February 3, 2025 • 33 mins
In this week's episode, Pastor Bob and Pastor Trent explore the promise of resurrection as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15, and the hope for new, glorified bodies for believers. We discuss the implications of Christ's resurrection on our future, delving into what eternal existence may look like.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
hey, we're back in the studio, it's podcast time
and bob's laughing.
What's up?
I was head bobbing to the music.
You have your cambridge shirton today.
What does that mean?
Uh, we have a game tonight.
Is it a district district?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
final tonight, final, so there's multiple districts
games right?
Yes, I don't understand yourquestion.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
In districts, do you have?
Is it a tournament?
Yes, has it worked?
Has it worked?
So you've already been indistricts.
This is the last game ofdistricts to see whether or not
you're like number one in thedistrict.
Correct, something.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Something like that.
Yes, yes, it's anend-of-the-year tournament of
the teams that are in ourdistrict.
If you win tonight, what doesthat mean?
Then we will definitely go onto a regional game.
Even if we don't win tonight,we'll probably go on to a
regional game, but we'lldefinitely go on.
If we win tonight, it'll be thefirst district championship in
school history, so that's prettycool for our guys, really.
(01:00):
Yeah, we've been to thedistrict championship game many
times before.
This will be the first timethat we will win it.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You say in school history for any sport.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No, no, no For soccer , for soccer, Men's soccer.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Now districts includes many games, Two, three.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, it's weird how they do it.
So we have a district, we haveteams that are in our district,
but we don't have to play themall year.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It's weird.
Okay, what about regionalsMultiple?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
games.
Regionals is once.
From this point on, it's oneand done.
You either win or you're out.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay.
So, but if you keep winning,how long has regionals last?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Uh, you have four games left to get to them.
Okay, four games left to get tothem Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The reason I ask is I ran cross and they can put
every team in one race.
And so regionals is one race.
Sectionals one race.
Districts one race.
I didn't know how soccer worked.
It spread out then.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
They've changed it over the years.
There used to be go fromregionals to sectionals, to
Final Four.
Now it's just a regionaltournament and then the winners
of those regional tournamentsget into the final four gotcha
gotcha.
Now you've made it intoregionals.
Oh yeah, we've made it toregionals last several past
regionals.
Uh, we've made it into regionalsemis in the past, okay so okay
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, better team this year than inthat.
We have a good team this yearyeah, we have some talent this
year, so exciting.
We have an opportunity boys dohey, cheese fromRoll.
One person in the room cares,hold on.
That turned up.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
In the C-Roll.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Which one is it?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's never, happened before.
Find the one that sounded likenighttime sleeping.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I don't know, how this works.
Which is the one that's oh, thecrickets, the crickets.
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think about it Okay .
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, you know what?
Everybody hates you when you'reon top.
Patty Mahomes is on top.
Yeah, come on.
Come on, he's in his MichaelJordan era.
He's doing a great job.
Boring Three-peat.
I'm not an.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
NFL guy anyway yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, yeah, have you been watching college basketball
?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
No, never watched college basketball.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I don't watch any basketball.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'll watch March Madness maybe, but don't tell
Teddy, I'm just not a bigbasketball guy, neither am I.
I'm telling Teddy, don't tellTeddy.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Tennessee was ranked number one and now they're
definitely not.
They lost to Vandy.
They lost to Kentucky Tuesdaynight.
They lost to someone elserecently, so I to someone else
recently.
I don't watch enough basketball.
I just hear these things.
I see the scores on my phone.
You watch golf?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Sometimes I don't go out of my way to watch a whole
tournament or anything, butsometimes I will.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's got to be boring, I'm telling all your
friends that you hate theirsports.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Does anyone like watching?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
golf Millions of people like watching it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Have you seen the new golf simulation game that?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
they've got going on the TGL.
I think it is Tiger Woods andRory McIlroy.
Put it together.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, but I remember we played at a Tiger Woods place,
yeah no, nothing like that, andI won.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Did I win?
I won right, I did win.
Oh, Mr Golf.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Guy.
All right, no, I have not seenthis Roy McIlroy Tiger Woods
thing.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
They play indoors.
It's like simulated golf.
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So it's like a screen and you hit it against the
screen and it kind of shows youyes, so you can.
This is like a top golf sort ofthing.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
you bring your friends, but then they have an
indoor green that's elevated andyou can chip onto it and you
can putt on it and it's it's.
It's an interesting concept.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't particularly like it yet, but it's
interesting tiger woods has tobe making so much money, oh gosh
, I mean obviously for beinglike the best golfer ever.
But on top of that, you knowhe's had the video game named
After Him Forever.
And then he's also got thatwhatever putt-putt that Trent's
really good at.
And then the thing with RoryMcIlroy, which is a whole other
system.
I mean just income, income,income.
That's wild Yep Pays.
(04:58):
You know, especially peoplethat are good from the NFL, like
Patrick Mahomes it pays, itpays.
And being winning seven AFCchampionships, I think, being in
five Superbowls and about towin three in a row, Is that the
fact of the day?
Nope Fact of the day.
Uh, did you know, pastor Bob?
Thank you, karen.
(05:19):
Did you know this?
This is uh from Calvin.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Did you?
You know this.
This is, uh, from calvin.
Did you know?
Um wait, so calvin johnson.
Calvin johnson has contributedto our podcast.
He's contributed to our podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This scares me multiple levels, as it should.
But uh, he, I was looking for afact of the day.
He knew I was looking for afact of the day and so he said
did you know this trend?
So I'm gonna say did you knowthis, bob?
So dollar bills have a serialnumber all on them, 10, 11
digits, identifying what bill is.
What Did you know?
If there is a star, a smallgreen star, following the green
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serial number, it means thatthat bill is a replacement bill
for one that has been damaged.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Did you know that?
No, I did not know that I don'tknow if anybody has any bills
on them.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Calvin Johnson is your source for this.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I went and looked up to double check.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Okay, it is correct, it is correct.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I don't know if I have a source on it, but let
me see here I'll look it up.
Dollar bill star meaning.
Here it is.
A star appears on some notes inplace of the last letter.
When an imperfect sheet ordollar bill is detected during
the manufacturing process afterthe serial number has serial
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number has been overprinted, itmust be replaced with a new
sheet.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
a star sheet is used to replace the imperfect sheet
so these aren't bills that werein circulation, that got damaged
, that are now being replaced.
It's damaged during printingprocess, I guess, so that's what
you just read.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, that's what you just read.
Yeah, that's what I just read,but I thought I read when a
printing error occurs.
Yeah, okay, so Calvin wasn'tmaybe totally correct.
Yep, there you go.
It's a printing error.
So look here.
Here's a picture of the star.
It's an itty bitty little greenstar.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I'll show you, see it oh, that star is so cute on the
left side of the bill.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I see it pretty well it would be impractical to try
to replace every damaged dollarbill that was in circulation
yeah, well, I don't know if mythought was when calvin said
that was, I mean significantlydamaged and somehow it.
You know, maybe a place reportsit or something like that.
Is this true for?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
all bill denominations or is it just for
the single dollar bill?
I don't have all the answers,pastor Bob.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You brought the question up.
You're the one that looks likefor any.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I would assume it would be for.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But it looks like for any.
Yeah, do you have any twodollar bills?
I do actually.
Yeah, do you have any $2 bills?
I do actually.
Yeah, we do too.
Yeah, do you have any $2 bills?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think I have two $2 bills.
