January 22, 2024 • 46 mins
Jon shares a discovery he found while camping in New Mexico that was meant to be left undisturbed. The secret that he found was not just an entry point to an underground world, but a mysterious element frozen in time.
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This is a tunnel about the size of A2 lane.
Highway well, I I had to go and at the end of the tunnel.
Were these two giant metal? Doors.
I stepped. In and merely knew I.
Was in a cavern. It's just a giant area from HV
Studio. This is unnerved.
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Welcome back to the Unnerved podcast.
It's where normal people share their abnormal stories, and if
you enjoy true stories of the strange and terrifying, then
you're in the right place. I'm your host, Chris Fricke.
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Have you ever had the chance to watch the back rooms on YouTube?
It's a series of realistic mazes, sometimes underground,
that are discovered by unfortunate people.
The mazes themselves are endlessspaces of empty rooms where the
visitor is alone and afraid, searching or an exit.
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But there's always something evil lurking and following this
individual in the shadows. These videos, of course, are
fictional, but what if a similarmaze actually existed in our
current reality underground? In today's story, John shares a
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discovery he found while campingin New Mexico that was meant to
be left undisturbed. The secret that he found was not
just an entry point to an underground world, but a
mysterious element frozen in time.
This is his story. My name is John.
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I am. A contracted researcher for the.
Military out here in New Mexico.My specialty is machine
learning. Deep general AI theory and
practice. Me and my colleagues, we
basically run a team out in new.Mexico that takes the practice,
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the theory of machine. Learning and.
Puts it into the. Field, So we might take for
instance. Robotics WE work with Robotics
team. We dump the software the the
instructions into. The physical, The physical.
Entity, the robot and the. Machine.
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Learns based upon our perimeters.
That's the sort of research thatwe do.
We have clearance. Again, I don't.
I'm not a military. Person I just have clearance.
To be on this base. And.
The area that I. Work in is called White Sands
Missile. Range.
But it's not. It's not the missile range.
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Let me explain that real fast White Sands Missile Range.
Is a vast area. It's so large that if you take
the area of Delaware and. Rhode Island.
It's actually a little bit larger than that than those
combined. It has the missile range and
this is most. Famously known for testing
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Trinity, which is the atomic bomb.
The first atomic bomb in like the northern area of the range.
And it's still used for. Testing.
But the area is so large it. Actually encompasses not only
different. Research areas, but it also has.
A military? A large Army base right in
there, and within it, White Sands National.
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Park. And the San Andreas National.
Wildlife, Wildlife, Refuge, and these.
These areas are not remotely. Close to the.
Testing site? You can't.
Somehow wander in from the from White Sands, the National Park.
Into the testing site, That's impossible.
It's impossible a because of thedistance and B because highly
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guarded, highly fenced. You're just not.
Going to be able to do it. My research area.
Is not anywhere near. The testing site the.
Land out there is dotted. By several different research
areas. So my area is gated, I can go in
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there. There's a few buildings, one
story buildings. It's not like a campus or
anything like that. There are campuses.
Of research, but you see that mostly in Los Alamos this area
is just sporadic. Few scientists coming in and
out, some military personnel. If they're.
Looking at our designs or something like.
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That and then. We're out there by ourselves and
we're quite a bit of ways. From any city or any.
Town Las Cruces is. 50 or something miles from my actual
research area. And that's a Southern.
Area of New Mexico. Well, we get bored out there.
There's not a lot going on. And we're at the base we're at,
we're out there all the time, almost 24. 7.
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And if you know anything about. Southern New Mexico.
It's one of the best stargazing areas for Continental.
United States, in fact, it's also for noise pollution.
One of the. Quietest areas in the
continental US, so in. White Sands Brings the National
Park Brings Out a. Ton of sky gazers and, you know,
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lovers of nature, Wildlife, Refuge and whatnot.
And I. Love that too.
And so me and some of the colleagues, sometimes, if we're
working the weekends, have some time on our hands.
We'll go hiking back there. I take walks all the time in.
The forested area next to my. Research stations.
I'm not on the sands. The topography of the area is
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it's really different. It's not just sands or dunes,
it's also southern. Mountainous.
Terrain, pine trees and whatnot,so I take quite a few.
Walks out there during my days and then on the weekends
sometimes we take. Long backpacking trips.
And be gone all. Weekend camp out there, there's
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no issues there. Federal land and we've got our
clearance. I map my trails because there's
no trail like you'd see in a National Park or National
Forest. It's just wilderness.
It's not cleared by a Ranger or.Anything like that?
And I map it with GPS. And so I know where I am and I'm
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not. I'm comfortable with where I am,
enough to where I'm not. Too worried about getting lost.
I'm actually more worried about mountain lions, because there's
bear by bear. Mountain Lion.
One day I was. Out there, walking up.
Planned on being out there all weekend.
I was going to stargaze and justset up my tent and get away from
life. Then I was roughly. 15 miles
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actually, I know exactly how farI was, It was about 14.2 miles.
Back in the Backcountry and you know you have to.
Bushwhack back there. You know, machete and grass can
get real high, so you're sort ofmaking your own trail maybe.
Following an animal trail and I'd gone into the.
Forest get some shade. I was a little bit.
Deeper in there and there are a few widow makers, which are
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trees that are. Dead that call widow makers,
because if you're not paying attention in one of those falls,
it's going to kill you pretty easily so.
I'm down back there and I there's a downed branch, a
downed tree actually in my path.And this is the way I want to go
because it slopes up to my rightand I don't want to go into the
ridges area. That's dangerous.
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It slopes to my left. It becomes more of a plains
area, so sort of. On the on the.
Edge there of the forest and I dipped under this tree.
It was being sort of propped up by a live tree.
And as I'm doing that, I'm watching my footing.
And I look at the ground. And right underneath that.
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Is a manhole and it's covered with some dirt and whatnot, but
this? This there.
Wasn't it wasn't overgrown? Underneath these trees, the
canopy wasn't allowing for high grass in that area, it's more
like almost muddy. And I was immediately perplexed.
By this I. Got out from my other.
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Canopy a little bit. And started looking at the
ground more thoroughly to see ifI could.
Find a Rd. The Jeep trail, because it made
no sense that this manhole was that far out without there being
some sort of Rd. Was this area overgrown?
How old my mind immediately. Started going, started kicking
like. Why is this out here?
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Is there sewage? Below me, but where would?
The sewage be coming from and. Why would it be flowing through
here? None of it made sense, but.
Again, I just sort of. Was like, OK, maybe there's
sewage down here. And I looked at the manhole.
And if you ever seen manholes? Looked up close.
They have like a fell, a keyholeand a special key has to go in
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there to pry them open. Then they're heavy.
You're crazy heavy. Some of them are 150 lbs or
something like that. Well, this one.
Looked like it was open. Like I could actually pull it
open, and sure enough I could. And the way I knew that was that
I just sort of jiggled it and got my hand into the hole.
And I was like, oh, this thing got open.
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It's heavy, but it's got locked.And I had my hiking.
Poles and those hiking poles aresturdy and I was just too
curious. Why is this out here?
So I pry it up, but I bent my hiking pole in order to get it
open. I finally got it open.
And pulled it up and I had at this.
Time I was getting. Close to leaving the camp
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because I've been out there for a long time.
It takes a long time to walk that and.
I had my head lamp out so it. Wouldn't get dark on me without
me having some sort of a light source.
And when I looked down and therewas a.
Ladder, which you would expect asmall tunnel to go down couldn't
see was at the end of the ladderor how deep it was.
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Well, I I had to go. I just.
I was just too curious. I was like what?
What is this? So I went down and the ladder
went about. It was a long ladder.
It was longer than I. Thought it was probably.
