[EP12] "A Problem Cannot be Solved by the Same Mind That Created It"

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Alfred (00:03):
Hey, everyone, and welcome to the unmodern podcast,
the podcast where we haveunscripted, unapologetic and
uncomfortable conversations thataffects everyday people.
If you've ever had an outlook,thought or an opinion that
modern day society told you tobe silent on, That you would get
in trouble for, or if you'veever heard the words, probably
shouldn't say that, then this isthe podcast for you.

(00:26):
My name is Alfred, a husband,father, and an adventure seeking
kind of guy, who over the yearshas learned to have a positive
outlook on life, regardless ofwhat society throws at me.
So if you're ready to listen,let's go.

(01:02):
Mr.
Cam McDougal, thank you so muchfor being on the podcast,
brother.
How you doing today?
Doing very well, Alfred.
My pleasure, brother.
Appreciate it, man.
Thanks for coming on thepodcast.
For those that don't know, Ifirst met you down in Costa Rica
mutual acquaintances of ours,Mr.
Mike Prince and Trevor Turnbull.
I know you know Mike a bit more.
You were an intimidating figure,man.
You knew how to take control ofthe room.

(01:22):
It was intimidating, but it wasalso admirable.
We did a great breathworksession together, and you had
total command.
And I was, hooked right from thebeginning, where this guy knows
what he's doing.
He knows his stuff.
It was one of the moreenlightening experiences I had
in Costa Rica on that retreat.
And we connected afterwards andI've been following you ever
since.
I seen you kind of rebrand youknow, and really focus on your

(01:44):
current embodied message andyour high performance and your
men's performance message thatyou have currently going on.
It was a pleasure to get my asskicked by you during the warrior
games.
So thank you very much for doingthat.
I appreciate you.
Shout out to all the men in thewarrior games, shout out to all
you guys.
And Yeah, I just want you totell the, tell the fans
listening and the, and thelisteners kind of your story and

(02:05):
then we're really going to getinto what you offer because I
believe you are one of, if notthe most positively masculine
figures to allow men to grow inany facet.
I can think of anything from astay at home dad.
To a single super successfuleight, nine figure CEO, your
modalities touch every aspect ofthat.

(02:27):
And I love that.
So I want the listeners to hearthat, but let's get to the story
as to why you are qualified totalk about this stuff, how your
experience has shaped yourability to be a coach in these
spaces.

Cam (02:38):
Yeah.
Well, first off, thank you forthose kind words receiving all
of that.
Yeah, it feels really good to,to hear that.
And it's a, it's an honor to bethat figure in your life, man.
Truly, truly, truly, you know,you, you hit the nail on the
head when you, you asked me thisquestion, you asked about
experience.

(02:59):
I didn't choose to be a coach.
I didn't go professional.
You know what?
I'm going to be a coach.
I had people start asking me,Hey, can you teach me how to
live like you?
And this was before coachingwas, was really what it is
today.
reason people asked me that wasbecause not because I did some
course, not because I read somebook, not because I did some

(03:21):
program.
People asked me that because Iwas alchemizing my life
experience into higher levels ofperformance and fulfillment.
And people could feel that.
And the only way that I reallygot there was from fucking up a
lot.

(03:42):
Like I made a lot of mistakesand what I chose in those
moments was to learn and evolvethrough those mistakes as
opposed to let them sideswipe meand take me out of life.
So we can go as deep into mypast as you like, but I know you
kind of want to focus more onthe present, but in a, you know,
on a, on a high level you know,I was a high school dropout.

(04:05):
I got caught up in drugs,violence.
Gangs at a really young ageended up spending a lot of time
in juvenile detention as anadolescent, spent my 18th
birthday in juvenile detentionescape that world by a hair, you
know, it could have gone inanother direction very easily.
But thankfully, by the grace ofGod, I was moved in the right

(04:28):
direction.
I was pushed to leave that worldbefore things really got, got
really bad.
And, you know, Found cooking,you know, started working in
kitchens and working my way outof that world, fell in love with
business, ended up in financeand, you know, became
conventionally successful.
And, you know, it's kind of acliche now in the coaching world

(04:50):
to hear it.
Like I had everything and then Irealized it wasn't what I
wanted.
And.
That is really what happened.
You know, I, I got to a point inmy life where I was making good
money.
I was, you know, I had the, thenice place, the, the
relationship, the truck, thewatches, the clothes, the, this,
the, that, the travel, all thethings and realize that I was

(05:12):
creating the same life over andover and over again in patterns.
And this is really thefoundation of my work is we live
life in patterns and If we don'thave the awareness to
acknowledge and isolate thecomponents of that pattern, we
get stuck on loop for our wholelives.

(05:32):
And we can change what it lookslike on the outside, but on the
inside, we reproduce the samething over and over and over
again.
So long story short, I keptreproducing the same painful
cycles in my life, which pushedme to do inner work and pushed
me to do inner inquiry, whichled me down the path that you
see me on now.
So that's kind of it high level.

Alfred (05:54):
Yeah, that's awesome.
One area I want to highlight onthat because this seems to be a
struggle that I'm currentlydealing with, and I've been
dealing with it for multipleyears.
And I've mentioned this to youin the past.
I don't remember the episodethat you did that you discussed
this, but when we met in CostaRica, I was drawn to that men's
retreat because of a time at thetail end of a global pandemic.

(06:15):
The ebbs and flows in my lifeand kind of.
The persona that I was puttingout there was on so big extremes
of the spectrum.
I almost couldn't handle it.
I guess I almost kind of gotlost.
I was like, when Trump got votedinto office and I'm not going to
get political with this, but Ibecame a polarizing conservative
figure where I was like, Icouldn't handle anything other

(06:37):
than conservatism.
And then the pandemic happenedand I got into ultra freedom and
I got into You know, antiauthority and I found myself
rigid.
Nobody talked to me.
I lost, you know, I wasn't evenable to talk to my neighbors
like, and I don't blame themjust so we're clear.
Like I was a dick, like, yeah, Iwas not a palatable person to be
around truthfully.
And then I went down to CostaRica and I started doing all

(06:59):
these things.
I discovered breath work, coldexposure.
I discovered you know, a littlebit of meditation.
I have a hard time slowing downmy mind.
I'm a type A personality.
I've kind of accepted that, Iguess.
But there's these ebbs and flowsand you just discussed it where
you went, drugs juveniledetention.
Then you reach this, on the upof like cooking, then you reach
finance and then you almostintentionally go the other

(07:22):
direction.
And words that I've beendiscovering lately is things
like contentment and things likesimplify.
And efficiency.
Talk to me a little bit aboutwhat seems to be every man's
journey is these ebbs and flowsin life chosen or not chosen.
I want you to kind of explain tome if you believe it's important

(07:46):
to be willing and able to dialcertain things back, maybe
image, maybe finance, maybelocation, maybe social circles.
If you know what you want, it's,it's probably not a good idea to
do that.
If you're in complete chaos andyou kind of burn it all down and
you have nothing else to go to,but if you have a goal, if you
have a mission, if you have adream, talk to me about that,

(08:06):
maybe some emotions a man mightexperience, or maybe, Some
complications that may arisefrom that, that they kind of
have to just, you know, this isjust a repercussion of it, but
it will get better.

Cam (08:16):
Great question.
Great question.
I think about Einstein's quotewhen you say that.
And that's that, you know, aproblem can't be solved by the
mind that created it.
And I look at that asenvironments as well.
We can't solve a problem in theenvironment that created it.

