[EP16] “Lets Talk Politics & Do You Actually Have Rights?

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Alfred (00:03):
Hey, everyone, and welcome to the unmodern podcast,
the podcast where we haveunscripted, unapologetic and
uncomfortable conversations thataffects everyday people.
If you've ever had an outlook,thought or an opinion that
modern day society told you tobe silent on, That you would get
in trouble for, or if you'veever heard the words, probably
shouldn't say that, then this isthe podcast for you.

(00:26):
My name is Alfred, a husband,father, and an adventure seeking
kind of guy, who over the yearshas learned to have a positive
outlook on life, regardless ofwhat society throws at me.
So if you're ready to listen,let's go.

(01:02):
Mr.
Robin, thanks for coming on thepodcast, dude.
I am fucking jacked for thisepisode.
This is going to be so good.
Let's go.
I'm glad to be here, man.
Glad to be here.
It's been a while.

Robin (01:11):
Yeah.

Alfred (01:12):
Yeah.
Well, thanks for coming on.
Robin, a longtime coworker ofmine.
We have fun.
Fun little chats shift work canbring out the best and the
funniest in people when you'reat your most vulnerable and most
tired and still have to do yourjob.
Been a shift worker since I was17 years old.
So I live in that space, but Iappreciate you being open minded
and coming on the podcast totalk about some stuff that I

(01:34):
think is important.
And I know you echo that samesentiment, but some people are a
bit abrasive to it.
So we're going to drop somebombs today.
We're going to haveconversations that people may
not want to have, but would loveto hear.
And I'm looking forward to that.
Nice.
Me too.
Me too.
Yeah.
Okay, so first of all, let's getto know you, Robin.
Where you grew up, what you do,what's for fun.
We're not going to get too muchinto your backstory.

(01:56):
We're just going to kind ofspitball it on some politics and
some other stuff, but just alittle bit of background.
Who are you?
Why should people be interestedin Mr.
Robin?

Robin (02:03):
Well, I don't know about the last part, why anybody
should be interested in me, butI come from a small town,
northern Manitoba.
You know, kind of like a bluecollar kind of family, you know,
my, both my parents wereteachers.
But when I was young, you knowmy dad was a teacher.
My mom, she she taught in ourprivate school that we're, that
we're a part of.
So she was really big into that.

(02:24):
And so I was private school myentire life.
Kind of a little different thanwhat most people do.
Yeah, K to 12 and then this kindof like you know, I wandered
around the prairies a little bitgot married, had some kids you
know, just a typical kind ofWestern boy, but you know, found
my way to Calgary at one pointgot married.
That's where I got my kids andback and forth.

(02:45):
I've been to, you know, I'velived in Manitoba, Saskatchewan,
Alberta, all three provinces offand on for different periods of
my life, but Alberta is home nowand kind of probably will stay
home.
Yeah.
Until such a time as it's not,then it, I don't, can't think of
any other province I'd want tolive in right now, to be honest.
So, yeah, so yeah, wife, twokids just kind of like a normal

(03:05):
everyday guy.
I I, I, I just go to work, workhard, take care of my family,
try to do the right thing.
Yeah, yeah, so in a nutshell, Iguess, yeah.

Alfred (03:17):
Amazing.
Yeah, I think that's fundamentalin when we hear the term good
guy and hear the term family manand all these sorts of things.
It looks boring and it can beboring.
I enjoy my life.
It's nothing crazy exciting.
I mean, this is kind of one ofmy passion projects, but I
believe for you, hunting is abig one of yours sitting in the
bush, quiet, nothing crazy.

(03:38):
It's not flashy.
And yeah, yeah, I think that'skind of the, the doom and gloom
of, of why people live up to bethis social media expectation or
this excitement expectation.
And that's not where the sauceis.
I know for me personally, I, Ican't live in that upper
stratosphere of excitement andgo, go, go and, and all that
stuff.
I have a nice little saying frommy wife, whenever we go on

(04:00):
vacation, when we come back, weneed a vacation from the
vacation.
Cause, you know, you can only dothat for so long.
I actually just dropped anepisode a friend of mine, Cam he
lived in Costa Rica for fiveyears and he would wake up, go
surfing every single day.
And he's like, that wasn't forme.
And some people might listen tothat and be like, what the fuck
are you talking about?
That sounds incredible.
It's not, it's not all it's it'scaked up to be right.

(04:21):
Maybe if you're, if you grow upin that culture but that's
certainly not Canadian culture.
It's certainly not what I wasraised in and it's not what I
want to do.
So,

Robin (04:29):
no, it's odd that people have this idea of retirement,
like, and so they look at him aslike, Oh, awesome.
You got to retire to Costa Rica.
And even like, as I was, I wasjust raised, I had this thought
in my head from people that waslike, the goal was to get to
retirement and then I'm justgoing to relax.
And as I got older, I realizedthat that's mostly bullshit

(04:50):
because you know, that wholelike freedom 55, remember those
old commercials, freedom 55, itshows these people like sitting
on the beach.
Drinking, you know, cocktailsand just living life and you're
like, yeah, you can go onvacation for a couple of weeks
and you're sitting on the beachand then it's like, well, now
what?
If that's vacation, like that'snot retirement.
Like retirement is, is somethingthat has changed for me.

(05:11):
Like, I don't know if I'll everretire.
I'll just move on to differentpassions, different projects,
different things, because yeah,like, you know, how you talked
about how it's like, you know,the average, normal, everyday
guy is not sexy.
It's not I'm not the Cam Hainesof hunting, you know, where I'm
not the David Goggins, you know,who's just like, I mean, these

(05:31):
guys, you know, they're our, ourfreaks, that's just like, it's
an, it's not meant to be a badword.
It's just, they're freaks.
They're the abnormal.
They're the outliers.
And, and you look at the cost ofwhat they've had to pay to get
that, and it's not a cost I'mwilling to pay.
I mean, Cam Haines, for all hisgood things, I mean, he's
recently divorced again.
I think he's gone through, like,he's on his third marriage or

(05:52):
whatever it is.
David Goggins, His body isbroken.
His, you know, he probablydoesn't has a difficult time
with a lot of relationshipsbecause it's intense, passion,
intense focus.
And that, but that's how youaccomplish great things.
Like the Elon Musk's of theworld.
How many X, Y's has he burnedthrough, right?
Because they just can't keep upwith them.
And he's not, he's not one ofthose people that is just

(06:16):
willing to do this, but.
Not everybody's supposed to bethose people.
Like the, the core of our world,of our economy is based upon you
and me, the average guy who goesto work, who takes care of his
family, who is committed to hiscommunity, you know, who loves
his children and raises them tobe good people in the next ones.
That's, that's the foundation ofa good, solid country.

(06:40):
And yeah, and that's what Istrive to be.
You know, cause it's like, it'shard to compare yourself to
those people, right?
I mean, I'm sure you've done it.
Where you just see, I mean,social media is bad for that,
right?
You just see these people andlike, man, how are they
constantly every, every week,they're out doing like some
amazing shit.
And it's just like, and you justkind of look at your life and
you're like, well, I get tobundle up in the cold and drive

(07:02):
and minus 30 to work and work 12hour night shift and then come
home and try to sleep.
And then, you know what I mean?
You're just like, Hmm, the, youknow, I've, I heard a great
quote that said comparison isthe thief of joy.
And so that's something thatI've grown to learn is that.
I, I just stopped comparingmyself to people.
One, I, I'm, I look at theirlife and I go, is, am I willing

(07:24):
to do what it takes to getthere?
And then if I got there, would Ibe happy?
And I'd be like, no, actually,probably not for both of those
because I'd lose everything thatwas valuable to me along the
way.
So I'm just like, but good onthem.
God bless them, man.
Those guys, Be those people thatcan like go out and like, just
slay dragons and, and do thatstuff.

(07:45):
It's not, it's not my, it's notmy story.
At least not, not yet.
Maybe someday, maybe a dragonout there for me to slay yet.

Alfred (07:54):
I love it.
Yeah, to, to address theretirement thing I think the
picture like you, you worded itvery well.
I'm going to spend a littledifferent.
The idea of retirement, I thinkis it is attainable, but you
have to achieve something.
You have to have completed agoal and built something that
carries on past a career, or youhave to have a business that
maybe you become a consultant,or maybe you become that.

(08:19):
you know, that subject matterexpert in that area where maybe
you can just talk for a livingand that's it.
And, and, but you have to havebuilt something, this component
of, you know, Oh I'm, you know,going to retire my, I'm going to
be retired at 30 and all thisstuff.
And it's a, it's a play on wordsthat doesn't make sense.
I think the core definition,which isn't the Webster's
definition, but you have to havecompleted a career of something

(08:43):
And it's a multitude of things.
There's, there's a long career,build a family, and, and if a
family's not for you, it's notfor you.
I think that's bananas.
I can't compute that in my brainhow people don't want to
procreate.
That's crazy, but.
Agreed.
Because that's, that's multigenerational, right?
That's the only way you canensure that your legacy and your
messaging goes beyond you.
It's almost like into the divineor into the future.

(09:04):
There's no other way to do it.
Maybe if you write a good bookand people read it, but that
fizzles out.
It's, it's not, it'smaterialistic.
It's not something of substanceor as, as significant of
substance, in my opinion.
So, I think the idea ofretirement is you have to, you
have to have accomplishedsomething.
Whether that's family, whetherthat's a career, whether that's
a business, whether that'ssomething you have to have

(09:26):
satisfied your why and yourpurpose to a degree in order to
be able to be retired and havecontentment with slowing down
almost the reward at the end ofthe tunnel, you can't be in the
middle of a marathon, stop andbe satisfied that you did
something.
You didn't accomplish it.
You didn't reach the finishline.
You can't, there's no moralfiber that I know in any man

(09:46):
that I'm aware of that would beokay with that.

Robin (09:50):
Right.
And.
And yeah, I like that.
I like that way of looking atit.
And so, and the beauty of it isI don't want to get to a point
in my life where I go and say,okay, I've had these goals.
I accomplished them, like rightnow, my youngest is in grade 12.
So I'm kind of like nearing endof some goals, get them through

(10:10):
high school, get them graduated.
Now it's like, okay, now on afurther career, you know, then
they're going to have children.
There should always be a newchallenge.
There should always be a newthing, a new, a new thing that
gets you going.
Because the problem withaccomplishments is that they,
you've accomplished them.

(10:31):
And now it's done.
And so a man without a visionwill perish.
It's a, I can't remember whatscripture verse it's from, but a
man without a vision willperish.
And so you have to have avision.
You have to have something.
And a lot of people, theirvision of retirement is just to
do nothing.
I want to play golf all day.
I mean, that gets old.
I mean, that's how guys, you seethe, you see these people that
they're high achievers, likeCEOs, executives, like they work

(10:53):
hard, man, they buildbusinesses.
And then they go.
Yeah.
And, and they're buildingsomeone else's business and they
did well, making good money,saved a lot of money, and then
they retire and then within ayear or two, they're dead.
And it's because they threweverything into that.
And then afterwards they didn'tknow who they were.
And, and so we're, we're more ofa product of more than just what

(11:15):
we do and who we are.
And, and some of that, it's kindof like some of that is like,
this is something that waschallenging to me is because I,
I have these goals you know,they call, you know, they call
the big hairy audacious goals,right?
It has to be something that'salmost unattainable.
So that you, you push yourselffor it.
You have attainable goals, butyou have something that's like,
man, this would be amazing.

(11:35):
Right.
How do I get there?
We're working on it.
Right.
But I, I had this realizationtoo, as well as like, well,
maybe some of these goals, thesebig hairy audacious goals, if I
don't accomplish in my lifetime,will I be a failure?
And I kind of go, no, I won't bea failure because I have other
goals and I have the things thatmatter the most that if I
achieve those, I'm successful.

(11:57):
Right.
But maybe that's for the nextgeneration, like, that's how you
talked about that legacy oflike, maybe if I look and go and
say, you know, I want to beworth a hundred million dollars
and I want to be able to go andhave a charitable trust that I
manage that basically like takescare of people who can't take
care of themselves.
And that's, that's like amassive part of your life is

(12:19):
where it's like thisgenerational wealth that grows.
And now it's, it's feeding, youknow, orphans and widows, people
that are literally just thevulnerable society.
I'm like that'd be amazing.
Will I reach a hundred milliondollar trust in my lifetime?
Maybe.
But if my son achieves it or mydaughter achieves it, I, I,
that's success to me.

(12:40):
And I mean, I won't be around tosee it, but that's fine.
I, I, I try to live my life inthat generational mindset of
like, I want to be better thanwhat my parents were.
And I want my children to bebetter than what I am.
I always tell them, I say, Ihope you're a better parent than
I am.
Like, I think I'm a good dad,but I suck.

(13:00):
Right?
I, man, I'm impatient.
I'm snappy.
I do stuff that, you know, it'severy dad does, right?
Like we're not perfect.
And so I don't beat myself upabout it, but I do the best that
I can.
But I tell my kids, I'm like, Ihope you're better than me.
That's if, and if they achievethat, I'll be like, that's
awesome.
And then your kids be betterthan you, you'll have something

(13:21):
to talk about in therapy aboutme.
That's fine.
I'm okay with that.

Alfred (13:26):
That's awesome.

Robin (13:27):
Yeah.

