21. Cybersecurity for the Road Warrior

What do Mormon Crickets have to do with cybersecurity? TBD. Meanwhile, here are some crucial protections you need to have in place before you leave for that next business trip or family vacation.

Episode Transcript

Justin (00:16):
Welcome everybody to episode 21 of unhacked. Today,
we're gonna talk aboutcybersecurity for the road
warrior. Do, do any of you guysconsider yourselves to be road
warriors?

Bryan (00:27):
Well, the past little bit, maybe. I've been traveling
a while in the past couplemonths. Couple of years. Yeah.

Justin (00:33):
Yeah. It's it's been

Mario (00:34):
Especially now My wife wants to go on a quarterly
vacation. I'm like, oh, I'm notdoing that.

Justin (00:41):
I've got a friend that travels. He's a salesman, and he
would travel almost every week.He was on a plane going
somewhere. Yeah. That's that'sreally not what I had in mind
when I, you know, kinda titledthis episode, but, that compared
to most people, but definitelynot on that scale.

(01:03):
But anyways, so the the thingis, though, bad things can
happen when you travel, and Imean, bad things can happen no
matter what. But when you'reaway from home, man, shit can
hit the fan pretty fast. So,that's what I wanted to talk
about today. I've had some of myown experiences on this front.
I've read about other people,and then it's just, you know,
just like we always talk about,we wanna help people out.

(01:25):
So here we go. Let's go aheadand do some quick introductions.
Brian, tell everybody who youare, what you're all about, and,
you gotta throw your slogan inthere because you always do. And
then, Mario, go ahead and takeover.

Bryan (01:37):
Yeah. Brian Lachpoe with b four Networks, providing
computer and, technical supportto people all throughout the
Southern Ontario. And, what Ilike to say is that we help
clients, get 1% better everysingle day, with regards to
their technology. So it's notjust about technology, but, you

(01:57):
know, just improving theirbusiness, primarily using
technology.

Justin (02:02):
Alright. Mario?

Mario (02:05):
Mario, Zacche, with MasTec IT. We are located, in
North Jersey right right out ofside, Manhattan, about 15 miles
away. We've been in business for20 years. And, you know, just
like these guys, you know,cybersecurity, and we help our
clients get 2% better.

Justin (02:28):
Yes.

Bryan (02:30):
Oh, no.

Justin (02:31):
Well, you know, I can just go for 3% and kick all
y'all's asses. Right?

Bryan (02:35):
Good luck with that.

Justin (02:37):
Oh, that was brilliant, Mario. Well played. Well played.
See, I I had a smart ass butwasn't near as good because I
was just gonna ask if if youhave KPIs and ways to track
this, Brian. Because it's a it'sa pretty cool claim, but, like,
can you back it up with numbers?

Bryan (02:52):
Oh, so it's not there's not, like, an actual 1%
improvement. It's just the idea.It's continuous improvement,
obviously. Listen.

Justin (02:59):
It wasn't a serious question.

Bryan (03:00):
No. I know.

Justin (03:04):
He goes right into explaining, though. Listen,
Brian. We're all being smartasses. This is what happens when
you guys get me out of bed at4:45 in the morning. So What are
you

Bryan (03:12):
talking about? It's almost 10. No.

Justin (03:15):
For you guys on the other side of the world.
Alright. I'm Justin Shelley.

Mario (03:19):
Keep busting your chops until you shave the Well hair
off.

Justin (03:23):
You you and and grow some facial hair. Doctor.
Shelley. My turn. My turn.
My turn. It's my turn for anintro. Justin Shelley, CEO of
Phoenix IT Advisors. I almostwent back to the old company
name. I almost said I'm fromMaster Computing.
Those are days gone by. PhoenixIT Advisors, We do work in the
Dallas Fort Worth Metro as wellas Northern Nevada. And, listen.

(03:45):
I'm a greedy bastard, so I'vegot my eyes on other areas as
well. Probably expanding intoIdaho and Utah here in the next,
who knows, number of weeks,months, or years.
I say a lot of stuff. We'll seehow much of it actually happens,
but that is the plan. Like,pinky and the brain, I'm always
trying to figure out how to takeover the world. And, you know,
on a more serious note, Ichecked the mail on the way home

(04:09):
last night and, just just threwit on the site, you know, on the
dash or whatever. And then thismorning as I was coming in to
record, I just kinda flippedthrough it.
And I saw 2 postcards that saidsomething I don't have them in
front of me, so I can't quote itexactly, but something about,
you know, that this isauthorized legal communication,
whatever whatever, about a classaction lawsuit. And again, I

(04:30):
don't remember the name of thecompany. I wouldn't say it if I
did, but some health careorganization of some sort had a
cybersecurity incident, andyou've got some attorney out
there just, like, handing outcandy. Like, you know, here,
take this, take this. Money foryou.
Money for you. Money for you.And so, like, it it just kinda
drove home. Here's the thing. Ilove technology.

(04:51):
I've said that before. I lovebusiness. I I always say that's
my number 1. But goddamn it. Idon't love cybersecurity.
I don't. I don't love that thisis what we have to do. We don't
do this podcast because we sitaround and think, god. This is
the funnest game ever to fightRussian hackers. But I'll tell
you what.
I don't want my client's name onthat postcard. Right? I don't
want my, you know, peoplegetting a postcard saying, hey.

(05:13):
Phoenix IT's client is beingsued, and here's how to get
money from them. So that it itbecomes a passion.
My passion is more aboutprotecting people. I want my
audience or, you know, thisaudience to be able to grow
their business and to do it welland, you know, be profitable and
to be able to sleep at night andand not have to worry about
their name being on this nextpostcard that hits my mailbox.

(05:36):
So, that's kind of what we'reall about, what we're doing.
There's a lot of advice, a lotof tools, a lot of money can be
spent, a lot of energy, a lot ofeffort. And and so we really do
wanna just kinda boil that downto the nuts and bolts.
Where can you get the most bangfor your buck? So on that note,
today, we are gonna talk about,like I already said, what we can
do to protect ourselves when wehit the road. Most people travel

(06:00):
to some extent, some people morethan others. The the story
that's always kinda stuck in myhead you guys know who Verne
Harnish is. Right?

Bryan (06:08):
Mhmm.

Justin (06:09):
Business coach, author. Have you you've heard of him,
Mario?

Mario (06:12):
I've heard of him. I I don't know him well.

Bryan (06:15):
Scaling up.

Justin (06:16):
Yeah. Right. He's the book scaling up, the previous
book was Rockefeller Habits.

Bryan (06:21):
Right.

