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VO (00:02):
Welcome to Unpacking Peanuts, the podcast where three cartoonists take an in-depth look at the greatest comic strip of all time, Peanuts by Charles M.
Schulz.
Jimmy (00:19):
Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show.
This is Unpacking Peanuts, where we are in unprecedented territory.
This is part four of 1994, and I'll be your host for the proceedings.
My name is Jimmy Gownley.
I'm also a cartoonist.
I did things like Amelia Rules, Seven Good Reasons Not To Grow Up, and The Dumbest Idea Ever.
And you can read all my new comics right now for free at gvillecomics.substack.com.
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Joining me as always are my pals, co-hosts, and fellow cartoonists.
He's a playwright and a composer, both for the band, Complicated People, as well as for this very podcast.
He's the co-creator of the original Comic Book Price Guide, the original editor for Amelia Rules, and the creator of such great strips as Strange Attractors, A Gathering Spells, and Kangled River.
It's Michael Cohen.
Michael (01:02):
Say hey.
Jimmy (01:03):
And he's the executive producer and writer of Mystery Science Theatre 3000, a former vice president of Archie Comics and the creator of the Instagram sensation, Sweetest Beasts.
It's Harold Buchholz.
Harold (01:14):
Hello.
Jimmy (01:15):
And making sure everything runs smoothly, it's our producer, Liz Sumner.
Liz (01:19):
Greetings.
Jimmy (01:20):
Well, guys, 1994, part four.
They said it couldn't be done, but we did it anyway.
Unless you guys have something you really want to get off your chest, I say we get right to these strips.
Michael (01:34):
Let's do it.
Harold (01:35):
Okay.
All right.
Jimmy (01:37):
August 3rd.
Ooh, it's a six panel daily.
This is the middle of a sequence where Charlie Brown is having his sister Sally deliver a love note to the little red haired girl.
Sally is standing on the little red haired girl's stoop and she's calling out to her brother Charlie Brown, who's hiding behind a tree.
And she says, she's reading your love note.
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Sally calls out again, did you hear me?
Are you still behind the tree?
Wave your hand.
In the next panel, Charlie Brown's little hand does poke out from behind the tree and he waves.
He is still there.
So Sally turns to the little red haired girl, who we don't see.
She's just inside the house.
And Sally says, he's still there.
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Really?
Oh, sure, I understand.
Sally goes to Charlie Brown, who's still behind the tree and says, she said she couldn't read your smudgy writing.
And when I told her you were in the same class at school, she said she didn't remember you.
To which Charlie Brown replies, I can't stand it.
Michael (02:39):
Now what happened to his so-called girlfriend that he was buying the gloves for?
Jimmy (02:44):
Peggy Jean is just like forgotten.
Michael (02:47):
Really?
I mean, is she really forgotten?
Does she show up again?
Jimmy (02:51):
I don't know.
Michael (02:52):
Huh.
So he's like, he's a cat, basically.
Jimmy (02:57):
Well, I don't know that they were committed.
You know, I don't know that they said they were exclusive.
Liz (03:05):
So we see the little red-haired girl.
Michael (03:07):
No, you don't.
Liz (03:09):
Well, who's that in the fifth panel?
Michael (03:11):
That's Charlie Brown behind the tree.
That fooled me, too, because it doesn't really look like him.
Liz (03:16):
I was so used to seeing Sally at the door that I just assumed she was still there.
Harold (03:21):
It is odd that we see Sally looking to the right into the side of the house, as you always see when she's stepping on the stoop of the home.
Then we cut directly to another shot of her looking to the right.
The edge of the tree that Charlie Brown's hiding from is there, and he's looking out from it, as you often see people peeking out of their house.
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That is a little bit jarring, I guess, because she's hopped from one spot to another, and pretty much in exactly the same pose she was at the house, she's now at the tree.
Jimmy (03:55):
I have to tell Charlie Brown, it is 1994.
He could cure that smudgy handwriting.
There have been so many advancements in pen technology between 1950 and 1994.
I really think he could have.
Harold (04:12):
Do you think he's using a Radio 914, dude?
Jimmy (04:14):
He must be, yeah.
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(04:39):
We'd sure appreciate it.
The other thing about this, we could say 6-panel daily.
That's a lot of pads on a daily strip.
Harold (04:46):
That's a commitment.
Michael (04:47):
Could have been a Sunday.
Harold (04:49):
Yep.
Yep.
Michael (04:50):
Probably had to think about it.
It's part of the continuity, so I guess not.
Jimmy (04:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Harold (04:56):
Yeah, that's the trick, isn't it?
Jimmy (04:58):
Yeah, especially when they are being created at different times.
That's just, I can't imagine getting your head around that.
August 23rd, it's from one extreme to the other.
We got a two-panel strip, and this is Rerun practicing basketball.
This is Rerun's sport, by the way.
This seems to be the one that he gravitates to through the next few years.
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So Rerun throws the ball towards the basket, doesn't come anywhere close, and the ball's on the ground.
And Rerun says to the ball, don't be discouraged.
I'm new at this.
It's interesting, I think.
This is like the last sport that makes its real appearance in Peanuts.
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And it's shifted through the years from baseball, then to football, and now there's more basketball.
Because this is clearly, this was really the height of the first peak anyway at the NBA.
This was around, just Michael Jordan probably left the year before.
The dream team was two years before.
So, basketball, which hadn't made an appearance at all, re-rendercized as his sport going forward.
Liz (06:07):
I'm surprised that hockey wasn't more prevalent.
Jimmy (06:11):
Yeah, I mean, you got a little bit obviously with Snoopy on the Bird House.
Michael (06:17):
Yeah, we've had lots of tennis.
Harold (06:20):
Yep.
Yeah, it's either sports he likes or sports he knows people like in the US.
He likes to be croquet, golf.
Michael (06:26):
Yeah, so there's never been a basketball strip?
Jimmy (06:29):
I mean, there probably has been one or two, but it certainly, Rerun plays basketball a fair amount, both him by himself and with Snoopy.
Harold (06:37):
I think probably the best known from just general fans of Peanuts is in the Thanksgiving special.
