November 13, 2024 • 51 mins
Join us on an extraordinary journey as we welcome back Peter Craig from Moving Works, a passionate storyteller and missionary with a heart for telling stories of God at work around the globe. Peter takes us from the bustling streets of Bamako to the remote villages of the Qaeda Malinke people, highlighting the transformative power of faith and collaboration over traditional strategies. His stories remind us of the profound impact faith can have in overcoming challenges and fostering spiritual growth in even the most remote corners of the world.
Immerse yourself in miraculous tales from "Light on the Way," a film capturing moments of healing and conversion that transcend cultural boundaries. Witness the unwavering faith of a pastor who, despite facing personal loss, continues to spread the gospel and nurture his congregation. This episode also brings to life the visceral experiences of sacrifice, drawing parallels between cultural rites and the ultimate sacrifice of Christ. As Peter shares his journey, we are reminded of the resilience and beauty found in faith-driven communities, and the profound symbolism of sacrifice and redemption that spans across cultures and beliefs.
From the heart of Africa to the Port of Hamburg, we introduce you to Martin, a former port worker turned missionary, dedicated to ministering to seafarers from around the globe. Martin and his wife Monica's journey of faith highlights the impact one can have by answering a call to serve others. Their unique ministry brings hope and connection to isolated workers on container ships, revealing the immense power of compassion and faith. Through these captivating stories, we celebrate the diverse ways in which God's work unfolds, inviting you to explore, connect, and be inspired by the transformative power of belief and community.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
In Revelation 7, john shares his vision of heaven,
with members from every tribe,tongue, people and language
standing in the throne roombefore the Lamb.
Yet today there are still over7,000 unreached people groups
around the world.
For the last six years, myfamily and friends have been on
a journey to find, vet and fundthe task remaining.
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Come journey with us to theends of the earth as we share
the supernatural stories of Godat work for the men and women he
has called to reach theunreached.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hello friends, and welcome to another episode of
the Unreached Podcast.
I am Clint Hudson, your host,and I am back, as promised, with
our friend Peter Craig ofMoving Works, our last episode.
Peter told some incrediblestories, not only about how God
was working in his life andhelping him to dispel the idols
that he had in his life as afilmmaker and how he felt
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compelled to do this work thatwas Christ centered, and not
only to do it for the Lord, totell God's stories of him at
work around the world, but alsoto give it away for free and he
told that story.
But also he took us down toAmazon and told a story about
getting lost in the jungle onthe river and how God used that
to plant a church and to see hiskingdom come in the Amazon.
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Just an incredible story.
If you haven't listened to thatone, take a second pause, go
back and listen to our lastepisode.
But I also promised on the lastepisode that we were going to
pick up in the bush of Mali,going to some remote villages,
and so we're back with PeterCraig today.
Peter, take us out into thebush, take us to Mali.
Where are we heading today?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So it was funny enough.
Actually, now that I thinkabout it, it was about a month
later, from having gone to theAmazon, that God called us to go
to Mali.
Now Mali is in Western Africa.
It's an oddly shaped country.
Now imagine this Timbuktu is inMali.
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So if you ever use the metaphor, Timbuktu, this is in Mali.
So it's in the middle ofnowhere.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I literally learned this today.
Thank you, because I saidTimbuktu.
I used that illustrationyesterday.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Like we got to drive all the way to Timbuktu.
I'm talking about West Austin.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yes, but gotcha, yes.
So imagine Timbuktu, theliteral Timbuktu.
It's in Mali, so now onopposite sides of Mali, but it
is a remote place.
And now here's the beauty ofwhat we get to do.
We at Moving Works, we don'tknow all the stories and God has
designed it in such a way thatwe are reliant on the body of
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Christ to find stories andpartner to film the stories.
So, god in his grace, Iremember years ago I mentioned
earlier in the first podcastthat Romans says anything that
doesn't proceed from faith issin, which is like what?
So I started changing myprayers.
I'm like God, if this is true,lord, that moving works for us.
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My prayers, I'm like God, thisis true, lord, at Moving Works
for us, keep us in a place wherefaith is required, not strategy
, not strength, not intellect,not personality, whatever skill
set, even like faith, lord, helpus be dependent on you and God
has designed I'm so thankful Godhas designed our ministry to be
reliant.
We can't do things on our own.
We actually have to partnerwith ministries and people and
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we go to countries whereactually what we do at Moving
Works is actually go tocountries where Christianity is
small and there are fewresources to share the gospel in
their language and culture andcontext.
And so we make films in foreignlanguages and we need so much
help.
We don't know the languageswhen we're making the films.
We actually don't, and so we'relike, we're so dependent, and
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so God has been faithful toprovide partnership over the
years with people, and so atthis point, the reason we I know
nothing about Molly it wasn't adream I had or an ambition I
had.
I got connected with a ministrycalled Reach the Rest and they
had a good work in Mollyaliwhere they go, and their
strategy is to go to findbelievers and churches in a
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country and share the beliefthat, say, a church can send
missionaries out to unreachedpeople in their own country and
so it's better than a Westernerjust showing up in the bush of
Mali.
And so they go and they shareGod's heart for the nations in
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countries and they find leadersin that context or nearby
context, the approximate context, to share the gospel and uproot
their lives to go to anunreached people within their
own country.
I learned about all this as wewere kind of getting ready to
film and it's beautiful.
So we fly to Bamako, mali thisis the capital city and we go to
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a church, you know, and again,churches are different in
different countries, which isbeautiful, so formative to see
worship in different languages,in different contexts.
And so we are based out ofBamako and then traveled to what
is called they refer to as theBush of Mali, but it's along
what they call the Kida Road,and it was interesting, there's
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an interesting history, but thisroad was built out into the
middle of nowhere and it allowedus to kind of travel out there.
I mean, I think the road wasbuilt across Western Mali.
I don't know if it goes throughthe country entirely, but by
God's grace there's a road.
So, praise God, I think eventhe Chinese built the road.
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I don't know what theirambitions, but they don't know
they're advancing the gospel.
That's all they're doing.
I think there's, you knowthere's China's doing different
things in different countries.
They built the Qaeda road thatenabled us, enabled these
missionaries, to get out in themiddle of nowhere to the Qaeda
Malinke people, and so God hadraised up two men in Bamako with
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families.
So imagine this if you're inBamako and you're moving to the
bush of Mali, that's like usmoving to the Amazon.
It's not like closer, it's notlike.
Well, you know it's in theirown country.
This is uprooting everything.
And so I look back and again, Iwatched this film as well.
It's called Light on the Way,the movie we shot.
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I'm so bowled over.
We shot.
I'm so bowled over.
But honestly, I can just take amoment to be really stirred in
an awe of God's work in ourbrothers and sisters around the
globe.
Because, watching this film, Isee these men and women, these
husbands and their wives andtheir children, going out in the
middle of nowhere and this isnot a safe place for them either
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.
So they're Christians goingamongst they're mostly Muslim
villagers, and it's dangerousout there.
I mean, it's just, you'revulnerable, you're exposed, and
Bamako is a city where you canhave an apartment.
There you're living in a mudhut and, honestly, you're just
living very, very basically.
And so these two men, ourstories about these two men were
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sent to these two villages topreach the gospel, and so our
story was to document whathappened in the time that
they're there.
So we went out there and it wasjust beautiful to see these
guys and it's difficult, it'schallenging God's work there.
But what had happened?
Just to spoiler alert for thefilm certainly God had used them
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to reach so many people.
They don't know their language.
This isn't when you go tocountries.
It's not like, oh well, it'sone country in Africa, they're
all speaking the same language.
No, of course.
I mean you could move 10 milesin the opposite direction and
have to learn.
It's like me learning Italiansuddenly, absolutely you know.
And so these guys had to learnlanguages, had to get jobs, and
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then started just sharing thegood news.
And so they had been there, Ibelieve at that time a few years
, with their families, and juststarted laboring.
So I'm setting this all up, forthis is what we're filming.
We're going to film this story,and the work that God had done
was stunning.
Hundreds of people had come toknow Christ by that time already
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, and so God was working, andlooking back on the film, what
I'm stirred by is the reality ofhow he had done it.
They show up and again, this isthe Lord, and distinctly
through two different things.
How God used One was prayer.
So just showing up, not knowingthe language, not knowing the
culture.
So just showing up, not knowingthe language, not knowing the
culture, and being embedded withthe people.
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That might definitely see youas an outsider, or maybe even in
a hostile manner, the necessityof prayer, that they attest God
, using just prayer to reach thepeople, and in many ways it is
through prayer, plus anoutpouring of the Spirit that
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was very specific, which ishealing.
So two mechanisms getting thereand really quickly
understanding like we don't knowhow to do this.
I have to learn a language, Ihave to get a job, I have to
know the people, know theculture, and so the importance
of prayer on its own, and thenthe importance of an outpouring
of the spirit in terms ofspecifically in this culture,
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which is an animistic culture.
I mean, you walk the markets inBamako I've never seen this
since and I've never seen itbefore like stacks of monkey
heads, like imagine goingthrough.
You know you're going through avery it's like a bizarre of
sorts an outdoor market and theyhave just stacks of monkey
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heads just stacked up and whatthey would use for witchcraft
and different things, and soit's a spiritual people and a
spiritual culture, but animistic, animistic, and so they believe
in those sorts of things.
Of course, what is that goingto get you when they're false
gods and stuff?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
This is great because what we've learned on the
podcast so far is typically inanimistic cultures there's a
tremendous amount of oppressionthat happens, oh yeah, where
they are so held to having to doX, y and Z.
There are certain people thathold all of the power, and so
when the power of God, theliving God, comes in, when the
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light of Christ comes into thoseenvironments, it is almost like
an explosion that happens, yeah, and so that's incredible to
hear already that, like thepower of prayer and healing
people actually being healed,physically healed by the Lord,
god Almighty, that's alreadymaking an impact in that
environment.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Oh yeah, in the film, one of the men who were called
with his family to go to thesevillages that uprooted
themselves the pastor of thechurch there in Bamako felt like
you know made the churchcongregation aware of these
unreached people groups andthrough the spirit he felt like
what he called.
There is a darkness there, butthere is a light on the way, and
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what's interesting that's whywe called the film Light on the
Way is that this man, that wasthe call.
Funny enough, there's light onthe way and it's God in him.
Yeah, so God started doingamazing work.
People started getting healed,people started coming to know
Christ.
They shared the Jesus film,which is a wonderful tool as
well, and people came to knowthe beauty of the gospel.
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And so these two men in twodifferent villages started fruit
, started being born by the workof God, and so I love that idea
of healings.
A lot of times we might likelook at healings and we think
well, that in itself issomething and it's remarkable.
But they saw it as a testimony.
Yeah, it was speaking, a truth,you know, and, of course,
thinking it was evidence to thetruth of the gospel.
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Yes, even a healing.
Even Jesus said in his ministryyou know, you might not this is
my paraphrasing you might notbelieve me, but believe me on
account of the works, like he'seven saying, you might struggle
with my words, but believe theworks that I'm doing and which
is compelling, like when westruggle, we can actually look
at the work of God and garnerfaith in that.
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Seeing like that is that'simpossible, but it happened.
You know and you seehard-hearted people in Jesus's
ministry that just would never,they would deny the works, they
would just look.
