238. The Hidden Empire of Control

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
We are a recording. Looks good. All right, back for
another episode of the Aesoteric Archives here in the Old Basement,
And I'm Andrew, I'm Mike, and we have a super
special guest with us today. It's Heidi Love from Unfiltered Rise. Yeah,
I'm sure everyone's heard and seen her around because you

(00:39):
seem to be everywhere these days.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's kind of like that huh you get on and
you think, oh, this is stupid. I'm never gonna get
anywhere with this, and whoa, it just went all over
the place. So yeah, I never thought i'd be a
podcaster at all ever, but two and a half years later,
here I am, and probably more than ever lately, it's
been Why so thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Guys, Yeah, of course, thanks for thanks for jumping on
a new show. And yeah, no, so I think I
first trying to think when I first heard you. I'm
pretty sure it was on tinfoil hat like a little
while ago, and then I just like, I don't know
why it triggered something with me. Like I said, I
grew up in Edmonton, Alberta, and there's just like the

(01:22):
Mormon population there is pretty huge, So I felt like
every other friend I had was Mormon. I went to
like the trigger trunk thing I've.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Done all that I was Mormonized.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, I was an honorary Mormon. Yeah, so yeah, I
just I started diving into some some more of your
episodes and learning about the history of LDS and the
Freemason ties and all that's just yeah, started to kind
of blow my mind. So when we were looking at
kind of building out some episode outlines, I was like,

(01:55):
we should get Hidie on to talk about this, because
this is there's got to be something there.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
So there's so much I always joke and say, this
is the gift that keeps on giving, and it just
never a you never have the right story even when
you have the right story, and then it leads to
thirty other rabbit holes. So if people like rabbit holes,
check out the Mormons.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, no kidding, right, no.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah for sure, because you wouldn't think Canada, right, You're like, oh,
what they're in Mexico. Oh what they're in Canada. Oh
they're in Australia and El Salvador and all the Latin countries. Wow,
that's kind of scary. Huh. They're everywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, yeah, they really made their way around and it's
kind of it's well and it's even you know, we
started diving into more Canadian topics, and like basically the
gist of it is is that Canada is kind of
this like proxy country to the United States, so everything
that happens there happens here, but more secretively. And that

(02:54):
was yeah, and that was definitely kind of the way,
at least from my research, the way the Mormons sort
of made their way up here. And there's obviously, I mean,
we can get into the the East Coast ties with
the Stuarts and that older.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Kid and I am I am a Stuart. Oh no way, okay, Yeah, Henry,
Henry Stuart Talbot is my great great great grandpa.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yes, wow, okay, And how did you yeah, it gets weird.
How did you find that out?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
So my grandma was a missionary for the Mormon Church,
but for genealogy, and she delve like deep in it.
And I mean when she does that, like she's past now.
She would get birth certificates and travel there and get
all these files and microfish and all this crazy stuff.
And I remember doing it with her, like she would

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sit me in front of a computer and just say,
look for this word and I would be looking through
the microfilm, you know, and I never understood really what
the heck we were doing because I was like fifteen,
you know, like I just wanted to meet boys and
like this is a drag. Yeah, So, I mean I
just thought she was kind of nuts. Like honestly, I
was like, this is a little crazy. You're taking pictures

(04:07):
of tombstones and and all kinds of weird stuff. But
she she compiled all this together and started building not
only ar tree, but then ended up working, like I said,
with the church to help build their genealogical stuff out
in the mountain. You've seen the mountain, haven't you.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I did, Yeah, I looked it up. It's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
So that's what with the razor wire. That's just for genealogy.
Don't worry.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, just just a big, big archive.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Guards armed guards with big you know guns, like automatic guns.
Like yeah, that's totally normal, right.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I don't know, Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah. No, I
don't recall that at the provincial archive.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
And nobody gets to go there and nobody's seen inside
except I do have a couple of pictures from some
article they once released because people were like, what are
you building? There like it's you know, and if you
know about like the tunnels and everything, I dare say
it's probably the entrance to the tunnels because they go
clear down to Delta. They're big enough for a semi truck.

(05:11):
I have another lady that's been through them in the
semi truck, like hauling things back and forth underground. Like
this is a weird situation.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's wild. Yeah, So do you think it's
something it's because I've seen sort of the underground tunnels
that have. You know, there's like subways down there in
a Starbucks. Do you think it's kind of the same
thing where there's a people sort of station there.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
And well, the Mormon Church actively admits that they use them.
They use them. They go underneath the city completely and
they have like little golf carts and it depends on
which area you're in how wide they are like semi
truck versus golf carts. But they are heavily guarded by
the Mormon security. And yes they carry guns, and yes

(05:54):
they'll probably shoot you if you try to go down
in there, so probably best to not Ted Bundy was
known to use them. Why he was here on his
active spree he was a Mormon, so I guess, you know,
he found out. I don't know how, but they blocked
that off and kind of closed it. Every time somebody
gets smart and starts figuring out, oh look we can

(06:15):
go underground here, let's go underground here. Oh we got
to move that entrance underneath East High School where all
those kids are going to be a cause and havoc
in the middle of the night. And because there was
a risk, you know, it's on a fault line, they
moved it like a hundred feet. Oh yeah, much safer there, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Feet Okay, yeah, Greendale, now you're good.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, so stupid, yeah, like and then the tunnels are
sealed again, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Whatever, wild Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's really crazy
to me how they So I guess the weirdest connection
that I've heard you make is sort of these like
the CIA connections and all the you know, paramilitary stuff,
and that that to me is just so yeah yeah

(07:07):
yeah yeah, but just like the business ties as well.
So I like, I listened to that episode where you're
talking about Howard Hughes and his connection to the Vegas
mob and all that, like his basically Vegas wouldn't exist
the way it does without him. Uh, the Mormon.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Settled Las Vegas actually.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
So yeah, so so there's some weird ties actually with
Howard Hughes and Canada because he used to Basically Vancouver
Island was one of his kind of getaways while he
was like in his recluse phase. He would only the
only times he got away was to come up to
Vancouver Island. Apparently he had a bunch of business dealings
in southern Alberta obviously with the oil boom and all that,

(07:52):
and then was also involved in it was like flight
flight tracking in the Yukon, like for for our flight exploration,
Oh I bet, yeah, for portals and yeah yeah looking
for portals.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, natural man made like not man made portals. Natural
portals is what he was kind of known to be
up to. We also have Area fifty two out here
in Utah. I don't know if you know that, but
there's like a whole nother UFO area here which is
really weird. And the people that worked with all these
people that we're talking about right, like for example, you

(08:33):
know his right hand man, May Hugh, he worked on
the Maury Island affair, so with the FBI. Yeah, and
so he was, you know, good friends with Shaw and
all these other people. In fact, he worked with Banister
for ten years out in Chicago. So we know that
Howard Hughes knew I would say anything he wanted to know.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, now that's kind of what it seems like. Yeah,
I uh so the so the connection with Howard Hughes though,
so he wasn't actually a Mormon. He was just heavily
involved with Mormon I know he liked to hire them
to run his companies and things like that. Is that right? Yeah?
How did that? Yeh about?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
So the Mormon mafia. Actually they kind of did a
ploy between the two of them. And you know there's
there's Mayhew who was involved with you know, the FBI
and the CIA. He's actually huge. His life was the
life that they like made the movie Mission Impossible after
and he had delivered like Saudi Arabia people and different

(09:37):
people to the CIA, and I mean he was in
there like I mean Big and Kashogis and you know
it gets crazy on that side of things. And that's
where we go into you know, kind of Howard Hughes's
nemesis will say o NASAs. So long story short, they say,
he hired him to look after his wife like he

(10:01):
thought she was cheating, and so go find out. And
then the next thing we know, you know, he's doing
all these other things for him that don't make any
sense if that was all it was. And then his
his driver slash errand boy, which was a Mormon, you know,
which is William Gay, Bill Gay the second and so

(10:22):
I believe he's the second, Yeah, and he was his
errand boy, and he actually got to see Howard Hughes
and interact with Howard Hughes, which Mayhew never met him
ever face to face, and so a lot of these
people didn't. And he just was very selective. And you
know that guy Gay, he worked his way all the
way up to running the companies, booting out Mayhew, taking

(10:44):
over everything and replacing all of the people involved with
either Mormons or Mormon affiliates, including the doctor that you
know said Howard Hughes was dead. He's a Mormon, like
he actually got in trouble for that. He had a
dea case come out against that. And I have some
photos and stuff we can yank up on the Mormon
mafia if you want, but it's very interesting on the

(11:07):
ties there, let alone the ties for like everywhere else
and the UFO connection and the fact that we know,
you know, the Mormon Church does these little hints like
I don't know, if you guys know, like Project Blue.
You know, this is like a big project right for
aliens if you're into that, And I just say interdimensionals

(11:29):
because I totally believe in that.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, that's me as well.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah, it's just we're running into, you know, fallen
angels I think probably at some point and not just
by accident. I mean, they know how to get them here,
so you know, they have the Marriotte Blue in a way.
They do these little dumb nods where you're like, okay,
and if you know, you know, and if you don't,

(11:53):
you don't and then you just go okay, right right,
and they they know, they know a lot of things.
I think think I think they still channel. I think
they are used periodically. That's wo woo. But that's just
my take on things. Yeah, I do. I think that's
what they do.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
But yeah, the whole the whole revelation of the method
thing is is a little on the nose these days. Yeah,
less and less creative as it goes on. Yeah, well,
and it starts back, you know, with Joseph dying. I mean,
Joseph was the woo woo. Joseph was into witchcraft, and
I can prove that, and I have a much I

(12:32):
have a less issue with Joseph than I do with
Brigham because people always ask me, like, if you had
to choose and you didn't have any other choice, like
who which one? And I'm like, oh, completely Joseph because
he really believed it.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
But also he's communing, you know, with angels. Were John
d in it up over there? So you know he
knew all the esoteric things, and it's very evident that
he did. He was in the Greater and Lesser Keys
of Solomon. He's into occultic traditions. You know, he is
doing more than just protecting himself, which is what the

(13:06):
church will say. It's folk magic and he's just protecting himself.
And like, no, he's invoking because there's certain things where
you can read the parchments and see that, but they
they hope that no one will right, like they're weird,
and so they're like, mah, hopefully they won't look at
that thing. And then yeah, it's back to that whole
year kind of crazy because you read into it and

(13:26):
nobody else thinks that. So, you know, Joseph was getting
pretty ballsy. I mean people don't know this, but he
was gonna he ran for president, you know, he was.
I mean, this was happening right as he dies, and
he went to the President of the United States of
America and demanded like upwards of billions of dollars you know,

