[EP17] "Courageous Immigration Story & A Message to Canadians"

Welcome to Season 2, Episode 17 of the Unmodern Podcast.
In this episode, I sit down with Daru Pretorius. A South African immigrant and business & logistics specialist who immigrated to Canada with his family during the Scamdemic, so you can imagine how that experience was for Daru.
With the political climate swirling around Canada these days and the divisiveness we are witnessing amongst ourselves and with our neighbors to the south, Daru sheds an amazing light on perspectives that Canadians should adopt in order to not become consumed with emotions and ignorance around things you really cannot control. Comparing the real world experience between Cape Town, South Africa to Rural Alberta, Canada. You will get a small taste of how our freedoms and privilege's in Canada are something we CANNOT take for granted and must appreciate and cherish on a daily basis.
We also dive into Daru's expertise and business. Helping business owners and professionals identify inefficiencies within themselves and their business.
If you own a business, and could have someone show you how to refocus and grow your business while ONLY being paid a percentage of the savings or growth, does that sound like a good deal to you?
Golden Thread Consulting can help you achieve growth and efficiency in how you do business!
As mentioned in this podcast and quoted from the PDB Podcast. "Words talk and numbers scream".
I hope you enjoy this episode!

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Daru Pretorius
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Episode Transcript

Alfred (00:03):
Hey, everyone, and welcome to the unmodern podcast,
the podcast where we haveunscripted, unapologetic and
uncomfortable conversations thataffects everyday people.
If you've ever had an outlook,thought or an opinion that
modern day society told you tobe silent on.
That you would get in troublefor, or if you've ever heard the
words, probably shouldn't saythat, then this is the podcast

(00:24):
for you.
My name is Alfred, a husband,father, and an adventure seeking
kind of guy, who over the yearshas learned to have a positive
outlook on life, regardless ofwhat society throws at me.
So if you're ready to listen,let's go.

(01:02):
All right, guys.
Welcome to another episode ofthe podcast.
I'm here with Daru.
Mutual friend of ours, RayCowell ended up being his
business mentor.
Very similar to how Ray Cowellwas my mentor.
Daru's got an incredible storyimmigrating to Canada during
probably one of the mostcreative times here in Canadian
history during the pandemic.
He's also a consultant.
He has a background in supplychain.

(01:24):
Daru, how are you doing thismorning, brother?
Giving yourself effort Alfred.
Thanks for having you, man.
Yeah, no, I'm doing great.
I'm really excited to dive intothis real quick.
Ray Cowell absolute beautygentleman who is a business
mentor.
You guys meant through metthrough community futures.
That is something that I hadexperience with a little over 10
years ago, starting up a smallbusiness.

(01:44):
Anybody who is interested inthat we'll link community future
stuff down below.
They are a great community.
Support network entering intothe small business and
entrepreneurial space.
Yeah, talking a little bit aboutyour history with Ray and how
you got involved with him.

Daru (01:57):
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
Right.
So, I mean, he's such a legend.
So I was fortunate enough to bepaired up with Ray to be my
business mentor while goingthrough the community future
smart start program.
And he's just such a wealth ofknowledge in the way that he
views the world.
You know, you can, you'relooking into his eyes and you
can see the wheels turning inhis head as he's coming up with

(02:19):
new and fresh ideas and, youknow, looking at things outside
of the box.
You know, such a, such a greatmind for, for business.
And I guess life just as well.
And as you, as you've mentionedin a conversation we had earlier
Like he's got such energy thathe brings you know, it's almost
the man hits the ground runningas he wakes up in the morning.

(02:40):
So no, no, no, that's a, he's agood friend.
And yeah, real honored to knowhim.

Alfred (02:45):
Perfect.
Yeah, no, my son, my story isvery similar.
I could feel the energy rightfrom the get go.
And that really helps with, youknow, trusting people and really
taking their advice and, youknow, allowing their energy to
really kind of drop your guardand allow yourself to be a
sponge.
I'm super appreciative.
So, yeah, I just want to givehim one more shout out because,
yeah, he's an absolute legend.

(03:06):
We're going to dive right intoyour story, man.
Immigrating from South Africa.
Let's talk to me a little bitabout Kind of your work
experience and your expertise inSouth Africa.
And then we're going to getright into crossing the ocean
and coming to the great North ofCanada.

Daru (03:20):
Yeah.
So I guess the story sort ofkicked off back in 2014.
So my wife is a physician andshe is quite some.
She's got close friends with youknow, all of the physicians that
she went to medical school with.
One of them in particular foundhimself in medicine at after
having gone through the entireimmigration process back then

(03:44):
already.
And that sort of planted theseed for us to sort of say, we,
we looked at one another at somepoint and sort of said, well, do
you want to Do you want to go toCanada?
And, you know, I said, well,yeah, I think that would be real
cool.
So I don't even think we weremarried at the time.
Yeah, we weren't married at thetime, but we officially started
the process and started with thepaperwork.

(04:05):
As I mentioned, my I work for a,work for a supply chain company.
At that time, I was sort ofinterested in trying to climb
the corporate ladder and buildmyself to, to as, as well as
high in the company as Ipossibly could.
And, originally, when we startedthe immigration process for my
wife, she needed to complete oneexam in order to match her

(04:27):
qualifications with what theCanadian colleges would deem
acceptable to practice medicinewithin Canada.
We went through that process,but as we, as we went through
that process, it sort of changedwhile they brought in an
additional exam.
So the process took a little bitlonger.
I then actually at the same timegot the promotion which forced

(04:48):
us to move across the country inSouth Africa where we're from to
relocate to Cape Town, a greatlittle community called Somerset
West.
And I then.
Started working as a branchmanager for the company down in
Cape Town, and my wife was stillpracticing medicine in Cape Town
as well, while she was studyingto write the Canadian exams that

(05:09):
she needed to qualify for.
In 2019 She needed to write hersecond exam, I believe and that
one at the time you could onlywrite in Canada.
So, we planned the trip.
We came to Canada for two weekstraveled to Edmonton and she
wrote the exam that she, sheneeded to write we spent a bit

(05:31):
of time getting to, you know,meeting people, meeting up with
fellow South Africans that weknow in Canada.
And went back home to SouthAfrica.
Now, at the time, they said youneeded to wait about six months
for the results to come in.
But so if you pass, then you'reallowed to, to start the process
to come into Canada through IHS.

(05:51):
Alberta health services.
But if you fail, then you needto wait another year before you
can write the exam again.
Unfortunately for us, it's shedidn't make that exam and which
forced us to wait another yearbefore she could rewrite the
exam.
And that brought us to almostthe end of 2020.
And then by that time, while wewere working in South Africa,

(06:13):
one of the other.
One of the doctors that wasworking with my wife at the same
hospital planted the idea tosort of say, do you know what
would be a good opportunity forus?
Her advice was is if she takes ajob on one of the cruise ships,
Because on the cruise ship, sheworked two days on, one day off,

(06:34):
two days on, one day off.
So that would allow her to work,earn an income in U.
S.
dollars, and then you'd stillhave the third day to study for
the exams that you need to writein Canada.
for an entire year.
So that sort of gave birth tothis idea that I will resign
from my job.