It's like they couldn't evensee them.
But in this, by God's grace,people were magnetized and so
God worked.
Now I do want to say in one ofthe families something tragic
had happened.
Three months before we gotthere, his four-year-old
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daughter had passed away frommalaria, and so what's
astonishing is the reality that,yes, there's fruit being born,
there's beauty, there's thegospel spreading and there's
cost and there's sacrifice.
And so even just watching itagain, just even three months in
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as we interview him about this,just seeing even a hint of joy
and faith that there is loss,there's pain but there's reward,
it's like even as I watched itI was like, oh man, I have so
much to learn from this brotherbecause he kept on talking about
my reward is in heaven, like,where your treasures, your heart
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, will be like he's.
Their lives have been set up ina way that their investments
are in this eternal place andLord, you have my daughter and
Lord we're invested.
Eternal place, and Lord, youhave my daughter and Lord, we're
invested.
We're all in on what's to comeeternity with you, and so just
the faith to sustain a marriage.
They buried their daughter inthe bush of Molly and they had a
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gospel service and people heardthe gospel through that and
they believe in the video heshares.
Like this is a seed, seedthat's planted, like his
daughter's, a seed that'splanted believing that it will
bear fruit.
Oh man, if we ever think wehave the market on the gospel or
what ministry looks like orwhatever, lord, let the beauty
of going around the world andseeing different men and women
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of God living out their faith isso formative.
You feel like just I feel likeI'm a kindergartner in faith.
Yes, oh man, I feel like I'm akindergartner in faith.
Yes, oh man, I have so much tolearn from this young man, maybe
the same age, maybe youngerthan me, living out his faith,
having his daughter pass awayand then clinging to hope that
her death was a seed planted inthis.
What a heart of love for thevillage, that even that would be
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something that would spur themon to hope in Christ.
And so, yeah, just eventhinking about it, it's like, oh
man, I have three daughters ofmy own.
So, anyway, god had moved andhere we are documenting and
seeing the fruit, and so westarted interviewing the people
that came to know the Lord, andwe were walking around the
village and it's so funny, Ifeel like we're.
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This is really dumb.
It's like I feel like we'redoofuses.
Wherever we go, I feel like adoofus.
Like we have cameras, we'rejust walking around, we have no
nothing, we're just shooting.
Everything looks remarkablebecause it's outside our context
.
They're probably so fascinatedwith us being so interested in
the most mundane things you knowlike wow, this is amazing wow,
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this is amazing.
We, as we were driving out tothe village we pulled off in
this bigger town before we wentout in the middle of nowhere and
one of the leaders, as we weredriving out there, he has two
chickens and he throws them inour trunk of our car.
Now, chickens and trunks ofcars don't belong together.
It doesn't sound pretty andwe're like why do we have
chickens in the back of our car?
And so we drive out there inthe middle of nowhere and they
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gave me the honor ofslaughtering the chickens with
the dullest knife in the historyof knives.
Now, this is all anecdotes, butit's an interesting thing.
It really had an impact on me.
So they said Peter, we want youto do the honors, and I've
never.
I'm actually I'm the type ofguy that actually captures the
spider, captures the bug andputs it outside.
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And I'm training, training,training my girls Guys, let's,
let's, take it outside.
Um, of course it was a horrificevent to try to kill these
chickens with a dull knife.
But, setting that to side, thenext day, um, I was given a goat
to kill and they assured me theknife was sharper.
So we're shooting, we're doingthis, and they're asked hey,
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we're going to eat this goat andwe're going to cook it right
now.
Would you do the honors?
And with my horrible trackrecord with the chickens, I
don't know what they asked me,but I did and I remember getting
around with Molly and men andit's a different context and
they were like it's an animisticcoaster, they'll sacrifice
animals for the wrong reasonsand they're like they are.
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We're sacrificing it for life.
We're sacrificing it to be ableto eat and provide that meal
for several people.
And so they gathered around andwe huddled over this goat and
they prayed and they wanted justthe right heart posture as we
sacrifice, because many peoplearound that village would
probably think something else ishappening.
And so they prayed and Iremember man, this is really
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emotional thinking back on it.
But they laid the goat down andthey gave me the knife and I
remember this goat looking at upat me and bleeding, like
bleeding as in, like making itsound and um, putting my knife
to its neck and it's no joke.
And I I don't take this veryeasy because, again, I this is
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not what I do, you know and I, Islit the the neck of of this
goat and this crimson, darkblood hits this red dirt and it
just looks like pure black as itcomes out.
And I sat over this goat as itbled out and it was no joke but
it really hit me.
This Malian brother came up tome and was like this is kind of
a rite, what he didn't tell meahead of time.
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He's like this is kind of arite of passage for Molly and
boys and becoming men to kill ananimal.
So he huddled over me in thisvery pastoral moment that he's,
like you know, just staring atthis animal, its life, leaving
its body, and reminding me ofJesus.
You know, reminding me of Jesus, you know reminding me of like
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the perfect lamb.
And so it's just like thisanimal did nothing.
In some sort of smaller way,it's given its life, but Christ
did nothing, did everythingperfectly, and yet he bled out.
How horrible that must havebeen to see his blood hit the
dirt and him be slaughtered.
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So it was very kind, it wasvery kind and generous of this
Malian man who knew English,come up and just like, imagine
Christ and to take the sacrificefor us.
And what a precious thing to doand to know that officially in
Malilly, I'm a man now.
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So, um, that felt good too, but, um, it's an image that comes
to mind, because I think it's animage that came to the um
hebrew minds.
They would know what a sacrificeis yeah they would know the,
the bleeding of a lamb or a goat, they would know that sound,
they know that plea for help andthat I heard and it was it's
kind of just terrible you know,to know what was going to happen
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in that cry for help.
And yet Christ didn't cry forhelp.
I mean, like he even laid hislife down Willingly yeah,
willingly.
Not being held down, himholding himself down by his own
love.
Yes, holding himself.
There weren't nails holding himto a cross, he allowed them.
He's the king of the universe,he's the sovereign of the cosmos
.
He could have pulled it himselfoff, and he would be right to
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do so, but he did.
He held himself there.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Imagine in an animistic culture to hear that
someone willingly bled for them.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Not captured, not held down, but by his own love
and his obedience to the father,his obedience to the father
being led to the slaughter.
And so it's just like an imageand it's something maybe we miss
on our culture to see death.
We put death behind walls, wedon't see it.
Maybe if you're a meat eater,there's death, but we don't put
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those two things together.
But, even in a Hebrew culture atthat time you would understand
death.
And so the image of Christ on across becomes so much more
visceral, the reproach you know,and you think like, well, this
is where the bodies were burned,so they would know the smell
and the disgust, and they had toremove the body.
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And it says Christ goes outsidethe camp, outside the city.
And so you're like going Christ, the perfect lamb of God, the
sinless son of God, going out tothe corpses and the refuse to
go and die.
And so this image sticks in mymind as I even share it.
I wasn't expecting to, but it'slike, it's funny, turned
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profound to me that I look backand I'm like I think of Christ
and I think of the horrificimage of him on that cross and
seeing the blood, his bloodsmacking the dirt and the most
grievous, most beautiful thingever you know, the worst and
best thing you know, happeningall at once.
And so it's very formative forme and it gave me a taste.
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You know, I grew up in Illinois, I live in Austin, texas.
I don't see death, I don't seedeath, I don't.
I don't see blood.
Often I have kids, I see blooda little bit, but it's like.
But seeing this, this death,and being so intimately in
contact with it, is very movingto me and so many of us in our
Western culture.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
We know the end of the story of the gospel.
Like we don't truly take thetime to struggle through the
sacrifice and the death of Jesus.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Because we want to run to the empty tomb quickly,
because that that is thebeautiful story of God's, not
only God's sovereignty, but thefact that God, that Jesus
himself, was God.
But for us, we don't pictureJesus's blood hitting the dirt.
Yeah, and you had an encounterthat causes you to look at that
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differently.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, and again, I'm so thankful that I was cared for
by my brother, my Malianbrother, who had come up and
care for me as a.
You know like I wanted to takeit serious.
I didn't want to just to comeand again what?
What a discipling moment for me.
I'm a grown man you know, like,oh, what do I have to learn
about the cross of Christ?
Are you kidding me?
I have so much to learn aboutthe cross of Christ, and to sit
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in the turmoil and the brutalityand the ugliness and the beauty
, the beauty of it.
It's an interesting thing to becovered in the blood of Christ.
It's like what you know, it'slike it was something so
terrible, something so beautiful.
That's the beauty of the gospelitself is so terrible and so
unfair.
Christ, this is a perfect lamb,and I'm a rebel.
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I'm a defiant rebel of God,dead in my sins and
transgressions, and here's thisperfect lamb that lays his life
down for us.
You know, it's just like.
So I'm thankful for the Lord tobe met Now.
Again, this is God'ssovereignty in my moment, and if
you're hearing this, this isGod's work for you too.
I'm sitting in front of themicrophone and having to
experience this because maybeGod, in his sovereignty, wants
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me to share it.
I wasn't planning on it, Ihaven't even gotten to my story
yet.
Think we do, maybe misssacrifice that I think maybe the
hebrew, the israelite wouldunderstand, they would
understand the cries, thescreams, the blood, and yet, and
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so when christ's story and thatsacrifice comes to mind.
It's different.
What about that, with theperson not only a person, but a
perfect person?
What?
Not only a perfect person, butthe perfect son of God, god
himself dying in Christ, beingthe one to bleed out.
So it's like ugh.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So the story is called Light on the Way.
Light on the Way If anyonewants to go watch it.
There's no animals killed, noanimals killed in the making of
this film.
Yes, yes, but I do want to makesure that everybody, if they
want to take an opportunity togo and watch some of the story.
It's called Light on the Way.
It's on the website at MovingWorks.
But I want to make sure that webutton up a little bit of the
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story, because there's a part ofthe story that's really
impactful just specifically towhat you talked about earlier.
You talked about two differentvalues of prayer and also
healing, and there's a storyabout healing that I want to
make sure you get an opportunityto tell.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, yeah.
And so we're walking throughthe village kind of on a tour.
One of the pastors was sharing,you know, the church, the
missionary who was there sharingthe village with us and we're
walking around seeing differentsites and we're invited into
this cluster of huts and soimagine, like a kind of a mud
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hut, and these things arewonderful structures.
They're not like rudimentary,the elements will get in, it is
like they know how to engineerthese things, but a cluster of
them in such a way that itcreates like almost like a sea.
If you're looking from aboveyou would see a sea of connected
homes.
And we are invited into thiscircle, the sea and this family
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is there.
They're coming out, greeting us.
So there's a hospitality too.
There's not a hostility,there's a hospitality, and I
think we are beneficiaries of agood witness.
So this church planter, theyknow him, he's a good witness,
he's a life-giving personbecause Christ is in him, and so
we're invited in and of coursethey're speaking in different
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languages.
We're not sure what's going onand we learn that the matriarch
of this family, this woman,can't come out to visit us, and
so kind to even consider thefact that she would need to in
any way, but she regrets shecouldn't.
The family said she's sick, youknow, seriously ill, and she
can't come out.
So they regret her lack ofappearance and and so we're
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sitting there.