(13:47):
at the time for reparations because they'd been ran out
of town and you know, largely they're squatting and it's
not really their their land anyway, but he's demanding this,
so he's getting kind of a worn in their side.
I mean, it becomes a problem. And I think Brigham
was wise enough to see this coming where he was,

(14:09):
you know, putting all of his little freemason ways into
you know, step and making sure he would be able
to advance because he was not next in line for
the crown, so to speak. Actually, you know, it was
definitely Oliver Cowdrey, and he just had a bad day.
He'd been sick, he hadn't really been around, he had

(14:30):
been sick for months, and so he didn't do the
best presentation when it came down to the speech that
should have never even been in question. I mean, Brigham
Young wasn't in line, and it should have been his son,
who was actually you know, ordained, but he was ten,
so you know, Cawdrey's like, look, I'll take care of it.
But the mother was kind of threatened. Brigham Young told her, look,

(14:54):
mother Smith, do you really want to put him in line?
Look at what's happened to everybody else. His brothers were
killed as well. I mean, this gets gross and serious.
So she kind of shut up. She was even pregnant
at the time, which no one talks about, and that
son actually ended up being crazy and I think it
was probably the stress of her pregnancy. I don't know,

(15:15):
but he was hospitalized for I think it was twenty
seven years of his life, like, yeah, largely most of
his life, and nobody talks about him.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
You know. It's like a generational trauma kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah. Yeah, his name was David. And it's really sad
they say that, you know, he was the lamb that
everything was maybe put on, you know, up to slaughter.
They're kind of left out to dry, even by that family,
and it's sad, you know. They there's rumors he was gay.
I don't know about that, but there's just all kinds
of things. But he definitely was institutionalized. That's provable. And

(15:46):
so when Brigham steps in, he immediately, you know, starts saying, Okay,
what do you always hear about the Mormons. Oh, we're persecuted,
We're we have to run away to Canada, or we
have to run away to Mexico, and we have to
run all these places. And then absolutely contact the government
and say, hey, can I help you finish that railroad?
Who does that?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, well that's and that's sort of when when I
was looking into it. That's how so I found like
Charles Charles or a card and that's how he made
his way to Southern Alberta's they were being persecuted for polygamy,
and so you know, Canada being Canada was like, yeah,
bring your birds here. I guess they made a deal

(16:29):
with them. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I made a deal with them to your point that
if they built an irrigation system, Yeah, that was the
agreement on them moving there.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So yeah, come on up, just do the work.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, and I believe it was leave the polygamy behind
closed doors.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, it was the agreement we won't Yeah, exactly, which
is the Canadian way.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Well, and you know we see it with Mexico too,
with the Romney's. You know, that's what happened and how
they became such an influential family as they went and
settled Real Mexico, not you know, Utah Mexico as it
was then. But I think Brigham knew what was coming.
I mean he acted all put out over it and whatnot,
but I don't think that was real. I mean, he

(17:12):
was working with Coon and Lobe. He's got all these
missionaries off to England. He's you know, he's making the
connections in the right places. We'll say that through the
Harriman Brothers, we're finishing out these things. And if you
look it up, they'll say, oh, no, the LD's Church
didn't do that, but you know, through Harreman they did.
And you know he was I mean, Brigham Young was

(17:34):
on the board for the railroad. So and that was
all built off the sweat of the Mormons for slave
labor and they were never paid for it. Upwards of
thirty million dollars they say, and then also killing people
and taking their money.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
So you know, yeah, no, it's it's just so wild
and the things that end up like the things that
end up kind of embedding themselves in like say, the
way can it is set up.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
So I looked it up and there's like that that
Charles Carr guy had, the the initial town that he
settled was based on that plat of Zion that Joseph
basically had, like the the perfect grid set up for
for how to establish a town. And so yeah, yeah yeah,

(18:21):
and of course, and then the first two things that
they establish are the school and the temple. It's like, yeah,
you got to get your indoctrination buildings built first, obviously,
and then the rest was gritted out as farmland and
its essentially sectioned off. And if you look at most
of most big Canadian cities are on that sort of
that plot, they're they're all gritted out the same way. Yeah, right,

(18:45):
Like it's if you think about how the streets are
set up, streets and avenues, it's all it's all that
same grid.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
So mountain behind Cardston two is quite interesting. It's like
a tabletop, a really neat looking tabletop mountain thing called
Chief Mountain that you see.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
In a lot of the pictures too. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I mean, and I would be curious because I'm not
familiar with this who ran their school, because I know
for Brigham Young University they brought in a German, you know,
which gets really interesting, like, oh, where did that come from?
But you guys even have a story that I haven't
put out too far yet up in Canada. I'm just

(19:26):
looking for where he went. But there is a secret
story about the prophet Joseph's brother, and he was very
They would call him a dunker or a seeker, and
he took off and he's up in your area, and
he took off to Canada, and they make very little reference.
He's almost impossible to find. And he goes up and

(19:50):
settles areas up in Canada. And his name was Jason
Mack and so he helped like find these towns. And
he's weirdly under this strange religion as well. They called
him a reverend, like a lay reverend and or a preacher.

(20:12):
And I found it very interesting that they try to
hide him at every single turn, like it's almost impossible
to find him, and that he's up in Canada doing
all of this. They actually even hide his posterity and
off you skate everything in the Mormons genealogy, and I mean,
it is just almost impossible to find any information on

(20:34):
Jason Mack.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
So that's the first I've heard of it. Yeah, yeah,
because I heard, like I did read that Brigham Young
had a brother up in Ontario in Kingston. He did
in Kingston, which I was listening to an episode of
Yours last night, kind of getting ready for this, and
you were mentioning like still well known polygamous families and
Kingston was one of the families that you mentioned, and
I was like, holy shit, I wonder if there's any connection,

(20:58):
because I'm yeahcase, I'm not. I'm not sure when the
town was actually named. I didn't get that far into looking,
but yeah, I just thought it was strange that Brigham
Young's brother was up and the area he settled was Kingston.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
So Jason went. He was actually a political figure in
Nova Scotia and he became a pretty big big deal there,
Just so you guys know where I'm talking about. He
was a United Empire loyalist and he went to King's
College in Windsor. This is the son of theirs, but

(21:32):
he becomes pretty integral. And when we're talking about the
Kingstons as well, you know, this sect of polygamy still
continues to this day. And the Kingstons are one of
the very few people that will flat tell you they
are the blood of Jesus Christ and they enter marry
with each other to keep their bloodlines pure. And they
actually are very rich. And they donated a ton of

(21:55):
money to Romney for his last little Gopher president, just
for fun, I guess. And of course they say, oh,
those weirdos, that has nothing to do with us. But
then you see all these little ties like money, you know. Yeah,
and you know that they actually hire a geneticist to
tell them who to marry now, so they're like, no,

(22:16):
not that sister Mary, your second sister from your other
mother or whatever. And they keep their bloodline pure because
they truly believe in the whole story with Mary Magdalene,
the templarthing and the Holy Grail, and that Joseph Smith
was the actual bloodline of Jesus Christ himself. So yeah,
it gets weird. The Kingstons are like fascinating and this

(22:40):
book that the mother put out, you know, the mother
of Joseph Smith put this book out, and when Brigham
Young heard about it, he flit out and he had
an order for all of them to be burned, and
somebody made a ploy. I can't remember if it was Pratt,
but they were in England and they put the book anyway,

(23:01):
and he didn't get the notice. I suppose to burn
it until later, and it was too late and it
was out and about. So it is still out there,
and it's the history you know of Joseph Smith from
his mother, and what's in it is very different in
two different versions of this book because it was recalled
and redone and leaving out who Jason Mack why that

(23:27):
is the omission? And she makes this little coy, little
jab basically at Brigham, like you better take care of
my family. I've lost all my children. What she did
you know? I mean, she suffered, and she basically made
it known you will take care of us or I
will let this go. And she did it very carefully.

(23:49):
She she makes reference to doctors. Doctor Smith was his name,
Her last name is Smith, but she doesn't remember his name,
and she calls him like doctor Stone or something, and
she off. He skates that, and it goes to the
Dartmouth connection, which leads to a whole bunch of areas,
And so that's an excellent video if you guys want
to check that one out. The Dartmouth connection is bananas

(24:10):
and it kind of blows into you know, the Church
of Christ, which is originally what the LDS Church was,
and so people don't know that.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
So so his mom then was she? Do you think
because you said he was more kind of the woo woo,
do you think she was sort of like the brains
of the operation kind of the.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I think there's two two factions there. I don't know
if you've ever seen Joseph F. Smith, which would be
Joseph's nephew. But and I'm not saying this to be
I just don't know how else to put it. He
looks very Ashkenazi. Okay, does that appear in his genealogy? No,

(24:50):
but I will say her name was mac Lucy Mack.
She comes from Solomon Mack, who comes from Ebenezer Mac.
These names are very you know, aligned with maybe that heritage,
which is not a big deal, but it is if
you're hiding something. And his knowledge of kabb law and
her knowledge and state like even when she got married,

(25:14):
you know the next one down his wife too as well.
They were like high standing Joseph's family was from Salem, Massachusetts.
They were involved in the inquisition of that whole situation,
with his great great grandpa being one of the accusers
of Mary Easty. It's all on the Salem connection that
I just barely did, and there's proof on there straight

(25:36):
from Salem itself, so they both had it. I do
feel like the mom was more into the kabalistic side
of things, whereas the dad was, you know, witchcraft. And
Joseph Smith Senior has a quote out there in eighteen
thirty from a neighbor that was visiting that said he
absolutely believed in witchcraft, and I bet he did. I
think he used it. Yeah, yeah, I mean the people

(25:57):
that were the accusers then were often the guilty part.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
So yeah, it doesn't seem to have changed so much
to know, No, I mean I thought, well, yeah, I
think it's with with any of the Abrahamic religions, and
they're offshoots, right, there's always I mean, you start to
look into Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry and all this stuff, and
it's yeah, they're they're all they're.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Always like men of God. So my my great grandfather
was a shriner and there's like the saying that not
all Masons are Shiners, but all Shiners are Masons, which
is is just the truth. And he had a very
like it was a I always thought like I was
always told that he was a Christian man and whatever,
but he always had these weird stories about his faith