(06:55):
She will go on to the cruiseships.
I will live with her on thecruise ship for a year.
While she works in, in studies.
And I believe the deal was itwould be a dollar a day.
So one, one US dollar a day forme.
And then I get to just.
Live with her on the cruiseship.
So for me, it started soundinglike paradise.

(07:15):
So, you know, we sign and drinksand swimming pools.
And, you know, you get to hopoff and all of the places that
the ship cruise line parksduring its course.
And then.
We took that advice.
She found one of the major thelarger I would say cruise ship
companies.
She got in contact with them.

(07:37):
She got a contract with them andeverything was starting to fall
in place.
And this was towards the end of2020, start of 2021.
We then At that time the Collegeof Surgeons and Physicians and
Alberta Health Services requiredus to have permanent residency
prior to getting to Canada.
So we, we completed that processwhile my wife was studying for

(08:00):
exams.
So by the time she went to, towork on the cruise ships, we
were both already Canadianpermanent residents.
So the, the idea was basicallyjust as soon as she feels
comfortable with writing theexam and the next time slot
comes up, then she would go andwork on we would write the exam
and we would hop off from thecruise ships to Canada and, and

(08:20):
start our lives.
The only kicker in the processwas, is that, is that when you
go onto the cruise ships as aphysician, there's a certain
hierarchy that they follow.
So you've got your, your mainphysician that sort of is the
team leader and there's usuallytwo physicians.
Like secondary physicians thatthat sort of work under the main

(08:41):
physician, but all three ofthose physicians need to be
trained in terminus of theevacuation procedures for the
ship you know, certain protocolsand all those sort of things.
Because if there's, if there's apassenger on the ship that gets
ill you know, the, the medicalofficers do have a certain level
of responsibility, but alsoauthority, and that gets closely

(09:03):
coordinated with the shipcaptains when it comes to making
decisions as to whether you'returning the ship around.
To go back to port and cancelingthe rest of the cruise because
it's patient safety first.
So on the, the physicians alsoautomatically get like an
officer's rating on, on thecruise ships as well.
So you're also expected to havecertain dinners that you're

(09:25):
expected to be at when while thepassengers are cruising and
stuff like that.
So that's, that's, 60 days worthof training.
And while while she's goingthrough that training I'm not
allowed to be on the cruise shipwith her because they find it
might be distracting orsomething.
I can't really remember what thereason for that actually was,
but I'm not allowed to to bethere.

(09:47):
Nonetheless, in January of 2021,I drop her off at the airport
and I kiss her goodbye and she'soff to Florida to start that
journey.
I handed my letter ofresignation stating that I will,
I will remain with the companyuntil the end of March.
And I book a plane ticket forMiami, Florida to fly out on

(10:12):
April 4th.
Which would have been I almostthink it would have been a
Tuesday morning Like I finishedup the Friday and I would have
flown out on on on the TuesdayAnd in that time period between
January and March obviously fromtime to time, I'm chatting with
my wife over the phone or videocalling as as it gets as well as

(10:36):
it allows and every time wespeak, she's telling me you
know, that there's they're notreal busy.
You know, everything is fine.
They see the odd, you know,somebody slips and falls, you
know, and has a wrist sprain orsomething like that.
And towards the end of February,that conversations, they started
changing.
Like every time I spoke to her,she said, like, they are crazy

(10:59):
busy.
They are running up and down.
People are real sick.
They are struggling to breathe.
They are you know, they don'thave enough beds.
They don't have enoughmedication and all of that.
And looking back at that nowit's clear now in hindsight that
that was sort of the start ofthe pandemic sort of running
wild throughout the cruiseships.

(11:21):
And they were just completelyoverwhelmed.
So by the time about midwaythrough March South Africa,
where I was still in.
Went into full full lockdown.
I think this was just shortlyafter the United States
announced the lockdown so for usthe company that I work for part
of the services that we provideincludes medication and some

(11:44):
other pharmaceutical Productsthat run through this logistic
systems and supply chainsbecause we sort of went into
probation.
You couldn't buy.
You couldn't buy alcohol.
You weren't allowed to buy likecigarettes, all of that sort of
stuff.
You had a designated time windowwithin your community that you
could go and do shopping.

(12:05):
And like you had to almost haveproof of address to sort of say,
okay, yes, I'm allowed to beoutside in this time of
timeline.
So we went into full lockdown.
I was still allowed to drive upand down because of the nature
of the work that I dotransporting medicine was seen
as a critical service.
But, it's we, it was originallyonly supposed to be for two

(12:26):
weeks and that sort of two weekscame in and went on and then
they sort of gets another twoweeks and another two weeks.
And yeah, stuff like things werejust going worse and worse and
worse on the cruise ship.
And yeah, it's it got to thepoint where I had resigned and I
was the house that we lived in,I had I, I already set up a

(12:46):
contract with a tenant to comeand, and, and live in the house.
So I had to move outside of myown house, not being able to fly
to the States.
And my wife's on a cruise shipon the other side of the world.
So I ended up moving into my, mylittle brother's house.
Where I basically lived for thenext couple of months.
While she was stuck on, on thecruise ship without being

(13:08):
allowed to, to dock or tooffload patients or passengers
for that matter.
So yeah, it was a real, real itwas a, it was a what's the word
that I'm looking for?
It was a gong show.
It was a complete gong show.
I don't know.
I'm

Alfred (13:24):
talking your ear off here, Alfred.
Oh, this is an absolutefascinating story.
I think first off, I just wantto give you guys an absolute
kudos.
It takes a lot of gumption towant to immigrate and go to
those lengths that, you know,you hear about the, the, the
immigration and I know that's asensitive topic with the
political climate we have herein North America, but when you

(13:46):
hear something like that, thedesire to come to a country
where you believe you will havea better future and a better
life and to have the, yeah.
The, the fortitude and thecourage to live on a cruise ship
for a year and do all thesestruggles.
I mean, I'm sure you talk aboutit now and your wife and
yourself probably smile andyou're just like, man, we, we
did it.
We went there.

(14:07):
Holy moly.
But I'm sure I'm sure I'm surein the middle of it.
Tempers might have flared.
Frustrations might have gottenthe better of you.
I know my wife and I were theretoo on a podcast.
My wife and I did.
We talked about, you know, inthe middle of it, you know, when
I stood firm and refusing to getvaccinated, I was like, I'm not
doing it.
And that wasn't a politicaldecision.
I've been asked a few timessince that podcast.

(14:27):
I've never had a flu shot in mylife.
Like, this has been my approachto my personal health care my
whole life, regardless of aglobal pandemic.
So I just stayed the course.
I didn't allow myself to be kindof waver.
But that That in and of itselfwas a struggle.
We had struggles in our homethat people didn't see that we,
you know, we're okay talkingabout.
I'd like to talk into a littlebit the motive.

