August 7, 2025 • 66 mins
You can have everything looking polished, and still be battling an unhealthy relationship with money.
Michelle Tascoe is a seasoned Financial & Life Coach based in Los Angeles, guiding clients through both the mechanics of money and the inner work essential for lasting abundance
She’s built one of the longest-standing coaching practices where she has worked with very successful individuals to change their stories. Michelle lives what she teaches, transforming her own past, to reclaiming financial stability, and creating a life rooted in freedom and purpose that she now shows others how to have.
We discuss
- The emotional undercurrents of wealth—why everyone’s inner money story shapes what they earn, keep, and believe.
- Feeling behind or unprepared? You’re not failing. You’re human. Changing the inner story changes everything.
- The place to start to shift from financial survival to healthy, sustainable abundance.
Michelle shares a profoundly vulnerable journey and she proves your tomorrow can be different from your today, especially when you pair practical strategy with spiritual healing. If you’re here, you’re meant to be here. Listen in. The answers you need for a fulfilling, abundant life are already within you.
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Welcome, welcome.
Leader, happy Thursday.
If you're listening to us onThursday, we go live every
Thursday.
And today we have a very specialtreat.
We have a great friend of mine,Michelle Tasco, with us here
today.
And when you talk about wealth,talk about trusting, talking
about healing and reallyovercoming some really great
challenges.
(01:15):
Well, I think challenges wouldbe a great word to describe that
in life, in business, in wealth.
Michelle is a beautiful exampleof really what is possible when
you really are focused andreally lead with love and light
when it comes to looking at yourwealth story.
And Michelle has been featuredon She has appeared on Dr.
(01:39):
Phil as well as the ChelseaHandler Show.
And she's also been a financialguest expert featured in Vandy
Fair and has been a contributingauthor through the Science of
Getting Rich for Women book,which, you know, Carol and I
always love talking about theneuroscience of wealth.
And what I love about Michelle,and I've been able to experience
this firsthand as a good friendof hers, has been attending some
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of her financial workshop thatshe did a few years ago when we
got to do Mastering Leadershiptogether, is that Michelle's
approach is very hands-on andpractical.
She tailors her coaching to theparticular needs of the clients
that she works with.
And she has had an opportunityto work with people.
And I know a lot of women acrossnot just the US, but also in
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Canada and I think some placeseven globally.
What?
Canada?
What?
Yes, Canada.
We're on the map too.
And just Michelle always meetsyou where you're at and is such
a beautiful cheerleader in yourcorner, in your court.
You know, I think sometimes withmoney and sometimes our money
stories and sometimes our pastwith money, there's sometimes a
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lot of shame, right?
There's a lot of feeling aroundmaybe some financial decisions
that were made or, you know,there's a lot of emotion, right?
And especially, you know, evenas look at the neuroscience,
there's a lot of emotion that isconnected a lot of times with
our money, our identity and ourstories and a lot of shame
sometimes around that.
And I know that Michelle worksso much with so many people,
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whether or not they areovercoming debt and creating
that financial freedom orthey've created financial
freedom and then they want toget to that next level so they
don't find themselves constantlyin that same cycle.
So Michelle, we're so excited tohave you here today to dive in
to some of the things thatyou've uncovered on your own
journey and just to really standfor our listeners and be able to
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create that that wealth from aspace of love and light and be
empowered by the financialdecisions that they get to make.
So welcome, Michelle.
We're so happy to have you here.
SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
Thank you so much, Alex.
I'm really happy to be here.
And yes, this area is near anddear to my heart because when I
even think about where Istarted, I had four credit cards
and collections and my car wasrepossessed.
And so even though everythingcan look good on paper, it
doesn't necessarily mean thatyou have a healthy relationship
with money.
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I believe that our formaleducation just teaches us how to
get a good job because you gotthat piece of paper that you can
hang up on your wall.
But there's this feeling that Ieven really prepared to know
what to do when I get thatpaycheck.
And I think that there's so manytaboo areas around money that we
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wish our parents taught us.
We see other people.
And I think there is thisfeeling that I'm in the dark,
I'm behind.
Comparison comes up a lot.
And there are a lot of peoplethat look like they've got it
together on the outside, butthey really are struggling on
the inside.
And it's one of those, well, ifyou only knew what's really
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happening, you would thinkdifferently.
But that's, you know, a lot oftimes we wear a mask to protect
ourselves and to self-preserve.
But When you are so vulnerableand transparent with your
finances, there's a place ofauthenticity and really
surrender that will help you touncover what really is possible
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so that you can stand on solidground and both feel confident
as well as be confident withyour finances.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
That's beautiful.
It's so powerful, right?
When you start to look at thesethings through a different lens
and, you know, be able to havethat kind of confidence.
And you spoke into what do we dowhen we get that paycheck?
What do we do when the moneystarts flowing in?
What does that relationship looklike?
(05:40):
And I think that's a reallycritical principle.
Our relationship with money is areflection of our relationships
with ourselves.
And it sounds like you speakdirectly into that very much.
So when you're approaching thiswith people, you know, where's
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the area that you start infirst?
Like, what do you take themthrough first to help them start
to progress in having what theydesire and using it in a healthy
way?
Or is that even the approach?
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
Yeah, I love that question, Carol, because I think
that oftentimes when you hire afinancial coach, you think,
okay, we're just going to diveright into the numbers and like,
let me just fasten my seatbeltbecause I mean, surely my
numbers are like the worstyou've ever seen.
So I'm just hold my breath andlike, you know, wait for you to
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like, Yeah, just have at me.
And I think we're alreadyentering into a conversation
where naturally we're harder onourselves than other people
would be.
And I certainly have never, everbeen mad or punished any of my
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clients for any of theirdecisions because they didn't
know any better.
And if they knew how to do it,what they needed to do, they'd
be doing it already.
And so that's why they broughtme into the picture.
And my approach is verydifferent because I like to
marry both financial coachingwith life coaching.
And I think in that combination,we're addressing the person
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first.
And so to start with vision,there's a ancient saying that
says, my people perish for lackof vision.
And in that saying, you realizethat if you don't have vision
for what could be possible thenyou'll continue to repeat the
past and what i love toemphasize is that your past is
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not your present nor will it beyour tomorrow and up until now
maybe there's certain thingsthat you've done but we get to
create something in the futurethat's totally brand new that's
totally what you have um feltyou're you're supposed to be or
you get to be or you want to bebut just didn't know how um a
lot of times i work with clientsthat they just know that they
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know that they know and from thebottom of their heart that
they're meant to be amillionaire Obviously, it's not
reflected in their finances, butthey just know that they're
meant for more and that there'ssomething that if they only knew
that secret, that formula, thekeys, that they would actually
be able to open those doorsinstead of feeling like doors
are always shutting in front ofthem.
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And so in that first session onvision, we're focusing on the
2.0 version of life that they'rewanting to create.
And what's so beautiful aboutthat is that someone can wipe
the slate clean and can begin todream again and they can say oh
i've always wanted to do thisand i've always wanted to travel
here and i've always wanted thiskind of home and i wanted to
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drive this car and i wanted todo these hobbies and garden and
have a cabin in the woods andall of that and when you start
to I'd say release the dreamerinside of you, then the question
becomes for personaldevelopment, well, who do you
get to become to be able tofollow through, take action and
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make the best decisions tocreate that beautiful life?
Because when you access that,you're not living life by
default, you're living life bydesign.
And so then you get to designthe life that you know that
you're meant to be living.
And so if you're going to be theperson that designs the life
that you're meant to be living,then who do you get to be both
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in character and values?
Like, okay, I get to be moreorganized.
All right, I can do that.
I get to be more responsible.
I get to be more consistent,more disciplined.
I get to be more proactive, moreintentional.
I actually get to be moregenerous.
And instead of like,constricting everything and
holding everything so tight.
(09:53):
And then we shift the way thatyou think, because another
lovely ancient saying is that weare renewed by the, or
transformed by the renewing ofour minds.
And so that, that recalibrating,that re- replenishing and almost
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like reframing in our thinkingwill then allow us to have a new
set of guidelines of how we makedecisions forward and from a
place of possibility instead offrom a place of hoping not to be
let down.
Because what happens is thatWhen you come from a place of
hoping not to be let down, thenyour, your minimums become your
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maximums.
I'll at least do one sale.
I'll at least, you know, maybeget this thing or that thing, or
maybe I'll at least get paidthis much money.
And so when we shift thatthinking from like scarcity to
abundance, as far as old wavethinking to new wave thinking,
or we shift the thinking fromuncertainty to full certainty
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with a plan or impulsive, likehow many of us have been
impulsive with like, Oh, Well, Ideserve that.
I'm just going to get that.
And then you pay for it laterwith interest on your credit
cards because you were impulsivewith that purchase instead of
being intentional and thoughtout.
And that opens up such an easeand flow with how you shop.
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I had one client, which I loved.
She became Rookie of the Yearfor Laura Gale.
And she's like, Michelle, I havea problem making money.
Money comes and money goes.
Money comes and money goes.
And I said, wait a minute, let'sshift your mindset here.
What if instead of money comesand goes, what if money comes
and grows?
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And it was just such a differentway of thinking.
And you could tell in herinternal processing, it's like,
wait, okay, I never thoughtabout that.
All right, erase, write this newline in.
And then that really shifted herentire trajectory because then
from a money and grows type ofstandpoint, what can I do to buy
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a home?
What can I do to invest?
What can I do to be able tomultiply my money?
And that really just came fromthat little tweak but when you
think about like trajectory ifyou can just shift something uh
like two degrees multiply thatby 15 years you're in a very
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very different place you know inthe
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
It's like the plane course correcting a way to get
there.
And man, you're speaking mylanguage because you talk about
vision.
And then she went right intoidentity, right?
The being and then shifting thethinking.
And I tell you, it was such asimilar process, just said a
little bit differently.
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And The way that you say itthough is so beautiful and
powerful and being able to helppeople to lean in.
One of the things that I like toshare is that poor people often
think about paying bills.
Middle-class people often thinkabout how to obtain good credit
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to buy liabilities or thingsthat really aren't needed,
consumer things.
But the wealthy always thinkabout multiplying.
And when you told her to shiftthat into growing right there,
that's it.
And I love that point of viewtoo.
I think it's really beautiful.
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Just when you get into anairplane, the airplane's not
taking you to point B, just zoomdirectly.
It's making course adjustmentsall along the way so that you
land at point B.
And that's exactly what you'resaying when you shifted that to
grow, right?
It's so beautiful.
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And tell us a little bit aboutyour story, your background.
How'd you get into this?
I
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
was just going to say, I was like, Michelle, I
want to, like, the neuroscienceis like, how did you shift from
that moment, right?
Like really going back to yourbeginning, because I right?
Our subconscious creates thesepatterns and we're going to
repeat them and repeat themuntil obviously there's
interruption.
But I mean, you have like what,where you were and what you were
able to overcome to create thelife that you've now created.
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Like, I mean, I know a lot ofpeople admire that.
I know it's something I admirein you.
It's like, okay.
I mean, ever since we've beenfriends, I've been like, okay, I
want to understand a little bitmore of like what really went
through the the brain and theprocess to really heal the
things that you experience andreally shift from a bit of a, I
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guess, a consumer mindset,right?
Like you had quite a consumermindset and the, you know, the
environment, the socialpressures, right?
Which most of us, I mean, right?
Our environment, societyinfluences a lot of times, a lot
of our, you know,decision-making or buying
decisions.
So really what shifted for youfor those that are thinking okay
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i want that i don't want to justhave it come in and come out i
want it to grow i want it tomultiply i want i want to create
what michelle's created to totake us back to react the
reality of what really got totake take shape because i think
there's also there's acommitment piece that there is
required that happens right andso for those that are listening
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like okay it's possible it'spossible because I know knowing
you, I've seen what you've beenable to create.
