[EP04] "Lead Life with Intention & Authenticity"

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Alfred (00:03):
Hey everyone, and welcome to the Unmodern Podcast,
the podcast where we haveunscripted, unapologetic, and
uncomfortable conversations thataffects everyday people.
If you've ever had an outlook,thought, or an opinion that
modern day society told you tobe silent on That you would get
in trouble for, or if you'veever heard the words, probably
shouldn't say that, then this isthe podcast for you.

(00:26):
My name is Alfred, a husband,father, and an adventure seeking
kind of guy, who over the yearshas learned to have a positive
outlook on life, regardless ofwhat society throws at me.
So if you're ready to listen,let's go.

(01:02):
Mr.
Mike Prince, welcome to theUnmodern Podcast, dude.
I appreciate you, dude.
You're a huge part of my story,a huge part of my current
growth.
Probably the person I relate tothe most about positive strides
I've made in my life.
I can't wait to have this jamsession with you, man.
Thank you so much for beinghere.

Mike (01:18):
Thank you, brother.
It's an absolute honor to be oneof the guests on the first, I
think you're in the first fiveepisodes still.
So super stoked.
I listened to the first one.
I've dived into some of theother ones and oh man, we've had
so much growth in our journeytogether has been amazing.
So I've been excited and pumped

Alfred (01:34):
for this chat.
I can't wait for people to hearyour story.
Obviously your story resonatedwith me.
That's why we're here closerthan we ever have been.
Chatting basically every day ourstory started off pretty
uniquely.
I'm going to let you get into aquick intro here talk about your
journey where we came from,where we aligned with
flyboarding and that whole, Iwant to say, I don't want to say

(01:55):
counterculture movement, butreally just off the beaten path.
You know, when people hear theterm flyboarding, you may not
even know what we're talkingabout.
And man, it was some of the besttimes of my life, dude, but it's
funny.
I can't imagine living thatlifestyle now.
It doesn't compute in my brain.
The alcohol, the sleeplessnights, the buffoon attitude and
behaviors.
It just, it's something thatdoesn't align anymore, but I'm

(02:16):
also very appreciative that Iwas able to do that.
I'm definitely no regrets aroundit.
It's just kind of have evolvedand moved on.
But I'd love for you to givepeople kind of your backstory,
especially you can kind of touchon how you ended up in the space
of breath, work, mindfulness,maturity, growth.
I mean, we can go on and onabout these words that describe

(02:38):
it, but there was really apivotal moment and I want you to
describe it in your own words,you know, what changed for you
to really being your best, thebest version of yourself that
you can envision.
And I want people to hear thatstory.

Mike (02:53):
Yes.
Thank you, brother.
I appreciate it.
And I can take it back to alittle bit about flyboarding.
And I love that you bring thatup that, you know, there's such
contrast in that time in ourlives, right?
We let's be real.
We had massive egos at the time.
We were doing something thatmost people had never heard of.
In the athletics space, I hadthe opportunity.

(03:14):
Well, you traveled as well, butyou know, I was traveling the
world, doing shows, putting itall out on social media.
It was cool.
We were cool.
We were riding a wave.
That was incredible.
And there was no slowing usdown.
Right.
But as you say, like, we weren'tyour.
I don't know if we were or nottypical athletes, but let's just
say there's times we were takingcare of our bodies and there's

(03:36):
times we weren't, but wecertainly weren't as conscious
and present as we could havebeen.
And it was not a sustainablelifestyle, right?
But when I look at parts of itthat drove me and got me to
where I am today, man, did itopen my world up.
I was working for a massivesoftware company at the time
when I found flyboarding and Iremember a year or two in, I

(03:59):
quit everything to say I'm goingon the road to commit to this
and that wasn't even thebusiness side yet.
That was, I'm going to go to theU S I'm going to.
Sleep on people's couches totrain because I didn't have my
own gear nor did I have thefinancial means to Create it and
buy it.
So that's what I chose to do andI ended up learning the business
side wanting to do that and wentthat way but let's fast forward

(04:21):
a little bit through thatjourney of ego, you know when
the dust settled and thebrotherhood wasn't there
anymore, and I went back to mycorporate job, I was making good
money we just bought a house, Ihave a beautiful wife, we just
had our second child from a inthe box perspective, as society
defines success and what's goingto bring us happiness, I should

(04:45):
have been happy.
But looking back on it all, youknow, I didn't know it at the
time, but I was feeling a lullfrom that athletic journey from
the flyboard world that I nolonger have anymore.
I didn't have eyes looking atme.
I didn't have exciting stuff toshare on social media.
I didn't have the same brothersnext to me all the time to work
through and support me.

(05:06):
So I was standing there.
In a world that I created allthese material things, but
really, I was drinking a littletoo much.
I didn't feel fulfilled insideat all.
I felt very empty and lonely,and I didn't know where to turn.
I remember the pivotal time forme was actually standing in our
new house in our driveway.
I was shoveling the driveway andlooking around.

(05:28):
I don't know what hit me, butlooking around and saying to
myself, I'm standing in my worstnightmare.
And we're a month after buying abrand new house.
Like everything is amazing,apparently.
But for me, my biggest fear inmy life is being comfortable.
And I had gotten comfortable.
I put myself in a position whereI had a mortgage.

(05:49):
Now I had all these bills.
I had kids.
I had blah, blah, blah, blah,blah.
But I didn't have anything I wasconnecting to inside, a purpose,
something that was driving me.
I was just simply drinking onthe weekends or sometimes maybe
even during the week just tofeel anything.
You know, and I was looking forpeople around me to do that, to
make it okay.

(06:09):
Or I was putting in way too manyhours at work, thinking it's
okay because I'm producingfinancially.
So, that's where I started tosay, okay, this can't be it.
There has to be something morein this life than just making
this money, paying these bills,and looking for escapism on the
weekends.
And I can continue that journeywith somebody you know Cam

(06:30):
McDougal, he was a good friendof mine at the time.
For years prior, I'd watched himdo this crazy shift in life
where I was like, man, he'sreally committed to this health
journey and, but it's funny.
I had reached out to him.
To try to help somebody else inthe health and wellness space to
say, she wants to look at yourprogram and see what you're
doing and what you did to get towhere you are.
And he simply asked me aquestion that most men do not

(06:51):
ask themselves or to ask eachother, excuse me, not with any
real intentionality and wantingto hear the answer anyway.
And that's how are you?
And not high five.
Yeah.
How are you?
The bills did great on theweekend, blah, blah, blah.
He listened and he asked meagain.
He said, no, really, how are youdoing, man?
And I don't know what the bridgewas, what, where it was to open
that door for me to actuallyfeel comfortable and step inside

(07:13):
it.
But I really opened up to himand I said, man, I don't really
know.
You know, I'm not feeling thegreatest lately.
I'm feeling kind of in the dark.
I'm feeling X, Y, and Z.
So we're still in the beginningof the journey here.
I hope it's okay that I'mrambling, but this is the story.
And so I ended up working withCam.
I ended up getting my shittogether and at least, finding a
place where I knew my nutritionwas important and I was an

(07:36):
athlete.
I'd done it before, but I wasdropped my ego.
Listen to him.
And the new realm that came inwith cam is, he talked about the
five bodies, not just thephysical the nutritional and
those pieces, right?
But connecting the body, mindand the spirit.
Okay.
So really bringing in theelement of spirit and bringing
in it.
A tool which I had neverexperienced at the time, which

(07:57):
is breathwork.
Okay, and I played a little bitwith cold exposure already
because of our big man Wim andCam was doing that as well.
And so I got myself in within amatter of four months, I'd lost
30 pounds.
I'd stopped the drinking.
I was in peak shape.
Like the most fit I've been, Icould say, in my entire life,
even in the athletic journey,because I was body, mind and

(08:19):
spirit connected, taking care ofmyself and started to look at
parts of myself that I had neverlooked at.
My shadows, right?
And for anybody that doesn'tknow where that is, those are
the dark places that we try tohide from the rest of the world.
That generally aren't the mostpositive.
So I got to this place in thespring feeling amazing.
And here we get to the pivotalpart of the story where I

(08:40):
started to feel pain in myjoints.
In my wrists, my hands wereswollen, my feet were swollen, I
couldn't fit them in my gymshoes.
I was still showing up though.
Everything started to get very,very, very sore.
As doctors do, they send you forblood tests, x rays, blah, blah,
blah, so on and so forth.
I went for months of thistesting and eventually I hired a

(09:00):
naturopath.
And I said, you know, I don'tknow what to do anymore.
I'm in a lot of pain.
This is not in my head.
Look at everything.
It's swollen.
And long story short, we sentaway for a private testing I had
to pay for to really dive deep.
And I had Lyme disease.
I had about four or fivedifferent diseases from a tick
that when I tracked it back, Icut down six massive trees in

(09:22):
our backyard that March.
And this was, you know, 5 monthslater and so yeah, to continue
that a little bit.
Essentially, I didn't changemuch at that time because I was
told it's in its early stages.
Take these antibiotics.
You'll be good.
And I remember, and I'm going tosell myself out on this one.
I'm going to, because I rememberon my birthday this year, even

(09:43):
still asking my naturopath, isit okay if I take a day off of
my antibiotics to drink on mybirthday?
Because I had a big eventplanned.
Literally makes me sick to mystomach that I asked.
That's, that's who I was.
That was still that important tome at that time.
But I did.
And she said, yeah, not a bigdeal.
It's the cycle, you know, you'llbe fine.

(10:03):
Ugh, gets me.
Anyways, months down the road,cycles of antibiotics.
I was smart enough to be takinga break in between them and
repairing my gut at the time,but not smart enough to be
stopping drinking completely.
They didn't work.
All antibiotics did was tear mybody apart.
They took me from, ooh, ahundred ninety, ninety five

(10:23):
pounds down to 165 pounds.
I'm six one.
So I was really, really thin.
I was frail.
The, you know, all the dis thediseases continued to attack my
body.
I was crying through the night'cause I was in so much pain.
There was nothing.
That could stop it.
I couldn't lift my little kidsup without being an excruciating
pain.

(10:44):
Ultimately, for me, the biggesthit was to my pride as a man for
what we define as a man.
And I don't know, I always hadthis kept having this thought of
if we were in the street and wedidn't go out as a family much
downtown in dangerous areas oranything, but this is the way we
think I could never protect myfamily.
I am so frail.
That I can't do the regular, Ican't shovel the driveway right

(11:06):
now anymore.
I can't take the garbage out.
I was in so much pain.
I didn't know what to do.
So that December, a friend hadshared with me someone who had
worked with a medicine calledCampbell and that there was this
shaman down in Vancouver.
That had helped some people.
So I looked her up, I called hernot knowing where else to turn.

