243. Deliver Them From Evil

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm awake, are you. I wonder how many miles I've fallen.
It seems that I'll get to the center of the year. Curious,
isn't it? And really nothing is quite impossible. Let's go
now to our new episode of The Unfiltered Rise with
Me Heidi Love. Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode

(00:23):
of The Unfiltered Rise with Me Heidi Love. And today
I have back with me a reoccurring guest. You may
remember him, I sure do. He was on the first podcast,
Well I ever almost did.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I did one solo and then I came on a
panel with Brennan. Brennan, how you doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm doing great. It's good to be back. It's been
a while.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm excited for this. You know, it's almost been three years.
Isn't that wild?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I think we can all attest that twenty twenty feels
like twenty minutes ago and twenty years ago. So I
don't really know what is at this point.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
We probably are in a Mendo effect and maybe you know,
it's not even the year we think it is anymore.
I don't know, but I do know this. Brennan was
there when I did my first down low on the Mormons,
you guys like he was the one that I came
on for a totally different chat. The first one I
ever did was about tunnels and a high school, and

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then Brennan was there for the Mormon breakdown my beginnings.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's you know, we say, hey, we're doing your deliverance now,
but really the most important thing that we can do
for you is we can give you a toolkit that's
going to help you live free for the rest of
your life, because unfortunately, it's exactly like what Ephesian's success.
We live in a very spiritual warfare environment, like this
side of eternity until the Kingdom comes, until Jesus separates

(01:48):
the sheet from the goats and throws everything into the
like of fire, there's gonna be spiritual warfare, and you
know we're gonna fall short in areas, so we need
to cultivate a life of freedom. So I mean, I
try to do this daily. Sometimes I forget, but you know,
I gotta sit down at the end of the day. Jesus,
I choose for pet for yelling at that guy in

(02:09):
traffic because he hanked me, and I asked that you
bless him. And you start to cultivate that rhythm and
that pattern, so you don't get into those places where
you feel like you've hoarded all this stuff anymore. It's
so much easier to see the cobweb in the corner
and go through and clean it out than it is
too because I think that's the thing is, like most

(02:30):
people they're either late twenties, thirties, forties, whatever, they just
have all this stuff and they don't even know where
to start, so they just never want to start. But
you know, once you go through that process and you
find that first like deliverance, like there's nothing better than
living in freedom.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, and it makes you feel like I don't know,
not that I'm like I said, maybe I did it,
maybe I didn't do it one hundred whatever. I fel
like I'm definitely walking the path. But I feel like
you you change who really who you are, like how
you react, Like now my daughter will be like that
guy cut you off, and I'm like, oh, he just

(03:12):
needed to get over or what not.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Every time.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Sometimes if it's crazy, I mean I might be like
what the but you know, it's it's fine. Like most
of the time, most things are like whatever, you know,
I will say this that's really weird. After that happened,
I got a dog. And I've never had a dog,
not one that picked me. I had dogs, but never

(03:36):
a dog that was mine that chose me right like,
because I was never an animal person and they really
didn't like me that much.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
And I'm allergic to cats. So the cats liked me, I.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Couldn't really like them, and I try to die every
time I'm around them. So this dog of mine, he's
like my child. Now he's the best one because he
listens better than the rest. He's he's like so important
to me. And I didn't get the people that had
the dog on their keychain and stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Now that's me. But also other dogs, other people's dogs.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Like I'll be at the store and they're seeing eye
dog or whatever and I'm like, oh my gosh, like no, no,
stay there, like dog dogs that never do that. They're
like that dog never does that, Like that's a weird thing.
I think that's happened. And babies, but the babies always
did that. I think that's just a nurse thing or
a mom thing. I have a lot of kids, so
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
But the more spirit like, yeah, I think you know,
as Christians, like we should we should find those things
normal that people would be drawn to us, you know,
because if I mean, as we were just talking about
the fruit of the spirit, you know, when you are
exuding those things, because the spirit right is driving not

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your soul or your body, like, You're gonna have more patience,
You're gonna have more gentleness, You're gonna have more kindness.
I mean even since probably the last two years, when
you know, when I got baptized in the spirit, like
people literally are like, dude, your eyes are like your
eyes are glowing, Like I had brown eyes, but you know,
if you see him in person, they're almost like yellow

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or kind of look fiery, and they they were dull before.
And I was a you know, I was a believer,
and I think that's something too to even just talk about.
Is like, you know, for me, I grew up like
I got baptized when I was twenty I got water
baptized when I was twenty something, you know, but I
didn't I didn't see any evidence when it came to
like gifts of the spirit, and so I was, you know,

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you just you're taught, okay, well, when you you know,
you get baptized, you get you received the spirit and
then everything's the same. But well, when I had the
experience where I started praying in the spirit, I was like,
something is different because that I've never done that before. So,
you know, I was reading through the scripture and I
mean think about Apoulos and in acts where it talks
about he was he was a believer, he believed in Jesus.

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He was a Jesus believing jew was walking around doing
you know, evangelism, and he runs into a Paul and
Poll's like, well, did you get the Holy Spirit? And
he's like, I don't even know what that is. And
he's like, okay, well let me let me show you
the next level to it. And so he, you know,
he takes them and some other guys and they go
and they have baptize in the Only Spirit. And so

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that was another thing in Hebrew six where it says,
you know, laying on his hands and baptisms, and I
read it like four times and then I zoomed in
on it and then I was like, that's plural. I'd
never read it as pearl as plural, so you know,
it's it's really interesting, and I think that there's I
think there is a case to be made that the

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first baptism in the spirit that we see is Jesus'
baptism when the dove sents. And because of that, he's
able to carry out all these miracles and all these things.
And that's why he says, greater things you're going to
do than even I did, because you're gonna have this,
you know. That's why John says, I can baptize you

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with water, but there's one that's going to baptize you
and fire. And so I think, you know, just being
able to do deliverance, you know, and if you're if
you're a believer, you have that authority, You have that
same Holy Spirit. There is nothing different between me or
you know, Prince or Isaia Salvadar or your pastor. There's

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no difference. We all have the same Holy Spirit and
we all carry the same authority.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
But for people that are unsure, why why don't you
let them know about something that has happened that has
definitely manifested where you are?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Like, whoa that is dark?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
So because you're going to get some people that say
this is a bunch of shenanigans, this a bunch of lies.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Oh, like what evidence have I seen about it?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Well this is tricky because I do want to clarify.
I think a lot of people, especially when they come
into the ministry, they're very, very nervous because they've seen
movies like The Exorcists, and it paints deliverance in a
really like brutal dark light where it doesn't have to

(08:08):
be like that. So it's important. And I always tell
people when they're nervous, I say have you watched The Exorcists?
And they're like, yeah, I've seen it, And I'm like, okay, well,
you know that that movie is not based on Catholic exorcisms.
That movie is based on an ancient Babylonian text about
a white magician who is trying to replace a black

(08:29):
spirit in someone. That is a power struggle between black
magic and white magic. We're not fighting that battle. We
have all the power in all the authority. So when
we come into a room, we have a prayer that
we pray, and we set it up exactly like a
court room, and we say, all right, any unclean spirits
in this room, you're in court. Jehovah, God is above,

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he is the judge. Jesus is here, his mystery angels
are here. Here's what you're allowed to do, here's what
you're not allowed to do, and if you don't follow
those inscriptions, it's going to be even worse for you. So,
I mean, we have seen, you know, obviously, we've seen manifestations,
and honestly, the manifestations that I've seen that are the
most we'll call it flamboyant, are probably telling.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
You all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'm like, right, and he's like, why did you stay?
I'm like, because she clearly needed somebody. He's like, why
you're so weird?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
And he just like I always joke with my wife
that I need to get face tattoos so that people
will not tell me their life story.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
But they probably still will.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, well, I think I know. It's like I think
that's you know, as believers or people who you know,
follow Jesus, like culturally we're told like you're not supposed
to talk about that, you're not supposed to make people uncomfortable.
I mean, people more now than ever are just hungry
to find purpose. They're hungry to find meaning, and you know,
especially after everything that happened with you know, Charlie Kirk,

(09:55):
like everyone's witnessing a spiritual battle. Playout, and so for
the first time there were so many people who were like,
I don't see right and left anymore. I only see
good and evil, and there's something spiritual behind this. So
I think the last barn A study that came out
said that even amongst Bible believing Christians, six out of

(10:17):
ten don't believe in a spiritual realm.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Really, I didn't be.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
That numbers that normal. That number was only going upwards,
and I mean, I'm assuming it's probably going down now.
But that's wild to me to think that you could
go into a church and over half the people would
tell you you're crazy if you believe the Satans real.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
No way, no way, like they I mean, Clickwell, I
guess that's the best trick you ever did, right, make
everybody believe he didn't exist. I did not know that that.
That's actually shocking to me and sad, because if you
have nothing to fear, then what do you I mean,
I don't know, what's your buddy? Yeah, if you're a

(11:00):
Bible believe in Christian here's the thing. What Jesus was,
What was he doing when he was here? Brennan, I
want to know.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean, that's what he was exercising.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Authority and exercising people.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah yeah, I mean then that's just it. It's like
the more that you that's what's so incredible about the
things that we're doing, the things that we're talking about.
Like sometimes if you ask people about like Genesis six,
or you ask them about you know, giants or whatever,
they're like, that doesn't matter. Only the gospel matters. And
it's like, do you even know what the gospel is?
Because I'm pretty sure that the gospel is that the

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Kingdom is coming, and the Kingdom is coming in power
and authority, whether you like it or not. And so
if you have an Old Testament context, you understand that
there were kingdoms at battle all the time, and especially
for you know, Israel in that time, they would have
known we got our butt kicked by the giants a lot.

(11:57):
And then you know, you have even ancient writings Jubileese
where Noah is literally talking about how as soon as
his kids got off the arc, they were being demonized
and he was praying to God and he was like, hey,
these these unclean spirits, these NFL spirits, they're like they're
coming after my kids. And you see that all the

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way through the Old Testament because there's no power through
the Holy Spirit. Right, and then you see, once Jesus
ascends to his priesthood, he has a better rule now
as the high priest. So the priesthood in the Old
Testament is good, but it's limited because they're limited by
their sin. So they were responsible for the earthly temple,

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but they didn't have any responsibility about like the fleshy temple.
And so when you know Jesus now is the perfect priest,
has ascended to the heavenly Temple, he has authority to
pour the baptism and Holy Spirit, so we get to
walk in the spirit, we get to walk in power.
That's why all the crowds were so amazed because for
the first time Jesus was actually exercising authority or these

(13:01):
unclean spirits. That's why it's kind of tricky. But if
you can read, if you read the gospels really fast,
you'll pick things up that you wouldn't pick up if
you just read them one by one. So some of
the stories actually compound on each other. I think about
Jesus casting one of the spirits out and they say,
surely this is the son of Man. But in the
next gospel over it talks about how they basically the

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same story. They say he must be the son of
David because they're equating that Jesus was the first one
since David to have like authority over the nephlon.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Oh, okay, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I mean people, I don't think people really understand, you know,
when we talk about interdimensional or nephylum, right, they think
this is a joke.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
I mean sometimes I think.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
They think it's like, oh, this is nephyl and shit
for lack of a better word. There's a lot of
people say and it's funny, and I get it, but
like it's it's disembodied spirits. Like I don't think people
really understand that the lineage. You know, they follow lines,
they follow blood lines, they follow they know.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Everything about you. Like, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I just think that people don't fully comprehend that if
you believe in an angel, which everybody seems to be
okay with that, even though they're scary and look like
a wheel and eyeballs and stuff. But that's fine whatever.
They're fine about having a guardian angel. But when it
comes to like the other side of that, because we
know that everything that's created, right, there's like a dual

(14:31):
nature to everything in life. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's
another side to that coin.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Do you remember that show in the nineties that was
I think it's called like Touched by an Angel Angels?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
I loved that show, Dude.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I kind of like, if I watched it back now,
I probably be like, this is so off.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Where's where's the million eyes and the you know, the
wheels on wheels and well.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
If you think about it, I'm pretty sure like every
single one of the angels in that series, aren't they women?

Speaker 4 (15:01):
I think they might be.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Well, okay, they are. This is not sexist, all right,
I'm just this is just the scripture. Okay, take I
didn't say scripture said it. There's there's no female angels, right,
you know, like that's why why do you think the
angels were like, oh man, there's something special about women,
Like we don't have any of those up here, you know.

