October 7, 2025 • 36 mins
Ever feel like your mind is carrying too many voices at once? We dig into the hard truth that our brains were never designed to know what everyone thinks about everything—and how that overload quietly erodes calm, focus, and self-worth. With our guest, Trisha McQueen, we share vulnerable stories about parenting against the grain, protecting children’s innocence in a culture of constant exposure, and building simple rituals that make presence the norm again: stacked phones at dinner, gentler media, and real conversation that restores connection.
From there, we shift into the science of why certain habits help some of us and hijack others. Trisha opens up about late-discovered ADHD traits, years on antidepressants, and the relief of finally understanding her GABA patterns—why sleep felt slippery and focus scattered—then using targeted supports to turn creativity into momentum for her bakery. I break down my own dopamine spikes and crashes and how that biology shaped a launch-crash business cycle. Using the Brain DNA test, we map three crucial steps—production, utilization, and disposal of neurotransmitters like dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, oxytocin, and GABA—and translate them into practical choices: steadier training over extreme trends, personalized nutrition, and evening routines that actually stick.
If you’ve wondered how to choose boundaries without guilt, make social media smaller, or match your mental health tools to the way your brain is built, this conversation is your blueprint. You’ll walk away with a kinder plan for your nervous system, fresh resolve to defend young minds from heavy inputs, and a grounded way to replace guesswork with genetics.
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Note: This podcast episode is sponsored by Dr. Rewire's Brain DNA test. Learn more at Unshakeablebrain.ai. If you're a practitioner and you're interested in adding this at-home lab test to your toolkit, go to Unshakeablebrain.ai/expert.
I, Dr. Kylie, no longer work with clients in any endeavor. If you'd like more support for your health, I recommend working with the physicians at the EllieMD telemedicine platform. To get started, go to https://elliemd.com/?bp=drkylie. For health and wellness experts looking to provide this resource to your clients, get started at https://elliemd.com/join-us/?bp=drkylie.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:02):
Have you ever thought about what you are
intended to know?
We've been trained, conditionedto believe that we can know, and
it was on purpose that we areintended to know everybody's
thoughts and opinions.
Have you ever sat back andactually considered what that
(00:26):
truly means?
Were we intended to know whateverybody wants to say?
Because people are so willing totext just about anything, no
matter who the other person isthat's receiving it.
I feel like Taylor Swift saidthis in a very good way.
(00:46):
Think about your energy asexpensive.
If it's not worth giving yourenergy into, don't do it.
Welcome to Unshakable Brain.
I am your host, Dr.
Kylie, and my mission is simple: to help you grow a brain that's (00:59):
undefined
stronger, sharper, andunshakable in every part of your
life.
Each week we explore thescience, stories, and strategies
to make that happen.
This episode is brought to youby Dr.
Rewire's Brain DNA test.
Find out more atunshakablebrain.ai.
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Let's dive in.
I have my lovely and good friendTrisha McQueen with me today.
Trisha is a mom of two and a newgrandma.
When was she born?
June 13th.
June 13th.
So a couple months old now, andshe's learning the life of
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grandmotherhood.
But we were talking before wehit record, and Trisha shared
some stories with me about herlife growing up.
And as I've been creating thispodcast and recording these
episodes, I feel like we're notjust on a mission to help our
own brains, but to helpeverybody's brains, no matter
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their age, but to also give youa platform to go against the
grain.
Because as moms, we have to dothings that go against the grain
in order to create unshakablebrains and not just ourselves,
but our kids and our posterityafter that and those around us.
And so, Trisha, would you liketo share how your dad helped you
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create an unshakable brain veryearly on?
SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
Yeah, I'd love to.
I was you were when you werespeaking right then, I just had
this thought that that as a mom,we have to get uncomfortable to
protect our children.
Like we have to be willing to beuncomfortable.
And I don't know, it just cameto my mind when you were
speaking, like, yeah, that'sreally what we do.
SPEAKER_03 (02:47):
Not just uncomfortable, but you have to
be willing to be the bad guy.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (02:52):
Stand up to people.
They're gonna say, Well, myfriends all have it, my friends
all do this.
It's like, okay, well, that'stheir decision.
But for us and our family, thisis our decision.
SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
Yeah, wouldn't it be cool if more parents, it was
like all the parents were sayingno.
So that was the thing that wasnormal.
That would be great.
Let's get that movement going.
So my dad, he really wanted tohelp his children stay innocent.
Like he just he couldn't standthe thought.
He was very tender-hearted, andhe couldn't stand the thought of
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like hurting our children.
And some of it like is a littleodd.
I think the example I gave isthat when my grandmother died,
he he didn't want us to go tofunerals.
He didn't want us to go to anyfunerals.
In fact, I never remember goingto a funeral with him ever, even
one time.
Although, of course, there's famfamily members that passed away.
But when his mom died, he justhad a very quiet graveside
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service and didn't allow us togo.
Even though we were like youngadults, he just couldn't stand
the thought of his childrenbeing subjected to that.
In hindsight, like now, as I'molder, I understand he was just
really trying to protect us fromthe darkness and the sadness of
it.
And in fact, I remember that Iguess we were at a cemetery for
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something, a funeral, agraveside service, a funeral.
I don't even know why, because Iwas little.
I want to say, like I wasprobably seven or eight years
old.
And it it was my one and onlytime I ever remember being at a
cemetery with my father.
And I remember that I waslooking around and I was like,
there's flowers everywhere.
Like, you know how cemetery, youknow, people, you know, they
(04:31):
cherish their loved ones andthey honor them by leaving
flowers.
And there were flowerseverywhere.
And and I remember I said, Whereare we?
And my dad instantly, before mymom could say a word, he said,
This is where the Easter bunnylives because it was so bright
and happy and flowerseverywhere.
Rather than tell us, like, oh,this is where your grandma who
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died lives, or this is like hejust couldn't stand the thought
of us being subjected.
So I just thought that wasreally, really sweet.
How in hindsight, looking backin the moment, I didn't think
anything of it, but now I'mlike, he was totally trying to
just protect our innocence,protect us from having to cope
with something dark and happy ata young age.
(05:15):
It's kind of cool.
SPEAKER_03 (05:16):
Yeah.
So if you're a mom out therewondering how you can protect
your kids, even if it soundsweird or quirky, you have my
permission to do it.
We are on a movement together tonot just create unshakable
brains for us, but for our kidsand for everybody around us.
And that means that we have totake a stand.
SPEAKER_01 (05:37):
Um do the hard, have the hard conversations or do the
hard things, like the hard line.
My daughter came home the othernight.
She and her boyfriend went to amovie, and and I hate horror
movies, so she started tellingme about this.
I'm like, I don't want to knowabout a horror movie.
But she said, No, I'm gonna tellyou what happened.
(05:58):
So she and her boyfriend went toa horror movie, and she said
that as they were going in,there was a family going into
the movie with little children.
She was mom little, like maybelike three and five, like little
children.
And she said, and I thought, no,they won't let them come in here
because this is like rated R.
It's very dark, it's veryviolent, it's very, she goes,
(06:20):
There's profanity, there waskilling, there was scary, you
know.
And and she said, I thought, noway are the movie people gonna
allow them in.
She goes, nobody stopped them,nobody said a word.
And she said, and you know, likewatching, like I kind of she
goes, I'm jumping and I'mhiding, and it was scary.
And she goes, they weren't likereacting, like they were numb to
(06:40):
it.
And she said, I just thought,there's no way these parents are
gonna let them.
And she goes, sure enough, notthat they just it's like the
parents wanted to go to themovie, so okay, the kids are
going with us.
And she was just saying thatshe's she was thinking to
herself, and she told herboyfriend, my parents would
never have let me.
And he said the same thing, hisparents would never have let him
either.
And it's interesting how likeshe brought up a couple things
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that one, why would theseparents allow their children to
be subjected to that?
That's so harmful to them, theydon't know how to process it.
