May 6, 2025 • 37 mins
On this week's episode, we explore six practical recommendations for finding peace and rest in the midst of a stressful, restless life. These straightforward strategies offer pathways toward genuine mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual rejuvenation.
Pastor Trent gives us insight on what scripture has to say about stress, tune into this week's episode to learn more!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
it's studio day it's studio day we're in the studio
and actually it's just me andyou.
Today you're joining thepodcast.
Um, I have a topic in mind thatwe're going to talk through and
bob is I wouldn't say mia,we're just sans bob meaning he
was just vicinity is he here?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I think he had a thing and then he's gonna be
here and then he's gonna doanother thing.
Yeah, some kind of pastor thingthis morning might be an
associational thing.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We are bobless, we are without bob, sans bob block,
pastor bob block.
But we're hanging out in thestudio.
I've noticed the office islively this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It is.
It's kind of popping.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It feels lively.
I was out at the BCMheadquarters in northern
Tampa-ish Today In TempleTerrace.
I was there this morning, Iheaded down here and you've had
a lively morning.
Some car issues.
With my parents, yeah, but allis going well, made it in I
think the liveliness is due tovbs prep that's probably it, yep
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I think there's people uh,getting all the vbs decorations
prepared downstairs, our vbsleaders somewhere in the office
and her family's somewhere heretoo.
I thought I heard him runningaround, so yeah, scampering
about yeah sometimes fridays arequiet.
That's not a quiet Friday, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Thursday Today's.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Thursday Sometimes Thursdays are quiet.
It's not a quiet Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Not a quiet Thursday, but that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I have a fact for you .
Speaker 2 (01:33):
What is your?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
fact this morning.
So of course we're churchplanning.
We just received our SBC ID,which identifies us as a
Southern Baptist church at thenational level.
You have to use your SBC ID toregister to be a messenger at
the Southern Baptist convention.
Southern Baptist convention isthe Southern Baptist.
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We only technically exist as aquote, unquote convention.
When the convention takes place, to register you have to use
your SBC ID.
But the reason I'm even sayingall these things is because this
year marks the 100th year ofthe cooperative program.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Exciting.
Thank you for asking so.
The cooperative program is theprogram put in place for the
collection of monies across theconvention churches to fund
ministries and missions, that'sso very cool across the
convention churches to fundministries and missions.
That's so very cool.
So the denomination has beenaround since 1845.
The cooperative program for howwe use the spending of our
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monies has only been around thelast 100 years, so there might
have been votes for how theywould use the monies before that
.
Now it's like okay, okay, itgoes to fuel these entities and
institutions.
So, um, every year, uh well,the churches that give to the
sbc are giving to thecooperative program.
Uh, the cooperative programfuels the international mission
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board.
I think it's like 4 000 or somissionaries across, uh the
across the world.
It fuels the North AmericanMission Board.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Missions and ministries in the states.
It fuels our six SouthernBaptist seminaries, which is
Gateway Seminary, midwesternBaptist, new Orleans,
southeastern, southern andSouthwestern.
It funds our Ethics andReligious Liberty Commission, an
office that we have in DC thatspeaks to social, moral and
ethical concerns for SouthernBaptists.
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It fuels our resourcingministry, which is Lifeway,
christian Resources books andSunday school materials.
It also fuels GuidestoneFinancial Resources.
So this is like retirementinsurance, financial planning,
medical insurance for pastorsand ministry leaders.
I have Guidestone, guidestoneFinancial.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Resources.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So this is like retirement insurance, financial
planning, medical insurance forpastors and ministry leaders.
I have Guidestone GuidestoneNow for medical I did not have
it for medical in the past andfor retirement.
My retirement accounts withGuidestone Through NAM.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Through Guidestone, guidestone which is funded by
the cooperative program thecooperative program which has
been around for 100 years now.
That was it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
The SBC Executive Committee for any issues with
the convention as a whole.
The SBC Executive Committeeoversees that.
They're funded by thecooperative program.
The WMU, the Women's MissionaryUnion and State Baptist
Conventions also receive alittle bit of money from the
Cooperative Program.
So we're celebrating 100 yearsof cooperating together to fund
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missions and ministries asSouthern Baptist churches.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And we're celebrating this next month.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We are now in May, so it is next month.
Are we in May?
Today's May 1st?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yes, today's May 1st Whoa.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So everybody, make sure you pay your rent or your
mortgage or whatever else landsin the first.
It's the day Happy May.
Happy May April showers bringMay sand in Florida.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's just hot sand.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
April showers bring May showers.
That's right, it's justhumidity which brings June,
hurricanes which brings Well,right, it's just humidity brings
june, hurricanes, which brings,well, august, not, I guess,
august yeah, that's a lot closerto hurricane season this
hurricane season, september,october um yes, somewhere in
there.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, hey, we have a lot we're going to talk about,
but you have a question.
We do?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I do have a question for you, mr pastor trent yeah,
can I edit your question alittle bit?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Go ahead and ask your question, see what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No you can't.
My question is what are the topthree songs on your Spotify
repeat playlist?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So my Spotify gave a skewed look into my listening
habits for a long time because II had like one set playlist I'd
play before, services, beforeand after, and that wasn't
necessarily what I listened toall day, it was just on a
playlist on repeat so you get itin your brain no, like, I mean
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like pre-service stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, right, so like you're talking about, what the
things you practiced like forthe drums and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Sorry, well, that too , but for a long time, like my
spotify was the one in the youthroom and my spotify is the one
in the young alt room, and sothe same songs, the same 20
songs, would always be my top 20songs.
Yeah, because they just repeatit all the time.
Now that's not the case, soit's actually a more accurate
reflection of what I listen to.
Um, so right now, a band that Idon't know how to pronounce it
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looks like Keala or Koala orKaola is one of the tops on my
list, or?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Chiola, I don't know how to pronounce it.
I don't even know what thatmeans.
Sorry, so I listen to a lot ofsinger-songwriter music.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So that band is up there.
Noah Gunderson is always up onmy list.
Who else by Gateway Worship ison my list?
Um uh, who else by gatewayworship is on my list, One of my
favorite.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Wait, so did you give me?
You just gave me the artists,though.
What are the songs?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Okay, sorry, wolves by Koala Um, let's see one by
Noah Gunderson on here.
First defeat by Noah GundersonUm.
A simple song by ChrisStapleton who else?
By Gateway Worship, the Lord'sPrayer by Matt Marr, up by
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Forrest Frank, because we werelistening to it with the kids in
the car Hospital.
By Lydia.
Simple Gospel by United PursuitWay Home by Young in the City.
So a lot of it's likesinger-songwriter artists that I
listen to a lot, mixed withsome favorite worship songs
right now.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So cool.
That's a typical playlist.
Wow, what's your fave song atthe moment of all of them?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I don't have one.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
All right, I don't have one.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
All right, I don't have one, so have you noticed?
So if anybody has Spotify, youknow the day list feature, you
know what this?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
is I think so yeah.
It gives you a little playlistfor your day.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But it also names, what your day list is.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Okay, what's the name of yours?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sometimes they can be funky, so my day list is called
I look up day list because itdidn't pop up.
My earthy happy folk Thursdaymorning.
Have you seen this?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Earthy happy folk.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, look up day list.
What is yours called?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Thursday morning.
Mine is called upliftingpositive Thursday morning.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That sounds very much like Joel Osteen.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Okay, sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Earthy happy folk.
So I've got Zach Bryan, tylerChilders, gregory Allen Isikoff
which I'm probablymispronouncing Shaky Graves,
camp Watch House, steel Drivers,wild.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Rivers.
I love Wild Rivers.
Yeah, they're okay.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I really liked them at first.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They're okay, blue Meniers are on here.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Thanks, Trent Wild Arado Ghost of Paul Revere.
Never heard of them.
I don't know who that is.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, I have some strange things on here that I
don't even listen to.
There's Kane on here, chrisristomlin, which is not bad, but I
don't feel like I listen to him.