(11:28):
And she said, I'm booked formonths out.
Like I have my regulars, I haveother people that come.
And but then she said, listen, Ican see we really need to
connect.
I can feel we really need toconnect.
And she cleared a space for me.
It was three days to go down anddo sit with the medicine once a
day for three days in a row.
I didn't even know.
I'd never, you know, played withpsychedelics.

(11:48):
I'd never played with anymedicine other than when I was a
kid, you know, to trip out anddo the thing that we all do and
experiment.
So this was a complete shift forme, not only to drive the Coca
Cola, aka Highway to Hell,December 18th, being frail as
anything.
If I had ever got sidetracked,and that's honestly the worst
I've ever seen in my life.

(12:08):
It's, it's, there's such ametaphor there of, I was
literally in my own personalhell internally and externally
at every stage of that.
And I went to work with this,For three days and I committed
fully and I knew I had nochoice.
I had to do it.
And all I can say is that on thethird day, I had a spiritual
unlock.
Literally when I took themedicine.
Which is for anybody thatdoesn't know what cambo is, it

(12:30):
is a secretion from an Amazonianfrog that what they do is they,
they burn you and then they takethe secretion, they put it on to
you, the poison starts to gointo your bloodstream
immediately and you deperge.
So, there's symbolism to thepurge, you're purging a lot of
demons in your body then you,you physically purge most of the

(12:51):
time, so you have a bucket andyou puke, but it really boosts
your immune system afterwards.
So, I had gone for thephysiological benefits, being
like, this is going to boost myimmune system.
I wasn't living too much in thatspiritual space at the time, but
the third day.
All I can explain it is I hadliterally this key turn in my
lower left stomach and me, Ifelt this click and that's the

(13:15):
only way I can describe it.
And since that time, this is myjourney.
This is my path.
There is no other way.
I leaned into breathwork.
I leaned into meditation everyday, healing meditations with
Joe Dispenza, and I've gottenbetter ever since.
And it was from then, you know,what they call the hero's
journey, me saying, like, howcan I allow other people to go

(13:38):
through life not knowing aboutthese tools?
And how can I stand by and watchother people get in the place
that I had gotten myself to inthis corporate, unhappy, you
know, doing things that didn'tfire me up place and not do
something about it.
I got to scream at the hilltops.
I got to help people.
I got to support people.
So now that's why, we're doingthe work we do together every

(13:59):
day.
We're having the conversationswe're having because any friend
I can influence, any human in mylife that's willing to listen to
me and is ready for actionbecause you can't drag anybody
into this work or this journey,but is ready to take action.
That's why I choose tocontinually educate myself, dive
deeper on my journey, do thework myself so that I can create
space and help others.

(14:20):
So that is a good 15 minuterant, probably on my story, Mr.
Samson.

Alfred (14:26):
Yeah, no, it's a great rant.
And I wouldn't even call it arant to be honest.
Few things I want to highlightin there for people that might
not know is this for you washappening during the pandemic.
And I think that is a importantelement to highlight because not
only when modern medicine andwhat we've been taught as kids,

(14:47):
what works and what we shouldn'ttake and what we shouldn't take.
What we're supposed to be doingto take care of ourselves that
wasn't there.
At this exact time that you'redealing with an actual health
issue.
We're seeing it in the news of,you know, people in ICU beds and
all that stuff, but you'rereally like living it at home.
The fear is that, well, mydoctor is not going to be there
or it's going to be eight weeksto see them.

(15:08):
What's going to happen in thateight weeks?
And I feel mentally, and thisprobably happened for a lot of
people that had significantissues during this time.
You probably digress in anythingpositive in your life.
I can't physically exert myself.
What if I hurt myself?
I can't take that newprescription.
What if I have an adversereaction or an effect?

(15:29):
It's so scary when that elementis gone, especially when you
have a very old school mindsetof doctors don't call Cambo
medicine.
They use these buzzwords like,oh, that's holistic or that's,
Experimental or all that stuff,right?

(15:50):
I've talked about this on otherpodcasts.
It's scary when the people, themost healing I've ever done, the
most growth I've ever had, waswhen I've been in my most open
minded space.
My most open minded self.
And when the people that areresponsible for your health and
wellness are so closed minded,it's fucking scary.
It's super scary.

(16:10):
Because they're the first totell you, well, it may not work
for you or 10 percent sideeffects.
So you're thinking, okay, am Ithat one out of 10 people or no,
we're all different.
Everyone's going to have adifferent reaction and I don't
know about other people, but Idon't like becoming a statistic
is I'm just going to find my ownway and do it.
And I want to highlight that.
Because it sounded like and forother people that may resonate

(16:34):
with this is you were backedinto a corner, but you're so
appreciative that you werealmost where if you wouldn't
have been or if the antibioticswould have worked 50%.
Okay, well, my gut is wrenchedand I'm feeling bad, but you
know, my swelling has gone down.
So then maybe you just wouldhave stayed in that lane.
I feel you, you almost have togo down that path of reaching

(16:56):
your heaviest you've ever beenor the lowest mentally you've
ever been.
To seek these new I wouldn'teven call them new because all
this stuff, you know, you talkabout Amazon and stuff.
I'm sure this is thousands ofyears old, so it's kind of
hilarious that I even said that.
That's a little bit ofdeprogramming that I have to
work through, but I love thatbecause that's where I
discovered you is we had thisprevious flyboard relationship,

(17:17):
party mentality, similar, friendcircles always living in the
fast lane and everything we did.
Everything.
It's business, sports, drinking,partying, travel, no sleep
shitty diet.
We weren't even conscious ofwhat we were eating or putting
in our bodies.
It was just, okay, I hadn'teaten all day.
Let's go.
It's so enlightening.
Cause I remember after thatCambo treatment you had we were

(17:40):
associates on social media alittle bit and we would check in
from time to time.
And I think I'm only speakingfor myself, but I imagine it's
similar for you as I kind ofkept up with you based off of
your social media posts.
I was just like, Oh man, yeah,it's April.
It's opening season in Kelowna.
Oh, cool.
That's, you know, he must bedoing good and I'm sure he's
excited for the year.
I hope he has a great year andkind of just having a
conversation with you by myselfin my head kind of thing is how

(18:03):
that worked, but you went darkfor a while there.
I don't know the exact timeline,but there was no posts, no
updates.
I'd never seen you green onsocial media.
This is going into the winter ofwhat was it?
I think it was 2021.
And when you came back and Iseen your presence come out, it
was, I was like, man, who isthis guy?
This must be Mike's brother.

(18:23):
Cause this is not Mike, likepositive affirmations, preaching
mindfulness and love and allthis sort of stuff.
And I'm just like, man,, wheredid this guy go?
And I let it be for a bit.
I was just like, maybe he'sgoing through a phase or who
knows what's going on when Ifinally reached out, man, I was
so fucking stoked that I reachedout cause it was the message I
needed at the time.

(18:44):
So to me, what you were for meis what cam was for you.
And it was just, it was awesome.
It was so great.
It was such a great way and Ican certainly tell you that when
you say that you have to screamfrom the rooftops and tell
people about this stuff, it, ithit me like glue on a wall, man.
It just stuck.
And I was so appreciative of it.

(19:04):
And we kind of kept in touch alittle bit.
And then Trevor came into yourlife.
And I'd love for you to touch onthat because that's where I am
now, you know, we've been onthis on this relationship for
almost a year.
And I would love for you totouch on that, man, because that
really is where it started forme, seeing the message come from
multiple people and it wasidentical, it was consistent, it

(19:26):
was productive, and it wasdifferent, but it was different
in the greatest of ways.
So I'd love for you to touch

Mike (19:32):
on that one.
Beautiful, brother.
Yeah, 100%.
I love that you bring up our,our kind of gap as well, because
it was, it was so timely whenyou reached out and thank you
for that compliment on me beingyour cam because it's an
important step.
And man, it's we need thosepeople in our lives, right?
We really, really do.
And I want to commend you forthat, for having the courage to

(19:53):
reach out because here's what Iknow.
There's 100 more Of you andthere were 100 more of me that
don't reach out when it comes tomen and being prideful and
thinking, Oh, it's weak for meto look for help.
It's weak for me to ask thesequestions.
I'll figure it out myself, andso it's so powerful that we take

(20:14):
those steps and this is aperfect prelude to, how I found
Trev and our journey becausethat's the space we were in when
we found each other.
And some people might laugh atme even saying we found each
other.
Right.
But that's the truth.
And it's fucking awesome.
It's hilarious.
But yeah, Trev was we live aboutfour doors down from each other
and he was strolling theneighborhood with his two kids,

(20:36):
having a beer at the time.
And we would give your regularkind of like head nods at first,
and then,, one of us broke theactual silence and open
discussion and yeah, I rememberus just assessing the situation.
Okay, you've got two young boys.
I've got two young boys.
We're both in the sameneighborhood.
And eventually I remember I wasthe one that asked.
So do you wanna play a game oftennis?

(20:57):
And so we did, and there'smultiple parts to that story
because that was at a time whereLime was attacking my hands.
And I remember the first game oftennis like, man, I can't volley
this ball.
My hand is shaped funny becauseblah, blah, blah.
So that's a bit of a side story,but that's why we didn't, we
lost touch for a bit.
But during that, tennis game.
Trev talked about how he wantedto move his family to Costa

(21:19):
Rica.
He talked about how he was inonline marketing and these
pieces for me were immediatelyconnectors like, all right, I
want to hang out with thismotherfucker.
He's cool.
He's on the same wavelength forme.
And so we started havingdiscussions like that.
And again, we had a bit of a gapbecause Trev asked to play
tennis again, but I wasn't readyto open up about the physical
experiences I was having with mybody because frankly, I didn't

(21:40):
know what it was at the time.
Nor we just weren't at thatlevel, right?
Or so we could have been, but Inever breached it.
So we had a bit of a time gap.
And then I remember it went toChristmas and Trev had seen some
of my videos about cold dipping.
And so he's like, man, I want tocome over and I want to check
out your cold deck.
And I was like, It's just ahorse trough with water in it,
but sure man, and like this was,but this was step two in our

(22:01):
friendship, in the beginning ofour relationship, because he
came over, the next day I seehis video, he'd gone out, he'd
bought the horse trough, he wasgetting in it, he sent me, so I
was like, okay.
This guy's an action taker, wejust continue to connect on
these things so fast We kept intouch throughout the winter.
We were both just cold dippingand doing stuff and come the
spring you know, we've done apodcast together on his channel

(22:25):
we talked about helping melaunch mine And then I just said
to him I was like listen trevyou think you can get away for a
weekend You want to have a broweekend.
And this is where it really allbegan.
He literally is like, man, Iknow a good deal at a resort
down in Summerland.
Trev booked us a room at aresort.
We went on a hike.
We did breathwork at the top ofthe hike.