So it's possible.
So now my brain can borrow theevidence to know that it's
possible, but now it's tappinginto the belief system and I get
to have that internal shift tonow, as you said, Michelle, like
have those, the way that you'rebeing, how you make your
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decisions, that gets a shifttoo, to now create that new
reality of what I know thatyou've been able to create over
the last, you know, several,well, not several, like many
years now, right?
And the complete shifts that youmade in your life.
SPEAKER_02 (15:54):
So I had my own come to Jesus moment and it was that
I was in a personal developmentseminar.
I was in the front row and thiswoman was saying, I'm going to
teach you the real truth aboutmoney.
I'm going to teach you aboutrelationships, about
communication.
I'm going to teach you aboutsales.
But the first thing I need to dois I need to teach you about
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forgiveness.
And I'm like, what did I sign upfor?
What is this going on?
You know, there's a lot oftenderness in that area because
2005, I sat in that front rowand I had been like, in a
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situation where I had been rapedabout a month and a half prior.
I had tens of thousands ofdollars embezzled from who I
thought was a friend.
I had been manipulated toco-signing on a loan for a car.
I had been in a bad boyfriendrelationship, I think, we've all
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had a bad boyfriend, but thiswas a financial atrocity of a
situation.
Hence everything ending up beingfour credit cards and
collections and car repossessed.
And so it's like, all right,well, I've hit rock bottom.
And so where else can I go fromhere?
And she said, you gotta forgive.
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And I think that there is aconnection between where our
heart really wants to open up,but from lack of forgiveness and
bitterness and resent that weactually build this layer of
protection that actually becomesa prison cell that keeps us
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captive from the abundance thatwe can actually access freely,
actually really access freely.
know i said actually a lot butit's like really really
emphasizing actually and in thati forgave every perpetrator i
forgave um my parents um eventhough i mean they did the best
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they could with what they knewhow i forgave every boyfriend
every so-called friend and theni got to forgive myself and i
actually asked god can youforgive me for like not really
um doing well or you know withwhat i've been given and in that
split moment it was likesomething just lifted and a
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weight was gone and it was likethe slate was wiped clean
because um Biblically,bankruptcy, which is biblical,
allows people to wipe the slateclean after seven years.
And so that didn't necessarilyhappen for me in the moment.
But spiritually, emotionally, inlike how I viewed myself, the
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slate was wiped clean.
And I did not like was neverfrom that point forward ever
hostage to any inner criticcriticism.
conversations of you should havedone this.
And how come you did that?
And they're doing it better.
Like, like all of that noise ortraffic, it was gone.
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And then I could actually hearmyself and I could actually hear
God, which is said to be thestill small voice.
And what I love what you said,Carol, is that, you know, God is
a God of multiplication, whereaspeople, we look at things in
addition and subtraction.
Let me give and take, give andtake.
But he says, you know, Imultiply.
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I've got abundance.
And what the enemy, which islike the enemy of our soul,
comes to kill, seek, anddestroy, but The Lord came to
give us life and lifeabundantly.
And you can take that in manydifferent forms, but that was
really the integral point for mebecause anything else beyond
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that was really just aboutskill.
How can I learn something that Ihaven't learned before?
Because I didn't give myself theopportunity or the chance to
actually play on the field.
I watched everybody else spendthe sidelines and discounted
myself.
And so I think that when we comefrom that place of like full
acceptance with where we're atthen we can we're ready if
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there's that saying when thestudent is ready the teacher
appears and that led to so manydifferent uh moments where now
when the teacher is ready thestudents appear and that's
what's happened with me withcoaching wow
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
I love that.
That's beautiful.
I hadn't thought about it interms of the flip side of when
the teacher is ready, thestudents appear.
And so that's particularlyexciting to me right now in this
moment in my life.
And I think that it's somethingwhere Our own preparation and
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the forgiveness piece that is soincredibly powerful.
And you know, that's come to meseveral times recently.
So what that's inviting me to dois take a little deeper journey
there and look a little bitdeeper.
Because quite a few of us havesome form of abandonment or
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rejection story in our lives.
And that type of drama that's,you know, materialized in
different ways.
And it could be something fromlosing a best friend.
It could be, you know, not justa family member.
It could be, you know, not beinga part of an organization
anymore that was important toyou or whatever form this might
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manifest in.
I think that's a key point totake a look at where have I
experienced this pain in my souland where can I release this?
And forgiveness is for all.
us it's not for other peopleit's we like um we don't they
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don't experience it even if wego we say literally the words
and they're living i forgive youthey're not experiencing what
we're experiencing when werelease that so thank you for
sharing that
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
that was powerful but also very deep because i
felt I fell and I, it's funnybecause I had this coaching
session recently with a clienttoo.
And I said the same thing.
I said, the first step is inforgiving yourself.
And yet here's, what's coming tome is like, sometimes
forgiveness is not easy.
So how, how I'm curious to knowhow you navigated it, Michelle,
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because it's like, okay, sure.
Forgive myself.
And yet there's a lot ofresistance around it.
It's almost easier to figure outother people than it is
ourselves.
And so I'm curious how you, howyou navigate it or how do you
help some of your clients that,that may be, find it a little
bit harder than it is to gothrough that.
Because if that's really thestep one, it's so important that
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we're able to really truly gothrough that process.
And perhaps even for you, it wasalso to do with your faith
journey as well in that.
And did you turn to God in thosemoments to support you with that
and be able to release, right?
Because on the other side of theforgiveness is also safety and
our brains wanna keep us safe.
And so- that's a thought that'scoming to me.
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It's like, well, what if on theother side of forgiveness is
also like unfamiliar territory?
We are, we don't know what, wedon't know what it's like to
even feel forgived.
Right.
And so we want to stay here inthis safe moment.
How do we help ourselves and thelistener to be able to go to the
other side of that?
SPEAKER_02 (23:55):
Yeah.
I really love that you'rebringing this up and, you know,
when we seek safety, we seeksafety from things that are
unknown and, And to me, the waythat I look at it is safety
comes from a level of trust.
And so when you can trustyourself that both from just a
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carnal level, meaning like ifyou are in a boat and it
capsizes in the middle of theocean and you fell into the
water, you're not gonna just letyourself drown.
Even though you may not know howto swim, your natural instinct,
because you were designed thatway would flail and gasp for
air.
So you are never willingly aparticipant of your own demise.
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You will want to survive.
And so if that's the case, thenyou know that you can actually
trust yourself at least at thatbase level to breathe and to
grab oxygen and to find a way tostay afloat.
And so then if you could trustyourself there, And then if you
can create intentional factorsof trusting, then you can trust
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yourself and create new evidencethat I trusted myself and it
turned out okay.
Okay, I'm gonna trust myself alittle bit more and that turned
out okay.
Because we do it with everybodywe are surrounded with.
We trust other people more andmore and more.
I recently did an exercise whereI had assessed the people that
I'm friends with in my life andIt came down to, all right, this
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is my circle of trust, my threecore ladies.
This is my circle of sisters,like very close to me.
Then I've got my circle offriends and then the circle of
influence circle at church.
And I started it out that wayonly because when you really
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seek to understand what whatmakes sense to you and how you
operate and how you like to makedecisions and the meaning that
you add to things.
Because at the end of the day,there is no class one-on-one on
Alex or 101 class for Carol.
So through journaling andself-reflection, that's your
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greatest guide.
So whenever you open up a blankbook, it is chocked full of
potential possibilities ofdiscovering who you are and how
you think and what you believeand who you get to become.
And it's really about thejourney of filling it up with
such richness that your lifemanifests that in reality, and
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then you're living what you'vewritten as you, you know,
envisioned it.
And so I think that with a senseof like, oh, do I trust myself?
There's also a little bit offear, but the thinnest line is
between fear and excitementbecause it's just, you're
crossing over this line ofpossibility and we're always
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afraid of things that we'venever done.
But at the same time, when yourealize that there is this
fearlessness inside of you thatyou're getting to know, then you
can be bold, you can becourageous, you can take steps
because all of us fell forwardanyway, unknowingly or
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unconsciously.
So let's just be consciouslyfailing forward and like link
arms and pick each other up andsay, okay, cool, you learned
that, now let's go ahead and dothis.
And so that's what happened forme.
And the forgiveness piece, I'llsay the two part tagging on what
Carol had mentioned you get tobless and release intentionally.
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You can even say, okay, forgiveyou and I bless you and I
release you.
And then for self-forgiveness,there's a point where I think
when you walk and believe inGod, you ask for him to forgive
you just because he knows all,he sees all.
And there's just something from,I'll just call it a heavenly
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perspective when you reallybuild that kind of relationship,
which is just so awesome.
that you can't do no wrong andyou'll you're always encouraged
just like if you've ever becomeyou know a mom or a dad like
there's nothing that your kidscan do wrong you will always
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help them to do better andalways help them to be the best
and to grow and you know we'reno different and um i love that
about bringing in the spiritualand faith because we fail
forward with faith and it'sreally our faithfulness that
allows us to go beyond what weever thought could be possible.
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And there's beauty in that.
And I think that there's alsomiracles in that.
I have had so many clientstories where these are just God
moments that only...
could be because you walk thatline of here in the world, doing
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the math and being competentwith your numbers, but then
walking supernaturally andgoing, wow, this never in a
million years could that havehappened, but the door opened
because of favor.
And then you step into thisfunnel of favor, which I call
it.
And it seems like...
That's a great name.
Yeah.
The funnel of favor.
Yeah.
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That no door...
that you're not meant to gothrough is shut.
You have access to everythingthat you're meant to go through.
I
SPEAKER_00 (29:43):
love that visualization.
I always love visualizing likethe doors and things like that.
So here's what's coming to meright now.
You're standing on the edge.
You're standing on the edge ofyour vision and you see what's
possible, but it's alsouncomfortable.
It's unfamiliar because up untilthis point, it's been a lot of,
you um, a lot, a lot of fear,right?
(30:05):
Like if that's behind you andyou you're given this
opportunity and it'suncomfortable and you, there's
all that unknown, right?
There's a, there's a lot offinancial unknown, right?
Like how, how do you coach intotaking that, trusting yourself
and taking the leap that it'sall going to work out versus,
um, I guess it's kind of likealmost coaching yourself through
(30:28):
like the responsibility piece.
How do you know what is, Iguess, irresponsible in terms of
an action even, right?
Because you're taking that leapof faith with that trust, but
also I'm being responsible andthings like that with decisions
like that.
Sometimes it's like goingthrough like the analytical
piece also with the faith piece.
How do you navigate thosesituations?
SPEAKER_02 (30:47):
Oh, I love that question.
So the way that I would answerit is that you need both.
You need the promise oftomorrow, but you also need the
numbers today.
And why I love to blend both thefinancial coaching with the life
coaching, and I just amspiritually led anyway, is that
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then we can get to the mechanicsbecause the numbers don't lie.
They're neutral.
They give us an understanding ofwhat's happened.
So I go through a methodologywith every client where we
create full visibility.
Because that's, isn't it funnythat we can make so much money
and then we can spend it, but wedon't even remember where it all
went.
And then, but we do know like,where did it all go?
(31:31):
And we do know I actually shouldhave more than what's showing in
my bank account.
But it's not like somebody just,you know, stole that money.
I mean, we willingly, but maybeunconsciously, you know, did the
spending.
And so this is where in thatunpacking, we're seeing 90 days
of transactions, categorizingeverything, adding in the
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one-time year expenses, becausethose hard numbers tell us, all
right, well, this is on averagewhat you're spending on Amazon.
This is what you're spending ongroceries, on top of food
delivery, on top of a mealdelivery, on top of going out to
a restaurant, on top of yourcoffee.