Oh, twenty. Maybe even 30.
Feet and as I. Descended.
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I couldn't see anything. So immediately it was kind of.
Gripping that ladder pretty hardas my curiosity got the best of
me, and also as my anxiety rose a little bit, I got down to the
bottom of this thing. And I immediately knew.
It was a tunnel. Shine my light.
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To the left, to the right, Northand South.
I knew I was. I knew which way was north,
because at the top of the ladderI'd I knew I was facing north.
So I knew which way was north. And my light even.
On the high beam it just, you know it goes some roughly twin
in pitch blackness you got. Maybe.
Probably 20 feet, 15 feet in. Front of you of of light.
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And on. You know where the ladder was?
That was a wall. Smooth concrete but real smooth.
Underneath me concrete, real smooth.
And then on the other side, I could barely.
Make up the other wall and it was roughly the size the tunnel
about the size of A2 lane highway high.
Ceilings and a rounded. It didn't have a smell outside
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of it, just. Slightly industrial, but I
didn't smell any sort of. Exhaust.
I didn't smell any, any. Fumes or oils or anything like
that. And so I decided to.
Walk. I'm going to walk north and
just. See what this is?
It's pitch black. I'm walking parallel to the
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right wall with my hand. My right?
Hand on the wall. And the whole time I'm walking,
I'm going very slow. I'm.
Feeling for any other ladders oranything that it might give me
a. Sense of space.
And I'm also in my. Head thinking What did I stumble
upon? This is a.
Tunnel clearly meant for transportation.
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Vehicle transportation is not sewer clean.
My mind is going under base bunkers, research station.
I don't know pitch. Black and if you've.
Ever been in tunnels? The first thing I started
thinking. Was the houses ventilated and?
That's sort of an unusual. Thing to not smell exhaust
unless trucks just don't go through there well.
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Tunnels are ventilated in different.
Ways, but a shorter tunnel. Basically it's almost like a
vacuum. It's.
Pushed pressure is pushed in from one end, southern end.
Gets pulled through by the trucks, aerodynamics pulls it in
and then at the other end it's pushed up.
With. Fans up and ventilated outside.
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They don't all have that sort ofventilation, but I was.
Thinking about ventilation, I was going.
Through there because I. Didn't smell anything.
Carbon dioxide doesn't have a. Smell, you know.
Should be worried about that, but.
Other than sort of working. Out the logistics of it, the
physics of it. I wasn't too worried about that.
So I kept going and I walked for2025 minutes.
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I know. That.
By the way, my cell phone was completely out of Commission.
There was no bars. There was no GPS.
It was once I. Descend on that ladder only.
Even just a few feet, it all cutout.
So I knew how long I had walked only by the time I.
Spent in there and. Because of my.
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Pace. I estimate that I walked roughly
1000 meters, which is about halfa mile in One Direction.
And. After. 25 minutes or so.
Getting a little bit. Paranoid.
Is a truck going to come, I get run over or personnel going to
come in? There I.
Was already justifying it by. Telling them immediately I've
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got. Clearance and I'm on my own
property. Here I'm just checking this
place out. There's no reason to lie about
any of that. And then I came to the end of
the. Tunnel and at the end of the
tunnel were these two giant metal doors.
They looked like barn doors, except they.
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Were metal and not. Wood.
And they had that same. Sort of bolt action lock, except
they didn't have a padlocker. Or anything else on these.
Doors. What is this place?
Some sort of loading station. What are they?
What's behind these? Doors and why isn't there
security I. Had not seen any evidence.
Of security the whole time, eventhough my light didn't shine the
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the tunnel very well, so I looked all around the doors.
And there was one. Camera.
It was on top. These stations have tons.
Of cameras, the research stations, they all generally
look the same. Newer cameras that can be.
Very small? You can't.
See them to anything. That's like a.
A door camera might. Be sort of white and small,
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oblong shape or whatnot. This was like a bulky It had a
bulky case and looked like something you'd see in the 80s,
maybe the 90s. Like closed circuit television
camera. There's no blinking light.
And. Started thinking I was like,
there's no power down here, obviously and.
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I wonder if I can open. This door, I see no padlock that
that. Camera's not on and.
I just decided I was going to open it.
Foolish, yes. But again, if you do any urban
exploration. I love that urban exploration.
You just curiosity killed the cat here.
So I. Unbolt, I bolted.
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Unbolted the. Lock and it worked.
There was no other mechanism. And I started prying.
Open the doors. They were creaky, but they and
they were heavy and very heavy. But they.
You know, swung easily out. There's a.
Bolt on the bottom. Of the doors so you can like you
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know bolt the doors into the ground and sure enough at the as
the door swung open to like a. 90° angle.
To the to the wall, there's the hole in order to bolt it
through. And so I just swung one open and
bolted it and peeked inside, andI stepped in.
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And immediately knew I was in a.Cavern.
It's just a giant area. It felt large and spacious.
Couldn't. See anything in there?
And I stepped. In a few steps looking.
Behind me and. Making sure there's just no.
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Trucks. Coming or whatnot and in front
of me. I could barely make out this,
these designs, these edges of something in there, and there's
to the left and to the right of me sort of a a path in the
middle, large path that's a 20 feet wide.
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Couldn't I didn't see any forklifts or any other?
Equipment you'd see in a warehouse, but I imagine they
were there. I just didn't see the loading
area or whatnot, so I step in there.
And. I come up on these boxes of
crates. I don't.
Even know what to call. Them on my right to check out
the ones on my right first. And.
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They're stacked up. Like you'd see in a.
Warehouse, but it's very orderly.
A lot of warehouses aren't orderly at all.
You know they had leaning towersof crates.
This was the opposite. These are very well stacked and
some some of them were I would say 8 feet.
High, but only in maybe. Three of these crates, the
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crates were the size, the largest ones were the size of
like a dinner table, a dining. Table.
So maybe 3 feet high, you know, 8 feet.
Wide or long, 3 feet wide, something like that.
And there would be maybe one or two stacked.
Together. And then?
At the other end of them. You might have a couple.
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That were a few that were the size of like a large briefcase
gets stacked up but orderly thatspace between.
Them, obviously if the forklift.Needs to get.
In there they can. Get in, pull them out the.
First unusual thing I noticed. About it was that my light
reflected really well off of them.
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If you've ever seen Silver, it'sa weird property.
Your light will. Reflect all silver, but it also
absorbs it and so you get this weird and especially in liquid
silver, you get this sort of weird dark silver where the
light doesn't penetrate or doesn't doesn't reflect back at
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you in every. Area it just sort of.
It's just hard to describe what this is like, But that's exactly
what these crates look like. They didn't shine back the way
it would. Shine on metal or tin or
something like that. It shined almost in the liquidy
form, but it was a clear had clear dimensions.
It was a clear solid. I just I needed to know what
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these things were but what I couldn't see on them and I had
to look at the smaller ones for this.
Ones are roughly the size of suitcases stacked up and I could
see the top of one because the stacks weren't too high.
I was looking for any sort of latch angles.
There was nothing. There wasn't.
Even a a lid. It just was a a box, a crate.
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It seemed to have no opening. I had no idea what they were.
And. I walked a little bit.
Down this path. And I never when I say.
I walk, I'm talking and like, kept my sort.
Of my. My myself to the right side like
I did in the tunnel, feel and see these boxes and I probably
walked for 5 minutes in One Direction hadn't.
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I could never saw the. End of this thing.
And was. More paranoid at this moment.
Than I ever was in the tunnel because the.
Door from where? I had entered.
It disappeared almost immediately once I turned my
light away from it. So, you know, 10 feet into
there, I couldn't see the doors because there's no light coming
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from the tunnels. So I was really paranoid.
That I once I get lost in this area, that actually could be
trouble. It's not.
