March 9, 2025 • 25 mins
In this episode, Pastor Bob and Pastor Trent get together to talk about the transformative power of the Fruit of the Spirit, emphasizing how cultivating a relationship with Christ leads to authentic change. We discuss...
• Differences between spiritual gifts and the fruit of the Spirit
• Why pursuing Christ leads to a Spirit-filled life
• The contrast between living by the Spirit or by the flesh
• Characteristics of Christ-like behavior stemming from fellowship with God
• The communal aspect of developing the fruit of the Spirit
• The importance of self-control as a reflection of spiritual maturity
Join us on this week's episode to learn a bit more about love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-controool!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
hey bob, hi trent pastor, bob, pastor trent, how
are you?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm all right today.
How are you?
I'm doing good.
I woke up.
It's not like a crick in myneck, but I just I feel like I
need to like stretch a littlebit.
Are you getting older with age?
You know it could, it could be,it could be.
I don't see any gray hair yet.
I mean I do see some right now.
Easy, but it's across the table.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's not A lot of it, a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
But yeah, but yeah, I wake up in the morning and I
hurt.
That didn't used to be the case.
It used to be hard to fallasleep at night and now I can
just go straight out.
Right, I wake up earlier than Iever did.
Right, I'm just?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
up and around.
I know you wake up really earlyoften.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You're just describing getting older.
I have to go to the bathroom 12times a night.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm kidding.
Now you're getting personal.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Blessed.
I'm doing well, better than Ideserve.
Better than I deserve, okay,dan.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Ramsey.
Well, hey, we have a goodconversation in store for us
today, I believe.
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We always have good conversations.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I think so yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
But we're solo today.
Well, a duo today.
Yeah, that's right, it's been along time, since it's just been
the two of us here in thepodcast room.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We are sans Kara.
Kara's taking a comp day.
She's enjoying time with herspouse.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Good for her.
Jaden Smith, well earned.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Not that Jaden Smith, her Jaden Smith.
Yes, yeah, our Jaden Smith, ourJaden Smith, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
We claim him.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Hey, so you guys are about to move, I'm about to move
.
A lot of people from FEC Tampaare about to move.
Some people from Wesley Chapelare about to move.
It is a moving season.
It is, but let's clarify.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You're not moving to Knoxville.
We're not moving out of thecity, we're just relocating to a
different area of our area.
You are moving to a differentstate starting a new church.
I'm staying right here.
They can't get rid of me thateasy.
I rid of me that easy.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm just real darling and I are buying a new home.
So, yes, exciting, that's aword.
Yes, you're still going to be a.
How do you say so, knoxvillian?
How do you say Tampa, tampanian, tampanian Is that really how
it is, I'll be a Tennessean, aKnoxvillian.
Uh, you're going to remain aFloridian and a Tampanian Sure.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Well, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Why, tampanian?
I don't know.
That's a lot of extra letters.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, there's another way to say it, but it's not
very nice.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So Tampanian is probably.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Hey, well, I have been on a few flights here
lately, but flying is kind ofscary.
There's been a lot of accents.
There have been more you knowwhich recently.
Yeah, I remember reading a newsarticle last year that there
hadn't been a significant planecrash or accident in years with
like a passenger plane.
And yet in the last few monthsthere's been quite a few, which
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is sad it is.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
It is sad we got on our flight down to the DR the
day after the incident in DC sothat was the topic of
conversation for many peoplegetting on the plane that day.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
There's been a number of incidents since.
There was one in Philadelphia,if I remember right.
There was one where a planeoverturned after it had landed.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, that was in Canada, if I remember right.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And then there was something in was itussia or
somewhere in the, in europe,maybe even yeah, there's been.
There's been quite a few.
Well, I don't want to makelight of those situations and
those issues, but I do want togive you a fact that's kind of
eye-opening I'm not sure I wantthis fact after that setup.
I know over 50 of pilots haveadmitted to falling asleep
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mid-flight, and of these pilots,29 that said that when they
woke up, their co-pilot wasasleep as well.
Wow, wow, they're.
So that's 50.
Had admitted to, right, so thatmeans it's probably higher but,
from what I understand, once aplane is up in the air, it's
auto, it's auto.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's pretty much.
It's pretty much automated.
Sure, yeah, they even haveblankets up there for them.
Yeah, yeah, but they supposedlyare supposed to take shifts
when they're sleeping.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I understand, so, yeah, but you know and the pilot
isn't as much because of theautopilot, isn't as much trying
to drive it every second, butrather keep it from issues and,
you know, take over if autopilotfails.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And I'm sure there's alarm bells that start going off
and whatnot, if, if, if there'sissues.
So, yeah, while it's a, yeah,I'm not really hoping that my
next long, long flight has bothmy pilot and my co-pilot napping
.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, um, I'm not really stressed about it either
on a double-decker plane, so aplane that's going over 10 hours
.
Let's say that, um, do youthink there's more than two
pilots, like is there?
Yeah, I think there's usually alarger crew.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah for that, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But I I think there is yeah, I would think like if
they're, if you're flying toaustralia, it's a you know
number of hours.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
yeah, there's probably more than two guys At
the end of the month I'm flyingto Turkey, and that's an 11-hour
flight.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So I'll ask yeah, you should.
I'll just knock on the cabindoor.
If you want to hop in, you can.
Yeah, I'll just knock on.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Hey, can I come in?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
They used to let kids ride at the front of the thing
in Disney.
What do you call that?
The?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
front, the front of the thing, oh, the like, the L
train, the Chicago monorail, themonorail.
Thank you Um kind of the samething right Similar.
