June 24, 2023 • 43 mins
In a society where many voice their opinion, how does one resist the urge to conform?? Can we honestly disagree peacefully?! We dive into our experiences and thoughts on this in a brand new episode of Unrehearsed!
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Hey yo, back again, again, as I'm adjusting my microphone.
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Man, this is a real thing.
We do not know, there's always something happening
in the opening.
Literally.
But we're back.
Welcome to another episode of Unrehearsed, fam.
Unrehearsed, fam.
We really out here doing this again.
Again.
Again, again.
That's crazy.
And today's episode,
cause I don't know a softer way of segueing
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into any topic we talk about.
Right.
I just be like, okay, yeah, today's episode is
conformity.
What about conformity?
What about conformity?
Well, so the inspiration behind this idea
was a conversation with my aunt.
And long story short,
we were just talking about how
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there was this young child,
I'm just gonna keep it transparent.
Yeah, so there was this young child
and she went to a private school
and so at the private school,
the kids were asking her if she's non-binary or not.
And she was like, oh, I don't believe in that.
So she just wouldn't say like,
she'd be like, I'm just, I'm a girl.
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That's all that I am.
I'm not non-binary.
Like I just wanna be a girl, which is what I am.
How old was this child?
She was actually only 11.
So she was like very young.
Yeah, very young.
And so, and she was getting bullied.
Like they were putting a lot of shame on her
and just bullying in her and teasing her and stuff,
just because she didn't identify herself as non-binary.
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And so yeah, and like I just wanted
to bring up the conversation
because I feel like this is a very,
for a lot of people, it could be a very touchy conversation
and I didn't wanna have this conversation
in a space where like scenes of hate.
It's not what we're doing here.
Right, but I also did want to bring up
Romans chapter 12 verse one,
where it talks about how we aren't supposed
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to conform to the world,
but be transformed by the renewing of our mind.
And so that being said, like I just find it interesting
that like the way that the world is going right now,
all we ever talk about, some things is like energy.
It's like, oh yeah, like my female energy,
my masculine energy.
I'm not saying that those things aren't true,
but at the end of the day as a Christian,
like I live by what the Bible says
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and I believe that the Bible is true,
the infallible word of God.
And so, yeah, so I just wanted to talk about that,
how now like, I mean, everyone says it so much.
They're like, Jesus is coming back soon.
But even if like we didn't say things like that,
with just like reading the book of Matthew
and just the New Testament,
you really start to see that the times
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are like showing themselves,
like the signs are showing themselves,
you know, that the world is getting darker,
that things are becoming more evil,
that the things that we would call bad
are now being called good.
And the things that we would call good
are now being called bad.
And so I just, really I just wanted to bring awareness.
I feel like more like with the spiritual warfare
that's happening in the world,
and yeah, and what we could do about it,
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like how can we continue to be followers of Christ,
be disciples of Christ,
and not conform to or bow down to the things of this world?
Because it is getting harder if I'm being honest.
I would say like maybe five years ago,
if I'm being transparent,
like it was a lot more easier
to call yourself a Christian, you know?
And so now like, now today,
it's like when you say Christian,
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like it has such a bad taste in people's mouths
that it almost just like completely outcasts you.
As soon as you're like, I'm Christian,
they're like, up, like, you know,
everyone just like throws you in the trash.
They're like, literally,
they're like, why would you do that to yourself?
You know, and so, but I just wanna talk about that.
Like I wanna bring light to that.
And yeah, and I just don't want it to be me.
I don't want it to be how it is.
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So, so yeah.
Right.
I understand.
So this is conformity,
the topic of conformity in the eyes of Christians.
Yeah.
Yeah, let's get into it, man.
Cause you know,
we know what the Bible says for all of those
that read the Bible, believe in God, believe in Jesus,
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and study God's word.
You know what the Bible says in the New Testament,
or actually really just all throughout the Bible,
you know, about like not doing what others,
not doing the things that other people do
who aren't following God.
Yeah.
Typically what those things are,
things that God don't agree with.
Right.
So I, that is a good point.
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I had to think about it when you said five years ago,
I was like, what year was five years ago?
I was like, 2018, okay, babe.
Yeah, it's like, I don't know, it's weird.
It's very strange these days, just from, I guess,
even from like a logical standpoint of like,
I feel for maybe the most part,
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gone are the days where we can, I guess, disagree in peace.
Like I'm talking about like perspectives and views.
Yeah.
Yes.
Cause I'd be lying if I said
every friend I've ever had were Christians.
Matter of fact, fun fact about me.
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Yeah, fun fact about me,
I actually went through all years of public school
without a Christian friend.
So, you know.
You were the Christian friend.
I was the only Christian friend.
I was that guy.
And there were moments where, you know,
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people would be like, man, actually you should,
you know, or Deishan rather.
Deishan, you should yada yada yada.
I'm like, I'm not really rid of that, you know,
whether it's for my faith reasons or for other reasons.
And it's as far as the child goes,
that's very unfortunate because as a child,
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you just go into school.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like you're not thinking, especially at 11,
you're not thinking of those things.
What does that even mean?
Yeah.
In the mind of a child, you know.
But it's like now it's something that's being so promoted.
Like I even want to point out just the fact that kids,
like as young as five, are going to drag queen shows.
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And like, that's been a big thing with the kids.
And if I'm being honest, like it really pisses me off
because I'm just like, children are so innocent
and it's just like, I don't know,
whoever people are always like, oh, they,
like, I don't know who they is,
but there is, it's very evident that there is an agenda
to like really infiltrate and like put into the minds
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of children, like, oh, things like this are okay.
And if you feel like it's okay as an adult,
like I'm like, I respect your opinion.
Like, I'm not going to like argue with you on that.
Yeah, we're not going to beat you over the head.
Yeah, but as a child, I'm like, I don't think that's fair.
Like, I don't think that's something
that we should be putting into children's minds.
It's like, why can't we keep them like innocent in a sense?
Yeah, like why do they have to grow up so fast
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and just be so like, just infused with this kind of like,
oh, like this is the thing and stuff.
Like, I'm not saying that we have to hide it from them,
but like myself personally, I know for my kids,
like I'm not going to be like, oh yeah,
like let's go to a drag show.
Like I'm like, no, like y'all are children.
Like let's go to the park.
Let's eat some ice cream.
Like why?
I didn't even know what, no, my bad.
I didn't mean to cut y'all off.
No, go, go.
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I was just going to say,
I didn't even know what drag was as a kid.
I didn't either.
I went to, it was middle school,
I think maybe seventh or eighth grade.
I'm like 12 and 13.
And it was around that Halloween time, you know,
kids would like to dress up, you know,
around that Halloween time at school.
And someone came up dressed as a drag queen.
And I was like, I never knew what that was at the time.
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And I was like,
I was like, what costume is this?
Yeah, like explain your costume to me.
Like what is this?
And we were, you know, kids being kids,
we were kind of making jokes thinking it was something else.
You know, it's kids being kids roasting or whatnot.
You know what I'm saying?
Where I went to school, we roasted.
We roasted all the time.
And so-
They had the oven on 400 y'all.
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We had that during 425, preheated.
We was roasting.
Right.
So, but then they eventually ended up saying, you know,
like, nah, I'm dressed as a drag queen.
Oh, and explaining it.
Yeah, they explained it after the jokes was kind of done.
Like they eventually explained it.
And I was like, I didn't even really know what that was.
I'm like, what the heck is that?
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You know?
So I agree with your point that it's like,
like I understand it's out there
and I will always respect people's views
even if I don't agree with it.
Yeah, yes.
But it's like-
Drawing a line, is that what you're doing?
Yeah, like, or like, I get it.
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You gotta respect.
I mean Mexican candy, so you know, the spice kinda hits.
Yeah, okay.
Everybody like, that ain't spicy.
Yeah.
I like that.
Like introducing kids with that.
Like the way I came up and the way that I've always saw
is like kids and we had some sort of protection growing up.
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Yeah, wow, yeah.
Like as a kid, it was kid stuff
and it was grown folk business.
Yeah.
You ain't asked about no bills.
Right.
You ain't asked about, you know, when's-
No grown folk business.
When was this?
It was you focus on your homework,
make sure your room is straight
or as straight as someone's straight as whatever.
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I could never, like my room wasn't a mess
but it wasn't as clean and spiffy as my mom wanted it to be
but you handled school,
make sure you wasn't cutting up
around the house in that school.
Homework is straight.
Do what you gotta do around the house.
Yeah.
You can go out in the backyard and play.
You can go to the neighborhood park and play.
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You were a kid and you were in a child's place.
You know what I'm saying?
Certain stuff we couldn't watch coming up.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
A bunch of some of my friends were playing grand theft auto.
We weren't allowed to play grand theft auto
until we hit a certain age.
Yeah.
We had to hit a certain age.
My pops was like once y'all turn like 15, 16,
they all can get on this grand theft auto.
But at like nine, 10,
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when that grand theft auto,
my mom at first, when she was a little hesitant
cause we were big, me and my older brother,
we were big on like kills on and call of duty
and all that kind of stuff.
She said, I'm not raising murders.
