May 20, 2025 • 43 mins
In this week's episode, Pastor Bob and Pastor Trent reflect on their eight-year friendship and ministry partnership as Trent prepares to transition to lead Redeemer City Church in Knoxville, Tennessee.
What are the different communication styles they had that have complemented each other's ministry approach through these years?
What helped to grow them as individuals through their ministry together? What memories do they have? Find out on this episode of Unsexy Church!
This podcast will continue with Bob and Trent collaborating remotely as Trent begins his new role at Redeemer City Church.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
what's up, pastor bob ?
Hey, trent, good to see you.
Buddy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm all right for a wednesday I feel like our board
gets louder and louder.
I feel like our our levels usedto be a lot higher up but I
mean, I'm thankful for it.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Like 150 episodes in, you'd think we'd get the hang
of this.
Yeah, we're still gonna havethe hang of this.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, we're still going to have the hang of it,
but that's okay, we're gettingthere.
We're having fun.
Hey, it's May 7th, it's aWednesday.
You said that with conviction.
I had to double check what thedate was.
I took my kids to eyeappointments this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh fun.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're trying to get all the appointments in before
we move.
You know we're moving, ofcourse.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I do Really we're moving.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I hadn't heard that we're moving to Knoxville,
tennessee.
Anyways, we went and got ourkids eye appointments, which
they both had to get their eyesdilated, which is not a fun
experience because they got upthe eye drops that just burn,
and so they were not a fan ofthat.
But I took them to Chick-fil-A,which is right next to the eye
clinic, afterward and they bothhad like the big glasses they
(01:09):
had to wear after getting eyesdilated, which is funny.
So I took my two kids, mynon-seeing kids there.
Yeah, that was a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
They were still able to find their mouths to get the
food in right.
Yeah, judah took off hisglasses when he was outside in
the sun and like bright light.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh, it's so bright, so that was a fun time.
Pick from the treasure box.
They got suckers, they gotstickers it's better than shot
day that's right that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Better than immunization day?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
probably not to judah .
Judah shots fine, okay.
Um, but anything in his eyes,so like when he takes shower,
he's like super careful to likenot get his eyes wet.
Doesn't like water in his eyes,okay.
So that was probably the worstthing that could have happened
in his life.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
He survived, though he's made him stronger, that's
right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Hey, I have a fact for you.
I can hardly wait.
I know you're excited, so thefact is about wombats.
I'm a big fan of wombats, sothey're not bats, they're
wombats.
It's kind of like not it's notlike from men to women woman but
wombats.
But unrelated to bats, it'smore like a koala bear looking
(02:18):
thing.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's not a female bat .
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It is a muscular quadrupedal marsupial.
That's what it says.
I don't know what that means.
It is a muscular quadrupedalmarsupial.
That's what it says.
I don't know what that means,so it's short-legged.
It goes on all fours.
It's a koala dog.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, that's kind of what the picture looks like
Koala dog.
I googled the picture just aminute ago when we were setting
up and that's what it looks like.
It's kind of like a littlekoala dog.
Did you know that wombats poopin cubes?
Cubes like they?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
perfect little cubes little cubes, you can google it
like ice cube.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You've already looked up wombats because I told you
in time but I didn't google howthey the shape of their just
after the google search, justput p o o p.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Just try it, look it up, look it up I'm not looking
at wombat poop on my computer ifthey are, they are cubes, cubes
, really.
I don't know how that works.
I don't want to really know howit works.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'm going to guess it's size and shape of sphincter
or something.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, but how does it ?
I get a few sides, but how doesthe front side and the back
side end up like that?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That's the question.
Yeah, I don't like that.
That's the question.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, I don't.
That's the question.
I don't know.
I get, I get four sides.
I don't get the other two sides.
I don't understand well,they're.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Probably are they like pellets more than yeah, so
I guess they could be morepellet like and that's the sure,
the four sides are the, theword you used.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh my lord, oh my plato fun factory is coming to
mind right now.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
for some reason, the word you used, oh my, oh, my
Play-Doh.
Fun Factory is coming to mindright now for some reason.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So you saw a picture of a wombat.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yes, how fast would you think they are?
They got those short littlelegs, but so do mice and rats.
They're pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So the question is are they more like a sloth?
Are they faster?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I think they'd be faster than a sloth.
How fast like a sloth.
Are they faster?
I think they'd be faster than asloth.
How fast?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
you know they're not leopard like, but I'm gonna go I
just read they can run 25 milesan hour get out of here.
It's so fast, so legs, wombatverse.
You say that's got an articleusain, bolt it is.
It pops up wombat versus uh.
While bolt briefly hit under 44kilometers per hour, wombats
(04:30):
can do 40.
What is that?
Kph?
Kilometers per hour, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Kilometers per hour, yeah, so I mean, they're just
slower than you saying yeah,they're about, they're pretty
close, they're faster thananybody else.
Yeah, that's wild, that's socrazy, because they're so small
and like fluffy looking so if awombat's chasing you, should you
run in a straight line or in acrooked line?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I don't know the answer to that I'm here for for
very, very succinct, simplefacts.
I had to google 20 minutesbefore you know, I've been told.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know, if bears or alligators are chasing you, you
zigzag, so they can't make theturns.
So maybe a wombat's the sameway.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, here you go To get to the bottom of the mystery
.
Scientists dissected a wombatthat had died after being hit by
a car.
They examined its intestines soback to the first thing and
found they contained two grooveswhere the guts are more elastic
.
So there's grooves in the guts.
That form, that form said Okay.
(05:28):
Discarding.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Wow, I can go home complete today, having learned.
Well, you can't go home and sayI didn't learn something you
know it's like a Snapple fact.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I learned something.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Cube, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Receptacles yes, okay .
Cube yeah.
Cube receptacles yes, okay,lovely.
Thank you for that.
You're welcome Image as well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I'm here to help.
It's just the two of us today.
There's no, nobody to balancethis.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
That's right.
Kara would just be staring atus.
We are unsupervised.
Kara would just be staring atus, she would, and then she'd be
staring and staring, unless shewould say something really
funny, yeah, so, uh, I've got aquestion.
Okay, this is a question that'sbeen circling all over social
media, and it is could 100 mentake down subdue, and let's just
(06:15):
say, take care of one gorilla,or would one gorilla win?
Take down subdue, take care of100 men, 100 men 100 men versus
one gorilla.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Just like one battle kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
One battle, no escaping what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'm probably going to go with the gorilla, if the men
are unarmed, of course, okay.
Because a 100 men can't get ona gorilla all at one time.
Correct, now they could taketurns, I suppose.
Waves Right, waves, waves, andmaybe eventually wear out the
gorilla right.
I suppose there's one school ofthought I've thought about this
.
Yeah, the last five minutesI've never thought about this
(06:53):
until you just pose the questionthere's.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
There's people who have put in like a list of 100
men, like if, if these itdoesn't say that shape, it just
says 100, yeah, unarmed.
But like, people have even,like, thought about it to the
extent of like, oh, we need thisguy and this guy and this guy
and they could definitely do it.
So could 100 men do it, justany 100 men unarmed Any random
100 men.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Is it possible?
Yes, I think it's possible.
Okay, is it?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
probable.
What would it?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
take.
It would take strategy, itwould take waves.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think here's what needs to happen, bob.
I think you need about.
I think the first 10 are goingto have a bad day, probably
their last day.
So I think you start with sumoguys.
No, actually, I think you getsome fast guys.
First, you're running around,you get it tired.
Then you start with the sumos,the rope-a-dope.
(07:46):
Okay, you're running around,you get it tired.
Then you start with the sumos,the rope-a-dope.
Okay, you know what therope-a-dope is?
Nope, I was born in 1993,pastor Bob, look at that.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Muhammad Ali rope-a-dope.
Look it up.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Is that because he's running around the rope?
No, he just wore the guy down,okay, so anyway.
So you wear the gorilla down.
Then you get the sumo guys tokind of get it cornered.
Kind of push it back a littlebit.
Some of those sumo guys aregoing to have a bad day After
that.
After the sumo guys kind of getit cornered, then you get like
the big jiu-jitsu guys, like theheavyweight jiu-jitsu.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
So rolling around with them.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You get a few kind of on the neck, you get a few on
the legs, you get a few on thearms, and then you bring in the
boxers, and then they just dowhat they need to do.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
What about like karate guys with the very
strategic spots where they hitpeople Sure.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Get the boxers and then get the karate guys.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Feasibly it could be done right.
You've clearly given it morethought than I have.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think what you actually need to do is just
someone who's a chiropractorbecause it hurts sometimes.
Just get that guy out there, doa couple cracks, or get the
back massager person that doeslike the deep tissue massage.
That gorilla's done.
Is it an angry gorilla?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
or is it a nice gorilla?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
He is an average gorilla but has not eaten in the
last half a day.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He's a hangry gorilla .
Speaker 2 (09:05):
He's a pretty hangry.
He's not as hangry as he couldbe, right, right, okay, let's
just say he's not had Chex Mixthat day.
Okay, why Chex Mix?
I don't know, but he doesn'tpoop in cubes.
Not in cubes, I mean you canGoogle.
I'm not going to do that.
All right, here's what we'regoing to talk about.
We're having a fun episode.
So, pastor Bob, you're wellaware that I am moving in two
(09:29):
weeks, a week and a half,something like that, whatever
the day is.
I'm transitioning from servingas well.