Yeah, do you?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
have any $2 bills.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Grandparent that liked to give you $2 bills.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I had a grandparent actually that used to send me
McDonald's coupons, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
In the mail.
In the mail.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
My grandma, who's since passed away, just loved to
send random coupons that shewould find in newspapers.
Very thoughtful, it was verysweet.
As a little kid I was like,yeah, exactly, they used to have
McDonald's bucks.
Remember that A buck would getyou a snow cone, a kid's cone or
something like that.
I do remember that Very sweet.
I have a question for you.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm going to test your knowledge of caffeine.
Oh boy, the thing that youcannot have.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
This is just cruel and unusual punishment.
Well, why would you ask meabout something that I cannot
partake in any?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
longer Cruel, unusual and fun.
Here we go.
You're sadistic.
I am going to switch somewording here.
I want you to rank these teaand coffee drinks that I'm going
to list by caffeine density,from lowest to highest.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Caffeine density, caffeine amount.
I understand the word Yep.
You've repeated it, so I'mdouble checking.
I'm just verifying what I'mbeing asked.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
From lowest to highest.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That changes sometimes.
The tension today, gentlemen,is crazy.
I haven't been allowed to havecaffeine.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So the amount of caffeine in one serving, that's
important One serving.
So from lowest to highest, likean eight ounce 12 ounce.
So think of one cup of coffeeversus one shot of espresso
versus one cup of cold brew,sure sure, one general serving.
Okay, first one cup of coldbrew, sure sure, one general
serving.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So here is the list.
There are three teas and therest are coffee.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And we're going least dense to most dense.
Least to most, that's importantLeast to most Least to most.
Okay, matcha have you ever hadmatcha?
No, it's nasty.
It looks awful.
My sister loves that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It looks like ground grass.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Not all matcha is created equal.
Hey, come on now.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Come on now.
Your shirt is the color ofmatcha.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
No, it's lighter than this.
You are a matcha lady.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
This is a dark green.
Well, the mixture of these kindof colors, all right.
Matcha, nitro, cold brew, coldbrew.
So those are two different onesHot coffee, black tea, your
regular tea, espresso or greentea.
Rank them from lowest amount ofcaffeine to highest amount of
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caffeine and, as you do that,I'm going to look at my list to
make sure that I am at.
I've got it on the top of myhead, but I want to make sure.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Once again he's checking his sources.
Double check he never reveals.
I've got it on the top of myhead.
But I want to make sure.
Once again he's checking hissources.
Double check he never reveals.
I've got the answers.
Randomly picks Okay, lowest tohighest green tea at the bottom,
black tea next.
Okay, espresso after that.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Don't look it up, kara, I'm going to ask you too.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Okay, okay, I'm just making my list um, I would say
matcha, cold brew hot coffee.
Well, you're okay, cold brewhot coffee, got it.
Nitro has to be at the top,just by name alone.
Nitro, nice, just, you're notkind of nitro if it just put you
to sleep okay, so did I get allof them.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You're close.
You did list all of them, solet's go ahead and have Kara
guess.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You just told her I was close.
You just gave her a clue.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, but you still had to switch somewhere around.
Okay, kara, you go.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
From the bottom to the top Bottom to top Least to
the most.
I think that green tea has theleast amount.
Okay, then black tea, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You're not looking this up, correct?
No, I just typed it in my notes, okay.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Then matcha Okay, matcha.
Okay.
Then black coffee okay.
Then cold brew, then nitro coldbrew and I think espresso's at
the top, thinking about me,maybe not kara only has one in
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the wrong place.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It it's significantly in the wrong place.
It's like the price is right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Does she get to go back and move it when Kara?
Yes, Kara has one that issignificantly in the wrong place
.
The rest, if she moves it tothe right place.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think I know which one is wrong for her.
I have one that's significantlyin the wrong place.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Correct 100%.
What so, Bob?
You have about four that justright next to each other that
just kind of need to beflip-flopped a little bit.
I don't even remember my word,so it's like two that needs to
be flipped and another two thatneeds to be flipped, okay, okay,
so again, it's.
Bob said green tea, black tea,espresso, matcha cold brew, hot
coffee and nitro.
Kara said green tea, black tea,matcha, black coffee, cold brew
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, nitro cold brew and espresso.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Nobody remembers what we just said, what did Pastor
Bob say?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Huh, I have to really re-say that again.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, is that okay.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I guess Bob said green tea, black tea, so you
guys agree there.
And then he went espresso,matcha, cold brew, hot coffee,
nitro.
You guys are both really closethere's just a few of you.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That's moving around, so are we both really close?
So I'm going to flip matcha andespresso for me, is that right?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That is a correct switch.
Okay, and there's two othersyou need to switch.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Cold brew and hot coffee.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
If you switch cold brew and hot coffee, you have
got it perfect what You've gotit.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So, kara, you were right.
Just because I can't drink, itdoesn't mean I don't know what,
I don't mean about it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
You were right, Kara.
Except for espresso, you madeit the most strong, strongest.
So I'm just wrong about thatEspresso actually has less
caffeine almost by half of blackcoffee.
That's crazy.
A shot of espresso has 70milligrams of caffeine.
A cup of hot coffee has 140milligrams.
So, where does espresso go?
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So everybody thinks espresso islike super duper strong, and
it's strong because it's dense.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
There's a lot of it.
Yeah, caffeine in a smallamount concentrated.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So another thing too if you want to keep caffeine in
a drink, you you let the waterthat you're using sitting in the
coffee beans.
You leave it there longer.
So cold brew has to sit withthe coffee longer and actually
absorbs more caffeine.
Facts yeah, so the hotter andthe quicker, the less caffeine.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So where did espresso belong?
Was it between black coffee andmatcha?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So espresso is the least of all coffees.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
The least of all coffees, so it's green, then
black, then matcha.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Got it.
Then espresso, then blackcoffee cold brew and then nitro
cold brew.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So the colder you get it sits, the more caffeine
you're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, interesting.
There you go.
We learned something.
Welcome to the sports andcaffeine podcast.
I had a drip coffee today.
I was gonna do a pour over atthe coffee shop I met with the
guys at, but, honestly, the dripcoffee at foxtail is great.
It's great.
It tasted, I mean, pretty muchlike a pour over.
It was great quality.
It's really good.
Actually felt like they had.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Have you ever been to a coffee shop with Trent?
Have you had this experience inyour life?
I think.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I feel like I have See you act like I'm like really
meticulous with coffee.
There are people so much moremeticulous than me.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I do enjoy pour overs as well, I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, so here's why I'll explain.
Did you say paw?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The differentiation between going with Darren and
going with Trent is just nightand day.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, you say that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Give me plain black coffee, darren just likes the
sound.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
That's it.
Just give me a plain black cupof coffee.
Where is this one from?
Is it from Ethiopia, exactly?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
He smells the snifter or whatever it's called.
That's a mixer, that's like aSwiffer.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's a mixer.
That's like a Swiffer.
It's a cleaning utensil.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So here's the deal.
Here's the deal.
So if you get Folgers coffee,okay, or Maxwell house which I'm
not dogging, we have that atthe house, right?
If you get that, what'stypically happening is they've
got large farms in other partsof the country.
They're mixed together indifferent sources.
Large farms in other parts ofthe country they're mixed
together in different sources,right, so you don't have just
from one place.
Also, they harvest the beans,which are technically a fruit.
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They harvest them too early sothey overburn them to make them
taste like coffee.