Alfred (13:27):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I couldn't, I couldn't agreemore as, as I, as I've matured.
I've found that generationalmindset really keeps me going.
It becomes your purpose, right?
Your, your children.
And I know that's cliche, but Ithink somebody who's ambitious
and, and strives to continuallybe better, even if you meet a

(13:48):
lot of the metrics external orinternal of accomplishment of
good father of good provider ofgood, you know, partner, all
that stuff.
I think when you're driven,You're critical of yourself, and
you're always looking to dobetter, but there's a finite
amount of time that we're here.
So where you hang your hat on avictory is when your children

(14:09):
pick up where you left off.
You start them off in a betterplace than you are.
There is a caveat, and I'm afirm believer of this, and
there's a lot of personalitiesonline.
Alex Ramosi has a really goodone where he says, if you had to
make someone resilient, Wouldyou give, would you give them an
easy life?
No.
If you had to make somebodymentally tough, would you give
them everything they ask for?

(14:30):
It's so, there's a price to bepaid for these attributes that
not only do we want, but we wantto pass on to our children.
We want to be the sin eaters.
I want to eat the shitty aspectsof life so my daughter can have
an easier life.
The problem with that is bydoing that, She's being set up
for failure.

(14:50):
She will not attain my desiredoutcome for her life if I don't
allow her to go through similarmistakes as me.
I'd love to lessen the burden,but there's a fine balance there
where I can't expect her to be amentally strong person if
somebody starts berating her ifshe's never had to experience
that herself.
I can tell you it all day longand try to Prepare you for it,

(15:14):
but life will always be a betterteacher to my kids than myself.
All I can do is give you thefoundation to be a great person.
Be there when shit hits the fan,you know, good cop, bad cop, you
know, tough love, soft love, tryto have a balance, but she like,
everybody has to go throughthis.
There's no bubble wrapped.

(15:35):
You know, trust fund child thatdoesn't do anything that you
look at and they're like, theyhave life experience.
They have, you know, you know,talking to them about money or
how to build a business.
I'm not going to talk to thatperson.
You know, I'm not going to go tothat person and be like, I'm
struggling with depression.
Like, let me talk to you aboutwhat worked for me.
It's like that, that's not myoutlet, right?

(15:57):
I have to go to somebody withlived experience.
So that's the issue that we'rehaving nowadays is people are so
hung up on your credentials.
They're so hung up on what makesyou quote unquote qualified.
It's like me fucking doing it.
That's what makes me qualified.
Success is

Robin (16:16):
the ultimate qualification.
But only like, so you're goingand doing it like a success.
I survived.
Like I went, I suffered, Iendured.
That's experience.
I'll take somebody who hadadversity And overcame over
somebody who went to school forseven years, sitting in a chair,

(16:36):
telling me how to, you know,manage my stress as some guy
goes, I was in the shit.
This is how I did it.
This is how I overcame.
This is how you do it.
And I'd be like, thank you.
I'll listen to you.
I mean, we, it's just a symptomof our society.
Like we can get like our wholesociety is based upon.
I want an easy answer.
I want an expert to tell me whatto do.

(16:58):
I want, I want somebody to takethe responsibility.
I don't want to grow and learn.
So you came from, you know, likenot dirt poor, but you, you
didn't have a lot.
My family, we did not have alot.
I remember taking one bigvacation as a family.
That was, that was a big deal.

(17:20):
And, but we were never, wealways had food, but I remember
it was tight.
It was a lot, it was a lot oftight, but that adversity made
me want to go out and find itfor myself in the world.
Find the My own success.
So the challenge now as aparent, as a culture as well, is
that we have so much.

(17:42):
And so we feel that we'resupposed to give it all to the
next generation or to the kidsor to whoever asked for it,
because you shouldn't suffer.
Suffering is bad.
People say like actuallysuffering builds perseverance.
So I'm not talking about, causeI mean, the, one of the fruits
of the spirit in the Bible islong suffering.
So if that's something to bevalued.

(18:04):
Perhaps we shouldn't avoid it.
Giving your children, givingyourself intentional suffering.
So this is something that thatsome of the stuff that you've
encouraged me into, I like this,is like, like cold plunging.
That's a short dose ofsuffering.
Every single time you go to jumpin the water, like when you're
chipping ice, we're chippingice, and you look at that water

(18:26):
and I go, there's nothing in meright now that wants to get in
there, except that, except Iwant to extinguish the little
bitch inside of me.
That's what I want to get inthere.
And that requires suffering.
And so you get in there and it'scold.
And for the first, like, what'sit?
He's about 45 seconds.
Everything.
Your body is saying, get me thehell out of here.
You're going to die.

(18:47):
And then you're just going andsaying, no, you won't.
You're going to be okay.
You're telling like, it's, it'syourself.
And you see, some people will go30 seconds.
Some people go a minute andthey're out.
And I'm just like, I can go thethree minutes at zero degrees.
Like is cold.
And so you have to give yourselfsuffering.
I like what you did justrecently where you went and

(19:08):
climbed that mountain and somepeople would be like, Oh, you,
you know, he climbed it for theview.
And you're like, yeah, the viewis great.
But you climbed that mountainbecause it was hard and it was
there.
And if you don't give yourselfsomething hard to do, then you
get soft.
And I mean, that's thechallenge.
We're in a time of soft men andAnd I'm not talking about, we

(19:34):
all need to be you know, theDavid Goggins, we don't need to
be, you know, like hard, hard,hard, hard, but it's like, we,
we need to be harder.
We need to be better.
We need to be tougher.
That's part of the challenge Igo with hunting is that, can I
sit out there in the quiet bymyself or with somebody else and
put my phone down and just be,it's, that's hard to just be

(19:57):
still, not to like on what's onInstagram or.
You know, and then to like takecare of an animal like this,
this, this fall, we, we got amoose and we had to drag it out
piece by piece from the bush.
And it just killed me.
Like I was like, but when we getback to the truck, grins to ear
to ear, man, because I was like,owie, that was awesome.

(20:18):
We just about died.
That was great.
Like, It, I needed that.
I needed that.
Like I, you said you saidsomething the other day that was
it was great that you said, lookfor something every year that's
going to feed your soul orsomething for the, I don't know
exactly how you said it, butfeed your soul for the next
season that you can just lookback on that and just like, mm,

(20:39):
remember what that was like, doyou remember how hard that was?
Like for me, yeah.
Hunting.
I got this moose.
You know, I've got some animalson the wall.
Like I remember hauling thesethings out of the bush.
I remember the pain.
I remember the suffering.
I remember it.
I'm just like, oh, that's, it'sbeautiful.
It's so sweet.
And then when I get to eat themeat, it's even better.
I'm like, every time I have likea moose steak.

(21:02):
I remember that hunt and it'sthe only sadness is that
eventually eat it all, but youknow, then you'll get another
one.
So suffering is actually partlythe reward of life.
It is a joy to be suffering.
Like, I know a lot of peoplewould disagree.
Now there is, Suffering, justsuffering, but intentional

(21:23):
suffering, intentionalintentionally putting yourself
in places that, that challengeyou to be stronger and better
are important.
And I, I, I'm, I'm really shittyat it, honestly.
Like, I, I've gone throughperiods in my life where I'm up
and down with exercise.
And I know that that's a form ofsuffering that to make my body
stronger.
And right now I'm kind of at alower point, but I'm like, This

(21:43):
this next season, I'm like,that's something that's a
challenge.
I'm going to work on to getbetter.
But but I mean, if we, if we, ifwe can take that, this concept
and expand it to society as awhole, we're, we're in a period
of time right now where a lot ofpeople are seeking comfort and

(22:04):
ease.
And the problem with that isthat people are willing to offer
that to you.
It's not real.
It doesn't exist.
So you look at like our currentgovernment, this is the scope of
Canada, liberal government.
They have spent more money inthe last nine years than all the

(22:26):
governments of Canada beforethem.
So one liberal term of one nightis nine years.
So it's like several multipleelections in nine years.
They have spent more money.
Then all the previous primeministers and cabinets combined,
because.
They refuse to allow paint.

(22:47):
And so they're going to give youthings.
They hand out money.
They, they're just giving moneyto anybody that wants it.
They let a million refugees inand because, oh, that's the nice
thing to do.
And you're just like, and I'mnot heartless.
It's not reality.
Someone has to pay for it atsome point.
And the, the inability to acceptthe fact that there's a bill

(23:11):
that the, the reality of lifeis, you can't just.
Do whatever you want.
If I go and just rack up all mycredit cards and borrow as much
money as I want to be like, I'mnot going to pay it.
There's consequences for that.
I'm going to have to face thoseconsequences.
Right.
But as a culture, we're justsaying, Oh, there's no
consequences.
You can print as much money asyou want.
You can tell people they can beor do whatever they want without

(23:35):
consequences.
And we're seeing that there'sjust, it's destroying our
culture.
I'm sure you have seen what I'mseeing.

Alfred (23:43):
I think everybody has seen that truthfully.
I want to address the hard thingto give people a background.
I first heard that by agentleman named Jesse Itzler.
It's a Chinese concept calledthe Masogi.
So the Masogi in Chinese cultureis once a year, you have to do
something so unthinkably hard.
That the normal you would lookat and likely laugh and

(24:04):
basically say like, you're the,this is the stupidest thing
ever.
It has to be challenging.
It has to be something ofduration.
So a three minute cold plungelikely wouldn't do it.
Now, maybe it is for you.
Maybe that is it for you.
Maybe you're the type of personthat has never even come close
to thinking about doing that.
That could be it.
It's just, for me, the mountainwas it, that hike was it for me.
It was physically and mentallythe hardest thing I've ever

(24:29):
done.
It was ruthlessly physical, justuphill, treacherous terrain.
Every step was on an anklebreaking, potentially a
potentially ankle breaking rock.
It, you know, we had to do ascramble.
So in hiking terms, you'rebasically, you know, four
points, three points of contactat all times.
You're very exposed.
You're not tied off one slip andyou could go, you got to be very

(24:52):
intentional.
You got to rethink your route.
And it was to this cabin thathad no business.
Being on the toughest fuckingmountain it was just shy of 7,
000 feet of elevation and it wascrazy.
And I will also say, with theMisogi, and I want to expand on
this a little bit becauseeverything we're talking about I
think is going to come fullcircle.
I had the privilege of doing itwith my two older brothers and a

(25:15):
cousin of mine who flew in fromToronto.
Without them there It would nothave been as victorious.
This is something that I'mmaking a change in my life.
I've identified shortcomings inmy life.
I've made mistakes withfriendships and brotherhoods and

(25:38):
allowed soft feminine society toinfluence me and I can announce
it right here.
That will never happen again.
I will never, ever compromise myintegrity.
and my instincts to make someonefeel good.

(25:59):
I don't give a shit anymorebecause I was so out of
alignment for so long that Ihave three, what I would call
really good, trustworthy friendsand two of them I talked to like
once a month.
I don't have a community closeto me that I see every day,

(26:20):
every weekend do hard shit.
I think that is a symptom of whywe have a soft society.
I think that Is why divorces aredestroying men more than they
ever have.
Now they're more common thanthey ever were, but I am a firm
believer that as a man, yourfriendships with other men are

(26:42):
just as important as yourmarriage and your relationship
with your kids.
It's one, a one B, one C.
It has to be because if youfocus and only put your love and
your effort into your wife andkids and you alienate your
friends, the moment your kidsare out of the house.
You're kind of struggling.
If your, if your marriage hits arocky road, you have nobody to

(27:05):
lean on.
And I would, I would say thesame thing is true for women.
For sure.
Absolutely.
But for men especially.
It's so fucking important.
Yeah.
It cannot be stressed enough.
And we've, we've demonized it,we've demonized it with the
bullshit in US politics likelocker room talk.

(27:26):
Or we've bullshit, bullshit orwe've we've demonized it with
bullshit like, Oh, toxicmasculinity, you shouldn't go to
the gym with your gym bros.
Or, oh, you're a hunter, you'regonna offend a vegan.
It's like, listen bitch, like,this, like, like, You're just

Robin (27:43):
cranky because you need

Alfred (27:44):
some meat.
Like, but whatever, like, likeit's this hypocrisy of, like you
said, people want easy when theyknow that to get what they want
is hard.
I want to live in my house inCosta Rica and I just want to do
my online dropshipping and allthat stuff.
Well, the power lines, theinfrastructure, the people that
built your house, the peoplethat give you running water,

(28:04):
that's all hard shit

Robin (28:06):
that delivers your package.

Alfred (28:08):
Like you know what I mean?
The Amazon driver.
Yeah.
He always sitting down justdropping off packages.
It's like, is it something youwouldn't do?
Likely.
So then shut up, right?
It's, it's that simple.
So, so this whole con, thiswhole concept of in society to
expand on what you were sayingabout, you know, why hunting
matters, why having a Masogievery year matters, but doing it

(28:32):
with other people, you know,Andrew Tate, Andrew Tate has a
great quote where this youngentrepreneur.
Who just made his first million.
And I don't know if you know,Andrew Tate is he's kind of an
online personality.
You know, I actually enjoy someof his messaging because it's
refreshing.
It came out at the right time inthe middle of COVID when men
were struggling the worst.
Yep.
And they, and the entrepreneurput a mic up to him and he said,

(28:52):
if you could give, Somebody, onepiece of advice from a starting
point, what would you tell them?
And the interviewer was like,would you say, make money?
Would you say, go to fitness andall that?
He said, build a team, build ateam because everything in life
that you're going to fight.
Whether it's career, whetherit's business, whether it's

(29:14):
relational, you're going to bebattling other teams and a, and
this is a sports metaphor.
One man cannot defeat a team.
One man operating at 110 percentcannot beat a team operating at
80%.
It can not happen.
Like Michael Jordan

Robin (29:34):
would have been Michael Jordan without that.
The rest of the boys with him,you know, the Pippin, the
Barkley I'm not a major sportsguy, but you occur all those
boys.
Yeah.
If, if, if he was just MichaelJordan at a bunch of high
schoolers, he would shut down.
Yeah.
He would still score a bunch ofpoints, but they'd never win an
NBA game ever.