I'm like a kid at Disney world.
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's right.
That's right.
Um, here's a fun question foryou.
What is one of the worst food?
You know items you've eaten ormeals?
You know if you're driving?
If you're driving, if you'reflying a long distance, usually
meals are provided.
So, what's one of the worstmeals.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Sometimes, when you're on international flights,
you get international food onthose flights, yeah, and
sometimes you just don't knowwhat.
It is, right, right.
So yeah, there's.
There's been a couple of timeswhen I've flown out of countries
and I'm not, but you're sohungry and you want to do
something to keep busy whenyou're out on those long flights
, so you tend to eat it anyway,but I don't even know what to
tell you it was.
It was not good.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
A lot of flights to Europe, in my understanding,
have wine, hot tea or water.
That's like the, that's likethe drink.
Oh yeah, I think.
But I was coming back fromGermany to the States a few
years back and it was the driestbread that I've ever eaten on a
sandwich of just pimento cheese, and I'm not a pimento cheese
fan Lovely.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Ugh, it's bad.
Crack a tooth and eat pimentocheese all at the same time.
It was so bad.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It came with a KitKat , though, and I ate the KitKat.
Okay, kitkat was nice, okay,yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't think I have any other stories about planes.
We've exhausted our planeexperiences?
Yeah, I do, but I'm trying toget people to go to South Africa
with me, so I don't want toshare any of those long, long
flight stories.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I had about a 10-minute delay coming back here
late night this past Sundaynight from Houston, and the
delay was not an issue with theplane.
It was that they were waitingon flight attendants.
So what's going on there?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Were the flight attendants in the former flight
like Maybe they were delayed ontheir flight getting?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, but why did they stay on the same plane?
Maybe they were going to bedfor the night yeah, shifts.
So the night shift was comingand they?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
weren't there yet, so I got delayed one time.
On the ground, everything'sperfectly fine with the plane.
Flight attendants are in place,everybody's luggage is packed
away.
We've we've pushed back fromthe gate, we're waiting to taxi
out, and we sit there, and wesit there, and we sit there, and
it's probably hot.
It's hot and finally they saywe can't continue because the
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seat belt demonstration buckleis not on board no way no way
they had.
Somebody had to bring a seatbelt demonstration buckle so
that we could see that whichnobody pays attention to.
But you know, yeah, everybody'sgot their headphones in yeah,
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
So I'm just going to say something.
Some of those straps are largerstraps that are on the chairs.
I think there's designatedchairs for that right.
Could you not use an aislechair that was open and no one
was sitting in and just kind ofsay, look down lower here?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
and here's how it goes in Apparently, not,
apparently not.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
All right, got a question for you.
Okay, hey, if you had to makethe case that you were living in
a Truman Show situation, all asimulation.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So, like the movie the Truman Show, which I've
never seen by the way Don't lookat me like that You've not seen
a bunch of really good movies,never once seen it.
I know what you're referring to, but I've never once seen it.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Okay, well, here's the deal.
So at the SBC in 2025, we arewatching the Truman Show.
It's probably top 10 for me Nottop 5, but it's top 10.
Okay, it's a great movie.
It really is.
What does he say?
Good afternoon, good eveningand good night.
So it's all like he is livinginside of a fake world.
He was born and raised there.
Okay, everybody's an actor andthere's video screens everywhere
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and the outside world iswatching him live his life.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He's the show, okay, all right.
So what's the question then?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I'm sorry if you had to make the case that you were
living in a truman show it's allsimulation, okay what evidence
would you use?
I got one.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay that my wife loves me.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, I mean, I'm very thankful.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That's implausible.
Otherwise, that's right, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I thought that was very nice.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Your wife doesn't listen to the podcast, does she?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
She has listened to a number of episodes.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay, well, maybe she'll hear this one.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That'll work and I'll get an extra smooch, yeah,
smooch, yeah, yeah.
Good for you.
All right, what about you?
Yeah, my whole life is just ablessing.
So you know that bottle ofwater exists.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's just, that's crazy.
How wild is that?
Yeah, no, I'm not.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm just not.
I'm not familiar enough withthe movie to make a.
Okay, I ruined your fact of theday or question of the day, or
whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
If you listen to the podcast and you know Bob's email
, you can go and email him andsay watch the Truman Show, come
on, it's a great movie.
Watch the Truman Show.
We'll watch it at the 2025 SBC.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I'm not against it, I've just never taken the time
to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, you're going to be for it in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
All right, here's the topic.
We're going to talk about thefruit of the Spirit, okay, okay.
So we're talking about the HolySpirit, we're talking about
fruit it produces in the life ofa Christian.
It is mentioned in Galatians,chapter 5, and in Galatians,
chapter 5, paul is writingpretty frustrated to a church
that has given in to a falsegospel.
Toward the end, he is helpingthem with sanctification and
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know what it means and what itmeans to live out their faith.
He contrasts walking by theSpirit, being led by the Spirit
and bearing the fruit of theSpirit with being gratifying the
desires of the flesh andgratifying sin of the flesh.
So one is what a Christianshould look like, should produce
, should do.
The other is what a Christianshould leave behind in their
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former life.
So what is Bob?
This is a simple podcastepisode.
I think it will be a quick one.
What is the fruit of the Spirit?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Sure.
So the fruit of the Spirit isnot a banana, not a coconut,
it's not an apple, it's none ofthose, okay.
Nor is it spiritual gifts,right.
Ah so spiritual gifts are givento us through the Holy Spirit
and outpouring of the HolySpirit in a believer's life that
equips us, enables us to doworks of service for the
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building up of the body ofChrist, that's a totally
different thing.