Legitimately, I mean, we have abig source.
You just do what you can.
A lot of the local coffee shopsactually know an area where
they're getting it from andthey're actually watching the
process happen.
So you're not getting it, youknow, before it's ripe.
So that's cool.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I learned a life hack , that's why it tastes better at
aldi they have for for fivedollars, like five something,
they have a whole bag of wholebean.
What is it?
What is it called fair trade?
Okay, and like directly sourcedcoffee for only $5.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It does, it genuinely does taste different, like you
significantly can taste thedifference, and if you get pour
over, what's unique about pourover is not only it's less
bitter, but it has just beenground and so usually it's more
like full.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The last few times we've gone to a coffee shop
together, Darren and I haveordered our drinks, had our
drinks, drank our drinks beforehe actually gets his drink.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The last time we went to a coffee shop, Darren got
what I got.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We have finished drinking before he even gets his
order because it takes sostinking long to get it.
This is called pastoralexaggeration, is it?
Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That's called pastoral exaggeration.
Darren will order.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'll get something.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Darren will try it and be like man.
That was pretty good.
It's almost like I know whatI'm talking about.
Okay, hey, here's what I wantto talk about today, and this
can be a more brief conversationthan it probably sounds as it's
going to be.
I want us to look at 1Corinthians 15.
Now there are 58 verses, Ithink, in the chapter.
I don't have it in front of me,but I did teach on it last
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night.
There's a lot that he covers,but he has one point and the
point is let's get to it.
There's a number of issues inCorinthians.
The point of the matter inchapter 15 is the Corinthian
church had believed that Christrose from the dead.
They had no trouble believingthat by the power of the Holy
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Spirit.
They were convinced of the goodnews of the gospel of Christ.
Jesus died, was resurrected,raised on high, the right hand
of the Father.
But they were really strugglingto understand.
How are we going to be raisedor resurrected?
Is there life after death?
What does that look like?
I've seen, you know, funerals,and a family member's body goes
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into the ground.
Dirt is covering a casket.
How are they going to come upfrom the ground?
How's this all going to workand Paul actually in that text
calls them fools.
So here's what I just want totalk about.
What does 1 Corinthians 15teach us about the future?
What does it teach us about theresurrection?
And then, how does that give ushope for life in the future
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today?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, it covers a lot and it's a key passage.
It is foundational to ourChristian faith.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So, Pastor, Bob, someone, according to 1
Corinthians, chapter 15, how arewe to understand what we're
looking forward to as believers?
Christ has resurrected.
And then 1 Corinthians 15, Ithink verse 20 says since he has
been raised, we will also beraised.
If in Adam all die, those inChrist will live again, be
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raised as Christ was raisedRight and it's referred to as
the first fruits of theresurrection.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Christ is the first fruits, right, implying that
he's the first but not the last.
There'll be more to come, right.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So, then, is Christianity is not just the
message of hope for a pardonfrom our sin that we will not
bear the punishment of our sinbecause Christ did in our place
but also the story of Godredeeming all the earth and
resurrecting people in thepattern of Jesus.
So what we have to look forwardto is not only the fact that
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we'll be saved from wrath, butalso we'll be given a new life
and a new body fit for eternity,with God Sure.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So when Christ redeems us, he redeems the whole
man, not just our soul, heredeems our body as well.
So, just as Christ wasresurrected bodily from the
grave, he will resurrectHonestly.
He'll resurrect all people fromthe grave, and our soul and our
body will be reunited in adifferent, glorified state.
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Now there'll be those thataren't believers who will also
be resurrected, but they'll beresurrected to face judgment and
then spend eternity separatedfrom God, whereas believers will
be resurrected, our bodies willbe resurrected, be reunited
with our soul or spirit, beglorified, and then we'll live
with Christ in our glorifiedstate.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
One of Paul's arguments is that they're saying
this human body is going to bein the new heavens and new earth
, and Paul's argument is no,you're going to be given a brand
new, imperishable body.
The perishable body that younow inhabit, that is you.
It will die, but what goes intothe ground is not what's going
to come up, and so God has abody for you, fit for heaven.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah.
So the seed goes into theground, but it comes out
different.
The body goes into the groundperishable, but it comes out
imperishable, so it's adifferent.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
One of the words in the Greek means beautiful, so it
comes out more, even morebeautiful somehow.
Yeah, so you think of like um.
You know the illustration heuses, like you just said, is
like a seed going in.
But I've never went to my houseon my wife and I's anniversary,
knocked on the door, like Idon't need to knock on the door,
and just held up my hand andsaid here's seeds.
You know cause seeds are ugly,they're not what's to come out
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of the ground.
But I have said here's flowers.
Right, flowers are beautiful.
So somehow, some way, god andPaul says it, it's called a
mystery in verse 51.
God is going to make you newwhen he returns and I think it's
important.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So when is this?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
all going to happen the return of Jesus correct,
right, right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So their confusion in Corinthians wasn't necessarily
over Christ's resurrection, itwas over the resurrection of us,
of people.
And had they missed that?
When does that happen?
What does that look like?
Is it spiritual, is it physical?
And he said some of you areeven denying that it even
happens.
And if you deny theresurrection, then you just deny
the resurrection of Christ.
If you deny the resurrection ofChrist, then we're wasting our
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time, right.
If you deny the resurrection ofChrist, then we're wasting our
time, right?
The resurrection of Christ ispivotal to our salvation, but it
points to the fact that we canbe raised.
That's right.
So, yeah, it happens at hisreturn, and you can get into the
semantics of all that and thetimeline of all that, but at the
end of the day, it happens whenChrist returns.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Which I do want to talk about a little bit of that.
That was covered in 1Corinthians 15.
There could be differences oftimeline and stuff like that.
But there's one thing I want topoint out.
But you did say something thereI think is really important the
resurrection of Christ mayserve more than these two
purposes, but there are twopurposes.
Number one it shows that theprice Jesus paid upon the cross,
that he wrote in a check,cleared when he resurrected.
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He was who he says he was.
He did what he said he did.
He is the Christ, the sacrificewas acceptable to God.
Yeah.
So when he resurrected, that'sthe first thing Check cleared.
The second thing is he was, asit says, the first fruits of the
resurrection.
So he set the pattern by whichwe will be resurrected.
If he had not resurrected, wewill not be resurrected.
He had resurrected, we willresurrect.
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So if you're struggling withwhether or not humans can be
resurrected, look at Jesus.
It had already happened.
Right?
You're exactly right.
Tells the Corinthians.
Why are you struggling withthis?
You believe Jesus resurrected.
You don't think God can do thatagain?
Maybe you think of it this waythe same God who built you out
of the dust will have no problembringing you back out of it,
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right.
Right, and that's why Paul'slike you fools you foolish ones.
Why are you struggling withthis?
Yeah, yeah, now I said I wantto bring up timing just for a
minute here, because implied inthe text is when Christ returns,
we get resurrected bodies,right, okay, but we also believe
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that believers who have died inChrist are in the presence of
Christ.
So, you used a phrase earlierand I want to kind of go back to
it.
You said that our soul and ourbody will—so help me understand
that we're believers now, andresurrection is when this
happens, so is there still awaiting period for some.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So for believers now, to be absent from the body is
to be present with the Lord.
So we are spiritually in hispresence at the moment that we
take our last breath and weclose our eyes when this body
dies.
We're in his presence.
Don't know exactly what thatlooks like.
Is it just completely spiritual?