And so- Well, no wonder, youknow, it's all gone because you
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chose to spend.
And so when you come from thatstandpoint, um, which is very,
very different than after thefact accounting, which means
you're looking at your numbersafter you spent it, um, to, um,
how would I call it?
Like come up, um, come up withsome answers of what to do next.
(32:36):
We're using that data and we'resaying, okay, let's just be
intentional moving forward andcreate your budget off of that
or your spending plan.
If you don't like the idea ofbeing in a budget.
And so then when you do that,what's so awesome about having
it be so black and white and soneutral is that you shake the
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numbers out, you add them up andit's either going to be more or
less than what you're making.
And that's it.
And if it's more than whatyou're making, as far as what
you're spending, then we know,hey, for a season until you can
increase income, because theanswer is never, let me just
make more money.
Because the more money that youmake without this process, the
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more money you'll just spend indirect proportion.
And so there's gotta be like arebalancing or like a
recalibrating, like you weresaying with the airplane, like
there is this dashboard wherethe tools on that dashboard are
always recalibrating like thevelocity and like the wind and
(33:37):
the speed and all of that.
And we do the same thing withour finances so much so that you
say, okay, that means I'm gonnatrim a little bit here and trim
a little bit here.
You come up with a trim plan,but the numbers will show once
you shake that plan out thatyou're actually balanced or you
have goal of like 500 leftover,1,000 leftover, 1,500 leftover.
(34:02):
And that married with strategyallows you to pay off debt so
fast because we'll do severaldifferent kinds of methods and
can multiply your money ratherquickly because now you've got a
well-oiled machine that we putin place where the numbers work
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out just like a recipe forcheesecake.
You just follow the recipe andyou get what it is that you want
at the end.
And what I love about that isthen there's ownership in
saying, okay, this is what I'mchoosing to spend.
Nobody is like, telling you, youcan only spend this because
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that's very limiting, right?
And we don't want that.
You have agency to say, okay,I'm choosing to spend here, here
and here, and I'm choosing totrim here, here and here,
because I have the actual datato show me that this is the
reality of what's happening.
Because now I can see, I mean,try like driving down to, the
(35:08):
grocery store in the fog.
You kind of know where it isbecause you've been there
before, but in the fog, you justcan't see anything, right?
So we want clarity andvisibility.
I think the other part of thatis before you make a big
decision, like buying a home oran investment property, you run
your numbers to see, okay, isthis good?
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Is this something that makesfinancial sense?
Because the numbers will showyou that it's, on the margin and
you really have to be super, um,diligent or, um, yeah, it's
perfectly fine.
And you still have got bufferand, you know, it's, it's not a
big deal.
I think that when you get tothat place where it's not so
(35:49):
emotional, you can take theemotions out that there's ease
and flow.
You've created stability.
You've created security.
You've created actualempowerment because now you have
agency to take action onsomething that you had no clue
what was possible.
I think I've helped more than 20clients buy houses and I'm not
even a realtor, but they had themoney all along.
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It was just going in the wrongplaces.
So that makes such a differencein that decision-making because
there is this correlationbetween competence, the higher
competence you have in aparticular area, finances or
your career field, thatcorrelates to the level of
confidence that you have in thatarea as well.
(36:34):
So that's,
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
yeah.
Michelle, I have a question inline with that.
Do you work with a lot of peoplewho have steady jobs or
entrepreneurs where their cashflow may be more uneven?
And how do you approach awell-oiled machine with an
(36:56):
entrepreneur that may not havethe consistency that somebody
receiving a paycheck has?
SPEAKER_02 (37:04):
Yeah, I love that question.
So here's how I'll answer that.
When you are an entrepreneur,you need to understand your cash
flow.
So it's okay to say, well, Idon't think I have the cash
flow, but that's like leaving itfrom a standpoint of no strategy
around your cash flow.
You just see there's holes andthen there's winds.
(37:25):
So it's feast and famine.
But The numbers don't lie.
You know that on average for theyear, there's a conservative
number that you can count on,whether it happens all in one
chunk at the beginning ortrickles, you know, often on
every other month or once aquarter or whatever the case may
be.
So when we clarify that, then weknow, and this is why I like
(37:47):
averages, average coming in andaverage going out.
So at least you know thatcertain things are covered.
And then when you get that cashinjection, I have a system where
I show you,
SPEAKER_03 (37:58):
the
SPEAKER_02 (37:59):
cash injection and your consistent expenses because
that never changes that willsurely always be on a monthly
basis and then how that willimpact your projected balance
for the rest of the year andvisually when you can see those
numbers you know where you'resafe and you know where you're
going red and you know when youneed that next cash injection if
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that's the model of yourbusiness so that you can stay
steady and you can also Giveyourself, hey, I want to start
this year with this much runway.
So that way I won't ever fall inthe red.
Because the hardest thing forentrepreneurs is coming from
that place of desperation whereyou're trying to close a sale
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and people can smell it a mileaway.
People can taste it in the air.
They really can.
Because there's just somethingabout something in your voice
that that like this matters waytoo much to you, and are you
really there to help me and willprovide an answer, or are you
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really just looking for thepaycheck?
And I think that from coachingfor the last 15 years, I coach
anywhere from 800 to a thousandsessions a year, that whoever is
hiring you is hiring you from aplace of extreme trust and
belief that you're the one thatwill take them to the next
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level, whatever the case may bein whatever area of life.
And I personally don't take thatlightly.
And I don't think anyone that'sin that kind of position should.
And to me, it's not about atransactional scenario with the
client.
It's about a relationalscenario.
(39:48):
I want to be there 10 yearslater when you have kids and
then your kids need coaching andwhatnot, because that's actually
been quite fun to do.
I coach sisters, I've coachedhusbands and wives, and it's
quite remarkable.
I think we don't realize from azoomed out version that the gift
(40:11):
that we have of transformationfor our clients.
And I think that sometimes wecan really get in the weeds of,
you know, just making a livinginstead of impacting lives all
around us.
That's my take on that.
SPEAKER_01 (40:29):
That's really beautiful.
I love that.
And also when you were speakingabout, you know, that well-oiled
machine, is it, So you weretalking about getting a handle
on your numbers, which I alsoteach.
I teach that through a principlecalled Pearson's Law.
(40:49):
And what you measure grows, whatyou measure and report grows
exponentially.
And so it's really somethingthat...
How do you help your clients tobe able to produce more?
Because I heard you saying that,like, it's not always about
(41:12):
cutting back.
It's about tracking.
It's about being a greatresource manager.
But also, is it that that iswhat's opening up the space for
people to be able to create morewealth in their lives?
SPEAKER_02 (41:30):
I love that question.
from two angles.
When you think about wealth, youthink about it's about making
more money, but it's actuallynot.
Wealth is about being able tocreate a lifestyle where the
money that you're making isbeing multiplied in some type of
(41:53):
vehicle, whether it be realestate or the stock market or
intellectual property orwhatnot.
where I have a lot of peoplethat I work with who make
multiple six figures, over halfa million, multiple seven
figures,$5 million a year.
And they are not wealthy becausein their own handling of
(42:21):
finances, they're still livingpaycheck to paycheck.
And there's just zeros.
Yeah.
And- it saddens me.
But then it also brings upopportunity to elevate someone
from that money comes and goes,money comes and goes to, I mean,
(42:43):
yeah, to money comes and grows.
And I think in that expansion,here's what I've seen.
Belief, ingenuity, andfaithfulness was starting with
something small and alwaysfocused, focusing on
profitability.
I think that many times we focuson revenue and we can say these
(43:08):
huge numbers, which greatbecause our ego wants to feel,
you know, I did 3 million and Idid, you know, 5 million, but if
your profitability is 11%,that's a
SPEAKER_01 (43:21):
hard way to make
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
it.
$4,000.
And you
SPEAKER_01 (43:24):
get 3 million and you brought in 10,000 profit.
SPEAKER_02 (43:28):
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
But it happens.
It happens more often than not,actually.
And that's where when you cantrust somebody who understands
profitability, then the beautyof that is there is
(43:48):
simplification.
There's ease and flow.
there is shifting the businessmodel and you, I'll say,
simplify it to only the partsthat's working.
So if you think about a businesslike a stoplight, there's green,
(44:09):
yellow, and red.
I also do this methodology withmy time.
It's my stoplight timemanagement methodology.
But really think about yourbusiness with the green being
what are the income producingresults producing activities and
that really should be 90 of yourbusiness then nine percent is
yellow which is like thestandstill just um checking your
(44:32):
emails and things like that andwhen you get to true efficiency
you have somebody else handlingthat for you
SPEAKER_03 (44:39):
yeah
SPEAKER_02 (44:40):
remember i was listening to somebody that um
was saying uh he had visitedrichard branson's blah blah
whatever chalet and and he hashis assistant i don't remember
her name at the moment we'llcall her heidi and heidi has
been with him for so long andheidi goes through all his
emails and does everything andjust brings him like the five
(45:03):
that only he can address so whenyou're working at that level of
efficiency then you're reallydimming down.
What is that yellow time in yourlife?
It can be in your home because Idon't cook anymore.
I don't do laundry.
I don't clean.
I have a house manager.
I mean, it's lovely.
(45:24):
Everything is folded and putaway in my closets and things
like that.
And I get to coach, spend timewith my husband and spend time
with my kids and then go onwalks.
And, you know, cause I live nearthe mountains near Yosemite
national forest and it'sgorgeous outside.
SPEAKER_03 (45:40):
And then
SPEAKER_02 (45:41):
Point nine percent.
So ninety nine and point nine isyour red time.
That's your problem solving.
That's like the stuff where itjust feels like it's a time
suck.
And, you know, we're going incircles, getting frustrated.
Somebody is gossiping aboutsomebody else.
And this is like, get me out ofhere.
You know, activity in yourbusiness.
(46:03):
And I remember I was coaching aclient and he said, I just let
go of 80% of my clients becauseI realized when I looked at my
numbers, 20% of my clients wasbringing in more than 80% of the
revenue.
And now what I've done is I havejust found those 20% clients and
got more of them.
And I'd multiply my businessfrom a million to 3 million to 4
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million and so on.
So much so now that I'm alsolooking for clients that I'm
doing equity shares with.
So now I have a piece of otherpeople's company.
companies not by helping themwith the marketing side but now
I'm in ownership with otherclients that I have in their
business and it's a win-win andI think that um when you look at
(46:46):
it this way because my coach hadshared with me the marginal
utility of money what is theprice that you will pay to make
that next hundred thousand andif that price is too high then
you don't do it that There was ayear where I took seven weeks of
vacation because it didn't makesense to me to still make
another$100,000 and not enjoywhat I was doing.
(47:07):
So we were
SPEAKER_03 (47:07):
in Greece,
SPEAKER_02 (47:08):
Athens, Corfu, Santorini.
We went to Paris.
We were in Israel.
We were in Normandy.
It was lovely.
And then I came back refreshed.
and inspired and wanting to see,you know, what more could be
(47:31):
possible.
So.
That's what I think about that.
SPEAKER_01 (47:35):
And I think that's so powerful.
You address something the waythat I think of it is, am I
doing a lot of the$10 an hourjobs rather than the$10,000 an
hour jobs or$100,000 an hourjobs?
Where am I getting caught in theweeds?
That delegation is so beautifuland important.
(47:58):
And I really particularly lovewhat you shared at the end about
taking the time out to enjoywhat you have we don't know if
we have tomorrow and I'veexperienced this now a few times
and so it's to me a both andvery much a both and in that you
(48:19):
know there is the resourcemanagement and the efficiency
and effectiveness that goes onthere but also um I've
experienced with one clientwhere she was living in such
severe scarcity all the timethat she wasn't ever really able
(48:39):
to enjoy.