Like we know when people seethings on the screen, like at
that young age, they to themit's real.
So how terrifying.
But secondly, that they weren'treacting to something so
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horrific, like they were immuneto it.
Like, what?
That's just there's so manywrong things on that whole
experience.
I don't know.
I was sheep shocked, but I lovethat she came home and talked to
me about it because to me, sherecognized like the importance
of uh saving or protecting thoseyoung, innocent brains, even
(07:46):
though that she had no relationsto these children.
She was like, I really want toget up and say something like,
you know, your kids are reallytoo young to be here.
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
So it was kind of cool that she shared that, but
crazy parent, let them go.
SPEAKER_03 (07:59):
Yeah.
As I think about your I hatehorror movies too.
I never want anything to do withthem.
I cringe when there's a30-second commercial on.
I will mute it, change thechannel as soon as as soon as I
can.
I just don't want that in mybrain, and I don't want that in
anybody's brains who was insidethe room.
(08:21):
So, like I've even said, Easton,close your eyes.
Like, if I can't get to theremote fast enough to change it,
we just have to like we have totake those those stances.
So, as we began this episode, wetalked about how when we're on
social media, when we're onYouTube, when we're on whatever
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it is that where people areallowed to comment and to post
their own things and voice theiropinion or their experiences and
their thoughts, and oftentimesthey're more willing to do
something behind a screen thanthey ever would in person.
Yeah, did God intend for us toknow everybody's thoughts and
(09:09):
opinions?
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
Yeah, I really don't believe so.
SPEAKER_03 (09:13):
I don't either, and yet they're everywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
I think that it it's like it has led to such a great
what's an epidemic ofdepression, and you see the
suicide rate skyrocketing, andyou see just this overall uh you
know bad self-worth and badself-esteem.
And and and I think we're notI'm not supposed to know what
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you think about me.
Like, I don't need to know whateverybody thinks about me.
In fact, I shouldn't.
It's not good for us to like itdoesn't it doesn't help in any
way to know someone's negativethoughts about you or ever.
And that's social media hastaken that away in a really bad
situation.
(10:00):
I just I think that's why we seeso many young, uh young, I say
kids, but like tweens, teens,and they really are struggling
because uh people are horrible,like you said, behind the
screen, they'll say awfulthings.
SPEAKER_03 (10:16):
Yeah, so we were never intended to know
everybody's thoughts andopinions.
That said, we do have to createboundaries and barriers to not
hear.
You know, I remember I posted avideo one time with about work,
and I I've said for years, likeif I didn't own a business, I
wouldn't be on social media, andin fact, I'm running out of that
(10:37):
excuse now.
It's like I don't need to be onsocial media, even if I'm
running a business.
I was I was 38 weeks pregnant,and I held this the camera up.
You know, I'm doing a selfievideo, and I held the camera up
so you couldn't see my stomach.
And when I'm pregnant, nobodyknows unless you can see my
(10:59):
stomach, right?
There was this comment that Isaw that said I needed a
rhinoplasty, and I'm like, ifonly you knew how pregnant I
was, you darn white, right fool.
Like, no, nobody worth dumpingenergy into to begin with, and
yet he felt like he needed todump energy into and it was so
(11:25):
bizarre and awful, but yearslater it's still in my mind.
Like that's the kind of impactthat it's having on our brains,
that's the kind of impact it'shaving on our enjoyment with
life, and we think, oh, socialmedia brings great joy, and
maybe it did when it started.
Maybe the ability to communicateand connect with people was
(11:47):
great when it started, but lookwhere it's gotten us.
SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
Yeah, I think it's very interesting how we curate
curate our social mediaexperience by you know what we
see, what we view.
My daughter and I have verydifferent like political views.
What she sees is so differentthan what I see.
But I had this thought, likewhat you you're totally right.
It does stay with you, it doesimpact you.
(12:12):
And the positive doesn't staywith us the same way, like the
negative stays with us forever.
But this thought just came tome, and I'm like, that's an
interesting thought.
Is that let's just call this guya bully, for lack of a better
word.
I mean, he's a bully.
And we see these internetbullies, social media bullies.
But what I have this thoughtabout is how one, we already
agreed upon this and noticedthat they don't say it in
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person, right?
They wouldn't go up to you atthe grocery store and say,
girlfriend, you need a nose job.
They're not gonna say that toyou, right?
But they do it, they like hidebehind the screens and they do
it online.
But the thought just came to me,what is that doing to their
psyche?
Like that's such a negativespiral down that they're seeking
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out opportunities to tear peopledown.
I mean, we all know, right?
When we give compliments and wegive away that light, it makes
us lighter, right?
Does the same happen to them?
Like they they're dark, so itbrings it darker.
I mean, is that see what I mean?
Like it's this trap and howthere's so many, it's like an
what's it say, like an octopus?
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There's so many different littlearms to it, and like it tears
you down, it tears themselvesdown, it you know, but it makes
them feel stronger or powerful,so they do it more.
SPEAKER_03 (13:25):
Like, what I was thinking, hurt people, hurt
people.
And if they're willing to hurtother people, how much are they
hurting themselves?
But they're projecting it allover.
That doesn't mean that I need tobe the reciprocate of it.
That means that I can put thatbarrier and I can say, you know
what?
If I don't want my kids onsocial media, why am I on social
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media?
If I don't want my kids onYouTube, why am I on YouTube?
It's one of the reasons why Istarted this podcast is because
I want to get off of thoseplatforms.
And two, with the AI, you don'teven know what's real and what's
not real.
But a podcast episode, I knowyou can create AI voices, I know
that that exists, but that'sstill not real.
(14:09):
You're not gonna get peoplepracticing stories.
You know, you're not gonna begetting the real person and
explaining to them what'shappening in their life.
Like with previous podcasts I'verecorded, I would get on a
client call and they'd be like,How's your son doing?
Is he sleeping yet?
I'm like, How the heck do youknow that my son's not sleeping?
Oh, yeah, the podcast.
It's funny.
(14:31):
I'm real and I want to share myreal experiences and have the
guests be real.
So in this AI dominant spacewhere AI can create any image,
any look alike, any headline canbe a false headline.
Finding a platform that allowspeople to be real and to feel
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heard and to feel safe whilewe're at it, and to know that
you know what, we're not theonly one struggling, or you're
not the only one struggling.
We're here to create thismovement and we're here to be on
this mission, to create anunshakable brain, no matter how
old you are.
If you're two, like I I feel sobad for those little kids.
What are they gonna be like inadult life where they're just so
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immune to the evil in a rated Rshow?
I've never seen a rated R show,period.
I don't need to, I don't needto.
Rated R shows were like likenowadays to become rated R,
that's that's pretty bad.
SPEAKER_01 (15:29):
I I heard someone say, well, PG 13s only have one
F-word, so that's not so bad.
I'm like, when did we decideone?
One's okay, one's fine.
Like, when did we decide thatlike we're gonna suddenly like
let levels of yuckiness into ourbrains?
Oh, it's just a little bityucky, it's fine.
Like, I'm just gonna go to thebody.
SPEAKER_03 (15:52):
It made the classification.
Yeah, they wasn't evennecessary, they could have
allated it.
SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
Totally not necessary.
I know craziness, like justlet's get this movement going.
Like, let's have it be thatwe're we're proactive and
protecting our children'sbrains.
Like, I'm speaking up more thanI ever have.
I've attributed it to the factthat I'm 52, but you know, maybe
it's just because I've learnedenough to realize that if we
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don't all speak up and speak outand protect, you know, what's
important, then it's just gonnakeep getting darker and yuckier.
So maybe we do thatuncomfortable thing and work to
start to protect our own circleand then let that circle get a
little bit bigger, right?
Like I volunteer, I serve atchurch with the children.
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So I have that influence.
I don't have my children aren'tyoung anymore, but I do have
that influence to bring light tothem, you know, and help them
see that and discourage thenegativity and discourage the
dark.