And she was like, my dad, he let us play
because sometimes we play with my dad online.
And that there was, I remember hearing my mom
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at certain points like, man, I don't know about this.
You know what I'm saying?
We came up with a certain protection
because kids are innocent.
We have an innocent viewpoint of the world.
And you know, obviously they gotta get exposed to the world.
Yeah.
But it's like, you don't want to snap
to child's childhood.
Yeah.
Or just snap to child's innocence.
Yeah.
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You know, that type of thing.
So I agree with that.
I understand.
Cause like we came up and we were, you know,
we were protected.
Yeah.
And it should be, you know, the children, children,
we don't know, we don't know, we don't know nothing.
We don't know nothing of what could happen
in the world as kids.
Yeah.
And as 20 something year olds,
we are now learning more of what could happen in the world.
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But at five, six years old, like I was watching
Blue's Clues.
Oh my God.
I had the orange cassette tapes, man.
What?
Yeah. I came, you know, maybe I told so,
it probably was you, but I remember I told someone,
I was like, yeah, or maybe, maybe it was Alan
who was on Characteristics and Success.
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I said, yeah, man, I think we came up in a good time.
Cause it's like, we kind of have the best of both worlds.
Oh, you did say that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was like, we had the, we had some of the old school ways,
at least when I came up, when I was coming up as a kid,
you know, we would go ride our bikes
throughout the neighborhoods.
We knew the parents, our parents knew the parents.
We have the phone numbers, everything.
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We was coordinating stuff and we had the, you know,
we was drinking out the water hose and stuff like that
during the summertime.
And when it was time to come in, we was on video games
and we was on Call of Duty or, you know, stuff like that.
But we lived, we lived a good childhood.
We weren't like, you know, Drag Queens, my, that thought,
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or not Drag Queens, but like drag shows,
something like that to where that's like,
for mature audiences, my parents would never even consider.
Like that thought wouldn't even come to their mind.
Yeah.
So it's a different day and age.
Yeah, it's definitely a different day and age.
It's a different day and age.
So then it's like, how do you not conform?
Cause I feel like there is all that pressure to get with it.
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Like to be a part of the crowd and to, you know,
like believe what everyone else is believe,
believes in things like that.
Yeah, I think, I think it's probably twofold
or maybe more than that.
One.
Twofold, okay.
Manifold.
Manifold, yeah.
Manifold, my grandfather taught me that word.
Read that in KJV.
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Something like that.
Bible.
Something like that, but I think my grandfather
used to always say, like when he would pray,
when you pray to God,
he would always thank God for his manifold blessings.
And that is the exact word.
Come on.
Learn that word from him.
But to answer the question, I think one, you have to,
cause to this day with, you know,
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these modern times is so much of like,
what you disagree with or what you hate
or what you, you know, not siding with.
What you cancel.
What you cancel.
Perfect.
What you cancel.
Not so much of a focus on what do you stand for?
Like, what is it?
Okay.
We always like, oh, I'm against that.
I don't like that.
I don't agree with that.
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What are you for?
What are you for?
Yeah.
We hear more about what people are against
than what they're for.
Instead of what they're actually for.
Yeah.
And so I think, I think in terms of like not conforming,
you have to know yourself and like know, okay,
what do you stand for?
Yeah.
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And you know, obviously be mature and respectful
and respecting everyone's beliefs and point of views
and all that stuff.
But knowing what you stand for and why you stand for it.
That's very important.
Like not, don't just be like, oh, I agree with this
or I don't agree with this.
I think you should buy a caress toothpaste.
Why?
Why?
You like-
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Cold gate's better.
Why?
Why?
Like how has it worked for you?
Right.
Have you tried other toothpastes?
Right.
What brands have you tried?
Have you tried the ones that are mainly on TV?
Right.
Like the cold gate and all that kind of stuff?
Obviously it's more than just toothpaste.
That was my like lame example.
Or have you tried stuff like Toms?
Yeah.
Have you tried Toms?
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Does it work?
I don't know.
It's a Tom household rocker.
You do Toms and toothpaste.
You know what I'm saying?
Are we timing it?
Stuff like that.
Like knowing what you believe in,
what you, why you think,
what do you think what you believe in and then why.
I think that helps, you know,
make your foundation a little firm.
Yeah.
And then also like being your own person, man.
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Like, you know, like,
it's just, cause you gotta be your own person.
You know, that's not to say that it's bad to agree with,
it's bad to agree with majority opinion.
Because if people are right, then people are right.
If there's the truth, then it's the truth.
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You know, but like, you know what I mean?
Yeah. I do know what you mean.
Yeah.
So then what would you say to just confusion?
Cause I feel like that's another big thing.
Cause for example, like I literally went on a walk
with my sister yesterday.
And so she was bringing up technology and she's like,
Oh, like, cause I asked her and I was like,
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Oh, what would you be interested in learning?
And she's like, I really don't care.
And I'm like, okay.
Which is like her answer to so many things.
I love you though.
You know who you are.
And so, but she was like,
Oh, like I think one thing that I would love to learn about
is technology and specifically just how like, you know,
in the nineties, like technology was like,
the new and uprising thing.
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And now here we are like 30 years later, 33, 35 years later,
just about.
And it's like, we have cars that are like driving
without motors.
Like we have electronic cars and who would have thought
that like in 30 years, like it would have accelerated
so fast.
And so the point of that is cause I was, cause she was like,
well, I guess I won't know till I die, you know?
And I was just kind of like, okay.
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But it just brought up the conversation of faith.
And I was like, yeah, I was like at the end of the day,
like it's like, we all have faith in something,
even if it's not God, like everyone has faith in something,
like everyone believes in something.
And so what would you say to the person that's like confused?
Cause I also like did tell my sister and I'm like,
well, that's going to be a scary thing for some people.
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I'm like, cause like, you know,
I like to play the what if game is what I tell people.
Cause they're like, well, what if God isn't real?
And I'm like, but what if he is like,
what if God is real?
Like what if God is who he says he is?
My dad said something years ago for those who don't know,
my dad is also my pastor,
but he was preaching the message years,
probably about four or five years ago.
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And it was something that always stuck with me.
It was like comparing religions.
Cause you know, you got, you got the Christian walk,
whereas if you die in your sins,
you die not believing in Jesus, then you go to hell,
you burn forever.
And then you have other beliefs where it's like you die
and then that's just it.
You cease to exist where you die.
You reincarnate.
Reincarnate or you go to purgatory or, you know,
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you got one where it's like,
they believe they'll be around to like clean up all of like
the damage and debris after Armageddon and stuff like that.
So all of these beliefs and my dad made a very,
he made a point that will always stick with me.
And he was like, he was noting all of those things.
And he was like the consequence of not
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believing in the Christian faith,
the consequence of not believing in God is way worse
than all these other consequences.
Like the standard is higher is pretty much what he was saying.
And so he was like, if let's say hypothetically speaking,
God wasn't real, I was up,
he was like something along the lines of like,
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he was living a higher standard.
Like he's good and regardless because okay,
if there's no other thing and you think,
and I just really don't cease to exist, I don't exist.
Chillin'.
If it's another thing and you go to like purgatory
or whatever, you're in purgatory.
If it's another thing and it's like you reincarnate,
well you come back just as something different.
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But this is the only one where it's like,
you don't do what you're supposed to do,
you burn it forever.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, he was pretty much saying,
like even let's hypothetically say, okay, this wasn't real.
It's like the boxes are checked off
because the way it's living is like,
ain't no consequence worse than this
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if I don't meet this standard.
And so as far as confusion,
one, I may be wrong, but I feel like at some point,
everyone is going to ask the question.
Or questions, pretty much like,
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why am I here, what's my purpose, what's life for?
How in the world did this get here?
What does all this mean?
You know, at some point,
and those are good questions to ask.
I feel like it's in us at some point,
especially if we weren't raised up in a Christian faith,
Christian faith is in us at some point
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to ponder those things.
And so then it becomes about, okay,
like searching and finding the truth.
And finding the answers.
That can be a bit challenging, not gonna lie.
Having grown up in a Christian faith,
I haven't had to go that route in terms of like,
okay, then they'd be going like searching to find answers.
I have.
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Maybe you can answer the question.
Like what question?
I don't know why I would ask you.
Were you ever like confused and had to go
and pretty much on that search?
Yeah, I would say so hecka like,
let me just share my testimony while we're here.
So, but pretty much, so honestly, I'm sorry.
I'm hesitant because I always think about
how certain family members are gonna feel.
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Only share what you're comfortable with sharing.
Okay, yes, okay.
It's just, it's not pretty.
But anyways, so like I grew up, it was me.
It was five, so I'm one of 10,
but it was like my five siblings and my mom.
Single parent household.
And so growing up, there was just like a lot of arguments.
Like the siblings didn't really get along.
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I was just like the golden child, ding, the peacemaker.
And so really growing up in my household,
like it was just, I hated being home.
I hated going home.
And I was just like very depressed.
I was like a very depressed child,
which is crazy because like I was actually
very happy at the same time.
Come on, like check up on your people.
And so, but I was like very depressed.