(29:54):
Because it would just be one guyagainst the entire team.
It just doesn't work.
You're right.
And, and we're not meant to doit alone.
Like, Hollywood has taught usthis bullshit of like, the lone
warrior, the lone guy, like, youknow, the diehard.
It's just him against everybody.
And it's like, it, it, it's nottrue.
Like, that's, it's, that's afantasy.

(30:14):
It, we're, yes, each man wantsto be that guy, right?
We want to be the guy that, Whenthe, when the, you know, the
game's on the line, the ball'sin our hands.
We want to be that guy.
It doesn't matter if you don'thave the team around you, right?
Everybody, we're meant to do ittogether.
And I've gone through periodswhere I've neglected my

(30:38):
friendships with my guys.
And I felt lonely, even though Ilove my wife, I'm happy with
her.
I felt unfulfilled.
I have probably the biggest deerI ever got.
I got on my own.
And I was by myself and Idragged it out of the bush by
myself.
Excellent.
Amazing accomplishment.
I still cherish that.

(30:58):
But once I'd done that, I waslike that year, I had done a lot
of hunting alone.
Then, and actually that was thelast year I ever really did much
hunting alone.
Now I hunt with other people andit was more along the lines of
like, it was great, but I'mlike, how much sweeter would
this have been to share it witha brother?

(31:20):
It, it would have been so sweet.
Like that moose I got this year,it was three of us and just the
bond we built from justsuffering together and, and
suffering, but like weconquered, it was amazing.
I'm still riding that high andI'm going to ride that high
probably till next huntingseason and, and makes me want to

(31:41):
go do it again, but we have todo it together.
Like you're right.
Build a tribe, build a teambecause teams win, individuals
get slaughtered, like, and it'slonely.
Like no one wants to be, even ifyou do achieve some sort of
success, it's lonely and it's,it's meaningless without without
someone to share it with.
So I'm with you on that.
I agree.

Alfred (32:02):
Yeah, I, I think this whole concept of going to a
psychologist, meditating, allthese, all these solo endeavors,
and, and they help to a degree.
I'm not demonizing holisticmethods of, of, you know,
dealing with, you know, whateverit is you got going on or
whatever it is that youintentionally or unintentionally
created.
Maybe you move to a new placeand you're lonely there and
you're trying to cultivate newfriendships and you're not, or

(32:24):
your wife gets cabin fever frombeing at home with the two kids
and it's a battle.
I get it.
Yep.
Yep.
But I know for a fact, my wifehas come out of her darkest
spots with other women, becausewhen she comes to me and she
tries to empathize with me, I'mhaving a hard time.
I can't empathize with her asmuch as her women friends who

(32:44):
have gone through the samethings.
Conversely, as men, when we talkabout money being sole
providers, it's difficult tohave that conversation with my
wife.
It's difficult to have thatconversation with my wife's
coworkers.
It's easier to have thatconversation with men that are
in the shit, same as me, or menthat were in it a few years ago
and found a way out.

(33:05):
How did you do it?
Can you give me a little bit ofhelp?
What were some things that youdid?
I'm not looking for an easyanswer.
I'm looking for the answer.
Yeah, right.
And you might say you're eatingfucking ramen for two for a
month to get out of thisshithole.
You're like, it's not what Iwanted to hear, Robin.
What the fuck?
But you got to do it.
You know what I mean?

(33:25):
Because as men, we're not, we'renot afraid to give that feedback
to each other.
No, right.
We're not afraid to give thatreal world answer.
It's like, you know, Robin, youneed to go get another fucking
moose.
Like, you need to fucking, youknow, I know you don't want to,
I know you're working, or I knowyou're struggling, or you need
to get the fuck in the woods andkill an animal.
Not only just to put meat on thetable for the family, but for

(33:46):
your own fucking psyche.
Get the fuck out there

Robin (33:49):
and do your

Alfred (33:49):
thing.

Robin (33:50):
Like I remember it was during COVID.
And it was one of those periodswhere they're like, Oh, you,
you, you know, we're within athousand meters of somebody who
breathes COVID at one point.
So we've got to lock you down.
And it was just nonsense.
But I remember I was stuck inthe house for like a week or
two.
And my wife, she looked at me.
She's like, you're going nuts.
You need to get out of thehouse.

(34:10):
And so she's like, you need togo and blow some shit up.
And so she's like, and take yourson with you.
So I was like, so it was a goodwoman, like, and she's amazing.
And, and so, yeah, we did that.
I grabbed some shotguns.
We went into the, it was middlewinter.
We went into the forestsomewhere and shot some trees
some old dead trees.
We blew them up.
They knocked over.
It was amazing.

(34:31):
Came back different, completelydifferent.
I, it was like, I needed to getOut and do something.
And my son, as he's getting, ashe was getting older, as was
able to kind of become a part ofthat.
But yeah, it's you're right.
It's if, if we spend our timebeing insular and just looking
inside, we lose, we lose thatperspective.

(34:53):
Because you can, I mean, you seepeople are in therapy forever
and it's just like, it can bethis cycle of.
I don't even know how todescribe it where it's just
like, you just, you just, it'sself, it's self serving.
And at the, at the end of it,you run Bravo and it's still
just all you.
But if you go and you do and bewith other people, it's it's

(35:16):
freeing and it's liberating andit opens things up to you that
you wouldn't know before.
Is it balanced for everything?
Like I said, I'm very, I believein holistic.
I, I believe that therapy isuseful and many times not
against it, but you just, you doneed to make sure that that's
not the only thing you're doing.
So, yeah, yeah.
So I wanted to ask you aboutsomething here.

(35:38):
So recently, it's a bit of adivergence in topic, but
recently we, we saw so DonaldTrump just president elect now.
So just wild, wild story.
Like Wild.
It's amazing.
And we're seeing, we're seeingthat happen.
And so then like, so our primeminister goes to, you know, for

(36:00):
lack of better term, kiss thering, right?
You know, they're our largesttrading partner.
300 some million people were 40million people or something,
whatever.
So we're definitely the lesserpartner, but he had to go and
kiss the ring.
And apparently it didn't gowell.
From what I'm hearing is thatbasically he said that Canada,
maybe Canada should be the 51ststate and Trudeau could be the

(36:22):
governor, which is just wild fora president elect to say to any
country, wild.
And then, and then the next dayhe posts a picture of Donald
Trump, post a picture of himselfthat's with the Canadian flag in
the background says, Oh, Canada.
And I'm like, what is happeninghere?
Like.

(36:42):
Like, what do you, what do you,what is your take on that?
Like it's as a, someone who'sborn and raised in Canada, like
what's your, what's your take onthat?

Alfred (36:50):
Yeah, this is a great segue.
Can you hear that?
That noise in the background?
No, you can't.
Perfect.
Fantastic.
Good.
Yeah.
They're just going nutsdownstairs.
Sorry.
My opinion of that is exactlywhat we discussed is you have a
soft man with zero spine thatdoes not know how to run an
economy.
This man has never done businessin his life.

(37:13):
And he is a trust fund child whogrew up with his father being in
politics, unaccountable hiswhole life.
That's his vision for life.
I don't believe Trudeau is aterrible human.
I think he's a, he's probably agreat dude.
I don't, like, he probably wantsto take his kids to sports.
The problem is he's a product ofhis environment.
So he's going to talk to one ofthe most arguably best

(37:38):
businessmen and the bestpolitical marketer?
In the history of politics.
Not even fucking close.
And you're trying to talk to himabout trade.
That would be like, that wouldbe like Elon Musk talking to my
kindergarten teacher aboutSpaceX.
It's not even in the samestratosphere of a comparison.

(38:03):
But he's going there with thetitle, Prime Minister.
Trump doesn't give a fuck aboutyour title.
And what I find hilarious, Isthe liberal or Democrats in the
United States.
And then we have the liberal NDPstyle you know, soft, you know,
generous people allowimmigration, you know, take care

(38:23):
of the homeless, all thesethings.
Is it somewhat needed?
Sure.
But they have this softapproach, and then you see
things like churches burning inCanada during COVID because of,
you know, there was residentialschools in Canada, and we have a
tainted history, and I'm not,I'm not oblivious to that.
The U.
S.
has a tainted history with, youknow, black slaves, and they
have a history with, you know,imprisoning Asians, and then

(38:46):
cause I think that was thePacific Rail, I can't remember,
I'm not a history buff, I'm nota, the Charlie Kirks of the
world, that guy's

Robin (38:51):
incredible.
World War, World War II, they,they Imprisoned on Japanese
people just because they'reJapanese candidate to

Alfred (38:56):
like, you know what I mean?
And so so these countries have ahistory but what i'm finding
hilarious is It wasn't okay.
And sorry, I shouldn't sayhilarious.
What I find is a seriousdiscussion is it wasn't okay
During covid for me to bepatriotic.
It wasn't okay for me to say Ifyou tear down that sir, john a

(39:16):
mcdonald statue, you're a pieceof shit It was, I wasn't allowed
to say that and we've seen itall over the country, Montreal,
Vancouver Calgary on Ottawa,we've seen basically Canada's
history being ripped apartbecause we have a tainted past
by people who either fled toCanada or are born in Canada but

(39:39):
don't accept what made usCanada.

Robin (39:42):
Well, the problem is you see people tearing down things
they're the, you're tearing downstatues and destroying the
history of people who builtthings.
By people who did nothing.
So these people were tearingdown statues.
People are protesting thestreets.
What have they done?
You look at 99.
99 percent of them have neverbuilt a business.
They've never done anything ofmeaning.

(40:04):
They're just angry.
And.
And so they go out there, Imean, that's what they, you
know, like you know, where theterm vandals come from.
So vandalism, right?
They vandalize these statues.
Vandals come from the, thevandal tribes of Germany who
raided Rome and just destroyedeverything.
They, they, they didn't buildany culture.

(40:24):
Rome was the epicenter ofculture at that time.
Like it built all thesebeautiful things.
Colosseums.
I mean, all the good and badwith it, but they had built.
They had built a culture, theyhad built roads, aqueducts, they
had, they were productive andthey had built these things and
the vandals came in and justdestroyed everything.
And so we're living in an age ofvandals where we've allowed the
vandals to come in that arealready in our country.

(40:48):
Canadians, non Canadians,doesn't matter, they're just
vandals.
And so they're taking anddestroying everything we have.
Of course, it's not perfect.
My children could look at me andsay, you know, Dad, you, you
weren't the perfect Dad.
So that means that we need toforget that you ever existed.
It's like, no, that's not how itworks.
Like we can't destroy ourheritage, our past, because it's

(41:10):
what made us who we are.
We can be better, just like Isaid earlier, that I want my
children to be better.
We can treat people better thanour great grandfathers did.
For sure.
We don't destroy.
We don't just like tear downbecause what, what are you
replacing instead?
Nothing.
They have no solutions.
These vandals have zerosolutions for our thing.

(41:33):
Black Lives Matter, rotate,rampaging through the streets,
destroying everything.
Just, just, just burningbusinesses to the ground.
Why?
What were they solving?
Were they producing anything ofvalue?
Did they have solutions?
They're just, we're angry, sowe're going to destroy things.
And I know it's anoversimplification of it.

(41:54):
I'm sure there's some people whohad some solutions.
But generally speaking, you lookat the masses, it was nothing.
It was nothing but pent upanger.
And, and I, I, I think you and Iare, are not alone, but we're
tired of it.
I'm tired of seeing I'm tired ofseeing our countries just, just
torn apart by weak men and womenwho all they want to do is, is

(42:18):
throw stones and tear down andtake all they really want is be
like, how many I need morebenefits.
I need more things that thegovernment provides.
You know, and, and it's like,well, ask yourself how, where
have most of the problems in ourlife come from generally
speaking?
Problems in our cultures is comefrom government, right?

(42:40):
Government overreach residentialschools instituted by the
government, you know, so let'shave more government to solve
that problem.
It's insane like I was actuallyjust starting to listen to that
show You just uploaded thismorning that it says you can't
solve a problem with the samemind that created it So you you

(43:00):
can't solve a problem thegovernment created by adding
more government You It's insane.
It's insane.
You're just like, but people goand say, Oh man, this is a
problem.
The government needs to getinvolved.
I love Ronald Reagan when hesaid the most terrifying words
in the English language are I'mfrom the government and I'm here
to help.
And it's just like, it's like,it's so true.

(43:20):
I remember, I remember apolitician knocked on my door
once and, and they, they justsaid, what, what can we do for
you?
What do you want?
I said, I want you to do aslittle for me as possible.
What I want from you.
Is to be small and not botherme.
And they just kind of looked atme like, well, what kind of
policies are important?
I'm like, less of you.

(43:42):
I, I, we need government.
I'm not an anarchist, but I'd belike, I want you to have very
little impact upon my life,which means you can't brew in my
life.
You can't just.
Arbitrarily decide to justdestroy Robin.
And so I'm good with that.
The bigger you are, the more ofa problem you are.

