February 14, 2025 • 54 mins
In Episode 15, I have a great conversation with Mike Prince, our 2nd ever repeat guest on the show and man have things changed since our first episode (EP05). Mike has created an amazing business, The Conscious Creator, and through this Mike brings his gifts of breathwork, leadership and wisdom. We discuss balancing a passionate side business while also providing for yourself and your family. Likely a struggle many men can relate to.
"How does one turn their passion into a business", we discuss this exact topic as both Mike and I are in the struggle right now of wanting & trying to do just that.
Mike discusses his exclusive coaching program, The Remarkable Man. A program where in the first 30 days he walks you through a "detox". No sugar, no porn, no caffeine, no blue light & no alcohol, just to name a few things. This may sound polarizing and intimidating to most people. But just imagine where your life would be if you were able to be held accountable for all the vices and negative habits impacting your life. This is just the tip of the iceberg with his coaching program.
I also get the chance to talk about what I've dubbed "Initial Investment". We discuss how whenever you want to make a change in your life, whether it be with money, fitness, business, habits, relational, etc. The initial investment of time, effort and money required is substantial. So much so that when we don't see a return as soon as possible (which is what society tells us we need to receive) we tend to quit before any results or true measure of progress can be observed. But if you can hang on for the long haul, trust in yourself and make small adjustments along the way, your life will change for the better.
This was a fun episode and I hope you enjoy listening.
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Alfred (00:03):
Hey, everyone, and welcome to the unmodern podcast,
the podcast where we haveunscripted, unapologetic and
uncomfortable conversations thataffects everyday people.
If you've ever had an outlook,thought or an opinion that
modern day society told you tobe silent on.
That you would get in troublefor, or if you've ever heard the
words, probably shouldn't saythat, then this is the podcast
(00:24):
for you.
My name is Alfred, a husband,father, and an adventure seeking
kind of guy, who over the yearshas learned to have a positive
outlook on life, regardless ofwhat society throws at me.
So if you're ready to listen,let's go.
(01:02):
Mr.
Mike Prince.
Second repeat guest on thepodcast.
How you doing today, sir?
Mike (01:08):
Oh, Alfred, I've been looking forward to this,
brother.
It's a pleasure to be on hereagain.
It's been some time and lots hashappened in between.
So I'm excited to dive in, man.
Alfred (01:18):
Yeah, so much has changed.
I appreciate you so much forthat first episode diving into
your personal health journey.
Getting into holistics and allthat fun stuff.
But yeah, we're going toabsolutely dive into this one.
I'm really excited.
A lot of what we're going totalk about today, you're in the
middle of doing, and I'm in themiddle of wanting to do, so I
can't wait to leverage yourexperience and what you're, what
you have on the go.
(01:39):
It's going to be a good one.
Mike (01:41):
I'm excited, brother.
Thank you.
Appreciate you having me.
It's always such a pleasure todive in because I know you don't
hold back and and there'snothing I have to hold back.
I love being an open book andjust sharing the raw and the
real because I believe it, itserves other people and allows
us to grow in the process.
Alfred (01:56):
I love it.
I love it.
We're going to dive right inhere.
Had some really goodconversations with you over
socials.
Got some really jarringquestions that I want to dive
into and give people someperspective.
So to give people a little bitof a backstory.
Both you and I have a job, andthen we have side h side gigs,
or side hustle, as some peopletalk about.
You're in the middle of reallywanting to transition, and
(02:18):
really wanting to bring yourgifts to the world, and you're
doing it.
In a great, methodical,sustainable way, I know a lot of
the quote unquote masterminds onthere say rip the band aid, burn
the boat, so to speak.
That's a little harder to dowhen you got wife, kids, bills.
You know, it sounds great on thesurface, but when there's a
potential collateral damage,there is a risk there.
(02:38):
And, you know, maybe some peoplewould argue, you know, you have
to accept that risk and thatwould motivate you to drive even
further.
And there could be some merit tothat.
I don't know, it's 2025.
Things ain't getting cheaper.
You know, we want to make, wewant to keep a consistent growth
pattern forward and upwards.
So I love how you're doing this,man.
You're incorporating your sidepassion and your gifts with your
(03:00):
professional.
And I think it's just sostrategic.
I think it's so good.
So I would love for you to justdive right into people and talk
about that mindset of ifsomebody has a side hustle or a
side business, or even a passionproject that they do for almost
no money or no money at all.
How do they combat?
Those mental demons that they'refighting that I want to do this,
(03:25):
but I have to do it a certainway.
Talk to me a little bit aboutwhat kind of went through your
head wanting to make this changeand how you implemented
successful strategies oneventually getting there,
whatever your timeline is.
Mike (03:37):
Man, I love this question.
This is a massive one becauseit's ever evolving for me.
And yeah, as you know, I've beenon this journey now for years.
And in the beginning, it wasexactly as you said, you know,
and so was the advice from thosethat are already entrepreneurs
are like, just jump, just do it,man, just go.
But then, of course, I lookedaround and I'm like, well, I've
(04:00):
got two homes.
I've got a job.
To kids, I've got, right?
Like, that's not just cool.
I'll just produce X amount inthat revenue.
It doesn't happen that way.
Not when you don't have theknowledge built up the
expertise, build up the programsand it, none of it needs to look
perfect as you've witnessed.
I think that's where people getreally tripped up, right?
(04:20):
Is there like, okay, I have tohave it all or I have to have
none of it.
And so as I've let it unfold,I've.
I've learned really quicklythat, you know, I can have it
extremely messy as I go throughit.
I can build it as I go throughit, and I can gradually
implement the pieces that aregoing to create a foundation,
(04:44):
essentially, right to launchwhen the launch is ready and
strong enough and.
That's been my mindset.
Has there been zero anxiousnessalong the way of saying having
many moments where I'm like,okay, it's time to fucking jump.
Mike, it's time to jump.
Just do it.
No, that guy creeps in too.
(05:05):
Often saying, why don't you justdo it?
Because there is a fine balancethere.
100 percent of knowing you don'thave an exit plan.
You know, anybody with a, with asalary knows that, that, that is
a safety net for us, that issomething that keeps coming
biweekly that we know is goingto pay those bills, right?
(05:26):
And this is why I love comparingthe entrepreneurial journey.
To the spiritual journey becausethey are so, so closely tied.
There is nothing else that is sointimate with self that pulls at
us and brings us to the depthsof stress and darkness and
(05:48):
brings us to the highest ofhighs of love and bliss and
amazing relationships.
Right, because everything in ourbusiness is a reflection of our
personal life when it comes tohow much money we can make, how
fast we can grow.
All of these pieces are ourinterpersonal belief.
So yeah, I'm getting off track alittle bit there because I get a
passionate about this, but,essentially, for me now, it's
(06:11):
really looking at, I'm at thestage where, you know, I've,
I've, I've served many clientsboth, both free and just
creating value in group spacesand many paid clients now where
I've proven value and what I cando.
And so built that confidencewith myself over the years and
have tons of testimonials, allof it.
So now it's literally at aplace, strategic place where
(06:31):
it's okay.
Now, how close can we get tothat income replacement to
fully.
Launch, right?
And then knowing there's goingto be a next level then too,
because when I'm fully committedwhen I have all the time and all
the power, there's going to betwo things.
There's going to be, yeah, fullylaunch and go.
Nothing's holding me backanymore.
(06:52):
But there's also no excusesanymore.
There's also no safety net ofmoney anymore.
So there's going to be thatweight, if you will.
I don't see his weight.
It's exciting, man.
But double edged sword there.
Right?
So it's, it's, it's reallyexciting.
That's how I've looked at it,which is, is, I think, very non
traditional.
As you said, a lot of peoplejust say leap and, you know,
(07:12):
burn the boats and run fullsteam.
And though that's prettysometimes in reality, it's not
if you do that, and I, I knowfrom friends that have done it
as well, and every single 1 ofthem has told me that has
actually done that.
And not just heard how excitingit sounds.
They've said, I wish I waited.
Because the stress I had tocarry for X amount of time, the
(07:34):
savings I went, burned throughin getting to where I am, glad I
learned the lessons, glad I didX, Y, and Z, but I could have
done it in a smarter way.
And so that's where, I haven'talways had this patience, but
it's, man, has it served, asI've gone through this, to, to
really get to the place where,like, the superpower's there,
everything's lined up, now it'sjust a timeline.
Alfred (07:58):
Oh, I love every, every component of that, because it
resonates with me so much.
I've always had.
An entrepreneurial spirit a kindof a business component.
I haven't not had a sidebusiness for 11 years now
between the water sport rentalsthat me and you were introduced
with and then now doing thebusiness with my brothers.
And I've even had that questionfrom people.
They say, why?
(08:20):
I actually went to a businesscollab with a girl.
She has a similar side businessas me.
She'd be considered competitor,but she's on a different level.
And she basically, yeah, she'slike, what motivates you to do
this?
Like your plate is full, likehow, like, like why?
And I think it's kind of thatAndrew Tate model of like, I
feel like if I'm not doing, Iget in this like crippling state
(08:41):
of boredom, if that makes sense.
It's not that I don't want to bepresent for my family, or I
don't want to create socialcircles or be doing things.
If I have this creative spirit,I have this creative drive.
Of doing, creating, whetherthat's through financial income
or whether that's throughbuilding something or renovating
my house or whatever it may be.
There's this need for me to wantto create and the
(09:03):
entrepreneurial aspect of it is,is exactly that.
You're either creating service,you're creating value, you're
creating income, whatever it maybe.
You're in that constant stateof, you know, recycling and
creating and adapting.
That's a big one as well.
So I absolutely love that.
So I want to touch a little biton the family aspect and keeping
(09:24):
people in the loop and kind ofthose struggles that people
don't talk about when they whenthey say chase your dreams and
follow your dreams and do itlike anyway.
But before we do that, let'stouch into where you're at,
because I know last time wetalked about it, you were
wanting to do a lot of stuff andthere was maybe 20 percent of
everything but like you said nowyou have an established
(09:45):
Business.
You have that amazing homesteadthere in the Muskoka, which,
man, holy, I'm a fan.
And and you've, you've done alot of work since then.
So let's just refresh anybodywho's listening.
What do you do?
Mike (09:57):
Thank you, brother.
So And listen, I'll creep backto what you just said about
doing all the things when ourminds get quiet.
Right.
And for me, that's been mybiggest focus in the last 6
months.
I'll say I peeled away.
Finally, all my distractions, asI said, if I'm going to get an
incredible next level, fuckingelite coaching program dialed in
(10:21):
I need to stop doing the thingsthat are.
Yeah.
Easy that are distractions andlisten, I love my conscious
club, but buying a sauna andcollecting people and having
great conversations as valuableand as incredible as it is.
It's easy for me now, and soit's a distraction.
So I shut that down, even thoughI had just launched it and said,
that's a spring and summerproject to go back to.
(10:43):
And so there's pieces like that,that I really just had to, say
goodbye to for now and createabsolute tunnel vision.
And so with where I'm at rightnow, that's what I've done is
I've, I've created you know, my,my, my signature.
It's called the remarkable man.
And it's a 90 day program.
That's 1 on 1.
and then I integrate the guysafter 30 days.
(11:04):
But it's, it's a very disruptiveprogram.
It's.
It's awesome.
And I say that in the bestpossible way to see what I've
done with these guys so far.
But it really strips someone'slife down to a clean slate.
And then we, we, you know, wefind some of the limiting
stories, limiting beliefs we, werebuild and then we vision out.
(11:28):
And we create the micro actionsthat need to be aligned with the
life they want to build andimplement them every day.
And so right now I'm in, I'm inmonth two with those, my first
kind of cohort of guys and itis, it's insane.
It's, it's amazing to see theseyears that I've been just data
collecting, obsessively reading,going through programs, doing
(11:48):
all these pieces that, you know.
Tell us we're being productive,but ultimately they can also
hold us back, right?
Because we're like, I'm, I'm,I'm producing.
I'm still getting information,blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
But when are you going to putthat information into action?
And so now that I've unleashedand been able to impact these
guys lives, I'm realizing, holyhell, there's a lot there, you
(12:11):
know, that I'm able to bring toimpactful.
Thank you, brother.
It's been amazing.
But that's where we're at nowis, is really bringing in
continually bringing in moreguys.
To get them through this to, tochange lives because I watched
them go back to theirrelationships and their families
(12:31):
and their jobs and the sportsthat they play.
And they're getting feedbackexternally too.
And it's, it's just, you know,it's incredible to watch them
thrive and.