It's not a point A to point BA straight line the way that
tunnel. Was so I was.
Getting nervous about that, but I was just too curious about
what this area was. And.
I finally decided. To sort of get back in those
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crates a little bit towards the.Smaller ones.
And. Just try and lift 1 to try and
pry one open with my hands. I wasn't going to break into
them. The first thing I noticed was
that the cooler the touch, and Imean cooler than the outside of
the room temperature. Much cooler.
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They weren't. Cold, but the longer I laid my.
Hand on the morals. Like this is feels like this has
some sort of source that would keep it this cool.
What is keeping them this cool? And it didn't.
You know, if you. Put your.
Hand on something and say cold water bottle.
Eventually that water bottle Theheat is going to transfer that
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water bottle at a slow rate depending on how cold it is in
the surface. Area but you're going to?
Heat up that water bottle enoughto where it sort of gets to the
same temperature as your body. It didn't do that The.
Longer I kept my hands. On it just stayed the.
Same same temperature. Which is an odd physics chemical
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reaction. Things don't work that way,
really. Unless you can't transfer
enough. Heat, right.
So a block of ice, you're not going to heat up that block of
ice with your hand. And it was like that.
I tried to go ahead and lift oneof these smaller ones up and
just didn't budget. And when I say didn't budget, I
mean, I pushed on it. I pulled on it.
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I sort of tried to lift it from the bottom, just didn't budget.
I mean, these things weighed. I I mean literally probably
weighed a ton. And that was the smaller ones.
I I wouldn't doubt the larger ones, the ones that were some of
them as large as a dining room table, large dining room table
or so. Maybe as even as large as like a
small living room. I mean, who knows, Those things
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could have been 10 tons for all I know. 20 tons.
I was getting creeped out prettyquickly, so after I explored it
for 15 ish minutes or so, I crept my way back out of.
There and closed the door behindme.
And then walked. You know, this time, of course,
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I'm going the opposite direction, so I put my left
shoulder to the wall. My.
Left hand and just walked back. I never saw any floodlights on
the ground, which that is unusual, like the rest of, it
sort of made sense for how tunnels are built and what might
be going on, you know, transportation.
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But why wouldn't there be floodlights?
I got the sense that this place had been built quite a while
ago, but that didn't really explain why there weren't
floodlights, and I still don't have an explanation for that.
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So I get back out there and I climb back up.
I put the manhole back in place and I set up my tent.
I actually went down about 1/4 of a mile away because I didn't
want to be too close to that area.
I just wasn't sure if anybody ever came over there.
And the next day came. I, you know, did my thing.
I left and I kept thinking aboutlike, what was this place?
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Why was the security the way it is to back up a little bit?
You can't get in there. From a public area from where I
was the. Boundary.
To this large area, it was the shortest.
Boundary from where I was. Probably 30 miles to a fence and
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on the other side of that fence,which is public land, no Rd. was
there for about another 20 miles.
So you would have to to even getto the fence your day your your
camping and then once you get tothe fence, it's federal land,
There's signs, no trespassing, you know, fine of whatever it
is, $10,000 and two years in jail or something like that.
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So it's it's protected. But I did find that unusual,
like, was this manhull abandoned?
Is and the. First thing I.
Thought was that it was supposedto have been sealed after the
completion of this tunnel. But the tunnel?
Was built like. A lot of these stations was
built during the Cold War, WorldWar 2, and they just never got
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sealed that they had been. Using this for workers coming in
and. Out of that area there had been
an old road there. And.
For whatever reason, no one eversealed it up.
Well, I decided I had to go back.
So a few weeks later I I went back.
And I knew exactly. Where it was.
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And then when I got back there, there was a large fence.
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I know I was in the same area because I had matted on my GPS
and the. Fence was not a normal fence the
way you might. Just see on some of these
properties at the very back, it's just a tall fence.
This was one of those with the razor wire at the top and it was
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it encompassed probably estimate40 square.
Meters or something like that. So it wasn't just around the
manhole. In fact, I couldn't see the
manhole from the. Fence.
Razor wire. With signs, you know, federal
property, the penalties and whatnot, there was no gate to
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it, so. I immediately knew that.
That was not a coincidence. However, I don't know how they.
Saw me and if it came from. That camera, there's no
indication. Of of electricity there or you
know, some sort of closed circuit television thing maybe
there. Was a loading.
Area in which that equipment wasset up and running, but I get
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the feeling that there was some other way in which they tracked
me there. I never got a phone call about
it. In fact, when I saw that that
fence, I walked way back, I walked probably roughly, I
think, 5. Miles.
Back and in risk being in the dark sun because I just wanted
out of there. I did not want this to be a
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problem. Camped the next morning.
Went back to research station. I never.
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Got a phone call about it? No one never came and saw.
Me or anything I know emails. And either they never recognized
me. The other alternative is sheer
coincidence, which I don't believe that.
The third thing is that they they just didn't want to have to
deal with whatever was they would have to deal with by
confronting. Me and.
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Again though, I've got clearance, so I didn't really,
so I didn't break and enter or anything like that.
I wasn't really worried about itsimply because I have a ranking
that's higher than anyone else that's going to go out there.
For the most part, being inside that warehouse was not a good
idea that could have actually got.
Me in trouble and I've only had this discussion.
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Very recently with one other colleague, I kept it to myself
and he is like me, just scientists or engineers.
We're just intensely interested in this type of stuff, wants to
go and see it, but of course we can't actually go down there
now. The thing is.
Though is that that tunnel had to come out somewhere from the
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southern end. Obviously.
I've never seen anything indicating a tunnel.
A gated entrance sealed off entrance.
Nothing like that of. Course the area is huge and have
no idea how long that tunnel was.
You know, completed tunnel. I walked one way for roughly a
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half a mile. Was it another half mile The
other way? Was it 2 miles 5?
Miles, I don't know my colleagueand I want.
To go out there and see if we can just find the other end of
this tunnel so you can seal off.Is it gated?
Is there a guard? I don't know if we're going to
try and get. Back in there, that's sort of
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risky. The feeling I got in there was
that they weren't ammunition boxes.
They weren't, it wasn't artillery.
That wouldn't make any sense forthe way these boxes were
created. There was no hand, you know,
sensor there to so to open them only with a fingerprint or so
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like I didn't see anything like that, as ridiculous as the
sounds. If you remember the old.
Cartoon Transformers cartoon from the 80s.
The Autobots and the Substance were always fighting over
Energon. Which were these cubes that gave
them energy. That's what they actually look
like. Which?
Is I know it sounds. Ridiculous.
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And I'm not saying that's what they were and that would be
ridiculous, but because I have no, I have no contacts or no
nothing to compare them to, and some sort of solid silvery
substance that with no enter point, no exit point, no
handles. I just don't.
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I don't know how. Else to describe them super
heavy. And I want my car.
I want to bring in my colleague in there.
Who's you know who's going to offer a different perspective
simply because I want some sort of explanation as to what these
things are, But as of now I I can't even really guess.
And I also don't understand the security of it the.
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Only thing I. Can come up with is that manhole
was supposed to be sealed and itwouldn't surprise me at all if
you got into that fence now. That manhole.
I bet you anything it is now sealed off.
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One can't help but wonder, what is the military hiding?
What mysterious element did Johndiscover that seemed to be
forgotten in time, and why did they go to such lengths to keep
it secret? The tunnel that John discovered
is a prime example of what the military is capable of doing.
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Even though many of these tunnels are still under complete
lockdown, not all of them have been kept hidden from the
public. A secret tunnel underneath a
secret city. There have been rumors for
decades about mysterious activity in a man made cave
hundreds of feet beneath Los Alamos.
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Well, the rumors are true. There is a tunnel.