(22:45):
I took my e foil.
We just had a powerful broweekend that, didn't involve
getting blackout drunk and doingthe thing, but it was having
business chats and doing healthythings.
And then we sat there and wesaid, there's got to be other
guys looking for this that aresick of the old talking about
the game and having beers, andso it was that weekend.

(23:06):
We said, we're going to host amen's retreat and we literally
booked it.
We booked a place that weekendto host it two months from that.
And we followed through with it.
And since then we've continuedto unleash things to serve men,
that we were versions of us thatwe used to be,

Alfred (23:24):
the idea of a bro weekend that doesn't involve
blackout drunk or Indulging,having to escape life, but just
being productive and beingintentional with what you wanted
to do and just letting it flow.
I don't know why that's soabstract.
It was abstract for me.
And it's so funny because Ican't see my previous mindset
towards things like thatanymore.

(23:44):
I listened to that and it firesme up.
It gets me jacked.
It gets me excited.
Whereas conversely, if you toldme, Hey, we're going to go to a
stag party, I'm going to belike, nah, hope you guys have
fun and it's weird, man.
It's just where I'm at and it'ssuch a shame.
It really is.
And don't get me wrong.
I'm not pushing people down by,talking down about people that

(24:05):
do that.
If that's you and that's whatyou want to do, the fantastic,
if you have that stressful lifethat or stressful job that you
need a release from, that'sfine.
I think the messaging here isjust, there's other ways to do
it.
There's other ways to findbalance and find that energy to
be able to put it into otherproductive means, you know, you

(24:28):
don't need to have to have thatrelease.
You have to be able to say no,you have to be able to delegate.
You have to be able to findwhere your limits and your
thresholds are in order to beable to ensure that you're
productive and not Destroyingyourself on weekends that you
start another busy week alreadybelow 50 percent and then it
just spirals out of control.

(24:49):
It just, it snowballs, right?
And it affects every aspect ofyour life, whether people like
it or not, you might be doing itbecause you're trying to release
stress from work.
But if you think going down thatroute isn't going to affect your
marriage, your relationship withyour kids, your ability to
maintain finances, your abilityto maintain a healthy body, a
healthy mind, you're fuckingfooling yourself.
You're absolutely foolingyourself.
And you're telling yourself afalse story and it really is a

(25:12):
shame.
And I love that idea that youguys took action, not knowing
who was going to attend, notknowing if anybody was going to
attend.
And I remember watching videosof Trev sanding the, the wooden
barrels for coal plunging andstuff.
And it was just super cool.
Yeah.
For those that don't know withTrev, the way I got to know him

(25:32):
and the first time we virtuallymet is you guys also started
this cold plunge truth.
You guys were cold dipping inthe river and I thought that was
super cool.
And it sucked that you guyslived nine hour drive, hour and
a half flight from me.
Cause I would have been one ofthe first guys in the river.
And I remember I was your veryfirst virtual guest.
We made that happen on aniPhone, me and my neighbor, Ted,

(25:54):
went.
And that was an amazingexperience.
Cause I had never had experienceor exposure to cold like that
before.
I had watched the Wim Hofdocumentary and I was like, man,
this guy's nuts.
And I kind of just chalked it upto that.
It was one of those YouTubesurfing, found it.
I think it was the yes theoryvideo of those guys where they
went and visited him in Polandand they were jumping into this

(26:14):
ice cold water and I couldn'teven compute in my brain how
cold it was.
I just told myself it's too coldfor me and that's it period.
And the same thing when you guyswere doing it, you know, there
was snow on the banks, a littlebit of ice in some of the, the
low, the lower moving areas ofthe river and you guys were
getting into it.
And the same thing, I just, I'mtrying to tell myself, I'm like,
how cold is that?
And then I immediately go, yeah,it's just too cold for you.

(26:34):
It just doesn't make sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And finally, when I got up thecourage to do it with you, and
you guys are receptive to tryingto make it work virtually,
hoping we had enough signal inthe river and hoping we did all
that stuff.
It was amazing.
The one thing I remember veryspecifically about it is it
wasn't hard for me to go intoit.
Between me and Ted I'll kind ofdive back a little bit.

(26:57):
When we committed to it and Ireached out to Ted.
His wife actually reached out tome the next day and said, he
needs this.
You reached out at the absoluteperfect time, just everything
going on in his life, this issomething that he needs.
And I was like, absolutely.
The morning we woke up to do it,believe it was April 7th of 2022
is when we did this.
And was snowflakes, the size oftwo knees coming down and it was

(27:20):
minus one degrees outside.
Yes, I do live in the north ofCanada, and it was so cool for

Mike (27:26):
anybody that doesn't know that the toony is a 2

Alfred (27:32):
coin in is true.
Yeah, yeah, it's about it'sabout an inch, inch and a half
in diameter.
And it was big.
And I woke up and I looked out,I was drinking coffee.
And I was like, why am I like,why?
Like, this doesn't make anysense.
But I committed to myself, Iknew that you guys were going to
do it regardless.
So I was like, yeah, I don'twant to let anybody down.
And then I pulled up to Ted'shouse and I, and I seen him in

(27:52):
the window and he's kind ofwalking to the truck.
And as we're driving, he's like,honestly, Alfred, he's like, if
you wouldn't have pulled uptoday, I wouldn't have been
upset about it.
I wouldn't even have texted youto remind you.
I was kind of hoping you'dforgotten about it.
And it was really coolexperience driving.
And then we're talking aboutwhat it's likely going to be
like, which it was the exactopposite of what we thought it
was going to be.
It was super cool to know thatmy committing to it.

(28:12):
Was that the fact that you guyswere doing it regardless because
you guys had a message you guyshad done multiple weeks You guys
were doing this I didn't want tolet you guys down and then that
gave me momentum and when Ipulled up in front of his house
It gave him momentum that Ishowed up.
He needed somebody to just bethat guy and then when we got
there I was the first one in thewater and courage is something
I've never struggled with, youknow, just blind Courageousness

(28:35):
just kind of you know being ayes person.
That's never really bothered meAnd when we got in, Ted was
really surprised at how fast Igot in.
Cause we, we brought beachchairs.
So we put the beach chairs downand the water was a little bit
up your clavicle there and we'resitting down and I got in and I
was holding the selfie stick andwe were on zoom in freezing cold
water.
And when we got in at first, itwas really hard to catch my

(28:58):
breath.
And you guys warned me, we didthe breath work beforehand to
really, prepare ourselves.
And I wasn't ready for that.
That hit me harder than Ianticipated.
And I know it hit Ted reallyhard too, but as we started
talking about, words likejourney, which are obviously an
umbrella term, that's not a veryspecific term.
That's an umbrella term thatdefines your individual route

(29:22):
that you're taking to getbetter.
That's probably the best way Iwould describe that is we
started talking about, men needthis.
Communities need this.
People who are struggling needthis and I remember the moment
Trev interrupted and he's like,it's been nine minutes and we
looked at each other and we'relike, it's felt like 30 seconds.

(29:43):
It's felt like 30 seconds and I,I've done a lot of cold plunging
since then, but the depth ofthat conversation.
Completely eliminated my body'sawareness that I was freezing.
Like, since then, I haven't donea cold plunge that past time as
quickly as that one.
Now, maybe that's because it wasmy first time and beginner's

(30:04):
luck or whatever you want tocall it.
But when I came out, I was asred as a fucking lobster.
Cooked lobster.
It was ridiculous.
It was so insane.
And I was hooked.
I was immediately hooked.
It was the first thing...
Or probably one of the onlythings I've ever done that
physically challenging andmentally challenging that had an

(30:25):
immediate positive effectinstantly.
Literally snap your fingers.
Bang, dopamine rush.
Boom bang.
It was crazy.
You know, I, I remember it.
Go ahead.

Mike (30:38):
I remember that day and you couldn't have described it
better like travel.
I got on the video and it wascold where we were, but your
guys like the lake or the riveryou guys were at was a scene.
It was a winter scene like thewind was coming in sideways and
you just chilled looking at thatvideo and I was like, wow,
they're doing this and theyjust, they got the truck there

(30:58):
to get back into but man, Idon't know how they're getting
out of it and sitting down andthen I remember us during
conversation.
These guys are still talkinglike we're getting cold here
like nine minutes.
It was impressive.
And then to have that discussionin the truck afterwards with the
red line.
Yeah.
And then to see what you didwith it afterwards was
impressive, right?
Like, I know I forget how longit was later, but I remember

(31:19):
seeing you with Rod and someother guys cutting holes in the
ice.
Actually, you went and did aweekend as well to learn more
about it.
So you had done a few thingsthat it really launched you
into, and it was really cool tosee, man.
And I think that was thebeginning for you, kind of, of
taking action and running with

Alfred (31:36):
it.
It was something that gravitatedto me and hooked me really
quickly because of A, howdifficult it was, But B, the
effects on my body afterwards,and I've felt this in minor,
doses before the way ArnoldSchwarzenegger describes working
out and, when he gets a likesignificant pump, he describes
it like better than sex.

(31:56):
And, people always put thatfeeling or that interaction or
that, bond between two peoplepretty high up there, but it
seriously is like that in thesense of my muscles didn't hurt.
When you're numb, and I can walkon rocks in my bare feet, and I
can't feel them, you, there'ssomething about it, you feel
like Superman.
You feel like nothing can touchyou.
And then the come down after it,when you feel all the cold blood

(32:18):
from your extremities go intoyour center and you start
shivering.
But it's almost like you feelyour body healing.
It's almost like in real time, Ican feel that my body senses
something is wrong, and it'sactivating every aspect of my
body to ensure that I survive.
It truly does boil it down tothat biological sense of
survival.
It truly does.
And same thing when I was in thewater.

(32:39):
I could feel all my extremitiesget cold very, very quickly.
But my gut felt like I was on abeach in Mexico.
All this warm water and thisenergy and I don't know the
actual medical terminologyaround it, but I'm sure it was
my immune system and mydigestive nature and everything
in my gut just firing on allcylinders and be like, this
motherfucker is going to die ifwe don't do something about it.

(33:01):
Yeah.

Mike (33:03):
I mean, you know that it's your autonomic nervous system.
What it does is it pumps allyour blood away from your
extremities.
To your major organs to protectthem like you nailed it.
It's exactly what it's doing.
So to feel that's incrediblebecause it's fight or flight and
it's the body's naturalintelligence and survival
mechanism, right?
So it's, it's wild.