(44:02):
And you look at what's happeningin Argentina, Javier Millet,
right?
I think that's Javier Millet,man, chainsaw chopping down
ministries.
It's a miracle what he'sachieved.
Argentina 1500% Inflation ratein 11 months, he brought the

(44:23):
inflation rate down to likesomething like 5, 7%, or it was
under 10 and had a 300 millionsurplus projected.
It's, it's, it's insane.
Like, it's crazy.
And Argentina was as bad as itgets for a runaway economy,
pretty much.
I just want some of that.

(44:44):
Like, like, do you know what Imean?
Like if I, someone came in hereand says, listen, guys, we're
going to cut about threequarters of the government
program.
So I'd be like, Oh, sign me up.
How do I get involved?
That's what I want to hear.
I don't want the government tocome and tell me what they're
going to do for me.
What you can do for me is getout of my life.
And I mean, well, think,

Alfred (45:07):
yeah, think, think about it.
Well, if, if, if you had abusiness, And you came on a
podcast and you said, I justlanded a government contract.
What's the first thing thatcomes to your mind?
That's a good contract.
That's a lot of money.
That's a lot of money.
You just got a, you, you justgot a big contract.
And then me as a citizen.

(45:27):
Wow.
Robin got a big contract tobuild an overpass.
It's likely going to be doublethe budget.
And it's likely going to be twoyears behind schedule.

Robin (45:38):
And I'm probably would think less of you.
Honestly, I, you think less ofme?
Well, if you got the governmentcontract, you're good to go.
If you got the governmentcontract, so if you got the
government contract, I thinkless of you in a way, and I know
that's terrible to say, becauseone part of be happy for you,
but like, good, your businessesdo well.
You can, you get a fat contract.

(45:58):
But the other part of me is justlike, ah, anytime you're taking
money from the government, Ifeel like you're kind of
stealing from people.
And, and you should feel thatway,

Alfred (46:06):
honestly.
But I think, but you feel thatway because of how unaccountable
government contracts are.
I think if you had an Elon Muskrunning the, you know, the
infrastructure department ofCanada.
And he hired, you know, yourcompany or my company and we
were successful and we came tohim midway through the contract,
we're like, yeah, we're waybehind schedule.

(46:27):
Elon would be like, you havetill this to get it done.
And if you don't, you're gone.
It's that simple, right?
That's how it works.
This whole concept of how peopledelineate between government and
business.
Government can't be run as abusiness.
It's a fucking business.
It is.
It's a corporation.
It's a fucking business.
Canada is a corporation.

Robin (46:49):
It has committees.

Alfred (46:50):
Do you know what the difference between a committee
and a board of directors is?
Nothing.
Not a fucking thing.
You have people at a tabletalking about dumb shit,
drinking expensive coffee,wearing expensive suits and
dresses, talking about how tomake money.
That, that's, like, there's nodifference.
You know, every municipalgovernment is required to have a

(47:12):
reserve fund.
You know what that's called?
That's called a savings account.
And it collects interest.
Yeah.
And do you know what it's therefor in case something happens?
Right.
That's right.
Businesses have that too.
Do you know what my business hascalled a line of credit.
If something happens, I dip intoit.
I hope I don't have to, but Idip into it.
Government is a business.

(47:33):
They employ people.
They pay remittances.
They have pensions.
They have benefit plans.
They do all this shit.
They, you have, you have what'scalled cash flow, money in,
money out, money in, money out,money in, money out.
And you have elected people thatdecide how to spend that money.
The problem is there's noaccountability, right?
There's no accountability.

(47:53):
There's no free market thatcompetes with them, that holds
their feet to the fire.
I'll use a great example, rightnow in the United States, and I,
and I want to focus on Canadianpolitics as much as I can, but
right now in the United States,you have an outgoing president
that is I don't want to sayadmittedly, but pretty obviously

(48:14):
compromised.
This guy, this guy is not in theright state of mind has said for
the last 11 months, he's notgoing to pardon his son has
openly said it in interviews, atpress conferences, all this
stuff.
You, you're not, you're notabove the law.
You're not above the law.
There's montages going around ofliberals and conservative MPs
going around saying you're notabove the law.

(48:34):
It's like, you have to allowjuries.
And, and, and, you know, kindof, you know, blind justice, you
know, the Statue of Liberty withthe blindfold on it, it's a U.
S.
Constitution, it's a, it's abranch of government.
You have to allow it to run itscourse.
And Hunter Biden was foundguilty.
He was found guilty.
And he was being sentenced onDecember 12th.

(48:57):
And Joe Biden pardons him.
So where is the accountabilityof, you said one thing, and it
involves family, so there'snepotism involved, which is
against the law.
In any way, shape or form.
Yeah.
So, so, so what, where's theaccountability?
Well, he's on his way out.
Don't worry about it.

(49:17):
Or, oh, he's had a rough life.
He's had two sons pass away overhis lifetime.
You know, let him, you know, lethim live his last day.
Like, no, no, no, that that'sstill the, he's

Robin (49:28):
still the president.

Alfred (49:29):
And because the problem is people are products of their
environment.
And, and your attitude reflectsleadership.
100%.
If you have a toxic leadershipculture at a company, but
they're making hand over fistmoney, you're not enjoying going
to work.
You're not your attitude at workreflects leadership.

(49:50):
Your attitude in life reflectsleadership.
Your quality of life reflectsleadership.
Period.
And, and so we're experiencingthat in Canada, where we have a,
we have a prime minister thatcreates a holiday to celebrate
Aboriginals, Truth andReconciliation Day, a very
important subject in thiscountry.
I'm a firm believer, because Ithink we've treated our
Aboriginal people like shit.

(50:11):
And I think we've put them interrible positions, but I think
also there's an accountabilitywhere I think aboriginals have
elected or, you know, they haveterrible elders within their,
within their communities.
And there was that girl inManitoba that ran a hunger
strike years and years and yearsago because her brother was the
secretary and they couldn'taccount for like 8 million and
it was obvious what was goingon, but same thing here.

(50:33):
He creates a holiday.
Truth and Reconciliation Day.
First time ever.
We have a national holiday thatrecognizes this.
And the day that it happens, heflies to Tofino and goes surfing
on a family vacation.
That's fucking bananas.

Robin (50:46):
Yeah, there's no accountability.
No accountability.

Alfred (50:49):
None.
None.
You ran on a political campaignthat you were going to plant a
hundred million trees.
You've been in office for nineyears.
Not one tree has been planted.

Robin (51:05):
He also ran on electoral reform, didn't reform the
election because it looked,because it was,

Alfred (51:10):
but, but that's what I'm getting at.
So there's no accountability.
So the whole structure.
is incorrect.
Like, here in Alberta, we have aconservative government.
I'm conservative by nature.
I do not agree with DanielleSmith giving that what was it,
the AGIM there was like apension funder or the, the
Alberta fund.
She gave them all raises.

(51:30):
And she justified it.
So, what's crazy is you havemembers of politics can vote on,
can, can vote on their ownRaises when the NDP government
was it was in power in Alberta.
They gave themselves a raiseevery single year But yet they
were asking nurses to take fraudto take, wage freezes They were

(51:51):
asking nurse teachers to takewage freezes police and firemen
to take it's fucking crazy I'llgive you another example in
canada if you are a one term mpor higher meaning member of
parliament, so in the federallevel or higher if you serve a
four year term as an electedofficial.

(52:11):
You retire with a full pensionone four year term So I'm pretty
sure you can go back to the last15 elections.
So every four years, it's alittle you know What is that 60
years the election has happenedon the third?
Tuesday of every October thethird Tuesday of every October
the last election the snapelection that Justin Trudeau
called Was on the third Tuesday.

(52:33):
It was on October 24th I believeit was or 22nd next year's
election It's scheduled tohappen on October 20th, so
you're two days shy of fouryears.
Yeah.
So if you a one term MP and youget voted out, you are not
entitled to a pension.
It's under four years.

(52:54):
Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeauhad a closed door cabinet
meeting and they voted in 2025.
The Canadian federal election ishappening on the fourth Tuesday.

Robin (53:06):
That's

Alfred (53:08):
fucking crazy.

Robin (53:10):
And what reason could there be besides?
They want to secure a pension.
There's, there's like, theydidn't even give a reason for
it.
Because everybody knows.
And so they're not even tryingto hide their corruption.

Alfred (53:22):
But it's not, it's not even a reason.
You need to put it to thepeople.

Robin (53:25):
You can't make

Alfred (53:26):
that decision arbitrarily and say it's in the
best interest of the people.

Robin (53:29):
You and I don't go to our job and say, By the way, I'm
going to give myself a 25percent raise this year.
And your boss is like, okay, Iguess that's up to you.
It's your prerogative to chooseyour salary, right?
No, we, you should have thereshould be like an independent
commission or something,something that determines the
salaries.
And I'm not against payingpoliticians.
Well, to be honest, I know somepeople might disagree with that,

(53:51):
but Singapore had a great modelwhere they, they, they pay their
politicians really well, butthey also had a high
accountability as in we pay youwell.
So you're not tempted to takebribes.
But if we catch you with yourhands in the cookie jar, or
doing things that are wrong,they're prosecuted.
So pay them well, but highaccountability.

(54:11):
Right now, they want to get paidwell with no accountability.
That's insane.
And I, I, I don't know, I don'tknow how to fix that besides it,
it, it, it, going back to theconstitutional level.
And I'm not a constitutionalscholar.
I'm not a lawyer.
I'm just an average guy, right?
You and I, we're just, Bluecollared dudes, but it's like

(54:33):
I'm sure there's got to be a waywhere we can go back and start
to restore Our, ourmunicipalities, our cities, our
countries back to where there'saccountability for your actions.
And I know people say, Oh, everyfour years you get to vote and
there's accountability there.
And I'm like, well, yes and no.
The problem is the electoralsystem is set up.
So there's very littleaccountability.

(54:55):
I mean, you look at people whoare elected and they're in there
for 20, 30, 40 years sometimes,right?
Well, where's the accountabilitywith that?
They're, they're not doinganything good.
It's people don't have thismechanism to be able to do it.
I mean, back in the day, we usedto tar and feather politicians
and when they were, when theydidn't do what was right.

(55:18):
So maybe we need to get back tosome tar and feathering and, and
actually taking, holding themtheir feet to the fire is I
don't, I don't, I don't, I don'tknow how we do this.
I, I I'm, I'm at a loss.
But I'm wondering if we're goingto get to that point where it's
going to have to get worsebefore it gets better.

(55:38):
I have hope.
That the, the fever of changethat I've seen in certain
countries around the world.
Argentina is one United States.
You see that fever of changewhere they're just like a
massive wave that basically gaveDonald Trump a mandate that
said, we want this to end.

(55:59):
We want change.
We want to bring our countryback to what made us strong and
great.
I'm hoping that that fever comesacross the border and, and, and
people start to see it.
I, I, I'm, I'm hopeful.
I'm not overly optimistic, butI'm hopeful.

Alfred (56:16):
Yeah yeah, I have, I have strong opinions on this,
and I, I think I have aframework forward, personally.
Let's do it.
First, I, I just want to go oversome definitions to get people's
heads around things, because wecompare Canada and the U.
S.
a lot.
The U.
S.
is kind of compared to a lot ofcountries because they're kind
of the, I don't know what youwant to call it, the measuring
stick, I guess.
Yeah.
And you hear the term democracy.

(56:36):
Democracy.
All the time, right?
Democracy, democracy, democracy,blah, blah, blah.
Well, democracy is not ideal.
Democracy is kind of the, thelesser of all the evils to a
degree, depending on yourstructure.
But to put democracy kind of,you know, in a nutshell, if
there's three people in a roomand two of them vote to kill the
other person because he's eatingtoo much food, that guy's dead.
Democracy.

(56:57):
That's democracy in a nutshell.
Majority rules.
So, in the United States, theyare not a democracy.
The United States is structuredas what they call a
constitutional republic.
Meaning you are a republic ofmultiple states that are
governed by a federalconstitution, but they still
have autonomy over how they runtheir own places.
That's why, in Canada, weed islegal across the country.

(57:18):
But in the United States, Ithink there's 18 states.
That have weed as, as cannabis,you're legally allowed to
consume it.
That's

Robin (57:26):
why there's a

Alfred (57:26):
difference there.
So in Canada, we have a threetiered definition of our
government.
So we are a federation, so weare an organization of regions.
We are governed by aconstitutional monarchy.
So people don't understand this.
So Canada is not a fullyautonomous country.

(57:48):
So the British monarch stillcontrols at the very top federal
level, the structure of ourgovernment.
That's why it's called the courtof the queen's bench.
A lot of our laws and a lot ofour governmental structure come
from Great Britain, right?
The Queen is still the, or theQueen no more, but there's still
a monarch structure to ourgovernment.

(58:11):
And then we elect based off ofparliamentary democracy.
So that's what we call ourfederal government.
And then we call it provincial,municipal, and we go down, but
parliamentary democracy.
Democracy is how we form ourgovernment.
The, where the constitutionalmonarchy comes from is the fact
that when there's a federalelection, I do not check a box

(58:33):
that says Justin Trudeau, PierrePalliev, you know, Jagmeet
Singh.
I don't check that box.
Justin Trudeau is in hisposition not because of the
choices of the citizens, becauseof leadership within the elected
party.
Yes.
And that elected party does nothave accountability.
They can put whoever the fuckthey want from that party as
their leader.

Robin (58:55):
Right, Justin Trudeau could step down and Christian
Friedland could take over.
That's up to the liberal partyto decide.