Justin (06:22):
Really good stuff. It's, I I won't get into too many
details there, but, I've I'vedone some of his training. I've
read some of his books and andwhatever. But so the the story
from him was he was do youBrian, have you heard this
story? Do you remember where hewas traveling to?
Okay.

Bryan (06:38):
I I haven't heard it.

Justin (06:39):
He was overseas, and somebody had gotten into his
email or or his admin. I don'tknow. It was emails were going
back and forth between, and itmust have been Verne's email
that was, breached and hisadministrative assistant or or
whoever finance person backhome, and and they were being
either created or intercepted.Long story short, he was, hit

(07:05):
for $400,000. And to myknowledge, I don't think he got
that money back.
And so what hap you know, thehigh level story, he's he's
overseas, and and somebody'semailing his admin saying, hey.
You know, I've got thistransaction that needs to
happen. I know I'm out of town.I won't be able to respond
quickly, but I need you to takecare of this. Anyways and and

(07:26):
she did.
The money was wired. It's gone.$400,000, happened while he was
traveling. And so that's kind ofit was like, you know, it can
happen at any time, but most ofthese stories that I hear do
happen when there's some versionof travel because now the
person, usually the the CEO, thehigher up who authorizes these
things isn't physically in theoffice to make those decisions

(07:49):
or to confirm that, you know,this is really what what has to
happen. So that's that's kindawhy this, was was on my mind.
So let's jump in. We've got 1,2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. It looks
like 9 points that we're gonnatalk about of things that we can
do to prepare for travel. Funfact, one of the most annoying

(08:11):
things about me is I havechecklists for everything. Right
on my phone, I have checklistsfor travel when I'm going
overseas, you know,international or if I'm going
local.
I actually have differentchecklists for those. Those have
been built not, because I'msmart, but because I've fucked
up a lot. So that's how I buildmy checklist is how to not screw

(08:32):
this up one more time. Let's goahead and jump in. The the first
point I've got on here iswireless, and that's just, one
word, no details.
So I'm gonna punt this over toyou, Brian. I think you you
first mentioned it. So tell me alittle bit about, what you
wanted to talk about wherewireless networking is cons

(08:52):
concerned.

Bryan (08:54):
Yeah. So, a lot of us will be connecting to wireless
networks when we are out andabout, especially when we're
traveling. I mean, it happenseven when you're not traveling.
So this this this, sort ofadvice flows regardless of
whether you're, you know, goingon a long vacation and or just,
you know, at your local coffeeshop type of thing. So the the

(09:17):
the rule of thumb is when youare connecting to any public Wi
Fi hotspot or anything likethat, a couple couple things you
can do to protect yourself.
And one is just making sure thatthe network you're connecting to
is a legitimate network, andthat the way that you log into
it is the way that it's intendedbecause anybody who knows
anything about IT can spin uptheir own, wireless network and

(09:41):
and pretend or and or use thesame name. And so, having the
the understanding how theconnection works and whether you
have to log in, whether you haveto, you know, put your room
number in and or your last name,things like that will help
understand whether you'reconnected to the right network.
If you connect to it and itdoesn't do those things, then
you kinda know. And regardlessof what happens once you're

(10:04):
connected to those wirelessnetworks, if it's not something
that you have control over orthat you know 100% is secure,
you should never be doing anykind of sensitive activities.
You shouldn't be doing any kindof banking, any kind of
sensitive work for for yourworkplace.
Preferably, if you can, if youhave a VPN connection and you're
gonna do work, you can VPN intoyour office or or work using a

(10:26):
VPN connection. That would bemore secure. And if you're just
browsing the web, just make sureevery site you visit has, the s
at the end of HTTP just so thatway you know that there's a
secure connection. It doesn'tmean that it's always 100%
secure because there are somevery clever people who can
intercept and, and do thingslike that. So, the rule of thumb

(10:47):
is if you don't have to do, youknow, banking or any kind of
sensitive material sensitivethings on your laptop while
connected to an untrustednetwork, then don't do it.
Your personal Wi Fi hotspot isalways a better option if you're
going to be, doing somethinglike that. So, yeah,

Mario (11:05):
just think before

Justin (11:06):
you connect Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say the personal
the, hotspot. Sometimes thoughyou get into airports or you get
into places like Home Depot, forexample. I think they have,
like, signal jammers all over.
I don't know.

Bryan (11:18):
Yeah.

Justin (11:18):
You cannot use your Internet inside of a Home Depot
for whatever reason. So you dohave to use their network and
and, yeah, that does get alittle bit dicey. Mario?

Mario (11:27):
Guys a question? Yeah. Well, speaking of VPNs, have you
guys ever used because Ihaven't. I don't I I kinda doubt
it really is what it advertised.Have you ever used those VPNs,
like, NordVPN or, like, the onesthat you hear on the radio?
Like, oh, you know, you connect,you know, always use a VPN and,
you know, for $10 a year, youknow, you can purchase the

(11:51):
software and stuff like that.Have you guys ever used any of
those?

Bryan (11:54):
Yep. Yeah. They were.

Mario (11:56):
Any good? They were

Justin (11:57):
Yeah.

Bryan (11:57):
It takes your data, encrypts it through, through the
the the network. A lot of peoplewill use those to be able to,
you know, get the, for example,the Canadian Netflix in the US
or the Australian Netflix in the

Justin (12:08):
US. Right?

Bryan (12:09):
Like, they'll they're using them to to, you know, make
their presence as if they'recoming from a different country.
And a lot of times, they'll dothat. But they do they do
protect you from any kind of,anybody spying it because the
essentially, the head to trafficgets encrypted from the time
that with a pre encrypted keyfrom the time that you connect

(12:29):
to the Internet all the way tothe other end. Right? So anybody
who's looking in to the trafficwon't be able to do much with
it.

Mario (12:36):
Yeah. I'm just very, you know, suspicious about where
that traffic gets routedthrough.

Justin (12:41):
And I use it. They take their they take your data and
encrypt it. Like, what do theydo before they encrypt it?

Bryan (12:45):
Yeah. I I would just you encrypt it on your phone and
then or Okay.

Justin (12:49):
Well, I would I would just put the disclaimer out
there because you say youencrypt it. But do you know, if
this product is free or cheapRight. Think twice.

Bryan (12:58):
At the end of the day, you've got like, I don't know
much about, like, thosespecific, like, Nord Nord, for
example. I I don't like usingbrand names personally, but,
just, yeah, do your researchbefore you do it. Talk to a
professional. They'll do theresearch if they're if they're
making a professionalrecommendation, and Spend

Justin (13:15):
money on it.

