November 4, 2025 • 36 mins
We explore how leaky gut and a compromised blood-brain barrier amplify inflammation, behavior changes, and brain fog, then lay out simple steps to protect both barriers and rebuild energy. Practical swaps, light and sleep routines, and paced detox strategies show families a realistic path to calmer brains.
• functional medicine journey from nursing to root-cause care
• why tight junctions fail in the gut and brain
• modern triggers: processed flour, sugar, dyes, antibiotics, stress
• kids’ behavior shifts with gluten, dyes, and sugar removal
• histamine, mast cells, and leaky brain explained
• gentle detox pacing, binders, and regressions
• mitochondria and ATP: sleep, light, and movement
• red light tools, morning light, circadian support
• stepwise diet upgrades: good, better, best
• raw dairy, fermented foods, and ancestral skills
• reading research critically and following outcomes
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SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
You've probably heard of leaky butt, but have
you heard of leaky brain?
That's the conversation we'regonna have on today's podcast
episode.
Welcome to Uncle Brain, yourguide to an unfakable brain.
I'm Dr.
Hiley, your host, and my missionis simple to help you grow a
brain that's stronger, sharper,and unbreakable in every part of
(00:24):
your life.
Each week we explore thescience, stories, and strategies
to make that happen.
This episode is brought to youby Dr.
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Find out more at unclickablebrain.ai.
All right, weaky brain.
Here we go.
Today's special guest isLaCrista.
Odell, right?
(00:44):
Yes.
Okay.
Just pause for a second.
LaCrista Odell.
She runs not one but two officesin Oklahoma.
So if you are in the Oklahomaregion, I highly suggest going
to visit her.
Today we're going to discussleaky gut, leaky brain.
But first, LaCrista, tell us alittle bit about your past and
where you where you've been andwhy you're doing what you're
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doing now.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
So I am a registered nurse.
I feel like a lot of us havelike our own story of how we
ended up in functional medicine.
It's always, you know, my storyis very similar to everybody
else's.
I was very sick, and you know,you go to all the specialists,
you do all the things, and youjust continue to get worse, and
you don't ever find out likewhat's causing this.
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And they don't, they don't wantto find what's causing it.
They just think, oh, some peoplejust have high blood pressure.
You just get arthritis, you justget heart, heart disease, you
know, the Western medical systemisn't digging in.
Why are these things happening?
Your body is not designed toattack you.
Everything happens for a reason.
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It's, you know, it's dangeroussignals, it's trying to set up
alarm bells, it's trying to tellyou something's wrong.
And so through my own journey, Iended up being introduced to gly
kinesiology, which is a form ofmuscle testing that works
through frequencies to reallydetermine where there's
nutritional deficiencies,toxicities, mitochondrial
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breakdown, parasitex bacteria,you know, any kind of pathogen,
mold exposure, that sort ofthing.
And it healed me not once buttwice before I finally realized
I probably needed to weave themedical system.
The first time when I was 17,and we actually had a gas leak
in my house, and I was the onlyone that was sick.
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Found out later that I had MTHarg mutation.
So that's when I was the onlyone that was sick.
I wasn't able to detox properly.
And then by the time I was 27, Ihad been diagnosed with lupus
and rheumatoid arthritis, andwas just like not getting better
and was living on steroids.
And finally got when I gotpregnant, I had to stop all my
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medication.
Obviously declined very quicklyand ended up in the hands of
another muscle tester.
And it was the same story.
I was like, these are the onlypeople that are helping.
I don't understand why this isnot why this is a a last resort.
And so my mission is really makeit not a last resort.
You know, recause medicineshould be a first resort.
And so that's kind of what we'retrying to do.
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And we've the more people wehelp, the more severe cases that
we get.
So we have to keep expanding andadding, and now we do ozone and
peptides and you know, CBDIVsand you know, ribe therapy, all
things because there are somecases where people get so far
along where supplements are notgoing to be quite enough to get
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them back where we needed, youknow, want them to be.
So yeah, so just due to demand,now we have another location and
had to add some more aggressivetherapies in there.
But yeah, I absolutely love it.
And it's crazy that you get togo to work every day and it
doesn't feel like work.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
That's good.
That's good.
I actually received an emailfrom he's the lab director of a
hospital.
I can't remember in what state,but it in the hospital.
And he was trying to get the MDin their healthcare vicinity,
not just in the hospital, butevery all of the local areas, to
incorporate more functional intothe lab.
(04:23):
And he was wondering.
Um, I don't even know how hefound my information, but he
found my information because I'mthe blood work girl in my past.
So I'm turning to be more brainbrain functioning and and
uncleable untakeable brainstuff.
But I thought it was cool howhe's the head of a lab in a
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hospital trying to incorporatemore function as the labs and
get MDs on board.
So I sent him over tovirtualclinic.md because I know
them really well.
And I'm like, look, the MD isthe one who owns this.
So that will help the other MDsget on board with it.
(05:04):
So it's pretty good.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
It's pretty common that, you know, I see we see a
lot of chiropractors becausethey're more natural minded.
But it's crazy we see a lot ofnurses.
I mean, a lot of nurses, andthey're the ones in the
hospital, you know, and they'relike, I can't work here anymore,
you know, I can't do this.
And so we're getting lots ofnurse practitioners.
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Now we're seeing MDs, DOs.
And I'm like, when you're comingto us and going, like, I can't
fix myself, I don't know what'swrong.
Teach me what's happening.
And then they're going back outand they're like, How do you
continue to work in this brokensystem?
Because then they're seeing theroadblocks that insurance
companies are putting up, andthey can see after they learn
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how to heal, they can see themoney gain.
And it's really hard because youwant to help people.
And so some people stay in thetrenches because they're like,
now I can at least direct mypeople, you know, and do more,
add some supplements andlifestyle modifications and have
direct them out to do morefunctional lab testing, but it's
all out of pocket, you know.
And so, but some of them arelike, I just can't do this
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anymore, you know, I can't workin this system.
And so it's really sad that ourenvironment has just become very
toxic.
Our food, lots of mold,glyphosate.
It's very hard to stay healthyin America.
It's if you're not holisticminded and doing these things,
it's very, very hard to staywell, you know, and you know,
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into your older age.
You just we decline much quickerhere because of our toxicity
exposure.
SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
Yeah.
Okay, so speaking of toxicity,leaky gut, we've all heard of
it, I'm sure.
But then you've got leaky braintoo.
Explain to us first leaky gutand then how that incorporates
into leaky brain.
SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
So, like you said, speaking of the toxins, leaky
gut is so prominent.
I have one of the tests that Ilike to do has like a leaky gut
score on it.
And I've never ran it onsomebody that's been a membrane,
except for my kids.
And I'm only saying that becauseI don't typically run it on kids
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because I don't like to do bloodwork on kids.
We just try to stick with muscletesting.
But of course, with my kids, I'mlike, I want to see where
everything's at.
They had been, they had zeroantibiotics, they haven't had
any vaccinations, and they werestill borderline on the
moderate, like still in thegreen, close to the yellow.
So that just shows even likeworking, trying to stay healthy
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and knowing the things I know.
My two youngest, of course, mytwo oldest, I didn't know they
were vaccinated and grew up, youknow, on frozen foods and
processed foods and all thethings, but most people are in
red on the leaky gut score.
And so the reason is we have thehighest vaccination rate in the
country.
Our kids get over 80vaccinations by the time they're
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18 if they follow the regularschedule, which is absurd.
It's absolutely crazy.
So, what happens is these toxinscause inflammation throughout
the whole body, and so it's thetight junctions that are in our
gut, they're supposed to be liketight together, they start to
open up.