Alfred (59:02):
Correct.
Which I do not like.
I think that's a huge mistakebecause in my province, I vote
Danielle Smith, I vote you knowAnd she, whoever else, right?
Whatever.
Yeah, whoever, yeah.
Good luck to them.
Yeah, I know.
Not gonna happen.
That's the difference, right?
So we have democracy in Canadaat the municipal, at the

(59:26):
provincial, and at the federallevel, but leadership is not.
Yes.
And I, and, and sorry, Imisspoke actually in the
province of Alberta.
I don't check Danielle Smithunless she's in my writing.
I checked my MP and then they,they appoint Danielle Smith.
So it's kind of the same asfederal.
That I mistake that in my head.
Cause the one year I voted forRona Ambrose and she was the

(59:46):
interim leadership and she'sfrom Parkland County where I
reside.
So there was the same name.
So I associated, but sorry, Imisspoke.
I apologize.
Fact check me on that.
Anything, anything we say today,fact check, do it all.
We're just running off the cuff.
We don't have notes.
So, a few things.
One, government needs to bereduced.
Fucking massively.

(01:00:06):
There's too many committees, toomuch money, there's too much
unaccountable spending.
And another example, I thinkthat every private investment
CFO Needs to be on a quoteunquote board of directors that
approves any major governmentspending like like personal
expenses So example when JustinTrudeau flew on a plane to India

(01:00:30):
and paid for a celebrity Indianchef to cook him Indian food At
a cost of like thirty fivethousand dollars When that
expense hits somebody's desk,denied, boom, red stamp.
Who the fuck is gonna try to gettaxpayers to pay that?
Because the thing is, is I'm notmad at somebody who goes to try

(01:00:50):
to get a bank loan and theymistakenly get approved for more
money.
I'm not mad at that person.
Like, if you went out of yourway and you got a loan that you
cannot afford and somebody gaveit to you, you're accountable
for not making the payments.
But you're certainly notaccountable for getting approved
for the loan.
There's a degree of duediligence that has to, has to
happen.
I don't know how that processworks in government, but the

(01:01:12):
fact that Justin Trudeau cantake an 80, 000 one week
vacation in Tofino, BritishColumbia, is mind boggling to
me.
That is not a governmentexpense.
I don't give a shit if you'reconservative, NDP, liberal, I
don't care if you're DonaldTrump.
There is no department ofgovernment that looks at the

(01:01:34):
slush, slush fund that is theFederal Reserve and says, Yup,
that's a valid expense.
Write a check to the Airbnb, tothe, to, to, to the expensive
dinner, to the surflessingplace.
That's fucking crazy, and itshould not be allowed to happen,
and the fact that it is allowedto happen is criminal.
It's fucking criminal.

(01:01:55):
I agree.
So I think that's a majorproblem major going back to what
I think is a solution when yousay we're just blue collar guys.
How do we get involved?
You get involved at the locallevel.
Yeah, we need to stop punchingup and we need to stop punching
at our level.
What do I mean by that?
I mean, you need to know whoyour mayor is.

(01:02:16):
You need to know who yourcouncilman or your alderman are.
You need to know what's gettingapproved in your backyard.
We need, we need to start havinga sense of community, but the
issue is, is Canada is sotransient.
I didn't grow up here.
Like, I've been in Albertalonger than I was in Nova
Scotia, where I was born andraised as a child, and I still

(01:02:37):
have this sort of soft spot inmy heart for that region of the
country.
I have this sort of pride ofownership and pri and, and, and
patriotism from that area.
So when I hear things go on inNova Scotia, like the forest
fires, or I hear flooding, or Ihear snowstorms, there's a part
of me that's like, man, I hopethey're okay.
And my brain starts producingimages of where I grew up, and

(01:02:59):
hopefully it's not in atumultuous situation.
I have this, this marriage.
To that.
And that's ingrained in my DNA.
And it'll be like that forever.
I've lived in this area, the trimunicipal area for going on 14
years.
Now, as my adult life, mydaughter was born here.
I was married here.
I've owned my, you know, homeshere.
I created my business here.

(01:03:19):
And.
I should be more involved than Iam at the local level, meaning
go to council meetings, be partof the local chamber of commerce
volunteer time at the localrotary club.
These are things that we can dothat will solve some of the
problems we addressed thebeginning of this podcast
meeting, meet new people of highquality, good men, good women,

(01:03:42):
faith based people withchildren.
Like that's where you're goingto meet them and by getting
involved doing that, you becomeeducated.
You're no longer ignorant, soyou remove the emotional
component that we all havetowards politics, right?
Yeah.
So when you see a news headline,I was there, I was there when

(01:04:04):
that got approved, and theyunder, and they, they explain
the rationale.
I may not agree with it, but nowI know, or, yeah, they were
there and they didn't approvethis, this fucking needs to get
done.
And eventually you're gonna findso many decisions that you
disagree with, that eventuallyyou're gonna get to a point
where you'll be like, I can dosomething about this.
I can, I can, I can getinvolved.

(01:04:25):
I can challenge these people.
And how do you challenge thesepeople?
Well, maybe you go and you runfor your school board.
And maybe you want to getinvolved in your school, and
you're sick and tired ofteachers being underpaid, or EAs
being underpaid, or schoolsbeing understaffed.
Have you ever gone to your cityhall, and you walk in, where
the, where the where the themeetings are happening, or the
council meetings are happening?

(01:04:45):
It's fucking clean, they're innice leather chairs, the
building is, you know, Pristine,there's nice fresh plants, it's
nicely decorated for Christmas.
And then you go into a, like, ahospital.
Like, let's use the Mizzicordiaas an example.
And the nurses are sitting onold, ratty fucking chairs that
squeak.
Their coffee machine doesn'twork.
They're only allotted so manygloves so they have to write

(01:05:08):
vitals on their gloves, ontheir, on their hands.
Like, on the back of their handsthey have pen marks that they
write vitals of, of, ofpatients.
Like, all this sort of shit.
It, it, it's so Out of touch.
The amount of times the Albertaledge in Edmonton has been under
fucking construction andrenovation after renovation,
after renovation, afterrenovation.
I don't give a rat's ass about abuilding that's occupied four

(01:05:30):
months of the year.
Do not care.
You don't need 24 hour cleaningservice for that building.
Fuck off.
Agreed.
So again, the people that workin that building, we want the
building cleaner.
We should get 24 hour cleaningservice.
Again, I don't get mad at peopleasking things.
I don't get mad at peoplepushing the envelope.
Who the fuck is approving thisstuff?

(01:05:51):
Who looks at that and says,Yeah, the Alberta ledge was
renovated four years ago, butyou know what?
We've changed government.
We should completely redo themarble on the outside of the
building.
That's a great fucking plan.
That is so beyond out of touchand entitlement.
Yeah, that's what needs to stopand I think where it starts from
us grass roots evergreen Basicsbasics basics level you get

(01:06:16):
involved locally and there arepower in numbers When you have a
group of fathers that show up tothe council meeting and say this
is not Acceptable and you takepictures with your father Phone,
you grab the transcripts, theyonly give you five minutes to
talk.
But if me, you, and seven otherdads go there and we have 35
minutes to talk, our point we'llget across, but we're, but we

(01:06:39):
think of things individually.
We think of things of like, whatcan Robin do to make change?

Robin (01:06:43):
And the

Alfred (01:06:44):
problem is, is you're fighting a team.
You have a team of councilpeople.
You have a team of federalgovernment or provincial
government or municipalgovernment.
You have an entire department.
That is a losing battle from theget, no matter how well
intentioned, prepared you are.
You're not going to win thatbattle.
It's not going to happen.
You have to get involved, andthere's powers in numbers.

(01:07:05):
And it's daunting.
It's like anything.
It is daunting.
It's hard.
It's scary.
It's like, well, what the, like,what if I fail?
It's like, oh.
What if I go in there andnothing changes?
Then you do it again, and you doit again, and you do it again.
And that's how you make change.
And I know I'm talking, andpeople are going to be
listening, and be like, what thefuck are you doing, Alfred?
I'm trying.
I went to a school board meetingnot too long ago.

(01:07:28):
I encouraged my wife, who's anEA, to now start going.
She's getting involved.
She educated her co workersduring the last election when
Danielle Smith won.
And they were like, all irateand stuff, and I printed off
some information on, Google forher, and she had a conversation
with people.
'cause teachers are mostly NDP,they're mostly pro-public
service political parties.
And I don't blame them.

(01:07:48):
They're voting with their ownself-interests.
I get it.
But the problem is they're, it'snot self-interest.
It's not sustainable becauseyour own self-interests are
structured like a union, whichis structured like politics,
which is structured in a waythat's not accountable.
And that's the issue.

Robin (01:08:03):
Yes.
And none of these structures,none of these, like self-serving
structures ever survive.
The long, the long term.
They never do.
They always collapse likesocialists structures inevitably
eat themselves and collapse andI'm not against.
I'm not like I said, I'm not ananarchist.
But it's you're right.

(01:08:23):
They do need to, they just hasto be accountability.
And I have, I've gone to acouncil meeting before it was
actually it was nauseating.
It was frustrating.
And I did go to the legislatureonce with my kids.
It was it was when the NDP werein power.
And I'll tell you, man, it's itwas kind of embarrassing.
I, I mean, you look at your kidsand they're looking at these

(01:08:43):
people and they're supposed tobe the leaders of our, of our
province.
And they're looking at, they'regoing, these guys are just
yelling at each other andheckling each other.
And it's like, it'sembarrassing.
It's actually fuckingdisgusting.
I'm like, You guys, you guys actlike children.
I mean, I don't care if this ishow you do it.
You see the old, they're bangingon the podium.
So they're like yelling andtrying to drown out the people.

(01:09:05):
I'm like, like, is this what wewant?
Is this what we want people?
Like, do you not want the peoplethat are supposedly leading your
country or your province or yourtown to treat each other with
respect and honor and have gooddiscourse and be able to
disagree but come to a consensuswhere it serves the best

(01:09:26):
interests of everybody?
Or do you want people that arejust partisan politics and
acting like children?
It's, it's like, we, you'reright, grassroots level.
I mean, I think we've seen thatwith like, I know the Wild Rose
Party in Alberta was, was for awhile there, was kind of like
that happening, right?
It looked like that waschanging.

(01:09:46):
And then, you know, when it goesso far, the Reform Party, I
remember, I was old enough toremember the Reform Party.
I'm a little older than you.
You probably remember them,don't you?

Alfred (01:09:56):
I think I've heard of them, but I don't remember them.

Robin (01:09:58):
So, like, Stephen Harper was was part of the Reform
Party.
And it was basically an offshootof, like, the Conservative
Party.
It was the more conservativeConservative Party.
And they were actually theofficial opposition.
So they were, they got to bequite large.
But then, you still had the oldConservative Party, and then you
had the Reform Party.
So it was kind of split theright.

(01:10:19):
So then Stephen Harper was a bigpart of that.
Merging that into the newprogressive conservatives and,
and that's who we have today.
But the, that reform party vibewas a war of a Western party.
Like it was all Western Canadavery little East at all.
And so that was the challengewas that it was, it was great.

(01:10:39):
They had great politics.
It was about smaller government.
It was about accountability.
It was about all those things,but still, You know, it, it, it
gets beat down by the, the bigmachine, right?
But you're right, Alfred, it'slike, this is one of the things
that I, my daughter, when sheturned 18 and she got a letter
in the mail from the governor ofAlberta said, congratulations,

(01:11:00):
you're 18, you can vote.
And she's just like, what thehell do I want with this, right?
And, and she's like, my votedoesn't matter.
And I said to her, I said,listen, I said, it may feel like
it doesn't matter.
And it, it, in, in, in, in thestatistical sense of it, it
might not matter.
Right.
But I said, we don't give intodespair.

(01:11:20):
So to say, there's nothing I cando to raise my hands and go,
there's nothing I can do, so I'mgoing to do nothing.
You're like, that's wrong.
Actually, there's stuff we cando.
It's just that we're not willingto do it.
Like you said, we're not willingto show up to the council
meetings.
We're not willing to sendletters to them, to email them
and say, I don't agree withthis.
This is, this is inappropriate.
This is wrong.

(01:11:41):
This is unaccountable.
You know, even to send a, likewe, we could be advocating and
putting ourselves in, in themedia, not that they're much
good, but local media, local,local news articles, we could be
doing more.
Social media is kind of a greatequalizer nowadays.
So we should be using that forbetter visibility, right?
Holding accountable.

(01:12:01):
These people, it's like, theseare the people who voted for
this.
Is this what you really wantedpeople?
I'm with you, Alfred.
I, I agree.
I need to do more.
The, the challenges, the timeand I know that's an excuse.
But we've created, and partly itis society has created busyness.