Of course we're learning.
And again, this is why I feellike we're doofuses.
We don't know what we're.
We're just kind of like what dowe do next?
You know, we're just likepeople that don't know what
we're doing and so, throughlanguage and interpretation,
they're like would someone liketo pray for her?
And they chose my friend, chris, who had traveled with me.
He and I were I need help, youwant to come?
And he's like sure, I'll come.
Well, we went to Egypt and wewent to Mali and he was like,
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yeah, I'll pray.
And so he prayed and you know,there wasn't anything
specifically to this prayer.
That was, I don't even knowChris's heart.
I'm sure he was like well, theright thing to do is pray for
the healing of this woman.
And we prayed and it was one ofthose things that you pray and
you go, okay, and then everyoneagrees that we prayed and we
leave, and so we do the rest ofthe much.
(26:12):
We got word once we got backthat after that prayer the woman
was miraculously healed.
And what had happened?
The family in that home.
They set out to the streetssaying the God of the Christians
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healed our mother.
And suddenly this cluster ofhomes becomes a launching pad
for little missionaries,declaring the power.
Again, going back to the storyhealing is a testimony.
Yes, the power of God at work.
And now that I've never put thetwo together, but literally what
he said in the interview daysbefore we went out there healing
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is a testimony.
Suddenly, healing results intestimony.
So the family members take tothe streets.
The God of the Christians noteven that guy from America, you
know the God of the Christianshealed.
And what was Chris's prayer?
I'm sure Chris, my brother, myfriend, has prayed for healing
before, you know, and I'm suresometimes, maybe, sometimes, no,
(27:17):
sometimes, yeah, well, in thistime, yes, yes, definitely, that
god used my brother in hishumble prayer.
Probably I would say I wouldlack faith.
I wasn't boy, he's, thiswoman's being healed right here
now.
You know, I didn't have thatfaith.
I was just like, okay, cool,we're gonna pray.
We're a little part of this.
This is nice.
And probably having my mind onother things and knowing me
(27:39):
probably like, what are we goingto do next?
Almost like it's a nice gesture.
Oh, this is what we're supposedto do.
This is a Christianly thing.
This is a nice gesture.
We pray for you.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Not expecting the.
God of creation, the God of theuniverse to come down and say
done, yeah, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
And so it goes to show like who God is and who we
are.
Again, you know, we take thehammer to the nail and toy
around with it and he's like I'mgoing to punch this thing in
myself.
And I believe he did.
And he did it for purpose, itwasn't a one-off.
He did it to create faith and atestimony to the village, and
so I don't know what happenedbeyond that, but for that
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testimony going out by throughthe voices of those who didn't
even know God, the God of theChristians, the God of the
Christians in an Islamicstronghold, an animistic
stronghold, suddenly there's newmissionary voices going out
saying the God of the Christianhas of the Christians, have
power.
And so you go back and what aprivilege it is to go back to a
(28:40):
place where there is fertilesoil for this sort of thing.
And I think this is maybeunfortunately.
There are some qualities wehave here in the States that are
lovely for a certain theologyand things like that and
knowledge and understanding, butcertainly we might lack faith
to believe.
And I credit God because I feltlike goodness, I didn't.
(29:01):
I even when I heard I'm likewhat you know, like it wasn't
even on the table Like surprise,yeah, it's like well, of course
.
And I've known people that arelike well, of course.
And I brought my brothers, myMalian brothers were like well,
of course, yeah, they weren'tprobably going.
What they were probably going,yeah, cause that's who God is
and that's it's a necessity.
And, again, going back to faith, it's a necessity that that's
(29:24):
who God is for where they are intheir lives.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It's not just a theological principle that he
can.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's an absolute belief that he will.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You know Jesus and our disciples is a necessity.
That he said pray, that yousaid heal, and they're like this
better work, like I'm out hereon a limb if it doesn't, you
know.
And so it's like Lord, keep usin a place where faith is
required, not strategy, notintellect, not schedule, but
trust in the spirit.
(29:55):
And certainly, again, I'm surethose men were like yeah, this
is what God does, this is whoGod is.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And I'm sure those men were like, yeah, this is
what God does, this is who Godis.
And I think these films thatyou're creating much like maybe
these episodes of these podcasts.
They almost serve as likeEbenezer stones, these stones of
remembrance, Like we can goback and we can look at the work
that God did, because it's soeasy for us to forget.
So, man, thank you for sharingthat story, and that was very,
(30:25):
very conv?
Uh, the way that we approachand operate in faith in our
Western context.
And so, man, I appreciate thata lot.
So we've talked a lot about um.
You know two episodes worth ofgoing to different remote places
to hear the stories of whatGod's doing there.
And you know, having you guysget lost in the jungle in the
Amazon and having you guystrudge through the bush to these
different places with theseguys that have called to leave
(30:45):
their city and go out into thewilderness.
Let's also hit this one laststory about not going
necessarily out into thewilderness but having an
environment where somebody feelscalled to go to a place where
the remote places of the worldare actually coming to them.
So it's, let's go to the portin Hamburg, germany.
(31:05):
You have a really cool storythat I think our people would
love to hear from that.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
So we're in Hamburg, germany,filming stories, and we had a
collection of stories we'refilming and again, you know
Germany, there's very minorityof Christian there and we were
going to tell German storiesthat would speak to the German
people, that they could share,and not that many testimonies
there at all in terms of justfilms.
That would be effective.
So we wanted to serve and,funny enough, as we were filming
(31:30):
, we lost a couple stories andwe're like, oh man, you know,
some story subjects had to backout and we usually shoot a
collection of stories.
And we had a church service andwe met this guy his name was
Martin and we started talking tohim just randomly and he was a
very lovely guy, knew Englishand we were just a really soft,
(31:52):
genuine person and as we weretalking to him we learned about
what he does, and what he doesis so beautiful and such a
wonderful calling.
So what he does, he used to workat the Port of Hamburg.
Now the Port of Hamburg is thesecond largest port in all of
Europe, so you have hugecontainer ships, cruise ships,
(32:12):
resources coming in from allover the world into this massive
port and he used to work thereas like just on the business end
, like work in the I don't evenknow what you do, but he just
accounting or whatever in thebusiness end side of things.
And.
But God stirred his heart as hesaw more and more what's called
seafarers come in Now.
(32:33):
These are men from all over theworld that work on container
ships and ships from differentplaces that come into port to
port and they are out there ontheir own for like nine months
out of the year straight.
So these are men who are tryingto earn money for their
families that are gone fromtheir families nine out of 12
(32:54):
months a year.
And a lot of these guys fromlike Southeast Asia, places like
that.
Yeah, unreached people.
A lot of them are Filipino, alot of them, yeah.
So Martin works at the portsand God stirred his heart for
these seafarers.
Men that work all over theworld, come from many Southeast
Asian countries that work onthese ships, and his heart broke
for them.
And so God called him to go andvisit them on the ships.
(33:18):
So he, as a full-timemissionary, became a missionary
to go on these ships as theycame in.
A floating missionary, afloating missionary, a floating
people group just floating intohim.
That's amazing.
So he and his wife, monica soMartin and Monica, they decided
to buy a house about 10 minutesfrom the port of Hamburg.
The intentionality is be asclose to the ports as possible.
(33:40):
And he, he has a computer wherehe logs and sees what ships
come in and from where they were, what is their native language,
what all this stuff.
And he orients his life aboutgoing ship to ship to ship, and
so we're learning.
First of all, we're in thischurch like what is this guy?
You know this is awesome, youknow it's like god.
We lost some stories, but itseems like you might be giving
(34:00):
us one, and so we're like dude,this is so incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, crazy story.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
So we were like Martin, can we go?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
on the ships with you .
Speaker 3 (34:08):
You know, first of all, again, it's like this would
be cool.
I've never been on one of theseships.
And then what a beautifulministry.
And so he's like, yeah, come.
And so probably within a day ortwo we're at his house, we're
filming, and his story is solovely, I mean, he's just such a
gentle.
I please watch this.
What's the name of the story?
The Messenger.
I think it's a beautifulportrait of a heart captured by
(34:30):
Jesus, and a heart for those whodon't know him.
Lovely man, martin and Monica.
And so we join him, we interviewhim and we're like let's go out
on a boat.
So join him, we interview himand we had like let's go out on
a boat.
So our first boat experiencewas we went out onto a ship and
it's a big one, and I mean it'slike so you know, we're talking
about container ships that crossthe oceans, sort of things.
(34:51):
These are container ships thatpirates sometimes attack, you
know.
So there's a, there's a hint ofdanger, there's loneliness,
there's a lack of, I'm sure,there's temptations out to sea,
there's many things.
And so these ships come in andwe go on a boat and the
interesting thing is we just metMartin.
He invited us on.
(35:12):
We have cameras.
We don't know if we're allowedto shoot.
We're like Martin, what do wedo here?
And he's like just come on andI have the small camera and so
we're filming.
But I'm like I feel totallyuncomfortable because we're just
invaded this thing.
I don't want to upset hisministry, break trust or
whatever, but we're halfwayfilming, halfway not, it's our
first ship.
(35:32):
He goes on and he immediatelystarts talking to this guy and I
start filming.
And this is our firstexperience.
And we end up going on fourships altogether through two
different trips to Germany.
And our first encounter.
He comes and he starts sharingwith this guy and it's the
captain of this massive ship.
And I'm not kidding you, withinthe span of I would say, about
(35:55):
five to 10 minutes, this guy'sin tears.
I mean just immediately likethis guy's in tears.
I'm like just immediately, likethis guy's in tears.
I'm like I was filming a littlebit.
Then I was like I better notfilm.
You know, I don't want, I don'tknow what to do.
But here's the interestingthing about it Now, as soon as
you step on the ship, it's anEnglish language ship.
(36:18):
Suddenly, all the ships it'skind of like airlines, like the
language of an industry isEnglish, and so it's lovely.
When you've only been here inGermany and shooting films,
suddenly everything becomesEnglish and it's like, did Lord
give me discernment?
I can hear language, but sohe's just sharing the gospel and
it cuts this guy to the heart.
It's Pentecost, right, there'scut to the heart and immediately
I think this guy had someinteractions with Christianity,
(36:42):
kind of knew it, but it's likejust a heart of repentance and
brokenness swept upon this guy.
And, of course, me being me, Ididn't shoot any of it and so I
was like, because you know, I'mlike, I don't know what I can or
can't, or if there's a genuineministry opportunity which
actually we're there to shoot, Idon't want to hinder as well.
So it puts you in a reallyinteresting spot and sometimes I
(37:02):
lean on the let's, not becauseI don't want to disrupt the main
thing.
Oh, we got it, but we suredisrupted his heart, you know.
So I didn't get it specifically, but I got them interacting
afterwards.
But it was just, and even sucha pivot from conviction to joy,
because this guy was cut to theheart in certain areas of his
life and recognizing his needfor God.
(37:24):
And then this is what shouldhappen a cut to a heart,
repentance and then joy, becauseMartin shared the gospel again
to this guy.
If he had heard it, I don'tknow if he'd heard it once or
none, but just a sweeping joyand just suddenly a brotherly
affection with these two as theytalked and discussed, and I
(37:44):
mean then, then suddenly weunderstood we could shoot,
because it's like our house isyour house.
