November 15, 2024 • 29 mins
Discover how Brittney Bogues, a visionary PR strategist and philanthropist, has used her passions and experience to create her own career path. Brittany's story is a powerful testament to authenticity and positivity, particularly for Black women navigating the competitive PR industry. This episode is filled with inspiration, practical advice, and is a celebration of ungovernable women breaking barriers and redefining success.
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Books mentioned in this episode: Atomic Habits by James Clear and The Four Agreements by don Miguel Ruiz.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Portia Mount, creator and host of
Ungovernable Women, formerly theManifesta Podcast, the
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Welcome to Season 5 ofUngovernable Women, the career
and lifestyle podcast foraspiring women ready to break
barriers.
I'm Portia Mouw and I'mthrilled to be back with my
co-host, tiffany Waddell-Tate,ceo of Career Maven Consulting.
(00:43):
We've got a new name, but ourmission remains stronger than
ever helping women find theirpurpose, lead high-impact
careers and meaningful lives.
This season, we'll bring you thestories of women who forged
their own paths to success.
It's our time to shine.
Let's dive in.
Welcome to the UngovernableWomen pod, and we are so
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thrilled to introduce our guest,brittany Bogues, a PR
strategist and philanthropistwho's redefining success on her
own terms.
As the founder of BoguesConsulting Group, brittany has
built a reputation forinnovative approaches in public
relations, and her impactextends far beyond business, as
we are going to hear, and she'sparticularly involved with young
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people and shaping their livesthrough the Muggsy Bogues Family
Foundation, the Junior Leagueand a myriad of community
engagement initiatives.
Brittany's career journeyexemplifies what it means to be
ungovernable, creatingopportunities, challenging norms
and uplifting others along theway.
Let's dive in and welcomeBrittany.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm so excited to be here.
Brittany, I am excited to justhave this conversation with you
because we go way back to earlycollege days, but can you help
our listeners understand alittle bit more about your
career path and what took youfrom corporate to sports to
founding your own PR firm twiceand what inspired you to step
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off the corporate track andcreate your own venture?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Sure.
So I didn't even know the worldof PR and event planning
existed really as a full-timeprofession until I was a junior
in college and I was able to geta really great internship with
the Rust Power Morning Show.
So as a nationally syndicatedradio station, I was able to see
all different departmentspublic relations, marketing,
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sponsorship, event planning andI mean, I fell in love from
there.
So I changed my major at Wakeand graduated and was able to
secure a job in PR working withFloyd Mayweather, and it was
just an incredible opportunity.
I didn't really know anythingabout boxing at the time, so I
learned a lot about boxing andlearned a lot about PR and also
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about how to be a business owner.
So I then launched my firstcompany, which was a great
experience, but one that Ididn't succeed in that business,
and so after closing it, Istarted working at nonprofits,
and that was such a greatopportunity because I learned a
lot about how to be a betterleader, but also how to
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fundraise.
Not all event planners andpublicists know how to fundraise
, and so it was a really uniquehard skill that I love adding to
my service base.
And then, after switching toanother nonprofit and seeing how
the leader was running theorganization.
I knew that it wouldn't be afit for me.
So that was about almost sevenyears ago when I decided to take
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the leap and start my secondventure, which is Vogue's Group.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Thank you for just your candor around starting the
challenges that you faced andthen choosing to get back into
it, and how that skill mobilitywent with you to the second
launch.
And it's been incredible towatch your journey, especially
because I know you as a personare so kind and when I think of
PR, pr kind of has a reputationof being really cutthroat, a
little hardcore, and so I'mcurious about how you kind of
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balance being your authenticself while also carving out your
own space in this kind of roughand tumble industry.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's so funny that you said that I met with another
founder yesterday and he justautomatically assumed like
public relations was immediatelylike crisis communications.
And no, it's not like.
Crisis is a part ofcommunication, but it's not your
main mode, unless you're onlyfocusing on crisis communication
.
So to your point, it does havelike sometimes an interesting
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connotation for the profession,but I found that as long as I am
presenting my authentic selfand I work with clients that are
aligned and they focus oncommunity, they respect what we
do, as long as we're producinglike results, I haven't found
that like kindness, has you knowreally.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Brittany, or you know , hampered anything, but I will
say that it's something thateasily can be taken as a
weakness.
But I took a strength finderstest and positivity is one of my
strengths and so I've reallylearned to actually lean into it
and it's been it's.
It actually works better for me.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'm not surprised at all that positivity is in your
top five.
You're so, you're like, you'rejust like a ball of sunshine.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So and I love the positivity as well, and as
someone who spent many years inthe PR agency world in New York
and Chicago, more kindness andpositivity goes a long way,
because that world can becutthroat.
But what I love about whatyou're talking about too, is
like you have you bring your ownperson to that role into your
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business.
And I will also just say one ofthe things I also love is there
aren't there are just notenough women of color, black and
brown women who are at the sortof like the highest levels
within public relations, and weneed more.
So I just love, I loveeverything about this story.
I want to pivot a little bitand ask you about your family
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foundation and your personalphilanthropy, because it's
really clear that you have adeep alignment between your
business but also your personal,like your sort of your mission
orientation, particularlyworking with young people.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat and why is?
And, more importantly, sort ofthe why behind that, like why
young people, and just talkabout sort of how you came to
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think about philanthropy butalso working with young people.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Sure.
So, yes, young people aredefinitely important.
I will say, like my specificfocus area is like domestic
violence survivors and also theunhoused.
But when I moved back toCharlotte from DC, the main
reason I did that was my dad andI wanted to relaunch our family
foundation.
My father lived in, I mean,severe poverty.