I've already transitioned fromnext gen.
I've been one of the pastors onstaff transitioning out of that
pastor position here on staffto lead Redeemer City Church in
Knoxville, tennessee.
We position here on staff tolead Redeemer City Church in
Knoxville, tennessee.
We've had a lot of fun the lastseven and a half, eight and a
(09:50):
half, whatever the years are.
You mentioned doing a podcastthis week on just kind of some
friendship, things like howwe've become friends.
I think we're friends, so Iasked AI to give us questions
with the prompt and I quotequestions to ask a friend and
colleague on a podcast abouttheir friendship Interesting.
There was a lot of questionsthat popped up.
(10:12):
many of which I didn't like.
I kept a few wrote a couple.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You're asking a robot about friendship, yeah exactly,
okay, exactly.
Just to generate questionsabout friendship.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Just to generate questions, cool.
So maybe if you come up withsome other questions just to
generate questions, cool.
So, um, maybe if you come upwith some other questions, just
throw them out there.
All right, let's just have fun.
Sure Shoot.
What were your initialimpressions of me and what was
my initial impression of you?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Go, you're up, go first.
Yeah, why not?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
No, I remember what I was wearing when I came to the
airport.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh, wow, I do not remember that.
I don't remember what I waswearing.
I certainly don't remember whatyou were wearing.
Sorry, I'm not that locked inon those kind of details.
My first impression of youwasn't personal.
It was your resume and thensome video I found of you, but
you were doing videos to parentsof your students at the time.
(11:05):
Yeah, just kind of reiteratingthis is what we're talking about
.
Here are some things that youcan and so I was very impressed
by that.
I saw you were younger at thetime, obviously eight years
younger than you are now so youwere fairly 25.
Yeah, you were young, but I sawa maturity there.
There were things on yourresume that just struck a chord
with me that there was a depththere that I hadn't seen in some
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other places.
So my initial, before we everpersonally met, was here's a guy
of depth, here's a guy ofsubstance, here's a guy who is
forward thinking in how tocommunicate.
So all those things came first,and then when we met, we're
similar personality-wise and soI think that came out pretty
quickly that we were both kindof similar in that regard.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, you were fine.
Um so I wasn't trying to tee upcompliments.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You can say that no, I know you're not.
No, I mean, I'll get, I'lltrust me, I'll get, I'll get my
shots in, great Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You were very kind on the phone.
It was kind of a tough seasonof ministry where we reached out
or I reached out to you.
I remember like there's justlike I don't know that I can
describe it super well, but Iremember where I was when the
phone call.
I remember filling out thequestionnaire.
I remember where I was when Ihad, like, the interview with
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the team from afar.
I remember the travel you knowhere and all so many of those
things.
You were quieter, I would say,than some guys I had met in the
past.
You're a little moreintroverted, would you agree?
Oh, a hundred percent.
Yeah, you are more introvertedthan some you introverted than
some pastor leaders, bosses I'vehad, but very determined,
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driven and administrative,thoughtful and and like once you
like.
It was what's the right wordfor this.
Once you make a decision, it's,it's the decision like.
You don't second guess, you'removing forward because you've
already thought through, you'vealready processed.
So I really appreciated a lotof that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
What was I wearing when we first met?
No idea.
No, that's good.
If you had to answer to that,that would have really bothered
me.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Now you picked us both up in the airport.
We had judah, who was like amonth old or month and a half
old or something like that.
Um and uh, I was wearingbecause you know you, you're
going to meet someone theneverybody has different opinions
and expects different things,and so we were on an air, you
know, an airplane.
It was an early morning, so Ithink I wore like khaki shorts
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and then like a quarter zip, youknow.
So it's like you were on anairplane it's comfortable, but
it's.
It doesn't look sureprofessionally like a slob, yeah
, yeah professionallycomfortable.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, I don't remember that, but I remember.
I remember getting you guys andyou stayed at our house that
year.
That time, didn't you?
Or was it the second time youstayed?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
at our second time, we stayed at, stayed at your
house.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I think which?
That's a whole other story.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, why is it a whole other story on your end?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Do you remember what my son was wearing the first
time you met him?
I don't remember what he waswearing the first time.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
But sometime in the night he came down, so I think
you guys went upstairs and wejust kept talking down in your
living room, because I think wewere staying in Ryan's room.
I think you're right?
Yeah, okay, and he came downshirtless looking for Little
Debbie's.
No, he made a bowl of cereal.
That's what he did.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Is that what you're thinking?
Yeah, yeah.
He came down shirtless lookingfor a bowl of cereal and I was
like hi.
And he was like who are you andwhy are you in my living room?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
hilarious.
Ben was in his awkward stage atthat time yeah, he's come out
of that stage, has he?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
yeah he's come out.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
He's still goofy but he's come out of that, that's
for sure that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Um, yeah, I'm gonna have to.
I'm so I I feel like I can'tremember things very well.
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I don't either, but I do remember having a really
good first impression of you,and that that hasn't gone away.
There's.
There's been, you know timeswhen I've second guessed it, but
I'm kidding, are you?
Serious right now.
No, no, it was all good, allgood all right in your nose, or
some hesitancy?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
all right so, um, okay, how does your?
Uh, let's no, let's just be fun.
Uh, what is the time I made youlaugh?
Or if you fun, what is a time Imade you laugh?
Or, if you can think about it,the time I made you laugh the
hardest?
I've got one teed up in my mind.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
When you made me laugh or when I made you laugh.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, no, no.
When I made you laugh.
Oh really, I don't know if youhave one where you made me laugh
in your mind, I was trying tothink of that, I don't.
Where you made me laugh in yourmind, I was trying to think of
that, I don't.
You've made me laugh a numberof times and I always joke back
like, oh man, I need to recordthat.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That'd be funny.
My humor is so dry and awkwardyou make me laugh.
Just by being you, I mean justbecause you are?
No, because you are, what'syour nickname around here?
Captain, qualifier, captain,qualifier.
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So you qualify, qualifying, youqualify everything.
And so I think, just when youdo that, or just when somebody
intentionally.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It means I'm thoughtful right.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It means you're Just when somebody intentionally just
jabs at you and it's just purefun and you feel like you have
to justify it or have to answerto it.
That you've made me crack up ahundred times just just by
justifying stuff when somebody'sjust messing with you all right
.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
so in in the height of covid, there was a video that
came out uh, let's see fouryears ago.
So yeah and um, every once in awhile I just like to show you a
funny video to see if I canmake you laugh.
Part of social media is findinghow to make your friends laugh
with funny videos or somethinglike that Memes.
So some people didn't like this, but Pastor Bob thought it was
(16:56):
hilarious Because I had showedDarren, I had showed someone
else, I think.
And then I was like all right,bob, you've got to come see this
.
So there was.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
This is one of the more appropriate videos you've
shown me, Actually they're allappropriate.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So this one is do you know what it is?
I think I remember, yes, canyou read?
No, what is it?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I can't see your computer.
What is it?
I'm thinking of couple that youshowed, okay.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So tell me see if you can.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
One involved a lot of spit, but I don't think that's
this one I don't remember.
Oh, yeah, you do, really, yeah,with the pastor spitting on his
associate or something.
Yeah, yeah, you showed me thatone.
I don't remember that, yeah,because I I threatened to use it
one time.
Okay, anyway, I don't know, Idon't remember this one, the
worship chicken, so it's justthe name of it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So it's actually the worst chicken.
Uh, so the first video thatcame out with 1.3 million views
was way maker, so so so someaccount I don't know who this
person is got one of those likesqueaky chicken things you get
at walmart or whatever.
So you're laughing now and theymade a whole like video out of
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it.
Like the chickens in the studiowalking to the mic, opening the
guitar case and singing.
And here's, just here's thatsound.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So I'm gonna see if I can make you laugh just for a
second here.
I'm gonna put it to the micjust for a second here.
I'm going to put it to the mic.
On his tiptoes you got a littlelive reaction here, taking the
guitar out of the case.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, commentary is good.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Just an up close on a microphone right now.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, he hasn't come up yet.
Oh, here he is, if you can't ifyou can't see Bob right now.
He's dying laughing.
Just the funniest thing thatwas.
That was one of the hardesttimes I'd seen you laugh and it
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made me so happy that I made youlaugh that hard.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Oh goodness, there's so much anticipation building in
the video to the moment he justsqueaks.
I'm just a middle school boy atheart.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Hilarious.
Can you think of a time thatyou made me laugh just real big?
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Again, I don't know.
Okay, All right, Obviously youdon't.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So I mean Okay, well, I'm trying to thank you, all
right, so I would say we, well,let's do this.
What's something funny orunexpected?
I'm still.
What's something funny orunexpected you've learned about,
uh, we've learned about eachother through our friendship,
funny or unexpected.
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Funny or unexpected you knowway too much about soccer.
I don't understand soccer andhow it works.
You're a coach, but like allthese other teams, all these
other parts of the world, you,you know a lot about every sport
, so you are a sports guy.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I am.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And kind of like the behind-the-scenes analyst kind
of guy.
You know a lot of differentthings about the makeup, the
players, how it works, all thosekinds of things.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
That's surprising.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I just didn't know it initially, oh sure, and then
I've learned how good anadministrator you are.
I've tried to glean some ofthat and I think you are a very
respectable person.
Again, I'm not trying to justgive you compliments here, but
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in some ways I am People thatyou've had to say very hard
things to respect you.