In 1 way, it's unfortunate forme to look back and be like, I
should have done this startedthis a year ago.
Right?
But we are where we are and nowit's time to run.
(12:52):
And so now it's time to keepgrowing this out.
And that's going to go to, youknow, speaking engagements that
I'm growing speaking on stages.
I'm looking right now at how Ican amplify my impact.
How I can really now get thismessage out there.
Help guys avoid burnout, youknow, and thrive.
And I'm talking guys who havepretty good lives, they got
families, but they're justfeeling something's missing.
(13:15):
And, you know, that's somethingis the same thing I felt 5 years
ago.
And have since been obsessiveabout.
So yeah, now on a mission,brother, see where I can
continue to expand so I cancreate impact so I can help
create that that ripple out.
Alfred (13:32):
I love it.
Everything you're saying isresonating with me because I
know you on a personal level.
I've had you be somewhat of amentor for me for a while.
We've had some pretty incredibleexcursions.
Not to dig into the fluff, but Iimagine there's people on here
that this may not resonate with,or they may not under, may not
understand.
Specifically, when you talk witha remarkable man, what value
(13:52):
does that bring to people,specifically?
What are some traits, orbehaviors, or attitudes, or
Quote funks that you're tryingto get people out of, because I
know you wanna work with, youknow, high achieving men, people
that wanna go from good to greator great to greatest.
You know, there, there's a nichemarket there, right?
A lot of people may not be, ormay be at the bottom of the
(14:14):
barrel, and this might just beoutside their reach, but talk
specifically about what youoffer, what people could, if
they went on your website andthey wanted to know.
What does Mike Prince have tooffer?
If I'm exchanging money forservice, what is that service
that you're providing?
Just so people can kind ofunderstand.
Because you're hitting it withme.
Me and you know what we'retalking about.
I just want to make sure thatpeople are easily digestible.
Mike (14:38):
Yeah, I appreciate it, brother.
Really it comes down to thebeauty of one on one is it
depends on what people havegoing on in their lives.
But common threads are one ofthe biggest things I do in the
front end is I do what's calleda 30 day detox.
Because In our everyday lives,we feed a lot of negative
(15:00):
dopamine in our lives.
We have a ton of distractions.
I don't think that's a surpriseto anybody in the tech world
that we live in.
So we strip away everything.
I'm, when I'm working to getsomebody performing at the
highest possible level that theycan, in their relationships, in
their business, in their self,we got to strip away everything.
So with some of the standardsthat I do is, you know, we take
(15:20):
away alcohol.
We take away caffeine.
It's a tough one for people.
We turn their phone intograyscale right away.
So all the nice triggeringcolors we have in there that
we're all addicted to.
We're no longer picking up ourphone every 40 seconds or within
a week.
It starts to go away.
Refined sugars we take away.
No shows, no TV, no music withlyrics, no podcasts.
(15:46):
So anything where we're Sorry, Iknow this is quality content
we're recording right now, butfor 30 days, not available.
Alfred (15:54):
Love that.
Mike (15:55):
But in all of, in, in, you know, what we digest is not just
our food.
It's information.
Right.
And we don't realize how manyinfluences there are on us on
everyday basis.
All of these, these words, allof these things coming at us
have subliminal messaging inthem.
Right, and that might soundreally out there, but it's not.
(16:15):
And so when we can do this withindividuals it, yes, it's very
disruptive for the first week.
Let me tell you what happensafter in week two and week
three, these guys get so tunedin and dialed when we're talking
about their morning routines aswell, making sure they're
sleeping well, they're eatingwell standards.
My program or minimum four daysat the gym every single week and
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we're doing check ins to makesure they're accountable.
So it's.
It's a lot of foundationalhabits that people just don't do
on a consistent basis pairedwith this detox.
And then I'm feeding theminformation and teaching them
about you know, different highperforming habits and, and how
to optimize their day.
(16:59):
Then they're actually beingreceptive to all of this, right?
So of course, you know, breathworks built in meditations,
built in all of these solidroutines that again.
They're not shockingly secret.
People have heard of these, butguess who's been doing them for
a lot longer than us, and theyjust don't talk about them all,
all the greats out there, youknow, especially in the athletic
(17:21):
world.
Kobe, Michael Jordan.
I got to work with one of theircoaches this past year and I
learned a ton and I was like,holy geez, these guys were doing
this back when they started whenthey were 18.
It's just not out there becauseguess what else?
And this, this could open up awhole new can of worms.
But I mean, when you talk aboutmeditation and breathwork and
wellness and these exercisesthat are free and we have access
(17:44):
to and are within us.
Well, then you don't need drugsto heal yourself and you don't
need you're going to get sickless and you're going to write.
That's why this stuff isn'tpublicized for 1 reason.
Right?
But getting outside of myprogram now, but but, yes, those
are some of the tangibles thatwe dive into and, what really
helped unlock these guys andthen we have, you know, as you
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know, and then we have very openconversations and I, I fire
reflection questions constantly.
I have stages that I put themthrough for reflection.
So we can move through stuffbecause once we get through our
own blocks, then the sky's thelimit, man.
Alfred (18:23):
I appreciate that.
Thank you so much.
That detox sounds insane.
I imagine some people areprobably on here thinking, man,
that'd be nuts.
But I feel when you have someoneholding you accountable and
doing those things, it's, Idon't know a lot of people.
I actually don't know anybodythat wouldn't want to use their
phone less.
I don't know anybody thatwouldn't want to kick alcohol if
it's becoming a problem, or ifthey find themselves, you know,
(18:45):
a product of their environment,where they go up to people and
say, ah, just one drink, no bigdeal.
I feel like that's really whatgets people going and that and
that's really what allows peopleto Kind of find find out what
what they're capable of right alot of you know, that's yeah Go
ahead.
Sorry just real quick
Mike (19:04):
because forget alcohol being a problem It's not even
about that, right?
It's about exploring what's onthe other side, just without
these things that we've gotten.
So, like, there's great studieson coffee and the benefits of
that.
Right?
But do we need the amount ofcaffeine we take in every day?
Generally not.
And you don't know the, the, theslight haze we have on us, the
(19:27):
lens until it's gone.
And that's the amazing thing towitnesses is how we really fire
people up.
So, sorry.
I digress, but
Alfred (19:34):
no, that's perfect.
Cause I think there's somethingto be said about what you
consume, but also the quality ofwhat is, you know, you talk
about, you know, like for me,I'm being a ship worker, like
I'm already on two cups andtonight I'll probably have two
more cups, but it's drip coffee.
It's that Costco, man.
When I was down in Costa Ricaand I had real coffee, like I'm
talking legit.
Drip black coffee.
(19:55):
It was, it was very smooth, butyou felt a proper energy kick,
not a, eh, let's just drag yourass through the day.
It was, there was a purpose toit, right?
It's the same reason whyeverything compounds.
Like you can't just be on thecarnivore diet and be like,
well, that's going to be thefix.
There's other elements to it,right?
If you're over carbs, you haveto create energy in different
(20:17):
ways, which is through movementand weightlifting, where if you
just sit at your house on thecouch, like, ah, wait, just
going to melt off.
You're probably going to have.
Issues are not get the desiredresult.
So what I'm getting from thisand what I've learned.
If people might listen to whatyou're saying and be like,
that's a lot of change, but no,there's a method to the madness.
Getting rid of the technologygives you the time that you said
(20:37):
you didn't have to go to thegym, going to the gym will give
you the energy that is going toreplace the need for refined
sugars, carbs, and caffeine.
There's elements to it and itkind of cascades, right?
It's not just a.
Let's get rid of every negativething you do and replace it with
positive and call it a day.
No, there's a method and there'sa reasoning behind it.
Not that you're a doctor.
Mind you, I don't think you needto be a doctor to come up with
(20:58):
this, this shit.
But I think just to kind of makesure people don't get a little
bit nervous, there's a method tothe madness.
You're replacing something withanother and it's, it's, it's for
the good, but there's a reasonfor the quote unquote shock
factor.
Mike (21:12):
Yep, you got it.
And the way we implement is allis all slow drip.
So that is not a massive slap inthe face.
I mean, the detox is all atonce.
That's all we focus on for aweek, essentially.
Right?
And we talk around it and thenwe, we phase in, but, but you
got it.
1 leads to the next needs to thenext.
And when we feel X, we don'teven want to do Y anymore.
(21:34):
Right?
So they, they really do becomeself serving.
Alfred (21:38):
Nice.
Yeah.
And for, for perspective, forme, I want to go back to what
you touched on because it'sresonating with me so much right
now is my wife and I had apodcast and she called me toxic
positive.
Like, she was like, you just,you consume too much.
You need to cry more.
You need to do this.
And we had a great debate aroundit actually had a lot of
interesting comments and peoplemessaged me about it.
And they were like, I love bothsides of the spectrum.
(21:59):
I love how, what she was talkingabout.
And then same thing.
It's like, I love the energy youbring and all this stuff.
I've been in the oil and gasindustry for 15 and a half years
now, and one big thing with theoil and gas industry, when
you're, when you're really inthe front of it, and there's,
you know, high risk safety, andyou kind of have this human
element to you, and whensomething goes wrong, you
(22:20):
immediately go to your logicalpart of your brain, especially
as men, what likely the issueis.
And in the last seven years,I've been in a role in the oil
and gas industry as support.
And it's been a situation wherepart of my training every year,
we have to do annual trainingfor safety.
Is we help people avoid what'scalled analysis paralysis,
(22:40):
that's actually an industry termthat we use is when you get so
fixated on something and youjump to a quick conclusion that
might make sense.
It's not to say that it'sillogical or anything like that.
You get so hyper focused on it,you look for reasons to explain
your outcome or you look forreasons to explain why you think
that's the problem.
When our systems are so, oursystems are so complex and you
(23:03):
know, The assets we run and, youknow, the high risk and, you
know, all the, you know, the,the, the potential consequences
analysis paralysis is a thingI've, I've genuinely witnessed
somebody do it.
They get so fixated on somethingand they, they dive in and
they're just, they're soconvinced and I'm like, well, if
you look over here, this iswhere it all started.
(23:23):
So, and I'm able to do thatcause I'm, cause I'm removed
from the situation.
I'm not immune.
There's, there's no, well, whenI look at this, you kind of made
a mistake.
So people have a shame.
They have a, you know, thatfight or flight mode where like,
I don't want to be kept in thelimelight.
They're natural human reaction.
I look, I look at my role rightnow is I coach people is or I
(23:44):
come in with no skin in thegame.
It doesn't benefit me one way orthe other to find the desired
outcome other than it's doing myjob and making sure everyone is
safe and making sure both thepeople that I work with and
maybe we have guys in the field,what you're talking about is the
exact same thing, but withpeople.
Is you're brought in with noemotion, whether you've gotten
divorced because of your alcoholaddiction, or whether porn is
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consuming you, or whether yourdiet has made you gain a hundred
pounds, or whether you'recompletely unmotivated at work
because of the last three thingsI just mentioned, maybe it's all
a problem.
You're coming in with no skin inthe game, other than you're
being paid for a service, andyou're just identifying.
You're, you're, you're lookingat it from a neutral
perspective, and you're justopening the curtain for them.
You're not.
(24:28):
You're not a doctor, you're nota this, you're not a that.
And I want to get intocredentials here right away
because I basically talk aboutthis on almost every podcast I
do.
I want people to understand thatwhen they're talking about maybe
hiring somebody, a personaltrainer, a life coach, a
professional coach, you'retaking first aid from somebody
who drives an ambulance.
They're teaching you things youkind of know or that you need to
(24:49):
know, but they're coming at itfrom such a unique perspective
that it just, it's almostrefreshing.
You're not having to combat youremotions or yourself or things
that you don't know.
You're avoiding what they callanalysis paralysis.
You're, you're, you're hyperfocusing on, I need to go to the
gym.
I need to go to the gym, but howdo we implement that?
Because it's, yes, everybodyneeds to go to the gym or
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exercise in some way, whateverthat is.
It doesn't matter.
You coming in from thatperspective, I want people to
understand that.
You're not coming in with thisgrandiose, authoritative figure,
listen to me, and that, no,you're coming in from a neutral
perspective, just identifyingthings, because you don't have
skin in the game.
Other than you're being paid fora service and you have
experience.
That's it.
(25:31):
And it sounds weird, I'm goingto listen to you because if
you're telling it to me, it'scoming from a place of genuine.
It's coming from a place ofperspective.
And that's the difference.