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He was shot when he was five,like he overcame a lot of
obstacles to get where he wasand so his whole thing is too
much is given, much is required,and so it really spearheaded
our focus to launch the MuggsyBogues Family Foundation, which
really focused on the family asa whole.
We focused on food and securityand solving that issue, as well
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as workforce development,because if a family has a strong
workforce behind them as wellas stable food coming in,
there's amazing heights thatthey can reach and stability.
And so that's what our passionis filling in the gaps,
providing the basic necessities,because at the common level we
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all deserve the basicnecessities, but it also makes a
really big difference.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Brittany, I'm going to pivot into more of your work
around personal brand impact.
I've been a personalbeneficiary of many of the women
in corporate and entrepreneurleadership programs that you run
.
You've partnered on and helpingpeople tell their story,
c-suite and beyond.
Can you share a little bit ofyour perspective on what it
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means to be unconventional whenyou're building a personal brand
and what that means to you?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Of course, I feel like when people are building
their personal brand, theysometimes try to mimic other
people.
And, yes, there is somethingyou can gain from looking at
people that you admire andseeing skill sets that sets you
from other people and then leaninto that to build your personal
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brand.
Because what I've found is thatwhen you try to pretend to be
one thing online and then you'reanother way in person, it is
not positive for your brand, itdoes not create alignment and
people will notice.
And people not only will notice, but they won't be able to
trust you.
And all about personal brandingit's about building credibility
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, and being your authentic selfis how you do that, and in a
conventional way.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I love that, brittany , and we have a lot of our
listeners are women who areearly to mid-career, and so I
wonder if you could just givesome specific examples of you.
Just I want to dive just alittle bit deeper of so what
does it look like when someoneis doing this well, right, when
you talk about building thiskind of unconventional,
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authentic personal brand?
Maybe a few examples.
And then I'd love to hear theopposite of when you like common
mistakes that you see whenpeople are trying to, because
it's a lot of times it feelslike trial and error for people
who are not experts and so loveto start with.
Maybe like what are those fewthings that when it's going well
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, when you're doing it well,what does that look like?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Sure.
So I would say, like when it'sgoing well and doing well,
everything's aligned and peoplewill notice out in public or in
other spaces that you aresticking to whatever pillars
that you've kind of come up withas your mode of brand.
So, like, for instance, one ofmy dear friends, she really
focuses on uplifting youngpeople.
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So she created a 20 under 20award because she knew that was
a demographic that wasn't beinglike touched, but was true to
her personal brand, because sheloves educating and helping
younger members grow into theirown.
Also, she's really strict onmaking sure that she's always
seen in her brand colors andwhether it's online, her filters
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have the same colors, but alsoin person she's always wearing
her brand colors.
So what's happened to her is,when she goes out, people may
not know her name, but they doknow her brand or they know
about her, and they alwayscorrelate that teal color with
her.
So to me that means she's doingit well, because they have a
little idea of who she is andare leaning in to learn more.
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What doesn't do well is ifyou're posting a lot of content
about I'm having $10,000 days,but then you're also working at
another side hustle.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So no money.
You shouldn't be holding moneystacks on Instagram.
You don't want us to hold moneystacks Flashing all the jewelry
.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
We shouldn't be doing that.
No, that's a no, Brittany, no.
Tell the people, Brittany.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Tell the people there's definitely a time and
place to talk metrics and tovisually show your results.
I definitely think there's atime and place.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I love how tactful you are about that.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I love it Visually show your results.
I'm just not sure like that isthat.
And so, like you want yourbrand whether it's your personal
brand, but also it does lendinto your professional brand,
that it aligns, and so peopleare really able to see the true
you and also feel like they cantrust you.
Because I mean, in order foryou to turn it to the conversion
side of it, people have totrust you at the end of the day,
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and that's how you build thatfoundation with your personal
brand.
That is so good.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I love that.
So it's about building trust.
It's about showing up in a veryconsistent manner around sort
of whatever that thing is thatyou are passionate about, that
you want to be known for.
And then what I'm also hearingis visually matching how you
want to show up so that you canbe in aligning sort of the
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visual, what people see and whatthey're hearing from you, and
being consistent in that Is thatkind of a decent summary.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That was a beautiful summary.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And then, on the flip side, leave the stack, the
tacky stacks of money at home.
You know, don't?
You know, don't like.
Think about everything that youdo, what you know, in all
seriousness, everything you doshould be brand, should be
aligned to your brand, and so,being mindful of you know,
whatever, while it may be funand kind of cute, the question
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is, is it aligned with who Iwant, how I want people to see
me?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Exactly, and you have to think about the end user at
the end of this, like who?
Is your ideal targetdemographic.
Maybe funny and silly does workfor your demographic, but you
know.
But do it with thought in mind,intention in mind and really
thinking about who is your enduser.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's good.
So no scamming, no money stands.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I love that and so.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I'll be adding that to my content strategy for the
rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
No scamming, tiffany, tiffany, tiffany, no scamming.
And Tiffany knows that, likeI'm addicted to scammer podcasts
though, I will just tell you soif scamming happens, I will
very much be listening to thatpodcast episode.
If there's a scammer out there,I will listen to it.
So we're not encouraging it.
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I'm just saying that when itbecomes a Netflix special or a
true crime podcast, I willdownload and listen to that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's how I am with true crime.
I am obsessed.
It scares my boyfriend a lothonestly, we can totally be
friends.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Brittany, I did not know you were into true crime.
We're going to have to talkabout this.
Obsessed, obsessed.
I love it, I love it, I love it.
Tiffany, bring us back, we'regoing off track.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I'm going to bring us back, brittany.
I think a lot of times on thepod we talk to our guests about
themes like work-lifeintegration.
I don't think work-life balanceis realistic.