(33:24):
And that's it fires your immunesystem, as you said, to repair
and everything that's yourbody's just on such high alert,
right?
And saying, what the hell areyou doing to me?
But that's what yeah.
Builds the resilience in ourmind when we get through that,
because literally our bodies aresaying, get the fuck out of
here.

(33:44):
Be anywhere but here.
Right.
But we are building theresilience to keep ourselves
there.
And as you said, the breath issuch a key to that because it
helps us calm

Alfred (33:56):
that nervous system.
I love it, man.
So that was my first realexposure into that.
And that was something that Iwas so appreciative of the
experience, me and Ted werebuzzing for weeks on end and we
had done a few since then in ourpools, in our backyard, and then
we went to Jackfish Lake and cutholes in the ice and, and did
all that.
That was actually the winterfollowing.
So this was kind of right whenwe started when you and Trev

(34:16):
started the men's group, which Iam now part of extremely
conscious, and I'll give youtime to let people know about
that.
But when that came out, I wasjust, I was hooked and it was
the beginning of me looking atalmost every aspect of my life,
my marriage, my relationshipwith my daughter, my
relationship with my friends andmy circles, how I do my work
passion projects of mineanything I looked at it as a,

(34:38):
well, I receive a tangible netpositive benefit from it.
And when I say net positive,that's my term that I use to
eliminate destructive patternsand behaviors.
whether that's alcohol, it'sexpensive, it doesn't serve me,
there's zero health benefits,what the fuck, like, it doesn't
serve me.
It would be the same if I was asmoker, or if I was a McDonald's

(34:59):
breakfast eater every singleday, or whatever it may be.
Anything that really you look atwhere there's nothing that I do
with it that serves me in anyway, shape, or form.
And I used that, that, One dayof cold plunging when I really
got punched in the face withreality of like, there's so many
other things out there andfinding cold water, especially
Northern Canada is not veryhard.

(35:19):
So it's not like I need to buy amembership or do all this stuff
I've since chose to investfinancially in these sorts of
things like you mentioned thatWim Hof retreat I went on in
Calgary.
Which was terribly amazing, ifthat makes any sense, because it
was minus 20 that day.
Fuck, it was so cold, man.
And but it was just a reallycool way of, at the time you
guys didn't explain the science.

(35:40):
You guys weren't talking aboutthe autonomic nervous system or
anything like that.
We didn't even know it.
Yeah, we just, we just didbreath work and we just, and
that goes back to my, that justpure courageousness that men
usually have, but we have itwith other things like, Hey, I
bet you can't drink this 40 ofvodka.
And then we do it.
so we kind of tend to be our ownworst enemies at times.

(36:02):
And you guys were there.
Shining this,, positive light ofsomething different, something
positive, something thatbenefits you.
It's not easy.
Nobody ever says it's easy, butit's, it serves you.
It truly, truly does.
And I was super appreciative ofthat, man.
So that was a super coolexperience and I fucking loved
it.

Mike (36:19):
It was such a fun chapter, man.
And I love that you're involvedin it.
And that was again, like ourfirst kind of re interaction
almost right.
Re engagement.
But I love that you bring upthe, the energy and the activity
of how it is a net positive foryou, that Mr.
Logical Alfred, I love it, butit is for men, what we've done
is it's redirecting our energy.

(36:40):
into something that serves ourfuture self, right?
And I don't fault men out there,because look at the society we
grew up in, I don't know aboutyou, but I was born into parties
in my house of, running aroundthe neighborhood, my parents
drinking at all times, and theywere great parents.
I'm not even saying there wastrauma there or anything, but
That was the influence, andthat's the influence of the

(37:01):
majority of us growing up in,the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, is
that it was all around us.
In celebrations and societiestoday, what are people doing?
They're cheersing, they'repouring champagne, they're,
what's your vacation supposed toconsist of?
It's indulging in meals,indulging in drinks.
Heck, when I was, 23, I'd buy acarton of smokes on my way to an
all inclusive, and like, we alldid it, but this is...

(37:23):
What the picture that's paintedthat what we're supposed to do,
right?
But it keeps us dull.
It keeps us in that cycle.
It's just not serving us.
Right?
And so when we take that energyand we redirect that, especially
as men, because men, we've justbeen told work, produce,

(37:43):
provide, but cry.
No, you keep that down there.
You pack that away.
You're supposed to be the strongone.
Don't talk about your emotions,right?
So as men, we're continuallycarrying this burden and no
wonder so many men are divinginto vices like drugs and
alcohol because we're doinganything just to not feel that
shit, right?
Or to have a temporary week awayfrom it.

(38:03):
Or to work more because that'sour justification because we're
still producing and yeah, it'sjust sad.
So, I mean, what we're trying todo is redirect that energy,
right?
It's stuff like that.
It's fun.
And we're building relationshipswith other men that are
incredible.
Listen, the call we were on thismorning, we had a conversation
about a movement that'shappening that's tied to a A

(38:24):
very high political candidatelike these are the types of
people that we're interconnectedwith and very close to when you
get into a world of wanting tobe, be and do better for
yourself and forget that piece,it's just the fact of that you
can show up feeling good eachday, the fact that you can be
present with your kids, the factthat you can be a better partner
and lover and, friend to yourwife.

(38:46):
The fact that you can shift andfind a career that you love and
you want to do that, you wake upfucking excited and not looking
towards Friday on a Monday.
And dreading a Monday on aFriday, right?
Like this is the shift that wecan all have.
And that, Alfred, you're a primeexample.
And so it's been incredible tobe on this journey with you

(39:06):
because,, the shifts you've madein your life in such a short
period of time, and thebeautiful text I received from
your wife when we were at themen's retreat, as a Testament.
One small piece of that is justincredible.
And this is, one example of whatwe're what we're all able to do
when we lean into this and welook for more within ourselves.
And that's what's important toall slow down in a moment here.

(39:27):
But I'm passionate if you can'ttell, but it's important for
everybody to know that, whateveryou're searching for as well.
It's right here.
It is fucking right here insideyou.
The answers are within you.
Yes, there's guides like myselfand other people and Alfred's a
leader amongst, people now aswell.
There are people out there whohave done it, who can guide you
and point you in the directionor have programs and things of

(39:49):
that nature.
But ultimately, if you areconstantly looking externally
for things to be done for youand this change to happen for
you, it's never going to happen.
You have to be willing and readyto be the healer, be the change
maker yourself.
Do these things, you can read ahundred self help books, but if
you don't take action on one ofthem, cool.

(40:10):
You're a bit, bit moreintelligent on what needs to be
done, but it's in the action andit's in believing that you can
make the change yourself.
So Motivational rant over.

Alfred (40:20):
It's very applicable.
My message or my.
Desired outcome for anybody whowould consume this content or is
curious about what we're talkingabout is almost identical.
I spin it a little bit differentwhere I think people just need
to get rid of theirindividualism.
Get the fuck rid of you wantingto do everything yourself.
Listen, there's certain thingsin your life that you have to
handle.
I mean, behind closed doors,personal, traumatic, whatever

(40:43):
you want to call it.
But when you're seeking newadventure, if you're seeking to
do something difficult, ifyou're Reaching out in a
vulnerable state, trying to doit by yourself or trying to do
it with an inanimate object orsubstance or shitty content or
addictive behavior.
You're not going to succeed.
And I even chalk it up to justlook at your own history.

(41:05):
Look at before the last 30years.
Let's even look at it past ourgeneration.
The communities we grew up inthe brotherhoods that existed
historical armies, stories ofthe Spartan warriors or whatever
you want to call it.
Very seldom.
Do you hear of a successfulmasculine male story in history
being solo?

(41:25):
Doesn't exist.
It's not something that existed.
This country was not built bysolo men.
This country was not led by onlyone particular person and don't
even just the world historicalpeople of significance that made
incredible change.
Wim even talks about it himselfwhere his traumatic experience
allowed him to explore cold, buthe had to seek out other people

(41:46):
to help him in that endeavor.
Very, very seldomly is it a solojourney.
It's no different than if you goto eat to dinner and you and you
outsource a chef to cook yourfood.
It's hiring a coach, hiringsomebody with experience, or
building brotherhood, buildingconnection.
People pay for this shit all thetime in a subliminal non

(42:06):
Awareness way, you hire peopleall the time to to test you on
getting your driver's license.
You hire people all the time torenovate your house.
How often are you vetting thisperson?
You're taking their job title ortheir business card for face
value.
This shit is no different.
I think why it looks abstract isbecause no time in history have

(42:28):
we had to sell friendship.
No time in history have we hadto sell the concept of just
being in another person'spresence because the sense of
community has been absolutelyobliterated in today's society.
It really takes a lot of energyto cultivate something of
meaning.
With your neighbor, with, fellowparents at your kid's schools

(42:52):
within sporting leagues, ifyou're in a kickball league or a
beer league or shinny league,whatever it may be, it's so
fucking hard to createmeaningful connections of people
you talk to almost every day.
And it seems like a service thatwe have to pay for.
And that's why it seems sostrange to people because
they're like, I'm literallyhaving to pay for your presence.

(43:13):
What the hell does like, thatmakes no sense.
And that's not the purpose, butthat's the perception.
And that's why when we talk,when we try as mentors, as
coaches, as subject matterexperts in certain areas.
It sounds weird that we have tosell ourselves when we're trying
to do all things positive.
If you want to get on a one hourfree call and I know that you

(43:33):
offer those to people that arestruggling that want to Explore
different modalities of healthand wellness and awareness and
mindfulness It seems odd when Ihear you have to try to pitch
that in a very tiptoe way But Ithink where that comes from is
we've never in the human historyhad to do that.
And that's why it's so weird forme.

(43:54):
I love it when I hear you.
I hear Cam.
I hear Danielle.
I hear all these people that weknow of that sell their services
for the betterment of otherpeople.
It fucking fires me up.
But when I tell other peoplethat aren't.
As maybe aware or conscious oropen minded like us, it sounds
strange to them.
It sounds strange that you'retalking about Cambo.

(44:14):
It sounds strange that you'retalking about psilocybin and
something that in Canada and theU.
S.
they call drugs, but places likeCosta Rica and the Amazon they
call medicine.
It's very interesting to seethat dichotomy and that
difference between how peoplewho are immersed in it every day
look at the positive, wherepeople who are ignorant towards
it look at it in the negative.
And it's just so strange to me,but I hope people will

(44:36):
eventually open their minds tojust get a taste.
It doesn't mean that breathworkis for you.
It doesn't mean that cold is foryou.
What it means is that I canabsolutely assure you 100
percent of the time, if you'renot in a good place, the journey
to get to a better place is notcomfortable.
It's not fun.