And so then undigested food andother things that should stay in
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the gut can leak out and causeinflammation through our whole
body.
Other contributors, like I said,antibiotics and steroids are
huge acid anti acids, those arehorrible on the gut, cause like
you gut as well.
Sugar, processed foods, gluten,our flour is so far removed from
traditional grain.
We've actually just recentlystarted.
SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
I like the way you said that.
So far removed from traditionalgrain.
SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
Yeah.
So we actually got some organicancient grain and we actually
mill it at home and make our ownflour.
And my kids think it's so fun.
We recently changed the recipethat we had.
It's always been sourdough, sowe always use sourdough, but we
actually changed our sourdoughto fresh mill flour instead of
buying, you know, like theorganic unbleached flour.
(09:10):
It still doesn't have anynutrients, like just it's just
flour, like there's no nutrientdensity to it.
We switched to fresh milled, andI only switched 30% of the flour
in this recipe because I waslike, I didn't know fresh mill
flour is so different, you know,uh when you use it to cook.
And my daughter, who normallydoesn't eat the little sourdough
(09:31):
muffins, ate like four of them.
And she's like, These almosttaste like a cookie because it
had so much flavor, and I onlyswitched 30% of the flour, and
this was just last week.
And so now we're slowlytransitioning all of our flour
over to fresh milk flour becausegluten is terrible.
And I tell people, like, it'snot really the gluten
sensitivity, it's like it's theflour in our country.
So we started with pine corn andthen they start hybridizing
(09:54):
these grains to make them growfaster and where they could
actually process them whenthey're shorter, a shorter plant
to it initially started, youknow, for to make sure that they
could actually feed everybody indroughts and things like that.
But it just kept continuing.
And so now it's such a difficultprotein to break down.
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If you buy any flour from thestore, it's going to cause
inflammation in the gut.
So if you can't get fresh milk,sourdough, grains, and bread
from somebody and you can't makeit yourself.
I just say stay, stay away fromgluten.
So another one that people don'tthink of is stress and not
getting enough sleep.
Those will actually cause leakygut.
All of those hormones worktogether.
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So those are really the mainthings.
How that connects to your brainis your gut is your second
brain.
I always like to use analogy,like almost everyone is pretty
well aware if you give a kidlike lots of sugar and dye, like
you should give them a bag ofSkittles or something, most kids
are gonna like lose their mind.
They're not gonna be able to payattention, they're gonna have
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behavioral issues, like dye andsugar make kids crazy.
And most people are pretty onboard with that now.
Most people can see thedifference in their kids when
they remove that.
And so the fact that you'reeating that and it makes their
brain like literally on fire,like then just their
neurotransmitters are just goingcrazy, that's the gut brain
connection.
What you're eating is directlyaffecting your brain, whether
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your gut is healed or not isdirectly affecting the
production of neurotransmitters,and then also the the
methylation factors too.
So, like, you know, if you haveneurotransmitters as they break
down and methylate and transferto other neurotransmitters, if
you can't make that processhappen, you may have too much of
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an excitatory neurotransmitterand not enough of a calming one,
and kids will get ticks anddystomia and tremors and things
like that because they don'thave enough GABA or some you
know neuro calmingneurotransmitters.
So that can be a problem too.
And so for kids, I always saycut out gluten, dyes, and sugar
and make a massive difference ifyou have kids with autism, ADHD,
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behavior, you know, behavioralissues, anything that could be,
you know, neurological, that'sreally gonna be probably the
first thing that I wouldrecommend.
Other signs to look for, like ifyou're not sure if your kid has
leaky gut, they probably do.
Other signs to look for.
SPEAKER_01 (12:22):
If they live in America, just assume it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
Right.
It's kind of like, do you haveparasites?
Yes, you do.
Eczema is a really big one.
So your skin is gonna directlyreflect your gut health as well.
Um, if they have constipation,they probably or diarrhea or
back and forth, like they justdon't have regular bowel
movements, they complain of oftummy aches.
Um, and then if they have anythose neurological symptoms,
those are all really good signsthat you could probably
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guarantee they've got some leakygut going on.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
So yeah, for for me and my two girls, we don't do
dairy.
My husband doesn't do dairyeither.
And for some reason, Ethan's theonly one that does in on small
amounts.
So it's like I have to get I gethim the milk because he doesn't
do he's allergic to nuts.
So it's like I gotta we gottatransition, but like y'all
notice with Holly.
(13:09):
I just wrote on my notes, like,I need to buy more enzymes for
Holly.
We ran out of we ran out ofenzymes for her.
And so I'll be like, mom, mytummy hurts.
I'm like, okay, well, have yougone in the bathroom?
What have you eaten?
The enzymes really help.
I I am not perfect in my glow,and I'm not perfect in my
children, I am not perfect in mydiet.
So I will help them in otherways as I as I that I can.
(13:31):
But so your mom out there, thereare people like LaCrista, who
is, I don't know how she does itall, where she's running two
brick and mortar practices, plusmaking all these homemade
delicious things for her kids.
And I am not a baker.
I kitchen, I have a greatkitchen, but it's not the place
I want to be cooking and baking.
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
Well, we homeschool, and so it's a you know, a lot of
times we use that as part of ourlesson.
Like we don't uh we try to stayaway from, I won't say we won't
eat processed dairy, we try tostay away from pasteurize and
processed dairy, but we get rawmilk from a dairy farm.
And so dairy itself isn't reallyinflammatory.
There are people who are lactoseintolerant, but most people,
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dairy is not inflammatory if youget raw dairy.
It's got the bacteria and theenzymes in the milk to break it
down, and so then it's veryeasy.
Like my kids can do it.
You know, we heat up the milk,add a little apple cider
vinegar, it separates.
You can make cottage cheese,mozzarella cheese, all of that.
And so that's just usually partof their little lessons.
They know how to feed thesourdough starter, they mix
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their own muffins, and sothere's good life skills, you
know.
Um, and I want I was talking toa client the other day, and she
said, the reason parents arehaving trouble raising their
kids is because they're notasking their parents for help
and they're not asking theirgrandparents for help, and we're
losing generational information.
And so all the way back, my mom,my grandma, and my
great-grandma, none of themcooked on on my mom's side, on
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my my grandma or my grandma'sside, on my dad's side that had
a very good cook.
My grandma unfortunately passedaway when I was younger, so I
didn't get any of thatinformation.
So I'm really trying toself-teach to make sure I pass
that down because when I was incollege, it was so crazy.
I was raised on, you know,hamburger helper and grilled
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cheese and hot dogs, and Ididn't know how to make bread.
Like I didn't know anythingabout yeast making bread rice.
I'd never heard of sourdough.
I didn't know you could makeyour own noodles.
I we didn't know how to processour own meat, like none of that.
And so it was so crazy to methat I want my kids to know that
like that is how we're supposedto eat.
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We made liver, like chickenlivers the other night and tell
my kids what they were, and theywere like, What is this?
You know, because liver is likethe most abundant in nutrients,
and so we actually uh cure itand then mix a little bit of it
with like our ground beef sothat they get the liver instead
of you know, they do take beeforganic capsules as well.
But yeah, I mean, changing adiet back to the traditional
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diet can literally just startthe healing process.
That is something every time youeat.
I tell my clients, you're eitherpoisoning your body or you're
healing it every time you eat.
So that and and you can't alwayschoose the best thing, but
there's always a betteralternative.
You know, if you're out at arestaurant, there's always one
alternative that's better, youknow.
The grilled chicken might becooked in canola oil, but at
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least it's not deep fried withyou know gluten or whatever.
So the fry, yeah, that's fine onthe back outside of it.
We've talked about 8020.