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And so I remember I was like 13,
and I think that's when the depression
like really just started like skyrocketing.
Because it's like I'm starting to go to high school now.
And like, and my dad isn't present.
And then like my siblings are arguing all the time.
And like my only escape is like going
to my aunt's house all the time.
And so like I wasn't at home really
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because of like all the drama that was happening,
because it like really took such a big effect on me.
I don't know why, I was just a very sensitive child.
And so yeah, so the point is fast forward, 15 comes.
And like I remember like I remember it just as like,
as if it was yesterday and I was sitting in the bathroom
and like I wasn't like sitting on the toilet,
but I was like sitting on the lid of the toilet.
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And so I remember the thought came to my head,
like you should just kill yourself.
The thought came to my head and I was like, I should,
I should do that.
And then I just was like, okay,
I just need to figure out how to do it.
But then literally in like the next moment,
a thought came to my head and it was just like pray.
And I was like, okay.
So I remember I prayed and my prayer was very simple.
Like this is literally what I said verbatim.
I was like, God, like if you're real,
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like just send me someone or something
so that I can know you.
But cause I'm like just really going through it,
like in Jesus name, amen.
And I just remember feeling so much joy
and like so much peace after.
And so I'm like going on about my day.
And like three days later,
my friend from the basketball team was like,
oh you wanna come to Bible study?
Like youth group is what she said.
And I was like, sure.
I had no idea what youth group was.
I was like, well, youth means young people.
So a group of young people, so I should be fine.
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And then I was like, oh, it's Bible study.
Cause then she took me in and then I was like,
I was sold cause I was like, yo, like I prayed,
like not even three days ago.
Like, and it didn't hit me to like,
I was like sitting down in this couch
and I was like, yo, I'm like, I prayed three days ago
that God would send me someone or something
to show me that he was real and boom, here I am.
Like this is crazy.
And so, yeah, so that's like,
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so I feel like that was like the searching for me,
but it was like one and done for me
because praise God for praying grandmas.
Like she just always like would pray for me
and just like gave me the introduction to church.
Although it was like very boring as a child.
I was like, lady, like I'm sleeping in the fumes.
Like I'm tired.
Like they still like, you know, all the grandmas
just over here like crying and stuff.
I'm like, what's happening?
And so, yeah, so anyways, but I say all that
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because like that's not the only time
that I've had to search actually
when it comes to like finding truth.
Like even like within recent years,
I feel like confusion was just like a very big thing for me.
Like not right now this year,
but I feel like for the past like two years,
I was just in a lot of confusion
cause there was a lot of people who were leaving the faith
and that's what was very confusing for me
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because I'm like, what?
I'm like, how are they leaving?
Like, you know, Jesus, you are the way,
the truth and the life.
Like, why are they just like, oh, I don't believe anymore.
Like, or I'm not Christian anymore.
You know, like just a lot of apostasy was happening.
And then there was like this fear that struck in me
of like, would I leave you Jesus?
Like, is that gonna be me in the future?
Like genuinely like scared cause I'm like,
Lord, I don't wanna leave you.
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But like, I'm confused on why these people are leaving you
cause I know that you're the truth.
Like, I don't need nobody to tell me
cause like I know you for myself.
I was like, but I'm just like super confused.
And so that had me like out of whack for a little bit,
but I'm back, let's go back because the Lord, right?
Cause when the Lord brings you, he will keep you.
Like, and I testify to that.
And so, yeah, but we, the point of all that
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was conformity though.
We're talking about conformity and just like
not being confused and like learning to conform
to what is true and to the truth, which is the word of God.
And so, yeah, I don't know if you have to add.
I was like going in, I'd be passionate.
I'd be like that passion.
Thank you, I appreciate you.
I'd let it run.
That is an amazing story.
Thank you.
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Could have ended very different, but look at God.
Yeah, come on, seriously.
Also noted how it took three days.
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
Okay, he's like three days, hey three,
that's the number right there.
God works a lot in threes.
Yeah, I mean, in terms of, well, let's see
how I can relate this to myself.
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Okay.
Because there's different,
there's levels to this.
You got people who don't know God
and searching for the truth.
Okay.
And then I remember I was in a time,
sorry if I sound like weird.
Cause you have the candy.
In your mouth.
Yeah.
Don't choke.
I won't, but this candy is really good.
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But.
Smacking over there.
Yeah, there was a time where I was searching
for the truth of what God's will over my life was.
Cause there's the will of God and His word.
That's just for everyone.
Blanket for everyone.
And then there is the God specific will over your life.
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You know what I mean?
Yes.
And so I already knew what the Bible will was.
Now where do I fall into that?
Yeah.
That one took some time.
I feel like that,
I'm glad you're talking about this actually.
Oh yeah.
Cause all of that led to this right now.
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I thought I was going to go one particular way.
And I thought I was.
I, you know, it made sense to me.
I had the personality for it.
Okay.
So it made sense and I started moving.
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Okay.
I'm proactive.
Even as a kid, I was proactive.
It's like, you know, if I wanted a little bit
of extra money, I'll do chores around the fam.
10 bucks, 20 bucks as a kid,
you feel like you got a million dollars.
You know, especially you saving up,
had over 200 bucks cash.
Wow.
You saved as a child?
Yes.
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At like 11, 12 years old.
You know, I had a wallet.
I never took it out the house,
but I would just keep all of my bills in there.
Over 200, like $230 straight cash from birthday money,
Christmas money and doing chores around the house.
Wow.
These change that I would find, you know,
I was proactive if I need a little, whatever it took,
you know.
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So believing that I was going to go one particular way,
me being proactive and a go-getter is like, let's move.
So I started moving and I'm thinking, okay,
this is the will of God over my life.
I'm going this route.
God has a very interesting and sometimes unpredictable way
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of letting you know that you not on the right path.
Correct.
And so when it ended up not being that,
it was like, well, dang,
I committed X amount of time going this way.
And it wasn't that, now I'm back at square one.
What the heck am I going to do?
Cause I'm a very, I'm a proactive, I'm a go-getter,
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and I'm like purpose driven.
Like there's always a why to what I do.
And so as far as like me being on earth,
it's like, I don't want to just be sitting here like,
chilling.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Like, left Kobe Bryant, laid great Kobe Bryant,
and he said, don't rest in the middle.
You rest at the end.
So it's like, I ain't like,
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I ain't just trying to sit here and just like chill
and do nothing.
It just kind of wait until that time comes and like,
then I kill over.
It's like, I'm not trying to do that.
Now let's make this meaningful.
Yeah.
And so back to square one, I was like, dang,
I don't really know this stuff.
And for me, cause there was other stuff going on internally,
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but for me to find that truth,
it took a lot of fashion and brain.
And then come to find out the signs were very subtle,
even as like a child of what it was.
You know, like I used to always write a lot of songs,
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like freshman, sophomore year.
I used to keep track of how many I wrote.
I think I wrote somewhere around 230.
In a year?
Not in a year,
but I ended up writing up to that amount.
Oh wow, okay.
I used to write a song, brand new song, full song,
every like two or three days.
Oh wow.
I got like 12 songs a month.
Wow.
Writing them.
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And I used to keep track of them.
I used to keep count.
And, but at that time I didn't really buy into the idea
of actually being a rapper.
You know, when I was 11, I had this idea in my head
of having my own film production company.
Oh wow.
I remember the day, I remember the day, the moment,
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and exactly what I was doing
when that thought first came into my head.
Playing Call of Duty.
I was like, it was like sixth grade.
I was like 11 years old, playing Call of Duty.
And it just randomly hit my head,
like the name and everything.
I ended up not choosing the name,
but just the idea was there.
And then as a kid, I used to write a lot of stories,
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a lot of short stories.
And some of the stories that I would write
is be like, dang, I wouldn't know where would a kid know
about that, like thinking in hindsight.
But like some of the arcs I would write,
I would write that at like four or five, six years old.
All of those signs were there.
You know what I mean?
Like listening to Christian rap growing up, I would like,
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my favorite rapper, Christian rapper growing up
was Ambassador from the Cross Movement Group.
They did their thing like late 90s, early 2000s.
So many people might not know who they are then,
but they're like pioneers of the Christian rap genre.
And Ambassador would float.
And in my head, I'm trying to follow.
I'm trying to follow in everything.
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And at the same time, I wasn't buying into the idea
of stepping into music.
I wasn't playing instruments at the time.
All of my older cousins were doing that.
All of my aunts were singing and stuff like that.
Grandparents, they was all singing and whatnot in church.
I had some cousins that would rap.
Some people in my family have put out music.
Everybody was singing, everybody was on instruments.
I wasn't doing that.
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You know, I wasn't.
I did play the drums for a little bit as a kid,
but that was mainly just for fun, just to like bang.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, oh, we in church.
You know how live church get,
I get to be on the drums and get live with y'all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That used to be so fun.
But it wasn't something I actually took real serious.
So eventually when it stopped being fun, I hopped off
and I wasn't doing anything for years.
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Okay.
And so, but all of those signs were there.
You know, even like running like the church's
like PA system and sound system being at the board.
I used to do that as a kid.