Very often need to breathe.
Jervis campbell is on here, ofcourse, which I like, jervis
campbell knew that um.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Chris renzema is on here, but ann wilson's on here
and I don't listen to her Iguess I just wanted chris
renzema a lot and he didn't popup on any of my lists yeah,
that's weird, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I don't listen to ann wilson or not, that she's bad
or anything, I don't knowchristian artist, secular artist
, I don't know anyone else she'sa christian artist.
I believe she's the one whodoes my jesus I would tell you
about my jesus I thought thatwas jamie stoffus.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
She always does that song.
She does, she always does thatsong when we're doing on sundays
, oh, yeah, okay, um.
So hey, the topic of the daytoday what is the topic?
Let's jump in.
Uh, so I thought it would be agood idea to just have a
conversation about stress, um,but that topic kind of morphed
in my head as I was writing justsome ideas of what we talk
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about, to six recommendationsfor a restless life.
So let's title this podcast onsix recommendations for a
restless life.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
For a restless life.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, for those that feel restless or stress-filled
or just like overwhelmed ortired.
Just tired, apathetic, tired,you know.
I thought this would be maybejust some good recommendations
was there something that madeyou think about this topic?
Um, in the past I've there'sbeen seasons I've felt very
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restless.
Where I've not, I feel likerest evades me.
Yeah, um, where I'm, I'm busy,I'm tired, I'm not as one would
call on my game yeah make sensemm-hmm so here's some, maybe
just some things to add in.
It could be patterns, healthypatterns sweet yeah, I'm talking
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myself here.
This I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
These six recommendations, I don't miss a
whole two all the time mm-hmmrecommendation all right, let's
hear, maybe you could add one,if you have one.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So here's number one Prayer.
So, for those overcome byanxiety, what the scripture
recommends is hey, examine yourprayer life.
Hey, if you're worried abouttomorrow, cast your anxieties on
the Lord, for he cares aboutyou.
His mighty hand is the one thatparted the seas and also carves
your path in life.
Cast your anxieties upon him,for he cares about you.
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We think of Matthew chapter six.
Matthew chapter six talks aboutworry, and that worry can be
likened to a lack of faith, andthis worry, in particular in
Matthew chapter six, is a worryover the future.
Ah, what about tomorrow?
What's going to happen tomorrowand the next day and the next
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day?
How am I going to do this andthat?
And so what Jesus speaks aboutin the Sermon on the Mount is
hey, god controls your future,so trust him with it.
Right, don't be overwhelmedwith future circumstances that
you can't control.
God's in control of them.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, and he cares about you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You don't think he cares about you.
Look at the birds of the airand the lilies of the field.
You aren't worried abouttomorrow and he cares a lot more
about you than the birds of theair and the lilies of the field
.
And so set your mind on thingskingdom related and God will
help you and care for you everyday of your life.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I feel like sometimes, when I'm in a
stressful situation or moment, Idon't really want to pray
because I'm trying to think of away out of the situation.
So it's hard to get myself intoa spot where I can rest enough
to actually think, to talk toGod about whatever's going on,
which is probably a sign of theneed for, I guess, like more
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spiritual maturity.
You know, because we want to goto God first, but a lot of the
time it's like ah.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Two things to consider.
The first is an exaggeration issometimes helpful to prove a
point.
I think that's what was whatMartin Luther was doing, the
great reformer.
He one time said he says I haveso much to do today that I will
need to spend three hours inprayer.
Yeah, that's a helpfulexaggeration.
He says I have so much to dotoday that I will need to spend
three hours in prayer, yeah.
That's a helpful exaggeration.
Hey, don't busy your life somuch that you can't spend time
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in prayer, and prayer is whatfuels servitude.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Right Proper service.
You think also, what could havebeen, in his humanity, the most
restless time in Jesus'sministry?
Well, probably right before hedied.
And what did he do?
He prayed, he went to theGarden of Gethsemane and prayed
right.
He knew what was coming, heknew how difficult the next days
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would be and he prayed.
What did Jesus do?
The most stressful time of hislife?
He prayed.
All right.
Number two I can see Calvin,the last, the most stressful
time of his life.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
He prayed.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, all right, number two.
I can see Calvin just standingoutside the door.
Calvin, you're welcome.
Oh, that's Matt.
Is it Matt or Calvin?
You can come say hi, just sayhi.
All right, calvin said hi.
Bye, calvin.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Bye, bye.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So the second thing I'd recommend is sleep.
Um.
So the second thing I'drecommend, uh, is sleep.
Sleep.
That doesn't sound spiritual.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I disagree.
I do think that the physicallife and the spiritual life of a
believer are not sodisconnected.
Uh, here's what I mean by that.
Um, sleep is God's reminder tous that we're not him.
Sleep reminds us we're notsovereign right.
So God has so put in our design, our bodies, the fact that we
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must shut off and trust the Lordthat he's going to wake us back
up.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So every night before we go to bed, I'm an imperfect
dad.
There's a lot of things I don'tdo well.
So every night before we go tobed, I'm an imperfect dad.
There's a lot of things I don'tdo well.
But one thing that I think Ijust want to bake in my son's
memory of his childhood is everynight, the last thing that I
say I pray over him, pray withhim.
We read the Bible together.
Every night, it's the sameexact rhythm.
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The last thing we say is hey,judah, we can sleep.
And he responds because Goddoesn't Right.
You can sleep because Goddoesn't Right Um.
A good reminder is hey, we'renot sovereign and God, like it,
will ruin us if we do not go tosleep.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Uh, a Baylor study in 2019 has been a bunch of
studies, but a Baylor study in2019, um Bay of studies, but a
baylor study in 2019.
Um baylor's uh college ofmedicine, bcm, which is kind of
funny.
Bcm did a study.
It basically said you want tobe more stressed, sleep less
yeah, yeah, how many hours youget per night I am pro sleep, so
here's how kind of like the thetypical day works for me.
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Um, if I go to bed later than1030, I'm up too late.
Right Now, some people will saythat you're staying up too late
.
Some people, it's all relative,but if I'm up past 11, I'm
unhelpful.
Right, I'm typicallyunproductive.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The next day, the following night.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I mean I'm not having a good time if I'm up past 1030
.
Typically, typically, um so uh,my wife wakes about five, 15,.
I'll wake up about five, 45 tosix ish, sometimes six, 10,
depending on if my kids areawake yet, uh, so I don't wake
up before my kids.
They wake up too early, uh, andthen I help, you know, get them
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ready for school, uh, and theyleave and I spend some time in
the word and sometimes I'll fallasleep for about 10 to 15
minutes before I have to jump inthe shower.
So, um, you know, on average I'mgetting you know, seven and a
half to eight hours of sleepthat's good, that's very good I
think, a lot of guys who arejust worn out and they're like I
don't know why I'm juststruggling with apathy and anger
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and frustration and justtiredness.
I think sometimes weoveranalyze and the simple
answer is like how much sleepyou getting?
Genuinely, how much sleep yougetting?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I think like, especially in America, we just
feel like we have to be on topof it, you know.
So we have to be like going toget that bagayden wakes up super
early, but he also prefers togo to sleep super early as well
as he should, so yeah, yeah, I'mquite the opposite.
What's jesse?
What time does she go to sleep?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
she's more of a late night person than me.
We're going to bed at the sametime every night.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I mean, if one of us is going to she's more of a late
night person than you, oh yeah,and she wakes up at five in the
morning yeah, I mean she's.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I mean she doesn't want to wake up that early.
So if there's a morning whereshe's gonna sleep in later, she
wants to stay up later yeah,that makes sense.
Yeah, so she, she likes being upand and not just going to bed.
I, I'm good to go to bed.
I like I want to work and go tobed tired.
Um, she's good with staying uplater.
Every once in a while I'll belike hey, let's watch a movie,
it's late, let's do it.
We'll sleep in more.
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Um, but um, she's more of alate night now than I am.
That's crazy.
She has to wake up earlier thanI am.