(08:38):
Our friends, Influence oursubconscious where we live
influences our subconscious whatwe watch influences our
subconscious what we listen toinfluences our subconscious and
so the person that you are todayis a manifestation of all the

(08:59):
inputs.
And so, if you live your lifein, with those same inputs
coming in time and time and timeagain, you are going to create
the same reality time and timeand time again.
So, in life, I feel there'sthese moments, there's these,
catalystic moments where we haveto step away from those

(09:22):
environments in order to get theclarity required to actually
figure out who we are.
And so the tendency for men, thetendency for humans is to stay
in what we know, to stay in thecomfort, to have the
conversations we're used tohaving, to be in the

(09:42):
relationships with the peoplewe're used to being in
relationships with, to have thejobs we're used to having.
But that creates the outcomewe're living now.
And you get this interestingkind of situation where a lot of
people, they want to change, butthey don't want to change,
right?
They want to change their life,but they don't want to change
anything about their life.
Right.
And you get in this interestingparadox of struggle and pain.

(10:07):
So if you go to the comfort, ifyou go to what you know, you're
never going to be able to figureout who you really are because
it's really hard to tell what'syours versus what's been given
to you by the people in theenvironments that surround you.
And so there's a required kindof separation or what's the word
I'm looking for.
Yeah.
There's a removal required fromthese environments and that

(10:30):
removal can be scary.
That removal can be isolating.
That removal can feel very Badin conventional terms, but it's
required to get space toactually listen to who you
really truly are.
And so, yeah, it's going tosuck.
Yeah.
There's a bunch of differentthings that come up.

(10:50):
Yeah.
You're going to piss people off.
Yeah.
You're going to harm people.
You know I listened to whatyou're sharing about.
You know, your time when Trumpwas elected, your time with
COVID.
I was the same.
I'm a renegade.
I don't like playing by therules.
I was isolated myselfcompletely.
And even though I was anasshole, and even though I, you
know, probably hurt a lot ofpeople, it was a necessity to

(11:12):
not get caught up in.
The environmental spiral thateveryone was in so I could
really figure out who I was inthat circumstance.
And so, yes, it sucks.
Yes, it's painful.
Yes, you're going to go throughhesitation.
Yes, you're going to go towardscomfort.
Yes, you're going to want tostay the way that you are.
You're going to want to keep thesame relationships, have the
same friends, live in the samecity, do all the same things,

(11:33):
but then you're going to staythe same person.
So, so leaning into the fear ofbeing alone, leaning into the
kind of isolating factors in myopinion is essential for growth,
but it's temporary.
You don't want to stay there.
You meet way too many peoplethat stay there and then they,
they spiral into this otherAvenue of their environment of

(11:53):
being alone and all thesethings.
And so you got to have a purposefor it.
You got to have a there's got tobe an intention.
And if the intention is I needto silence all this shit on the
outside so I can figure out whoI am on the inside, do it.
Know that that's going to comewith ramifications.
You're going to lose friends.
You're going to lose people youlove.
You're going to have to do thattemporarily to figure out who

(12:15):
you are.
And then once you get to a placeof knowing, then you step back
into those environments.
And you show up more powerfully,you show up with more love.
You show up as a reflection ofwho you are and people go, whoa,
what are you doing?
And at that point then you cancome back and really show up as
the person that you want to be,but you got to rip that bandaid

(12:35):
off.
You don't rip that bandaid off.
You're fucked.
So that's the way that I seethose types of circumstances.
And yeah, there's gonna be a tonof narratives.
There's gonna be a ton of fear.
Everything associated with thedeath of something is going to
be present, right?
Cause you're killing, you'rebasically killing who you think
you are in order to find out whoyou really are.

(12:55):
And in doing that, there's a lotof pain and suffering and
challenge, but that's thefriction required that leads to
evolution.

Alfred (13:02):
Yeah, that's a great answer, man.
It summarized kind of yourmessaging that I've been
following you for a long time,summarizes it really, really
well, using a lot of metaphorsto make it kind of, you know,
understandable at a very lowlevel which is good because a
lot of people, this is new,right?
I've been multiple years intothis and I still feel like I'm
not even scratching the surfacebecause my pendulum swings,
right?

(13:22):
And it's different foreverybody, but I feel like for
me, I have collateral damage.
If I make this choice, right.
I'd have to be aligned with mywife and my kids.
You know, I have a business thatreally landlocks me to currently
where I'm at.
So in terms of drasticallychanging my environment, you
know, moving to Thailand orsomething, it's not really an
option.
But there's other things that Ican do and focusing on that and
understanding that because it'sso hard to get caught up in the

(13:44):
icing on the cake that ispresented to us these days, you
know, Oh, just meditate for 10days and you'll be, you'll be
better off.
It's like.
You know, and you use the wordintention.
If I don't know why I'mmeditating, it's not, I mean, it
might calm me down and reset mea little bit, but it's not going
to have the desired outcome.
Same thing with cold plunging,same thing with yoga, same thing
with, you know, any modality youchoose.

(14:05):
To do and you had said somethingreally powerful a while back and
you and it was about Costa Ricaand you were talking about why
you felt like you need, you hadthe need to come back to
Vancouver or Victoria where youcurrently reside and you had
said that in a lot of theseplaces and I'm, you used Costa
Rica as an example, but I'mgoing to use, you know, maybe
like a Thailand or an Indonesiaor a Spain or Portugal, this

(14:26):
idea of going to a sunnydestination doing way less is
going to be fulfilled.
You said that there's, you weresurrounded by people that were
waiting for life to come tothem.
And you needed to be in anenvironment that people went and
got life.
And talk to me a little bitabout that concept where it's
great to do things that slow youdown.
It's great to do things that aregood for you, like workout and
yoga, but what's the intention?
What are you driving to?

(14:47):
Cause if that's all you do, andthere's no purpose and there's
no I don't want to say end game,but there's no consistent climb.
There's no consistent growth.
There's no consistent, you know,getting better at whatever it is
you want to get better at.
You kind of still feel stuck.
You're just.
Maybe in a sunnier destination,and that's not really gonna
solve your problem.
So talk to me a little bit aboutthat, about rather than waiting

(15:07):
for life to come to you, yougoing to get life.

Cam (15:11):
What I found being a digital nomad for five years,
traveling around was a lot ofpeople are running.
A lot of people are avoiding alot of people think that an
environmental change externallywill change an environmental
state internally.
And that's not true.
that isn't true.

(15:33):
The only thing that is real isour internal world.
And so, you know, travelingaround and going to all these
places, I met a lot of peoplethat were running that were
hoping that running would sorttheir problems out, or they got
caught in thinking healing wasthe answer and just kept healing

(15:53):
and healing and healing andhealing and healing and healing
and doing a hundred ayahuascaceremonies and thinking that
that was going to do it ordoing, you know, breath work
every day and thinking that thatwas going to do it or hiring 50
coaches and thinking that wasgoing to do it.
And what I realized is is ifwe're living in reactivity, then

(16:14):
we're screwed.
The simple as that, if we'rerunning from something out of
reaction, or if we're trying toheal from something out of
reaction, or if we're trying to,you know, create a business out
of reaction, then it's not goingto be a reflection of who we
are.
It's, it's a reflection of whowe want to be to avoid something
else.
Right.
So regardless of where I was inthe world, if we're reacting to

(16:39):
our circumstances, we are notintentionally creating our
lives.
And what I'm looking at formyself now, because really
that's, that's all I can trulyspeak of is, is myself.
I want to figure out who I am ona deeper level every single day.

