March 16, 2025 • 29 mins
Pastor Bob and Pastor Trent open up about the challenges and rewards of ministry, sharing about how their personalities influence their preaching and leadership style, and the work they do. Listen to this fun episode to get the inside scoop on our Pastor's preaching.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
that that keyboard sound right there?
That doesn't that sound kind of80s, kind of 80s.
I see what you're going withthe reverberation I've been
grown up pounding during the 80s.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I don't really sense it, but yeah, I see what you're
saying.
80s I don't really sense it,but yeah, I see what you're
saying.
80s-ish yeah, Would it be froma different era?
That's when the it wasn't akeyboard.
What was it called Asynthesizer?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, kind of came into Rock music and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Van Halen kind of brought that in in like 84-ish.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
So what were the bands that kind of followed in
that way in Van Halen?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Was Van halen a hair band?
No, for sure, but not a makeupband?
No, was makeup before van halenor after van halen?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
uh, the more glam rock was probably after some
some at the same time.
Okay, so classic rock went tohair band rock, which went to
glam rock, maybe maybe becausemy dad didn't like hair rock.
He liked classic rock.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Like Boston, which would have been before Van Halen
right.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Right.
Okay, they were contemporaries,but Boston was popular before
Van Halen.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, and Boston didn't have the hair?
Did it?
Did they the big hair?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I don't honestly remember what Boston looked like
.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh okay.
Wasn't the drummer of theBoston Boston didn't he get
married to some preacher?
No, you're thinking of Journey,journey, journey was Journey
the same time as Boston.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yes, and Van Halen really okay, so maybe my dad did
like Van Halen but I knowBoston and Journey were like big
ones for him.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's what he liked.
A lot cool, yeah good tastewhat's the?
The American Pie song bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Good taste.
What's the?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
American Pie song Bye , bye.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
American Pie.
Yeah, by who Drove my Chevy tothe levee?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
but the levee was dry yeah so it talks about, as it
continues, rye and other things.
I'm not going to say their word, but I remember singing that as
a young kid and my mom got madat my dad and I didn't
understand why, because in histruck we just listened to those
kinds of music.
That kind of music that erathere was a station 93.9,.
(02:10):
We listened to Yep, that girl.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, yeah, we won't say the name, nope, not of the
band that sings that song but ofthe yes, here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I think it would be good spiritual advice not to say
her name.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
See what you did there.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
My advice would be to not take her spiritual advice.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, someone didn't listen.
Do you know what's going onthere?
You?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
do know what's going on there.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
No, you do know what's going on there.
I think you sent me somethingone time.
I did.
I've got a fact for you.
We'll jump right in it, you doknow what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No, you do know what's going on there, that's
okay, I think you sent mesomething one time.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh, I did, you did.
Yeah, all right, hey, I've gota fact for you.
We'll jump right in it.
Let's go.
Did you know the Spanishnational anthem, that is, the
anthem of Spain, has no words.
The marcha real originallyintended.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Real Sure Rail.
That's the Missouri way to sayit.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm from the US, where we actually have a good
national anthem with words, sothe Marcha Real was originally
intended to be played when theking reviewed his troops.
It's one of only four nationalanthems in the world that has no
official lyrics, so theiranthem doesn't have lyrics.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Aren't anthems supposed to not only unite with
music but also tell the story?
It's our anthem, it's what webelieve, it's what we think.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
This is how we came to be.
There's some really.
Oh, Canada different nationalanthems out there.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Imagine if an Olympian stood on the gold medal
podium and it was just like aguitar solo.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Do they play on the podiums?
Do they play the gold?
Yeah, they do, but do they playthe versions that have the
lyrics or do they just play theinstrumentals?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, just the instrumentals.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So'd be cool to have like a guitar solo there's
several versions of our nationalanthem played by guitar, jimmy
hendrix, of course, being afamous one.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
You've never heard that no,it'd be cool to have that, like
during the olympics.
Oh, yeah, to have that version,I've heard.
Then he played that at uh,what's the big, the big, uh,
woodstock, woodstock.
Thank you yeah then is thatwhere that happened?
Or he played that for the firsttime and like unveiled it or
something no way to know weren'tyou at woodstock?
(04:37):
What?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
year was that because there's been there was three.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
He's funny there's one in the 60s I didn't live
anywhere near there.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
One in the 80s and then one in the 60s I didn't
live anywhere near there One inthe 80s and then one in the 90s
right End of 90s, but theoriginal one, the original one's
60s, yeah, 60s, kind of thepeace-loving big fields, yeah,
yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, that's their fact.
I don't feel like you guysliked it that much.
I, it was a fact.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It was a fact.
What do you want us to do withit?
I'm just saying you're welcome,you can say thank you if you
want to.
Thank you so much for thatreally cool fact.
I researched it.
I thought it was a good one.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Y'all don't know how many websites I have combed
through to have now like our150th fact, because a lot of
them have the same facts.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's like women's health, and then it's
like all these random magazinesthat have one random page of
facts, you've come to the bottomof the universe of facts you're
scraping the bottom of thebarrel of facts we've got 150 of
them, and there are no more inthe known universe fun, crazy
and wild and zany facts.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's what I've googled, right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh, and they all have the same list perhaps change
your adjectives and see whatcomes up what's's the fastest
land mammal Cheetah?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yep, it's a cheetah.
There you go.
Well, I do have a question foryou, why?
I know that I have no idea.
I think 55 to 65 miles an hour.
I don't know why.
I know that in the top of myhead, but I do.
All right.
Hey, I want you to rank thefollowing holidays, but rank
them of your enjoyment of themand their festivities as a child
.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Okay, as a child.
I got to go way back, Way Okay.
That's a long way Back.
That was a long way.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
No, it was far back for me.
Nor Kara, I mean Nor KaraKara's, younger than I am.
It was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
It was not yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
You're married.
You're getting up there, allright.
Hey, we've got in no particularorder Halloween, christmas, 4th
of July, easter and New Year'sDay.
Okay, there are other holidays.
These are the ones that Ipicked.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
As usual, my question is are we going top to bottom
or bottom to top?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I think.
Least favorite, two favorite,and I want some stories here.
We skipped over the banterpretty quickly.
Least favorite, two favoriteand I want some stories here.
We skipped over the banterpretty quickly.
I actually have to be somewheretoday, but we're going to spend
some time here.
So least favorite.
Why?
As a kid, um new year's day Imean same, it was just another
day.
(07:01):
We didn't do anything for it.
Yeah, it's not a day you mighthave done something the night
before.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But you, new year's day you're probably you're
watching football, hanging outmaybe, but should I put new
year's eve.
That's what I meant new year'seve, new year's day same thing
no, it's not well, same newyear's eve and new year's day
are distinctly not the samething correct, but the but just
think of all the festivitiesaround it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You said New Year's Day, bob pastor, sir boss, I'm a
literalist.