The fruit of the Spirit is justthe beneficial result of being
in a right relationship, a closerelationship with Christ and
allowing the Spirit to driveyour life, to fill your life, to
control your life.
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So it's the overflow of theSpirit, the beneficial result of
the Spirit's characteristicscoming out in a believer who's
walking by the Spirit.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Overflow is the word I was going to use right so it's
an overflow of a Christianabiding in Christ right.
And he is the vine, we are thebranches.
The fruit should be produced ifwe are soaking up the nutrients
of God's Word andfellowshipping with God.
So, whereas the gifts of theSpirit plural, they're
individual gifts given by God'sSpirit for the building up of
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the church, for others in thechurch and believers might have
one or might have the other, andmay not have some and may not
have the other the fruit of theSpirit is not like that, correct
.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Right, it's not a breakfast buffet, it's not
fruits of the Spirit.
It's singular, the fruit of theSpirit.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So you're not picking and choosing these.
I want some love, I want somejoy.
I don't want any patience.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
It's not that you don't have one guy in the church
, that's the joyful guy.
One guy in the church, that'sthe patient guy.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
These are all aspects of the Spirit that should be
demonstrating themselves in thebeliever's life as an overflow
of his walk or her walk with theSpirit.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Okay, so really it is Christ's likeness, a
description of Christ's likeness, because in the book of Acts.
The Spirit of God is also theSpirit of Christ, and so
Christ's Spirit is seen and madevisible as we abide in Christ,
as we walk as Christ walked, aswe plant our roots deep in God's
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word and prayer, and theseshould be visible evidences of
God's work in and through ourlife.
Fruit is born of fellowshipwith God, then.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
That's good, okay, yeah, and you mentioned Paul.
In Galatians five.
There's drawing a clearcontrast to somebody who is
walking in the flesh and if Iremember right, his verses 19
through 21 describes if you'rein the flesh, these are the
deeds of the flesh, and it justgives a list and it's not a
pretty list of the overflow ofwalking in the flesh.
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Then he contrasts that inverses 22 and 23 with the fruit
of the spirit.
This is the overflow of thespirit in somebody who is
walking in the spirit.
And he says in verse 24,therefore, if you have trusted
in Christ, you have crucifiedthe flesh and you now no longer
live by the flesh, you live bythe spirit.
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And if you live by the spirit,then you ought to walk by the
spirit.
So it is this contrast betweenwhat it looks like when we just
live in the flesh and walk onour own abilities and our own
humanness and our own fallennature, versus allowing the
spirit to control us, to havefellowship with him and let that
fellowship overflow into thebeneficial results.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I see a little bit of a comparison with Romans
chapter eight, verse two, whereit says the law of the spirit of
life has set you free, inChrist Jesus, from the law of
sin and death.
Now he is talking about the lawthere of sin and death, even
the Mosaic law that condemns usfrom Romans chapter seven.
But he mentions this law of thespirit of life.
The law there is like a rule, aruling of God's spirit in your
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life.
You are where you did have asin-ruled life.
Now you have a spirit-ruledlife.
So we live by the spirit, wewalk by the spirit, we be led by
the spirit.
That being the case, thesearen't individual attributes
that we're trying to ascertainone at a time.
I think that's really important.
So when someone looks at thefruit of the Spirit, they're not
to take them apart to say man,I just really need to be more
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joyous.
I want to be more joyful.
Where can I add joy in my life?
Now, those aren't bad things,that's just not the point.
So I'm going to wake up and I'mgoing to think about all the
things I have to give God.
You know, my happiness and joy,again, not bad things.
There's probably scripturalprecedent for that.
But it might be better to go toa verse in scripture, like in
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the Psalms or in the Proverbs,where it says in your presence
there is fullness of joy, right,and so let's pursue fellowship
with the lord, abide in him.
And what is produced from that?
Pursuing christ, we areproducing christ-likeness yeah,
yeah, so you.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So what you're saying is we don't pursue the
individual aspects of the fruitlove, patience, kindness we
pursue christ and as we pursuechrist, those things begin to
develop in us and demonstrateout of us.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Every person becomes like the person they follow.
Right, you are like the personyou spend the most time with.
So if you want to beChrist-like, which is visible in
these fruits, you spend timewith Christ.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And scripture also teaches us that we are no longer
to be slaves to the flesh.
We're not slaves to thatanymore.
Now we become slaves to Christ,and so we are no longer serving
the flesh, we're serving Christ.
And so all of this speaks intothis close walk with Christ,
this close fellowship with himthat allows the spirit to grow,
to take control and thendemonstrate the characteristics
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of God Christ-likeness in andthrough us.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You ever heard that phrase?
I mean, I'm going back to whatI already said, but you ever
heard that phrase you show meyour friends and I'll show you
your future.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yes, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Maybe you're someone looking to date a guy and you
don't know enough about him, ordate a girl and you don't know
enough about her.
Look at the person, not thatshe presents herself or he
presents himself to be in amoment, but look at the people
they spend time around, right,because that's who they are
probably most like or willbecome most like.
And so, yeah, if you want toproduce Christ-like
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characteristics, that isproduced by pursuing him, by
spending time with him, bymeditating upon his life, his
death, his ministry, hisresurrection.
You become most like those youspend the most time with.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, the phrase I used to use back in the dark
ages when I was doing studentministry was you become like the
friends you choose?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
If you look or if you want to know what you're going
to look like in the future.
Just look at the friends you'rechoosing to hang out with.
The people you're allowing tospeak into your life.