(15:23):
I mean that as a compliment to women, Like there's
something so unique about you. There's something that God created
you to do and be that I, as a man,
will never be. And that's why they, you know, the
angels were like there's something very valuable about this. But
the only example that we see of winged women in
the scripture is when zeph and I gets the vision

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of the two winged women carrying the baby in the basket,
and then he asked the guardian angel, who's a guy.
He says, what does this vision mean? And he says, well,
those women are carrying destruction to Babylon. So they were
messengers that were carrying destruction. And then you know, we're

(16:08):
getting there. It's not Thanksgiving yet, but now you find
it ironic that they were the winged women were carrying
destruction to Babylon. And then every year we put up
Christmas trees and put winged women on them. Mm.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't think I'm doing that now. I don't want
a winged woman on there. If it's destruction.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Just get yourself a wheel with the eyes to put
on the top. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, we gotta go all real in this, I mean,
but it's funny to me that people always and the
other thing that they can't really. My mom especially, she
has a hard time with this. She's like, well, we
should be calling out, you know, for the angels. All.
I'm like, no, hold your role. You should cry out
to God. He'll send the angels if he needs to.
And she's like, no, no, you know, we should pray
to it. And I'm like, no, you should not. Because

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for the prime example and the thing that cracked the
code for Heidi the Mormon jaun Dye.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Okay, so well we know this.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
He gave up his whole life and his wife and
had to raise another dude's baby because he did what
some angels said to do. I don't think they're very benevolent.
I think unless God sends them, we shouldn't be having
them manifest on where people they hate you.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
By the way, well yeah, and there's I mean, angel
worship is not new in any sense. I mean even
even these scenes were like huge angel worshipers. So there's
been plenty of sex and groups of people who have
fallen into two angel worship rather than worshiping the creator

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who created the angels, who has authority over them.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yes, they're militant.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
They just carry out orders pretty much, and that's what
they're there for, and that's what they do. They do
it good, But we don't control them. And it's a
joke if you think you can, like, I don't care.
I mean, that's just not your realm. You know, you're
not God. God controls the benevolent angels, that's his job.

(18:03):
I don't know what we control here when we start
messing with that.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I don't think they're benevolent. That's my my take on it.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Just like that of them, not the ones that they're conjured,
not the ones conjured.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Oh right, yeah, no, that's good now.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
By man by man right.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I think if if God sends an angel, sure, yes, definitely.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
But if you're.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Conjuring and you're drawing, you know, Solomon magic for this
and yes, Joseph, yeah, it's a bad.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
That's bad Newspairs. That's not what you want to do,
you know. And I mean, I guess where do you
want to start when it comes to deliverance? Do you
want to start with our approach?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like I don't know, yeah, Like I mean, okay, number one,
how do you know for sure.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Deliverance? Yeah, you know I would I would venture to
say if your person you definitely need deliverance, because you
know there there are certain things that you know, we
we look for those deliverance ministers that unclean spirits uses
footholds and so where we get that term footholds is
from Aphesians. I believe it's chapter four where it says,

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you know, don't let the devil get a foothold, And
so I would say, this is probably, you know, contrary.
This is the big This is the big debate, is
like if you're saved, you don't need deliverance versus if
you're if you're not saved, then you you know, and
well we actually you know, and this is not going
to be a definitive like this is everything that's right

(19:37):
about deliverance. Like everything that I say is you can
watch fifty different videos about deliverance and you're fifty different answers.
And I mean, me being two years in, I'm still
I am learning on the fly and God literally teaches
me something new every single session, every single person. So
you know, maybe we'll re record this in two years

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and I'll be like, remember all that stuff I said,
I change my mind. I don't know, but you know,
I would say, if you're not a believer, don't mess
with deliverance, because Jesus is very clear. He says, you know,
if you cast the spirit out and you tell it
to go to the dry place, and you don't fill
that house, if you don't fill the temple with the
Holy Spirit. Seven even worse are going to come back.

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So you're going to feel good for a little while
and then it's going to be way worse. So if
you're someone who's new to faith, maybe you're exploring, you know,
who is Jesus? What can you do? You know, give
your life to Jesus first, let him seal you. So
the way that we talk about it is we're three

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part being. We're body, soul, spirit, and that to us
kind of matches basically the framework of the temple in
the Old Testament. So you have the outer court, the
Inner Court, and the Holy of Holy, and the same
way it kind of works for us when it comes
to just access to the spiritual realm has So obviously,

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when you're a believer, you want to be walking in
the spirit. You want the Holy Spirit to fill every
single part of your temple. So the outer court, the
Inner Court, and the Holy of Holy. But when you're saved,
you know the Holy of Holy, the very most inner
part is stealed. That means that you can't be possessed
by a spirit, but you can be oppressed. So the

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things like bitterness, hatred, unforgiveness, resentment, generational curses, soul ties,
you know, all those things give little access points either
in your outer court or your inner court where you know,
spirit can kind of grab on and clean. And so

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what we do is we try to work through all
of those. You know, we have this big long form
and that you fill it out and you feel like
you put your whole life on display. And the way
we kind of explain it is like hoarding in a house. Right,
So you have all these life experiences, you have your
childhood trauma, you have not only your trauma, but everything
generationally up until that, you know, four generations back, sometimes more,

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especially if it's masonry, and you know, then you have hurt, disappointment,
soul ties, all those things. So what we do is
we try to work through people. Hey, forgive this person
and repent for this thing, change your mind about it,
you know, let's break these generational curses. And so after
that happens, that's usually when we see the most amount

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of freedom happen.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
And do you I know this answer, but for people,
what do they look like afterward?

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Is there a change.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
We've literally had? Like people's faces like change, Like people
literally look like they get a facelift, Like their eyes
are brighter, like their whole like being is just brighter.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yes, I don't know. I don't know if you can
do self deliverance. I don't know. You think this is
a thing.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
So the way that we approach it is that and
I don't have a strict like the Verse reference for this.
This is just what we've seen. Is we have a
lot of people who come to us because they've tried
to do self deliverance. And you know, there's always the
fringe outlier, like what if I'm on a deserted island
and I'm the only one there, Like, yes, I think

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the Holy Spirit's going to show up and give you freedom.
But there's something about the way that God designed us
to be in community, to be part of the ecclesia,
which is the gathering to come into agreement with other
people who are walking in the spirit. And so we
usually point them to Hebrews chapter six, where it talks
about the basics of the faith, and one of those

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is laying on of hands. So usually what we find
is that if you can, you know, humble yourself enough
to go through the process, let someone else carry that
burden for a little while. Go through your initial deliverance.
After that, we all can do self deliverance.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So I know you mentioned on Zoom you did it once,
So how does that work out with the hands and stuff.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Zoom? I was just curious.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, I mean there's there's a and maybe that isn't
like a physic like a true physicality like you know.
I mean obviously Paul had no idea that there was going to.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Be zoom, right right. I just asked, because there's.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
A lot of ministries who do it. I mean obviously,
if I had my choice, I would always want to
do it in person. You can just feel things differently,
but sometimes that's just not available, that's to me, and
that's more like stranded island thing, like I don't think
you know that's that's actually my first deliverance experience. So
you know, I got baptized in Louise spirit like in

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the spring, and then was like holy cow, like there's
some real spiritual rum stuff going on. And I started
having all these weird things to happen. And I had
been working with a guy who was helping me just
developed some websites. We had a working relationship and we
didn't talk about faith a lot, but he I knew
he had a faith background, and so one day he

(25:14):
just messaged me on Slack and he's like, hey, just
so you know, like if I'm if I'm kind of
a wall or I disappear at the end of the year,
I've been struggling with suicide ideation and I need to
go to impatient treatment. And I was like, oh, shoot,
that's heavy. I'm like, I'm really sorry that you, like
you have to deal with that. And I asked him,
I was like, do you think you can be free

(25:34):
from that? And he was like, I think so. So
I just started asking some questions. I'm like, what's your
family background, you know, he had some childhood trauma, and
asked him about his spouse, was Hispanic, so a lot
of like Mary Worship witchcraft. So I was like, I

(25:56):
don't know, you want to go after some stuff. He
was like I guess. So we just start praying and
I basically let him through like some repentance stuff. I
started binding all these spirits and then there's just like
a moment where I just just try to ask the
Lord what to do, and so I'm just kind of

(26:16):
praying the spirit like under my you know, quietly he's
sitting there praying, and then all of a sudden, the
only Spirit said he needs to pray in the spirit,
and I was like, I don't even know if he
can do that, Like this is gonna be so awkward,
you know, And this is like this is like super
Christian eese for people. I hope this isn't like I'm
not skimming over too many things, but like tongues can

(26:37):
be like very divisive, and just to let you guys know,
like tongues is the only gift that's for us. Our
pro language is for us. All the other gifts are
so that you can help other believers and help other people,
and you it's your responsibility to steward those gifts. So
we're in knowledge professing. All those things are just as important,

(26:57):
but tongues is the only one that gives you a
direct line for the Holy Spirit to speak through you.
And it's completely changed my prayer life. And if you
want that, it's okay to want that, and we just
have to learn how to use it wisely, because you know,
Pentecostal churches and everyone it's just like made it a
circus trick, which is it? It's not it? So I said, uh,

(27:22):
Holy spirit, said, you're supposed to pray in the spirit,
and he was like, it's been a while. So I
was like, well, at least he wasn't like I can't
do that, because that would have been very awkward. So
I said, why don't you just pray in your spirit
language and come into agreement with whatever God's doing right now?
So he started praying, and I'll never forget it. It

(27:42):
was literally like I heard his soul cry out to
God and the room went still, like I could have
heard a marshmallow hit the floor. And I just asked him.
I was like, dude, do you feel that? And he
was like, this is literally the first time that my
mind has been quiet in probably two and a half years.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, fast forward. You know, we probably prayed for thirty minutes. Like,
he never went inpatient treatment, his marriage is fine, and
now he works full time at a church.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I only asked you all this stuff because I'll tell you, Brennan,
I think I might have accidentally delivered my cell phones,
not to say that I'm fully maybe I'm.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Serious on this.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I was crying out to God and I was by myself.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
I will tell you I suffered like.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
A horrible physical injury afterward, which is kind of crazy,
but yeah, everybody else was gone. They were going down
the river. I don't go down the river because I'm
a person that gets hurt a lot. So I'm like, no, no,
I'll just stay here and read my scriptures. And I'd
been in the scriptures, in the scriptures, and the scriptures
in the scriptures, was just really sad about my daughter,

(28:53):
and I was all alone, and it was like this
camping spot but like there's no cell phones.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
It's like desolate nature. It's just nature.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
And after that it was like at least an hour
of just crazy prayer. And then like right after that,
this chaos broke out at the camp next door, which.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
I was like, what is going on? Like what is happening?
They're like screaming fighting over there. I'm like whoa. So
I was like trying to look for my husband, get
the heck out there for a minute. Those people left.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I was super glad ended up fracturing my disc like
right as I got home after this. But anyways, if
you were to ask anybody what I looked like ten
years ago, or I could even show you, well, it'd
be a little more than ten years ago.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I probably look fifteen years younger.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Now than I did that, and it's so weird, and
everybody says, what did you have done or you know stuff,
and I'm like, no, it's nothing like God, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
And people always say.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
You so different now, you're just different, and I'm like,
it's not just about the looks. It's a lot of things,
but honestly, like something scary. And it was weird because
when it happened before the people freaked, it got really quiet,
like really like it's nature, man, there's bugs and things
and buzzing, and it's never that quiet right there, and

(30:24):
it did.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
It got super quiet, and then you know, I just
was bawling my head off.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
And then I went home and I woke up and
my back was broken. I didn't do anything. I didn't
do anything. I don't have a cool story. I didn't
unpack the trailer. I didn't do anything. I went to sleep.
I was exhausted, and I woke up and I couldn't move,
and so that sucked. But I'm okay now so repaired
back not so good, but that's okay.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
I'll take it. I don't know that's why.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I asked, I'm I'm definitely gonna be the one to
say like that. If there's anything that I've learned when
it comes to the Holy Spirit is uh, do not
put it in a box. I think that's what everyone wants. Clarity,
everyone wants exactness, Everyone wants to think. We want to know,
you know, we want to know x y Z well.