Thank you are a good man, thankyou are a great pastor to them,
even through that, and that'ssomething I really appreciate
and I want to take from yourleadership.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I appreciate that.
One of the things that Ilearned about you is you're
highly competitive.
There's a drive in you that youdon't always show, but when you
get stuck in particularsituations it comes out.
Okay, it maybe goes back toyour running days, I don't know.
And having to compete so hard,but you do like to be number one
.
You like to fight for the firstplace.
(21:20):
Okay, that's not a negativecomment at all.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
No, I can think of a few examples of this.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Oh, I know where one of these is yes, go ahead.
No, go ahead.
No, no, no.
You thought of the example.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You give it Okay.
Well, sometimes you're like Ithink you can get this many
people to go overseas, I thinkyou can get this, or I think you
can do that and I think theLord will send more.
You know, I'm a very positiveperson and I want to work to a
certain goal if I have it in mymind.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Sure, yeah, oh.
And you are like a pit bull.
Once you get something in yourhead and you feel like it's a
God-given task, nothing's goingto get in your way.
You're going to get it done.
Yeah, that's a good thing, andnot hurting people along the way
to get there.
It's not win at all cost, it isno, we've got something to do
and we're going to get it done.
So I was thinking more ofputt-putt golf, but yeah, I mean
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.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Oh yeah, you mean, how good of a putt-putt golfer I
am.
How fortunate of a putt-puttgolfer you were that night.
Yes, all I have to say is Ithink I beat you in putt-putt
golf and you're the golfer manFormer golfer.
Yeah, I have played golf onetime, maybe twice, on an actual
golf course.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I've always wanted to get you and Darren out on a
golf course.
Oh, it's so bad.
And that's never happened inour eight years.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I can drive the ball.
Two out of every five will behit right or left, but I can
drive the ball.
Okay, I can't do about anythingelse.
Um, I can, I can put a littlebit at putt, putt.
I can, really I can really show.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I saw that yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Um, I think, um, you know I'm trying to think.
Something that was on my mindwas I, you are very easy to work
for, for a person that's that'sdriven and a hard worker and
diligent and sincere.
(23:19):
I think you, you don'tmicromanage, um, yeah, yeah, I'm
trying to think of a right word.
They just say here, um, there'sonly a few times I've seen you
get frustrated, and it's usuallybecause someone has not put
(23:41):
work in right, right, yeah, yeah, and maybe you're trying to
float it like they have.
Right, I can think of no one.
I'm not thinking of anyone inparticular, genuinely, I just
think you know, when someone'stelling you something, you
expect them to actually havethought through it, to have
planned it out, and so yourexpectations are right, but you
(24:05):
don't micromanage and so, hey,if, if you're sharing this, if
we're going to move forward, why, why are we doing that?
Like you, you want to havethose questions answered.
Um, which has helped me,because I'm kind of a weird
floater in between of, like, Ilike to see where I want to go
and I also want to plan it out,but there are probably some
areas I've not thought of hereand there, but I still do think
(24:25):
it out, so that's helped shapeme in ways I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I appreciate that.
Yeah, I try not to be amicromanager until I have to be,
and that's when you know, Ijust set high expectations, yeah
, and I expect people to dotheir jobs, yeah, and so when I
get frustrated, it's whensomebody is not doing what they
said they were going to do orget something done.
And so my other problem, though,is I'm a protector.
I'm also somebody who is aproblem solver, so I think I can
(24:51):
come alongside people whoaren't performing and help them
get where they want to be.
So our need to be so that thosedon't always compliment one
another.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I don't think I see, I wanted to make this fun and I
feel like this is all like, uh,it's all sappy stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So, um, you have a, you have a, a sense of humor
that I didn't see at first.
Okay, and that that isn't.
That isn't overtly obvious inyour life.
You, just you, you get a greatsense of humor, um, but you
laugh at things that I'mthinking I never would expect a,
a Trent, to laugh at that.
That's not a negative.
There's not dirty things, it'snot unsightly things, it's just
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you're laughing at things.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm like Well, am I okay?
So I'm trying to think of anexample of that.
You know that in pastoralministry you laugh at things
that aren't funny.
Sometimes you have to Becauseyou appreciate the person
sharing something that theyreally think is funny.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
what I'm laughing at, or is it like am I actually
laughing?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
No, you're, you're actually laughing at stuff that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, okay, uh, so isthere like a um who's most
likely to that'd be a fun gameto play.
Okay, okay, let's see if we cando that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
um, you have another question of mine, this is like a
wedding thing, don't?
They do this and you a?
Who is most likely?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
to Game.
This is thrilling radio.
(26:33):
Here we go.
All right, here we go.
This is the AI episode.
Pastors, you use ai only onfunny things, for podcasts.
Uh oh, this is all aboutpodcasting, though I don't want
to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Two friends, here we go all right.
Who is most?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
likely to laugh so hard they cry.
I don't know.
What do you think?
Probably you.
I don't know.
You gotta cry.
I just want to watch show youthat?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
yeah, but it's pretty rare.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I mean it's pretty rare I cry when you get me you
get me belly laughing.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's.
Yeah, I'm emotional, you're.
It's pretty rare I cry way toomuch.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You get me belly laughing.
I'm emotional, you're a crier.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm an emotional person.
I'm emotional.
You're more emotional than I am.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Dude I had the most simple thing that the doctor
said about something thismorning.
You got teared up and I gotteared up and it was like
nothing.
It was literally fine.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I did fine until I started talking about your
mission goals and how you wouldaccomplish them.
And I made the mistake oflooking at you and I'm like oh,
and I choked me up because youwere, you were you were down
there crying like a girl.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
No, you weren't, you were just you're.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Hey, girls are great, bob, and we love them but we
love them.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But I am a man, okay.
So they played a video.
I didn't know they were goingto play a video.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, we got you on that one that got me.
Yeah, that was a good video,that really got me and then that
helped me.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
When I preached, I kind of looked at my notes just
to not look up.
If I looked up, I thought I wasgoing to cry.
So who's most likely to spill adrink on themselves?
You, yeah, that's definitelytrue.
Who is most likely to believe aridiculous conspiracy theory?
You no, I just think you are aconspiracy theorist.
(28:30):
No see, you say them thepodcast like I actually am you
are.
Can I just be honest with you?
I don't know that there's anyconspiracy theory I actually buy
into.
I just think they're fun toshare.
Yeah, there's any conspiracytheory I actually buy into.
I just think they're fun toshare.
Yeah, yeah, I think I don'teven look into them, I just yeah
.
I've got friends that havepodcasts that talk about.
I'm skeptical about everything,so I'm so here's the deal.
So many big conspiracy theoriesrequire so many people to lie,
(28:52):
um, and all be on the same pagein a lie, and I don't believe
people are that good at lyingand keeping a secret or what
have you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They're good at lying .
I don't think they're good atkeeping secrets.
That's what I meant to say.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
So I don't think you can have that many people all
colluding to make one big secretconspiracy, so I think most of
them are ludicrous.
All right, who is most likelyto sing karaoke completely off
key?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Are you a good singer ?
I'm not a good singer.
I can, I can hold a tune, butI'm not.
I'm not a good singer.
What about you?
You're a drummer, Can?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
you sing?
No, I've tried to drum and singand that's really hard.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, I can't imagine that.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Um, what's a go-to karaoke song?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
We did that before, have we?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
What was it?
I think I did Don't StopBelieving by Journey, if I
remember right.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Okay, I did All.
Star by.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Smash Mouth.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
That's the only one you know, yeah, yeah, who is
most likely to get distracted bya squirrel?
You Most definitely.
Let's see who is most likely toaccidentally send a text to the
wrong person.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Me probably, yeah it's not me, although I send
like two texts every month.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Who gets more frustrated with group texts?
Me 100% yeah yeah, I'm tryingto think of quirks, about each
other.
You don't like group texts.
I don't like texts in general.
I dislike them with a passion.
Would you rather people textyou or call you?
Call me, it depends on what itis.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It depends on what it is, but I'd much rather talk to
somebody than text back andforth.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
All right, this is not a bad personality quirk, as
long as it's a short phone call.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Um, I'm for that.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Um, this is not a bad personality quirk.
When people come and knock onyour door and they're trying to
sell something, do you answerthe door Typically, no, yeah,
neither do I.
We like to talk to people, butnot that much.
Okay, who's most likely to getlocked out of their own place?
You, yeah, I'll lose my key.
(30:55):
You've lost your key so manytimes.
Let's see.
Lost your key so many times.
Uh, let's see, um, who?
Who is most likely to be stillin their pajamas at noon on a
weekend?
Neither one of us, neither one.
I.
If I don't get out of the houseon any day, any given day, I
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will go so crazy yeah, that'sneither one of us.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Neither one one of us is going to be no.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
My wife will look at me, so if we have family and
we're just wanting to hangaround, she knows I've got to
just accomplish something in aday.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And if I?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
don't, I won't sleep that night.
I'll just be like there's somuch I need to get done today,
and so she'll just stare at meand be like, hey, can for you or
something.
All right, who's most likely tohit the snooze button?
You're already awake beforeyour alarm goes off.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah, but you're not.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I wake up early.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah so.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm not.
Who is most likely to freak outwhere they put their keys?
Who is most likely to have somestrange collection of things?
Do you collect anything?