If it's New Year's Eve or NewYear's Day, does that change?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
No, thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Thank you All right.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So why is it your least favorite, didn't?
Really do anything Just reallynot a big deal Did you guys do
the sparkling grape juice.
No, my wife's family like makesa big deal out of it.
They did the sparkling grapejuice.
They talk about one thing theywant to accomplish the next year
.
My family like I guess westayed up, but that's kind of it
.
Yeah you.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It would be my last, except for the that makes it my
fourth option.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, what's your last?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
My last is Halloween.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Because we weren't allowed to celebrate it really
Okay, because it was demonic.
No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding,I'm going to be quiet, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Different convictions .
Different convictions,different families, different
convictions.
We can talk about that, but youdidn't celebrate it.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
We didn't, we didn't.
Sometimes, when we were older,like teenagers, we would
convince our parents to maybelet us hang out with our friends
or do whatever they were doing.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But other than that, just hang out.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Just yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Which is fun.
It is fun, but not particularto the festivity or the holiday.
Okay, all right, let's go tonumber four, number four.
What was your number four, bob?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I got to look back, there's only five.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Fourth of July.
Is that age you just forgot?
Stop it.
Fourth of July.
Fourth of July Again it was aday.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I mean, yeah, and I was patriotic as a kid because I
was around in 1976.
Oh, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Just missed Woodstock .
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, well, I was around for a while in 1976, but
still, yeah, fourth of July wasokay, but I don't remember us
doing huge picnics or anything.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I'm going to have to disagree with you because mine
is way down the list.
4th of July in a positive way,but way down the list or way up
the list Way up Down in number,up in favoritism.
Okay, kara, what was yournumber four?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
My number four is New Year's Day, because we didn't
celebrate it at all, Like prettymuch the same thing.
Maybe we stayed up, butprobably not.
But when I was older, we gotover, we went to Kara Prokoko's
house and at midnight I wentwith my siblings and she had her
and her siblings there and atmidnight we would run around the
neighborhood with all her potsand pans and just bang them
(09:38):
around.
So it became a fun tradition,but it wasn't really all
throughout Korea until then.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
But we did that for like three years.
I think, wow, it was a goodtime.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
My number four Glad I don't live in your neighborhood
or in Kara's neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
A lot of people were awake, though, and they would
just yell happy new year, sothen they would reply back.
It was a good time.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Mine was Easter yell happy new year, so then they
would reply back.
It was a good time.
Mine was easter.
Hear me what?
Listen, I'm a pastor.
Now it's like number one okay,I get it oh, whatever, I'm
talking about the festivitiesaround it yes to be clear we did
not, our church did not do aneaster egg hunt.
Um, our parents would do like alittle small gift, almost like
people get like an easter basketkind of thing but, mostly just
like some candy and stuff.
So we enjoyed services that day.
(10:23):
We dressed up nice, but wedidn't make a lot out of it and
I didn't grow to appreciate ituntil I realized what all we
were learning, teaching andbelieving and putting at the
forefront of that day.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So, and you know what , every Sunday is Resurrection
Sunday.
So so there, all right.
Number three I had well, kara,you go ahead.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Number three.
Yeah, number three, I putEaster.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, I put.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Easter it was.
It was fun.
We would wear cute clothes,We'd go to church, we would
decorate some eggs.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
But also not too egg-decorate-y, because then
that was too worldly, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
We died eggs Did you die eggs Once or twice, maybe we
did.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
We would get together with family and friends I
forgot that evening and then wewould die eggs.
But I think I liked Christmascelebrations because we'd make
gingerbread houses and that wasmore fun than dying eggs.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Easter is three for me, and it was one of those
holidays where wow, yes you giveme a face back off four, I'm a
three it was one of the holidays.
I remember as a kid that ourfamily would gather around with
other families, so I get to hangout with my cousins and we do
fun stuff.
So, yeah, yeah, big celebrationday church in the morning and
(11:39):
then go some to somebody's houseand just hang out and do
whatever hanging out my numberthree is your number two.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I can see it on your sheet of paper, so my number
three was halloween.
So, um, there were specificrules that my parents had
pertaining to halloween.
We could not dress up asanything gory or scary, or do
haunted houses or participate inthe occult.
Our neighbors weren't either,thankfully, nor anyone on our
street that I know of, but wegot to go down our street that I
(12:06):
know of and if they were,they'd probably do it other
nights of the week as well.
But we went out, we got freecandy and I liked candy.
So I dressed up as a baseballplayer one year.
I dressed up as, I think, fredFlintstone when I was really
young, and so we met a lot ofour neighbors that night.
And again, christians havedifferent convictions, different
ways that their conscience arepricked, and so we did.
(12:28):
We would hop in the back of aminivan with all of our church
friends.
We would hop in the back of atruck with all of our church
friends.
All of their families kind ofgot together.
My parents kind of had a posseand then we would go to our
pastor's house and it was a lotof fun.
I remember the memories.
It was good memories.
We'd come back, we'd dump allthe candy.
My parents would say you can'teat that tonight, you can eat it
(12:49):
over the next few days.
But we would eat a lot, and soit was a lot of fun, fun stuff.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You Number two?
Now I was going to say you gavemy number two away, sorry, yeah
, halloween's my number two.
Why?
A lot of childhood memories andmy family didn't have a lot of
rules around it.
Same kind of stuff, no, scarystuff, that kind of stuff.
But our school, our elementaryschool, would always have a
carnival around Halloween, ohyeah, and they would do prizes
(13:17):
and different things for costumecontests.
So I remember that fondly.
I remember winning the contestone year as what.
Well, and that's the interestingthing.
So I dressed as like a hobo whojumps onto a train and had a
stick with a bag, but I wonThings you could do back in the
day.
But I won.
They thought I was a pirate, soI won prizes being the best
(13:41):
pirate, but I was actually ahobo.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Pirates take over cargo and you just would hop in
the cargo hold of the train.
I guess I was a train pirate.
Our church for Awana back atHalloween for a minute would do
dress-up things, but you'd haveto dress up as a Bible character
.
One year I dressed up.
My mom dressed me up.
My mom's very creative.
She would make a lot of thecostumes.
(14:03):
She made my Spider-Man costume.
She made me a Pharaoh outfitand then she attached like fake
frogs all over it and then likeflies all over it.
So cute, which is really cool,yeah, clever.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
All right view.
Just to clarify for the churchmembers watching.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Do you want to move on as?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
children, I've enjoyed Halloween more than
Easter.
As children, we enjoy thefestivities surrounding them.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And that's not to say that that would be the way we
would rank them today.
Moving on Kara to you accusingyour pastors, or something?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Who invited Kara back ?