Bryan (13:16):
Again, if it's free.

Justin (13:17):
If it's super cheap. If it's free, you are the product.
So, and the other thing I wasgonna say is this is a little
bit technical, what we'retalking about right now. A lot
of today will be. So, you know,I'm gonna put myself out there.
I assume it's, I'm I'm okayspeaking for you 2 as well. You
know, our contact information ison unhacked.live. Jump on there
and schedule an appointment withus. If you don't wanna do
anything other than talk aboutone of these points, go ahead.

(13:39):
Hit us up.
We're we're all gonna talk toyou about this stuff. No strings
attached. So, Mario, did youhave anything else you wanted to
say about wireless?

Mario (13:48):
No. I mean, Ryan did a pretty good job covering it. I
mean Yep. Essentially, you know,like, I know when I travel with,
like, family, like, we'dliterally walk into the room and
my daughter and my son is likethey take out their iPad or
their phone, like, you know,their phone and they're like,
dad, what's the WiFi? Yeah.

(14:09):
Because they don't have the withtheir like, they have our old
phones, they don't actually havelike Oh. You know. So we don't,
you know, essentially, it's asmall iPad. So like that, what's
the Wi Fi? What's the Wi Fi?
Connect me to the Wi Fi. Yeah.You know, and if you don't need
the WiFi, like, if you'retraveling overseas, usually
they're like 3 you know, you'reon connecting to like 3 g or

Justin (14:32):
I think it's 1 g or 0 g most of the time.

Mario (14:36):
You know, if you connect to their Wi Fi, you know, just
like Brian said, you know, limitwhat you're really doing. You
know, you don't need to youdon't need to check your bank
account while you're, you know,in the Caribbean, you know,
unless you're

Justin (14:49):
Okay. So

Mario (14:50):
I'm so over there.

Justin (14:51):
Hold on right there, and I'm gonna tell you a story, that
this was not part of my prepthat just kind of so a year ago,
I went to, my brother wascelebrating an anniversary, and
and we went to Jamaica. Nowyears years before that, I had
set up with my provider, my,cell phone provider, automatic

(15:11):
international plans. I don't Idon't even know what it's
called. But basically, when itdetected that you were outside
of your country, it wouldswitch, you know, kick on the
$10 a day so that you hadinternational stuff. Right?
Yeah. Well, they didn't. And Igot overseas or I keep saying
overseas, whatever. I got intoJamaica, and I'm my phone was a
brick. I couldn't do anythingwith it.
And by the way, I was in themiddle of trying to sell my

(15:34):
house. I was in the middle of adivorce. Like, I had stuff that
I had to do online. And now I'vegot a phone because we're saying
use your own Internet, yourhotspot versus public Wi Fi, and
that wasn't an option for me.This was a case of poor
planning.
When I say I have checklistbecause I've screwed things up,

(15:54):
this is one of those cases whereI built, or at least added to my
checklist because of thisparticular trip. I didn't plan
ahead. I didn't think thingsthrough. It was just a really
shitty time of my life. So, Iwas in survival mode.
But, man, that's that is theworst thing because that's when
they'll get you the most.Fortunately, I didn't have any
kind of an incident other than Iwas completely unable to take

(16:15):
care of business back home thatdesperately needed my attention.
So, yeah, I mean, if nothingelse, make sure that you can
connect and you can do thosethings. You're saying don't do
banking. Don't do this otherstuff.
Absolutely take care of. Right.No. Absolutely. Take care of
that before you hit the road.
Yeah. But then if you do, you'vegotta be super careful. And and
I put myself in a really badsituation. So, I don't even have

(16:39):
advice for that other than itwas just a bad situation. Make
sure that you've got businesstaken care of before you go.
And if not, have a way and havemaybe a backup plan on how
you're gonna handle that becauseI had new I had none of that.
So, that was my lesson learned.Alright. So enough about
wireless. Let's go on to socialmedia.
And I think, Brian, you seemed alittle passionate about that one
this morning when we wereprepping. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

(17:02):
start with you again here.

Bryan (17:03):
Yeah. Sure. So, I always laugh because, I I I'm married
to someone who loves to post onsocial media. Loves that.

Justin (17:12):
Not true. I never see her posting on social media.
Never. Never. Never.

Bryan (17:15):
And it's great because she shares a lot, and a lot of
people, you know, connect withher, because of all the things
that she shares. But with thatsaid, when you go on vacation,
the last thing you should bedoing is telling people you go
you're going on vacation becauseit's a big giant, you know,
advertising sign saying, hey,I'm gonna be away from my house.
Come rob me. Right? And so,fortunately, we even when we go

(17:37):
on vacation or go on on ontrips, we have people coming in
and out of our home all thetime.
So 247. So food for thought. Youknow, there's nothing in my
house, but, you know, andthere's always somebody there.
But with that said, you know,the Bad guys

Justin (17:51):
don't look behind the curtain. That's what Yeah.

Mario (17:53):
Exactly. Don't forget, your neighbors have guns.

Bryan (17:55):
My that's right.

Justin (17:56):
Yeah. You mentioned that.

Bryan (17:57):
I wasn't gonna mention that on the podcast, but I'm not

Justin (17:59):
too too little in the way

Bryan (18:00):
you like.

Mario (18:00):
So that's far.

Bryan (18:03):
So with that said, you know, the majority of us don't
have somebody coming in and outof our homes all day long, you
know, throughout the weeks andand when we're on vacation. So
if you're saying, hey, I'm onvacation, then you're posting
pictures of you on vacationthroughout the entire time, it
is really a big giantadvertising saying, you know,
hey, nobody's home right now.You're free to come to my house
and take whatever you wantbecause I won't know for another

(18:25):
week after I get back. Right?And so the rule of thumb is
never like, keep keep the post.
Keep all the things you're gonnasay and all the things you
wanna, like, pictures andeverything, and post them when
you get back. Right? Don't goputting a big giant billboard
out, because it will draw peoplein. And if you can, while you're
away, you can even just toss,like, a little bit of automation
in in your house, like, youknow, have lights come on or

(18:46):
have people come over, you know,even if it's just to pull out of
the driveway and and and pullout just to, like, add a little
bit of activity there. But thebig biggest part is just don't
post about it in advance.

Justin (18:59):
Okay.

Mario (19:00):
Alright. Or why you're there. Yeah. Or why you're
there. Like, the, you know, stopsending pictures of the family.

Bryan (19:07):
That's right.

Mario (19:07):
On vacation, you know, because then they know, oh, oh,
look.