Yeah, but if we can sleep in,I'm more of an early morning
person than she is that's veryinteresting.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh, she does a good job with that.
Yeah, she does.
All right, do you have the nextpoint for us?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Number three community.
This is pretty obvious.
But a man, as the old phrasesgo, a man is on an island, a
woman is not an island.
They cannot live isolated.
It's unhelpful, mentally,emotionally and physically for
you to be removed from people.
The shift of work to working athome has had a detrimental
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effect, I think, on the psycheof a typical human being if
they're not getting out of theirhome regularly.
Right, we are meant to be withpeople, to see people.
Adam should not have been alone.
That's why God created Eve.
Right, of course, that speaksto marriage, but it also speaks
to just the fact that we're notmeant to live in isolation, and
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so I think any number of thingscan make us restless, one of
which could be we're just notaround people.
The church was built just foryou to be around people, to be
encouraged by people, to pourinto people.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Um, so yeah, is there a time in your life cause you,
you've grown up in a Christiancommunity, and so have I?
Is there a time in your lifebecause you, you've grown up in
a christian community, and sohave I?
Is there a time in your lifethat you remember you feel like
you may have had a very smallamount of community or access to
community, maybe during covetor sometime previous?
Maybe you weren't as regularlyinvolved in a church.
I know it's strange, becauseyou've been involved in a church
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majority of your life, maybeeven all of your entire life,
which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But I can't think of a time.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Um, I think in when I was in Orlando, like high
school years, we were stillactively involved in church but
I did feel like I didn't have alot of access to other believers
that I could share my sufferingwith, because I went to a
public school and whatnot, somost of my friends were not
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believers.
And then I moved here to Tampaand then I found a good bit of
people who were kind of on thesame track as me that I feel
like I could share my sufferingwith.
I mean, that was really good.
I feel like there's a clichethat people say where it's like
if you have a friend, you havehalf as much.
If you share your suffering,you have half as much suffering.
If you share your joy, you havetwice the joy, or something
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like that.
That I thought was really sweet.
I feel like I've heard thatlittle bit here and there.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
If you're listening, write it down, that's good.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But yeah, and then during COVID I was a part of
this church at BC Tampa and thenduring COVID I was completely
cut off.
I didn't even watch it online,if I'm being honest.
And so that was reallydifficult, because I remember
even I got COVID and I wasn'tallowed back at work for like
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two weeks because they had tomake sure it would go away.
And then I got tested for COVIDagain and then it was still
positive, even though I wasn'tsick anymore, and then that was
another two weeks that I wasjust away from anyone at all.
So that was really rough, youknow.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, and this goes for I mean, we're probably both
extroverts, but this truth, Ithink, goes for even the
introvert right yeah this is nota matter of personality.
This is a matter of reality.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
We have to have some sort of community yeah, I
definitely used to be more of anintrovert and then, since
having been to college andrealizing the importance of
sharing my faith and being incommunity, I've made a practice
of like getting out of mycomfort zone, which has been so
good, and especially like withJane and I going into the
military life or whatever thatlooks like, to be able to have
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conversations with people, getout of your comfort zone for the
purpose of either sharing thegospel or building community
around you.
To keep you accountable is soimportant.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I see it in our young adult group too.
There's a lot of girlsespecially, who are just in such
need for accountability becauseit's like, even if they've been
able to come to church and makethe decision to come to church,
you know, on a Sunday morning,you have the rest of your entire
life throughout the rest of theweek, and if you can't share
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your suffering with anyone, thenyou have to bear it entirely,
almost by yourself.
And the Lord has given uspeople, he's given us himself,
so that we could share oursuffering with him and with
others, because he isrepresented by the church here
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with us.
And so, yeah, I agree that'svery, very important to have
community in the midst of stress.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That's good.
Number four forceddisconnection.
So it seems like I'm saying theopposite of what we just said,
but forced disconnection, sothis would be in the realm of,
like, social media and internetand all that kind of thing,
right, easier said than done.
I'm obviously not great at this.
I don't know if obviously isthe right word to use, but I'm
just I'm personally not great atthis.
But, um, set apart, you knowdays, times, rhythms, where do
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you just disconnect from socialmedia anyway, you can, right?
So it's funny.
The promise of the phrasesocial media is that we would be
more social, and yet what welearn is that social media has
made us more isolated and, insome ways, more disconnected,
and so to disconnect from socialmedia might help us actually
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become more social, right?
Yeah?
So there's a well-knownencouraged rhythm that I think a
few pastors have talked about,where, um, hey, if you can rest
from social media, here's apattern one day of the week,
don't be on your phone, and thenone month of the year don't be
on your phone, right?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So if you're looking for a rhythm, uh to just uh, so
just to disconnect, that's ahealthy thing, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
One day a week, one day don't be on your phone to,
to not need, just, yeah, to notbe on social media, okay, those
kinds of things yeah yeah, Iremember you talked about
getting a I don't know if it'slike a brick phone or just
something and one of my friendshe downloaded like a thing that
just well, he got a completelynew phone.
That's just like wiped everyother thing off of his phone
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yeah so it's been helping him, Iguess like focus and some
things that matter.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But yeah, I think that's very good yeah, I think
social media is kind of what I'mtrying to talk about here,
because I'll talk about work ina little bit.
Um, so number five, uh, work, Isay a little bit, it's the next
one work, um.
So I I want to be careful andbe in the right balance here.
Um, christians are supposed tobe the least complaining of all
peoples.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's one way we shine as lights in the midst of
a twisted and crooked generation.
Using the words of the apostlePaul in Philippians, chapter two
and we want to be reallycareful.
We're not lazy.
Um, there is a lot of problemsabout the sloth.
There's a lot of proverbswritten about the sloth.
There's a lot of proverbswritten, possibly, about zeal.
We want to be hard-workingpeople yeah okay, um, we want to
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work really, really hard, butwe also want to learn how to
delegate.
We want to learn how to say noas much as we say, or even more
than we say, yes.
You don't have to say yes toeverything, right?
This might just soundproverbial, but the scriptures
speak in proverbial ways,especially good steward of our
time.
It's right to put you know, alot of work into a few things we
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can do well.
Then, um, little work into abunch of things we can't do well
, right.
So learn to say no, um, I justwanted to write.
I wrote this down.
You know, learn.
This is part of kind of thatshutting off.
If you just think about days inthe recent past, you know
hundred turn years.
Whatever you want to go back,we went from letters.
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So if we, if someone neededsomething and needed to
communicate with one another,you're right, and letters take
time.
You're thinking about what youwrite and there's time for it to
get to the person you'rewriting to.
They're taking time to readwhat you wrote, right.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Then it went from letters to having a house phone.
Okay, so you had one point ofcontact where someone could pick
up the phone, dial your number.
You'd have to stand by thephone, you'd have to talk there,
right, we went from letters toa house phone to email.
Okay, now you have internet andyou can can sit down at your
home computer and you can typeup an email and it would take a
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few minutes and it would get tothe person on the other end and
they could read it, but they'renot on their computer all the
time.
It sits in one room of theirhouse.
Went from letters to housephone, to email to now a cell
phone.
Early on, cell phones didn'thave texting.
It may have had it, but rarelypeople texted.
You had plans where you'd berestricted to a certain amount
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of text a month, um, and so nowyou can text in the case of
emergency.
Of course, pagers were kind oflike that, but we won't talk
about pagers.
Um, then you went from lettersto house phone, to email, to
cell phone, to texting.
Texting is a regular part oflife.
Hey, you should do this.
Hey, can you take care of this?
hey what do you think about?
Then we went from letters tohouse phone to email, to cell
phone, to texting, to multiplesocial avenues to receive
messages.
So I could receive messages onFacebook.
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I could receive messages onInstagram, on Snapchat I don't
really use Snapchat, butSnapchat, twitter has a
messaging feature.
What other messages features?
Group me if you're part ofgroups.