There's not two witnesses here,Kara.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It went a lot quicker last week when Kara wasn't here
.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Hey, hey.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I somewhere to be Kara.
Come on now.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay, Number two my number two is 4th of July, just
because my family would gettogether and barbecue and it was
a good time with everyone.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Nice.
So I think I'm now at my numbertwo and I would agree, so 4th
of have in my list, because wewould barbecue, because we would
spend my parents wouldn't spendit but I'd like to save up my
money to buy fireworks.
Uh, I loved pyro, so I would,you know, try to put fireworks
together.
We blow up mcdonald's toys, um,and then we try to, you know,
(15:14):
get the ones that, like theshoot up little little balls
that make lights and sounds andstuff, and we would always have
bottle rocket wars.
So did you ever do that?
So we would get like old Cokebottles and just chase each
other and shoot bottle rocketsat each other.
Thankfully no one got hurt, butthat was a lot of fun we did.
We did do like the Roman candlewars, but they weren't as fun
cause they didn't pop.
(15:34):
You know, you run far enoughaway from them.
But bottle rocket wars, butbutter rocket wars, you'd have
to aim and some of them werepretty close to your legs and
feet.
Nice, yeah, that was fun.
Good days.
Number one I feel like we allhave the same number one.
What is it?
One, two, three, christmas.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
As a child, what better day is there?
You know it's the day you lookforward to all year.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, it's a good day , but I also put Thanksgiving
because I loved Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Thanksgiving 8.
I wrote it in there, but eventhough you didn't put it in
there, he chose Halloween overThanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I know See.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Celebrating the dead versus thanking God for your
family and friends.
Oh goodness, I don't liketurkey that much, so
Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Your parents are in town.
I'm going to have to have aconversation with them.
Please do you celebrateHalloween too?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was your number two, not number three.
Hey, let's get to the topic.
Y'all Goodness, let's go, let'smove on.
So a lot of these are gearedtoward you, bob.
I want to Pastor Bob, I justhave a few questions for you.
I have six of them.
We may make it through them, wemay not.
I'm going to hard stop in about10 minutes.
It's all about his schedule,isn't it?
Hard stop.
So you have 10 minutes toanswer the questions.
(16:38):
I get to Bob, are you anintrovert or an extrovert?
Introvert, 100% For sure.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
How does your person what I know?
That may be hard for some tobelieve, because I stand up and
speak in front of large crowdsall the time, but by nature I am
an introvert and you're a coach, so you speak to large crowds
as a pastor.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm not afraid of being in front of people.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It doesn't bother me being in front of people, but
you rest alone.
It takes energy to be in frontof people where I I recuperate
and rest privately, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
My my wife and I.
I feel like I think this is athing where I was more
extroverted before we gotmarried college and high school
and she was more introvertedbefore we got married and
because of the profession thatI'm in.
(17:30):
I am around a lot of people,and so I need some breaks every
once in a while, even to rest.
And she before she's now ateacher.
She was home more with our kids, and so she needed more
interaction, and so I feel likewe've leveled not leveled out,
but I feel like.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I've less introverted .
Speaker 1 (17:40):
She's more with our kids, and so she needed more
interaction, and so I feel likewe've leveled not leveled out,
but I feel like I'm lessextroverted, she's more
extroverted but she's definitelyintrovert and I'm more of an
extrovert.
Yeah, I can see that for youguys for sure Easily.
How does your personalityaffect your ministry, either
positively or negatively?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
your introversion- yeah, just being aware of it,
knowing that my go quiet time,personal time, away from things,
away from people, and knowingthat that is not a good formula
for developing relationship,developing ministry.
So, again, it doesn't mean Idon't like being around people,
(18:14):
it just draws energy.
So, making sure that I'mbalancing my time of
introversion with spending timewith people, you keep your
office door open so that so ourextroverts can bother you.
Yeah, exactly, myself included.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yes, Try to yeah, you come to the offices and we're
chatting.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Right, and, and, and and try to schedule lunches and
meetings with people um go outof my way when I'm walking down
a hall to them, so those kind ofthings.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I've seen you a few times kindof put your head to the ground
and just run past people.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That was just you.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, all right, we're going to move on Number
two.
Hey, someone calls you lastminute and asks you to preach
for them.
So someone got real sick.
And it's a conference weekend,so it's a Saturday morning, so
it's a.
Saturday morning Sure and theyneed you to speak any text of
scripture.
There's no theme, for whateverreason there's no theme and they
say you know what this is.
(19:12):
So last minute, pick whereveryou want to be.
Do you have a sugar stick?
Sermon Do you have a sermon yougo to?
Do you have a text?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it a sugar stick.
I've got a few texts that Iwould go to that I could
probably just you know, I'vepreached enough times, or it is
something that I'm comfortablewith, that I could do off the
cuff.
Romans 15, 13.
And I made the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace.
Uh, the last part of it.
Of Ephesians three.
First part of Ephesians four.
Um, now to him who's able to doexceedingly, abundantly beyond
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and then explaining the churchin there.
Um, so yeah, those are two,that, that two that come to mind
off the bat.
Nehemiah, chapter eight love.
Nehemiah, chapter eight great,great text about the wall around
the city has been built, butthe job of removing the reproach
isn't over.
There needs to be spiritualrebuilding of the people, and
(20:01):
they asked the man of God tobring the word of God and
explain the word of God.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So it's yeah, those three are probably they weep for
joy.
They cry Exactly, they weep.
They cry just by hearing God'sword.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yep, so those three are just.
You know there's more, butthose three would be.
You know, if I had to preachright now.
I'm probably grabbing one ofthose texts.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, yeah, 1 Peter.
Right now it's into 1 Peter,it's beginning of Philippians
and it's 1 John, 4, 7 through 12, the gospel.
Yeah, okay, number three.
I'm going to fly through these.
So what's some of your, or oneof your, biggest frustrations
while preaching?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
My inability.
I could guess another one.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You have plenty of ability.
Well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But no, that isn't.
That's an honest answer, thoughit is just feeling inadequacy
and doing it yeah, yeah, just nomatter how prepared you are,
and just being frustrated thatyou can't articulate it more
clearly.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Feeling like Do you feel like I need to say this?
I feel like I've said thisbefore, but at the same time, I
feel like I need this.
So you're wrestling with man,they're hearing the same thing
from me, but I know I need this,right, right.
I hope they embrace it as well.
Right, this is the gospelmessage.
It is sweet to my soul.
I hope they think it is sweetto their soul and don't just
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feel this redundancy here.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, so I would say it's an honest answer to say
feeling inadequate, which cancome across as a negative thing,
but honestly, it's a reminderto me that I am inadequate and
the word is what istransformational, not my
presentation of it.
That being said, I shouldpresent it well.
(21:47):
I should present it so thatpeople are excited to hear it,
can understand it.
So one thing that isfrustrating is my own inability.