We we talk about 8020 a lot.
SPEAKER_01 (16:35):
Good, better, best is another rule, too.
Yes, for not just your kids, butfor yourself as well.
Like we gotta give ourselves uhgrace as well.
So, okay, that's how leaking gutoccurs.
Same thing if it's happening inyour gut, it's happening in your
brain.
SPEAKER_00 (16:52):
So where your your your gut lining breaks down, you
also in the brain, it's theblood brain barrier.
So everybody's heard of theblood brain barrier.
It's it's supposed to be kind oflike I mean, imagine like a
privacy fence, you know, theslats are really close together.
You should, but you can stillget some things through, just
not very much.
So the I haven't heard of thatcorrelation before.
SPEAKER_01 (17:15):
That's a good one with the privacy fence.
That makes so much sense.
SPEAKER_00 (17:19):
So it's you know, the they're supposed to be very
tiny openings, and and it'sdesigned where the openings big
enough where only the nutrientsand water and things that need
to get through can get through.
But what happens a lot of timesis you know, inflammation,
toxins, all of those things canmake those openings a little bit
wider.
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One thing that happens a lot oftimes is if kids have eczema or
allergies and they get hit, youknow, histamine.
So the the purpose of histamineis to open up the blood vessels
to get so that more immune cellscan get in to heal it.
So everything in our body, likeI said, happens for a reason.
But it also sometimes if it'schronic or long term, then
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that's when the injury to thebody starts to happen.
So histamine comes in withallergies or eczema, or you just
get sick or something, theseblood vessels open up, the blood
brain barrier opens up to try toget more immune cells in.
But then when this is chronic,then bacteria, toxins,
medications, you know, dies andsugar, all of this stuff starts
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to get into the brain becauseyour blood brain barriers opened
up because your histamine levelsare high.
So we've heard of like mast cellactivation syndrome.
This is just like chronichistamine elevation.
Your map cells are just pumpingout this histamine.
So that is another issue, too.
So if people have autoimmunityof any sort, any kind of
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autoimmune disease, they mostlikely have leaky brain.
And so that's something that youalways have to heal the gut, but
you also need to heal the brain.
Healing the brain's hard becauseyou've got to sleep.
You have to sleep.
SPEAKER_01 (18:56):
And and that's also we're like chronic insomnia in
this country, nobody was I uhwoke up this morning on the
couch because my littletwo-year-old came into the
bedroom who still hasn't slept,she slept through the night one
time in her entire life.
SPEAKER_00 (19:14):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
So when she came into the room last night, I'm
like, lift her up.
But between my husband, wholikes to take up a lot of space,
claims it's his broad shoulder.
I'm just like, forget it.
You two can go on the bed, Iwill go sleep on the couch.
SPEAKER_00 (19:34):
Um, what we see a lot too is, I mean, think about
it, there's a lot of kids thathave neurological issues that
don't sleep well.
And so, you know, finding waysthrough like magnesium or even
microdose melatonin and thingsto get them to sleep.
But something that's reallyinteresting is there's a lot of
conditions where I say, like,what came first, the chicken or
the egg?
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Like, you know, that kind ofthing.
So with say autism and ADHD,there were some post-mortem
studies that they did on thebrain where they found
spirochetes from Lyme's diseasein the brain of autistic kids.
And I can't remember if thestudy was on neurological
conditions in general, andthings like maybe Parkinson's
ADHD and autism, but Ispecifically was studying about
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autism, so I remember thatspecifically, but they were
finding spirochet in the brainpost-mortem.
So after these people havepassed away.
And so the question was did theLyme disease come in because the
blood-brain barrier was leaky?
Obviously, it had to be leaky tosome degree for that to get in.
Or once the bacteria got in, isthat what triggered the autism?
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Was Lyme's disease in the brain?
So we know about heavy metals.
We know heavy metals can triggerthat.
That's another findingpost-mortem or high high
aluminum.
We see this with Alzheimer's aswell.
But the spirit in the brain wasvery interesting because they
were like, okay, was a bloodbrain barrier leaky already?
This bacteria comes in and thenthey have these problems.
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What I will say is bacteria isvery difficult to detox from the
brain.
When we start detoxing thesekids, their symptoms usually get
worse before they get better.
They'll start having morebehavioral problems, they'll
start stemming, they'll starthaving accidents.
I actually just was messagingwith a mom just about an hour
ago.
We started her daughter on adetox, and she's been detoxing
for a while, but we really kindof cranked it up and added a
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blend that has some cilantro inthere, which helps pull some
heavy metals.
But she's been on, you know,zeolites and binders and stuff
in the past, but this onespecifically just really
triggered some things from forher.
She started stimming and havingaccidents, which is, you know,
typical regression with a detoxreaction in an autistic kiddo.
And so we just pulled her backon the supplement.
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We were, you know, she was justdetoxing a little bit too fast.
But that just shows that if youhave a neurological condition
and your brain's leaky,post-mortem, they're finding all
of this stuff in the brain thatshould have never gotten in.
And so a lot of us walk aroundall day with leaky brain.
So that's what they're trying todetermine is like, is it it's
they have leaky brain, maybethey have a little ADHD, a
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little brain fog.
Is it once the bacteria comes inthat they're getting the
full-blown autism?
Is it the the heavy metals?
Or is it that this stuff was,you know, it was already there
before.
And so that's kind of whatthey're trying to determine.
But the the mitochondriafunction is another thing that
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with the brain is our ourbrain's only two percent of our
body weight, but it uses 20% ofour ATP that's produced.
So it's a very high energeticorgan.
And so if your ATP or yourmitochondria cellular function
is low, your brain cannot worklike it like it needs to.
And so that's really important.
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We work, and I talk with myclients all about mitochondria
and ATP production, ways to keepthat that up because and you
know, sleep and exercise andsunlight, and all of that's
really important because that'show we charge our battery and
mitochondria or our batteries,you know, that's how we charge
them.
People aren't ex we look at welook at screens all day.
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We don't ever get naturalsunlight.
So red light therapy is reallygreat.
You know, like I leave my housemost of the time, I leave my
house before the sun's up.
So we use like a 10,000 lux luxlamp, we use a loom box for red
light, we use all these thingsto keep our mitochondria
function up and keep ourcircadian rhythm set because
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it's just the way that we live,we're not out.
I mean, there are times on theweekends, you know, Friday,
Saturday, Sunday where we'reoutside through the week, we
just aren't exposed to thosethings.
SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
Well, especially when the time's about to change
and it's all now get dark at 530.
Yes, for sure.
We live in 2025, seriously.
Yes, for sure.
One of my biggest pet peevesthat still exist.
So just to recap here, we got uma couple of different things
that you've said about healingthe brain.
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One mitochondria and your ATPproduction.
You know, I go back to highschool and I think in high
school we did those cellularmodules where you put like one
mitochondria on the cell, andthat's totally not reality.
Thousands and thousands ofmitochondria inside every single
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cell in our body, and thatmitochondria is responsible for
producing ATP.
You go back to high schoolagain, and you think about the
Krebs cycle, and the Krebs cycleis taking protein fats and
carbohydrates and convertingthat into the ATP for your
energy.
What happens in themitochondria?
So a little bit about whatmitochondria is, or is the
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appropriate term.
You said you can't heal thebrain without sleep.
One day I'm gonna sleep throughthe night.
I don't know when, but one day.
And then red light therapy.
Is there like a home unit thatyou suggest for red light
therapy?
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
I like the loom box just because they're portable
and they're small.
That's typically the one I'mgonna have to actually order a
second one.
My son moved to college, he's afootball player, and so he has
taken my loom box for all of hisinjuries, and I have not I have
not seen it since he moved out.