Thinking of this, by the way, Irealized I I work with the
children that are age like 18months to 11.
I haven't seen one of thosechildren with a cell phone.
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So we've got some parents doingthings right.
I just realized I haven't seenany of those nine, 10,
11-year-olds with a cell phone.
I'm so happy to say that.
I just realized that's prettycool.
SPEAKER_03 (17:15):
My husband works with the young men, and that is
not the case.
He gets so frustrated becausethey don't participate in class,
they're just on their phones.
And I feel like uh they've hadto do with moments where they
take like you turn on your phoneat the at the door.
Even if it's like you have abasket on the table and the
phones get turned into thebasket as you eat dinner.
SPEAKER_01 (17:37):
Have you heard of the thing where where friends go
out to dinner together, and youknow how people still are
getting their phone out, they'rewhatever.
They put they stack the phonesin the middle.
Have you heard of this?
Friends do it, they're the firstones that did it with us, and
we're like, this is great.
You stack the phones in themiddle of the table restaurant.
The first person that touchedtheir phone buys dinner for
everyone.
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You don't touch that phone.
You're like, Oh, there's eightof us here.
We're not touching that phone.
Like, it's so good because thenyou're just talking to each
other, it's so much better.
SPEAKER_03 (18:08):
Yeah, communicating in real life, like how it's
supposed to be.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
You mentioned how they're always on their phone,
and it's this is a little bit ofa like offshoot, but did you see
you can edit this out, whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
But did you see the Charlie Kirk quote about his
physical Bible?
SPEAKER_03 (18:28):
Have you seen that one?
I have I've seen it, I don'tremember it.
He said there's like fivereasons why you need to have a
physical Bible.
SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Yep, and they were so good.
And he's like, Look, digitalBibles, like great, you're out
and about somewhere.
He goes, but one, every time youopen your it's not just a Bible,
he's like, it's your music, it'syour computer, right?
And he goes, So you'redistracted about it because you
don't just read your Bible.
But he talked about some of thethings about the weight, the
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physical weight of the book.
He talked about how it becomesfamiliar, like you put your
notes and stuff.
And I was thinking about atchurch, these kids often use
their phone for theirscriptures.
Oh, I'm just gonna read it on myphone.
But I don't know, reading thatquote, I was like, gosh, that's
true, because I'm a physicalperson.
Like, I want my physicalscriptures, and I'm one of the
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only adults in like Sundayschool that has my physical
scriptures.
I just love them.
And I was like, Oh, that's why,because these are very much a
part of me.
But like the phone pulls us awayin so many different areas, like
even little things like that.
I don't even just read myscriptures anymore.
I don't read my Bible anymore.
Instead, I'm distracted.
I'm trying to read my Bible, andthen it's like my cell phone, I
get a text, I get it, and thenthat's just pulling you away.
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I don't know.
That's a little interesting sidenote there.
Yeah, distractions.
Yo, distractions.
SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
All right, Theresa.
Let's talk a little bit aboutyour experience with your brain
and your wellness, and then tellus a little bit about when you
took the brand DNA test and whatit discovered for you.
SPEAKER_02 (20:01):
So I whatever you'd like to share.
It's your stage.
SPEAKER_01 (20:07):
Well, so there's a couple things going on.
First off, my brain is alwaysgoing a million miles a minute,
and it's scattered all over theplace.
Interestingly enough, like Igrew up in an era we didn't
diagnose, so ADHD, I had noidea.
As an adult, I finally went andgot the diagnosis.
Still, you know, it doesn'tchange me, it doesn't change
(20:29):
anything.
I learned how to cope, whichmaybe is to our detriment that
we give a diagnosis and then wegive a pill and instead of
helping people learn to adaptand work with their brain and
the strengths and that, like,for example, if I had to study,
I couldn't just read, I didn'tretain it.
But if I listen to music, likeclassical music, then I retained
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it.
Like that's it was a good copingthing.
But anyway, I noticed that likeI had been on antidepressants
like 10 years.
I'm really kind of a cheerfulperson.
I think I was more like tiredand like discouraged, but no
doctor encouraged me to look atwhy or how to wean off of it.
(21:15):
Or and I just realized I don'twant to take pills that I don't,
I don't want that to be, it's alifelong band-aid.
Like it doesn't, I just didn'twant to do it anymore.
The brain DNA test, it helped meto see where my brain was weak
and where it was strong.
It helped me to see one of thethings that I liked is that it
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helped me to realize that mybrain was not like broken
because I do things differently.
It was more like use it to myadvantage.
What I one of the things Irealized is that I needed
creativity to thrive.
Like that was that's who I am,and it's that's who I am.
(21:57):
Like quit trying to fightagainst it.
I've always been in an officejob, and I realized of course
I'm not like thriving in anoffice job because I have this
creative brain.
And so actually, you know, Dr.
Kylie kind of pushed me off thecliff, and I'm finally doing
something and working towards acareer that I'm excited about
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every single day.
SPEAKER_03 (22:23):
She gets to create every single day, and this is
something that AI cannotreplace.
And if I lived next to her, Iwould weigh 100 pounds heavier.
Or as I said to her the otherday, I would definitely have to
increase my exercise routinebecause her cookies, her
cinnamon rolls, her cupcakes areabsolutely the best on the
(22:45):
planet.
And I'm not even kidding.
I've had all of the Utahcinnamon rolls, and then she
brought them over to my houseone time.
And Andrew and I don't even eatsweets, like I can have a bite
and then be done.
No, we ate all 12 of thesecinnamon rolls over the course
of a week, and they're thatgood.
So she's now utilizing hercreativity, her skills, and it's
(23:09):
boosting her brain.
So I want to ask you as alistener, like, what are you
trying to force yourself intorather than working with your
brain and how it works, and thenautomatically seeing more
enjoyment and more fulfillment?
One of the recent aha moments Ihad after taking my own brain
(23:31):
DNA test and sitting in it forthe last few months, I create
dopamine in a rush.
My dopamine hits my system andit goes skies skyrockets really
high, and then it goes and itjust crashes really quickly.
Well, that meant that I wouldfeel good for a minute and maybe
(23:53):
five, maybe an hour if I'mlucky, and then I'm back to
being in that same space becausemy DNA creates dopamine fast and
then releases it fast.
So it excretes out of out of theout of my body.
Well, I have been thinking aboutthat.
(24:14):
Like, wait a second, my nervoussystem is used to this big
launch and then a crash, andthen a big launch and then a
crash.
So, guess what my business modelwas?
My business model was livelaunching this big dopamine rush
and a crash, and this bigdopamine rush and a crash.
And I look back now, and Andrewwould, Andrew, my husband, would
(24:37):
he be like, I just want a steadywife.
Why can't I have a steady wife?
And I thought, what do you meanI'm I am too steady?
You know, I'm gonna be defiantin the moment.
But I look back and I think,wow, my nervous system, because
of my DNA, because of the way myDNA is built, has been trained
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to have these really big highsand then a crash afterwards.
And so naturally, I created abusiness model that followed
what my nervous system felt safewith.
And that was revealed throughbrain DNA test.
So now that I know that, I canfocus on creating and like
dietary exercises, somesupplements to where my dopamine
(25:24):
more is more evil at even level,and which means once my nervous
system is trained to be likethat, I can now have a business
model that is more consistent,and everybody around me won't be
like, Well, is she gonna be on ahigh or a low today?
SPEAKER_01 (25:42):
There's no pathways or no job.
When you take a lab test, no, Iknow, and I was looking for the
specific because like I'm thepatient, I you've got the
education.
So this is great because thisthis brain DNA test, your
average person can read theresults and get so much.
(26:02):
You don't have to have a medicaldegree to understand it.
So actually, I was trying toremember what there was one
thing that my body doesn'tabsorb well.
I'm like, oh yeah, what is that?
And it's GABA.
Is that the right way of sayingit?
Okay, yep, GABA.
And it affects my sleep, but itis also the reason I jump from
thing to thing to thing to thingto thing to thing.