(14:50):
Why, why the, the, the, thedecision to leave South Africa?
People may not know you know,we're very privileged here in
North America and even Canada.
People may not understand whysomebody would go to those
lengths, you know, live on acruise ship for a year, not, you
know during a pandemic, youknow, set up a renter.
Quit your job, support yourwife.

(15:10):
Like, like I, some people mightask, like, is it that bad?
Or, you know, they just may notknow if you don't mind shedding
some light on that.
So people here in Canada and,or, and, and the U S and North
America can realize why.
The Western Hemisphere is aplace sought after by people
around the world as a place ofopportunity and a place of
freedom You know talk to me alittle bit about the mindset and

(15:33):
the motives behind that.

Daru (15:35):
Yeah, absolutely When I get asked this question, I
always tell people we are realfortunate I would say the
majority of people that I knowthat immigrate out of South
Africa are carrying some sort oftrauma along with them.
So something happened, whetherit was a home invasion or, you
know, a hijacking or somethinglike that.

(15:55):
But there's usually some sort oftraumatic event that sort of
became the foundation of thedecision to to move out of the
country.
For us, it's still completeopposite.
South Africa definitely has gotits own political struggles.
They have, I mean, I don't thinkit's, it's it's unknown that,
you know, there's corruptionwithin the government.

(16:16):
There's currently strugglingwith keeping the power system up
and running.
So South Africa is currentlygoing through what is called
load shedding.
I don't know if you've, ifyou've heard of this for the
audience that doesn't know.
So load shedding is effectivelya schedule where on your.
Power grid gets switched on fora couple of hours and then gets

(16:38):
switched off so that yourneighboring power grid can have
so, can have electricity.
So effectively, there's not a,the infrastructure is failing to
such a point that they can'tkeep the lights on for the
entire country all at the sametime.
So everybody's getting a, ashare of it as the day goes on.
And depending on how bad itgets, you might, you might end

(16:59):
up with.
Power for I don't know eighthours a day.
It could be two hours a daywhich is catastrophic for when
you're trying to plan food andyou know, if you don't have a a
gas stove or oven or somethinglike that, you now need to And
your power could be from 2:00 AMto 4:00 AM which means you need
to get up at 2:00 AM so that youcan cook until 4:00 AM so that

(17:22):
you've got food for the rest ofthe day.
Wow.
And that is, I mean, that is inI regard regardless of where in
where you find yourself in theincome, income stream for for
the, your, your just.
Man, what's the word that I'mlooking for?
Regardless of how much money youearn, you know, you could live

(17:44):
in a mansion, you still won'thave power.
So there's there's nothing youcan't escape it.
But for us, yeah, the decisionto come to Canada was purely
based out of opportunity.
One, I was I like the idea ofearning a different currency,
seeing as the South Africancurrency is I guess is one of
the weaker ones in the world.

(18:05):
A big decision driver for myselfwas the fact that if my children
would one day be able to have anadditional citizenship status.
I think that would greatly be totheir advantage.
And that led me to do someresearch and at the time when
making the decision.
Canada was in the top 10countries in the world as to

(18:27):
when it came to the strength ofyour passport.
I think in that year, Singaporewas the top country.
You could, you could visit 192countries with a Singaporean, I
think that's the correct way ofsaying it passport, and Canada
was like 182.
So I think there's like 207countries in the world.

(18:48):
Don't quote me on that.
I think I'm, but I think it'sclose to that number.
And you can visit 182 of themwith a Canadian passport.
If you compare it to a SouthAfrican passport, I think ours
is like 26 countries of whichmost of them is contained within
Southern Africa.
So, for example, on, on I'm partof the board of directors for

(19:10):
our Chamber of Commerce here inthe community that I live in the
Chamber is currently putting ona trip to South Africa as as a
networking event that you can gothrough.
Day one of that trip is you getto You fly from Canada to
Zurich, and then you've got likea 10 or 14 hour layover.

(19:31):
So if I was to take that tripand go with everybody else from
Canada, and we land in Zurich,because I've got a South African
passport, I'm not allowed toleave the airport.
So everybody else on that tripwould be able to do a day trip.
But I won't be allowed to, toleave the airport because I
would first need to apply for aSchengen visa to, to enter the

(19:52):
the EU the European Union.
So, so yes, giving, trying togive my kids the opportunity of,
you know, doing away with thatand being born as a Canadian
citizen was a big decisiondriver for me which I'm now very
happily to say that we achieved.
So I've got 2 children, adaughter and a son 3 and 8

(20:15):
months, and both of them wereborn here in Canada.
So We are busy with the process.
My daughter has got dealcitizenship with South Africa
and Canada.
I've logged the application formy boy.
But yeah, at the moment he'salready got his Canadian
passport.
So the, the opportunities thatlife in Canada will present my

(20:35):
kids is, is way different thanthe ones that I grew up with.
And just the day-to-day factorsas an like, like I read the
news.
In my community and, you know,something would happen like
there would be I don't know,some sort of the event that
would happen like crime relatedor, or homelessness or something
like that.
And it would be main, main news.

(20:57):
And every time I see somethinglike that, I'm thinking to
myself.
That wouldn't even have, inSouth Africa, they wouldn't even
have bothered to open up the jarof ink to write something about
that.
Like kids here, they run around,they leave their bikes on the
front lawn, you know, you wakeup the next morning, it's still
there, there's no massive fenceswith electricity wires running

(21:17):
across the fence around housesover here.
Like there's, there's no,there's none of that.
You know, there's opencommunity, everybody knows one
another, everybody's helpful andall of that.
And having that sense ofcommunity is another thing that
I didn't think of when makingthe decision to move to Canada.
But I'm so appreciative of thatof that environment for my kids.

(21:43):
Where they're going to grow upin.
I'm actually, I'm actually, mydaughter will, at the end of
this year, we're going to govisit family in in South Africa.
My parents haven't seen my boyin real life.
I've only seen him over, over aphone.
And he'll be one and a half bythe time they physically touch
him for the first time.
So those are some of the hardsacrifices you make when, when,

(22:04):
you know, moving to the otherside of the world.
But you know, you, you look atyour kids and you sort of say,
okay, they might not really knowtheir grandparents, but what
they're, what they're getting isworth so much more.
And the challenge is the parentis to raise them in such a way
that they're appreciative ofthat because for them, it's just

(22:26):
going to be the norm for me, youknow, it's I'm real appreciative
of, of, of the environment thatwe find ourselves in.
So yeah, those were so thefuture of my kids.
And I'll also be honest.
The financial compensation forphysicians within Canada is far
better than what it is in inSouth Africa.

(22:46):
So that was also a big, bigdecision driver.
Yeah, and both my wife and I aremassive sports fans.
So, you know, being situated inNorth America where you can go
and watch.
Golf and, you know Formula Oneand tennis and all that sort of
stuff that, that also there was,there was icing on the cake for
us when making the decision aswell.