It's been whispered about for more than 60 years.
They would keep gold in there. That's all I I remember people
saying. Something secret in the Los
Alamos Canyon? I've heard about it, yes, but I
don't heard about it. I just that it exists.
There was a a rumor that there was a a train in here because
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when you were up on top you could hear sort of strange
noises. The stories of what was buried
in the Canyon were endless, and unless you worked at the
national lab, it's remained one of the best kept secrets in New
Mexico since the 1940s. The public has not been in this
fault. There's been no media in this
vault until now. Our cameras were given the very
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first look inside the carved outCanyon rock.
We are going in about 230 feet. Some call it the invisible
tunnel. Very few people knew it actually
existed, even though it sits in the heart of the city.
Today, a popular city landmark marks the spot.
We're pretty much underneath theMcDonald's parking lot, right in
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the center of Los Alamos, hundreds of feet below ground.
The tunnel was built just as a Cold War began.
The year was 1948. The atomic bomb is very
dangerous since it may be used against us we must get ready
for. It a history lesson today, but
in the late 40s and 50s at the height of the Cold War, the
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threat of a nuclear strike was very much a reality.
The entire town of Los Alamos was off limits back then.
Visitors needed a government pass to enter and exit, and a
lot of the 1950s buildings here in Los Alamos were designed with
fallout shelters. The tunnel was built to serve as
a safe haven in case of nuclear war.
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But in the meantime, lab scientists work down here in
secrecy studying and developing new weapons like the hydrogen
bomb. And this underground tunnel was
the first place in the country to store the parts for those
weapons in the early, earliest years of the Cold War.
They didn't have a facility for that.
So this vault was built specifically for those pits.
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Los Alamos Canyon provided the perfect hiding place because of
the of the the cliffs that we have here.
The volcanic tough and and set up with the Canyon walls,
plutonium pits and other weaponsparts were flown into
Albuquerque's Kirtland Air Forcespace then transported to Los
Alamos and driven straight into the tunnel.
It's evolved and evolved. The materials were stored in
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these 5 vaulted rooms. The federal government only
recently declassified the tunnelbecause some of the old weapons
parts remained in the vault as recently as last fall.
Lab experts use them as teachingtools in the post Cold War era,
but Lanell historian Ellen McGeesays the weapons parts kept here
were so secret they are still considered classified
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information today. No one could come down the
Canyon, so this was a top secretand very heavily guarded
facility gone, and all that remains is an empty shell.
But historians say the tunnel vault is still valuable for
future generations. This tunnel in Los Alamos is
roughly 5 hours north of White Sands Missile Range, but the
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tunnel itself proves that this type of tunneling system is not
impossible to keep hidden from the public, even for 60 years.
In this case, plutonium, metal, and nuclear technology were the
main secrets they were hiding. Now, I'm not a scientist,
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clearly, and I'm not saying thatplutonium is the mysterious
metal that John found. But the fact remains that the
military is clearly capable of successfully hiding large
tunnels as well as keeping whatever may be kept in them
completely secret. After looking into this topic
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more and more, one name kept popping up, a man by the name of
Phil Schneider. Phil claimed to be AUS
government geologist and engineer who was involved in the
construction of multiple deep underground military bases.
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Some believe that Phil's testimony was full of wild
conspiracies and fabrications, lacking facts and verifiable
information. And honestly, I also can't help
but question some of his theories regarding underground
aliens, civilizations, and the injuries he received from an
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underground firefight in Dulce, NM.
But regardless of that, Phil's insight on secretive military
tunnels is enough to make you question what is actually
happening beneath us. Right now there are 131 active
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deep underground military bases in the United States.
There's 14177 of them worldwide.Each one has an average cost of
17 to $19 billion. Each one is built in the site.
Oh, it used to be it'd take a year to two years to build each
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one. And now they're capable of
building a couple of them a yearwith sophisticated methods.
My colleague Al Balick has actually been on some of the
high speed railways, the MagnetoLeviton trains that connect all
the deep underground military bases within the United States.
He's been on a Mach 2 train and floats off of floats off of a
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single rail at a 3/4 of an inch off the rail and is what you'd
call high tech. We have nothing like this on the
service. Groom Lake is where the infamous
Area 51, S 4, S 2, the CIA base.It was originally a bombing
range, a nuclear test site. It was later become the most
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secret base in the United States.
It employs over 18,000 workers who work in shifts of 12 hours
at a whack, most of them workingto cover a darkness like us.
We built out nine underground military bases there, each with
an average capacity capable. It was basically a city
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underground, roughly 4 1/4 cubicmiles hollowed out underground.
Now boring machines, for instance, they don't bore.
They literally vitrify and melt the rock, deflagrate the rock.
It's a very sophisticated laser melting and deflagrating system.
It reduces the rock to a powder and then melts the the remaining
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rock as a coating on the inside of the base so you don't have to
use gunite cements and other kinds of things like that.
That's all. All old hat.
Now technology is just basicallythe new technology we get is the
old hat of the military. I want to be real brief about
it. I carried a level one security
clearance, the rhyolite 38 factor.
There are very few of us. There's nobody except myself to
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my knowledge, talking like this.Nobody.
I'm breaking the law. I'm breaking the world as well
as federal law coming out and even talking about this to a
group of people. I love my country more than I
love my life. Area 51 is only one base, one of
the 131 bases. Of these 131 bases I call Area
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51 a mega base. It's got more than one base in
it. It's a tonopod test range.
Area 51, S 2, S Four, Groom Lakeand a host of others.
These mega bases are gobbling upour gross national product.
Right now, we're spending 28% ofthe gross national product on
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building underground bases. Solely.
That doesn't count for the defense budget.
That doesn't count for the spareparts budget.
Didn't count for any of that at all.
And the black budget is dead. Dead wrong.
It sidesteps the United States Congress and its constitution,
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of its people and says you're a bunch of morons you don't need
to know. You know, I believe in military
preparedness. I believe in military secrecy to
some extent. The overview is about
underground mountain bases. All of them should be made
public. In future talks, I'll be giving
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latitudes and longitudes of every single one of these bases.
I've already written a manuscript at the publisher as
we speak. Phil not only claimed to be
involved in these projects, but he also claimed that the
government had attempted to assassinate him multiple times
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for releasing this information. The lecture you just heard was
recorded at the Preparedness Expo in September of 1995.
Phil Schneider was found dead four months later, in January of
1990. Six the.
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Story he told may not seem plausible to everyone, but his
death was highly suspicious. His cause of death was at first
marked as unknown. Even though he had a medical
tube tied around his neck, therewas no suicide note and he was
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found in an odd position on the floor.
It wasn't by hanging or anythingthat would keep the pressure on
his throat. Also, the police claimed that
they didn't find anything wrapped around his neck, but
photos taken at the morgue clearly show a medical tube tied
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around his neck. The examiner took blood and
urine samples but refused to test them, saying it would be a
waste of time. Family protested and told him to
do it anyway. Reluctantly, the two samples
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were sent in to an independent lab, and when the family asked
for the results of the samples to see if he was drugged, no
results could be found and the samples had mysteriously gone
missing. All of his research notes,
pictures, recordings, and lectures suddenly went missing
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from his house, and then an obituary was posted in the local
paper about Phil's death, claiming he died of natural
causes. Nobody and his immediate family
wrote that obituary or gave permission to print it.
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Phil's story, whether fact or fiction, is a large rabbit hole
that you're welcome to dive into.
But it shouldn't take away from the fact that we know what our
military and governments are capable of.
The underground tunnel that Johndiscovered at White Sands
Missile Range, with its mysterious metal like substance,
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is just another example of a real tunnel that our government
doesn't want us to know about. The things we fear are typically
above the surface, while the world beneath our feet is almost
completely unknown. It begs the question, what's
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This is a tunnel about the size of A2 lane.