Suddenly this Filipino I believehe was Filipino hospitality
kicked in and it's like the shipis ours and we got to go film
and do whatever.
And he's got.
He's the captain of thismassive ship.
Now, the interesting thingabout these massive ships that
are and we're talking so manyfootball fields, you know, and
(38:04):
so many stories it's like askyscraper on end out to sea.
There's only like 20 people onthe ship still working it, but
they're constantly working it.
And so then, martin, what hedoes is he meets.
He's such a I think God hasgiven such a soft heart and such
a almost like a reversehospitality.
He comes into their house andyet they feel welcome.
(38:26):
It's just like a specialtenderness to him.
So he sets up shop.
Now here's the interesting thingas well he wears like a
captain's outfit, so it's almostlike he says he wears it
because he wants to honor theship, he wants to honor their
environment.
So he's dressed as if you might, if you were a captain to some
(38:47):
degree, you know, white shirt,collar, you know like kind of
things on the shoulders he wantsto honor, and sometimes he has
a captain's hat and it's just tosome people they might think,
well, this, this little cheesy,you know what is this, you know.
But it's like when you get toknow Martin she's like, oh yeah,
that's right and actually it'sbeautiful.
And so he goes and he sets upin like a commons area Usually
there's where they eat and he'lllay out.
He's written books.
So God stirred him so much thatover this time with seafarers
(39:10):
he's learned more about theneeds and the loneliness and the
temptation that they face andhe's wrote several books
specifically to seafarers.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
And so books a ton of time to kill for these guys,
yes.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
What more do they have than time?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
So they're out to sea .
What a great resource for them.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, so he writes books, gives them away and
preaches the gospel.
So he just goes and people comeand now here's the thing.
You think, well, this is weird,a stranger coming on and having
a presentation and people showup, but they're out to see, they
want a new face, you know, andthey'll come and they'll sit and
they'll enjoy and they'll laugh, and he shares the gospel and
(39:47):
they're hungry for new news.
Give us something new news andhe shares the good news, the
newest and best and greatest andoldest news there is, and so he
shares the gospel.
And man, there's so much I wantto say about this.
But so, by what we learnedabout Martin as well, he goes
ship to ship.
You know.
He can do three ships in a day,five ships in a day.
Sometimes he's on one ship formultiple days because a cruise
(40:10):
line shows up and there'll behundreds, hundreds of workers.
Now their conditions on thecruise ship might actually be
worse than and this is kind of aconvicting thing the conditions
for people who work on cruiseships can be pretty rough, and
so, as people are whining anddining and enjoying luxury, many
(40:33):
of the workers are in difficultscenarios, and he knows ships
that treat their workers well,and some that don't, and so,
even then, coming and servingpeople that are hurting and
stuff, and as they serve peoplewho are living it up, and so
it's just an interesting world.
You know, met with that.
But he can preach the gospel tolike 200 people at once, or two
, or one in that moment when wefirst got on the ship, or 12 or
(40:55):
whatever.
But he goes ship to ship, notdistinct, prioritizing one over
another.
As he has access, he goes andthey let him on and in many
cases, martin, there you are,you know they've been there
before and they know him and soit's beautiful.
And then, as we got to know himand film a story we see, like
his, he has a book and it's likeit's almost like a book you
(41:16):
would sign at a wedding, butit's his home and so we he
starts kind of opening his bookand sharing it with us.
This guy's reached the nations.
I mean we're talking a countryyou didn't know exists.
Yes, that country, all the wayto countries there's no way
you'd get in.
So Iran and you know, like, ohmy gosh, like so many African
(41:38):
nations and so many fromSoutheast Asia that have come to
his house.
He has a photo book of peoplefrom all over the world.
So over the years, not only hashe gone on the ships, but he
recognizes that these peoplehave never been invited into any
home, and so now they're comingto his home celebrating
Christmas.
(41:58):
There's one picture of himcelebrating Christmas on a
Chinese ship, so celebrating thebirth of Christ with a bunch of
like probably 30 to 40 Chinesemen, and never know of Jesus.
He would never get to China,but China comes to him.
So, martin and Monica, they'rein their home.
Yeah, they're inviting folksinto their home yeah, so you see
(42:20):
them To show the hospitalityand the love of Christ, yeah,
and so then they get letterswritten to them saying like my
husband's never been invitedanywhere in all his time out to
sea, wow, and you invited him in.
And so letters and care andreading the, just the, the, the
encouragements of the people whohad been there and they know
(42:40):
and they celebrate, and so it'slike man, god's super, duper,
creative, he sends us to thenations.
We're the nations, right we're.
We're people that wereunreached and God sent people.
You know, like God sent peopleto us and now we get to go to
people, and then sometimes hesends the nations to you and he
sends you right, 10 minutesoutside your house, but you also
.
What a step of obedience forhim to follow.
(43:02):
One have a heart of compassionand love and mercy for the lost,
for the seafarers specifically.
Imagine this that God gives aheart for the seafarer.
Like many of you people, I'massuming it was true for me,
didn't even know that was a word.
Yeah, and so now, but God hasraised up one, taken a dead
(43:23):
person, made him alive, givenhim a heart for the lost and
making his heart for the lost aspecific people group known as
seafarers, and then doing it inhis own hometown and doing it,
you know, inspiring him in sucha way that he would move to be
so close that if he heard a shipcan come and he can go.
Now this is a spoiler alert butI want to brag about God's work
(43:43):
in Martin and Monica.
He has been on over.
He kept on lowering the number,but I will give the range to
respect him.
I think the math is about35,000 ships over his time.
He says, just for safety andmake sure we go low.
It's like, say, 25, but it'slike 25 to 35,000 ships and much
(44:06):
more, probably even by now.
25 to 35,000 ships and muchmore probably even by now.
And he has gotten to.
If I did the math, my numbersand taking out low averages.
I think he's preached the gospelover to about half a million
people, personally Unbelievable.
He says put.
I think he said put 250,000,but that's his humility.
He has no heart for ego.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
You know, it's just like a love of Christ.
Just a cool 250,000.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Lower it by 250.
Wow, that's what Christ hasdone.
Took a broken guy, and here'sthe thing.
Funny enough, he actuallywanted to study for a whole
other thing, I think, like ineconomics.
He didn't pass the test, though.
He did something in economics,but he failed, and so he started
doing this stuff at the docksand, and so he started doing
this stuff at the docks and thenhe saw the seafarers and had a
heart for them.
(44:51):
And so it's funny.
It's like even when thingsdon't go your way, you know we
get lost in the Amazon, or youfail a test for a career you
really wanted God isorchestrating something.
If we're porous or if we'remalleable to his touch, we can
be formed into something.
And if we not reject it, notfight it, man, it's beautiful,
(45:11):
the sculptor he is and what hecan make.
And so, martin and Monica,their faithfulness again, this
is Christ in them.
When we're looking at a personI say names, it's Christ in them
that we're talking about.
And so it's just like man,whether it be brothers and
sisters in Mali, no-transcript.
(45:49):
This is what God's doing allover the globe right now, as
we're sitting in front ofmicrophones in Austin, texas.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Man, what a privilege that God's given you the
opportunity to capture and tellthose stories.
Yes, thank you so much.
That story's called theMessenger.
The Messenger, okay, yes, andso again, for everybody who
wants to go and check out someof these stories at moving works
the messenger, go and watchthat.
You can find it there.
I think in three seasons ofthis podcast, that may be one of
the most unique and awesomestories that I've heard.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah, martin's story is incredible, thank you so much
and and again.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
You just outlined the .
You know how God uses certaincircumstances.
Martin, wasn't even the subjectof the story that y'all are
going to capture.
No, he wasn't the reason thatyou guys were there.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, that's, that's God.
Right, Again, I said thisearlier.
I think we're kind of buffoonsand it's like we're going there.
It's like I do tell people wego to cultures that we don't
know the language, we don't knowthe culture, we don't know the
context as much, and I just saywe're kindergartners, we're
probably preschoolers, but youknow, we, we bump into him and
(46:50):
God had orchestrated this thing.
And it's a freeing thing tounderstand.
You're in the hands of asovereign God.
Yes, that when you losesomething, that's okay.
If you gain something, don'tput too much on it.
It's his, it's all his and he'sorchestrating something.
Again.
This is where I go back to thefact that in the first
discussion it's like this is Godforming something in me.
This is God's privilege andkindness and care and ministry
(47:11):
to me, extended to you.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
So, like, who's the beneficiary of movement works?
Peter Craig is the beneficiary.
He could be so lavish to createa ministry only for me.
Now, by God's grace, it'sbeyond that, and that might
sound like a little egotistical.
No, I think he's that generousand kind to.
Actually he gave the mostvaluable thing in the cosmos the
most valuable being there isChrist himself for little or
(47:36):
less he would make a ministryjust to remind me how good he is
.
Now I get to be thatbeneficiary and this is where I
think at the beginning he calledus to worship him.
He called called not to makefilms but to worship.
And I get to worship because Iget to see how good he is and
from that comes an honest fruitof worship Because I'm like
(47:57):
you're awesome.
Even as I discuss it, I'mreinstilled with zeal for the
Lord Because it's like yeah,you're awesome All credit goes
to him.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Man Peter, thank you so much for taking time to tell
these stories, for being on fortwo episodes, Just from our
audience.
Man, just I want to extend sucha thanks to you, Like what an
incredible opportunity we've hadto just journey around the
world with you and hear some ofthese stories.
Man, how can people stayconnected to what God's doing in
Moving Works?
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Moving Works.
We're a nonprofit, you knowpeople can go on and visit
movingworksorg.
All our films are free.
You can download, re-upload.
We don't mind if you take ourfilm, download it and re-upload
it on your Facebook, yourYouTube.
We don't care about views.
We really want the message outthere.
We also have a study guide with25 of our films that if you
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guys, if anyone's interested ina study, a film study, where you
watch a film, you get intoScripture, you discuss, it's
great for discipleship groups orsmall groups or whatever it
might be youth ministry, we givethose away.
Everything we make we give away.
That's what God said to do.
Every one of our films has astudy guide with it.
So a lot of them.
(49:02):
I think we have around 70 to 80different films you can watch.
So I just we want to extend theinvitation to enjoy the beauty
and grace of the Lord, and Iwill say this these are crayon
drawings.
Jesus is so good, so beautiful.
They don't scratch the surfaceof his beauty, but he invites us
in, and so it's our honor to beable to make these films and
(49:23):
share them.
Also, honestly, if you have aheart for Jesus, you have
filmmaking skills.
We always love to talk, topartner with more people, to
join the team and worship Jesuswith us.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Thank you so much for being on the show, man.
It's just been a pleasure tohear these stories and to travel
with you.
Man, would you mind praying forus here at the end?
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yes, Lord, thank you so much for your grace as I
share.
It's just grace.
It's certainly not us, it's you.
Thank you, for I'm going topray a selfish prayer.
Thank you for my time at MovingWorks, where I've gotten to see
your beautiful, sovereign,mighty, loving hand at work all
(49:59):
over the world, and what a grace.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for this podcast,thank you for the opportunity to
share, giving me thisopportunity to brag about you.