Another would be, of course,just lack of response, and
that's lack of immediateresponse beyond amens.
Lack of immediate responsebeyond you know, amens.
(22:11):
Or you know, when you present atext and you preach and then
you give an opportunity forresponse and you don't have it
immediately, at least notoutwardly, visually you have to
be reminded.
Okay, god's working.
It just may not be, you know,showing itself right here.
So, yeah, that's ourfrustration.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Our church is set up in such a way that the entrances
and exits are right next topeople.
They're peripherals.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
There's no easy way to get in and out of our room.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Without feeling like you're seen and being seen
Without being seen, yes, Do youfeel like sometimes people that
are rushing off to lunch?
Does that get frustratingsometimes where?
You're trying to land the plane.
You're trying to call for aresponse and people exit.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
That would be a frustration For sure, for sure I
mean, and sometimes our servicegoes roughly an hour and 10
minutes to an hour and 15minutes.
So, folks coming in after havingtheir coffee in the morning.
I understand, I've been there,you've got to take care of what
you've got to do, but noteverybody that's jumping up at
the end of her end of therestroom.
Some are jumping to head towhatever they need to do and
we're not done.
Worship's not done yet andthere's times when I've called
(23:20):
us out on that and I probablywill in the near future again.
But yeah, it's frustratingbecause we're not done.
The Spirit's still moving andwe need to focus.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We've still got songs to sing, announcements to give,
announcements to give andpeople to see afterwards that
maybe you didn't get to see onthe way in, right, all right.
Number four Well, we've gotabout four more minutes.
Number four should pastors thisis maybe more of an inside
baseball question.
Okay, pastors, this is maybemore of an inside baseball
question.
Okay, so our church has astatement of faith that one
(23:52):
would be encouraged to know andaffirm becoming a member.
We believe this, we know this,we know this is being taught
here.
We want to be a member.
Still, sure, should pastorshave a more narrow statement of
faith than what the churchmembers affirm?
Is there anything that youwould say hey, you know what
(24:13):
this is, this is a this broadand you can be part of our
church believing this, butwithin the pastoral staff it'd
be, wise to have a little morenarrow statement of faith, a
little more extra things youwant to make sure are.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I don't know that I would use the word narrow.
I might use the word specific,clarified, concise, so I don't
know if I would use what was theword you used.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Narrow.
Narrow, and I may just be usingsynonyms for that, I was just
thinking, narrow is the path tobeing a pastor.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
It's important for any church, anybody, to
understand.
This is what we believeScripture teaches.
There should be a doctrinalstatement, and that statement
should be more concise, morenarrow, the smaller the group
gets.
Yeah, right, so if you'retalking denominationally, and if
you're in a teaching position.
(25:10):
Right, right.
So if you're talkingdenominationally, then that
statement of faith is probablygoing to be a broad umbrella
that is focused on the primarythings and more generous on
tertiary things.
Primary things and moregenerous on tertiary things.
But as you move down to localchurch, local church might want
(25:30):
to be a little more specific onspecific things and then as you
move into an individual, such asa pastor, you need to know what
you believe.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
One more question.
I'm going to skip the youthpastor one.
I think that one deserves maybeits own conversation.
Okay, I think so.
Maybe you're most prepared forthat one.
I don't.
One deserves maybe its ownconversation Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I think so.
Maybe you're most prepared forthat one.
I don't know.
I'm not prepared for any ofthese.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
The question is let's table it, but we'll do one more
.
The question that we'll tableis why are churches finding it
so hard to find a youth?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
pastor right now.
Oh yeah, you asked me aboutthat.
That is a good question.
We may come back and do that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
That might deserve episode, because that is true.
Is there an appropriate use ofAI for pastors?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
There's an inappropriate use for it.
You should not be using AI towrite your messages.
I shouldn't have.
I can hand on a Bible, standbefore and say I have not, but I
don't use AI in any fashionother than if you consider
Google AI.
But I mean no, I don't go to.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
What if it's the Google AI?
Yeah, I call Gemini.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, I don't, I don't use any of it.
Yeah, maybe it's to mydetriment, but I don't.
I don't say, hey, write me asermon on this text.
This amount of words.
Don't do that.
I don't.
I don't think that'sintellectual or spiritual
honesty.
Okay, so we need to do our ownresearch.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Now can you use.
You're crafting an email for agrant or asking another
something and you put it inChatGPT.
I actually never used ChatGPT,but Gemini or whatever that is.
And you say correct grammar,good Sure.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Why not?
Okay, it's a tool.
If you're using it for a toolfor your ideas, if you're using
it for a tool to sharpen whatyou do, then fine.
Just don't use it as a crutch.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Graphic ideas for a sermon series.
As the media director of achurch, give me six examples of
a sermon series on blank Right.
Yes, why not?
Okay, I have used it.
Here's what I used it for.
I had a very so this is thefirst time I've used it and it
was only for this class, not fora class I was graded on.
(27:35):
But I was in a Baddest Historyclass last semester and I had a
very specific question I couldnot find the answer to, and it
was did John Calvin ever callout Luther for his language?
As they were contemporariestoward the end of Luther's
leadership to Calvin's, andCalvin was really popular.
(27:55):
People were following Calvin,people had followed Luther.
Some went from Luther to Calvin.
Did Calvin ever have an issuewith Luther?
And he did.
He wrote to Luther, and so whatAI helped me do was to find
some links to answer thatspecific question, and in fact,
calvin had some language forLuther for not responding.
Apparently, calvin wrote aletter through Philip
(28:19):
Melanchthon.
Philip Melanchthon went toLuther.
Actually, he didn't go toLuther.
He went back to Calvin and saidhe's not going to want to read
that, and so Calvin said do younot have time for me?
And Melanchthon did deliverthat note.
I wouldn't have known that Ihad books on the issue and I
couldn't find it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think AI would be another conversation and I'd
love to bring other guys in thatuse it for research.
I've just never dived into it,delved into it, dove, dove, dove
.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Diven, diven.
What's the verb tense?
Delved, delved.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Delving, but I have, I know some guys that use it as
a resource.
They don't write their sermonswith it, but they use it as a
resource, and maybe I'm missingout on something right.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Maybe, instead of using Google, they'll say give
me a synonym for this word Sure.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Because you're trying to keep PPPP or SSSS and what's
the difference between that andusing a thesaurus?
Or what's the differencebetween that and the thousand
commentaries that I've got on myshelf that I'm going to pull
off and use as resources?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, it was really helpful for the Baptist history
class when I had a very specificquestion.
It was really helpful for theBaptist history class when I had
a very specific question Likewhat are three key differences
between the New HampshireConfession and the Westminster
Confession?
It helped, all right.
Well, I think that does ourepisode.
I've got to get to Cambridge topick up my kiddos.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Oh, that was the hard deadline we were up against.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, so you know, I think we're going to end the
episode.