Like 10 years old, like adjusting mic volumes
and the gains and all of that stuff, that used to be me.
Now I do that.
Wow.
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You know what I mean?
Yeah.
All of the signs were there.
I just wouldn't buy into it.
But the realization took,
once I actually really started fasting and praying
and trying to figure out that kind of stuff,
it took some time and a lot of like reflecting
and stuff and God guided me along the way.
Cause I didn't really know entirely what was happening.
But things started making-
Till we ever.
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Right.
And like, but things started making sense.
Like, oh wow.
Like I've always been a writer.
Like, oh wow.
I've always been an over thinker, a deep thinker.
Like, oh wow.
I've always thought differently.
I've always really loved storytelling
and like being impactful and that's always been me.
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It was just a matter of like stepping out on the faith.
Cause I was a late musically, I was a late bloomer
in my family at least.
Cause I've had cousins and just a bunch of family members,
aunts and uncles and cousins that would,
that gravitated to music as children,
would play instruments and play several instruments
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or would be in the family choir and whatnot.
And they tried to get me to sing in Sunshine Band
and I wasn't with it.
Sunshine Band.
I'm not sunshine-ing.
Yeah, Sunshine Band for those that don't know,
it's like kids choir.
So they tried to get me in that
and they made me get in there,
but I didn't like the singing.
I didn't like the like standing up and like,
I didn't want to, I just didn't gravitate to it.
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I didn't start giving it a chance
until I was like 15 or 16.
Is that true?
And I'd actually start rapping.
I wrote my first song at like 13.
I didn't make, I wrote my first song at 13.
I didn't actually put, make my first song to release.
I didn't release my first song until I was like 18.
Wow, okay.
Yeah, it's a whole five years of like,
not much happening.
Right.
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And so in terms of like figuring out the truth,
it's like, I mean,
when it comes to God, if you already believe in God,
you know you can fast and pray.
You know that's the way to do it,
setting your heart towards God and fasting and praying
and really diving in and trying to seek that.
And then it's just like, giving it time.
But as far as like someone who doesn't know God
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and trying to find the answers to that question,
then, like you did something really good.
Like, the whole like, God, if you're real, you know,
then do this and do that kind of thing.
I believe God hears that because he heard it with you.
And that's not the first time I've heard something like that.
So I guess that's something that I would recommend.
I can't really speak much to it because that's,
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that's just not a part of my background.
But those who really want to seek the truth
and really find stuff out on their own,
I have enough faith to believe that God sees that
and will put the truth in their way.
And then it's just up to the person to buy into it.
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You know, there's a part in the Bible where it says
that the gospel will be preached to all of the world.
And so I'm pretty sure, and I know for a fact,
God is like, okay, you know, God is, he's fair.
He's just, he's gonna give everyone an opportunity.
That way at the end, no one can say,
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they didn't have enough.
No one had, oh, I never had an opportunity.
Because then it was like, well, dang, you know,
what would happen if I had an opportunity?
Who not?
Well, and God knows that.
So I believe he gives everyone an opportunity.
He gives multiple opportunities.
Several opportunities.
And it's just a matter of giving it a shot.
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You know, like with the rapping thing,
I didn't know this was gonna turn into a podcast.
I didn't realize it was gonna turn into a business.
You know, and have an official, official team
of people that I do business with
and stuff while we shoot the podcast,
getting this filming going on.
Someone else is editing an episode.
And you know, Junior is mixing and mastering music right now
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and all of that kind of stuff.
I didn't know it was gonna turn into this.
My first project, my only SoundCloud tape was like,
let me just see if I could do it.
That was my thing.
Let me just see if I can make something
that I think is cool enough to put out.
I just wanna know if I could do it.
Yeah.
And then I did it and I was like, okay,
well, I did it once.
Let me see if I could do it again, but better, you know?
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And so that's kind of what I think.
If you really want to know the truth,
I believe that you will find it.
If you really, but you gotta be like diligent
about like searching, you know,
however, whatever that path is for you.
Right, it can't just be like, God show me.
And then it's like day one, nothing happens.
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You ain't real.
It's like, yo.
For you, it was three days.
Yeah.
For me, in terms of like really figuring out
what my purpose was and understanding it,
it was years of development.
You know, it was years of,
it was years of having that desire
of wanting to know what I'm supposed to do down here,
but also years of development and years of, I went,
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I'm 23 now.
I went, I'm gonna say about six to eight years
with no clarity.
Wow, that's a long time.
From like somewhere around 13 or 15.
13 or 15 to 21.
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It was like a couple months before I turned 22
before God was like, okay,
now let me make these last 10 years of your life make sense.
And that is not an exaggerated number.
That is a legitimate actual number.
I did the math.
Like when we make these last eight, nine, 10 years
of your life make sense.
And he started making it make sense.
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Mind you, in those eight, nine, 10 years,
I didn't know, I didn't understand why things were happening
the way they were happening.
You say, you said in the previous episode we saw that
you spoke about my maturity level.
Stuff happened.
Character development.
Stuff happened.
Trials.
You know, the scar on the side of my head,
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scar on the side of my head, stuff happened.
You know what I mean?
It was just other like stuff in my personal life,
stuff in my spiritual life, mental stuff.
I had suicidal thoughts too.
Depression, I dealt with that too.
A lot of stuff happened within those eight to 10 years.
And once things calmed down, then that's when God was like,
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all right, now let me make this make sense for you.
Because you've been sitting here,
you've been like this for years, you wanted to know why.
Now I'm gonna make it make sense.
And so if you really want to find the truth,
I believe that God will put the truth in your way.
And it's just up to you to accept that.
Yeah, and if you really want to conform to the truth,
again, the Lord will like really help you with that as well.
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Yeah.
Fast and pray.
Fast and pray.
Seek diligently and you shall find him.
Yeah, if you already believe in God
and you're just like searching for whatever truth
for your life, whatever, maybe like God's specific will
over your life like with me, I suggest fasting and praying.
And doing whatever it takes like for me.
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Like when I say stuff happens, like bro,
I would leave, I think my keys, yeah,
my keys are over there so I can't really do it.
But I would leave community college,
like early morning class,
if that was the only class I had that day,
I would leave at like 10 in the morning
and go down to the church and lock myself in and pray.
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At like 19.
By myself.
I asked my dad if I can get a key made.
And I was a little nervous at first,
I didn't think he was gonna say yes,
but he was like, okay, yeah, cool.
Here's mine, go to A's Hardware
and get you a key made, it's like $2.
I'm like, really?
He's like, yeah.
So I went down the street and made a key.
And I started like frequently, it was a routine.
Like I would go down to the church by myself.
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Like it started off with just,
you see you gotta start small and build
even on your like pathway to like figuring out whatever,
you know, whatever thing that you're trying to figure out
from God and just truth in general.
You know, like it started off just one day a week.
Cause sometimes I just gotta see if I can do it.
You know, I did it one day a week.
And I was like, okay, I can do it.
And then my dad was like,
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you kind of would want to get consecutive days in.
So I'm like, okay.
So one day turned to three consecutive days a week.
And then I just kept maintaining.
And then I was feeling so good.
While things, while I was working through things
that I was holding onto and then like stuff
was starting to make sense.
One time I went five days in one week.
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Oh wow, come on.
And so while stuff was still happening in my personal life
and I still didn't necessarily have that clarity.
Bye Auntie Leah.
But there was a legitimate drive and desire to,
for me get right with God
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and to really learn and understand.
And then as I was doing that, more stuff started happening.
And then after things calmed down,
2021, 2021 is when,
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yeah, it's when things really started to become easier
and more relaxed and not as crazy.
Cause I was still like keeling from past.
Look at that, that happened.
Once God was like, okay, he's ready to hear this.
And then he started dropping like life changing
like information.
It was like, yo snap.
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I remember he dropped one bit of information
and I think it was June of 2021.
And then six months later, before the year closed out,
he dropped another piece of information.
And then those two instances made all of that make sense.
And made what we're doing right now makes sense.
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So yeah, that's my story as far as finding truth
as the helicopter flies over us.
But I believe that, I believe that anyone can find it.
It's just a matter of doing whatever it requires you
to do for me.
For Mo, it was God, if you're real, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And God was like, okay, then three days later, boom.
For me, it was years worth of work, but consistency.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think that's a good note to end right there.
That's a great note to end.
Links down below.
Down, down, down, down, down, down.
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What a bottom of the sea.
SpongeBob.
Wow, forevertransparent.com.
Yes.
Merch, podcast.
Music.
Check out the music, yes.
Social media.
Links to all of that down there.
Did I shout out Brandon this episode?
You did, let's do it again though.
Shout out Brandon behind the camera.
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It's like, it's becoming tradition.
You gonna know who helps us and who's a part of the team.
Oh yeah, you know him by now.
You saw his face, he was on the Marvel episode.
We gonna include Brandon's social
and all of these descriptions too.
One thing I'm gonna make sure is you gonna know
everyone that makes this possible,
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whether they're in front of the camera or not.
Yeah.
Catch y'all on the next episode.
Love you man, bye.
Bye.
Hey yo, back again, again, as I'm adjusting my microphone.