Regardless of what your lifepie kind of looks like, I know
you are always traveling.
It's not uncommon for me to say, hey, brittany, do you want to
come to this event?
And you're like I'm going to bein Greece and then I'm like,
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okay, I'll try again next time.
But I would love for you tojust share for our listeners
what's your perspective onwork-life integration and how do
you create space forinteresting, really impactful
work?
You mentioned being partneredand then doing things for your
family and also having fun.
I see your workout videos.
How do you create space for allof that without getting burned
out?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So I'm reading this book that I'm obsessed with it's
Atomic Habits and I really havetried to implement some of the
strategies in there to havework-life integration Because,
to your point, as a smallbusiness owner, entrepreneur,
like it is impossible to havelike work-life balance.
So I do a thing called habitstacking, time blocking, and I
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really try to feed into myselfbefore I start my day.
So, for instance, I usuallystart my day around like 4.30, 5
o'clock in the morning.
Wait what?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Hang on what, what time?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
do you start your day in the?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
morning 4.30 or 5 o'clock in the morning and I
like to kick it off with aworkout because I know a workout
will get my brain and my bodyin a week.
Then I get my macho, I showerand I really put myself together
.
So then I feel good.
When you look good, you feelgood, amen.
So then I feel good, you know,when you look good, you feel
good.
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And then after that I try tofree my brain.
So whether it's reading thenews to help me with something
later for a client just doingsomething to jog that, then I
officially start my day.
I only do meetings on certaindays of the week.
So I literally try to create asmuch consistency because I know
there's a lot ofinconsistencies.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That's so good.
I was tracking with you oneverything but the matcha.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I love all of that, except for the 430.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Except for that, I can't.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
No, oh, okay, that was your thing, Okay.
So I love matcha.
I love matcha, but it's a nofor me at 430.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's a no.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I feel like you have so much more time left in the
day when you wake up that early.
You do, you do, you do, and I'man early riser, just not a 4.30
riser.
But you know what I love?
But what I love about whatyou're saying too, is you have a
disciplined approach to yourday in order to not only
maximize it but to take care ofyourself.
And I think you know, noteveryone's a 430.
Some people are five, somepeople are six, but what I'm
hearing you say is like you putinto yourself first, and then
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you kind of get your mindsetready and then you're sort of
launching into the day, and Ithink that's a tremendous set of
habits to have, whether you'rean entrepreneur or not.
So I really love that.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, plus one on the James Clear book recommendation
too.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Thank you, and I agree, discipline is really the
name of the game.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
We'll definitely drop Atomic Habits in the show notes
for our listeners, because itis a great read.
Whether you're an entrepreneur,a career girly, whatever you're
doing, I'm down for the AtomicHabits, but not the matcha.
But down for the atomic habitsor the 430.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Like I feel like I can still have an atomic habit I
love that book too withoutbeing up at 430.
So Brittany's.
Like you don't want to beimpossible, I know we are
impossible, brittany.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well you aren't.
I will say the cool thing aboutthis I think the overarching
thing is self-awareness, becauselike to be self-aware if you
know you do your best work atnight, like structure your days
to that.
So it's like you said earlier,it's discipline, but it's also
self-awareness, Like if you knowthat's not going to work for
you.
Don't set yourself up forsomething that's not going to
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work for you.
This is a fact, Facts.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, facts.
I love that.
So, brittany.
So what is one?
I love the energy you bring andit's clear that you, I think,
as Tiffany said, you bringsunshine everywhere you go.
What's one bold decision youmade in the past, or most recent
past, that seemed risky at thetime but has paid off
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significantly now that youreflect on it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Starting Bokes Group, starting my company, was, and I
say, risky.
It was risky.
I had all the lessons I learnedfrom my first experience and I
knew that setting up automationsystems, standard operating
procedures was a must in thisnext business.
But I also realized I could notwork for this woman that I was
working for, like it was notfeeding my spirit, it was not
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anything, it was not conducivefor anything positive.
So I literally put in my twoweeks notice.
Didn't have a client yet, butit all kind of came together.
Didn't have a client yet, butit all kind of came together.
Once I did build my businessplan, filed for my LLC, got my
EIN, dunn's number, all thosefun things that you do.
It all really kind of came intoplace because I had the
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knowledge from the first time.
And they say, fail fast andfail often, and that's what I
had to do.
But it was a scary move to make.
But almost seven years laterit's been the best decision of
my life.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yes, love it.
You are so inspiring to mebecause it's like I want to
highlight too.
You were like you know whatthis work situation is?
Not it for me, it's not healthyfor me, it's not moving me
forward.
I'm going to do somethingdifferent, and it takes courage
to do that different and ittakes courage to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It really does.
And I think it's worth it tomaybe pull that threat just a
minute, because we hear from alot of women who are in just
toxic work situations.
They've got a ton of talent,they are thinking they want to
go out on their own but that thefear of the loss of the regular
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paycheck and being afraid tobet on oneself is really
overwhelming.
And I wonder for that womanthat's out there who is in a
situation that she knows is notworking and she does want to.
She wants to step out on faith,but she's afraid.
I'm wondering, if you just talka little bit about you know,
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one did you, were you afraid?
But two, how you know how tomanage that kind of fear when
you're making these bigdecisions that you know like
could not work out.
I love your fail, fast fail,you know early and often, but
how do you deal with, how do youdeal with fear?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, I will definitely say faith has really
helped me with my fear, but alsobetting on myself.
I recently spoke with a woman Iwas writing a publication and
she was a game changer and herstory, I mean it, inspired me so
much because, to your point,she was in a position where she
knew she didn't want to be there, but she also wanted to be
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really methodical.
So she met with a financialplanner and literally mapped out
okay, I know I can't leaveright now, but when can I
actually leave?