So there are multiple ways toaccess people and there are a
few ways that you can shut off,yeah, and so, um, my
recommendation is work reallyhard without complaining, learn
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how to delegate, learn how tosay no and learn how to shut off
when you can right hey, I'mreachable from this hour to this
hour and if there's in case ofemergency you can call me.
Otherwise I can text backtomorrow you don't need another
day, right?
That's harder to do for pastorsor emergency service workers,
but it's right to shut off, towork really, really hard and
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then to shut off yeah, I thinkthat's very important.
Yeah, yeah, I talked a lot aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Sorry, but I think that's helpful no, it kind of
went hand in hand, I guess, withthe, the social media thing
that you were talking about.
Could you kind of recap each ofthe five things again, because
we have one more left?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
right Yep.
So prayer, prayer, sleep, sleep, community, community.
Forced disconnection Forceddisconnection Including number
five work Consider your work.
Yes, Learn to say no, and thenactive rest is number six.
Active rest, active rest.
So there's a proverb that saysthose who work with their mind.
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this is not a proverb inscripture but an ancient proverb
those who work with their mindrest with their hands.
Those who work with their handsrest with their mind, and that
is at least true in my lifeMeaning.
There's a lot of work leftundone on the desk when I leave
and go home to be with my family, as I should.
So there's sermon prep thatcould get more work done.
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There's more books that I couldlearn more about so I could
teach on different issuesimpacting the life and minds of
college students and people inmy congregation.
There's people that are stillbeing discipled.
That's a long, slow process, butif I can mow my lawn, I can
look back and say done, yeah,done, feels good, it feels so
good.
Right, we are moving, obviously, to church plant in Knoxville,
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tennessee, and we have a swingset in our backyard that has
slowly been made of wood and soit's slowly just being ruined by
all the rain and stuff likethat.
It's rotting, um, and so we'regetting rid of it.
Um, aside from the displeasureof being stung by a wasp on my
hand, it brought me so much joyjust to be outside and hack
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apart it apart it felt awesome,it was restful.
I mean I'm sweating like crazybecause it was like 90 degrees
outside and I've got you knowjust sweat pouring down from my
face, but that was so restful tome.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, you're just doing something completely
different than what you do allday, so it's just yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So here's my encouragement Find something
that you can accomplish.
Let me say this find somethingthat you can accomplish.
Let me say this.
It was from a book I read endof the year last year.
Quite a controversial book, butit talked about hey, how do you
deal with some mental healthstruggles in your life?
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Sometimes a prescription hasbeen in modern days to like
rehash it in your mind, toruminate on it which is a
symptom of the problem, right?
Sometimes there's a study donethat said, hey, like, if you're
struggling mentally, one thingthat could be helpful for you,
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whether it's anxiety orloneliness or depression, these
feelings of whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Is to get out and go grocery shop because you got sun
.
Sun is helpful.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You got out Out is helpful.
You accomplish a task, thattask.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
That's helpful for you mentally to just even feel
like you're being productive.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
You used money you earned.
That's helpful.
Four things where you could beruminating, talking about the
problem over and over and overin your own head.
No, get outside, go accomplishsomething.
So think of ways that you can,you know, set some goals and
meet some goals If you work with, again, your mind.
Do something outside.
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Do some landscaping, yeah, makesome plants.
Find something that you enjoydoing If you work with your
hands.
Read a book, right.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Find a book you can read and enjoy.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
That's my last.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think, it's very helpful yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So again, prayer, sleep, community, forced
disconnection, work life, andthen active, rest, active, rest
Active rest.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, so if you're stressing, here's some things
you might need to sleep.
You might need to sleep.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You might need to pray.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Might need to pray.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You might need some friends.
You might need to shut off thatphone.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Or you might just need to go grocery shop.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
You may need to pick up a book and follow a story.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I genuinely.
I've started to like poetrymore and more, so I bought a
poetry book not long ago, andthat's not for everybody, and I
don't know for sure if it's forme.
Yet I like it so far.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
What poetry book is it?
Am I allowed to know?
Speaker 1 (32:35):
No for sure if it's for me yet I like it so far, uh,
but what poetry book is it?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
am I allowed to know?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
no, but but it's really trying to buy milk and
honey.
Yeah, don't know what that is,but it's like a viral?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I don't know, it was famous a little while back, but
okay, so uh, poetry or somethinglike that, yeah yeah, may I add
something?
yeah, that could be to stress, Ithink just at least in regards
to the social media type thing.
I have quite a few of myfriends, you know we're just on
social media, we're on all thethings all the time, and I think
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it's.
I agree that it's so helpful tounplug because we just have so
much access to information.
I know a lot of people willtalk about this nowadays, but
you know, we're thinking aboutpolitics, we're thinking about
things that are happeningoverseas, we're thinking about
all of these other problems inaddition to our everyday life
struggles.
And, like you know, we have ourown set of problems, and so
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does our neighbor.
You know they have their ownset of problems, and so, if
we're thinking through in ourbrains about how to solve some
political issue, you know, likeI can't solve the issues
happening in the Middle East,but I can maybe help my neighbor
and share their burden in somecapacity.
And so I think that that if wewant to not only relieve our own
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stress this might becontroversial too, because you
know people want to be informednowadays If you're not informed,
you are wrong.
You know, if you're not informed, then you're not doing enough
to help the people, everyone inthe world.
You're just not doing enough.
And so, but I would argue thatit's even more beneficial to
actually solve the problems thatyou're capable of solving, you
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know, and so like.
That's something that I thinkabout every now and again when I
see people angry online aboutthis or that, um problems that
we can't really directly solve.
We can help.
I'm not saying that we can'thelp.
There's no way that we can.
I'm not saying that there'sthings that we can do, um, but a
lot of problems are bigger andup to other people.
Um, yeah, I think that that'shelpful.
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And maybe another thing is thatwhen you're not stressed
something that actually hashelped me, a spiritual
discipline when you're notstressed to memorize a scripture
, is so helpful because there'sbeen so many times that I've
been stressed that I've beenable to pull from the scripture
that I have memorized which wassomething that I learned in
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college in the midst of all that, those ministry things that I
didn't realize would help me somuch While I was practicing the
scripture, cause it was just somuch fun.
But when you're stressed, youdon't want to practice
memorizing the scripture, you'rejust really going based off of
anything that the Lord couldcould give you to bring you
peace, and so to have scripturememorized also something that
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can be helpful for the believeras they are existing in the
world in a stressful environmentor situation, yeah, yeah, what
you put in your brain matters inboth the situations.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I've said this before , I'm gonna echo what you've
already said.
Is like the doom scrollingthing right where you're
scrolling through your algorithm.
I just um the.
The cultural philosopher boburnham wrote a song about this,
right, um, I don't think wewere built to process varying
(35:56):
emotions so quickly, meaning Imean, the Psalms do.
There's variance in hisemotions, there's resolve in the
end, but like I don't know thatwe're built to process, you
know a high-speed chase, andthen a cute puppy video, and
then a child who's deaf nowreceiving, you know, the
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cochlear implants, and then the,the joy that that brings and
the happy tears that brings, andthen the murder of someone on a
college campus.
And that does that make sense?
yeah, like I don't know that wewere supposed to take that in in
seven, seven second bitswithout reflection, and
scrolling does not allowreflection.
It allows, like you know, youknow, a jump in our kind of
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serotonin, the jump in our allthese sort of emotional parts of
our chemistry.
I don't know that that'shealthy yeah and memorizing
scripture is a long, slowprocess of thinking about the
things of god, which is I morewhat we're built for.
So I think you're hitting thenail on its head.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Hey, well, hopefully this has been a helpful episode
in some sort of way.
Maybe a few things jumped out.
You're like I want to thinkabout that or I want to put that
into my daily rhythms or weeklyrhythms.
Instead of just talking abouthow busy we are, let's put in
place some practices that helpus rest in the goodness of God,
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rest in his care of our life andjust find ways to enjoy all
he's given us.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Amen, let's do it 37 minutes.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
We did it.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
See you later, everybody All right, see you.