So if people are apprehensive orquestioning it, or they say
like, Oh, another life coach oranother, this, it's no, this
(25:53):
person has done some work.
You have testimonials, you'redoing it yourself, right?
You're not a 400 pound mantelling you to go work out.
And I, and I think that needs tobe very.
Like, I'm not trying to bedisrespectful in that way, but
I'm listening to you becauseyou're doing it.
And that's very important.
But I just wanted to highlightthat that analysis paralysis
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that people experience me in mycareer and what I'm trained to
do in life.
It's the exact same thing.
Mike (26:21):
Yeah, I love that.
And I think there's so manyelements to that that, you know,
one, one, I want to applaud youbecause.
In your role, and how you sayyou incorporate the things you
do, I can say you probably 5years ago could not do your role
as effectively as you do now,because of the work you have
personally done.
And I say that as I heard youtalking about that integration
(26:42):
to it, it went almost took meback to that question.
You asked about corporate insideand that's 1 thing I've really
done is.
I have a sales team of 10 peopleand I teach them all the same
stuff and they are on fire rightnow.
They will be the best team inthe country this year.
And that's because I decided tostop having a wall in between
these two worlds.
And I broke it down and said, Ican teach these guys this.
(27:03):
And by you having a calm nervoussystem and, you know, observing
these people in a, you know, ina way as well, that is not
directive, but asking, hearinghis questions and letting them
uncover it.
Is the magic sauce there, right?
Of helping them see it from adifferent perspective.
The, the last piece you weretalking about to me is, is
integrity in this industry.
(27:23):
Right?
And I'm sorry, but you're rightabout 400 pound man, teaching
fitness.
It's it's who who are you goingto take?
More serious, the dude that'sactually jacked or the dude
that's eating potato chips andjust writing up a plan for you,
right?
Nothing wrong with potato chips.
I love them.
But it's, I think that's asomething to point out in this
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industry right now, though,Alfred is that there's dollar
signs everywhere in thisindustry right now.
The world is waking up toneeding to be healthier.
And they know it and, you know,though the investing in
themselves piece is still slowlykicking in.
There's coaches ready andwilling with their hands open to
(28:05):
take people's money that aren'tliving what they're coaching and
have taken maybe 1 certificationand think they, you know, they
have the right to do X, Y, or Znow.
And it's scary.
Because you are affectingimpacting people's lives and
trust in others, and there'snothing that breaks trust more
than taking someone's money andnot falling through and not
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getting them the results.
And I think that's thedifference in this industry
right now.
If I could give a shout out toanybody who's thinking about it.
Is really feel the connectionwith you in that individual.
That is so important.
It's so important.
Just don't go on the resultsthat they say and everything
else.
Have a conversation with them.
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You need to look at theircontent, look at whatever and
feel that connection with thembecause you can feel
authenticity and you can feelwhen it's off as well.
And so it's really, reallyimportant to do that because
there's, there's a lot out thereand there's a lot that aren't
necessarily living what theypreach and living with integrity
and it's everything.
Alfred (29:05):
Yeah, 100%.
I love it.
I also wrote down here while youwere talking when you said you
should have started this a yearago, and this is a ringing
ringing phrase I heard is thebest time to plant a tree was 20
years ago.
The next best time is today.
And it's one of those thingswhere that applies to anybody
listening to this that might bethinking about going to the gym,
hiring a nutritionist, a coachtaking a 20 course online to
(29:27):
expand their career or whateverit is.
The best time to do it was awhile ago, truthfully.
The next best time to do it isnow.
And so you can dwell on the lastyear or two years, five years,
10 years, you could, you know,should have taken a different
course in university, whateverit may be the best time to do it
was then when you're identifyingit and you're kind of, you know,
living in that, you know,depressive mind state of like,
(29:49):
that's when I should have beendone, but now is the better is
the next best time.
That's the second best time todo it.
So that's a really cool concept.
I want to talk a little bitabout, you know, you talked
about breath work, meditation,and.
which might be, it's holistic innature, but, and by definition,
which is stupid, but whatever,but it's also on top of other
(30:09):
things that people understand.
Talk to me a little bit aboutthe friction you experienced
during this journey when youreally wanted to go down this
road and people were questioningwhy, when, how, where, you know,
all those questions that we kindof get from everything from,
from coworkers, family, friends,strangers, whatever it may be.
Talk to me a little bit aboutmaybe some highlights that stick
(30:31):
out in your mind.
Maybe even the wife and kids arelike, dad, that's weird.
Like, and it comes from agenuine place.
Like you need to explain this tome because I am completely
ignorant to those subjects andthose topics.
Talk to me a bit, a little bitabout those battles and your
strategy that worked for you.
It may not work for others.
It might.
But that worked for you to kindof, this is just the way it is.
(30:52):
And it's cool if you don'talign, that's fine.
But talk to me a little bit,cause everybody's experiences,
regardless, everybody getsquestioned.
Talk to me a little bit aboutthese questions likely come off
as is arrogant sometimes, but Ithink genuinely they come from a
good place, but talk to me aboutnavigating that a little bit.
Mike (31:10):
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a tricky, it's probably one of the
hardest ones I've had tonavigate because you know that
it involves family as well,right?
And we'll all sneak back towhere, I mean, you know, where
my journey started really is, isafter I was an athlete, right?
I went into the business world.
I burnt myself out.
I was, I can now say I wasdepressed and I just didn't
(31:32):
really know it.
And so I was lacking thatpurpose.
I was lacking finding something.
That fired me up anymore.
I had everything they told me tochase.
I had the house, the wife,you're making great money,
vacations, all of the thingsthat, yeah, you're happy, except
that wasn't you know, and thenLyme disease came.
Right.
And that kicked my ass andshowed me, really just checked
(31:56):
me and ultimately grounded me.
But that's when I had to makeserious decisions because
medical system could not helpme.
I finally got to such a darkplace that I said, I have to
make some choices here and Ihave to become my own healer.
And that's when thesemodalities, I started studying
obsessively and leaned intomeditation.
And so for me, what I saw andwhat I felt.
(32:19):
felt was so freaking real thatthere was no disputing it.
I, you know, I was spoken to, Iwitnessed myself starting to
heal and to me, I didn't carewhat anybody else thought
because I had to be the mostselfish man in the world at that
time because if I was going toget healthier.
(32:40):
Be able to pick up my baby boyswithout being in excruciating
pain, stop crying through thenight and feel like a man to be
able to protect my family again.
I needed to make some harddecisions.
So nobody else in the worldmattered.
It gave me in my weakest stateof my life, the most inner power
I've ever had.
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And from then on, my message wasI needed to share it.
And so, was that easy?
Absolutely not.
I built a world around me thatdrank on weekends, that I was
the hype man.
You go to a party with a guywith tequila, that was me.
You know that.
That was me.
That was how I defined myself.
My bar selection in my office,that was my pride and joy.
(33:23):
I built my world around alcoholand partying and and then making
money and got there and realizedhow empty it was.
And so I had to really shift.
I had to stop showing up at theparties.
Right?
And yeah, of course, I got thequestions and I had to look for
other things to keep myself busyand also to validate my life and
(33:46):
my worth.
Because I had just look forthose external high fives.
Oh, yeah.
Prince has brought this again.
Cool.
He's here.
The party's heightened.
They're like, no, man, that'sempty.
There's no value in that.
So, as I explore thesemodalities, do you want to talk
about a 180 between how peopleknew me, then going into this
(34:06):
deep, quiet guy that'smeditating and doing breath work
when half the world didn't evenknow what breath work was.
Yeah, I had a lot of explainingto do and a lot of questions
come at me and ultimately.
My, my answer was to show peopleand first and foremost to show
people in me and my habits andmy behaviors and how I went from
(34:28):
a dad that would, you know, puthis kids in front of the TV to a
dad who would hug his kids inthe morning and look out the
window.
And as that was observed by mywife and my family members in
all the different interactionsin my life, they saw it 1st and
then, yeah, a lot of friendsfell away.
And that was okay, because morecame into my world as well,
(34:52):
because our frequencies attract.
And so yeah, when it comes tosome of these conversations,
though, they, they get awkward.
We just have to be willing tosay goodbye.
And then, but when it comes toour relationships, you know,
that was my hardest one.
As, as I got out of all thatLime stuff and I, this work was
(35:13):
a whole new world for me that Ibecame obsessed with the first
thing I wanted to do was drag mywife into it.
Right, babe, you got to feelthis.
This breathwork stuff's amazing,babe.
I'm doing the spiritual work andthis and that and this like Non
stop and that is unfair to do toour partners.
I've since learned Or I learnedpretty quick around that that
(35:33):
Everybody has their owntimeline.
We cannot pull our significantothers or friends or anybody
into this work And that's whereyou know, the most powerful
thing we can do is do itourselves and leave the
breadcrumbs And but my wife andI had moments where, you know,
she saw me growing, if you will,and she wasn't.
And so she was.
Yeah, thinking we're gettingthis huge gap between us and I
(35:53):
honestly, I was feeling it aswell being like, I just wanted
to do this because of myexpectations.
I was putting on her.
Then when I realized the onlything I could do to truly, if
she, if I wanted her to grow andfeel comfortable and safe to do
so is give her love and space todo so and have zero expectations
(36:14):
and keep working on me.
And so that's really, you know,cool.
As it unfolded yeah, the highlevel, the Coles Notes version,
but I mean, of course, I hadfriends come back as well and
ask questions as friends werehurting as friends were going
through stuff, they would reachout and be like, Mike, I've seen
you change online in the last Xamount of years.
(36:34):
What have you been doing?
And I'd invite them on theinside.
Right.
I had one buddy.
This is my favorite story onthis last retreat.
We just did haven't talked tohim in years and years other
than maybe a couple ofInstagram.
Back and forth, but I'm talking15 years.
He reached out and he said, I'vebeen looking at your shit eating
grin for the last 3 years.
(36:55):
And he said, I finally realizedI think it's real.
It's not just to sell stuff.
It's not just to and he said.
I think I want to come to thisretreat and he came and he said,
like, it's changed his lifebecause he found people that he
could have these conversationswith, and that we're feeling the
same way.
And, you know, got to a certainpoint that it were just like, is
(37:16):
this it?
Right?
And so that's that's yeah,that's that's the journey.
That's the magic of this, butit's, there's a lot to navigate.
There's a, there's a big lonelyphase when we start to grow and
we start to get outside becauseof the world we've built around
us.
Right?
And whether that's drinking,whether that's gaming, whether
that's whatever, a lot of theseare things we distract ourselves
(37:40):
with.
Right?
You mentioned another one formen is a big one is porn, right?
These are distraction methodswhen we have time to kill.
Scrolling, social scrolling isanother one.
This is why I pull this stuffaway with the work that I do
because when you realize thetime that you have and you
realize the productive thingsyou can do or the inner work
(38:02):
that you can do during, it opensup your world.
So much.
Alfred (38:09):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
I said it in my podcast, my wifeis I, these new phones, they,
they give you the ability tocurate your life.
It's just, there's thesealgorithms and engineers and
these entire teams that are,that design it to really
captivate your attention andsell products.
There is a hidden agenda in theworld.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
It's a sell, sell, sell.
(38:30):
It's an exchange of money.
But in my podcast, my wife, Isaid, they, you can have limits
that I mean, some people mightlook at if it's for your
children, but I use it formyself is I limit my Instagram
to one a day, one hour a day.
And people will say, well, whatif I do it for business?
It doesn't matter.
I have one hour a day.
So if you have 55 minutes ofbusiness, you get five minutes
(38:52):
of personal time.
If you have an hour and a halfof business, you're pushing a
half hour to tomorrow.
It's one of those things where,and then what happens when I
exceed an hour is it goes grayand I can't open it again.
And it's just not, it's notaccessible to me, right?
So you can do that withanything, Snapchat, Facebook,
TikTok, whatever you want.
That's just one method that I'vefound.
(39:13):
And then you track it as ametric.
So you can actually see on yourscale, you can track it weekly,
monthly, yearly.
What's your average time on theapp?
And what Made me want to do thatis when I found when I looked at
it before ever doing it out tothe report is I was spending
over two hours a day on averageon that on that app.
And I'm like, What the fuck am Iaccomplishing on Instagram?
Not much.
Okay, that's got to change.
(39:35):
And so that was just a reallyquick and easy way.
Do it for your kids do foryourself doesn't matter.
That's just something you canliterally listen to go check it
out on your phone.
Apple, Android doesn't matter.
They all have the same feature.
They're a little bit different,but put it on there.