Highway well, I I had to go and at the end of the tunnel.
Were these two giant metal? Doors.
I stepped. In and merely knew I.
Was in a cavern. It's just a giant area from HV
Studio. This is unnerved.
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Welcome back to the Unnerved podcast.
It's where normal people share their abnormal stories, and if
you enjoy true stories of the strange and terrifying, then
you're in the right place. I'm your host, Chris Fricke.
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Have you ever had the chance to watch the back rooms on YouTube?
It's a series of realistic mazes, sometimes underground,
that are discovered by unfortunate people.
The mazes themselves are endlessspaces of empty rooms where the
visitor is alone and afraid, searching or an exit.
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But there's always something evil lurking and following this
individual in the shadows. These videos, of course, are
fictional, but what if a similarmaze actually existed in our
current reality underground? In today's story, John shares a
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discovery he found while campingin New Mexico that was meant to
be left undisturbed. The secret that he found was not
just an entry point to an underground world, but a
mysterious element frozen in time.
This is his story. My name is John.
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I am. A contracted researcher for the.
Military out here in New Mexico.My specialty is machine
learning. Deep general AI theory and
practice. Me and my colleagues, we
basically run a team out in new.Mexico that takes the practice,
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the theory of machine. Learning and.
Puts it into the. Field, So we might take for
instance. Robotics WE work with Robotics
team. We dump the software the the
instructions into. The physical, The physical.
Entity, the robot and the. Machine.
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Learns based upon our perimeters.
That's the sort of research thatwe do.
We have clearance. Again, I don't.
I'm not a military. Person I just have clearance.
To be on this base. And.
The area that I. Work in is called White Sands
Missile. Range.
But it's not. It's not the missile range.
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Let me explain that real fast White Sands Missile Range.
Is a vast area. It's so large that if you take
the area of Delaware and. Rhode Island.
It's actually a little bit larger than that than those
combined. It has the missile range and
this is most. Famously known for testing
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Trinity, which is the atomic bomb.
The first atomic bomb in like the northern area of the range.
And it's still used for. Testing.
But the area is so large it. Actually encompasses not only
different. Research areas, but it also has.
A military? A large Army base right in
there, and within it, White Sands National.
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Park. And the San Andreas National.
Wildlife, Wildlife, Refuge, and these.
These areas are not remotely. Close to the.
Testing site? You can't.
Somehow wander in from the from White Sands, the National Park.
Into the testing site, That's impossible.
It's impossible a because of thedistance and B because highly
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guarded, highly fenced. You're just not.
Going to be able to do it. My research area.
Is not anywhere near. The testing site the.
Land out there is dotted. By several different research
areas. So my area is gated, I can go in
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there. There's a few buildings, one
story buildings. It's not like a campus or
anything like that. There are campuses.
Of research, but you see that mostly in Los Alamos this area
is just sporadic. Few scientists coming in and
out, some military personnel. If they're.
Looking at our designs or something like.
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That and then. We're out there by ourselves and
we're quite a bit of ways. From any city or any.
Town Las Cruces is. 50 or something miles from my actual
research area. And that's a Southern.
Area of New Mexico. Well, we get bored out there.
There's not a lot going on. And we're at the base we're at,
we're out there all the time, almost 24. 7.
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And if you know anything about. Southern New Mexico.
It's one of the best stargazing areas for Continental.
United States, in fact, it's also for noise pollution.
One of the. Quietest areas in the
continental US, so in. White Sands Brings the National
Park Brings Out a. Ton of sky gazers and, you know,
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lovers of nature, Wildlife, Refuge and whatnot.
And I. Love that too.
And so me and some of the colleagues, sometimes, if we're
working the weekends, have some time on our hands.
We'll go hiking back there. I take walks all the time in.
The forested area next to my. Research stations.
I'm not on the sands. The topography of the area is
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it's really different. It's not just sands or dunes,
it's also southern. Mountainous.
Terrain, pine trees and whatnot,so I take quite a few.
Walks out there during my days and then on the weekends
sometimes we take. Long backpacking trips.
And be gone all. Weekend camp out there, there's
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no issues there. Federal land and we've got our
clearance. I map my trails because there's
no trail like you'd see in a National Park or National
Forest. It's just wilderness.
It's not cleared by a Ranger or.Anything like that?
And I map it with GPS. And so I know where I am and I'm
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not. I'm comfortable with where I am,
enough to where I'm not. Too worried about getting lost.
I'm actually more worried about mountain lions, because there's
bear by bear. Mountain Lion.
One day I was. Out there, walking up.
Planned on being out there all weekend.
I was going to stargaze and justset up my tent and get away from
life. Then I was roughly. 15 miles
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actually, I know exactly how farI was, It was about 14.2 miles.
Back in the Backcountry and you know you have to.
Bushwhack back there. You know, machete and grass can
get real high, so you're sort ofmaking your own trail maybe.
Following an animal trail and I'd gone into the.
Forest get some shade. I was a little bit.
Deeper in there and there are a few widow makers, which are
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trees that are. Dead that call widow makers,
because if you're not paying attention in one of those falls,
it's going to kill you pretty easily so.
I'm down back there and I there's a downed branch, a
downed tree actually in my path.And this is the way I want to go
because it slopes up to my rightand I don't want to go into the
ridges area. That's dangerous.
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It slopes to my left. It becomes more of a plains
area, so sort of. On the on the.
Edge there of the forest and I dipped under this tree.
It was being sort of propped up by a live tree.
And as I'm doing that, I'm watching my footing.
And I look at the ground. And right underneath that.
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Is a manhole and it's covered with some dirt and whatnot, but
this? This there.
Wasn't it wasn't overgrown? Underneath these trees, the
canopy wasn't allowing for high grass in that area, it's more
like almost muddy. And I was immediately perplexed.
By this I. Got out from my other.
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Canopy a little bit. And started looking at the
ground more thoroughly to see ifI could.
Find a Rd. The Jeep trail, because it made
no sense that this manhole was that far out without there being
some sort of Rd. Was this area overgrown?
How old my mind immediately. Started going, started kicking
like. Why is this out here?
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Is there sewage? Below me, but where would?
The sewage be coming from and. Why would it be flowing through
here? None of it made sense, but.
Again, I just sort of. Was like, OK, maybe there's
sewage down here. And I looked at the manhole.
And if you ever seen manholes? Looked up close.
They have like a fell, a keyholeand a special key has to go in
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there to pry them open. Then they're heavy.
You're crazy heavy. Some of them are 150 lbs or
something like that. Well, this one.
Looked like it was open. Like I could actually pull it
open, and sure enough I could. And the way I knew that was that
I just sort of jiggled it and got my hand into the hole.
And I was like, oh, this thing got open.
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It's heavy, but it's got locked.And I had my hiking.
Poles and those hiking poles aresturdy and I was just too
curious. Why is this out here?
So I pry it up, but I bent my hiking pole in order to get it
open. I finally got it open.
And pulled it up and I had at this.
Time I was getting. Close to leaving the camp
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because I've been out there for a long time.
It takes a long time to walk that and.
I had my head lamp out so it. Wouldn't get dark on me without
me having some sort of a light source.
And when I looked down and therewas a.
Ladder, which you would expect asmall tunnel to go down couldn't
see was at the end of the ladderor how deep it was.
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Well, I I had to go. I just.
I was just too curious. I was like what?
What is this? So I went down and the ladder
went about. It was a long ladder.
It was longer than I. Thought it was probably.
Oh, twenty. Maybe even 30.
Feet and as I. Descended.
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I couldn't see anything. So immediately it was kind of.