Well, there we go.
All right, see you.
it's studio day it's studio day we're in the studio
and actually it's just me andyou.
Today you're joining thepodcast.
Um, I have a topic in mind thatwe're going to talk through and
bob is I wouldn't say mia,we're just sans bob meaning he
was just vicinity is he here?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I think he had a thing and then he's gonna be
here and then he's gonna doanother thing.
Yeah, some kind of pastor thingthis morning might be an
associational thing.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We are bobless, we are without bob, sans bob block,
pastor bob block.
But we're hanging out in thestudio.
I've noticed the office islively this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It is.
It's kind of popping.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It feels lively.
I was out at the BCMheadquarters in northern
Tampa-ish Today In TempleTerrace.
I was there this morning, Iheaded down here and you've had
a lively morning.
Some car issues.
With my parents, yeah, but allis going well, made it in I
think the liveliness is due tovbs prep that's probably it, yep
(01:11):
I think there's people uh,getting all the vbs decorations
prepared downstairs, our vbsleaders somewhere in the office
and her family's somewhere heretoo.
I thought I heard him runningaround, so yeah, scampering
about yeah sometimes fridays arequiet.
That's not a quiet Friday, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Thursday Today's.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Thursday Sometimes Thursdays are quiet.
It's not a quiet Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Not a quiet Thursday, but that's good.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I have a fact for you .
Speaker 2 (01:33):
What is your?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
fact this morning.
So of course we're churchplanning.
We just received our SBC ID,which identifies us as a
Southern Baptist church at thenational level.
You have to use your SBC ID toregister to be a messenger at
the Southern Baptist convention.
Southern Baptist convention isthe Southern Baptist.
(01:54):
We only technically exist as aquote, unquote convention.
When the convention takes place, to register you have to use
your SBC ID.
But the reason I'm even sayingall these things is because this
year marks the 100th year ofthe cooperative program.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Exciting.
Thank you for asking so.
The cooperative program is theprogram put in place for the
collection of monies across theconvention churches to fund
ministries and missions, that'sso very cool across the
convention churches to fundministries and missions.
That's so very cool.
So the denomination has beenaround since 1845.
The cooperative program for howwe use the spending of our
(02:36):
monies has only been around thelast 100 years, so there might
have been votes for how theywould use the monies before that
.
Now it's like okay, okay, itgoes to fuel these entities and
institutions.
So, um, every year, uh well,the churches that give to the
sbc are giving to thecooperative program.
Uh, the cooperative programfuels the international mission
(02:57):
board.
I think it's like 4 000 or somissionaries across, uh the
across the world.
It fuels the North AmericanMission Board.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Missions and ministries in the states.
It fuels our six SouthernBaptist seminaries, which is
Gateway Seminary, midwesternBaptist, new Orleans,
southeastern, southern andSouthwestern.
It funds our Ethics andReligious Liberty Commission, an
office that we have in DC thatspeaks to social, moral and
ethical concerns for SouthernBaptists.
(03:30):
It fuels our resourcingministry, which is Lifeway,
christian Resources books andSunday school materials.
It also fuels GuidestoneFinancial Resources.
So this is like retirementinsurance, financial planning,
medical insurance for pastorsand ministry leaders.
I have Guidestone, guidestoneFinancial.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Resources.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So this is like retirement insurance, financial
planning, medical insurance forpastors and ministry leaders.
I have Guidestone GuidestoneNow for medical I did not have
it for medical in the past andfor retirement.
My retirement accounts withGuidestone Through NAM.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Through Guidestone, guidestone which is funded by
the cooperative program thecooperative program which has
been around for 100 years now.
That was it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
The SBC Executive Committee for any issues with
the convention as a whole.
The SBC Executive Committeeoversees that.
They're funded by thecooperative program.
The WMU, the Women's MissionaryUnion and State Baptist
Conventions also receive alittle bit of money from the
Cooperative Program.
So we're celebrating 100 yearsof cooperating together to fund
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missions and ministries asSouthern Baptist churches.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And we're celebrating this next month.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We are now in May, so it is next month.
Are we in May?
Today's May 1st?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yes, today's May 1st Whoa.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So everybody, make sure you pay your rent or your
mortgage or whatever else landsin the first.
It's the day Happy May.
Happy May April showers bringMay sand in Florida.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's just hot sand.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
April showers bring May showers.
That's right, it's justhumidity which brings June,
hurricanes which brings Well,right, it's just humidity brings
june, hurricanes, which brings,well, august, not, I guess,
august yeah, that's a lot closerto hurricane season this
hurricane season, september,october um yes, somewhere in
there.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, hey, we have a lot we're going to talk about,
but you have a question.
We do?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I do have a question for you, mr pastor trent yeah,
can I edit your question alittle bit?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Go ahead and ask your question, see what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No you can't.
My question is what are the topthree songs on your Spotify
repeat playlist?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So my Spotify gave a skewed look into my listening
habits for a long time because II had like one set playlist I'd
play before, services, beforeand after, and that wasn't
necessarily what I listened toall day, it was just on a
playlist on repeat so you get itin your brain no, like, I mean
(05:55):
like pre-service stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, right, so like you're talking about, what the
things you practiced like forthe drums and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Sorry, well, that too , but for a long time, like my
spotify was the one in the youthroom and my spotify is the one
in the young alt room, and sothe same songs, the same 20
songs, would always be my top 20songs.
Yeah, because they just repeatit all the time.
Now that's not the case, soit's actually a more accurate
reflection of what I listen to.
Um, so right now, a band that Idon't know how to pronounce it
(06:23):
looks like Keala or Koala orKaola is one of the tops on my
list, or?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Chiola, I don't know how to pronounce it.
I don't even know what thatmeans.
Sorry, so I listen to a lot ofsinger-songwriter music.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So that band is up there.
Noah Gunderson is always up onmy list.
Who else by Gateway Worship ison my list?
Um uh, who else by gatewayworship is on my list, One of my
favorite.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Wait, so did you give me?
You just gave me the artists,though.
What are the songs?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Okay, sorry, wolves by Koala Um, let's see one by
Noah Gunderson on here.
First defeat by Noah GundersonUm.
A simple song by ChrisStapleton who else?
By Gateway Worship, the Lord'sPrayer by Matt Marr, up by
(07:13):
Forrest Frank, because we werelistening to it with the kids in
the car Hospital.
By Lydia.
Simple Gospel by United PursuitWay Home by Young in the City.
So a lot of it's likesinger-songwriter artists that I
listen to a lot, mixed withsome favorite worship songs
right now.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So cool.
That's a typical playlist.
Wow, what's your fave song atthe moment of all of them?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I don't have one.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
All right, I don't have one.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
All right, I don't have one, so have you noticed?
So if anybody has Spotify, youknow the day list feature, you
know what this?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
is I think so yeah.
It gives you a little playlistfor your day.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But it also names, what your day list is.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Okay, what's the name of yours?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sometimes they can be funky, so my day list is called
I look up day list because itdidn't pop up.
My earthy happy folk Thursdaymorning.
Have you seen this?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Earthy happy folk.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, look up day list.
What is yours called?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Thursday morning.
Mine is called upliftingpositive Thursday morning.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That sounds very much like Joel Osteen.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Okay, sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Earthy happy folk.
So I've got Zach Bryan, tylerChilders, gregory Allen Isikoff
which I'm probablymispronouncing Shaky Graves,
camp Watch House, steel Drivers,wild.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Rivers.
I love Wild Rivers.
Yeah, they're okay.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I really liked them at first.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They're okay, blue Meniers are on here.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Thanks, Trent Wild Arado Ghost of Paul Revere.
Never heard of them.
I don't know who that is.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, I have some strange things on here that I
don't even listen to.
There's Kane on here, chrisristomlin, which is not bad, but I
don't feel like I listen to him.
Very often need to breathe.