And when she began to step outand be able to enjoy a
fulfilling life, her whole worldopened up and it was really
small baby steps.
But I think that's criticalbecause, you know, we're meant
to live abundant, fulfillinglives.
(49:00):
So I appreciate you bringingthat out.
SPEAKER_02 (49:02):
Yeah, I love that, Carol.
Yeah.
And it doesn't have to be justin finances and work.
I take my clients through this10 pillar methodology.
Like what does abundance looklike in your spiritual life?
Does it look like in yourmarriage?
What does it look like in yourhealth?
your home with your friends withfun and so when you can get that
(49:24):
type of clarity and journalthrough it i think i'm on
journal number 42 since 2005.
i was mentioning about writingall of that that um you
literally are designing the lifethat you know you're meant to be
living at a 2.0 level then at a3.0 level and beyond and beyond
i mean we all get to catch upwith the iphone because i think
we're like iphone 16
SPEAKER_03 (49:45):
something wild like
SPEAKER_02 (49:48):
that
SPEAKER_00 (49:49):
Michelle, you shared so much insight with our
listener today.
And I'd love to just recap alittle bit or just share some of
the biggest takeaways or thingsthat you'd invite the listener
to really implement today toreally support them in having
that healing piece and reallybeing able to release that and
forgive and then be open tothat.
Because that was something thatwith you and Carol talked about
(50:10):
is that it's creating thatspace, right?
A lot of times if you've got themask on, if you've got the fear
is running the show, we'reclosed off.
But to really create that spaceto be open to receive and step
into the abundance, right?
Which is very different thanprobably maybe how many have
been operating up until now.
SPEAKER_02 (50:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (50:28):
Well,
SPEAKER_02 (50:29):
I'll say this and I'll get real personal here.
I had an experience last yearwhere I had hope for another
child.
I'm a mom of three kids, twoboys and a girl.
And I just knew in my heart thatI was meant to have one more.
And when I found out that I waspregnant after two miscarriages,
(50:53):
it was like this promise to befulfilled.
And from there, through a seriesof events, we found out that
there is this fatal diagnosis.
And why I'm bringing this up isbecause we all have hopes and
dreams and we all have thingsthat we aspire for.
(51:14):
And whether it's in marriage orbusiness or in our physique or,
you know, wanting to be healthyand whatnot.
But there are other things thatare just not in our control.
But what we do have available tous is how we respond.
(51:36):
And in response to this news, Ihad a choice to terminate and I
had a miscarriage recently.
two miscarriages in the lastthree years.
And I also had an abortion at19.
And being a mom, I realized thatI did not want to not meet this
(51:57):
little baby, which ended upbeing a boy.
And I made a choice to dowhatever it would take to create
the healthiest environment formyself and for my son.
so that I would hope, hope,cross my fingers, actually get
to hold him and meet him, evenif it was for a few minutes.
And I think that we getchallenged with capacity, every
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single one of us, because thelife that we're meant to lead or
the business we're meant to leador the impact we're meant to
lead in the tomorrow, thetomorrow possibility requires us
to be that tomorrow version ofourselves.
And when you can bridge the gapof realizing I get to show up
(52:44):
differently, I can't like, Ican't fall back to old ways.
I can't contract and hide.
I get to live life full out.
And that is a conscious choicewith both surrender and trust
and faith that I won't letmyself fall.
(53:08):
then what opens up for you is abelief and expansion of your
vision of who you are.
And through that expansion, thenyour thinking and your
decision-making and yourcontemplation and reflection of
life, even just as a whole andexistence begins to expand with
(53:29):
you and your trust in somethinggreater than you begins to
expand.
And I think that when we'reunder that type of, um, whether
it's tension, trauma, scrutiny,whatever you want to call it,
challenge that we're faced with,we either can retreat or we can
(53:51):
rise up and you're either goingto sink or you're going to swim,
but you're in the water.
So what are you going to choose?
And through this experience, Ilearned how to trust in, ways
that were physically impossiblein my own human understanding
(54:13):
and for work and for family umeven sharing every truth what
was going on with my at thattime seven-year-old um and not
wanting to protect her and kindof like keep her in the dark and
you know what happened somethingbeautiful she became my biggest
advocate my biggest cheerleaderi give my biggest um And even to
(54:40):
this day encourages me in suchbeautiful ways because she was
able to be brave and strong andjoyful and hopeful.
And I think that in our approachof of attempting to like be all
(55:11):
that we're meant to be, that thecapacity in us has to grow.
And so long story short, or, youknow, fast forward to the end, I
got to meet my son and thenthere was a dive after that
because of the reality of what Ijust experienced.
(55:33):
And in reflection from the firstquarter of this year, I had to
take time to go inward to reallyask myself what is important.
And I don't think that many ofus do that because I think we
live automatically.
I think we get to thesupermarket and then we don't
(55:56):
remember driving there becausewe're living on such
automaticness, if that's a word.
And so this nuance ofintentionality in life who I
engage with, who my friends are,what I'm doing on a daily basis,
where I want to travel, who Iwant to work with really became
so crystal clear.
(56:18):
Yeah.
So much so that I had thisbeautiful experience in Maui
where I began to write.
And Is it okay if I actuallyread this?
Would that be okay?
Just live?
SPEAKER_03 (56:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (56:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We love it, Michelle.
This is just the start.
It's from Lost to Light.
There are moments in life thatsplit us open, moments so
profound that they leave anindouble mark on our souls.
Losing my son, Leo, was one ofthose moments.
It was a grief that lived in mybones, a silence that echoed
(56:56):
through every beat of my heart.
I dreamt of holding him, ofwatching him grow, of whispering
words of love into his tinyears.
But life in its mystery hadother plans.
So this book is not just aboutloss.
It's about what comes after.
It's about honoring the sacredspace between goodbye and hello,
(57:18):
between heartbreak and hope.
In these pages, I invite youinto the most intimate corners
of my journey.
From the depths of sorrow to thefirst spark of light that
whispered, try again.
It's about choosing to believein miracles after mourning,
about opening my heart to thepossibility of life once more.
It's about the courage to dreamof a little girl, Kayani Nala
(57:41):
Hope, whose name carries thebreeze of new beginnings, the
strength of legacy, and thepromise of joy.
This is a story for every womanwho's ever loved fiercely,
grieved deeply, and dared tohope again.
You are not alone.
We walk this road together, handin hand, with tears, with
(58:01):
tenderness, and with anunshakable belief that even
after the storm, the sun alwaysfinds its way back.
Wow.
I share this because I thinkthat we've all suffered loss.
where there was a business thatfailed, a marriage that failed,
a dream that failed, trying fora child that failed.
(58:26):
But I believe that everyentrepreneur, if you are really
an unleashed, unstoppableentrepreneur, that you find the
balance between the heartacheand the heart hope of what could
be tomorrow.
And I think that when you breakthese concepts down, ladies,
(58:50):
that there's this intersectionwhere, yes, there's a
neuroscience, then there's thesupernatural, and then there's
these stories, these testimoniesof people that dare to just push
the boundaries of what could bepossible, but it's seemingly
(59:11):
impossible, and actually canland the plane on the other
side.
And so I just say that to giveanybody who's listening another
go at whatever it is thatthey've always wanted, because
life is not over, and we havemany, many, many tomorrows.
(59:32):
It's just a matter of will wegive ourselves that next
opportunity despite what ouremotions are feeling on the
inside?
And can we give ourselves thatnurturing to be able to be
strong again so that we canstand up and walk, taking steps
forward, kind of shaky, but thenall of a sudden gaining your
(59:53):
ground and then running and theneventually flying to something
that is like stratospheric andout of this world.
So I love looking at that way.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:05):
What you what really landed for me as you're talking
there, Michelle was like, it'spossible.
You know, it's kind of thequestion I was asking.
And even when it talked aboutwith any of what you're hearing
Michelle say today, if you'renoticing a bit of resistance and
what she's sharing and in yourbrain is like, no, that's not
possible.
That's not for me.
I mean, there's somethingleadership where we say 100% is
possible 100% of the time andeven just shorten that it's like
(01:00:26):
it.
is possible.
So you lean into thepossibility, lean into the
vision and you get really clearon what's really important to
you.
I think, as you mentioned,that's what oftentimes is
missing, right?
We're trying to build up avision of what everybody else
thinks of us, but when you getreally quiet and really intimate
with what is really important toyou, what's, you know, it's
possible.
It really is possible.
Our brain's default is to go tothe how and all that.
(01:00:49):
But if you lean into thepossibility, it's funny, Carol
and I, an episode.
We just recorded an episodebefore this episode about
talking a lot about thatactually.
And so it's so funny how allthese things add up.
So we will make sure that we'llhave that link below as well so
that you can go and listen tothat episode and lean into that.
But that's my big takeaway ofwhat you shared today, right?
(01:01:11):
In addition to the trust and thesurrender and the healing piece
and to really forgive yourselfis know that 100% is possible
100% of the time.
It is possible.
It's possible for you, Michelle.
It's possible for you, Carol.
I mean, Michelle, you showed me.
You showed me that it'spossible.
And, you know, sometimes we usethat borrowed authority, right?
And that's okay.
(01:01:32):
But use that as evidence for ourbrains at the neuroscience piece
to know that it is
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:37):
possible
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:38):
for you.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:40):
So thank you, Michelle, so much for being here
today.
You know, I know you're writinga couple of books right now,
right?
So I know we'll have all of yourlinks below in the show notes.
This episode is airing.
I can try and think when youwill.
Do you want to share when if youhave timelines for your books
and then whatever is available,we'll make sure those links are
(01:02:01):
available in the show notes whenyour episode does air.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:04):
Oh, that's so sweet.
Yes.
So I was able to write a chapterabout my experience with my son.
in a book called FaithUnchained.
And that is going to go on saleon Amazon next Friday, June
20th.
So Faith Unchained.
(01:02:26):
And there is another book thatI'm writing from a financial
standpoint called BuildingKingdom Wealth, A Godly Guide to
Becoming Financially Free.
And I just started that project.
I'm going to give myself aboutsix to nine months for
completion.
(01:02:46):
But then from there, we'll alsoannounce when it's launching.
And then what I just read you,it's just starting.
It's like just this tiny seed ofa story.
And to be honest, ladies,because my husband and I are no
matter what happens, have peacearound the outcome.
(01:03:07):
But I know that the words willpenetrate people's hearts and
heal certain hurts and help themto walk the step forward that's
needed so that they can stepinto the life that they have
hoped for and are promisedreally.
(01:03:27):
And so, yeah, those are theprojects that I'm working on.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03:31):
I love it.
I love it.
Alex Lienitz, thank you forcoming on.
And thank you for sharing allyour wisdom and ways that we can
be unleashed and unstoppable.
And your writing is That'sincredible.
I'm still sitting here in tears,very much can relate in my own
(01:03:57):
losses.
And it's something that is atreasure when we're providing
tools like you're providing topeople to live that beautiful
abundant life you know thatwe're meant to have that we're
promised to have and so evenwith in the midst of the pain
(01:04:22):
and the challenges that comealong And to be able to set
those intentions, to have thevision, to believe in it, to
walk in it, to be at that levelof it is beautiful wisdom you
shared.
And I just thank you for
SPEAKER_00 (01:04:42):
being here.
And thanks also to our listenerfor joining us today and tuning
into another episode ofUnleashed Helpful Podcast.
Any final words, Michelle,before we wrap up here today?
SPEAKER_02 (01:04:56):
Don't underestimate your faith, be faithful and be
faithful forward.
And you'll be pleasantlysurprised.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:06):
Wow.
okay we're going to wrap up nowi think we could talk a lot
longer because these are theessences of life the deep things
of life you know the gratitudeand the forgiveness and all of
these fantastic things we havebeen able to talk with you we
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are sending you so much love andwe can't wait to see you next
week and Thank you again,Michelle.
