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(00:08):
We've got so small rectangular objects called boss.
Welcome to episode 61 of Unlocking Great Books.
Season 5 rap. Season 5 rap.
How you doing, Sean? Good, good.
It's great to be here and a little bit sad.
(00:29):
I have to say, Carl, like we're at the end of a as you, as you
know, as listeners, we do seasons.
So we, we had a bundle of books.There's a little bit of thinking
that goes on into each season. We've we've tried our peers,
peersies. I don't know what our
methodology will call it, but the, you know, pairing books
(00:50):
week to week just so that we've got some contrasts and things
like that, but we're here with another pile of 10/10 books.
And what, what a range of books.I was just looking back over
Season 5, you know, like, you know, the, the, the first half
of the season is just straight Sean and Carl, isn't it?
It's all about productivity and performance.
Yes. So we, we're, we're into our
yes. Resilience project calling
(01:12):
bullshit filled bubble. That's all.
Yes, that's all straight in our wheelhouse.
And then we take a deep dive into some sociology of the
theory of the leisure. Classes.
That's right. And we do a lot of fiction, yes.
And then we end on a metaphysical high with Zen on
the outer motorcycle. That's right.
What a season that was. What do those books say about
us? Well, I don't know that we, we
(01:33):
read widely, Hopefully that thatcomes through.
I've enjoyed diving a little bitdeeper into some books that, you
know, like, as we've I've mentioned before you, I read
books that I might not normally read because of this podcast.
So that's a that's a healthy thing.
And, and I think that was evidenced by the theory of the
(01:54):
leisure class and Zen, you know,like they, they may be things
that I might not go to, but OK, so at the same time.
Which of these ten really rockedyour world?
I still hold The Comfort Crisis up there as probably the best
book in that pile for lots of reasons.
It, you know, confirm. It's one of those books that
(02:16):
really confirms a few things, but it really got me thinking
about the bigger picture stuff, which is really helpful, isn't
it? So, yeah.
What about yourself? Well, I.
Mean these some of these are my children, right?
Like, yeah, that's. Right, as I said at the time, we
use calling bullshit in our teaching.
You know I love it. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle.
Of course. You know of some of the fiction
(02:37):
we talked about. I love the comfort crisis.
Yeah. I mean, I'm really glad I read
the Resilience Project. I'm super impressed with that As
a project, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's hard, isn't it?
It's, it's like, who's your favorite child?
You can't. It's easy for me because I've
got 1. You know you.
Can't do that. You should just never do that.
(02:57):
Yes. Out loud.
Yeah, and it changed the date of.
That So what was the most, I mean, obviously parking vibrant.
What was the hardest book for you?
Probably I'd have to say Zen andthe other motorcycle
maintenance, right? But it was a good hard and I was
talking to a friend on the weekend about that book and we
(03:19):
were reflecting on the conversation that we had about
reading it again. And, and I found it really
interesting that I had the experience that you talked
about, which is the whole, because the book's got so many
layers, you know, like you engage with one of those layers,
but you probably have to come back and engage with another
layer. And, and, and it's like, that's
the genius of the book, isn't it?
(03:40):
And and potentially the frustration for a lot of people.
Let's play with that, right? Given you have hundreds of books
to read, yes. Where does Rereading Zen fit
into your reading plan? I think at some point, but I'd
let it sit for a while, I think because, you know, reading it
and then talking about it's probably put it, put it in,
(04:01):
lodged it in there. Yeah, the fact that we have to
talk about these books in depth on these podcast changes the way
we read, you know, that's. Totally.
You just have to pay more attention to it.
Yes, you can't kind of certainlythings wildly.
So the best part that rock my world the most out of this
series, believe it or not, was the Radium Girls.
Right, OK. And only because, like, we all
(04:21):
know that story. I knew that story.
I knew history. But it's so confronting.
Yeah, you know, like it. It's, it's just so it's so
brutal. It's so inhumane.
And you think, how could this possibly have happened?