There's also a paid apps you canput, I, I propped this up a few
times, something calledminimalist app.
So minimalist app, I think it'slike 4 a month or something like
(39:56):
that.
And it just, it eliminates thenotifications.
The only thing that comesthrough is phone calls and it
eliminates your background.
So it's just black with the timethat's it.
So it doesn't draw yourattention.
It's not like, Ooh,notification, Ooh, this, that,
and then also it puts your phoneon grayscale.
It only shows yourprioritization apps.
So it only shows like if you doQuickBooks, if you do whatever
(40:17):
it may be, and you have to setit up.
And this is probably the biggesttip I'll give anybody who's
listening to this.
If you're worried about going tothe gym, eating better, Mike's
crazy detox program doing thatapp, like anything in life, when
you change it.
Everything is created aboutefficiency nowadays.
Everything is about equal in,equal out.
Anything you do in life in thenext little bit, you're truly
(40:40):
going to get to a position wherethe amount of time you have to
curate your workouts, you haveto get your nutrition on plan,
start a new habit.
You're going to put 10x.
The amount of time and effortinto it, then you're going to
see, and that's anythingbusiness, personal, relational,
doesn't matter.
You're going to put in so muchtime, you're going to be like,
this is a complete fucking wasteof time, or I'm getting zero
(41:02):
return.
And it's true.
You're not going to get a quoteunquote ROI.
You're not going to get thiswhole fucking bullshit of like,
Oh, you know, you need to makesure that six minute abs and all
this, you know, like fuck offwith that stuff.
Right.
You have to, you have tounderstand.
That once you tell yourself thatyou want to make a change in
whatever it is, you're going toput an insane amount of effort.
(41:24):
You're going to, it's just,that's just how it is.
And once you accept that, onceyou accept that, it's really a
lot easier from that point.
And there will come a time.
Where the amount of effort youput in is going to yield equal
return.
There will come a time, might bea month, might be a year, might
be 10 years.
It will eventually get there,but it sounds daunting because
it is daunting.
(41:44):
It just know that it's scary.
Know that it's a lot of work,but once you do it and once you
get dialed, it's so much simplerand so much easier.
And I think that's where me andyou are probably closer to.
Is that analysis paralysis ofI've gone from wanting to
consume a ton of positivecontent and share a ton of
positive content to living thatcontent.
(42:06):
That's a very big transitionalphase of your life, whether
you're a professional, whetheryou're in holistic.
Once you start living whatyou've been consuming for a year
or two years, 10 years, whateverit may be.
You can read all the Hormozesand Goggins books all you want
once you start living it a bitmore and you kind of go quieter
on social media.
You're not posting as often.
You're not, you know, satisfyingthe algorithm as much.
(42:29):
But then when people see you andyou're like, man, what's this
remarkable man all about?
It's like, dude, it brings somuch more value than when I seen
you more online.
It's like, yeah, because I'mbusy living.
I'm busy doing.
Powerful.
I love it.
One last question here before weget you going here.
I'd love for you todifferentiate.
(42:49):
Between the holistic world andthe modern world, what it means
for you.
We went into Lyme disease andyou went into, you know, your,
your whole journey.
And if people are curious, golisten to that episode.
We don't need to dig into that.
That's a very lengthy story,which we did unpack, but talk to
me a little bit about whenpeople hear breath work and
meditation versus what they'retold is going to be better for
(43:09):
them.
Now, maybe your anecdotalexperience of.
You know, comparing that totherapy or comparing that to
drugs, whether it'spharmaceutical drugs or other
drugs comparing that and whatthat world did for you versus
what you were doing beforealcohol, porn, whatever it may
be.
Talk to me a little bit aboutthe holistic.
Versus what people are told theyshould the route they should be
(43:31):
going down and maybe somebattles that you dealt with with
that, whether it be judgmental,whether it might be shame,
whether it might be, you know, acuriosity, those sorts of
things.
Talk to me a little bit aboutthat.
Mike (43:43):
Yeah, great, great question.
And I mean, for me, mydefinition of holistic is is
360.
Right.
It's just looking at somethingall the way around from a high
level as objective as we can.
Right.
And what I'm going to start onbriefly, because you mentioned
therapy and you mentionedsomatic work, and this is what
I've had a lot of experiencewith is people who have gone to
(44:05):
therapy and people who have I'veworked with firsthand or heard
their stories and not to saytherapy isn't effective.
It is.
It's great.
Right.
And.
But the difference betweentherapy and, and, and when I say
somatic work, I mean, like,breath work, work on the body,
just for those that may notknow.
(44:26):
Therapy gets you talking.
When we're talking, we arespeaking from here, our logical
mind, the part of our brain thatneeds to make sense of
everything.
And so we can only go so deepwith that.
Why?
Because we have a protectivemechanism in there that won't
allow us to go deeper.
You don't want to go deeper.
It gets it's really, really hardto get past that gatekeeper that
(44:50):
will allow you to be a littlebit unsafe and feel like you're
exposed in somatic work.
What happens is, when we breatheand we work on the body, the
1st.
Part to go offline is yourprefrontal cortex.
Is that logical mind?
So we immediately get past thatgatekeeper and we get into the
(45:11):
work that we need to do And thisis why I've I've heard and I've
witnessed, you know Some peoplewho have done years of therapy
in one one hour breathworksession or two hour breathwork
session They've they've donemore than in five years of
therapy And by done more, Imean, created more awareness
around and had some, someanswers come to them, right?
(45:34):
Because in breathwork, what wedo is we bring people to a part
of the nervous system thatgenerally they were in when they
experienced X, Y, or Z, right?
And they get to meet that partof themselves now with the
wisdom that they have today.
Right.
So imagine going back to a timein your life when you had
(45:55):
something traumatic happen.
And no, so many people don'tthink they have trauma until
they do breathwork.
And they're like, shit, I didn'trealize that that thing.
My coach said to me when I was12 has created this story that
stuck with me till today.
And right?
Like, it doesn't need to be thiscrazy, insane trauma.
But that's to me, that's the,you know, the big difference
(46:15):
between the 2.
and I think holistically wouldbe looking at both of them and
the value.
Yeah.
Of of having that somaticexperience and a lot of
therapists and psychotherapiststoday.
I know a lot of them are usingbreath work now because it helps
get there quicker.
And so holistic would beleveraging both of those
therapies.
(46:36):
Right?
And for me, it's always lookingat those, like a lot of the guys
that I work with.
You know, we we've also lookedat getting them off medications
and whether that's an opioidthat they've they've got
addicted to because they were onbecause of a surgery at first.
Right?
And now guess what?
They get prescribed to get offthe opioid.
(46:58):
Another opioid.
Like, it never ends.
Never, ever, ever ends.
I'm sorry in the, in thetraditional system.
The education is to prescribedrugs and, you know, I'm not
going to bash little system.
I think there's, there's many,many uses.
And I think doctors and nursesare incredible, but some of the
training is, is, is, is not andit's funded by big pharma.
(47:19):
So I think there's a hugebenefit to having them.
Look at other other therapiesbecause I've had guys go to
breathwork or do other herbalmedicines that get them off of
their meds.
They've been on for 20 years andhave tormented their lives.
And so yeah, I think I'mtrailing off here.
(47:40):
So I want to get back on track.
But the big question was like,holistic versus.
modern ways of treating things,right?
Or modern medicine, whatever wewant to call it.
Alfred (47:52):
Even, even the perception around it, right?
Like, you know, when you weregoing through that journey, you
know, I, I guess maybe a betterway to phrase the question is
how does somebody get started?
Like when you said that you weregoing through Lyme disease and
that also happened at any timeduring COVID and stuff where
traditional medicine wasn'tavailable.
So you kind of, the boats wereburnt for you and you kind of
just had to go down that road.
Right.
But at the same time, You know,people like, do I go to YouTube?
(48:13):
Do I go to Instagram?
Do I talk to my doctor aboutbreath work, which probably
wouldn't yield much truth ifthey're ignorant to that.
I guess maybe the betterquestion is if somebody's
curious or somebody has beenhaving these thoughts or maybe
is struggling with opioids ortraditional medicine or
frustrated that they can't be afamily doctor for three months,
what are, what are sometechniques or, or, or resources
that you found that workedreally well for you?
(48:34):
Was it hiring a coach?
Was it going on chat, GPT orGoogle, or, you know, what is
really that, that first step,basically giving somebody a
roadmap, go here.
And if that doesn't work, trysomething else, but this is a
great starting.
Is it content consumption?
Is it googling?
Is it the yellow pages?
Whatever it may be, I'm adinosaur.
Fuck.
But
Mike (48:53):
no, no, I think that's, I think that's great because it's,
it's so important today that weempower ourselves, right?
And we've got enough informationout there anywhere to give
yourself a university degree amonth if you wanted to.
So, when it comes to anyaffliction, any chronic illness,
the information is out there,right?
And for us to empower ourselves,if you're, if you're going the
(49:16):
traditional medical way, what Iwould say is anything you're
prescribed, do your research onit.
Do your own research on it.
Don't trust it because, youknow, look anywhere else in our
world.
If somebody gives us somethingto put in our mouth, we're going
to trust it because not todiscredit again, I'm not doing
that, but like, do your ownresearch, empower ourselves,
(49:36):
right?
So that's that's what I wouldsay is wherever that research is
also leverage socials.
Like, there are people with Lymedisease pages.
Now, I had no idea.
And they've popped up since andthere's valuable information
there.
I was bringing in potions fromall over the world.
I was doing coffee and I wasalmost shitting myself every day
for months.
I was doing blood ozonationtherapy that was insanely
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expensive, expensive and likedoing everything and till
something worked.
And that's, you know, kind ofwhat we have to do these days
because a lot of the, a lot ofthe ways of modern medicine.
can be temporary or can reallydamage our systems in other
ways, which is going to make usneed other drugs following,
(50:19):
which gets really challenging.
So yeah, my biggest piece ofadvice would just be absolutely
find somebody else who's beenthrough it because we are never
alone as much as we always wantto have our pity parties and
things were special during thesethings.
I don't want that to sound toovicious, but I've been there and
I thought I was.
The only one with Lyme diseasein Canada and it's, it's just
(50:43):
not true guys.
There's always somebody who'sbeen through what you've been
through and find them.
Look on socials, do yourresearch, go on Google, go on
Reddit, explore.
And if something feels right,test it out for your body, see
if it fits.
And yes, there's a lot ofcoaches.
I'm connected with plenty ofcoaches right now.
(51:03):
One who's reversing her mom'sdementia.
It's insane.
She's, she's doing adetoxification process and she
now coaches on that as well.
So there's, there's people outthere that are working in these
niches.
Especially during this massivehealth boom that is not going
away.
It's really not.
Alfred (51:22):
I love it, man.
No, all that's really goodstuff.
Before I let you go, one thing Ijust want to kind of address is
that fear of failure.
I was going to mention itearlier when you talked about
when you opened up the consciousclub and then closed it just as
quickly and some people may havegone through that and that
demotivated them to do what theywanted to do and I think this is
kind of the same thing is it'sokay if you're going to go down
this road and you try breathworkand you're like it's not for me,
(51:43):
I have too many mental blocks,it's just not my cup of tea,
maybe meditation works So justdon't get discouraged when you
try something new, you know,don't get discouraged when you
go to the gym for the firsttime, you can't walk and you're
walking funny for the next sevendays.
Part of the game is part of theprocess, right?
So that fear of failure, thatfeeling again, when I said the
amount of effort you put in,there's going to come times
where you just open the wrongdoor.
(52:04):
You just go down the wrong path.
You try the wrong thing.
You download the wrong app.
You hire the wrong coach.
You go to the wrong doctor.
It's going to happen.
I say, just trust your gut.
Right.
Is if something is calling youand then you try and you're
like, ah, my gut was wrong.
Don't never trust it again.
Try something new.
If you're taking a medicationand you're like, this is really
fucking me up, but your bloodwork looks a bit different, or
(52:24):
the doctor's saying, no, give itmore time.
Like, trust your gut.
Go with it, right?
And it's okay to try and swingand miss, right?
That's totally fine.
So, I love that component of it,man.
I want to let the people knowwhere they can find you.
I want to see what you have onthe go in the next little bit.
Yeah, give some people just, youknow, where they can find my
prints what questions, if theyhave any, what they can ask you.
Give people the download, man.
Mike (52:45):
Of course, appreciate you, brother.
Most active on, on Instagram,TheConsciousCreatorCoach or
ConsciousCreator.
World is my website, and Yeah,reach out anytime.