(31:15):
I mean, if we want to be really serious, if
you if you think that you know, you can pray
a certain prayer, anoint a certain oil, you know, draw this,
do this, that's Christian witchcraft. That's the same thing. And
I've really been just trying to sit and process with
you know what Jesus says about prayer, right and authority,

(31:38):
and you know, I think it's Matthew eighteen. He says,
whatever you bind is bound, whatever you lose has loosed.
And you know, if you look in the Greek just so,
what bind and loose is is talking about it's whatever
you disagree with, you know, is void, whatever you agree
with stands. And the challenge in that is that if
if you're praying and you're asking the Lord Father, what

(32:01):
do you want to bind? And what do you want
to agree with? And what do you want to disagree with.
What you're doing is you're actually teaching yourself to come
into agreement and understanding of God's will. And so what
we do sometimes is we try to do the little
tricks that we know, right like if I pray this way,
or I read this thing, or I claim this out
of context Old Testament verse, I can make God do

(32:24):
what I want them to. And that's as witchcraft. So
we have to be really careful to just say, Okay, God,
whatever you want to do in this moment, you have permission.
Whatever you ask me to do, I will do it.
And you know, it's hard because I've seen amazing things
that I'm like, oh my gosh, how is it even possible?

(32:45):
And then I've seen things where it's like, you know,
someone will come in and you can tell they're just
hurting and broken and they leave and you know it
wasn't a complete deliverance. But it's because they didn't. They
weren't ready to let go, they weren't ready to change
their mind, they weren't ready to like they some people
don't know any different than the oppression, and they're afraid

(33:06):
of what their life would look like if they're free
and you have to be okay with both.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's true.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Two things happened to me a the back b I
said I would do anything, but I had been working
on this for months because I found a Derek Prince video.
I don't know anything about anything, but he did say
some important things that I know. He's associated with some
weird things also, but he does, do you know, deliverance ministry?
So he did tell me to write a bunch of

(33:35):
things down, like all your different ancestry curses, like what
is your family and what have you done?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
What?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I have these big notebooks of things right, and this
is what I was praying over at that time. So
it wasn't like it just came out of nowhere. I
definitely had been doing some work on it. But I
will say this. I said, God, I'll do anything if
you help me. And I heard that I was going
to do a podcast, and I said, yeah, that's stupid.
I don't know three people that like me. I maybe

(34:01):
have five in my life and three definitely don't like me.
I don't know what you want me to do with that.
I didn't do it. I didn't do it for a
long time. And tell Josh, and it had happened that
summer before. Uh, and then I hurt my back and
I had all the back stuff happened, and then I
did the I finally did it, but I knew it
was coming, but I kept like dragging my feet and

(34:23):
saying like, no, this is stupid. I can't run the computer, Like,
I don't know how I had a floppy disk when
I was in ninth grade?

Speaker 4 (34:31):
What do you want from me?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Like it was just impossible in my mind, right, but
God made it possible. Like I still don't know. People
will ask me what did you do for your algorithm?
And I'm like and they think I'm like trying to
keep this crazy secret.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
And I'm like I don't know, and They're like, well,
what what did you do? And I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I just got mad at the thing and then uploaded it.
And the first six were on iMovie. This is the
technology that you did, I remember, I remember, yeah, yeah,
it's sad, so you know, and along the way, I mean,
obviously God was right and I was wrong and horribly wrong.
And I mean people write me all the time and
tell me you changed my life, you know, and I'm like, no,

(35:17):
God changed your life.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
I just have a big mouth, you know, and he
knew that obviously.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Oh I get that. I was just on a little
YouTube series called Counterpoint. It was, you know, kind of
like Jubilee. So they just bring in two disagreeing sides,
and you know, one of them, obviously, I was on
the Christian side. The other side was Satanists. And you know,
that thing is like blowing up. And last I checked,

(35:44):
it's already got like quarter million views or something like that.
And you know, I must prefer this setting where it's like, hey,
let's have a one on one conversation. But you know
I had the same thing, you know, when the Lord
was just revealing all this stuff to me in twenty
twenty one, twenty three, and I remember sitting in my
office and you know, I think I had just finished

(36:04):
like Fall of Cabal or something like that, and I'm
just like devastated because like my entire just paradigm of
like life is shattered, and I'm like, I'm I think
I'm sitting right here at my desk and I was
just like, why are you showing me this? Like I
don't understand what do you want me to do with this?
And I'll never forget. He said, I want you to

(36:25):
be a lighthouse and I was like what, I don't
know what that means. And then I just had this moment,
you know, a couple of weeks ago. I was sitting
there and I'm sitting across the you know, from these Satanists,
and I'm like, how do I get here?

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Like Josh Monday, you have some explaining to.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Do, you know, but it's like it all it is
is like yeah, it's you know, it's just showing up
and being obedient. And ye know, I was trying to
tell my wife too, because I'm like, if I if
I had it, like I don't, I don't. I don't
probably like that. You know, people can read my name
or see my face about this. Like what will really

(37:03):
excite me is if someone's like, oh, now I have
the hope that I can be free. I don't have
to I don't have to deal with anxiety, I don't
have to deal with depression, I don't have to deal
with generational stuff. I don't have to deal with that
stuff anymore because Jesus can send me free. And you know,
I'm trying to tell my wife, like if I could
do it, the perfect way, the way that got you know,
probably hasn't called me to do it. But the perfect

(37:24):
way it'd be I would just write a manual and
wouldn't have my name on it, and I people would
just buy it and never know it was me, but
they would see Jesus. And but sometimes, you know, that's
what he wants from us, is like people, I gave
you gifts. I've given you you know, insight, I've given
you wisdom. You're being discipled by the Holy Spirit exactly

(37:44):
like hebrew says, and the same goes for you, like
you're just stepping in obedience. So it's just been incredible
to just see how all this has grown in you know,
two and a half years.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
It's weird. People will say, where'd you find that old book?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
And I'm like, oh, I just go to the bookstore
and pray and God will I'll be like, yeah, there
you go, and I'll find the weirdest things and I'm like, okay, cool,
And it's not me fine, I mean, obviously he knows
what he's doing. I'm just I always tell people, look,
he could make a donkey do it. You did read
the scriptures right, And I hope neither one of us

(38:16):
are the donkey. If so, you're the donkey, I'm the
ass because mine is much worse than yours. But I
definitely think you're right. I think the growth has been
like amazing, Like even the couple times we chatted in
between and just like touching base, like I feel like
we kind of sharpen each other at times, and it's
very few and far between, you know, we don't. I mean,

(38:38):
it's not like we're chatting all the time. We are
busy people, busy lives. You know, you've been through it
this last little while and all the things you're learning
and doing at your stuff.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
And sometimes we just say like.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Hey, how you doing, yep, still alive or whatever we
would say. You know, but I knew that that contact
Sometimes the point of that is that contact that you
make with somebody is like a brotherhood, a sisterhood, a
best friend, a parent relationship, even though it's not like
your parent or something, right like, you get these family

(39:12):
relationships because that's what we really are supposed to be.
You know, some people don't fully comprehend that and take
it in weird directions or whatever you do with that,
you have to be careful and always remember that God
does this like you, you're a family. You wouldn't, you know,
violate your family relationships in any weird form. And I

(39:33):
think for women that's really important for them to hear,
because the love you can have for any other human
being doesn't have to be like I think. Women are
so emotional. Sometimes they get weird and take it weird places.
Not that men don't, but let's be honest, the emotional
end of that is usually women. And so I'm just saying, no, yeah,

(39:54):
they got something else in mind if it's going going left, okay,
women are all about the feeling. I'm somewhere in the middle,
which is maybe why I can spout that truth. Is that,
you know, I grew up always having this little bit
rougher side of things, so I was always like, I'm
not that feeling. I don't like that. I think I'll
stay over here on the men's side. And not that

(40:15):
I'm a man in any way, but just no, I'm
not going to be that touching.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's funny because me and my wife joke like literally
every couple that we meet that we really like that
we're friends with. I'm more like the wife and he's
more like the husband, like my best friend that I've
known since I was three years old, Like me and
his wife are like the same person, and like he
and Britain are literally like they're so similar. And so

(40:41):
we always joke that we just found the like each
other but in you know, female form, yes, because we
were like, we're just wanting to marry our best friends,
so we just found the female versions of it. But yeah, yeah,
I mean so for you, like, what's since you felt
like you had that to Rents? Like how is that

(41:02):
giving you more like clarity? How do you feel what's
changed in your life since then?

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I mean I'm not saying it's perfect, and maybe I
mean maybe there's always room for adjustments for sure, but
I can say this, you know, since that happened and
I wasn't really going through it. I mean, like listen,
I have a horrible temper normally, and and I also.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
I'm quick to anger but quick to forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
But the forgiveness that I gave oftentimes was like yeah,
I don't worry about it, but like, deep down you're
still really hurt, you know what I mean, Like you
brush it off, but like it like stayed in there.
Now I'm like, oh my gosh, why Like if my
mom brings something up, I'm like, oh, why are we
talking about this?

Speaker 4 (41:40):
That's that's like gone, yeah, this is so so crazy.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And then you're like literally teaching them how to forgive
themselves for whatever happened with you, and you're like trying
to re teach their mind. Like the only way I
can ever say is like, hey, mom, we used to
live in this house, and one day we packed up
and we packed everything we and we moved to this
better house and.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
We live here now.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
We don't go back to the old house because we
don't have keys there anymore. We wouldn't go in a
stranger's house, So let's just like leave that there because
we don't live there. And she has a hard time
forgiving herself way more than I I don't.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Honestly, for me.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It's like not it hurts me more to see her
her over it than anything that was ever done to
me at this point, Like and I know that's weird,
but that's what it is. It's different for me now,
you know. And I don't know, it's just like people
come up to me a lot more. They've always done
that to me. I think that's why I work in
psych you know, because people like it when they feel

(42:39):
like you understand them or can understand them, or want
to try to understand them or love them, you know
in some former capacity, because they're really on their worst
day ever and oftentimes like the hardest patience that everybody's
like this person, Oh my gosh, they're a nightmare. They're
gonna be so bad for you because you're woman or whatever.

(43:00):
They're never a problem for me.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Ever, You're good.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, that's a good just clarification. I feel like a
lot of people, maybe gloss over don't fully understand about
deliverance is that, you know, they think, Okay, maybe I
go through it, I get free of stuff, and then
I'm done. But that's that's really not the way that
we teach it is. So we actually give people after
they go through our ministry, we give them this little book.
It's called Twelve Keys to a Liberated Life. Because what

(43:29):
we we you know, we say, hey, we're doing your
deliverance now, but really the most important thing that we
can do for you is we can give you a
toolkit that's going to help you live free for the
rest of your life. Because unfortunately it's exactly like what
Ifhesian's success. We live in a very spiritual warfare environment
like this side of eternity until the kingdom comes, until

(43:53):
Jesus separates the sheep from the goats and throws everything
into the like of fire, there's gonna be spiritual warfare,
and you know we're gonna fall short in areas, so
we need to cultivate a life of freedom. So I mean,
I try to do this daily. Sometimes I forget, but
you know, I gotta sit down at the end of
the day. Jesus, I choose for a pet for yelling

(44:14):
at that guy in traffic because he hanked at me,
and I asked that you bless him, And you start
to cultivate that rhythm and that pattern so you don't
get into those places where you feel like you've hoarded
all this stuff anymore. It's so much easier to see
the cobweb in the corner and go through and clean
it out than it is too because I think that's

(44:35):
the thing is like most people, you know, they're either
late twenties, thirties, forties, whatever, they just have all this
stuff and they don't even know where to start, so
they just never want to start but you know, once
you go through that process and you find that first
like deliverance, like there's nothing better than living in freedom.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Well, and it makes you feel like I don't know,
not that I'm like I said, maybe I did it,
maybe I didn't do it one hundred whatever.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
I feel like I'm definitely walking the path. But I
feel like you you.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Change who really who you are, like how you react,
Like now my daughter will be like that guy cut
you off, and I'm like, oh, he just needed to
get over or what not.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Every time.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Sometimes if it's crazy, I mean, I might be like
what the but you know, it's it's fine. Like most
of the time, most things are like whatever. You know,
I will say this, that's really weird. After that happened,
I got a dog. And I've never had a dog,
not one that picked me. I had dogs, but never

(45:43):
a dog that was mine that chose me right, like,
because I was never an animal person and they really
didn't like me that much.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
And I'm allergic to cats. So the cats liked me.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I couldn't really like them, and I try to die
every time I'm around them.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
So this dog of mine, he's like my child.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Now he's about one because he listens better than the rest.
He's He's like so important to me. And I didn't
get the people that had the dog on their keychain
and stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Now that's me. But also other dogs, other people's dogs.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Like I'll be at the store and they're seeing eye
dog or whatever, and I'm like, oh.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
My gosh, like no, no, stay there, like dog dogs
that never do that.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
They're like that dog never does that. Like that's a
weird thing. I think that's happened. And babies, but the
babies always did that. I think that's just a nurse
thing or a mom thing. I have a lot of kids,
so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
But the more.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Spirit like, yeah, I think I think, you know, as Christians,
like we should, we should find those things normal that
people would be drawn to us. You know, because if
I mean, as we're just talking about the fruit of
the spirit, when you are exuding those things, because the
spirit right is driving not your soul or your body,

(46:57):
like you're gonna have more patience, You're gonna have more gentleness,
you're gonna have more kindness. I mean even since probably
the last two years when you know, when I got
baptized in the only spirit, like people literally are like, dude,
your eyes are like your eyes are glowing, like I
have brown eyes, but you know if you see him
in person, they're almost like yellow or kind of look fiery.