There's a long sequence where Snoopy discovers a basketball and starts playing with it with Woodstock.
I don't know that there was any equivalent to it.
Since that was all done, that special was written uniquely for TV.
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I don't think there's anything in there that's from the strips, so that was a departure for him.
But for people who didn't know the strip, yeah, basketball has been nowhere.
Liz (07:08):
So Rerun must have figured out the answer to why basketball.
Jimmy (07:12):
I guess so, just because it's fun.
Harold (07:15):
Someone told him, the basketball will enjoy it.
Jimmy (07:21):
September 18th, here's a strip, a Sunday with a billion panels.
All right, and we start out this epic with a Spike out in the desert, sitting on a rock in the sun and thinking to himself, memories.
Then he goes for a little walk in size.
Then the strip really begins on tier two.
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Spike again, sitting in the desert and he thinks to himself, why do I live all alone out here in the desert?
And then he says to his friend, the Cactus, I'm going to tell you something I've never told anyone.
Years ago, when I was young, I was out walking with some people.
Suddenly a rabbit ran across in front of us.
Spike continues, get him, shouted the people, even though I didn't want to, I darted after the rabbit is acting this out.
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And he says to the Cactus, I wouldn't have known what to do even if I had caught him.
Then it happened.
The rabbit ran into the road and was hit by a car.
Spike is covering his eyes with this.
He's disappointed in himself and just upset in general.
And he says, I was stunned.
Why did I do it?
Oh, how I hated myself.
And how I hated those people who shouted, get him.
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So I came out here to the desert where I couldn't hurt anything again.
I've never told this to anyone before.
And he looks at the cactus who's just standing there and Spike says, I guess I still have him.
Michael (08:45):
This is an interesting strip.
The first death in Peanuts.
Jimmy (08:51):
No, the suicide of the school.
Michael (08:55):
Yeah, right.
Okay, second death in Peanuts and it was an origin story which we've never seen before.
Jimmy (09:02):
That's really true.
Harold (09:04):
Yeah.
He left to go to the desert because of that terrible experience.
That's a big deal.
Jimmy (09:11):
It feels like this goes back to the PTSD we were discussing in the World War II strips.
I can't see them as separate.
This is on his mind.
He was just doing those weeks of strips, or not weeks, but days of strips with Snoopy and D-Day.
I was talking about this horrible thing that Spike witnessed and was partly responsible for, and just the thought.
Harold (09:40):
We don't exactly know what Schulz had to do in World War II.
Jimmy (09:44):
Well, there is some stuff in the Michaelis book that goes into World War II stuff.
It's harrowing, and there's a lot of there, but for the grace of God, go I moments.
So I think that's the kind of thing one would roll around in their mind a lot.
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And just the fact that Spike has never told this to anyone.
I think about that, like, I didn't know my dad had witnessed the atomic bomb for the first 20 years of my life until someone else told me, because they just didn't talk about that type of stuff.
Harold (10:19):
Right.
Jimmy (10:22):
And here's Spike talking about something metaphorically, or maybe Schulz talking about something metaphorically, and ending it with, well, I still haven't told anybody.
I don't know.
Harold (10:31):
Isn't there that famous story that Schulz did tell about how he was going to drop, pull out a grenade and throw it in, and a little dog walked right out, and he would have killed the dog?
Jimmy (10:43):
Yeah.
Harold (10:44):
And who knows what stories, like, he's saying here.
He never told anybody.
Jimmy (10:49):
And this is the kind of thing that just makes it, you're not going to see this in Garfield.
Like, it's just impossible to imagine Odie out, you know, in the backyard thinking about Nam.
Or, you know, that time Odie, you know, mangled a squirrel.
You know, it just would not happen.
Harold (11:08):
Well, it seems like Schulz gave so many artists, particularly in this field, the right to go to places that they would not have gone otherwise.
I think that can't be overstated.
The places he went, particularly with the style of comic he did, that the tone that he could go multiple places.
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And it was still the same strip and people would follow you.
You know, I think a lot of artists, you see all the comics that came before it.
And it seems like part of the brand of almost all of them, not all of them, but almost all of them is, if you have a certain tone, you never break from it.
That is what you're doing, is giving people the same thing over and over again, every single day, but different, if hopefully.
(11:54):
Right, right.
And that is, that's something that Schulz kind of blew wide open.
You know, the canvas he's working on is immense.
Jimmy (12:05):
Yeah.
I think it's interesting, Michael, that you pointed out this is an origin story.
I wonder why he felt the need to do this just for Spike.
And it gives it such a poignancy, like it changes the whole Spike in the Desert thing for me.
Michael (12:18):
Yeah.
He's searching for peace.
Jimmy (12:21):
Peace, yeah.
Michael (12:22):
Well, who else has an origin?
Everybody else was just born into their situation.
Harold (12:27):
Yeah, that's true.
Jimmy (12:28):
That's true.
Harold (12:29):
We have little Daisy Hill Puppy Farm stuff with Snoopy, but you know, given how huge Snoopy is, there's nothing quite like this that says, here's why I am the way I am, why you see me in this place all the time.
And then that will color everything you ever read about Spike again, right?
Jimmy (12:50):
Absolutely, yeah.
Harold (12:52):
You know, and now he was dealing with Spike quite a bit in the 90s.
Wasn't there a special where he was heavily featured?
Jimmy (13:01):
Oh, the girl in the red pickup truck?
Harold (13:03):
Well, that was the 80s, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Was that the early 90s?
Anyway, he was, Schulz considered him a major character, obviously.
And even though, who knows what kind of response he got in letters from people, maybe a lot of people were saying, hey, we really like Spike, please do keep doing Spike.
But you don't see it, as we said before, there's not a whole lot of Spike merch.
Michael (13:24):
Right.
Jimmy (13:26):
And he's ahead of his time though, because now those mustaches are back in, so Spike would be right in the zeitgeist.
Harold (13:34):
And that's probably because of Spike, actually.
Jimmy (13:35):
I would think so, absolutely.
Harold (13:37):
It's a collective memory, because we have to bring the Spike.
Jimmy (13:39):
We've got to bring the Spike stash back.