You're so good and we're soflawed, and I want to confess
like I don't see thingsperfectly, I don't get it right,
and if there's anything not ofyou and even as I've shared,
lord, let it go away.
(50:19):
But if there is something thatyou want to speak through your
spirit, through what has beenshared, I ask that you do it,
that you really encourage, thatyou convict, that you remind
people to look up and marvelover the beauty, the beauty of
Christ.
And so, lord, thank you.
I just want to very, verysimply go back to the gospel.
(50:42):
Thank you, christ, for yourperfect life, your as we
discussed brutal death and yourglorious resurrection, because
you love us.
That doesn't make sense, butyou love us and I thank you so
much for that.
So, lord, it's all because ofyou and we want to give you the
praise, honor and glory, andit's in Jesus' name we pray.
(51:04):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
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In Revelation 7, john shares his vision of heaven,
with members from every tribe,tongue, people and language
standing in the throne roombefore the Lamb.
Yet today there are still over7,000 unreached people groups
around the world.
For the last six years, myfamily and friends have been on
a journey to find, vet and fundthe task remaining.
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Come journey with us to theends of the earth as we share
the supernatural stories of Godat work for the men and women he
has called to reach theunreached.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hello friends, and welcome to another episode of
the Unreached Podcast.
I am Clint Hudson, your host,and I am back, as promised, with
our friend Peter Craig ofMoving Works, our last episode.
Peter told some incrediblestories, not only about how God
was working in his life andhelping him to dispel the idols
that he had in his life as afilmmaker and how he felt
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compelled to do this work thatwas Christ centered, and not
only to do it for the Lord, totell God's stories of him at
work around the world, but alsoto give it away for free and he
told that story.
But also he took us down toAmazon and told a story about
getting lost in the jungle onthe river and how God used that
to plant a church and to see hiskingdom come in the Amazon.
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Just an incredible story.
If you haven't listened to thatone, take a second pause, go
back and listen to our lastepisode.
But I also promised on the lastepisode that we were going to
pick up in the bush of Mali,going to some remote villages,
and so we're back with PeterCraig today.
Peter, take us out into thebush, take us to Mali.
Where are we heading today?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So it was funny enough.
Actually, now that I thinkabout it, it was about a month
later, from having gone to theAmazon, that God called us to go
to Mali.
Now Mali is in Western Africa.
It's an oddly shaped country.
Now imagine this Timbuktu is inMali.
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So if you ever use the metaphor, Timbuktu, this is in Mali.
So it's in the middle ofnowhere.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I literally learned this today.
Thank you, because I saidTimbuktu.
I used that illustrationyesterday.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Like we got to drive all the way to Timbuktu.
I'm talking about West Austin.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yes, but gotcha, yes.
So imagine Timbuktu, theliteral Timbuktu.
It's in Mali, so now onopposite sides of Mali, but it
is a remote place.
And now here's the beauty ofwhat we get to do.
We at Moving Works, we don'tknow all the stories and God has
designed it in such a way thatwe are reliant on the body of
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Christ to find stories andpartner to film the stories.
So, god in his grace, Iremember years ago I mentioned
earlier in the first podcastthat Romans says anything that
doesn't proceed from faith issin, which is like what?
So I started changing myprayers.
I'm like God, if this is true,lord, that moving works for us.
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My prayers, I'm like God, thisis true, lord, at Moving Works
for us, keep us in a place wherefaith is required, not strategy
, not strength, not intellect,not personality, whatever skill
set, even like faith, lord, helpus be dependent on you and God
has designed I'm so thankful Godhas designed our ministry to be
reliant.
We can't do things on our own.
We actually have to partnerwith ministries and people and
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we go to countries whereactually what we do at Moving
Works is actually go tocountries where Christianity is
small and there are fewresources to share the gospel in
their language and culture andcontext.
And so we make films in foreignlanguages and we need so much
help.
We don't know the languageswhen we're making the films.
We actually don't, and so we'relike, we're so dependent, and
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so God has been faithful toprovide partnership over the
years with people, and so atthis point, the reason we I know
nothing about Molly it wasn't adream I had or an ambition I
had.
I got connected with a ministrycalled Reach the Rest and they
had a good work in Mollyaliwhere they go, and their
strategy is to go to findbelievers and churches in a
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country and share the beliefthat, say, a church can send
missionaries out to unreachedpeople in their own country and
so it's better than a Westernerjust showing up in the bush of
Mali.
And so they go and they shareGod's heart for the nations in
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countries and they find leadersin that context or nearby
context, the approximate context, to share the gospel and uproot
their lives to go to anunreached people within their
own country.
I learned about all this as wewere kind of getting ready to
film and it's beautiful.
So we fly to Bamako, mali thisis the capital city and we go to
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a church, you know, and again,churches are different in
different countries, which isbeautiful, so formative to see
worship in different languages,in different contexts.
And so we are based out ofBamako and then traveled to what
is called they refer to as theBush of Mali, but it's along
what they call the Kida Road,and it was interesting, there's
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an interesting history, but thisroad was built out into the
middle of nowhere and it allowedus to kind of travel out there.
I mean, I think the road wasbuilt across Western Mali.
I don't know if it goes throughthe country entirely, but by
God's grace there's a road.
So, praise God, I think eventhe Chinese built the road.
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I don't know what theirambitions, but they don't know
they're advancing the gospel.
That's all they're doing.
I think there's, you knowthere's China's doing different
things in different countries.
They built the Qaeda road thatenabled us, enabled these
missionaries, to get out in themiddle of nowhere to the Qaeda
Malinke people, and so God hadraised up two men in Bamako with
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families.
So imagine this if you're inBamako and you're moving to the
bush of Mali, that's like usmoving to the Amazon.
It's not like closer, it's notlike.
Well, you know it's in theirown country.
This is uprooting everything.
And so I look back and again, Iwatched this film as well.
It's called Light on the Way,the movie we shot.
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I'm so bowled over.
We shot.
I'm so bowled over.
But honestly, I can just take amoment to be really stirred in
an awe of God's work in ourbrothers and sisters around the
globe.
Because, watching this film, Isee these men and women, these
husbands and their wives andtheir children, going out in the
middle of nowhere and this isnot a safe place for them either
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.
So they're Christians goingamongst they're mostly Muslim
villagers, and it's dangerousout there.
I mean, it's just, you'revulnerable, you're exposed, and
Bamako is a city where you canhave an apartment.
There you're living in a mudhut and, honestly, you're just
living very, very basically.
And so these two men, ourstories about these two men were
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sent to these two villages topreach the gospel, and so our
story was to document whathappened in the time that
they're there.
So we went out there and it wasjust beautiful to see these
guys and it's difficult, it'schallenging God's work there.
But what had happened?
Just to spoiler alert for thefilm certainly God had used them
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to reach so many people.
They don't know their language.
This isn't when you go tocountries.
It's not like, oh well, it'sone country in Africa, they're
all speaking the same language.
No, of course.
I mean you could move 10 milesin the opposite direction and
have to learn.
It's like me learning Italiansuddenly, absolutely you know.
And so these guys had to learnlanguages, had to get jobs, and
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then started just sharing thegood news.
And so they had been there, Ibelieve at that time a few years
, with their families, and juststarted laboring.
So I'm setting this all up, forthis is what we're filming.
We're going to film this story,and the work that God had done
was stunning.
Hundreds of people had come toknow Christ by that time already
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, and so God was working, andlooking back on the film, what
I'm stirred by is the reality ofhow he had done it.
They show up and again, this isthe Lord, and distinctly
through two different things.
How God used One was prayer.
So just showing up, not knowingthe language, not knowing the
culture.
So just showing up, not knowingthe language, not knowing the
culture, and being embedded withthe people.
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That might definitely see youas an outsider, or maybe even in
a hostile manner, the necessityof prayer, that they attest God
, using just prayer to reach thepeople, and in many ways it is
through prayer, plus anoutpouring of the Spirit that
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was very specific, which ishealing.
So two mechanisms getting thereand really quickly
understanding like we don't knowhow to do this.
I have to learn a language, Ihave to get a job, I have to
know the people, know theculture, and so the importance
of prayer on its own, and thenthe importance of an outpouring
of the spirit in terms ofspecifically in this culture,
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which is an animistic culture.
I mean, you walk the markets inBamako I've never seen this
since and I've never seen itbefore like stacks of monkey
heads, like imagine goingthrough.
You know you're going through avery it's like a bizarre of
sorts an outdoor market and theyhave just stacks of monkey
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heads just stacked up and whatthey would use for witchcraft
and different things, and soit's a spiritual people and a
spiritual culture, but animistic, animistic, and so they believe
in those sorts of things.
Of course, what is that goingto get you when they're false
gods and stuff?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
This is great because what we've learned on the
podcast so far is typically inanimistic cultures there's a
tremendous amount of oppressionthat happens, oh yeah, where
they are so held to having to doX, y and Z.
There are certain people thathold all of the power, and so
when the power of God, theliving God, comes in, when the
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light of Christ comes into thoseenvironments, it is almost like
an explosion that happens, yeah, and so that's incredible to
hear already that, like thepower of prayer and healing
people actually being healed,physically healed by the Lord,
god Almighty, that's alreadymaking an impact in that
environment.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Oh yeah, in the film, one of the men who were called
with his family to go to thesevillages that uprooted
themselves the pastor of thechurch there in Bamako felt like
you know made the churchcongregation aware of these
unreached people groups andthrough the spirit he felt like
what he called.
There is a darkness there, butthere is a light on the way, and
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what's interesting that's whywe called the film Light on the
Way is that this man, that wasthe call.
Funny enough, there's light onthe way and it's God in him.
Yeah, so God started doingamazing work.
People started getting healed,people started coming to know
Christ.
They shared the Jesus film,which is a wonderful tool as
well, and people came to knowthe beauty of the gospel.
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And so these two men in twodifferent villages started fruit
, started being born by the workof God, and so I love that idea
of healings.
A lot of times we might likelook at healings and we think
well, that in itself issomething and it's remarkable.
But they saw it as a testimony.
Yeah, it was speaking, a truth,you know, and, of course,
thinking it was evidence to thetruth of the gospel.
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Yes, even a healing.
Even Jesus said in his ministryyou know, you might not this is
my paraphrasing you might notbelieve me, but believe me on
account of the works, like he'seven saying, you might struggle
with my words, but believe theworks that I'm doing and which
is compelling, like when westruggle, we can actually look
at the work of God and garnerfaith in that.
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Seeing like that is that'simpossible, but it happened.
You know and you seehard-hearted people in Jesus's
ministry that just would never,they would deny the works, they
would just look.
It's like they couldn't evensee them.
But in this, by God's grace,people were magnetized and so
God worked.
Now I do want to say in one ofthe families something tragic
had happened.
Three months before we gotthere, his four-year-old
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daughter had passed away frommalaria, and so what's
astonishing is the reality that,yes, there's fruit being born,
there's beauty, there's thegospel spreading and there's
cost and there's sacrifice.
And so even just watching itagain, just even three months in
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as we interview him about this,just seeing even a hint of joy
and faith that there is loss,there's pain but there's reward,
it's like even as I watched itI was like, oh man, I have so
much to learn from this brotherbecause he kept on talking about
my reward is in heaven, like,where your treasures, your heart
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, will be like he's.