(01:12:24):
You've got, you need two incomesto survive kind of nowadays.
You need.
Your kids to be in school andthen they, they need to be in
activities.
And so you get to the end of theday where you're like, I've
worked my shifts.
My wife has worked, my kids arein these activities.
I have a little bit of time tospend with my friends.
And the end of the day, you'relike, okay, do I have time to go

(01:12:45):
to this council meeting?
No.
And, and, and that's, that'ssomething that needs to change
in our society.
We used to be where small town,like you grew up in a small town
where if somebody's like youknow, especially for a small
farming community, someone'sbarn needed fixing.
All the men showed up to fix thebarn, and the women showed up,
and they're making food, andthey're doing all this stuff,

(01:13:08):
and it's like a big event, andthey know that because next
summer, it might be the otherguy's barn, and it might be the
other guy's barn, but peoplewere community minded.
So stuff like that, towns wouldbe run a lot more accountable
because people would be like,no, no, this is our town.
They would tar and feather theguy who was trying to steal from
them.
They'd be like, no.
But we've gotten so big, whereit's And, and the, and the, the

(01:13:29):
intent is to keep us busy.
I know it doesn't seem like itbecause all this, I think, but
the intent is to keep us busyand to keep us occupied and to
keep us arguing about thingsthat we can't, as opposed to
just showing up and being like,no, I'm actually here.
We're going to talk about this.
I'm going to have my say at the,at the council meeting, and I'm
going to be back again next weekwhen you have another meeting

(01:13:49):
and you may not like me, but youhave to hear this.
And eventually people start tosee people stand up and go,
Yeah, people are sayingsomething, then they feel
emboldened to do it.
You're right.
We have to be that person whomakes that change happen.
So I, I wish I, I wish it waseasier, but it is hard.
And I'm not great at it.

Alfred (01:14:11):
Yeah, I think the first step is talking about it.
I think I don't want peoplelistening to this and then all
of a sudden, you know, create anew hobby of heckling their
political, you know, leadershipin their communities and all
that stuff.
Mind you, I would love to hearthat or to see that.
So please, if you do go live andfucking tag me in that, I'd love
to see that shit, but, but Ithink the first Part is talking

(01:14:32):
about it.
Like we, we discussed thisbefore we started this podcast,
how like, how many times haveyou mentioned Donald Trump or
mentioned, you know, a politicalproject or a governmental
project somewhere?
And people be like, I can't talkabout politics.
I don't want to talk aboutpolitics.
We're so abrasive to it.
We turn a blind eye.
I can promise you politics hasmore impact on your life than

(01:14:55):
likely 50 percent of everythingelse going on in your fucking
life.
You know that TikTok page youfollow that that fucking helps
you create recipes?
Yeah, government more important.
You know that fucking Instagrampage that you follow that has
cats on there that are fuckingdressing up in different
costumes?
Yeah, government's moreimportant.
So I'm not I'm not about to saythat you need to You know, quit

(01:15:17):
everything else and get involvedin this, but the concept that
time isn't on our side and ourally when it comes to shit like
this, I think is crazy.
And that's for all components ofyour life.
I think that's, if you're not,if you don't work out and you're
like, I don't have time.
And it's like, like, man, listme a thing.
Sorry, list me the things you doon a daily, and I'm sure your

(01:15:39):
health and wellness is up therewell below things that you put a
significant amount of time in,right?
That X Files show that youreally like and keep re
watching, or that Friends show,or that what is it, Lion King?
Yeah, or not Lion King who'sthat fucking guy down south?
I don't even know what it wascalled.
Whatever.
Oh, Tiger King! Tiger King!Tiger King, there it is.

(01:16:01):
Never watched.
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
People love that.
Yeah, trust me, this is moreimportant.
So I mean, I think it's about,firstly, you gotta talk about
it.
You gotta be willing to haveconversations.
You have to educate yourself.
You know, how does thegovernment work?
How does government structurework?
How does the election processwork?
Why is it that Trudeau can notget the popular vote but still

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get elected because of theamount of seats?
Why is it that if a politicalparty wins Ontario and come back
and the entire rest of thecountry votes something else?
The people who win Ontario andQuebec, win.
Carried the day.
Why, why is that?
Why, why, like, why is that?

Robin (01:16:42):
So it's, yeah, like people don't want to care about
politics because they feel thatthere's no point.
But, we have our currentpolitical system and our current
political climate because peopledidn't care.
Because people feel like theydon't.
So, you know, great quote waswhat you focus on or what you
feed will flourish and what youneglect will die.

(01:17:03):
And the way I look at ourcurrent government and our
current leaders is, is justdeath.
Most of it.
Like not, there's, there's,there's spots of light.
There's good, there's some goodones in there, but generally
speaking, it's, we're federallyspeaking, especially it's just
death.
It's just, our country is goinginto a death spiral because
people are go.

(01:17:24):
You know, what can I do?
I don't know.
And you go, you can at least oneshow up and vote every four
years.
That's like step one, but that'slike basic.
My, my thought is voting is a,is actually a privilege that
does not everybody in the worldhas.
And, and you should at least dothat.
And like, secondly, you shouldbecome a little bit more
involved.
Like you said, locally we, it'svery difficult to change the

(01:17:46):
federal climate, but nothing isbetter than success.
So what you can do is work tochange your, you know, your
local climate.
So this is, this is perhaps thephase of life that I've been in
the last while is that how Ican't remember if it was Jordan

(01:18:08):
Peterson said this or somebody,he's like, how can you think
about change in the world if youcan't even make your bed?
And so you have to start, Onewith yourself, if you're like
sitting there going, man, I,I've done nothing good for
myself.
I just sit around, eat junk foodand I don't work.
I'm unemployed.
I just, I just, I'm lazy pieceof shit then.

(01:18:30):
But I should probably go to thecouncil meeting.
Like, maybe you should likeclean up your backyard first.
Then you can go to, but that'sthe problem is that guys will
get to that point where like,oh, they're taking care of
themselves.
But then it becomes all aboutthemselves.
So you have to transition thatfrom there, there to now my
community.
Right.
And, and, and that's how changehappens.

(01:18:50):
It always does happen on thegrassroots level.
Like the, the sweeping change infederal politics in the, in the
United States came fromgenerally from grassroots level.
It was the average personbasically just said, I'm kind of
done with the status quo andsomeone worthy that they felt
was worthy showed up and gavethem a change, something

(01:19:12):
different, and they were, theyshowed up in droves to support
that.
So it gives me hope.
It gives me hope that if we seesomething worth doing, people
will do it, but maybe it's bethe change you want to be and
see in the world.
I don't know if that's Gandhisaid that, but, you know yeah,
it's, it's a, it's a goodchallenge, Alfred.

(01:19:32):
And I, I wish I had a betteranswer for it, but then hard
work and having to do it.
But you know, it's you know, Ilike, what is it, Javi Malay
said, he said I'm going to diewith my boots on.
I listened to him talk to LexFriedman and that quote stuck
out to me that entire thing.
He's like, I'm going to go downfighting.
I don't care if they kill me.
I don't care if I'm 80 someyears old, I will never stop

(01:19:55):
fighting for freedom.
And he's like, I'm going to diewith my boots on.
And that's a, that's an attitudelike coming back to the
beginning of our, where we'retalking about retirement, where
people go, I just got to work,work, work, my head down, ignore
politics, ignored, you know,faith, religion, ignored, or
ignore all these things.
Just make money, make money,make money, retire, and I'm
going to sit and be, and thenmyself, and then they just,

(01:20:15):
they're snowboards and theyleave.
They're like, oh, yeah, Canada'sa shithole so we're just gonna
go live in Costa Rica.
And you're like, you spent yourentire life self serving, then
you left to continue to selfserve.
What are you fighting for?
Like, you have to have somethingthat you fight for.
You have to be bigger than justyourself.
And, and so yeah, I, I, I, I dotry to have those uncomfortable

(01:20:38):
conversations with family.
I've got, like, family that ispretty left leaning and very
hardcore NDP supporters.
Very hardcore left leaning.
And, and I've had some difficultconversations.
But it's very difficult becausethey know I'm a conservative and
they don't necessarily like totalk about it.
Because, but I've had some andit's hard to do it because you

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go and say, we can have aconversation, we can disagree
radically on our solutions forour current problem, but we can
walk away and still be friends.
We can still be family and loveeach other.
We can still sit down forThanksgiving dinner.
That's a, that's something thata lot of people have.
Like you said, you go to talk topeople and they say, I don't, I
don't want to talk aboutpolitics.

(01:21:23):
And and that's, that's not a,that's not a way to fix
anything.
You're happy you'll talk aboutit.

Alfred (01:21:29):
Yeah, I agree.
I kinda, I kinda wanna touch ona thought provoking topic that
I've had in the last little bit.
I wanna get your position onwhat you think rights are.
How they're cultivated.
If people even have them.
Why people have this.
This concept around them.
You hear it all the time.
You're like, I have a right tomy opinion, but not if it's hate

(01:21:53):
speech, I have a right to my ownbody.
It's like, but you're killing ababy or like, there's these
different positions, right?
Where it's like, you have aright to an action.
I have a right to an opinion.
We're at this combative level.
Who has the right?
And, and, and so I just, I justwant to talk about some
definitions here.

(01:22:13):
So Google describes a right as amoral or legal entitlement to
have or obtain something or toact in a certain way.
That's Google's definition.
The United Nations Refers torights as inherent to all human
beings, regardless of race, sex,nationality, ethnicity,
language, religion, or any otherstatus.

(01:22:33):
Human rights include the rightto life and liberty, freedom,
freedom from slavery or torture,freedom of opinion and
expression, the right to workand education, and many, many
more.
That's the United Nationsdefinition of a right.
And then I'm gonna let you spinon that for a little bit, and
then we're gonna talk about theCanadian Charter of Rights and
Freedoms.

(01:22:54):
But, in your opinion, when youhear of a right, what is your
definition of a right?
And then what is your perceptionof how rights influence you and
what your individual rights are?

Robin (01:23:06):
So, there, yeah, so the, the definition of rights rights
and privileges.
Rights and freedoms.
There are, I believe, certainrights that are, I will call
what, what the common term isGod given rights and what that
means is every living person isborn with God given rights, as

(01:23:30):
in that.
should be.
So is it what his website founddescribes that it says when we
say a right is God given, we'resaying that despite the affairs
of mankind, despite humanhistory, despite what you may
want, or I may want, despite therealities for society, certain
qualities of life and living arethe birthright of every living
soul.

(01:23:51):
So I believe that we have Godgiven rights to to live our
life.
and to have a certain measure ofliberty but also the right to
full accountability.
So that the responsibility.
So, and I know there's more toit than that.
This kind of caught me off guardwith this.
I wasn't fully prepared forthis, but, but there are rights

(01:24:15):
that I believe that are there.
Regardless of what we think,what we feel, but my rights
should not infringe upon yourrights.
So it kind of comes to thatlibertarian style mindset where
it's like, my right to, to movefreely about my surroundings, my
right to be able to make aliving, to be able to support

(01:24:39):
myself and my family, the rightto defend myself.
The right of to worship who Iwant to worship, to have like
freedom of religion.
Those are all things that Ibelieve that, that are God
given.
Because he made them inside ofus to have this.
So the problem with somethinglike the Charter of Rights and

(01:25:00):
Freedoms is that they call themrights, but they're not actually
rights in the Charter.
Because if a right can be takenaway when it's reasonable, Then
that's just a privilege becausea right is something that you
have.
It's enshrined into law shallnot be infringed.
The second amendment to theUnited States is a good example

(01:25:21):
that says, and then it literallysays, this shall not be
infringed upon.
This is a right that can't betaken.
The government can't go and say,you can't do this in this
circumstance.
So we don't really live inCanada under any form of rights.
We do have.
Under British common law, we dohave some common law rights and

(01:25:43):
freedoms, which are constantlydestroyed based by our society.
And that's something that weshouldn't accept.
So, but the problem with havingrights and the reason why
they're destroyed and the reasonwhy they're trampled upon is
because by having rights andfreedoms, you are then accepting
responsibility.

(01:26:03):
Okay.
So if I say I have the right to,to be able to make a living, to
somehow, to fend for myself, totake care of my family, to right
to defend myself the right to,to be able to say what I want to
say, I then have to face theconsequences for that.
So if I have that right and nota privilege, a right, then I'm

(01:26:26):
responsible if I don't do it.
I'm responsible if I don'tdefend myself.
No one else is responsible.
So I'm responsible to work hardand find a way to pay for myself
and my family in any way.
But I have a privilege.
I have a responsibility tomaintain that.
And if I don't, I face theconsequences.

(01:26:48):
So the current like Charter ofRights and Freedoms is limited
are those rights and freedoms tobasically say, Oh, yeah, you
have these rights and freedomsto all these things unless it's
deemed on.
I can't what it was reasonable,right?
So we have the right tofreedoms.
But then during covid, theysaid, well, we're going to
suspend this charter, right?

(01:27:09):
Because it's not reasonable toexist to have right now.
So you're not reasonably allowedto, to move around in public.
You're not reasonably allowed toleave your house.
You're not, it's not reasonable.
And you're like, well what'sreasonable?
Who decides what's reasonable?
A God given right, there's noreason involved, it's just
there.
But I have consequences, I haveresponsibility.
So, let me put it this way.
If I'm walking around with aplague, I have the freedom and

(01:27:33):
the right to walk aroundwherever I want.
But I should bear theresponsibility for, comes from
me having that right to freedom.
Do you see, do you know what I'msaying?

Alfred (01:27:43):
Yeah, it makes sense.
I have my mind blown and myconcept on rights completely
turned on its head.
I listened to a, a debatebetween Andrew Wilson, who is
very, you know, he's veryChristian, you know, Old
Testament.
He's been on a lot of podcasts,has some really, you know
clickbaity statements thatpeople like to clip and put out

(01:28:04):
there and stuff, but he had agreat debate with Tim Poole.
Tim Poole's a conservative, youknow, person I have somewhat, a
decent amount of respect for.
He's got some weird, weirdpositions, but Andrew Wilson
doesn't believe rights exist.
And I kind of agree with him.
Interesting.
I kind of, I echo that.
Here's why.
Because a right is simply anapplication of force.