Is it some kind of intermediatebody?
Don't know.
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I don't know anyway, but thereis a time when Christ returns,
when those who are dead inChrist who are either buried,
they're in the sea.
they've been cremated.
Whatever it is, their ashescome back together and it's
reunited with, with their spiritin the sky, this new body, this
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new body, and we become likeChrist when we see him as he is,
we will become as he is.
So there is that.
Then, those who are still alive, even if those they haven't
died, that mortal body will betaken over by this glorified
body.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So, in short, even those who've died and gone to be
with Christ presently now atrest, revelation 6, to be, as
with their bodies, present withthe Lord.
2 Corinthians, christ says.
Paul says in the book ofPhilippians to live is Christ,
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to die as gain.
I'll be with him Um.
Jesus says to the thief on thecross today you'll be with me in
paradise.
So there's no question, thosewho've died believers are in the
presence of Christ, whateverthat looks like, but that does
not mean that they are in theirfinal state, correct.
There is something those whohave died in Christ and those
who are alive in Christ arestill waiting on, and that is
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the return of Christ, where weall will receive these new,
resurrected bodies, fit for anew place.
So in the timeline of God,there's still something great
coming, still something greatcoming right, and that includes
a new body and a new place,which 1 Corinthians doesn't
really talk about the place somuch.
That's in Revelation 21 and 22,.
Isaiah 65.
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But our new body is for thatnew place.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Correct, yeah, correct.
And then there'll be anotherresurrection that happens after
when Christ raises the dead whohave not trusted in him, to face
judgment, and that I believethat take place at a separate
time.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Just to clarify, though, that's not another
resurrection of those who'vealready been resurrected.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, that's a resurrection of the dead who
have rejected God.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
So these new bodies that we will get, we don't know
what they look like.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
My wife says I'm going to look better.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
My wife says that they're all young and skinny
that's what she says theglorified bodies are young and
skinny.
So is there an age you thinkyou know the best?
There's, there's differentschools of thought on this, of
course.
There, there's the school ofthought that says that, um, we
all come back at this, whateverthe prime age is for humanity,
so somewhere around the age of30, which I hesitate to say,
(27:02):
cause you're right there Um, Ido look.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I mean I looked at myself in the mirror this
morning.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I thought prime age Wow Um.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I did not do that.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So, not, so, not prime.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Um, so there, there's a school of thought that says
that when we are given these, uh, glorified bodies, that it will
be at whatever this perfect ageis a state of.
Some people believe that, thatyou just get a glorified body at
whatever age you are when youpassed away.
Um, which is interesting.
Um, so I don't know the answerto the question.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Um, I know that the best window to look at this
through is the resurrected bodyof Christ.
Um, that gives us a clue aboutwhat ours well, of course,
that's what he he was right whenhe passed as well.
But um, so their bodies thataren't bound by the same things
that our earthly bodies arebound by?
Um he, but there's continuitytoo.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
We're recognizable.
Jesus was recognizable.
Um will be recognizable.
He ate, he still could hug andtalk and communicate Um, but he
also could pass through doorswithout you know opening them.
So so will we be able to dothat, maybe so Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I don't know.
Our, our glorified bodies won'tallow us to be, uh, omnipotent.
We won't know everything.
We'll still learn thingsthroughout, throughout, uh,
eternity.
Uh, we won't be omnipresent.
While we may be able to not bebound by time and space, we
won't be able to be in molteverywhere all the time.
Um, and we won't be onipotent wewon't have all the power, but
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our bodies will definitely bedifferent than than they are now
.
They won't hurt to wake up.
They won't hurt no more sin, nomore pain, no more sinus
infection nor the things thatcause all of those things,
correct?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
yeah, um, yeah, I had another question, I can't
remember what it was.
So one thing that is a littlebit different in the New Heavens
and New Earth than in, maybe,the history of the Old Testament
and the New Testament is Godveils himself to his creation
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for their safety.
Throughout the Old Testament,seraphim's covering him, there's
theophanies and visions, butthere's not beholding the Lord
in his fullness.
Because how can one do such athing?
And I think that's one way inwhich our bodies will be
uniquely capable of being in thepresence of God, because that's
the whole point of Revelation21 and 22.
There's no light, because hispresence is the light.
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The dwelling place of God willbe with man.
We will behold his glory and notdie from it, which is pretty
cool.
The unique thing about the newheavens and earth maybe people
use Eden as an example.
Well, in Eden there was theserpent still there In
Revelation 20,.
Serpent's gone, he's done with.
In Eden there was the tree oflife and the tree of the
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knowledge of good and evil.
In the dunes north there's notree in the knowledge of good
and evil.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, but we have access to the tree of life again
, which?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
means you probably can eat, yeah, yeah, yeah, will
we be naked?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
it's a weird question in eden they were, but when we
see other instances of eldersand glorified beings, they're
robed in white or they haverobes on, so I'm going to say
probably no.
I think there's some kind ofrobe of righteousness or
something that we'll wear, but Idon't know exactly what that'll
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be.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Someone told us how to turn off the podcast right
when I said that in their car.
Okay, yeah, I'm trying to thinkof anything else.
Cs Lewis in his book the GreatDivorce he tried very poetically
, he tried to describe what it'slike and if I'm not mistaken he
talks about grass feels so muchstronger and you feel a lot
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more.
It's almost like you feel likeyou've never felt before.
Everything is more real, right?
So a lot of times when we thinkof heaven and sometimes we say
that word synonymous withintermediate state and the new
heavens, new earth, but the newheavens, new earth, um, we think
of being like ethereal floatingbeings.
But no, we'll have physicalbodies that will actually feel,
taste, touch.
Here Our senses will be, ifanything we can maybe guess,
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heightened.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, definitely heightened, I think,
and more aware of oursurroundings.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Our perfect surroundings.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, anything else about our new bodies?
I just don't think we.
I'll say this I don't think wetalk about this.
I mean just as Christians,enough how great this future is.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, I think when most people think about
heaven, they don't think about anew heaven and a new earth.
They think about clouds andpearly gates and people like you
say floating on clouds, playingharps all the time.
But there's a physical realityto the new heaven.
God is going to redeem hisearth, god is going to redeem
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his heavens and he'll redeem ourbodies and place them in them,
as he created them to be.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, I think the two significant things we need to
continually point out to peopleof what our hope is in the new
heavens.
New earth is no sin andeverything in a sinful body.
It's real and then in thepresence of God.
Yeah Right, so a remade earthwith remade bodies and real
presence of God.
Yeah, yeah, okay, exciting, Ithink.
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Every time we mentionedresurrection, we think about
Jesus's resurrection.
But because Jesus resurrected,we will also resurrect, will I?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
be able to drink caffeine then.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know, caffeine is from the Lord.
I do believe.
I believe and when he returns,uh, your heart won't have the
fluttering it has, and so Ithink you'll be able to drink
some caffeine, whether it'sespresso, nitro cold brew or
matcha.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I will not be in order.
I won't go to the coffee bar inheaven going.
Can I have a pour over please?
It will all be pour overs.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's good, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You know, everything that could make the coffee bean
just a little bit rougher won'tbe there, and so the coffee
beans will just be lookingforward to it Awesome, hey.
Well, thanks for listening in.
Hopefully this was helpful andmakes you begin to think about
the things to come.
See you later.
Our button's not working.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Bye, have a great time.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
There we go, see you later.
hey, we're back in the studio, it's podcast time
and bob's laughing.
What's up?