Honestly, I'm an open book.
I'm happy to answer questions asif you can't tell I'm super
passionate about this stuff.
And yeah, I just, I just lovehelping people elevate.
(53:07):
So
Alfred (53:08):
beauty, man.
Well, I appreciate your timetoday.
I hope people got value out ofthis.
And yeah, if you need anything,I'm going to put everything in
the show notes down below.
There'll be tons of links toclick.
And yeah, that's all I got,brother.
Appreciate your time today.
Mike (53:20):
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
Always a pleasure.
Alfred (53:23):
Awesome.
All right, guys, that's it forthis episode.
We'll catch you in the next one.
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Hey, everyone, and welcome to the unmodern podcast,
the podcast where we haveunscripted, unapologetic and
uncomfortable conversations thataffects everyday people.
If you've ever had an outlook,thought or an opinion that
modern day society told you tobe silent on.
That you would get in troublefor, or if you've ever heard the
words, probably shouldn't saythat, then this is the podcast
(00:24):
for you.
My name is Alfred, a husband,father, and an adventure seeking
kind of guy, who over the yearshas learned to have a positive
outlook on life, regardless ofwhat society throws at me.
So if you're ready to listen,let's go.
(01:02):
Mr.
Mike Prince.
Second repeat guest on thepodcast.
How you doing today, sir?
Mike (01:08):
Oh, Alfred, I've been looking forward to this,
brother.
It's a pleasure to be on hereagain.
It's been some time and lots hashappened in between.
So I'm excited to dive in, man.
Alfred (01:18):
Yeah, so much has changed.
I appreciate you so much forthat first episode diving into
your personal health journey.
Getting into holistics and allthat fun stuff.
But yeah, we're going toabsolutely dive into this one.
I'm really excited.
A lot of what we're going totalk about today, you're in the
middle of doing, and I'm in themiddle of wanting to do, so I
can't wait to leverage yourexperience and what you're, what
you have on the go.
(01:39):
It's going to be a good one.
Mike (01:41):
I'm excited, brother.
Thank you.
Appreciate you having me.
It's always such a pleasure todive in because I know you don't
hold back and and there'snothing I have to hold back.
I love being an open book andjust sharing the raw and the
real because I believe it, itserves other people and allows
us to grow in the process.
Alfred (01:56):
I love it.
I love it.
We're going to dive right inhere.
Had some really goodconversations with you over
socials.
Got some really jarringquestions that I want to dive
into and give people someperspective.
So to give people a little bitof a backstory.
Both you and I have a job, andthen we have side h side gigs,
or side hustle, as some peopletalk about.
You're in the middle of reallywanting to transition, and
(02:18):
really wanting to bring yourgifts to the world, and you're
doing it.
In a great, methodical,sustainable way, I know a lot of
the quote unquote masterminds onthere say rip the band aid, burn
the boat, so to speak.
That's a little harder to dowhen you got wife, kids, bills.
You know, it sounds great on thesurface, but when there's a
potential collateral damage,there is a risk there.
(02:38):
And, you know, maybe some peoplewould argue, you know, you have
to accept that risk and thatwould motivate you to drive even
further.
And there could be some merit tothat.
I don't know, it's 2025.
Things ain't getting cheaper.
You know, we want to make, wewant to keep a consistent growth
pattern forward and upwards.
So I love how you're doing this,man.
You're incorporating your sidepassion and your gifts with your
(03:00):
professional.
And I think it's just sostrategic.
I think it's so good.
So I would love for you to justdive right into people and talk
about that mindset of ifsomebody has a side hustle or a
side business, or even a passionproject that they do for almost
no money or no money at all.
How do they combat?
Those mental demons that they'refighting that I want to do this,
(03:25):
but I have to do it a certainway.
Talk to me a little bit aboutwhat kind of went through your
head wanting to make this changeand how you implemented
successful strategies oneventually getting there,
whatever your timeline is.
Mike (03:37):
Man, I love this question.
This is a massive one becauseit's ever evolving for me.
And yeah, as you know, I've beenon this journey now for years.
And in the beginning, it wasexactly as you said, you know,
and so was the advice from thosethat are already entrepreneurs
are like, just jump, just do it,man, just go.
But then, of course, I lookedaround and I'm like, well, I've
(04:00):
got two homes.
I've got a job.
To kids, I've got, right?
Like, that's not just cool.
I'll just produce X amount inthat revenue.
It doesn't happen that way.
Not when you don't have theknowledge built up the
expertise, build up the programsand it, none of it needs to look
perfect as you've witnessed.
I think that's where people getreally tripped up, right?
(04:20):
Is there like, okay, I have tohave it all or I have to have
none of it.
And so as I've let it unfold,I've.
I've learned really quicklythat, you know, I can have it
extremely messy as I go throughit.
I can build it as I go throughit, and I can gradually
implement the pieces that aregoing to create a foundation,
(04:44):
essentially, right to launchwhen the launch is ready and
strong enough and.
That's been my mindset.
Has there been zero anxiousnessalong the way of saying having
many moments where I'm like,okay, it's time to fucking jump.
Mike, it's time to jump.
Just do it.
No, that guy creeps in too.
(05:05):
Often saying, why don't you justdo it?
Because there is a fine balancethere.
100 percent of knowing you don'thave an exit plan.
You know, anybody with a, with asalary knows that, that, that is
a safety net for us, that issomething that keeps coming
biweekly that we know is goingto pay those bills, right?
(05:26):
And this is why I love comparingthe entrepreneurial journey.
To the spiritual journey becausethey are so, so closely tied.
There is nothing else that is sointimate with self that pulls at
us and brings us to the depthsof stress and darkness and
(05:48):
brings us to the highest ofhighs of love and bliss and
amazing relationships.
Right, because everything in ourbusiness is a reflection of our
personal life when it comes tohow much money we can make, how
fast we can grow.
All of these pieces are ourinterpersonal belief.
So yeah, I'm getting off track alittle bit there because I get a
passionate about this, but,essentially, for me now, it's
(06:11):
really looking at, I'm at thestage where, you know, I've,
I've, I've served many clientsboth, both free and just
creating value in group spacesand many paid clients now where
I've proven value and what I cando.
And so built that confidencewith myself over the years and
have tons of testimonials, allof it.
So now it's literally at aplace, strategic place where
(06:31):
it's okay.
Now, how close can we get tothat income replacement to
fully.
Launch, right?
And then knowing there's goingto be a next level then too,
because when I'm fully committedwhen I have all the time and all
the power, there's going to betwo things.
There's going to be, yeah, fullylaunch and go.
Nothing's holding me backanymore.
(06:52):
But there's also no excusesanymore.
There's also no safety net ofmoney anymore.
So there's going to be thatweight, if you will.
I don't see his weight.
It's exciting, man.
But double edged sword there.
Right?
So it's, it's, it's reallyexciting.
That's how I've looked at it,which is, is, I think, very non
traditional.
As you said, a lot of peoplejust say leap and, you know,
(07:12):
burn the boats and run fullsteam.
And though that's prettysometimes in reality, it's not
if you do that, and I, I knowfrom friends that have done it
as well, and every single 1 ofthem has told me that has
actually done that.
And not just heard how excitingit sounds.
They've said, I wish I waited.
Because the stress I had tocarry for X amount of time, the
(07:34):
savings I went, burned throughin getting to where I am, glad I
learned the lessons, glad I didX, Y, and Z, but I could have
done it in a smarter way.
And so that's where, I haven'talways had this patience, but
it's, man, has it served, asI've gone through this, to, to
really get to the place where,like, the superpower's there,
everything's lined up, now it'sjust a timeline.
Alfred (07:58):
Oh, I love every, every component of that, because it
resonates with me so much.
I've always had.
An entrepreneurial spirit a kindof a business component.
I haven't not had a sidebusiness for 11 years now
between the water sport rentalsthat me and you were introduced
with and then now doing thebusiness with my brothers.
And I've even had that questionfrom people.
They say, why?
(08:20):
I actually went to a businesscollab with a girl.
She has a similar side businessas me.
She'd be considered competitor,but she's on a different level.
And she basically, yeah, she'slike, what motivates you to do
this?
Like your plate is full, likehow, like, like why?
And I think it's kind of thatAndrew Tate model of like, I
feel like if I'm not doing, Iget in this like crippling state
(08:41):
of boredom, if that makes sense.
It's not that I don't want to bepresent for my family, or I
don't want to create socialcircles or be doing things.
If I have this creative spirit,I have this creative drive.
Of doing, creating, whetherthat's through financial income
or whether that's throughbuilding something or renovating
my house or whatever it may be.
There's this need for me to wantto create and the
(09:03):
entrepreneurial aspect of it is,is exactly that.
You're either creating service,you're creating value, you're
creating income, whatever it maybe.
You're in that constant stateof, you know, recycling and
creating and adapting.
That's a big one as well.
So I absolutely love that.
So I want to touch a little biton the family aspect and keeping
(09:24):
people in the loop and kind ofthose struggles that people
don't talk about when they whenthey say chase your dreams and
follow your dreams and do itlike anyway.
But before we do that, let'stouch into where you're at,
because I know last time wetalked about it, you were
wanting to do a lot of stuff andthere was maybe 20 percent of
everything but like you said nowyou have an established
(09:45):
Business.
You have that amazing homesteadthere in the Muskoka, which,
man, holy, I'm a fan.
And and you've, you've done alot of work since then.
So let's just refresh anybodywho's listening.
What do you do?
Mike (09:57):
Thank you, brother.
So And listen, I'll creep backto what you just said about
doing all the things when ourminds get quiet.
Right.
And for me, that's been mybiggest focus in the last 6
months.
I'll say I peeled away.
Finally, all my distractions, asI said, if I'm going to get an
incredible next level, fuckingelite coaching program dialed in
(10:21):
I need to stop doing the thingsthat are.
Yeah.
Easy that are distractions andlisten, I love my conscious
club, but buying a sauna andcollecting people and having
great conversations as valuableand as incredible as it is.
It's easy for me now, and soit's a distraction.
So I shut that down, even thoughI had just launched it and said,
that's a spring and summerproject to go back to.
(10:43):
And so there's pieces like that,that I really just had to, say
goodbye to for now and createabsolute tunnel vision.
And so with where I'm at rightnow, that's what I've done is
I've, I've created you know, my,my, my signature.
It's called the remarkable man.
And it's a 90 day program.
That's 1 on 1.
and then I integrate the guysafter 30 days.
(11:04):
But it's, it's a very disruptiveprogram.
It's.
It's awesome.
And I say that in the bestpossible way to see what I've
done with these guys so far.
But it really strips someone'slife down to a clean slate.
And then we, we, you know, wefind some of the limiting
stories, limiting beliefs we, werebuild and then we vision out.
(11:28):
And we create the micro actionsthat need to be aligned with the
life they want to build andimplement them every day.
And so right now I'm in, I'm inmonth two with those, my first
kind of cohort of guys and itis, it's insane.
It's, it's amazing to see theseyears that I've been just data
collecting, obsessively reading,going through programs, doing
(11:48):
all these pieces that, you know.
Tell us we're being productive,but ultimately they can also
hold us back, right?
Because we're like, I'm, I'm,I'm producing.
I'm still getting information,blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
But when are you going to putthat information into action?
And so now that I've unleashedand been able to impact these
guys lives, I'm realizing, holyhell, there's a lot there, you
(12:11):
know, that I'm able to bring toimpactful.
Thank you, brother.
It's been amazing.
But that's where we're at nowis, is really bringing in
continually bringing in moreguys.
To get them through this to, tochange lives because I watched
them go back to theirrelationships and their families
(12:31):
and their jobs and the sportsthat they play.
And they're getting feedbackexternally too.
And it's, it's just, you know,it's incredible to watch them
thrive and.
In 1 way, it's unfortunate forme to look back and be like, I
should have done this startedthis a year ago.
Right?
But we are where we are and nowit's time to run.
(12:52):
And so now it's time to keepgrowing this out.
And that's going to go to, youknow, speaking engagements that
I'm growing speaking on stages.
I'm looking right now at how Ican amplify my impact.
How I can really now get thismessage out there.
Help guys avoid burnout, youknow, and thrive.
And I'm talking guys who havepretty good lives, they got
families, but they're justfeeling something's missing.
(13:15):
And, you know, that's somethingis the same thing I felt 5 years
ago.
And have since been obsessiveabout.
So yeah, now on a mission,brother, see where I can
continue to expand so I cancreate impact so I can help
create that that ripple out.
Alfred (13:32):
I love it.