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Man, this is a real thing.
We do not know, there's always something happening
in the opening.
Literally.
But we're back.
Welcome to another episode of Unrehearsed, fam.
Unrehearsed, fam.
We really out here doing this again.
Again.
Again, again.
That's crazy.
And today's episode,
cause I don't know a softer way of segueing
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into any topic we talk about.
Right.
I just be like, okay, yeah, today's episode is
conformity.
What about conformity?
What about conformity?
Well, so the inspiration behind this idea
was a conversation with my aunt.
And long story short,
we were just talking about how
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there was this young child,
I'm just gonna keep it transparent.
Yeah, so there was this young child
and she went to a private school
and so at the private school,
the kids were asking her if she's non-binary or not.
And she was like, oh, I don't believe in that.
So she just wouldn't say like,
she'd be like, I'm just, I'm a girl.
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That's all that I am.
I'm not non-binary.
Like I just wanna be a girl, which is what I am.
How old was this child?
She was actually only 11.
So she was like very young.
Yeah, very young.
And so, and she was getting bullied.
Like they were putting a lot of shame on her
and just bullying in her and teasing her and stuff,
just because she didn't identify herself as non-binary.
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And so yeah, and like I just wanted
to bring up the conversation
because I feel like this is a very,
for a lot of people, it could be a very touchy conversation
and I didn't wanna have this conversation
in a space where like scenes of hate.
It's not what we're doing here.
Right, but I also did want to bring up
Romans chapter 12 verse one,
where it talks about how we aren't supposed
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to conform to the world,
but be transformed by the renewing of our mind.
And so that being said, like I just find it interesting
that like the way that the world is going right now,
all we ever talk about, some things is like energy.
It's like, oh yeah, like my female energy,
my masculine energy.
I'm not saying that those things aren't true,
but at the end of the day as a Christian,
like I live by what the Bible says
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and I believe that the Bible is true,
the infallible word of God.
And so, yeah, so I just wanted to talk about that,
how now like, I mean, everyone says it so much.
They're like, Jesus is coming back soon.
But even if like we didn't say things like that,
with just like reading the book of Matthew
and just the New Testament,
you really start to see that the times
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are like showing themselves,
like the signs are showing themselves,
you know, that the world is getting darker,
that things are becoming more evil,
that the things that we would call bad
are now being called good.
And the things that we would call good
are now being called bad.
And so I just, really I just wanted to bring awareness.
I feel like more like with the spiritual warfare
that's happening in the world,
and yeah, and what we could do about it,
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like how can we continue to be followers of Christ,
be disciples of Christ,
and not conform to or bow down to the things of this world?
Because it is getting harder if I'm being honest.
I would say like maybe five years ago,
if I'm being transparent,
like it was a lot more easier
to call yourself a Christian, you know?
And so now like, now today,
it's like when you say Christian,
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like it has such a bad taste in people's mouths
that it almost just like completely outcasts you.
As soon as you're like, I'm Christian,
they're like, up, like, you know,
everyone just like throws you in the trash.
They're like, literally,
they're like, why would you do that to yourself?
You know, and so, but I just wanna talk about that.
Like I wanna bring light to that.
And yeah, and I just don't want it to be me.
I don't want it to be how it is.
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So, so yeah.
Right.
I understand.
So this is conformity,
the topic of conformity in the eyes of Christians.
Yeah.
Yeah, let's get into it, man.
Cause you know,
we know what the Bible says for all of those
that read the Bible, believe in God, believe in Jesus,
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and study God's word.
You know what the Bible says in the New Testament,
or actually really just all throughout the Bible,
you know, about like not doing what others,
not doing the things that other people do
who aren't following God.
Yeah.
Typically what those things are,
things that God don't agree with.
Right.
So I, that is a good point.
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I had to think about it when you said five years ago,
I was like, what year was five years ago?
I was like, 2018, okay, babe.
Yeah, it's like, I don't know, it's weird.
It's very strange these days, just from, I guess,
even from like a logical standpoint of like,
I feel for maybe the most part,
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gone are the days where we can, I guess, disagree in peace.
Like I'm talking about like perspectives and views.
Yeah.
Yes.
Cause I'd be lying if I said
every friend I've ever had were Christians.
Matter of fact, fun fact about me.
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Yeah, fun fact about me,
I actually went through all years of public school
without a Christian friend.
So, you know.
You were the Christian friend.
I was the only Christian friend.
I was that guy.
And there were moments where, you know,
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people would be like, man, actually you should,
you know, or Deishan rather.
Deishan, you should yada yada yada.
I'm like, I'm not really rid of that, you know,
whether it's for my faith reasons or for other reasons.
And it's as far as the child goes,
that's very unfortunate because as a child,
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you just go into school.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like you're not thinking, especially at 11,
you're not thinking of those things.
What does that even mean?
Yeah.
In the mind of a child, you know.
But it's like now it's something that's being so promoted.
Like I even want to point out just the fact that kids,
like as young as five, are going to drag queen shows.
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And like, that's been a big thing with the kids.
And if I'm being honest, like it really pisses me off
because I'm just like, children are so innocent
and it's just like, I don't know,
whoever people are always like, oh, they,
like, I don't know who they is,
but there is, it's very evident that there is an agenda
to like really infiltrate and like put into the minds
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of children, like, oh, things like this are okay.
And if you feel like it's okay as an adult,
like I'm like, I respect your opinion.
Like, I'm not going to like argue with you on that.
Yeah, we're not going to beat you over the head.
Yeah, but as a child, I'm like, I don't think that's fair.
Like, I don't think that's something
that we should be putting into children's minds.
It's like, why can't we keep them like innocent in a sense?
Yeah, like why do they have to grow up so fast
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and just be so like, just infused with this kind of like,
oh, like this is the thing and stuff.
Like, I'm not saying that we have to hide it from them,
but like myself personally, I know for my kids,
like I'm not going to be like, oh yeah,
like let's go to a drag show.
Like I'm like, no, like y'all are children.
Like let's go to the park.
Let's eat some ice cream.
Like why?
I didn't even know what, no, my bad.
I didn't mean to cut y'all off.
No, go, go.
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I was just going to say,
I didn't even know what drag was as a kid.
I didn't either.
I went to, it was middle school,
I think maybe seventh or eighth grade.
I'm like 12 and 13.
And it was around that Halloween time, you know,
kids would like to dress up, you know,
around that Halloween time at school.
And someone came up dressed as a drag queen.
And I was like, I never knew what that was at the time.
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And I was like,
I was like, what costume is this?
Yeah, like explain your costume to me.
Like what is this?
And we were, you know, kids being kids,
we were kind of making jokes thinking it was something else.
You know, it's kids being kids roasting or whatnot.
You know what I'm saying?
Where I went to school, we roasted.
We roasted all the time.
And so-
They had the oven on 400 y'all.
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We had that during 425, preheated.
We was roasting.
Right.
So, but then they eventually ended up saying, you know,
like, nah, I'm dressed as a drag queen.
Oh, and explaining it.
Yeah, they explained it after the jokes was kind of done.
Like they eventually explained it.
And I was like, I didn't even really know what that was.
I'm like, what the heck is that?
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You know?
So I agree with your point that it's like,
like I understand it's out there
and I will always respect people's views
even if I don't agree with it.
Yeah, yes.
But it's like-
Drawing a line, is that what you're doing?
Yeah, like, or like, I get it.
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You gotta respect.
I mean Mexican candy, so you know, the spice kinda hits.
Yeah, okay.
Everybody like, that ain't spicy.
Yeah.
I like that.
Like introducing kids with that.
Like the way I came up and the way that I've always saw
is like kids and we had some sort of protection growing up.
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Yeah, wow, yeah.
Like as a kid, it was kid stuff
and it was grown folk business.
Yeah.
You ain't asked about no bills.
Right.
You ain't asked about, you know, when's-
No grown folk business.
When was this?
It was you focus on your homework,
make sure your room is straight
or as straight as someone's straight as whatever.
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I could never, like my room wasn't a mess
but it wasn't as clean and spiffy as my mom wanted it to be
but you handled school,
make sure you wasn't cutting up
around the house in that school.
Homework is straight.
Do what you gotta do around the house.
Yeah.
You can go out in the backyard and play.
You can go to the neighborhood park and play.
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You were a kid and you were in a child's place.
You know what I'm saying?
Certain stuff we couldn't watch coming up.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
A bunch of some of my friends were playing grand theft auto.
We weren't allowed to play grand theft auto
until we hit a certain age.
Yeah.
We had to hit a certain age.
My pops was like once y'all turn like 15, 16,
they all can get on this grand theft auto.
But at like nine, 10,
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when that grand theft auto,
my mom at first, when she was a little hesitant
cause we were big, me and my older brother,
we were big on like kills on and call of duty
and all that kind of stuff.
She said, I'm not raising murders.
And she was like, my dad, he let us play
because sometimes we play with my dad online.
And that there was, I remember hearing my mom
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at certain points like, man, I don't know about this.
You know what I'm saying?
We came up with a certain protection
because kids are innocent.
We have an innocent viewpoint of the world.
And you know, obviously they gotta get exposed to the world.