(44:56):
It's not easy.
It's going to be difficult, butI can assure you that that Is
going to get you closer to beingbetter, being more fulfilled,
feeling more competent andconfident in yourself than the
converse of doing nothing,staying in the same habits, not
doing anything productive.
It's going to put you furtherand further backwards.

(45:16):
And that's only going to makethat uncomfortable journey that
much longer.
No different than if, if you'rea semi fit and you try to go to
the gym to get more fit, that'seasier than if you're 280
pounds.
Really shitty diet, shittybehaviors, shitty habits.
It's going to be much longer andfeel like a much bigger Mount
Everest to climb, but you haveto start somewhere.

(45:38):
And we have this ringing phrasein our community.
I know it's not something thatwe created, but we said it a few
times is one day or day one.
I've seen the rock post that onthe social medias.
I've seen other people put it.
I imagine there's, there's anoriginal, you know, Author of
that saying, but I fucking lovethat.
I fucking love that saying,cause it applies to everything
people associated with fitness,but it's really anything

(46:01):
stopping drinking, eatingbetter, sleeping better, getting
out of a brutal relationship,beginning a positive
relationship, whatever it may beone day.
Or day one, and it doesn't needto be perfect.
And I love the messaging in ourgroup and I'm going to digress
here shortly, but I love themessaging in our group where it
doesn't need to be perfect.
It doesn't like my podcast, forinstance, I'm only a few
episodes in.

(46:22):
Is there improvement?
Certainly.
Do I think I've done a good job?
Certainly.
Is there things that I want todo differently?
Certainly.
But I just did it.
And I've had a few hundredpeople listening to the episode
so far.
I've gotten great positivefeedback because the first
anything that you do is going tosuck.
The first anything, the firststeak you cook that you've never
cooked before is going to beoverdone, under seasoned.
It's going to be shit.

(46:42):
The first time you drive a car,you're gonna burn the clutch,
you're gonna burn the tranny,like, it's not gonna sound
great, it's gonna suck.
You just gotta do it.
You just gotta be willing tofail, willing to look like an
idiot, willing to look, and Iuse that, that term, and it's
not, because people that are inthe gym, if you go lift weights
for the first time, you mightthink you look like an idiot,
but you're still looking betterthan the person that's not

(47:03):
lifting weights.
So it's shifting that mindset tobe willing to look vulnerable,
to look silly, to look strange,to look different, be perceived
in a way that you've never beenperceived before.
It's it takes gumption.
It takes courage to do that.
And as men, it's so strangebecause we're willing to be
courageous on the outward.
We're willing to kind of exudeour energy outward in a

(47:25):
courageous manner, jump off thecliffs, get in the cold, run
marathons when we don't eventrain.
Most of us are willing to tryand do that, but it's the other
way.
It's bringing it in from animagery, from a mindset, from a
mental standpoint.
That's where the growth is.
So I love that messaging thatyou said, but.
My 15 minute rant is done now.

(47:47):
That was beautifully

Mike (47:47):
said brother and I couldn't agree more and I
recorded my first podcast on myphone in my old truck driving
down the highway for that exactreason.
I had told myself so manyexcuses as to why it needed to
be perfect or what I needed todo before I started until I
started and guess what is mymost viewed episode out of I'm

(48:08):
only like 13.
Shoot, I don't know, 15 episodesin because I'm kind of sporadic,
but it's that first one.
It is that first one.
Wearing a suit I didn't want tobe wearing because I was driving
down to go to work and being inmy old Toyota that I love.
But, it was authentic and it wasreal and it was my journey.
And I didn't care what anybodythought.
And that's the challenge wehave.
I agree with you wholeheartedly,right?

(48:29):
Is too many of us care whatpeople think of us.
At the end of the day, we've allheard this, but nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
We think so many people careabout what we're putting out
there and all these pieces.
And at the end of the day,there's very few that do.
And the few that do are the onesthat need to, to see what you're
putting out and the ones thatresonate.
And those are the people youwant anyways.

(48:50):
The rest you don't and that's animportant message as well as you
go through this journey ofgrowth when you decide to take
that courageous step, you'regoing to lose people in your
life, there's ways to do itgradually and then there's full
teardowns where, you have to bewilling to step forward
regardless of the opinionsbecause you're going to irritate
people around you as you startto grow.
Rise as you start to do the worksimply because they're not doing

(49:10):
it.
Right.
And that's not judgment.
It's not.
Trust me.
I've had to learn the hard waywhen I first started this work I
wanted nothing more than to pullmy wife in by her feet to pay
for any program to be like,babe, let's do this together.
But this work is not.
It's not about that.
We can't pull people in,otherwise we're creating more
trauma because then they feellike they're not sufficient,

(49:33):
right?
But it's patience for our lovedones and it's loving wholly
regardless of where they're atand meeting them where they're
at and leading by actionregardless of what the people
around us are saying.
Because at the end of the day,there's a reason it's called Our
Journey.
It's ours.
Mine is mine, yours is yours.
And they're all different andour timing is all different.

(49:54):
And so it's, it's, there's somany lessons along the way
that's it's patience game, man.
And when we start to look atourselves, that's the part we
need to develop.
We don't have it within

Alfred (50:04):
us already.
Yeah.
I'm reminded of the story Hanseland Gretel of leaving the
breadcrumbs, right?
To find your way back.
And I love that story because Ifeel like it's applicable.
I have a few people in my lifethat I know that would benefit
from.
Just becoming more open mindedand replacing one or two bad
habits with something a bit moregrowth centered or something a
bit more geared around.

(50:25):
Just seeing yourself becomebetter and just being more
mindful about what you consume,who you associate with, what you
do on the weekends and that sortof stuff.
So, but I love the idea ofbreadcrumbs because I think it's
happened.
I mean, our initial kind of, Idon't know, re ignition of our
friendship was when you came on.

(50:45):
Preaching a consistent message,just doing you, not caring what
people thought, not having theneed to sell it to anybody or
tell people that if you choosenot to do this, you're stupid.
that wasn't the messaging atall.
It was just from a very neutralplace of I've been there.
I did it.
It worked for me.
If you're going through similarshit, maybe it'll work for you.

(51:07):
And that's it.
And that's been the commonmessage from anybody.
From the cams, the Danielle'syourself from.
The Zans of the world, everybodythat I've associated with that's
in this space of whatever yourrock bottom or whatever your
reasoning was for pivoting,changing, wanting to get better
or dropping shitty behaviors.
It's not something that is sold.
But it's just so strange to methat people would look at that

(51:29):
as why would I pay for that?
And it goes back to my, myperception on it is we've never
had to sell this type of servicebefore, so it's very strange to
people.
But when I look at peopleselling their service, it's
something that I don't know whythere's a resistance to putting
money and investing in that.
It doesn't make any sense to mebecause people are willing to
put their money in other shit.
There's probably people outthere that have 500 in monthly

(51:50):
subscriptions to shit they don'teven fucking use.
You know, people are willing topay for porn.
People are willing to pay moremoney for expensive food or all
this shit that they sellnowadays of getting food
delivered to your house ratherthan go to the grocery store and
it's sold to you that it savesyou money by giving you
convenience and all this stuff.
And so I just, it doesn't makesense to me that somebody is
preaching to you and offeringyou a taste for no commitment

(52:12):
and then people are just soabrasive to it.
It doesn't make sense to me.
I can't compute that in mybrain.
I don't know.
Well, you you nailed it.
I

Mike (52:17):
mean, it's tangibles and it's external external external
because we're taught right.
Oh, you've got the nice watch.
Man, you must work hard.
You must be worth something.
You wear the Gucci.
You drive the Ferrari.
You know what I mean?
These are the things that definepeople in our society.
And that's why, and they'retangible as you can see them,
you can feel them, you can touchthem.
Right.
But when you're spending moneyon you, Oh, okay.

(52:40):
So what do I get for that?
What do I get?
If I'm going to spend 1500 buckswith you, what am I getting?
they can't feel the result.
Right off the bat.
So there is this unseen thatreally you need to believe you
need to have faith and it'shilarious in this world.
Now, I deal in the energeticenergetic space now, too.

(53:00):
And I try to hold back on a lotof those conversations in the
beginning because I want to meetpeople where they're at.
But we believe how's theInternet work.
How do our cell phones work?
There's all these things flyingthrough the air that we can't
see, right?
But when it comes to believingin you and something you can
create or learn, you know, orthe energy of the human body and
auras and all these pieces, wequestion it tooth and nail,

(53:23):
right?
So there's a belief there alongspending as well and investing
in yourself.
And until you're in it, youdon't realize it.
I was no different when Iinvested my first thousand
dollars in myself.
It was for a 12 week course.
I'll tell you, I'm in the 20 to30, 000 range since then,
easily, without even thinkingabout it.

(53:43):
Because I know if you stripeverything away from me in my
life, take this desk, take thisbeautiful house, take all this
shit, I'll do it again.
I don't need any of it.
My biggest asset in life is me.
And the more grounded I am, themore I can be somebody for the
rest of the world.

(54:04):
The more I can serve the rest ofthe world.
We are our greatest assets.
And when I'm calm and collected,it can be amazing for my kids
and my wife, and focused for myclients, and for my other job,
my other team, if we focus onus, when we realize we are the
center of it all, and theknowledge we take in, and the

(54:24):
tools that we build within us,you can create it all, you can
fucking have it all.
You can have the side business,you can have the career, but
people think more, more, more,more, more.
It's scary.
And then the time conversationcomes in, but that's where the
investment needs to happen inourselves.
It's the best thing we caninvest in is us period.
Then you want the physical shit.

(54:45):
You can create more abundance offinances when you invest in you.
That's going to happen, but itstarts with you.
Right.
So I think that's the thoughtcycle around that.
And it's the big shift from,from where we've been in the
past 20 years.

Alfred (54:58):
Yeah, I'm hearing those numbers.
I'm sure some people areprobably just shaking their head
and that's a number that Icertainly haven't gotten to yet,
obviously, but even in the smalland I can explain this to people
from being a consumer ratherthan a provider of this sort of
material and this content andthis sort of space is.
Especially when people haveknown you for years and they're

(55:19):
wanting to reach out in a wayand you have a product, a
service, a suggestion, whateverit may be.
The first thing that wentthrough my mind is the Mike that
I knew and the first time we metand the many adventures and
experiences we had after thatwas cultivated.
You just.
By chance, we were aligned,mutual friends of friends.
We all kind of came together.
Kalimalka, I actually believewas the first time we met on

(55:41):
that epic Canadian world record.
Let's go.
And I can promise you rightbefore I transferred money to
pay for a service, Mike andTrevor were providing.
The first thing I thought of isthat the moment money gets
involved, it dilutes therelationship.
It transitions from a friendshipto a business relationship.