Everything you're saying isresonating with me because I
know you on a personal level.
I've had you be somewhat of amentor for me for a while.
We've had some pretty incredibleexcursions.
Not to dig into the fluff, but Iimagine there's people on here
that this may not resonate with,or they may not under, may not
understand.
Specifically, when you talk witha remarkable man, what value
(13:52):
does that bring to people,specifically?
What are some traits, orbehaviors, or attitudes, or
Quote funks that you're tryingto get people out of, because I
know you wanna work with, youknow, high achieving men, people
that wanna go from good to greator great to greatest.
You know, there, there's a nichemarket there, right?
A lot of people may not be, ormay be at the bottom of the
(14:14):
barrel, and this might just beoutside their reach, but talk
specifically about what youoffer, what people could, if
they went on your website andthey wanted to know.
What does Mike Prince have tooffer?
If I'm exchanging money forservice, what is that service
that you're providing?
Just so people can kind ofunderstand.
Because you're hitting it withme.
Me and you know what we'retalking about.
I just want to make sure thatpeople are easily digestible.
Mike (14:38):
Yeah, I appreciate it, brother.
Really it comes down to thebeauty of one on one is it
depends on what people havegoing on in their lives.
But common threads are one ofthe biggest things I do in the
front end is I do what's calleda 30 day detox.
Because In our everyday lives,we feed a lot of negative
(15:00):
dopamine in our lives.
We have a ton of distractions.
I don't think that's a surpriseto anybody in the tech world
that we live in.
So we strip away everything.
I'm, when I'm working to getsomebody performing at the
highest possible level that theycan, in their relationships, in
their business, in their self,we got to strip away everything.
So with some of the standardsthat I do is, you know, we take
(15:20):
away alcohol.
We take away caffeine.
It's a tough one for people.
We turn their phone intograyscale right away.
So all the nice triggeringcolors we have in there that
we're all addicted to.
We're no longer picking up ourphone every 40 seconds or within
a week.
It starts to go away.
Refined sugars we take away.
No shows, no TV, no music withlyrics, no podcasts.
(15:46):
So anything where we're Sorry, Iknow this is quality content
we're recording right now, butfor 30 days, not available.
Alfred (15:54):
Love that.
Mike (15:55):
But in all of, in, in, you know, what we digest is not just
our food.
It's information.
Right.
And we don't realize how manyinfluences there are on us on
everyday basis.
All of these, these words, allof these things coming at us
have subliminal messaging inthem.
Right, and that might soundreally out there, but it's not.
(16:15):
And so when we can do this withindividuals it, yes, it's very
disruptive for the first week.
Let me tell you what happensafter in week two and week
three, these guys get so tunedin and dialed when we're talking
about their morning routines aswell, making sure they're
sleeping well, they're eatingwell standards.
My program or minimum four daysat the gym every single week and
(16:37):
we're doing check ins to makesure they're accountable.
So it's.
It's a lot of foundationalhabits that people just don't do
on a consistent basis pairedwith this detox.
And then I'm feeding theminformation and teaching them
about you know, different highperforming habits and, and how
to optimize their day.
(16:59):
Then they're actually beingreceptive to all of this, right?
So of course, you know, breathworks built in meditations,
built in all of these solidroutines that again.
They're not shockingly secret.
People have heard of these, butguess who's been doing them for
a lot longer than us, and theyjust don't talk about them all,
all the greats out there, youknow, especially in the athletic
(17:21):
world.
Kobe, Michael Jordan.
I got to work with one of theircoaches this past year and I
learned a ton and I was like,holy geez, these guys were doing
this back when they started whenthey were 18.
It's just not out there becauseguess what else?
And this, this could open up awhole new can of worms.
But I mean, when you talk aboutmeditation and breathwork and
wellness and these exercisesthat are free and we have access
(17:44):
to and are within us.
Well, then you don't need drugsto heal yourself and you don't
need you're going to get sickless and you're going to write.
That's why this stuff isn'tpublicized for 1 reason.
Right?
But getting outside of myprogram now, but but, yes, those
are some of the tangibles thatwe dive into and, what really
helped unlock these guys andthen we have, you know, as you
(18:07):
know, and then we have very openconversations and I, I fire
reflection questions constantly.
I have stages that I put themthrough for reflection.
So we can move through stuffbecause once we get through our
own blocks, then the sky's thelimit, man.
Alfred (18:23):
I appreciate that.
Thank you so much.
That detox sounds insane.
I imagine some people areprobably on here thinking, man,
that'd be nuts.
But I feel when you have someoneholding you accountable and
doing those things, it's, Idon't know a lot of people.
I actually don't know anybodythat wouldn't want to use their
phone less.
I don't know anybody thatwouldn't want to kick alcohol if
it's becoming a problem, or ifthey find themselves, you know,
(18:45):
a product of their environment,where they go up to people and
say, ah, just one drink, no bigdeal.
I feel like that's really whatgets people going and that and
that's really what allows peopleto Kind of find find out what
what they're capable of right alot of you know, that's yeah Go
ahead.
Sorry just real quick
Mike (19:04):
because forget alcohol being a problem It's not even
about that, right?
It's about exploring what's onthe other side, just without
these things that we've gotten.
So, like, there's great studieson coffee and the benefits of
that.
Right?
But do we need the amount ofcaffeine we take in every day?
Generally not.
And you don't know the, the, theslight haze we have on us, the
(19:27):
lens until it's gone.
And that's the amazing thing towitnesses is how we really fire
people up.
So, sorry.
I digress, but
Alfred (19:34):
no, that's perfect.
Cause I think there's somethingto be said about what you
consume, but also the quality ofwhat is, you know, you talk
about, you know, like for me,I'm being a ship worker, like
I'm already on two cups andtonight I'll probably have two
more cups, but it's drip coffee.
It's that Costco, man.
When I was down in Costa Ricaand I had real coffee, like I'm
talking legit.
Drip black coffee.
(19:55):
It was, it was very smooth, butyou felt a proper energy kick,
not a, eh, let's just drag yourass through the day.
It was, there was a purpose toit, right?
It's the same reason whyeverything compounds.
Like you can't just be on thecarnivore diet and be like,
well, that's going to be thefix.
There's other elements to it,right?
If you're over carbs, you haveto create energy in different
(20:17):
ways, which is through movementand weightlifting, where if you
just sit at your house on thecouch, like, ah, wait, just
going to melt off.
You're probably going to have.
Issues are not get the desiredresult.
So what I'm getting from thisand what I've learned.
If people might listen to whatyou're saying and be like,
that's a lot of change, but no,there's a method to the madness.
Getting rid of the technologygives you the time that you said
(20:37):
you didn't have to go to thegym, going to the gym will give
you the energy that is going toreplace the need for refined
sugars, carbs, and caffeine.
There's elements to it and itkind of cascades, right?
It's not just a.
Let's get rid of every negativething you do and replace it with
positive and call it a day.
No, there's a method and there'sa reasoning behind it.
Not that you're a doctor.
Mind you, I don't think you needto be a doctor to come up with
(20:58):
this, this shit.
But I think just to kind of makesure people don't get a little
bit nervous, there's a method tothe madness.
You're replacing something withanother and it's, it's, it's for
the good, but there's a reasonfor the quote unquote shock
factor.
Mike (21:12):
Yep, you got it.
And the way we implement is allis all slow drip.
So that is not a massive slap inthe face.
I mean, the detox is all atonce.
That's all we focus on for aweek, essentially.
Right?
And we talk around it and thenwe, we phase in, but, but you
got it.
1 leads to the next needs to thenext.
And when we feel X, we don'teven want to do Y anymore.
(21:34):
Right?
So they, they really do becomeself serving.
Alfred (21:38):
Nice.
Yeah.
And for, for perspective, forme, I want to go back to what
you touched on because it'sresonating with me so much right
now is my wife and I had apodcast and she called me toxic
positive.
Like, she was like, you just,you consume too much.
You need to cry more.
You need to do this.
And we had a great debate aroundit actually had a lot of
interesting comments and peoplemessaged me about it.
And they were like, I love bothsides of the spectrum.
(21:59):
I love how, what she was talkingabout.
And then same thing.
It's like, I love the energy youbring and all this stuff.
I've been in the oil and gasindustry for 15 and a half years
now, and one big thing with theoil and gas industry, when
you're, when you're really inthe front of it, and there's,
you know, high risk safety, andyou kind of have this human
element to you, and whensomething goes wrong, you
(22:20):
immediately go to your logicalpart of your brain, especially
as men, what likely the issueis.
And in the last seven years,I've been in a role in the oil
and gas industry as support.
And it's been a situation wherepart of my training every year,
we have to do annual trainingfor safety.
Is we help people avoid what'scalled analysis paralysis,
(22:40):
that's actually an industry termthat we use is when you get so
fixated on something and youjump to a quick conclusion that
might make sense.
It's not to say that it'sillogical or anything like that.
You get so hyper focused on it,you look for reasons to explain
your outcome or you look forreasons to explain why you think
that's the problem.
When our systems are so, oursystems are so complex and you
(23:03):
know, The assets we run and, youknow, the high risk and, you
know, all the, you know, the,the, the potential consequences
analysis paralysis is a thingI've, I've genuinely witnessed
somebody do it.
They get so fixated on somethingand they, they dive in and
they're just, they're soconvinced and I'm like, well, if
you look over here, this iswhere it all started.
(23:23):
So, and I'm able to do thatcause I'm, cause I'm removed
from the situation.
I'm not immune.
There's, there's no, well, whenI look at this, you kind of made
a mistake.
So people have a shame.
They have a, you know, thatfight or flight mode where like,
I don't want to be kept in thelimelight.
They're natural human reaction.
I look, I look at my role rightnow is I coach people is or I
(23:44):
come in with no skin in thegame.
It doesn't benefit me one way orthe other to find the desired
outcome other than it's doing myjob and making sure everyone is
safe and making sure both thepeople that I work with and
maybe we have guys in the field,what you're talking about is the
exact same thing, but withpeople.
Is you're brought in with noemotion, whether you've gotten
divorced because of your alcoholaddiction, or whether porn is
(24:07):
consuming you, or whether yourdiet has made you gain a hundred
pounds, or whether you'recompletely unmotivated at work
because of the last three thingsI just mentioned, maybe it's all
a problem.
You're coming in with no skin inthe game, other than you're
being paid for a service, andyou're just identifying.
You're, you're, you're lookingat it from a neutral
perspective, and you're justopening the curtain for them.
You're not.
(24:28):
You're not a doctor, you're nota this, you're not a that.
And I want to get intocredentials here right away
because I basically talk aboutthis on almost every podcast I
do.
I want people to understand thatwhen they're talking about maybe
hiring somebody, a personaltrainer, a life coach, a
professional coach, you'retaking first aid from somebody
who drives an ambulance.
They're teaching you things youkind of know or that you need to
(24:49):
know, but they're coming at itfrom such a unique perspective
that it just, it's almostrefreshing.
You're not having to combat youremotions or yourself or things
that you don't know.
You're avoiding what they callanalysis paralysis.
You're, you're, you're hyperfocusing on, I need to go to the
gym.
I need to go to the gym, but howdo we implement that?
Because it's, yes, everybodyneeds to go to the gym or
(25:10):
exercise in some way, whateverthat is.
It doesn't matter.
You coming in from thatperspective, I want people to
understand that.
You're not coming in with thisgrandiose, authoritative figure,
listen to me, and that, no,you're coming in from a neutral
perspective, just identifyingthings, because you don't have
skin in the game.
Other than you're being paid fora service and you have
experience.
That's it.
(25:31):
And it sounds weird, I'm goingto listen to you because if
you're telling it to me, it'scoming from a place of genuine.
It's coming from a place ofperspective.
And that's the difference.
So if people are apprehensive orquestioning it, or they say
like, Oh, another life coach oranother, this, it's no, this
(25:53):
person has done some work.
You have testimonials, you'redoing it yourself, right?
You're not a 400 pound mantelling you to go work out.
And I, and I think that needs tobe very.
Like, I'm not trying to bedisrespectful in that way, but
I'm listening to you becauseyou're doing it.
And that's very important.
But I just wanted to highlightthat that analysis paralysis
(26:14):
that people experience me in mycareer and what I'm trained to
do in life.
It's the exact same thing.
Mike (26:21):
Yeah, I love that.
And I think there's so manyelements to that that, you know,
one, one, I want to applaud youbecause.
In your role, and how you sayyou incorporate the things you
do, I can say you probably 5years ago could not do your role
as effectively as you do now,because of the work you have
personally done.