I was head bobbing to the music.
You have your cambridge shirton today.
What does that mean?
Uh, we have a game tonight.
Is it a district district?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
final tonight, final, so there's multiple districts
games right?
Yes, I don't understand yourquestion.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
In districts, do you have?
Is it a tournament?
Yes, has it worked?
Has it worked?
So you've already been indistricts.
This is the last game ofdistricts to see whether or not
you're like number one in thedistrict.
Correct, something.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Something like that.
Yes, yes, it's anend-of-the-year tournament of
the teams that are in ourdistrict.
If you win tonight, what doesthat mean?
Then we will definitely go onto a regional game.
Even if we don't win tonight,we'll probably go on to a
regional game, but we'lldefinitely go on.
If we win tonight, it'll be thefirst district championship in
school history, so that's prettycool for our guys, really.
(01:00):
Yeah, we've been to thedistrict championship game many
times before.
This will be the first timethat we will win it.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You say in school history for any sport.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No, no, no For soccer , for soccer, Men's soccer.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Now districts includes many games, Two, three.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, it's weird how they do it.
So we have a district, we haveteams that are in our district,
but we don't have to play themall year.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It's weird.
Okay, what about regionalsMultiple?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
games.
Regionals is once.
From this point on, it's oneand done.
You either win or you're out.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay.
So, but if you keep winning,how long has regionals last?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Uh, you have four games left to get to them.
Okay, four games left to get tothem Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The reason I ask is I ran cross and they can put
every team in one race.
And so regionals is one race.
Sectionals one race.
Districts one race.
I didn't know how soccer worked.
It spread out then.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
They've changed it over the years.
There used to be go fromregionals to sectionals, to
Final Four.
Now it's just a regionaltournament and then the winners
of those regional tournamentsget into the final four gotcha
gotcha.
Now you've made it intoregionals.
Oh yeah, we've made it toregionals last several past
regionals.
Uh, we've made it into regionalsemis in the past, okay so okay
(02:13):
, better team this year than inthat.
We have a good team this yearyeah, we have some talent this
year, so exciting.
We have an opportunity boys dohey, cheese fromRoll.
One person in the room cares,hold on.
That turned up.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
In the C-Roll.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Which one is it?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's never, happened before.
Find the one that sounded likenighttime sleeping.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I don't know, how this works.
Which is the one that's oh, thecrickets, the crickets.
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think about it Okay .
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, you know what?
Everybody hates you when you'reon top.
Patty Mahomes is on top.
Yeah, come on.
Come on, he's in his MichaelJordan era.
He's doing a great job.
Boring Three-peat.
I'm not an.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
NFL guy anyway yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, yeah, have you been watching college basketball
?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
No, never watched college basketball.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I don't watch any basketball.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'll watch March Madness maybe, but don't tell
Teddy, I'm just not a bigbasketball guy, neither am I.
I'm telling Teddy, don't tellTeddy.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Tennessee was ranked number one and now they're
definitely not.
They lost to Vandy.
They lost to Kentucky Tuesdaynight.
They lost to someone elserecently, so I to someone else
recently.
I don't watch enough basketball.
I just hear these things.
I see the scores on my phone.
You watch golf?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Sometimes I don't go out of my way to watch a whole
tournament or anything, butsometimes I will.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's got to be boring, I'm telling all your
friends that you hate theirsports.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Does anyone like watching?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
golf Millions of people like watching it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Have you seen the new golf simulation game that?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
they've got going on the TGL.
I think it is Tiger Woods andRory McIlroy.
Put it together.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, but I remember we played at a Tiger Woods place,
yeah no, nothing like that, andI won.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Did I win?
I won right, I did win.
Oh, Mr Golf.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Guy.
All right, no, I have not seenthis Roy McIlroy Tiger Woods
thing.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
They play indoors.
It's like simulated golf.
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So it's like a screen and you hit it against the
screen and it kind of shows youyes, so you can.
This is like a top golf sort ofthing.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
you bring your friends, but then they have an
indoor green that's elevated andyou can chip onto it and you
can putt on it and it's it's.
It's an interesting concept.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't particularly like it yet, but it's
interesting tiger woods has tobe making so much money, oh gosh
, I mean obviously for beinglike the best golfer ever.
But on top of that, you knowhe's had the video game named
After Him Forever.
And then he's also got thatwhatever putt-putt that Trent's
really good at.
And then the thing with RoryMcIlroy, which is a whole other
system.
I mean just income, income,income.
That's wild Yep Pays.
(04:58):
You know, especially peoplethat are good from the NFL, like
Patrick Mahomes it pays, itpays.
And being winning seven AFCchampionships, I think, being in
five Superbowls and about towin three in a row, Is that the
fact of the day?
Nope Fact of the day.
Uh, did you know, pastor Bob?
Thank you, karen.
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Did you know this?
This is uh from Calvin.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Did you?
You know this.
This is, uh, from calvin.
Did you know?
Um wait, so calvin johnson.
Calvin johnson has contributedto our podcast.
He's contributed to our podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This scares me multiple levels, as it should.
But uh, he, I was looking for afact of the day.
He knew I was looking for afact of the day and so he said
did you know this trend?
So I'm gonna say did you knowthis, bob?
So dollar bills have a serialnumber all on them, 10, 11
digits, identifying what bill is.
What Did you know?
If there is a star, a smallgreen star, following the green
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serial number, it means thatthat bill is a replacement bill
for one that has been damaged.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Did you know that?
No, I did not know that I don'tknow if anybody has any bills
on them.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Calvin Johnson is your source for this.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I went and looked up to double check.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Okay, it is correct, it is correct.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I don't know if I have a source on it, but let
me see here I'll look it up.
Dollar bill star meaning.
Here it is.
A star appears on some notes inplace of the last letter.
When an imperfect sheet ordollar bill is detected during
the manufacturing process afterthe serial number has serial
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number has been overprinted, itmust be replaced with a new
sheet.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
a star sheet is used to replace the imperfect sheet
so these aren't bills that werein circulation, that got damaged
, that are now being replaced.
It's damaged during printingprocess, I guess, so that's what
you just read.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, that's what you just read.
Yeah, that's what I just read,but I thought I read when a
printing error occurs.
Yeah, okay, so Calvin wasn'tmaybe totally correct.
Yep, there you go.
It's a printing error.
So look here.
Here's a picture of the star.
It's an itty bitty little greenstar.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I'll show you, see it oh, that star is so cute on the
left side of the bill.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I see it pretty well it would be impractical to try
to replace every damaged dollarbill that was in circulation
yeah, well, I don't know if mythought was when calvin said
that was, I mean significantlydamaged and somehow it.
You know, maybe a place reportsit or something like that.
Is this true for?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
all bill denominations or is it just for
the single dollar bill?
I don't have all the answers,pastor Bob.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You brought the question up.
You're the one that looks likefor any.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I would assume it would be for.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But it looks like for any.
Yeah, do you have any twodollar bills?
I do actually.
Yeah, do you have any $2 bills?
I do actually.
Yeah, we do too.
Yeah, do you have any $2 bills?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think I have two $2 bills.
Yeah, do you?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
have any $2 bills.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Grandparent that liked to give you $2 bills.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I had a grandparent actually that used to send me
McDonald's coupons, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
In the mail.
In the mail.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
My grandma, who's since passed away, just loved to
send random coupons that shewould find in newspapers.
Very thoughtful, it was verysweet.