(26:23):
So I am creative, but I'm like,oh, do I want to quilt?
Do I want to garden?
Do I want to embroider?
Do I want to bake?
Do I want to bake a cake?
Do I want to cook?
Do I want to?
And I can do all those things.
And what has helped me with thisis that it's there's supplements
that help me to slow down thejump and to focus in on what do
(26:44):
I want to do?
Instead of like being impulsive,like it's taken away some of
that impulsivity.
And so that's where I'm sodialed in on building up this
bakery and catering that theother things are like they're
soft in the background.
They're not pushing me.
Like, does that make sense?
My I wake up excited andmotivated.
(27:06):
Like, what am I gonna do?
I'm I guess for the first timein my life, I am planning out
it, you know, like a 90-dayplan.
And it's sticking to this same,it's all about building the
bakery.
That's what I what I'm thinking.
I've never done this before.
I've never been excited likethis, but I know because I know
(27:26):
how my brain works, I was like,ooh, okay, I'm gonna work with
it instead of against it.
It's been cool.
SPEAKER_03 (27:32):
Yeah.
And that's what I think thebiggest thing for the brain DNA
results are, no matter who youare, is that you just understand
your brain at a deeper level.
And like you said, the resultsare understandable for
everybody.
You don't need to meet with aclinician, you don't need to
meet with a practitioner.
But when you understand how yourbrain functions and what it what
(27:53):
it's designed to do on a geneticlevel, you understand how to
work with it and not against it.
And naturally, as you saidmultiple times, you're feeling
joyous, you're feeling happier,and you're feeling like there is
a way off your medicationsbecause now you understand.
Okay, I don't produce GABA, andif I do produce it, it doesn't
(28:16):
stay in my system for very long.
And GABA is very calming.
And if you don't have the GABAin your system, you're not gonna
feel calm and sleep.
Which might be classified asanxiety, so exactly okay.
SPEAKER_01 (28:32):
The interesting thing, I feel like I really want
to make this point, is that whenI went to my primary care
physician and talked to himabout going off meds.
I mean, the thing is when youwhen you've taken an
antidepressant for years, youcan't, it's not smart to just
go, it's not good for you tojust stop it.
So you needed to be smart abouthow you do it.
I'm like, I'm gonna be smartabout it.
(28:53):
He was very opposed to me goingoff the medication.
Like, well, why would you go offit?
You're not really having anyside effects with it, like
you're and I really had to pushat him to get him to help me
wean off of the drugs, and I andI and I've reflected on that.
Like, why would he want me tostay on a medication?
(29:17):
Why would he feel like that wasthe lifelong choice was better
for me?
I I don't know, justinteresting.
What I know about reading this,like literally, it's not only
like the brain, like you needthis mineral or supplement.
What I like about the results,Kylie, is that they talk about
you do better, get somesunshine, you need some vitamin
(29:38):
D daily, you need to you know,like uh establish a nighttime
routine to help slow down.
Like they give you the practicalyou should eat more fish.
You should it gives you this soyou can build this life, this
healthy life.
You know what I mean?
Like it just gives your old girlan unshakable brain.
Yeah, there you go.
unknown (29:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Not just like hope.
Yeah, that's what I love.
It's not just take this pill,like in this case, it's take the
supplement.
Great.
That's helpful, but it's morethan that.
Take the supplement, but alsoavoid caffeine, Tricia.
Oh, also get out.
(30:23):
What?
Like that was so cool.
And then to see, to implement itand see, oh, I do feel better.
Like what?
It's so cool.
SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
Yeah.
I know one of the things for mewas one of the underlying
factors of this brain DNA testis you can determine whether
your nervous system is in asympathetic state, which is
fight or flight, or in aparasympathetic state, which is
rest and digest.
Well, I knew I was in fight orflight.
(30:54):
I I just I don't know how to notgo, go, go, go, go.
Like God says calm down, I sayhow.
I don't know how.
But I've realized like I don'tneed to when when everybody's
jumping into this into the icebaths.
And literally, when I go toconferences and there are
practitioners all around who arelike, hey, you're gonna go join
(31:15):
the ice bath tomorrow.
People will get up at sixo'clock in the morning and go
take an ice bath.
That's great.
If that's your thing, fine, gofor it.
I have taken so many ice bathsin my college athletic career, I
don't need to take another one.
But is it good for your nervoussystem?
Because if you're in asympathetic state, you should
not be doing more sympatheticactivities.
(31:35):
You should be doing more thingslike yoga and things like rest
and digest.
So maybe instead of going on a5K run, you go for a 5K walk.
SPEAKER_00 (31:45):
There you go.
SPEAKER_03 (31:46):
And you can know that based upon your brain DNA
test results.
So for me, okay, I'm in asympathetic state.
I need to do more rest anddigest stuff, and maybe a little
bit of HIT training, which is myfavorite, anyways.
So I can jump on the Peloton for20 minutes, 30 minutes max, and
I can be good.
I don't need no two-hour longexercise.
unknown (32:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (32:06):
And that's better for my nervous system.
So it's very, very helpful in alot of different ways.
SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Okay, functions better.
SPEAKER_03 (32:15):
Yeah, nutrition, your diet.
Like if you want a personalizednutrition plan, if you want a
personalized exercise plan,that's all part of the results
based upon your genetics andbased upon what your genes help
with your with yourneurotransmitters, things like
serotonin, dopamine,norepinephrine, oxytocin.
So your your ability to connectwith other people and to build
(32:38):
strong relationships.
GABA, you talked about yours wasGABA.
Mine's the dopamine.
That's what that was reallywhere mine focused on, where I
know yours are really focused onGABA.
So if you're interested in that,go to unshakablebrain.ai, and
there's all kinds ofinformation.
You can see my an example of mylab test results, but
(32:58):
unshakablebrain.ai is where youcan order your test.
And if you are a practitioner,you can join on and join this
movement with us.
All the details are right there.
So, all right, Trisha.
Finishing off here, I liked howyou said you felt like the
medication was a lifelongband-aid and you wanted off of
(33:20):
it and found your path.
I know that's gonna be similarstories for many listeners who
they feel like they've beentaking medication.
They don't really know whythey're still taking it, and
they want a different path.
So that's one of the reasons whywe're here is to offer that new
path.
And what I've found infunctional medicine is that we
(33:40):
are very good at treating thethyroid down.
Now, I would have said theshoulders down, but then I
realized wait, the thyroid's inthe middle of your neck, so we
got to go thyroid down.
We're very good at that.
But anything above your thyroid,oh, we're just gonna slap on an
SSRI if we take that, or maybewe'll take a nervous system
supplement.
Like there's never really anylab, there's never any labs done
(34:04):
for it.
If you were given an SSRI, didyour doctor test dopamine and
serotonin?
Heck no.
As we get into this podcast moreand more, you're gonna learn
that I'm huge on labs.
I am huge on regular blood work,but inside your regular blood
work, you cannot receive anyinformation about your nervous
(34:25):
system or your brain.
Isn't that ironic?
Yeah.
Hence why we've started theunshakable brain movement is
because there is a need and I amwanting to help fulfill it.
This is my mission.
SPEAKER_01 (34:41):
Wait, and I, you know, like just a thought, like
on the positive side, likeantidepressants are a godsend
for so many people, they are soimportant.
I I can't tell you how manyfriends have been saved.
Like, I for myself, even therewere a couple years of really
bad postpartum.
So I don't want to like discountthat they can be helpful, but
how about your brain DNA testwill better give you a
(35:05):
connection to the rightantidepressant?
Some of them are more effectivefor do you know what I mean?
Like there are people that aretaking antidepressants that
might not be the right one basedon their brain DNA.
Like it can we can use it as atool, like right, like couple
those together and make it moresuccessful.
I don't know.
(35:26):
Just a thought.
SPEAKER_03 (35:26):
Yeah, yeah.