You have been a treasure.
I appreciate it so deeply.
Ciao
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Welcome, welcome.
Leader, happy Thursday.
If you're listening to us onThursday, we go live every
Thursday.
And today we have a very specialtreat.
We have a great friend of mine,Michelle Tasco, with us here
today.
And when you talk about wealth,talk about trusting, talking
about healing and reallyovercoming some really great
challenges.
(01:15):
Well, I think challenges wouldbe a great word to describe that
in life, in business, in wealth.
Michelle is a beautiful exampleof really what is possible when
you really are focused andreally lead with love and light
when it comes to looking at yourwealth story.
And Michelle has been featuredon She has appeared on Dr.
(01:39):
Phil as well as the ChelseaHandler Show.
And she's also been a financialguest expert featured in Vandy
Fair and has been a contributingauthor through the Science of
Getting Rich for Women book,which, you know, Carol and I
always love talking about theneuroscience of wealth.
And what I love about Michelle,and I've been able to experience
this firsthand as a good friendof hers, has been attending some
(01:59):
of her financial workshop thatshe did a few years ago when we
got to do Mastering Leadershiptogether, is that Michelle's
approach is very hands-on andpractical.
She tailors her coaching to theparticular needs of the clients
that she works with.
And she has had an opportunityto work with people.
And I know a lot of women acrossnot just the US, but also in
(02:19):
Canada and I think some placeseven globally.
What?
Canada?
What?
Yes, Canada.
We're on the map too.
And just Michelle always meetsyou where you're at and is such
a beautiful cheerleader in yourcorner, in your court.
You know, I think sometimes withmoney and sometimes our money
stories and sometimes our pastwith money, there's sometimes a
(02:43):
lot of shame, right?
There's a lot of feeling aroundmaybe some financial decisions
that were made or, you know,there's a lot of emotion, right?
And especially, you know, evenas look at the neuroscience,
there's a lot of emotion that isconnected a lot of times with
our money, our identity and ourstories and a lot of shame
sometimes around that.
And I know that Michelle worksso much with so many people,
(03:04):
whether or not they areovercoming debt and creating
that financial freedom orthey've created financial
freedom and then they want toget to that next level so they
don't find themselves constantlyin that same cycle.
So Michelle, we're so excited tohave you here today to dive in
to some of the things thatyou've uncovered on your own
journey and just to really standfor our listeners and be able to
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create that that wealth from aspace of love and light and be
empowered by the financialdecisions that they get to make.
So welcome, Michelle.
We're so happy to have you here.
SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
Thank you so much, Alex.
I'm really happy to be here.
And yes, this area is near anddear to my heart because when I
even think about where Istarted, I had four credit cards
and collections and my car wasrepossessed.
And so even though everythingcan look good on paper, it
doesn't necessarily mean thatyou have a healthy relationship
with money.
(03:58):
I believe that our formaleducation just teaches us how to
get a good job because you gotthat piece of paper that you can
hang up on your wall.
But there's this feeling that Ieven really prepared to know
what to do when I get thatpaycheck.
And I think that there's so manytaboo areas around money that we
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wish our parents taught us.
We see other people.
And I think there is thisfeeling that I'm in the dark,
I'm behind.
Comparison comes up a lot.
And there are a lot of peoplethat look like they've got it
together on the outside, butthey really are struggling on
the inside.
And it's one of those, well, ifyou only knew what's really
(04:45):
happening, you would thinkdifferently.
But that's, you know, a lot oftimes we wear a mask to protect
ourselves and to self-preserve.
But When you are so vulnerableand transparent with your
finances, there's a place ofauthenticity and really
surrender that will help you touncover what really is possible
(05:08):
so that you can stand on solidground and both feel confident
as well as be confident withyour finances.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
That's beautiful.
It's so powerful, right?
When you start to look at thesethings through a different lens
and, you know, be able to havethat kind of confidence.
And you spoke into what do we dowhen we get that paycheck?
What do we do when the moneystarts flowing in?
What does that relationship looklike?
(05:40):
And I think that's a reallycritical principle.
Our relationship with money is areflection of our relationships
with ourselves.
And it sounds like you speakdirectly into that very much.
So when you're approaching thiswith people, you know, where's
(06:01):
the area that you start infirst?
Like, what do you take themthrough first to help them start
to progress in having what theydesire and using it in a healthy
way?
Or is that even the approach?
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
Yeah, I love that question, Carol, because I think
that oftentimes when you hire afinancial coach, you think,
okay, we're just going to diveright into the numbers and like,
let me just fasten my seatbeltbecause I mean, surely my
numbers are like the worstyou've ever seen.
So I'm just hold my breath andlike, you know, wait for you to
(06:39):
like, Yeah, just have at me.
And I think we're alreadyentering into a conversation
where naturally we're harder onourselves than other people
would be.
And I certainly have never, everbeen mad or punished any of my
(07:03):
clients for any of theirdecisions because they didn't
know any better.
And if they knew how to do it,what they needed to do, they'd
be doing it already.
And so that's why they broughtme into the picture.
And my approach is verydifferent because I like to
marry both financial coachingwith life coaching.
And I think in that combination,we're addressing the person
(07:24):
first.
And so to start with vision,there's a ancient saying that
says, my people perish for lackof vision.
And in that saying, you realizethat if you don't have vision
for what could be possible thenyou'll continue to repeat the
past and what i love toemphasize is that your past is
(07:46):
not your present nor will it beyour tomorrow and up until now
maybe there's certain thingsthat you've done but we get to
create something in the futurethat's totally brand new that's
totally what you have um feltyou're you're supposed to be or
you get to be or you want to bebut just didn't know how um a
lot of times i work with clientsthat they just know that they
(08:07):
know that they know and from thebottom of their heart that
they're meant to be amillionaire Obviously, it's not
reflected in their finances, butthey just know that they're
meant for more and that there'ssomething that if they only knew
that secret, that formula, thekeys, that they would actually
be able to open those doorsinstead of feeling like doors
are always shutting in front ofthem.
(08:28):
And so in that first session onvision, we're focusing on the
2.0 version of life that they'rewanting to create.
And what's so beautiful aboutthat is that someone can wipe
the slate clean and can begin todream again and they can say oh
i've always wanted to do thisand i've always wanted to travel
here and i've always wanted thiskind of home and i wanted to
(08:50):
drive this car and i wanted todo these hobbies and garden and
have a cabin in the woods andall of that and when you start
to I'd say release the dreamerinside of you, then the question
becomes for personaldevelopment, well, who do you
get to become to be able tofollow through, take action and
(09:12):
make the best decisions tocreate that beautiful life?
Because when you access that,you're not living life by
default, you're living life bydesign.
And so then you get to designthe life that you know that
you're meant to be living.
And so if you're going to be theperson that designs the life
that you're meant to be living,then who do you get to be both
(09:33):
in character and values?
Like, okay, I get to be moreorganized.
All right, I can do that.
I get to be more responsible.
I get to be more consistent,more disciplined.
I get to be more proactive, moreintentional.
I actually get to be moregenerous.
And instead of like,constricting everything and
holding everything so tight.
(09:53):
And then we shift the way thatyou think, because another
lovely ancient saying is that weare renewed by the, or
transformed by the renewing ofour minds.
And so that, that recalibrating,that re- replenishing and almost
(10:15):
like reframing in our thinkingwill then allow us to have a new
set of guidelines of how we makedecisions forward and from a
place of possibility instead offrom a place of hoping not to be
let down.
Because what happens is thatWhen you come from a place of
hoping not to be let down, thenyour, your minimums become your
(10:38):
maximums.
I'll at least do one sale.
I'll at least, you know, maybeget this thing or that thing, or
maybe I'll at least get paidthis much money.
And so when we shift thatthinking from like scarcity to
abundance, as far as old wavethinking to new wave thinking,
or we shift the thinking fromuncertainty to full certainty
(10:58):
with a plan or impulsive, likehow many of us have been
impulsive with like, Oh, Well, Ideserve that.
I'm just going to get that.
And then you pay for it laterwith interest on your credit
cards because you were impulsivewith that purchase instead of
being intentional and thoughtout.
And that opens up such an easeand flow with how you shop.
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I had one client, which I loved.
She became Rookie of the Yearfor Laura Gale.
And she's like, Michelle, I havea problem making money.
Money comes and money goes.
Money comes and money goes.
And I said, wait a minute, let'sshift your mindset here.
What if instead of money comesand goes, what if money comes
and grows?
(11:41):
And it was just such a differentway of thinking.
And you could tell in herinternal processing, it's like,
wait, okay, I never thoughtabout that.
All right, erase, write this newline in.
And then that really shifted herentire trajectory because then
from a money and grows type ofstandpoint, what can I do to buy
(12:01):
a home?
What can I do to invest?
What can I do to be able tomultiply my money?
And that really just came fromthat little tweak but when you
think about like trajectory ifyou can just shift something uh
like two degrees multiply thatby 15 years you're in a very
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very different place you know inthe
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
It's like the plane course correcting a way to get
there.
And man, you're speaking mylanguage because you talk about
vision.
And then she went right intoidentity, right?
The being and then shifting thethinking.
And I tell you, it was such asimilar process, just said a
little bit differently.
(12:45):
And The way that you say itthough is so beautiful and
powerful and being able to helppeople to lean in.
One of the things that I like toshare is that poor people often
think about paying bills.
Middle-class people often thinkabout how to obtain good credit
(13:05):
to buy liabilities or thingsthat really aren't needed,
consumer things.
But the wealthy always thinkabout multiplying.
And when you told her to shiftthat into growing right there,
that's it.
And I love that point of viewtoo.
I think it's really beautiful.
(13:27):
Just when you get into anairplane, the airplane's not
taking you to point B, just zoomdirectly.
It's making course adjustmentsall along the way so that you
land at point B.
And that's exactly what you'resaying when you shifted that to
grow, right?
It's so beautiful.
(13:49):
And tell us a little bit aboutyour story, your background.
How'd you get into this?
I
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
was just going to say, I was like, Michelle, I
want to, like, the neuroscienceis like, how did you shift from
that moment, right?
Like really going back to yourbeginning, because I right?
Our subconscious creates thesepatterns and we're going to
repeat them and repeat themuntil obviously there's
interruption.
But I mean, you have like what,where you were and what you were
able to overcome to create thelife that you've now created.
(14:18):
Like, I mean, I know a lot ofpeople admire that.
I know it's something I admirein you.
It's like, okay.
I mean, ever since we've beenfriends, I've been like, okay, I
want to understand a little bitmore of like what really went
through the the brain and theprocess to really heal the
things that you experience andreally shift from a bit of a, I
(14:38):
guess, a consumer mindset,right?
Like you had quite a consumermindset and the, you know, the
environment, the socialpressures, right?
Which most of us, I mean, right?
Our environment, societyinfluences a lot of times, a lot
of our, you know,decision-making or buying
decisions.
So really what shifted for youfor those that are thinking okay
(14:59):
i want that i don't want to justhave it come in and come out i
want it to grow i want it tomultiply i want i want to create
what michelle's created to totake us back to react the
reality of what really got totake take shape because i think
there's also there's acommitment piece that there is
required that happens right andso for those that are listening
(15:20):
like okay it's possible it'spossible because I know knowing
you, I've seen what you've beenable to create.
So it's possible.
So now my brain can borrow theevidence to know that it's
possible, but now it's tappinginto the belief system and I get
to have that internal shift tonow, as you said, Michelle, like
have those, the way that you'rebeing, how you make your
(15:41):
decisions, that gets a shifttoo, to now create that new
reality of what I know thatyou've been able to create over
the last, you know, several,well, not several, like many
years now, right?