(23:07):
Yeah.
Wow.

Alfred (23:08):
I appreciate you sharing all that.
I imagine some people listeningto this, the idea of only having
power for two hours a day andwaking up in the middle of the
night, having to cook your foodfor a day yeah, we need to
understand that we have freedomsand privileges that have been
earned over time, you know,through war, through sacrifice.
Vice through you know,constitutional and Bill of
Rights and, you know, ingrainedin our democracy.

(23:28):
So people need to understandthat, you know, don't take that
for granted cause it can betaken away pretty quickly.
And before we dive into yourexpertise, cause I'm really
interested in seeing how thatimmigration process would be
focused on your wife a littlebit, you know, doctor healthcare
is kind of universal, right?
That's a very internationalindustry.
People getting sick and needinghelp.
It doesn't really matter yournationality, your language, your

(23:50):
background.
That's just kind of kind of avery understandable thing.
That's, you know, crossculturally, but with supply
chain, I'm really curious, butbefore we do that, I want to get
your take on the currentpolitical climate in Canada, and
I'm sure it might be laughableto you when you look at where
you came from and you havepeople complaining about
American booze on the shelf andyou're sitting there talking,
but we had electrified fencesand, you know, we had.

(24:13):
Government control telling uswhen and where we could shop and
I'm really curious when you seepeople You know kind of for lack
of a better term bitching andmoaning about stuff that really
big deal shed a little bit oflight on that that people might
be Frustrated and making youknow online anger posts on
social media and trump this andtrudeau that A little bit about

(24:34):
what you likely look at asfrivolous and meaningless and
really not a big problem, butpeople are making it a problem.
Talk to me a little bit aboutyour perspective.
I'm so interested in this.
I can't wait to hear this.

Daru (24:46):
Yeah.
What a great question.
So yeah, there's There's,there's things that I go by on
a, on a daily basis that I'mlike, like you, like my wife and
I were told one another, likethe Canadians have got it so
good that you need to inventyour own problems just so that
you've got something to keepyourself busy with, like, you
know, when you're, when you'renot sure whether there's going

(25:06):
to be water coming out of thepipes when you get home, then,
you know, you don't have time toworry and bitch about the
smaller things.
Yeah, as for the politicalclimate yeah.
I find myself, personally, if Ihad to, I'm not allowed to vote
yet, because I'm not a citizen.
But if I could, I would be moreof a conservative.

(25:29):
I am, I'm a big fan ofcapitalism, you know, and
earning what you've built.
But yeah, in terms of like theCanada as you've mentioned,
like, throughout the sacrificesyou've made, you've got a lot of
freedoms, you know, that, thatthat was earned a real hard way

(25:50):
and it's, I think you do a lotof as a Canadian you know, as a,
as a people you do a lot to, tosort of remind yourselves of
that but yeah, for, and if I Doa comparison between the
political climate from SouthAfrica and what we've got within
Canada, there are there are alot of things that I think it's,
it's blown out of proportion.

(26:11):
If I start thinking about yeah,I wouldn't, I'm trying to,
trying to see I don't want totouch on too sensitive topics,
but yeah, there are, there arecertain things that I definitely
agree with and certain thingsthat I definitely do disagree
with.
Is there anything, Alfred, isthere anything specific in,
within the political sphere thatyou want me to comment on?

Alfred (26:34):
Well, I'm just curious, like when you hear about our
prime minister resigning, butthen quasi not resigning.
Or you hear the or you hearsomething where, you know, he, I
don't know if you know thestory, but he created a holiday
called Truth and ReconciliationDay, where we basically pay
homage to our Indigenous andFirst Nations and kind of the
struggles that they went throughand, you know, acknowledging you

(26:56):
know, residential schools andthe horrific story around those
and, you know, what, you know,what people would probably term
as colonialism, and basically.
You know, taking indigenousnations and pushing them off to
the side and kind of, you know,for lack of a better word,
putting our thumb on them alittle bit basically just
basically just assertion offorce is really what it was.
But then on the very first onethat he created, he took an 80

(27:18):
80, 000 dollars surfing vacationinto Fino, B.
C.
So so like from a from a.
From a morale standpoint, I'm ahuge believer in attitude,
reflects leadership, and foralmost a decade now in Canada,
we've had this privileged prettyboy, like smiling into a camera,
making a trip to India, hiring acelebrity Indian chef on

(27:41):
taxpayer dollars, basicallygetting made fun of at some of
these international conferences.
And that's just from the top.
I'm not, I'm not talking aboutlocal.
But the politicized, you know,kind of head of the snake, so to
speak, when you when you hearthese things and you see these
things.
And like you said, you have realworld problems like your wife
and yourself and you're tryingto get citizen for your kids.

(28:02):
I'm sure like you said, whenpeople are here, and they make
this part of their bigger issue.
You probably smile, turn to yourwife and be like, we got bigger
fish to fry.
We got a big goal in mind, but,but of, of the little bit that
you do see and you are exposedto, and I'm sure maybe Ray has
been a little bit of a bug inyour ear about that.
Cause I know he loves thatstuff.

(28:22):
Just curious when you, when youhear of those types of stories
and Canadians.
Really make that their problem,and they really consume
themselves with it, and theyfind themselves on social media,
and in friend circles, and maybedisowning friends that are
conservative vs.
liberal, or liberal vs.
conservative.
What is your take on that, whenyou look at, you know,
basically, I guess what I'masking is, when Canadians make

(28:45):
these, you know, fictitious andmade up problems that they think
affect them, but it reallydoesn't, but it really affects
your patriotism, it affects yourAbility to be a proud Canadian
because it's like, how can we beproud when the people who are
voted to present us are kind ofjokes and I'm picking on Trudeau
because he's kind of easy, buteven in Alberta, you know, we,

(29:06):
during the, during the pandemic,he told everyone, Hey, you got
to lock down, but then somebodyhad a picture of them eating at
one of the most expensiverestaurants on the rooftop in
downtown Edmonton and it's like,dude, you're, you're a joke,
like you're a jackass and thatreally, it doesn't really seem
to be.
You know, specific to one partyor the other, you know, people
like to fly that red or bluebanner or in Alberta, we do have

(29:30):
orange, but I'm curious fromyour perspective, because I
think that you have such avaluable input that people that
find themselves so conflictedand so divided and so married to
a political ideology where youhave a perspective of guys, it's
fucking politics move along andlet's face some issues in front
of you.
Maybe you drink too much.
Maybe you don't have a good man.

(29:51):
Like, I feel like you have agreat perspective because having
had to really deal with thegovernment head on coming to
Canada, filling out thepaperwork, dealing with all that
stuff.
You've dealt with a bit of, youknow, racism in Canada where
it's like, Oh, you're notCanadian.
La la la.
Like we're, we're pretty good inCanada with that, but I'm sure
there's been, you know, some ofthat, those people exist.