(17:02):
I don't care about what I createanymore.
I don't care about what I build.
I don't care about the moneythat I have in the conventional
sense.
What I care about is how can Ibecome more of myself?
And if more of myself isfinancially abundant or running
a successful business, doing allthose things, great, but it has

(17:24):
to be in perfect alignment withwho I am and what I realized
kind of speaking to your pointof all these people that were
waiting for life to come tothem.
They didn't know their needs.
They didn't know their values.
They weren't setting targetsbased on those components.
And ultimately they had nodirection in really where they

(17:46):
were going.
And you get a lot of this in thespiritual world.
You get a lot of people that arelike, Oh, I'm doing spiritual
work.
So that's my purpose yet.
They're not of service.
Right.
And they're struggling to makemoney and they're frustrated
because they don't have, theycan't pay rent and they're in
this fragmented state.
And you're like, well, Okay.
Is that really who you want tobe?

(18:06):
Is that who you are?
Because it doesn't sound likethere's an intentional creation.
It sounds like you're livingfrom reactivity, right?
So moving now into going afterpurpose, going after goals,
going after life, it's, it's aninside job.
It's figuring out who I am atthe deepest level, what I really
need, what I really value andcreating the freedom to live

(18:28):
that way.
And as long as I'm constantlydoing that, then great.
And what I realized in CostaRica was.
I don't want to just wake up andsurf and live on the beach all
day.
That's great.
But my big part of my, who I amis to be of service to people
that I can help.
I didn't understand Costa Ricanculture.

(18:50):
I'm not Costa Rican.
I couldn't go to the prisonsthere and empathize with the
poverty.
I never had that.
I couldn't talk to people aboutwhat it was like to grow up in a
shack that's now being pushedout by, you You know, a multi
million dollar hotel.
I, I don't know anything aboutthat.
So I realized that I wasn't ableto really be myself there

(19:13):
because I couldn't understandenough about how people were
living to be of service.
And so I came back here becauseI, I can work in prisons here.
I've to prison here.
Well, Juvie here, right?
I've, I've been involved in thedrug game here.
I have friends that are still init here, right?
I can relate to men who arereally busy, who, you know,

(19:35):
don't really know where thisworld's going or what to do with
the political situation here.
Right?
So what I realized is that Ineeded to be somewhere that was
more in alignment with who I wasand how I wanted to show up and
how I wanted to serve thisworld.
And so I came back as opposed tokind of living this retired life
before I really brought forthwhat I wanted to bring through.

Alfred (20:00):
That's really cool.
That reminds me of there's avideo going around on social
media about Denzel Washington.
He's promoting the new gladiatormovie.
He's in that new gladiatormovie.
I haven't seen it yet.
I definitely got to go see it.
And he talks and he's talking tothis girl and he's kind of
almost acting like hertherapist.
And she asked him at one point,but he says, the first part of
your life, you learn the secondpart of your life, you earn, and

(20:22):
the third part of your life, youreturn.
And that was a really coolconcept.
So that's the, you might want tocheck that one out.
I'll send it to you when we'redone.
If you haven't seen it yet.
And that's a really cool conceptand talking about people's
intention and, you know,aligning their values and all
that I want to bring toLimelight, one of the simple
services you offer on yourwebsite and body.
co is the five bodies and thefive body assessment.

(20:44):
And I want you to kind of sharethat because the first time I
took it was shortly after we metin Costa Rica.
I'm like, what's this guy allabout?
He's kind of cool.
He's got all these offerings andstuff, but because you were in
Costa Rica, I almost felt likeyou were out of reach.
So I was.
Pretty stoked when you came backto Western Canada in your short
flight away.
I was kind of, I was jazzed atthat.
No, no doubt.
But talk to me about the fivebodies, kind of the concept
around that and how people cangain value out of it.

(21:06):
Cause I think it goes to exactlywhat you're speaking.
If people aren't really sure, orif they're kind of in this dark
cloud of, you know, you know,struggling with their morality
and their values and you knowcollateral damage in their life
because they have Maybe they'rerelied on and they're a pillar
in their family so they're inthis hyper earn mode because
that's their best way to supportfamily or vice versa where Maybe
they were let go and they don'thave an abundance in that way So

(21:28):
they're going down downhill andtheir trajectory's in the wrong
direction The five bodies seemto really summarize that really
well.
So touch touch on that.
Please.
I think that's really valuable

Cam (21:37):
Definitely.
So the five bodies are nothingnew.
I can't take credit for that.
They're just my version of thekoshas in yoga.
You know, that I learned fromsad guru.
But what I realized when Istarted studying the koshas, Is
I started realizing that my lifefollowed kind of that pathway of

(21:58):
evolution and and what I startedthinking about was okay.
Well, why did I follow thatpath?
Why did it work for me?
And ultimately, how can I use itto help others?
And so the five bodies, the bestway that I describe it is, is,
you know, life, life is kind oflike a hunt, right?
We're always kind of hunting andI like the warrior archetype.

(22:19):
So I use hunting as a greatexample.
When we're hunting, we have tofigure out what our target is.
Right?
So that's step number one, thatbefore we even get into the five
bodies, we got to understandwhat our target is.
Right.
And this is where you got tounderstand your needs.
Right?
You got five kids at home.
You're not going turkey hunting,right?

(22:41):
You need a moose, right?
You got to understand yourvalues.
You got to understand, you know,how this plays into the bigger
picture.
And then once you get to thatpoint, you know what your needs
are and your values are, you canactually start to pick a target
on what kind of animal you wantto hunt.
That's where the five bodiescome in.
Once we've decided and we knowwhat we're hunting, then the

(23:05):
first step is you got to getphysically strong.
Right?
You're not throwing a spear,pulling that arrow back on a bow
without physical strength.
So you gotta get physicallystrong.
And the first thing that I didwhen I was going through my
journey was I started workingout in Juvenile Detention.
I was taught how to redirectenergy into training.
So I, I had to get my physicalbody in order.

(23:29):
The second thing that we have todo when we're on a hunt, once
we've pulled that bow back andwe're staring at that target, is
we gotta get focused.
Right.
So this is the mental body.
This is staying focused on thetarget that we are aiming at.
When I was getting out of thatworld in my life, I had to stay
focused on washing dishes,wanting to be a prep cook,

(23:49):
wanting to be a line cook,wanting to work my way up in the
kitchen so that I could leavethat world behind.
So I had to stay focused.
ruthlessly focused.
I had to keep training and stayfocused.
The third thing is, is theenergy body.
So if we're hunting and we'vepulled back the bow and we're
focused on the target, the nextthing that we got to do is we
got to be able to see thetrajectory of the arrow, right?

(24:10):
We got to take wind intoaccount, rain into account,
movement of the target intoaccount.
We've got to take our huntingparty into account.
We've got to be aware of wherethat trajectory is going so we
can ultimately hit it.
And so for me, my vision when Iwas washing dishes and getting
out of the game became I want togo finish high school.
I want to go back and graduate.
Right?
So that became the focal pointof like my direction of where I

(24:32):
wanted to go.
The fourth thing is theemotional body.
So once the bow is pulled back,we're focused on the target.
We see the trajectory of thearrow.
The fourth piece is we got toharness the emotions, right?
If we get too excited and werelease too quick, we're going
to miss.
If we hesitate and we releasetoo late, we're going to miss.
If we get frustrated and weshoot out of anger, we're going

(24:55):
to miss, right?
So we got to learn to integrateour emotions into becoming more
focused, more dialed and betterat hitting targets.
And for me, my challenge was Ialways fought.
So I had to learn to regulate.
My emotions when I was trying toget out of the game, because
otherwise I'd be thrown back inprison, right?
Or juvie, but it would have beenprison at that time because I

(25:16):
was over 18.
And then finally, the last pieceof the puzzle is you got to, we
got the spiritual body, thefifth piece of the puzzle.
So we've pulled back the bow.
We've locked into the target.
We see the trajectory of thearrow.
We've harnessed our emotions.
And then what's left to do.
We got to release the arrow.
We got to trust.
We got to put our faith in Godthat we've done everything that

(25:36):
we possibly can to ultimatelyhit that target perfectly.
And in my opinion, a fulfillinglife is perpetually being on the
hunt, hunting different targets.
different creatures and evolvingas a warrior, evolving as a man,
evolving as an individual.
And when we do that, we becomeunstoppable and you have to

(25:59):
constantly work on those fivebodies in tangent to get better
and better at them, to getbetter at hitting targets.
So that's how we incorporate thefive bodies into, you know,
needs, values, and ultimatelytargets.