(26:43):
that always felt very occult and always felt very like
you know, more in the.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
The hand, right, yeah, the hidden hand. Yes, it's you just.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, some some vet that went to church once
a week, like this was his full belief system. And yeah,
he wore the Rosy Cross and stuff like that too,
So it was, well, there's.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
A definite tie with that religion. I haven't released it yet,
but with Jason Mack, there is a tie with Rosicrucians
that's going to be coming out. That's very interesting. You know,
I don't I mean, people don't understand how far and
wide this went and how many ways it went right,
Like it's never just one thing, Like it's not just

(27:28):
the Mormons. Like when we look at the guy that
went out and you know, James Strang and he continued
as a prophet as well out to Beaver Island. His
his stuff was really woo woo and weird. Some of
them kept the woo woo. It was just I feel
like Brigham was he'd had enough of being lost of
all of the money he had or made. He was

(27:49):
sick of it, and I think he was like, you
know what, We're just going to play ball with these
people and then put it all underground, which is absolutely
what I think they did. You know, I think these
things when you see like weird stuff pop up, like
the LDS Church of Satan, which is not the mainstream church,
which is not part of the normy okay Mormons, Yeah,

(28:10):
Mormons will be like she's a crazy lady. Okay, look
into it, like this is your you know, attorney general
that was accused. Yeah, he wasn't found guilty, but he
also took off and bought a castle in Scotland and
pieced out, you know. And he also said he wasn't
a cannibal on live TV, so I nobody asked, like, no,
no one asked you that. So that was weird.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's a very raird thing to volunteer.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
Yeah, and people were just like everything froze at that
press conference because it was almost like he heard that
and answered a question nobody asked, and everybody just shut
up and they were like.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
What, like you are okay, And it was just so weird.
And then he goes and buys a castle in Scotland,
which you know, where something Dracula would do. Yeah, it's
just weird. And and you hear all these very strange stories,
but you hear like, oh, Joseph Smith was just poor,
but he's actually related to you know, all these kings

(29:14):
and queens. They've done the genealogy on like I am
as well with the Stewart's Like what the hell was
going on? You know what I mean? Like, and people say, well,
everybody's related back then. No, no, not these critical people.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
No, yeah, yeah, well I've heard you. Sorry, No, I
was just gonna ask who is he? What line was
he related to?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
The Stuart Henry Stuart Talbot is supposedly the like through
the illegitimate king's son. And if I do my when
I go into the genealogy, right now, my eighth grade
grandpa is the king like right now, not like ten
times once removed all that crap. No, it's just straight
up the line. And it's weird because I'm like, okay,

(30:00):
well it matches with my DNA like it matches. So
obviously it was either them or somebody real close to them,
because unfortunately for them, DNA is a thing and it matches. Now,
you know, does that matter to me? No, they were poor,
Like I'm not rich. I don't care about any of that.

(30:21):
I'm just talking about these hidden hands that they hit
all over the place, and they did it, you know,
with stealth. I mean, this is kind of frightening when
you look at what the nWo said when they start
bringing these things together with the Roundtable Foundation, you know
that that was their goal, is to hide people in
plain sight. And everybody gets mad at me and says

(30:42):
I'm crazy, and I'm like, oh, that's cool, but like
you should probably look at that, you know, And why
did Kingston's have that name, King's Son King's ten like
kings Son. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they are
hiding anything. The Polygamus Orders are way more honest, to
be quite frank. They hold to the old They don't

(31:04):
change their policy. They still don't interact with black people
or outsiders. They're very much like the rest of the
world is goyam and we can hurt them if we want.
To and bleed the beast of the government because we
hate you and like it's scary actually some of the
old oaths they take.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, yeah, so well, yeah, I was gonna say, because
like the I guess the brand of LDS that I
know is very much just the kind of like I mean,
all all the kids I knew, they were just a
bunch of dorks really, like, you know, for they were
just a bunch of nerds, and their families were just
kind of like straight and narrow, the nicest people ever.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, and why do they do that? Yeah? Why did
they do that? In Masonic orders? Right, why do we
have the porch Masons that never advance? And why don't
they kick them out? Because they're not studying or they're
not advancing, they don't want the true knowledge. So why
are they really there. They're there for the dinners and
to make it look normal so that when somebody says
to them, hey, you're a Mason, isn't that cool or
woo woo or whatever, and they're like, no, we just

(32:03):
do dinners and raise money and stuff. What Yeah, yeah,
because they that helps them, you know, they hide in
plain sight that way. Same thing with the Mormons and
their traditions with their temple, they just changed it again.
They've created such a small, tiny piece. It's like an
hour long now. And these are supposed to be the
os and ordinances that get you to heaven. And people

(32:26):
are like, oh, I love it so streamlined. I'm like,
you're an idiot. They aren't sharing the whole thing with you,
and you're probably missing the keys. I mean, I'm Christians,
so I don't care. But like, if this is what
you believe is getting you to heaven, wouldn't you be
concerned if you only got the cliff notes? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah you get, Yeah, you get, you get a black
belt after a few lessons. That's a little weird.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, And they're just like it's totally fine. Don't memorize anything.
Like they're just using them so they can go do
their weird stuff on Thursday night or whatever night they meet,
you know, but it helps cover them, you know, there's
no more like ooh, the Quorum of the Twelve only
meets together on the third Sunday of every month, like
whatever it is. I don't know, but I'm just making

(33:09):
up stuff there. But I'm sure that they do and
I'm sure that the biggest, most important people, you know,
get the best of that religion. Do I want it? No?
I think it's all really scary. But and not just
because it's Masonic or you know whatever. I think they're
channeling angels and and I don't think they're good ones,

(33:29):
you know, So I'm good.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah. No, I think whenever you get into invoking spirits,
it's it's wise to proceed with caution. There's that that's saying,
like you can call in spirits, but like you don't
don't call in the devil because the devil follows you home.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Right, So right, how do you know who you're calling
in and he's dying and who's not When spirits are involved, I'm.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
On the John D. John D thought they were like
the most benevolent spirits ever, and that's why I always
put this book first. And people are like, she's an occultist,
and I'm like, listen, you're never going to get the
answers in your Christian book. You're just not. And so
if you want to listen to somebody else, that's fine,
or do a skimming or whatever, but you have to
have a basic knowledge of things because otherwise it is

(34:14):
so simple for you to be so uneducated, like and
and you know, even John Dee later said I was
lied to, like they lied to me. And I spent
my whole life dedicated to this, and I thought I
was talking to angels from God. He was pious and
he loved God. And then time to swap wives, like
he should have tapped out and just been like, bro,

(34:36):
no way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
It always seems to lead to that, always with the
swapping of wives.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
No, the wives and the and or uh you know,
the Crollian butt stuff. Like it's always something gross, right,
like it's got to be this debauchery. And then I
always go back to like, okay, so is this a
zabatan movement? Really? Is that what this is? Like? Is
that why you guys all want to have sex with

(35:02):
your progeny and your children? Like you have to start
looking at all of that, and most people don't even
know who that is, you know, And how smart for them,
because they're never going to know what's on, Like you
are going to be so easy to just like push
it all past you know.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, Yeah that's weird. Yeah, I mean it's always it's
always a look over here, not over here kind of thing.
I thought that was strange. And I'm sure you've had
this question before. But with that, so, I watched that
Mormon Housewives show with my wife because we like to
watch shitty reality TV.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
And yeah, of.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Course, you know, but I thought it was the house
really yeah, yeah, no, it wasn't a real Housewives one.
It was like actually like Mormon Wives. I think it
was coded.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Oh okay, the housewife one is better, yeah, because you know,
well no, no, because that is Bill Gay, the third's wife,
Heather Gay, that worked for Howard Hughes, you know, and
it never goes away. And the names for the wives
the real lives of Mormon wives. If you look at
their last name once, I'll love it. Who did I say,

(36:08):
moved to Scotland and bought a castle. They don't end
up in these positions for no reason. Yeah, and this
show does not depict clearly anything that the Mormon wives
would really be like, they're not living by the standards.
And somebody asked the one girl, Sean Tell or somebody

(36:29):
that just had a baby and she was pregnant before
she got married or something, and they're like, how are
you wearing such like revealing clothes. Well, she'd never been
through the temple. So they're completely making this show about
people that don't even know anything really about anything. They've
never been through the temple.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, and that was gonna be my question about it
is I found it, like, I found it entertaining for
whatever entertainment's sake. But but I thought it was strange
that it was allowed to happen because I mean, like,
you know something like I don't You're not going to
see like a real Housewives of Scientology anytime soon. They're
not going to let that happen. But why abstraction?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, why Yeah, they've all got lavender marriages and their
husbands you know, are weird like and whatever people want
to do. Look, I'm not gonna say anything. Whatever you
want to do, go ahead and do it. But that
wouldn't be my decision. And that's just not Christian in
my opinion. But like I don't care. But like, also

(37:27):
you would think the church would shut it down, you know. Yeah, yeah,
it gives them a pretty bad look. And then it
just offers it's just back to the railroad and Coon
and love. Because what did Jacob Shift say, We're going
to fund both sides of the war because it will
help us, right, and then they'll all hate each other.
And so the good Mormons are like, look at these

(37:48):
morons over here, and then the bad Mormons are like, oh,
they're cool Mormons, and so like it just keeps that going,
and I think that's all it is. And then it
gives people to talk about in the Mormon's day somehow
relevant and I don't end up in the news about
sex abuse or money laundering, you know, because they are
They just hide it, you know, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I mean, yeah, they've got a good pr team. That's
that's really sure.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I mean en Zin Peak scandal. I don't know if
you know about that, but if you don't, that is
the biggest rabbit hole ever. And it was it was
just let go. I mean, they were totally had all
these offshore accounts hiding money. It was proven, and they
did not get fined or anything. Billions of dollars and
it's not supposed to be, you know, making money like that.

(38:36):
It's a church organization. Five oh one C three What
are you doing? You should have been fined. This was
a big deal. There was a whistleblower and they shoved
it all underneath the rug. They got away with it.
Of course they did, because they're one of the few
people that freaking helped get the Federal Reserve started anyway,
So Hebrew J. Grant's godfather was the one that brought

(38:57):
that in and so at two Utah literally Godby was
his name. And you know god b i Ormons. That's
a different little sect. Like there's so many, but that
guy in particular, you know, he was intra kill in
bringing the whole Federal Reserve to Utah, and they did.