One last little snippet hereabout the brain DNA test is that
it tests utilizing your DNA,your body's ability to utilize
these hormones in threedifferent ways
neurotransmitters, so serotonin,dopamine, things like that.
Your body needs to first be ableto produce it.
(35:48):
Second, it needs to be able toutilize it, and third, it needs
to be able to dispose of it.
And using your brain DNA, yourDNA, it can help determine
whether though what what stepsin those three that you're
producing or that you're doinggreat at, and then where you
need some assistance.
(36:08):
And it literally is a blueprintfor not just your brain
genetics, but then and how yourbrain functions and how your
nervous system functions, butyour brain then controls
everything else.
So, welcome to our unshakablebrain movement.
You are now a part of it.
I'm Dr.
Kylie signing off.
(36:29):
This was Trisha McQueen, and weare so excited to have you here,
to have you learning with us,and have you helping not just
yourself but everybody aroundyou create unshakable brains.
See you next week.
Have you ever thought about what you are
intended to know?
We've been trained, conditionedto believe that we can know, and
it was on purpose that we areintended to know everybody's
thoughts and opinions.
Have you ever sat back andactually considered what that
(00:26):
truly means?
Were we intended to know whateverybody wants to say?
Because people are so willing totext just about anything, no
matter who the other person isthat's receiving it.
I feel like Taylor Swift saidthis in a very good way.
(00:46):
Think about your energy asexpensive.
If it's not worth giving yourenergy into, don't do it.
Welcome to Unshakable Brain.
I am your host, Dr.
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Each week we explore thescience, stories, and strategies
to make that happen.
This episode is brought to youby Dr.
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Find out more atunshakablebrain.ai.
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Let's dive in.
I have my lovely and good friendTrisha McQueen with me today.
Trisha is a mom of two and a newgrandma.
When was she born?
June 13th.
June 13th.
So a couple months old now, andshe's learning the life of
(01:42):
grandmotherhood.
But we were talking before wehit record, and Trisha shared
some stories with me about herlife growing up.
And as I've been creating thispodcast and recording these
episodes, I feel like we're notjust on a mission to help our
own brains, but to helpeverybody's brains, no matter
(02:04):
their age, but to also give youa platform to go against the
grain.
Because as moms, we have to dothings that go against the grain
in order to create unshakablebrains and not just ourselves,
but our kids and our posterityafter that and those around us.
And so, Trisha, would you liketo share how your dad helped you
(02:26):
create an unshakable brain veryearly on?
SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
Yeah, I'd love to.
I was you were when you werespeaking right then, I just had
this thought that that as a mom,we have to get uncomfortable to
protect our children.
Like we have to be willing to beuncomfortable.
And I don't know, it just cameto my mind when you were
speaking, like, yeah, that'sreally what we do.
SPEAKER_03 (02:47):
Not just uncomfortable, but you have to
be willing to be the bad guy.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:51):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (02:52):
Stand up to people.
They're gonna say, Well, myfriends all have it, my friends
all do this.
It's like, okay, well, that'stheir decision.
But for us and our family, thisis our decision.
SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
Yeah, wouldn't it be cool if more parents, it was
like all the parents were sayingno.
So that was the thing that wasnormal.
That would be great.
Let's get that movement going.
So my dad, he really wanted tohelp his children stay innocent.
Like he just he couldn't standthe thought.
He was very tender-hearted, andhe couldn't stand the thought of
(03:24):
like hurting our children.
And some of it like is a littleodd.
I think the example I gave isthat when my grandmother died,
he he didn't want us to go tofunerals.
He didn't want us to go to anyfunerals.
In fact, I never remember goingto a funeral with him ever, even
one time.
Although, of course, there's famfamily members that passed away.
But when his mom died, he justhad a very quiet graveside
(03:46):
service and didn't allow us togo.
Even though we were like youngadults, he just couldn't stand
the thought of his childrenbeing subjected to that.
In hindsight, like now, as I'molder, I understand he was just
really trying to protect us fromthe darkness and the sadness of
it.
And in fact, I remember that Iguess we were at a cemetery for
(04:10):
something, a funeral, agraveside service, a funeral.
I don't even know why, because Iwas little.
I want to say, like I wasprobably seven or eight years
old.
And it it was my one and onlytime I ever remember being at a
cemetery with my father.
And I remember that I waslooking around and I was like,
there's flowers everywhere.
Like, you know how cemetery, youknow, people, you know, they
(04:31):
cherish their loved ones andthey honor them by leaving
flowers.
And there were flowerseverywhere.
And and I remember I said, Whereare we?
And my dad instantly, before mymom could say a word, he said,
This is where the Easter bunnylives because it was so bright
and happy and flowerseverywhere.
Rather than tell us, like, oh,this is where your grandma who
(04:54):
died lives, or this is like hejust couldn't stand the thought
of us being subjected.
So I just thought that wasreally, really sweet.
How in hindsight, looking backin the moment, I didn't think
anything of it, but now I'mlike, he was totally trying to
just protect our innocence,protect us from having to cope
with something dark and happy ata young age.
(05:15):
It's kind of cool.
SPEAKER_03 (05:16):
Yeah.
So if you're a mom out therewondering how you can protect
your kids, even if it soundsweird or quirky, you have my
permission to do it.
We are on a movement together tonot just create unshakable
brains for us, but for our kidsand for everybody around us.
And that means that we have totake a stand.
SPEAKER_01 (05:37):
Um do the hard, have the hard conversations or do the
hard things, like the hard line.
My daughter came home the othernight.
She and her boyfriend went to amovie, and and I hate horror
movies, so she started tellingme about this.
I'm like, I don't want to knowabout a horror movie.
But she said, No, I'm gonna tellyou what happened.
(05:58):
So she and her boyfriend went toa horror movie, and she said
that as they were going in,there was a family going into
the movie with little children.
She was mom little, like maybelike three and five, like little
children.
And she said, and I thought, no,they won't let them come in here
because this is like rated R.
It's very dark, it's veryviolent, it's very, she goes,
(06:20):
There's profanity, there waskilling, there was scary, you
know.
And and she said, I thought, noway are the movie people gonna
allow them in.
She goes, nobody stopped them,nobody said a word.
And she said, and you know, likewatching, like I kind of she
goes, I'm jumping and I'mhiding, and it was scary.
And she goes, they weren't likereacting, like they were numb to
(06:40):
it.
And she said, I just thought,there's no way these parents are
gonna let them.
And she goes, sure enough, notthat they just it's like the
parents wanted to go to themovie, so okay, the kids are
going with us.
And she was just saying thatshe's she was thinking to
herself, and she told herboyfriend, my parents would
never have let me.
And he said the same thing, hisparents would never have let him
either.
And it's interesting how likeshe brought up a couple things
(07:03):
that one, why would theseparents allow their children to
be subjected to that?
That's so harmful to them, theydon't know how to process it.
Like we know when people seethings on the screen, like at
that young age, they to themit's real.
So how terrifying.
But secondly, that they weren'treacting to something so
(07:24):
horrific, like they were immuneto it.
Like, what?
That's just there's so manywrong things on that whole
experience.
I don't know.
I was sheep shocked, but I lovethat she came home and talked to
me about it because to me, sherecognized like the importance
of uh saving or protecting thoseyoung, innocent brains, even
(07:46):
though that she had no relationsto these children.
She was like, I really want toget up and say something like,
you know, your kids are reallytoo young to be here.
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
So it was kind of cool that she shared that, but
crazy parent, let them go.
SPEAKER_03 (07:59):
Yeah.
As I think about your I hatehorror movies too.
I never want anything to do withthem.
I cringe when there's a30-second commercial on.
I will mute it, change thechannel as soon as as soon as I
can.
I just don't want that in mybrain, and I don't want that in
anybody's brains who was insidethe room.
(08:21):
So, like I've even said, Easton,close your eyes.
Like, if I can't get to theremote fast enough to change it,
we just have to like we have totake those those stances.