And the complete shifts that youmade in your life.
SPEAKER_02 (15:54):
So I had my own come to Jesus moment and it was that
I was in a personal developmentseminar.
I was in the front row and thiswoman was saying, I'm going to
teach you the real truth aboutmoney.
I'm going to teach you aboutrelationships, about
communication.
I'm going to teach you aboutsales.
But the first thing I need to dois I need to teach you about
(16:17):
forgiveness.
And I'm like, what did I sign upfor?
What is this going on?
You know, there's a lot oftenderness in that area because
2005, I sat in that front rowand I had been like, in a
(16:45):
situation where I had been rapedabout a month and a half prior.
I had tens of thousands ofdollars embezzled from who I
thought was a friend.
I had been manipulated toco-signing on a loan for a car.
I had been in a bad boyfriendrelationship, I think, we've all
(17:13):
had a bad boyfriend, but thiswas a financial atrocity of a
situation.
Hence everything ending up beingfour credit cards and
collections and car repossessed.
And so it's like, all right,well, I've hit rock bottom.
And so where else can I go fromhere?
And she said, you gotta forgive.
(17:35):
And I think that there is aconnection between where our
heart really wants to open up,but from lack of forgiveness and
bitterness and resent that weactually build this layer of
protection that actually becomesa prison cell that keeps us
(17:58):
captive from the abundance thatwe can actually access freely,
actually really access freely.
know i said actually a lot butit's like really really
emphasizing actually and in thati forgave every perpetrator i
forgave um my parents um eventhough i mean they did the best
(18:24):
they could with what they knewhow i forgave every boyfriend
every so-called friend and theni got to forgive myself and i
actually asked god can youforgive me for like not really
um doing well or you know withwhat i've been given and in that
split moment it was likesomething just lifted and a
(18:46):
weight was gone and it was likethe slate was wiped clean
because um Biblically,bankruptcy, which is biblical,
allows people to wipe the slateclean after seven years.
And so that didn't necessarilyhappen for me in the moment.
But spiritually, emotionally, inlike how I viewed myself, the
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slate was wiped clean.
And I did not like was neverfrom that point forward ever
hostage to any inner criticcriticism.
conversations of you should havedone this.
And how come you did that?
And they're doing it better.
Like, like all of that noise ortraffic, it was gone.
(19:29):
And then I could actually hearmyself and I could actually hear
God, which is said to be thestill small voice.
And what I love what you said,Carol, is that, you know, God is
a God of multiplication, whereaspeople, we look at things in
addition and subtraction.
Let me give and take, give andtake.
But he says, you know, Imultiply.
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I've got abundance.
And what the enemy, which islike the enemy of our soul,
comes to kill, seek, anddestroy, but The Lord came to
give us life and lifeabundantly.
And you can take that in manydifferent forms, but that was
really the integral point for mebecause anything else beyond
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that was really just aboutskill.
How can I learn something that Ihaven't learned before?
Because I didn't give myself theopportunity or the chance to
actually play on the field.
I watched everybody else spendthe sidelines and discounted
myself.
And so I think that when we comefrom that place of like full
acceptance with where we're atthen we can we're ready if
(20:37):
there's that saying when thestudent is ready the teacher
appears and that led to so manydifferent uh moments where now
when the teacher is ready thestudents appear and that's
what's happened with me withcoaching wow
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
I love that.
That's beautiful.
I hadn't thought about it interms of the flip side of when
the teacher is ready, thestudents appear.
And so that's particularlyexciting to me right now in this
moment in my life.
And I think that it's somethingwhere Our own preparation and
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the forgiveness piece that is soincredibly powerful.
And you know, that's come to meseveral times recently.
So what that's inviting me to dois take a little deeper journey
there and look a little bitdeeper.
Because quite a few of us havesome form of abandonment or
(21:35):
rejection story in our lives.
And that type of drama that's,you know, materialized in
different ways.
And it could be something fromlosing a best friend.
It could be, you know, not justa family member.
It could be, you know, not beinga part of an organization
anymore that was important toyou or whatever form this might
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manifest in.
I think that's a key point totake a look at where have I
experienced this pain in my souland where can I release this?
And forgiveness is for all.
us it's not for other peopleit's we like um we don't they
(22:19):
don't experience it even if wego we say literally the words
and they're living i forgive youthey're not experiencing what
we're experiencing when werelease that so thank you for
sharing that
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
that was powerful but also very deep because i
felt I fell and I, it's funnybecause I had this coaching
session recently with a clienttoo.
And I said the same thing.
I said, the first step is inforgiving yourself.
And yet here's, what's coming tome is like, sometimes
forgiveness is not easy.
So how, how I'm curious to knowhow you navigated it, Michelle,
(22:55):
because it's like, okay, sure.
Forgive myself.
And yet there's a lot ofresistance around it.
It's almost easier to figure outother people than it is
ourselves.
And so I'm curious how you, howyou navigate it or how do you
help some of your clients that,that may be, find it a little
bit harder than it is to gothrough that.
Because if that's really thestep one, it's so important that
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we're able to really truly gothrough that process.
And perhaps even for you, it wasalso to do with your faith
journey as well in that.
And did you turn to God in thosemoments to support you with that
and be able to release, right?
Because on the other side of theforgiveness is also safety and
our brains wanna keep us safe.
And so- that's a thought that'scoming to me.
(23:39):
It's like, well, what if on theother side of forgiveness is
also like unfamiliar territory?
We are, we don't know what, wedon't know what it's like to
even feel forgived.
Right.
And so we want to stay here inthis safe moment.
How do we help ourselves and thelistener to be able to go to the
other side of that?
SPEAKER_02 (23:55):
Yeah.
I really love that you'rebringing this up and, you know,
when we seek safety, we seeksafety from things that are
unknown and, And to me, the waythat I look at it is safety
comes from a level of trust.
And so when you can trustyourself that both from just a
(24:18):
carnal level, meaning like ifyou are in a boat and it
capsizes in the middle of theocean and you fell into the
water, you're not gonna just letyourself drown.
Even though you may not know howto swim, your natural instinct,
because you were designed thatway would flail and gasp for
air.
So you are never willingly aparticipant of your own demise.
(24:43):
You will want to survive.
And so if that's the case, thenyou know that you can actually
trust yourself at least at thatbase level to breathe and to
grab oxygen and to find a way tostay afloat.
And so then if you could trustyourself there, And then if you
can create intentional factorsof trusting, then you can trust
(25:07):
yourself and create new evidencethat I trusted myself and it
turned out okay.
Okay, I'm gonna trust myself alittle bit more and that turned
out okay.
Because we do it with everybodywe are surrounded with.
We trust other people more andmore and more.
I recently did an exercise whereI had assessed the people that
I'm friends with in my life andIt came down to, all right, this
(25:31):
is my circle of trust, my threecore ladies.
This is my circle of sisters,like very close to me.
Then I've got my circle offriends and then the circle of
influence circle at church.
And I started it out that wayonly because when you really
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seek to understand what whatmakes sense to you and how you
operate and how you like to makedecisions and the meaning that
you add to things.
Because at the end of the day,there is no class one-on-one on
Alex or 101 class for Carol.
So through journaling andself-reflection, that's your
(26:16):
greatest guide.
So whenever you open up a blankbook, it is chocked full of
potential possibilities ofdiscovering who you are and how
you think and what you believeand who you get to become.
And it's really about thejourney of filling it up with
such richness that your lifemanifests that in reality, and
(26:37):
then you're living what you'vewritten as you, you know,
envisioned it.
And so I think that with a senseof like, oh, do I trust myself?
There's also a little bit offear, but the thinnest line is
between fear and excitementbecause it's just, you're
crossing over this line ofpossibility and we're always
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afraid of things that we'venever done.
But at the same time, when yourealize that there is this
fearlessness inside of you thatyou're getting to know, then you
can be bold, you can becourageous, you can take steps
because all of us fell forwardanyway, unknowingly or
(27:22):
unconsciously.
So let's just be consciouslyfailing forward and like link
arms and pick each other up andsay, okay, cool, you learned
that, now let's go ahead and dothis.
And so that's what happened forme.
And the forgiveness piece, I'llsay the two part tagging on what
Carol had mentioned you get tobless and release intentionally.
(27:44):
You can even say, okay, forgiveyou and I bless you and I
release you.
And then for self-forgiveness,there's a point where I think
when you walk and believe inGod, you ask for him to forgive
you just because he knows all,he sees all.
And there's just something from,I'll just call it a heavenly
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perspective when you reallybuild that kind of relationship,
which is just so awesome.
that you can't do no wrong andyou'll you're always encouraged
just like if you've ever becomeyou know a mom or a dad like
there's nothing that your kidscan do wrong you will always
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help them to do better andalways help them to be the best
and to grow and you know we'reno different and um i love that
about bringing in the spiritualand faith because we fail
forward with faith and it'sreally our faithfulness that
allows us to go beyond what weever thought could be possible.
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And there's beauty in that.
And I think that there's alsomiracles in that.
I have had so many clientstories where these are just God
moments that only...
could be because you walk thatline of here in the world, doing
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the math and being competentwith your numbers, but then
walking supernaturally andgoing, wow, this never in a
million years could that havehappened, but the door opened
because of favor.
And then you step into thisfunnel of favor, which I call
it.
And it seems like...
That's a great name.
Yeah.
The funnel of favor.
Yeah.
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That no door...
that you're not meant to gothrough is shut.
You have access to everythingthat you're meant to go through.
I
SPEAKER_00 (29:43):
love that visualization.
I always love visualizing likethe doors and things like that.
So here's what's coming to meright now.
You're standing on the edge.
You're standing on the edge ofyour vision and you see what's
possible, but it's alsouncomfortable.
It's unfamiliar because up untilthis point, it's been a lot of,
you um, a lot, a lot of fear,right?
(30:05):
Like if that's behind you andyou you're given this
opportunity and it'suncomfortable and you, there's
all that unknown, right?
There's a, there's a lot offinancial unknown, right?
Like how, how do you coach intotaking that, trusting yourself
and taking the leap that it'sall going to work out versus,
um, I guess it's kind of likealmost coaching yourself through
(30:28):
like the responsibility piece.
How do you know what is, Iguess, irresponsible in terms of
an action even, right?
Because you're taking that leapof faith with that trust, but
also I'm being responsible andthings like that with decisions
like that.
Sometimes it's like goingthrough like the analytical
piece also with the faith piece.
How do you navigate thosesituations?
SPEAKER_02 (30:47):
Oh, I love that question.
So the way that I would answerit is that you need both.
You need the promise oftomorrow, but you also need the
numbers today.
And why I love to blend both thefinancial coaching with the life
coaching, and I just amspiritually led anyway, is that
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then we can get to the mechanicsbecause the numbers don't lie.
They're neutral.
They give us an understanding ofwhat's happened.
So I go through a methodologywith every client where we
create full visibility.
Because that's, isn't it funnythat we can make so much money
and then we can spend it, but wedon't even remember where it all
went.
And then, but we do know like,where did it all go?
(31:31):
And we do know I actually shouldhave more than what's showing in
my bank account.
But it's not like somebody just,you know, stole that money.
I mean, we willingly, but maybeunconsciously, you know, did the
spending.
And so this is where in thatunpacking, we're seeing 90 days
of transactions, categorizingeverything, adding in the
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one-time year expenses, becausethose hard numbers tell us, all
right, well, this is on averagewhat you're spending on Amazon.
This is what you're spending ongroceries, on top of food
delivery, on top of a mealdelivery, on top of going out to
a restaurant, on top of yourcoffee.
And so- Well, no wonder, youknow, it's all gone because you
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chose to spend.
And so when you come from thatstandpoint, um, which is very,
very different than after thefact accounting, which means
you're looking at your numbersafter you spent it, um, to, um,
how would I call it?
