to your doctor.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is very wild, even though I
found plenty of articles in their publications where they say
the vaccinations are evil and they're of.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Satan and all this crap. Wow one and twenty one
million dollars or not.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, then it's okay, right, especially if they're struggling, especially
if they're struggling, and not to say that their their body,
their church body, I'm sure is good people. It's like
I always say about the Mormons, like it's not the people.
They don't even know half the time, like what's happening
or what's going on at these high levels, nor do
they want to know right right right, let me be

(58:34):
And they're just like let me, let me believe what
this is. And they don't want to look and see
maybe their leader's crupt, like oh my gosh. You know.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah, we call them checkbox witness. Well, my wife and
I do. It's like, you know, all right, I went
to the two meetings this week and I did this
check check check. I'm good. You know.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
That's how Mormons are too. And I want to tell
people like that keeps you from a true relationship with
Christ and I think that's probably in my guess. I mean,
I'm just I don't know for sure, but it seems
to me that that's what happened with you and your
wife as you guys got out and went, wait a minute,
this is this seems like Jesus not checking boxes, right.

(59:20):
I don't know. I would love to hear your testimony
on that.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Well it was I had to. I don't know. Did
she tell you the story how we met?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I can't remember. It's been a minute. I'd love to
hear her, and.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I'll say it really fast because it's kind of dragged out.
There was a memorial in West Palm Beach for Jesus
that the Jovah's Witnesses hold once a year, and my
mother I was not going to the Jovah's witness stuff
at all. And my mother said that my friend, who
was a weatherman in that city, was going to be
going to this job's wits memorial, even though he's not

(59:54):
a job's winness himself. And I was like, oh, that's cool.
As she goes, well, why don't you go and you know,
say hi to over whatever, and I was like, all right,
I'll go. Anyways, I went to go leave my apartment complex.
I'm in my early twenty mid twenties, and I couldn't
leave because a guy had committed suicide in our and
our complex. So they had all the gates shut, nobody

(01:00:16):
and nobody out, and then finally they.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Live, wait, sorry, I got to you couldn't leave because
a guy had committed you know, s side, do it okay?
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
And so the cops were like, nobody and nobody out,
and that's how it was. So I waited about twenty
minutes and they finally let us go. I'm trying to
get there in a hurry and I'm trying to get over,
but none of the Jehovah's witnesses would let me into
this long line of traffic going into this event. And
so I pulled up next to a white, random, white car,

(01:00:51):
and I held up my Bible like, hey, I'm going
the same place you are. Can you let me in?
And that person was let me in. And then I
did shark fishing at night, so I had a bunch
of ziploc bags on me and stuff, and so I
put a little note with my name and phone number.
You're gonna love this saying thank you for letting me in.

(01:01:12):
I appreciate it, and I stuck it on her windshield
and I didn't think she was gonna call so quickly,
but apparently she called before I got home, and my girlfriend,
oh wow, my current girlfriend answered the phone and here

(01:01:36):
I am going out my phone. Yeah so yeah, yeah,
and so anyways, so much for that girlfriend. And then
I ended up that person that let me in in
the traffic is my wife. Ah, So I had to

(01:01:58):
go back into the lines. Then for about twenty years,
you know, waiting for her to do her thing and
wake up. And but when she started to wake up,
I started spilling the beans about everything, like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
You guess what, guess what? Look at this? That's how
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Oh my gosh. Well and praise God, like you know,
you guys have been able to to save your family
and your children, you know, and all this stuff. Like
someday you and I, though we may lack some of
our other family, we're gonna look down at our posterity
and say, look at look at this. You know, not
that you've lost Jesus, You've probably found jesusmart No.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yes, definitely, yeah. Wearing a cross of Jobah's witness wearing
a cross is like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Oh, Mormons too, it's it's against it's against everything. If
you were across to a Mormon church, they would scal
at you for all day long.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Oh wow, they divert you from Jesus, just like the
Johovah's witnesses deal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
That's because it's not a true you know. I don't
like to tell people and blackpill them, but like what
you said about the one person that took over, who
was it that led it into kaba la? Yes, this
like Mormons will never say that, but it was already
steeped in it because they don't they don't understand what

(01:03:28):
I'm saying. Like for these people that are just nice
and doing their checkboxes and all that, they don't know
any of this stuff. And it's sad. And that's why
we have people always say just shut up, you know,
like why can't you just move on with your life.
I'm sure you get it, yes, right, right. And here's

(01:03:49):
the thing. There's certain people in this world where when
they walk by a drowning person, they say, huh, I'll
call nine one one and wait over here, and there's
other people that will jump in and save them. Okay,
And I think those of us that are that type
where we just jump in even if it almost cost
me my life, I would probably I know I would.