Gripping that ladder pretty hardas my curiosity got the best of
me, and also as my anxiety rose a little bit, I got down to the
bottom of this thing. And I immediately knew.
It was a tunnel. Shine my light.
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To the left, to the right, Northand South.
I knew I was. I knew which way was north,
because at the top of the ladderI'd I knew I was facing north.
So I knew which way was north. And my light even.
On the high beam it just, you know it goes some roughly twin
in pitch blackness you got. Maybe.
Probably 20 feet, 15 feet in. Front of you of of light.
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And on. You know where the ladder was?
That was a wall. Smooth concrete but real smooth.
Underneath me concrete, real smooth.
And then on the other side, I could barely.
Make up the other wall and it was roughly the size the tunnel
about the size of A2 lane highway high.
Ceilings and a rounded. It didn't have a smell outside
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of it, just. Slightly industrial, but I
didn't smell any sort of. Exhaust.
I didn't smell any, any. Fumes or oils or anything like
that. And so I decided to.
Walk. I'm going to walk north and
just. See what this is?
It's pitch black. I'm walking parallel to the
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right wall with my hand. My right?
Hand on the wall. And the whole time I'm walking,
I'm going very slow. I'm.
Feeling for any other ladders oranything that it might give me
a. Sense of space.
And I'm also in my. Head thinking What did I stumble
upon? This is a.
Tunnel clearly meant for transportation.
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Vehicle transportation is not sewer clean.
My mind is going under base bunkers, research station.
I don't know pitch. Black and if you've.
Ever been in tunnels? The first thing I started
thinking. Was the houses ventilated and?
That's sort of an unusual. Thing to not smell exhaust
unless trucks just don't go through there well.
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Tunnels are ventilated in different.
Ways, but a shorter tunnel. Basically it's almost like a
vacuum. It's.
Pushed pressure is pushed in from one end, southern end.
Gets pulled through by the trucks, aerodynamics pulls it in
and then at the other end it's pushed up.
With. Fans up and ventilated outside.
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They don't all have that sort ofventilation, but I was.
Thinking about ventilation, I was going.
Through there because I. Didn't smell anything.
Carbon dioxide doesn't have a. Smell, you know.
Should be worried about that, but.
Other than sort of working. Out the logistics of it, the
physics of it. I wasn't too worried about that.
So I kept going and I walked for2025 minutes.
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I know. That.
By the way, my cell phone was completely out of Commission.
There was no bars. There was no GPS.
It was once I. Descend on that ladder only.
Even just a few feet, it all cutout.
So I knew how long I had walked only by the time I.
Spent in there and. Because of my.
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Pace. I estimate that I walked roughly
1000 meters, which is about halfa mile in One Direction.
And. After. 25 minutes or so.
Getting a little bit. Paranoid.
Is a truck going to come, I get run over or personnel going to
come in? There I.
Was already justifying it by. Telling them immediately I've
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got. Clearance and I'm on my own
property. Here I'm just checking this
place out. There's no reason to lie about
any of that. And then I came to the end of
the. Tunnel and at the end of the
tunnel were these two giant metal doors.
They looked like barn doors, except they.
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Were metal and not. Wood.
And they had that same. Sort of bolt action lock, except
they didn't have a padlocker. Or anything else on these.
Doors. What is this place?
Some sort of loading station. What are they?
What's behind these? Doors and why isn't there
security I. Had not seen any evidence.
Of security the whole time, eventhough my light didn't shine the
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the tunnel very well, so I looked all around the doors.
And there was one. Camera.
It was on top. These stations have tons.
Of cameras, the research stations, they all generally
look the same. Newer cameras that can be.
Very small? You can't.
See them to anything. That's like a.
A door camera might. Be sort of white and small,
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oblong shape or whatnot. This was like a bulky It had a
bulky case and looked like something you'd see in the 80s,
maybe the 90s. Like closed circuit television
camera. There's no blinking light.
And. Started thinking I was like,
there's no power down here, obviously and.
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I wonder if I can open. This door, I see no padlock that
that. Camera's not on and.
I just decided I was going to open it.
Foolish, yes. But again, if you do any urban
exploration. I love that urban exploration.
You just curiosity killed the cat here.
So I. Unbolt, I bolted.
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Unbolted the. Lock and it worked.
There was no other mechanism. And I started prying.
Open the doors. They were creaky, but they and
they were heavy and very heavy. But they.
You know, swung easily out. There's a.
Bolt on the bottom. Of the doors so you can like you
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know bolt the doors into the ground and sure enough at the as
the door swung open to like a. 90° angle.
To the to the wall, there's the hole in order to bolt it
through. And so I just swung one open and
bolted it and peeked inside, andI stepped in.
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And immediately knew I was in a.Cavern.
It's just a giant area. It felt large and spacious.
Couldn't. See anything in there?
And I stepped. In a few steps looking.
Behind me and. Making sure there's just no.
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Trucks. Coming or whatnot and in front
of me. I could barely make out this,
these designs, these edges of something in there, and there's
to the left and to the right of me sort of a a path in the
middle, large path that's a 20 feet wide.
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Couldn't I didn't see any forklifts or any other?
Equipment you'd see in a warehouse, but I imagine they
were there. I just didn't see the loading
area or whatnot, so I step in there.
And. I come up on these boxes of
crates. I don't.
Even know what to call. Them on my right to check out
the ones on my right first. And.
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They're stacked up. Like you'd see in a.
Warehouse, but it's very orderly.
A lot of warehouses aren't orderly at all.
You know they had leaning towersof crates.
This was the opposite. These are very well stacked and
some some of them were I would say 8 feet.
High, but only in maybe. Three of these crates, the
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crates were the size, the largest ones were the size of
like a dinner table, a dining. Table.
So maybe 3 feet high, you know, 8 feet.
Wide or long, 3 feet wide, something like that.
And there would be maybe one or two stacked.
Together. And then?
At the other end of them. You might have a couple.
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That were a few that were the size of like a large briefcase
gets stacked up but orderly thatspace between.
Them, obviously if the forklift.Needs to get.
In there they can. Get in, pull them out the.
First unusual thing I noticed. About it was that my light
reflected really well off of them.
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If you've ever seen Silver, it'sa weird property.
Your light will. Reflect all silver, but it also
absorbs it and so you get this weird and especially in liquid
silver, you get this sort of weird dark silver where the
light doesn't penetrate or doesn't doesn't reflect back at
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you in every. Area it just sort of.
It's just hard to describe what this is like, But that's exactly
what these crates look like. They didn't shine back the way
it would. Shine on metal or tin or
something like that. It shined almost in the liquidy
form, but it was a clear had clear dimensions.
It was a clear solid. I just I needed to know what
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these things were but what I couldn't see on them and I had
to look at the smaller ones for this.
Ones are roughly the size of suitcases stacked up and I could
see the top of one because the stacks weren't too high.
I was looking for any sort of latch angles.
There was nothing. There wasn't.
Even a a lid. It just was a a box, a crate.
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It seemed to have no opening. I had no idea what they were.
And. I walked a little bit.
Down this path. And I never when I say.
I walk, I'm talking and like, kept my sort.
Of my. My myself to the right side like
I did in the tunnel, feel and see these boxes and I probably
walked for 5 minutes in One Direction hadn't.
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I could never saw the. End of this thing.
And was. More paranoid at this moment.
Than I ever was in the tunnel because the.
Door from where? I had entered.
It disappeared almost immediately once I turned my
light away from it. So, you know, 10 feet into
there, I couldn't see the doors because there's no light coming
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from the tunnels. So I was really paranoid.
That I once I get lost in this area, that actually could be
trouble. It's not.
It's not a point A to point BA straight line the way that
tunnel. Was so I was.