And it was 36 months.
36 months was her magic numberbut she literally stayed to the
plan, started saving and she wasable to leave and start her own
company and now she's stilldoing it.
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It's an interior designbusiness and she really focused
on betting on herself and alsoknowing that there's something
better for her.
And with the plan you canachieve anything.
It doesn't always have to befast or quick, but as long as
you have a plan and you're doinga little step each day to get
there, it's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I love that, brittany , one of my favorite things to
say is commit and then figure itout.
So commit and get that plan andthen start working the plan one
step at a time.
One other question before wedive into some really fun stuff,
which is I want to just ask youa little bit about just the
industry of public relationsitself changing a lot.
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I think AI is literallychanging everything.
You know, I can tell you as amarketer, I certainly see that,
and so I'm just curious one yourthoughts on just the future for
the industry overall.
And then what do you see?
How do you see women inparticular continue to shape the
public relations industry?
Just some thoughts on theindustry overall.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Sure, I mean, I feel like, if nothing else, we have
learned from the pandemic andmore, that, like, women are
leaders and women can makethings happen, and so I just
feel like there definitely justneeds to be more opportunity for
women, especially BIPOC women,to see growth in the
communication space.
I feel like we're oftenover-mentored and underfunded,
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so I feel like it's a mixture ofthings.
It's creating spaces foropportunity and networking, but
it also has to do with actualpolicy and just making more
access available.
To answer that question.
And then I think you mentionedsomething else yeah, just the
industry.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Where's public relations?
I mean, I know it's a big, widefield, but just your thoughts
overall?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, so I embrace technology.
I always love like if I can domy job better, more efficiently
and more creatively.
I'm always going to lean intothat because my clients deserve
that.
I will say that I use AI fromtime to time, but I also know
that nothing will replace therelationships that you make, the
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key writing skills that you'vedeveloped.
So I just say, use everythingas a tool, but always also
incorporate your own trueability and talent into all the
things you're doing.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Oh, I love that, I love that.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I was shaking my tambourine when you said women
are over-mentored andunderfunded, because I am
constantly screaming into thevoid about how true that is
across every industry sector,for all businesses, and it's
deeply troubling.
But I'm going to keep uspositive.
Okay, and Brittany, we're goingto head into the next section
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of the pod.
We do a lightning round.
That, I think, is really fun,sometimes a little unhinged, but
we're going to ask just acouple of questions of you,
don't overthink it.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Don't scare her, Tiffany.
You're scaring her.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Don't overthink it, just say the first thing that
comes to your mind.
Okay, first question what is amotto or phrase that defines
your personality or mindset?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Love the life you live, live the life you love.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
We love that, love the life you live, live the life
you love.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
We love that, love it .
Speaker 1 (25:13):
So we recently renamed the pod to be called
Ungovernable Women.
And so what does ungovernablemean to you?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
The first thing that definitely comes to my mind is
just someone that's going afterwhat they want.
They're not going to be told no, and if they are told no,
that's just a no.
Not yet it's not a no.
So I feel like it's someonethat will figure it out away
Nice.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Okay, what is a secret?
Unpopular opinion that you hold?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I love this one.
I love this one.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Literally, I did a viral.
I will.
It went viral but I did a tweetabout.
I love reality TV,unfortunately, and Real
Housewives of OC.
There's a character, tamara,who I was like oh my gosh, it's
an unpopular opinion, but Ireally think she's a mean girl
and, honestly, my tweet wentviral because, in fact, it might
be a popular opinion.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Honestly, my tweet went viral because in fact, it
might be a popular opinion.
Okay, I'm gonna have to watch.
I'm not familiar.
One time I went viral because Itold the Twitter streets that I
don't like Doritos and peoplewere very upset about this.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
The internet is so we don't have enough time to talk
about the unhinged hive mind ofthe internet, because I too have
gone viral for all the wrongreasons, making a seemingly
innocent remark and literallygetting flamed for days on end.
I am still like it was aboutkids, about not making kids eat,
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eat all their food.
And when I tell you parenting,twitter is a hellscape and you
know, we may even need to cutthis because I don't want to go
viral again before making liketalking about parent, how
unhinged, crazy parents onTwitter are.
But so we'll just you know what.
Sorry, because we're livingviral traumas and that's not
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really the point of this, but isthere one book that you find
yourself recommending or gifting?
We're trying to pull ourselvestogether.
You know what?
Tiffany is right, we do getunhinged by this part of the pod
and it's not by design, but itjust tends to happen.
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Is there a book that you findyourself gifting or recommending
repeatedly?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Oh my gosh.
Yes, the Four Agreements.
I'm obsessed with that book.
It changed my life and I try mybest to live by the Four
Agreements.
I'm not always living by them,but I try my best to live by
them.
Yeah, it's my favorite book.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I love it, tiffany.
Take us in.
Take us in before we do moredamage, all right.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Last question, Brittany what is the best
purchase under 150 bucks you'veever made?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Under $150?
Let's see.
Probably my, oh, my gosh.
Of course, my portable charger,my, you know, like the portable
phone charger, phone bank, itis everything.
My phone is constantly dyingbut that saves me the most.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I love it.
Thank you, B.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
We'll have to get the very specific brand that you
use so we can share it in ourupcoming store, Brittany Bogues.
Thank you so much for yourwisdom and time.
It has been such a delight andcan't wait to continue to follow
you.
We'll post all your socials andwe just we love having amazing,
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beautiful women like you, andthanks for having some fun with
us as well.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yes, thank you for saying yes.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I had such a great time and, tiffany, I'm so proud
of you.
I inspired all the time, sothank you.
Thank you, you're the best Band great to meet you, portia,
you're a gem.