You're going to become likethem.
They're going to have thatimpact on you.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
This is somewhat of Paul's point.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It is, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, it is, yeah, okay.
So what is the?
Let's just answer this lastlittle bit.
So what's the net result ofthat?
What's the benefits to theinner person and the outside
world when fruit is produced inthe life of a believer?
They're producing holiness fitfor heaven.
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God is shaping them Sure,sanctification.
He's sanctifying us.
Maybe a good answer here is welook most like Christ, spending
time with Christ for a worldthat needs Christ.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Right.
We image God, and God'sultimate purpose in our lives is
Christlikeness.
Yeah, he's working to make usinto the image of his son and so
, yeah, this is the result ofthe fruit, as we become more
like Christ.
And the reason we become morelike Christ while we're still
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here on earth is because then wecan best represent God to a
lost world, to a world thatneeds Christ.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And isn't that not exactly the reason Christ made
humans in his image, to imagehim everywhere, right, right.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Christ is the image of the invisible God, and so we
image God in a world that needshim and has turned their back
from him.
When we pursue Christ-likenessand therefore produce
Christ-likeness, pursue Christand produce Christ-likeness,
exactly, yeah.
Any more words to say on this?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, there's not to say that there isn't some
benefit to having these fruit ofthe Spirit growing within us to
have love and to understandwhat joy is and peace.
Those are helpful for us.
But it's also demonstratinglove to others, demonstrating
joy to others, having peace withothers, having patience with
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others, which is justlong-temperedness, or remaining
under control, being kind,kindness, which is just actually
having concern for other people.
Goodness is just an uprightlife that looks out for others.
Faithfulness, just a steadfast,constant, unwavering allegiance
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to that which is right, beinggentle.
I think meekness is anotherword, which meekness is not
weakness.
Meekness is power under control.
What a better description ofGod is there than power under
control?
And then, of course,self-control, constraint.
So all of these demonstrate theaspects of God that we benefit
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from having it in our lives, butwe benefit also by having them
so that we might be able tobenefit others and demonstrate
Christ.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Two things I want to point out that I just think are
helpful, maybe just putting somefences around some questions
about the fruits of the Spirit,the fruit of the Spirit.
I keep saying it wrong thefruit of the Spirit.
The first is, when we look atthe gifts of the Spirit, these
are sovereignly distributedsupernatural works by which God
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cares for his church.
Through us, he gifts usuniquely to teach, to show
hospitality, to serve towhatever it might be, but those
are all unique from one anotherin the local church in the way
that God wants to give them.
Church in the way that Godwants to give them.
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I say that for this reason,because there is a strain of
theology that believes thatspeaking in tongues, for example
, is the visible fruit by whichwe know we're believers, and I
would say, actually, that's thefruit of the Spirit.
How you know you have theSpirit of God is well, are you
producing fruit of being withGod?
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Right, so the visible evidenceof salvation is not a particular
gift, because they're all givenand distributed differently.
How God chooses, the visibleevidence of having a
relationship with Christ is thefruit of His Spirit.
Yes, I think that's reallyimportant for people to hear.
I think that's really importantfor people to hear.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I think that's good.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
The second thing, just to put another kind of
fence around some things, is theself-control, self-control
being a fruit of the spirit.
A lot of times when we think ofthe spirit's work in the life
of a church, in the life of abeliever, it's spontaneous, it's
maybe even so far sayingerratic, and yet it seems as if
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one of the key characteristicsof God's spirit at work in the
life of a believer is theirability to be controlled in the
right way, to not be erratic, tothink through and be of sound
mind their actions, yeah if Iremember right, the word
self-control in the originallanguage literally means in
power or in control.
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It's sober-mindedness, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So I'm not out of control, I'm under control.
It's also interesting that youcan find almost all the fruit of
the Spirit displayed in thechurch in the New Testament,
encouraged in the church in theNew Testament, encouraged in the
church in the New Testament,taught to the church in the New
Testament, because this is howGod demonstrates himself through
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the life of the church.
So love, 1 Corinthians, chapter13,.
Joy, romans, chapter 15,patience, james, chapter James,
chapter five.
You know.
So all of these we see over andover again in scripture uh
goodness, matthew, chapter five.
Um faithfulness, hebrews,chapter 11,.
Uh, gentleness, matthew,chapter 21.
So all of them are justrepeatedly instructed in the
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church.
Um, because I think we can,even though this is the fruit of
the spirit, the outpouring ofspirit in our lives, we can work
on these aspects um life of thechurch and in our individual
lives as we strive todemonstrate the characteristics
of God.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So let me say a theological phrase I think this
would be true in one way is thecommunicable attributes of God
meaning they are an example oran expression of God's character
, who he is, he is gentle, he isself-controlled.
And communicable meaning wealso may have those attributes.
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Incommunicable would beattributes that we obviously
can't have.
We are not sovereign, we don'tknow all things, we are not all
places at all times, but we canbe loving as our God is loving,
we can be patient as our God ispatient, and so these are the
attributes of time with the Lord.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, I think that's Becoming more like God.
That's a fancy word, but it's agood word.
Yeah, communicable,communicable, hey.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Communicable, Communicable.
Hey well, thanks for listeningin.
I don't think there's anythingelse to say here.
I think this is one of ourshortest episodes.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, I don't think we need to beat that one to
death.
It's a good conversation,though, and yeah, so it was a
good time.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well thanks.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Maybe it's shorter because Kara's not here.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That's probably it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
She talks.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So much.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
well enjoy the new house you too, enjoy the new
state.
I haven't bought one yet.
I'm in the process, but you'llget there.