(01:04:09):
I don't think when when I see something happen, which
is what makes me a nurse, a good nurse, I
just do it and then you know, to hell with it.
The consequences come later. I mean, I have a bad back.
Like if I even had to lift a three hundred
pounds man, I probably would. I'd probably be really hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
You know, boy, that's a really weird analogy because I
have a reoccurring dream that I'm trying to say, but
Jehovah's witness from drowning. Ah, they and they tell you
are don't Yeah, they say stop, don't help me. That's
what they tell me. They say, don't help me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Well, because it's so hard to lose. So for those
people out there that are hearing this, this is the
point of this podcast, we understand. It is so hard
to lose your identity, your family, your church, family, your
your place to be on Sunday or whatever day, like
you know it. It is a full loss. It is

(01:05:06):
almost like a death in my at least for me.
And so that's why I love to speak to people
such as yourself and and other ex Mormons and whatever,
because it's so hard. No one can understand that. But
somebody that's been through it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Mean, now what Jesus said, whoever has greater love for mother, father, son,
or daughter because he knew this was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Oh yeah, it's so. It's so hard and it's and
it's really sad. But we're not doing it. Yes, we're
pointing fingers and saying you do this, this, this okay,
and and they do. We can prove that. But we're
also saying, hey, you people in the middle that don't
know anything about this, you might want to watch this,

(01:05:52):
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Yeah, yes, I agree. I agree on the fence.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yeah yeah, what is your I guess what is like?
Anything that you want to leave the listeners with, like
to comfort them or help them or how you feel
now any of that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Okay. Since I came out of religion, I will tell
them what the changes I've experienced. I've never had another
nightmare in I since I've been baptized properly. That was
a huge issue for me. Night terrors, sweating the smell
of sulfur, what they call uh sleep paralysis, which is

(01:06:34):
really demons I suffered with that. I cannot tell you
the peace that I'm experiencing with my family. I'm so serious.
And I know that you know, Joe's witness and Mormons saying, well,
that's kid, you're off doing what you want to deal
and you're you're committing adultery and doing drugs. But that's

(01:06:54):
the case. It's not the case at all. It is
just read exactly what Jesus said, nothing else, you know,
if you've got a red letter edition, read what he
said and nothing else, and just concentrate on that, because
he is the only thing that matters to us, not
an eyeball named Jehovah, not Joseph Smith. There's nobody that

(01:07:18):
matters that should matter to us but Jesus, and that
is it. He provides so well for our family, you know,
with the peace, and everything we need is provided for.
When that Jehovah never answered my prayers when we're being
abused by my father. He doesn't answer shit because he's

(01:07:40):
not real. And even if a fallen angel did name Jehovah,
did hear my prayer, They're not gonna help me. They
would rather me die and be down in the pit
with them, find Jesus. They hate us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
The fallen angels have proven time and time again they
are not on our side there. Yeah, So whether it's
names Maroni or Michael is really irrelevant. It's just the
point is is you know, when you're sending worship, whether
you know it or not to something else, God sees it.

(01:08:17):
You know, we we know that now. And and I'm
sure you were just blown away. I don't know if
you knew about masonry while you were in but like
the eyeball and the sky thing, I'm sure you were
like hello, yeah, yeah, I bet you were.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Just thrown them all the time On TikTok, I have
like AI pictures of eyeballs with a cape on flying
to the clouds.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Yeah, it's angels. Well, there are angels that look like that.
Like if you guys see like weird drawings of angels,
the eyeball thing is is there. And so but they'll say, oh,
that wasn't How can you prove that was a fallen angel?
Can't prove anything. All we can tell you is our
experiences and if you want to say where you are,

(01:09:04):
that's just fine, but we have to at least tell
our story. I guess you know, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I think the most important scripture for a job's winn
It's or Mormon is there is no other name under
heaven in which to be saved, and that is Jesus Christ.
That is it. That is all your concerns should be.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
And even if they come with another book, don't believe them.
Don't believe them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
So many books.

Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's always that way, you know, like, hey,
write a book, Satan, I'll tell him, hey, write a book.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah, well he has over and over and over again,
even with dark religions, even with so called light religion,
it's always the same thing. It's all. And then they
get into weird sin exchange for it, and that's you know,
that gets weird. But I am so happy that you

(01:10:00):
able to save your wife, save your family. You know. Well,
I guess you guys probably saved each other, you know Jesus. Yeah,
oh well, Jesus is the only way. Yeah, but to
get out together, it sometimes breaks the family apart. And
I'm so grateful that that wasn't your guys's case. Like
you came together strong and that's that's core group. Yeah,

(01:10:24):
that's great. So you let my viewers one more time.
Let everybody know where to find you and see all
your awesome work.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Mostly on TikTok and YouTube. I have an Instagram, but
don't even bother it's but anyways, it's the helpful x
E x JW. And that's both TikTok and YouTube. Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Well, that is awesome, and I applaud you. It is
not easy, despite what people think, to come out of
a religion that controls your life and your family and
everything and just lose everything and be like, oh, that's fine,
it's not it's not. Oh you're just sitting and having
a good time. No, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, but you know, I'm doing Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
You're more in Jesus. Yeah, you're more in Jesus now,
and you're you're trying to spread the word. And I
find that just really good. I watch your wife's stuff
all the time, and I just, you know, I praise
God for the fact that you guys are able to
get that out there, because we never know who we're
going to touch, you know, And so yeah, I applaud that,

(01:11:36):
and I thank you for coming on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
People. I can speak to you on this level.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
You know, right, it is it feels like, you know,
we're in this strange alone, sad club, you know. I
I had a listener reach out to me and they said, oh,
I think I know. No, it was a podcaster they said,
and I, oh, I think I know who you are.
You're that girl that everybody hates in Utah. I was

(01:12:07):
like yeah. I was like, oh my gosh. And then
they said I'm sorry, and I'm like, it's okay. Yeah,
But they didn't mean it in a in a sad
like way. It just came out like that, and I
was like, it's okay, yeah, because it really isn't. But
how many people have really had an easy time when

(01:12:31):
they truly gave up everything and follow Jesus right exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
It's rough. It's been so lovely. I can't even tell
you it's been so lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yes, yes, we got to pick up our cross and
we've got to you know, at least show people, even
if we're by ourselves doing it alone, you know, and
at least prayer.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Yes, yes, yes, you will answer prayer. The other God
did not right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Right, right, God faults well because he knew right, you're yeah,
when you're praying to a false god, he's not gonna
step in for that. And I feel like you, you
know a lot of times when I was in Mormonism,
it's not at all the reason why I left, because
people will say that's why she let no No. I
was always having a lot of problems, not that I

(01:13:20):
don't have problems today, but they were very dire and
it seemed like what you said, no matter how many
blessings I got, no matter how many whatever, it wasn't
it wasn't coming through, you know, and people will say
with us because you didn't do all the things that's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Not I hate that. I hate that. Are you going
to enough meetings? Are you commenting at the meetings enough?
Or you going door to door service? This is why
this is happening to you, because you're a bad JW.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, and and any I don't know about you, but
there is some people in our lives that we are
still around that are lds that you know they'll they'll
seek in their minds or have actually audibly said to me, well,
if you guys went back to church, that wouldn't happen
if you do have a legitimate thing. Crap happens to
people all the time, right, I mean, we we both

(01:14:13):
know that and that's not it, but like they'll use
that kind of to try and get.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
You in to a building again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Ever I won't either. Well, I'll go with somebody if
they would need my help, like with fellowship or something
like or if my son is singing, I'll go stuff
like that, but I won't go in an LDS church.
And we we we will show up because it's this
is so awkward. But I know you'll understand. When the

(01:14:47):
kids get baptized, like the nieces and nephews, we go,
but we stay outside and we wait for like the
party or whatever we go to that. Yeah, it's just yeah,
it's hard. You know, what do you do? It is? Yeah, exactly,
it's nice to chat with somebody that gets it. And
your wife was the same way. Me and her had

(01:15:08):
just like, oh they do that in your church, Oh
they do that, and we were just laughing about it.
But you know, we have to look at all of
this and say, I see so many people being saved
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Really, so many hundreds of thousands, and yes, it's an
amazing thing that's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
I think so, and I think we just have to
stand up and be counted as like somebody that speaks
you know. Yeah, ah, you're good, but we're wrapping No,
we're wrapping up anyway. And I know you're out there
and it's super hot, you're probably wanting to go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
But I was able to turn off one of my fans,
so that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Okay, awesome. Well, I am so grateful for you coming
on and sharing your story, and everybody please check out
his work. You know, it takes a lot to stand
up and go against the grain. It's not so it's not. No,
thank you so much, Nathan for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Thank you for having me. It was a blast.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Thank you again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Bye, all right, have a nice night to you later,
you two, okay, bye bye