(39:20):
They sold out and most of the land in Utah
if you go look it up, is owned by the state.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Oh wow, Okay, so yeah, they always have their their moneymen. Hey,
there's like I heard you say too, like Elon Musk's
moneyman is a is a Mormon, and that's Carmon. Things
are going to be shifting from the Federal Reserve into
this new you know, sort of financial uh playbook, which
all the digital currencies and all that. So they have

(39:47):
their hands in that too.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, since I've spoken to anyone, you guys are just lucky.
I've been down the craziest rabbit hole on x But
Peter Till's family was all Mormon, include the guy that
came here. That was German that I told you came
to BYU to help their education program. That is Peter
Till's great grandfather. People will want to look that up.

(40:11):
I will be doing a show on it. It is
a crazy rabbit hole. And he went to this university
out in South Africa where again we're rubbing shoulders with
some musks. I think it was Kimball Musk. And so
it's very interesting, like when you're looking at that and
this guy was revered. There's like a whole wing named

(40:32):
after this guy. It's like, I want to tell you
the name. I'm going to find it. And it's just
strange to me that they never mention anything about this,
you know, this German guy that comes out of note Like,
where the hell did he come from? You know, Like
that's my question.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, I don't know it was he also super young
and rose to a high position in his early twenty
because that also seems to be a common occurrence with
these guys, is like the you know CFO of a
company at twenty three, and like, right.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
This particular guy wasn't, but he was. I mean this
is back back in the day. This is like nineteen hundreds,
or late eighteen hundreds, and it's just cracks me up
because I'm like, wait a minute, if this guy's coming
out here back then, and Peter Till and all these
other people have all this family from there on down,

(41:25):
like that's kind of frightening, you know, like knowing that
they've been in these integral positions. I don't know, I
don't know. It seems really nerve wracking to me. And
of course they're all Freemasons, you know, as well, they've
got pictures yeah, with the hidden hand. I actually feel
like they're right of miseryom and very influenced by the

(41:49):
Templars in my opinion. So yeah, I can't purt that one.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
That's good, but up your way. Yeah, no, for sure.
That's the whole Akkadian side of things, is all Templar
roots and all that. So yeah, not surprising. It's quite
amazing how.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Involved the Mormons are in almost everything for such a
small number of people.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, when I looked it up, it said
there were two hundred thousand Mormons in Canada, and I
don't believe that it's got to be maybe in Edmonton alone.
It seemed like, you know, but I found that kind
of strange. It's almost like, well, they're even hiding their
own numbers here, you know, yes, yep.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
And I mean it just makes his last Okay, this
guy's name that I'm referencing, just so people can know.
Peter Till's direct lineage is not predominantly Mormon, but his
family connection to Carl G. Maser m A. E. S.
E Er creates the link between Till's ancestry and the
LDS's leadership. There's a whole wing named after him. He
was one of the first, if not the very first

(42:59):
principle of BYU. Just so people can look this up,
so because I will get told I'm full of it
and and I'm not, Like it's you know, I'm gonna
do a show. But when we started this thread, I
started this little thread and it turned into the craziest
rabbit hole and I went, how how do I even

(43:20):
present this? Right? Like, I mean goes back to IBM,
it goes back to Bill Gates and Bill Gates being
related to Joseph Smith's maternal grandmother, and like it is
a rabbit hole. I mean, it's bananas and no wonder
you know they work so closely with Bill Gates. I
mean that that makes total sense. Then that's their first standing,

(43:43):
is my you know, Microsoft is their first portfolio holding,
so you know, let alone Alphabet and everything, they're just
in all of it. Amazon, They're at it.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Like you said, I remember hearing back when I was
a kid that it was like one of the first
things I thought was kind of strange about the Mormon
is that they had a massive holding in Coca Cola.
They you know, can't have caffeine.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I was like, what, okay, so here's the here's I'm
gonna break this one. So I've heard back and forth.
They don't anymore at Coca Cola. I think it was
through United Fruit, which is even more crooked than coke.
And so that's a more fun down that rabbit hole
if you go through that in South America, but which
leads straight to our president today, United Fruit. It's yeah,

(44:29):
it's top whoe, you know. And when we look at
this stuff. They can have caffeine, they and they are
addicted to caffeine, make no mistake of that. They just can't.
And they love soda. They just can't have coffee or tea.
And so it used to say hot drinks. But also
we don't mind anything else in these rules that they

(44:50):
gave us that it's supposed to be like eat meat
sparingly and don't over indulge and blah blah. It's all
this stuff for help, okay, in the Word of wisdom,
but nobody does any of the rolls. And for some reason,
just coffee and tea was what's stuck. And so they say, oh,
it's the tannic acid. But then the Mormons started making
their own coffee, which is why this makes sense, right,

(45:11):
And then they can make more money because you're buying
their coffee, which is called paro, and it's like this
barley coffee and so yeah, all the old Mormons drank
that instead, So okay, and you can have tea, but
you can't have the they say it's I finally asked

(45:31):
the bishop once because I was like, this has got
to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Because you
make hot cocoa. You know, I've helped like make this
over when we do this stuff. You know, they package
their own food. You go give your time and effort
to help them. And I'm like, you make hot chocolate,
there's a ton of caffeine in that, Let alone sugar

(45:51):
you know, and they're like, oh, it's not that, it's
the tannic acid that they put in it. And I'm like, right,
But they all drink tons of coke and diet coke.
And I mean the soda bars here are on every corner.
They're called fizz. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
That was the weirdest thing I saw in that Mormon
Mormon Live show that yeah, yeah, they're all gathering at
these soda shops.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I was like, what, Yep, they're addicted. They're so addicted
and they're addicted to sugar and people don't understand. But
I think it was pushed because one of the main
exports for Utah became beat sugar. They're actually the ones
that started pushing horrible beat sugar. It's terrible for you. Yeah,
and you know, they pushed that and they made this
Beat Sugar company and it used to be a big

(46:37):
deal out here. And the profit at that time said
we will make this sugar company if it busts the
church like and breaks it to pieces, because he was
that like set on making sure that happened. And what
are you going to do with that export if you
don't have a railroad. Hell, they used all those Mormons
and told them they would pay them later and then

(46:58):
bring them young roade off the debt. Wow, yeah to Harriman.
And so you know that when you have favors like that,
you can call in favors like that, right.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, Now did him doing that cause a revolt?
Like has there ever been like a mass revolt in
the LDS Church where a bunch of people are you know,
enough of this and try and break away?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Or is it that are so well behaved for the
most part Now, I think that they've always trained them,
like Okay, for example, when Joseph Smith said he had
his magic rock and he could see things, and then
some other guy did and they were like, no, you
don't you put that rock away, like only the prophet
could do that, you know. So like they start squashing

(47:47):
this stuff early, and we're pretty much raised to be
very obedient to the church. That's why the FBI and
CIA and all these places love Mormons because half of
the brainwashing is done for you because since we're born,
like every thing is about you know, following the profit
and doing this and that and supporting Israel and you
know that's in our rules and regulations. Like even like

(48:11):
people don't understand that's in our articles of faith. You
know that they literally believe in Israel being restored and
a gathering of the tribes and all this stuff. So
you know, since I was born, they're like, we have
to support this. So no, I don't think that they
have much trouble squashing it. I do think there was

(48:31):
a lot of complaining, you know, back and forth, Like
Brigham Young allowed alcoholic drinks, and so did Joseph Smith
as long as you made them yourself. And they had
their own breweries and they had all kinds of stuff,
like justin his family ran a beer shop, and then
Brigham Young had all kinds of you know, distilleries and whatnot.

(48:53):
But they got rid of all that under some other
presidents that were more serious about things right, And so
people would talk like my mom was here the other day,
and it was great because she she grew up with
all these old timers. And on Sunday they would all
meet up my great Grandma's and they would kind of
complain about what they liked or didn't like about the prophet.

(49:13):
And she said they all hated Brigham so much, and
they would complain and complain, but they still paid their tithing.
They still did everything they were supposed to because they
were kind of beaten down, you know, right. I mean
they've had all this prose prosecution slash persecution, and they
really don't know what true freedom is because somebody's always

(49:33):
telling them what to do, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, And it's kind of this it's kind of this
weird split because it's like, you know, from a top
down view, LDS has this sort of like rebellious nature
against the state, right, like they kind of want to
be their own thing and control their own their own world.
But then the people within that world are all under

(49:58):
that control. So it really is just like it's a
pretty it's pretty hypocritical when you think about it.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Those rules are are for the and not for me.
You know, this is like, ah, he's ordained. Literally he
talks to God every day. You understand, like he is
special and you are not special. And so I think that,
you know, these people that were really led to believe
like it would get better, it will get better, and

(50:25):
they're very humble people for the most part, like the
real Mormons, the actual Mormon people. This is why speak out.
It's so sad because I was like that too, Like
they're just trying to get to heaven, and they're just
trying to do everything that they can to get to heaven.
And meanwhile, you know, the church is just using them
and they're they're goyam to them, Like I don't think

(50:47):
they give one care about any of those lines except
maybe the Royal line pedigrees, Like that's it, because they
have a Royal line pedigree and it says from this
line king Shell Rule and it's called one Royal Line,
which used to be sold at Deseret Book. And these
are the names of the important people, you know, and
you can see them in the hierarchies of the church.

(51:10):
It's by no mistake that they're there, right, yeah, and
so it's kind of sad, you know they want and
that's hence polygamy too. You know. The Kingston's fascinating people
because you know, he's one of the ones that learned
how to interbreed with people before the geneticist by using
his cattle. And so he would, you know, use the

(51:33):
genetic studies he had formulated with his cattle on people,
and he would you know, the prophet calls your wife,
you don't just go marry whoever you want, like you
go churn yourself in as a woman, and they call
whoever gets you, and that's that, and whoever's you know,
secretly bid for you since you were five or whatever.