(30:12):
I really love your perspectiveof guys.
It's fucking politics.
Put it to the side.
Deal with it as much as youwant, but don't make it your
world.
Don't make it your frustratemove on.
If you want to share a littlebit about that and then we won't
beat this horse too dead, Ireally want to get into your
story, but yeah, just a littlebit of light on that and then
we'll go right into it.

Daru (30:32):
Okay, cool.
No, thank you.
Yeah, thanks for clearing thatup for me.
In terms of, yeah, like fromjust inside, you know you know,
making telling everybody totighten the belt and sort of say
we need to push through this andall of this and then going on
your own little vacation.
I mean, that's just a dick move.
So yeah, I completely disagreewith that.
But yeah, from a, from apolitical standpoint, I think

(30:54):
the one thing that, thatCanadians need to remember is
that your vote still counts.
I come, well, I believe that,you know, the, the ruling party
in South Africa has been inexistence ever since 1994 at the
end of apartheid.
And they've, they've, it's, it'swe have an election every four
years as well, but they've beenin power for over 30 years now.

(31:16):
Unemployment is up the debt,national debt is up education is
down, infrastructure is nonexisting and all of that.
From a Canadian point of view,your vote still counts.
You, you can actually go to thepolls and make a change.
And there's a, there's a, I'vegot no, I've got no belief

(31:37):
whatsoever that going to thepolls and voting will change
anything in South Africa.
I haven't seen anything thatwill convince me of that just
yet.
In Canada, at the very least, ifyou are unhappy with the party
that's in power at the moment,then vote them out and get the
change that you want when theopportunity arrives.
The sacrifices that have beenmade that gives you that right

(31:59):
doesn't come very easy, and thefact that you've got that right,
and that, that, executing thatright actually does lead to real
world change, is a privilegethat shouldn't be taken for
granted.
If my big fear is, is I'm scaredthat I don't know if you've
countries like Rwanda andZimbabwe and all of that,

(32:19):
they've they, they used to becountries that you know, they,
they were thriving politicallyeconomically and all of that.
They've all been, they've beenrun into the ground.
It's almost too you know, itwould be almost easier just to
scrap everything and build,build, build it over from the
ground on up.
And my fear is that that wouldhappen to South Africa.
So yeah, when I drive aroundwith my kids and I see you know,

(32:43):
the everyday Canadians, and toyour point, yeah, I mean, we've
met people that are like a realwelcoming and, and other people
that are sort of like, yeah,well, you know, it's, we don't
need more, you know, immigrantsin the community although when
it, when it comes toimmigration, my point of view on
it as well is like, I've toldRay this, is to like if, let's

(33:05):
say in South Africa, I had atradition, which was a national
tradition of every morning at 2a.
m.
I wake up and I go stand on theroof of my house and I need to
blow a horn for 10 minutes WhenI make the decision to immigrate
to another country, if thattradition is not part of the
culture of the country where I'mimmigrating to, I forgo the

(33:28):
right to continue with it, ifthat, if that makes sense,
that's my, that's my mentality,but it's also a big part of the
reason why we chose Canada,because it matches, it matches
very closely to our existingvalue system and our existing
form of our existing mentalitytowards you know, life in

(33:49):
everyday routines and all ofthat.
But we do when it comes tomindset, and again, when I look
at you know, people within thecommunity and all of that, a lot
of times I would tell myself Youknow, Canadians, they just need
to sit back, relax, and hardenthe fuck up.
Like, there, there are worsethings in the world than what

(34:11):
you are going through.

Alfred (34:13):
Oh, that's such a breath of fresh air.
Thank you so much for makingthat statement.

Daru (34:18):
No, that is, that is, that is, like, seriously, like, this
cannot be your biggest problemin, like, in the world that you
are dealing with.
And that comes from You know,every, like everyday things,
like somebody, I don't know, Ijust, I'm trying to, like, I
can, I want to be respectful ofpeople's privacy, but I hear my

(34:39):
wife come home some days from,from work and she would like
say, you won't believe whatshe's had to deal with in terms
of people coming in with, with amedical problem.
But then, you know, it's, it'sbecause they lost their wedding
videotape.
And they've, they've now beencrying for two days, and that

(35:02):
surely that that can't be thebest use of your time to come
and sit in front of, in front ofa physician and cry for an hour
and a half, like there's no,there's medically nothing wrong
with you, but like, what do youneed?
But yeah, then my mind, my mindvery quickly goes to, you know,
you need to hold on the fucker.
On the flip side of that, whereI will say is we're Canadians,

(35:25):
they are real hands on like likeyou guys, I mean, like, in, in,
in South Africa, a garage iswhere you park your car during
the evenings and close the doorso that you keep it safe.
In Canada, everybody's garagesis like a workshop and you guys

(35:46):
are real hands on in terms ofyour own maintenance, your
projects that you take on andthose sort of stuff.
And I love that.
Like, I'm the amount of YouTubevideos I've needed to watch to
upskill myself in the last fouryears that I've been in Canada.
It's ridiculous.
And it's from, from, I mean,small things like I don't know.

(36:06):
Like, yeah, like the lawnmowerstops working, you know, in
South Africa, I would phonesomebody and pay them to come
and do that because it would berelatively cheap compared to
taking the time to find outwhat's, what's wrong with it
myself.
But in Canada, that's adifferent story.
So you know, you constantly,yeah.
You're learning, you'reunlearning, you're learning new

(36:27):
stuff.
And I love that.
And I love that my kids willgrow up in that environment
where, you know, the normal partof society would be that you
need to be self sustaining.
You need to be able to think foryourself.
You need to be able to solveyour own problems.
You know, if If there's an issuewith the gutters, that's your
problem first.
You know, is there somebody,somebody that you can find for

(36:47):
that?
Most probably, but it's going tobe real expensive.
So, you know, how to, I alwaystell my wife when she comes to
me with those, she hates that Ido this, but when she comes to
me with a problem, I usuallyask, so what did, what did
Google say?
And then she'll just look at meand then I'll say, so what did
YouTube say when you, when youtyped that question into
YouTube?
And then like, she'll give methe finger.

(37:09):
And then normally I'll likeclose it off with what a chat
GPT say when you asked it for,for the answer.
But the point that I'm trying toconvey is, is that there's so
many tools out there that allowsyou to, you know, find the
answer yourself.
And I think that's It's sort ofsomething that the Canadian
society has, has been living.
And I think I think it'sprobably true all across North

(37:29):
America.
But yeah, there are certainthings where you really just
need, it's not as bad as it canbe definitely.
Minor issues, minor issues.