Getting nervous about that, but I was just too curious about
what this area was. And.
I finally decided. To sort of get back in those
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crates a little bit towards the.Smaller ones.
And. Just try and lift 1 to try and
pry one open with my hands. I wasn't going to break into
them. The first thing I noticed was
that the cooler the touch, and Imean cooler than the outside of
the room temperature. Much cooler.
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They weren't. Cold, but the longer I laid my.
Hand on the morals. Like this is feels like this has
some sort of source that would keep it this cool.
What is keeping them this cool? And it didn't.
You know, if you. Put your.
Hand on something and say cold water bottle.
Eventually that water bottle Theheat is going to transfer that
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water bottle at a slow rate depending on how cold it is in
the surface. Area but you're going to?
Heat up that water bottle enoughto where it sort of gets to the
same temperature as your body. It didn't do that The.
Longer I kept my hands. On it just stayed the.
Same same temperature. Which is an odd physics chemical
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reaction. Things don't work that way,
really. Unless you can't transfer
enough. Heat, right.
So a block of ice, you're not going to heat up that block of
ice with your hand. And it was like that.
I tried to go ahead and lift oneof these smaller ones up and
just didn't budget. And when I say didn't budget, I
mean, I pushed on it. I pulled on it.
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I sort of tried to lift it from the bottom, just didn't budget.
I mean, these things weighed. I I mean literally probably
weighed a ton. And that was the smaller ones.
I I wouldn't doubt the larger ones, the ones that were some of
them as large as a dining room table, large dining room table
or so. Maybe as even as large as like a
small living room. I mean, who knows, Those things
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could have been 10 tons for all I know. 20 tons.
I was getting creeped out prettyquickly, so after I explored it
for 15 ish minutes or so, I crept my way back out of.
There and closed the door behindme.
And then walked. You know, this time, of course,
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I'm going the opposite direction, so I put my left
shoulder to the wall. My.
Left hand and just walked back. I never saw any floodlights on
the ground, which that is unusual, like the rest of, it
sort of made sense for how tunnels are built and what might
be going on, you know, transportation.
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But why wouldn't there be floodlights?
I got the sense that this place had been built quite a while
ago, but that didn't really explain why there weren't
floodlights, and I still don't have an explanation for that.
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So I get back out there and I climb back up.
I put the manhole back in place and I set up my tent.
I actually went down about 1/4 of a mile away because I didn't
want to be too close to that area.
I just wasn't sure if anybody ever came over there.
And the next day came. I, you know, did my thing.
I left and I kept thinking aboutlike, what was this place?
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Why was the security the way it is to back up a little bit?
You can't get in there. From a public area from where I
was the. Boundary.
To this large area, it was the shortest.
Boundary from where I was. Probably 30 miles to a fence and
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on the other side of that fence,which is public land, no Rd. was
there for about another 20 miles.
So you would have to to even getto the fence your day your your
camping and then once you get tothe fence, it's federal land,
There's signs, no trespassing, you know, fine of whatever it
is, $10,000 and two years in jail or something like that.
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So it's it's protected. But I did find that unusual,
like, was this manhull abandoned?
Is and the. First thing I.
Thought was that it was supposedto have been sealed after the
completion of this tunnel. But the tunnel?
Was built like. A lot of these stations was
built during the Cold War, WorldWar 2, and they just never got
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sealed that they had been. Using this for workers coming in
and. Out of that area there had been
an old road there. And.
For whatever reason, no one eversealed it up.
Well, I decided I had to go back.
So a few weeks later I I went back.
And I knew exactly. Where it was.
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And then when I got back there, there was a large fence.
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I know I was in the same area because I had matted on my GPS
and the. Fence was not a normal fence the
way you might. Just see on some of these
properties at the very back, it's just a tall fence.
This was one of those with the razor wire at the top and it was
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it encompassed probably estimate40 square.
Meters or something like that. So it wasn't just around the
manhole. In fact, I couldn't see the
manhole from the. Fence.
Razor wire. With signs, you know, federal
property, the penalties and whatnot, there was no gate to
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it, so. I immediately knew that.
That was not a coincidence. However, I don't know how they.
Saw me and if it came from. That camera, there's no
indication. Of of electricity there or you
know, some sort of closed circuit television thing maybe
there. Was a loading.
Area in which that equipment wasset up and running, but I get
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the feeling that there was some other way in which they tracked
me there. I never got a phone call about
it. In fact, when I saw that that
fence, I walked way back, I walked probably roughly, I
think, 5. Miles.
Back and in risk being in the dark sun because I just wanted
out of there. I did not want this to be a
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problem. Camped the next morning.
Went back to research station. I never.
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Got a phone call about it? No one never came and saw.
Me or anything I know emails. And either they never recognized
me. The other alternative is sheer
coincidence, which I don't believe that.
The third thing is that they they just didn't want to have to
deal with whatever was they would have to deal with by
confronting. Me and.
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Again though, I've got clearance, so I didn't really,
so I didn't break and enter or anything like that.
I wasn't really worried about itsimply because I have a ranking
that's higher than anyone else that's going to go out there.
For the most part, being inside that warehouse was not a good
idea that could have actually got.
Me in trouble and I've only had this discussion.
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Very recently with one other colleague, I kept it to myself
and he is like me, just scientists or engineers.
We're just intensely interested in this type of stuff, wants to
go and see it, but of course we can't actually go down there
now. The thing is.
Though is that that tunnel had to come out somewhere from the
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southern end. Obviously.
I've never seen anything indicating a tunnel.
A gated entrance sealed off entrance.
Nothing like that of. Course the area is huge and have
no idea how long that tunnel was.
You know, completed tunnel. I walked one way for roughly a
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half a mile. Was it another half mile The
other way? Was it 2 miles 5?
Miles, I don't know my colleagueand I want.
To go out there and see if we can just find the other end of
this tunnel so you can seal off.Is it gated?
Is there a guard? I don't know if we're going to
try and get. Back in there, that's sort of
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risky. The feeling I got in there was
that they weren't ammunition boxes.
They weren't, it wasn't artillery.
That wouldn't make any sense forthe way these boxes were
created. There was no hand, you know,
sensor there to so to open them only with a fingerprint or so
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like I didn't see anything like that, as ridiculous as the
sounds. If you remember the old.
Cartoon Transformers cartoon from the 80s.
The Autobots and the Substance were always fighting over
Energon. Which were these cubes that gave
them energy. That's what they actually look
like. Which?
Is I know it sounds. Ridiculous.
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And I'm not saying that's what they were and that would be
ridiculous, but because I have no, I have no contacts or no
nothing to compare them to, and some sort of solid silvery
substance that with no enter point, no exit point, no
handles. I just don't.
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I don't know how. Else to describe them super
heavy. And I want my car.
I want to bring in my colleague in there.
Who's you know who's going to offer a different perspective
simply because I want some sort of explanation as to what these
things are, But as of now I I can't even really guess.
And I also don't understand the security of it the.
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Only thing I. Can come up with is that manhole
was supposed to be sealed and itwouldn't surprise me at all if
you got into that fence now. That manhole.
I bet you anything it is now sealed off.
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One can't help but wonder, what is the military hiding?
What mysterious element did Johndiscover that seemed to be
forgotten in time, and why did they go to such lengths to keep
it secret? The tunnel that John discovered
is a prime example of what the military is capable of doing.
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Even though many of these tunnels are still under complete
lockdown, not all of them have been kept hidden from the
public. A secret tunnel underneath a
secret city. There have been rumors for
decades about mysterious activity in a man made cave
hundreds of feet beneath Los Alamos.
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Well, the rumors are true. There is a tunnel.
It's been whispered about for more than 60 years.