Yeah. And it did.
Yeah. And, and we seem to have a, as
we can mention in the show, we have a habit of just doing these
(04:43):
things over and over again and not really learning from it.
What I what I like is we were motivated to start reading some
more fiction thanks to that great New York Times article
that says men don't read fiction.
But in future, do you think we need we need to bring some more
of our fiction into our our workor?
I I quite like the idea of the, the piles and maybe, you know,
(05:07):
like there's something we can explore.
I, like you don't want an episode to just blast through 30
things. And yeah.
But it's your point though, right?
Like the problem with doing fiction is how do you talk about
a fiction book? It's like talking about a movie
without giving away the. Sports a great example.
We've got the Wood Festival coming up in Christchurch, the
book festival authors come and talk, you know, like they talk
(05:29):
around the book, like they don'ttalk about the book, you know,
in the fiction scene. So.
So we're, we're not we, we, we, yeah.
What we're navigating is what everyone else navigates.
However, there are there is a really important story to talk
about in the fiction world. And I think, yeah, it's it's a
good challenge to to keep putting some books out there.
Yeah. And when we talked about it just
(05:49):
before we jumped on the whole point of this is to encourage
you to read as a listener. So, you know, it's great that we
read and and it's. Well, that's a great point,
right? Like, so Chris, good friend of
the show, sent you a ChatGPT summary.
Yes. City of leisure classes.
And look, it was amusing. Yeah.
That's not reading the book. Yeah, you know, and it's not as
a substitute for reading the book.
(06:10):
That's right. So we, we, yeah, we stand by
that, encourage you to read. You don't have to read
everything that we read. Of course, you might not like
the things that I like and I don't like the things that Carl
likes. And that's what the whole point
of it is. But the, the discernment comes
from reading, doesn't it? Like the the fact that you can
pick up a book and go, I really love that For these reasons.
(06:30):
You can't do that unless you're reading other things.
That's right. That's right.
Yeah. Have you?
So, you know, my rule was I givea book 60 pages to hook me.
Yeah. If it doesn't hook me up to 60
pages, you abandon. You abandon it.
Right. And I'm getting, I'm actually no
better at that. But I'm I've come to terms with
that's the deal, right? There's so many books to read
there. There is you.
Have 60 pages to here. I'm out.
Yeah, but you got further than 60 pages through Veblen.
(06:52):
I did, I did, yeah. So, so I'll give myself some
credit. I haven't, I don't have the 60
page rule though. So yeah, yeah, I, I think I, I
do try and persist to the end onbooks.
And I know you shouldn't, you know, like in theory, you
probably, you probably shouldn'tyeah, yeah, Denny's read all the
books, yadda, yadda, yadda. But sometimes you never know
where it's going to land. And, and I think, yeah, maybe,
(07:17):
maybe I'll stick it some too long.
I don't know. OK, so given part of what we
believe is that, you know, bookscan change your life.
What's changed for you as a result of reading these ten
books? Sorry.
Well, I should have warned you that was coming.
There's a big. Question I, I think I'm more
(07:37):
interested, some of these books get you interested in other
things and you know, like potentially historical fiction
is something I do want to read more of.
And I've actually just started ahistorical kind of a more
historically based book. It's probably, I mean, it's non
fiction, but it's told in more of a storytelling way.
(07:58):
And I think it's, it's, it's really insightful to reflect on
history, isn't it? And learn from history.
And, and this is, this seems a way that I can consume it in a
bit a way. So, you know, so we, we had
those books, obviously Iranian Girls and Hidden Figures, which
are in that genre and we've talked about others before.
But I, yeah, I do think, yeah, Ido think there's a really good
(08:20):
way to consume. So that's for me.
I I, I feel like I'll probably read more of those books, yeah.
So obviously the obvious question is, would would you
have a go at writing one? Right.
Like during that episode we talked about writing fiction.
Yeah. You know, like about how?
We write all sorts of things. We write all around it, but.
When was the last time you Not at?