I'll get there, but this isn'tour last podcast.
Before you move right, we'llhave more are we going to
podcast after I move?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
we'll have to figure it out, you're the podcast guru.
Okay, well, it'll be fun if wecan it would be nice great time.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I said it.
I did it wrong.
hey bob, hi trent pastor, bob, pastor trent, how
are you?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm all right today.
How are you?
I'm doing good.
I woke up.
It's not like a crick in myneck, but I just I feel like I
need to like stretch a littlebit.
Are you getting older with age?
You know it could, it could be,it could be.
I don't see any gray hair yet.
I mean I do see some right now.
Easy, but it's across the table.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's not A lot of it, a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
But yeah, but yeah, I wake up in the morning and I
hurt.
That didn't used to be the case.
It used to be hard to fallasleep at night and now I can
just go straight out.
Right, I wake up earlier than Iever did.
Right, I'm just?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
up and around.
I know you wake up really earlyoften.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You're just describing getting older.
I have to go to the bathroom 12times a night.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm kidding.
Now you're getting personal.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Blessed.
I'm doing well, better than Ideserve.
Better than I deserve, okay,dan.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Ramsey.
Well, hey, we have a goodconversation in store for us
today, I believe.
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We always have good conversations.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I think so yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
But we're solo today.
Well, a duo today.
Yeah, that's right, it's been along time, since it's just been
the two of us here in thepodcast room.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We are sans Kara.
Kara's taking a comp day.
She's enjoying time with herspouse.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Good for her.
Jaden Smith, well earned.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Not that Jaden Smith, her Jaden Smith.
Yes, yeah, our Jaden Smith, ourJaden Smith, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
We claim him.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Hey, so you guys are about to move, I'm about to move
.
A lot of people from FEC Tampaare about to move.
Some people from Wesley Chapelare about to move.
It is a moving season.
It is, but let's clarify.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You're not moving to Knoxville.
We're not moving out of thecity, we're just relocating to a
different area of our area.
You are moving to a differentstate starting a new church.
I'm staying right here.
They can't get rid of me thateasy.
I rid of me that easy.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm just real darling and I are buying a new home.
So, yes, exciting, that's aword.
Yes, you're still going to be a.
How do you say so, knoxvillian?
How do you say Tampa, tampanian, tampanian Is that really how
it is, I'll be a Tennessean, aKnoxvillian.
Uh, you're going to remain aFloridian and a Tampanian Sure.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Well, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Why, tampanian?
I don't know.
That's a lot of extra letters.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, there's another way to say it, but it's not
very nice.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So Tampanian is probably.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Hey, well, I have been on a few flights here
lately, but flying is kind ofscary.
There's been a lot of accents.
There have been more you knowwhich recently.
Yeah, I remember reading a newsarticle last year that there
hadn't been a significant planecrash or accident in years with
like a passenger plane.
And yet in the last few monthsthere's been quite a few, which
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is sad it is.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
It is sad we got on our flight down to the DR the
day after the incident in DC sothat was the topic of
conversation for many peoplegetting on the plane that day.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
There's been a number of incidents since.
There was one in Philadelphia,if I remember right.
There was one where a planeoverturned after it had landed.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, that was in Canada, if I remember right.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And then there was something in was itussia or
somewhere in the, in europe,maybe even yeah, there's been.
There's been quite a few.
Well, I don't want to makelight of those situations and
those issues, but I do want togive you a fact that's kind of
eye-opening I'm not sure I wantthis fact after that setup.
I know over 50 of pilots haveadmitted to falling asleep
(03:44):
mid-flight, and of these pilots,29 that said that when they
woke up, their co-pilot wasasleep as well.
Wow, wow, they're.
So that's 50.
Had admitted to, right, so thatmeans it's probably higher but,
from what I understand, once aplane is up in the air, it's
auto, it's auto.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's pretty much.
It's pretty much automated.
Sure, yeah, they even haveblankets up there for them.
Yeah, yeah, but they supposedlyare supposed to take shifts
when they're sleeping.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I understand, so, yeah, but you know and the pilot
isn't as much because of theautopilot, isn't as much trying
to drive it every second, butrather keep it from issues and,
you know, take over if autopilotfails.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And I'm sure there's alarm bells that start going off
and whatnot, if, if, if there'sissues.
So, yeah, while it's a, yeah,I'm not really hoping that my
next long, long flight has bothmy pilot and my co-pilot napping
.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, um, I'm not really stressed about it either
on a double-decker plane, so aplane that's going over 10 hours
.
Let's say that, um, do youthink there's more than two
pilots, like is there?
Yeah, I think there's usually alarger crew.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah for that, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But I I think there is yeah, I would think like if
they're, if you're flying toaustralia, it's a you know
number of hours.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
yeah, there's probably more than two guys At
the end of the month I'm flyingto Turkey, and that's an 11-hour
flight.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So I'll ask yeah, you should.
I'll just knock on the cabindoor.
If you want to hop in, you can.
Yeah, I'll just knock on.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Hey, can I come in?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
They used to let kids ride at the front of the thing
in Disney.
What do you call that?
The?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
front, the front of the thing, oh, the like, the L
train, the Chicago monorail, themonorail.
Thank you Um kind of the samething right Similar.
I'm like a kid at Disney world.
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's right.
That's right.
Um, here's a fun question foryou.
What is one of the worst food?
You know items you've eaten ormeals?
You know if you're driving?
If you're driving, if you'reflying a long distance, usually
meals are provided.
So, what's one of the worstmeals.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Sometimes, when you're on international flights,
you get international food onthose flights, yeah, and
sometimes you just don't knowwhat.