(56:02):
And I do believe it's a veryfine line sometimes with that.
That sometimes the businesscomponent can supersede a
friendship or a familyrelationship or whatever it may
be.
But when it's done right, andthis unfortunately for most
people will likely come throughtrial and error, is seeing what
works for you and what doesn't,is the moment you find out that

(56:24):
this is what works for you, Itactually strengthens that
relationship because for me as aconsumer, it tells me that what
you're doing is authentic andeffective.
So I'm obviously a fan and thenon the flip side from your
perspective, you likely as aprovider have an additional
incentive to maintain thatbecause if not, you're going to

(56:48):
have both a businessrelationship and likely a
friendship affected by it.
So that was my perception of itis I was very nervous and
apprehensive to do it at thebeginning, but I knew that if I
didn't do this, I had to dosomething else.
So why not give this a shot?
And in my head, I know that bytransferring money to you guys,
it's not going to a bigcorporation.

(57:08):
It's not going to a franchisefee.
It's going to pay for swimmingfor the boys, or it's going to
pay for a year.
It's at your new property inOntario, whatever it may be.
And this goes back to the sameconcept of when people support
local small business.
wHen I buy food at a localbakery, yeah, I'm paying 4.
50 a loaf of bread rather than 3at Superstore.
But that extra 1.
50, I can actually put atangible value to where that's

(57:30):
going.
So when my daughter goes tosummer camp, summer soccer camp
with the daughter of the personof the local bakery, I
immediately know that likely herregistration fee, I had
something to do with that.
And there's a degree of pridethat's associated with that.
But I know that that initialfear.
Of having money conflate anysort of personal relationship,

(57:52):
that's to me, a negative resultof today's society is money is
so valued like one concept Ihave in life here and this is
something I've never talkedabout before out loud is the
idea of people not talking aboutmoney, like when I hear positive
influencers online saying don'ttalk to people about your money,
I think they say that from aposition of they don't want to

(58:12):
like blow up The recurrentreality, but I think that is a
massive, massive mistake insociety and amongst other
things.
I think you need to talk aboutall, all things, your struggles
and stuff, but money, especiallybecause it's this polarized
measure of success, which Ithink is bullshit in the first
place.
But when people aren't willingto talk about, their successes

(58:32):
with money, their failures withmoney, that resonates with
everything.
People aren't willing to talkabout their failures with
alcoholism, how they maybe.
Found success getting away fromalcoholism when you don't do it
with one of the most importantthings in your life That's used
to measure where you're at inlife You're not gonna do with
other other small things if youcan't do it with the most
important thing in your life Ormaybe money is the reason why

(58:54):
it's your biggest struggle inlife if you can't do that What
makes you think you're gonna dowith anything else?
If you can't be honest withyourself and with the people
close to you And then we have todo good jobs that As society,
when people come to us withthat, it can't be in a
judgmental way.
And we hear this all the time,people who are doctors.
There's actually statistics outthere that when you look at
default rates in Canada, thehighest default rates are of

(59:16):
people that make more than 100,000 a year.
So the more money you make, itseems that you're actually doing
worse.
And then you have, thegovernment or society or people
telling you like, well you needto pay a certain amount of tax
because you're so well off, youshould have your shit together.
Well, just because I make, acertain amount of money, why
does that mean that I have tohave my shit together?
Maybe...

(59:37):
I've worked my ass off,destroyed every other aspect of
my life, but I work the mostamount of overtime, I prioritize
it over other important aspectsof my life, but maybe I have a
massive drinking and drugproblem, maybe I have a shopping
problem, maybe I don't know howto manage money and the way I
cope with my emotional traumasis that I have to book trips
rather than party on theweekends, I'll burn out for two

(59:58):
months and then go to Mexico,I'll burn out for two months and
go to Vegas, I'll burn out fortwo months and whatever it may
be, buy a big purchase, get abig lifted truck because that's
symbolism of success in my life.
The bigger the truck, the biggerthe problems kind of thing.
That's a joke in Alberta here.
But it's that sort of shitwhere, why don't we talk about
these things?
Why can't we be okay with payingfor a service that might seem

(01:00:20):
abstract and then in returngetting value, but like you
said, I can't put a tangibleamount to it.
It just doesn't make sense tome.
I don't understand why all thesethings don't become easy
discussion points for peoplefrom a position of, I want to
get better.
I want to share.
I do well with money.
Let me show you how I make a lotof money, but I'm broke as fuck.
How do you do it?
That sort of stuff, but wedon't, and we're judged.

(01:00:41):
We're demonized.
We're considered different.
It just seems so backwards tome, but I love the community.
That I've now discovered of menof like minded individuals of
quote unquote holisticapproaches to life and medicine
Because it's just these peoplethat don't care.
I don't care if you drive aFerrari or a shitbox Toyota I
don't care if you live in amassive house or if you live in

(01:01:02):
a condo in Costa Rica Well,whatever it is, it doesn't
matter the measure of yourhappiness is your happiness Are
you are you content and happy inyour situation?
That's it.
And that doesn't mean thatthat's right for me But as long
as you've got a smile on yourface and you're doing well, when
we can share these thingstogether, I know that that smile
on your face is genuine.
It's not fake.
Where now, there's so manypeople smiling and struggling.

(01:01:25):
There's so many people that arestoic, but are doing very well,
but they have no one to share itwith.
And it's so different for mostpeople, but I just don't
understand why, as a collective,we can't just build each other
up incrementally in alldifferent facets.
It seems so strange, and I don'tknow why, but it seems like
Canada and the U.
S.
are the worst in the world atit.
It really does seem, becausewhen I went to Costa Rica, and

(01:01:46):
I've been to all, and otherplaces, even Mexico, you go to
these communities.
These people have nothing, andthey're the happiest people on
the planet.
They're content, but I thinkit's because they have each
other.
They have community.
They have sense of purpose andbeing and, and togetherness.
Where here, a big truck is notthe same as having a brother.
A massive trip or a big Rolex isnot the same as having people I

(01:02:10):
can rely on hand and foot, likeno question about it.
You can't put any value to that.
And it's just something thatnobody talks about.
Yeah, and I think

Mike (01:02:18):
you know that it's community period.
Dead stop.
It's community in North America.
We've been so pulled away fromcommunity because of money and
greed.
Generally, there's so manydifferent reasons, but that's a
big one, right?
People go in their littlecorners to create and it's the
competitive nature and it's allof that, right?
But so you strip that away.
You take away money.

(01:02:38):
You take away the things youlook in the communities like you
just mentioned, their survivalis in community.
And if you take us back toprimal beings, Which our whole
system is built on.
That's why the happiness levelsare so different because it was
community in survival.
They needed to hunt together.
They needed to gather.
They needed to stay warmtogether, built shelter

(01:03:00):
together.
You're stronger in a packperiod.
Right?
And why do you think these men'sgroups are emerging?
Because you've got these fuckingprimal animals running around
that used to be hunter andgatherers that have these
nervous systems that areconstantly searching and looking
for more, more, more becausethat's how we were wired years
ago and it's still inside of us.
Right?
But that just breeds anxiety andstress and all of these things

(01:03:22):
when we don't channel it anddirect it in the right way.
Right?
And then there's all thestructures in North America that
we live in that keep us apart,that keep us separate.
I won't go into that wholepiece, but, that dull us yeah,
but community is the big onethere.
I think you nailed it.
And the more we open our heartsand accept one another.
And work together, not judgeeach other and rise each other

(01:03:46):
up.
The more powerful we're going tobecome.
Trev loves to say, a rising tidelifts all boats.
And it's so true, right?
It's dropped the competition.
Sure, there's things in life wewant to have that competitive
nature to push ourselves.
Beautiful.
Love it.
However, when it comes to ahuman level of kindness and
caring and actually giving ashit about each other, you know,

(01:04:06):
we should have these open heartsthat it doesn't matter what
background you're from, youknow, if you need to be fed,
I'll feed you.
If you need a fucking hug, I'llhug you.
If you need a shoulder to cryon, cry on this one because
otherwise people are retreatingand they're lonely and that's
why we have the rates of X, Y,and Z that we

Alfred (01:04:26):
do.
Yeah cause it's so true.
It's that community that we justdo not have anymore.
And I love the term men's group.
Cause I feel that's obviously arelatively new term because back
in the day there was no suchthing as men's group that was
called West Kelowna.
That was the community that wasthe men's because everybody in
West Kelowna was part of a, weneed to band together to make it

(01:04:47):
work.
If somebody needs something donewith their house, we'll be
there.
If a mom went through atraumatic experience, the women
are there and we use men's groupbecause we're both men and it's
something applicable to us.
And obviously you're hosting amen's group, but I think it's
just anybody.
I think, women, same thing, likewhy it's so individualized all
these modern terms to describecertain types of women and
behaviors or lack of behaviors.

(01:05:09):
It does such a detriment.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
I do think there is a fine linenow between calling out bad
behaviors, because I do thinkpeople need to be held
accountable.
I do think a degree of judgmentand a degree of zero compliance
is needed for certain things.
Like belligerent drinking.
I think that just needs to becalled out.
And it's a situation in, in myeyes where If somebody is doing

(01:05:31):
that in my life, I'll call itout, but what we need to stop
doing is being the fixer.
It's okay to point a finger andsay that's not a good behavior,
that's objective reality.
Right?
If you're drinking to blackoutor drinking to throwing up or
drinking to the point where youcan't take care of your kids the
next day, I can look at that andsay, you're a fucking idiot.
I'm allowed to do that and Ithink society would agree with
that statement.
What we've done is we've muddiedthe waters and made it murky

(01:05:56):
because now it's, well, I don'tknow his whole story.
But I'm not trying to know hiswhole story.
I'm calling out one particularbehavior and I'm not judging
that person's character.
I'm not saying that that personisn't worth the same as me.
All I'm doing is I'm objectivelylooking at what's in front of
me.
And I'm calling it a spade aspade.

Mike (01:06:13):
I think there's a way, sorry to jump in, because I want
to point out one thing that ifyou do it around a call up, like
we do in our group, right?
Instead of you're a piece ofshit, it's you can do better,
right?
Then it's a call up to themsaying, you know, you can do
better.
I've done a lot of work in thelast few years and I've really
shifted my anger towards that.

(01:06:33):
Exact thing.
A.
k.
a.
that old version of me and nowlead from a place of love.
Right.
In any scenario, I do my best todo that because that's an
effective place that allowssomebody to think,, instead of
put shame upon them and thenfeel the shame, I'm a piece of
shit, man.
He's right.
I am a piece of shit, right?