Not at the moment. Not at the moment.
I don't know. OK.
(08:41):
Yeah, yeah. Never say never.
That was a good call out. That was a good.
Call there, there's a great there's a great classic novel
from the 50s or 67 in England, in the north of England.
People will be screaming at the their phones telling me the
author's name. I can't remember it, but the
book's called The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner.
(09:01):
Ah yes, yeah, I don't do enough long distance running.
I've distanced myself from the lonniest.
What about you? Yeah.
So it was really good to reread Slow Productivity, even though
we didn't like it because it remind, well, we liked it a lot,
but we thought if you're gettinginto time management and Cal
Newport, there's better places to start.
Yeah. So that took me back and
(09:21):
reminded me of some of the things that I had done but
stopped doing. Time blocking.
Yeah, things like that. Yeah, that really.
Helped the habits. Come from Crisis reminded me
that. Probably similar things, yeah,
yeah. What changes the?
Bits that are really uncomfortable are often the most
important parts. Yeah.
You know, be careful of the lifeof of.
I still want to fly into Alaska and do a crazy trip.
(09:42):
Do you? Don't want to shoot a Caribou
though. Maybe not, yeah, but they are
good reminders that they like. I mean, this is the thing,
right? Even if.
Even the Resilience Project, which has a book I didn't love,
but, you know, that idea of mental health is about really
simple things, but habits and patterns, you know, go back to
your habits and patterns. Yeah, don't.
Miss twice. And sometimes reading a book
(10:02):
reminds you that you might have dropped a few.
Yeah. And the filter bubble, it was
good to read that again because,man, I'm making myself read news
media sources that I wouldn't normally to try and get a
balance, to remind myself that I'm getting fed a particular
view of the world just like everybody else.
Yeah, right. And so.
So multiple sources. Multiple sources.
(10:23):
On the same stuff. Good, good.
Well, these are all good reasons.
I mean good reasons. So we're not doing a long
episode today. Have you, Have you got a book
that you're looking forward to coming up?
Well, I always have books that I'm looking forward to, like
I've hundreds of books that I'm looking for.
You can all shelf on books. Actually.
(10:46):
I'm just reflecting on like. I literally, I literally think I
have 300 books to read on my television shelf, Yes, which you
know, even the way I read that's.
That's a long time that's. Four or five years, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So you're and I'm adding to them
as quickly as I'm reading them, but I'm reading a brilliant book
at the moment called Infantilised.
OK. Which is about how.
Yeah. Yes, about how modern society
turns adults into children and how this long, this long arc of
(11:10):
adulthood takes people a lot longer to become adults, right.
And how society is valuing youthand children over adult wisdom.
So that's. Interesting.
Yeah, interesting. I'm quite excited about that.
What about you? I mean, yeah, mate, you're
getting as bad as me. For a look, there were piles of
books. Well, I've just, I've just
knocked my way through the psychology of money, which I
(11:32):
really enjoyed. Morgan Hazel.
Yeah, that was that was a good reminder.
And and the one I've mentioned now I can't remember the authors
name. It's all about E equals MC
squared, right. So the, the equation, the
history of the terms, the history of what came after that
equation, where it came from, that could be great.
(11:52):
It's really cool actually. I've I've I actually.
Did the I know the book? I can see the cover.
Of the book I did the era of starting it while finishing
another book, so I got 2 at once, but it was I really
enjoyed diving into that. You know when you've jumped into
a book and the first few pages you're like, oh, this is I'm
going to enjoy this I. Think yeah, it's like jumping in
on to the cool C on a warm day. Hey, thinking of the psychology
(12:13):
of Money, maybe next season we should do a couple of psychology
and Money books because it'd be a great opportunity to do Dave
Mack's book. Yes, of course.
Yeah, yeah, that'd. Be a great debate.
Yes, so we we both share. Yeah.
Well, enjoy David McWilliams. Yeah, for sure.