And I say that as I heard youtalking about that integration
(26:42):
to it, it went almost took meback to that question.
You asked about corporate insideand that's 1 thing I've really
done is.
I have a sales team of 10 peopleand I teach them all the same
stuff and they are on fire rightnow.
They will be the best team inthe country this year.
And that's because I decided tostop having a wall in between
these two worlds.
And I broke it down and said, Ican teach these guys this.
(27:03):
And by you having a calm nervoussystem and, you know, observing
these people in a, you know, ina way as well, that is not
directive, but asking, hearinghis questions and letting them
uncover it.
Is the magic sauce there, right?
Of helping them see it from adifferent perspective.
The, the last piece you weretalking about to me is, is
integrity in this industry.
(27:23):
Right?
And I'm sorry, but you're rightabout 400 pound man, teaching
fitness.
It's it's who who are you goingto take?
More serious, the dude that'sactually jacked or the dude
that's eating potato chips andjust writing up a plan for you,
right?
Nothing wrong with potato chips.
I love them.
But it's, I think that's asomething to point out in this
(27:44):
industry right now, though,Alfred is that there's dollar
signs everywhere in thisindustry right now.
The world is waking up toneeding to be healthier.
And they know it and, you know,though the investing in
themselves piece is still slowlykicking in.
There's coaches ready andwilling with their hands open to
(28:05):
take people's money that aren'tliving what they're coaching and
have taken maybe 1 certificationand think they, you know, they
have the right to do X, Y, or Znow.
And it's scary.
Because you are affectingimpacting people's lives and
trust in others, and there'snothing that breaks trust more
than taking someone's money andnot falling through and not
(28:25):
getting them the results.
And I think that's thedifference in this industry
right now.
If I could give a shout out toanybody who's thinking about it.
Is really feel the connectionwith you in that individual.
That is so important.
It's so important.
Just don't go on the resultsthat they say and everything
else.
Have a conversation with them.
(28:46):
You need to look at theircontent, look at whatever and
feel that connection with thembecause you can feel
authenticity and you can feelwhen it's off as well.
And so it's really, reallyimportant to do that because
there's, there's a lot out thereand there's a lot that aren't
necessarily living what theypreach and living with integrity
and it's everything.
Alfred (29:05):
Yeah, 100%.
I love it.
I also wrote down here while youwere talking when you said you
should have started this a yearago, and this is a ringing
ringing phrase I heard is thebest time to plant a tree was 20
years ago.
The next best time is today.
And it's one of those thingswhere that applies to anybody
listening to this that might bethinking about going to the gym,
hiring a nutritionist, a coachtaking a 20 course online to
(29:27):
expand their career or whateverit is.
The best time to do it was awhile ago, truthfully.
The next best time to do it isnow.
And so you can dwell on the lastyear or two years, five years,
10 years, you could, you know,should have taken a different
course in university, whateverit may be the best time to do it
was then when you're identifyingit and you're kind of, you know,
living in that, you know,depressive mind state of like,
(29:49):
that's when I should have beendone, but now is the better is
the next best time.
That's the second best time todo it.
So that's a really cool concept.
I want to talk a little bitabout, you know, you talked
about breath work, meditation,and.
which might be, it's holistic innature, but, and by definition,
which is stupid, but whatever,but it's also on top of other
(30:09):
things that people understand.
Talk to me a little bit aboutthe friction you experienced
during this journey when youreally wanted to go down this
road and people were questioningwhy, when, how, where, you know,
all those questions that we kindof get from everything from,
from coworkers, family, friends,strangers, whatever it may be.
Talk to me a little bit aboutmaybe some highlights that stick
(30:31):
out in your mind.
Maybe even the wife and kids arelike, dad, that's weird.
Like, and it comes from agenuine place.
Like you need to explain this tome because I am completely
ignorant to those subjects andthose topics.
Talk to me a bit, a little bitabout those battles and your
strategy that worked for you.
It may not work for others.
It might.
But that worked for you to kindof, this is just the way it is.
(30:52):
And it's cool if you don'talign, that's fine.
But talk to me a little bit,cause everybody's experiences,
regardless, everybody getsquestioned.
Talk to me a little bit aboutthese questions likely come off
as is arrogant sometimes, but Ithink genuinely they come from a
good place, but talk to me aboutnavigating that a little bit.
Mike (31:10):
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a tricky, it's probably one of the
hardest ones I've had tonavigate because you know that
it involves family as well,right?
And we'll all sneak back towhere, I mean, you know, where
my journey started really is, isafter I was an athlete, right?
I went into the business world.
I burnt myself out.
I was, I can now say I wasdepressed and I just didn't
(31:32):
really know it.
And so I was lacking thatpurpose.
I was lacking finding something.
That fired me up anymore.
I had everything they told me tochase.
I had the house, the wife,you're making great money,
vacations, all of the thingsthat, yeah, you're happy, except
that wasn't you know, and thenLyme disease came.
Right.
And that kicked my ass andshowed me, really just checked
(31:56):
me and ultimately grounded me.
But that's when I had to makeserious decisions because
medical system could not helpme.
I finally got to such a darkplace that I said, I have to
make some choices here and Ihave to become my own healer.
And that's when thesemodalities, I started studying
obsessively and leaned intomeditation.
And so for me, what I saw andwhat I felt.
(32:19):
felt was so freaking real thatthere was no disputing it.
I, you know, I was spoken to, Iwitnessed myself starting to
heal and to me, I didn't carewhat anybody else thought
because I had to be the mostselfish man in the world at that
time because if I was going toget healthier.
(32:40):
Be able to pick up my baby boyswithout being in excruciating
pain, stop crying through thenight and feel like a man to be
able to protect my family again.
I needed to make some harddecisions.
So nobody else in the worldmattered.
It gave me in my weakest stateof my life, the most inner power
I've ever had.
(33:01):
And from then on, my message wasI needed to share it.
And so, was that easy?
Absolutely not.
I built a world around me thatdrank on weekends, that I was
the hype man.
You go to a party with a guywith tequila, that was me.
You know that.
That was me.
That was how I defined myself.
My bar selection in my office,that was my pride and joy.
(33:23):
I built my world around alcoholand partying and and then making
money and got there and realizedhow empty it was.
And so I had to really shift.
I had to stop showing up at theparties.
Right?
And yeah, of course, I got thequestions and I had to look for
other things to keep myself busyand also to validate my life and
(33:46):
my worth.
Because I had just look forthose external high fives.
Oh, yeah.
Prince has brought this again.
Cool.
He's here.
The party's heightened.
They're like, no, man, that'sempty.
There's no value in that.
So, as I explore thesemodalities, do you want to talk
about a 180 between how peopleknew me, then going into this
(34:06):
deep, quiet guy that'smeditating and doing breath work
when half the world didn't evenknow what breath work was.
Yeah, I had a lot of explainingto do and a lot of questions
come at me and ultimately.
My, my answer was to show peopleand first and foremost to show
people in me and my habits andmy behaviors and how I went from
(34:28):
a dad that would, you know, puthis kids in front of the TV to a
dad who would hug his kids inthe morning and look out the
window.
And as that was observed by mywife and my family members in
all the different interactionsin my life, they saw it 1st and
then, yeah, a lot of friendsfell away.
And that was okay, because morecame into my world as well,
(34:52):
because our frequencies attract.
And so yeah, when it comes tosome of these conversations,
though, they, they get awkward.
We just have to be willing tosay goodbye.
And then, but when it comes toour relationships, you know,
that was my hardest one.
As, as I got out of all thatLime stuff and I, this work was
(35:13):
a whole new world for me that Ibecame obsessed with the first
thing I wanted to do was drag mywife into it.
Right, babe, you got to feelthis.
This breathwork stuff's amazing,babe.
I'm doing the spiritual work andthis and that and this like Non
stop and that is unfair to do toour partners.
I've since learned Or I learnedpretty quick around that that
(35:33):
Everybody has their owntimeline.
We cannot pull our significantothers or friends or anybody
into this work And that's whereyou know, the most powerful
thing we can do is do itourselves and leave the
breadcrumbs And but my wife andI had moments where, you know,
she saw me growing, if you will,and she wasn't.
And so she was.
Yeah, thinking we're gettingthis huge gap between us and I
(35:53):
honestly, I was feeling it aswell being like, I just wanted
to do this because of myexpectations.
I was putting on her.
Then when I realized the onlything I could do to truly, if
she, if I wanted her to grow andfeel comfortable and safe to do
so is give her love and space todo so and have zero expectations
(36:14):
and keep working on me.
And so that's really, you know,cool.
As it unfolded yeah, the highlevel, the Coles Notes version,
but I mean, of course, I hadfriends come back as well and
ask questions as friends werehurting as friends were going
through stuff, they would reachout and be like, Mike, I've seen
you change online in the last Xamount of years.
(36:34):
What have you been doing?
And I'd invite them on theinside.
Right.
I had one buddy.
This is my favorite story onthis last retreat.
We just did haven't talked tohim in years and years other
than maybe a couple ofInstagram.
Back and forth, but I'm talking15 years.
He reached out and he said, I'vebeen looking at your shit eating
grin for the last 3 years.
(36:55):
And he said, I finally realizedI think it's real.
It's not just to sell stuff.
It's not just to and he said.
I think I want to come to thisretreat and he came and he said,
like, it's changed his lifebecause he found people that he
could have these conversationswith, and that we're feeling the
same way.
And, you know, got to a certainpoint that it were just like, is
(37:16):
this it?
Right?
And so that's that's yeah,that's that's the journey.
That's the magic of this, butit's, there's a lot to navigate.
There's a, there's a big lonelyphase when we start to grow and
we start to get outside becauseof the world we've built around
us.
Right?
And whether that's drinking,whether that's gaming, whether
that's whatever, a lot of theseare things we distract ourselves
(37:40):
with.
Right?
You mentioned another one formen is a big one is porn, right?
These are distraction methodswhen we have time to kill.
Scrolling, social scrolling isanother one.
This is why I pull this stuffaway with the work that I do
because when you realize thetime that you have and you
realize the productive thingsyou can do or the inner work
(38:02):
that you can do during, it opensup your world.
So much.
Alfred (38:09):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
I said it in my podcast, my wifeis I, these new phones, they,
they give you the ability tocurate your life.
It's just, there's thesealgorithms and engineers and
these entire teams that are,that design it to really
captivate your attention andsell products.
There is a hidden agenda in theworld.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
It's a sell, sell, sell.
(38:30):
It's an exchange of money.
But in my podcast, my wife, Isaid, they, you can have limits
that I mean, some people mightlook at if it's for your
children, but I use it formyself is I limit my Instagram
to one a day, one hour a day.
And people will say, well, whatif I do it for business?
It doesn't matter.
I have one hour a day.
So if you have 55 minutes ofbusiness, you get five minutes
(38:52):
of personal time.
If you have an hour and a halfof business, you're pushing a
half hour to tomorrow.
It's one of those things where,and then what happens when I
exceed an hour is it goes grayand I can't open it again.
And it's just not, it's notaccessible to me, right?
So you can do that withanything, Snapchat, Facebook,
TikTok, whatever you want.
That's just one method that I'vefound.
(39:13):
And then you track it as ametric.
So you can actually see on yourscale, you can track it weekly,
monthly, yearly.
What's your average time on theapp?
And what Made me want to do thatis when I found when I looked at
it before ever doing it out tothe report is I was spending
over two hours a day on averageon that on that app.
And I'm like, What the fuck am Iaccomplishing on Instagram?
Not much.
Okay, that's got to change.
(39:35):
And so that was just a reallyquick and easy way.
Do it for your kids do foryourself doesn't matter.
That's just something you canliterally listen to go check it
out on your phone.
Apple, Android doesn't matter.
They all have the same feature.
They're a little bit different,but put it on there.
There's also a paid apps you canput, I, I propped this up a few
times, something calledminimalist app.
So minimalist app, I think it'slike 4 a month or something like
(39:56):
that.
And it just, it eliminates thenotifications.
The only thing that comesthrough is phone calls and it
eliminates your background.
So it's just black with the timethat's it.
So it doesn't draw yourattention.
It's not like, Ooh,notification, Ooh, this, that,
and then also it puts your phoneon grayscale.
It only shows yourprioritization apps.
So it only shows like if you doQuickBooks, if you do whatever
(40:17):
it may be, and you have to setit up.
And this is probably the biggesttip I'll give anybody who's
listening to this.