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Welcome to Season 5 ofUngovernable Women, the career
and lifestyle podcast foraspiring women ready to break
barriers.
I'm Portia Mouw and I'mthrilled to be back with my
co-host, tiffany Waddell-Tate,ceo of Career Maven Consulting.
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We've got a new name, but ourmission remains stronger than
ever helping women find theirpurpose, lead high-impact
careers and meaningful lives.
This season, we'll bring you thestories of women who forged
their own paths to success.
It's our time to shine.
Let's dive in.
Welcome to the UngovernableWomen pod, and we are so
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thrilled to introduce our guest,brittany Bogues, a PR
strategist and philanthropistwho's redefining success on her
own terms.
As the founder of BoguesConsulting Group, brittany has
built a reputation forinnovative approaches in public
relations, and her impactextends far beyond business, as
we are going to hear, and she'sparticularly involved with young
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people and shaping their livesthrough the Muggsy Bogues Family
Foundation, the Junior Leagueand a myriad of community
engagement initiatives.
Brittany's career journeyexemplifies what it means to be
ungovernable, creatingopportunities, challenging norms
and uplifting others along theway.
Let's dive in and welcomeBrittany.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I'm so excited to be here.
Brittany, I am excited to justhave this conversation with you
because we go way back to earlycollege days, but can you help
our listeners understand alittle bit more about your
career path and what took youfrom corporate to sports to
founding your own PR firm twiceand what inspired you to step
(02:13):
off the corporate track andcreate your own venture?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Sure.
So I didn't even know the worldof PR and event planning
existed really as a full-timeprofession until I was a junior
in college and I was able to geta really great internship with
the Rust Power Morning Show.
So as a nationally syndicatedradio station, I was able to see
all different departmentspublic relations, marketing,
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sponsorship, event planning andI mean, I fell in love from
there.
So I changed my major at Wakeand graduated and was able to
secure a job in PR working withFloyd Mayweather, and it was
just an incredible opportunity.
I didn't really know anythingabout boxing at the time, so I
learned a lot about boxing andlearned a lot about PR and also
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about how to be a business owner.
So I then launched my firstcompany, which was a great
experience, but one that Ididn't succeed in that business,
and so after closing it, Istarted working at nonprofits,
and that was such a greatopportunity because I learned a
lot about how to be a betterleader, but also how to
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fundraise.
Not all event planners andpublicists know how to fundraise
, and so it was a really uniquehard skill that I love adding to
my service base.
And then, after switching toanother nonprofit and seeing how
the leader was running theorganization.
I knew that it wouldn't be afit for me.
So that was about almost sevenyears ago when I decided to take
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the leap and start my secondventure, which is Vogue's Group.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Thank you for just your candor around starting the
challenges that you faced andthen choosing to get back into
it, and how that skill mobilitywent with you to the second
launch.
And it's been incredible towatch your journey, especially
because I know you as a personare so kind and when I think of
PR, pr kind of has a reputationof being really cutthroat, a
little hardcore, and so I'mcurious about how you kind of
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balance being your authenticself while also carving out your
own space in this kind of roughand tumble industry.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's so funny that you said that I met with another
founder yesterday and he justautomatically assumed like
public relations was immediatelylike crisis communications.
And no, it's not like.
Crisis is a part ofcommunication, but it's not your
main mode, unless you're onlyfocusing on crisis communication
.
So to your point, it does havelike sometimes an interesting
(04:44):
connotation for the profession,but I found that as long as I am
presenting my authentic selfand I work with clients that are
aligned and they focus oncommunity, they respect what we
do, as long as we're producinglike results, I haven't found
that like kindness, has you knowreally.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Brittany, or you know , hampered anything, but I will
say that it's something thateasily can be taken as a
weakness.
But I took a strength finderstest and positivity is one of my
strengths and so I've reallylearned to actually lean into it
and it's been it's.
It actually works better for me.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'm not surprised at all that positivity is in your
top five.
You're so, you're like, you'rejust like a ball of sunshine.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So and I love the positivity as well, and as
someone who spent many years inthe PR agency world in New York
and Chicago, more kindness andpositivity goes a long way,
because that world can becutthroat.
But what I love about whatyou're talking about too, is
like you have you bring your ownperson to that role into your
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business.
And I will also just say one ofthe things I also love is there
aren't there are just notenough women of color, black and
brown women who are at the sortof like the highest levels
within public relations, and weneed more.
So I just love, I loveeverything about this story.
I want to pivot a little bitand ask you about your family
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foundation and your personalphilanthropy, because it's
really clear that you have adeep alignment between your
business but also your personal,like your sort of your mission
orientation, particularlyworking with young people.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat and why is?
And, more importantly, sort ofthe why behind that, like why
young people, and just talkabout sort of how you came to
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think about philanthropy butalso working with young people.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Sure.
So, yes, young people aredefinitely important.
I will say, like my specificfocus area is like domestic
violence survivors and also theunhoused.
But when I moved back toCharlotte from DC, the main
reason I did that was my dad andI wanted to relaunch our family
foundation.
My father lived in, I mean,severe poverty.
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He was shot when he was five,like he overcame a lot of
obstacles to get where he wasand so his whole thing is too
much is given, much is required,and so it really spearheaded
our focus to launch the MuggsyBogues Family Foundation, which
really focused on the family asa whole.
We focused on food and securityand solving that issue, as well
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as workforce development,because if a family has a strong
workforce behind them as wellas stable food coming in,
there's amazing heights thatthey can reach and stability.
And so that's what our passionis filling in the gaps,
providing the basic necessities,because at the common level we
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all deserve the basicnecessities, but it also makes a
really big difference.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Brittany, I'm going to pivot into more of your work
around personal brand impact.