And I've, I've, I think I've told 1000 people about this
(12:35):
book. Yeah, that's great.
After I randomly got connected to it on sitting next to a guy
on a plane. Yeah, and he's coming to
Christchurch, so hopefully. He's doing a world tour for his
book. Yeah, that will pick up on that.
But if there's anything that people want to shout out, books,
etcetera, we don't get lots of correspondence from people, but
feel free to to just get in touch.
(12:57):
We have an old school e-mail address, you can comment on the
show, all that kind of stuff. But but any other, I guess
another slightly serious point. If you do, if you do enjoy this,
send send an episode on to someone.
It's an interesting genre to dipinto and I feel like people
might dip into particular books in our back history.
(13:17):
Well, that would make sense. Of course, but we'll bump into
it that way. But if you, you know, if you
really like the book and you want to share it with someone
and get someone to have a read of it, then this might be a good
start. So.
And the point we make every weekwhen we launch an episode,
right, is if if any of these books pique your interest, go
and support your local bookshop.Yes.
Yeah. Like, because you've got to miss
(13:37):
them when they're gone. Yeah, totally.
Like, and hopefully that won't happen, but you know, like the,
it seems that books are holding on a little bit.
Well, here shops are holding. On here, here in Tatahi,
Christchurch, you know, we love Scorpio books, We love the
Clocks Bookshop. Yes.
And Strohan, Yeah. Do you have any other
favourites? I love UBS I guess on campus.
Yeah, you do. Who's our friends down in
(13:57):
Eddington? Oh, of course, of course.
And the the Addington Cafe. Oh yes, yeah, we've got Bruce.
Bruce, Bruce, that's a great. Well, he's a Weddington Co-op,
yeah. I mean, that's brutal, right?
Because, yeah, he does such a good job of curating those
tables. That's right.
Get a coffee and think I'll justwalk out with a few books.
Yes, and you usually do so. So get down, support your local
bookshop, read some more stuff and we'll be back at some point
(14:20):
very soon. Be determined all right.
OK. Cheers.
We've got so small rectangular objects called boss.
Welcome to episode 61 of Unlocking Great Books.
Season 5 rap. Season 5 rap.
How you doing, Sean? Good, good.
It's great to be here and a little bit sad.
(00:29):
I have to say, Carl, like we're at the end of a as you, as you
know, as listeners, we do seasons.
So we, we had a bundle of books.There's a little bit of thinking
that goes on into each season. We've we've tried our peers,
peersies. I don't know what our
methodology will call it, but the, you know, pairing books
(00:50):
week to week just so that we've got some contrasts and things
like that, but we're here with another pile of 10/10 books.
And what, what a range of books.I was just looking back over
Season 5, you know, like, you know, the, the, the first half
of the season is just straight Sean and Carl, isn't it?
It's all about productivity and performance.
Yes. So we, we're, we're into our
yes. Resilience project calling
(01:12):
bullshit filled bubble. That's all.
Yes, that's all straight in our wheelhouse.
And then we take a deep dive into some sociology of the
theory of the leisure. Classes.
That's right. And we do a lot of fiction, yes.
And then we end on a metaphysical high with Zen on
the outer motorcycle. That's right.
What a season that was. What do those books say about
us? Well, I don't know that we, we
(01:33):
read widely, Hopefully that thatcomes through.
I've enjoyed diving a little bitdeeper into some books that, you
know, like, as we've I've mentioned before you, I read
books that I might not normally read because of this podcast.
So that's a that's a healthy thing.
And, and I think that was evidenced by the theory of the
(01:54):
leisure class and Zen, you know,like they, they may be things
that I might not go to, but OK, so at the same time.
Which of these ten really rockedyour world?
I still hold The Comfort Crisis up there as probably the best
book in that pile for lots of reasons.
It, you know, confirm. It's one of those books that
(02:16):
really confirms a few things, but it really got me thinking
about the bigger picture stuff, which is really helpful, isn't
it? So, yeah.
What about yourself? Well, I.