Alfred (37:40):
I love it.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for speakingfrom the heart.
Cause I feel like people aregoing to hear this and you might
take offense to it and really,if you do, I don't know, go get
a helmet, like whatever, man,like, I mean, what do you want,
like, what do you want to say?
Right.
Like if you're making something.
You know, Tridufus did andyou're, you know, Oh, that's my
biggest issue of the day.
It's like, man, you need toeither create more problems that

(38:01):
are actually problems and solve,but yeah, that concept of
autonomy and that concept ofself, you know, self sufficiency
that's a huge value of Canadianand likely American to people
might take for granted, right.
And, you know, when we're.
It sucks that outsourcingsomething that you don't have
the skill to do is so expensivethat you kind of have to do it.
So the quality would likelysuffer as a result because

(38:25):
people who are professionals arethat much more expensive.
You know, you hire a contractorto fix your home, you know, if
they're, you know, if they'rereally high quality, it's going
to be expensive, but you knowthat it's going to be done,
right?
So you have to kind of pick andchoose your battles depending on
your.
That is in your ability, youknow, to kind of have the means
to do that.
But I love some of the thingsthat you spoke there and you
spoke from the heart, so thankyou very much.
Cause yeah, some people might,might need to hear this.

(38:48):
I want to go into you.
We talked about your wife beinga physician.
Thank you so much to her.
Doctors are definitely somethingthat might go under
underappreciated, but yeah, Iabsolutely love a high quality
physician.
It's a thankless job and as muchas they're compensated, likely
not compensated enough.
So thank you very much to yourwife.
Talking a little bit about you,you said that you were in supply
chain in South Africa, I'm sure.
Expertise in South supply chainin South Africa versus Canada.

(39:11):
We have a little bit, like yousaid, our passport goes further.
So I imagine our borders gofurther and you have the ability
to touch more corners of theglobe with a business.
And with that ability.
So talk to me a little bit aboutyour business, what you do and
how you provide service topeople.
I'd love to hear about it.

Daru (39:26):
Yeah.
So my, my background inlogistics is sort of something
that I'm very, very gratefulfor.
It's I took quite a bit ofschooling prior to starting my
working career.
So after finishing high school,I originally went to university
to study finance but I foundaccounting to be too big of a
challenge for me.
And I, I.

(39:46):
I was told that I would need tocomplete accounting all the way
into my third year.
So I switched from finance tomarketing.
And it was during while I wasstudying that degree that I got
introduced to logistics as asubject.
And that's sort of where mypassion for, for the industry
kicked off.
Cause I found it real, realinteresting.
I mean, we were talking aboutstuff when you're in a shopping

(40:07):
mall, you know, and they you'rewaiting in the line to get to
the till it's always in azigzag.
format.
And you know, like, why is that?
It's because it, it, it givesyou, you, you provide time for
the customer to actually standstill.
And if you have a look on theiracts, it's always women's
magazines and candy.

(40:28):
Cause those are studies showthat those are the people that
do most of the shopping.
And you know, those are thethings that people will buy on
an impulse.
And that's like built into thebusiness.
Design and I found thatfascinating.
So that is that sort of is wherethe the seed started ended up
doing a postgraduate degree inlogistics because of that after

(40:50):
finishing my marketing degree.
And then started working for acompany called uti which was
eventually bought over By acompany called dsv as a as a
global supply chain company II'm currently sort of, I've got
my logistics world on a pausebecause when we came into

(41:11):
Canada, it was obviously for mywife's work and within the
community that we sit in,although we're very close to the
oil fields, there's not a lot ofwork in that field.
So I actually ended up stayinghome for the first 14 months of
us being in Canada.
And that was due to the reasonwhen we, when we got the email

(41:32):
stating that we, everything, allthe paperwork is done for
immigration and we can, youknow, my wife got a start date,
I think of May 1st 2021 to be into report in Canada in Westlock
just north of Edmonton.
For her what is probation orassessment period?
She needed to do three monthsassessment period.

(41:53):
So that was also still in theheart of the pandemic and there
was quarantine times built intotravel.
So from the date that we got theemail that mean That meant that
we needed to be on a planewithin the next 10 days
Otherwise, we won't have enoughtime to quarantine in canada
before she needs to start work.
I think I believe that was asunday night.

(42:15):
And then on the Tuesday morningwe found out that we were
pregnant with our daughter.
So the next evening we had amassive family meeting, just to
tell all of the family, by theway like we're on our way to
Canada, we'll see you when wesee you.
And my wife, she doesn't find itas funny as I do, but I told
everybody she's now changed frombeing just my wife into being my

(42:39):
wife and a bodybuilder, and Isaid she's literally building a
body.
And I don't know, nobody got thejoke with me, but I thought I
thought that was quite coolanyway.
But yeah, so we told them wewere pregnant.
And i'm telling you all of thisjust basically to tell you that
so when we got to canada Weobviously had no support system
So the decision was very clearto us that I will stay home with

(43:01):
my daughter and i'll look afterher until she can go to daycare
so yeah, within the supply chainand logistics world while I was
looking after my daughter athome, like, you know, I'm
obviously looking for differentkind of jobs, and I'm not really
finding anything that works forme.
I end up going around you know,I'm talking to myself and tell
myself, okay, daughter, you needto make this work for you.
So toughen up you know, get getin front of people and you know,

(43:25):
you need to get the job done.
So I ended up going with a stackof my resumes to all of the big
companies within the communitythat I live in.
We're only 15, 000 people, sothere's not a lot of them.
One of them being themunicipality and I.
End up having a chat with themayor and the C.
I.
O.
From the municipality.

(43:46):
They sort of know my wifebecause they, you know, get
introduced to all of thepositions when you come into
into the community.
To cut a longer story a bitshorter.
So what ends up happening is, isthat the city phones me because
they created E.
D.
O.
Economic development advisorrole within the city.
And they remembered that Idropped off my CV a couple of
couple of months or weeks agobefore then in that period.

(44:09):
And I get a call and ask, wouldI want to interview for the job?
So I actually end up gettingthat job.
So spent a year and a halfworking as the economic
development advisor for the citywhile that time dreaming putting
in the work, writing thebusiness plan and all of that
for starting my own businessmanagement consulting agency.

(44:32):
And that's where I am today.
So currently I am the owner ofGolden Thread Consulting.
So I do business coaching andpersonal development.
Some of the clients that I seeare people within the political
environment within ourcommunity.
So I do some leadership coachingfor them.

(44:52):
I do team dynamics coaching.
Tomorrow I've got to have apersonal finance and budgeting
workshop that I'm putting ontogether.
So it's all those sort ofbusiness related services that
I, that I do for larger clients.
I do what I call businessanalysis and industrial
engineering.