(51:55):
Weird shit's going on in that back corner. You know,
all that stuff's going on, and this is all preordained
and mostly probably been paid for, if you.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
So they don't get to choose a lot of things,
and they just accept it. But you're right, like, ultimately,
these are people that would turn on the government in
an instant if given the chance. And they took an oath.
People don't know this, but the oath of the Black Sticks,
and I have the black sticks. I have a photo

(52:27):
of it, and it is the canes, the coffin cans
made from Joseph Smith and Hiram Smith's rotting, decaying bodies
in the oak. And they took them out of those
and made canes out of those, and then they clipped
their hair and put it in the knob and gave
them to the important people of the church. And they
all took an oath against the government to kill and

(52:48):
take over that one day. And the polygamus will tell you, yeah,
we hate the government we will bleed the beasts, they
call it that by like welfare cheating or whatever they
can do to like tax skipping out, whatever they can
do to hurt the government, they'll do. And there's you know,
a whole presidential office recreation in the LDS Temple in Washington,

(53:09):
d C. Because they believe that the church will take
over the country one day and they'll run it. It's
the white horse prophecy.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
They're the pale horse. Aya crazy, Yeah, just a.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Smiths white horse prophecy.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, that involved Does that involve defending Israel as part
of it as well?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
They will always defend Israel is part of the article
of faith. And so the articles of faith. Let me
pull that up really quick. It's very interesting about the
things that they say about Israel. And even when I
was a little girl, I didn't even know what Israel was,
and you know, you're just a child. And even back then,

(53:53):
I was told like, oh, yeah, we have to defend Israel,
you know, at all all costs. It's just it's interesting,
it's very interesting. Let me see if I can find
that Article of faith.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Does Israel feel the same way, like are they is
is it? Because obviously, you know, there's there's a whole
Desionist thing where there's they're the Chosen people and and
this and that, and obviously the Mormons like they're kind
of lumping themselves.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
In with the books.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Oh yeah, no, where with these guys over here.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I don't think they care. I mean, I don't know.
I've seen the Jewish people like that are really into it,
and they're like, oh, I hope they all die, you know,
and you're just like, oh my gosh, like and and
they'll tell you that, but I don't know how that
works out. But it does say Article Faith number ten.
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and the
restoration uh the Ten Tribes, that Zion the new Jerusalem,

(54:47):
will be built upon the American continent, and that Christ
will rain personally upon the earth, and that the earth
will be renewed and receive its parasitical glory. So I
mean they're very Zionist. You know, they believe this land
will become heaven on earth. And you know, they also
believe in the gathering of the tribes. And you have

(55:08):
to understand something like this might sound great or whatever,
like oh, look, they're supporting good people and tell you
start listening about this cattle guy right and his children
and all the polygamy, and I often wonder, now, this
is just me thinking here, because I like to make
a separation between fact and thought. You know, what if polygamy.

(55:32):
What if they did find the lost tribes and they
made sure there were progeny of each one of them
here somewhere. You know, it's very serious and concerning when
you start looking at this, because in our patriotical blessings,
which you receive when you're like fourteen, it's like your
future telling Okay, if you mind the church and you're

(55:54):
good and you do all the things, then this is
how your life will be. And oftentimes it's like, uh,
you'll have a good husband and you'll go to the
temple and you'll have children, blah blah blah. Okay, but
it's given by a patriarch anointed with oil on your head.
He's like the oldest guy ever and he comes in.
This is back in the day. Maybe they're young now,
but he'll come in and lay hands on your head
and tell you your little story and they record it, but

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they tell you what tribe you're from at this time,
and like my tribe was Ephraim, which is Mary Magdalene,
which is true, but I often think they already know
that because they have all our genealogy.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, well, I've heard you say that they were big
in like twenty three and meters and stuff like that
as well.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Weren't they ancestry dot com. Yeah, I would think anyone
would know the.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Sorry, go ahead, oh no, you're good, keep going. I'm
just going to say.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I would think that if anyone would know the genealogy
of the ten tribes, it would have the Mormons.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Well here's why. So okay, I was explaining this to
somebody the other day, so it's fresh on my mind.
So what happened was when you had to have the
Aryan pass during World War two to do anything, okay,
to prove and I quote that you were not from
the origins of a Jews and that was their quote

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for at least three generations. Back to work or date
or live your life or go out of your house
like period. Okay. So the Mormons kind of made a
deal with the Nazis, you know, they were like, hey,
we have to obey the laws of your land because
that's part of our articles of faith and different things,
and so you know, we'll do the little salute and

(57:30):
will be your little uber mansion whatever. And they were
very helpful and they didn't get persecuted like the JW's
or anybody else, okay, And they got all of the
critical genealogy that the priests and stuff would store. Like
they were the ones that stored all of this very
pertinent information, but the Mormons can never get their hands
on it. And they were like, ah, I just want

(57:50):
that so much. You know, look at our genealogy would
be so much better if we could go clear back
to Adam, which they say they do, and Charlemagne and
so you know, all this stuff that they want. And so,
like I said, they they worked with them and they
helped them for this Arian pass so that they could
help organize the genealogy. And then what they did is

(58:13):
something they put it into something called FamilySearch dot org.
And FamilySearch dot Org went into all these other you
know DNA sides now. But it started at Howard Hughes Dynamics,
which is so interesting to me, right, and it's under
Bill Gay and he got caught. He got caught by
Howard Hughes and Howard Hughes apparently was super miffed about this,

(58:35):
and he shut it down, and it's underneath this book
and so it's it's a a guy that actually Johnny
Meyer me E I E R. He worked for Howard
Hughes for a very long time and he wrote a
book later and he talked about this, and he talked
about them finding out and he said, you shut that
down because that's just Bill Gay trying to do his

(58:59):
stupid more and genetics, and so you know, they shut
that particular offshoot down, but of course it continued, and
even the first correlation of the LDS Church and Nazism
centered around this and including the leader and saying oh.
In this newspaper article nineteen thirty three written in the

(59:20):
Church News section of the Deseret News, Mormonism is the
new Germany, and Adolf Hitler in return said the Mormons
are the ultimate ubermine. And then we know that they
got a eugenics program here and started taking care of
people that weren't fit to pro create. We'll say so
they sterilized and did for sterilization, including on multiple people

(59:44):
in my family back then because people were marrying too closely.
Don't forget that, like it wasn't good and it was
causing all kinds. You'd get a genius, they say, you know,
and it was widely true. We would see it with
the families. They'd have this one really brilliant kid that
had no real feelings though, and then like the next
kid would be like semi normal but a little slow,

(01:00:06):
and then the next you know, whichever one was next,
not in that order per se, it would be very
deformed and not okay. So they started taking these kids
away from parents, and they did this within my family
and I know this for a fact. For two years,
they housed them up at the state and you know,
made sure none of them could have children ever. Oh's yeah,

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it's dark Stough and the Gates Foundation. Like I've said,
don't forget so Mary Gates. You know, people forget about her.
She was on the board of IBM. She's the one
that got the deal for Bill. And this is all
in this crazy rabbit hole we've been down.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Like in this and Bill Gates mom was like head
of Planned Parenthood or something like that as well too.
Then she started hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
The dad was the head of Planned Parenthood and the
mother was involved. So she was the first president of
the King's Counties United Way and the first woman to
chair the United Ways Executive Committee. And she was on
IBM's board as CEO, and John ople and the first
woman of First Interstate Bank of Washington's board of directors.

(01:01:18):
So this woman is not playing around. She's not just
sitting back in the like back section, okay, and so
she's definitely making sure things are happening. And then we've
got these these other Gates. So Solomon Mack he was
from this same line. And it says that you know,
he married Lydia Gates of Deacon Daniel Gates, and that

(01:01:43):
is his maternal grandmother. Well, when we know that and
you put in you know, is he related? Is Bill
Gates related to Deacon Gates? It comes right up. Yes,
he is. In fact, they call that line the Deacons
because it was so prevalent blah blah blah. And here
we see them working together so very often, you know,

(01:02:04):
and we see Bill and Melinda Gates continue, I dare
say they're eugenics through the you know whats and yeah,
we won't say that word. And you know, he dropped
out of Harvard in nineteen seventy five. He started the
Microsoft Software Company, made him a billionaire by thirty one,
and all of this was due to his parents' success.

(01:02:26):
In fact, his late mother, Mary Gates, was said to
be so instrumental she helped prepare Microsoft into the big leagues.
But what people don't understand is the Microsoft punch cards
through IBM. They were these little punch cards for your
race and different things about you, like if you were gay,
or if you were straight, or if you looked white

(01:02:47):
or if you look brown or all these different things
that they started running not only in Germany but in
prisons and in hospitals and everywhere. And then they go
through this Hollerith punch card reader, which is what IBM
became hugely famous for, and how he was intricoal in
the war. You know, like back then they were pushing

(01:03:09):
not him himself, but IBM at this time. And then
you know it comes down so obviously Mary Gates would
have been involved at that time in that situation. I mean, yeah,
so yeah, so was the Mormon Church. They're all John
Bircher's I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah, I was just wild. I I had no idea. Yeah,
my mind's blown though.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I had no idea that Bill Gates Joseph Smith through
mac connection.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Deacon Yeah, the deacons if they looked through Deacon Smith
or I mean Deacon Gates and Lydia Gates and that
was her name. You know, like it's very interesting. If
you just put it in is Bill Gates related to
Joseph Smith, it won't it won't come up. You got
to go through like her name or the dad's name
or somebody not Joseph Smith, and you know, go through

(01:04:00):
the old people that are dead because it's easier that way,
or they'll offfuscate it. Don't forget who runs everything? Yeah, yeah,
for sure, Yeah, you know, but it's fascinating to me
that everywhere I turn, you know, like, okay, let's do
another fun one that I haven't ever sprung on anybody else.
You guys are getting some new information today because we're

(01:04:22):
just chatting and this is where my weird rabbit hole
braank goes. So don't give don't make a woman mad
that has ADHD. It's a bad I guess. I'm sure
the Mormons are like, oh that woman. But you know,
Dallan A. Jokes was just called and he was at
the University of Chicago when he was young. In fact,

(01:04:43):
he stayed there for a decade or more, and he
was super good friends with a bunch of those you
know Chicago up at the Ups. And you know, at
this time, we know that al and Key is a
little formation of skull and bones that has never been
done anywhere else, okay, ever, ever, ever, it only came

(01:05:03):
directly from Yale to Utah. It was all sanctioned, and
then it's never happened again, Okay, not before or since.
It's very strange. And they actually came here and set
that up. It wasn't like the Mormons just copied them
or somewhere dumping. No, No, these graduates came and set
this up here in Utah. And then we start thinking

(01:05:25):
about our new prophet and where he went to school
at that time, okay. And there's something called Awlan Snake
right out there the University of Chicago. And you know,
we've got okay, what's her name, Kirk Erica Kirk's grandpa
in this weirdo Viking order that's out there at this time.