Harold (13:41):
The Spike stash.
Jimmy (13:46):
September 27th, Charlie Brown's at the mailbox, and he's so excited.
A letter.
Then he runs back to the house saying, I got a letter from my pen pal in Scotland.
And I would just like to apologize for what I'm about to do.
To all our Scottish listeners.
So this is my attempt to read Charles Schulz's phonetic rendering of the Scottish accent.
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Charlie Brown reads the letter to his sister.
Dear Charlie, just been to the shops.
Mama's in bed with the sore hide and my da's making mints and tatties for the dinner.
Love, Morag.
And then Snoopy says she does prattle on, doesn't she?
Michael (14:28):
That's a great Irish accent.
Jimmy (14:30):
I know.
I'm not even close to Scottish, am I?
Michael (14:32):
You got to roll those Rs, man.
Jimmy (14:34):
Dear Charlie, I've been to the shops, mama's in bed with the sore hide and my da's making mints, sweet and tatties for the dinner.
Love, Morag.
Liz (14:47):
That's very good.
Harold (14:48):
That is, yeah, that's the best Ringo Starr doing Scottish I've ever heard.
Michael (14:54):
Is that prattling?
Harold (14:57):
No, it's not prattling.
You can't call someone prattling for being your pen pal.
Michael (15:03):
It's only like one sentence.
Jimmy (15:05):
Well, I think Snoopy's being ironic and say, wow, she does prattle on, so it's one sentence.
I think that's the joke.
Why Charles Schulz decided to do a Scottish accent 44 years into the, a dialect rather, into the strip is bizarre.
But now we at least know that his pen pal's name is Morag.
Harold (15:26):
I'm assuming he's gone through a lot of them, right?
Jimmy (15:28):
No, just Morag.
Harold (15:29):
That's it.
These all had Morag albs ever since the 50s.
Jimmy (15:35):
October 8th.
Linus is out in the classic Thumb in Blanket position, and Snoopy is sneaking up on him.
When Linus says, move one inch closer, you stupid beagle, and you'll regret it for the rest of your life.
Then in the next panel, Snoopy just lies on Linus' lap, belly up, smiling at him and says, isn't it odd how we all say things now and then we don't really mean?
Harold (16:00):
The big cheesy smile.
I love this one.
Yeah.
Snoopy mixes it up pretty well after all these years.
That one surprised me, made me laugh.
Liz (16:15):
Linus is looking pretty confused, curious.
Harold (16:21):
Yeah.
Finally, after all these years, they're learning how to get Linus' coat.
Snoopy could team up with Lydia and they could do some damage there.
Yeah, really?
Poor Linus.
Liz (16:33):
I have to say that I believe that this is the day that Michael and I arrived in Massachusetts after driving the truck across the country when we moved from Washington State.
Harold (16:46):
Oh, wow.
Michael (16:47):
How can you remember these things?
Harold (16:51):
That's impressive.
Jimmy (16:53):
October 10th, Peppermint Patty and Marcy are out.
They're going to play some football in the rain.
And Marcy says, why are we playing football in the rain, sir?
Peppermint Patty says, this is a down in the mud game, Marcy.
It's slam bang rock them sock them.
And then Peppermint Patty kicks off.
And she says, besides that, it's fun.
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And then we see the other team that she's kicking off to is Snoopy, Linus and Charlie Brown.
And Linus says to Charlie Brown, why are we playing football in the rain, Charlie Brown?
Charlie Brown says, because we're out of our minds.
This reminds me of playing.
We had a pretty fun and magical childhood.
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And the park right down the street from, I mean, I could see it from my house, had all sorts of things, a baseball field, a tennis court, a basketball court, all this stuff.
Didn't have a football field though.
We would play football in the little league baseball field.
And it got really disgusting if it was rainy.
Harold (17:54):
Oh, man.
Jimmy (17:56):
And we're back to Peppermint Patty just loving her Down in the Dirt Rock'Em Sock'Em Football.
Peppermint Patty has definitely met her moment in the 90s.
October 16th.
It's a Sunday and Lucy has the football out and she rings the doorbell at the Brown House.
Ring.
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And then Lucy says to Sally, Hi.
And then Sally says, Hi, what's up?
And Lucy says to Sally, tell your brother to come out.
Tell him I'll hold the ball and he can come running up and kick it.
Then Sally goes inside to Charlie Brown, who's in the beanbag chair.
And she says to him, she's here again.
Why does she think you're dumb enough to be fooled again?
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And then as they go out, Charlie Brown dutifully following Lucy out to the field, Sally calls after them.
You don't really believe my brother is that naive, do you?
She's still yelling.
I mean, after all, how often do you think you can fool someone with the same trick?
And we see Sally just watching, and from off panel, we hear Charlie Brown yell, OOOG!
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And then WUMP in the next panel.
Sally is shocked by the whole thing, and Charlie Brown just walks back defeated, but not particularly perturbed by the whole thing.
And Sally calls back out to Lucy saying, Pretty often, huh?
Michael (19:14):
This is my favorite football strip.
Because I can never believe that anyone's that stupid to fall for this.
But we don't have to see it.
So you get to laugh, but you also don't have the ridiculous situation that he believes her, even though it happens, it's off panel.
Jimmy (19:34):
Well, and it feels just sort of like this.
There's something about the way Charlie Brown does this.
It's like he is going off to meet his doom.
Michael (19:43):
I think he's hypnotized.
Liz (19:44):
Yeah, that's what it looks like to me too.
Michael (19:46):
He has no willpower.
Jimmy (19:48):
No, right.
He's like, this must occur.
This always occurs.
Michael (19:52):
It's my face.
Jimmy (19:53):
Yeah, right.
Harold (19:55):
Yeah, he really is Charlie Schulz then.
Yeah.
I must do this every year.
Jimmy (19:59):
Every year.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Harold (20:02):
I wonder how he felt about that.
He's like, oh no, I gotta do it again.
Michael (20:06):
Well, this is a great solution.
Harold (20:07):
Yeah.
Well, mixing it up.
It seems like Schulz is continuing to mix things up.