It is, right, right.
So yeah, there's.
There's been a couple of timeswhen I've flown out of countries
and I'm not, but you're sohungry and you want to do
something to keep busy whenyou're out on those long flights
, so you tend to eat it anyway,but I don't even know what to
tell you it was.
It was not good.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
A lot of flights to Europe, in my understanding,
have wine, hot tea or water.
That's like the, that's likethe drink.
Oh yeah, I think.
But I was coming back fromGermany to the States a few
years back and it was the driestbread that I've ever eaten on a
sandwich of just pimento cheese, and I'm not a pimento cheese
fan Lovely.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Ugh, it's bad.
Crack a tooth and eat pimentocheese all at the same time.
It was so bad.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It came with a KitKat , though, and I ate the KitKat.
Okay, kitkat was nice, okay,yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't think I have any other stories about planes.
We've exhausted our planeexperiences?
Yeah, I do, but I'm trying toget people to go to South Africa
with me, so I don't want toshare any of those long, long
flight stories.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I had about a 10-minute delay coming back here
late night this past Sundaynight from Houston, and the
delay was not an issue with theplane.
It was that they were waitingon flight attendants.
So what's going on there?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Were the flight attendants in the former flight
like Maybe they were delayed ontheir flight getting?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, but why did they stay on the same plane?
Maybe they were going to bedfor the night yeah, shifts.
So the night shift was comingand they?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
weren't there yet, so I got delayed one time.
On the ground, everything'sperfectly fine with the plane.
Flight attendants are in place,everybody's luggage is packed
away.
We've we've pushed back fromthe gate, we're waiting to taxi
out, and we sit there, and wesit there, and we sit there, and
it's probably hot.
It's hot and finally they saywe can't continue because the
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seat belt demonstration buckleis not on board no way no way
they had.
Somebody had to bring a seatbelt demonstration buckle so
that we could see that whichnobody pays attention to.
But you know, yeah, everybody'sgot their headphones in yeah,
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
So I'm just going to say something.
Some of those straps are largerstraps that are on the chairs.
I think there's designatedchairs for that right.
Could you not use an aislechair that was open and no one
was sitting in and just kind ofsay, look down lower here?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
and here's how it goes in Apparently, not,
apparently not.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
All right, got a question for you.
Okay, hey, if you had to makethe case that you were living in
a Truman Show situation, all asimulation.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So, like the movie the Truman Show, which I've
never seen by the way Don't lookat me like that You've not seen
a bunch of really good movies,never once seen it.
I know what you're referring to, but I've never once seen it.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Okay, well, here's the deal.
So at the SBC in 2025, we arewatching the Truman Show.
It's probably top 10 for me Nottop 5, but it's top 10.
Okay, it's a great movie.
It really is.
What does he say?
Good afternoon, good eveningand good night.
So it's all like he is livinginside of a fake world.
He was born and raised there.
Okay, everybody's an actor andthere's video screens everywhere
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and the outside world iswatching him live his life.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He's the show, okay, all right.
So what's the question then?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I'm sorry if you had to make the case that you were
living in a truman show it's allsimulation, okay what evidence
would you use?
I got one.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay that my wife loves me.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, I mean, I'm very thankful.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That's implausible.
Otherwise, that's right, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I thought that was very nice.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Your wife doesn't listen to the podcast, does she?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
She has listened to a number of episodes.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay, well, maybe she'll hear this one.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
That'll work and I'll get an extra smooch, yeah,
smooch, yeah, yeah.
Good for you.
All right, what about you?
Yeah, my whole life is just ablessing.
So you know that bottle ofwater exists.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's just, that's crazy.
How wild is that?
Yeah, no, I'm not.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm just not.
I'm not familiar enough withthe movie to make a.
Okay, I ruined your fact of theday or question of the day, or
whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
If you listen to the podcast and you know Bob's email
, you can go and email him andsay watch the Truman Show, come
on, it's a great movie.
Watch the Truman Show.
We'll watch it at the 2025 SBC.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I'm not against it, I've just never taken the time
to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, you're going to be for it in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
All right, here's the topic.
We're going to talk about thefruit of the Spirit, okay, okay.
So we're talking about the HolySpirit, we're talking about
fruit it produces in the life ofa Christian.
It is mentioned in Galatians,chapter 5, and in Galatians,
chapter 5, paul is writingpretty frustrated to a church
that has given in to a falsegospel.
Toward the end, he is helpingthem with sanctification and
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know what it means and what itmeans to live out their faith.
He contrasts walking by theSpirit, being led by the Spirit
and bearing the fruit of theSpirit with being gratifying the
desires of the flesh andgratifying sin of the flesh.
So one is what a Christianshould look like, should produce
, should do.
The other is what a Christianshould leave behind in their
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former life.
So what is Bob?
This is a simple podcastepisode.
I think it will be a quick one.
What is the fruit of the Spirit?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Sure.
So the fruit of the Spirit isnot a banana, not a coconut,
it's not an apple, it's none ofthose, okay.
Nor is it spiritual gifts,right.
Ah so spiritual gifts are givento us through the Holy Spirit
and outpouring of the HolySpirit in a believer's life that
equips us, enables us to doworks of service for the
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building up of the body ofChrist, that's a totally
different thing.
The fruit of the Spirit is justthe beneficial result of being
in a right relationship, a closerelationship with Christ and
allowing the Spirit to driveyour life, to fill your life, to
control your life.