(47:18):
And they they were dull before. And I was, you know,
I was a believer, and I think that's something too
to even just talk about. Is like, you know, for me,
I grew up like I got baptized when I was twenty.
I got water baptized when I was twenty something, you know,
but I didn't I didn't see any evidence when it
came to like gifts of the spirit, and so I was,

(47:38):
you know, you just you're taught. Okay, Well when you
you know, you get baptized, you get you receive the
spirit and then everything's the same. But well, when I
had that experience where I started praying in the spirit,
I was like, something is different because that I've never
done that before. So, you know, I was reading through
the scripture and I mean think about Apaulos and in
acts where it talks about he was he was a believer.

(48:01):
He believed in Jesus, was Jesus believing jew was walking
around doing you know, evangelism, and he runs into a
Paul and Paul's like, well, did you get the Holy Spirit?
And he's like, but I don't even know what that is.
And he's like, okay, well let me let me show
you the next level to it. And so he, you know,
he takes him and some other guys and they go
and they have baptised in the Only Spirit. And so

(48:22):
that was another thing in Hebrew six where it says,
you know, laying on his hands and baptisms, and I
read it like four times and then I zoomed in
on it and then I was like, that's plural. I'd
never read it as plural as plural, so you know,
it's it's really interesting, and I think that there's I
think there is a case to be made that the

(48:44):
first baptism in the Spirit that we see is Jesus's
baptism when the Dovi sents, and because of that, he's
able to carry out all these miracles and all these things.
And that's why he says, greater things you're going to
do then even I did, because you're gonna have this,
you know. That's why John says, I can baptize you water,

(49:06):
but there's there's one that's going to baptize you and fire,
and so I think, you know, just being able to
do deliverance, you know, and if if you're if you're
a believer, you have that authority, you have that same
Holy Spirit. There is nothing different between me or you know,
Prince or Isaiah Salvadar or your pastor, there's no difference.

(49:27):
We all have the same Holy Spirit and we all
carry the same authority.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
But for people that are unsure, why why don't you
let them know about something that has happened that has
definitely manifested where you are, Like, whoa, that is dark?
So because you're going to get some people that say
this is a bunch of Shenanigans, this a bunch of lies.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Oh, like what evidence have I seen about it?

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah, Well this is tricky because I do want to clarify.
I think a lot of people, especially when they come
into the ministry, they're very, very nervous because they've seen
movies like The Exorcists, and it paints deliverance in a
really brutal dark light where it doesn't have to be

(50:15):
like that. So it's important and I always tell people
when they're nervous, I say, have you watched the Exorcists
and they're like, yeah, I've seen it, and I'm like, okay, well,
you know that that movie is not based on Catholic exorcisms.
That movie is based on an ancient Babylonian text about
a white magician who is trying to replace a black

(50:36):
spirit in someone. That is a power struggle between a
black magic and white magic. We're not fighting that battle.
We have all the power in all the authority. So
when we come into a room, we have a prayer
that we pray, and we set it up exactly like
a court room, and we say, all right, any unclean
spirits in this room, you're in court. Jehovah, God is above,

(50:57):
He is the judge. Jesus is here is miss train,
angels are here. Here's what you're allowed to do, Here's
what you're not allowed to do. And if you don't
follow those instruptions, it's going to be even worse for you. So,
I mean, we have seen, you know, obviously, we've seen manifestations,
and honestly, the manifestations that I've seen that are the
most we'll call it flamboyant, are probably the weakest spirits

(51:22):
who are just trying to really peacock. I mean, I
think for me. The first one that I saw that
was really jarring for me was maybe my third or
fourth session. And I want to I want to be
gentle with these stories because they're real. These are real people,
These are real people with real lives, so you know.

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But he had some sort of spirit. I think it
was an ephesis spirit because he lived in a different
state and his the pastors at his church literally tried
to do James five to him. They tried to anoint
him with oil and the I mean the l of
his church three four, five, six hours couldn't get this

(52:05):
thing to leave, and he ended up with his shirt off,
like it's just exactly like the story in emphasis. And
so he comes to us. It took us two days,
and I'll never forget. We went we went through the
first you know, first day, and we went through you know,
curse breaking, we went through repentance, we went through you know,

(52:25):
soul ties, we went through all this stuff. Prayed it
through him, and I was like, all right, everything's going smooth,
this is awesome, this is great, nothing's happening. And then
I did I you know, I did the commandment prayer.
I set up the courtroom and I said Okay, here's
where we're at. And I said, Chief Spirit, come forward,
and the dude snakes himself out of the chair and
just starts crawling on the ground like a millipede. And

(52:48):
I was like going, well, and you know, it was
like hours of you know, we'd go after something and
it would surface and then it would go hide, and
it would surface and then it would go hide. I
mean there was some of it where he was just
like banging his head on the ground, and you know,

(53:08):
we were starting to like, like, dude, this guy's either
gonna get a concussion, like he's just you know, just
split his head open, and like that was maybe that
was one of those moments where I was like, all right, Lord,
I'm not so sure about this thing, because like I've
been here for six hours and it's supposed to be easy, right,

(53:30):
Like I have the power, I have the authority through
the Holy Spirit, and this doesn't feel easy at all.
And I went home that night and I was just exhausted.
Exhausted get up the next day. I mean it was
we were literally doing his deliverance while church was happening
in the other room, and everyone's like praising and worshiping

(53:50):
and we finally got so tired, we just turned worship
music on and we just sat there and then it broke,
So it was just praise and worship.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Wow. Who knew?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, And I wouldn't guess that.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
That was one of the things very early on that
that Jesus taught me about doing deliverance was I would
come home from sessions and I would be just throttled,
like I would want to sleep for two days afterwards.
And I had a dream, and so part of the
reason why I felt so drunk, like I knew I

(54:27):
was called to deliverance. Mystery was I've always had dreams
that have involved spiritual warfare a lot since high school,
either running away from spirits, yelling at spirits to leave,
or whatever. So when I filled that out on my
farm my form when I went through my deliverance, our
deliverance leader was like, pretty sure you're called to this?
That's not normal, and I was like, you sure? And

(54:52):
so I had a dream and I had a dream
that I was casting the spirit out, but I was
so angry at it. When I told the spirit to leave,
it basically called me out, and it was like, who
are you to tell me to leave? You know, and
I felt so convicted when I woke up and the

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Lord told me, you need to be doing this out
of empathy and love for the person that's in that chair,
not out of anger at that spirit. And when I
switched my mindset, and now every morning I go in
and I want to see and know and like love
the person in that chair. The way that God does
it is so much easier. It is so it is

(55:36):
so much easier, and we see so much better results
and we don't really see it like we like, we
have a woman that we're training right now who like
her deliverance mystery, they were literally wrestling people in a
room and we're like, you don't have to do it
like that. If we see manifestations, we say, no, we're
not entertaining that. Like we'll leave the room and we'll

(55:58):
be like you need to pray through whatever where that was,
and then we're gonna come back in here and then
it's gonna leave. And I mean, we've had we have
spirits all the time that tell people you're not strong enough,
you need to lay hands, and we're like, no, we're
not gonna do that. You're just gonna leave, and then they.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Do well that's good.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
That sounds way better than my my thoughts on the
version of the Exorcist, which I didn't know that story,
by the way, I didn't know that that was a
magician story.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
So well, isn't that like the isn't it like the
enemy to put fear into that situation where it's like,
that's what he doesn't want. He doesn't want to leave,
he doesn't want believers to know that they don't have
to live this way, So he's gonna wrap it in
fear of like, oh, your head's gonna spin around, You're
gonna levitate.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
I mean, has that definitely puke in green puke?

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Oh yeah, we have a lot of pukers. We have
a lot of pukers. But honestly, like the most manifestations
we see are yawning, crying, belging. We've had people farked
them out. Oh it was fun. I mean, you know,
you got your you got your Mormons and Mason's book
back there. We got a I do. We We have

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a prayer renunciation list about this long, like this thick
of Mason prayers. And we had a kid who came
to us from like twenty hours away and he drove
all the way through the night to get to our
church for the ministry because he was having such horrible dreams.

(57:30):
He had some borderline personality stuff. He had a his
grandpa was a very high level mason, and because of that,
he actually his ambilical cord dissolved in the womb. So
had they not like delivered him by c section, he
would have suffocated in the womb. And so we're we're

(57:52):
going through this, and we asked him, did you read these?
And he was like no, And so he starts reading
them and he's like, oh my god, all of these
things like my feet getting slit, my throat getting slit,
these are what my nightmares have been about. And then
he starts reading through the thirty third degree ones and
he starts going oh, oh oh, and he can't finish,

(58:16):
can't he can't read it. And he's like, why can't
I read this? Like my eyes are going blurry, my
tongue is stuck, and you know, we had to bind
whatever spirit that was. And then he finished reading it
and then he literally started having like a full blown
conversation with this principality spirit, and this principality spirit was
speaking through him like in a different voice and was saying,

(58:37):
I have your grandpa down here in Hell. You're coming
with me, you know all this stuff. And he's like
yelling back at this principality, and we're like, okay, let's
not let's not do that.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Oh good to him. Nobody thought you could talk to him.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
So the lady, the lady who leads our ministry, she
actually sees in the spirit, and so she goes that
one's in his stomach. And so my friend, he brings
the Bible over, sets it on his stomach, and I
laid a hand on his stomach and I just started
branding the spirit. His abs just start seizing, like just convulsing,

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and then all of a sudden, he just goes, nope,
I gotta go, and he runs out to the bathroom.
He goes to the bathroom and he comes back and
it was gone.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Oh I thought he was running away. I'm glad he
just went to the restroom.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
That was it. He got rid of it.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, good, good, that's better than I'm like, I hope
I didn't run away after all that time there, Geez,
how would suck?