(01:28:26):
That's it.
That's all a right is.
Because if you have the right toeat, and I have the right to
eat, and there's only one pieceof steak left, whoever's
stronger is eating that steak.
Whoever can defeat the otherperson to feed them and their
family is gonna get that steak.
It's an application of force.
That's all it is.
Whoever has the higherapplication of force, Can

(01:28:49):
enforce rights quote unquoterights.
That's it.
Whoever has the biggest militarywhoever has the better of the
bigger nuclear weapons whoeverhas the you know, the better jiu
jitsu skills whoever has Youknow, whatever.
It's an application of forcebecause you hit the nail on the
head A right in 2024 the bestdefinition I found was a right

(01:29:13):
is an entitlement absent dutyYou are entitled to something,
but you do not have a duty or anobligation to receive it.
That is the 2024 definition of aright.
The Second Amendment is a primeexample.
But here's where it gets tricky,with that specific example, is
you have the right to bear arms.

(01:29:34):
No questions asked.
But in the United States, ifyou're a man, in order to be a
citizen in the United States,you have to sign up for
Selective Service.
And if there is a draft, you arecalled upon in the Selective
Service.
Women do not do that.
Women are not part of theSelective Service.
In Canada, we don't haveanything like that, but let's
use the, let's use the exampleright to vote.

(01:29:55):
You have the democratic right inCanada to vote or not to vote.
There's no, there's noobligation, there's no duty for
you to show up and vote, but youhave that right as laid out by
the government.
I think, personally, that'scrazy.
I think that's your minimumobligation and, and

(01:30:15):
responsibility as a citizen.
That's right.
That's why like in order for youto like in, in order for you to
receive the Charter of Rightsand freedoms as an applicable
document to you and your life.
There's obligations you have toyou and your fellow citizens,

Robin (01:30:31):
right?
So every right and has to followan obligation every right has a
responsibility So that's where Ibelieve that rights exist But
not under the current context ofwhat the definition is because
it's not entitled you're notentitled to anything like you
are entitled Like by the verynature that you exist, you are

(01:30:51):
entitled to be treated withrespect up to a point.
But history shows us that thestrength, the strong rule over
the weak, and, and that'sactually not even, that's
actually biblical.
The rich rule over the poor, thestrong rule over the weak,
that's, that's actually justlike that's in scripture.

(01:31:14):
It talks about that even says,this is the reality of nature.
God made us as beings.
To rule over somebody doesn'tnecessarily mean to deny them.
basic rights and freedoms.
I mean, I recognize the factthat there are people that rule
over me.
I, we all answer to some,somebody like the, I can't just
go and do what I want.

(01:31:35):
I've told the kids, I said, youare actually, so I told my
children, this is a greatexample.
I said, you are free to dowhatever you want.
And they kind of look at me andI go, I said, you are absolutely
free.
You are a human being.
You can choose to do whateveryou want.
You could steal my car from thegarage.
You could drive 180 kilometersan hour down the highway.

(01:31:56):
You are free to do that.
And they look at me like, no I'mnot.
I'm like, yes you are, you'refree to do it.
However, are you willing to paythe price?
Are the consequences worth it toyou?
Because the consequences are youcould crash and kill somebody,
or you could just literally geta massive ticket and take your
license away, your privilege.
But you're still free to thensteal another car and do it.

(01:32:19):
But will you pay the price?
So I believe that rights alwaysaccompany responsibility.
So the problem with like thesecond amendment that people
interpret it now is that whatdoes that face is they forget
the first part of that a secondamendment, which it says.
Knowing that a well regulatedmilitia is essential for the

(01:32:39):
safety and security of theUnited States, or something, I'm
butchering it.
But knowing that a wellregulated militia is essential
for the safety and security ofthe United States, every man has
a right to bear arms, and thisshall not be infringed upon.
So, it actually started off withsaying, a militia, what's a
militia?
It's not a bunch of banditsgoing around doing what they
want.
It's like, to defend, Yourcommunity, knowing the

(01:33:01):
responsibility first, this rightis here.
So, a right withoutresponsibility is just
entitlement.
It's just, it's just nothingmore than a, more than a
fantasy.
I can do what I want, I have theright, I have the right to punch
whoever I want in the face and Idon't get caught.
That's a Hunter Biden approach.
I can do drugs, I can haveillegal weapons, I can do

(01:33:25):
influence peddling, I can steal,I can cheat, I can lie, but I
have no consequences.
He had all the rights.
And no responsibility, that's,that's not a, that's not an
actual right.
That's a title.
So, yeah, I understand what he'ssaying about rights and it's,
it's an enforcement of violence.
So, yeah, I, I, I get that, butit's like you know, it's my

(01:33:49):
right shouldn't infringe uponyour right.
Let me put it that way.
That's a, that's a civilized wayto live.
So, my But

Alfred (01:33:55):
eventually, that's gonna come to a crossroads, right?
Eventually, that's gonna come toa point.
Where, and we're speaking inextremes because really there's
only, you know, in in 2024, themost privileged, you know, time
likely in human history youknow, yeah.
Like of abundance of resources,of technology, of whatever we
have to speak in extremes, buteventually my right cannot

(01:34:17):
infringe on your right until weget to a crossroad, unless
there's something thatinfluences You know, shelter,
food, safety all these sorts ofthings.
You know, you even have somepoliticians saying you have the
right to health care, whichbasically means enslaving
doctors.
Like it's so fucked.
Like it's, it makes no sense,right?

(01:34:38):
The concept of rights, eveninalienable in inalienable
rights, which is God given youfeel they don't believe in God.
Like, if you believe you haveGod given inalienable rights,
but you don't believe in God,have you not, have you not
accepted the firstresponsibility of being a
recipient of those rights?

(01:34:59):
Like, that's the problem.
We're at this crossroads wherepeople have these entitlements,
and they're completely absent ofduty.
I have, like, I have the rightto eat.
No, you have the, you have theright to go get food, but you
have the, but you have theresponsibility to fucking do it.
That's right.
You have the right to grow food.
That's right.
But like, even, even now inmunicipalities, like, I can't

(01:35:22):
have a rainwater collectionsystem in my house.
There's a bylaw now in thefucking city that I live in that
you can't have a rainwatercollection system.
They're worried about basementsflooding.
It's like, holy fuck, guys.
Like, That's the issue is everynew election, so this was a cool
concept he had is he said everytime you vote You're infringing
on your own rights because youhave the right to vote, but what

(01:35:48):
does that person stand forright?
You're literally voting tosquash your own rights.
So that's your

Robin (01:35:58):
yeah so that's the balance between anarchy and And
like a certain measure of, ofgovernment.
Like, that's why I say I'm notan anarchist because a pure,
pure libertarian is a pureanarchist.
And I, and I, I get that anarchydoesn't exist.
It doesn't, doesn't work.
So you're right.
You, everything is like, I havethe right to do this, but I

(01:36:20):
surrender some rights willinglybecause I go and say, well, I
would like there to be a policeforce.
I would like there to be a firedepartment of some type.
I would like there to be roads.
and electrical systems and amilitary that defends our
borders.
And I'd like those things.
So everybody has the right to doit.

(01:36:42):
A pure, pure, pure, pure, pureapplication of rights and
freedoms would be anarchy,right?
No one you, you have the rightto do whatever you makes you
feel good.
That's what people havenowadays.
They think they have the rightto do whatever makes them feel
good, which is insane.
So you're right.
You are infringing upon your ownrights every time you.
nominate somebody to enforcelaws or to enact laws.

(01:37:07):
It's the dichotomy of human, ofhumanity.
And I love it.
I love it.
It's like, but it's like, but itdoesn't negate.
So then what you go and say,okay, well, I enact, I, I vote
and I'm nominating this personto be in charge of.
of like, basically their jobsshould be actually not to
provide services, but to provideguarantee of rights and freedoms

(01:37:31):
that should literally be theentire job of elected
politicians.
They can be like, how is whatwe're doing, ensuring the
freedom and the rights of thecitizens that we are governing
because they've given us thatresponsibility.
So our job is to be responsible.
So as a father, your job as afather and a husband is to go

(01:37:52):
and say, how can I ensure thewell, the wellbeing of my family
and protect their growth anddevelopment?
So, yeah, do you know what I'msaying?
Yeah.
Yeah.

Alfred (01:38:06):
I'm picking up what you're putting down.
It's just like, I'm in thisworld now.
That concept destroyed myprevious perception of rights.
Cause it's fucking true.

Robin (01:38:18):
It is, it is true, and I, I don't, I can't disagree with
that.

Alfred (01:38:22):
Like, cause you, you told your kids, like, you have
the right to drive down thestreet.
So I'm, I'm, I'm downtown withmy wife, we're just chillin and
this big, burly guy who's ablack belt in jiu jitsu, he has
the right to feel good.
I'm taking your wife.
No, you're not.
Stop me.
I mean, and that's You look backat it, like, you look back at

(01:38:43):
history, like the Genghis Khansof the world.
You look back at, you know, KingLouis.
You look back at the RomanEmpire.
You look, like, I'm not, likeMight makes

Robin (01:38:50):
right, as they say.

Alfred (01:38:52):
So, so he has the right tocompanionship.
He has the right to, you knowyou know, you know, have sex and
feel good.
He has the right to enslave,like, and I'm, I'm, I'm speaking
tongue in cheek here, but, like,it's an application of force.
It is.
Like,

Robin (01:39:06):
that's really all it is.
But that's not a right.
See, he didn't have the right toenslave other people.
Like Genghis Khan did not havethe right to enslave other
people, but he had the ability.
And so he enforced what hethought was his rights, but it
was just his abilities.
So one, it should make us wantto be stronger, but it should

(01:39:27):
also go and say, we A wellmannered, strong man knows that,
okay, so, I guess JordanPeterson might have described
this, but I've heard it fromsomeone else, that, so here's,
here's the dichotomy of a man,let's just use this word, both

(01:39:47):
men, so, a dichotomy of a man isthat, is that we are stronger
than women.
And I know that's acontroversial topic nowadays,
but we are physically, I know,right?
We are stronger physically thanwomen.
And so we have the ability tooverpower women.
My wife knows that at any pointI could overpower her.

(01:40:11):
I could.
I could physically overpowerher, but I don't.
Now why is that?
Because I know that these arms,my body, is meant, is actually
meant for much violence.
Men are built for violence.
I know people don't agree withthat, but you look through
history, you were hoping thatthe soldiers who stormed the

(01:40:34):
beaches of Normandy to eradicateNazism from the world were built
for violence.
If someone's invading your home,we're built for violence to
defend our home.
But these arms for my wife isnever to fight her.
She is my, she's who I'm toprotect and my children.
I never fight them.

(01:40:54):
I love them.
I have to be willing to enforcetheir freedoms and their rights
and have the responsibility byhaving children, by having a
wife.
I have the responsibility tocare and protect for them.
So that means I may have todefend them against other people
who is infringing upon theirright.

(01:41:16):
To have a peaceful existence, soto speak.
And so that's a challenge forme.
I'm not a fighter by nature.
I'm not a fighter, but I'll tellyou, you push, you put me back
to the wall.
You know, I'll get there.
Right.
But I don't go looking forfights.
I'm, I'm a, I'm probably, I wasknown growing up as like a
peacemaker.
I'm the peacemaker.

(01:41:36):
So, but my wife, she taught mehow to be a fighter.
So there's that.

Alfred (01:41:41):
Yeah, there's so, so the whole kind of crux of this is
Andrew Wilson had that debatewith Tim Poole and he was
debating feminism and, andthat's what, and that's kind of
where he was getting to the rootof it is he was saying right now
in culture, women, you know,feminist women that are, you
know, proud and all this stuff,they're telling men are shit,
men are garbage.
You know, you have this new,what is it?

(01:42:02):
A three free movement going onin the United States because
Trump was led to where there'sthis group of like this, like
there's thousands of them thatsay, like, I'm not going to have
sex with that, with my man.
I'm not going to do anythingbecause he voted for Donald
Trump.
And it's like.
Holy shit.
And so he had this, thisposition that he articulated it
at the end, where he said, atthe beginning, he was like, you
know, rights don't exist, youknow, they're just, you know, do

(01:42:23):
entitlement, absent duty, andthey're just an application of
force.
And he said, he's like the, the,the hypocritical component of it
is a lot of women's rights areenforced by men.
Because at the nature of it,rights are a degree of
application of force.
So he said, you can't evenenforce the rights you want.
Because he said if you got anarmy of women, 50 percent of the

(01:42:45):
United States to go up against50 percent of the men, you would
all perish.
And so that's kind of what hewas getting at.
He was saying like, you know,we're, we're no longer
acknowledging the differencebetween men and women,
structures of society,millionaires, billionaires, then
middle class, lower class,impoverished.
We're, we're, we're, we're beingtold it's all about equity.

(01:43:08):
It's all about equality.
It's all about equal rights.
It's all about your opinion, myopinion, unless it pisses me
off.
We're not acknowledging thatwe're all different.
95 percent of people are sorry.
All people, 95 percent of theirwants, needs, desires, and, and,
and, and, you know, desiredfuture are the same.

(01:43:29):
It's just this 5 percent that weall bitch and moan about, like,
like, like that's crazy.
I have yet to meet a person,liberal NDP, Republican,
Democrat, anything that says, Idon't want my kids to have a
good future.
I've never met one, not one.
Never met one that said like,yeah, I hope my kid dies or I
hope my kid fucking fails in theuniverse.