Not really, I don't collectanything.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I don't really, but I would lean towards me than you,
being more nostalgic probably.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, I'm not super sentimental, I'm emotional, not
sentimental, so I don't hold onto things for a long time.
Do you like?
Click baseball cards or?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, no, okay, who's most likely to talk to their pet
like it's a human?
You, really, I don't have a pet.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
My wife has a cat, but I don't talk to it like it's
a human.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I'm offended, no, I'm kidding.
Who is most likely to be apicky eater Me?
Yeah, I think so.
Who is most likely to be apicky eater Me?
Yeah, I think so.
I like what I like on mosteverything.
I've kind of found what I like,but I'm always down to try
something new.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, once Once.
I'm not a picky eater, but I'ma particular eater.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Have you had escargot ?
Yes, so you've tried things.
Sure, I try stuff.
Yeah, so you've tried things.
Sure, I try stuff.
Who is most likely?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
to stay up late reading a book.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
You don't stay up late but neither do I.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I like staying up late.
It's just not a good patternfor me because I get up so early
.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
See, I don't like staying up late.
I actually don't like it.
So if I don't have anything todo, I want to go to bed.
What time is bedtime typically,me?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, this is fun.
This is maybe wasting people'stime.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
10, 30, 11 o'clock somewhere in there.
Yeah same, he's must like anearly bird.
Okay, let's see here.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
So, while you're looking these up, we've worked
well together for these eightyears.
In my estimation, yeah, yeah,yeah, Um.
So what?
What do you think about?
Our relationship helped us to beable to collaborate well
together, to work well.
I mean, we've complimented eachother back and forth and that's
not what we're after, but butthere is a sense where I mean,
you've worked on ministerialstaffs with other folks before,
(33:55):
you've worked on this staff and,and there's personalities that
you know everybody strives toget along, Everybody strives to
work together, but you don'tnecessarily, um excuse me thrive
in those Um, but we've beenblessed at our staff recently
that, um, we all are on the samepage and kind of working
together, Um, but we've we'veworked.
I think we've worked welltogether in the time that you've
(34:15):
been with us, Um and I, and Ithink it's because we both we're
both passionate, we're bothdriven pretty well, type A
personality, so that goes welltogether.
But I can work well with otherpeople that aren't those things
as well.
We have a commonality in apassion of preaching
(34:37):
expositional preaching.
We have a passion in study, sothose are things that I think we
hold in common.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You know that I like to pursue some goal, that I've.
You know I get passionate aboutsomething camp or a trip or
some ministry thing and I thinkyou've kind of said, well,
pursue it Right.
And I think that has blessed me, uh, in a lot of ways where, um
, I've been free to fail, um,I've been, and I I really do
(35:11):
appreciate that.
And um, you know, I thinkyou've supported different
ministry ventures.
I think you've you've prayedfor me.
I don't know what do you thinkAccompany each other, Because we
both are very similar andsometimes that doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
You're quieter than I am, so I come in your office
more than you come in my office.
Sure, sure, and I'm not averbal affirmer that has been
really tough for me.
Try being married to me for 30some odd years.
Yeah, and it's my wife, andit's something I always I strive
to work on, but I was just notsomething I excelled at.
I've had to learn.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I've had to learn to see what you appreciate, yeah,
rather than to hear you say goodjob, that's fair, that's a
hundred percent fair, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, whatever, that's a hundred percent fair.
Yeah, yeah, and I and I try toget better at saying hey, good
job, well done.
Yeah, appreciated that, I've,I've.
I strive to get better at that,but it's not because I don't
appreciate people, it just goesback to you had a job to do, you
did it, okay, let's move on,kind of thing.
Um, but I, I do.
I think people sense.
Uh, if you're around me longenough, you sense when I'm
(36:19):
pleased and when I'm not, youknow.
So I don't, I don't hide thatvery well.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Honestly though you know you could see that as a uh,
not a strength in you, but itis, I think, made me stronger.
And then I'm not just strivingfor affirmation, um, because you
know so much of ministry is,especially as a pastor, it's
public, and so you oftentimesjust are relying on, you can,
(36:46):
unfortunately, rely on howpeople perceive what you're
doing, um, whether people likeit or don't like it, and so you
can live for people's praise andyou don't praise a ton.
I mean, you praise the Lord aton, but you don't praise people
.
That's just not who.
You are Right, and so that'shelped me Verbally anyway, I'm
just not yeah, yeah butgenuinely.
that's helped me not receivingit all the time.
(37:08):
I've learned what youappreciate without relying on
just being praised or whatever.
That's helped me, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
We've worked well together because you mentioned
that you kind of dream and thenyou pursue something, but you
never do it without coming to mefirst and saying, hey, pastor,
this is what I'm thinking about.
Think through this with me,what do you think?
And so you get me on the frontend of it and I can catch the
vision for it, and then I canfeel freedom to turn you loose,
to go okay, go for it.
(37:36):
Or I'm sure there's somewherealong the way that I said maybe
now's not the best time topursue that, right, um, but most
of the time it is.
Here's why I want to dosomething, here's the goal,
here's what we're trying toaccomplish, and and I love to
surround my people, myself, withpeople who are like that, and
then I can trust them to go getit done, um.
And so we've worked welltogether because you've earned
(37:57):
the freedom, and I've been ableto give you that freedom, to go
do things.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, and I like the work right.
So, like, I like the process ofsaying like hey, look at how
it's going.
Hey, this is what we're doing.
Um, I enjoy that.
I enjoy sharing about thatministry.
Yeah, yeah, Any other thoughts?
I don't know how to fill thistime.
I feel like I feel like a lotof our relationship is just in.
(38:21):
I think it's fun as we go, andso when you sit down and just
talk about it, I don't know muchmore to say oh goodness, Any
really just memories, whateverthey are, that are just like hey
, this sticks out in the lasteight years I've always liked
(38:43):
going to SBC.
I think that's fun.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, we enjoy doing that together.
Darlene and I enjoyed our tripto Knoxville with you and Jess
not terribly long ago.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
That was fun.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Because we just got to hang out.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It wasn't ministry related.
Went to the pizza place.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I mean we were looking at the, the church plant
and all those things, so wewere doing business, but for the
most part it was just usgetting to hang out and do
things.
So, um, yeah, that there's justpoints along the way.
That's just been consistent andthat's my love.
Language is just consistency.
So so, um, yeah, just aconsistent character, consistent
(39:21):
um work ethic, um, consistentproclamation.
I've, I've enjoyed watching youcraft, learn your craft or
develop your craft of preaching.
You were a good preacher whenyou got here, but I think you're
a better preacher as you leavehere, because you've you've
intentionally worked at that andand you've had plenty of
opportunities, not just onSunday mornings.
But I think you're a betterpreacher as you leave here,
(39:42):
because you've you'veintentionally worked at that and
and you've had plenty ofopportunities, not just on
Sunday mornings, but with ourstudent ministry, their young
adult ministry, and so for me towatch that and for you to try
different things and workthrough just your style, um,
that's encouraging to me.
Um has been, um, besides thefact that it's great for me to
just sit down and listen to goodpreaching on Sunday, so I can
take a break from doing thatmyself and just listen to and
(40:04):
know that I'm going to be fedthrough God's word, through you.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Some good memories, you know.
You, let me run on Thrive Camp.
You let me kind of just pursuethis goal that I had of like,
hey, let's do a camp camp.
You let me kind of just pursuethis goal that I had of like,
hey, let's, let's do a camp.
(40:28):
Uh and um, and you trusted meenough to get me through one
year where we lost quite a bitof money to now where we're
doing to now, where we're doingreal well, uh and uh, and so
that's a highlight for me isjust your support of that
ministry, your support of ThriveCamp, your support of me, your
prayer for me, your care for me,you pointing out some different
(40:48):
things even in my ownpersonality, that I need to work
on, my leadership, that I needto work on all of which was hard
to initially hear, but veryhelpful over the long term.
You know, trusting the Lord'sleading and my leadership in
Redeemer City and then sharingthat with the church two years
ago.
You know, one of the firstthings that I remember is just
(41:14):
kind of getting to know the kindof care that you would have as
a pastor for me was long storyshort.
When we needed some help at thevery beginning of moving here,
you saw to it and, without goinginto all the details there, we
still so appreciate that.
And April of 2018, thattransition, the way you handled
(41:39):
that was.
I so appreciate it.
I made a mark.
So thank you for all the yearsthat I've gotten to sit under
your preaching and, uh, for thefriendship along the way.
It's been fun.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
It has been fun.
I'm looking forward to what thenext chapter is going to be.
So I'm really I could not bemore excited to send Redeemer
City out.
I couldn't be more proud thatyou're the one that's going to
lead that and, um, and morecomfortable that you're the one
that's going to do that.
So, um, I look forward to whatthe next chapter is going to be.
It's going to it's going tofeel a little bit different, you
know, be distance, differentrelationship.
(42:09):
But, uh, I really look forward.
Other, yeah, we'll see at theSBC, yeah, and other conferences
probably, and we're going totry to figure out how to maybe
continue the podcast from twodifferent locations.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
That'll be fun and we'll stop being sappy with each
other.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Then yeah, I will miss you popping in my office,
your head poking around thecorner of my office door saying
sorry, sorry, sorry, you got asecond.
Sorry, there it is.
I will miss that.
There it is.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
There it is well, you're, you're, you know you're
a little more introverted person.
So I I've got to talk,sometimes I've got to.