Liz (20:13):
And saying things that people probably said to him.
I mean, how often can you fool someone with the same trick?
Michael (20:20):
The same joke over and over again.
Jimmy (20:23):
Yeah.
Harold (20:24):
Yeah.
It's very autobiographical.
Michael (20:26):
Yeah.
Jimmy (20:27):
It's very meta.
It is about what it is.
I have to do this every year.
How many times can you twist it?
How many variations on it?
Harold (20:37):
Yeah.
Jimmy (20:38):
Oh, and by the way, I just wanted to mention earlier, the pen pal not saying Charlie Brown.
One of the super rare appearances of someone just calling him Charlie.
Harold (20:48):
I meant to mention-
Michael (20:48):
Charlie.
SPEAKER_6 (20:50):
Charlie.
Michael (20:51):
Bunny Prince Charlie.
Harold (20:55):
All of a sudden, our Scottish audience plummets.
Jimmy (21:00):
October 28th.
It's the spinoff strip of Andy and Olaf just sitting at the holding up the barn wall, and Andy says to Olaf, You know, Olaf, I think we should do more than just eat and sleep.
And Andy continues, They say life is short.
To which Olaf says, It is?
(21:20):
Who knew?
Poor Olaf.
Harold (21:27):
He's just not in the loop.
Jimmy (21:28):
No, he's absolutely not in the loop.
I'm obsessed with the idea of this being a spinoff strip with just the two of them never moving.
I think that's a great idea.
Liz (21:38):
What's the title?
Harold (21:39):
It's called Andy and Olaf Hold Up the Barn.
Michael (21:42):
Is it?
Are all these characters automatically trademarked and copywritten?
Liz (21:48):
For the next 100 years.
SPEAKER_6 (21:49):
I believe so, yes.
Michael (21:50):
I mean, there's this in the contract that just says, everything I create, I own.
Jimmy (21:55):
I think that's the Constitution of the Good Ol United States of America.
Harold (22:00):
It's a T, I'm not an R with the circle around it.
Right, exactly.
Jimmy (22:05):
November 2nd, a three-panel strip.
Snoopy is just lying there as if he's on his doghouse, but he's in a field under a tree with his head on a rock, and slowly over the first two panels, a leaf gently falls from the tree, landing on Snoopy's nose, and Snoopy says, Ouch.
Michael (22:24):
You haven't seen the leaf strip in a while.
Jimmy (22:27):
Yeah, it's been a real long time.
Michael (22:29):
It's been good to see him again.
They're very poetic.
Jimmy (22:33):
They are beautiful.
I wonder why he decided to do three instead of four panels.
Michael (22:38):
I think delaying the Ouch, it seems delayed to me.
He might have to think about it a little bit before he thought Ouch.
He could have put in just a non-thought balloon panel like Panel 3 before he says Ouch.
Jimmy (22:58):
You know what else he could have done?
He could have photocopied this panel three times.
I'm looking really close, but obviously he didn't.
You could tell in the grass and stuff.
Michael (23:08):
Too bad this podcast wasn't around when he was working.
He just seems like ripping us off right and left.
Jimmy (23:14):
It would be like Sparky could be out on the golf course an hour earlier.
Harold (23:22):
I can do a two-minute tree.
Don't worry.
Jimmy (23:24):
Yeah, it's a nice still two-minute tree and a little two-minute Snoopy.
Really nice to see the leaves.
All right, so that's what we're going to do.
We're going to take a little break here now.
Go out and lay and see if any leaves fall on our nose, and then come back and check the mail and then do some more strips and finish the episode up.
Sound good?
Sure.
Yeah.
(23:44):
All righty.
Liz (23:45):
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Jimmy (24:23):
And we're back.
Liz, I'm hanging out in the mailbox.
We got anything?
Liz (24:26):
We do.
We got an email from a new listener, Allie Blackwell, who writes, I've really been enjoying your podcast the last few months.
It's so impressive to hear your chronological analysis of the comic and Schulz's evolution.
It's gotten me thinking about these characters as individuals.
I have curiosities.
(24:47):
Since they're eternally in elementary school, but their characters seem to change over time, what do you think they'd be like in high school?
Looking forward to hearing from the experts on high school or on high school.
Harold (25:03):
Yeah, I don't think I am next to it on high school based on my experience.
Michael (25:08):
Well, Med Magazine, when they were doing parodies in the 50s, that's the kind of thing they would do.
Harold (25:14):
Right.
Michael (25:15):
You know, what if the Peanuts kids were in high school and they'd be smoking cigarettes and stuff?
You don't see that kind of parodies, maybe because the lawsuits would come raining down.
Harold (25:27):
Are you saying that there wasn't something like that in the...
Michael (25:30):
I seem to recall something with them as grownups.
Jimmy (25:34):
Well, there's tons of things where people have done Charlie Brown.
I mean, there's lots of things on YouTube people do, you know, the sequel to the Christmas special, and Charlie Brown is like a middle-aged guy.
Michael (25:43):
Yeah, but I have seen strips where, yeah, they're definitely like juvenile delinquents.
Jimmy (25:51):
Well, I think Peppermint Patty will suddenly be a straight-A student because she'll realize she was going to an insane elementary school and she has actually already read the complete English canon, understands, you know, physics.
Michael (26:04):
I think she'd be going for that football scholarship.
Liz (26:08):
That makes sense.
Harold (26:10):
Yeah, I think Peppermint Patty will be more of a success in high school than she was in elementary school, probably for a lot of those reasons.
What do you think is going to happen to Sally in high school?
Michael (26:22):
Oh, she would have dropped out.
She'd probably get married at 14 or something.
Liz (26:28):
No.
Michael (26:30):
Become a figure skater.
Liz (26:33):
I think she's class president.
Michael (26:35):
No, no, she'd get out of any kind of...
Jimmy (26:37):
Well, I think this is a way of us saying we really have no idea.
Harold (26:40):
We have no idea.
Jimmy (26:41):
None whatsoever.
Harold (26:42):
We have none whatsoever.
I think Snoopy does okay in high school.
Liz (26:46):
I think Frieda would be a mean girl.