Alfred (26:13):
Yeah, that's really good.
I love the warrior.
Archetype as well, how you'rewording that, I feel it's very
primal, speaks to me as a man.
And I really enjoy that.
I think you could use thatmetaphor in almost anything in
life in terms of however youwant to, you know, go after
whatever it is that you're goingafter, an animal, a career,
women, whatever it may be.
The one thing I like about itis, and you didn't really say
anything And you're explainingof the five bodies is what

(26:36):
currently tells people thatthey're on the right track
didn't talk about your status,didn't talk about your income,
didn't talk about your, youknow, are you in Beverly Hills?
Are you in Compton?
You didn't talk about thatstuff, right?
Because it's, it's, I don't wantto say it's completely
irrelevant, but it's nowherenear as important.
And I think the physicalcomponent is where you really
bring in your area of focusbecause that I think that is the

(26:58):
foundation.
It's the reason why you saidit's the first one, right?
If you were to work yourselfbackwards and you were to have
faith and spiritual trust thatit's gonna go the right way, but
you did nothing else to ensurethat the a, that the arrow, you
know, went where it's supposedto go to, to piggyback on your
metaphor, you're not as likelygonna hit your target.
You're likely gonna miss a lot,and there's, there's a good
chance that at one point you'regonna get disincentivized, even

(27:20):
wanna try.
Right.
So then you're either going tooutsource, or you're just not
gonna be able to do what you'recalled to do.
And then same thing in themiddle, right?
You're emotional.
If you're, if you're anemotional person and you don't
have your shit in order oryou're very reactive, or you
don't know what's going tohappen when it, when it happens
and you live, you know, Withanxiety with the future, I'm
unsure.
Or you live with depression orlike, but I failed in the past

(27:43):
and stuff.
You got to have it in check.
Right.
But I love the physical aspectbecause this is something that
I'm struggling with.
You know, I'm not physicallyanywhere near where I want to
be.
By all metrics And it'ssomething I want to focus on.
And I've been struggling on howto get there.
And your warrior games were aneye opening thing for me.
And we can talk about that here.
Cause I think you have a new, anew set of warrior games coming
up that I want to encouragepeople to check out.

(28:06):
It's so much more powerful doingit with other people suffering
as a group.
And going through the shit, anddoing the running challenge, and
the push up challenge, and allthat shit that we did.
It was ruthless.
It was fucking ruthless.
And, doing it with other people,and seeing the Taigas of the
world, shut up Taiga.
Doing it with the world, andjust like, him being a physical

(28:27):
specimen that he is, at the agethat he is.
I mean, we, we address like,damn, that's so good.
We, you lift each other up,right?
You set new, Baselines, right?
You're motivated by people'syou're motivated by people's
accomplishments, but you're alsodriven by other people's
struggles when you're given in ain a very Small microcosm the

(28:48):
ability to be called up throughother people and you have this
window You're more likely to doit because it's for others.
There's this band of brothersmentality That is very demonized
nowadays.
I actually just had a discussionYou With a girl that gave me
some feedback on a podcast Ireleased this week with my wife.
It was super powerful.
A lot of feminine energy aroundthat and people were saying, you

(29:10):
know, soft approaches andinquisitive about how we do
certain things and talking to aguy like you and especially the
men in the warrior games.
I was privileged to experiencethat with.
You can be brutally honest witheach other.
You can kind of get to thepoint.
You can get rid of.
You know, the smoke and mirrorsand just get right at it.
And it's like, you know, one ofthe guys in the circles had eye

(29:31):
surgery.
He's like, I can't do what I'msupposed to do.
And everyone else is like, gotyou.
No problem.
And Simon Sinek had a reallycool.
Concept that I talked about witha friend of mine about how to
build trust and women are somuch better at this than men,
and this is something that wehave to address as men, is you
build trust by asking for help,not for offering help, right?

(29:52):
And, and it's hard for me as aman to ask a woman, To pull me
up, to ask my daughters, to askmy wife, to ask my wife's
friends.
It's the men in my life thatbrought me to my new levels,
period.
End of story.
Women may have balanced me out,may have given me maybe my
softer corners and allowed me tomaybe get.

(30:12):
A bit more, you know, even keeland live in the median, but my
most euphoric moments and myhardest moments were with men,
period, end of story.
And I'm thankful for that.
And I feel like there's so manyissues like that.
That men are struggling withnowadays, but that's a big one.
That is a big one.
Is this lone wolf syndrome.

(30:34):
It's going around online.
You know, if anything negativein your life, cut it out.
If you have a friend thatdoesn't call you, don't call
them.
You're unintentionally isolatingyourself, thinking that this
jackass that lives in Californiatelling you how you need to live
your life and cultivate yoursocial circles, this
motherfucker is getting paid 10,000 a seminar.
Like, he is not the guy you wantto listen to, to get yourself

(30:58):
out of a funk in terms of yourcircle, in terms of your support
network.
Because doing it alone, Whileyes, it's possible, and you kind
of have to start there, you kindof have to build yourself up to
a degree, you need to do it as acoll as a as a collective, man.
It has to be done as acollective.

Cam (31:15):
Mm hmm.
Yeah, I cou I couldn't agreemore.
It's a it's a challenge, right?
And and I, you know, as someonethat had to leave my friends at
a younger age to get my shit inorder, I do understand the
premise of moving away frompeople.

(31:35):
And at the same time, we don'twant to isolate ourselves for
too long.
Like I, I really feel likethere's a lot of work to do as
men inside on our own, butthere's a, there's a a window in
which we do that.
And if we go past it, it can bevery troublesome.

(31:58):
You know, like for me, I do, Igo and I sat ayahuasca by
myself.
I went, you know, I go on tripsby myself.
I've traveled a lot by myself.
I've spent a lot of time in thejungles by myself.
And those have been some of themost powerful, profound moments.
But what I've learned is, is youneed the other side, you need

(32:22):
the squad, you need the crew.
You need to have, That communityon the other side to welcome you
back in you know, it's like yougo into the jungle to learn and
then you get welcomed back in bythe village.
You go to the jungle to learn,you get welcomed back in by the
village.
And it's that duality that Ithink is so important, but kind

(32:44):
of parallel to the way that thewhole world's going is there's
these, you know, Polarizingviews where people are now like,
I don't know who that is onsocial media that you're talking
about, but there's millions ofor hundreds of them, thousands
of them, but there's this energyof like, you need to be alone.
You need to just do it.
You need to get rid ofeverybody.
You need to isolate.
You need to cut out.
And it's kind of like, okay,well, Maybe for a while, but

(33:08):
then you need to come back, andyou need to open your heart, and
you need to make true lastingconnections with people.
Otherwise, you're going to besuccessful, and you're going to
be alone.
You're going to have money andno one to share it with.
You're going to be looking atsunsets and talking to yourself
for the rest of your life.
You know, so it's really the artof Intentionally, once again,

(33:29):
stepping into the jungle to doyour inner work on your own, to
go on your warrior missions.
And then it's coming back outinto the village and being with
your people and, and, you know,really cultivating those deep
connections.
So really finding that dualityand, we're living in a world now
where duality is becoming harderand harder to see.