So we're gonna have to getanother one because my little
kids love it when they get sick.
(25:23):
You have a link for that?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:25):
On my Instagram, I've got a link tree that has
all my will you shoot it over tome and then I'll post it in the
show notes.
Yeah, for sure.
I'm sure is there an affiliatefee to it?
Like you might as well get some.
SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Yeah, I love the limb box.
It's one thing that I recommendto a lot of my clients as well.
We use limbbox, like I said,until my son ran off with it
when he got his first collegefootball injury.
We were we use it all the time.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Okay.
Super, super golden, goldeninformation here.
Talking about leaky got leakybrain and how they were
interchangeable almost,practically, anyways.
Krista, share with us a story ortwo about what you've seen
individuals go through and theiroutcomes.
SPEAKER_00 (26:14):
Like I said, I mean the most prominent ones that I
probably work with are autistickids.
And there's, you know, a hugemisconception that this cannot
be reversed.
And in all cases, I will saycomplete reversal.
I mean, there are a lot of caseswhere that's not, I'm not gonna
say that's not possible.
We haven't gotten there yet, iswhat I'll say, because we are
(26:37):
gonna stay hopeful and we knowthat these kids have come a long
ways.
Uh, but we've had several kidswho tested on the spectrum and
then they retake the test andthey're not on the spectrum
anymore.
So for some reason, a lot ofpeople in this community, you
know, I I made a post about thisone time with a little boy who
came in and had just redone histest.
He was no longer on thespectrum, he didn't have an IEP
(26:59):
at school, he was sitting innormal class.
You would never know that thiskid had been diagnosed with
autism.
Um, we made a post and I didn'tsay, you know, we had reversed
his autism, I didn't say any ofthat.
I just said he had tested on thespectrum.
Um two years later, he's off thespectrum on as far as his test
is concerned.
And it went crazy.
These people were pissed.
(27:20):
Like you can community, and I'mlike, wow, like, why would you
not want to offer some hope?
Like, I'm seeing this with myown eyes every day.
We're you know, they're they'renot talking, and we start
detoxing them and ramping uptheir mitochondria, and they
(27:41):
just start spilling words likewithin a week, these kids are
talking, and that's not alwaysthe case, but that happens a lot
of the time, and it's like it'samazing, and so we have to
really be careful about how muchwe talk about that, you know.
You're you're challengingbeliefs, yeah, and people don't
like their belief challenged,you know, and a lot of the times
(28:02):
I think these people know deepdown that it could potentially
have been the vaccine injury,like they saw this happen, and I
think a lot of it is, you know,maybe some subconscious guilt,
and they don't want to admitthat that could have an action
on their part could havepotentially caused this, and I
understand that, but also Ithink you know, digging deep and
(28:22):
discovering that there are sideeffects to everything, and
instead of taking your platformand your situation and your
story to educate other people soit doesn't happen to other kids
is a much stronger way to gothan to just suppress it.
And I feel like that is the casebecause the moms that come out
that and and speak about theirchild's situation, they are like
(28:44):
it's crazy that people don'twant to.
I'm I'm going to talk about mykids' progress, I'm going to
talk about their conditional,I'm going to tell people their
story.
And by doing that, they're ableto help other people and they're
giving them options.
And but yeah, I mean, it's veryrewarding to see.
And like I said, even changingthese kids' diet, getting
(29:06):
getting dairy and gluten out oftheir diet temporarily.
It's crazy.
In the gut of autistic kids,there's a book that's called
Healing the Symptoms Known asAutism.
It is not being publishedanymore.
I bought my coffee, it was over$300.
I was surprised.
It was over$300 on eBay becausethere aren't very many coffees
(29:27):
and it have been pulled down.
And in this book, it talks abouta study where the in the gut of
a typical autistic kid, becausethe gut microbiome is so
disruptive, these kids almostalways have gut issues, leaky
gut, leaky brain, that when theyeat gluten and dairy, it turns
into a chemical that is similarto morphine.
(29:47):
And so they're literally walkingaround feeling like they're
high.
And so when you cut that out oftheir diet, their brain starts
to come into focus, and it willdramatically change their
behaviors.
And these parents are.
Like, well, this is all they'lleat.
And I'm like, you have to startchanging things one thing at a
time.
Like, you've got to startexposing them.
And I know it's hard.
(30:08):
And I know we all, you know, wework and we're busy.
And but you wouldn't give yourkid morphine.
You know, you've got to findalternatives.
There's so many alternatives.
And so we'll just start, youknow, if they'll need chicken
nuggets and macaroni and cheese.
Let's find a gluten-freemacaroni.
Let's just start there.
You might have to try 16different brands of gluten-free
macaroni and cheese.
I don't even care if it's in thebox.
(30:29):
Get a gluten-free.
You know, and then we'll switchchicken nuggets.
You know, cook them differently,cook them in the oven.
Don't cook them in themicrowave, vice versa.
You know, like just and I don'teven care if it's microwave, I
don't care if it's processed.
Work on those very smalltransitions, especially if
they're only eating three orfour foods.
If you could switch two of them,you've changed 50% of their
diet.
And so we make really slowchanges, and I don't have like
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unrealistic expectations.
I don't expect like those arethose are doable shifts.
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yeah.
Like you're not saying cut out,cut this out, cut this out, eat
this whole brand new food.
Like, no, if they're gonna eatchicken, nuggets, and mac and
cheese, then just get the bestversion of them.
SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
I mean, like I said, our own flour and drink raw milk
and make our own cheese.
I'm not asking people to dothat.
I live that way because I feellike that's important to give my
kids, you know, that kind ofdiet and I want and we
homeschool and it's educationfor them.
And I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
I remember when you were telling when you were
talking about the raw milk.
My I come from a family of dairyfarmers in central Utah.
And growing up, we would just goget milk from the pasture.
Yeah.
And then somebody kind of alongthe lines told my grandma that
we couldn't had to be processed,so we couldn't do that anymore.
(31:46):
And that was like probably whenI was a teenager, so 25 years
ago, 20 years ago.
And now they've since passed.
But I remember those daysgrowing up where we just went
out to the farm and grabbed ourmilk.
SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
A little backstory on that.
So I always tell people LouisPasteur, so his last name is
Pasteur.
That's where the wordpasteurized comes from.
Louis Pasteur was a fraud.
And he admitted on his deathbedthat all of his research was
altered and that he was neverable to fulfill Cook's
postulates, where it's youidentify the bacteria in the
(32:19):
milk, you give it to somebody,they get sick, and then you
identify it in the stool, sothey have to, you know, it has
to pass through.
He was never able to fulfillthat proving causation.
And he lied and said that he didbecause he couldn't admit that
he was wrong.
And so that completely, youknow, that could go into the
whole germ theory versus terraintheory.
(32:39):
They've never been able to provethat taking a virus into your
body actually causes symptoms orbacteria.
Bacteria is natural, nature'snatural biodegraders.
It breaks down, it eats deadtissue.
So if you have an area of injuryor inflammation, bacteria comes
in to clean that area up.
If you take antibiotics and killout the bacteria, then that area
(33:00):
stays inflamed.
That can lead to disease andautoimmunity and cancer.
You want that bacteria there.
You just want to support yourbody through the healing
process.
People have to understand ourbodies know what they're doing.
We need to support it, not tryto stop it and reroute it,
because by doing that, you'recausing more damage.
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Complete opposite of life.
And you know, we had this littleprofessor here.
I I think he had little mansyndrome because he was like
five two and walked aroundcampus like he owned the place,
and people were intimidated byhim because of that that uh
little man syndrome.