So, as we began this episode, wetalked about how when we're on
social media, when we're onYouTube, when we're on whatever
(08:44):
it is that where people areallowed to comment and to post
their own things and voice theiropinion or their experiences and
their thoughts, and oftentimesthey're more willing to do
something behind a screen thanthey ever would in person.
Yeah, did God intend for us toknow everybody's thoughts and
(09:09):
opinions?
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
Yeah, I really don't believe so.
SPEAKER_03 (09:13):
I don't either, and yet they're everywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
I think that it it's like it has led to such a great
what's an epidemic ofdepression, and you see the
suicide rate skyrocketing, andyou see just this overall uh you
know bad self-worth and badself-esteem.
And and and I think we're notI'm not supposed to know what
(09:40):
you think about me.
Like, I don't need to know whateverybody thinks about me.
In fact, I shouldn't.
It's not good for us to like itdoesn't it doesn't help in any
way to know someone's negativethoughts about you or ever.
And that's social media hastaken that away in a really bad
situation.
(10:00):
I just I think that's why we seeso many young, uh young, I say
kids, but like tweens, teens,and they really are struggling
because uh people are horrible,like you said, behind the
screen, they'll say awfulthings.
SPEAKER_03 (10:16):
Yeah, so we were never intended to know
everybody's thoughts andopinions.
That said, we do have to createboundaries and barriers to not
hear.
You know, I remember I posted avideo one time with about work,
and I I've said for years, likeif I didn't own a business, I
wouldn't be on social media, andin fact, I'm running out of that
(10:37):
excuse now.
It's like I don't need to be onsocial media, even if I'm
running a business.
I was I was 38 weeks pregnant,and I held this the camera up.
You know, I'm doing a selfievideo, and I held the camera up
so you couldn't see my stomach.
And when I'm pregnant, nobodyknows unless you can see my
(10:59):
stomach, right?
There was this comment that Isaw that said I needed a
rhinoplasty, and I'm like, ifonly you knew how pregnant I
was, you darn white, right fool.
Like, no, nobody worth dumpingenergy into to begin with, and
yet he felt like he needed todump energy into and it was so
(11:25):
bizarre and awful, but yearslater it's still in my mind.
Like that's the kind of impactthat it's having on our brains,
that's the kind of impact it'shaving on our enjoyment with
life, and we think, oh, socialmedia brings great joy, and
maybe it did when it started.
Maybe the ability to communicateand connect with people was
(11:47):
great when it started, but lookwhere it's gotten us.
SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
Yeah, I think it's very interesting how we curate
curate our social mediaexperience by you know what we
see, what we view.
My daughter and I have verydifferent like political views.
What she sees is so differentthan what I see.
But I had this thought, likewhat you you're totally right.
It does stay with you, it doesimpact you.
(12:12):
And the positive doesn't staywith us the same way, like the
negative stays with us forever.
But this thought just came tome, and I'm like, that's an
interesting thought.
Is that let's just call this guya bully, for lack of a better
word.
I mean, he's a bully.
And we see these internetbullies, social media bullies.
But what I have this thoughtabout is how one, we already
agreed upon this and noticedthat they don't say it in
(12:33):
person, right?
They wouldn't go up to you atthe grocery store and say,
girlfriend, you need a nose job.
They're not gonna say that toyou, right?
But they do it, they like hidebehind the screens and they do
it online.
But the thought just came to me,what is that doing to their
psyche?
Like that's such a negativespiral down that they're seeking
(12:55):
out opportunities to tear peopledown.
I mean, we all know, right?
When we give compliments and wegive away that light, it makes
us lighter, right?
Does the same happen to them?
Like they they're dark, so itbrings it darker.
I mean, is that see what I mean?
Like it's this trap and howthere's so many, it's like an
what's it say, like an octopus?
(13:15):
There's so many different littlearms to it, and like it tears
you down, it tears themselvesdown, it you know, but it makes
them feel stronger or powerful,so they do it more.
SPEAKER_03 (13:25):
Like, what I was thinking, hurt people, hurt
people.
And if they're willing to hurtother people, how much are they
hurting themselves?
But they're projecting it allover.
That doesn't mean that I need tobe the reciprocate of it.
That means that I can put thatbarrier and I can say, you know
what?
If I don't want my kids onsocial media, why am I on social
(13:47):
media?
If I don't want my kids onYouTube, why am I on YouTube?
It's one of the reasons why Istarted this podcast is because
I want to get off of thoseplatforms.
And two, with the AI, you don'teven know what's real and what's
not real.
But a podcast episode, I knowyou can create AI voices, I know
that that exists, but that'sstill not real.
(14:09):
You're not gonna get peoplepracticing stories.
You know, you're not gonna begetting the real person and
explaining to them what'shappening in their life.
Like with previous podcasts I'verecorded, I would get on a
client call and they'd be like,How's your son doing?
Is he sleeping yet?
I'm like, How the heck do youknow that my son's not sleeping?
Oh, yeah, the podcast.
It's funny.
(14:31):
I'm real and I want to share myreal experiences and have the
guests be real.
So in this AI dominant spacewhere AI can create any image,
any look alike, any headline canbe a false headline.
Finding a platform that allowspeople to be real and to feel
(14:51):
heard and to feel safe whilewe're at it, and to know that
you know what, we're not theonly one struggling, or you're
not the only one struggling.
We're here to create thismovement and we're here to be on
this mission, to create anunshakable brain, no matter how
old you are.
If you're two, like I I feel sobad for those little kids.
What are they gonna be like inadult life where they're just so
(15:13):
immune to the evil in a rated Rshow?
I've never seen a rated R show,period.
I don't need to, I don't needto.
Rated R shows were like likenowadays to become rated R,
that's that's pretty bad.
SPEAKER_01 (15:29):
I I heard someone say, well, PG 13s only have one
F-word, so that's not so bad.
I'm like, when did we decideone?
One's okay, one's fine.
Like, when did we decide thatlike we're gonna suddenly like
let levels of yuckiness into ourbrains?
Oh, it's just a little bityucky, it's fine.
Like, I'm just gonna go to thebody.
SPEAKER_03 (15:52):
It made the classification.
Yeah, they wasn't evennecessary, they could have
allated it.
SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
Totally not necessary.
I know craziness, like justlet's get this movement going.
Like, let's have it be thatwe're we're proactive and
protecting our children'sbrains.
Like, I'm speaking up more thanI ever have.
I've attributed it to the factthat I'm 52, but you know, maybe
it's just because I've learnedenough to realize that if we
(16:22):
don't all speak up and speak outand protect, you know, what's
important, then it's just gonnakeep getting darker and yuckier.
So maybe we do thatuncomfortable thing and work to
start to protect our own circleand then let that circle get a
little bit bigger, right?
Like I volunteer, I serve atchurch with the children.
(16:42):
So I have that influence.
I don't have my children aren'tyoung anymore, but I do have
that influence to bring light tothem, you know, and help them
see that and discourage thenegativity and discourage the
dark.
Thinking of this, by the way, Irealized I I work with the
children that are age like 18months to 11.
I haven't seen one of thosechildren with a cell phone.
(17:05):
So we've got some parents doingthings right.
I just realized I haven't seenany of those nine, 10,
11-year-olds with a cell phone.
I'm so happy to say that.
I just realized that's prettycool.
SPEAKER_03 (17:15):
My husband works with the young men, and that is
not the case.
He gets so frustrated becausethey don't participate in class,
they're just on their phones.
And I feel like uh they've hadto do with moments where they
take like you turn on your phoneat the at the door.
Even if it's like you have abasket on the table and the
phones get turned into thebasket as you eat dinner.
SPEAKER_01 (17:37):
Have you heard of the thing where where friends go
out to dinner together, and youknow how people still are
getting their phone out, they'rewhatever.
They put they stack the phonesin the middle.
Have you heard of this?
Friends do it, they're the firstones that did it with us, and
we're like, this is great.
You stack the phones in themiddle of the table restaurant.