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So it's the overflow of theSpirit, the beneficial result of
the Spirit's characteristicscoming out in a believer who's
walking by the Spirit.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Overflow is the word I was going to use right so it's
an overflow of a Christianabiding in Christ right.
And he is the vine, we are thebranches.
The fruit should be produced ifwe are soaking up the nutrients
of God's Word andfellowshipping with God.
So, whereas the gifts of theSpirit plural, they're
individual gifts given by God'sSpirit for the building up of
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the church, for others in thechurch and believers might have
one or might have the other, andmay not have some and may not
have the other the fruit of theSpirit is not like that, correct
.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Right, it's not a breakfast buffet, it's not
fruits of the Spirit.
It's singular, the fruit of theSpirit.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So you're not picking and choosing these.
I want some love, I want somejoy.
I don't want any patience.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
It's not that you don't have one guy in the church
, that's the joyful guy.
One guy in the church, that'sthe patient guy.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
These are all aspects of the Spirit that should be
demonstrating themselves in thebeliever's life as an overflow
of his walk or her walk with theSpirit.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Okay, so really it is Christ's likeness, a
description of Christ's likeness, because in the book of Acts.
The Spirit of God is also theSpirit of Christ, and so
Christ's Spirit is seen and madevisible as we abide in Christ,
as we walk as Christ walked, aswe plant our roots deep in God's
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word and prayer, and theseshould be visible evidences of
God's work in and through ourlife.
Fruit is born of fellowshipwith God, then.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
That's good, okay, yeah, and you mentioned Paul.
In Galatians five.
There's drawing a clearcontrast to somebody who is
walking in the flesh and if Iremember right, his verses 19
through 21 describes if you'rein the flesh, these are the
deeds of the flesh, and it justgives a list and it's not a
pretty list of the overflow ofwalking in the flesh.
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Then he contrasts that inverses 22 and 23 with the fruit
of the spirit.
This is the overflow of thespirit in somebody who is
walking in the spirit.
And he says in verse 24,therefore, if you have trusted
in Christ, you have crucifiedthe flesh and you now no longer
live by the flesh, you live bythe spirit.
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And if you live by the spirit,then you ought to walk by the
spirit.
So it is this contrast betweenwhat it looks like when we just
live in the flesh and walk onour own abilities and our own
humanness and our own fallennature, versus allowing the
spirit to control us, to havefellowship with him and let that
fellowship overflow into thebeneficial results.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I see a little bit of a comparison with Romans
chapter eight, verse two, whereit says the law of the spirit of
life has set you free, inChrist Jesus, from the law of
sin and death.
Now he is talking about the lawthere of sin and death, even
the Mosaic law that condemns usfrom Romans chapter seven.
But he mentions this law of thespirit of life.
The law there is like a rule, aruling of God's spirit in your
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life.
You are where you did have asin-ruled life.
Now you have a spirit-ruledlife.
So we live by the spirit, wewalk by the spirit, we be led by
the spirit.
That being the case, thesearen't individual attributes
that we're trying to ascertainone at a time.
I think that's really important.
So when someone looks at thefruit of the Spirit, they're not
to take them apart to say man,I just really need to be more
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joyous.
I want to be more joyful.
Where can I add joy in my life?
Now, those aren't bad things,that's just not the point.
So I'm going to wake up and I'mgoing to think about all the
things I have to give God.
You know, my happiness and joy,again, not bad things.
There's probably scripturalprecedent for that.
But it might be better to go toa verse in scripture, like in
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the Psalms or in the Proverbs,where it says in your presence
there is fullness of joy, right,and so let's pursue fellowship
with the lord, abide in him.
And what is produced from that?
Pursuing christ, we areproducing christ-likeness yeah,
yeah, so you.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So what you're saying is we don't pursue the
individual aspects of the fruitlove, patience, kindness we
pursue christ and as we pursuechrist, those things begin to
develop in us and demonstrateout of us.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Every person becomes like the person they follow.
Right, you are like the personyou spend the most time with.
So if you want to beChrist-like, which is visible in
these fruits, you spend timewith Christ.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And scripture also teaches us that we are no longer
to be slaves to the flesh.
We're not slaves to thatanymore.
Now we become slaves to Christ,and so we are no longer serving
the flesh, we're serving Christ.
And so all of this speaks intothis close walk with Christ,
this close fellowship with himthat allows the spirit to grow,
to take control and thendemonstrate the characteristics
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of God Christ-likeness in andthrough us.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You ever heard that phrase?
I mean, I'm going back to whatI already said, but you ever
heard that phrase you show meyour friends and I'll show you
your future.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yes, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Maybe you're someone looking to date a guy and you
don't know enough about him, ordate a girl and you don't know
enough about her.
Look at the person, not thatshe presents herself or he
presents himself to be in amoment, but look at the people
they spend time around, right,because that's who they are
probably most like or willbecome most like.
And so, yeah, if you want toproduce Christ-like
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characteristics, that isproduced by pursuing him, by
spending time with him, bymeditating upon his life, his
death, his ministry, hisresurrection.
You become most like those youspend the most time with.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, the phrase I used to use back in the dark
ages when I was doing studentministry was you become like the
friends you choose?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
If you look or if you want to know what you're going
to look like in the future.
Just look at the friends you'rechoosing to hang out with.
The people you're allowing tospeak into your life.
You're going to become likethem.
They're going to have thatimpact on you.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
This is somewhat of Paul's point.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It is, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, it is, yeah, okay.
So what is the?
Let's just answer this lastlittle bit.
So what's the net result ofthat?
What's the benefits to theinner person and the outside
world when fruit is produced inthe life of a believer?
They're producing holiness fitfor heaven.