I've been a personalbeneficiary of many of the women
in corporate and entrepreneurleadership programs that you run
.
You've partnered on and helpingpeople tell their story,
c-suite and beyond.
Can you share a little bit ofyour perspective on what it
(08:18):
means to be unconventional whenyou're building a personal brand
and what that means to you?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Of course, I feel like when people are building
their personal brand, theysometimes try to mimic other
people.
And, yes, there is somethingyou can gain from looking at
people that you admire andseeing skill sets that sets you
from other people and then leaninto that to build your personal
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brand.
Because what I've found is thatwhen you try to pretend to be
one thing online and then you'reanother way in person, it is
not positive for your brand, itdoes not create alignment and
people will notice.
And people not only will notice, but they won't be able to
trust you.
And all about personal brandingit's about building credibility
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, and being your authentic selfis how you do that, and in a
conventional way.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I love that, brittany , and we have a lot of our
listeners are women who areearly to mid-career, and so I
wonder if you could just givesome specific examples of you.
Just I want to dive just alittle bit deeper of so what
does it look like when someoneis doing this well, right, when
you talk about building thiskind of unconventional,
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authentic personal brand?
Maybe a few examples.
And then I'd love to hear theopposite of when you like common
mistakes that you see whenpeople are trying to, because
it's a lot of times it feelslike trial and error for people
who are not experts and so loveto start with.
Maybe like what are those fewthings that when it's going well
(10:04):
, when you're doing it well,what does that look like?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Sure.
So I would say, like when it'sgoing well and doing well,
everything's aligned and peoplewill notice out in public or in
other spaces that you aresticking to whatever pillars
that you've kind of come up withas your mode of brand.
So, like, for instance, one ofmy dear friends, she really
focuses on uplifting youngpeople.
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So she created a 20 under 20award because she knew that was
a demographic that wasn't beinglike touched, but was true to
her personal brand, because sheloves educating and helping
younger members grow into theirown.
Also, she's really strict onmaking sure that she's always
seen in her brand colors andwhether it's online, her filters
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have the same colors, but alsoin person she's always wearing
her brand colors.
So what's happened to her is,when she goes out, people may
not know her name, but they doknow her brand or they know
about her, and they alwayscorrelate that teal color with
her.
So to me that means she's doingit well, because they have a
little idea of who she is andare leaning in to learn more.
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What doesn't do well is ifyou're posting a lot of content
about I'm having $10,000 days,but then you're also working at
another side hustle.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So no money.
You shouldn't be holding moneystacks on Instagram.
You don't want us to hold moneystacks Flashing all the jewelry
.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
We shouldn't be doing that.
No, that's a no, Brittany, no.
Tell the people, Brittany.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Tell the people there's definitely a time and
place to talk metrics and tovisually show your results.
I definitely think there's atime and place.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I love how tactful you are about that.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I love it Visually show your results.
I'm just not sure like that isthat.
And so, like you want yourbrand whether it's your personal
brand, but also it does lendinto your professional brand,
that it aligns, and so peopleare really able to see the true
you and also feel like they cantrust you.
Because I mean, in order foryou to turn it to the conversion
side of it, people have totrust you at the end of the day,
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and that's how you build thatfoundation with your personal
brand.
That is so good.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I love that.
So it's about building trust.
It's about showing up in a veryconsistent manner around sort
of whatever that thing is thatyou are passionate about, that
you want to be known for.
And then what I'm also hearingis visually matching how you
want to show up so that you canbe in aligning sort of the
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visual, what people see and whatthey're hearing from you, and
being consistent in that Is thatkind of a decent summary.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That was a beautiful summary.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And then, on the flip side, leave the stack, the
tacky stacks of money at home.
You know, don't?
You know, don't like.
Think about everything that youdo, what you know, in all
seriousness, everything you doshould be brand, should be
aligned to your brand, and so,being mindful of you know,
whatever, while it may be funand kind of cute, the question
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is, is it aligned with who Iwant, how I want people to see
me?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Exactly, and you have to think about the end user at
the end of this, like who?
Is your ideal targetdemographic.
Maybe funny and silly does workfor your demographic, but you
know.
But do it with thought in mind,intention in mind and really
thinking about who is your enduser.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's good.
So no scamming, no money stands.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I love that and so.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I'll be adding that to my content strategy for the
rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
No scamming, tiffany, tiffany, tiffany, no scamming.
And Tiffany knows that, likeI'm addicted to scammer podcasts
though, I will just tell you soif scamming happens, I will
very much be listening to thatpodcast episode.
If there's a scammer out there,I will listen to it.
So we're not encouraging it.
(14:02):
I'm just saying that when itbecomes a Netflix special or a
true crime podcast, I willdownload and listen to that.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's how I am with true crime.
I am obsessed.
It scares my boyfriend a lothonestly, we can totally be
friends.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Brittany, I did not know you were into true crime.
We're going to have to talkabout this.
Obsessed, obsessed.
I love it, I love it, I love it.
Tiffany, bring us back, we'regoing off track.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I'm going to bring us back, brittany.
I think a lot of times on thepod we talk to our guests about
themes like work-lifeintegration.
I don't think work-life balanceis realistic.
Regardless of what your lifepie kind of looks like, I know
you are always traveling.
It's not uncommon for me to say, hey, brittany, do you want to
come to this event?
And you're like I'm going to bein Greece and then I'm like,
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okay, I'll try again next time.
But I would love for you tojust share for our listeners
what's your perspective onwork-life integration and how do
you create space forinteresting, really impactful
work?
You mentioned being partneredand then doing things for your
family and also having fun.
I see your workout videos.