The first person that touchedtheir phone buys dinner for
everyone.
(17:58):
You don't touch that phone.
You're like, Oh, there's eightof us here.
We're not touching that phone.
Like, it's so good because thenyou're just talking to each
other, it's so much better.
SPEAKER_03 (18:08):
Yeah, communicating in real life, like how it's
supposed to be.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
You mentioned how they're always on their phone,
and it's this is a little bit ofa like offshoot, but did you see
you can edit this out, whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
But did you see the Charlie Kirk quote about his
physical Bible?
SPEAKER_03 (18:28):
Have you seen that one?
I have I've seen it, I don'tremember it.
He said there's like fivereasons why you need to have a
physical Bible.
SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Yep, and they were so good.
And he's like, Look, digitalBibles, like great, you're out
and about somewhere.
He goes, but one, every time youopen your it's not just a Bible,
he's like, it's your music, it'syour computer, right?
And he goes, So you'redistracted about it because you
don't just read your Bible.
But he talked about some of thethings about the weight, the
(18:57):
physical weight of the book.
He talked about how it becomesfamiliar, like you put your
notes and stuff.
And I was thinking about atchurch, these kids often use
their phone for theirscriptures.
Oh, I'm just gonna read it on myphone.
But I don't know, reading thatquote, I was like, gosh, that's
true, because I'm a physicalperson.
Like, I want my physicalscriptures, and I'm one of the
(19:19):
only adults in like Sundayschool that has my physical
scriptures.
I just love them.
And I was like, Oh, that's why,because these are very much a
part of me.
But like the phone pulls us awayin so many different areas, like
even little things like that.
I don't even just read myscriptures anymore.
I don't read my Bible anymore.
Instead, I'm distracted.
I'm trying to read my Bible, andthen it's like my cell phone, I
get a text, I get it, and thenthat's just pulling you away.
(19:41):
I don't know.
That's a little interesting sidenote there.
Yeah, distractions.
Yo, distractions.
SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
All right, Theresa.
Let's talk a little bit aboutyour experience with your brain
and your wellness, and then tellus a little bit about when you
took the brand DNA test and whatit discovered for you.
SPEAKER_02 (20:01):
So I whatever you'd like to share.
It's your stage.
SPEAKER_01 (20:07):
Well, so there's a couple things going on.
First off, my brain is alwaysgoing a million miles a minute,
and it's scattered all over theplace.
Interestingly enough, like Igrew up in an era we didn't
diagnose, so ADHD, I had noidea.
As an adult, I finally went andgot the diagnosis.
Still, you know, it doesn'tchange me, it doesn't change
(20:29):
anything.
I learned how to cope, whichmaybe is to our detriment that
we give a diagnosis and then wegive a pill and instead of
helping people learn to adaptand work with their brain and
the strengths and that, like,for example, if I had to study,
I couldn't just read, I didn'tretain it.
But if I listen to music, likeclassical music, then I retained
(20:51):
it.
Like that's it was a good copingthing.
But anyway, I noticed that likeI had been on antidepressants
like 10 years.
I'm really kind of a cheerfulperson.
I think I was more like tiredand like discouraged, but no
doctor encouraged me to look atwhy or how to wean off of it.
(21:15):
Or and I just realized I don'twant to take pills that I don't,
I don't want that to be, it's alifelong band-aid.
Like it doesn't, I just didn'twant to do it anymore.
The brain DNA test, it helped meto see where my brain was weak
and where it was strong.
It helped me to see one of thethings that I liked is that it
(21:37):
helped me to realize that mybrain was not like broken
because I do things differently.
It was more like use it to myadvantage.
What I one of the things Irealized is that I needed
creativity to thrive.
Like that was that's who I am,and it's that's who I am.
(21:57):
Like quit trying to fightagainst it.
I've always been in an officejob, and I realized of course
I'm not like thriving in anoffice job because I have this
creative brain.
And so actually, you know, Dr.
Kylie kind of pushed me off thecliff, and I'm finally doing
something and working towards acareer that I'm excited about
(22:22):
every single day.
SPEAKER_03 (22:23):
She gets to create every single day, and this is
something that AI cannotreplace.
And if I lived next to her, Iwould weigh 100 pounds heavier.
Or as I said to her the otherday, I would definitely have to
increase my exercise routinebecause her cookies, her
cinnamon rolls, her cupcakes areabsolutely the best on the
(22:45):
planet.
And I'm not even kidding.
I've had all of the Utahcinnamon rolls, and then she
brought them over to my houseone time.
And Andrew and I don't even eatsweets, like I can have a bite
and then be done.
No, we ate all 12 of thesecinnamon rolls over the course
of a week, and they're thatgood.
So she's now utilizing hercreativity, her skills, and it's
(23:09):
boosting her brain.
So I want to ask you as alistener, like, what are you
trying to force yourself intorather than working with your
brain and how it works, and thenautomatically seeing more
enjoyment and more fulfillment?
One of the recent aha moments Ihad after taking my own brain
(23:31):
DNA test and sitting in it forthe last few months, I create
dopamine in a rush.
My dopamine hits my system andit goes skies skyrockets really
high, and then it goes and itjust crashes really quickly.
Well, that meant that I wouldfeel good for a minute and maybe
(23:53):
five, maybe an hour if I'mlucky, and then I'm back to
being in that same space becausemy DNA creates dopamine fast and
then releases it fast.
So it excretes out of out of theout of my body.
Well, I have been thinking aboutthat.
(24:14):
Like, wait a second, my nervoussystem is used to this big
launch and then a crash, andthen a big launch and then a
crash.
So, guess what my business modelwas?
My business model was livelaunching this big dopamine rush
and a crash, and this bigdopamine rush and a crash.
And I look back now, and Andrewwould, Andrew, my husband, would
(24:37):
he be like, I just want a steadywife.
Why can't I have a steady wife?
And I thought, what do you meanI'm I am too steady?
You know, I'm gonna be defiantin the moment.
But I look back and I think,wow, my nervous system, because
of my DNA, because of the way myDNA is built, has been trained
(25:00):
to have these really big highsand then a crash afterwards.
And so naturally, I created abusiness model that followed
what my nervous system felt safewith.
And that was revealed throughbrain DNA test.
So now that I know that, I canfocus on creating and like
dietary exercises, somesupplements to where my dopamine
(25:24):
more is more evil at even level,and which means once my nervous
system is trained to be likethat, I can now have a business
model that is more consistent,and everybody around me won't be
like, Well, is she gonna be on ahigh or a low today?
SPEAKER_01 (25:42):
There's no pathways or no job.
When you take a lab test, no, Iknow, and I was looking for the
specific because like I'm thepatient, I you've got the
education.
So this is great because thisthis brain DNA test, your
average person can read theresults and get so much.
(26:02):
You don't have to have a medicaldegree to understand it.
So actually, I was trying toremember what there was one
thing that my body doesn'tabsorb well.
I'm like, oh yeah, what is that?
And it's GABA.
Is that the right way of sayingit?
Okay, yep, GABA.
And it affects my sleep, but itis also the reason I jump from
thing to thing to thing to thingto thing to thing.
(26:23):
So I am creative, but I'm like,oh, do I want to quilt?
Do I want to garden?
Do I want to embroider?
Do I want to bake?
Do I want to bake a cake?
Do I want to cook?
Do I want to?
And I can do all those things.
And what has helped me with thisis that it's there's supplements
that help me to slow down thejump and to focus in on what do
(26:44):
I want to do?
Instead of like being impulsive,like it's taken away some of
that impulsivity.
And so that's where I'm sodialed in on building up this
bakery and catering that theother things are like they're
soft in the background.
They're not pushing me.
Like, does that make sense?
My I wake up excited andmotivated.
(27:06):
Like, what am I gonna do?
I'm I guess for the first timein my life, I am planning out
it, you know, like a 90-dayplan.
And it's sticking to this same,it's all about building the
bakery.
That's what I what I'm thinking.
I've never done this before.