I like to grind, but I've gotto take breaks, just like we all
do, and my breaks usuallyinvolve wanting to tell you
about something, sure?
So I've enjoyed it, brotherwell, cool, all right,
appreciate it.
Thanks for listening theepisode.
We'll have more like this inthe future.
Keep listening.
what's up, pastor bob ?
Hey, trent, good to see you.
Buddy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm all right for a wednesday I feel like our board
gets louder and louder.
I feel like our our levels usedto be a lot higher up but I
mean, I'm thankful for it.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Like 150 episodes in, you'd think we'd get the hang
of this.
Yeah, we're still gonna havethe hang of this.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, we're still going to have the hang of it,
but that's okay, we're gettingthere.
We're having fun.
Hey, it's May 7th, it's aWednesday.
You said that with conviction.
I had to double check what thedate was.
I took my kids to eyeappointments this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh fun.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're trying to get all the appointments in before
we move.
You know we're moving, ofcourse.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I do Really we're moving.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I hadn't heard that we're moving to Knoxville,
tennessee.
Anyways, we went and got ourkids eye appointments, which
they both had to get their eyesdilated, which is not a fun
experience because they got upthe eye drops that just burn,
and so they were not a fan ofthat.
But I took them to Chick-fil-A,which is right next to the eye
clinic, afterward and they bothhad like the big glasses they
(01:09):
had to wear after getting eyesdilated, which is funny.
So I took my two kids, mynon-seeing kids there.
Yeah, that was a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
They were still able to find their mouths to get the
food in right.
Yeah, judah took off hisglasses when he was outside in
the sun and like bright light.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh, it's so bright, so that was a fun time.
Pick from the treasure box.
They got suckers, they gotstickers it's better than shot
day that's right that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Better than immunization day?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
probably not to judah .
Judah shots fine, okay.
Um, but anything in his eyes,so like when he takes shower,
he's like super careful to likenot get his eyes wet.
Doesn't like water in his eyes,okay.
So that was probably the worstthing that could have happened
in his life.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
He survived, though he's made him stronger, that's
right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Hey, I have a fact for you.
I can hardly wait.
I know you're excited, so thefact is about wombats.
I'm a big fan of wombats, sothey're not bats, they're
wombats.
It's kind of like not it's notlike from men to women woman but
wombats.
But unrelated to bats, it'smore like a koala bear looking
(02:18):
thing.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's not a female bat .
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It is a muscular quadrupedal marsupial.
That's what it says.
I don't know what that means.
It is a muscular quadrupedalmarsupial.
That's what it says.
I don't know what that means,so it's short-legged.
It goes on all fours.
It's a koala dog.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, that's kind of what the picture looks like
Koala dog.
I googled the picture just aminute ago when we were setting
up and that's what it looks like.
It's kind of like a littlekoala dog.
Did you know that wombats poopin cubes?
Cubes like they?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
perfect little cubes little cubes, you can google it
like ice cube.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You've already looked up wombats because I told you
in time but I didn't google howthey the shape of their just
after the google search, justput p o o p.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Just try it, look it up, look it up I'm not looking
at wombat poop on my computer ifthey are, they are cubes, cubes
, really.
I don't know how that works.
I don't want to really know howit works.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'm going to guess it's size and shape of sphincter
or something.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, but how does it ?
I get a few sides, but how doesthe front side and the back
side end up like that?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That's the question.
Yeah, I don't like that.
That's the question.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, I don't.
That's the question.
I don't know.
I get, I get four sides.
I don't get the other two sides.
I don't understand well,they're.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Probably are they like pellets more than yeah, so
I guess they could be morepellet like and that's the sure,
the four sides are the, theword you used.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh my lord, oh my plato fun factory is coming to
mind right now.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
for some reason, the word you used, oh my, oh, my
Play-Doh.
Fun Factory is coming to mindright now for some reason.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So you saw a picture of a wombat.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yes, how fast would you think they are?
They got those short littlelegs, but so do mice and rats.
They're pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So the question is are they more like a sloth?
Are they faster?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I think they'd be faster than a sloth.
How fast like a sloth.
Are they faster?
I think they'd be faster than asloth.
How fast?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
you know they're not leopard like, but I'm gonna go I
just read they can run 25 milesan hour get out of here.
It's so fast, so legs, wombatverse.
You say that's got an articleusain, bolt it is.
It pops up wombat versus uh.
While bolt briefly hit under 44kilometers per hour, wombats
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can do 40.
What is that?
Kph?
Kilometers per hour, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Kilometers per hour, yeah, so I mean, they're just
slower than you saying yeah,they're about, they're pretty
close, they're faster thananybody else.
Yeah, that's wild, that's socrazy, because they're so small
and like fluffy looking so if awombat's chasing you, should you
run in a straight line or in acrooked line?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I don't know the answer to that I'm here for for
very, very succinct, simplefacts.
I had to google 20 minutesbefore you know, I've been told.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know, if bears or alligators are chasing you, you
zigzag, so they can't make theturns.
So maybe a wombat's the sameway.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, here you go To get to the bottom of the mystery
.
Scientists dissected a wombatthat had died after being hit by
a car.
They examined its intestines soback to the first thing and
found they contained two grooveswhere the guts are more elastic
.
So there's grooves in the guts.
That form, that form said Okay.
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Discarding.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Wow, I can go home complete today, having learned.
Well, you can't go home and sayI didn't learn something you
know it's like a Snapple fact.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I learned something.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Cube, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Receptacles yes, okay .
Cube yeah.
Cube receptacles yes, okay,lovely.
Thank you for that.
You're welcome Image as well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I'm here to help.
It's just the two of us today.
There's no, nobody to balancethis.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
That's right.
Kara would just be staring atus.
We are unsupervised.
Kara would just be staring atus, she would, and then she'd be
staring and staring, unless shewould say something really
funny, yeah, so, uh, I've got aquestion.
Okay, this is a question that'sbeen circling all over social
media, and it is could 100 mentake down subdue, and let's just
(06:15):
say, take care of one gorilla,or would one gorilla win?
Take down subdue, take care of100 men, 100 men 100 men versus
one gorilla.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Just like one battle kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
One battle, no escaping what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'm probably going to go with the gorilla, if the men
are unarmed, of course, okay.
Because a 100 men can't get ona gorilla all at one time.
Correct, now they could taketurns, I suppose.
Waves Right, waves, waves, andmaybe eventually wear out the
gorilla right.
I suppose there's one school ofthought I've thought about this
.
Yeah, the last five minutesI've never thought about this
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until you just pose the questionthere's.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
There's people who have put in like a list of 100
men, like if, if these itdoesn't say that shape, it just
says 100, yeah, unarmed.
But like, people have even,like, thought about it to the
extent of like, oh, we need thisguy and this guy and this guy
and they could definitely do it.
So could 100 men do it, justany 100 men unarmed Any random
100 men.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Is it possible?
Yes, I think it's possible.
Okay, is it?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
probable.
What would it?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
take.
It would take strategy, itwould take waves.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think here's what needs to happen, bob.
I think you need about.
I think the first 10 are goingto have a bad day, probably
their last day.
So I think you start with sumoguys.
No, actually, I think you getsome fast guys.
First, you're running around,you get it tired.
Then you start with the sumos,the rope-a-dope.
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Okay, you're running around,you get it tired.
Then you start with the sumos,the rope-a-dope.
Okay, you know what therope-a-dope is?
Nope, I was born in 1993,pastor Bob, look at that.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Muhammad Ali rope-a-dope.
Look it up.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Is that because he's running around the rope?
No, he just wore the guy down,okay, so anyway.
So you wear the gorilla down.
Then you get the sumo guys tokind of get it cornered.
Kind of push it back a littlebit.
Some of those sumo guys aregoing to have a bad day After
that.
After the sumo guys kind of getit cornered, then you get like
the big jiu-jitsu guys, like theheavyweight jiu-jitsu.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
So rolling around with them.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You get a few kind of on the neck, you get a few on
the legs, you get a few on thearms, and then you bring in the
boxers, and then they just dowhat they need to do.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
What about like karate guys with the very
strategic spots where they hitpeople Sure.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Get the boxers and then get the karate guys.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Feasibly it could be done right.
You've clearly given it morethought than I have.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think what you actually need to do is just
someone who's a chiropractorbecause it hurts sometimes.
Just get that guy out there, doa couple cracks, or get the
back massager person that doeslike the deep tissue massage.
That gorilla's done.
Is it an angry gorilla?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
or is it a nice gorilla?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
He is an average gorilla but has not eaten in the
last half a day.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
He's a hangry gorilla .
Speaker 2 (09:05):
He's a pretty hangry.
He's not as hangry as he couldbe, right, right, okay, let's
just say he's not had Chex Mixthat day.
Okay, why Chex Mix?
I don't know, but he doesn'tpoop in cubes.
Not in cubes, I mean you canGoogle.
I'm not going to do that.
All right, here's what we'regoing to talk about.
We're having a fun episode.
So, pastor Bob, you're wellaware that I am moving in two
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weeks, a week and a half,something like that, whatever
the day is.
I'm transitioning from servingas well.
I've already transitioned fromnext gen.
I've been one of the pastors onstaff transitioning out of that
pastor position here on staffto lead Redeemer City Church in
Knoxville, tennessee.
We position here on staff tolead Redeemer City Church in
Knoxville, tennessee.