(33:49):
There's just polarity, polarity,polarity, and this is a problem.
Because we are, we are dualbeings, right?
You have winter, you havesummer.
You have sun, you have rain, youhave happy, you have sad.
We need isolation, we needcommunity.
We need to have these things inbalance and a lot of the mental

(34:11):
health challenges that arecoming up are because we're
either too deep in our communitythat we can't think for
ourselves or we're too alonethat we don't have any
perspective, right?
And so we get caught in this tugof war.
So I, I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree more.

Alfred (34:27):
It's this thing where I find people and you said it
perfectly.
It, it, everything's polarized.
You can't have both, right?
The concept of there can't belight without darkness.
It's either you're one or theother.
You can't live, you know, Youknow, a balanced life.
It's, you know, to go back topolitics because it's easily
digestible.
You're conservative or you'reliberal.
You're Republican or Democrat.
It's like, you know, you're wokeor you're non woke.

(34:48):
It's this duality where it'slike, you can kind of live in
both.
Both have value.
You know, there's a positive anda negative side to a battery for
a reason.
If you only have one or theother, it doesn't fucking work.
Right?
Period.
You know, and that's that that'sprobably the best way to
understand it is there has to bethis ability To kind of live, I
don't want to say a dual lifebecause that's incorrect, but
just be able to take what youneed to get to where you want to

(35:11):
go from, from all differentmodalities and how it's so if
like, if you want to be toosoft, like they do in Costa Rica
and wait for life to come toyou, but you might get a value
out of meditation.
You might get value out of yoga.
You might get value out ofbreath work.
And it's just this extra step.
It's this extra experienceyou're gaining to get to where
you want to go.
And my issue over the last fewyears is I've just been, I have

(35:34):
my hand in too many cookie jarsis, is I'm very confident.
I know where I want to go.
It's just, I'm a so abrasive tothe immediate negative impacts
that it's going to cause both meand other people around me.
And, and it's, it's so difficultand I want to touch on it when
it comes to money because moneyis a big one, right?

(35:54):
Everyone needs to be money.
You need to make 10 figures of10, 000 a month.
You need to make six figurebusiness, drop shipping online,
all this crap you need to, youknow, you need to have multiple
side hustles and all this stuff.
And I know for me, I'm way tooattached to money.
And I'm slowly finding myselfdetaching.
I found myself when I didn'thave a clear vision or a clear

(36:17):
mission, I'd be on Facebookmarketplace looking for a car I
could flip, or I'd be, or I'dwant that new materialistic
thing that I haven't really hadcause I've worked hard enough to
get it.
And I'm so attached with that,that.
Items and what people see fromthe outside is a direct
reflection of me when I'm nowassociating that negatively.

(36:41):
I almost look at the liftedtruck as like, man, hope that
guy's doing okay.
Or I look at that person withthe Rolex, but I also look, it's
like marriage is shit, man.
Like, I hope you're doing allright.
And talk to me a little bitabout, as men, because we're
called to provide and protect,biologically, whether that's
through money or through justphysicality or whatever it may

(37:03):
be, and we're no longer asrooted in our tribes and rooted
in our social circles, and we'rereally lone wolfing it more than
we ever have.
Our attachment to money seems toreally be hurting us and that's
my perspective.
I kind of want to get yourperspective of how does money
play into the, let's use thefive bodies for example, right?

(37:23):
It's not one of the five bodies.
It's not one of the things thatyou really need to focus on to
build a good foundation.
But if you're married to it,it's going to be really hard to
integrate that in something thatit really doesn't belong there.

Cam (37:35):
Yeah.
Money's a, an interesting one.
And I like this question.
It's making me think money isn'ta part of the five bodies.
But it's a part of the valuesystem that I give to guys
before they go into the fivebodies.
So we have to address the topicof money cause it's abundance.
It's, it's the common currency.
It's, what we use to basicallyspin up energy.

(37:58):
Right.
And, and what we use toattribute value.
I love money.
I think money is fantastic.
I think it's beautiful, but I goby the philosophy of Yvonne
Schwenard and that is money isan amplifier.
Money is an amplifier.

(38:20):
If you have love in your heart,money's going to amplify that.
If you have fear in your heart,money's going to amplify that.
If you have insecurity in yourheart, money's going to amplify
that.
If you have scarcity in yourheart, doesn't matter how much
money you have, you're going toamplify that.
In fact, probably the more moneyyou make, the more scarce you're
going to get, right?
So it's understanding theenergetics of money that are

(38:41):
important.
And the problem that I see a lotof men fall into is they make
money, their purpose.
And when you make money, yourpurpose, you're in big trouble
because that means you attributeyour value as a human and the
amount of money that you make.
And so you're basically tryingto fill a hole your whole life,

(39:03):
trying to prove that you're moreand more valuable.
Every time you spend, you feelless valuable.
Every time you earn, you feelmore valuable.
And you get caught in thisdynamic of push and pull.
But the way that I look at moneyis money circulates energy.
Money supports us.
Money helps us create.
And so it's a very importantthing to look at, but the

(39:24):
important thing to look atisn't, isn't your relationship
to money.
It's, it's the thought or thefeeling, the sponsoring feeling
behind that, that is going toreally have.
The effect because I know somepeople that are wealthy beyond
means and it's the money doesn'tmake them happy.

(39:50):
They can, they have everythingin the world.
I work with people that haveeverything in the world, boats,
cars, multiple houses, travelall the time, any designer
clothes you could ever want.
Money didn't bring themfulfillment knowing themselves.
Sticking to their values didright.
I also know very, very wealthypeople who are very connected to

(40:12):
who they are and they absolutelylove their money and they have
tons of fun with it.
And they're, they're extremelyfulfilled on the flip side.
I know people who are poor, whoare struggling, who don't know
themselves and feel likeabsolute shit.
And I know people who are poor,who know themselves and they're
totally at bliss and totallyfulfilled.

(40:32):
Money is irrelevant.
It's all about how you see itplay a role in your life.
and really connect to how itrelates to you as a person.
The challenge is we havemarketing, we have media
channels, we have all thisbullshit being fed to us all day
long saying, buy this, buy that,or you're not this, or you're

(40:53):
not that.
And so we got to understand themechanism that's taking place
here.
We are being fed to believe thatmoney is either the root of all
evil or the ultimate freedom.
But it's neither.
It's whatever we make it to be.
And so if we sit there and wego, well, money's the root of
all evil, then of course it'sgoing to be the root of all

(41:14):
evil.
And you're probably never goingto have enough of it because
you're subconsciously rejectingit.
But if you see money issomething that helps you get
your mission out, that helps youprovide for your family, that
helps you send your kids to theschool you want, they want to go
to, to, you know, create thelife they want to live, to buy
the land so you can get theminto the space away from the

(41:34):
chaos, whatever that is.
You're going to want to keepworking with that energy.
You're going to keep wanting tobe with that and foster that
because those are positiveoutcomes, right?
So it's less about money.
Money is this thing that wedecide on in our lives.
Like how do we associate to it?
What do we need it for and whatdo we use it for?

(41:56):
And then we deal with all thesubconscious bullshit we've
racked up over the years ofscarcity, fear, insecurity,
yada, yada, yada, right?
So really, really connecting into what money means to you is
the important piece of thepuzzle.
And remembering that it's goingto amplify whatever's inside of
you.
So the sponsoring thought is themost important piece of the

(42:18):
puzzle.
Are you making money from fear?
Are you making money from love?
If you're making money fromlove, it's going to amplify
that.
You're making money from fear.
It's going to amplify that.
That's how I see money.