Harold (26:48):
Oh, yeah.
Well, yeah.
Jimmy (26:50):
I think Linus would suddenly struggle.
I can see that.
Michael (26:54):
Oh, he'd get into Dungeons and Dragons.
Harold (26:57):
See, I would think that Linus would chug along and be doing just fine.
Interesting.
Yeah, so that tells you how complex these characters are because we can take this just about anywhere.
Sounds like...
Now, when you said Frieda, did you mean Lydia?
I'm just wondering, Liz.
Liz (27:15):
No, I think Frieda would.
Harold (27:16):
The curly-haired girl is going to...
Liz (27:17):
Lydia probably would be too.
Maybe, maybe...
Harold (27:20):
They'd be gang up on Linus.
Liz (27:21):
Yeah.
Harold (27:22):
Frieda, because she's so into her naturally curly hair that she's just a little too into herself.
Liz (27:28):
Yeah.
Harold (27:28):
It's got a cat.
It's going to cause people trouble.
A different cat, I've been guessing, but maybe not.
Farron could still be around.
Jimmy (27:36):
Oh, Snoopy's still around.
The cat will still be around.
Harold (27:39):
Well, we don't know what the rules are come high school.
Michael (27:42):
What stock will be what?
Honor student.
Jimmy (27:47):
I was walking down to the corner store the other day, looked up and I'm pretty sure I saw Mr.
Peepers.
He said, don't worry about it.
Everything's fine.
Michael (27:54):
Really?
Jimmy (27:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
He said, yeah.
Michael (27:57):
How did he get to Pennsylvania from LA.?
Jimmy (27:59):
It's been a long time.
He's been riding the rails, so it's fine.
Michael (28:02):
Okay.
Harold (28:03):
Hanging out with Spike.
Liz (28:04):
Oh, that's good news.
Michael (28:07):
I feel better now.
That's my origin story.
Liz (28:13):
Thanks, Ali.
Harold (28:14):
Thanks, Ali, and sorry.
Jimmy (28:16):
Yeah.
Michael (28:16):
I wish we could talk about that for hours, but we're at a time limit here.
I always wondered why these podcasts go like, well, we got to go.
Jimmy (28:25):
Almost that time.
Harold (28:27):
That's my time.
Michael (28:28):
Good night.
Liz (28:28):
Surely people have other lives.
Jimmy (28:32):
We also got a text from Captain Billy, who sent us a picture.
This was actually printed in Good Grief.
And it's a picture of good old Sparky with his dog, Andy.
And it's a very, very cute picture.
And it has a caption.
His name is Andy, and I can't remember ever having a dog I was so fond of.
(28:53):
I'm afraid, however, that he only likes me because I give him cookies.
And there you go, the cookies with Snoopy, too, which has made such an appearance, or strong appearance over the last couple of years.
Harold (29:06):
I wonder if he ever tested the theory.
Probably couldn't stand it.
He had to give him a cookie.
He couldn't withhold anything.
Liz (29:12):
So Captain Billy didn't say anything about me?
Jimmy (29:15):
He didn't say anything about you.
No, he's moved on something to Lydia.
Harold (29:19):
That's okay.
Jimmy (29:20):
But if you want to say something to Liz or any of us, you can write us.
We're at unpackingpeanuts at gmail.com.
We would love to hear from you because when I don't hear, I worry.
And if you want, you could also call or leave a text message at number 717-219-4162.
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November 16th, Linus is hanging out with Rerun.
Linus is in classic thumb and blanket position, and Rerun says to him, I'm your younger brother, and I don't suck my thumb or cling to a blanket for security.
Linus says, hooray for you.
And Rerun says, as the years go by, you'll probably develop a real resentment toward me.
(30:05):
To which Linus just drops his blanket over Rerun's head, and Rerun says, and find different ways to get even.
Michael (30:12):
Well, first time we've seen that sibling rivalry between these two.
Yeah.
Jimmy (30:17):
Yeah.
See, and Linus is an older brother.
Harold (30:20):
Yeah.
He's not doing much of a job there.
Michael (30:22):
He's learned a lot from Lucy how to be bossy.
Hooray for you.
Now, that is sarcasm.
Harold (30:33):
Yeah.
And I love how Rerun has to open this with, I'm your younger brother.
Michael (30:39):
All right.
Well, as you know, I'm your younger brother.
Harold (30:44):
Just in case you have forgotten.
Jimmy (30:46):
That is the best point in any action movie, as you all know.
Harold (30:50):
Yes.
What do we all know?
Of course.
Yeah.
Poor Rerun.
He's not getting much support from Linus.
He makes his observations.
He's correct though.
He's very astute.
Rerun is kind of getting the vibe here from his brother, but I'm disappointed in you, Linus.
Jimmy (31:10):
And Linus does not care at all, which I like that.
Just dropped the thing over the little kid and tell him to shut up.
Harold (31:16):
Very cute.
Jimmy (31:17):
What do you think about him choosing to use the Zip-A-Tone on the blanket?
Michael (31:23):
It's not your linen blanket anymore.
Jimmy (31:27):
I knew Michael would lose his mind with that.
It'd be up at night.
It's a different blanket.
Harold (31:31):
Oh, I thought it was flannel.
Michael (31:33):
Yes, it is.
Jimmy (31:34):
It is one yard of outing flannel.
Harold (31:36):
Outing flannel.
Jimmy (31:37):
Exactly.
Michael (31:38):
But now it looks colored.
Harold (31:40):
Yep.
Michael (31:41):
Well, did they ever color it in the Sundays?
Harold (31:45):
It's blue, right?
Light blue.
Well, yes.
Jimmy (31:46):
Of course they have.
Harold (31:47):
It's blue.
Yeah.
It's a lovely light blue.
Yeah.
Okay.
My sister had a little blanket, too.
So this is a, this ring, ring's true.
Jimmy (31:58):
If anybody was wondering, about two and a half years ago on this podcast, I said someone bought me the officially licensed security blanket, but I had lost it.
Harold (32:09):
Yeah.
Jimmy (32:10):
Well, rest easy.
Along with Mr.
Peepers, my blanket was also found.