(33:50):
And he was the one that alwayscranked down on research and
research and research.
And I'm like, look, someone hasto pay for the research for one.
Two, you can find researchbacking up anything you want to
find it on.
All the money.
It's the money, like I was uh Iwas a rebel even in school.
I'm just like, you can, yeah,give me some research, but I
(34:12):
want to know all the backgroundbehind like why did they even do
the research?
Because there's still motivationfor them behind that.
And then, of course, we have theTylenol research that came out.
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
I think it's like Coca-Cola and who's the other
one?
Like uh, I don't know, like oneof the other like candy
companies.
It's like what they're thebiggest companies and they're
funding all the food research.
Like, you can phenomenal thatresearch isn't biased.
Like, yeah, maybe also told thiscanola oil was safe.
Like, what are we doing?
SPEAKER_01 (34:46):
Yeah.
So take your research with agrain of salt and dive in
deeper.
There's a reason behind theresearch.
You gotta find the reason.
So don't just jump onto Chat GPTand let it pull from its main
source of Reddit and provide youeverything that you think you
are wanting.
Anyways, just so you all know,that is LaCrista Odell.
(35:09):
She was once a registered nurse.
So if you're feeling intimidatedby learning something completely
new, well, she's done it andshe's conquered it, and she's
helping thousands and millionsof other people heal because of
that big leap she took.
So, whatever you're doing inyour life, if there's a big leap
you're trying to take, take it.
(35:30):
I will help you create anunshakable brain.
And I kind of laughed when I Iinvited her on and said, You
have an unshakable brain.
She's like, No, I don't.
Like, I'm pretty sure it'spretty close to being an
unshakable brain.
If you can do what you do on thesocials and do what you do in
business and block out all thenaysayers, it's unshakable.
(35:52):
All right, LaCrista, where canthey learn more about you?
Yeah, yeah.
Do it, finish.
Where can they learn more aboutyou?
SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
Yeah, so uh nativewellness llc.com, and then
my Instagram is at laChristoDell.
SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
Go get the real truth from her Instagram page.
All right, guys, that's a wrap.
Unshakable brain.
If you could go like thepodcast, send it to a friend,
and leave a review, I wouldgreatly appreciate it.
Until next time.
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That's the conversation we'regonna have on today's podcast
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All right, weaky brain.
Here we go.
Today's special guest isLaCrista.
Odell, right?
(00:44):
Yes.
Okay.
Just pause for a second.
LaCrista Odell.
She runs not one but two officesin Oklahoma.
So if you are in the Oklahomaregion, I highly suggest going
to visit her.
Today we're going to discussleaky gut, leaky brain.
But first, LaCrista, tell us alittle bit about your past and
where you where you've been andwhy you're doing what you're
(01:08):
doing now.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
So I am a registered nurse.
I feel like a lot of us havelike our own story of how we
ended up in functional medicine.
It's always, you know, my storyis very similar to everybody
else's.
I was very sick, and you know,you go to all the specialists,
you do all the things, and youjust continue to get worse, and
you don't ever find out likewhat's causing this.
(01:32):
And they don't, they don't wantto find what's causing it.
They just think, oh, some peoplejust have high blood pressure.
You just get arthritis, you justget heart, heart disease, you
know, the Western medical systemisn't digging in.
Why are these things happening?
Your body is not designed toattack you.
Everything happens for a reason.
(01:54):
It's, you know, it's dangeroussignals, it's trying to set up
alarm bells, it's trying to tellyou something's wrong.
And so through my own journey, Iended up being introduced to gly
kinesiology, which is a form ofmuscle testing that works
through frequencies to reallydetermine where there's
nutritional deficiencies,toxicities, mitochondrial
(02:17):
breakdown, parasitex bacteria,you know, any kind of pathogen,
mold exposure, that sort ofthing.
And it healed me not once buttwice before I finally realized
I probably needed to weave themedical system.
The first time when I was 17,and we actually had a gas leak
in my house, and I was the onlyone that was sick.
(02:37):
Found out later that I had MTHarg mutation.
So that's when I was the onlyone that was sick.
I wasn't able to detox properly.
And then by the time I was 27, Ihad been diagnosed with lupus
and rheumatoid arthritis, andwas just like not getting better
and was living on steroids.
And finally got when I gotpregnant, I had to stop all my
(03:00):
medication.
Obviously declined very quicklyand ended up in the hands of
another muscle tester.
And it was the same story.
I was like, these are the onlypeople that are helping.
I don't understand why this isnot why this is a a last resort.
And so my mission is really makeit not a last resort.
You know, recause medicineshould be a first resort.
And so that's kind of what we'retrying to do.
(03:21):
And we've the more people wehelp, the more severe cases that
we get.
So we have to keep expanding andadding, and now we do ozone and
peptides and you know, CBDIVsand you know, ribe therapy, all
things because there are somecases where people get so far
along where supplements are notgoing to be quite enough to get
(03:43):
them back where we needed, youknow, want them to be.
So yeah, so just due to demand,now we have another location and
had to add some more aggressivetherapies in there.
But yeah, I absolutely love it.
And it's crazy that you get togo to work every day and it
doesn't feel like work.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
That's good.
That's good.
I actually received an emailfrom he's the lab director of a
hospital.
I can't remember in what state,but it in the hospital.
And he was trying to get the MDin their healthcare vicinity,
not just in the hospital, butevery all of the local areas, to
incorporate more functional intothe lab.
(04:23):
And he was wondering.
Um, I don't even know how hefound my information, but he
found my information because I'mthe blood work girl in my past.
So I'm turning to be more brainbrain functioning and and
uncleable untakeable brainstuff.
But I thought it was cool howhe's the head of a lab in a
(04:43):
hospital trying to incorporatemore function as the labs and
get MDs on board.
So I sent him over tovirtualclinic.md because I know
them really well.
And I'm like, look, the MD isthe one who owns this.
So that will help the other MDsget on board with it.
(05:04):
So it's pretty good.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
It's pretty common that, you know, I see we see a
lot of chiropractors becausethey're more natural minded.
But it's crazy we see a lot ofnurses.
I mean, a lot of nurses, andthey're the ones in the
hospital, you know, and they'relike, I can't work here anymore,
you know, I can't do this.
And so we're getting lots ofnurse practitioners.
(05:26):
Now we're seeing MDs, DOs.
And I'm like, when you're comingto us and going, like, I can't
fix myself, I don't know what'swrong.
Teach me what's happening.
And then they're going back outand they're like, How do you
continue to work in this brokensystem?
Because then they're seeing theroadblocks that insurance
companies are putting up, andthey can see after they learn
(05:47):
how to heal, they can see themoney gain.
And it's really hard because youwant to help people.
And so some people stay in thetrenches because they're like,
now I can at least direct mypeople, you know, and do more,
add some supplements andlifestyle modifications and have
direct them out to do morefunctional lab testing, but it's
all out of pocket, you know.
And so, but some of them arelike, I just can't do this
(06:09):
anymore, you know, I can't workin this system.
And so it's really sad that ourenvironment has just become very
toxic.
Our food, lots of mold,glyphosate.
It's very hard to stay healthyin America.
It's if you're not holisticminded and doing these things,
it's very, very hard to staywell, you know, and you know,
(06:31):
into your older age.
You just we decline much quickerhere because of our toxicity
exposure.
SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
Yeah.
Okay, so speaking of toxicity,leaky gut, we've all heard of
it, I'm sure.
But then you've got leaky braintoo.
Explain to us first leaky gutand then how that incorporates
into leaky brain.
SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
So, like you said, speaking of the toxins, leaky
gut is so prominent.
I have one of the tests that Ilike to do has like a leaky gut
score on it.