Their lives have been set up ina way that their investments
are in this eternal place andLord, you have my daughter and
Lord we're invested.
Eternal place, and Lord, youhave my daughter and Lord, we're
invested.
We're all in on what's to comeeternity with you, and so just
the faith to sustain a marriage.
They buried their daughter inthe bush of Molly and they had a
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gospel service and people heardthe gospel through that and
they believe in the video heshares.
Like this is a seed, seedthat's planted, like his
daughter's, a seed that'splanted believing that it will
bear fruit.
Oh man, if we ever think wehave the market on the gospel or
what ministry looks like orwhatever, lord, let the beauty
of going around the world andseeing different men and women
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of God living out their faith isso formative.
You feel like just I feel likeI'm a kindergartner in faith.
Yes, oh man, I feel like I'm akindergartner in faith.
Yes, oh man, I have so much tolearn from this young man, maybe
the same age, maybe youngerthan me, living out his faith,
having his daughter pass awayand then clinging to hope that
her death was a seed planted inthis.
What a heart of love for thevillage, that even that would be
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something that would spur themon to hope in Christ.
And so, yeah, just eventhinking about it, it's like, oh
man, I have three daughters ofmy own.
So, anyway, god had moved andhere we are documenting and
seeing the fruit, and so westarted interviewing the people
that came to know the Lord, andwe were walking around the
village and it's so funny, Ifeel like we're.
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This is really dumb.
It's like I feel like we'redoofuses.
Wherever we go, I feel like adoofus.
Like we have cameras, we'rejust walking around, we have no
nothing, we're just shooting.
Everything looks remarkablebecause it's outside our context
.
They're probably so fascinatedwith us being so interested in
the most mundane things you knowlike wow, this is amazing wow,
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this is amazing.
We, as we were driving out tothe village we pulled off in
this bigger town before we wentout in the middle of nowhere and
one of the leaders, as we weredriving out there, he has two
chickens and he throws them inour trunk of our car.
Now, chickens and trunks ofcars don't belong together.
It doesn't sound pretty andwe're like why do we have
chickens in the back of our car?
And so we drive out there inthe middle of nowhere and they
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gave me the honor ofslaughtering the chickens with
the dullest knife in the historyof knives.
Now, this is all anecdotes, butit's an interesting thing.
It really had an impact on me.
So they said Peter, we want youto do the honors, and I've
never.
I'm actually I'm the type ofguy that actually captures the
spider, captures the bug andputs it outside.
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And I'm training, training,training my girls Guys, let's,
let's, take it outside.
Um, of course it was a horrificevent to try to kill these
chickens with a dull knife.
But, setting that to side, thenext day, um, I was given a goat
to kill and they assured me theknife was sharper.
So we're shooting, we're doingthis, and they're asked hey,
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we're going to eat this goat andwe're going to cook it right
now.
Would you do the honors?
And with my horrible trackrecord with the chickens, I
don't know what they asked me,but I did and I remember getting
around with Molly and men andit's a different context and
they were like it's an animisticcoaster, they'll sacrifice
animals for the wrong reasonsand they're like they are.
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We're sacrificing it for life.
We're sacrificing it to be ableto eat and provide that meal
for several people.
And so they gathered around andwe huddled over this goat and
they prayed and they wanted justthe right heart posture as we
sacrifice, because many peoplearound that village would
probably think something else ishappening.
And so they prayed and Iremember man, this is really
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emotional thinking back on it.
But they laid the goat down andthey gave me the knife and I
remember this goat looking at upat me and bleeding, like
bleeding as in, like making itsound and um, putting my knife
to its neck and it's no joke.
And I I don't take this veryeasy because, again, I this is
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not what I do, you know and I, Islit the the neck of of this
goat and this crimson, darkblood hits this red dirt and it
just looks like pure black as itcomes out.
And I sat over this goat as itbled out and it was no joke but
it really hit me.
This Malian brother came up tome and was like this is kind of
a rite, what he didn't tell meahead of time.
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He's like this is kind of arite of passage for Molly and
boys and becoming men to kill ananimal.
So he huddled over me in thisvery pastoral moment that he's,
like you know, just staring atthis animal, its life, leaving
its body, and reminding me ofJesus.
You know, reminding me of Jesus, you know reminding me of like
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the perfect lamb.
And so it's just like thisanimal did nothing.
In some sort of smaller way,it's given its life, but Christ
did nothing, did everythingperfectly, and yet he bled out.
How horrible that must havebeen to see his blood hit the
dirt and him be slaughtered.
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So it was very kind, it wasvery kind and generous of this
Malian man who knew English,come up and just like, imagine
Christ and to take the sacrificefor us.
And what a precious thing to doand to know that officially in
Malilly, I'm a man now.
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So, um, that felt good too, but, um, it's an image that comes
to mind, because I think it's animage that came to the um
hebrew minds.
They would know what a sacrificeis yeah they would know the,
the bleeding of a lamb or a goat, they would know that sound,
they know that plea for help andthat I heard and it was it's
kind of just terrible you know,to know what was going to happen
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in that cry for help.
And yet Christ didn't cry forhelp.
I mean, like he even laid hislife down Willingly yeah,
willingly.
Not being held down, himholding himself down by his own
love.
Yes, holding himself.
There weren't nails holding himto a cross, he allowed them.
He's the king of the universe,he's the sovereign of the cosmos
.
He could have pulled it himselfoff, and he would be right to
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do so, but he did.
He held himself there.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Imagine in an animistic culture to hear that
someone willingly bled for them.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Not captured, not held down, but by his own love
and his obedience to the father,his obedience to the father
being led to the slaughter.
And so it's just like an imageand it's something maybe we miss
on our culture to see death.
We put death behind walls, wedon't see it.
Maybe if you're a meat eater,there's death, but we don't put
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those two things together.
But, even in a Hebrew culture atthat time you would understand
death.
And so the image of Christ on across becomes so much more
visceral, the reproach you know,and you think like, well, this
is where the bodies were burned,so they would know the smell
and the disgust, and they had toremove the body.
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And it says Christ goes outsidethe camp, outside the city.
And so you're like going Christ, the perfect lamb of God, the
sinless son of God, going out tothe corpses and the refuse to
go and die.
And so this image sticks in mymind as I even share it.
I wasn't expecting to, but it'slike, it's funny, turned
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profound to me that I look backand I'm like I think of Christ
and I think of the horrificimage of him on that cross and
seeing the blood, his bloodsmacking the dirt and the most
grievous, most beautiful thingever you know, the worst and
best thing you know, happeningall at once.
And so it's very formative forme and it gave me a taste.
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You know, I grew up in Illinois, I live in Austin, texas.
I don't see death, I don't seedeath, I don't.
I don't see blood.
Often I have kids, I see blooda little bit, but it's like.
But seeing this, this death,and being so intimately in
contact with it, is very movingto me and so many of us in our
Western culture.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
We know the end of the story of the gospel.
Like we don't truly take thetime to struggle through the
sacrifice and the death of Jesus.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Because we want to run to the empty tomb quickly,
because that that is thebeautiful story of God's, not
only God's sovereignty, but thefact that God, that Jesus
himself, was God.
But for us, we don't pictureJesus's blood hitting the dirt.
Yeah, and you had an encounterthat causes you to look at that
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differently.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, and again, I'm so thankful that I was cared for
by my brother, my Malianbrother, who had come up and
care for me as a.
You know like I wanted to takeit serious.
I didn't want to just to comeand again what?
What a discipling moment for me.
I'm a grown man you know, like,oh, what do I have to learn
about the cross of Christ?
Are you kidding me?
I have so much to learn aboutthe cross of Christ, and to sit
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in the turmoil and the brutalityand the ugliness and the beauty
, the beauty of it.
It's an interesting thing to becovered in the blood of Christ.
It's like what you know, it'slike it was something so
terrible, something so beautiful.
That's the beauty of the gospelitself is so terrible and so
unfair.
Christ, this is a perfect lamb,and I'm a rebel.
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I'm a defiant rebel of God,dead in my sins and
transgressions, and here's thisperfect lamb that lays his life
down for us.
You know, it's just like.
So I'm thankful for the Lord tobe met Now.
Again, this is God'ssovereignty in my moment, and if
you're hearing this, this isGod's work for you too.
I'm sitting in front of themicrophone and having to
experience this because maybeGod, in his sovereignty, wants
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me to share it.
I wasn't planning on it, Ihaven't even gotten to my story
yet.
Think we do, maybe misssacrifice that I think maybe the
hebrew, the israelite wouldunderstand, they would
understand the cries, thescreams, the blood, and yet, and
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so when christ's story and thatsacrifice comes to mind.
It's different.
What about that, with theperson not only a person, but a
perfect person?
What?
Not only a perfect person, butthe perfect son of God, god
himself dying in Christ, beingthe one to bleed out.
So it's like ugh.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So the story is called Light on the Way.
Light on the Way If anyonewants to go watch it.
There's no animals killed, noanimals killed in the making of
this film.
Yes, yes, but I do want to makesure that everybody, if they
want to take an opportunity togo and watch some of the story.
It's called Light on the Way.
It's on the website at MovingWorks.
But I want to make sure that webutton up a little bit of the
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story, because there's a part ofthe story that's really
impactful just specifically towhat you talked about earlier.
You talked about two differentvalues of prayer and also
healing, and there's a storyabout healing that I want to
make sure you get an opportunityto tell.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, yeah.
And so we're walking throughthe village kind of on a tour.
One of the pastors was sharing,you know, the church, the
missionary who was there sharingthe village with us and we're
walking around seeing differentsites and we're invited into
this cluster of huts and soimagine, like a kind of a mud
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hut, and these things arewonderful structures.
They're not like rudimentary,the elements will get in, it is
like they know how to engineerthese things, but a cluster of
them in such a way that itcreates like almost like a sea.
If you're looking from aboveyou would see a sea of connected
homes.
And we are invited into thiscircle, the sea and this family
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is there.
They're coming out, greeting us.
So there's a hospitality too.
There's not a hostility,there's a hospitality, and I
think we are beneficiaries of agood witness.
So this church planter, theyknow him, he's a good witness,
he's a life-giving personbecause Christ is in him, and so
we're invited in and of coursethey're speaking in different
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languages.
We're not sure what's going onand we learn that the matriarch
of this family, this woman,can't come out to visit us, and
so kind to even consider thefact that she would need to in
any way, but she regrets shecouldn't.
The family said she's sick, youknow, seriously ill, and she
can't come out.
So they regret her lack ofappearance and and so we're
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sitting there.
Of course we're learning.
And again, this is why I feellike we're doofuses.
We don't know what we're.
We're just kind of like what dowe do next?
You know, we're just likepeople that don't know what
we're doing and so, throughlanguage and interpretation,
they're like would someone liketo pray for her?
And they chose my friend, chris, who had traveled with me.
He and I were I need help, youwant to come?
And he's like sure, I'll come.
Well, we went to Egypt and wewent to Mali and he was like,
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yeah, I'll pray.
And so he prayed and you know,there wasn't anything
specifically to this prayer.
That was, I don't even knowChris's heart.
I'm sure he was like well, theright thing to do is pray for
the healing of this woman.
And we prayed and it was one ofthose things that you pray and
you go, okay, and then everyoneagrees that we prayed and we
leave, and so we do the rest ofthe much.