(01:05:45):
And we've got David M. Kennedy making all kinds of moves,
and you know, we've got Dallen Jokes kind of hands
in the pudding of everything of Chicago, and now he's
the prophet, seer and revelator of the Mormons. And who
is the pope? Oh he's I'm Chicago. Oh oh isn't
that fun? I bet they knew each other.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
For sure. Yeah, that's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Yeah, it makes you wonder because we know that David M.
Kennedy did go on to fund you know, the Vatican Bank,
and and that can be looked at. And I'm going
to do a whole thing on all this, but it's
so many like spider webs, it's it's it's bananas. And
so I literally look at it with all the information
I have, and I'm like, like, how do I make

(01:06:31):
this make sense right? Other than little pieces at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
But yeah, well, and that was just it was every
when I started reading about this stuff, I was just
like every pretty much every every kind of inkling I
had where I was like, Oh, I wonder if this
is related, Yep, I wonder if this is related. Yep.
It's just like every single rabbit hole I went down
led back to some some old Mormon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Old guy somewhere right or Mason's Yeah, like yeah, Winston
Chill's a fun one, right, Like where did what does
that have to do with Mormons. Oh, well, you know
they were pretty and good with the Mormons. Winston Churchill
was and who else was he in good with? Well,
he was such good friends with Onasa's that it is
reported that Onasa's changed his diapers for him. So like,

(01:07:18):
I think that's a pretty good friend. Yeah, you know,
in my opinion, Yeah, as a nurse, I'm you know,
not too many people would do that. And Onasas had
a great love for Winston Churchill. But also what was
he rumored to be in, Oh, that's right, the Illuminati.
So you know, we start looking at this and every

(01:07:40):
time I bring up Mason's people are like, oh, Scottish Rite.
I'm like, no, it's too new. Back then it would
have only have been arranged maybe fifty to seventy five
years and to get here and get widespread. And plus
we know, you know that Joseph was part of the
York Right and he was raised to a masson in

(01:08:00):
one day, which is super interesting because he was super young.
And we also know, you know that he did all
this wo woo stuff right, like he's drawing magic circles
and Susan and witchcrafty stuff. So I dare say the
miseram right fits that much better, you know, which people
won't like because every single time I say that, I

(01:08:23):
get about six emails how it's not that and I
should look harder, and I'm like, listen, I'm going to
tell you guys that this right is very old, okay,
the right of miseram and or Martinism, we can call
it that. And yes it broke into pieces, okay. And
people will say, well, it's all in the heart because
Saint Martin and black Okay, true, but you forget that

(01:08:46):
Cagliostro was a part of that, and he wasn't all
about the heart, and he really liked to practice magic,
and he actually went to Haiti at some point. So
we have to know that Cagliostro was also the name
that you know, Crowley said he came back and was Cagliostro.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, he's not a probably you know, nice guy. I mean,
I don't know him personally, but I think he was
up to a lot. Uh. And you know, we know
that Joseph Smith was getting a lot of knowledge from
somebody named Luhman Walters. He liked to call himself that
Luhmen like light bringer like the light uh huh, and
he just got back from France. And actually when he

(01:09:29):
got back from France, they said he was godless and
they ran him out of town. Uh. Well, that's interesting.
I wonder what he was up to, you know. And
we know that this was one of his teachers. We
also know he wasn't a dumb farm boy. He was
practicing Hebrew with a Jewish person that had converted and

(01:09:49):
teaching Joseph all kinds of things. Would you practice Hebrew
if you couldn't write an English letter? Like, now, that's crazy,
that's nuts, like Hebrew's ho you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah, well yeah, that's like you always say. Is like
he was displayed as like an unlearned man, but yet
he was like seem to have the answers for everything,
so right, not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Because he was doing solomonic magic, which, by the way,
to this day the two kind of magic people don't
really want to practice unless they're very adept at it.
They'll even tell you like, hey, bro, don't just go
doing this at home because you might like scriw up
your whole life and ruin your life. Right, is Solomonic
magic and in Okian magic, which are the two things.
Joseph Smith was definitely practicing. And we look at this

(01:10:38):
and it definitely aligns with this Right of Misery, And
because it says they're actual practitioners of magic, they don't
just read about it and become like ultra knowledge people.
That's a lot of the Scottish Rite like they don't
necessarily I can't say for all Okay lodges, but they don't.
Not everybody's out there practicing magic in the moonlight. They're

(01:10:58):
just really not okay. They're probably having dinners and learning
some weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I just theoretic for a lot of them, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yeah, it's all in your mind, like this Saint Martin,
you know, and I'm not discounting that the mind is
a very important thing. But also when we look at this,
I know that he practically applied it. When did he
get the plates? The plates? He got on the Fall
Equinox in the middle of the night, dressed in all
black and he had to, you know, take certain things

(01:11:29):
or the angel wouldn't talk to him. And these are
in the spring in the fall. The Right of miseryam
says that's when they can conjure and speak with angels.
So uh, you know, it kind of fits.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I'm listening to you, listening to you in preparing
for this. I heard you mentioned there's another time where
that date comes into play.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Is that during the Salem witch trials.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yes, this is my favorite thing ever. Is that Joseph
Smith his great great grandpa, Samuel Smith. You'll find too,
there's Samuel Smith, the senior, and then the second, which
is Captain Samuel Smith. You'll often see him listed as captain.
But they're not smart people, you know. It wasn't like
he was a selectman, yes he was. It wasn't like

(01:12:15):
he had ESQ after this last name, yes he did, so, right,
we're not talking about stupid, dumb people. Okay, we're just
not on either side. His mother was learned too. You know.
His father actually filled in as a school teacher sometimes,
and so his mom was basically like a lay midwife,
which is very important back then, knowing what we know.

(01:12:37):
But yes, so the first Samuel born in sixteen sixty six.
Isn't that a fun date? Especially knowing sabatite. Anyway, we
won't go down that weird rabbit hole. But I'm telling
you this. He was born, and he was born near
Salem and he gets himself entangled in this whole Mary
Easty thing. And she was actually hung on that day

(01:13:00):
and she died and said, I am dying as an
innocent woman, and I hope you all get what you deserve.
She kind of she kind of put that out there.
She didn't necessarily curse curse them, but she was like,
God knows the truth, and I'm sticking in that and
you'll get yours. And so she just kind of left
it at that. And he literally put that nail in

(01:13:21):
her coffin because he was one of the few men
that actually came against her. Why would he do that
while the Goulds, who are critical, they're good friends with
the Putnams, that is his in laws, and so it's
all about money. They're having a back and forth fight,
you know, and oftentimes the alchemists and different things. Back then,

(01:13:42):
you know, they were the ones that were accusing other
people that knew that they could do certain things. And so,
you know, Mary Eastie, I think was just collateral damage,
you know, for that family. But it was very sad
and it was the same exact day one hundred and
something years later where Joseph Smith get it's these plates
and you know, we have to always remember the angel

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said no, you need to bring your brother, and the
brother died, and then they dug him up to say
they didn't dig him up, to show that they didn't
do anything just because you guys are gossiping. And then
they ran that in the paper like five times. Yeah,

(01:14:27):
that's all weird. You know, I can't say that I
know for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Do you think there was maybe like a little bit
of a necromancy plan going on there with that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Or well, we have a joke, is that maybe Alvin
had a hand in Mormonism. We just don't know. But
I know this. They also moved Joseph and high rom
multiple times. I don't think those graves have any bones
in them, to be honest, I think they're all where
they need to be. And I'm sure that means an
altars and different things. Yeah, I think necromancy plays a

(01:15:00):
huge part. You know, some of the things that happen here,
uh in the temples. You know they're they're doing weird
circle prayers around an altar. We have no idea what's
in there, no idea. I mean, you know, we don't
know what we're conjuring when we take a name on
by proxy. We don't know what's happening with any of that.

(01:15:20):
And by the way, would you have loved to be
the person that you know you are the proxy of
this person? They did Hitler? I mean, what if you
got that name that day? And Ava Braun and all
the Jews that died for everything they believed in and
a Frank and that really pissed some people off. And
so they kind of got in trouble for that. But

(01:15:41):
then they start doing it again. They said they'd quit it,
but they didn't. So just yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Let the buzz die down. Yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
And you know, it's just kind of wild to me that,
you know, there's multiple mentions of those Mormons. Don't let
those Mormons get me after my death, Like people were
putting this in their wills before it was even released,
that it was a thing that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's all that's that's I mean,
that goes back to like the solomonic magic, right, all
the like the necromancy stuff. That's that's yes, yeah, and
another thing I have to worry about. Yeah, they will
get you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, it doesn't matter if you. People always say, well,
I'm not a Mormon. I'm like, it doesn't matter if
you are related very distantly thirty of cousins to some Mormon,
they're going to do your work. They're going to get you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Yeah, weird synchronicity with the twenty three and me stuff.
So my wife is adopted, and had I known what
twenty three and me was when at the time, I
probably wouldn't have bought this for her. But it was
always a conversation where she didn't really know her family
lineage and stuff. So one year for Christmas, I got
her twenty three and Me, and through that, her biological

(01:16:58):
father actually ended up finding her and turns out his
whole family is Mormon.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
So it's just like, I don't worry if they would
have got you anyway. I always tell people I did
it too, because it was like all the rage at
Christmas time kind of and I did both. I did
ancestry and twenty three of mes both, And you know,
I just tell people, don't forget they take your blood
when you're born, out of your soul, out of your soul,

(01:17:27):
of your foot. You know. Those pictures of that institution
where they keep the genealogy files are very interesting. The
size of their drawers are not big file drawers like
you would think like papers would be big. They're these
little drawers and they look like the Dewey Decimal System

(01:17:47):
size drawers, but longer like an envelope. And that's what
size the pkus are that we do a berth on
every single baby ever born, and one set goes to
the state and there's another one that I don't know
where that goes. And so, yeah, the shareholdings in Utah

(01:18:07):
are interesting, and not just Utah, but the Mormon Church
and labs and medical things. Yeah, very interesting. So makes
you wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean there's yeah, there were so
many questions I had. I was trying to keep it
sort of concise, but then there's just these kind of
random questions that came up all over the place. I know,
I have one big random question. Is it this one
that is the one? Yeah? Yeah, okay, you can ask
it though, go ahead, Okay. So I wanted to obviously

(01:18:38):
trying to find Canadian ties, Like you know, we're out
on the West Coast, We're on Vancouver Island, so the
whole Sasquatch lore is big out here. It's it's kind
of embedded into everything. And I was. I forget what
episode I was listening to, but you were talking about
some sort of connection between Mormon's Caine and and their
belief in Bigfoot. Can you kind of break that down?

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
So Mormon Kane, they do. They believe that it's well,
this is old time. Okay. If you went up to
somebody nowadays and said, do you believe Bigfoot is kin?
They might look at you like you're crazy because they
won't know this stuff. This is clear back from an
apostle in nineteen hundreds I believe, let's see probably eighteen hundreds.