I've never been excited likethis, but I know because I know
(27:26):
how my brain works, I was like,ooh, okay, I'm gonna work with
it instead of against it.
It's been cool.
SPEAKER_03 (27:32):
Yeah.
And that's what I think thebiggest thing for the brain DNA
results are, no matter who youare, is that you just understand
your brain at a deeper level.
And like you said, the resultsare understandable for
everybody.
You don't need to meet with aclinician, you don't need to
meet with a practitioner.
But when you understand how yourbrain functions and what it what
(27:53):
it's designed to do on a geneticlevel, you understand how to
work with it and not against it.
And naturally, as you saidmultiple times, you're feeling
joyous, you're feeling happier,and you're feeling like there is
a way off your medicationsbecause now you understand.
Okay, I don't produce GABA, andif I do produce it, it doesn't
(28:16):
stay in my system for very long.
And GABA is very calming.
And if you don't have the GABAin your system, you're not gonna
feel calm and sleep.
Which might be classified asanxiety, so exactly okay.
SPEAKER_01 (28:32):
The interesting thing, I feel like I really want
to make this point, is that whenI went to my primary care
physician and talked to himabout going off meds.
I mean, the thing is when youwhen you've taken an
antidepressant for years, youcan't, it's not smart to just
go, it's not good for you tojust stop it.
So you needed to be smart abouthow you do it.
I'm like, I'm gonna be smartabout it.
(28:53):
He was very opposed to me goingoff the medication.
Like, well, why would you go offit?
You're not really having anyside effects with it, like
you're and I really had to pushat him to get him to help me
wean off of the drugs, and I andI and I've reflected on that.
Like, why would he want me tostay on a medication?
(29:17):
Why would he feel like that wasthe lifelong choice was better
for me?
I I don't know, justinteresting.
What I know about reading this,like literally, it's not only
like the brain, like you needthis mineral or supplement.
What I like about the results,Kylie, is that they talk about
you do better, get somesunshine, you need some vitamin
(29:38):
D daily, you need to you know,like uh establish a nighttime
routine to help slow down.
Like they give you the practicalyou should eat more fish.
You should it gives you this soyou can build this life, this
healthy life.
You know what I mean?
Like it just gives your old girlan unshakable brain.
Yeah, there you go.
unknown (29:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Not just like hope.
Yeah, that's what I love.
It's not just take this pill,like in this case, it's take the
supplement.
Great.
That's helpful, but it's morethan that.
Take the supplement, but alsoavoid caffeine, Tricia.
Oh, also get out.
(30:23):
What?
Like that was so cool.
And then to see, to implement itand see, oh, I do feel better.
Like what?
It's so cool.
SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
Yeah.
I know one of the things for mewas one of the underlying
factors of this brain DNA testis you can determine whether
your nervous system is in asympathetic state, which is
fight or flight, or in aparasympathetic state, which is
rest and digest.
Well, I knew I was in fight orflight.
(30:54):
I I just I don't know how to notgo, go, go, go, go.
Like God says calm down, I sayhow.
I don't know how.
But I've realized like I don'tneed to when when everybody's
jumping into this into the icebaths.
And literally, when I go toconferences and there are
practitioners all around who arelike, hey, you're gonna go join
(31:15):
the ice bath tomorrow.
People will get up at sixo'clock in the morning and go
take an ice bath.
That's great.
If that's your thing, fine, gofor it.
I have taken so many ice bathsin my college athletic career, I
don't need to take another one.
But is it good for your nervoussystem?
Because if you're in asympathetic state, you should
not be doing more sympatheticactivities.
(31:35):
You should be doing more thingslike yoga and things like rest
and digest.
So maybe instead of going on a5K run, you go for a 5K walk.
SPEAKER_00 (31:45):
There you go.
SPEAKER_03 (31:46):
And you can know that based upon your brain DNA
test results.
So for me, okay, I'm in asympathetic state.
I need to do more rest anddigest stuff, and maybe a little
bit of HIT training, which is myfavorite, anyways.
So I can jump on the Peloton for20 minutes, 30 minutes max, and
I can be good.
I don't need no two-hour longexercise.
unknown (32:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (32:06):
And that's better for my nervous system.
So it's very, very helpful in alot of different ways.
SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Okay, functions better.
SPEAKER_03 (32:15):
Yeah, nutrition, your diet.
Like if you want a personalizednutrition plan, if you want a
personalized exercise plan,that's all part of the results
based upon your genetics andbased upon what your genes help
with your with yourneurotransmitters, things like
serotonin, dopamine,norepinephrine, oxytocin.
So your your ability to connectwith other people and to build
(32:38):
strong relationships.
GABA, you talked about yours wasGABA.
Mine's the dopamine.
That's what that was reallywhere mine focused on, where I
know yours are really focused onGABA.
So if you're interested in that,go to unshakablebrain.ai, and
there's all kinds ofinformation.
You can see my an example of mylab test results, but
(32:58):
unshakablebrain.ai is where youcan order your test.
And if you are a practitioner,you can join on and join this
movement with us.
All the details are right there.
So, all right, Trisha.
Finishing off here, I liked howyou said you felt like the
medication was a lifelongband-aid and you wanted off of
(33:20):
it and found your path.
I know that's gonna be similarstories for many listeners who
they feel like they've beentaking medication.
They don't really know whythey're still taking it, and
they want a different path.
So that's one of the reasons whywe're here is to offer that new
path.
And what I've found infunctional medicine is that we
(33:40):
are very good at treating thethyroid down.
Now, I would have said theshoulders down, but then I
realized wait, the thyroid's inthe middle of your neck, so we
got to go thyroid down.
We're very good at that.
But anything above your thyroid,oh, we're just gonna slap on an
SSRI if we take that, or maybewe'll take a nervous system
supplement.
Like there's never really anylab, there's never any labs done
(34:04):
for it.
If you were given an SSRI, didyour doctor test dopamine and
serotonin?
Heck no.
As we get into this podcast moreand more, you're gonna learn
that I'm huge on labs.
I am huge on regular blood work,but inside your regular blood
work, you cannot receive anyinformation about your nervous
(34:25):
system or your brain.
Isn't that ironic?
Yeah.
Hence why we've started theunshakable brain movement is
because there is a need and I amwanting to help fulfill it.
This is my mission.
SPEAKER_01 (34:41):
Wait, and I, you know, like just a thought, like
on the positive side, likeantidepressants are a godsend
for so many people, they are soimportant.
I I can't tell you how manyfriends have been saved.
Like, I for myself, even therewere a couple years of really
bad postpartum.
So I don't want to like discountthat they can be helpful, but
how about your brain DNA testwill better give you a
(35:05):
connection to the rightantidepressant?
Some of them are more effectivefor do you know what I mean?
Like there are people that aretaking antidepressants that
might not be the right one basedon their brain DNA.
Like it can we can use it as atool, like right, like couple
those together and make it moresuccessful.
I don't know.
(35:26):
Just a thought.
SPEAKER_03 (35:26):
Yeah, yeah.
One last little snippet hereabout the brain DNA test is that
it tests utilizing your DNA,your body's ability to utilize
these hormones in threedifferent ways
neurotransmitters, so serotonin,dopamine, things like that.
Your body needs to first be ableto produce it.
(35:48):
Second, it needs to be able toutilize it, and third, it needs
to be able to dispose of it.
And using your brain DNA, yourDNA, it can help determine
whether though what what stepsin those three that you're
producing or that you're doinggreat at, and then where you
need some assistance.
(36:08):
And it literally is a blueprintfor not just your brain
genetics, but then and how yourbrain functions and how your
nervous system functions, butyour brain then controls
everything else.
So, welcome to our unshakablebrain movement.
You are now a part of it.
I'm Dr.
Kylie signing off.
(36:29):
This was Trisha McQueen, and weare so excited to have you here,
to have you learning with us,and have you helping not just
yourself but everybody aroundyou create unshakable brains.
See you next week.
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