Bryan (19:11):
I I remember there was once upon a I don't know if it
still exists, but there was awebsite called something about,
like, come rob me.com orsomething. I can't remember if
that was it. And what it woulddo is it would aggregate like,
this is prior to Facebook andeverything, washing things down,
but it would it would go intoFacebook and it would aggregate
everybody who is, you know,posting things about being away
from home. And it wouldbasically draw it on a map, and

(19:32):
it would show their house and belike, you know, because they
they they would, use pictures,and and people back then were
posting pictures with,

Justin (19:39):
the embedded

Bryan (19:40):
geotags. Right? And so it'd be like, okay. Well, this
is where the person lives, youknow, and and and if you wanna
go rob them, they're away tillFriday. And it was it wasn't
intended as, like, a a realthing.
It was intended to drawattention to the fact that you
really ought to be doing thisstuff, but it was really
freaking cool, that somebody wasable to create that automation.

Justin (19:59):
And Brian, can I ask a personal question? How much how
much how much money did youmake? I mean, did did you go to
jail? Did you get away withthis? I mean, how did that work
out

Mario (20:10):
for you?

Bryan (20:10):
I wish I had that kind of,

Justin (20:13):
programming

Bryan (20:13):
skills, but no. Unfortunately not.

Justin (20:14):
No. I mean, get to go out and rob people.

Bryan (20:17):
Oh, I see. Yeah.

Justin (20:18):
You you clearly spent some time on the site. So I'm
just wondering.

Bryan (20:20):
No.

Justin (20:23):
Okay. Mario Mario, thoughts on social media?

Mario (20:28):
Yeah. So, things to also remember and I you know, in
preparation for this, I wasactually, reading. Also, when
you do your away message, don'ttell people when you're coming
back. Just say your away and,you know, contact this person
and this person Good point. In,you you know, during that point.

(20:49):
You know? So, don't

Justin (20:50):
mean, like, an autoresponder on your email or
stuff like that? Okay.

Mario (20:53):
Yeah. Yeah. You know, don't say, I I will be out of
the office until June 30th, youknow, because that's essentially
once they, you know, you get aspam or you get an email from
somebody, a phishing, whatever,they'll reply you they're
getting a reply.

Justin (21:09):
Everybody. Yeah. You're letting the bad guys know.
That's a good point. Yeah.
Good point. Yep. I had notthought of that. That's a good
point.

Mario (21:14):
Yeah. I didn't know. I didn't need it until preparing,
and, you know, a littledisclaimer. I did do a little AI
search on

Justin (21:22):
Nice. Nice. Now we're talking.

Mario (21:25):
And it said, you know, don't put a a return date. You
know, just let them know you'reaway. That they don't won't tell
them when you're coming back.

Justin (21:34):
Okay. That's that's actually a really good point. So
Yep. Hope Brand Brand's postingthe link on on the chat. Please
rob me.com.
That's that's a real gainingawareness about over here. We
might have to take, anintermission guys, and, let's
let's see who we can rob. I'llbe back in about 45 minutes.
There's one right

Bryan (21:52):
next story.

Justin (21:55):
Shit. Okay. So moving on, and I'm gonna let you guys
talk for a minute while I gonext door. Locking your
computer. Now this, Brian and,again, I'm I'm starting with all
the ones you brought up.
This one seems kinda dumb. I'mnot gonna lie. Lock your
computer. Like, doesn'teverybody do that?

Bryan (22:11):
Oh my gosh. There there's actually a running gag. If you
look up, like, pound, lock itup, on Twitter, you'll find
pictures or Facebook orLinkedIn, you'll find pictures
of people at conferences, andand then the my favorite is
these are security conferences,and, and there's literally
people walking away from theircomputer unlocked in a a public

(22:33):
area that anybody can walk up toand essentially I mean, they can
literally take it and then runwith the bat and then, like, do
whatever they want. Like, theythey would not be able to stop
them. It's unlocked.
But, yeah, all over the place,people are, leaving their
computers unlocked in in public,in hotels, in, you know, in, in
public lobbies, or even, youknow, walking into a bank and

(22:53):
seeing somebody who's left theirstation with a computer
unlocked. And it's just likeRight?

Justin (22:59):
Okay. So are you familiar with, some colleagues
of ours who went to a aparticular conference at a
particular hotel chain, and thehotel had left a computer
unlocked. And and they got inand and and did some educational
work for the hotel.

Mario (23:17):
Do you

Justin (23:18):
know what I'm talking about?

Bryan (23:19):
I I don't know the story, but I I'm I'm

Justin (23:21):
That they got kicked out of the they can't go back to
that hotel now. Oh, no. I don'tre I don't know all the details.
I heard this from one of theguys who had done it, you know,
a while later, and he's like,I'm not supposed to be here. I
had to have so and so check-infor me because I was just trying
to help out.
I mean, they left their computerlocked, so I was just showing
them what people. So here's thething, guys. Accessing

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somebody's computer network dataor whatever without their
permission is a federal offensein the United States. Like, this
is big time. Don't do it even ifyour intentions are good.
And, I think our friends knowthat now. They probably knew it
before, and they thought theywere being super funny and maybe
they'd had a few beers. I don'tknow. But yeah. Okay.

(24:04):
So I I started off by saying, Ithink everybody locks their
computer, but then I rememberedthat one. So So

Bryan (24:09):
I I have a question for you then. Let's just turn this
around a second. If if you ifyou had planned and prepared in
advance and you knew somebodywas gonna be able to leave their
computer unlocked and you hadprepared a dongle USB key
something, how long how muchtime would you need with that
computer, in order toessentially compromise it if the

(24:30):
computer's unlocked.

Justin (24:31):
3 seconds.

Bryan (24:32):
Right. Like it takes no time at all. They could
literally walk up to it, plug inthe USB key.

Justin (24:37):
And done. Done. And walk away.

Bryan (24:39):
And then walk away.

Justin (24:39):
Especially plug it in back behind where nobody's gonna
see it and walk away, let it doits damage. Yeah. No. You're
right. You're absolutely right.

Bryan (24:45):
So it doesn't take long. Like, people walk away for a few
minutes, and they're like, oh, Iwas just gone for a minute. I
just went to the bathroom. Ijust I just I just went around
the corner. Like, no.
Like, it doesn't take much timeat all at all at all. Like so,
yeah.

Mario (24:57):
Yeah. And we're we're talking about traveling, like,
for work. Like, you know, like,you're going to a conference.
You're going to a convention orsomething. You know, that that's
where a lot of the stuff couldeasily happen.
It's we're not just talkingabout going on vacation.