How do you create space for allof that without getting burned
out?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So I'm reading this book that I'm obsessed with it's
Atomic Habits and I really havetried to implement some of the
strategies in there to havework-life integration Because,
to your point, as a smallbusiness owner, entrepreneur,
like it is impossible to havelike work-life balance.
So I do a thing called habitstacking, time blocking, and I
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really try to feed into myselfbefore I start my day.
So, for instance, I usuallystart my day around like 4.30, 5
o'clock in the morning.
Wait what?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Hang on what, what time?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
do you start your day in the?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
morning 4.30 or 5 o'clock in the morning and I
like to kick it off with aworkout because I know a workout
will get my brain and my bodyin a week.
Then I get my macho, I showerand I really put myself together
.
So then I feel good.
When you look good, you feelgood, amen.
So then I feel good, you know,when you look good, you feel
good.
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And then after that I try tofree my brain.
So whether it's reading thenews to help me with something
later for a client just doingsomething to jog that, then I
officially start my day.
I only do meetings on certaindays of the week.
So I literally try to create asmuch consistency because I know
there's a lot ofinconsistencies.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That's so good.
I was tracking with you oneverything but the matcha.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I love all of that, except for the 430.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Except for that, I can't.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
No, oh, okay, that was your thing, Okay.
So I love matcha.
I love matcha, but it's a nofor me at 430.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's a no.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I feel like you have so much more time left in the
day when you wake up that early.
You do, you do, you do, and I'man early riser, just not a 4.30
riser.
But you know what I love?
But what I love about whatyou're saying too, is you have a
disciplined approach to yourday in order to not only
maximize it but to take care ofyourself.
And I think you know, noteveryone's a 430.
Some people are five, somepeople are six, but what I'm
hearing you say is like you putinto yourself first, and then
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you kind of get your mindsetready and then you're sort of
launching into the day, and Ithink that's a tremendous set of
habits to have, whether you'rean entrepreneur or not.
So I really love that.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah, plus one on the James Clear book recommendation
too.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Thank you, and I agree, discipline is really the
name of the game.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
We'll definitely drop Atomic Habits in the show notes
for our listeners, because itis a great read.
Whether you're an entrepreneur,a career girly, whatever you're
doing, I'm down for the AtomicHabits, but not the matcha.
But down for the atomic habitsor the 430.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Like I feel like I can still have an atomic habit I
love that book too withoutbeing up at 430.
So Brittany's.
Like you don't want to beimpossible, I know we are
impossible, brittany.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well you aren't.
I will say the cool thing aboutthis I think the overarching
thing is self-awareness, becauselike to be self-aware if you
know you do your best work atnight, like structure your days
to that.
So it's like you said earlier,it's discipline, but it's also
self-awareness, Like if you knowthat's not going to work for
you.
Don't set yourself up forsomething that's not going to
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work for you.
This is a fact, Facts.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, facts.
I love that.
So, brittany.
So what is one?
I love the energy you bring andit's clear that you, I think,
as Tiffany said, you bringsunshine everywhere you go.
What's one bold decision youmade in the past, or most recent
past, that seemed risky at thetime but has paid off
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significantly now that youreflect on it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Starting Bokes Group, starting my company, was, and I
say, risky.
It was risky.
I had all the lessons I learnedfrom my first experience and I
knew that setting up automationsystems, standard operating
procedures was a must in thisnext business.
But I also realized I could notwork for this woman that I was
working for, like it was notfeeding my spirit, it was not
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anything, it was not conducivefor anything positive.
So I literally put in my twoweeks notice.
Didn't have a client yet, butit all kind of came together.
Didn't have a client yet, butit all kind of came together.
Once I did build my businessplan, filed for my LLC, got my
EIN, dunn's number, all thosefun things that you do.
It all really kind of came intoplace because I had the
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knowledge from the first time.
And they say, fail fast andfail often, and that's what I
had to do.
But it was a scary move to make.
But almost seven years laterit's been the best decision of
my life.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yes, love it.
You are so inspiring to mebecause it's like I want to
highlight too.
You were like you know whatthis work situation is?
Not it for me, it's not healthyfor me, it's not moving me
forward.
I'm going to do somethingdifferent, and it takes courage
to do that different and ittakes courage to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It really does.
And I think it's worth it tomaybe pull that threat just a
minute, because we hear from alot of women who are in just
toxic work situations.
They've got a ton of talent,they are thinking they want to
go out on their own but that thefear of the loss of the regular
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paycheck and being afraid tobet on oneself is really
overwhelming.
And I wonder for that womanthat's out there who is in a
situation that she knows is notworking and she does want to.
She wants to step out on faith,but she's afraid.
I'm wondering, if you just talka little bit about you know,
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one did you, were you afraid?
But two, how you know how tomanage that kind of fear when
you're making these bigdecisions that you know like
could not work out.
I love your fail, fast fail,you know early and often, but
how do you deal with, how do youdeal with fear?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, I will definitely say faith has really
helped me with my fear, but alsobetting on myself.
I recently spoke with a woman Iwas writing a publication and
she was a game changer and herstory, I mean it, inspired me so
much because, to your point,she was in a position where she
knew she didn't want to be there, but she also wanted to be
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really methodical.
So she met with a financialplanner and literally mapped out
okay, I know I can't leaveright now, but when can I
actually leave?
And it was 36 months.
36 months was her magic numberbut she literally stayed to the
plan, started saving and she wasable to leave and start her own
company and now she's stilldoing it.
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It's an interior designbusiness and she really focused
on betting on herself and alsoknowing that there's something
better for her.
And with the plan you canachieve anything.
It doesn't always have to befast or quick, but as long as
you have a plan and you're doinga little step each day to get
there, it's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I love that, brittany , one of my favorite things to
say is commit and then figure itout.