(01:19:23):
But E Wesley Smith, son of the prophet Joseph F. Smith.
So this is the line of Joseph Smith. Okay, spoke
about this and a Journal of Mormon History, Mormon Bigfoot,
David Patten's kin and concept of evil in LDS folklore.
So they're talking about Late Leah, Hawaii temple was dedicated

(01:19:44):
in nineteen twenty one, and E. Wesley experienced the following events.
A man came through the door, and he was tall
enough to stoop when he had to enter. His eyes
were protruding and wild. His fingernails were thick and long
and presented an unkempt appearance and wore no clothing at all.
Then suddenly appeared in Smith's right hand a light which

(01:20:04):
had the size of an appearance of a dagger. A
voice said, this is your priesthood. He commanded the person
in the name of the Lord Jesus to depart, and
immediately the person was commanded to leave and went out
the back door. So that's one of them. Also, like
another one was saying he was walking and you know,

(01:20:26):
somebody came up on him and it was reportedly Caine,
and he looked like a very strange man, and they
thought it was bigfoot. Although now they will say, oh,
that was just a big hairy man that was not
of white color, and they try to blame it on
weird like racism. I'm sorry. I think people know the

(01:20:46):
difference between a darker colored man and a crazy wild
looking beast, you know. Ye, the way they're describing it
is like very scary. And so they all say in
one of them that Caane the bigfoot. Kane mate it
with the women, the Mormon women, and put that line

(01:21:10):
into the Mormon line. All these are old wise tales now, yeah,
so most people don't know about them at all. But yeah,
They're quite interesting, that is for sure. Yes, so there's
like I said, multiple a lot of these people are apostles,

(01:21:30):
and so that gives it a little more cred. Also,
LDS Spencer W. Kimball, he was a prophet and spoke
about this story of Cain to be a fugitive and
a vagabond and have to roam the world all the
days of his life, and that was in miracle of forgiveness.
Relying on the experience of David W. Patton, one of
the Quorum of the Twelve, and he literally said he

(01:21:52):
spoke with this creature for some time. And so they
also say that there have been sightings in Utah and
especially whenever they dedicate a new temple interest So for
the cornerstone, which guess what, they quit doing it last year.
They announced they're not doing cornerstone ceremonies anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Really, did they give a reason or.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Just they just said they're not going to do it anymore.
And I thought, did everybody see bigfoot cane one day
and they got scared? I don't know what happened, but
it made me laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
I was like, oh, yeah, that's not Yeah. I thought,
it's just the whole bigfoot thing was kind of and
the fact that he's like, you know, kind of a
vagabond forced to travel around, and the whole thing with
sasquatches that he travels through portals, right, Like he uses
the trees and the forests portals to and he's sort
of like a watcher kind of figure. So yeah, I
just isn't that weird?

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
And then knowing all the mountains we have here, and
I don't know if you've ever been out this way,
but I mean Canada probably has some awesome mountains too.
We have some very big mountains. You know, they're not heels,
they're big. Yeah. Yeah, could it hide here? Sure? Maybe
maybe there's a whole plan of them. I don't even

(01:23:09):
know about Mormon women bigfoot things. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Yeah, when they travel through the monoliths that are there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Maybe right well the grand.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Kids yeah yeah, cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
I mean Utah is a weird place. It's like one
of the few places in the world that you could
be here in northern Utah and you could see snow
and mountains and greenery. I mean, it's still more dryish,
but you know, it's not like Canada. I've been to Canada.
It's beautiful. That's a whole different thing. That greenery is
not what we have, but we have a lot of

(01:23:45):
pines and different things. And then we have the desert
and it and this weird sandstone you know, like all
of this red rock and in the other part, and
then we have like barren lands, I mean mines one
of the biggest copper mines in the world that can
be seen from supposedly space. They say, run by king

(01:24:06):
of England, but hm.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
I digress were saying something about limestone and stuff too,
and there's like a bunch of temples built on different
limestone deposits and that's totally like a freemasonry thing as well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
That was about the city of Kingston, Ontario, known as
the Limestone City.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Awesome, Yeah, we use granted there. But yeah they so
they say, yeah that they got it from the quarry,
which is really far away. I'm like, okay, granite blocks
the way of Bagillan, I mean, okay, whatever you say.
I don't know how that happened, but yeah, yeah, who knows.
It's weird. It's you know, there's a lot of folklore,

(01:24:47):
but there's also a lot of things that don't make
a whole ton of sense and the reason, you know,
I step back and look at it. Like Brigham Young
comes here and he says, this is the place. We
have a lake. It's full of salt. It's got like
forty or fifty times more salt in it than the ocean.

(01:25:07):
Its makeup is the closest to the Dead Sea. But
there's nothing else even similarly close. Like that's the best
they can get. And it's still not it, Like it's
not as close as it needs to be, Like it's
it's harsh lands, it's hard to cultivate. I'm like, what
on earth was he doing? Like was that temple already
partially here?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
I don't know, Yeah, right, was it already pre chosen? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
And they relocate it so that temple is built one
hundred and eleventh degree, And funny enough, the Odd Fellows
Temple which is here, and we have a cool Masonic
temple too, but they're all on the same one. But
they had to move the Odd Fellows Temple again, maybe
earthquakes are something, and now it's also on the one
hundred and eleventh degree.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Huh, So they just keep shifting things around as they do,
they move the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Whole building instead of tearing it down right, that's weird. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, yeah, there's some hidden history here for sure.
They don't talk about the odd fellows. They don't talk
about masonry a ton. I didn't know I was a mason.
I didn't know what masonry was. I didn't know I
was wearing masonry on my undergarments. You know, if they

(01:26:17):
could choose your underwear for you, I think you're pretty
much brainwashed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Yeah, I'll tell that to my wife then, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Yeah, I think so. You know, like, oh, man, so
it's such a weird, you know, situation. And by the
time you're in it, well I was born in it,
but for my ex husband who wasn't he was Roman Catholic.
You know, by the time you're in it, and that's
your brotherhood. You know, they call you brother whatever, sister whatever,
very magical terms. You know, they used to call it

(01:26:49):
Broyer and Sawyer. Actually, the eldest Plagamusts still do. And
you know, Joseph would arrange even his counsels from youngest
and oldest youngest in a magical half circle like it's
all very witchcrafty, and he knew some things like I
don't care what they say he did. But by the

(01:27:09):
time you're in it, I don't know that you really
think anything's weird anymore because you're like, oh, that's just
what we do.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, like daylight savings. Yeah, it's just what
you do, even though it screws up, makes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
No sense, Yeah, it makes no sense, but it's just
what we do. Yeah, because we're not farm I mean,
not that many of us are farming anymore, you know,
like we don't have to be home by the time
the plowing or whatever they were doing there, I don't
know what, but yeah, yeah, it makes not a lot
of sense for sure, But here we are, and here

(01:27:42):
we are. You know, the masonry ties are huge. Brigham
Young continues that, you know through I would say even
more so than Joseph Smith, because you know, but there's
some you know, he married the widow of the whole
Morgan affair. Did you know that? And then oh, both

(01:28:05):
Joseph Ambrigham ended up marrying her, and so just strange
things all the way around, completely intertwined. The society of
Cincinnati is in there, uh you guys with the General
e Lee thing up at Canada, and he goes there
and then he's like in here with the Mormons, you
know good, and they still do this Alfalfa Club, which

(01:28:27):
Mitt Romney was the president of. You see John Bircher's
and the Rotary, all of these things intertwined, and people
still want to tell me, I'm I'm crazy. You guys
out there are crazy if you don't see the connects.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Yeah, looks like at the time it quacks like a duck.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Right. Yeah. By the time we all figure it out,
it's gonna be too late because they bred like ten
million kids and we're all screwed. Ye yes, oh boy,
and you genicized the ones that didn't work out for them,
you know, like what it's.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
I mean, yeah, we have to look forward to here, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
You hear them push this eugenics thing, but not for
Elon Musk he's making babies every other minute, not for
you know, the people in the club. So yeah, I
dare say, yeah, oh well, yeah, I think that they
definitely figured out some things on that Jens. And it's

(01:29:28):
scary really honestly if you look at the first profit
after Okay, so you got the two guys that look
just completely like like I said, of maybe Jewish ancestry
somewhere not Pasidic Jews, but probably Ashkenazi type. Look, which
that's neither here nor there. I'm just saying it's going

(01:29:49):
to rapidly change with the next one. And he looks
really weird and he's got this crazy eye and all
this stuff and all his name and it's a smith
as well, and you just step back and go, what's
going on over there? Like what happened with this? You know?
And I'm not saying people can't look crazy, but it

(01:30:09):
almost looks like they were, I don't know, messing around stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Yeah, it's just someone tube on the way to the well. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
And my mom said they used to give all these
women back in the day, even when she was young,
these vitamin drops that were like liquid here. And I
was like, boy, that would be a super smart way
to do that if you were doing that during pregnancy.
That's what she said they had to do. And so
I'm like, oh, that's weird, you know, like what I mean.

(01:30:41):
And they're also bringing in people from Sweden and bringing
in like very white and delight some type people bringing
them in. They're also marrying into the mickmac on purpose
so that they can get their magical qualities. You know
that was literally said. And also to do them a
favor enlighten up their children, and oh that's what they said,

(01:31:02):
to buy their children and marry the women so that
they could help them become more white and delights them.
And there's even talks that actually use that wordage. I
can see my Kneephite sisters getting lighter and lighter. I'm like, yeah,
you can, because you killed everybody, like well yeah, and
then all the kids in that area. You know, if

(01:31:25):
we talk about Lanzo Meadows, they're all Mary and Joseph
for tons of tons of years, like all the mickmac
named their kids Mary and Joseph, Mary and Joseph Mary,
and my great great grandma was Mary. Like it just
goes all the way down like that, and they force
that on them. But but there's templar, you know, presence
there way before Columbus, like way before Columbus.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
It's interesting. Canada connection with this is very interesting, and
especially with Jason mack. I you know, there was rumors
that he lived with the mcmac Indians and so it
really makes you wonder it's not just rumors, it's like
in books. That's where I got that from.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Well, it makes it honestly makes sense that they would
do that because that's like, you know, the wu W.
Canada is a very sort of like I don't know,
not a very religious place all in all, Like there's
most people are kind of indifferent towards spirituality here, which
is sad, but you know, like at the the culture
and the spiritual side of Canada exists with our indigenous communities, right,