As a little kid I was like,yeah, exactly, they used to have
McDonald's bucks.
Remember that A buck would getyou a snow cone, a kid's cone or
something like that.
I do remember that Very sweet.
I have a question for you.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm going to test your knowledge of caffeine.
Oh boy, the thing that youcannot have.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
This is just cruel and unusual punishment.
Well, why would you ask meabout something that I cannot
partake in any?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
longer Cruel, unusual and fun.
Here we go.
You're sadistic.
I am going to switch somewording here.
I want you to rank these teaand coffee drinks that I'm going
to list by caffeine density,from lowest to highest.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Caffeine density, caffeine amount.
I understand the word Yep.
You've repeated it, so I'mdouble checking.
I'm just verifying what I'mbeing asked.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
From lowest to highest.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That changes sometimes.
The tension today, gentlemen,is crazy.
I haven't been allowed to havecaffeine.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So the amount of caffeine in one serving, that's
important One serving.
So from lowest to highest, likean eight ounce 12 ounce.
So think of one cup of coffeeversus one shot of espresso
versus one cup of cold brew,sure sure, one general serving.
Okay, first one cup of coldbrew, sure sure, one general
serving.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So here is the list.
There are three teas and therest are coffee.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And we're going least dense to most dense.
Least to most, that's importantLeast to most Least to most.
Okay, matcha have you ever hadmatcha?
No, it's nasty.
It looks awful.
My sister loves that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It looks like ground grass.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Not all matcha is created equal.
Hey, come on now.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Come on now.
Your shirt is the color ofmatcha.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
No, it's lighter than this.
You are a matcha lady.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
This is a dark green.
Well, the mixture of these kindof colors, all right.
Matcha, nitro, cold brew, coldbrew.
So those are two different onesHot coffee, black tea, your
regular tea, espresso or greentea.
Rank them from lowest amount ofcaffeine to highest amount of
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caffeine and, as you do that,I'm going to look at my list to
make sure that I am at.
I've got it on the top of myhead, but I want to make sure.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Once again he's checking his sources.
Double check he never reveals.
I've got it on the top of myhead.
But I want to make sure.
Once again he's checking hissources.
Double check he never reveals.
I've got the answers.
Randomly picks Okay, lowest tohighest green tea at the bottom,
black tea next.
Okay, espresso after that.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Don't look it up, kara, I'm going to ask you too.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Okay, okay, I'm just making my list um, I would say
matcha, cold brew hot coffee.
Well, you're okay, cold brewhot coffee, got it.
Nitro has to be at the top,just by name alone.
Nitro, nice, just, you're notkind of nitro if it just put you
to sleep okay, so did I get allof them.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You're close.
You did list all of them, solet's go ahead and have Kara
guess.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You just told her I was close.
You just gave her a clue.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, but you still had to switch somewhere around.
Okay, kara, you go.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
From the bottom to the top Bottom to top Least to
the most.
I think that green tea has theleast amount.
Okay, then black tea, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You're not looking this up, correct?
No, I just typed it in my notes, okay.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Then matcha Okay, matcha.
Okay.
Then black coffee okay.
Then cold brew, then nitro coldbrew and I think espresso's at
the top, thinking about me,maybe not kara only has one in
(11:54):
the wrong place.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It it's significantly in the wrong place.
It's like the price is right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Does she get to go back and move it when Kara?
Yes, Kara has one that issignificantly in the wrong place
.
The rest, if she moves it tothe right place.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think I know which one is wrong for her.
I have one that's significantlyin the wrong place.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Correct 100%.
What so, Bob?
You have about four that justright next to each other that
just kind of need to beflip-flopped a little bit.
I don't even remember my word,so it's like two that needs to
be flipped and another two thatneeds to be flipped, okay, okay,
so again, it's.
Bob said green tea, black tea,espresso, matcha cold brew, hot
coffee and nitro.
Kara said green tea, black tea,matcha, black coffee, cold brew
(12:31):
, nitro cold brew and espresso.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Nobody remembers what we just said, what did Pastor
Bob say?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Huh, I have to really re-say that again.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, is that okay.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I guess Bob said green tea, black tea, so you
guys agree there.
And then he went espresso,matcha, cold brew, hot coffee,
nitro.
You guys are both really closethere's just a few of you.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That's moving around, so are we both really close?
So I'm going to flip matcha andespresso for me, is that right?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That is a correct switch.
Okay, and there's two othersyou need to switch.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Cold brew and hot coffee.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
If you switch cold brew and hot coffee, you have
got it perfect what You've gotit.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So, kara, you were right.
Just because I can't drink, itdoesn't mean I don't know what,
I don't mean about it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
You were right, Kara.
Except for espresso, you madeit the most strong, strongest.
So I'm just wrong about thatEspresso actually has less
caffeine almost by half of blackcoffee.
That's crazy.
A shot of espresso has 70milligrams of caffeine.
A cup of hot coffee has 140milligrams.
So, where does espresso go?
(13:33):
So everybody thinks espresso islike super duper strong, and
it's strong because it's dense.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
There's a lot of it.
Yeah, caffeine in a smallamount concentrated.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So another thing too if you want to keep caffeine in
a drink, you you let the waterthat you're using sitting in the
coffee beans.
You leave it there longer.
So cold brew has to sit withthe coffee longer and actually
absorbs more caffeine.
Facts yeah, so the hotter andthe quicker, the less caffeine.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So where did espresso belong?
Was it between black coffee andmatcha?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So espresso is the least of all coffees.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
The least of all coffees, so it's green, then
black, then matcha.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Got it.
Then espresso, then blackcoffee cold brew and then nitro
cold brew.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So the colder you get it sits, the more caffeine
you're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, interesting.
There you go.
We learned something.
Welcome to the sports andcaffeine podcast.
I had a drip coffee today.
I was gonna do a pour over atthe coffee shop I met with the
guys at, but, honestly, the dripcoffee at foxtail is great.
It's great.
It tasted, I mean, pretty muchlike a pour over.
It was great quality.
It's really good.
Actually felt like they had.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Have you ever been to a coffee shop with Trent?
Have you had this experience inyour life?
I think.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I feel like I have See you act like I'm like really
meticulous with coffee.
There are people so much moremeticulous than me.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I do enjoy pour overs as well, I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, so here's why I'll explain.
Did you say paw?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The differentiation between going with Darren and
going with Trent is just nightand day.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, you say that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Give me plain black coffee, darren just likes the
sound.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
That's it.
Just give me a plain black cupof coffee.
Where is this one from?
Is it from Ethiopia, exactly?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
He smells the snifter or whatever it's called.
That's a mixer, that's like aSwiffer.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's a mixer.
That's like a Swiffer.
It's a cleaning utensil.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So here's the deal.
Here's the deal.
So if you get Folgers coffee,okay, or Maxwell house which I'm
not dogging, we have that atthe house, right?
If you get that, what'stypically happening is they've
got large farms in other partsof the country.
They're mixed together indifferent sources.
Large farms in other parts ofthe country they're mixed
together in different sources,right, so you don't have just
from one place.
Also, they harvest the beans,which are technically a fruit.
(15:44):
They harvest them too early sothey overburn them to make them
taste like coffee.
Legitimately, I mean, we have abig source.
You just do what you can.
A lot of the local coffee shopsactually know an area where
they're getting it from andthey're actually watching the
process happen.
So you're not getting it, youknow, before it's ripe.
So that's cool.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I learned a life hack , that's why it tastes better at
aldi they have for for fivedollars, like five something,
they have a whole bag of wholebean.