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We got word once we got backthat after that prayer the woman
was miraculously healed.
And what had happened?
The family in that home.
They set out to the streetssaying the God of the Christians
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healed our mother.
And suddenly this cluster ofhomes becomes a launching pad
for little missionaries,declaring the power.
Again, going back to the storyhealing is a testimony.
Yes, the power of God at work.
And now that I've never put thetwo together, but literally what
he said in the interview daysbefore we went out there healing
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is a testimony.
Suddenly, healing results intestimony.
So the family members take tothe streets.
The God of the Christians noteven that guy from America, you
know the God of the Christianshealed.
And what was Chris's prayer?
I'm sure Chris, my brother, myfriend, has prayed for healing
before, you know, and I'm suresometimes, maybe, sometimes, no,
(27:17):
sometimes, yeah, well, in thistime, yes, yes, definitely, that
god used my brother in hishumble prayer.
Probably I would say I wouldlack faith.
I wasn't boy, he's, thiswoman's being healed right here
now.
You know, I didn't have thatfaith.
I was just like, okay, cool,we're gonna pray.
We're a little part of this.
This is nice.
And probably having my mind onother things and knowing me
(27:39):
probably like, what are we goingto do next?
Almost like it's a nice gesture.
Oh, this is what we're supposedto do.
This is a Christianly thing.
This is a nice gesture.
We pray for you.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Not expecting the.
God of creation, the God of theuniverse to come down and say
done, yeah, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
And so it goes to show like who God is and who we
are.
Again, you know, we take thehammer to the nail and toy
around with it and he's like I'mgoing to punch this thing in
myself.
And I believe he did.
And he did it for purpose, itwasn't a one-off.
He did it to create faith and atestimony to the village, and
so I don't know what happenedbeyond that, but for that
(28:17):
testimony going out by throughthe voices of those who didn't
even know God, the God of theChristians, the God of the
Christians in an Islamicstronghold, an animistic
stronghold, suddenly there's newmissionary voices going out
saying the God of the Christianhas of the Christians, have
power.
And so you go back and what aprivilege it is to go back to a
(28:40):
place where there is fertilesoil for this sort of thing.
And I think this is maybeunfortunately.
There are some qualities wehave here in the States that are
lovely for a certain theologyand things like that and
knowledge and understanding, butcertainly we might lack faith
to believe.
And I credit God because I feltlike goodness, I didn't.
(29:01):
I even when I heard I'm likewhat you know, like it wasn't
even on the table Like surprise,yeah, it's like well, of course
.
And I've known people that arelike well, of course.
And I brought my brothers, myMalian brothers were like well,
of course, yeah, they weren'tprobably going.
What they were probably going,yeah, cause that's who God is
and that's it's a necessity.
And, again, going back to faith, it's a necessity that that's
(29:24):
who God is for where they are intheir lives.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It's not just a theological principle that he
can.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's an absolute belief that he will.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
You know Jesus and our disciples is a necessity.
That he said pray, that yousaid heal, and they're like this
better work, like I'm out hereon a limb if it doesn't, you
know.
And so it's like Lord, keep usin a place where faith is
required, not strategy, notintellect, not schedule, but
trust in the spirit.
(29:55):
And certainly, again, I'm surethose men were like yeah, this
is what God does, this is whoGod is.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And I'm sure those men were like, yeah, this is
what God does, this is who Godis.
And I think these films thatyou're creating much like maybe
these episodes of these podcasts.
They almost serve as likeEbenezer stones, these stones of
remembrance, Like we can goback and we can look at the work
that God did, because it's soeasy for us to forget.
So, man, thank you for sharingthat story, and that was very,
(30:25):
very conv?
Uh, the way that we approachand operate in faith in our
Western context.
And so, man, I appreciate thata lot.
So we've talked a lot about um.
You know two episodes worth ofgoing to different remote places
to hear the stories of whatGod's doing there.
And you know, having you guysget lost in the jungle in the
Amazon and having you guystrudge through the bush to these
different places with theseguys that have called to leave
(30:45):
their city and go out into thewilderness.
Let's also hit this one laststory about not going
necessarily out into thewilderness but having an
environment where somebody feelscalled to go to a place where
the remote places of the worldare actually coming to them.
So it's, let's go to the portin Hamburg, germany.
(31:05):
You have a really cool storythat I think our people would
love to hear from that.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
So we're in Hamburg, germany,filming stories, and we had a
collection of stories we'refilming and again, you know
Germany, there's very minorityof Christian there and we were
going to tell German storiesthat would speak to the German
people, that they could share,and not that many testimonies
there at all in terms of justfilms.
That would be effective.
So we wanted to serve and,funny enough, as we were filming
(31:30):
, we lost a couple stories andwe're like, oh man, you know,
some story subjects had to backout and we usually shoot a
collection of stories.
And we had a church service andwe met this guy his name was
Martin and we started talking tohim just randomly and he was a
very lovely guy, knew Englishand we were just a really soft,
(31:52):
genuine person and as we weretalking to him we learned about
what he does, and what he doesis so beautiful and such a
wonderful calling.
So what he does, he used to workat the Port of Hamburg.
Now the Port of Hamburg is thesecond largest port in all of
Europe, so you have hugecontainer ships, cruise ships,
(32:12):
resources coming in from allover the world into this massive
port and he used to work thereas like just on the business end
, like work in the I don't evenknow what you do, but he just
accounting or whatever in thebusiness end side of things.
And.
But God stirred his heart as hesaw more and more what's called
seafarers come in Now.
(32:33):
These are men from all over theworld that work on container
ships and ships from differentplaces that come into port to
port and they are out there ontheir own for like nine months
out of the year straight.
So these are men who are tryingto earn money for their
families that are gone fromtheir families nine out of 12
(32:54):
months a year.
And a lot of these guys fromlike Southeast Asia, places like
that.
Yeah, unreached people.
A lot of them are Filipino, alot of them, yeah.
So Martin works at the portsand God stirred his heart for
these seafarers.
Men that work all over theworld, come from many Southeast
Asian countries that work onthese ships, and his heart broke
for them.
And so God called him to go andvisit them on the ships.
(33:18):
So he, as a full-timemissionary, became a missionary
to go on these ships as theycame in.
A floating missionary, afloating missionary, a floating
people group just floating intohim.
That's amazing.
So he and his wife, monica soMartin and Monica, they decided
to buy a house about 10 minutesfrom the port of Hamburg.
The intentionality is be asclose to the ports as possible.
(33:40):
And he, he has a computer wherehe logs and sees what ships
come in and from where they were, what is their native language,
what all this stuff.
And he orients his life aboutgoing ship to ship to ship, and
so we're learning.
First of all, we're in thischurch like what is this guy?
You know this is awesome, youknow it's like god.
We lost some stories, but itseems like you might be giving
(34:00):
us one, and so we're like dude,this is so incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, crazy story.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
So we were like Martin, can we go?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
on the ships with you .
Speaker 3 (34:08):
You know, first of all, again, it's like this would
be cool.
I've never been on one of theseships.
And then what a beautifulministry.
And so he's like, yeah, come.
And so probably within a day ortwo we're at his house, we're
filming, and his story is solovely, I mean, he's just such a
gentle.
I please watch this.
What's the name of the story?
The Messenger.
I think it's a beautifulportrait of a heart captured by
(34:30):
Jesus, and a heart for those whodon't know him.
Lovely man, martin and Monica.
And so we join him, we interviewhim and we're like let's go out
on a boat.
So join him, we interview himand we had like let's go out on
a boat.
So our first boat experiencewas we went out onto a ship and
it's a big one, and I mean it'slike so you know, we're talking
about container ships that crossthe oceans, sort of things.
(34:51):
These are container ships thatpirates sometimes attack, you
know.
So there's a, there's a hint ofdanger, there's loneliness,
there's a lack of, I'm sure,there's temptations out to sea,
there's many things.
And so these ships come in andwe go on a boat and the
interesting thing is we just metMartin.
He invited us on.
(35:12):
We have cameras.
We don't know if we're allowedto shoot.
We're like Martin, what do wedo here?
And he's like just come on andI have the small camera and so
we're filming.
But I'm like I feel totallyuncomfortable because we're just
invaded this thing.
I don't want to upset hisministry, break trust or
whatever, but we're halfwayfilming, halfway not, it's our
first ship.
(35:32):
He goes on and he immediatelystarts talking to this guy and I
start filming.
And this is our firstexperience.
And we end up going on fourships altogether through two
different trips to Germany.
And our first encounter.
He comes and he starts sharingwith this guy and it's the
captain of this massive ship.
And I'm not kidding you, withinthe span of I would say, about
(35:55):
five to 10 minutes, this guy'sin tears.
I mean just immediately likethis guy's in tears.
I'm like just immediately, likethis guy's in tears.
I'm like I was filming a littlebit.
Then I was like I better notfilm.
You know, I don't want, I don'tknow what to do.
But here's the interestingthing about it Now, as soon as
you step on the ship, it's anEnglish language ship.
(36:18):
Suddenly, all the ships it'skind of like airlines, like the
language of an industry isEnglish, and so it's lovely.
When you've only been here inGermany and shooting films,
suddenly everything becomesEnglish and it's like, did Lord
give me discernment?
I can hear language, but sohe's just sharing the gospel and
it cuts this guy to the heart.
It's Pentecost, right, there'scut to the heart and immediately
I think this guy had someinteractions with Christianity,
(36:42):
kind of knew it, but it's likejust a heart of repentance and
brokenness swept upon this guy.
And, of course, me being me, Ididn't shoot any of it and so I
was like, because you know, I'mlike, I don't know what I can or
can't, or if there's a genuineministry opportunity which
actually we're there to shoot, Idon't want to hinder as well.
So it puts you in a reallyinteresting spot and sometimes I
(37:02):
lean on the let's, not becauseI don't want to disrupt the main
thing.
Oh, we got it, but we suredisrupted his heart, you know.
So I didn't get it specifically, but I got them interacting
afterwards.
But it was just, and even sucha pivot from conviction to joy,
because this guy was cut to theheart in certain areas of his
life and recognizing his needfor God.
(37:24):
And then this is what shouldhappen a cut to a heart,
repentance and then joy, becauseMartin shared the gospel again
to this guy.
If he had heard it, I don'tknow if he'd heard it once or
none, but just a sweeping joyand just suddenly a brotherly
affection with these two as theytalked and discussed, and I
(37:44):
mean then, then suddenly weunderstood we could shoot,
because it's like our house isyour house.
Suddenly this Filipino I believehe was Filipino hospitality
kicked in and it's like the shipis ours and we got to go film
and do whatever.
And he's got.
He's the captain of thismassive ship.
Now, the interesting thingabout these massive ships that
are and we're talking so manyfootball fields, you know, and
(38:04):
so many stories it's like askyscraper on end out to sea.
There's only like 20 people onthe ship still working it, but
they're constantly working it.
And so then, martin, what hedoes is he meets.
He's such a I think God hasgiven such a soft heart and such
a almost like a reversehospitality.
He comes into their house andyet they feel welcome.
(38:26):
It's just like a specialtenderness to him.
So he sets up shop.