Alfred (42:29):
There's definitely a certain attachment for me with
money.
We had a single income householdfor a long time and you know,
when you, when you wear that hatof, you know, sole provider and,
you know, judge jury execution,or when it comes to that
component of your immediatecircle I tend to put a lot of
pressure, right.
And I think justifiably so,right.
There has to be a degree of anamount brought in.

(42:50):
I think the big one that I'mfinding now is, and the argument
would likely be, there's a lotof external influences pushing
us to the limit of income.
Because just life is expensive.
Everything's getting expensive.
I'm a big, purveyor of controlto controllables, and that's not
one of them, right?
I can't control the price ofgas, can't control interest

(43:11):
rates, can't control that shit,right?
But I think the word that comesto mind, I think I said it
earlier in this podcast iscontentment is, you know, be
okay to live well below yourcurrent means.
And I think that gives peopleflexibility, right?
You don't need the big house.
You don't need the big truck.
You don't need the big things.
You know, you don't need to goto nice fancy dinners every day.

(43:32):
There's kind of like a campaigngoing on at my work and we're
calling it the back to basicscampaign.
We talk about soft skills withinour industry that we're losing
over time because we're becomingso reliant on programs and we're
becoming so reliant on basicallynon human shit.
And that can really lead into anAI discussion, which we don't
need to, I actually don't wantto get into today, but just

(43:53):
learning the fundamentals ofbasics.
You know what I mean?
Knowing that the guy onlinethat's selling you six minute
nabs.
He didn't get his abs in sixminutes.
You got to get back to basics.
You kind of almost want to haveto do the long journey.
Right?
You almost kind of want to, Iwant this to take a long time, I
want this to be difficult, Iwant this to have to make me
overcome my fear mountain kindof thing, right?

(44:15):
Because I've been guilty ofthat.
Is, everything is so efficient.
You know, it's all about gettingthe most out of doing the least.
And I fucking hate thatmentality.
I hate it.
I can't stand it.
The, the best things I've donewere the things that were the
most challenging that took along time, things that I had to

(44:36):
cultivate over days, months,years.
It felt better than getting itjust, just because, or buying it
because I can.
It tastes different.
It feels different.
And the fear one is the big onefor me because fear wraps itself
around uncertainty, aroundanything and everything.
If you, if you fucking hate yourjob.

(44:57):
Or you don't like yoursurroundings or you are just
petrified to have theconversation you've been putting
off for a long time, man, youwill feel so much better when
you overcome that fuckingmountain.
But I know for me, I lived withthat insecure fear for years,
for years.
I was scared of what my imagewould look like.

(45:19):
If I did something, I was scaredof the ramifications of a
decision that I knew I had tomake.
Maybe somebody else would sufferbecause of it, or maybe it
wouldn't be The result I wanted,and I didn't have the mindset
of, well, if I crash and burnhere, it's not the end of the
line.
And there's a very famous sayingwhere it says, if you start

(45:40):
over, you're not starting fromthe beginning.
You're starting from experience,meaning every failure is a new
building block.
You're not starting back.
Like if I started, if I went tothe gym for the first time, 10
years ago, and I quit for a longtime and I go back, I'm not the
same person I was.
That experience is going to becompletely different.
And maybe you can talk aboutthis of, and cause you've

(46:03):
probably seen men do this isfirst of all, men just reaching
out to you was probably a fearcomponent.
You know, people reaching outfor help is just be like, Holy
shit.
I can't believe I'm at thispoint where I'm just like, I
can't do this.
I'm not a man, or I can't dothis.
I have to drop my walls, thatfear aspect in any component of
their life, but just overcomingfear.
How important is that for peopleto really understand that you

(46:23):
got to do it.
To really get to where you wantto go if you're not happy in
your current situation.

Cam (46:32):
Yeah.
Fear is the guidepost.
That's the way we got to look atit.
And where we're afraid is, iswhere the lessons lie.
The challenge is you have to bea type of person to see that.
Right.
The challenge with the worldright now is most people are
blissfully ignorant because it'sa lot easier.

(46:53):
You know, it's the whole, it'sthe whole red pill syndrome.
Once you take the red pill andyou start realizing that you're
driving the ship, no moreexcuses, right?
When people hesitate because offears, because they don't want
to admit that they're really theonly thing that could solve

(47:13):
whatever's making them scared.
They want to think it'sexternal.
So if you're coming up againstfear and you're letting fear
dictate your decisions.
That's generally a byproduct ofyour lack of clarity of where
you want to go and lack ofconfidence to get there.
Right.

(47:34):
Because it's that uncertainty.
So let's try to use it as anexample for me.
When I decided to, pursue thiscoaching business and really
immerse myself in Easterntraditions and move to Bali and
learn as much as I could, I hadtwo grand in my pocket.

(47:55):
And I was like, I'm going tomove to Bali indefinitely with
2000 bucks in my pocket.
And I had made a ton of money infinance.
I'd spent it all.
It was just a mess.
Like it, it was a mess, but Iwent, fuck it.
I know there's something on theother side of this.
So I'm going to trust that.
And to me, that's the key is youjust kind of have to say, fuck

(48:18):
it.
And you have to do it, but youhave to know why you're doing
it.
And if you know why you're doingit, then you accept the
consequences of doing it.
Right?
So a lot of people say, well, Idon't want to change.
I can't change my career becausemy family, well, what's on the
other side of you scrape in thebarrel for six months, eaten

(48:40):
rice and beans.
What's on the other side ofthat.
If the potential is you'regiving your family a life that
you never thought you could dobefore because of an opportunity
that you've become aware of.
Makes eating rice and beans forsix months a lot easier.
If it means selling the houseand downsizing and going into a

(49:01):
small apartment, then you'regoing to do it, but you have to
understand why you can't just doit for the sake of it.
And this once again, comes backto knowing who you are, knowing
what you're creating and knowingwhere you want to go.
It's having the right target,right?
So, so really tuning into thatis, is key.
Because fear, if you have a, ifyou have a Y that's big enough

(49:24):
that, there's a quote byNietzsche who says, a man with a
Y to live for can accomplishanyhow.
A man with a Y to live for canaccomplish anyhow.
If your Y is big enough, you cando whatever it is.

(49:48):
But if you don't have a bigenough Y, then you're not gonna
be able to do it.
So I did that when I moved toBali, I, when I left the game
back in the day and walked upthe front stairs of my mom's
house with a garbage bag in myclothes over my shoulder and not
a dollar to my name to fullyadmit that I wasn't working on
the rigs, that I'd been sellingdrugs, that I was, you know, had

(50:08):
two houses in crack town,downtown East side.
Like, the only reason I did thatis because my why was powerful
enough.
And the only reason I've endedengagements was because my why
was so powerful enough.
The only reason I packed mystuff and left Canada during
COVID was because my why waspowerful enough.

(50:30):
And people say to me a lot,like, well, you don't have kids.
You don't have, you don'tunderstand.
I don't have kids out of choicebecause my journey doesn't
really align to having childrenright now because of how much
I'm wanting to serve and belimber.
But I have a ton of clients,tons of clients and I've worked

(50:53):
with hundreds of clients withkids who have done astronomical
stuff, astronomical stuff.
I had one client who had to getout of a narcissistic
relationship and she was Amother who had to leave four
kids with the narcissistic dadfor five months to get away so
that she could come back toherself.