Speaker 4 (59:36):
I might need those Mason for.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
God teaches us a little bit more every session. We
get a little bit more in tune with what he
wants to do. And you know, there were some of
the sessions that we started out with would be four
or five six hours. We get him done two two
and a half, like we rolled through them.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
That's good. That means you're stronger now, right, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
You know, and I think I wouldn't say it's that
we're stronger. I think it's just that we're we're listening better,
you know, where it's like maybe we just made it
a little bit harder than it had to be.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
And well depends, I mean fear, you know, any little
crack that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
You and it's it's amazing how sometimes they'll build on
each other too. Like you'll go through a session and
you'll learn something and then it'll show up in the
next one and you're like, ah, I remember this, I
see you. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, every every session
is a little bit different like that, and I kind
of I kind of put them in two buckets. There's

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like some people who come in and they are so
oppressed that they've never they've never even been able to
live a baseline life, you know, like a normal life.
And then we have people who are you know, really
on a gross trajectory, even if it's in our church
where you just you could just feel that the Holy
Spirit is like really after them, like to level them

(01:01:03):
up in a way where it's it's kind of a
commissioning where we tell them like, hey, God's going to
impart something to you in this session that's going to
be really important for later. So and both are really fun.
I mean, my favorite I think my favorite part is
hopefully that'll spoil this for anyone if you go through

(01:01:23):
our ministry. But you know, we do this test at
the end because we want to make sure that all
the spirits are gone. So you know, I think there's
a we try to be as responsible as possible. The
one thing that we never want to do is spirits lie.
They always lie. So if we ask them questions, it's
because we either want to know, Okay, is there something

(01:01:44):
that they're connected to, like sin wise, is there something
that they're connected to? Generationally? Most often the lie. We
kind of want to get a general framework of like
how many are there, we've seen everything from three to
thirty million, and what I really like. But at the end,
we have this set of questions that are like, you know,

(01:02:04):
is the gospel true is Jesus, a curse is the
blood cover? Well, only the Holy Spirit can answer those
the right way. And so the person, you know, they've
kind of been going through this for three hours while
we're asking a question, I'll be like I think my
name's Alekazam or whatever, you know, and we you know,
and then that maybe they got there crying or they
puked or whatever. And then so once we feel like

(01:02:25):
the Holy Spirit says, okay, you got them all, we'll
do this final test. And so we ask the questions
and inevitably at the end, like the questions get more
and more just like intimate of like do you love
this person? Do you produce for the spirit in this person?
Are you the Holy Spirit? And when we ask the
are you the Holy Spirit? And it says yes, seeing

(01:02:49):
people's like face or like they get this like light
buld moment where it's like, oh my gosh, I'm actually
like the Holy Spirit is like talking and I hear it.
Like we we had one young lady go through our
ministry who her dad murdered her mom and then was
in prison, got out and then she was raised by

(01:03:12):
her grandparents and then the dad murdered the grandparents, so
she had a horrible distrust for men. Like just so
much stuff, just so much trauma, and I'll never forget.
Like we just prayed so much that week, like Lord,
just show her how much you love her. And when

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she went through those questions, like and just you could
see the weight lift off of her shoulders and like
literally we were all just bawling in the room, and
it was like all those moments where it's hard, all
those moments where people shake out of chairs or puke
or you know, you're like, why am I giving up
my Saturday for this? Like it's all worth it, It's all

(01:03:57):
worth it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
How many do you think you've done by now? Like
do you do him every Saturday?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Or the team's big enough now where maybe I do
two a month, maybe one. Sometimes I'll hit three in
a row. It just kind of depends on who it
is or who's available. I would say I've probably done
close to fifty already. Wow, Okay, I mean also that,

(01:04:23):
I mean we've done impromptu ones, like you know, if
we have prayer on Wednesday nights, we have you know,
I'm on the ministry team on Sundays, you know, you
know you go to the right church. When we literally
so one of the people who went through our ministry
into very like he was, he was incarcerated very much

(01:04:47):
into Druidism in prison and all this pagan stuff. Well,
his separated wife showed up to the session, which we say,
please don't do that because obviously there's probably some stuff
that he needs to give you for that we don't
want you to hear. But I'll never forget that session
because I'm sitting there and I'm going through, you know,

(01:05:08):
forgiveness and everything with this guy. And he's like, oh,
she's sitting like just off in the corner. And then
she raises her hand and I'm like, yeah, are you okay?
And she goes, can you do this with me next?
My this isn't funny, but she was like, my sister,
my dad tried to sacrifice my sister and I in
a Satanic ritual. And I was like, okay, that's a

(01:05:29):
big deal. You need to fill out the form. Uh,
but we're kind of focusing on this right now. But yeah,
So anyway, and he still goes to our church and
he's an incredible testament to the power of deliverance and
what what God can do when you just show up
and keep showing up. Like his life, his life is
just so different and he's one of my favorite people

(01:05:52):
at church now. But they brought so she was getting baptized,
and they brought sister who is not a believer, who
obviously was into some pagan stuff because she sat behind
a few ladies on our deliverance team during church, and
it was during worship and they all of a sudden
start hearing some growling behind them, and so one of

(01:06:15):
the girls she turns to the other girl and says,
do you hear this behind us? And she was like,
what do you mean? And she turned around and she's like, oh, yeah,
that's not good. So she went back there and she's like, hey,
can we step out into the lobby, like do you
need some help? Well, she goes out, she starts throwing
up in the trash can like in the middle of church,
and so she finally like moves her into you know,

(01:06:36):
a deliverance room. Well, she ends up doing deliverance on
her there. She gets baptized that same she wasn't supposed to.
She was there for someone else's baptism kids baptized. And
so he actually told me He's like. I drove her
home and she was just like looking out the window
and she was like, the world is so colorful. Everything
has color.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
You're like, are you okay?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
No? But it was such a good It was such
a good exercise for our church too, because we have
this weird dynamic at our church where it's like we
have heavily religious people who are just now realizing like,
oh my gosh, the spiritual one was real. That gives
the spirit real. But I've always been either Baptist or
Calvinist or whatever. And then we have this other weird

(01:07:20):
sect that's like new age Satanic, Like you know, it
came the other way, it went her deliberance, and now
they're just colliding and it's like, all right now, everybody
tried to get along and speak the same language, and
sometimes it's just chaos. And then you know, I got
ladies who.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Are and they get married.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
The ladies are trying to stop me in the hallway
and they're like, was that lady throwing up? Is she sick?
And I was like, nope, she's feeling much better.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Oh You're like, I can't explain this right now, It's fine,
she's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Well, one of the ladies. She's she's so great, like
she's just so funny. I asked her because she knew
what was going on, but she had never been around it,
and she was like, I didn't know what to do.
It was going down, and I said, what did you, Like,
what were you thinking when it was going She's like,
I don't know. I just put a hand down and
I just started praying that God was gonna just take it.
And I was like, congratulations, you're a deliverance minister.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Good job, good job. That's what we like to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I mean, that's my dream is like you know, I
think it's the Holy Spirit is just continuing to reveal
all this stuff to people that everyone's a little dangerous.
You know, where something like this can happen in a church,
no one bats and I somebody takes care of it,
somebody gets free, somebody gets saved on to the next one. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
About Well that's what they used to do, right, that
was the point.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Well, I know, and then you know, you study even more,
just like the early church. And you know, me and
my friends have had we've obviously so many rabbit hole conversations,
but one of the ones we've been having lately. Is
why is water baptism, Holy Spirit baptism and deliverance so
separated now, you know, because you even you do research

(01:08:58):
on how people were baptized. I mean they would literally
unseat any principalities or spirits during that, so a lot
of people would come out brandon tongues and delivered. But
when the Eddy has sowed all these seeds of you know,
false doctrines and split everything up and fragmented everything, so
you have to be a Brian to go find all

(01:09:19):
the pieces of truth and then bring them back together.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
When I got baptized the night before, I got baptized
real baptized, not baptized into the LDS Church, which is
how I originally became water baptized. They baptized you for
the church, like into the church. But yes they talk
about Jesus, but it's a lot about becoming a member
of the church. And yes they do lay on of
hands and give you the gift of the Holy Spirit,

(01:09:44):
but well they call it the Holy Ghost, but that's
not at the same time either. So when I got
out of everything, I decided I wanted to get baptized
in the river like Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
But the river was high and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I didn't want to die that day, so we just
to do it at the reservoir and the night before
and I'm a pretty good sleeper, like I don't really
have any trouble that way. There was the biggest thunderstorm,
and I've been back East Nebraska, Iowa. They have these
crazy lightning thunderstorms out there, and I'm like, why is
you do having one of it like woke me straight out

(01:10:20):
of my sleep, hit the building like really close by us.
Like there's this crazy picture of this lightning bolt hitting
the ice cream shop and my mom sent it to
me and I was like, well that was weird. So
then we go because it woke me up, and then
we go, you know when it's time. I was worried
about it, raining it cleared up, everything was fine, and
then there was an earthquake at the reservoir where I

(01:10:41):
got baptized, and the guy said, I don't know what's
going on with you, but like I hope it works out,
and I was like cool.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
But it wasn't just me that day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
My whole family got rebaptized, so all of us, the kids, everybody,
my husband even, Yeah, and the guy was just a guy.
You know, he was believed in God and he loved God,
and he you know, he wasn't a pastor.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
He just was on fire for God.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
And he ate one time said well, let me know
if I can ever do anything for you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
And I'd been praying about who I was going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
To have do it because I don't have a church,
and I kept having this guy's name pop up, and
I'm like, am I really going to ask this perfect
stranger to come and baptize me? And I did, and
he did, and it was probably really weird grasshoppers.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Nope, Nope, he doesn't. Oh right, it was. I don't know,
that was a weird. And you know what, we never
talked again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
I mean, he's still on my Facebook and stuff, but like,
I really didn't know him that well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
But I made sure he wasn't a Mason or Mormon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
And I think I think some I think sometimes we
you know, it is a big deal, but sometimes we
make it in like we make it into an idol too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
That's when you get some of the kind of crazy
doctrine around, like if you're not baptized, you can't go
to heaven and all this stuff, YadA yatta. When it's
you know, it's it's just an act of obedience. It's
you know, part of part of the journey.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Especially people say you will go to hell.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
I've even had this discussion with people recently, like recent ish,
and I tried to give this same discussion right like
it's it's because we want to because Jesus did, so
you want to And they're like, no, no, you're definitely
going to hell if you don't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
And I was like, well, it's like what do you
what do you do? Then? With the thief on the cross,
like he didn't he didn't have perfect doctor and he
didn't have anything other than he looked at the guy
beside him and he was like, I think you're that dude,
and he said, all right, you're good. I'll see you
when we get there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
And you know it's like then you start asking I
mean questions that if you grow up in the church
you don't even think to ask, because you don't even
know that you're allowed to ask. Where it's like, okay,
well why do we? Why do we from the last
chapter in the Old Testament to the Gospels and it's like,
now there's this thing called baptism and then we're not

(01:13:08):
like no one's like where did that come from? Like
you know, but it's because we don't live in a
we don't live in a temple culture. We don't understand
the context some people.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Some people don't live in a temple culture.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Well you know what you know what I mean, from
the most part.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Well, and we live in a we live in a
time where we don't need a physical temple because Jesus
has done away with that for now. Like you know,
we'll see a physical temple when Zion comes back, you know,
when the New Jerusalem lands. Now I'm not a Zionist,
that's just what it's called the Old Testament ah, but
there will be a physical place where God is and

(01:13:47):
He's at the center of it. But you know, for them,
when it was I decided I believe in God in yahweh,
now I need to The reason why they were like
immediately like you need to get baptized is because in
culture in that time, if you accepted a God, you
would then go to that particular temple and you would
offer your offering, and that's how they would initiate you

(01:14:10):
into the faith. So what they were doing in the
Old testament is called a mitzvah, right, so you would
convert and then they'd say, well, you can't get into
the temple unless you're ceremonially clean. So that's why John
was like, oh, you want to go to Like the
first thing you'd want to do is go be in
the presence of the God that you just accepted. So
of course that's why that came to be. But now

(01:14:32):
it's more of a symbol. Right, So that's why you know,
I can'mera which is its first Peter or whatever where
he's talking about the act of you know, you're crucifying
the old self and now you're rising with Christ. Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Yeah, old wine skins, right, we got to get rid
of those. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
And I mean you'll know, you'll know, you know, And.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
And I think we're always working on things. Like you said,
sometimes things creep back in, you know, sickness can happen,
you can have a death or some traumatic thing. I mean,
things get reopened, right, we have to stay on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
The lookout. I would say, the good word is yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yeah, And I think that's that's a good segue, especially
when you're talking about sickness. Is you know, and this
goes back to what I was talking about with you know,
God's will and trying to understand God's will and that
he like he he has, you know, sovereignty. So sometimes
I mean, you know, we didn't we didn't talk about this,

(01:15:35):
but you know, part of my story the last couple
of years, why it's been so long is you know,
my wife through a breast cancer diagnosis at thirty one.
That's not something that you want to go through. And
you know what, one of the first things that I
told her she had to do, I was like, you
got to go through deliverance because if there's anything spiritual
in that, you need to take care of it. And

(01:15:57):
she went through deliverance and guess what, the tumor was
still there. Now, I mean, I maybe I'm crazy because
I can believe exactly like what it says and acts
the word that they use for disease when they're talking
about you know, Paul getting the handkerchiefs that I think
it's no soos in the Greek actually means given by

(01:16:21):
an unclean spirit. So we have to be able to
use wisdom and discernment to know, like, yes, sometimes the
things that we're going through the physical ailments that we
were going through have a spiritual route, but other times
they don't. You know, people ask me all the time
like Okay, well what if you know, what if my
elbow hurts? And I'm like, well, I mean when did

(01:16:43):
it start hurting? Like did it start hurting when you
were bitter and angry because you know somebody left or
you hate someone, or did you just walk through the
doorway and bump your elbow you know, yeah, And so
it's it's like we just have to be responsible to
know like, Okay, we can go through the checklist and
we can we can give it over to God. And

(01:17:03):
so there's there's people who you know, they need they
need spiritual and emotional healing just as much as they
need physical healing. And you know that's something from my wife,
Like in some ways, I'm very glad that she didn't
go through deliverance and that Twber didn't disappear, because I've

(01:17:23):
seen the way that God has grown her into a
better version of herself over the last two years that
she would not have been able to get to had
he just miraculously take it. So we just have we
have to be able to walk in a way where
we're okay with everything. And I think that's what I'm
seeing a lot in church nowadays, is like, even once

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you come into an understanding of a spiritual realm, as
there's it's easy to get caught up in prosperity Gospel,
and it's easy to get caught up in Word of faith,
and it's really easy to have people tell you to
claim all these Old Testament verses out of context. And
you know what that does. It leads to a lot
of hurt and unmet expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Well, and here's the thing what I people tell me
all the time, Oh, you know, you accepted Jesus and
all this stuff, and then you know, you try to
die all the time, Like that sounds crappy, and then
your back broke and I'm like, yeah, but guess what
I made it?