Harold (32:15):
Really?
Yes.
Michael (32:17):
Well, you can actually hand it off to our listeners.
Harold (32:20):
What makes it a licensed blanket?
Does it have any registered trademark on it?
Jimmy (32:26):
Yeah.
It has a little embroidered linus with his blanket in the corner.
Harold (32:31):
Okay.
Does it form just in the shape it does as in the comic?
Just automatically?
Jimmy (32:36):
Automatically.
He could turn it into a paper airplane.
Yeah.
All sorts of things.
Harold (32:41):
That's fantastic.
It's come with instructions?
Jimmy (32:43):
You can't believe where it was.
It was in the little chest I have that...
Liz (32:50):
Where you save all of your peanuts memorabilia.
Harold (32:52):
Your hope chest.
Jimmy (32:53):
No, where I put blankets.
It was in my chest of blankets.
Harold (32:57):
I was like, it was in my laundry basket for 17 years.
Jimmy (33:01):
That could have been, but no.
November 19th, another rerun.
Rerun comes up to the door of the house and Snoopy answers it.
And he says, hi, my name is rerun.
Do you want to come out and play?
And then he continues to Snoopy, we'll have fun.
I'll throw the ball and you can chase it.
(33:22):
But then Snoopy just closes the door and goes back inside, leaving rerun out front to yell, it would have been fun.
Harold (33:31):
I think that's the cutest rerun drawing on the first panel I've seen yet.
Jimmy (33:35):
Yeah, it's a good one.
I love that he finally has his look down, except for the bird's nest hair.
He's got the little overalls on, the shorter alls.
And that's a good look.
How tiny is Snoopy in the first panel though, reruns that small, you know?
Harold (33:58):
Yeah, it's almost like he's on all fours.
Jimmy (34:02):
He would have to be.
He had to be that height.
Harold (34:04):
And he gets up a little to lean in and look at the ball and consider it.
In the second panel, which I think is great.
Jimmy (34:10):
Yeah.
Harold (34:11):
It might have happened.
Jimmy (34:12):
He thought about it.
He didn't dismiss it out of hand.
Yeah, so we're going to see more of rerun of Snoopy together.
Harold (34:20):
Looking forward to that.
Jimmy (34:21):
You get that little glimpse.
Harold (34:22):
Yep.
Jimmy (34:25):
December 11th.
It's a Sunday.
We start out with one of them there.
Symbolic panels.
This is an igloo in a vast wintery landscape with Sally poking her head out of the entrance, which then hard cuts to Sally looking out the window of her house with some flurries coming down.
She then walks outside, looks at the flurries, walks back inside and Charlie Brown is now there and he's dressed and ready to go outside and play, I guess, in the snow or go to school, rather, I guess.
(34:56):
And Sally says to him, no school today.
It's snowing.
It's a regular blizzard.
Everything is closed.
Busses aren't running.
She's still in the chair, just eyes closed, listing this stuff off.
Power lines are down all over the city.
It's the worst blizzard since 1806.
Charlie Brown goes outside and sees the few flakes falling down.
(35:18):
And then he goes back inside with two sack lunches and says to Sally, here's your lunch.
Let's go.
Then they're both walking to school.
And Charlie Brown says, mom said you could have stayed home in 1806.
And to which Sally replies, I can't see where I'm going.
But there's only like six flakes falling.
Harold (35:40):
It's interesting.
Well, it looks like Charlie Brown's not naive about everything.
No, he's not falling for this one.
Jimmy (35:48):
Now, Michael, tell us all the stories of your snow days off as a kid in Los Angeles.
Michael (35:53):
We had smog days.
Jimmy (35:55):
Did you really?
Michael (35:56):
In LA, yeah.
Oh, wow.
Smog alerts.
It's too dangerous to go outside.
Jimmy (36:03):
Holy cow.
I did not realize that.
Harold (36:07):
That's crazy.
Well, you just swap out two letters and you're good to go.
Smog day.
Jimmy (36:14):
Yeah, I feel bad for kids because nowadays they're like, yeah, school's closed, so hop on Zoom.
So they don't even get the day off to just have to hop on Zoom, which is, I mean, who's kidding who?
Just give them the day off.
Harold (36:31):
So they are actually just having the computer days, everyone's set up for it, so.
Jimmy (36:36):
Yeah, I guess once in a while, like if they do like a delay or whatever, then you just have the two hour delay and you go in.
But yeah, they've had, especially it was during COVID, I remember they were, well, what's the point?
We're gonna, you're not coming in anyway, so.
Harold (36:52):
Wow.
Jimmy (36:54):
Yeah, it was bleak.
Harold (36:56):
I like the drawing of Sally peeking out of the igloo in the first panel.
Jimmy (37:01):
Yeah, I do too.
You don't see a lot of igloos in pop culture these days.
Michael (37:07):
No.
Jimmy (37:07):
Pop culture used to be lousy with igloos.
Harold (37:10):
It's true.
She almost, it looks like she's in the basement.
Jimmy (37:14):
Yes.
Harold (37:14):
Looking up.
She's like in the little shelter, tornado shelter there.
But yeah, it's, this is when we know how much Sally really knows about how things work.
She knows about power lines and and buses that can't run through snow.
(37:36):
Of course, in Sebastopol, this might be the worst billboard since 1806.
Jimmy (37:41):
Yeah, it's funny.
I watch a YouTuber who's just a hiker, a hiking enthusiast, and she's from the deep south.
And like last week, they got a half an inch of snow and everything was closed down.
It was very exciting.
She's like, this is so thrilling.
It's like, is it really thrilling though?
Harold (38:00):
It's a blanket of white, a half inch blanket of-
Jimmy (38:03):
A half inch blanket.
Harold (38:05):
Outing flannel.
Jimmy (38:09):
December 19th, Sally's writing to Santa Claus and Charlie Brown's watching.
She writes, Dear Monsieur Claus, to which Charlie Brown says, Monsieur Claus?
And Sally with heavy-lidded eyes sarcastically says, I suppose it never occurred to you that he might be French.
Harold (38:27):
Well, it's an International Peanuts this year.