Like come up, um, come up withsome answers of what to do next.
(32:36):
We're using that data and we'resaying, okay, let's just be
intentional moving forward andcreate your budget off of that
or your spending plan.
If you don't like the idea ofbeing in a budget.
And so then when you do that,what's so awesome about having
it be so black and white and soneutral is that you shake the
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numbers out, you add them up andit's either going to be more or
less than what you're making.
And that's it.
And if it's more than whatyou're making, as far as what
you're spending, then we know,hey, for a season until you can
increase income, because theanswer is never, let me just
make more money.
Because the more money that youmake without this process, the
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more money you'll just spend indirect proportion.
And so there's gotta be like arebalancing or like a
recalibrating, like you weresaying with the airplane, like
there is this dashboard wherethe tools on that dashboard are
always recalibrating like thevelocity and like the wind and
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the speed and all of that.
And we do the same thing withour finances so much so that you
say, okay, that means I'm gonnatrim a little bit here and trim
a little bit here.
You come up with a trim plan,but the numbers will show once
you shake that plan out thatyou're actually balanced or you
have goal of like 500 leftover,1,000 leftover, 1,500 leftover.
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And that married with strategyallows you to pay off debt so
fast because we'll do severaldifferent kinds of methods and
can multiply your money ratherquickly because now you've got a
well-oiled machine that we putin place where the numbers work
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out just like a recipe forcheesecake.
You just follow the recipe andyou get what it is that you want
at the end.
And what I love about that isthen there's ownership in
saying, okay, this is what I'mchoosing to spend.
Nobody is like, telling you, youcan only spend this because
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that's very limiting, right?
And we don't want that.
You have agency to say, okay,I'm choosing to spend here, here
and here, and I'm choosing totrim here, here and here,
because I have the actual datato show me that this is the
reality of what's happening.
Because now I can see, I mean,try like driving down to, the
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grocery store in the fog.
You kind of know where it isbecause you've been there
before, but in the fog, you justcan't see anything, right?
So we want clarity andvisibility.
I think the other part of thatis before you make a big
decision, like buying a home oran investment property, you run
your numbers to see, okay, isthis good?
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Is this something that makesfinancial sense?
Because the numbers will showyou that it's, on the margin and
you really have to be super, um,diligent or, um, yeah, it's
perfectly fine.
And you still have got bufferand, you know, it's, it's not a
big deal.
I think that when you get tothat place where it's not so
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emotional, you can take theemotions out that there's ease
and flow.
You've created stability.
You've created security.
You've created actualempowerment because now you have
agency to take action onsomething that you had no clue
what was possible.
I think I've helped more than 20clients buy houses and I'm not
even a realtor, but they had themoney all along.
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It was just going in the wrongplaces.
So that makes such a differencein that decision-making because
there is this correlationbetween competence, the higher
competence you have in aparticular area, finances or
your career field, thatcorrelates to the level of
confidence that you have in thatarea as well.
(36:34):
So that's,
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
yeah.
Michelle, I have a question inline with that.
Do you work with a lot of peoplewho have steady jobs or
entrepreneurs where their cashflow may be more uneven?
And how do you approach awell-oiled machine with an
(36:56):
entrepreneur that may not havethe consistency that somebody
receiving a paycheck has?
SPEAKER_02 (37:04):
Yeah, I love that question.
So here's how I'll answer that.
When you are an entrepreneur,you need to understand your cash
flow.
So it's okay to say, well, Idon't think I have the cash
flow, but that's like leaving itfrom a standpoint of no strategy
around your cash flow.
You just see there's holes andthen there's winds.
(37:25):
So it's feast and famine.
But The numbers don't lie.
You know that on average for theyear, there's a conservative
number that you can count on,whether it happens all in one
chunk at the beginning ortrickles, you know, often on
every other month or once aquarter or whatever the case may
be.
So when we clarify that, then weknow, and this is why I like
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averages, average coming in andaverage going out.
So at least you know thatcertain things are covered.
And then when you get that cashinjection, I have a system where
I show you,
SPEAKER_03 (37:58):
the
SPEAKER_02 (37:59):
cash injection and your consistent expenses because
that never changes that willsurely always be on a monthly
basis and then how that willimpact your projected balance
for the rest of the year andvisually when you can see those
numbers you know where you'resafe and you know where you're
going red and you know when youneed that next cash injection if
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that's the model of yourbusiness so that you can stay
steady and you can also Giveyourself, hey, I want to start
this year with this much runway.
So that way I won't ever fall inthe red.
Because the hardest thing forentrepreneurs is coming from
that place of desperation whereyou're trying to close a sale
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and people can smell it a mileaway.
People can taste it in the air.
They really can.
Because there's just somethingabout something in your voice
that that like this matters waytoo much to you, and are you
really there to help me and willprovide an answer, or are you
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really just looking for thepaycheck?
And I think that from coachingfor the last 15 years, I coach
anywhere from 800 to a thousandsessions a year, that whoever is
hiring you is hiring you from aplace of extreme trust and
belief that you're the one thatwill take them to the next
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level, whatever the case may bein whatever area of life.
And I personally don't take thatlightly.
And I don't think anyone that'sin that kind of position should.
And to me, it's not about atransactional scenario with the
client.
It's about a relationalscenario.
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I want to be there 10 yearslater when you have kids and
then your kids need coaching andwhatnot, because that's actually
been quite fun to do.
I coach sisters, I've coachedhusbands and wives, and it's
quite remarkable.
I think we don't realize from azoomed out version that the gift
(40:11):
that we have of transformationfor our clients.
And I think that sometimes wecan really get in the weeds of,
you know, just making a livinginstead of impacting lives all
around us.
That's my take on that.
SPEAKER_01 (40:29):
That's really beautiful.
I love that.
And also when you were speakingabout, you know, that well-oiled
machine, is it, So you weretalking about getting a handle
on your numbers, which I alsoteach.
I teach that through a principlecalled Pearson's Law.
(40:49):
And what you measure grows, whatyou measure and report grows
exponentially.
And so it's really somethingthat...
How do you help your clients tobe able to produce more?
Because I heard you saying that,like, it's not always about
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cutting back.
It's about tracking.
It's about being a greatresource manager.
But also, is it that that iswhat's opening up the space for
people to be able to create morewealth in their lives?
SPEAKER_02 (41:30):
I love that question.
from two angles.
When you think about wealth, youthink about it's about making
more money, but it's actuallynot.
Wealth is about being able tocreate a lifestyle where the
money that you're making isbeing multiplied in some type of
(41:53):
vehicle, whether it be realestate or the stock market or
intellectual property orwhatnot.
where I have a lot of peoplethat I work with who make
multiple six figures, over halfa million, multiple seven
figures,$5 million a year.
And they are not wealthy becausein their own handling of
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finances, they're still livingpaycheck to paycheck.
And there's just zeros.
Yeah.
And- it saddens me.
But then it also brings upopportunity to elevate someone
from that money comes and goes,money comes and goes to, I mean,
(42:43):
yeah, to money comes and grows.
And I think in that expansion,here's what I've seen.
Belief, ingenuity, andfaithfulness was starting with
something small and alwaysfocused, focusing on
profitability.
I think that many times we focuson revenue and we can say these
(43:08):
huge numbers, which greatbecause our ego wants to feel,
you know, I did 3 million and Idid, you know, 5 million, but if
your profitability is 11%,that's a
SPEAKER_01 (43:21):
hard way to make
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
it.
$4,000.
And you
SPEAKER_01 (43:24):
get 3 million and you brought in 10,000 profit.
SPEAKER_02 (43:28):
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
But it happens.
It happens more often than not,actually.
And that's where when you cantrust somebody who understands
profitability, then the beautyof that is there is
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simplification.
There's ease and flow.
there is shifting the businessmodel and you, I'll say,
simplify it to only the partsthat's working.
So if you think about a businesslike a stoplight, there's green,
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yellow, and red.
I also do this methodology withmy time.
It's my stoplight timemanagement methodology.
But really think about yourbusiness with the green being
what are the income producingresults producing activities and
that really should be 90 of yourbusiness then nine percent is
yellow which is like thestandstill just um checking your
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emails and things like that andwhen you get to true efficiency
you have somebody else handlingthat for you
SPEAKER_03 (44:39):
yeah
SPEAKER_02 (44:40):
remember i was listening to somebody that um
was saying uh he had visitedrichard branson's blah blah
whatever chalet and and he hashis assistant i don't remember
her name at the moment we'llcall her heidi and heidi has
been with him for so long andheidi goes through all his
emails and does everything andjust brings him like the five
(45:03):
that only he can address so whenyou're working at that level of
efficiency then you're reallydimming down.
What is that yellow time in yourlife?
It can be in your home because Idon't cook anymore.
I don't do laundry.
I don't clean.
I have a house manager.
I mean, it's lovely.
(45:24):
Everything is folded and putaway in my closets and things
like that.
And I get to coach, spend timewith my husband and spend time
with my kids and then go onwalks.
And, you know, cause I live nearthe mountains near Yosemite
national forest and it'sgorgeous outside.
SPEAKER_03 (45:40):
And then
SPEAKER_02 (45:41):
Point nine percent.
So ninety nine and point nine isyour red time.
That's your problem solving.
That's like the stuff where itjust feels like it's a time
suck.
And, you know, we're going incircles, getting frustrated.
Somebody is gossiping aboutsomebody else.
And this is like, get me out ofhere.
You know, activity in yourbusiness.
(46:03):
And I remember I was coaching aclient and he said, I just let
go of 80% of my clients becauseI realized when I looked at my
numbers, 20% of my clients wasbringing in more than 80% of the
revenue.
And now what I've done is I havejust found those 20% clients and
got more of them.
And I'd multiply my businessfrom a million to 3 million to 4
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million and so on.
So much so now that I'm alsolooking for clients that I'm
doing equity shares with.
So now I have a piece of otherpeople's company.
companies not by helping themwith the marketing side but now
I'm in ownership with otherclients that I have in their
business and it's a win-win andI think that um when you look at
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it this way because my coach hadshared with me the marginal
utility of money what is theprice that you will pay to make
that next hundred thousand andif that price is too high then
you don't do it that There was ayear where I took seven weeks of
vacation because it didn't makesense to me to still make
another$100,000 and not enjoywhat I was doing.
(47:07):
So we were
SPEAKER_03 (47:07):
in Greece,
SPEAKER_02 (47:08):
Athens, Corfu, Santorini.
We went to Paris.
We were in Israel.
We were in Normandy.
It was lovely.
And then I came back refreshed.
and inspired and wanting to see,you know, what more could be
(47:31):
possible.
So.
That's what I think about that.
SPEAKER_01 (47:35):
And I think that's so powerful.
You address something the waythat I think of it is, am I
doing a lot of the$10 an hourjobs rather than the$10,000 an
hour jobs or$100,000 an hourjobs?
Where am I getting caught in theweeds?
That delegation is so beautifuland important.
(47:58):
And I really particularly lovewhat you shared at the end about
taking the time out to enjoywhat you have we don't know if
we have tomorrow and I'veexperienced this now a few times
and so it's to me a both andvery much a both and in that you
(48:19):
know there is the resourcemanagement and the efficiency
and effectiveness that goes onthere but also um I've
experienced with one clientwhere she was living in such
severe scarcity all the timethat she wasn't ever really able
(48:39):
to enjoy.
And when she began to step outand be able to enjoy a
fulfilling life, her whole worldopened up and it was really
small baby steps.
But I think that's criticalbecause, you know, we're meant
to live abundant, fulfillinglives.
(49:00):
So I appreciate you bringingthat out.
SPEAKER_02 (49:02):
Yeah, I love that, Carol.
Yeah.