Justin (25:11):
So while while we're talking about federal crimes,
for fun, it it is really fun atat a conference where somebody
brings their laptop and theyleave it open and unlocked and
they walk away to, especially ifyou know what political party
they are, put the otherpolitical candidate or whatever
as a background on their screen.

Mario (25:33):
Yeah. That's a good one.

Justin (25:35):
Well, you said, well, that was kind of a running
prank, in my Dallas office for awhile where, they would all my
techs would always try to catchsomebody else who didn't lock
their screen and got up and toget a drink or go to the
bathroom or whatever. You'd comeback and your your your desktop
was fucked. I mean, it's like,you shouldn't be doing that, so
we're we're going after you ifyou do. And it was it was

(25:56):
always, you know, we had the Ithink it was it was election
time. So it was Trump versus wasit Biden, I guess?
Because I I don't even know. Idon't get into politics. I
really don't. But, yeah, they'dalways put the other person on
their backgrounds, or orsomething else that would just
piss them off. You know?
Sports teams or Okay. Cool.

Mario (26:17):
Funny story with background. So, long time ago,
somebody got up, left hiscomputer unlocked. I went to it,
took a screenshot of theirdesktop, and then deleted
everything on their desktop.That's before. Made made that
picture makes they made thescreenshot the actual desktop.

Bryan (26:38):
I've done that before.

Mario (26:39):
It's hilarious. So they they

Justin (26:40):
clicking on it.

Mario (26:41):
They're clicking on everything. And when I and I
made the, the taskbar auto autodisappear. So they were clicking
on everything, and they rebootedthe computer, like, 3 times. And
they're they're trying to clickon everything. It was not you
know, they couldn't do it.
And it just looked like like itwas that their desktop. And
Yeah. They finally came up andthey're like, hey. You know, I

(27:04):
don't know what's wrong with mycomputer. Can you take a look at
it?

Bryan (27:07):
You want you want another one, Mario, that you can do to
attack? Because this one willreally throw them off. Do the
exact same thing, but justreverse the image upside down.
And then in the computersettings, reverse the computer
right back. So every time theytry to use a mouse, it's going
in the wrong directions.
Hilarious. Yeah.

Justin (27:25):
Oh my god.

Mario (27:27):
Wow. We're such nerds. Uh-huh.

Justin (27:29):
I know. This this is turning into a way better
episode than I anticipated. Thisisn't fun advice for travelers.
This is how techs fuck with eachother.

Bryan (27:37):
Yeah. Pretty much.

Justin (27:39):
Look behind the scenes, guys. This is this is what
you're paying us to do for realsis we just we just, turn off the
phones and go and screw witheach other. Okay. It's like
April Alright. So our

Bryan (27:50):
office every day if somebody leaves their computer
unlocked.

Justin (27:52):
I I'm telling you. Like, sometimes the hard lessons are
they have to be learned. So Yep.Now yeah. Okay.
Alright. Let's, let's let's moveon. Definitely lock your
computer and especially if Brianor Mario are anywhere in the
vicinity. In my defense, I don'tI'm trying to think. I I can't

(28:13):
say I haven't done.
I act oh, I did this I did thisto my girlfriend. I'm not gonna
lie, because she never locks hercomputer. I just ratted her out.
Luckily, she's sleeping. She'snot watching because we did this
one so early, so she won't watchthis one.
And she I was at her at heroffice and she, you know, her
computer's unlocked. She steppedaway. So I went and put a great
big picture of my ugly faceright on the on her background.

(28:36):
And and she's super shy aboutstuff like that, so she was just
beside herself afraid somebodyelse would see it or, you know,
I I don't know. It was that was,it it's an insight joke.
You had to be there. Nobody elsewill get it, but that was a good
time. I'm just saying that. AndI bet. Just trust me.
Just trust me on that.

Mario (28:56):
So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It would that's the thing. We we
love, you know, we love fuckingwith people.
It's just

Justin (29:03):
Well, we we've gotta find have you ever okay. God.
I'm so off track today. But haveyou ever got, spent time with
health care professionals, like,behind the scenes? I used to fly
air ambulance.
Fun fact about me. I, fixedwing, not helicopter. Everybody
thinks of helicopters. But Iflew fixed wing air ambulance,

(29:23):
and so I spent a lot of timewith the medical crew. And that
is such a horrible job dealingwith constant, you know, injury
and pain and suffering anddeath, and and to stay, like, I
don't know, sane.
Yeah. They they just had thisreally twisted sick sense of
humor. And and it was it wasinteresting. It was fascinating,

(29:45):
and sometimes it was horrifying.That's just a complete tangent
that has nothing to do withtoday's episode.
So I'm gonna try to rein thisback in. But, that was my
opening experience. So okay.Back on track. Backing up your
phone, was that yours, Brian, orMario?
Who who posted that one? Okay.Mario, take it away.

Mario (30:05):
Yeah. So funny story. I wanna say it was like 3 years
ago. We went to Turks andCaicos, and we you know, it was
a really nice vacation. My wifewanted to take a lot of
pictures.
She bought this, like,waterproof case. I think she had

(30:25):
the waterproof case from theyear before, so she brought it
with her. Literally, we gotthere. We took an early flight
in. We checked in at the hotel,but the room wasn't ready.
So we changed and hopped, youknow, one way to the beach. And
literally an hour into the Beingon the resort, she didn't close
the case correctly, and shedropped the water right into the

(30:48):
ocean. And, on there, you know,her computer her phone was
completely, shot. And I toldher, my car well, I guess we
we're gonna have to buy a newphone and restore your backup.
She's like, did you back up myphone?
Like Oh, shit. Why would I backup your phone? It's your phone.

(31:09):
And she didn't she didn't haveanything backed up. You know?
So my the whole point of this isback up your phone, back up your
computer before you go. Becausein the event something happens
your way or something, you wannarest assure, like, alright.
Maybe it will be inconvenientfor a week, but when you get
back, you don't wanna have tosit there and and and have to

(31:31):
restore or figure out what youyou're missing. And she's she's,
you know, she's in the medicalfield, so she has a lot of
medical apps on her on her. Shedoesn't have, like, charts and
stuff like that on there, but,you know, to figure out the
dosages and stuff like that,like, you know, you have to she
she had to reinstall all thatstuff.

(31:51):
And if you know my wife, shedoesn't remember one password
that she has for any app. Youknow?

Justin (31:57):
Well, first, you've gotta remember which apps to
even reinstall. That's that'skinda that can be tricky.

Mario (32:02):
Yeah.