Jervis campbell is on here, ofcourse, which I like, jervis
campbell knew that um.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Chris renzema is on here, but ann wilson's on here
and I don't listen to her Iguess I just wanted chris
renzema a lot and he didn't popup on any of my lists yeah,
that's weird, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I don't listen to ann wilson or not, that she's bad
or anything, I don't knowchristian artist, secular artist
, I don't know anyone else she'sa christian artist.
I believe she's the one whodoes my jesus I would tell you
about my jesus I thought thatwas jamie stoffus.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
She always does that song.
She does, she always does thatsong when we're doing on sundays
, oh, yeah, okay, um.
So hey, the topic of the daytoday what is the topic?
Let's jump in.
Uh, so I thought it would be agood idea to just have a
conversation about stress, um,but that topic kind of morphed
in my head as I was writing justsome ideas of what we talk
(09:58):
about, to six recommendationsfor a restless life.
So let's title this podcast onsix recommendations for a
restless life.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
For a restless life.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, for those that feel restless or stress-filled
or just like overwhelmed ortired.
Just tired, apathetic, tired,you know.
I thought this would be maybejust some good recommendations
was there something that madeyou think about this topic?
Um, in the past I've there'sbeen seasons I've felt very
(10:32):
restless.
Where I've not, I feel likerest evades me.
Yeah, um, where I'm, I'm busy,I'm tired, I'm not as one would
call on my game yeah make sensemm-hmm so here's some, maybe
just some things to add in.
It could be patterns, healthypatterns sweet yeah, I'm talking
(10:56):
myself here.
This I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
These six recommendations, I don't miss a
whole two all the time mm-hmmrecommendation all right, let's
hear, maybe you could add one,if you have one.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So here's number one Prayer.
So, for those overcome byanxiety, what the scripture
recommends is hey, examine yourprayer life.
Hey, if you're worried abouttomorrow, cast your anxieties on
the Lord, for he cares aboutyou.
His mighty hand is the one thatparted the seas and also carves
your path in life.
Cast your anxieties upon him,for he cares about you.
(11:28):
We think of Matthew chapter six.
Matthew chapter six talks aboutworry, and that worry can be
likened to a lack of faith, andthis worry, in particular in
Matthew chapter six, is a worryover the future.
Ah, what about tomorrow?
What's going to happen tomorrowand the next day and the next
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day?
How am I going to do this andthat?
And so what Jesus speaks aboutin the Sermon on the Mount is
hey, god controls your future,so trust him with it.
Right, don't be overwhelmedwith future circumstances that
you can't control.
God's in control of them.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, and he cares about you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You don't think he cares about you.
Look at the birds of the airand the lilies of the field.
You aren't worried abouttomorrow and he cares a lot more
about you than the birds of theair and the lilies of the field
.
And so set your mind on thingskingdom related and God will
help you and care for you everyday of your life.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I feel like sometimes, when I'm in a
stressful situation or moment, Idon't really want to pray
because I'm trying to think of away out of the situation.
So it's hard to get myself intoa spot where I can rest enough
to actually think, to talk toGod about whatever's going on,
which is probably a sign of theneed for, I guess, like more
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spiritual maturity.
You know, because we want to goto God first, but a lot of the
time it's like ah.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Two things to consider.
The first is an exaggeration issometimes helpful to prove a
point.
I think that's what was whatMartin Luther was doing, the
great reformer.
He one time said he says I haveso much to do today that I will
need to spend three hours inprayer.
Yeah, that's a helpfulexaggeration.
He says I have so much to dotoday that I will need to spend
three hours in prayer, yeah.
That's a helpful exaggeration.
Hey, don't busy your life somuch that you can't spend time
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in prayer, and prayer is whatfuels servitude.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Right Proper service.
You think also, what could havebeen, in his humanity, the most
restless time in Jesus'sministry?
Well, probably right before hedied.
And what did he do?
He prayed, he went to theGarden of Gethsemane and prayed
right.
He knew what was coming, heknew how difficult the next days
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would be and he prayed.
What did Jesus do?
The most stressful time of hislife?
He prayed.
All right.
Number two I can see Calvin,the last, the most stressful
time of his life.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
He prayed.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, all right, number two.
I can see Calvin just standingoutside the door.
Calvin, you're welcome.
Oh, that's Matt.
Is it Matt or Calvin?
You can come say hi, just sayhi.
All right, calvin said hi.
Bye, calvin.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Bye, bye.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So the second thing I'd recommend is sleep.
Um.
So the second thing I'drecommend, uh, is sleep.
Sleep.
That doesn't sound spiritual.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I disagree.
I do think that the physicallife and the spiritual life of a
believer are not sodisconnected.
Uh, here's what I mean by that.
Um, sleep is God's reminder tous that we're not him.
Sleep reminds us we're notsovereign right.
So God has so put in our design, our bodies, the fact that we
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must shut off and trust the Lordthat he's going to wake us back
up.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So every night before we go to bed, I'm an imperfect
dad.
There's a lot of things I don'tdo well.
So every night before we go tobed, I'm an imperfect dad.
There's a lot of things I don'tdo well.
But one thing that I think Ijust want to bake in my son's
memory of his childhood is everynight, the last thing that I
say I pray over him, pray withhim.
We read the Bible together.
Every night, it's the sameexact rhythm.
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The last thing we say is hey,judah, we can sleep.
And he responds because Goddoesn't Right.
You can sleep because Goddoesn't Right Um.
A good reminder is hey, we'renot sovereign and God, like it,
will ruin us if we do not go tosleep.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Uh, a Baylor study in 2019 has been a bunch of
studies, but a Baylor study in2019, um Bay of studies, but a
baylor study in 2019.
Um baylor's uh college ofmedicine, bcm, which is kind of
funny.
Bcm did a study.
It basically said you want tobe more stressed, sleep less
yeah, yeah, how many hours youget per night I am pro sleep, so
here's how kind of like the thetypical day works for me.
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Um, if I go to bed later than1030, I'm up too late.
Right Now, some people will saythat you're staying up too late
.
Some people, it's all relative,but if I'm up past 11, I'm
unhelpful.
Right, I'm typicallyunproductive.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The next day, the following night.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I mean I'm not having a good time if I'm up past 1030
.
Typically, typically, um so uh,my wife wakes about five, 15,.
I'll wake up about five, 45 tosix ish, sometimes six, 10,
depending on if my kids areawake yet, uh, so I don't wake
up before my kids.
They wake up too early, uh, andthen I help, you know, get them
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ready for school, uh, and theyleave and I spend some time in
the word and sometimes I'll fallasleep for about 10 to 15
minutes before I have to jump inthe shower.
So, um, you know, on average I'mgetting you know, seven and a
half to eight hours of sleepthat's good, that's very good I
think, a lot of guys who arejust worn out and they're like I
don't know why I'm juststruggling with apathy and anger
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and frustration and justtiredness.
I think sometimes weoveranalyze and the simple
answer is like how much sleepyou getting?
Genuinely, how much sleep yougetting?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I think like, especially in America, we just
feel like we have to be on topof it, you know.
So we have to be like going toget that bagayden wakes up super
early, but he also prefers togo to sleep super early as well
as he should, so yeah, yeah, I'mquite the opposite.
What's jesse?
What time does she go to sleep?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
she's more of a late night person than me.
We're going to bed at the sametime every night.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I mean, if one of us is going to she's more of a late
night person than you, oh yeah,and she wakes up at five in the
morning yeah, I mean she's.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I mean she doesn't want to wake up that early.
So if there's a morning whereshe's gonna sleep in later, she
wants to stay up later yeah,that makes sense.
Yeah, so she, she likes being upand and not just going to bed.
I, I'm good to go to bed.
I like I want to work and go tobed tired.
Um, she's good with staying uplater.
Every once in a while I'll belike hey, let's watch a movie,
it's late, let's do it.
We'll sleep in more.
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Um, but um, she's more of alate night now than I am.
That's crazy.
She has to wake up earlier thanI am.
Yeah, but if we can sleep in,I'm more of an early morning
person than she is that's veryinteresting.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh, she does a good job with that.