(45:12):
So effectively, I work on areverse percentage commission
fee.
What that means is if, if sayyou were a business and you have
a turnover of a million dollarsor more a year there's most
probably inefficiencies withinyour business that you are
either aware of and don't knowhow to fix or unaware of and

(45:34):
paying for.
Without noticing it.
So what I do is I, I charge amonth off business analysis fee
and I analyze your entirebusiness, which usually usually
includes looking at yourinformation systems, your
financial flow and youroperations.
I then.
After completing the analysis, Ithen identify areas of

(45:54):
improvement which I believe weare are open for improvement,
and then we agree on apercentage to sort of say, okay,
so if I look at these areas, andif I modify them to such a way
that they improve when youactually save money, let's say
you save 20 grand a month orwhatever, if you're a, if you're
a medium to larger sizebusiness, We then agree up front

(46:16):
on a percentage of that savingcomes to me.
So effectively I operate like anaccountant.
You pay your accountant to saveyou money from CRA.
I'm the same way.
So you I'm going to give you themoney that you're going to pay
me with by saving you the moneyout of your own business.
So that's more of the businessmanagement consulting sort of

(46:37):
side on the personal developmentside.
I've worked with.
I work with teams.
I work with, normally it'snormally it's like management
teams or sales teams wherethere's you know, they need to
some conflict resolution teamdynamics or just some, some
leadership training or stufflike that.
But yeah, that's, that's sort ofthe stuff that that fuels my
passion.

(46:57):
I'm a real, real big believerin, in personal development and
I love reading all the books andyou know, listening to all the
podcasts and you know, justgrowing my knowledge base every
single day.
My, I, I tell my kids and I tellmyself, you, you know, every day
you just need to be 1 percentbetter than what you were
yesterday.
And yeah, so your, your biggestenemy is, is your current

(47:19):
version of yourself.
So that's who you need to beat.
Yeah.
And I try and portray that to myclients as well when, when we do
that.
So yeah, I guess, I guess that'sme.
Oh, I love that.
I

Alfred (47:30):
love that.
I love the idea of giving peoplethat worry free.
Mindset of reaching out.
And yeah, there's an upfrontcost for your time to do a
proper assessment because that'sjust dead hours.
But the idea of potentiallysaving somebody and then only
taking a percentage of that,that seems like a stupid
decision not to make as abusiness, if you don't have the
ability.
And if you're saving 20 percentand you're charging 5 percent of

(47:53):
that 20%, which is a greatrevenue that's a very easy
business model to want tofollow.
And I think, I think selfauditing a business and self
auditing yourself is important,but when you get a third party
view, they're unbiased.
They're not, you know, they're,they're.
They're judgmental in thecorrect way, because it's in
your best interest to find thoseinefficiencies and to find, you

(48:15):
know, maybe you're doingQuickBooks and you're buying
TurboTax for a million dollar ayear business.
And it's like, no, no, no, no.
I'm going to hook you up with anaccountant.
That's going to save you 20, 000on taxes.
He's going to charge you threeand I'm going to charge you two.
And you're 15, 000 and take yourwife and kids on a nice
vacation.
Yeah, and it's not going to costyou anything like that's kind of

(48:37):
that's just a quick, quick anddirty example.
I can come off the top of myhead, but I love that.
I think that's really good.
Real quick, if you through theclients that you've worked with
can you give me an example froma business perspective and then
a personal developmentperspective where you think most
People in businesses lack what'sbeen a common inefficiency or a
common struggle that clientshave come to you that you've

(48:59):
identified that seems to be morecommon than people might think
and then on the personaldevelopment side, what is
something common that you seepeople do?
Is it nutrition?
Is it mindset?
Is it alcohol?
Is it depression?
Is Justin Trudeau?
What could it be?
And then on the business side ofit, What are some inefficiencies
or some, some areas that, youknow, on small business, but

(49:19):
maybe also big business, theymight overlook or they might not
really see.

Daru (49:24):
So I'll start with the business side on the business
sides.
It's usually the, when it's thesmaller businesses, it comes to
cash flow.
So when you, it usually startsby, you know, you take a look at
the bank statement, you can seethere's a lot of money coming
in, but money is moving out justas fast as, as, as it's coming
in sometimes even faster.

(49:46):
And, but when you, when youspeak to the owners and you ask
them, like, you know, are you,are you making a profit?
Absolutely.
Like, how do you know that?
No, but we have a ton of sales.
It's like, okay, but do youactually, like, if you open your
bank account right now and youlook at it, what number are you
going to see?
You know, are you going to seehundreds of thousands of dollars

(50:07):
or thousands of dollars and thenthat's sort of where, where the
light goes on to sort of say, soyes, you've got a lot of money
coming in, but it's moving on.
So cash flow is usually the bigone.
And then I would say to call ithidden costs, but it's not
necessarily hidden costs, butit's, it's, it's costs, it's
things that you sign up for, foryour business, for example.
So let's say you sign up forsome.

(50:28):
Subscription service.
And you forget about it, butthat keeps going off of your
account every single month.
And I'm using that now as anexample, but for a larger
business, that could besomething like the contract that
you negotiated with yoursupplier and the rates that you
pay to that supplier, like Thepoint I'm trying to make is that
you need to review that fromtime to time to make sure is

(50:51):
that does that still reflect theneeds of your business and by
extension, the needs of yourcustomers.
Most, most of the time you'reoverpaying for the items that
you need to run your business.
And that's usually where thesavings are.
If it's not there, then it'susually within the process of
how you deliver your service orbuild your car or build your

(51:12):
product.
And whether that's utilities,manpower, hours worked cost of
goods or something to thatnature.
That's usually where the, wherethey would be, but it's, yeah,
not reviewing your costs andmanaging cashflow is definitely
the two ones for, for, from abusiness perspective that we,
that I come across the most froma personal development side,

(51:34):
most the thing I come acrossmost often is people wanting to
improve their leadership.
And.
I always start by asking them.
Okay, so what is leadership toyou?
And then it's sort of I usuallyget a bit of a blank face, but
it's people that are, you know,they are, they're in a position
of authority.
They're looking after a team,but they're not achieving the

(51:57):
goals in such a way as they wantto.
And so by extension, theybelieve it's leadership that's
lacking.
There is there is obviously sometruth to that, but sometimes
it's more than that.
Sometimes it's the dynamics ofthe team as well.
Sometimes there's the SimonSinek has got this one great
example of, you know, if if you,if you've got a team and you

(52:20):
walk into that room and you askeverybody in the Team, you know,
why is the morale so low?
And nobody wants to answer you,but you ask them then who show
me who's the asshole in theteam?
And they all point to the sameguy.
That's, that's often the problemas well, is that there's one
individual that's pullingeverybody down.
But yeah, when it comes to, whatI love about personal

(52:42):
development is usually theclient already has the answers.
You are just asking thequestions in the right sequence
that they know what they, whatthey want to do.
And it's, yeah, sort of.
Reminding them that when itcomes to, to leadership, you
know leaders by extensiondevelop new leaders.
So yeah, so being the examplefor, for the rest of the team

(53:04):
and creating them to lead thisin their own writers is what I
do the most when, when when itcomes to the personal
development side.

Alfred (53:13):
Oh, I love that.
I love the business real worldexample.
It's so trend, it's so.
It's translatable to personal,you know, the amount of
descriptions that people havethat don't that they don't use
and you know, they're focusingon the wrong thing like they're
like, Oh, I got a, I got a shopfor no name groceries or I got
to get a second job and there'sinefficiencies in your personal

(53:36):
life and business is just anextension of that.
On the flip side, the the ideathat that cashflow is so
interesting to me cause I have asmall business with my brothers.
We've been doing it for eightyears and we're running into a
cashflow problem just cause ofthe season out our business.
It's very heavy winter, verylight summer.
So there's just, there's thatlow.