Yeah.
But it's like, you don't want to snap
to child's childhood.
Yeah.
Or just snap to child's innocence.
Yeah.
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You know, that type of thing.
So I agree with that.
I understand.
Cause like we came up and we were, you know,
we were protected.
Yeah.
And it should be, you know, the children, children,
we don't know, we don't know, we don't know nothing.
We don't know nothing of what could happen
in the world as kids.
Yeah.
And as 20 something year olds,
we are now learning more of what could happen in the world.
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But at five, six years old, like I was watching
Blue's Clues.
Oh my God.
I had the orange cassette tapes, man.
What?
Yeah. I came, you know, maybe I told so,
it probably was you, but I remember I told someone,
I was like, yeah, or maybe, maybe it was Alan
who was on Characteristics and Success.
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I said, yeah, man, I think we came up in a good time.
Cause it's like, we kind of have the best of both worlds.
Oh, you did say that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was like, we had the, we had some of the old school ways,
at least when I came up, when I was coming up as a kid,
you know, we would go ride our bikes
throughout the neighborhoods.
We knew the parents, our parents knew the parents.
We have the phone numbers, everything.
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We was coordinating stuff and we had the, you know,
we was drinking out the water hose and stuff like that
during the summertime.
And when it was time to come in, we was on video games
and we was on Call of Duty or, you know, stuff like that.
But we lived, we lived a good childhood.
We weren't like, you know, Drag Queens, my, that thought,
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or not Drag Queens, but like drag shows,
something like that to where that's like,
for mature audiences, my parents would never even consider.
Like that thought wouldn't even come to their mind.
Yeah.
So it's a different day and age.
Yeah, it's definitely a different day and age.
It's a different day and age.
So then it's like, how do you not conform?
Cause I feel like there is all that pressure to get with it.
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Like to be a part of the crowd and to, you know,
like believe what everyone else is believe,
believes in things like that.
Yeah, I think, I think it's probably twofold
or maybe more than that.
One.
Twofold, okay.
Manifold.
Manifold, yeah.
Manifold, my grandfather taught me that word.
Read that in KJV.
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Something like that.
Bible.
Something like that, but I think my grandfather
used to always say, like when he would pray,
when you pray to God,
he would always thank God for his manifold blessings.
And that is the exact word.
Come on.
Learn that word from him.
But to answer the question, I think one, you have to,
cause to this day with, you know,
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these modern times is so much of like,
what you disagree with or what you hate
or what you, you know, not siding with.
What you cancel.
What you cancel.
Perfect.
What you cancel.
Not so much of a focus on what do you stand for?
Like, what is it?
Okay.
We always like, oh, I'm against that.
I don't like that.
I don't agree with that.
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What are you for?
What are you for?
Yeah.
We hear more about what people are against
than what they're for.
Instead of what they're actually for.
Yeah.
And so I think, I think in terms of like not conforming,
you have to know yourself and like know, okay,
what do you stand for?
Yeah.
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And you know, obviously be mature and respectful
and respecting everyone's beliefs and point of views
and all that stuff.
But knowing what you stand for and why you stand for it.
That's very important.
Like not, don't just be like, oh, I agree with this
or I don't agree with this.
I think you should buy a caress toothpaste.
Why?
Why?
You like-
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Cold gate's better.
Why?
Why?
Like how has it worked for you?
Right.
Have you tried other toothpastes?
Right.
What brands have you tried?
Have you tried the ones that are mainly on TV?
Right.
Like the cold gate and all that kind of stuff?
Obviously it's more than just toothpaste.
That was my like lame example.
Or have you tried stuff like Toms?
Yeah.
Have you tried Toms?
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Does it work?
I don't know.
It's a Tom household rocker.
You do Toms and toothpaste.
You know what I'm saying?
Are we timing it?
Stuff like that.
Like knowing what you believe in,
what you, why you think,
what do you think what you believe in and then why.
I think that helps, you know,
make your foundation a little firm.
Yeah.
And then also like being your own person, man.
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Like, you know, like,
it's just, cause you gotta be your own person.
You know, that's not to say that it's bad to agree with,
it's bad to agree with majority opinion.
Because if people are right, then people are right.
If there's the truth, then it's the truth.
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You know, but like, you know what I mean?
Yeah. I do know what you mean.
Yeah.
So then what would you say to just confusion?
Cause I feel like that's another big thing.
Cause for example, like I literally went on a walk
with my sister yesterday.
And so she was bringing up technology and she's like,
Oh, like, cause I asked her and I was like,
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Oh, what would you be interested in learning?
And she's like, I really don't care.
And I'm like, okay.
Which is like her answer to so many things.
I love you though.
You know who you are.
And so, but she was like,
Oh, like I think one thing that I would love to learn about
is technology and specifically just how like, you know,
in the nineties, like technology was like,
the new and uprising thing.
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And now here we are like 30 years later, 33, 35 years later,
just about.
And it's like, we have cars that are like driving
without motors.
Like we have electronic cars and who would have thought
that like in 30 years, like it would have accelerated
so fast.
And so the point of that is cause I was, cause she was like,
well, I guess I won't know till I die, you know?
And I was just kind of like, okay.
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But it just brought up the conversation of faith.
And I was like, yeah, I was like at the end of the day,
like it's like, we all have faith in something,
even if it's not God, like everyone has faith in something,
like everyone believes in something.
And so what would you say to the person that's like confused?
Cause I also like did tell my sister and I'm like,
well, that's going to be a scary thing for some people.
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I'm like, cause like, you know,
I like to play the what if game is what I tell people.
Cause they're like, well, what if God isn't real?
And I'm like, but what if he is like,
what if God is real?
Like what if God is who he says he is?
My dad said something years ago for those who don't know,
my dad is also my pastor,
but he was preaching the message years,
probably about four or five years ago.
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And it was something that always stuck with me.
It was like comparing religions.
Cause you know, you got, you got the Christian walk,
whereas if you die in your sins,
you die not believing in Jesus, then you go to hell,
you burn forever.
And then you have other beliefs where it's like you die
and then that's just it.
You cease to exist where you die.
You reincarnate.
Reincarnate or you go to purgatory or, you know,
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you got one where it's like,
they believe they'll be around to like clean up all of like
the damage and debris after Armageddon and stuff like that.
So all of these beliefs and my dad made a very,
he made a point that will always stick with me.
And he was like, he was noting all of those things.
And he was like the consequence of not
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believing in the Christian faith,
the consequence of not believing in God is way worse
than all these other consequences.
Like the standard is higher is pretty much what he was saying.
And so he was like, if let's say hypothetically speaking,
God wasn't real, I was up,
he was like something along the lines of like,
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he was living a higher standard.
Like he's good and regardless because okay,
if there's no other thing and you think,
and I just really don't cease to exist, I don't exist.
Chillin'.
If it's another thing and you go to like purgatory
or whatever, you're in purgatory.
If it's another thing and it's like you reincarnate,
well you come back just as something different.
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But this is the only one where it's like,
you don't do what you're supposed to do,
you burn it forever.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, he was pretty much saying,
like even let's hypothetically say, okay, this wasn't real.
It's like the boxes are checked off
because the way it's living is like,
ain't no consequence worse than this
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if I don't meet this standard.
And so as far as confusion,
one, I may be wrong, but I feel like at some point,
everyone is going to ask the question.
Or questions, pretty much like,
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why am I here, what's my purpose, what's life for?
How in the world did this get here?
What does all this mean?
You know, at some point,
and those are good questions to ask.
I feel like it's in us at some point,
especially if we weren't raised up in a Christian faith,
Christian faith is in us at some point
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to ponder those things.
And so then it becomes about, okay,
like searching and finding the truth.
And finding the answers.
That can be a bit challenging, not gonna lie.
Having grown up in a Christian faith,
I haven't had to go that route in terms of like,
okay, then they'd be going like searching to find answers.
I have.
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Maybe you can answer the question.
Like what question?
I don't know why I would ask you.
Were you ever like confused and had to go
and pretty much on that search?
Yeah, I would say so hecka like,
let me just share my testimony while we're here.
So, but pretty much, so honestly, I'm sorry.
I'm hesitant because I always think about
how certain family members are gonna feel.
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Only share what you're comfortable with sharing.
Okay, yes, okay.
It's just, it's not pretty.
But anyways, so like I grew up, it was me.
It was five, so I'm one of 10,
but it was like my five siblings and my mom.
Single parent household.
And so growing up, there was just like a lot of arguments.
Like the siblings didn't really get along.
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I was just like the golden child, ding, the peacemaker.
And so really growing up in my household,
like it was just, I hated being home.
I hated going home.
And I was just like very depressed.
I was like a very depressed child,
which is crazy because like I was actually
very happy at the same time.
Come on, like check up on your people.
And so, but I was like very depressed.
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And so I remember I was like 13,
and I think that's when the depression
like really just started like skyrocketing.
Because it's like I'm starting to go to high school now.
And like, and my dad isn't present.
And then like my siblings are arguing all the time.
And like my only escape is like going
to my aunt's house all the time.
And so like I wasn't at home really
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because of like all the drama that was happening,
because it like really took such a big effect on me.