Justin (32:03):
So

Mario (32:04):
Yeah. You're she spent weeks trying to, like, as she's
going, oh, yeah. I don't havethis app. I have to redownload.
And then, oh, what's my login?
And what's this? And, you know,and 2 factor authenticate like,
2 factor when you have to reseta 2 factor authentication or
move it to a new device.

Justin (32:19):
Oh, god. That is a pain in the ass. Oh my god. That's
such a pain in the ass. Yes.
And I I'm gonna see your storyand raise you one because I, and
this was years years ago, but,do not check your bags if the
bag is nothing but a laptop casewith a laptop in it. Turns out
that the airline is not able todeliver those. The, baggage

(32:40):
handlers just take those righthome, and they have no record of
it. And, oh, I'm sorry. We don'tcover electronic devices.
Yeah. Are you sure you evenchecked that, sir? Because we
don't even know that it it's noton I don't know. I checked my
laptop. Dumbest thing I everdid.
Never saw it again. And and whatbrought this to my mind, Mario,
is that, we had a lot of familypictures on this, and they're

(33:03):
gone. We didn't have a backup ofit. They're they're gone. Yeah.
And, you know, luckily today,it's kind of a double edged
sword, but a lot of this stuffis backed up automatically for
us. So if you're using you know,I'm a I'm an Android guy, so on
my phone, all of my images areautomatically sent up to the the
Google Cloud.

Bryan (33:22):
Could be a good thing or a bad.

Justin (33:24):
Well, that's what I was gonna say. For a lot of reasons,
it can be a bad thing. But oneone important thing is that it
we become super complacent whenthis stuff is all done
automatically for us. So, youknow, maybe part of the
checklist is just to make surethat, you know, the stuff that
you need is backed up somewhere.And I don't know.
May maybe maybe some testing isgoing on there.

Bryan (33:45):
I would like to add one thing about backing up, and it
it has more to do if you'retraveling to, what would be
classified as an unsafe country.You probably should not be
bringing any kind of data acrosswith you. Right. So if you're
traveling to, you know,countries that may not have the
same rules, regulations, orprivacy laws that we do, enjoy

(34:05):
here in North America, youprobably should bring a a loaner
phone or a, you know, or evenconsider not bringing your
laptop, because at the end ofthe day, when you bring devices
into a country, you're beholdento their rules and their
regulations, and, they canpretty much do whatever they
want once they got you in there.Right?
So I wouldn't personally bringmy work phone with me if I was

(34:29):
going to one of those places, orI would just format my phone and
and and, you know, restore itwhen I get back to the back to
the office. I know that soundsextreme, but, if you're dealing
with, you know, if you'reworking for an organization like
ours, where we have access toand and potentially access to
hundreds of other networks andall of the proprietary

(34:50):
information that they contain,it becomes a a real risk that,
you know, if somebody were totake my laptop, for example, or
my phone, and nowadays, ofcourse, you know, you can just
use face facial recognition orfingerprints. They they don't
even need your permission to,your or, you know, grab your
password from you. They can justforce you. Right?
And so I don't know. That's justmy opinion. If you're going

(35:11):
somewhere where it's an anunsafe country, just don't Take

Justin (35:15):
a burner phone.

Bryan (35:16):
Yeah. Exactly.

Justin (35:16):
For reals, get a get a prepaid phone. Those aren't
super expensive and travel withthat. That's not a bad idea.

Mario (35:22):
Yeah. Or an old phone. Like, you know,

Justin (35:23):
I I don't know about you

Mario (35:24):
guys, but when I get a new phone, I never do the trade
in. You know? I'm like, what?You only wanna give me a $100
for it? I'll just keep you know?
Keep keep one of those oldphones, you know, and then
travel laptop. Yeah. Yeah.Right.

Bryan (35:37):
Have a travel laptop that I wipe before leaving and and
has nothing on there when I

Mario (35:40):
get travel wipe. You know? Like, I know the guys try
to tend to travel light, but,you know, the wives are, you
know, feels like they're movingin. But travel light, you know,

Justin (35:50):
if you

Mario (35:50):
don't need the all,

Justin (35:51):
you know,

Mario (35:52):
Your your iPad and your laptop.

Justin (35:55):
That cuts me deep, Mario, because I'm, we've got a
little gender reversal going onin my home. I am the guy that
takes a great big fuckingsuitcase that I can barely
carry. And and people always askme, what the hell do you have in
there? I'm like, I don't know.Just the essentials.
We're only going overnight,Justin. Well, so, I don't know.

(36:16):
I I don't know how I managed tofill that thing up, but I do. I
got a light. So I'm a WhateverI'm offended by your advice to
travel light.
I'm the opposite.

Mario (36:25):
You know, you don't need your phone and your iPad and
your laptop, you know, and thisand, you know

Justin (36:30):
I can make a case for all of this. Goddamn it.

Mario (36:34):
And, like, one thing I do is I will have, like, a travel
wallet. You know? Like, I don'ttake, like, all, like, my normal
wallet. I'll take just, like, 1or 2 credit cards, you know,
maybe my driver's license. Idon't take all everything in
there because you lose yourwallet.
You know? It's it's a pain inthe ass. You know? It's so Okay.

Justin (36:56):
So I I know I'm telling a lot of stories today, but,

Bryan (36:59):
Stories are good.

Justin (37:01):
Hey. Brian, you you're familiar with at least some
version of this story. And ifyou ask around in, what you
know, in at the theseconventions we go to, you'll
hear about 17 different versionsof it. But I did have the
unfortunate eye openingexperience 2 or 3 years back
where I managed to misplace mymy phone. Well, it was taken

(37:27):
from me.
And we're not gonna get into anyof the versions of the stories,
but here's the problem. And thisis my old phone. I just got a
new one, and I haven't decidedhow I'm gonna handle this yet.
But, anybody that's looking onthe video or watching us. So my
the back of my case opens up andthere's my credit card, my debit
card to my business, and mydriver's license.

(37:51):
And this went away. I didn'thave my phone. I didn't have my
ID. I didn't have a credit. Ihad no payment methods.
I had no identification, and Ihad no way to communicate.
That's a really bad day.

Bryan (38:03):
Yeah.

Mario (38:03):
Yeah.

Justin (38:04):
So part of my checklist now is in a separate location,
probably in a separate bag. SoI've got my suitcase. I've got
my phone, which doubles as mywallet. And then I I carry a
backpack, which is where mylaptop goes. And so I'll I'll
put things in differentlocations.
So I've got cash. I've got atleast 2 different credit cards.