You guys, good with that?
Okay, bye, Ready.
that that keyboard sound right there?
That doesn't that sound kind of80s, kind of 80s.
I see what you're going withthe reverberation I've been
grown up pounding during the 80s.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I don't really sense it, but yeah, I see what you're
saying.
80s I don't really sense it,but yeah, I see what you're
saying.
80s-ish yeah, Would it be froma different era?
That's when the it wasn't akeyboard.
What was it called Asynthesizer?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, kind of came into Rock music and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Van Halen kind of brought that in in like 84-ish.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
So what were the bands that kind of followed in
that way in Van Halen?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Was Van halen a hair band?
No, for sure, but not a makeupband?
No, was makeup before van halenor after van halen?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
uh, the more glam rock was probably after some
some at the same time.
Okay, so classic rock went tohair band rock, which went to
glam rock, maybe maybe becausemy dad didn't like hair rock.
He liked classic rock.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Like Boston, which would have been before Van Halen
right.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Right.
Okay, they were contemporaries,but Boston was popular before
Van Halen.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, and Boston didn't have the hair?
Did it?
Did they the big hair?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I don't honestly remember what Boston looked like
.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh okay.
Wasn't the drummer of theBoston Boston didn't he get
married to some preacher?
No, you're thinking of Journey,journey, journey was Journey
the same time as Boston.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yes, and Van Halen really okay, so maybe my dad did
like Van Halen but I knowBoston and Journey were like big
ones for him.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's what he liked.
A lot cool, yeah good tastewhat's the?
The American Pie song bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Good taste.
What's the?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
American Pie song Bye , bye.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
American Pie.
Yeah, by who Drove my Chevy tothe levee?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
but the levee was dry yeah so it talks about, as it
continues, rye and other things.
I'm not going to say their word, but I remember singing that as
a young kid and my mom got madat my dad and I didn't
understand why, because in histruck we just listened to those
kinds of music.
That kind of music that erathere was a station 93.9,.
(02:10):
We listened to Yep, that girl.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, yeah, we won't say the name, nope, not of the
band that sings that song but ofthe yes, here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I think it would be good spiritual advice not to say
her name.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
See what you did there.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
My advice would be to not take her spiritual advice.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, someone didn't listen.
Do you know what's going onthere?
You?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
do know what's going on there.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
No, you do know what's going on there.
I think you sent me somethingone time.
I did.
I've got a fact for you.
We'll jump right in it, you doknow what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No, you do know what's going on there, that's
okay, I think you sent mesomething one time.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh, I did, you did.
Yeah, all right, hey, I've gota fact for you.
We'll jump right in it.
Let's go.
Did you know the Spanishnational anthem, that is, the
anthem of Spain, has no words.
The marcha real originallyintended.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Real Sure Rail.
That's the Missouri way to sayit.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm from the US, where we actually have a good
national anthem with words, sothe Marcha Real was originally
intended to be played when theking reviewed his troops.
It's one of only four nationalanthems in the world that has no
official lyrics, so theiranthem doesn't have lyrics.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Aren't anthems supposed to not only unite with
music but also tell the story?
It's our anthem, it's what webelieve, it's what we think.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
This is how we came to be.
There's some really.
Oh, Canada different nationalanthems out there.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Imagine if an Olympian stood on the gold medal
podium and it was just like aguitar solo.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Do they play on the podiums?
Do they play the gold?
Yeah, they do, but do they playthe versions that have the
lyrics or do they just play theinstrumentals?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, just the instrumentals.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So'd be cool to have like a guitar solo there's
several versions of our nationalanthem played by guitar, jimmy
hendrix, of course, being afamous one.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
You've never heard that no,it'd be cool to have that, like
during the olympics.
Oh, yeah, to have that version,I've heard.
Then he played that at uh,what's the big, the big, uh,
woodstock, woodstock.
Thank you yeah then is thatwhere that happened?
Or he played that for the firsttime and like unveiled it or
something no way to know weren'tyou at woodstock?
(04:37):
What?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
year was that because there's been there was three.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
He's funny there's one in the 60s I didn't live
anywhere near there.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
One in the 80s and then one in the 60s I didn't
live anywhere near there One inthe 80s and then one in the 90s
right End of 90s, but theoriginal one, the original one's
60s, yeah, 60s, kind of thepeace-loving big fields, yeah,
yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, that's their fact.
I don't feel like you guysliked it that much.
I, it was a fact.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It was a fact.
What do you want us to do withit?
I'm just saying you're welcome,you can say thank you if you
want to.
Thank you so much for thatreally cool fact.
I researched it.
I thought it was a good one.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Y'all don't know how many websites I have combed
through to have now like our150th fact, because a lot of
them have the same facts.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's like women's health, and then it's
like all these random magazinesthat have one random page of
facts, you've come to the bottomof the universe of facts you're
scraping the bottom of thebarrel of facts we've got 150 of
them, and there are no more inthe known universe fun, crazy
and wild and zany facts.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's what I've googled, right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh, and they all have the same list perhaps change
your adjectives and see whatcomes up what's's the fastest
land mammal Cheetah?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yep, it's a cheetah.
There you go.
Well, I do have a question foryou, why?
I know that I have no idea.
I think 55 to 65 miles an hour.
I don't know why.
I know that in the top of myhead, but I do.
All right.
Hey, I want you to rank thefollowing holidays, but rank
them of your enjoyment of themand their festivities as a child
.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Okay, as a child.
I got to go way back, Way Okay.
That's a long way Back.
That was a long way.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
No, it was far back for me.
Nor Kara, I mean Nor KaraKara's, younger than I am.
It was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
It was not yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
You're married.
You're getting up there, allright.
Hey, we've got in no particularorder Halloween, christmas, 4th
of July, easter and New Year'sDay.
Okay, there are other holidays.
These are the ones that Ipicked.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
As usual, my question is are we going top to bottom
or bottom to top?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I think.
Least favorite, two favorite,and I want some stories here.
We skipped over the banterpretty quickly.
Least favorite, two favoriteand I want some stories here.
We skipped over the banterpretty quickly.
I actually have to be somewheretoday, but we're going to spend
some time here.
So least favorite.
Why?
As a kid, um new year's day Imean same, it was just another
day.
(07:01):
We didn't do anything for it.
Yeah, it's not a day you mighthave done something the night
before.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But you, new year's day you're probably you're
watching football, hanging outmaybe, but should I put new
year's eve.
That's what I meant new year'seve, new year's day same thing
no, it's not well, same newyear's eve and new year's day
are distinctly not the samething correct, but the but just
think of all the festivitiesaround it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You said New Year's Day, bob pastor, sir boss, I'm a
literalist.
If it's New Year's Eve or NewYear's Day, does that change?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
No, thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Thank you All right.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So why is it your least favorite, didn't?