Mean these some of these are my children, right?
Like, yeah, that's. Right, as I said at the time, we
use calling bullshit in our teaching.
You know I love it. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle.
Of course. You know of some of the fiction
(02:37):
we talked about. I love the comfort crisis.
Yeah. I mean, I'm really glad I read
the Resilience Project. I'm super impressed with that As
a project, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's hard, isn't it?
It's, it's like, who's your favorite child?
You can't. It's easy for me because I've
got 1. You know you.
Can't do that. You should just never do that.
(02:57):
Yes. Out loud.
Yeah, and it changed the date of.
That So what was the most, I mean, obviously parking vibrant.
What was the hardest book for you?
Probably I'd have to say Zen andthe other motorcycle
maintenance, right? But it was a good hard and I was
talking to a friend on the weekend about that book and we
(03:19):
were reflecting on the conversation that we had about
reading it again. And, and I found it really
interesting that I had the experience that you talked
about, which is the whole, because the book's got so many
layers, you know, like you engage with one of those layers,
but you probably have to come back and engage with another
layer. And, and, and it's like, that's
the genius of the book, isn't it?
(03:40):
And and potentially the frustration for a lot of people.
Let's play with that, right? Given you have hundreds of books
to read, yes. Where does Rereading Zen fit
into your reading plan? I think at some point, but I'd
let it sit for a while, I think because, you know, reading it
and then talking about it's probably put it, put it in,
(04:01):
lodged it in there. Yeah, the fact that we have to
talk about these books in depth on these podcast changes the way
we read, you know, that's. Totally.
You just have to pay more attention to it.
Yes, you can't kind of certainlythings wildly.
So the best part that rock my world the most out of this
series, believe it or not, was the Radium Girls.
Right, OK. And only because, like, we all
(04:21):
know that story. I knew that story.
I knew history. But it's so confronting.
Yeah, you know, like it. It's, it's just so it's so
brutal. It's so inhumane.
And you think, how could this possibly have happened?
Yeah. And it did.
Yeah. And, and we seem to have a, as
we can mention in the show, we have a habit of just doing these
(04:43):
things over and over again and not really learning from it.
What I what I like is we were motivated to start reading some
more fiction thanks to that great New York Times article
that says men don't read fiction.
But in future, do you think we need we need to bring some more
of our fiction into our our workor?
I I quite like the idea of the, the piles and maybe, you know,
(05:07):
like there's something we can explore.
I, like you don't want an episode to just blast through 30
things. And yeah.
But it's your point though, right?
Like the problem with doing fiction is how do you talk about
a fiction book? It's like talking about a movie
without giving away the. Sports a great example.
We've got the Wood Festival coming up in Christchurch, the
book festival authors come and talk, you know, like they talk
(05:29):
around the book, like they don'ttalk about the book, you know,
in the fiction scene. So.
So we're, we're not we, we, we, yeah.
What we're navigating is what everyone else navigates.
However, there are there is a really important story to talk
about in the fiction world. And I think, yeah, it's it's a
good challenge to to keep putting some books out there.
Yeah. And when we talked about it just
(05:49):
before we jumped on the whole point of this is to encourage
you to read as a listener. So, you know, it's great that we
read and and it's. Well, that's a great point,
right? Like, so Chris, good friend of
the show, sent you a ChatGPT summary.
Yes. City of leisure classes.
And look, it was amusing. Yeah.
That's not reading the book. Yeah, you know, and it's not as
a substitute for reading the book.
(06:10):
That's right. So we, we, yeah, we stand by
that, encourage you to read. You don't have to read
everything that we read. Of course, you might not like
the things that I like and I don't like the things that Carl
likes. And that's what the whole point
of it is. But the, the discernment comes
from reading, doesn't it? Like the the fact that you can
pick up a book and go, I really love that For these reasons.
(06:30):
You can't do that unless you're reading other things.
That's right. That's right.
Yeah. Have you?
So, you know, my rule was I givea book 60 pages to hook me.