(38:24):
And, in addition to my bank cardand Vaxel, my I probably should
start leaving my bank card athome because you just don't need
that when you're traveling. K.Do everything on credit cards.
And then, Yeah. I I wish I had adifferent, like, a backup phone.
Like, you're saying bring in aold one or something where you
can just transfer over to it.Yeah. All my 2 FA was on my

(38:46):
phone that was gone.
So when I tried to log back in,I managed to get another phone,
and I'm not gonna get into allthe details because it's a
really long story. So I getanother phone, but I then I
couldn't get Uber. You know, I'mI'm walking. I couldn't even
call an Uber because I have noapps. I had to walk to the
Verizon store, get a phone, andthen I'm trying to get it all
loaded back up.
I couldn't get into Uber, so Icouldn't call. I had to walk

(39:08):
back to the hotel. I mean, it itwas just an absolute disaster.
So, yeah, carry a backupcommunication device if you can.
And, god, if you can have italready set up with 2 FA, you're
miles ahead.
But then stash your stuff indifferent locations in case
something does get stolen, thenyou have a backup to it. And and
finally, the most importantthing is take two forms of

(39:30):
identification. I couldn't getback on the airplane. I didn't
have my IT ID to get throughsecurity.

Bryan (39:36):
Right.

Justin (39:36):
And now when I travel, part of my checklist is I have
got my my driver's license, andthen in a separate location, I
carry my passport. So thosethose were hard lessons I
learned, once upon a time. Soguys, I when we when we started
up here this morning, I thoughtthis is gonna be pretty quick.
We'll get through it fast, andthen I couldn't stop telling

(39:57):
stories. We still have a few, afew points on here, but I'm just
gonna throw it out to you guys.
What, what do you wanna talkabout? Let's let's try to just
wrap this up pretty quick. Giveme your your best advice off of
the list that we have left. And,Brian, I always go with you
first, so I'm gonna punt thisone to Mario. If if you'll
start, Mario, just take 1 or 2points, make them relatively

(40:19):
quick.
Brian, I'm gonna turn it over toyou, and then we're gonna go
ahead and wrap up today.

Mario (40:24):
Sure. Yeah. I mean, pretty much if you're working
with an IT company, like ourlike us or, you know, another IT
company, let them know you'retraveling, especially if you're
traveling outside the countrybecause they should have in
place, you know, certainsettings, like, you know, 365
cannot be accessed or your emailcannot be accessed, like,

(40:46):
outside the country. And letthem know that you're gonna be
traveling for this period oftime. So, a, if they see, you
know, all of a sudden, like,Brian's laptop logged into, you
know, Haiti in, you know, in inthe Caribbean or somewhere, they
know, like, alright.
That is Brian and that is himtraveling. You know? So we'll

(41:08):
see sometimes, like, theselogins, you know, being trying
to access from an anothercountry, and we're automatically
we have a setting toautomatically block it, lock the
account, and stuff like that.Let them know. So that way, they
they, a, they take off the lockon your account, and, b, that
they know that this if you'relogging in to Spain or logging

(41:28):
in to Italy or something likethat, that they know that it
it's you and that they theythey're they don't have to lock
you out, and then you have to gothrough all the steps of trying
to communicate with them andtrying to get your your account
react.

Justin (41:44):
Yeah. That one's becoming really important as we,
wrap security around the, youknow, Microsoft 365. Man, do you
guys remember the days of theExchange servers on prem? Whole
different world. That thatwasn't surprised

Mario (42:00):
how many people still have that stuff on there.

Justin (42:03):
Well, nobody that I do business with. So currently, I'm
just saying none of my clientsdo. I I know they're out there,
but I I don't currently dealwith them. So, anyways, yeah,
that that one's important. Letyour IT company know what's
going on so that we can removebut, you know, it's called
geofencing.
We we lock you into certainlocations so that if the bad
guys who usually are overseasRight. Start trying to hit your

(42:23):
account. There's no questionsasked. We we shoot first and ask
questions later. It's theaccount locked.
You're out. You can't doanything. And and then we get
alerted, and we can startinvestigating. But that is a
really important safety measurewe have to take now. Yeah.
Alright. Brian?

Bryan (42:39):
Okay.

Mario (42:44):
Not much more than 60.

Bryan (42:46):
Yeah. Oh, no. I I did have one more, and that is, it's
it's it's kind of like peoplemight think it's, like, overly
cautious, overly,

Justin (42:57):
you know,

Bryan (43:01):
I can't think of the word I'm looking for here, like,
conspiracy, but it it's it's areal thing. You really ought not
to be using public chargingcables to charge your laptops,
like maybe your phone but be iteven then you probably should
use your own charging cable andI say that because today, they
can embed electronics directlyinto the little dongle part of
the the plug or into the cable,essentially. So if you find a

(43:23):
cable on the ground or whateverand and and and or you you find,
you know, a charging cable toplug into your laptop, just like
you shouldn't plug in a USB keyinto your laptop, you shouldn't
be plugging in charging cablesthat you don't if it especially
if they're USB, not a regular,you know, charging cable, but a
USB one, the USB c. If you plugthat into your laptop, it's
essentially could act as akeyboard and or a USB thumb

(43:45):
drive, and it could upload, andor type, things into your
computer when you're notlooking. And and they can
access, like, access themremotely.
Like, you they could besomebody, like, you know,
standing 10 feet away and theycan see you use that cable, plug
it in all of a sudden, you know,when your back is turned,
they're they're injecting textor whatever into your into your
computer, and it would literallytake seconds. So just don't use,

(44:07):
charging cables that you don'tpersonally know and trust. And,
yeah, that's it.

Mario (44:13):
Yeah. Public charging. There's there's tons of YouTube
videos about, like, these peoplethat will show you, like, you
plug into a public chargingstation and then you'll see what
happens. It's like your yourcomputer. I'm sorry.
Your phone ends up being, youknow, mirrored or, you know,
you'll have, like, spyware onthere and stuff like that. It's

(44:34):
actually it's actually verypopular.

Justin (44:36):
Well, and one of the countermeasures for that is that
you can buy USB cables, chargingcables that block data.

Bryan (44:42):
Correct.

Justin (44:43):
That only pass through the the charging Yep.
Electricity and block all data,you know, communications. So,
not a bad idea to have one ofthose. And I mean, airports is
like your biggest place where atleast where I find that, you
know, because I spend a lot oftime at airports, and I'm bored
out of my mind, and I don'twanna use public Wi Fi, so then
I fire up my hotspot, and then Ikill my phone, and then I gotta

(45:04):
find a place to charge it. And,oh, shit.
I I left my, my charging brick.You know, the charger head,
whatever you wanna call it, isin my suitcase that I checked.
You know, so you get into thesesituations where it's like, I've
I've gotta do this, and I've gotlimited resources, and you start
doing things that you wouldn'totherwise do or you you know you
shouldn't do, but, you know,desperation. And damn it. That's

(45:26):
where they get you.
So planning ahead. Checklist,guys. Checklist. I'm telling you
as a as a pilot, former pilot,checklists are key.