Yeah, she does.
All right, do you have the nextpoint for us?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Number three community.
This is pretty obvious.
But a man, as the old phrasesgo, a man is on an island, a
woman is not an island.
They cannot live isolated.
It's unhelpful, mentally,emotionally and physically for
you to be removed from people.
The shift of work to working athome has had a detrimental
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effect, I think, on the psycheof a typical human being if
they're not getting out of theirhome regularly.
Right, we are meant to be withpeople, to see people.
Adam should not have been alone.
That's why God created Eve.
Right, of course, that speaksto marriage, but it also speaks
to just the fact that we're notmeant to live in isolation, and
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so I think any number of thingscan make us restless, one of
which could be we're just notaround people.
The church was built just foryou to be around people, to be
encouraged by people, to pourinto people.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Um, so yeah, is there a time in your life cause you,
you've grown up in a Christiancommunity, and so have I?
Is there a time in your lifebecause you, you've grown up in
a christian community, and sohave I?
Is there a time in your lifethat you remember you feel like
you may have had a very smallamount of community or access to
community, maybe during covetor sometime previous?
Maybe you weren't as regularlyinvolved in a church.
I know it's strange, becauseyou've been involved in a church
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majority of your life, maybeeven all of your entire life,
which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But I can't think of a time.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Um, I think in when I was in Orlando, like high
school years, we were stillactively involved in church but
I did feel like I didn't have alot of access to other believers
that I could share my sufferingwith, because I went to a
public school and whatnot, somost of my friends were not
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believers.
And then I moved here to Tampaand then I found a good bit of
people who were kind of on thesame track as me that I feel
like I could share my sufferingwith.
I mean, that was really good.
I feel like there's a clichethat people say where it's like
if you have a friend, you havehalf as much.
If you share your suffering,you have half as much suffering.
If you share your joy, you havetwice the joy, or something
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like that.
That I thought was really sweet.
I feel like I've heard thatlittle bit here and there.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
If you're listening, write it down, that's good.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But yeah, and then during COVID I was a part of
this church at BC Tampa and thenduring COVID I was completely
cut off.
I didn't even watch it online,if I'm being honest.
And so that was reallydifficult, because I remember
even I got COVID and I wasn'tallowed back at work for like
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two weeks because they had tomake sure it would go away.
And then I got tested for COVIDagain and then it was still
positive, even though I wasn'tsick anymore, and then that was
another two weeks that I wasjust away from anyone at all.
So that was really rough, youknow.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, and this goes for I mean, we're probably both
extroverts, but this truth, Ithink, goes for even the
introvert right yeah this is nota matter of personality.
This is a matter of reality.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
We have to have some sort of community yeah, I
definitely used to be more of anintrovert and then, since
having been to college andrealizing the importance of
sharing my faith and being incommunity, I've made a practice
of like getting out of mycomfort zone, which has been so
good, and especially like withJane and I going into the
military life or whatever thatlooks like, to be able to have
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conversations with people, getout of your comfort zone for the
purpose of either sharing thegospel or building community
around you.
To keep you accountable is soimportant.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I see it in our young adult group too.
There's a lot of girlsespecially, who are just in such
need for accountability becauseit's like, even if they've been
able to come to church and makethe decision to come to church,
you know, on a Sunday morning,you have the rest of your entire
life throughout the rest of theweek, and if you can't share
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your suffering with anyone, thenyou have to bear it entirely,
almost by yourself.
And the Lord has given uspeople, he's given us himself,
so that we could share oursuffering with him and with
others, because he isrepresented by the church here
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with us.
And so, yeah, I agree that'svery, very important to have
community in the midst of stress.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
That's good.
Number four forceddisconnection.
So it seems like I'm saying theopposite of what we just said,
but forced disconnection, sothis would be in the realm of,
like, social media and internetand all that kind of thing,
right, easier said than done.
I'm obviously not great at this.
I don't know if obviously isthe right word to use, but I'm
just I'm personally not great atthis.
But, um, set apart, you knowdays, times, rhythms, where do
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you just disconnect from socialmedia anyway, you can, right?
So it's funny.
The promise of the phrasesocial media is that we would be
more social, and yet what welearn is that social media has
made us more isolated and, insome ways, more disconnected,
and so to disconnect from socialmedia might help us actually
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become more social, right?
Yeah?
So there's a well-knownencouraged rhythm that I think a
few pastors have talked about,where, um, hey, if you can rest
from social media, here's apattern one day of the week,
don't be on your phone, and thenone month of the year don't be
on your phone, right?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So if you're looking for a rhythm, uh to just uh, so
just to disconnect, that's ahealthy thing, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
One day a week, one day don't be on your phone to,
to not need, just, yeah, to notbe on social media, okay, those
kinds of things yeah yeah, Iremember you talked about
getting a I don't know if it'slike a brick phone or just
something and one of my friendshe downloaded like a thing that
just well, he got a completelynew phone.
That's just like wiped everyother thing off of his phone
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yeah so it's been helping him, Iguess like focus and some
things that matter.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
But yeah, I think that's very good yeah, I think
social media is kind of what I'mtrying to talk about here,
because I'll talk about work ina little bit.
Um, so number five, uh, work, Isay a little bit, it's the next
one work, um.
So I I want to be careful andbe in the right balance here.
Um, christians are supposed tobe the least complaining of all
peoples.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's one way we shine as lights in the midst of
a twisted and crooked generation.
Using the words of the apostlePaul in Philippians, chapter two
and we want to be reallycareful.
We're not lazy.
Um, there is a lot of problemsabout the sloth.
There's a lot of proverbswritten about the sloth.
There's a lot of proverbswritten, possibly, about zeal.
We want to be hard-workingpeople yeah okay, um, we want to
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work really, really hard, butwe also want to learn how to
delegate.
We want to learn how to say noas much as we say, or even more
than we say, yes.
You don't have to say yes toeverything, right?
This might just soundproverbial, but the scriptures
speak in proverbial ways,especially good steward of our
time.
It's right to put you know, alot of work into a few things we
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can do well.
Then, um, little work into abunch of things we can't do well
, right.
So learn to say no, um, I justwanted to write.
I wrote this down.
You know, learn.
This is part of kind of thatshutting off.
If you just think about days inthe recent past, you know
hundred turn years.
Whatever you want to go back,we went from letters.
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So if we, if someone neededsomething and needed to
communicate with one another,you're right, and letters take
time.
You're thinking about what youwrite and there's time for it to
get to the person you'rewriting to.
They're taking time to readwhat you wrote, right.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Then it went from letters to having a house phone.
Okay, so you had one point ofcontact where someone could pick
up the phone, dial your number.
You'd have to stand by thephone, you'd have to talk there,
right, we went from letters toa house phone to email.
Okay, now you have internet andyou can can sit down at your
home computer and you can typeup an email and it would take a
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few minutes and it would get tothe person on the other end and
they could read it, but they'renot on their computer all the
time.
It sits in one room of theirhouse.
Went from letters to housephone, to email to now a cell
phone.
Early on, cell phones didn'thave texting.
It may have had it, but rarelypeople texted.
You had plans where you'd berestricted to a certain amount
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of text a month, um, and so nowyou can text in the case of
emergency.
Of course, pagers were kind oflike that, but we won't talk
about pagers.
Um, then you went from lettersto house phone, to email, to
cell phone, to texting.
Texting is a regular part oflife.
Hey, you should do this.
Hey, can you take care of this?
hey what do you think about?
Then we went from letters tohouse phone to email, to cell
phone, to texting, to multiplesocial avenues to receive
messages.
So I could receive messages onFacebook.
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I could receive messages onInstagram, on Snapchat I don't
really use Snapchat, butSnapchat, twitter has a
messaging feature.
What other messages features?
Group me if you're part ofgroups.
So there are multiple ways toaccess people and there are a
few ways that you can shut off,yeah, and so, um, my
recommendation is work reallyhard without complaining, learn
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how to delegate, learn how tosay no and learn how to shut off
when you can right hey, I'mreachable from this hour to this
hour and if there's in case ofemergency you can call me.