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Like I lived.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
And I beat cancer and I'm still walking, and yes,
I deal with pain, but like I feel that that wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
A blessing per se.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
But also I read Job and all Job's kids died
in one day and until that and that will never
happen to me because I hope and pray not. But
like they always talk about Joe being restored and I'm like,
wait a minute, he can have a hundred other kids.
Those kids aren't the same. That's not the same kid
as all those kids that died that day. And people

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forget that, you know, they just are like, oh, yeah,
job got restored, And I'm like, but did he You know, no,
he had a lot to hurt. He probably dealt with
that until the day he died, you know. And I
always say, you know, that never happened to me, So
I'm okay, you know, And it's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
All about what you do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I mean, like if if your wife went through that
and she changed as a person. I know, my illness
has changed me as a person, and it makes me
relate better to my patience, It makes me more relatable
as a human being to my family.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
It slows me down, which I hate, but I needed.
You know, there's certain.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Things that you need that God knows better. And I'm
not saying that sickness is fun. It's not a fun time,
but sometimes it changes everything, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Sometimes Revelation twelve says we overcome the enemy by the
blood of the Lamb and the power of our testimony.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Yes, and sometimes will make you, yeah better, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Getting you know, there's a there's a great you know,
it talks about God being they're refiner. He purifies this. Well,
if you know anything about silversmithing, you know they they
got to put the fire. They pull it out, put
in the fire, pull it out, put it in the fire,
and they watch it really closely. And the only way
that they know that it's ready is when they pull

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it silver oute and then they can see their reflection.
And that's the same way that God uses you know,
trials and things in our life, is that you know,
he has a close eye on us we're going through
these things, but that it's that refining process. And you know,
this whole experience has just taught me to be okay
with both both. And you know, it's like I see

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people walking in freedom, I see people you know who
are getting healed with things, and it's like that's incredible,
that's amazing, Like God is powerful. And then at the
same time, I'm like, man, I am so thankful that
we all die because this experience that we're having right now,
it's imperfect, it's flawed, Like thinking about having to live

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forever in this fallen state of world that's not mess
on prosperity. That's a prison, and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Some people would pay a lot of money to stay
in that prison, which is crazy bananas to me. Sign
me out of that, No, sir, no Surrey where they
will beg for death and cannot find it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
No thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I will catch the first train out of town. No thanks,
I'm not doing that. And I think it is important
too for people to know that are Christian, you know,
just because you can have all the answers, you can
do all the things, you can get everything cleared out,
and you can still have a lot of really bad challenges.
I do you met me when the beginning of my
daughter and all that stuff started and still going. You know.

(01:21:40):
Now I've missed the wedding and the baby. She's gonna
be three, you know. And on the other end of that,
I have a step son that I fought with my
whole entire life. And if you would have told me
today that I would be closer to him and his
children because I have another one doing just a couple
of weeks here, then I would be my own blood
and fleshed. I would have told you were not side

(01:22:02):
of your mind. But God does things for a reason,
and also sometimes it's not about you. That might be
about her, like that might be her thing and I
would be in the way. So sometimes we have to
be separated for a time as well. Not that I
like that, I really don't, you know, I also have

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to accept it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Yeah, it's about asking the Lord, like you know, what
what are you responsible for? And the most that you
can do is is what she what she can do
and where you're at, continue to pray, continue to intercede.
We were just I was just talking about, you know,
my pastor and I would work out and there was

(01:22:44):
one time a couple of years ago where he was
on a prayer kick trying to pray for people, and
the sky was walking around a knee brace, and so
he's like, I want to pray for you, and he
goes nothings. So he was so discouraged. But we joke
about it now because you know, the.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Guy thought it was in my cackle full on went crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
He's just like he was so discouraged, but you know,
so we we just prayed for him. Anyway, Like we
still see the guy and he has no knee brace
and so we're like, I've always been tempted to go
to him be like, hey, you know why your knees better?

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Right, I would do it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
I would do it if I were That would be hilarious,
just even if you just got a giggle out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
It would be pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I mean, why would you Why would you want to
live in a world where all this stuff isn't real?
What fun is that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
No? Yeah, no, The only time I say don't pray
for me is don't put me on your temple list.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
I am oh, oh Brandon heard that before? Yeah, yeah,
no kidding, I just that's not for me, but thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
You could pray regular for me though, any day, any
day of the week, right, I mean, we all need it.
And and I think, honestly, you know, I had a
really good session. You'll see it and in a little
probably on ones probably tomorrow. We had a podcast and
I know, God brought us together and it was funny.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
I'd never met one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Of them, one of them I'd done a bunch of
podcasts with, and all three of us sat there and
cried like full grown big babies because he brought all
of us together, and all of us had lost our brother,
every single one, and we didn't know that, none of us,
and we told our stories and we remembered their lives.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
We talked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
I mean, it was like this weird healing, weird podcast
with like even as one was a stranger, you know,
And I know afterward we all felt like whoa.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
You know, it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
And afterward I thought, and I told him right then
and there, I said, God did this. He brought us
all together today because we were praying and they definitely agreed.
And you know, if we're more open to it with
this whole you know, the universe does speak to you,
and it's not enough.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
I hate to break it to people. I mean, great,
I love knowledge, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
I spend all my extra money on books and knowledge
is wonderful, but it isn't the way well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
I mean there's something too that you know. Scripture says
my people perish due to lack of knowledge. But if
you think that knowledge can push you into a godlike echelon,
that's where you start getting into some bad territory.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Yeah, you don't want to wear meson underwear and have
stuff on your nipples and not even know. And that's
so unfair.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
I did hear they did? They switch up the special
underwear they got like a new mode.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Well, they got rid of the sleeves for women, so like,
where this little seam the seam, I know it's racy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
You can show a shoulder, a whole shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
I'm sure the older women, yeah, I'm sure the older
women are like hussies, like if they see those girls
at church. But you know it's all right. They still
got the Masonic imprint. They're not sewed in now. It
used to be a full on sewing mark like an embroidery,
but now they're screen printed. So they're coming along. As

(01:26:14):
for me, no, thank you. I didn't know in the
first place. I think it's super unfair. People always say,
you know you are an Aposta and you're going to
suffer with those promises that you broke. And I'm like,
guess how many promises I didn't know about when I
got there. I didn't even know what I was doing,
and so I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
And then you can just say, just so you know,
I've been through deliverance and I broke up all those
generational curses. Those have nothing to do with me. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
I'm like, gee, kick rocks, kick rocks, kick Mason Rocks.
Nothing against you, guys just saying that the bad spirits
of that, but you could be.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Saved too, and so totally should man. Yes, sir, well Brennan.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
As always, this has been a del and I have
really enjoyed finding out what you've been up to.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Oh yeah, I mean, we can definitely go it on
every other rabbit trail, but we better keep it on topic.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
So I know, I know it's so true and we'll
have to do this again. I definitely want to find
out more like as you you know, go forward and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
This has been super interesting. I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I mean, I was wondering, like, are we going to
talk about head spinning and crazy things. I didn't know
what to expect, see, so it's good to know we
need to put it out there for people.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
We got to just tell the good stories, you know,
because I think that's that's what we really need, is
we just need to see how our an authority on display.
It doesn't have to be angry, it doesn't have to
be violent, it doesn't have to be you know, romanticized
in this like crazy way. I think there's some people
who they live for like the thrill of it, and

(01:27:53):
I think that's when you miss. The point of it
is that there's there's people's souls on the line, and
that there's freedom on the line. And so if we
walk in empathy and we don't put up with the
nonsense from the unclean spirits, it doesn't it doesn't have
to look like that. I'll tell one more funny story
about deliverance. I love this story. So, like I said,

(01:28:15):
you know, we kind of have multi multifacets. There's some
eviction portion, there's some soul care portion. Sometimes we ask,
you know, the Lord if there's any fragments or pieces,
bring it all back together. We see a lot of
soul care. And then the other part of that is
sometimes we do seabatses and Holy Spirit. So some people
will you know, get gifts, you know, great stuff. Well,

(01:28:35):
this one particular morning, the guy was coming in and
I was sitting I usually get there about an hour early,
and said, we'll pray and ask the Lord what he
wants to do. And so I'm praying and I'm worshiping,
and the Lord goes there was a song that he
listened to when he was a kid. I want you
to worship to that song because I need to remind

(01:28:55):
him about the faith that he had when he was
a kid. And I was like, all right, that's weird.
I'll see if it comes up whatever. So we get
into the eviction portion, and sometimes when stuff just like
isn't moving or something stuck, I'm like, okay, let's let's
do soul care and then come back. So that's usually
when we'll either, you know, either do prophetic prayer or

(01:29:19):
we'll start digging into maybe like some stuff like trauma
that they fragmented or whatever. And so I started just
asking him some things and I said, Hey, this is
gonna sound really weird. But the Lord told me there
was a song you liked when you were a kid.
And he just starts laughing and he's like, you're not
gonna believe this. Me and my family were literally talking
about this like two days ago, and I was like,

(01:29:41):
the Lord said that you're supposed to worship to the song.
And he was like, I don't think we can do that.
And I was like, what do you mean and he
was like, well the song is I like it. I
love it by Garth Brooks. And so I'm like, uh, okay,
well I'll turn it on. So you know, the other
guy who's running the sound like. We literally turn on

(01:30:03):
I like it, I love it by Garth Brooks, and
we pray for this guy to receive the Batsism Holy Spirit.
And while Garth Brooks is like I like it, I
love it, I al want some more, this guy starts
praying tongues and I'm like, I'm like laughing, but I'm
also like, yes, Lord, this is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
I felt you were like, this is not happening, So
I hope you're journaling this stuff, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
It was Yeah, that was one of those moments where
I was like, you can't tell me that God like
doesn't have a sense of humor or like he's not
like I think that. There's so many times where people
are like he operates in everything, He's lord of everything,
like you know. And then I texted our cause it
was like boys club that day. It was like me
and the other two dudes that are like my age.

(01:30:49):
So we were just like not following the rules, like
we were just going after stuff. And so I texted
the lady who leads her ministry and she's kind of
like a by the book person, and I was like,
session was great. This morning we played Garth Brooks. He
started praying in tongues and she just all caps, Why
did you do that? Why was that playing?

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Look, we were following the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
She was like, what did you do?