Mario (45:36):
Yeah. My problem too is I'll I'll have, like, a
checklist, but I'll I'll try togo through all that checklist,
like, the night before. Youknow, I'm like, you know, we're
leaving Saturday morning. I'mtrying to do everything at,
like, Friday at 10 o'clock. And,you know, I still wanna go sleep
early because we have to wake upat 4 o'clock in the morning, and
I rush it, try to plan ahead,travel light, and, you know, be

(45:58):
secure.

Justin (45:59):
Yeah. I run through those checklist early because,
yeah, you're right. Last minute,checklist if if you can't do
something that's on yourchecklist, like, go out and buy
a safe charging cable. A littlebit too late. Exactly.

Mario (46:11):
Yeah. Exactly.

Justin (46:13):
Alright. Alright, guys. Listen. We're 45 minutes into
this episode that I thoughtwould last about 20 minutes. So
although I've had a great timetelling stories, I think it's
time to say goodbye.
You guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna goaround the room one more time,
and this is just kind of aclosing arguments, a sign off,

(46:33):
a, a goodbye or whatever, andthen and then we'll wrap. So,
Brian, back to you for the firstone.

Bryan (46:40):
Yeah. Just, we're just closing off. Right? Like, we're

Justin (46:45):
Yeah. Yeah. We're Yeah. Okay. Good.
This is this is a goodbye, andsee you next week. Final
thoughts. Key takeaway.

Bryan (46:51):
Yeah.

Justin (46:51):
Most important thing they need to remember. You know?
Because 45 minutes, let's boilit down into 15 seconds. That's
Alright.

Bryan (46:56):
Well, my key takeaway is always just, when it comes to
cybersecurity, when it comes toeverything, to do with IT, just
go look at it as a journey. Lookat it as a it's not gonna be you
can't do everything all at once.So just, take take one chunk at
a time and and and chew it andand, just improve every single
day. And, yeah, that's that'sall I can I can say? Just just

(47:21):
work towards improvingeverything.
Learn, always be learning, andalways be improving. Me too.
Signing off, Brian.

Mario (47:31):
So I'm Mario. Yeah. So, I mean, pretty much like what we
said. Like, you know, if you'reanything like me, when when it's
travel time, you're you're it'sa high stress time for me, you
know, making sure everything isdone and, you know, everything
is secure. I've clean turned onthe alarm, and I've done you
know, turned on the lights, andI've packed this, and I've

(47:52):
packed that.
It's already stressful. Youknow? So you wanna the last
thing you wanna do is come backto a disaster, a cyber breach,
or, you know, your yourassistant now thought, you know,
she can wire some, you know,people, like, all this money
because they knew you're away.Just prepare, you know, try to

(48:13):
get everything in line beforeyou go, before you travel. Make
sure your computer is up todate.
You know, antivirus, all thatstuff is secure before you go.
So that way, you can relievesome of that stress before you
go and enjoy enjoy your trip.

Justin (48:30):
Alright. And and my last piece of advice is try not to
get robbed when you're out oftown because getting on an
airplane when you don't have anID really sucks. In fact, it
can't I I guess it can be done,but I didn't know that at the
time. Had to rent a car and anddrive home. Anyways, guys,
checklist, checklist, checklist.
That's, that's kinda my signoff. I that's how I do it.

(48:51):
Brian, I love your 1% better.And the way I do that is
through, repeatable processes.

Bryan (48:57):
Yeah.

Justin (48:57):
So I do the same thing every time the same way. It
annoys the shit out of peoplearound me, but I haven't
forgotten anything when I travelfor a very long time. So and and
make sure that security is atleast on your mind when you're
traveling and and take pick pick1 or 2 of these things. If you
can't do them all, just justpick a couple things where, you

(49:17):
can you can make that smallimprovement. So that's what I've
got guys.
Next week, we are going to talkabout how to keep Mormon
crickets out of your garden. AndI'm looking for advice. I don't
have any there. Are you guysfamiliar with Mormon crickets?
No.
God, this here's another storythat I shouldn't be telling,
but, these little motherfuckers,they're monsters. I think
they're, like, dinosaurs.They're they're probably, and

(49:40):
I'm not kidding, 2 plus incheslong. Brian, that's at least 5
centimeters. These these thingsI don't really know the con I
know it's 2.54, but I'm notgonna do the math in my head.
But these things are beasts, andthey invade by the 1,000,000. In
fact, I've got pictures of themjust coming down our road
covering the road. The roadlooks like it's moving. We

(50:00):
planted our garden this week,And listen, I've got a lot of
stuff going on, a lot of stress,a lot of problems. And then we
planted our garden on Tuesdaynight.
And Wednesday morning, we wokeup to, crickets just eating the
entire thing.

Bryan (50:14):
Oh my god.

Justin (50:15):
And then I jumped on a meeting and I snapped at Brian,
and I had to apologize laterbecause I was just like, it was
for whatever reason, that was mytipping point, and I just lost
my shit. I hate Mormon cricketsso bad. I don't know why I

Mario (50:27):
told you. I'm looking at these pictures. I mean, these
things are like

Justin (50:31):
They're they're beasts. And look up Northern Nevada
because that's where they're atright now. It they make headline
news. They just destroyeverything in their path. It is
an absolute nightmare.
They take over your house. They,like, climb the walls. Oh my
god. It's it's disgusting. Okay.
So on that happy note, guys,we're gonna wrap up. We're not
really gonna talk about Mormoncrickets next week, probably,

(50:52):
except I will bitch about them.And and I don't even have our
topic for next week, so I'mlooking for, feedback if you
guys have any. Hit us up onLinkedIn or not LinkedIn,
Facebook. We've got a a Facebookpage there where you can chat
with us.
Go to unhacked dot live. All ofour social media links are
there. Schedule an appointment.Just guys, if if you just

(51:13):
seriously wanna talk about anyof the points that we've
discussed on any of thesepodcast episodes, we're all
willing to do that. No stringsattached.
So, we always have the offer ofthe free assessment. We have
free consultations. We reallyyes. We all wanna grow our
businesses. We wanna make money.
This is not philanthropy, but wedo genuinely want to help people
out. So that is my sign off onhacked dot live. We will see you

(51:35):
guys next week. Brian, Mario,thanks for joining us. See you
guys.
Thank you. Bye, guys.