We've had a lot of fun the lastseven and a half, eight and a
(09:50):
half, whatever the years are.
You mentioned doing a podcastthis week on just kind of some
friendship, things like howwe've become friends.
I think we're friends, so Iasked AI to give us questions
with the prompt and I quotequestions to ask a friend and
colleague on a podcast abouttheir friendship Interesting.
There was a lot of questionsthat popped up.
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many of which I didn't like.
I kept a few wrote a couple.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You're asking a robot about friendship, yeah exactly,
okay, exactly.
Just to generate questionsabout friendship.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Just to generate questions, cool.
So maybe if you come up withsome other questions just to
generate questions, cool.
So, um, maybe if you come upwith some other questions, just
throw them out there.
All right, let's just have fun.
Sure Shoot.
What were your initialimpressions of me and what was
my initial impression of you?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Go, you're up, go first.
Yeah, why not?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
No, I remember what I was wearing when I came to the
airport.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh, wow, I do not remember that.
I don't remember what I waswearing.
I certainly don't remember whatyou were wearing.
Sorry, I'm not that locked inon those kind of details.
My first impression of youwasn't personal.
It was your resume and thensome video I found of you, but
you were doing videos to parentsof your students at the time.
(11:05):
Yeah, just kind of reiteratingthis is what we're talking about
.
Here are some things that youcan and so I was very impressed
by that.
I saw you were younger at thetime, obviously eight years
younger than you are now so youwere fairly 25.
Yeah, you were young, but I sawa maturity there.
There were things on yourresume that just struck a chord
with me that there was a depththere that I hadn't seen in some
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other places.
So my initial, before we everpersonally met, was here's a guy
of depth, here's a guy ofsubstance, here's a guy who is
forward thinking in how tocommunicate.
So all those things came first,and then when we met, we're
similar personality-wise and soI think that came out pretty
quickly that we were both kindof similar in that regard.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, you were fine.
Um so I wasn't trying to tee upcompliments.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You can say that no, I know you're not.
No, I mean, I'll get, I'lltrust me, I'll get, I'll get my
shots in, great Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You were very kind on the phone.
It was kind of a tough seasonof ministry where we reached out
or I reached out to you.
I remember like there's justlike I don't know that I can
describe it super well, but Iremember where I was when the
phone call.
I remember filling out thequestionnaire.
I remember where I was when Ihad, like, the interview with
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the team from afar.
I remember the travel you knowhere and all so many of those
things.
You were quieter, I would say,than some guys I had met in the
past.
You're a little moreintroverted, would you agree?
Oh, a hundred percent.
Yeah, you are more introvertedthan some you introverted than
some pastor leaders, bosses I'vehad, but very determined,
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driven and administrative,thoughtful and and like once you
like.
It was what's the right wordfor this.
Once you make a decision, it's,it's the decision like.
You don't second guess, you'removing forward because you've
already thought through, you'vealready processed.
So I really appreciated a lotof that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
What was I wearing when we first met?
No idea.
No, that's good.
If you had to answer to that,that would have really bothered
me.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Now you picked us both up in the airport.
We had judah, who was like amonth old or month and a half
old or something like that.
Um and uh, I was wearingbecause you know you, you're
going to meet someone theneverybody has different opinions
and expects different things,and so we were on an air, you
know, an airplane.
It was an early morning, so Ithink I wore like khaki shorts
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and then like a quarter zip, youknow.
So it's like you were on anairplane it's comfortable, but
it's.
It doesn't look sureprofessionally like a slob, yeah
, yeah professionallycomfortable.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, I don't remember that, but I remember.
I remember getting you guys andyou stayed at our house that
year.
That time, didn't you?
Or was it the second time youstayed?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
at our second time, we stayed at, stayed at your
house.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I think which?
That's a whole other story.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, why is it a whole other story on your end?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Do you remember what my son was wearing the first
time you met him?
I don't remember what he waswearing the first time.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
But sometime in the night he came down, so I think
you guys went upstairs and wejust kept talking down in your
living room, because I think wewere staying in Ryan's room.
I think you're right?
Yeah, okay, and he came downshirtless looking for Little
Debbie's.
No, he made a bowl of cereal.
That's what he did.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Is that what you're thinking?
Yeah, yeah.
He came down shirtless lookingfor a bowl of cereal and I was
like hi.
And he was like who are you andwhy are you in my living room?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
hilarious.
Ben was in his awkward stage atthat time yeah, he's come out
of that stage, has he?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
yeah he's come out.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
He's still goofy but he's come out of that, that's
for sure that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Um, yeah, I'm gonna have to.
I'm so I I feel like I can'tremember things very well.
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I don't either, but I do remember having a really
good first impression of you,and that that hasn't gone away.
There's.
There's been, you know timeswhen I've second guessed it, but
I'm kidding, are you?
Serious right now.
No, no, it was all good, allgood all right in your nose, or
some hesitancy?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
all right so, um, okay, how does your?
Uh, let's no, let's just be fun.
Uh, what is the time I made youlaugh?
Or if you fun, what is a time Imade you laugh?
Or, if you can think about it,the time I made you laugh the
hardest?
I've got one teed up in my mind.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
When you made me laugh or when I made you laugh.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, no, no.
When I made you laugh.
Oh really, I don't know if youhave one where you made me laugh
in your mind, I was trying tothink of that, I don't.
Where you made me laugh in yourmind, I was trying to think of
that, I don't.
You've made me laugh a numberof times and I always joke back
like, oh man, I need to recordthat.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That'd be funny.
My humor is so dry and awkwardyou make me laugh.
Just by being you, I mean justbecause you are?
No, because you are, what'syour nickname around here?
Captain, qualifier, captain,qualifier.
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So you qualify, qualifying, youqualify everything.
And so I think, just when youdo that, or just when somebody
intentionally.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It means I'm thoughtful right.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It means you're Just when somebody intentionally just
jabs at you and it's just purefun and you feel like you have
to justify it or have to answerto it.
That you've made me crack up ahundred times just just by
justifying stuff when somebody'sjust messing with you all right
.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
so in in the height of covid, there was a video that
came out uh, let's see fouryears ago.
So yeah and um, every once in awhile I just like to show you a
funny video to see if I canmake you laugh.
Part of social media is findinghow to make your friends laugh
with funny videos or somethinglike that Memes.
So some people didn't like this, but Pastor Bob thought it was
(16:56):
hilarious Because I had showedDarren, I had showed someone
else, I think.
And then I was like all right,bob, you've got to come see this
.
So there was.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
This is one of the more appropriate videos you've
shown me, Actually they're allappropriate.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So this one is do you know what it is?
I think I remember, yes, canyou read?
No, what is it?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I can't see your computer.
What is it?
I'm thinking of couple that youshowed, okay.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So tell me see if you can.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
One involved a lot of spit, but I don't think that's
this one I don't remember.
Oh, yeah, you do, really, yeah,with the pastor spitting on his
associate or something.
Yeah, yeah, you showed me thatone.
I don't remember that, yeah,because I I threatened to use it
one time.
Okay, anyway, I don't know, Idon't remember this one, the
worship chicken, so it's justthe name of it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So it's actually the worst chicken.
Uh, so the first video thatcame out with 1.3 million views
was way maker, so so so someaccount I don't know who this
person is got one of those likesqueaky chicken things you get
at walmart or whatever.
So you're laughing now and theymade a whole like video out of
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it.
Like the chickens in the studiowalking to the mic, opening the
guitar case and singing.
And here's, just here's thatsound.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So I'm gonna see if I can make you laugh just for a
second here.
I'm gonna put it to the micjust for a second here.
I'm going to put it to the mic.
On his tiptoes you got a littlelive reaction here, taking the
guitar out of the case.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, commentary is good.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Just an up close on a microphone right now.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, he hasn't come up yet.
Oh, here he is, if you can't ifyou can't see Bob right now.
He's dying laughing.
Just the funniest thing thatwas.
That was one of the hardesttimes I'd seen you laugh and it
(19:03):
made me so happy that I made youlaugh that hard.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Oh goodness, there's so much anticipation building in
the video to the moment he justsqueaks.
I'm just a middle school boy atheart.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Hilarious.
Can you think of a time thatyou made me laugh just real big?
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Again, I don't know.
Okay, All right, Obviously youdon't.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So I mean Okay, well, I'm trying to thank you, all
right, so I would say we, well,let's do this.
What's something funny orunexpected?
I'm still.
What's something funny orunexpected you've learned about,
uh, we've learned about eachother through our friendship,
funny or unexpected.
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Funny or unexpected you knowway too much about soccer.
I don't understand soccer andhow it works.
You're a coach, but like allthese other teams, all these
other parts of the world, you,you know a lot about every sport
, so you are a sports guy.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I am.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And kind of like the behind-the-scenes analyst kind
of guy.
You know a lot of differentthings about the makeup, the
players, how it works, all thosekinds of things.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
That's surprising.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I just didn't know it initially, oh sure, and then
I've learned how good anadministrator you are.
I've tried to glean some ofthat and I think you are a very
respectable person.
Again, I'm not trying to justgive you compliments here, but
(20:39):
in some ways I am People thatyou've had to say very hard
things to respect you.
Thank you are a good man, thankyou are a great pastor to them,
even through that, and that'ssomething I really appreciate
and I want to take from yourleadership.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I appreciate that.
One of the things that Ilearned about you is you're
highly competitive.