I don't know why, I was just a very sensitive child.
And so yeah, so the point is fast forward, 15 comes.
And like I remember like I remember it just as like,
as if it was yesterday and I was sitting in the bathroom
and like I wasn't like sitting on the toilet,
but I was like sitting on the lid of the toilet.
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And so I remember the thought came to my head,
like you should just kill yourself.
The thought came to my head and I was like, I should,
I should do that.
And then I just was like, okay,
I just need to figure out how to do it.
But then literally in like the next moment,
a thought came to my head and it was just like pray.
And I was like, okay.
So I remember I prayed and my prayer was very simple.
Like this is literally what I said verbatim.
I was like, God, like if you're real,
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like just send me someone or something
so that I can know you.
But cause I'm like just really going through it,
like in Jesus name, amen.
And I just remember feeling so much joy
and like so much peace after.
And so I'm like going on about my day.
And like three days later,
my friend from the basketball team was like,
oh you wanna come to Bible study?
Like youth group is what she said.
And I was like, sure.
I had no idea what youth group was.
I was like, well, youth means young people.
So a group of young people, so I should be fine.
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And then I was like, oh, it's Bible study.
Cause then she took me in and then I was like,
I was sold cause I was like, yo, like I prayed,
like not even three days ago.
Like, and it didn't hit me to like,
I was like sitting down in this couch
and I was like, yo, I'm like, I prayed three days ago
that God would send me someone or something
to show me that he was real and boom, here I am.
Like this is crazy.
And so, yeah, so that's like,
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so I feel like that was like the searching for me,
but it was like one and done for me
because praise God for praying grandmas.
Like she just always like would pray for me
and just like gave me the introduction to church.
Although it was like very boring as a child.
I was like, lady, like I'm sleeping in the fumes.
Like I'm tired.
Like they still like, you know, all the grandmas
just over here like crying and stuff.
I'm like, what's happening?
And so, yeah, so anyways, but I say all that
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because like that's not the only time
that I've had to search actually
when it comes to like finding truth.
Like even like within recent years,
I feel like confusion was just like a very big thing for me.
Like not right now this year,
but I feel like for the past like two years,
I was just in a lot of confusion
cause there was a lot of people who were leaving the faith
and that's what was very confusing for me
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because I'm like, what?
I'm like, how are they leaving?
Like, you know, Jesus, you are the way,
the truth and the life.
Like, why are they just like, oh, I don't believe anymore.
Like, or I'm not Christian anymore.
You know, like just a lot of apostasy was happening.
And then there was like this fear that struck in me
of like, would I leave you Jesus?
Like, is that gonna be me in the future?
Like genuinely like scared cause I'm like,
Lord, I don't wanna leave you.
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But like, I'm confused on why these people are leaving you
cause I know that you're the truth.
Like, I don't need nobody to tell me
cause like I know you for myself.
I was like, but I'm just like super confused.
And so that had me like out of whack for a little bit,
but I'm back, let's go back because the Lord, right?
Cause when the Lord brings you, he will keep you.
Like, and I testify to that.
And so, yeah, but we, the point of all that
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was conformity though.
We're talking about conformity and just like
not being confused and like learning to conform
to what is true and to the truth, which is the word of God.
And so, yeah, I don't know if you have to add.
I was like going in, I'd be passionate.
I'd be like that passion.
Thank you, I appreciate you.
I'd let it run.
That is an amazing story.
Thank you.
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Could have ended very different, but look at God.
Yeah, come on, seriously.
Also noted how it took three days.
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
Okay, he's like three days, hey three,
that's the number right there.
God works a lot in threes.
Yeah, I mean, in terms of, well, let's see
how I can relate this to myself.
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Okay.
Because there's different,
there's levels to this.
You got people who don't know God
and searching for the truth.
Okay.
And then I remember I was in a time,
sorry if I sound like weird.
Cause you have the candy.
In your mouth.
Yeah.
Don't choke.
I won't, but this candy is really good.
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But.
Smacking over there.
Yeah, there was a time where I was searching
for the truth of what God's will over my life was.
Cause there's the will of God and His word.
That's just for everyone.
Blanket for everyone.
And then there is the God specific will over your life.
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You know what I mean?
Yes.
And so I already knew what the Bible will was.
Now where do I fall into that?
Yeah.
That one took some time.
I feel like that,
I'm glad you're talking about this actually.
Oh yeah.
Cause all of that led to this right now.
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I thought I was going to go one particular way.
And I thought I was.
I, you know, it made sense to me.
I had the personality for it.
Okay.
So it made sense and I started moving.
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Okay.
I'm proactive.
Even as a kid, I was proactive.
It's like, you know, if I wanted a little bit
of extra money, I'll do chores around the fam.
10 bucks, 20 bucks as a kid,
you feel like you got a million dollars.
You know, especially you saving up,
had over 200 bucks cash.
Wow.
You saved as a child?
Yes.
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At like 11, 12 years old.
You know, I had a wallet.
I never took it out the house,
but I would just keep all of my bills in there.
Over 200, like $230 straight cash from birthday money,
Christmas money and doing chores around the house.
Wow.
These change that I would find, you know,
I was proactive if I need a little, whatever it took,
you know.
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So believing that I was going to go one particular way,
me being proactive and a go-getter is like, let's move.
So I started moving and I'm thinking, okay,
this is the will of God over my life.
I'm going this route.
God has a very interesting and sometimes unpredictable way
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of letting you know that you not on the right path.
Correct.
And so when it ended up not being that,
it was like, well, dang,
I committed X amount of time going this way.
And it wasn't that, now I'm back at square one.
What the heck am I going to do?
Cause I'm a very, I'm a proactive, I'm a go-getter,
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and I'm like purpose driven.
Like there's always a why to what I do.
And so as far as like me being on earth,
it's like, I don't want to just be sitting here like,
chilling.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Like, left Kobe Bryant, laid great Kobe Bryant,
and he said, don't rest in the middle.
You rest at the end.
So it's like, I ain't like,
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I ain't just trying to sit here and just like chill
and do nothing.
It just kind of wait until that time comes and like,
then I kill over.
It's like, I'm not trying to do that.
Now let's make this meaningful.
Yeah.
And so back to square one, I was like, dang,
I don't really know this stuff.
And for me, cause there was other stuff going on internally,
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but for me to find that truth,
it took a lot of fashion and brain.
And then come to find out the signs were very subtle,
even as like a child of what it was.
You know, like I used to always write a lot of songs,
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like freshman, sophomore year.
I used to keep track of how many I wrote.
I think I wrote somewhere around 230.
In a year?
Not in a year,
but I ended up writing up to that amount.
Oh wow, okay.
I used to write a song, brand new song, full song,
every like two or three days.
Oh wow.
I got like 12 songs a month.
Wow.
Writing them.
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And I used to keep track of them.
I used to keep count.
And, but at that time I didn't really buy into the idea
of actually being a rapper.
You know, when I was 11, I had this idea in my head
of having my own film production company.
Oh wow.
I remember the day, I remember the day, the moment,
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and exactly what I was doing
when that thought first came into my head.
Playing Call of Duty.
I was like, it was like sixth grade.
I was like 11 years old, playing Call of Duty.
And it just randomly hit my head,
like the name and everything.
I ended up not choosing the name,
but just the idea was there.
And then as a kid, I used to write a lot of stories,
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a lot of short stories.
And some of the stories that I would write
is be like, dang, I wouldn't know where would a kid know
about that, like thinking in hindsight.
But like some of the arcs I would write,
I would write that at like four or five, six years old.
All of those signs were there.
You know what I mean?
Like listening to Christian rap growing up, I would like,
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my favorite rapper, Christian rapper growing up
was Ambassador from the Cross Movement Group.
They did their thing like late 90s, early 2000s.
So many people might not know who they are then,
but they're like pioneers of the Christian rap genre.
And Ambassador would float.
And in my head, I'm trying to follow.
I'm trying to follow in everything.
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And at the same time, I wasn't buying into the idea
of stepping into music.
I wasn't playing instruments at the time.
All of my older cousins were doing that.
All of my aunts were singing and stuff like that.
Grandparents, they was all singing and whatnot in church.
I had some cousins that would rap.
Some people in my family have put out music.
Everybody was singing, everybody was on instruments.
I wasn't doing that.
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You know, I wasn't.
I did play the drums for a little bit as a kid,
but that was mainly just for fun, just to like bang.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, oh, we in church.
You know how live church get,
I get to be on the drums and get live with y'all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That used to be so fun.
But it wasn't something I actually took real serious.
So eventually when it stopped being fun, I hopped off
and I wasn't doing anything for years.
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Okay.
And so, but all of those signs were there.
You know, even like running like the church's
like PA system and sound system being at the board.
I used to do that as a kid.
Like 10 years old, like adjusting mic volumes
and the gains and all of that stuff, that used to be me.
Now I do that.
Wow.
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You know what I mean?
Yeah.
All of the signs were there.
I just wouldn't buy into it.
But the realization took,
once I actually really started fasting and praying
and trying to figure out that kind of stuff,
it took some time and a lot of like reflecting
and stuff and God guided me along the way.