Yeah. If it doesn't hook me up to 60
pages, you abandon. You abandon it.
Right. And I'm getting, I'm actually no
better at that. But I'm I've come to terms with
that's the deal, right? There's so many books to read
there. There is you.
Have 60 pages to here. I'm out.
Yeah, but you got further than 60 pages through Veblen.
(06:52):
I did, I did, yeah. So, so I'll give myself some
credit. I haven't, I don't have the 60
page rule though. So yeah, yeah, I, I think I, I
do try and persist to the end onbooks.
And I know you shouldn't, you know, like in theory, you
probably, you probably shouldn'tyeah, yeah, Denny's read all the
books, yadda, yadda, yadda. But sometimes you never know
where it's going to land. And, and I think, yeah, maybe,
(07:17):
maybe I'll stick it some too long.
I don't know. OK, so given part of what we
believe is that, you know, bookscan change your life.
What's changed for you as a result of reading these ten
books? Sorry.
Well, I should have warned you that was coming.
There's a big. Question I, I think I'm more
(07:37):
interested, some of these books get you interested in other
things and you know, like potentially historical fiction
is something I do want to read more of.
And I've actually just started ahistorical kind of a more
historically based book. It's probably, I mean, it's non
fiction, but it's told in more of a storytelling way.
(07:58):
And I think it's, it's, it's really insightful to reflect on
history, isn't it? And learn from history.
And, and this is, this seems a way that I can consume it in a
bit a way. So, you know, so we, we had
those books, obviously Iranian Girls and Hidden Figures, which
are in that genre and we've talked about others before.
But I, yeah, I do think, yeah, Ido think there's a really good
(08:20):
way to consume. So that's for me.
I I, I feel like I'll probably read more of those books, yeah.
So obviously the obvious question is, would would you
have a go at writing one? Right.
Like during that episode we talked about writing fiction.
Yeah. You know, like about how?
We write all sorts of things. We write all around it, but.
When was the last time you Not at?
Not at the moment. Not at the moment.
I don't know. OK.
(08:41):
Yeah, yeah. Never say never.
That was a good call out. That was a good.
Call there, there's a great there's a great classic novel
from the 50s or 67 in England, in the north of England.
People will be screaming at the their phones telling me the
author's name. I can't remember it, but the
book's called The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner.
(09:01):
Ah yes, yeah, I don't do enough long distance running.
I've distanced myself from the lonniest.
What about you? Yeah.
So it was really good to reread Slow Productivity, even though
we didn't like it because it remind, well, we liked it a lot,
but we thought if you're gettinginto time management and Cal
Newport, there's better places to start.
Yeah. So that took me back and
(09:21):
reminded me of some of the things that I had done but
stopped doing. Time blocking.
Yeah, things like that. Yeah, that really.
Helped the habits. Come from Crisis reminded me
that. Probably similar things, yeah,
yeah. What changes the?
Bits that are really uncomfortable are often the most
important parts. Yeah.
You know, be careful of the lifeof of.
I still want to fly into Alaska and do a crazy trip.
(09:42):
Do you? Don't want to shoot a Caribou
though. Maybe not, yeah, but they are
good reminders that they like. I mean, this is the thing,
right? Even if.
Even the Resilience Project, which has a book I didn't love,
but, you know, that idea of mental health is about really
simple things, but habits and patterns, you know, go back to
your habits and patterns. Yeah, don't.
Miss twice. And sometimes reading a book
(10:02):
reminds you that you might have dropped a few.
Yeah. And the filter bubble, it was
good to read that again because,man, I'm making myself read news
media sources that I wouldn't normally to try and get a
balance, to remind myself that I'm getting fed a particular
view of the world just like everybody else.
Yeah, right. And so.
So multiple sources. Multiple sources.
(10:23):
On the same stuff. Good, good.
Well, these are all good reasons.
I mean good reasons. So we're not doing a long
episode today. Have you, Have you got a book
that you're looking forward to coming up?