What is it?
What is it called fair trade?
Okay, and like directly sourcedcoffee for only $5.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It does, it genuinely does taste different, like you
significantly can taste thedifference, and if you get pour
over, what's unique about pourover is not only it's less
bitter, but it has just beenground and so usually it's more
like full.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The last few times we've gone to a coffee shop
together, Darren and I haveordered our drinks, had our
drinks, drank our drinks beforehe actually gets his drink.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The last time we went to a coffee shop, Darren got
what I got.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We have finished drinking before he even gets his
order because it takes sostinking long to get it.
This is called pastoralexaggeration, is it?
Is it?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That's called pastoral exaggeration.
Darren will order.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'll get something.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Darren will try it and be like man.
That was pretty good.
It's almost like I know whatI'm talking about.
Okay, hey, here's what I wantto talk about today, and this
can be a more brief conversationthan it probably sounds as it's
going to be.
I want us to look at 1Corinthians 15.
Now there are 58 verses, Ithink, in the chapter.
I don't have it in front of me,but I did teach on it last
(17:20):
night.
There's a lot that he covers,but he has one point and the
point is let's get to it.
There's a number of issues inCorinthians.
The point of the matter inchapter 15 is the Corinthian
church had believed that Christrose from the dead.
They had no trouble believingthat by the power of the Holy
(17:44):
Spirit.
They were convinced of the goodnews of the gospel of Christ.
Jesus died, was resurrected,raised on high, the right hand
of the Father.
But they were really strugglingto understand.
How are we going to be raisedor resurrected?
Is there life after death?
What does that look like?
I've seen, you know, funerals,and a family member's body goes
(18:04):
into the ground.
Dirt is covering a casket.
How are they going to come upfrom the ground?
How's this all going to workand Paul actually in that text
calls them fools.
So here's what I just want totalk about.
What does 1 Corinthians 15teach us about the future?
What does it teach us about theresurrection?
And then, how does that give ushope for life in the future
(18:28):
today?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, it covers a lot and it's a key passage.
It is foundational to ourChristian faith.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
So, Pastor, Bob, someone, according to 1
Corinthians, chapter 15, how arewe to understand what we're
looking forward to as believers?
Christ has resurrected.
And then 1 Corinthians 15, Ithink verse 20 says since he has
been raised, we will also beraised.
If in Adam all die, those inChrist will live again, be
(19:00):
raised as Christ was raisedRight and it's referred to as
the first fruits of theresurrection.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Christ is the first fruits, right, implying that
he's the first but not the last.
There'll be more to come, right.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So, then, is Christianity is not just the
message of hope for a pardonfrom our sin that we will not
bear the punishment of our sinbecause Christ did in our place
but also the story of Godredeeming all the earth and
resurrecting people in thepattern of Jesus.
So what we have to look forwardto is not only the fact that
(19:31):
we'll be saved from wrath, butalso we'll be given a new life
and a new body fit for eternity,with God Sure.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So when Christ redeems us, he redeems the whole
man, not just our soul, heredeems our body as well.
So, just as Christ wasresurrected bodily from the
grave, he will resurrectHonestly.
He'll resurrect all people fromthe grave, and our soul and our
body will be reunited in adifferent, glorified state.
(20:00):
Now there'll be those thataren't believers who will also
be resurrected, but they'll beresurrected to face judgment and
then spend eternity separatedfrom God, whereas believers will
be resurrected, our bodies willbe resurrected, be reunited
with our soul or spirit, beglorified, and then we'll live
with Christ in our glorifiedstate.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
One of Paul's arguments is that they're saying
this human body is going to bein the new heavens and new earth
, and Paul's argument is no,you're going to be given a brand
new, imperishable body.
The perishable body that younow inhabit, that is you.
It will die, but what goes intothe ground is not what's going
to come up, and so God has abody for you, fit for heaven.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, yeah.
So the seed goes into theground, but it comes out
different.
The body goes into the groundperishable, but it comes out
imperishable, so it's adifferent.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
One of the words in the Greek means beautiful, so it
comes out more, even morebeautiful somehow.
Yeah, so you think of like um.
You know the illustration heuses, like you just said, is
like a seed going in.
But I've never went to my houseon my wife and I's anniversary,
knocked on the door, like Idon't need to knock on the door,
and just held up my hand andsaid here's seeds.
You know cause seeds are ugly,they're not what's to come out
(21:16):
of the ground.
But I have said here's flowers.
Right, flowers are beautiful.
So somehow, some way, god andPaul says it, it's called a
mystery in verse 51.
God is going to make you newwhen he returns and I think it's
important.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So when is this?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
all going to happen the return of Jesus correct,
right, right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So their confusion in Corinthians wasn't necessarily
over Christ's resurrection, itwas over the resurrection of us,
of people.
And had they missed that?
When does that happen?
What does that look like?
Is it spiritual, is it physical?
And he said some of you areeven denying that it even
happens.
And if you deny theresurrection, then you just deny
the resurrection of Christ.
If you deny the resurrection ofChrist, then we're wasting our
(21:55):
time, right.
If you deny the resurrection ofChrist, then we're wasting our
time, right?
The resurrection of Christ ispivotal to our salvation, but it
points to the fact that we canbe raised.
That's right.
So, yeah, it happens at hisreturn, and you can get into the
semantics of all that and thetimeline of all that, but at the
end of the day, it happens whenChrist returns.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Which I do want to talk about a little bit of that.
That was covered in 1Corinthians 15.
There could be differences oftimeline and stuff like that.
But there's one thing I want topoint out.
But you did say something thereI think is really important the
resurrection of Christ mayserve more than these two
purposes, but there are twopurposes.
Number one it shows that theprice Jesus paid upon the cross,
that he wrote in a check,cleared when he resurrected.
(22:38):
He was who he says he was.
He did what he said he did.
He is the Christ, the sacrificewas acceptable to God.
Yeah.
So when he resurrected, that'sthe first thing Check cleared.
The second thing is he was, asit says, the first fruits of the
resurrection.
So he set the pattern by whichwe will be resurrected.
If he had not resurrected, wewill not be resurrected.
He had resurrected, we willresurrect.
(22:58):
So if you're struggling withwhether or not humans can be
resurrected, look at Jesus.
It had already happened.
Right?
You're exactly right.
Tells the Corinthians.
Why are you struggling withthis?
You believe Jesus resurrected.
You don't think God can do thatagain?
Maybe you think of it this waythe same God who built you out
of the dust will have no problembringing you back out of it,
(23:22):
right.
Right, and that's why Paul'slike you fools you foolish ones.
Why are you struggling withthis?
Yeah, yeah, now I said I wantto bring up timing just for a
minute here, because implied inthe text is when Christ returns,
we get resurrected bodies,right, okay, but we also believe
(23:49):
that believers who have died inChrist are in the presence of
Christ.
So, you used a phrase earlierand I want to kind of go back to
it.
You said that our soul and ourbody will—so help me understand
that we're believers now, andresurrection is when this
happens, so is there still awaiting period for some.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So for believers now, to be absent from the body is
to be present with the Lord.
So we are spiritually in hispresence at the moment that we
take our last breath and weclose our eyes when this body
dies.
We're in his presence.
Don't know exactly what thatlooks like.
Is it just completely spiritual?
Is it some kind of intermediatebody?
Don't know.