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
I didn't do anything. It wasn't me. Did you tell
her it wasn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
I said, that was always really said. When I told
her the full story, she laughed and she was like,
that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
So I really do hope you're journaling this stuff for
your kids someday.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
Not the people, just this, the funny stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
It's like everyone on the team also has like their
own little like niche, you know, Like we have one
guy on the team who's just like this like very
you know, I know, we were gonna wrap this up
and now we're going again.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
We're good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
We have this, you know guy who's kind of just
a modest, like mid build guy, bold, very quiet, like
if you didn't it, like, and he's notorious for not
knowing anyone's name, even people at the church that have
been there for years. We're like this person, he's like,
who's that and we're like, that's the worship pastor and
he's like, oh okay, but I don't know why. But

(01:32:09):
this dude is a figurative giant in the spiritual room,
like the authority that he walks in is. I am
blown away by it, especially with how humble he is.
We were doing this session and this lady she had
this Lili spirit, and it was like, every time we
would tell it to go, she would just and so

(01:32:32):
we didn't know it was Lilith at the time, and
every time we tell we'd say, you know, lust goo
or control manipulation go, she'd just and we were like,
what is going on? So we're like, okay, it's probably
a restrainer spirit. Normally, the restrainer spirits are either a
spirit spouse, a python, or a Lilith. And so he
finally just says he's like, restrained spirit, I call you forward,

(01:32:55):
and he's like yelling at her, and he's like, why
he's not yelling at her, He's yelling at the little spirit,
what is your name? And she's like, I don't want
to say it. I don't want to say it, and
then she just looks up at him and she goes
that guy, that guy, tell that guy to stop talking
to me. So we tell him now, were like, you're
that guy did not make it feel bit So we're

(01:33:19):
always like, well, you know his name is Drew, like
d you need to come into this session, like you're
that guy, and he's like, I'm that guy. He's just
it makes him uncomfortable because he is so humble. And
then you know, obviously the lady who leads our ministry,
like she sees in the spirit, she's just like so
grounded and has walked in the gifts for so long
that she stewards him so well that she she literally

(01:33:39):
forgets everything, like she's the person that she doesn't write
it down in a session Like I'll say, oh, do
you remember last week when this happened? She's like no.
And then, for whatever reason, I don't know why, I'm
the like weird like I do remember everything, so and
it's not that I remember details or like people's names
or whatever, but I'll just be like, oh, no, no,
this is the same spirit that we saw that was
attached to this because of like this weird pagan religion

(01:34:02):
or whatever, and she's like, why do you remember that?
So I'm the retainer, she's your job.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Yeah. And normally whenever people actually have like what like
logistical questions, you know, they're like, how does this work?
Where we find this. They just all pointed me, and
I'm like, come on, guys, you need to know this too.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
The retainer over there, ask the retainer.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Yeah it sounds like me medically, Yeah, medically, I'm always
like this seems like this. Yeah, that's definitely what that is.
That's how I am with anybody that's sick or whatever.
They're like and I'm like, right, well, sometimes you're wrong though,
but it's fun.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Hey who cares, like, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Thank you for having me Heidi. This, this has been
good to get back in, back in and just you know,
not have a PowerPoint, not have an agenda, just the
spirit wants to go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
And yeah, I think with you and I mean for
you were teaching, you know, and so it's a little
it's a little bit different. And but when you can
just talk, you know, and and it's probably a lot
different now, like you might be able to do that
without even slides or whatever. I have to bring slides
for what I do because I know somebody's gonna come

(01:35:15):
at me. They're coming for me, right like, so I
have to prove it. But you know, this has been great.
I've had a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
So I still do a little teaching. We did another
another round of Unseen Realm. I added way too much
to it, so I don't know. I don't know how
I'm gonna do it now. It's just it's just so
much information.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
It is a lot of information. I do have one
question for you're the guy that could answer this. Okay,
So you know the elohem biblically speaking, Okay, it can
also have a very bad definition.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
And people come at me for this all the time
that they're like, but Michael Heiser says, and I'm like,
I know, but.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
The Bible says blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
And so people are always asking me between the two,
and I just always say I don't know, because I
don't know. I just go off what the Bible says,
and it can talk about you know, ball and different
things like weird stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
And they're like, oh, but but Michael Heiser says, and
so maybe you can shed some light on that, because.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
I'm talking about are you talking about when they talk
about the translation for Lord that means.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
Bail Let me find it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
It's the actual the eloheme. It's in the like one
of the older texts. And all the time people ask
me about this and I'm like, well, this is all
I know. It's what it says, and they're like, well,
blah blah blah. It's it's about plural gods, right. It's
the Hebrew word meaning either God or gods, but it
oftentimes can also mean it's like a bad like a

(01:36:45):
polytheistic context. So and me and you've talked about this
about you know, the divine realm and different things. But
also I know they can say it has kind of
a bad like they relate it to the ad and
I and and I gets in amazonry you get what
I'm saying, It goes down this little I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Well, I think it just comes it comes down to
how you define terms. Obviously we have a we have
a problem in English, you know. So you say God
and you assume we're talking about Yahweh. The same could
have been said. So if you're looking at the Hebrew,
the word alohem can mean God. If it's referring to Yahweh,

(01:37:30):
it can mean God, little g if it's a referring
to any type of you know, divine spirit or angel.
There's also like three or four instances in the text
where it's referring to someone who would be a man.
So even in the case of the Witch of Indoor
bringing up Samuel, it says an eloheim Rose.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
So I always take it as like an inter dimensional
This is kind of what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
It's their ketch all. It's like they're ketchall to say,
like it is an entity that is above.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
It doesn't long here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Yeah, And that's the same way that they use the
word theos in Greek. And so that's see, this is where.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Like I had to ask you this. I'm so sorry.
I've really had like two or three people write.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Me in about it because I'm like, look, I'm with you,
I'm with it with the interdimensional. So I'm always like
be careful with that, you know, because it can mean
a lot of things. Well like the one guy that
was talking about the pastor we talked about and the
El's and you know, like Nevlin, And.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
I mean, it's that's why you we say you need
to clearly define your God, you know, because if you're
you can use l you can use whatever, but you
might not actually be referring to Yahweh or you know,
I'm not a sacred Namer. So if you say Yehovah
or you say yahweh or you say, you know, whatever
it is. I don't think we're ever gonna know his

(01:38:52):
name until he actually tells us because he took the vowels.
Like we're just reaching at straws. So anyone who's like
if you don't say it this way or that way
or out like, you're just you're missing it, You're missing
the point. But this is where people also have a disconnect.
It's like they read they read the old you know,
Heiser stuff, and they are all on board for let's

(01:39:13):
open up the meaning and actually understand Elohem, but they
completely throw the same rules out when they go to
the Greek, you know, and then it's like if you
look at theos, it just means divine ruler authority.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
I always get this because the God of the Mormons
they call him Eloheim, and I'm like, listen, there's a
problem with that. And I try to tell people like
that doesn't mean that that's God, Like you gotta be careful,
you know, like what you're saying at this point. I
just always say the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
Like I've literally.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
There's people who call Satan god. Yes, yes, that's just
Elohem is just the word for God. There's people who
call you know, Lucifer God. There's people who called Practice God.
There's people who call Diana are Artemis or whatever, a
queen of Heaven. There's some people call a queen of
heron heaven Mary. But that's a different topic for a
different day.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
Oh I know about that topic.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Oh yes, uh, well, the Black Madonna and the templars
and all that, and you know, we can we could
definitely do that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
That's a fun one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
But the other thing about it too is like you
have to get your you have to get your trainer
reference in place. So even you know doctor Michael Heiser,
like I love him. When I see him an eternity,
I'm going to say, thank you you change the way
that I look at the scripture. But I after that,
we're probably gonna laugh at all the stuff that we
got wrong. We're gonna be like I was wrong about

(01:40:38):
a lot, and he's like me too. And one of
those things is doctor and accommodation. He was so heavy
into that. And when you believe in the doctor and accommodation,
you believe that God was working backwards into the culture.
So you you know, that's why when you look at
you know a lot of these scholars and they're looking
at Daniel and they're saying like, oh, well, God is
just using this language because he's pulling from the Babylonian

(01:41:01):
God so that everyone in that time frame could explain it.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, you're backwards because
God was the source and all those fallen angels stole
that and created Babylon. So you're missing a step. So
you have to know that God was the creator, is
the beginning in the end, and that everything from that
has been a pollution and a counterfeit of what he created.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Yeah, I think it's important because I mean, you know,
like you said, it can mean Lord Master, it does
even reference Ball, like you said, it's whoever God, whatever
God you're dealing with. But for the context, the reason
why bring it up only this is Mormons will say
because they called him Elohem, it was regular God. I'm like, hey,

(01:41:50):
he's talking about a heavenly mother and there's a trio
there of a ghost and a heavenly mother heavenly father,
and then this makes this weird pairmen they got the
stars on their temple. To look at the whole context,
like it's not good. You know, we get back to
mother worship and weird stuff and chit kina and just.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
It's a whole mess.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
But but what I'm saying is I know that because
I look at their symbols. It's not just the word,
it's the book and the Word and the freemasonry and
this and that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
So that's why, like Brendon said, look at what you're.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Doing, the devil is less stupid, right, he is cunning.
He's a lion. He's roaring around to devour. Don't you
think he's going to take terms that would lead you
to God, that he's going to take things that would
encourage you, Like even let's look at you know, like
the primary priesthood in the Mormons melchizidek, that is Jesus's priesthood.

(01:42:44):
That is what he is inherited. That is a good thing.
But there's probably a lot of people who come out
of Mormonism and are tainted to that word. It triggers
something in them. Like I mean, this episode love, I
would love to just even look at I think the
devil knew that this moment that we're having right now,

(01:43:06):
where the Holy Spirit has begun to bring forth like revelation.
He's pouring out all this revelation you got, you know,
the revealing of the Nephelom, you got revealing of I mean,
I mean it's not super new, but you know, it
was just it was not in its mainstream now right.
You know, you got all this stuff coming out about like, uh,
what is that you know country with the tiny hats,

(01:43:28):
like who are they? Where are they from? You know,
and then you got the gifts are being poured out.
You got Gnocissism being uncovered. And in the eighteen hundreds
you have all these weird side religions coming out. There's
Jehovah Witness, Mormonism, and there's little bits of truth that
it's like you can pull out, Like there's stuff that

(01:43:49):
Protestism gets wrong that he hid in those really wacky religions.
So when you say something like hey, I don't think
we actually go to heaven. I think think that's gnostic,
they're like, ooh, you must be Mormon or Jehovah Witness,
or like you're some weird cold Or when you say
something like hey, I don't know that the Trinity is

(01:44:09):
actually in the Bible, Oh you got to be this
dad or the other heretic and it's like maybe I'm
just trying to read the scripture without a lens and
just trying to figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Well, and like you said, it's a whole corruption.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
I mean, you know, if you figure out about the
Melkezidic priesthood and how it was restored via Joseph Smith,
you know that, you know, dead angel showed up to
give it to him. So I don't know about that.
Dead guys, like actual people that lived on Earth showed up,
John the Baptist, John the Baptist showed up and restored
it here on earth. I don't think. So, Okay, that's

(01:44:47):
not an angel, that's a dead guy. All these dead
people showing up. What does God say when we die,
absent with the body is present with the Lord. I
don't think that that changes for anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
You know, I have this theory and I think that
actually might pull into this this is you might have
to split this into two episodes like starting right now. Yeah,
I've had this theory because when we're talking about the
Melchisdic priesthood, that is Jesus' priesthood. But it would make
sense that you know, the fallen angels would want to

(01:45:19):
usurp that because they want to be prophets, priests and kings,
and the only person who is that is Jesus. And
I've had this theory that no Chizedec in the Old Testament.
Everyone keeps saying he's either a pre incarnate Christ or
he's just a normal guy. Well, what if there's a
third option. In one of the fragments that was found

(01:45:44):
in the Kumran Caves, the Dead Sea Scrolls, there's a
fragment called eleven Q Melchizedec, which talks about Melchizedec, and
that eleven Q Melchisedec is hyper linked to guess what
verse in the Old Testament all may too, which is
the Divine Council.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Well better than what the Mormons say the Metatron.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
So here's my kidding, here's my theory. So we know,
now I would fall into probably what I would say
would be a you know, a fringe of I think
that there was a law in a priesthood before the flood. Otherwise,
what would God have to judge people based off like
you're not just going to I mean we see in

(01:46:30):
Genesis like canaan Abel are bringing first fruits, they're doing torah. Yeah, right,
so they know what's going on. It talks about in
Jubilees that the angels were teaching them how to be priests.
So when Adam gets exiled, he's the high priest, right,
that's how That's why does Abraham know how to make

(01:46:50):
altars when he gets called from Babylon and he makes
all these altars along the Promised Land unless he had
some form of written law. Even when it talks about
Moses going to Mount Sinai, it says the priests were
at the bottom. How do they know how to be priests?
They didn't have Leviticus, so there, how did he have

(01:47:11):
been an angelic priesthood? And even you know Ezekiel and
all these passages about you know, the fallen chair of them,
it says he was anointed with the fiery stones. That's
priest language. So like this priest would wear the ephod
with the twelve stones. Well, he had this particular entity,
whether you believe it Satan or whoever had one with nine,

(01:47:33):
it was a priest. So I think that when God
allocated the nations at Babel, there were some good watchers
and there were some bad watchers. That's exactly why. You
know some of the watchers carry out got to judgment
and Daniel right, it says, by decree the watchers, this
is your punchment.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Well, so some that, yeah, that didn't do the sin.
There was some right, some that were there that didn't
do the sin.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Yes, rebellious, something weren't. So here's the thing. This is Oh,
this is great. I'm gonna pull this together. I'm gonna
land the plane. There is seventy nations in the In
the Table of Nations, Okay, it says that there were
twenty two fallen angels that came down on Mount Herman.
Do you know what twenty two is compared to seventy

(01:48:21):
one third?