And I've never ran it onsomebody that's been a membrane,
except for my kids.
And I'm only saying that becauseI don't typically run it on kids
(07:18):
because I don't like to do bloodwork on kids.
We just try to stick with muscletesting.
But of course, with my kids, I'mlike, I want to see where
everything's at.
They had been, they had zeroantibiotics, they haven't had
any vaccinations, and they werestill borderline on the
moderate, like still in thegreen, close to the yellow.
So that just shows even likeworking, trying to stay healthy
(07:40):
and knowing the things I know.
My two youngest, of course, mytwo oldest, I didn't know they
were vaccinated and grew up, youknow, on frozen foods and
processed foods and all thethings, but most people are in
red on the leaky gut score.
And so the reason is we have thehighest vaccination rate in the
country.
Our kids get over 80vaccinations by the time they're
(08:03):
18 if they follow the regularschedule, which is absurd.
It's absolutely crazy.
So, what happens is these toxinscause inflammation throughout
the whole body, and so it's thetight junctions that are in our
gut, they're supposed to be liketight together, they start to
open up.
And so then undigested food andother things that should stay in
(08:24):
the gut can leak out and causeinflammation through our whole
body.
Other contributors, like I said,antibiotics and steroids are
huge acid anti acids, those arehorrible on the gut, cause like
you gut as well.
Sugar, processed foods, gluten,our flour is so far removed from
traditional grain.
We've actually just recentlystarted.
SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
I like the way you said that.
So far removed from traditionalgrain.
SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
Yeah.
So we actually got some organicancient grain and we actually
mill it at home and make our ownflour.
And my kids think it's so fun.
We recently changed the recipethat we had.
It's always been sourdough, sowe always use sourdough, but we
actually changed our sourdoughto fresh mill flour instead of
buying, you know, like theorganic unbleached flour.
(09:10):
It still doesn't have anynutrients, like just it's just
flour, like there's no nutrientdensity to it.
We switched to fresh milled, andI only switched 30% of the flour
in this recipe because I waslike, I didn't know fresh mill
flour is so different, you know,uh when you use it to cook.
And my daughter, who normallydoesn't eat the little sourdough
(09:31):
muffins, ate like four of them.
And she's like, These almosttaste like a cookie because it
had so much flavor, and I onlyswitched 30% of the flour, and
this was just last week.
And so now we're slowlytransitioning all of our flour
over to fresh milk flour becausegluten is terrible.
And I tell people, like, it'snot really the gluten
sensitivity, it's like it's theflour in our country.
So we started with pine corn andthen they start hybridizing
(09:54):
these grains to make them growfaster and where they could
actually process them whenthey're shorter, a shorter plant
to it initially started, youknow, for to make sure that they
could actually feed everybody indroughts and things like that.
But it just kept continuing.
And so now it's such a difficultprotein to break down.
(10:15):
If you buy any flour from thestore, it's going to cause
inflammation in the gut.
So if you can't get fresh milk,sourdough, grains, and bread
from somebody and you can't makeit yourself.
I just say stay, stay away fromgluten.
So another one that people don'tthink of is stress and not
getting enough sleep.
Those will actually cause leakygut.
All of those hormones worktogether.
(10:37):
So those are really the mainthings.
How that connects to your brainis your gut is your second
brain.
I always like to use analogy,like almost everyone is pretty
well aware if you give a kidlike lots of sugar and dye, like
you should give them a bag ofSkittles or something, most kids
are gonna like lose their mind.
They're not gonna be able to payattention, they're gonna have
(10:58):
behavioral issues, like dye andsugar make kids crazy.
And most people are pretty onboard with that now.
Most people can see thedifference in their kids when
they remove that.
And so the fact that you'reeating that and it makes their
brain like literally on fire,like then just their
neurotransmitters are just goingcrazy, that's the gut brain
connection.
What you're eating is directlyaffecting your brain, whether
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your gut is healed or not isdirectly affecting the
production of neurotransmitters,and then also the the
methylation factors too.
So, like, you know, if you haveneurotransmitters as they break
down and methylate and transferto other neurotransmitters, if
you can't make that processhappen, you may have too much of
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an excitatory neurotransmitterand not enough of a calming one,
and kids will get ticks anddystomia and tremors and things
like that because they don'thave enough GABA or some you
know neuro calmingneurotransmitters.
So that can be a problem too.
And so for kids, I always saycut out gluten, dyes, and sugar
and make a massive difference ifyou have kids with autism, ADHD,
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behavior, you know, behavioralissues, anything that could be,
you know, neurological, that'sreally gonna be probably the
first thing that I wouldrecommend.
Other signs to look for, like ifyou're not sure if your kid has
leaky gut, they probably do.
Other signs to look for.
SPEAKER_01 (12:22):
If they live in America, just assume it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
Right.
It's kind of like, do you haveparasites?
Yes, you do.
Eczema is a really big one.
So your skin is gonna directlyreflect your gut health as well.
Um, if they have constipation,they probably or diarrhea or
back and forth, like they justdon't have regular bowel
movements, they complain of oftummy aches.
Um, and then if they have anythose neurological symptoms,
those are all really good signsthat you could probably
(12:46):
guarantee they've got some leakygut going on.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
So yeah, for for me and my two girls, we don't do
dairy.
My husband doesn't do dairyeither.
And for some reason, Ethan's theonly one that does in on small
amounts.
So it's like I have to get I gethim the milk because he doesn't
do he's allergic to nuts.
So it's like I gotta we gottatransition, but like y'all
notice with Holly.
(13:09):
I just wrote on my notes, like,I need to buy more enzymes for
Holly.
We ran out of we ran out ofenzymes for her.
And so I'll be like, mom, mytummy hurts.
I'm like, okay, well, have yougone in the bathroom?
What have you eaten?
The enzymes really help.
I I am not perfect in my glow,and I'm not perfect in my
children, I am not perfect in mydiet.
So I will help them in otherways as I as I that I can.
(13:31):
But so your mom out there, thereare people like LaCrista, who
is, I don't know how she does itall, where she's running two
brick and mortar practices, plusmaking all these homemade
delicious things for her kids.
And I am not a baker.
I kitchen, I have a greatkitchen, but it's not the place
I want to be cooking and baking.
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
Well, we homeschool, and so it's a you know, a lot of
times we use that as part of ourlesson.
Like we don't uh we try to stayaway from, I won't say we won't
eat processed dairy, we try tostay away from pasteurize and
processed dairy, but we get rawmilk from a dairy farm.
And so dairy itself isn't reallyinflammatory.
There are people who are lactoseintolerant, but most people,
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dairy is not inflammatory if youget raw dairy.
It's got the bacteria and theenzymes in the milk to break it
down, and so then it's veryeasy.
Like my kids can do it.
You know, we heat up the milk,add a little apple cider
vinegar, it separates.
You can make cottage cheese,mozzarella cheese, all of that.
And so that's just usually partof their little lessons.
They know how to feed thesourdough starter, they mix
(14:35):
their own muffins, and sothere's good life skills, you
know.
Um, and I want I was talking toa client the other day, and she
said, the reason parents arehaving trouble raising their
kids is because they're notasking their parents for help
and they're not asking theirgrandparents for help, and we're
losing generational information.
And so all the way back, my mom,my grandma, and my
great-grandma, none of themcooked on on my mom's side, on
(14:59):
my my grandma or my grandma'sside, on my dad's side that had
a very good cook.
My grandma unfortunately passedaway when I was younger, so I
didn't get any of thatinformation.
So I'm really trying toself-teach to make sure I pass
that down because when I was incollege, it was so crazy.