Really do anything Just reallynot a big deal Did you guys do
the sparkling grape juice.
No, my wife's family like makesa big deal out of it.
They did the sparkling grapejuice.
They talk about one thing theywant to accomplish the next year
.
My family like I guess westayed up, but that's kind of it
.
Yeah you.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It would be my last, except for the that makes it my
fourth option.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, what's your last?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
My last is Halloween.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Because we weren't allowed to celebrate it really
Okay, because it was demonic.
No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding,I'm going to be quiet, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Different convictions .
Different convictions,different families, different
convictions.
We can talk about that, but youdidn't celebrate it.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
We didn't, we didn't.
Sometimes, when we were older,like teenagers, we would
convince our parents to maybelet us hang out with our friends
or do whatever they were doing.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But other than that, just hang out.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Just yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Which is fun.
It is fun, but not particularto the festivity or the holiday.
Okay, all right, let's go tonumber four, number four.
What was your number four, bob?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I got to look back, there's only five.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Fourth of July.
Is that age you just forgot?
Stop it.
Fourth of July.
Fourth of July Again it was aday.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I mean, yeah, and I was patriotic as a kid because I
was around in 1976.
Oh, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Just missed Woodstock .
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, well, I was around for a while in 1976, but
still, yeah, fourth of July wasokay, but I don't remember us
doing huge picnics or anything.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I'm going to have to disagree with you because mine
is way down the list.
4th of July in a positive way,but way down the list or way up
the list Way up Down in number,up in favoritism.
Okay, kara, what was yournumber four?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
My number four is New Year's Day, because we didn't
celebrate it at all, Like prettymuch the same thing.
Maybe we stayed up, butprobably not.
But when I was older, we gotover, we went to Kara Prokoko's
house and at midnight I wentwith my siblings and she had her
and her siblings there and atmidnight we would run around the
neighborhood with all her potsand pans and just bang them
(09:38):
around.
So it became a fun tradition,but it wasn't really all
throughout Korea until then.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
But we did that for like three years.
I think, wow, it was a goodtime.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
My number four Glad I don't live in your neighborhood
or in Kara's neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
A lot of people were awake, though, and they would
just yell happy new year, sothen they would reply back.
It was a good time.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Mine was Easter yell happy new year, so then they
would reply back.
It was a good time.
Mine was easter.
Hear me what?
Listen, I'm a pastor.
Now it's like number one okay,I get it oh, whatever, I'm
talking about the festivitiesaround it yes to be clear we did
not, our church did not do aneaster egg hunt.
Um, our parents would do like alittle small gift, almost like
people get like an easter basketkind of thing but, mostly just
like some candy and stuff.
So we enjoyed services that day.
(10:23):
We dressed up nice, but wedidn't make a lot out of it and
I didn't grow to appreciate ituntil I realized what all we
were learning, teaching andbelieving and putting at the
forefront of that day.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So, and you know what , every Sunday is Resurrection
Sunday.
So so there, all right.
Number three I had well, kara,you go ahead.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Number three.
Yeah, number three, I putEaster.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, I put.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Easter it was.
It was fun.
We would wear cute clothes,We'd go to church, we would
decorate some eggs.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
But also not too egg-decorate-y, because then
that was too worldly, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
We died eggs Did you die eggs Once or twice, maybe we
did.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
We would get together with family and friends I
forgot that evening and then wewould die eggs.
But I think I liked Christmascelebrations because we'd make
gingerbread houses and that wasmore fun than dying eggs.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Easter is three for me, and it was one of those
holidays where wow, yes you giveme a face back off four, I'm a
three it was one of the holidays.
I remember as a kid that ourfamily would gather around with
other families, so I get to hangout with my cousins and we do
fun stuff.
So, yeah, yeah, big celebrationday church in the morning and
(11:39):
then go some to somebody's houseand just hang out and do
whatever hanging out my numberthree is your number two.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I can see it on your sheet of paper, so my number
three was halloween.
So, um, there were specificrules that my parents had
pertaining to halloween.
We could not dress up asanything gory or scary, or do
haunted houses or participate inthe occult.
Our neighbors weren't either,thankfully, nor anyone on our
street that I know of, but wegot to go down our street that I
(12:06):
know of and if they were,they'd probably do it other
nights of the week as well.
But we went out, we got freecandy and I liked candy.
So I dressed up as a baseballplayer one year.
I dressed up as, I think, fredFlintstone when I was really
young, and so we met a lot ofour neighbors that night.
And again, christians havedifferent convictions, different
ways that their conscience arepricked, and so we did.
(12:28):
We would hop in the back of aminivan with all of our church
friends.
We would hop in the back of atruck with all of our church
friends.
All of their families kind ofgot together.
My parents kind of had a posseand then we would go to our
pastor's house and it was a lotof fun.
I remember the memories.
It was good memories.
We'd come back, we'd dump allthe candy.
My parents would say you can'teat that tonight, you can eat it
(12:49):
over the next few days.
But we would eat a lot, and soit was a lot of fun, fun stuff.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You Number two?
Now I was going to say you gavemy number two away, sorry, yeah
, halloween's my number two.
Why?
A lot of childhood memories andmy family didn't have a lot of
rules around it.
Same kind of stuff, no, scarystuff, that kind of stuff.
But our school, our elementaryschool, would always have a
carnival around Halloween, ohyeah, and they would do prizes
(13:17):
and different things for costumecontests.
So I remember that fondly.
I remember winning the contestone year as what.
Well, and that's the interestingthing.
So I dressed as like a hobo whojumps onto a train and had a
stick with a bag, but I wonThings you could do back in the
day.
But I won.
They thought I was a pirate, soI won prizes being the best
(13:41):
pirate, but I was actually ahobo.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Pirates take over cargo and you just would hop in
the cargo hold of the train.
I guess I was a train pirate.
Our church for Awana back atHalloween for a minute would do
dress-up things, but you'd haveto dress up as a Bible character
.
One year I dressed up.
My mom dressed me up.
My mom's very creative.
She would make a lot of thecostumes.
(14:03):
She made my Spider-Man costume.
She made me a Pharaoh outfitand then she attached like fake
frogs all over it and then likeflies all over it.
So cute, which is really cool,yeah, clever.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
All right view.
Just to clarify for the churchmembers watching.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Do you want to move on as?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
children, I've enjoyed Halloween more than
Easter.
As children, we enjoy thefestivities surrounding them.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And that's not to say that that would be the way we
would rank them today.
Moving on Kara to you accusingyour pastors, or something?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Who invited Kara back ?
There's not two witnesses here,Kara.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It went a lot quicker last week when Kara wasn't here
.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Hey, hey.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I somewhere to be Kara.