(01:43:50):
Like never met it.
I haven't met a single personthat doesn't want the ability or
doesn't want the opportunity tomake money.
Nobody.
Everybody wants thatopportunity.
How you get there is thatdiffering 5%.
Some people want to give it tothem.
Some people want to work hard.
Some people want a little bit ofboth.
Some people, like, like, sothere's all these little
differences, but your desiredoutcome is the same.

(01:44:11):
Everyone wants to be safe.
Everyone wants to sleep in a, ina nice bed.
Everyone wants to have friends.
Like, it doesn't matter yourpolitical allegiances or your
ideological, you know,differences.
That, that's irrelevant.
It's, but, in the 95%, it's that5 percent that causes us to just
go act like fucking crazies.
And yeah, test in the streetsover all this shit.

(01:44:31):
And, you know, we act like theexception is the rule where it's
like one bad cop, you know, hasan ego complex and kills, you
know, whether it's another whiteguy or a black guy or an Asian
guy or an Hispanic guy, and it'slike, all cops are bad, you
know, you know,

Robin (01:44:46):
you know, it's insane.

Alfred (01:44:47):
Well, we've lost a bad doctor or you have a bad doctor
that does a bad surgeon.
Like I'm never going to thehospital again.
It's like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.
Like that's the exception, youknow, just take a breath, you
know, look at the macro, don'tlook at the micro look at the
macro.
What's, you know, what's in mybest interest and, and we don't
do that anymore.
And so that, that comes with therights that comes with
everything.
Everything is so individualizedand it goes back to the

(01:45:10):
beginning of this, this podcastwhere it's like, you need to do
things as a collective.
You need, you need to, you needto get involved with men that
have 90, like all men will have95 percent of your desired
outcomes.
And you have to kind of workyour way through the 5%.
You kind of got to almostbefriend people that don't agree
with you on certain things,challenge your status quo.
Like, you know, we don't, Ican't just repeat a headline and

(01:45:34):
then get married to that notion,not do any research, not be
rooted in it.
And then the moment somebodychallenges me, I'm immediately
emotional because I feelpersonally attacked.
Well, no, if you want to have adegree of stoicism and a degree
of, of, you know, even keeledmannerisms and, and in
temperament, you, you got toknow what the fuck you're

(01:45:56):
talking about.
And that doesn't just come fromreading a headline or watching
global news at 5.
AM you got to be fucking rootedin it.

Robin (01:46:05):
Yeah.
There's a reason

Alfred (01:46:06):
why, when I go to, when I went to BJJ and did my first
free trial and I was meetingthese guys.
The moment you stepped, you,you, you set eyes on those guys,
you knew that they couldabsolutely destroy you.
And they were the softest peopleon the planet because when you
have an ability.
Yeah.
Or you have a depth ofknowledge.

(01:46:27):
No short minded, emotionalperson that comes to you is
going to waver you.
You're rooted in your, you're,you're a master of your craft.

Robin (01:46:37):
It's usually the, it's always the most insecure and
perhaps even unable people thatare always in trying to enforce
their will upon people becausethey truly don't know who they
are.
Whereas you said, you look atsomebody who is like a black
belt and BJJ, they want, so youwalk in, they're not threatened
by you.
And they don't feel like theyhave to prove themselves to you

(01:46:57):
because they're, they're cool.
I'm like, I'm good.
I'm good.
I know who I am.
I know how to do this.
The, yeah, it came back to whatyou said before to where I said,
like, you know, people want tohave their opinion without the
accountability of defending it.
And so everybody gets this, Ihave the right to my opinion.
My daughter had this, had thisin high school.

(01:47:20):
You know, when kids are in highschool, I'm, I was a little
asshole in high school.
And, and you're in high school,you think you know everything
and stuff like that.
She's like, she's like, I havethe right to my opinion.
I'm like, actually you don't.
I said, because you don't knowwhat you're talking about.
And so if you know what you'retalking about, you have the
right to have an opinion, butyou have to be able to
articulate it, defend youropinion.

(01:47:40):
And you have the right to have aconversation with me for sure,
because we've created that.
You just having a thought andsaying, this is my opinion, I
have the right to it.
You're like, what does thatmean?
Just what, what, tell me whatthat means.
You have, you're right.
You actually have the right tothink whatever you want.
That's because you are anindividual person.
So you can think whatever youwant, but you don't have the

(01:48:01):
right to enforce that opinionupon me or to somebody else.
And in return, they don't havethe right to enforce those
opinions on us.
So, I mean, I've seen in thepublic school system where you
know, a lot of these teachersstart to enforce their opinions.
upon students.
And I've had some interestingconversations with my kids about

(01:48:21):
what they talked about in class.
And I'm just like, wow, that's,that's really interesting.
That's a political opinion thatreally doesn't have much place
to do in class.
They're trying to tell them thatthey need to tell their parents
to vote NDP because that's theonly way they're going to get
funding for the schools.
And I'm like, Hmm, this isinteresting.
That's public school system.
And I guess I'm almost done withit now.

(01:48:43):
It's it's It's frustratingbecause you kind of go, these
people to have no concept ofreal life, they've only ever
worked for the government.
I'm sorry.
That's, that's that's, that'snot, you know, go out there,
start a business, succeed, fail.
I mean, I failed spectacularlyat a lot of things and I've been
stronger because of it.
It's made me better.
It's made me smarter.

(01:49:04):
You know, one of the things thatI doing lately is to challenge
myself is to to challenge myselfto, to always learn something
that's hard.
So, I mean, you see me at work alot of times.
I'm like, learn the stockmarket, right?
Options, trading futuresmarkets, all sorts of stuff,
right?
And I'll tell you there'snothing quite that humbles you

(01:49:26):
quite like the market becauseI'm this little minnow not even
a minnow I'm like planktonswimming in the market and these
whales are just coming around.
It's like So you you start toget you start to think you know
what you're talking about?
And then you know you get eatenup by a whale It's it's the most
humbling It's one of the mosthumbling things I've ever had to
do because it's the mostdifficult to do And, but I

(01:49:48):
challenged myself to keepgetting better at it and better
at it and better at it because Isee that there is immense
potential in the future forthat, but it's like, if I don't,
if I just give up after one ortwo times, because I mean, you
know, you, you, you make atrade, it does goes against you.
A lot of people like, oh, thisisn't for me.
I can't figure this out.
And they walk away and then whatdo they do?
Nothing.

(01:50:09):
I'd rather, I'd rather failforward, fail and learn, fail,
learn, fail, learn.
I can't remember who was sayingthat these people who.
Maybe it was Elon Musk orsomething like that.
He talked about, someone wastalking recently about, he said
that if you have a business ideaand you take like the
traditional like MBA route whereyou go, let's make a business
plan.

(01:50:30):
Let's do market research.
Let's do this.
Let's do some fundraising.
And then just like years later,meanwhile, that the other
entrepreneur, the same idea wentand just went and started to do
it.
Failed three times.
And then the fourth attempt,he's got it and he's taken off
and you're still building yourbusiness plan.
It's like, it's better to failand go forward.

(01:50:50):
So just like all the stuff wetalked about today, it's like,
so what if you fail?
So what if no one listens to youat the council meeting?
So what if you know who youvoted for?
It doesn't get elected.
So what if you're wrong?
So what if you get in the BJJring and, and you, someone pins
you and you look like a foolbecause this kid who's like

(01:51:12):
maybe 17 years old and you'relike a grown ass man, and he
just like makes you look like anidiot.
You're like, so what, what doyou have to lose?
You only have the only time youever lose the only time you ever
actually fails when you quit sopeople talk about oh I failed at
that.
No you quit.
That's when you failed, but Ihave failed at a lot of things

(01:51:33):
in my life But I just don'tquit.
I just keep going.
I'm gonna be like that littlecockroach that just keeps coming
back It's like no.
No, that's right.
I'm ain't dead yet.
So be the biggest cockroach.

Alfred (01:51:46):
Love it.
Anyways Before we close out, isthere anything else you want to
talk about?
I'm really curious.
I love picking your brain.
This has been super thoughtprovoking.
It's been therapeutic.
I, I love these conversations.
I appreciate you having thecojones to come on.
What else on your mind?
Let's get it.
Open mic.

Robin (01:52:04):
Can't really think of anything else that I want to
talk about at this point.
I feel like I've exhausted my mydepth of lack of knowledge, so.
Yeah, no, I appreciate you haveme on here.
It's good to talk.
It's very rare.
We can talk about stuff likethis with people without it
being emotions and, andpolitics.
And then when I say politics, Imean like bad politics where

(01:52:26):
it's like, Oh, you can't talkpolitics.
It's like, no, it's okay.
Talk about it.
We can disagree.
Like our definition of rightsand freedoms.
I don't think we fully agreed onthat.
And I'm cool with that, man.
That's actually very, verythought provoking.
I appreciated what you saidabout it.
I'm like, yep, let's give mesomething to chew on for a
little bit.
I always like coming away going.
Do I really know what I know?

(01:52:46):
Let me, let me dig into this alittle bit more.
So I appreciate it.
I think if anybody's listeningyou don't have to be a superstar
to make a change in the world.
You don't have to have a millionfollowers on Instagram.
You just have to give a shit.
And you actually just have tostart one with yourself.
Get your house in order and thento work in your community

(01:53:08):
grassroots, like Alfred said,and just be that change in your
local and understand thatthere's seasons of life.
Sometimes life is busy.
Got young kids.
You maybe kids have like, youknow, health challenges and that
consumes a lot of your time.
That's okay.
But when you do have the time,don't become self absorbed and
spend it all yourself.

(01:53:30):
Give back to the world.
There's a lot of good you can doby just getting involved and
just being there.
And go moving forward.
So that's all.

Alfred (01:53:43):
Yeah.

Robin (01:53:44):
Yeah.
I agree.
I

Alfred (01:53:44):
agree with everything you said with that.
Yeah, I love healthy we call ithealthy conflict in our house
where my wife and I don't agreeon a lot of stuff and I have
friendship circles.
I don't agree on a lot of stuffand I've kind of found a better
way to articulate it.
I know I said on my, on one ofmy podcasts where during COVID,
I became a super polarizedperson and that kind of went
back to being in this podcast.
I've self sabotaged a lot in mylife.

(01:54:05):
I've destroyed.
My support networks, I'vecreated lifelong tarnishes on,
on situations by my own volitionbecause I was hyper focused.
I allowed people, I allowed thepeople closest to me to convince

(01:54:25):
me to suppress my instincts.
To, to, to convince me to say,you need to do this now.
Because it's the right thing todo with me knowing that this is
going to be bad in the long run.
You know, you almost kind of toethe line.
You almost kind of play thegame.
And that'll never happen again.
And if any man is listeningwhere you can think of times

(01:54:47):
where you betrayed a friend, youcanceled on them, you
prioritized a woman, or you quita job at a spite and you destroy
your network or your referralsor anything like that.
It happens.
My best advice to people.
But especially men listening iscultivate your circle, man.
Mm hmm.

(01:55:07):
Cultivate your circle, whateverthat is.
If you're in a position with nofriends, no community, no
nothing, and even if you'realone, if you're no married, no
kids, anything, and you're justlike, what the fuck do I do?
The first thing to do is move.
Go join a gym, go to the RotaryClub, go to church, go to
places.
Where you have experienced andmet, or you've, you know, looked

(01:55:29):
from a distance of people likethat, that's, there's a piece of
that that I want, and youemulate that person.
It has to be something you wantto do, you can't do it out of
fluff.
If you do it out of order, ifyou do it to gain networking,
but it's not something thatyou're really agreeing with,
that's not gonna work.
That's gonna fail all the time.

(01:55:50):
Great

Robin (01:55:50):
quote I heard, great

Alfred (01:55:51):
quote

Robin (01:55:52):
I heard, sorry to interrupt, but find someone who
has.
Yeah.
Find someone who has what youwant and do what they do.
It is a lot of people go, well,that must be nice.
Oh, must be nice.
Look at that guy with thathouse.
And you go, Oh, it must be nice.
You're probably born rich.
And then you find out he juststarted a business, worked hard
and, and then grew it, and nowhe has a nice house.

(01:56:13):
So if you want that, find whatthey have, do what they do.
It's, it's humbling.
Yeah.
That just like, so you said, hesaid, find that network, find
people, go after him and belike, what did you do?
How did you do it?
And that takes humility.
You don't have to be the best.
You actually, it's better to bethe dumbest guy in the room.

(01:56:34):
If you think you're the smartestguy in the room, you have
nothing to learn.
You won't learn anything.
Be the dumbest guy around.
Find the smartest people.
That's why I hang with Alfred.
Makes me feel smart.
Makes me feel dumb, which isgreat.
So I get smarter.

Alfred (01:56:50):
Fucking sounds right to me.
I love it.
It's so good.
Yeah.
Well, dude, appreciate youcoming on, man.
This has been great.
I absolutely love it.
I want to have more discussionslike this.
You know, just kind of acontinuation of how we, how we
chat in our time together, butyeah, thanks for coming on, man.
It's been fun.
I hope people got value.
Thought provoking grill me incomments, fucking comment, fact

(01:57:12):
check me.
I'm sure I got some shit wrong,but that was fun.
I'm sure we did, but it's allgood.
Well, thanks for listening.
Catch you guys in the next one.
Peace!
Well, that's it for this episode.
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