They would keep gold in there. That's all I I remember people
saying. Something secret in the Los
Alamos Canyon? I've heard about it, yes, but I
don't heard about it. I just that it exists.
There was a a rumor that there was a a train in here because
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when you were up on top you could hear sort of strange
noises. The stories of what was buried
in the Canyon were endless, and unless you worked at the
national lab, it's remained one of the best kept secrets in New
Mexico since the 1940s. The public has not been in this
fault. There's been no media in this
vault until now. Our cameras were given the very
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first look inside the carved outCanyon rock.
We are going in about 230 feet. Some call it the invisible
tunnel. Very few people knew it actually
existed, even though it sits in the heart of the city.
Today, a popular city landmark marks the spot.
We're pretty much underneath theMcDonald's parking lot, right in
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the center of Los Alamos, hundreds of feet below ground.
The tunnel was built just as a Cold War began.
The year was 1948. The atomic bomb is very
dangerous since it may be used against us we must get ready
for. It a history lesson today, but
in the late 40s and 50s at the height of the Cold War, the
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threat of a nuclear strike was very much a reality.
The entire town of Los Alamos was off limits back then.
Visitors needed a government pass to enter and exit, and a
lot of the 1950s buildings here in Los Alamos were designed with
fallout shelters. The tunnel was built to serve as
a safe haven in case of nuclear war.
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But in the meantime, lab scientists work down here in
secrecy studying and developing new weapons like the hydrogen
bomb. And this underground tunnel was
the first place in the country to store the parts for those
weapons in the early, earliest years of the Cold War.
They didn't have a facility for that.
So this vault was built specifically for those pits.
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Los Alamos Canyon provided the perfect hiding place because of
the of the the cliffs that we have here.
The volcanic tough and and set up with the Canyon walls,
plutonium pits and other weaponsparts were flown into
Albuquerque's Kirtland Air Forcespace then transported to Los
Alamos and driven straight into the tunnel.
It's evolved and evolved. The materials were stored in
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these 5 vaulted rooms. The federal government only
recently declassified the tunnelbecause some of the old weapons
parts remained in the vault as recently as last fall.
Lab experts use them as teachingtools in the post Cold War era,
but Lanell historian Ellen McGeesays the weapons parts kept here
were so secret they are still considered classified
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information today. No one could come down the
Canyon, so this was a top secretand very heavily guarded
facility gone, and all that remains is an empty shell.
But historians say the tunnel vault is still valuable for
future generations. This tunnel in Los Alamos is
roughly 5 hours north of White Sands Missile Range, but the
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tunnel itself proves that this type of tunneling system is not
impossible to keep hidden from the public, even for 60 years.
In this case, plutonium, metal, and nuclear technology were the
main secrets they were hiding. Now, I'm not a scientist,
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clearly, and I'm not saying thatplutonium is the mysterious
metal that John found. But the fact remains that the
military is clearly capable of successfully hiding large
tunnels as well as keeping whatever may be kept in them
completely secret. After looking into this topic
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more and more, one name kept popping up, a man by the name of
Phil Schneider. Phil claimed to be AUS
government geologist and engineer who was involved in the
construction of multiple deep underground military bases.
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Some believe that Phil's testimony was full of wild
conspiracies and fabrications, lacking facts and verifiable
information. And honestly, I also can't help
but question some of his theories regarding underground
aliens, civilizations, and the injuries he received from an
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underground firefight in Dulce, NM.
But regardless of that, Phil's insight on secretive military
tunnels is enough to make you question what is actually
happening beneath us. Right now there are 131 active
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deep underground military bases in the United States.
There's 14177 of them worldwide.Each one has an average cost of
17 to $19 billion. Each one is built in the site.
Oh, it used to be it'd take a year to two years to build each
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one. And now they're capable of
building a couple of them a yearwith sophisticated methods.
My colleague Al Balick has actually been on some of the
high speed railways, the MagnetoLeviton trains that connect all
the deep underground military bases within the United States.
He's been on a Mach 2 train and floats off of floats off of a
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single rail at a 3/4 of an inch off the rail and is what you'd
call high tech. We have nothing like this on the
service. Groom Lake is where the infamous
Area 51, S 4, S 2, the CIA base.It was originally a bombing
range, a nuclear test site. It was later become the most
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secret base in the United States.
It employs over 18,000 workers who work in shifts of 12 hours
at a whack, most of them workingto cover a darkness like us.
We built out nine underground military bases there, each with
an average capacity capable. It was basically a city
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underground, roughly 4 1/4 cubicmiles hollowed out underground.
Now boring machines, for instance, they don't bore.
They literally vitrify and melt the rock, deflagrate the rock.
It's a very sophisticated laser melting and deflagrating system.
It reduces the rock to a powder and then melts the the remaining
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rock as a coating on the inside of the base so you don't have to
use gunite cements and other kinds of things like that.
That's all. All old hat.
Now technology is just basicallythe new technology we get is the
old hat of the military. I want to be real brief about
it. I carried a level one security
clearance, the rhyolite 38 factor.
There are very few of us. There's nobody except myself to
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my knowledge, talking like this.Nobody.
I'm breaking the law. I'm breaking the world as well
as federal law coming out and even talking about this to a
group of people. I love my country more than I
love my life. Area 51 is only one base, one of
the 131 bases. Of these 131 bases I call Area
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51 a mega base. It's got more than one base in
it. It's a tonopod test range.
Area 51, S 2, S Four, Groom Lakeand a host of others.
These mega bases are gobbling upour gross national product.
Right now, we're spending 28% ofthe gross national product on
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building underground bases. Solely.
That doesn't count for the defense budget.
That doesn't count for the spareparts budget.
Didn't count for any of that at all.
And the black budget is dead. Dead wrong.
It sidesteps the United States Congress and its constitution,
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of its people and says you're a bunch of morons you don't need
to know. You know, I believe in military
preparedness. I believe in military secrecy to
some extent. The overview is about
underground mountain bases. All of them should be made
public. In future talks, I'll be giving
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latitudes and longitudes of every single one of these bases.
I've already written a manuscript at the publisher as
we speak. Phil not only claimed to be
involved in these projects, but he also claimed that the
government had attempted to assassinate him multiple times
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for releasing this information. The lecture you just heard was
recorded at the Preparedness Expo in September of 1995.
Phil Schneider was found dead four months later, in January of
1990. Six the.
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Story he told may not seem plausible to everyone, but his
death was highly suspicious. His cause of death was at first
marked as unknown. Even though he had a medical
tube tied around his neck, therewas no suicide note and he was
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found in an odd position on the floor.
It wasn't by hanging or anythingthat would keep the pressure on
his throat. Also, the police claimed that
they didn't find anything wrapped around his neck, but
photos taken at the morgue clearly show a medical tube tied
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around his neck. The examiner took blood and
urine samples but refused to test them, saying it would be a
waste of time. Family protested and told him to
do it anyway. Reluctantly, the two samples
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were sent in to an independent lab, and when the family asked
for the results of the samples to see if he was drugged, no
results could be found and the samples had mysteriously gone
missing. All of his research notes,
pictures, recordings, and lectures suddenly went missing
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from his house, and then an obituary was posted in the local
paper about Phil's death, claiming he died of natural
causes. Nobody and his immediate family
wrote that obituary or gave permission to print it.
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Phil's story, whether fact or fiction, is a large rabbit hole
that you're welcome to dive into.
But it shouldn't take away from the fact that we know what our
military and governments are capable of.
The underground tunnel that Johndiscovered at White Sands
Missile Range, with its mysterious metal like substance,
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is just another example of a real tunnel that our government
doesn't want us to know about. The things we fear are typically
above the surface, while the world beneath our feet is almost
completely unknown. It begs the question, what's
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truly beneath us? Thanks again for listening to
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