I was raised on, you know,hamburger helper and grilled
(15:19):
cheese and hot dogs, and Ididn't know how to make bread.
Like I didn't know anythingabout yeast making bread rice.
I'd never heard of sourdough.
I didn't know you could makeyour own noodles.
I we didn't know how to processour own meat, like none of that.
And so it was so crazy to methat I want my kids to know that
like that is how we're supposedto eat.
(15:40):
We made liver, like chickenlivers the other night and tell
my kids what they were, and theywere like, What is this?
You know, because liver is likethe most abundant in nutrients,
and so we actually uh cure itand then mix a little bit of it
with like our ground beef sothat they get the liver instead
of you know, they do take beeforganic capsules as well.
But yeah, I mean, changing adiet back to the traditional
(16:03):
diet can literally just startthe healing process.
That is something every time youeat.
I tell my clients, you're eitherpoisoning your body or you're
healing it every time you eat.
So that and and you can't alwayschoose the best thing, but
there's always a betteralternative.
You know, if you're out at arestaurant, there's always one
alternative that's better, youknow.
The grilled chicken might becooked in canola oil, but at
(16:26):
least it's not deep fried withyou know gluten or whatever.
So the fry, yeah, that's fine onthe back outside of it.
We've talked about 8020.
We we talk about 8020 a lot.
SPEAKER_01 (16:35):
Good, better, best is another rule, too.
Yes, for not just your kids, butfor yourself as well.
Like we gotta give ourselves uhgrace as well.
So, okay, that's how leaking gutoccurs.
Same thing if it's happening inyour gut, it's happening in your
brain.
SPEAKER_00 (16:52):
So where your your your gut lining breaks down, you
also in the brain, it's theblood brain barrier.
So everybody's heard of theblood brain barrier.
It's it's supposed to be kind oflike I mean, imagine like a
privacy fence, you know, theslats are really close together.
You should, but you can stillget some things through, just
not very much.
So the I haven't heard of thatcorrelation before.
SPEAKER_01 (17:15):
That's a good one with the privacy fence.
That makes so much sense.
SPEAKER_00 (17:19):
So it's you know, the they're supposed to be very
tiny openings, and and it'sdesigned where the openings big
enough where only the nutrientsand water and things that need
to get through can get through.
But what happens a lot of timesis you know, inflammation,
toxins, all of those things canmake those openings a little bit
wider.
(17:40):
One thing that happens a lot oftimes is if kids have eczema or
allergies and they get hit, youknow, histamine.
So the the purpose of histamineis to open up the blood vessels
to get so that more immune cellscan get in to heal it.
So everything in our body, likeI said, happens for a reason.
But it also sometimes if it'schronic or long term, then
(18:02):
that's when the injury to thebody starts to happen.
So histamine comes in withallergies or eczema, or you just
get sick or something, theseblood vessels open up, the blood
brain barrier opens up to try toget more immune cells in.
But then when this is chronic,then bacteria, toxins,
medications, you know, dies andsugar, all of this stuff starts
(18:23):
to get into the brain becauseyour blood brain barriers opened
up because your histamine levelsare high.
So we've heard of like mast cellactivation syndrome.
This is just like chronichistamine elevation.
Your map cells are just pumpingout this histamine.
So that is another issue, too.
So if people have autoimmunityof any sort, any kind of
(18:43):
autoimmune disease, they mostlikely have leaky brain.
And so that's something that youalways have to heal the gut, but
you also need to heal the brain.
Healing the brain's hard becauseyou've got to sleep.
You have to sleep.
SPEAKER_01 (18:56):
And and that's also we're like chronic insomnia in
this country, nobody was I uhwoke up this morning on the
couch because my littletwo-year-old came into the
bedroom who still hasn't slept,she slept through the night one
time in her entire life.
SPEAKER_00 (19:14):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
So when she came into the room last night, I'm
like, lift her up.
But between my husband, wholikes to take up a lot of space,
claims it's his broad shoulder.
I'm just like, forget it.
You two can go on the bed, Iwill go sleep on the couch.
SPEAKER_00 (19:34):
Um, what we see a lot too is, I mean, think about
it, there's a lot of kids thathave neurological issues that
don't sleep well.
And so, you know, finding waysthrough like magnesium or even
microdose melatonin and thingsto get them to sleep.
But something that's reallyinteresting is there's a lot of
conditions where I say, like,what came first, the chicken or
the egg?
(19:55):
Like, you know, that kind ofthing.
So with say autism and ADHD,there were some post-mortem
studies that they did on thebrain where they found
spirochetes from Lyme's diseasein the brain of autistic kids.
And I can't remember if thestudy was on neurological
conditions in general, andthings like maybe Parkinson's
ADHD and autism, but Ispecifically was studying about
(20:16):
autism, so I remember thatspecifically, but they were
finding spirochet in the brainpost-mortem.
So after these people havepassed away.
And so the question was did theLyme disease come in because the
blood-brain barrier was leaky?
Obviously, it had to be leaky tosome degree for that to get in.
Or once the bacteria got in, isthat what triggered the autism?
(20:41):
Was Lyme's disease in the brain?
So we know about heavy metals.
We know heavy metals can triggerthat.
That's another findingpost-mortem or high high
aluminum.
We see this with Alzheimer's aswell.
But the spirit in the brain wasvery interesting because they
were like, okay, was a bloodbrain barrier leaky already?
This bacteria comes in and thenthey have these problems.
(21:03):
What I will say is bacteria isvery difficult to detox from the
brain.
When we start detoxing thesekids, their symptoms usually get
worse before they get better.
They'll start having morebehavioral problems, they'll
start stemming, they'll starthaving accidents.
I actually just was messagingwith a mom just about an hour
ago.
We started her daughter on adetox, and she's been detoxing
for a while, but we really kindof cranked it up and added a
(21:27):
blend that has some cilantro inthere, which helps pull some
heavy metals.
But she's been on, you know,zeolites and binders and stuff
in the past, but this onespecifically just really
triggered some things from forher.
She started stimming and havingaccidents, which is, you know,
typical regression with a detoxreaction in an autistic kiddo.
And so we just pulled her backon the supplement.
(21:48):
We were, you know, she was justdetoxing a little bit too fast.
But that just shows that if youhave a neurological condition
and your brain's leaky,post-mortem, they're finding all
of this stuff in the brain thatshould have never gotten in.
And so a lot of us walk aroundall day with leaky brain.
So that's what they're trying todetermine is like, is it it's
they have leaky brain, maybethey have a little ADHD, a
(22:10):
little brain fog.
Is it once the bacteria comes inthat they're getting the
full-blown autism?
Is it the the heavy metals?
Or is it that this stuff was,you know, it was already there
before.
And so that's kind of whatthey're trying to determine.
But the the mitochondriafunction is another thing that
(22:31):
with the brain is our ourbrain's only two percent of our
body weight, but it uses 20% ofour ATP that's produced.
So it's a very high energeticorgan.
And so if your ATP or yourmitochondria cellular function
is low, your brain cannot worklike it like it needs to.
And so that's really important.
(22:52):
We work, and I talk with myclients all about mitochondria
and ATP production, ways to keepthat that up because and you
know, sleep and exercise andsunlight, and all of that's
really important because that'show we charge our battery and
mitochondria or our batteries,you know, that's how we charge
them.
People aren't ex we look at welook at screens all day.
(23:13):
We don't ever get naturalsunlight.
So red light therapy is reallygreat.
You know, like I leave my housemost of the time, I leave my
house before the sun's up.
So we use like a 10,000 lux luxlamp, we use a loom box for red
light, we use all these thingsto keep our mitochondria
function up and keep ourcircadian rhythm set because
(23:34):
it's just the way that we live,we're not out.