Come on now.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay, Number two my number two is 4th of July, just
because my family would gettogether and barbecue and it was
a good time with everyone.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Nice.
So I think I'm now at my numbertwo and I would agree, so 4th
of have in my list, because wewould barbecue, because we would
spend my parents wouldn't spendit but I'd like to save up my
money to buy fireworks.
Uh, I loved pyro, so I would,you know, try to put fireworks
together.
We blow up mcdonald's toys, um,and then we try to, you know,
(15:14):
get the ones that, like theshoot up little little balls
that make lights and sounds andstuff, and we would always have
bottle rocket wars.
So did you ever do that?
So we would get like old Cokebottles and just chase each
other and shoot bottle rocketsat each other.
Thankfully no one got hurt, butthat was a lot of fun we did.
We did do like the Roman candlewars, but they weren't as fun
cause they didn't pop.
(15:34):
You know, you run far enoughaway from them.
But bottle rocket wars, butbutter rocket wars, you'd have
to aim and some of them werepretty close to your legs and
feet.
Nice, yeah, that was fun.
Good days.
Number one I feel like we allhave the same number one.
What is it?
One, two, three, christmas.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
As a child, what better day is there?
You know it's the day you lookforward to all year.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, it's a good day , but I also put Thanksgiving
because I loved Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Thanksgiving 8.
I wrote it in there, but eventhough you didn't put it in
there, he chose Halloween overThanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I know See.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Celebrating the dead versus thanking God for your
family and friends.
Oh goodness, I don't liketurkey that much, so
Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Your parents are in town.
I'm going to have to have aconversation with them.
Please do you celebrateHalloween too?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was your number two, not number three.
Hey, let's get to the topic.
Y'all Goodness, let's go, let'smove on.
So a lot of these are gearedtoward you, bob.
I want to Pastor Bob, I justhave a few questions for you.
I have six of them.
We may make it through them, wemay not.
I'm going to hard stop in about10 minutes.
It's all about his schedule,isn't it?
Hard stop.
So you have 10 minutes toanswer the questions.
(16:38):
I get to Bob, are you anintrovert or an extrovert?
Introvert, 100% For sure.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
How does your person what I know?
That may be hard for some tobelieve, because I stand up and
speak in front of large crowdsall the time, but by nature I am
an introvert and you're a coach, so you speak to large crowds
as a pastor.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm not afraid of being in front of people.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It doesn't bother me being in front of people, but
you rest alone.
It takes energy to be in frontof people where I I recuperate
and rest privately, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
My my wife and I.
I feel like I think this is athing where I was more
extroverted before we gotmarried college and high school
and she was more introvertedbefore we got married and
because of the profession thatI'm in.
(17:30):
I am around a lot of people,and so I need some breaks every
once in a while, even to rest.
And she before she's now ateacher.
She was home more with our kids, and so she needed more
interaction, and so I feel likewe've leveled not leveled out,
but I feel like.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I've less introverted .
Speaker 1 (17:40):
She's more with our kids, and so she needed more
interaction, and so I feel likewe've leveled not leveled out,
but I feel like I'm lessextroverted, she's more
extroverted but she's definitelyintrovert and I'm more of an
extrovert.
Yeah, I can see that for youguys for sure Easily.
How does your personalityaffect your ministry, either
positively or negatively?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
your introversion- yeah, just being aware of it,
knowing that my go quiet time,personal time, away from things,
away from people, and knowingthat that is not a good formula
for developing relationship,developing ministry.
So, again, it doesn't mean Idon't like being around people,
(18:14):
it just draws energy.
So, making sure that I'mbalancing my time of
introversion with spending timewith people, you keep your
office door open so that so ourextroverts can bother you.
Yeah, exactly, myself included.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yes, Try to yeah, you come to the offices and we're
chatting.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Right, and, and, and and try to schedule lunches and
meetings with people um go outof my way when I'm walking down
a hall to them, so those kind ofthings.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I've seen you a few times kindof put your head to the ground
and just run past people.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That was just you.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, all right, we're going to move on Number
two.
Hey, someone calls you lastminute and asks you to preach
for them.
So someone got real sick.
And it's a conference weekend,so it's a Saturday morning, so
it's a.
Saturday morning Sure and theyneed you to speak any text of
scripture.
There's no theme, for whateverreason there's no theme and they
say you know what this is.
(19:12):
So last minute, pick whereveryou want to be.
Do you have a sugar stick?
Sermon Do you have a sermon yougo to?
Do you have a text?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it a sugar stick.
I've got a few texts that Iwould go to that I could
probably just you know, I'vepreached enough times, or it is
something that I'm comfortablewith, that I could do off the
cuff.
Romans 15, 13.
And I made the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace.
Uh, the last part of it.
Of Ephesians three.
First part of Ephesians four.
Um, now to him who's able to doexceedingly, abundantly beyond
(19:40):
and then explaining the churchin there.
Um, so yeah, those are two,that, that two that come to mind
off the bat.
Nehemiah, chapter eight love.
Nehemiah, chapter eight great,great text about the wall around
the city has been built, butthe job of removing the reproach
isn't over.
There needs to be spiritualrebuilding of the people, and
(20:01):
they asked the man of God tobring the word of God and
explain the word of God.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So it's yeah, those three are probably they weep for
joy.
They cry Exactly, they weep.
They cry just by hearing God'sword.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yep, so those three are just.
You know there's more, butthose three would be.
You know, if I had to preachright now.
I'm probably grabbing one ofthose texts.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, yeah, 1 Peter.
Right now it's into 1 Peter,it's beginning of Philippians
and it's 1 John, 4, 7 through 12, the gospel.
Yeah, okay, number three.
I'm going to fly through these.
So what's some of your, or oneof your, biggest frustrations
while preaching?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
My inability.
I could guess another one.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You have plenty of ability.
Well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
But no, that isn't.
That's an honest answer, thoughit is just feeling inadequacy
and doing it yeah, yeah, just nomatter how prepared you are,
and just being frustrated thatyou can't articulate it more
clearly.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Feeling like Do you feel like I need to say this?
I feel like I've said thisbefore, but at the same time, I
feel like I need this.
So you're wrestling with man,they're hearing the same thing
from me, but I know I need this,right, right.
I hope they embrace it as well.
Right, this is the gospelmessage.
It is sweet to my soul.
I hope they think it is sweetto their soul and don't just
(21:25):
feel this redundancy here.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, so I would say it's an honest answer to say
feeling inadequate, which cancome across as a negative thing,
but honestly, it's a reminderto me that I am inadequate and
the word is what istransformational, not my
presentation of it.
That being said, I shouldpresent it well.
(21:47):
I should present it so thatpeople are excited to hear it,
can understand it.
So one thing that isfrustrating is my own inability.
Another would be, of course,just lack of response, and
that's lack of immediateresponse beyond amens.
Lack of immediate responsebeyond you know, amens.