(01:06:54):
It's you can do better thanthat.
And maybe he is right.
Maybe I can do better than that,right?
Or to show them that love throwsthem off because they expect to
shame, right?
But to open your arms to that orask the question, why do you
think you drink that much?
What are you chasing?
What are you hiding from?
What do you, to open that door,I think is where it becomes
constructive and we step awayfrom the judgment a little bit.

(01:07:18):
And I think that's somethinggood that we're really good at
within our group.
None of us are in that spaceanymore, but with other things,
you know, we're calling eachother up to be better from good,
from good to great, you know,and great to wherever the hell's
after that.
But that that's the only reframeI would give in my own personal

Alfred (01:07:33):
opinion.
Anyways, that's the growth Ineed to do.
Right?
That's why I'm the consumer andyou're the provider.
Right?
And I've talked about this atlength where it was even similar
messages.
Like, we had somebody in ourgroup that was struggling with
where to live and they werestruggling between an expensive
place that lit them up or acheaper place that was more
affordable and put lessfinancial stress on them.
And I remember everybody in thegroup was so eager to give their

(01:07:55):
opinion and based off of mycurrent reality, if I was in
abundance, people were saying,spend the money, do what you
need to do, or if people in ourgroup were struggling, saying,
nah, man, you can't do that.
That's that's going to put youdown a hole and based off of
their because when they talkedabout the expensive place, they
were fired up.
They were like, oh, it's goingto bring me so much peace and
Zen.
And then the other one was like,oh, it's a cheap place, but it's

(01:08:16):
a dump.
It's in a bad neighborhood.
And your response in the groupwas.
I think you answered your ownquestion, so I think you just
roll with it.
And it was just such one ofthose, those eye opening moments
where I'm like, damn, I have alot of growth to do.
Mike is on his way closer to thetop of the mountain and I'm
still climbing at the bottomhere, getting to base camp kind
of stuff.
And I love it, man, because thatis an ultimate reframe and

(01:08:36):
that's something I certainlyneed to work on because.
When you come from a history ora past of fight or flight, or
dealing with extremes, or havingto develop thick skin, what you
had to take as feedback, youtend to just reciprocate that
back, right?
Because that's what you know.
That's what's familiar.
That's what's understandable.
You can compute it in your brainfrom a logical standpoint.
But yeah, I love that call upidea.

(01:08:58):
And I think we do that in asubliminal way.
I think that that is theunderlying message of what we
do.
It's just, we understand it.
They don't, they take what we'resaying at face value.
So if it does come from aposition of you're an idiot
they're going to say, I guessI'm an idiot.
Whereas what you're doing isn'tserving you.
Is there a bigger message here?
Is there something ofsignificance that needs to be

(01:09:18):
battled?
Is this just a superficial wayof you dealing with some much,
much bigger demons?
I think that's behind themessage, but they're obviously
not going to hear that if wedon't explain it in that way.
Yeah, and it's just

Mike (01:09:30):
simply asking the question, right?
And they might not be preparedto answer that question in the
time, but I promise you they'llwalk away thinking about it.
Right.
But anytime we have a reactionto something that's especially
like a strong reaction, we haveto know it comes from something
in our past, right, that we haveperceived in a certain way.
All of us.
There's a reason we all havedifferent triggers.

(01:09:51):
We're not all the same.
And that's whether that's beingteased because we were bullied
when we were young, whetherthat's, calling out drinking
because shit, we've dealt with alot of crap in our life due to
drinking or looking atourselves, our past selves,
right?
Or whether it's, violence, anyof those pieces, when we have
that strong reaction arise,that's the superpower.
And that's why the nervoussystem is so important, right?
The superpower is to be able tobe like, have that jump, go to

(01:10:15):
jump and then be like, wait aminute, maybe I should step back
from this for a second, youknow?
If you put in the businesssense, when you go to answer
that email aggressively,whatever it is, right?
But you take that, you setyourself that boundary, that
little 30 second window, 2minute window, 2 hour window
sometimes to go back to it.
That's the superpower when we'reable to observe that in

(01:10:35):
ourselves.

Alfred (01:10:36):
I love that, man.
I want you to let people knowwhat you're up to because I've
had a amazing front row seat toseeing your growth.
And again, we talk about facevalue.
We talk about people notunderstanding.
Looking from the outside, knowyour move from BC to Ontario and
then wanting to uproot yourcorporate job and go down this

(01:10:58):
path that most people reallyprobably wouldn't understand.
And I know that you're more thanwilling to share, but I know
just from a surface level,people might look at that as
strange and that's been a verycommon theme in this community
is when I talk to people thatare in abundance or that are in
a good place, but want to get toa great place.
My first gut reaction, my preprogramming from years past is
like, why are you uplifting agood thing?

(01:11:19):
Why are you destroying thisreally cool situation that you
have?
It doesn't make any fuckingsense.
Like there's so many people outthere worse than you.
And that's never.
It never comes from that.
It never comes from, well, Iknow that there's probably 80
percent of the people that wishthey had my position, so I
should just be content withthat.
And that is the ultimate fuckingmistake that people can make.

(01:11:40):
Is because people don't give afuck about what you're doing,
which is an objective reality,even though in your mind, you
might say, otherwise, peoplethink, if I do this, they're
going to judge me for blowing upa bad thing.
And then there'll be the 1stones there, if it doesn't work
out saying, fucking told you so,but again, if you don't care and
you just kind of push it asideand you're like, it doesn't
matter if I try to buildsomething up and it falls down,
I'm going to do it again, I'mgoing to do it again, I'm going

(01:12:03):
to do it again, and you kind ofalmost.
You put out their fire ofjudgment.
You put out their fire of theirpre programming and their.
Way of thinking of fuck glad Ididn't do that.
Mike made a huge mistake I triedto tell him I was I was that guy
and people take solace in otherpeople's misery and it doesn't
fucking make sense But what youand Trev and and everybody else

(01:12:23):
in our men's group has inspiredme To look at my current
reality, which is not a badreality.
I've made a lot of strides Ilive in a beautiful house.
I have an amazing family anamazing wife and daughter I have
a beautiful backyard.
I've put a lot of money into,and I've created my sanctuary
here.
And it really started over thepandemic, but wanting to pivot
and shift and alter my life.

(01:12:44):
Doesn't mean that what I have isbad.
It doesn't mean that I'm runningfrom something.
It doesn't mean that I'm, itdoesn't mean that I'm not
appreciative of what I've built.
It just goes back to a situationwhere if I'm not fired up and
I'm not fulfilled.
And I feel like there'ssomething more meaningful out
there for me.
Maybe from the outside, itdoesn't look like it's more
tangible.
It doesn't look like it's maybemore profitable, but it's gonna

(01:13:05):
just make me feel more fulfilledin joy and happiness and
fulfillment and those sorts ofthings.
I need to chase that.
I need to make sure that I'mdoing everything I can to get to
that place.
And as so long as I'm open andhonest with the people around
me, That support me.
Everybody else's opinion doesn'tmatter.
Everybody else's perception.
It really doesn't matter.
And even if they're vindicatedin their doubts and I go

(01:13:28):
somewhere and I'm like, fuck, Imade a mistake and I come back
and now I'm renting a set ofowning, or I'm in a smaller
house instead of a big house, orI'm driving a shittier truck
than a nicer truck, it doesn'tmatter.
It really doesn't matter becausethat's their position.
And you've done it, man, likeyou're, you're well on your way.
I know you're at the infancystage of it.
And the word I would use in mycircles.
And obviously I'm sure, of ourprevious friends, circles, even

(01:13:50):
your current friend circles,you're pioneering the way.
You're one of the first, I knowyou're not the first in that
space, but you're one of thefirst to really do it from that
perspective of you already havethe wife and kids.
You already have the careerrather than starting from
scratch of, I'm just going to godown this road.
Now this is my identity.
Or I had to lose everything.
Maybe I fucked up and lost mycorporate job.

(01:14:11):
No, you're taking a goodsituation or even you could call
it a great situation.
You're tearing it down, startingwith a better foundation
personally, and then you'rebuilding something up.
What that looks like, nobodyknows.
But I love that concept and Imight not be talking very, very
clear English here, butbasically what we're saying is
you're taking what looks toother people an amazing life,

(01:14:31):
tearing it down to do somethingmore fulfilling.
People might look at that andsay, what the fuck are you
doing, Mike?
And your smile is bigger thanever because you're like, I'm
doing what I need and love todo.
So I love that.
So I don't know if you want totouch on that kind of that
journey and that mindset of whatbrought you to that.
What was the tipping point ofknowing you had to go down this
journey?
And then what is that journey?
Fill people in.

(01:14:52):
What are the details?

Mike (01:14:53):
Yeah, boom.
I love that.
And the ultimately listen forme, it comes down to the regret
that I would feel of not takingaction would be greater than the
potential failure.
that I'd face in taking actionand what I would learn along the
way.
At least I went after thatlittle tickle that I've had in

(01:15:14):
my stomach since that day thatsaid, you need to go after this.
This is what you're here for.
You've been looking for thissomething.
This is it.
So many people, we don't createthe space within ourselves to
even hear that voice.
Right.
We got to do the work and we gotto clear space to even hear that
voice.
And so on this journey, there'sjust been unlocks along the way.

(01:15:36):
Right.
Every time is a new threshold.
It's a new unlock.
Right.
When I first, you hear the voiceand then it's like, fuck, I can
never do that.
What do you mean?
You've already got this.
Your income is already this.
You're fine.
Why would you do that?
Why would you shift anything?
What would you, right?
And then it's the courage tostep outside of that and
question yourself and say, well,do you want to be fired up again
when you wake up in the morning?
Do you want to feel connected towhy you're here and your purpose

(01:16:01):
and the alignment of my actionsevery day?
Do I want to feel like my timeon this earth is valuable?
That what I'm doing today serveswho I want to become tomorrow
that I'm chasing fuckingadventure and I, the word chase
is a slippery slope because I'mnot constantly looking for that
next thing, but it's growth.
Right.
And so, yeah, that's the bigpiece.
I mean, for me, I'm steppinginto a world that is in the

(01:16:24):
health and wellness space,right, of breathwork serving men
and women to become betterversions of themselves.
Through tools that I've pickedup over the last few years
through my healing journeythrough just wanting to be
better and knowing that listen,ultimately in my life, the word
connection is what's strongestfor me, regardless of what I'm

(01:16:45):
doing.
If it's work, I don't evenreally want to be doing.
I'm connected to it.
I'm present.
I can find the gems within it.
I can be fired up about it.
Because of the way that I frameit or the perspective shift,
right?
So really, that's the power andthe mission that I personally I
want to create.
So I love that you asked thatbecause yeah, on the outside, I

(01:17:05):
could not change a thing in mylife and it's great.
But for people that have thatdeeper burning inside them, that
they know this can't be it.
Because listen, there's manypeople out there that don't have
that.
I believe it's there within allof us, but you know, haven't
uncovered it.
They haven't blown air on thatlittle ember that's going to
become a fire again.
But when you do, the pain ofignoring that is so much greater

(01:17:27):
than the pain of chasing it andfailing.
Because you're going to learnmany, many, many lessons along
the way.
And then guess what?
At the very least, you're backwhere you began.
But you know a lot more.
So yeah, that's, I don't know ifthat even answered your
question, but that's where I'mheaded right now, really, is, I
want to help people becomebetter versions of themselves.