Liz (38:30):
Yeah.
Jimmy (38:31):
I don't think Santa Claus is French though.
Michael (38:33):
He was Italian.
Jimmy (38:36):
St.
Nicholas?
Harold (38:36):
Italian.
Michael (38:37):
Yeah.
Jimmy (38:38):
Turkish, no?
Michael (38:39):
Yeah, from Brindisi, St.
Nicolo.
Liz (38:44):
I thought he was like some from Nordic country.
Michael (38:47):
Nope.
The original St.
Nicholas was Italian.
I thought it was-
Jimmy (38:52):
Well, he might be Italian, but didn't he spend his life in Turkey?
Michael (38:55):
I thought he spent his life at the North Pole.
Jimmy (38:58):
That's a post-life.
Have you never read The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus by Good Ol-
Harold (39:06):
What's his face?
Michael (39:07):
Walt Disney.
Harold (39:07):
Charlie Brown.
Jimmy (39:08):
The guy that wrote Wizard of Oz.
No, Good Ol What's His Name.
Harold (39:11):
Frank Baum.
Jimmy (39:12):
L.
Frank Baum.
Thank you, Harold.
Harold (39:14):
Baum.
L.
Frank, right?
Jimmy (39:16):
Why do fantasy writers always use initials?
Harold (39:19):
That's a good question.
Jimmy (39:20):
JK.
Rowling, JRR.
Tolkien, L.
Frank Baum.
Michael (39:24):
But I love that George RR.
Martin just added those.
Just added the RRs.
Jimmy (39:30):
Yeah.
Harold (39:31):
RR.
He's just laughing at us.
He really did.
Jimmy (39:37):
Somehow, YouTube really thinks I'm very interested in whether or not the Song of Ice and Fire will be completed.
I've never read one of those books or seen one of the episodes of the show, but YouTube is really convinced this is what I'm interested in.
Michael (39:53):
Well, they think you're a human being, so of course, you're interested.
Liz (39:56):
They think you're Michael.
Harold (39:59):
I'm wondering why Schulz is cheaping out on the Zip-A-Tone in this strip.
It looks like he's using scraps, because it's like the three different pieces that make up every single one of the panels.
Jimmy (40:14):
Yeah.
It does not work.
You cannot patch Zip-A-Tone together.
Harold (40:19):
Impossible.
Yeah.
I've certainly cheaped out on Zip-A-Tone.
Oh, I had to.
It is not pretty.
But this is odd.
At first I thought, well, he's looking for a shadow effect to the right of Charlie Brown, but then he doesn't follow through on it, but then he's not leaning in.
So maybe he's not blocking the light.
And I was like, no, maybe he's just cheaping out on Zip-A-Tone.
Jimmy (40:41):
Yeah, he's just cheaping out and pasting them together for some reason.
Harold (40:45):
Well, you know, that's really interesting.
Jimmy (40:47):
It's really not even necessary.
He didn't even have to have Zip-A-Tone in at all, but he's just all in on the Zip-A-Tone at this point.
Harold (40:54):
Yeah, it would seem strange if there was Zip-A-Tone at this point in the strip.
Jimmy (40:59):
And this continues, December 21st, Sally says to Charlie Brown, I thought it might be nice to drop a little note to Santa Claus's wife.
Dear Signora Claus.
And Charlie Brown says, Signora, Sally says, I have a theory that he married a nice Italian girl.
Michael (41:15):
There you go.
Harold (41:18):
So, finally vindicated in the old Italian.
Well, at Mystery Science Theater, we did a movie called The Christmas That Almost Wasn't.
And Santa Claus is played by Rossano Brasi.
Liz (41:31):
Really?
Harold (41:32):
Yeah.
Liz (41:33):
Soman Chanderi.
I'm sorry.
Harold (41:37):
But his wife played Mrs.
Claus.
So I thought of this when I saw this strip.
This is his tribute to The Christmas That Almost Wasn't, which is one of the strangest Christmas movies ever, where Santa goes to a lawyer to help him as he's about to be evicted from the North Pole because he rents.
Jimmy (42:01):
He rents.
That's amazing.
Harold (42:04):
Great family tales with lawyers and them, you know.
Jimmy (42:09):
And that brings us to Good Ol December 29th.
Linus and Lucy are sitting on a chair watching TV, and Linus says, I think there's something you should know.
And Lucy says, what's that?
And Linus says, the world does not revolve around you.
And then there's a silent panel as Lucy contemplates this.
Then she turns to Linus and says, you're kidding.
(42:33):
I think that's a classic way to end the year as a classic Lucy line.
That could be right out of 1959.
I really like it.
Really, really good.
And I just like that you can tell they're watching TV by that tiny little indication of a rectangle in just one of the panels.
Harold (42:55):
Yeah, they pulled up a chair really tight in on a love seat.
Liz (43:02):
They wouldn't have let you do that back in the 50s.
Harold (43:05):
Right.
They would say with your eyes, but what was the whole theory?
Was that true back in the day?
Liz (43:09):
Yeah, were you going to go blind if you sat too close to the television?
Harold (43:13):
Was it the tubes somehow were radiated?
What was the theory there?
Liz (43:16):
Don't know.
Jimmy (43:17):
I don't think it was too much science in that theory.
Harold (43:21):
No, you think it was more just...
Liz (43:23):
Parents not wanting you to do it.
I don't know.
Harold (43:26):
Probably.
Jimmy (43:29):
Well, that brings us to the end of another great year.
Just our usual yearly things that wrap things up and let us put a nice bow on it.
So how about we start with Harold?
Why don't you tell us what's going on with the old Anger and Happiness Index this year?
Harold (43:47):
I didn't do it.
I do not have access to the...
SPEAKER_6 (43:51):
You didn't do it?
Harold (43:54):
I didn't have access to the strips in the book while I was traveling.
SPEAKER_6 (43:58):
All right.
Jimmy (43:58):
So Harold is on assignment from the Head Beagle.
So he was unable to do the Anger and Happiness Index this year.
So this is a great opportunity for all you out there.
How many strips showed anger?
How many strips showed happiness?
Let us know and if you're the person who guesses right, you win our esteem.