If you're worried about going tothe gym, eating better, Mike's
crazy detox program doing thatapp, like anything in life, when
you change it.
Everything is created aboutefficiency nowadays.
Everything is about equal in,equal out.
Anything you do in life in thenext little bit, you're truly
(40:40):
going to get to a position wherethe amount of time you have to
curate your workouts, you haveto get your nutrition on plan,
start a new habit.
You're going to put 10x.
The amount of time and effortinto it, then you're going to
see, and that's anythingbusiness, personal, relational,
doesn't matter.
You're going to put in so muchtime, you're going to be like,
this is a complete fucking wasteof time, or I'm getting zero
(41:02):
return.
And it's true.
You're not going to get a quoteunquote ROI.
You're not going to get thiswhole fucking bullshit of like,
Oh, you know, you need to makesure that six minute abs and all
this, you know, like fuck offwith that stuff.
Right.
You have to, you have tounderstand.
That once you tell yourself thatyou want to make a change in
whatever it is, you're going toput an insane amount of effort.
(41:24):
You're going to, it's just,that's just how it is.
And once you accept that, onceyou accept that, it's really a
lot easier from that point.
And there will come a time.
Where the amount of effort youput in is going to yield equal
return.
There will come a time, might bea month, might be a year, might
be 10 years.
It will eventually get there,but it sounds daunting because
it is daunting.
(41:44):
It just know that it's scary.
Know that it's a lot of work,but once you do it and once you
get dialed, it's so much simplerand so much easier.
And I think that's where me andyou are probably closer to.
Is that analysis paralysis ofI've gone from wanting to
consume a ton of positivecontent and share a ton of
positive content to living thatcontent.
(42:06):
That's a very big transitionalphase of your life, whether
you're a professional, whetheryou're in holistic.
Once you start living whatyou've been consuming for a year
or two years, 10 years, whateverit may be.
You can read all the Hormozesand Goggins books all you want
once you start living it a bitmore and you kind of go quieter
on social media.
You're not posting as often.
You're not, you know, satisfyingthe algorithm as much.
(42:29):
But then when people see you andyou're like, man, what's this
remarkable man all about?
It's like, dude, it brings somuch more value than when I seen
you more online.
It's like, yeah, because I'mbusy living.
I'm busy doing.
Powerful.
I love it.
One last question here before weget you going here.
I'd love for you todifferentiate.
(42:49):
Between the holistic world andthe modern world, what it means
for you.
We went into Lyme disease andyou went into, you know, your,
your whole journey.
And if people are curious, golisten to that episode.
We don't need to dig into that.
That's a very lengthy story,which we did unpack, but talk to
me a little bit about whenpeople hear breath work and
meditation versus what they'retold is going to be better for
(43:09):
them.
Now, maybe your anecdotalexperience of.
You know, comparing that totherapy or comparing that to
drugs, whether it'spharmaceutical drugs or other
drugs comparing that and whatthat world did for you versus
what you were doing beforealcohol, porn, whatever it may
be.
Talk to me a little bit aboutthe holistic.
Versus what people are told theyshould the route they should be
(43:31):
going down and maybe somebattles that you dealt with with
that, whether it be judgmental,whether it might be shame,
whether it might be, you know, acuriosity, those sorts of
things.
Talk to me a little bit aboutthat.
Mike (43:43):
Yeah, great, great question.
And I mean, for me, mydefinition of holistic is is
360.
Right.
It's just looking at somethingall the way around from a high
level as objective as we can.
Right.
And what I'm going to start onbriefly, because you mentioned
therapy and you mentionedsomatic work, and this is what
I've had a lot of experiencewith is people who have gone to
(44:05):
therapy and people who have I'veworked with firsthand or heard
their stories and not to saytherapy isn't effective.
It is.
It's great.
Right.
And.
But the difference betweentherapy and, and, and when I say
somatic work, I mean, like,breath work, work on the body,
just for those that may notknow.
(44:26):
Therapy gets you talking.
When we're talking, we arespeaking from here, our logical
mind, the part of our brain thatneeds to make sense of
everything.
And so we can only go so deepwith that.
Why?
Because we have a protectivemechanism in there that won't
allow us to go deeper.
You don't want to go deeper.
It gets it's really, really hardto get past that gatekeeper that
(44:50):
will allow you to be a littlebit unsafe and feel like you're
exposed in somatic work.
What happens is, when we breatheand we work on the body, the
1st.
Part to go offline is yourprefrontal cortex.
Is that logical mind?
So we immediately get past thatgatekeeper and we get into the
(45:11):
work that we need to do And thisis why I've I've heard and I've
witnessed, you know Some peoplewho have done years of therapy
in one one hour breathworksession or two hour breathwork
session They've they've donemore than in five years of
therapy And by done more, Imean, created more awareness
around and had some, someanswers come to them, right?
(45:34):
Because in breathwork, what wedo is we bring people to a part
of the nervous system thatgenerally they were in when they
experienced X, Y, or Z, right?
And they get to meet that partof themselves now with the
wisdom that they have today.
Right.
So imagine going back to a timein your life when you had
(45:55):
something traumatic happen.
And no, so many people don'tthink they have trauma until
they do breathwork.
And they're like, shit, I didn'trealize that that thing.
My coach said to me when I was12 has created this story that
stuck with me till today.
And right?
Like, it doesn't need to be thiscrazy, insane trauma.
But that's to me, that's the,you know, the big difference
(46:15):
between the 2.
and I think holistically wouldbe looking at both of them and
the value.
Yeah.
Of of having that somaticexperience and a lot of
therapists and psychotherapiststoday.
I know a lot of them are usingbreath work now because it helps
get there quicker.
And so holistic would beleveraging both of those
therapies.
(46:36):
Right?
And for me, it's always lookingat those, like a lot of the guys
that I work with.
You know, we we've also lookedat getting them off medications
and whether that's an opioidthat they've they've got
addicted to because they were onbecause of a surgery at first.
Right?
And now guess what?
They get prescribed to get offthe opioid.
(46:58):
Another opioid.
Like, it never ends.
Never, ever, ever ends.
I'm sorry in the, in thetraditional system.
The education is to prescribedrugs and, you know, I'm not
going to bash little system.
I think there's, there's many,many uses.
And I think doctors and nursesare incredible, but some of the
training is, is, is, is not andit's funded by big pharma.
(47:19):
So I think there's a hugebenefit to having them.
Look at other other therapiesbecause I've had guys go to
breathwork or do other herbalmedicines that get them off of
their meds.
They've been on for 20 years andhave tormented their lives.
And so yeah, I think I'mtrailing off here.
(47:40):
So I want to get back on track.
But the big question was like,holistic versus.
modern ways of treating things,right?
Or modern medicine, whatever wewant to call it.
Alfred (47:52):
Even, even the perception around it, right?
Like, you know, when you weregoing through that journey, you
know, I, I guess maybe a betterway to phrase the question is
how does somebody get started?
Like when you said that you weregoing through Lyme disease and
that also happened at any timeduring COVID and stuff where
traditional medicine wasn'tavailable.
So you kind of, the boats wereburnt for you and you kind of
just had to go down that road.
Right.
But at the same time, You know,people like, do I go to YouTube?
(48:13):
Do I go to Instagram?
Do I talk to my doctor aboutbreath work, which probably
wouldn't yield much truth ifthey're ignorant to that.
I guess maybe the betterquestion is if somebody's
curious or somebody has beenhaving these thoughts or maybe
is struggling with opioids ortraditional medicine or
frustrated that they can't be afamily doctor for three months,
what are, what are sometechniques or, or, or resources
that you found that workedreally well for you?
(48:34):
Was it hiring a coach?
Was it going on chat, GPT orGoogle, or, you know, what is
really that, that first step,basically giving somebody a
roadmap, go here.
And if that doesn't work, trysomething else, but this is a
great starting.
Is it content consumption?
Is it googling?
Is it the yellow pages?
Whatever it may be, I'm adinosaur.
Fuck.
But
Mike (48:53):
no, no, I think that's, I think that's great because it's,
it's so important today that weempower ourselves, right?
And we've got enough informationout there anywhere to give
yourself a university degree amonth if you wanted to.
So, when it comes to anyaffliction, any chronic illness,
the information is out there,right?
And for us to empower ourselves,if you're, if you're going the
(49:16):
traditional medical way, what Iwould say is anything you're
prescribed, do your research onit.
Do your own research on it.
Don't trust it because, youknow, look anywhere else in our
world.
If somebody gives us somethingto put in our mouth, we're going
to trust it because not todiscredit again, I'm not doing
that, but like, do your ownresearch, empower ourselves,
(49:36):
right?
So that's that's what I wouldsay is wherever that research is
also leverage socials.
Like, there are people with Lymedisease pages.
Now, I had no idea.
And they've popped up since andthere's valuable information
there.
I was bringing in potions fromall over the world.
I was doing coffee and I wasalmost shitting myself every day
for months.
I was doing blood ozonationtherapy that was insanely
(49:57):
expensive, expensive and likedoing everything and till
something worked.
And that's, you know, kind ofwhat we have to do these days
because a lot of the, a lot ofthe ways of modern medicine.
can be temporary or can reallydamage our systems in other
ways, which is going to make usneed other drugs following,
(50:19):
which gets really challenging.
So yeah, my biggest piece ofadvice would just be absolutely
find somebody else who's beenthrough it because we are never
alone as much as we always wantto have our pity parties and
things were special during thesethings.
I don't want that to sound toovicious, but I've been there and
I thought I was.
The only one with Lyme diseasein Canada and it's, it's just
(50:43):
not true guys.
There's always somebody who'sbeen through what you've been
through and find them.
Look on socials, do yourresearch, go on Google, go on
Reddit, explore.
And if something feels right,test it out for your body, see
if it fits.
And yes, there's a lot ofcoaches.
I'm connected with plenty ofcoaches right now.
(51:03):
One who's reversing her mom'sdementia.
It's insane.
She's, she's doing adetoxification process and she
now coaches on that as well.
So there's, there's people outthere that are working in these
niches.
Especially during this massivehealth boom that is not going
away.
It's really not.
Alfred (51:22):
I love it, man.
No, all that's really goodstuff.
Before I let you go, one thing Ijust want to kind of address is
that fear of failure.
I was going to mention itearlier when you talked about
when you opened up the consciousclub and then closed it just as
quickly and some people may havegone through that and that
demotivated them to do what theywanted to do and I think this is
kind of the same thing is it'sokay if you're going to go down
this road and you try breathworkand you're like it's not for me,
(51:43):
I have too many mental blocks,it's just not my cup of tea,
maybe meditation works So justdon't get discouraged when you
try something new, you know,don't get discouraged when you
go to the gym for the firsttime, you can't walk and you're
walking funny for the next sevendays.
Part of the game is part of theprocess, right?
So that fear of failure, thatfeeling again, when I said the
amount of effort you put in,there's going to come times
where you just open the wrongdoor.
(52:04):
You just go down the wrong path.
You try the wrong thing.
You download the wrong app.
You hire the wrong coach.
You go to the wrong doctor.
It's going to happen.
I say, just trust your gut.
Right.
Is if something is calling youand then you try and you're
like, ah, my gut was wrong.
Don't never trust it again.
Try something new.
If you're taking a medicationand you're like, this is really
fucking me up, but your bloodwork looks a bit different, or
(52:24):
the doctor's saying, no, give itmore time.
Like, trust your gut.
Go with it, right?
And it's okay to try and swingand miss, right?
That's totally fine.
So, I love that component of it,man.
I want to let the people knowwhere they can find you.
I want to see what you have onthe go in the next little bit.
Yeah, give some people just, youknow, where they can find my
prints what questions, if theyhave any, what they can ask you.
Give people the download, man.
Mike (52:45):
Of course, appreciate you, brother.
Most active on, on Instagram,TheConsciousCreatorCoach or
ConsciousCreator.
World is my website, and Yeah,reach out anytime.
Honestly, I'm an open book.
I'm happy to answer questions asif you can't tell I'm super
passionate about this stuff.
And yeah, I just, I just lovehelping people elevate.
(53:07):
So
Alfred (53:08):
beauty, man.
Well, I appreciate your timetoday.
I hope people got value out ofthis.
And yeah, if you need anything,I'm going to put everything in
the show notes down below.
There'll be tons of links toclick.
And yeah, that's all I got,brother.
Appreciate your time today.
Mike (53:20):
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
Always a pleasure.
Alfred (53:23):
Awesome.
All right, guys, that's it forthis episode.
We'll catch you in the next one.
Well, that's it for thisepisode.
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