(01:17:48):
With breathwork as one of thesuperpowers and diving into
people's traumas and,, havinghelping them release limiting
stories and self doubt andhelping athletes break through
blocks and thresholds and wallsand just helping people become
super human ultimately as well,and I can do that as I get more
powerful and learn more.
Just go and finding these toolsand I'm bringing them back.

(01:18:10):
I'm saying, man, look at thisshiny motherfucking thing I
found.
Come try it with me.
Right.
And we do the work together.
And that's why the people I workwith, I'm so heavily invested in
because it's not a paycheck.
It's not about that.
And it's about humantransformation and what people's
possibilities are that they justdon't realize.
And that's look in the group.

(01:18:30):
We've been connected for howlong since February.
Look at the transformationwithin our group, right?
And we're just scratching thesurface of the work we do
together.
But the foundational pieces isthat we're showing up every day
for each other.
We're keeping each otheraccountable.
We're talking about things thatadvance our ways of being all
the time.
And this is shifting ourperspective, and ultimately it's

(01:18:51):
shifting our personality.
And when we change ourpersonality, we change our
reality, right?
So there's that slow and steadyshift, so before I start
floating up here and keeptalking and don't make any more
sense, I'll pull it back, butthank you for giving me the
space to yeah, to talk aboutthat, because it's truly what
I'm passionate about, and, Asyou said, I'm at the tip of the
iceberg right now.

(01:19:12):
I'm just getting started, justgetting warmed it up.
But the energy is amazing andthe people I get to work with
them.
So it's an honor for me everytime somebody new comes forth.
But it is rare, especially men.
It's interesting since I'veopened up my one on one coaching
space.
I was actually, men were kind ofthe okay.
The people I wanted to thought Iwould work with more because who
I used to be is really my targetmarket, but I'm dealing with

(01:19:34):
more women right now than I ammen.
And frankly, I'll tell youexactly why, because they're
ready to step forward forchange, versus men that don't
want to be vulnerable.
They're like, well, I don't wantto look at my life.
I don't want to.
So that's something I alsoreally want to change as well,
because I love dealing witheverybody, but I see, and I feel
the need in the space with that.

Alfred (01:19:52):
Yeah, I love it.
Why don't you let people knowwhat you're doing specifically?
What are some tools that you'releveraging?
What are some.
Approaches, or maybe perhaps howdo you evaluate people?
I know that you offer a freecall to anybody that's curious
with your new business and yournew coaching space run that
through anybody who might belistening to this and is curious
and like, what would that looklike?
What would that look like forme?
Somebody who might bestruggling, somebody who's in a

(01:20:13):
good space wants to get great.
Somebody who is maybe has triedsome of this stuff and hasn't
had a good experience before,what would be your tool to kind
of seeing.
And evaluating somebody'sposition.
And it's not always going to bea fit.
It's not always going to be asituation where this would work
for somebody.
You need to have a degree ofopen mindedness and a degree of
maturity around something likethis and a degree of

(01:20:34):
vulnerability, but yeah, justrun people by that real fast,
just in case they're curious,reaching out, or if this maybe
tickles or ignites that Emberinside them, they're like, man,
you know, I wonder what this guydid.
I want to know more of his storyor.
Maybe he could help me cultivatemy life into what I want to do,
which doesn't necessarily meanclimbing the ladder you're
currently on.
Maybe it means jumping the fuckoff that ladder and going up a
different one.
Right?
Like, you know, sometimes theyjust need that nugget.

(01:20:57):
So, you know, just give people alittle bit of a summary as to
what that would look like withMike.

Mike (01:21:02):
Appreciate it, brother.
Yes.
And, truly, as you said, too,it's not for everybody.
Okay.
I meet everybody where they'reat because I can get hella
spiritual.
I can get energetic, but ifwe're not there, we're not
there.
Where are you at?
So the initial piece when I talkwith anybody, and as you
mentioned, I'll talk to anybodyfor free because I'm fired up
about it.
Offer you some wisdom in that 30minutes, which I've done many

(01:21:24):
times.
I'm happy.
That's a win for me becausethat's going to create a ripple
at some point, right?
So but really what we dotogether is we do a.
Full life assessment.
Like we look at every part ofyour life.
What are you doing right now,day to day?
What are your vices?
What are your virtues?
What are your values?

(01:21:44):
And really get a bird's eye viewof things.
And if you don't have certainthings like values and that
foundation built, we can buildthat too.
Right.
And then as anybody does, wewant to look at where you're
currently challenged, wherethere's goals and what those
goals are.
We do a full time audit.
What are you doing from themoment you wake up to the moment
you go to bed?
And then one of the tools weuse, which we're using in the

(01:22:06):
inner circle as we use a habittracker.
So we start with somefoundational items that you show
up for every single day.
And we build on that and weslowly stack.
So I also in the humanperformance space I've spent a
lot of time in the habits realmand how to really implement
habits in your life in a simple,easy, digestible way.
And so we do that as well.

(01:22:27):
Yeah.
Then it's looking for where weneed, everybody's going to be
different.
And breathwork is one of my Oneof my superpowers.
So be prepared to dive deep.
I'll say that because it's aboutgetting to know each other on a
really, really deep level.
And that's why I think some menhave a problem, but a lot of men
are ready to step forward.
And it's exciting when we do,because it's lifting the veil

(01:22:48):
and it's opening wide andsaying, here's where I'm at.
I don't even know where I wantto go, but I want to feel this.
That's how vague it can be inthe beginning.
But here's what I know is I'mready to take action.
Okay, so that's the importantpart is I've had many
conversations where people arejust curious and frankly, we
decide it's not the right time,but when someone stands in front

(01:23:08):
of me and they say, fuck, yeah,I'm ready to go.
I want to take action tomorrow.
Cool.
Here's my different offerings.
And I have an offering where wework one on one, we have an hour
call every single week,WhatsApp.
We do one breathwork journey amonth.
You also get some recordings ofmeditations, breathworks, things
like that.
There's foundations, and then Ihave some offerings that if you
don't need that personal touch,that accountability, which I

(01:23:30):
recommend everybody has, butthey're more self led.
Okay, and then I have purebreathwork offerings.
If you're just curious tobreathwork, we do some group
stuff, we dive deep.
If you're not sure and you'rejust curious, And you're a man.
Unfortunately, we haven'texpanded into women yet, but we
have a space on Facebook calledthe Better Man Community as
well.
Ultimately, reach out because inmy realm as well, if it hasn't

(01:23:55):
become clear, I'm passionate onjust helping people.
And in my world, I've createdover the past however many
years, I have many contacts andI pass along people all the
time.
If it's going to strike me thatI think someone can be more
powerful than me in your life,I'm going to tell you about it.
I'm going to say go reach out tothis person.
You guys need to connect becausethere are people with different

(01:24:17):
superpowers and different gifts.
And it's important that there'salignment in this space.
And that's why I don't thinkthere's any competition in this
space.
We might have people that aredoing the same thing, but you
really need to connectauthentically with whoever
you're working with, or it's notgoing to work.
If you don't feel it in the pitof your stomach, and they don't
fire you up and you don't getthe warm and fuzzies on the
conversation, don't do it.

(01:24:38):
There's many out there.
Okay.
And that's why I just love thatinitial conversation because I
can read it very, very well.
I'm an intuitive and I'd love tofind people that either we
connect or I'm like, no, you'reperfect for so and so go chat
with them.
So yeah, I'll stop it there.
But for men, the better mancommunity on Facebook or guys
just reach out to me and I, Iwould love to share any wisdom

(01:24:58):
that, that I have for whereveryou're

Alfred (01:25:00):
at in your journey.
Nice, man.
I love that.
And your personal brand,Conscious Creator do you have a
website, socials, anything thatpeople can find you on?
Where can people find Mike?
Yeah, thank

Mike (01:25:12):
you, brother.
There's my website isconsciouscreator.
world or where I'm most activeand I post about a lot of my
events and things like that ison Instagram.
At the conscious creator coach,but Instagram is really where I
share a bunch of this stuff.

Alfred (01:25:26):
Yeah and I've been a amazing recipient of some
amazing breathwork experiences.
It's been super cool.
Anything from Wim Hof to yourown personal touch to cam
somatic style.
It's crazy, man.
People might think that, oh,what is breath work and it'll
fucking change your life.
It'll absolutely fucking changeyour life.
And even if you don't get thecrazy experiences like I had

(01:25:49):
hallucinations.
I had, weird experiences.
I passed out once it was in avery safe way.
I didn't hurt myself or anythinglike that.
And they warn you ahead of timethat it can get extreme if
you've never done it before.
But yeah.
It's super cool to something assimple as feeling the heartbeat
in your fingers.
And you can just feel your body.
You get so in touch with yourbody.
It's just so cool.
So I love that, man.

(01:26:09):
So I appreciate the time andspace today, man.
You're a beautiful human, abeautiful person, an amazing
coach.
You got so much positive on thego.
I can't speak highly enoughabout you when I talk when I
talk to friends and family.
And even acquaintances that areasking me what I'm doing these
days.
The proof is in the pudding,man.
And like you said, it's not foreverybody, but for those that it
is for.
It's a fucking game changer.
So I appreciate you, man, as afriend, as a brother, as a

(01:26:32):
previous acquaintance to what wedo now everything about it, I
couldn't be happier, man.
So thank you so much foreverything you do for me, for
the other men in our communityand other people that I may not
even know who you work with.
I'm sure that they can speak thesame you're a great person, man.
And I appreciate you a ton.

Mike (01:26:45):
Thank you, brother.
That is deeply received.
And I really appreciate it andappreciate you creating this
space for differentconversations.
And it's an honor to be a partof it.
And man, I'm so excited to seewhere our journey goes together
to know where I came from andwhere we're at now.
There's nothing but excitement.
And yeah, tons

Alfred (01:27:02):
of love for your brother.
Appreciate that, man.
Well, till next time, we'llleave it at that.
Thanks again, man.
Cheers, brother.
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