There's a drive in you that youdon't always show, but when you
get stuck in particularsituations it comes out.
Okay, it maybe goes back toyour running days, I don't know.
And having to compete so hard,but you do like to be number one
.
You like to fight for the firstplace.
(21:20):
Okay, that's not a negativecomment at all.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
No, I can think of a few examples of this.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Oh, I know where one of these is yes, go ahead.
No, go ahead.
No, no, no.
You thought of the example.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
You give it Okay.
Well, sometimes you're like Ithink you can get this many
people to go overseas, I thinkyou can get this, or I think you
can do that and I think theLord will send more.
You know, I'm a very positiveperson and I want to work to a
certain goal if I have it in mymind.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Sure, yeah, oh.
And you are like a pit bull.
Once you get something in yourhead and you feel like it's a
God-given task, nothing's goingto get in your way.
You're going to get it done.
Yeah, that's a good thing, andnot hurting people along the way
to get there.
It's not win at all cost, it isno, we've got something to do
and we're going to get it done.
So I was thinking more ofputt-putt golf, but yeah, I mean
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.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Oh yeah, you mean, how good of a putt-putt golfer I
am.
How fortunate of a putt-puttgolfer you were that night.
Yes, all I have to say is Ithink I beat you in putt-putt
golf and you're the golfer manFormer golfer.
Yeah, I have played golf onetime, maybe twice, on an actual
golf course.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I've always wanted to get you and Darren out on a
golf course.
Oh, it's so bad.
And that's never happened inour eight years.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I can drive the ball.
Two out of every five will behit right or left, but I can
drive the ball.
Okay, I can't do about anythingelse.
Um, I can, I can put a littlebit at putt, putt.
I can, really I can really show.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I saw that yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Um, I think, um, you know I'm trying to think.
Something that was on my mindwas I, you are very easy to work
for, for a person that's that'sdriven and a hard worker and
diligent and sincere.
(23:19):
I think you, you don'tmicromanage, um, yeah, yeah, I'm
trying to think of a right word.
They just say here, um, there'sonly a few times I've seen you
get frustrated, and it's usuallybecause someone has not put
(23:41):
work in right, right, yeah, yeah, and maybe you're trying to
float it like they have.
Right, I can think of no one.
I'm not thinking of anyone inparticular, genuinely, I just
think you know, when someone'stelling you something, you
expect them to actually havethought through it, to have
planned it out, and so yourexpectations are right, but you
(24:05):
don't micromanage and so, hey,if, if you're sharing this, if
we're going to move forward, why, why are we doing that?
Like you, you want to havethose questions answered.
Um, which has helped me,because I'm kind of a weird
floater in between of, like, Ilike to see where I want to go
and I also want to plan it out,but there are probably some
areas I've not thought of hereand there, but I still do think
(24:25):
it out, so that's helped shapeme in ways I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I appreciate that.
Yeah, I try not to be amicromanager until I have to be,
and that's when you know, Ijust set high expectations, yeah
, and I expect people to dotheir jobs, yeah, and so when I
get frustrated, it's whensomebody is not doing what they
said they were going to do orget something done.
And so my other problem, though,is I'm a protector.
I'm also somebody who is aproblem solver, so I think I can
(24:51):
come alongside people whoaren't performing and help them
get where they want to be.
So our need to be so that thosedon't always compliment one
another.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I don't think I see, I wanted to make this fun and I
feel like this is all like, uh,it's all sappy stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So, um, you have a, you have a, a sense of humor
that I didn't see at first.
Okay, and that that isn't.
That isn't overtly obvious inyour life.
You, just you, you get a greatsense of humor, um, but you
laugh at things that I'mthinking I never would expect a,
a Trent, to laugh at that.
That's not a negative.
There's not dirty things, it'snot unsightly things, it's just
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you're laughing at things.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm like Well, am I okay?
So I'm trying to think of anexample of that.
You know that in pastoralministry you laugh at things
that aren't funny.
Sometimes you have to Becauseyou appreciate the person
sharing something that theyreally think is funny.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
what I'm laughing at, or is it like am I actually
laughing?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
No, you're, you're actually laughing at stuff that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, okay, uh, so isthere like a um who's most
likely to that'd be a fun gameto play.
Okay, okay, let's see if we cando that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
um, you have another question of mine, this is like a
wedding thing, don't?
They do this and you a?
Who is most likely?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
to Game.
This is thrilling radio.
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Here we go.
All right, here we go.
This is the AI episode.
Pastors, you use ai only onfunny things, for podcasts.
Uh oh, this is all aboutpodcasting, though I don't want
to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Two friends, here we go all right.
Who is most?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
likely to laugh so hard they cry.
I don't know.
What do you think?
Probably you.
I don't know.
You gotta cry.
I just want to watch show youthat?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
yeah, but it's pretty rare.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I mean it's pretty rare I cry when you get me you
get me belly laughing.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's.
Yeah, I'm emotional, you're.
It's pretty rare I cry way toomuch.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You get me belly laughing.
I'm emotional, you're a crier.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm an emotional person.
I'm emotional.
You're more emotional than I am.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Dude I had the most simple thing that the doctor
said about something thismorning.
You got teared up and I gotteared up and it was like
nothing.
It was literally fine.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I did fine until I started talking about your
mission goals and how you wouldaccomplish them.
And I made the mistake oflooking at you and I'm like oh,
and I choked me up because youwere, you were you were down
there crying like a girl.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
No, you weren't, you were just you're.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Hey, girls are great, bob, and we love them but we
love them.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But I am a man, okay.
So they played a video.
I didn't know they were goingto play a video.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, we got you on that one that got me.
Yeah, that was a good video,that really got me and then that
helped me.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
When I preached, I kind of looked at my notes just
to not look up.
If I looked up, I thought I wasgoing to cry.
So who's most likely to spill adrink on themselves?
You, yeah, that's definitelytrue.
Who is most likely to believe aridiculous conspiracy theory?
You no, I just think you are aconspiracy theorist.
(28:30):
No see, you say them thepodcast like I actually am you
are.
Can I just be honest with you?
I don't know that there's anyconspiracy theory I actually buy
into.
I just think they're fun toshare.
Yeah, there's any conspiracytheory I actually buy into.
I just think they're fun toshare.
Yeah, yeah, I think I don'teven look into them, I just yeah
.
I've got friends that havepodcasts that talk about.
I'm skeptical about everything,so I'm so here's the deal.
So many big conspiracy theoriesrequire so many people to lie,
(28:52):
um, and all be on the same pagein a lie, and I don't believe
people are that good at lyingand keeping a secret or what
have you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They're good at lying .
I don't think they're good atkeeping secrets.
That's what I meant to say.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
So I don't think you can have that many people all
colluding to make one big secretconspiracy, so I think most of
them are ludicrous.
All right, who is most likelyto sing karaoke completely off
key?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Are you a good singer ?
I'm not a good singer.
I can, I can hold a tune, butI'm not.
I'm not a good singer.
What about you?
You're a drummer, Can?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
you sing?
No, I've tried to drum and singand that's really hard.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, I can't imagine that.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Um, what's a go-to karaoke song?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
We did that before, have we?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
What was it?
I think I did Don't StopBelieving by Journey, if I
remember right.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Okay, I did All.
Star by.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Smash Mouth.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
That's the only one you know, yeah, yeah, who is
most likely to get distracted bya squirrel?
You Most definitely.
Let's see who is most likely toaccidentally send a text to the
wrong person.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Me probably, yeah it's not me, although I send
like two texts every month.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Who gets more frustrated with group texts?
Me 100% yeah yeah, I'm tryingto think of quirks, about each
other.
You don't like group texts.
I don't like texts in general.
I dislike them with a passion.
Would you rather people textyou or call you?
Call me, it depends on what itis.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
It depends on what it is, but I'd much rather talk to
somebody than text back andforth.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
All right, this is not a bad personality quirk, as
long as it's a short phone call.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Um, I'm for that.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Um, this is not a bad personality quirk.
When people come and knock onyour door and they're trying to
sell something, do you answerthe door Typically, no, yeah,
neither do I.
We like to talk to people, butnot that much.
Okay, who's most likely to getlocked out of their own place?
You, yeah, I'll lose my key.
(30:55):
You've lost your key so manytimes.
Let's see.
Lost your key so many times.
Uh, let's see, um, who?
Who is most likely to be stillin their pajamas at noon on a
weekend?
Neither one of us, neither one.
I.
If I don't get out of the houseon any day, any given day, I
(31:16):
will go so crazy yeah, that'sneither one of us.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Neither one one of us is going to be no.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
My wife will look at me, so if we have family and
we're just wanting to hangaround, she knows I've got to
just accomplish something in aday.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And if I?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
don't, I won't sleep that night.
I'll just be like there's somuch I need to get done today,
and so she'll just stare at meand be like, hey, can for you or
something.
All right, who's most likely tohit the snooze button?
You're already awake beforeyour alarm goes off.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah, but you're not.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I wake up early.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah so.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm not.
Who is most likely to freak outwhere they put their keys?
Who is most likely to have somestrange collection of things?
Do you collect anything?
Not really, I don't collectanything.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I don't really, but I would lean towards me than you,
being more nostalgic probably.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, I'm not super sentimental, I'm emotional, not
sentimental, so I don't hold onto things for a long time.
Do you like?
Click baseball cards or?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, no, okay, who's most likely to talk to their pet
like it's a human?