Cause I didn't really know entirely what was happening.
But things started making-
Till we ever.
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Right.
And like, but things started making sense.
Like, oh wow.
Like I've always been a writer.
Like, oh wow.
I've always been an over thinker, a deep thinker.
Like, oh wow.
I've always thought differently.
I've always really loved storytelling
and like being impactful and that's always been me.
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It was just a matter of like stepping out on the faith.
Cause I was a late musically, I was a late bloomer
in my family at least.
Cause I've had cousins and just a bunch of family members,
aunts and uncles and cousins that would,
that gravitated to music as children,
would play instruments and play several instruments
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or would be in the family choir and whatnot.
And they tried to get me to sing in Sunshine Band
and I wasn't with it.
Sunshine Band.
I'm not sunshine-ing.
Yeah, Sunshine Band for those that don't know,
it's like kids choir.
So they tried to get me in that
and they made me get in there,
but I didn't like the singing.
I didn't like the like standing up and like,
I didn't want to, I just didn't gravitate to it.
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I didn't start giving it a chance
until I was like 15 or 16.
Is that true?
And I'd actually start rapping.
I wrote my first song at like 13.
I didn't make, I wrote my first song at 13.
I didn't actually put, make my first song to release.
I didn't release my first song until I was like 18.
Wow, okay.
Yeah, it's a whole five years of like,
not much happening.
Right.
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And so in terms of like figuring out the truth,
it's like, I mean,
when it comes to God, if you already believe in God,
you know you can fast and pray.
You know that's the way to do it,
setting your heart towards God and fasting and praying
and really diving in and trying to seek that.
And then it's just like, giving it time.
But as far as like someone who doesn't know God
(34:05):
and trying to find the answers to that question,
then, like you did something really good.
Like, the whole like, God, if you're real, you know,
then do this and do that kind of thing.
I believe God hears that because he heard it with you.
And that's not the first time I've heard something like that.
So I guess that's something that I would recommend.
I can't really speak much to it because that's,
(34:25):
that's just not a part of my background.
But those who really want to seek the truth
and really find stuff out on their own,
I have enough faith to believe that God sees that
and will put the truth in their way.
And then it's just up to the person to buy into it.
(34:47):
You know, there's a part in the Bible where it says
that the gospel will be preached to all of the world.
And so I'm pretty sure, and I know for a fact,
God is like, okay, you know, God is, he's fair.
He's just, he's gonna give everyone an opportunity.
That way at the end, no one can say,
(35:08):
they didn't have enough.
No one had, oh, I never had an opportunity.
Because then it was like, well, dang, you know,
what would happen if I had an opportunity?
Who not?
Well, and God knows that.
So I believe he gives everyone an opportunity.
He gives multiple opportunities.
Several opportunities.
And it's just a matter of giving it a shot.
(35:29):
You know, like with the rapping thing,
I didn't know this was gonna turn into a podcast.
I didn't realize it was gonna turn into a business.
You know, and have an official, official team
of people that I do business with
and stuff while we shoot the podcast,
getting this filming going on.
Someone else is editing an episode.
And you know, Junior is mixing and mastering music right now
(35:52):
and all of that kind of stuff.
I didn't know it was gonna turn into this.
My first project, my only SoundCloud tape was like,
let me just see if I could do it.
That was my thing.
Let me just see if I can make something
that I think is cool enough to put out.
I just wanna know if I could do it.
Yeah.
And then I did it and I was like, okay,
well, I did it once.
Let me see if I could do it again, but better, you know?
(36:15):
And so that's kind of what I think.
If you really want to know the truth,
I believe that you will find it.
If you really, but you gotta be like diligent
about like searching, you know,
however, whatever that path is for you.
Right, it can't just be like, God show me.
And then it's like day one, nothing happens.
(36:36):
You ain't real.
It's like, yo.
For you, it was three days.
Yeah.
For me, in terms of like really figuring out
what my purpose was and understanding it,
it was years of development.
You know, it was years of,
it was years of having that desire
of wanting to know what I'm supposed to do down here,
but also years of development and years of, I went,
(36:58):
I'm 23 now.
I went, I'm gonna say about six to eight years
with no clarity.
Wow, that's a long time.
From like somewhere around 13 or 15.
13 or 15 to 21.
(37:21):
It was like a couple months before I turned 22
before God was like, okay,
now let me make these last 10 years of your life make sense.
And that is not an exaggerated number.
That is a legitimate actual number.
I did the math.
Like when we make these last eight, nine, 10 years
of your life make sense.
And he started making it make sense.
(37:43):
Mind you, in those eight, nine, 10 years,
I didn't know, I didn't understand why things were happening
the way they were happening.
You say, you said in the previous episode we saw that
you spoke about my maturity level.
Stuff happened.
Character development.
Stuff happened.
Trials.
You know, the scar on the side of my head,
(38:05):
scar on the side of my head, stuff happened.
You know what I mean?
It was just other like stuff in my personal life,
stuff in my spiritual life, mental stuff.
I had suicidal thoughts too.
Depression, I dealt with that too.
A lot of stuff happened within those eight to 10 years.
And once things calmed down, then that's when God was like,
(38:26):
all right, now let me make this make sense for you.
Because you've been sitting here,
you've been like this for years, you wanted to know why.
Now I'm gonna make it make sense.
And so if you really want to find the truth,
I believe that God will put the truth in your way.
And it's just up to you to accept that.
Yeah, and if you really want to conform to the truth,
again, the Lord will like really help you with that as well.
(38:49):
Yeah.
Fast and pray.
Fast and pray.
Seek diligently and you shall find him.
Yeah, if you already believe in God
and you're just like searching for whatever truth
for your life, whatever, maybe like God's specific will
over your life like with me, I suggest fasting and praying.
And doing whatever it takes like for me.
(39:10):
Like when I say stuff happens, like bro,
I would leave, I think my keys, yeah,
my keys are over there so I can't really do it.
But I would leave community college,
like early morning class,
if that was the only class I had that day,
I would leave at like 10 in the morning
and go down to the church and lock myself in and pray.
(39:31):
At like 19.
By myself.
I asked my dad if I can get a key made.
And I was a little nervous at first,
I didn't think he was gonna say yes,
but he was like, okay, yeah, cool.
Here's mine, go to A's Hardware
and get you a key made, it's like $2.
I'm like, really?
He's like, yeah.
So I went down the street and made a key.
And I started like frequently, it was a routine.
Like I would go down to the church by myself.
(39:53):
Like it started off with just,
you see you gotta start small and build
even on your like pathway to like figuring out whatever,
you know, whatever thing that you're trying to figure out
from God and just truth in general.
You know, like it started off just one day a week.
Cause sometimes I just gotta see if I can do it.
You know, I did it one day a week.
And I was like, okay, I can do it.
And then my dad was like,
(40:15):
you kind of would want to get consecutive days in.
So I'm like, okay.
So one day turned to three consecutive days a week.
And then I just kept maintaining.
And then I was feeling so good.
While things, while I was working through things
that I was holding onto and then like stuff
was starting to make sense.
One time I went five days in one week.
(40:36):
Oh wow, come on.
And so while stuff was still happening in my personal life
and I still didn't necessarily have that clarity.
Bye Auntie Leah.
But there was a legitimate drive and desire to,
for me get right with God
(40:56):
and to really learn and understand.
And then as I was doing that, more stuff started happening.
And then after things calmed down,
2021, 2021 is when,
(41:18):
yeah, it's when things really started to become easier
and more relaxed and not as crazy.
Cause I was still like keeling from past.
Look at that, that happened.
Once God was like, okay, he's ready to hear this.
And then he started dropping like life changing
like information.
It was like, yo snap.
(41:39):
I remember he dropped one bit of information
and I think it was June of 2021.
And then six months later, before the year closed out,
he dropped another piece of information.
And then those two instances made all of that make sense.
And made what we're doing right now makes sense.
(42:03):
So yeah, that's my story as far as finding truth
as the helicopter flies over us.
But I believe that, I believe that anyone can find it.
It's just a matter of doing whatever it requires you
to do for me.
For Mo, it was God, if you're real, blah, blah, blah, blah.
(42:24):
And God was like, okay, then three days later, boom.
For me, it was years worth of work, but consistency.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think that's a good note to end right there.
That's a great note to end.
Links down below.
Down, down, down, down, down, down.
(42:45):
What a bottom of the sea.
SpongeBob.
Wow, forevertransparent.com.
Yes.
Merch, podcast.
Music.
Check out the music, yes.
Social media.
Links to all of that down there.
Did I shout out Brandon this episode?
You did, let's do it again though.
Shout out Brandon behind the camera.
(43:06):
It's like, it's becoming tradition.
You gonna know who helps us and who's a part of the team.
Oh yeah, you know him by now.
You saw his face, he was on the Marvel episode.
We gonna include Brandon's social
and all of these descriptions too.
One thing I'm gonna make sure is you gonna know
everyone that makes this possible,
(43:27):
whether they're in front of the camera or not.
Yeah.
Catch y'all on the next episode.
Love you man, bye.
Bye.
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