Michael (44:21):
Well, how do we know if they guess right?
Harold (44:23):
I will go and get the correct answer.
However, those who are really into it, of course, they can go through all 365 strips and they can make their count and then you'll see how much we differ.
Liz (44:36):
No, we have listeners who would be happy to do that, I'm sure.
Harold (44:40):
Right, so, yeah, let's see how that turns out and I'd be interested to know how off I am from others if they do do that, but I'm not trying to push anybody into counting smiles and frowns for 365 strips, but if you just want to guess randomly, that's fun too.
(45:00):
It's like the number of M&Ms in the jar.
You really can't guess.
You really can't go in and count them.
And I suppose you could do the math, but anyway, let us know.
We will reveal the answer.
Jimmy (45:10):
Can we talk about it a little bit more?
I think we should.
So let's just sum up.
They're going to tell us about-
Harold (45:16):
We need to pad this episode out a bit.
So what's going to happen?
Jimmy (45:21):
Let's see if we can get a handle on this.
So you-
Harold (45:25):
Yeah, just run it by me.
All right.
Jimmy (45:27):
So you didn't do it, but we're asking them to do it.
And there's a variety of ways they can do it, but we are not telling them what way to do it.
Harold (45:33):
But then I'll do it.
Jimmy (45:35):
But then you'll do it and then we'll know if they did it right.
It clears a bell.
Harold (45:40):
Well.
Jimmy (45:41):
And if you want to share that with us, you can obviously, you can write to us, unpackingpeanuts at gmail.com.
You can also follow us on the good old social media.
We're at Unpack Peanuts on Instagram and Threads and at Unpacking Peanuts on Facebook, Blue Sky and YouTube.
And we would love to hear from you.
So with all of that out of the way, the only thing I need from my pals is their Strip of the Year and their pick for MVP.
(46:09):
Harold, why don't you go first?
Harold (46:11):
I didn't do it.
So to start it with the Strip of the Year, I thought I would, you know, there was no strip that really, really stood out for me.
There was some very distinctive strips.
But in terms of like my favorite, I had a hard time.
I liked the little strip with the, with what's stuck to it, the little show on the dog dish.
(46:36):
And the show closes after one night.
That was really charming.
But I picked the, another very charming strip from October 8th, where Snoopy is sneaking up on Linus and being threatened by Linus for stealing the blanket.
And he winds up on his back looking up at Linus with that gigantic smile saying, isn't it odd how we all say things?
(47:01):
And now and then we don't really mean.
I just thought that was a nice mix on a classic theme 44 years in.
Jimmy (47:09):
That's a good one.
And for your MVP?
Harold (47:12):
I'm going to give it to Rerun because he's just starting to show who he's going to be.
And we've gotten a taste of it, but I find it really intriguing.
So he may get it a lot in the future, but I wanted to give it to him now.
Jimmy (47:27):
Good picks.
Michael, how about you?
Michael (47:30):
Well, this is episode four, and I put a little asterisk by two of them way back in January or early on.
I have no idea what they are.
If someone wants to look it up, can you give the books, Andy?
Jimmy (47:47):
I can look it up on Go Comics.
Michael (47:48):
Okay.
Well, there's two of them.
January 22nd.
Liz (47:53):
Okay.
One moment, please.
Michael (47:54):
It was so funny.
I can't remember what it was.
Jimmy (47:57):
Well, if you knew it by just the date, that would be amazing.
Liz (47:59):
It was Who Cares?
How Should I Know?
Do you think I'm out of my mind?
Michael (48:03):
Sally's Philosophy.
Yeah.
Liz (48:05):
Okay.
Michael (48:05):
I'm a big fan of that.
Liz (48:06):
What's the other one?
Michael (48:08):
The other one is 2-4, February 4th.
Liz (48:13):
Lydia with her ribbon around her lovelace.
Michael (48:15):
Yeah.
So many Lydia strips I love.
Anyway, let's go with Sally's Philosophy.
Jimmy (48:23):
All right.
Sally's Philosophy and your MVP?
Michael (48:27):
Well, I picked Sally the last bunch of years, but I don't want to be the outlier here.
I want to be part of the in-crowd.
So I will pick Rerun just because I know from Jimmy that he's going to be a really major character, so I don't want to be in on it.
Liz (48:46):
F-O-M-O.
Jimmy (48:49):
Very good.
Well, I'm going to make it a sweep then.
I will pick Rerun as well.
Yeah, it was nice to see him finally arrive fully formed 20 some years later.
For my strip of the year, I'm going to go back to April 2nd, which is the, I can't hear you when it's windy.
Liz (49:10):
Oh, that was going to be my pick.
Oh, no, I was going to say, can I have a pick this year?
Jimmy (49:17):
You could have a pick every year if you want.
Liz (49:19):
But as long as you take care of that, that's great.
That was a great one.
Jimmy (49:23):
It is a good one.
All right.
And if you characters out there want to find out what the strip of the year is next year, well, you're going to have to come back a long time from now.
Because next week we have our wrap up of this season, and then we have three special episodes with three very special guests.
Judy Slatky, who plays Snoopy on Ice, Rated Grimsley Johnson, who wrote the authorized Schulz biography, Good Grief, and the great Lynn Johnston, creator of For Better or For Worse.
(49:53):
Couldn't be more excited about all this stuff coming up.
And then back for the last season of Regular Strips.
Michael (49:59):
Whoa, I wasn't thinking in terms of seasons.
Jimmy (50:02):
Yeah.
Michael (50:03):
But wait, wait, the last trip, it was 2000.
Jimmy (50:07):
Yeah.
Michael (50:08):
But it was in February, right?
So that doesn't count as a year.
Jimmy (50:11):
No.
Harold (50:12):
No, and it ended for the dailies even earlier than that.
Yeah.
Jimmy (50:18):
With all that said, we can't wait for you to come back next week and join us again.
It's always my favorite day of the week.
So for Michael, Harold, and Liz, this is Jimmy saying, be of good cheer.
Michael (50:28):
Yes, be of good cheer.
Liz (50:31):
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Music by Michael Cohen.
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