(22:11):
Or you know, when you present atext and you preach and then
you give an opportunity forresponse and you don't have it
immediately, at least notoutwardly, visually you have to
be reminded.
Okay, god's working.
It just may not be, you know,showing itself right here.
So, yeah, that's ourfrustration.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Our church is set up in such a way that the entrances
and exits are right next topeople.
They're peripherals.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
There's no easy way to get in and out of our room.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Without feeling like you're seen and being seen
Without being seen, yes, Do youfeel like sometimes people that
are rushing off to lunch?
Does that get frustratingsometimes where?
You're trying to land the plane.
You're trying to call for aresponse and people exit.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
That would be a frustration For sure, for sure I
mean, and sometimes our servicegoes roughly an hour and 10
minutes to an hour and 15minutes.
So, folks coming in after havingtheir coffee in the morning.
I understand, I've been there,you've got to take care of what
you've got to do, but noteverybody that's jumping up at
the end of her end of therestroom.
Some are jumping to head towhatever they need to do and
we're not done.
Worship's not done yet andthere's times when I've called
(23:20):
us out on that and I probablywill in the near future again.
But yeah, it's frustratingbecause we're not done.
The Spirit's still moving andwe need to focus.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
We've still got songs to sing, announcements to give,
announcements to give andpeople to see afterwards that
maybe you didn't get to see onthe way in, right, all right.
Number four Well, we've gotabout four more minutes.
Number four should pastors thisis maybe more of an inside
baseball question.
Okay, pastors, this is maybemore of an inside baseball
question.
Okay, so our church has astatement of faith that one
(23:52):
would be encouraged to know andaffirm becoming a member.
We believe this, we know this,we know this is being taught
here.
We want to be a member.
Still, sure, should pastorshave a more narrow statement of
faith than what the churchmembers affirm?
Is there anything that youwould say hey, you know what
(24:13):
this is, this is a this broadand you can be part of our
church believing this, butwithin the pastoral staff it'd
be, wise to have a little morenarrow statement of faith, a
little more extra things youwant to make sure are.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I don't know that I would use the word narrow.
I might use the word specific,clarified, concise, so I don't
know if I would use what was theword you used.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Narrow.
Narrow, and I may just be usingsynonyms for that, I was just
thinking, narrow is the path tobeing a pastor.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
It's important for any church, anybody, to
understand.
This is what we believeScripture teaches.
There should be a doctrinalstatement, and that statement
should be more concise, morenarrow, the smaller the group
gets.
Yeah, right, so if you'retalking denominationally, and if
you're in a teaching position.
(25:10):
Right, right.
So if you're talkingdenominationally, then that
statement of faith is probablygoing to be a broad umbrella
that is focused on the primarythings and more generous on
tertiary things.
Primary things and moregenerous on tertiary things.
But as you move down to localchurch, local church might want
(25:30):
to be a little more specific onspecific things and then as you
move into an individual, such asa pastor, you need to know what
you believe.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
One more question.
I'm going to skip the youthpastor one.
I think that one deserves maybeits own conversation.
Okay, I think so.
Maybe you're most prepared forthat one.
I don't.
One deserves maybe its ownconversation Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I think so.
Maybe you're most prepared forthat one.
I don't know.
I'm not prepared for any ofthese.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
The question is let's table it, but we'll do one more
.
The question that we'll tableis why are churches finding it
so hard to find a youth?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
pastor right now.
Oh yeah, you asked me aboutthat.
That is a good question.
We may come back and do that.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
That might deserve episode, because that is true.
Is there an appropriate use ofAI for pastors?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
There's an inappropriate use for it.
You should not be using AI towrite your messages.
I shouldn't have.
I can hand on a Bible, standbefore and say I have not, but I
don't use AI in any fashionother than if you consider
Google AI.
But I mean no, I don't go to.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
What if it's the Google AI?
Yeah, I call Gemini.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, I don't, I don't use any of it.
Yeah, maybe it's to mydetriment, but I don't.
I don't say, hey, write me asermon on this text.
This amount of words.
Don't do that.
I don't.
I don't think that'sintellectual or spiritual
honesty.
Okay, so we need to do our ownresearch.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Now can you use.
You're crafting an email for agrant or asking another
something and you put it inChatGPT.
I actually never used ChatGPT,but Gemini or whatever that is.
And you say correct grammar,good Sure.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Why not?
Okay, it's a tool.
If you're using it for a toolfor your ideas, if you're using
it for a tool to sharpen whatyou do, then fine.
Just don't use it as a crutch.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Graphic ideas for a sermon series.
As the media director of achurch, give me six examples of
a sermon series on blank Right.
Yes, why not?
Okay, I have used it.
Here's what I used it for.
I had a very so this is thefirst time I've used it and it
was only for this class, not fora class I was graded on.
(27:35):
But I was in a Baddest Historyclass last semester and I had a
very specific question I couldnot find the answer to, and it
was did John Calvin ever callout Luther for his language?
As they were contemporariestoward the end of Luther's
leadership to Calvin's, andCalvin was really popular.
(27:55):
People were following Calvin,people had followed Luther.
Some went from Luther to Calvin.
Did Calvin ever have an issuewith Luther?
And he did.
He wrote to Luther, and so whatAI helped me do was to find
some links to answer thatspecific question, and in fact,
calvin had some language forLuther for not responding.
Apparently, calvin wrote aletter through Philip
(28:19):
Melanchthon.
Philip Melanchthon went toLuther.
Actually, he didn't go toLuther.
He went back to Calvin and saidhe's not going to want to read
that, and so Calvin said do younot have time for me?
And Melanchthon did deliverthat note.
I wouldn't have known that Ihad books on the issue and I
couldn't find it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think AI would be another conversation and I'd
love to bring other guys in thatuse it for research.
I've just never dived into it,delved into it, dove, dove, dove
.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Diven, diven.
What's the verb tense?
Delved, delved.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Delving, but I have, I know some guys that use it as
a resource.
They don't write their sermonswith it, but they use it as a
resource, and maybe I'm missingout on something right.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Maybe, instead of using Google, they'll say give
me a synonym for this word Sure.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Because you're trying to keep PPPP or SSSS and what's
the difference between that andusing a thesaurus?
Or what's the differencebetween that and the thousand
commentaries that I've got on myshelf that I'm going to pull
off and use as resources?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, it was really helpful for the Baptist history
class when I had a very specificquestion.
It was really helpful for theBaptist history class when I had
a very specific question Likewhat are three key differences
between the New HampshireConfession and the Westminster
Confession?
It helped, all right.
Well, I think that does ourepisode.
I've got to get to Cambridge topick up my kiddos.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Oh, that was the hard deadline we were up against.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, so you know, I think we're going to end the
episode.
You guys, good with that?
Okay, bye, Ready.
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