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God is shaping them Sure,sanctification.
He's sanctifying us.
Maybe a good answer here is welook most like Christ, spending
time with Christ for a worldthat needs Christ.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Right.
We image God, and God'sultimate purpose in our lives is
Christlikeness.
Yeah, he's working to make usinto the image of his son and so
, yeah, this is the result ofthe fruit, as we become more
like Christ.
And the reason we become morelike Christ while we're still
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here on earth is because then wecan best represent God to a
lost world, to a world thatneeds Christ.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And isn't that not exactly the reason Christ made
humans in his image, to imagehim everywhere, right, right.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
And.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Christ is the image of the invisible God, and so we
image God in a world that needshim and has turned their back
from him.
When we pursue Christ-likenessand therefore produce
Christ-likeness, pursue Christand produce Christ-likeness,
exactly, yeah.
Any more words to say on this?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, there's not to say that there isn't some
benefit to having these fruit ofthe Spirit growing within us to
have love and to understandwhat joy is and peace.
Those are helpful for us.
But it's also demonstratinglove to others, demonstrating
joy to others, having peace withothers, having patience with
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others, which is justlong-temperedness, or remaining
under control, being kind,kindness, which is just actually
having concern for other people.
Goodness is just an uprightlife that looks out for others.
Faithfulness, just a steadfast,constant, unwavering allegiance
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to that which is right, beinggentle.
I think meekness is anotherword, which meekness is not
weakness.
Meekness is power under control.
What a better description ofGod is there than power under
control?
And then, of course,self-control, constraint.
So all of these demonstrate theaspects of God that we benefit
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from having it in our lives, butwe benefit also by having them
so that we might be able tobenefit others and demonstrate
Christ.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Two things I want to point out that I just think are
helpful, maybe just putting somefences around some questions
about the fruits of the Spirit,the fruit of the Spirit.
I keep saying it wrong thefruit of the Spirit.
The first is, when we look atthe gifts of the Spirit, these
are sovereignly distributedsupernatural works by which God
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cares for his church.
Through us, he gifts usuniquely to teach, to show
hospitality, to serve towhatever it might be, but those
are all unique from one anotherin the local church in the way
that God wants to give them.
Church in the way that Godwants to give them.
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I say that for this reason,because there is a strain of
theology that believes thatspeaking in tongues, for example
, is the visible fruit by whichwe know we're believers, and I
would say, actually, that's thefruit of the Spirit.
How you know you have theSpirit of God is well, are you
producing fruit of being withGod?
(22:08):
Right, so the visible evidenceof salvation is not a particular
gift, because they're all givenand distributed differently.
How God chooses, the visibleevidence of having a
relationship with Christ is thefruit of His Spirit.
Yes, I think that's reallyimportant for people to hear.
I think that's really importantfor people to hear.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I think that's good.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
The second thing, just to put another kind of
fence around some things, is theself-control, self-control
being a fruit of the spirit.
A lot of times when we think ofthe spirit's work in the life
of a church, in the life of abeliever, it's spontaneous, it's
maybe even so far sayingerratic, and yet it seems as if
(22:51):
one of the key characteristicsof God's spirit at work in the
life of a believer is theirability to be controlled in the
right way, to not be erratic, tothink through and be of sound
mind their actions, yeah if Iremember right, the word
self-control in the originallanguage literally means in
power or in control.
(23:13):
It's sober-mindedness, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So I'm not out of control, I'm under control.
It's also interesting that youcan find almost all the fruit of
the Spirit displayed in thechurch in the New Testament,
encouraged in the church in theNew Testament, encouraged in the
church in the New Testament,taught to the church in the New
Testament, because this is howGod demonstrates himself through
(23:36):
the life of the church.
So love, 1 Corinthians, chapter13,.
Joy, romans, chapter 15,patience, james, chapter James,
chapter five.
You know.
So all of these we see over andover again in scripture uh
goodness, matthew, chapter five.
Um faithfulness, hebrews,chapter 11,.
Uh, gentleness, matthew,chapter 21.
So all of them are justrepeatedly instructed in the
(24:00):
church.
Um, because I think we can,even though this is the fruit of
the spirit, the outpouring ofspirit in our lives, we can work
on these aspects um life of thechurch and in our individual
lives as we strive todemonstrate the characteristics
of God.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So let me say a theological phrase I think this
would be true in one way is thecommunicable attributes of God
meaning they are an example oran expression of God's character
, who he is, he is gentle, he isself-controlled.
And communicable meaning wealso may have those attributes.
(24:39):
Incommunicable would beattributes that we obviously
can't have.
We are not sovereign, we don'tknow all things, we are not all
places at all times, but we canbe loving as our God is loving,
we can be patient as our God ispatient, and so these are the
attributes of time with the Lord.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, I think that's Becoming more like God.
That's a fancy word, but it's agood word.
Yeah, communicable,communicable, hey.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Communicable, Communicable.
Hey well, thanks for listeningin.
I don't think there's anythingelse to say here.
I think this is one of ourshortest episodes.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, I don't think we need to beat that one to
death.
It's a good conversation,though, and yeah, so it was a
good time.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well thanks.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Maybe it's shorter because Kara's not here.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That's probably it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
She talks.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So much.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
well enjoy the new house you too, enjoy the new
state.
I haven't bought one yet.
I'm in the process, but you'llget there.
I'll get there, but this isn'tour last podcast.
Before you move right, we'llhave more are we going to
podcast after I move?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
we'll have to figure it out, you're the podcast guru.
Okay, well, it'll be fun if wecan it would be nice great time.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I said it.
I did it wrong.
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