You, really, I don't have a pet.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
My wife has a cat, but I don't talk to it like it's
a human.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I'm offended, no, I'm kidding.
Who is most likely to be apicky eater Me?
Yeah, I think so.
Who is most likely to be apicky eater Me?
Yeah, I think so.
I like what I like on mosteverything.
I've kind of found what I like,but I'm always down to try
something new.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, once Once.
I'm not a picky eater, but I'ma particular eater.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Have you had escargot ?
Yes, so you've tried things.
Sure, I try stuff.
Yeah, so you've tried things.
Sure, I try stuff.
Who is most likely?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
to stay up late reading a book.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
You don't stay up late but neither do I.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I like staying up late.
It's just not a good patternfor me because I get up so early
.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
See, I don't like staying up late.
I actually don't like it.
So if I don't have anything todo, I want to go to bed.
What time is bedtime typically,me?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, this is fun.
This is maybe wasting people'stime.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
10, 30, 11 o'clock somewhere in there.
Yeah same, he's must like anearly bird.
Okay, let's see here.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
So, while you're looking these up, we've worked
well together for these eightyears.
In my estimation, yeah, yeah,yeah, Um.
So what?
What do you think about?
Our relationship helped us to beable to collaborate well
together, to work well.
I mean, we've complimented eachother back and forth and that's
not what we're after, but butthere is a sense where I mean,
you've worked on ministerialstaffs with other folks before,
(33:55):
you've worked on this staff and,and there's personalities that
you know everybody strives toget along, Everybody strives to
work together, but you don'tnecessarily, um excuse me thrive
in those Um, but we've beenblessed at our staff recently
that, um, we all are on the samepage and kind of working
together, Um, but we've we'veworked.
I think we've worked welltogether in the time that you've
(34:15):
been with us, Um and I, and Ithink it's because we both we're
both passionate, we're bothdriven pretty well, type A
personality, so that goes welltogether.
But I can work well with otherpeople that aren't those things
as well.
We have a commonality in apassion of preaching
(34:37):
expositional preaching.
We have a passion in study, sothose are things that I think we
hold in common.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
You know that I like to pursue some goal, that I've.
You know I get passionate aboutsomething camp or a trip or
some ministry thing and I thinkyou've kind of said, well,
pursue it Right.
And I think that has blessed me, uh, in a lot of ways where, um
, I've been free to fail, um,I've been, and I I really do
(35:11):
appreciate that.
And um, you know, I thinkyou've supported different
ministry ventures.
I think you've you've prayedfor me.
I don't know what do you thinkAccompany each other, Because we
both are very similar andsometimes that doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
You're quieter than I am, so I come in your office
more than you come in my office.
Sure, sure, and I'm not averbal affirmer that has been
really tough for me.
Try being married to me for 30some odd years.
Yeah, and it's my wife, andit's something I always I strive
to work on, but I was just notsomething I excelled at.
I've had to learn.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I've had to learn to see what you appreciate, yeah,
rather than to hear you say goodjob, that's fair, that's a
hundred percent fair, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, whatever, that's a hundred percent fair.
Yeah, yeah, and I and I try toget better at saying hey, good
job, well done.
Yeah, appreciated that, I've,I've.
I strive to get better at that,but it's not because I don't
appreciate people, it just goesback to you had a job to do, you
did it, okay, let's move on,kind of thing.
Um, but I, I do.
I think people sense.
Uh, if you're around me longenough, you sense when I'm
(36:19):
pleased and when I'm not, youknow.
So I don't, I don't hide thatvery well.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Honestly though you know you could see that as a uh,
not a strength in you, but itis, I think, made me stronger.
And then I'm not just strivingfor affirmation, um, because you
know so much of ministry is,especially as a pastor, it's
public, and so you oftentimesjust are relying on, you can,
(36:46):
unfortunately, rely on howpeople perceive what you're
doing, um, whether people likeit or don't like it, and so you
can live for people's praise andyou don't praise a ton.
I mean, you praise the Lord aton, but you don't praise people
.
That's just not who.
You are Right, and so that'shelped me Verbally anyway, I'm
just not yeah, yeah butgenuinely.
that's helped me not receivingit all the time.
(37:08):
I've learned what youappreciate without relying on
just being praised or whatever.
That's helped me, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
We've worked well together because you mentioned
that you kind of dream and thenyou pursue something, but you
never do it without coming to mefirst and saying, hey, pastor,
this is what I'm thinking about.
Think through this with me,what do you think?
And so you get me on the frontend of it and I can catch the
vision for it, and then I canfeel freedom to turn you loose,
to go okay, go for it.
(37:36):
Or I'm sure there's somewherealong the way that I said maybe
now's not the best time topursue that, right, um, but most
of the time it is.
Here's why I want to dosomething, here's the goal,
here's what we're trying toaccomplish, and and I love to
surround my people, myself, withpeople who are like that, and
then I can trust them to go getit done, um.
And so we've worked welltogether because you've earned
(37:57):
the freedom, and I've been ableto give you that freedom, to go
do things.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, and I like the work right.
So, like, I like the process ofsaying like hey, look at how
it's going.
Hey, this is what we're doing.
Um, I enjoy that.
I enjoy sharing about thatministry.
Yeah, yeah, Any other thoughts?
I don't know how to fill thistime.
I feel like I feel like a lotof our relationship is just in.
(38:21):
I think it's fun as we go, andso when you sit down and just
talk about it, I don't know muchmore to say oh goodness, Any
really just memories, whateverthey are, that are just like hey
, this sticks out in the lasteight years I've always liked
(38:43):
going to SBC.
I think that's fun.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, we enjoy doing that together.
Darlene and I enjoyed our tripto Knoxville with you and Jess
not terribly long ago.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
That was fun.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Because we just got to hang out.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It wasn't ministry related.
Went to the pizza place.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I mean we were looking at the, the church plant
and all those things, so wewere doing business, but for the
most part it was just usgetting to hang out and do
things.
So, um, yeah, that there's justpoints along the way.
That's just been consistent andthat's my love.
Language is just consistency.
So so, um, yeah, just aconsistent character, consistent
(39:21):
um work ethic, um, consistentproclamation.
I've, I've enjoyed watching youcraft, learn your craft or
develop your craft of preaching.
You were a good preacher whenyou got here, but I think you're
a better preacher as you leavehere, because you've you've
intentionally worked at that andand you've had plenty of
opportunities, not just onSunday mornings.
But I think you're a betterpreacher as you leave here,
(39:42):
because you've you'veintentionally worked at that and
and you've had plenty ofopportunities, not just on
Sunday mornings, but with ourstudent ministry, their young
adult ministry, and so for me towatch that and for you to try
different things and workthrough just your style, um,
that's encouraging to me.
Um has been, um, besides thefact that it's great for me to
just sit down and listen to goodpreaching on Sunday, so I can
take a break from doing thatmyself and just listen to and
(40:04):
know that I'm going to be fedthrough God's word, through you.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Some good memories, you know.
You, let me run on Thrive Camp.
You let me kind of just pursuethis goal that I had of like,
hey, let's do a camp camp.
You let me kind of just pursuethis goal that I had of like,
hey, let's, let's do a camp.
(40:28):
Uh and um, and you trusted meenough to get me through one
year where we lost quite a bitof money to now where we're
doing to now, where we're doingreal well, uh and uh, and so
that's a highlight for me isjust your support of that
ministry, your support of ThriveCamp, your support of me, your
prayer for me, your care for me,you pointing out some different
(40:48):
things even in my ownpersonality, that I need to work
on, my leadership, that I needto work on all of which was hard
to initially hear, but veryhelpful over the long term.
You know, trusting the Lord'sleading and my leadership in
Redeemer City and then sharingthat with the church two years
ago.
You know, one of the firstthings that I remember is just
(41:14):
kind of getting to know the kindof care that you would have as
a pastor for me was long storyshort.
When we needed some help at thevery beginning of moving here,
you saw to it and, without goinginto all the details there, we
still so appreciate that.
And April of 2018, thattransition, the way you handled
(41:39):
that was.
I so appreciate it.
I made a mark.
So thank you for all the yearsthat I've gotten to sit under
your preaching and, uh, for thefriendship along the way.
It's been fun.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
It has been fun.
I'm looking forward to what thenext chapter is going to be.
So I'm really I could not bemore excited to send Redeemer
City out.
I couldn't be more proud thatyou're the one that's going to
lead that and, um, and morecomfortable that you're the one
that's going to do that.
So, um, I look forward to whatthe next chapter is going to be.
It's going to it's going tofeel a little bit different, you
know, be distance, differentrelationship.
(42:09):
But, uh, I really look forward.
Other, yeah, we'll see at theSBC, yeah, and other conferences
probably, and we're going totry to figure out how to maybe
continue the podcast from twodifferent locations.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
That'll be fun and we'll stop being sappy with each
other.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Then yeah, I will miss you popping in my office,
your head poking around thecorner of my office door saying
sorry, sorry, sorry, you got asecond.
Sorry, there it is.
I will miss that.
There it is.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
There it is well, you're, you're, you know you're
a little more introverted person.
So I I've got to talk,sometimes I've got to.
I like to grind, but I've gotto take breaks, just like we all
do, and my breaks usuallyinvolve wanting to tell you
about something, sure?
So I've enjoyed it, brotherwell, cool, all right,
appreciate it.
Thanks for listening theepisode.
We'll have more like this inthe future.
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