Now here's the interesting thingas well he wears like a
captain's outfit, so it's almostlike he says he wears it
because he wants to honor theship, he wants to honor their
environment.
So he's dressed as if you might, if you were a captain to some
(38:47):
degree, you know, white shirt,collar, you know like kind of
things on the shoulders he wantsto honor, and sometimes he has
a captain's hat and it's just tosome people they might think,
well, this, this little cheesy,you know what is this, you know.
But it's like when you get toknow Martin she's like, oh yeah,
that's right and actually it'sbeautiful.
And so he goes and he sets upin like a commons area Usually
there's where they eat and he'lllay out.
He's written books.
So God stirred him so much thatover this time with seafarers
(39:10):
he's learned more about theneeds and the loneliness and the
temptation that they face andhe's wrote several books
specifically to seafarers.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
And so books a ton of time to kill for these guys,
yes.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
What more do they have than time?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
So they're out to sea .
What a great resource for them.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, so he writes books, gives them away and
preaches the gospel.
So he just goes and people comeand now here's the thing.
You think, well, this is weird,a stranger coming on and having
a presentation and people showup, but they're out to see, they
want a new face, you know, andthey'll come and they'll sit and
they'll enjoy and they'll laugh, and he shares the gospel and
(39:47):
they're hungry for new news.
Give us something new news andhe shares the good news, the
newest and best and greatest andoldest news there is, and so he
shares the gospel.
And man, there's so much I wantto say about this.
But so, by what we learnedabout Martin as well, he goes
ship to ship.
You know.
He can do three ships in a day,five ships in a day.
Sometimes he's on one ship formultiple days because a cruise
(40:10):
line shows up and there'll behundreds, hundreds of workers.
Now their conditions on thecruise ship might actually be
worse than and this is kind of aconvicting thing the conditions
for people who work on cruiseships can be pretty rough, and
so, as people are whining anddining and enjoying luxury, many
(40:33):
of the workers are in difficultscenarios, and he knows ships
that treat their workers well,and some that don't, and so,
even then, coming and servingpeople that are hurting and
stuff, and as they serve peoplewho are living it up, and so
it's just an interesting world.
You know, met with that.
But he can preach the gospel tolike 200 people at once, or two
, or one in that moment when wefirst got on the ship, or 12 or
(40:55):
whatever.
But he goes ship to ship, notdistinct, prioritizing one over
another.
As he has access, he goes andthey let him on and in many
cases, martin, there you are,you know they've been there
before and they know him and soit's beautiful.
And then, as we got to know himand film a story we see, like
his, he has a book and it's likeit's almost like a book you
(41:16):
would sign at a wedding, butit's his home and so we he
starts kind of opening his bookand sharing it with us.
This guy's reached the nations.
I mean we're talking a countryyou didn't know exists.
Yes, that country, all the wayto countries there's no way
you'd get in.
So Iran and you know, like, ohmy gosh, like so many African
(41:38):
nations and so many fromSoutheast Asia that have come to
his house.
He has a photo book of peoplefrom all over the world.
So over the years, not only hashe gone on the ships, but he
recognizes that these peoplehave never been invited into any
home, and so now they're comingto his home celebrating
Christmas.
(41:58):
There's one picture of himcelebrating Christmas on a
Chinese ship, so celebrating thebirth of Christ with a bunch of
like probably 30 to 40 Chinesemen, and never know of Jesus.
He would never get to China,but China comes to him.
So, martin and Monica, they'rein their home.
Yeah, they're inviting folksinto their home yeah, so you see
(42:20):
them To show the hospitalityand the love of Christ, yeah,
and so then they get letterswritten to them saying like my
husband's never been invitedanywhere in all his time out to
sea, wow, and you invited him in.
And so letters and care andreading the, just the, the, the
encouragements of the people whohad been there and they know
(42:40):
and they celebrate, and so it'slike man, god's super, duper,
creative, he sends us to thenations.
We're the nations, right we're.
We're people that wereunreached and God sent people.
You know, like God sent peopleto us and now we get to go to
people, and then sometimes hesends the nations to you and he
sends you right, 10 minutesoutside your house, but you also
.
What a step of obedience forhim to follow.
(43:02):
One have a heart of compassionand love and mercy for the lost,
for the seafarers specifically.
Imagine this that God gives aheart for the seafarer.
Like many of you people, I'massuming it was true for me,
didn't even know that was a word.
Yeah, and so now, but God hasraised up one, taken a dead
(43:23):
person, made him alive, givenhim a heart for the lost and
making his heart for the lost aspecific people group known as
seafarers, and then doing it inhis own hometown and doing it,
you know, inspiring him in sucha way that he would move to be
so close that if he heard a shipcan come and he can go.
Now this is a spoiler alert butI want to brag about God's work
(43:43):
in Martin and Monica.
He has been on over.
He kept on lowering the number,but I will give the range to
respect him.
I think the math is about35,000 ships over his time.
He says, just for safety andmake sure we go low.
It's like, say, 25, but it'slike 25 to 35,000 ships and much
(44:06):
more, probably even by now.
25 to 35,000 ships and muchmore probably even by now.
And he has gotten to.
If I did the math, my numbersand taking out low averages.
I think he's preached the gospelover to about half a million
people, personally Unbelievable.
He says put.
I think he said put 250,000,but that's his humility.
He has no heart for ego.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
You know, it's just like a love of Christ.
Just a cool 250,000.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Lower it by 250.
Wow, that's what Christ hasdone.
Took a broken guy, and here'sthe thing.
Funny enough, he actuallywanted to study for a whole
other thing, I think, like ineconomics.
He didn't pass the test, though.
He did something in economics,but he failed, and so he started
doing this stuff at the docksand, and so he started doing
this stuff at the docks and thenhe saw the seafarers and had a
heart for them.
(44:51):
And so it's funny.
It's like even when thingsdon't go your way, you know we
get lost in the Amazon, or youfail a test for a career you
really wanted God isorchestrating something.
If we're porous or if we'remalleable to his touch, we can
be formed into something.
And if we not reject it, notfight it, man, it's beautiful,
(45:11):
the sculptor he is and what hecan make.
And so, martin and Monica,their faithfulness again, this
is Christ in them.
When we're looking at a personI say names, it's Christ in them
that we're talking about.
And so it's just like man,whether it be brothers and
sisters in Mali, no-transcript.
(45:49):
This is what God's doing allover the globe right now, as
we're sitting in front ofmicrophones in Austin, texas.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Man, what a privilege that God's given you the
opportunity to capture and tellthose stories.
Yes, thank you so much.
That story's called theMessenger.
The Messenger, okay, yes, andso again, for everybody who
wants to go and check out someof these stories at moving works
the messenger, go and watchthat.
You can find it there.
I think in three seasons ofthis podcast, that may be one of
the most unique and awesomestories that I've heard.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah, martin's story is incredible, thank you so much
and and again.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
You just outlined the .
You know how God uses certaincircumstances.
Martin, wasn't even the subjectof the story that y'all are
going to capture.
No, he wasn't the reason thatyou guys were there.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, that's, that's God.
Right, Again, I said thisearlier.
I think we're kind of buffoonsand it's like we're going there.
It's like I do tell people wego to cultures that we don't
know the language, we don't knowthe culture, we don't know the
context as much, and I just saywe're kindergartners, we're
probably preschoolers, but youknow, we, we bump into him and
(46:50):
God had orchestrated this thing.
And it's a freeing thing tounderstand.
You're in the hands of asovereign God.
Yes, that when you losesomething, that's okay.
If you gain something, don'tput too much on it.
It's his, it's all his and he'sorchestrating something.
Again.
This is where I go back to thefact that in the first
discussion it's like this is Godforming something in me.
This is God's privilege andkindness and care and ministry
(47:11):
to me, extended to you.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
So, like, who's the beneficiary of movement works?
Peter Craig is the beneficiary.
He could be so lavish to createa ministry only for me.
Now, by God's grace, it'sbeyond that, and that might
sound like a little egotistical.
No, I think he's that generousand kind to.
Actually he gave the mostvaluable thing in the cosmos the
most valuable being there isChrist himself for little or
(47:36):
less he would make a ministryjust to remind me how good he is
.
Now I get to be thatbeneficiary and this is where I
think at the beginning he calledus to worship him.
He called called not to makefilms but to worship.
And I get to worship because Iget to see how good he is and
from that comes an honest fruitof worship Because I'm like
(47:57):
you're awesome.
Even as I discuss it, I'mreinstilled with zeal for the
Lord Because it's like yeah,you're awesome All credit goes
to him.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Man Peter, thank you so much for taking time to tell
these stories, for being on fortwo episodes, Just from our
audience.
Man, just I want to extend sucha thanks to you, Like what an
incredible opportunity we've hadto just journey around the
world with you and hear some ofthese stories.
Man, how can people stayconnected to what God's doing in
Moving Works?
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Moving Works.
We're a nonprofit, you knowpeople can go on and visit
movingworksorg.
All our films are free.
You can download, re-upload.
We don't mind if you take ourfilm, download it and re-upload
it on your Facebook, yourYouTube.
We don't care about views.
We really want the message outthere.
We also have a study guide with25 of our films that if you
(48:42):
guys, if anyone's interested ina study, a film study, where you
watch a film, you get intoScripture, you discuss, it's
great for discipleship groups orsmall groups or whatever it
might be youth ministry, we givethose away.
Everything we make we give away.
That's what God said to do.
Every one of our films has astudy guide with it.
So a lot of them.
(49:02):
I think we have around 70 to 80different films you can watch.
So I just we want to extend theinvitation to enjoy the beauty
and grace of the Lord, and Iwill say this these are crayon
drawings.
Jesus is so good, so beautiful.
They don't scratch the surfaceof his beauty, but he invites us
in, and so it's our honor to beable to make these films and
(49:23):
share them.
Also, honestly, if you have aheart for Jesus, you have
filmmaking skills.
We always love to talk, topartner with more people, to
join the team and worship Jesuswith us.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Thank you so much for being on the show, man.
It's just been a pleasure tohear these stories and to travel
with you.
Man, would you mind praying forus here at the end?
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yes, Lord, thank you so much for your grace as I
share.
It's just grace.
It's certainly not us, it's you.
Thank you, for I'm going topray a selfish prayer.
Thank you for my time at MovingWorks, where I've gotten to see
your beautiful, sovereign,mighty, loving hand at work all
(49:59):
over the world, and what a grace.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for this podcast,thank you for the opportunity to
share, giving me thisopportunity to brag about you.
You're so good and we're soflawed, and I want to confess
like I don't see thingsperfectly, I don't get it right,
and if there's anything not ofyou and even as I've shared,
lord, let it go away.
(50:19):
But if there is something thatyou want to speak through your
spirit, through what has beenshared, I ask that you do it,
that you really encourage, thatyou convict, that you remind
people to look up and marvelover the beauty, the beauty of
Christ.
And so, lord, thank you.
I just want to very, verysimply go back to the gospel.
(50:42):
Thank you, christ, for yourperfect life, your as we
discussed brutal death and yourglorious resurrection, because
you love us.
That doesn't make sense, butyou love us and I thank you so
much for that.
So, lord, it's all because ofyou and we want to give you the
praise, honor and glory, andit's in Jesus' name we pray.
(51:04):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
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