And it doesn't have to be justin finances and work.
I take my clients through this10 pillar methodology.
Like what does abundance looklike in your spiritual life?
Does it look like in yourmarriage?
What does it look like in yourhealth?
your home with your friends withfun and so when you can get that
(49:24):
type of clarity and journalthrough it i think i'm on
journal number 42 since 2005.
i was mentioning about writingall of that that um you
literally are designing the lifethat you know you're meant to be
living at a 2.0 level then at a3.0 level and beyond and beyond
i mean we all get to catch upwith the iphone because i think
we're like iphone 16
SPEAKER_03 (49:45):
something wild like
SPEAKER_02 (49:48):
that
SPEAKER_00 (49:49):
Michelle, you shared so much insight with our
listener today.
And I'd love to just recap alittle bit or just share some of
the biggest takeaways or thingsthat you'd invite the listener
to really implement today toreally support them in having
that healing piece and reallybeing able to release that and
forgive and then be open tothat.
Because that was something thatwith you and Carol talked about
(50:10):
is that it's creating thatspace, right?
A lot of times if you've got themask on, if you've got the fear
is running the show, we'reclosed off.
But to really create that spaceto be open to receive and step
into the abundance, right?
Which is very different thanprobably maybe how many have
been operating up until now.
SPEAKER_02 (50:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (50:28):
Well,
SPEAKER_02 (50:29):
I'll say this and I'll get real personal here.
I had an experience last yearwhere I had hope for another
child.
I'm a mom of three kids, twoboys and a girl.
And I just knew in my heart thatI was meant to have one more.
And when I found out that I waspregnant after two miscarriages,
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it was like this promise to befulfilled.
And from there, through a seriesof events, we found out that
there is this fatal diagnosis.
And why I'm bringing this up isbecause we all have hopes and
dreams and we all have thingsthat we aspire for.
(51:14):
And whether it's in marriage orbusiness or in our physique or,
you know, wanting to be healthyand whatnot.
But there are other things thatare just not in our control.
But what we do have available tous is how we respond.
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And in response to this news, Ihad a choice to terminate and I
had a miscarriage recently.
two miscarriages in the lastthree years.
And I also had an abortion at19.
And being a mom, I realized thatI did not want to not meet this
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little baby, which ended upbeing a boy.
And I made a choice to dowhatever it would take to create
the healthiest environment formyself and for my son.
so that I would hope, hope,cross my fingers, actually get
to hold him and meet him, evenif it was for a few minutes.
And I think that we getchallenged with capacity, every
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single one of us, because thelife that we're meant to lead or
the business we're meant to leador the impact we're meant to
lead in the tomorrow, thetomorrow possibility requires us
to be that tomorrow version ofourselves.
And when you can bridge the gapof realizing I get to show up
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differently, I can't like, Ican't fall back to old ways.
I can't contract and hide.
I get to live life full out.
And that is a conscious choicewith both surrender and trust
and faith that I won't letmyself fall.
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then what opens up for you is abelief and expansion of your
vision of who you are.
And through that expansion, thenyour thinking and your
decision-making and yourcontemplation and reflection of
life, even just as a whole andexistence begins to expand with
(53:29):
you and your trust in somethinggreater than you begins to
expand.
And I think that when we'reunder that type of, um, whether
it's tension, trauma, scrutiny,whatever you want to call it,
challenge that we're faced with,we either can retreat or we can
(53:51):
rise up and you're either goingto sink or you're going to swim,
but you're in the water.
So what are you going to choose?
And through this experience, Ilearned how to trust in, ways
that were physically impossiblein my own human understanding
(54:13):
and for work and for family umeven sharing every truth what
was going on with my at thattime seven-year-old um and not
wanting to protect her and kindof like keep her in the dark and
you know what happened somethingbeautiful she became my biggest
advocate my biggest cheerleaderi give my biggest um And even to
(54:40):
this day encourages me in suchbeautiful ways because she was
able to be brave and strong andjoyful and hopeful.
And I think that in our approachof of attempting to like be all
(55:11):
that we're meant to be, that thecapacity in us has to grow.
And so long story short, or, youknow, fast forward to the end, I
got to meet my son and thenthere was a dive after that
because of the reality of what Ijust experienced.
(55:33):
And in reflection from the firstquarter of this year, I had to
take time to go inward to reallyask myself what is important.
And I don't think that many ofus do that because I think we
live automatically.
I think we get to thesupermarket and then we don't
(55:56):
remember driving there becausewe're living on such
automaticness, if that's a word.
And so this nuance ofintentionality in life who I
engage with, who my friends are,what I'm doing on a daily basis,
where I want to travel, who Iwant to work with really became
so crystal clear.
(56:18):
Yeah.
So much so that I had thisbeautiful experience in Maui
where I began to write.
And Is it okay if I actuallyread this?
Would that be okay?
Just live?
SPEAKER_03 (56:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (56:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We love it, Michelle.
This is just the start.
It's from Lost to Light.
There are moments in life thatsplit us open, moments so
profound that they leave anindouble mark on our souls.
Losing my son, Leo, was one ofthose moments.
It was a grief that lived in mybones, a silence that echoed
(56:56):
through every beat of my heart.
I dreamt of holding him, ofwatching him grow, of whispering
words of love into his tinyears.
But life in its mystery hadother plans.
So this book is not just aboutloss.
It's about what comes after.
It's about honoring the sacredspace between goodbye and hello,
(57:18):
between heartbreak and hope.
In these pages, I invite youinto the most intimate corners
of my journey.
From the depths of sorrow to thefirst spark of light that
whispered, try again.
It's about choosing to believein miracles after mourning,
about opening my heart to thepossibility of life once more.
It's about the courage to dreamof a little girl, Kayani Nala
(57:41):
Hope, whose name carries thebreeze of new beginnings, the
strength of legacy, and thepromise of joy.
This is a story for every womanwho's ever loved fiercely,
grieved deeply, and dared tohope again.
You are not alone.
We walk this road together, handin hand, with tears, with
(58:01):
tenderness, and with anunshakable belief that even
after the storm, the sun alwaysfinds its way back.
Wow.
I share this because I thinkthat we've all suffered loss.
where there was a business thatfailed, a marriage that failed,
a dream that failed, trying fora child that failed.
(58:26):
But I believe that everyentrepreneur, if you are really
an unleashed, unstoppableentrepreneur, that you find the
balance between the heartacheand the heart hope of what could
be tomorrow.
And I think that when you breakthese concepts down, ladies,
(58:50):
that there's this intersectionwhere, yes, there's a
neuroscience, then there's thesupernatural, and then there's
these stories, these testimoniesof people that dare to just push
the boundaries of what could bepossible, but it's seemingly
(59:11):
impossible, and actually canland the plane on the other
side.
And so I just say that to giveanybody who's listening another
go at whatever it is thatthey've always wanted, because
life is not over, and we havemany, many, many tomorrows.
(59:32):
It's just a matter of will wegive ourselves that next
opportunity despite what ouremotions are feeling on the
inside?
And can we give ourselves thatnurturing to be able to be
strong again so that we canstand up and walk, taking steps
forward, kind of shaky, but thenall of a sudden gaining your
(59:53):
ground and then running and theneventually flying to something
that is like stratospheric andout of this world.
So I love looking at that way.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:05):
What you what really landed for me as you're talking
there, Michelle was like, it'spossible.
You know, it's kind of thequestion I was asking.
And even when it talked aboutwith any of what you're hearing
Michelle say today, if you'renoticing a bit of resistance and
what she's sharing and in yourbrain is like, no, that's not
possible.
That's not for me.
I mean, there's somethingleadership where we say 100% is
possible 100% of the time andeven just shorten that it's like
(01:00:26):
it.
is possible.
So you lean into thepossibility, lean into the
vision and you get really clearon what's really important to
you.
I think, as you mentioned,that's what oftentimes is
missing, right?
We're trying to build up avision of what everybody else
thinks of us, but when you getreally quiet and really intimate
with what is really important toyou, what's, you know, it's
possible.
It really is possible.
Our brain's default is to go tothe how and all that.
(01:00:49):
But if you lean into thepossibility, it's funny, Carol
and I, an episode.
We just recorded an episodebefore this episode about
talking a lot about thatactually.
And so it's so funny how allthese things add up.
So we will make sure that we'llhave that link below as well so
that you can go and listen tothat episode and lean into that.
But that's my big takeaway ofwhat you shared today, right?
(01:01:11):
In addition to the trust and thesurrender and the healing piece
and to really forgive yourselfis know that 100% is possible
100% of the time.
It is possible.
It's possible for you, Michelle.
It's possible for you, Carol.
I mean, Michelle, you showed me.
You showed me that it'spossible.
And, you know, sometimes we usethat borrowed authority, right?
And that's okay.
(01:01:32):
But use that as evidence for ourbrains at the neuroscience piece
to know that it is
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:37):
possible
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:38):
for you.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:40):
So thank you, Michelle, so much for being here
today.
You know, I know you're writinga couple of books right now,
right?
So I know we'll have all of yourlinks below in the show notes.
This episode is airing.
I can try and think when youwill.
Do you want to share when if youhave timelines for your books
and then whatever is available,we'll make sure those links are
(01:02:01):
available in the show notes whenyour episode does air.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:04):
Oh, that's so sweet.
Yes.
So I was able to write a chapterabout my experience with my son.
in a book called FaithUnchained.
And that is going to go on saleon Amazon next Friday, June
20th.
So Faith Unchained.
(01:02:26):
And there is another book thatI'm writing from a financial
standpoint called BuildingKingdom Wealth, A Godly Guide to
Becoming Financially Free.
And I just started that project.
I'm going to give myself aboutsix to nine months for
completion.
(01:02:46):
But then from there, we'll alsoannounce when it's launching.
And then what I just read you,it's just starting.
It's like just this tiny seed ofa story.
And to be honest, ladies,because my husband and I are no
matter what happens, have peacearound the outcome.
(01:03:07):
But I know that the words willpenetrate people's hearts and
heal certain hurts and help themto walk the step forward that's
needed so that they can stepinto the life that they have
hoped for and are promisedreally.
(01:03:27):
And so, yeah, those are theprojects that I'm working on.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03:31):
I love it.
I love it.
Alex Lienitz, thank you forcoming on.
And thank you for sharing allyour wisdom and ways that we can
be unleashed and unstoppable.
And your writing is That'sincredible.
I'm still sitting here in tears,very much can relate in my own
(01:03:57):
losses.
And it's something that is atreasure when we're providing
tools like you're providing topeople to live that beautiful
abundant life you know thatwe're meant to have that we're
promised to have and so evenwith in the midst of the pain
(01:04:22):
and the challenges that comealong And to be able to set
those intentions, to have thevision, to believe in it, to
walk in it, to be at that levelof it is beautiful wisdom you
shared.
And I just thank you for
SPEAKER_00 (01:04:42):
being here.
And thanks also to our listenerfor joining us today and tuning
into another episode ofUnleashed Helpful Podcast.
Any final words, Michelle,before we wrap up here today?
SPEAKER_02 (01:04:56):
Don't underestimate your faith, be faithful and be
faithful forward.
And you'll be pleasantlysurprised.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:06):
Wow.
okay we're going to wrap up nowi think we could talk a lot
longer because these are theessences of life the deep things
of life you know the gratitudeand the forgiveness and all of
these fantastic things we havebeen able to talk with you we
(01:05:29):
are sending you so much love andwe can't wait to see you next
week and Thank you again,Michelle.
You have been a treasure.
I appreciate it so deeply.
Ciao
SPEAKER_00 (01:05:41):
for now, everybody.
Bye.
Thanks for tuning in to anotherepisode of the Unleash and Stop
Bull podcast with your hosts,Alexanne Carter and Carol
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