(53:57):
So we kind of have hyper focusedon the winter, but not to the
extension of expanding it overthe summer when that revenue
stream changes, we have tochange.
And so that's something that werecently, the one thing that I
know was a little bit of a gamechanger for us is when we
started focusing on marginrather than numbers is look at
the percentage is that way itmight only seem like a small

(54:19):
change when you're, say, quotingout a job or whenever you're
going to accounts payable andyou're saying, no, I need to
increase this to that or thismonthly service.
Increased by a percentage ratherthan a dollar value.
And I feel when you operate onpercentages, it doesn't matter
if it's a hundred dollarcontract, a thousand dollar
contract, or a million dollarcontract, 10 percent is 10%, you
know, and you may not think thatpercent on a hundred dollars is

(54:41):
worth that 10 bucks, but whenyou're consistent as a business,
it's transmutable, no matter howmuch you grow or how much you
shrink is when you keep marginsthe same.
And you, and you look at, youknow, we call it OP, overhead
and profit.
When you look at those thingsand that stays the same,
regardless, it actually makesyour business efficient.
You're not trying to sit thereand say, Oh, well, I've never

(55:01):
done a 10, 000 a month contract,but if you have a hundred
thousand dollar contract, you'rejust 10%.
It's, it's, it's, it's, it'stranslatable across the board,
regardless of where you're at.
So that's been a really big gamechanger for us.
When we talk about marginsversus numbers, you just deduce
it down to a, a two digit numberor one digit, depending on
where, you know, what yourmargins need to be.
But that's really easy becauseit makes it simple, no matter

(55:23):
the scope, no matter whatever.
So that was a big game changerfor us.
And then I love the fact thatyou said businesses are
oblivious to their numbers isoutsourcing is a massive,
massive problem in entrepreneurand business is when you
outsource everything and you'reonly focused on your service.
This is a conflicted messagebecause a lot of stuff on tells

(55:44):
you focus on what you're goodat, but as a fitness.
You cannot outsource a lot ofthose stuff unless you're unless
you're sourcing it in house.
If you hire an in houseaccountant or an in house COO,
something like that, thathandles the numbers, that's
different, but you need to beable to read.
You need to be able to look at agraph or look at a chart or look
at a financial report andunderstand your trajectory

(56:05):
without it being highlighted.
Like you're a fucking sixthgrade kid.
You need to be able to look atit and say, okay, we're on the
right path or.
Where is all of our fuckingmoney going or why have we
dropped 30 percent of ourclientele?
What is happening?
You can see that with a verypopular podcast.
I listened to the PBD podcast,Patrick bet.
David.
He has a name Tom, and he has afamous saying, saying words,

(56:29):
talking numbers, scream causehe's a numbers and that is so,
so true because truthfully, youneed to be able to do these
things.
You need to be able to create orlook at a general financial
report and be able to understandyour business at a glance.
To the depths, but look at itand say, this is a good report

(56:50):
or this is a bad report.
Yeah.
And then you reverse engineer itand try to get down to the
problem.
So I appreciate that insight.
And then, yeah, on the personaldevelopment side, leadership
it's an intangible skill.
It's not everybody, noteverybody can get it.
It's it's difficult.
I know some managers and bossesI've had, you can tell, you
know, we're going to go back tothe beginning of this podcast.

(57:10):
A gentleman named Ray, Ray hasleadership.
He has leadership skills.
It starts with the energy.
Are you a high positive energyperson or are you always down,
you know, you can be.
The best subject matter expertin any field, but if you're
somebody who's always down,always pessimistic, always, you
know, you know, nitpickingthings and micromanaging stuff,

(57:31):
people ain't going to followyou, man.
It's just the way it is.
You can give me all thededicated tasks all you want.
I'm not going to respect you.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not goingto, I'm not going to go and go
above and beyond for somebodylike you, which affects morale,
which affects engagement, whichaffects a lot of different
things.
So I appreciate thatperspective.
I'm not going to keep you toomuch longer here.
I want to give you a open micshout outs kudos, props,

(57:53):
websites where can people findyou give us the nitty gritty.
I just want to give you the openmic Daru and yeah, let people
know what's going on.

Daru (58:01):
Yeah.
Thank you very much, Alfred.
Yeah, I like, I reallyappreciate yeah, the invite t be
on your podcast.
I really enjoyed this.
Yeah, people can find me.
I'm online and on Facebook andon LinkedIn.
Golden Thread Consulting is iswhat you need to Google to find
me.
The website is simply goldenThread consulting.ca.

(58:22):
You could reach out to me overthere.
All of my contact information isthere.
Yeah, big shout out to Ray.
Thanks.
Yeah, thanks Ray for yeah, beingyou hate that.
I call you a mentor, but that isexactly what you are.
Thanks for being a mentor.
And thanks for yeah, theintroductions to Alfred so that
we could do this.
I really appreciate that.
Yeah.
And thanks to you as well foryeah, for taking the time to

(58:43):
meet with me.
Yeah.
And congratulations on, on thenew addition to the family
coming soon.
So yeah.
And I guess I'll, I'll, I'llfinish off just again, touching
on, on mindsets is that whenyou're sitting with your
problems, whether it's personalor within business You know,
take a, take a look back at theproblems you had six months ago
and ask yourself if you're stillsitting with the same problems.

(59:04):
If that answer is no, then itshows you've got progress.
So every, every setback, everyrejection is recognition that
you're moving in the rightdirection.
That's my own slogan that I'vewritten across my mirror.
I'm naturally kind of a shy guy,so I need to get in front of
people like salespeople do andbe rejected so that I can grow

(59:26):
out of those environments.
So you only grow when you'reuncomfortable.
So I try and force those sort ofenvironments.
stuff like this is exactly agood example of that for me.
But yeah, and then just as wellwhen, I'll take an example from
my wife.
When she was stuck on the cruiseship, there came a point in time
where they were unable to movethe bodies of passengers that

(59:51):
have passed away on the shipfrom the ship.
So there came a point where theyneeded to have a conversation
about is there space?
in the food freezers on boardfor the bodies of people that
won't be able to get off theship in time.
Now, imagine the problems thatyou've got and then imagine

(01:00:14):
yourself being part of thatconversation.
So, most probably the issuesthat you've got aren't that bad.
So like they say in Australia,harden the fuck up, mate, and
just get on with it.

Alfred (01:00:29):
I'm so stoked you ended on that.
That's so awesome.
Okay, Dara, well, thank you somuch for your time today, buddy.
I really appreciate it.
Yeah.
If anybody has any questions,please reach out.
I'm going to put all these linksin the, in the show notes below
and we'll catch you guys in thenext podcast.
Thanks very much.
Thanks.
Well, that's it for thisepisode.

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