Otherwise I can text backtomorrow you don't need another
day, right?
That's harder to do for pastorsor emergency service workers,
but it's right to shut off, towork really, really hard and
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then to shut off yeah, I thinkthat's very important.
Yeah, yeah, I talked a lot aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Sorry, but I think that's helpful no, it kind of
went hand in hand, I guess, withthe, the social media thing
that you were talking about.
Could you kind of recap each ofthe five things again, because
we have one more left?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
right Yep.
So prayer, prayer, sleep, sleep, community, community.
Forced disconnection Forceddisconnection Including number
five work Consider your work.
Yes, Learn to say no, and thenactive rest is number six.
Active rest, active rest.
So there's a proverb that saysthose who work with their mind.
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this is not a proverb inscripture but an ancient proverb
those who work with their mindrest with their hands.
Those who work with their handsrest with their mind, and that
is at least true in my lifeMeaning.
There's a lot of work leftundone on the desk when I leave
and go home to be with my family, as I should.
So there's sermon prep thatcould get more work done.
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There's more books that I couldlearn more about so I could
teach on different issuesimpacting the life and minds of
college students and people inmy congregation.
There's people that are stillbeing discipled.
That's a long, slow process, butif I can mow my lawn, I can
look back and say done, yeah,done, feels good, it feels so
good.
Right, we are moving, obviously, to church plant in Knoxville,
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tennessee, and we have a swingset in our backyard that has
slowly been made of wood and soit's slowly just being ruined by
all the rain and stuff likethat.
It's rotting, um, and so we'regetting rid of it.
Um, aside from the displeasureof being stung by a wasp on my
hand, it brought me so much joyjust to be outside and hack
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apart it apart it felt awesome,it was restful.
I mean I'm sweating like crazybecause it was like 90 degrees
outside and I've got you knowjust sweat pouring down from my
face, but that was so restful tome.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, you're just doing something completely
different than what you do allday, so it's just yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So here's my encouragement Find something
that you can accomplish.
Let me say this find somethingthat you can accomplish.
Let me say this.
It was from a book I read endof the year last year.
Quite a controversial book, butit talked about hey, how do you
deal with some mental healthstruggles in your life?
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Sometimes a prescription hasbeen in modern days to like
rehash it in your mind, toruminate on it which is a
symptom of the problem, right?
Sometimes there's a study donethat said, hey, like, if you're
struggling mentally, one thingthat could be helpful for you,
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whether it's anxiety orloneliness or depression, these
feelings of whatever it might be.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Is to get out and go grocery shop because you got sun
.
Sun is helpful.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You got out Out is helpful.
You accomplish a task, thattask.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
That's helpful for you mentally to just even feel
like you're being productive.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
You used money you earned.
That's helpful.
Four things where you could beruminating, talking about the
problem over and over and overin your own head.
No, get outside, go accomplishsomething.
So think of ways that you can,you know, set some goals and
meet some goals If you work with, again, your mind.
Do something outside.
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Do some landscaping, yeah, makesome plants.
Find something that you enjoydoing If you work with your
hands.
Read a book, right.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Find a book you can read and enjoy.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
That's my last.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think, it's very helpful yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So again, prayer, sleep, community, forced
disconnection, work life, andthen active, rest, active, rest
Active rest.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, so if you're stressing, here's some things
you might need to sleep.
You might need to sleep.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You might need to pray.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Might need to pray.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You might need some friends.
You might need to shut off thatphone.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Or you might just need to go grocery shop.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
You may need to pick up a book and follow a story.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I genuinely.
I've started to like poetrymore and more, so I bought a
poetry book not long ago, andthat's not for everybody, and I
don't know for sure if it's forme.
Yet I like it so far.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
What poetry book is it?
Am I allowed to know?
Speaker 1 (32:35):
No for sure if it's for me yet I like it so far, uh,
but what poetry book is it?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
am I allowed to know?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
no, but but it's really trying to buy milk and
honey.
Yeah, don't know what that is,but it's like a viral?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I don't know, it was famous a little while back, but
okay, so uh, poetry or somethinglike that, yeah yeah, may I add
something?
yeah, that could be to stress, Ithink just at least in regards
to the social media type thing.
I have quite a few of myfriends, you know we're just on
social media, we're on all thethings all the time, and I think
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it's.
I agree that it's so helpful tounplug because we just have so
much access to information.
I know a lot of people willtalk about this nowadays, but
you know, we're thinking aboutpolitics, we're thinking about
things that are happeningoverseas, we're thinking about
all of these other problems inaddition to our everyday life
struggles.
And, like you know, we have ourown set of problems, and so
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does our neighbor.
You know they have their ownset of problems, and so, if
we're thinking through in ourbrains about how to solve some
political issue, you know, likeI can't solve the issues
happening in the Middle East,but I can maybe help my neighbor
and share their burden in somecapacity.
And so I think that that if wewant to not only relieve our own
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stress this might becontroversial too, because you
know people want to be informednowadays If you're not informed,
you are wrong.
You know, if you're not informed, then you're not doing enough
to help the people, everyone inthe world.
You're just not doing enough.
And so, but I would argue thatit's even more beneficial to
actually solve the problems thatyou're capable of solving, you
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know, and so like.
That's something that I thinkabout every now and again when I
see people angry online aboutthis or that, um problems that
we can't really directly solve.
We can help.
I'm not saying that we can'thelp.
There's no way that we can.
I'm not saying that there'sthings that we can do, um, but a
lot of problems are bigger andup to other people.
Um, yeah, I think that that'shelpful.
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And maybe another thing is thatwhen you're not stressed
something that actually hashelped me, a spiritual
discipline when you're notstressed to memorize a scripture
, is so helpful because there'sbeen so many times that I've
been stressed that I've beenable to pull from the scripture
that I have memorized which wassomething that I learned in
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college in the midst of all that, those ministry things that I
didn't realize would help me somuch While I was practicing the
scripture, cause it was just somuch fun.
But when you're stressed, youdon't want to practice
memorizing the scripture, you'rejust really going based off of
anything that the Lord couldcould give you to bring you
peace, and so to have scripturememorized also something that
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can be helpful for the believeras they are existing in the
world in a stressful environmentor situation, yeah, yeah, what
you put in your brain matters inboth the situations.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I've said this before , I'm gonna echo what you've
already said.
Is like the doom scrollingthing right where you're
scrolling through your algorithm.
I just um the.
The cultural philosopher boburnham wrote a song about this,
right, um, I don't think wewere built to process varying
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emotions so quickly, meaning Imean, the Psalms do.
There's variance in hisemotions, there's resolve in the
end, but like I don't know thatwe're built to process, you
know a high-speed chase, andthen a cute puppy video, and
then a child who's deaf nowreceiving, you know, the
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cochlear implants, and then the,the joy that that brings and
the happy tears that brings, andthen the murder of someone on a
college campus.
And that does that make sense?
yeah, like I don't know that wewere supposed to take that in in
seven, seven second bitswithout reflection, and
scrolling does not allowreflection.
It allows, like you know, youknow, a jump in our kind of
(36:40):
serotonin, the jump in our allthese sort of emotional parts of
our chemistry.
I don't know that that'shealthy yeah and memorizing
scripture is a long, slowprocess of thinking about the
things of god, which is I morewhat we're built for.
So I think you're hitting thenail on its head.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Hey, well, hopefully this has been a helpful episode
in some sort of way.
Maybe a few things jumped out.
You're like I want to thinkabout that or I want to put that
into my daily rhythms or weeklyrhythms.
Instead of just talking abouthow busy we are, let's put in
place some practices that helpus rest in the goodness of God,
(37:20):
rest in his care of our life andjust find ways to enjoy all
he's given us.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Amen, let's do it 37 minutes.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
We did it.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
See you later, everybody All right, see you.
Well, there we go.
All right, see you.
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