(51:15):
Like, think about that.
As a mother, you have to leaveyour kids with a man that you
hate and that is awful so thatyou could get the power to go
back and fix it to ultimatelyget your kids and bring them
into an environment that servedthem.
Most mothers would cringe at thesound of that, but she
understood what she needed to dobecause She knew that she

(51:37):
couldn't do it where she was andit was her idea.
It wasn't mine.
It came to her eventually.
Right?
But what I'm getting at here is,is we're, we're professionals at
giving our making excuses, butthat's just because we don't
understand our why enough.
If we understand our why and ourtarget at a deep level, we'll

(51:58):
make the sacrifices required.
Most people are like, well, Idon't want to downsize the house
and this and that.
And it's like, well, Then you'renot going to get what you want
necessarily.
So what are you willing tosacrifice to get where you want
to go?
That's the big question.
And a lot of people ask me,they're like, wow, you, you
know, you'd be such a good dad.
I, I have sacrificed not havingkids to serve, to move, to

(52:22):
learn, to go into all thesethings.
And that's a sacrifice I'vemade.
And now I'm at the age that I'mat, I might not have them, which
I had to make peace with.
Right?
So every single decision isgoing to come with an element of
fear.
It's your why and your targetthat's going to give you the
energy to overcome that fear andlearn from that fear and use

(52:45):
that fear to get where you wantto go.

Alfred (52:48):
You're reminding me of John Cena.
I don't know if you know abouthis story, if you've ever
watched podcasts with him or, orinterviews with him.
For those that don't know, JohnCena is the number one.
Fulfiller of Make A WishFoundation.
I think he's done over 750 MakeA Wish fulfillments and people
grill him all the time about nothaving children because he does
Make A Wish.

(53:08):
Like, it's one of those thingswhere like, he's of service, why
wouldn't you do this?
And it's really interestingbecause I'm on the other side
where I'm like, I actuallyregret not having more kids.
I'm actually expecting onecoming up here in March, but I
wish I would have had more kids.
And my mindset is, I might bethe most impactful person of my
generation, but eventually I'mnot going to be here.

(53:30):
And I think the best way to dothat is to raise people in my
environment and cultivate themto be the next ones.
There's an individuality, likeif they're not called to it, it
is what it is.
If they, if they look at me andlike, man, you're kind of a coop
dad, fuck off.
Like, okay, well you do youkiddo, like whatever.
I want to guide you and give youthe tools.
But at the end of the day theworld is your oyster have at
her.
So I'm a little bit differentthan that, but I love that

(53:50):
perspective because I mean,whatever, your challenge is
different than my challenge.
You know, kids might be myhurdle, but.
You know, you might have reallybig clients that are relying on
you to be a certain thing.
And you might be like, man, I'm,I kind of need to rebrand.
I kind of need to, you know,maybe shift focus.
Or, you know, when you leftCosta Rica, you might've had
some clientele down there andyou're like, I kind of got to do

(54:11):
this.
It's, it's the same fear, justpackaged differently, I think.
But I kind of want to ask, like,all that being said, with
people's why, because I want toget into an event that you're
hosting, because I want you totalk about it, because I think
it's amazing.
I think it's revolutionary.
I think I've seen the gearsturning.
When you were planning thatevent during the warrior games,
when you went down to see thegoat, Tony Robbins, I feel like

(54:33):
you kind of almost looked at it.
You're like, yeah, that that'swhere the sauce is for sure.
But before we dive into that,you talk about people's values,
people's wise, before we getinto the, into the, into the
five bodies and all that sort ofthing real quick, what's.
A direction somebody can take,or maybe it's a mindset shift.
How do people find the why?

(54:55):
Cause like when I look at anInstagram reel of somebody
living in Portugal, doingdropshipping, I kind of want to
do that.
That kind of sounds cool, but itdoesn't speak to me.
I've never thought about ituntil I watched that 15 second
video.
So it's really not rooted inanything.
Right.
So really, how do you get tothat baseline of like, this is
what I want to do?

Cam (55:15):
Yeah, it's a big question.
And there's no easy answer toit.
There's no pill for it excepthard work, which, you know,
isn't, isn't the most sellableproduct.
You know, ayahuasca won't do itfor you.
What are you talking about?
No, definitely not.
She'll help.
And for some people, she'll giveit to you, but for some, no for

(55:38):
me, the Y.
So there, there's, there's kindof four different components
here.
There's our needs, there's ourvalues, there's our purpose, and
there's our Y.
Right.
And I think Y and purpose canget.
can get kind of mixed matched.
There are two very differentthings in my opinion.

(55:59):
You know, understand your needs,understand your values, go after
value based targets.
And in my opinion, that's howyou stay on purpose.
If you're acting from who youare and you're going after value
based targets that are inalignment with your, like truly
your values that you've defined,that you've adopted, that you
know, are, are 100 percentyours, then you're on purpose.

(56:23):
The why is.
what you use to wake up everysingle day to do the work, to
get that purpose and to not letanything get in the way of it.
So your why is almost the thingwhen you wake up and you go, I
don't want to fucking do thistoday.
Cause we all have those days.
I have those days.

(56:45):
My why is what makes me go giddyup, get it done.
And so the way that I look at awhy and Simon Sinek's a great
avenue for this, right?
So I'm not, you know, he's thewhy guy, but I, I kind of look
at it, I look at it in threecomponents.
The first component is What haslife taught you?

(57:08):
What pivotal moment in your lifereally created a level of
direction for you?
You know, for me, it was goingto juvenile detention at 14, you
know, and then being stuck inthat world for so long.
But that evolves, right?
Like it can be maybe for somepeople, it was during COVID they

(57:30):
had a Big moment of epiphany.
Maybe it was during the 2008crash, someone had a big moment
of epiphany.
It's a moment that really, trulychallenges you.
And then you tune into that.
What did that teach you?
And then you take that teachingand you apply it to Your life

(57:53):
today.
So as an example, if I go, whenI was put away in juvenile
detention at 14, I felt thisentrapment.
I felt like I was stuck andpeople, you know, handcuffed me.
I wasn't able to move.
I felt totally chained to myreality, right?
So that was the feeling that Ihad.

(58:14):
And then I go now and I say,okay, what's chaining me to this
reality?
Ah, my excuses, my excuse thatI'm tired or that I can't do it,
or I don't have enough money, orI don't have the skill or this
or that.
And I go, okay, I'm chainingmyself right now, like I did in
the past.
So I can bring awareness tothat.

(58:35):
And then I go, well, if I'mchained right now, then I'm
holding myself back from helpingother people.
And so it's up to me to breakthis chain right now so that I
can be of service to the world.
And that's the third component.
So you go something from thepast, you figure out how it

(58:58):
affects you and drives you now.
And then you attribute that tohow you're going to make the
world a better place.
And in my opinion, when you canfind those three components and
you can find how, what happenedin the past manifest now, and
then you can use the desire toserve others to help you really
move through it and push throughthat now, then you have a really

(59:19):
powerful why to move throughwhatever comes in your way.
Because as an example, wheneversomething comes up that I feel
limited by, I see the servicethat I want to give people on
the other side of that thing.
And I see the prison wall infront of me and I'm like, fuck
that.
Yeah.
No one's putting chains on meagain.

(59:40):
I am moving through this so thatI can serve and make this world
a better place.
So that's a why that will helpme accomplish anything.
And that's a why that will getme up every single day to do the
work, to be of service to theworld based on a past experience
of mine.
Right?
So it's a lesson that I learnedseeing how it manifests in that

(01:00:03):
moment.
And then ultimately tying it tohow I want to make this world a
better place.
And when you have thosecomponents, which take work to
find and awareness to call, likeyou have to cultivate a lot of
awareness to get to a pointwhere you can see the thing, see
it now and ultimately see howit's blocking you from getting
where you want to go to serve.

(01:00:24):
So that's the work.
But once you have that.
Excuses don't matter, right?
Excuses don't matter.
Like, if I wake up in themorning and I gotta go for a run
to just fire up the guys, and Igo, ah, it's raining, it's cold,
there's probably a cougar in thebog, fuck, I don't wanna go out
there.