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
That's one third one third, yeah, third of the host.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
One yeah, a third of the host of heaven. A
third of those watchers could have come down with you
know whatever. And it was two hundred and twenty and
all or whatever. But I just thought that was interesting.
So there's definitely an angelic priesthood that's functioning. So if
I'm God and I know that the Promised Land is
going to be my number one priority for where I

(01:48:47):
want Abram to go, where I want Israel to be,
would I not put my best watcher in that place.
So my theory is that Melchizedek in the Old Testament
that we see in Genesis and it talks about he
has no more, no dad. I think that he's the
watcher over Canaan, and so he's actually functioning in God's temple.

(01:49:07):
That's why his name literally means my God is Tadek,
where you know that was the Babylonian version of Yahweh
like their.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Pantheon, and he placed the angels too to keep us
from going back in the garden.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
So we know he does this, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
He's done it before. I think that Melchizedek could potentially
have been the watcher over Canaan who was responsible for
making sure that Promised Land was going to be available
to Israel. And because he was faithful, he was basically
like the Levitical like he was the Levites. So when

(01:49:43):
Jesus then ascends into the priesthood, he takes that priesthood back,
and so Jesus is actually the bridge as we go
into eternity where the human priesthood and the angelic priests
to come together, so we have one priesthood.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
Makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
That's just my theory.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
I like it don't do it the Mormon way and
do the ironic and melchzedic and it's Metatron and Enoch
and yeah it gets messy, but no, I.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Mean that's been the hard thing. Men had been trying
to steal the priesthood back forever. Yes, yeah, and they're
just lurping as popes.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
But it makes sense if it really is angelic, Like
I never thought.

Speaker 4 (01:50:30):
Of it being separate like that. That's wild, but it
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Well yeah, because you know when when he actually does
call it, you know, he does call Israel out, and
Moses was supposed to be the high priest because he's like, okay,
well you guys need to have a temple and you
need to have a functioning you know, this and that
and the other. And then he chose Levi as basically
the concession because you know, he was good. So yeah,

(01:50:59):
he needed that, he needed a human priesthood to facilitate
the temple. Like he wouldn't have put an angel in
the temple as the priest because he probably was, I
don't know, according to Hebrews, like there has been a
temple in heaven forever.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
So if there is an angelic priesthood, then obviously there'd
be an inversion and where would it rest right in
the temples that men build.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Well, yeah, what's really interesting is even once the priesthood
was given, this is what's really important about the New
Covenant is everyone wants to talk about the New Covenant
being like, oh Jesus did away with the law. No,
Jesus fulfilled the law Jeremiah thirty one, and the New
Covenant is about the priesthood. What he's saying is, hey,
there's going to be a day when I make a

(01:51:51):
new agreement with the House of Judah instead of Levi.
And so there was a transferral of the authority for
ament and so atonement is when you know, God actually
like brings people back into you know, grace. And so
if you there's the you know, the scapegoat story about

(01:52:13):
the the you know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
A zazel goat place it on.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Yeah, so if you even look in like the rabbinical writings,
there was more that went to it than even the
biblical story. So the rabbis would talk about every year
when they would send the scapegoat out, they would also
send a goat out with a like a shroud or
something dipped in blood, and they would send the goat out,
and then the goat would come back, and then the
shroud would be miraculously like clean, and that's how they

(01:52:40):
would know that. You know, God was like, we're cool,
I forget your sins. Well, the first feast of Atonement,
after Jesus as sends to the temple, they sent the
goat out and it came back and it was still
bloody because he said, you're not the pre Jesus is

(01:53:03):
the priest, repent.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
Truth and and for.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
And it gets confusing because I still have people that
come on and are like, we should do the festivals
and all the tour and all the law. I'm like,
you're gonna live all those laws? You're gonna do that?

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
I think you should. I think you should, but.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
No, I'm not going to send girls out to the
shed when they bleed.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
And crazy laws. They got some.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Crazy we need you need to look at. You know,
which ones are which ones are applicable obviously, and there's
you know, and most of it we can't do because
there's not a functioning temple. But you also have to
know how to read, you know, Paul, and so when
you talking about Galatians, you know, He's like, hey, don't
put yourself under the law, don't put put yourself under grace.

(01:53:46):
What he's referring to is, you know, he's saying, the
law and grace have very distinct things that they do.
They don't overlap. If you think that you can do
the law and obtain salvation, you're never going to do it.
Is don't use a hammer as a toothbrush. Right, So
the law, the loss fore discipleship, it's for it's for

(01:54:07):
you to look at that and say, is my life
looking a little bit more like Jesus? So, you know,
when when I started to realize that, I just said, Lord,
I'm just going to start implementing these things one by
one as you're revealing to me. And if they don't
produce fruit in my life, if I'm not more peaceful,
if I'm not more joyful, if I'm not this out
of the you know, if I'm not seeing the evidence

(01:54:28):
of it, he was like, then don't do it, you know.
But so I know that because I decided two years
ago I'm not going to eat pork or shellfish, it
has no bearing on my salvation that fully lies in Jesus.
But if I want to have a little bit healthier life,
and I don't want parasites. I don't want this there
or the other. It's almost like, oh God, I kind

(01:54:50):
of knew what he was talking about. So it's it's
a balance, and it's knowing you know how to place
them properly and how to you know, find joy, because
I don't think He doesn't want you to do him
if there's no joy in them, like and and that's
why when I do evangelism, I'm trying to tell people
like I don't know how to tell you this, but like,

(01:55:10):
if you hate all this stuff, if you don't like
to love your neighbor, if you don't like to keep Sabbath,
if you don't, you're not gonna have very much fun
in eternity because like we're gonna celebrate Passover every year,
We're gonna do tabernacles every year. Like that's how God's
house functions. So if you don't like the house rules, like,
you're probably not gonna like it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Well, and I think some of them got corrupted, Like
the ones for women always seem to be crazy bananas, like, oh,
we all have to wear the thing and go out
in the shed, and I don't know it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:39):
Got real weird, and I mean ed Maybray.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
Was on and I asked him about it and he said, well,
for Gentiles, the law is different. And he talked to
me this whole thing about it. But and what he
said made sense too. But I think at the end
of the day, number one, we don't know. But number two,
you do know better than wrong. You do know better
then you know not not loving your neighbor. You do

(01:56:04):
know better than to kill somebody. You do know better
than to cheat on your husband or wife. You do
you do know some things like let's be realistic, like
you said, and I think the poor thing and all
those things are important too, like if you are convicted
to do that, or like you said, there's health benefits
and health problems and different things like obviously you know
use your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:56:22):
Do I do that? No, you know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Abstain from it. But also I could see the sense
in it. Personally, I think everything's poisoned anymore. But I
mean that's just me. I think they're poisoning everything.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
But you have to understand some of it too, like
where you know he was he was telling them like
this is what's going to separate you and make you
look different than all the other nations, and that's what's
going to help you kind of be that lighthouse that
are going to bring people in and you know where
it's I mean even there's like I get what you're saying,
Like there's some crazy ones in there where it's like

(01:56:57):
don't mar the corners of your beard, and it's like, well,
I get a fade, So what does that mean? But
if you actually do the research on it, you'll find
that it was there was a particular haircut that the men,
the priests and the temple of Dionysus had where they would,
you know, and then they would go in and they
would worship Dionysus. So what he's saying is, don't get
the dumb haircut that makes it look like you worship

(01:57:18):
Dionysus because you belong to.

Speaker 4 (01:57:20):
Me, right right, yeah, use use common sense. It makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
You never know, like what would it be like if
it was if it was written now, Like maybe there'd
be some weird ones where we'd be like, don't wear
a friendship racelest and go to Taylor Swift concerts.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
I bet it would be like, uh, don't be on
your phone twenty four hours a day and not read
your scriptures.

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
Oh okay, that's all I do.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
You know, It's like even you know stuff where it's like,
don't mix fabrics. It's it seems like it's like, oh,
God doesn't want me to have any fun. It's like, well, no,
God created frequency, and he knows if you put two
frequencies together, like you're not getting any of the health benefits.
We're like, why the heck shit? You know, circumcise my
kid on day Well, that's actually when the vitamin K

(01:58:02):
levels fake and they won't bleed.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
Out, Yeah, bleeding. I don't know about the whole I
don't know about the circumsition.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
I don't know that that one's also. I've talked to
a bunch of people about that one.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
I don't know. Some people say it's the mark of
the slave. I just know it's this.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
I did a whole show on it with Sean from
Wake the Dead podcast, and he showed me some medical
scientific stuff on MRIs and the baby's brains were never
ever the same and it caused them trauma. And that's
a little frightening And why would you do that? Because
it would mess up people and cause them more aggression.

(01:58:43):
He had this whole thing about it. It's a really
interesting one. It's saw my podcast. I can't remember what
number earlier than later.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
But sew and Wake the Dead. He's great.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
And the thing was was he brought scientific evidence. So
I was like, well, and here's the thing, Like you said,
I'm sure we're going to get up to heaven and
go yep, we got everything wrong. Like if we I
mean hopefully heaven. I want to make it there. But yeah,
if we get there, I'm sure we're going to have
plenty of things that we mess up. Like you said,

(01:59:14):
who knows, who knows, but we do have to try,
don't have to try her best.

Speaker 4 (01:59:18):
We can't just go, oh, too bad, I guess we
just won't try.

Speaker 3 (01:59:22):
That's why we just start that we have Jesus in
the meantime. But you know, it's it's you know, I
talk about this all the time with my friends and
you know, us people who are inquisitive, like we want
to know, and we just keep asking God, Hey, I
want to know more. I want to know. I want
to know how that works. Why is he like this?
And unfortunately, like there is a responsibility and there is

(01:59:43):
a standard that comes with you know, he's gonna hold
me very much more accountable to things because I've asked
to know than you know, some dude in a remote
village who has never you know, read a Bible, but
knows that there's a creator who you know, created everything,
it loves them.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
So I don't know sure, true, true, that's been It's
a wild thing. It's wild like knowledge is power, but
it also comes with a lot of responsibility.

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
So just like Spider Man said.

Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
So with that, Brennan, do you have anywhere where people
can find you, especially if they need deliverance?

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
Oh not particularly, maybe you can just we'll just drop
the link in we are I'll just say we're looking
at in Nebraska. So if you're somewhere in the Nebraska area,
whether that's like Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, and it's something that
you've been wanting to do, like, there's a form on
the website you can fill it out. We would love
to have you come through the mystery or even if

(02:00:39):
you just you know, have something in particular you need
prayer for, just fill it out and we'll we'll do
the best that we can.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
So awesome, Well, I will make sure to drop it
in the links you guys. Brennan as always a definite pleasure.
This has been eye opening in a good way. I'm
glad we didn't get too scary. I can sleep tonight
not have any you know, exorcist streams aren't seazing. It
was actually better than I thought it would be, so
not in a bad way, but just scary wise. So yeah,

(02:01:08):
maybe people would be less afraid and get better, you know,
especially if you're really convicted, like that guy that drove
out there. That was powerful, you know. I think you're
going to know. I think you're going to know if
you need that, and you should definitely get a hold
of people or even you know, reach out ones if
they're too far zoom.

Speaker 4 (02:01:25):
I don't know, Brennan knows, so I'll put the link
down below. It will be in the show notes. So
thanks again, Brennan.

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
I appreciate you, and I can't wait to do this
again and glad you're back.

Speaker 4 (02:01:37):
Bye.

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