So commit and get that plan andthen start working the plan one
step at a time.
One other question before wedive into some really fun stuff,
which is I want to just ask youa little bit about just the
industry of public relationsitself changing a lot.
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I think AI is literallychanging everything.
You know, I can tell you as amarketer, I certainly see that,
and so I'm just curious one yourthoughts on just the future for
the industry overall.
And then what do you see?
How do you see women inparticular continue to shape the
public relations industry?
Just some thoughts on theindustry overall.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Sure, I mean, I feel like, if nothing else, we have
learned from the pandemic andmore, that, like, women are
leaders and women can makethings happen, and so I just
feel like there definitely justneeds to be more opportunity for
women, especially BIPOC women,to see growth in the
communication space.
I feel like we're oftenover-mentored and underfunded,
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so I feel like it's a mixture ofthings.
It's creating spaces foropportunity and networking, but
it also has to do with actualpolicy and just making more
access available.
To answer that question.
And then I think you mentionedsomething else yeah, just the
industry.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Where's public relations?
I mean, I know it's a big, widefield, but just your thoughts
overall?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, so I embrace technology.
I always love like if I can domy job better, more efficiently
and more creatively.
I'm always going to lean intothat because my clients deserve
that.
I will say that I use AI fromtime to time, but I also know
that nothing will replace therelationships that you make, the
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key writing skills that you'vedeveloped.
So I just say, use everythingas a tool, but always also
incorporate your own trueability and talent into all the
things you're doing.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Oh, I love that, I love that.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I was shaking my tambourine when you said women
are over-mentored andunderfunded, because I am
constantly screaming into thevoid about how true that is
across every industry sector,for all businesses, and it's
deeply troubling.
But I'm going to keep uspositive.
Okay, and Brittany, we're goingto head into the next section
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of the pod.
We do a lightning round.
That, I think, is really fun,sometimes a little unhinged, but
we're going to ask just acouple of questions of you,
don't overthink it.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Don't scare her, Tiffany.
You're scaring her.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Don't overthink it, just say the first thing that
comes to your mind.
Okay, first question what is amotto or phrase that defines
your personality or mindset?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Love the life you live, live the life you love.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
We love that, love the life you live, live the life
you love.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
We love that, love it .
Speaker 1 (25:13):
So we recently renamed the pod to be called
Ungovernable Women.
And so what does ungovernablemean to you?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
The first thing that definitely comes to my mind is
just someone that's going afterwhat they want.
They're not going to be told no, and if they are told no,
that's just a no.
Not yet it's not a no.
So I feel like it's someonethat will figure it out away
Nice.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Okay, what is a secret?
Unpopular opinion that you hold?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I love this one.
I love this one.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Literally, I did a viral.
I will.
It went viral but I did a tweetabout.
I love reality TV,unfortunately, and Real
Housewives of OC.
There's a character, tamara,who I was like oh my gosh, it's
an unpopular opinion, but Ireally think she's a mean girl
and, honestly, my tweet wentviral because, in fact, it might
be a popular opinion.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Honestly, my tweet went viral because in fact, it
might be a popular opinion.
Okay, I'm gonna have to watch.
I'm not familiar.
One time I went viral because Itold the Twitter streets that I
don't like Doritos and peoplewere very upset about this.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
The internet is so we don't have enough time to talk
about the unhinged hive mind ofthe internet, because I too have
gone viral for all the wrongreasons, making a seemingly
innocent remark and literallygetting flamed for days on end.
I am still like it was aboutkids, about not making kids eat,
(26:49):
eat all their food.
And when I tell you parenting,twitter is a hellscape and you
know, we may even need to cutthis because I don't want to go
viral again before making liketalking about parent, how
unhinged, crazy parents onTwitter are.
But so we'll just you know what.
Sorry, because we're livingviral traumas and that's not
(27:11):
really the point of this, but isthere one book that you find
yourself recommending or gifting?
We're trying to pull ourselvestogether.
You know what?
Tiffany is right, we do getunhinged by this part of the pod
and it's not by design, but itjust tends to happen.
(27:33):
Is there a book that you findyourself gifting or recommending
repeatedly?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Oh my gosh.
Yes, the Four Agreements.
I'm obsessed with that book.
It changed my life and I try mybest to live by the Four
Agreements.
I'm not always living by them,but I try my best to live by
them.
Yeah, it's my favorite book.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I love it, tiffany.
Take us in.
Take us in before we do moredamage, all right.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Last question, Brittany what is the best
purchase under 150 bucks you'veever made?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Under $150?
Let's see.
Probably my, oh, my gosh.
Of course, my portable charger,my, you know, like the portable
phone charger, phone bank, itis everything.
My phone is constantly dyingbut that saves me the most.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I love it.
Thank you, B.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
We'll have to get the very specific brand that you
use so we can share it in ourupcoming store, Brittany Bogues.
Thank you so much for yourwisdom and time.
It has been such a delight andcan't wait to continue to follow
you.
We'll post all your socials andwe just we love having amazing,
(28:49):
beautiful women like you, andthanks for having some fun with
us as well.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yes, thank you for saying yes.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I had such a great time and, tiffany, I'm so proud
of you.
I inspired all the time, sothank you.
Thank you, you're the best Band great to meet you, portia,
you're a gem.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Thanks for listening to Ungovernable Women.
Our producer and editor isMegan King.
Our social media manager isDestiny Eicher.
Be sure to rate, review andsubscribe to our show on Apple
Podcasts, spotify or whereveryou listen to your pods.
Your ratings help otherlisteners find us.
You can follow and DM us onInstagram at ungovernablexwomen,
(29:30):
and TikTok atungovernablexwomen.
See you next time.
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