(01:00:45):
Then I sit there and I go, I'mchaining myself to this reality,
like, I was chained when I wasyounger and I need to be of
service to my guys this morningcause it's a new week and I got
to show the fuck up for them.
Does the cold, does the wet,does the cougar matter?
No, it doesn't.
I go and I get it done becausethat's a part of my purpose.

(01:01:08):
So that's how I tie the Y intomy life and ultimately the work
that I do.

Alfred (01:01:14):
Amazing.
A part of me thought you weregoing to say, Stop smoking, stop
drinking, get more sleep, butthat's a way better answer,
which I'm sure that doesn't,that doesn't hurt either.
But

Cam (01:01:27):
no, but it's so much deeper than that, right?
Like those things are justsymptoms, that's the problem
with, people wanting to just dothose things.
Like they're great.
It's awesome to get rid of thosethings, but those symptoms,
they're not the actual, theactual root.
Your why addresses the root.
The why everyone's always askedme, like, cause I quit.

(01:01:48):
I smoked for years.
I quit.
I, I drank my whole life drunk.
I drunk, drank my whole life.
I quit.
Right.
English is my second language.
I did Coke for 12, 13 years.
Every weekend, at least I quitcold Turkey.
You just quit because the otherside matters more.
The why matters more.

(01:02:09):
The there's something thatmatters more.
So it's, it's like, this isirrelevant.
Goodbye.

Alfred (01:02:14):
Right.
Yeah.
I love it, man.
I'm not going to keep you heretoo much longer, but we got to
talk about this event you gotgoing on here, man.
Cause I'm buzzing about it.
I think it's fantastic.
We talked earlier about thewarrior games and doing things
as a collective.
I'm a purist at heart.
I'm a traditionalist at heart.
I think experiences and anythingof value done in person.

(01:02:35):
Is going to hold so much moreweight and be so much more
impactful than any zoom, anymovie, anything else that's not
in person when you can smellpeople, feel people, look at
people, hear people, theirbreath, their story, their
mannerisms, their body language,it's different.
And I wasn't that open mindeduntil I seen you come back from

(01:02:55):
Tony Robbins.
You were a different person.
You were offline to a degree,but you're still putting it in.
You're still grinding away.
You're still sending themidnight emails in the hotel
room while you're out theredoing your thing.
If you even got back to yourhotel room by midnight, it was
absolutely bananas.
I kind of feel the same way.
I look back at that men'sretreat doing things in person.
Cause I've, I have the Wim Hofapp I've listened to YouTube

(01:03:16):
tutorials, but man, when you dothings in person, it matters.
So tell people January 25th.
What's this event you got goingon?
What's it all about?
What can people expect?
Drop it.
Let's hear it.

Cam (01:03:29):
Yeah, I couldn't be more stoked to be honest about this
and and you're right Going toTony Robbins was a was an eye
opener for me.
I've always loved events.
I've ran retreats I've done allthat stuff, but I've never
really put a ton of energy intoit And I was at Tony and if
you've been to a Tony event oranyone listening has been to a

(01:03:50):
Tony event, they're crazy.
They're hype.
Like you're dancing, you'rescreaming, you're shouting.
You're like, he goes all out.
Like you are yelling what youare calling in at the top of
your lungs.
Everyone's freaking out.
It's chaos, right?
Like it's on a whole otherlevel.
And I love that.
That's how I like to do things.
And I taught, there was a guynext to me and I was talking to

(01:04:10):
him and he was like, man, Ihaven't felt this alive in like
years.
He's like, I'm dancing.
I'm moving.
I'm like connected to you guysis great.
And I sat there and I went, whydo I have to spend 10 K and take
a week of my time to go down toFlorida to get access to this?
I went, why?
So I sat there and I went, well,I'm not going to compare myself

(01:04:33):
to Tony Robbins because he'sTony Robbins and I'm cam
McDougal, but I'm good atbuilding energy.
I love putting on events.
And I see a big void in themarketplace for ones that are
fun, value driven, andultimately really create

(01:04:54):
opportunities for people.
And so I sat there and I wentback to my hotel room.
I started journaling and writingabout it.
And I came up with this conceptof, you know I was calling it, I
think like live limitless or Idon't remember something,
something like that before.
And my branding guy helped mecome up with we on the night,
but I wrote down, okay, how dowe have something that has the

(01:05:16):
energy of a concert, the valueof a seminar.
And the depth of a deep chatwith your friends in the sauna.
It's like, how do we createsomething that has that?
Because that's in my opinion,like what's really missing in
the event space.
And so we came up with theconcept.
We own the night.
It's going to be from 5 PM tomidnight plus.

(01:05:38):
I've got a bunch of awesomespeakers coming.
My mentor is coming to talk.
I'm going to be talking allabout the human mechanism, about
the subconscious, about, youknow, working with this
technology that we've beengiven, we've got a bunch of
exercises to connect people.
I'm working on getting a former.
Fighter pilot to come in and doa talk on focus.
Like, so there's going to be alot of valuable, really cool

(01:05:59):
things.
We've got a DJ coming in, youknow, Matt.
So there's going to be a vibe.
There's going to be energy.
There's going to be a bunch ofpeople there.
And so it's combining networkingwith personal growth and going
out to the club, and so I'minviting people to dress up.
swag out.
We got a bartender coming who'smaking mocktails all night.
So it's good.
There's not going to be booze.
It's not going to actually be aparty in that sense because we

(01:06:21):
want everyone to be at a peakstate.
We don't want anyone to be kindof subdued and we're going all
in.
We're going to play full out andwe're just going to have a
fucking blast.
And so this is kind of my, myplans to run this one in
Victoria.
Cause we've got our communityhere, work out kind of the, the
kinks of it, run one in, inVancouver, then run one in

(01:06:42):
Toronto and then hopefully takethis thing down to the States.
That's my plan in the end.
So yeah, that's, that's kind ofwhat we're working with and
that's the, the vibe of theevening.
And I couldn't be more pumped.

Alfred (01:06:55):
Where can people find more info on it?

Cam (01:06:57):
Yeah.
So we'll give you, we'll giveyou a link.
You can put it in the shownotes.
But yeah, it's basicallyembodied.
co slash we own the nightregistration.
Yeah, go check it out.
Visit it.
There's, there's a bunch of infothere.
You can also go to my Instagram,check out my Instagram.
I'm posting about it daily.
I'll be updating on speakers andvarious things coming in for the

(01:07:18):
evening.
And Yeah.
Hit me up.
Send me a message.
I'm the one that works my DMS onInsta.
So no worries there.
If you have any questions, letme know, but this is going to be
a great opportunity to drop inand have a blast.

Alfred (01:07:31):
That's awesome, man.
Sounds wicked.
And yeah, my one in personexperience with you was pretty
impactful.
So I can only imagine whatsomething like this, when you
have this amount of time to planand you own it, right.
Cause you were a guestfacilitator rather than it being
your event.
So I can only imagine the energythat's going to come from this.
So yeah, kudos to you, man.
That's going to be an amazingevent.
I'm stoked to to hear more aboutit and yeah, great stuff, man.

Cam (01:07:53):
A pleasure, my brother.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for asking.
The real questions.
Thank you for doing what you do.
It's an honor to speak with youhere, man.

Alfred (01:08:02):
Yeah.
Appreciate it.
Ton cam.
I'm not going to keep anylonger.
I know you're a busy man.
You got people's lives tochange.
Any final words for you to jetoff or you're good.
I am good, man.
Feeling very complete awesome.
All right.
Well, until next time, guys.
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