(01:32:33):
so if they came, what.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
About like Rosicrucianism or spiritualism.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I mean, it's it's obviously in tied in like our parliament,
our parliamentary system and on all that. But if you
ask the average Canadian, they won't even know what the
word rosicrucian means, you know. So it's that's such.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
A good way to hide it too, like if no
one believes they can do whatever they want because nobody cares, right,
Like everybody's like, yeah, that guy's weird, but he's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
You know. Canadians are very like you know, when you
meet that like arrogant atheist, and it's like, in my view,
it's like atheism is one of the silliest beliefs ever
because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Like because it's nothing, Yeah, because it's nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Yeah, exactly. But that's kind of that kind of the
vibe up here where it's like, yeah, people are are
sort of self righteous and like, while I'm past that
kind of you know intellectually. Yeah it is, it's ridiculous, but.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Yeah no, I mean they probably think it's so silly
that you're talking about like God or something like you said,
they're past that. Oh you're so silly.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Oh even just start even just start parliamentary like the
the uh rituals of like how they bring parliament into
into play every year, and it's everything's a ritual. Everything
is either a humiliation ritual where they like drag the
speaker of the house down, you know, like it's it's
so it's out in plain sight. But people just view

(01:33:54):
it as this, like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
This is what we do. Yeah, just marmali, Im just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Always face the queen. The anthem's playing for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Yeah, And it's funny how much you can see the
occult in things. But like you said, people will just say,
that's just what we do. You know, Mormons, same thing,
That's just what we do. Why do you wear funny underwear?
I don't know, that's what my Grandma, did you know?
Like and and it does, it stays and if and
people always say, well, it's not magic, that's stupid. Magic

(01:34:28):
doesn't work. And I'm like, if it didn't work, it'd
be gone.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Yeah, God, yeah, exactly, it works.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
I don't want to see it work. I'm good, but
I'm just saying I don't doubt that people, you know,
gave up their lives for this. And every time we
turn around, we see like a Croley, but he's a spy,
you know. We see the guy that ran the orphand trains.
He's a spy. And so all these people that we see,

(01:34:56):
they're constantly intertwined with government and some weird stuff or religion. Right,
he was religious pastor and so and I got in
trouble once. Somebody said he's a pariah and I said
he was aspy and in a secret society that they
won't name. It's even worse than freemasonry.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
And and it's constant. And so when I look at it,
I'm like, look, this is when people say that there's going
to be a one world religion. I'm like, you're late.
It's here, yeah, And it's only for the elites, and
we are all the goyam.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah you know, oh yeah, I'm I'm with you on
that one. Unfortunately I'm with you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Yeah, Yeah, it's sad. It's sad because you know, there's
there's some stuff for the initiated and other stuff like
what with your grandpa, That's exactly what was going on,
is he was telling you some advanced initiation stuff where
you know, typically they're not supposed to really same for Mormons,
like that's not for the uninitiated, but he is soon

(01:36:00):
probably you would follow, you know, in those footsteps or whatnot,
so he probably felt safe doing that as your family.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
So yeah, and I honestly, I've encountered a lot of
Masons in my life that have been very friendly towards me,
and I've always kind of thought it was like, dude,
do you know who my great grand grandfather is? Like
some how did you just happen to be in my
life kind of thing. It's really strange.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yeah, they're probably trying to, you know, be important there.
And also you know, overall, just like the Mormons, they've
got plenty of people that are just nice people trying
to get to heaven or nice people trying to get
to their whatever level. I work with a Mason, like
paranoid Americans. A Mason, you know, he's out there with it.
I don't care. I don't care what anybody wants to do.

(01:36:47):
Here's the thing. But when you oppress people, or you
force things, or you hide it and you lie, that's
why I'm I speak out because we are as Mormon
people and I'll say we because I was raised in it.
We are lied to from the very moment of the time.
You can speak and just indign inundated, inundated with all

(01:37:11):
this stuff, and then they wonder why you're mad and
can't leave it alone once you find out this is
a lie. Well, my whole thing is people say you
can leave Mormonism, but you can't leave it alone, or
you know, just shut up and move on with your life.
Geezz nothing worse than an XM so cringey, But you
ought to read the comments and I'm like, okay, but

(01:37:32):
if you found out that we were all gonna, you know,
perish in a building here in twenty minutes, and you
knew first, and you had twenty minutes to get everybody out,
would you just.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Leave that's right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Or would you start helping people get the hell out
of there, you know. Yeah, And so that's me. I
would probably end up perishing myself trying to get people
out of there. That's just who I am as a
human being, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Yeah. And have you had I imagine you've had a
decent amount of backlash from some of your shows, But
have you on the other end of it. Have you
had people that are like, oh my god, thank you
for letting me know I'm not doing this anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Yes, you know, the hate is more like on percentage wise,
I would say it's like a ninety to ten percent ratio.
But that's okay because even if you plant the little
seeds and they don't know now, it took twenty years
for me to change. So never just count it out
or think that it doesn't matter. Maybe you said one

(01:38:35):
tiny thing that's going to help somebody, you know, And
I try really hard to help people on their exit
out or whatever. If they write me, I'll answer like
I try not to be like, oh, just don't read
the comments, and there's so much hate that it would
be easy not to. But through the hate, there's like
certain comments where you're like, oh, that person needs help,

(01:38:57):
Like the twenty seventh comment down. You know, yeah, so
it's worth it. I mean that's the whole reason why
I did this, and so I was very god led
in this. I don't feel like this was a me thing.
I don't think I ever would have dreamed this up
in my wildest dreams to come and expose my entire
not just my life, but my ancestry. Like everything is

(01:39:19):
on view for people at all times. If your hair
looks bad or you're having a bad you know, whatever
the case may be. Like I have asthma off and
on on pregnozone, so sometimes my face will look weird
or whatever that situation is. You learn to get past it,
and you learned that the message is what you're really
supposed to focus on because maybe you're going to help somebody,

(01:39:42):
and so you know that's worth it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Yeah yeah, well, I mean they say, like all you
need is twenty percent for a revolution, right, so in
whatever it is, So if you're right, you're halfway there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Right, Yeah, it's good. I mean whatever people do with it,
that's okay. At least they have the truth. And if
the LDS Church came out tomorrow and said, look, yeah,
we used to be this Witchcraft, weirdo cult. But now
we're this kind of cult and we do this instead.
And they still do some of that weird stuff too,
But you know, if they were just honest with it,
kind of like Freemasons, even though they don't tell you

(01:40:17):
the whole thing, you know, some things like everybody knows, like,
oh they're weird a little bit, or they do this
or that. There's little rumors, you know, instead of just
us believing because we don't get those little like oh
have you heard blah blah because we're in Utah and
nobody talks like that because everybody's in the club, like everybody,

(01:40:39):
and so there's no one to help anyone, and you know,
we all just do it. Why, just like parliament, that's
what we do here. And so I want to be
at least some voice of reason for people. And that way,
if the church ever came out and said you know
what you got us like yep, and then or even
if said yeah, we're just a normal organization until you

(01:41:02):
get to this level and it gets a little weird.
Even if it was just that, you know, like yeah,
we do some weird stuff here or whatever, then it
would be a lot different than what they do to people.
They just lie And you're supposed to be people of
God and you lie your asses off and you're working
with Nazis and getting funded, like come on, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Yeah yeah, follow the money, follow the power. That's always
the way it is, right crazy, Well, on that yeah,
on that note, I want I don't want to keep
you all day, but I really really appreciate you jumping
on with us. This is a lot of funs. Yeah,
thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
I have a lot to unpack now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
That's how I feel every day.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Yeah, I'm just gonna go stare at a wall for
the next hour, yeah, and break it all down, but.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Get some string and make a little yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. But yeah, I guess I'm sorry.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Oh. I was just gonna say. The one thing, the
one mistake I definitely think that they made recently is
the whole Charlie Kirk thing. I think that that has
blown open a hole literally in the middle of Utah,
and people are just exposing, like all the bees are
coming out of the Hi episode to speak. And you know,
even Candice OANs is talking about Mormons, which by the

(01:42:27):
I mean she's whatever too.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
But I'm just saying, yeah, anyone's isle to me, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
You know she's on the Who's Who and all the
things like it. I mean, we don't. We can't trust
anybody but even me. So that's why I say, oh,
look it up, like, I hope they do trust me.
But you know, I try to give the past for
them to go see so that they can see for themselves.
Yeah for sure, for sure, but thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Well yeah, no, I guess yeah, before we go here
for anything, you want to let the people know and yeah,
tell them why can find and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Yeah, perfect, and anytime, and if you guys want to
come on as well, that would be a fun talk.
Maybe we can talk about your grandfa stuff that'd be cool. Yeah, yeah, definitely,
or even about Canada in general. We love Canada. Me
and my husband been up there quite a few times.
So actually my next my listeners, their second on my
list under America is Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Oh really yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
We went on a big trip to Banff and whatnot
right as I started. And once you get those first listeners,
they kind of stayed, which I'm grateful. So Hi, Canada,
I love you. It's beautiful there and so Yeah, I'm
Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm everywhere podcasts are served.
You can find me also Unfiltered rizpodcast dot com if

(01:43:47):
you want to not be on a podchaser. But the
best place to find me is on Spotify because a
lot of my episodes cannot go on YouTube, especially the
new ones cannot. I did a recent interview the Ninth Gate.
There's no way that's going to be allowed on YouTube.
This eugenic stuff, no way, Like it's just it's they're
not gonna let me do it. So please find me there.

(01:44:10):
Once a week on YouTube, I'll drop something that will
work like that. They won't, you know, freak completely out.
But I got digged a few times and so I
chilled out on that. Patreon also has some really cool
medical stuff right now. And I think we're going to
be headed into a new series, so you get two
extra shows a month. That's how I do it. I
don't I don't split my episodes. I don't like to

(01:44:32):
do that, and you'll just get the two extra episodes.
I think we're going to be headed into the diseases
that caused like serial killers or the diseases that they
may have already pre existingly had, and so we did
a carnival series like all the weird deformities that used
to happen that don't happen so much anymore. So me
and Deplorable Nation do that together. Jana, She's amazing, and

(01:44:56):
so all of that you can find on my Patreon
for five bucks and no commercials, so that's fun too.
I also I'm on Twitter or x or whatever they
want to call it now. I'm much more active on
there than Instagram because you can be you know, they
kind of let you go. So yeah, well find me
there and I'm happy to come on anytime. This was

(01:45:16):
a blast, and anytime I can talk to somebody and
like we just get into the weeds, it's it's kind
of fun for me.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
So yeah, for sure, Yeah, no, for sure, Yeah, I'm yeah, yeah,
this was great. I'm anytime you got you want to
jump on or whatever. Definitely keep in touch.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Awesome. Sounds good you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Thanks, Hidi, have a great day. Okay, take it easy.

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