(24:29):
I don't know anyway, but thereis a time when Christ returns,
when those who are dead inChrist who are either buried,
they're in the sea.
they've been cremated.
Whatever it is, their ashescome back together and it's
reunited with, with their spiritin the sky, this new body, this
(24:50):
new body, and we become likeChrist when we see him as he is,
we will become as he is.
So there is that.
Then, those who are still alive, even if those they haven't
died, that mortal body will betaken over by this glorified
body.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So, in short, even those who've died and gone to be
with Christ presently now atrest, revelation 6, to be, as
with their bodies, present withthe Lord.
2 Corinthians, christ says.
Paul says in the book ofPhilippians to live is Christ,
(25:25):
to die as gain.
I'll be with him Um.
Jesus says to the thief on thecross today you'll be with me in
paradise.
So there's no question, thosewho've died believers are in the
presence of Christ, whateverthat looks like, but that does
not mean that they are in theirfinal state, correct.
There is something those whohave died in Christ and those
who are alive in Christ arestill waiting on, and that is
(25:47):
the return of Christ, where weall will receive these new,
resurrected bodies, fit for anew place.
So in the timeline of God,there's still something great
coming, still something greatcoming right, and that includes
a new body and a new place,which 1 Corinthians doesn't
really talk about the place somuch.
That's in Revelation 21 and 22,.
Isaiah 65.
(26:08):
But our new body is for thatnew place.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Correct, yeah, correct.
And then there'll be anotherresurrection that happens after
when Christ raises the dead whohave not trusted in him, to face
judgment, and that I believethat take place at a separate
time.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Just to clarify, though, that's not another
resurrection of those who'vealready been resurrected.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, that's a resurrection of the dead who
have rejected God.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
So these new bodies that we will get, we don't know
what they look like.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
My wife says I'm going to look better.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
My wife says that they're all young and skinny
that's what she says theglorified bodies are young and
skinny.
So is there an age you thinkyou know the best?
There's, there's differentschools of thought on this, of
course.
There, there's the school ofthought that says that, um, we
all come back at this, whateverthe prime age is for humanity,
so somewhere around the age of30, which I hesitate to say,
(27:02):
cause you're right there Um, Ido look.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I mean I looked at myself in the mirror this
morning.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
I thought prime age Wow Um.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I did not do that.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So, not, so, not prime.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Um, so there, there's a school of thought that says
that when we are given these, uh, glorified bodies, that it will
be at whatever this perfect ageis a state of.
Some people believe that, thatyou just get a glorified body at
whatever age you are when youpassed away.
Um, which is interesting.
Um, so I don't know the answerto the question.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Um, I know that the best window to look at this
through is the resurrected bodyof Christ.
Um, that gives us a clue aboutwhat ours well, of course,
that's what he he was right whenhe passed as well.
But um, so their bodies thataren't bound by the same things
that our earthly bodies arebound by?
Um he, but there's continuitytoo.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
We're recognizable.
Jesus was recognizable.
Um will be recognizable.
He ate, he still could hug andtalk and communicate Um, but he
also could pass through doorswithout you know opening them.
So so will we be able to dothat, maybe so Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I don't know.
Our, our glorified bodies won'tallow us to be, uh, omnipotent.
We won't know everything.
We'll still learn thingsthroughout, throughout, uh,
eternity.
Uh, we won't be omnipresent.
While we may be able to not bebound by time and space, we
won't be able to be in molteverywhere all the time.
Um, and we won't be onipotent wewon't have all the power, but
(28:45):
our bodies will definitely bedifferent than than they are now
.
They won't hurt to wake up.
They won't hurt no more sin, nomore pain, no more sinus
infection nor the things thatcause all of those things,
correct?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
yeah, um, yeah, I had another question, I can't
remember what it was.
So one thing that is a littlebit different in the New Heavens
and New Earth than in, maybe,the history of the Old Testament
and the New Testament is Godveils himself to his creation
(29:19):
for their safety.
Throughout the Old Testament,seraphim's covering him, there's
theophanies and visions, butthere's not beholding the Lord
in his fullness.
Because how can one do such athing?
And I think that's one way inwhich our bodies will be
uniquely capable of being in thepresence of God, because that's
the whole point of Revelation21 and 22.
There's no light, because hispresence is the light.
(29:41):
The dwelling place of God willbe with man.
We will behold his glory and notdie from it, which is pretty
cool.
The unique thing about the newheavens and earth maybe people
use Eden as an example.
Well, in Eden there was theserpent still there In
Revelation 20,.
Serpent's gone, he's done with.
In Eden there was the tree oflife and the tree of the
(30:02):
knowledge of good and evil.
In the dunes north there's notree in the knowledge of good
and evil.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, but we have access to the tree of life again
, which?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
means you probably can eat, yeah, yeah, yeah, will
we be naked?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
it's a weird question in eden they were, but when we
see other instances of eldersand glorified beings, they're
robed in white or they haverobes on, so I'm going to say
probably no.
I think there's some kind ofrobe of righteousness or
something that we'll wear, but Idon't know exactly what that'll
(30:37):
be.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Someone told us how to turn off the podcast right
when I said that in their car.
Okay, yeah, I'm trying to thinkof anything else.
Cs Lewis in his book the GreatDivorce he tried very poetically
, he tried to describe what it'slike and if I'm not mistaken he
talks about grass feels so muchstronger and you feel a lot
(30:59):
more.
It's almost like you feel likeyou've never felt before.
Everything is more real, right?
So a lot of times when we thinkof heaven and sometimes we say
that word synonymous withintermediate state and the new
heavens, new earth, but the newheavens, new earth, um, we think
of being like ethereal floatingbeings.
But no, we'll have physicalbodies that will actually feel,
taste, touch.
Here Our senses will be, ifanything we can maybe guess,
(31:22):
heightened.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, definitely heightened, I think,
and more aware of oursurroundings.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Our perfect surroundings.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, anything else about our new bodies?
I just don't think we.
I'll say this I don't think wetalk about this.
I mean just as Christians,enough how great this future is.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, I think when most people think about
heaven, they don't think about anew heaven and a new earth.
They think about clouds andpearly gates and people like you
say floating on clouds, playingharps all the time.
But there's a physical realityto the new heaven.
God is going to redeem hisearth, god is going to redeem
(32:01):
his heavens and he'll redeem ourbodies and place them in them,
as he created them to be.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, I think the two significant things we need to
continually point out to peopleof what our hope is in the new
heavens.
New earth is no sin andeverything in a sinful body.
It's real and then in thepresence of God.
Yeah Right, so a remade earthwith remade bodies and real
presence of God.
Yeah, yeah, okay, exciting, Ithink.
(32:30):
Every time we mentionedresurrection, we think about
Jesus's resurrection.
But because Jesus resurrected,we will also resurrect, will I?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
be able to drink caffeine then.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know, caffeine is from the Lord.
I do believe.
I believe and when he returns,uh, your heart won't have the
fluttering it has, and so Ithink you'll be able to drink
some caffeine, whether it'sespresso, nitro cold brew or
matcha.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I will not be in order.
I won't go to the coffee bar inheaven going.
Can I have a pour over please?
It will all be pour overs.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's good, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
You know, everything that could make the coffee bean
just a little bit rougher won'tbe there, and so the coffee
beans will just be lookingforward to it Awesome, hey.
Well, thanks for listening in.
Hopefully this was helpful andmakes you begin to think about
the things to come.
See you later.
Our button's not working.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Bye, have a great time.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
There we go, see you later.
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