Well, I always have books that I'm looking forward to, like
I've hundreds of books that I'm looking for.
You can all shelf on books. Actually.
(10:46):
I'm just reflecting on like. I literally, I literally think I
have 300 books to read on my television shelf, Yes, which you
know, even the way I read that's.
That's a long time that's. Four or five years, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So you're and I'm adding to them
as quickly as I'm reading them, but I'm reading a brilliant book
at the moment called Infantilised.
OK. Which is about how.
Yeah. Yes, about how modern society
turns adults into children and how this long, this long arc of
(11:10):
adulthood takes people a lot longer to become adults, right.
And how society is valuing youthand children over adult wisdom.
So that's. Interesting.
Yeah, interesting. I'm quite excited about that.
What about you? I mean, yeah, mate, you're
getting as bad as me. For a look, there were piles of
books. Well, I've just, I've just
knocked my way through the psychology of money, which I
(11:32):
really enjoyed. Morgan Hazel.
Yeah, that was that was a good reminder.
And and the one I've mentioned now I can't remember the authors
name. It's all about E equals MC
squared, right. So the, the equation, the
history of the terms, the history of what came after that
equation, where it came from, that could be great.
(11:52):
It's really cool actually. I've I've I actually.
Did the I know the book? I can see the cover.
Of the book I did the era of starting it while finishing
another book, so I got 2 at once, but it was I really
enjoyed diving into that. You know when you've jumped into
a book and the first few pages you're like, oh, this is I'm
going to enjoy this I. Think yeah, it's like jumping in
on to the cool C on a warm day. Hey, thinking of the psychology
(12:13):
of Money, maybe next season we should do a couple of psychology
and Money books because it'd be a great opportunity to do Dave
Mack's book. Yes, of course.
Yeah, yeah, that'd. Be a great debate.
Yes, so we we both share. Yeah.
Well, enjoy David McWilliams. Yeah, for sure.
And I've, I've, I think I've told 1000 people about this
(12:35):
book. Yeah, that's great.
After I randomly got connected to it on sitting next to a guy
on a plane. Yeah, and he's coming to
Christchurch, so hopefully. He's doing a world tour for his
book. Yeah, that will pick up on that.
But if there's anything that people want to shout out, books,
etcetera, we don't get lots of correspondence from people, but
feel free to to just get in touch.
(12:57):
We have an old school e-mail address, you can comment on the
show, all that kind of stuff. But but any other, I guess
another slightly serious point. If you do, if you do enjoy this,
send send an episode on to someone.
It's an interesting genre to dipinto and I feel like people
might dip into particular books in our back history.
(13:17):
Well, that would make sense. Of course, but we'll bump into
it that way. But if you, you know, if you
really like the book and you want to share it with someone
and get someone to have a read of it, then this might be a good
start. So.
And the point we make every weekwhen we launch an episode,
right, is if if any of these books pique your interest, go
and support your local bookshop.Yes.
Yeah. Like, because you've got to miss
(13:37):
them when they're gone. Yeah, totally.
Like, and hopefully that won't happen, but you know, like the,
it seems that books are holding on a little bit.
Well, here shops are holding. On here, here in Tatahi,
Christchurch, you know, we love Scorpio books, We love the
Clocks Bookshop. Yes.
And Strohan, Yeah. Do you have any other
favourites? I love UBS I guess on campus.
Yeah, you do. Who's our friends down in
(13:57):
Eddington? Oh, of course, of course.
And the the Addington Cafe. Oh yes, yeah, we've got Bruce.
Bruce, Bruce, that's a great. Well, he's a Weddington Co-op,
yeah. I mean, that's brutal, right?
Because, yeah, he does such a good job of curating those
tables. That's right.
Get a coffee and think I'll justwalk out with a few books.
Yes, and you usually do so. So get down, support your local
bookshop, read some more stuff and we'll be back at some point
(14:20):
very soon. Be determined all right.
OK. Cheers.
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