I mean, there are times on theweekends, you know, Friday,
Saturday, Sunday where we'reoutside through the week, we
just aren't exposed to thosethings.
SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
Well, especially when the time's about to change
and it's all now get dark at 530.
Yes, for sure.
We live in 2025, seriously.
Yes, for sure.
One of my biggest pet peevesthat still exist.
So just to recap here, we got uma couple of different things
that you've said about healingthe brain.
(24:04):
One mitochondria and your ATPproduction.
You know, I go back to highschool and I think in high
school we did those cellularmodules where you put like one
mitochondria on the cell, andthat's totally not reality.
Thousands and thousands ofmitochondria inside every single
(24:24):
cell in our body, and thatmitochondria is responsible for
producing ATP.
You go back to high schoolagain, and you think about the
Krebs cycle, and the Krebs cycleis taking protein fats and
carbohydrates and convertingthat into the ATP for your
energy.
What happens in themitochondria?
So a little bit about whatmitochondria is, or is the
(24:48):
appropriate term.
You said you can't heal thebrain without sleep.
One day I'm gonna sleep throughthe night.
I don't know when, but one day.
And then red light therapy.
Is there like a home unit thatyou suggest for red light
therapy?
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
I like the loom box just because they're portable
and they're small.
That's typically the one I'mgonna have to actually order a
second one.
My son moved to college, he's afootball player, and so he has
taken my loom box for all of hisinjuries, and I have not I have
not seen it since he moved out.
So we're gonna have to getanother one because my little
kids love it when they get sick.
(25:23):
You have a link for that?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:25):
On my Instagram, I've got a link tree that has
all my will you shoot it over tome and then I'll post it in the
show notes.
Yeah, for sure.
I'm sure is there an affiliatefee to it?
Like you might as well get some.
SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Yeah, I love the limb box.
It's one thing that I recommendto a lot of my clients as well.
We use limbbox, like I said,until my son ran off with it
when he got his first collegefootball injury.
We were we use it all the time.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Okay.
Super, super golden, goldeninformation here.
Talking about leaky got leakybrain and how they were
interchangeable almost,practically, anyways.
Krista, share with us a story ortwo about what you've seen
individuals go through and theiroutcomes.
SPEAKER_00 (26:14):
Like I said, I mean the most prominent ones that I
probably work with are autistickids.
And there's, you know, a hugemisconception that this cannot
be reversed.
And in all cases, I will saycomplete reversal.
I mean, there are a lot of caseswhere that's not, I'm not gonna
say that's not possible.
We haven't gotten there yet, iswhat I'll say, because we are
(26:37):
gonna stay hopeful and we knowthat these kids have come a long
ways.
Uh, but we've had several kidswho tested on the spectrum and
then they retake the test andthey're not on the spectrum
anymore.
So for some reason, a lot ofpeople in this community, you
know, I I made a post about thisone time with a little boy who
came in and had just redone histest.
He was no longer on thespectrum, he didn't have an IEP
(26:59):
at school, he was sitting innormal class.
You would never know that thiskid had been diagnosed with
autism.
Um, we made a post and I didn'tsay, you know, we had reversed
his autism, I didn't say any ofthat.
I just said he had tested on thespectrum.
Um two years later, he's off thespectrum on as far as his test
is concerned.
And it went crazy.
These people were pissed.
(27:20):
Like you can community, and I'mlike, wow, like, why would you
not want to offer some hope?
Like, I'm seeing this with myown eyes every day.
We're you know, they're they'renot talking, and we start
detoxing them and ramping uptheir mitochondria, and they
(27:41):
just start spilling words likewithin a week, these kids are
talking, and that's not alwaysthe case, but that happens a lot
of the time, and it's like it'samazing, and so we have to
really be careful about how muchwe talk about that, you know.
You're you're challengingbeliefs, yeah, and people don't
like their belief challenged,you know, and a lot of the times
(28:02):
I think these people know deepdown that it could potentially
have been the vaccine injury,like they saw this happen, and I
think a lot of it is, you know,maybe some subconscious guilt,
and they don't want to admitthat that could have an action
on their part could havepotentially caused this, and I
understand that, but also Ithink you know, digging deep and
(28:22):
discovering that there are sideeffects to everything, and
instead of taking your platformand your situation and your
story to educate other people soit doesn't happen to other kids
is a much stronger way to gothan to just suppress it.
And I feel like that is the casebecause the moms that come out
that and and speak about theirchild's situation, they are like
(28:44):
it's crazy that people don'twant to.
I'm I'm going to talk about mykids' progress, I'm going to
talk about their conditional,I'm going to tell people their
story.
And by doing that, they're ableto help other people and they're
giving them options.
And but yeah, I mean, it's veryrewarding to see.
And like I said, even changingthese kids' diet, getting
(29:06):
getting dairy and gluten out oftheir diet temporarily.
It's crazy.
In the gut of autistic kids,there's a book that's called
Healing the Symptoms Known asAutism.
It is not being publishedanymore.
I bought my coffee, it was over$300.
I was surprised.
It was over$300 on eBay becausethere aren't very many coffees
(29:27):
and it have been pulled down.
And in this book, it talks abouta study where the in the gut of
a typical autistic kid, becausethe gut microbiome is so
disruptive, these kids almostalways have gut issues, leaky
gut, leaky brain, that when theyeat gluten and dairy, it turns
into a chemical that is similarto morphine.
(29:47):
And so they're literally walkingaround feeling like they're
high.
And so when you cut that out oftheir diet, their brain starts
to come into focus, and it willdramatically change their
behaviors.
And these parents are.
Like, well, this is all they'lleat.
And I'm like, you have to startchanging things one thing at a
time.
Like, you've got to startexposing them.
And I know it's hard.
(30:08):
And I know we all, you know, wework and we're busy.
And but you wouldn't give yourkid morphine.
You know, you've got to findalternatives.
There's so many alternatives.
And so we'll just start, youknow, if they'll need chicken
nuggets and macaroni and cheese.
Let's find a gluten-freemacaroni.
Let's just start there.
You might have to try 16different brands of gluten-free
macaroni and cheese.
I don't even care if it's in thebox.
(30:29):
Get a gluten-free.
You know, and then we'll switchchicken nuggets.
You know, cook them differently,cook them in the oven.
Don't cook them in themicrowave, vice versa.
You know, like just and I don'teven care if it's microwave, I
don't care if it's processed.
Work on those very smalltransitions, especially if
they're only eating three orfour foods.
If you could switch two of them,you've changed 50% of their
diet.
And so we make really slowchanges, and I don't have like
(30:52):
unrealistic expectations.
I don't expect like those arethose are doable shifts.
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yeah.
Like you're not saying cut out,cut this out, cut this out, eat
this whole brand new food.
Like, no, if they're gonna eatchicken, nuggets, and mac and
cheese, then just get the bestversion of them.
SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
I mean, like I said, our own flour and drink raw milk
and make our own cheese.
I'm not asking people to dothat.
I live that way because I feellike that's important to give my
kids, you know, that kind ofdiet and I want and we
homeschool and it's educationfor them.
And I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
I remember when you were telling when you were
talking about the raw milk.
My I come from a family of dairyfarmers in central Utah.
And growing up, we would just goget milk from the pasture.
Yeah.
And then somebody kind of alongthe lines told my grandma that
we couldn't had to be processed,so we couldn't do that anymore.
(31:46):
And that was like probably whenI was a teenager, so 25 years
ago, 20 years ago.
And now they've since passed.
But I remember those daysgrowing up where we just went
out to the farm and grabbed ourmilk.
SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
A little backstory on that.
So I always tell people LouisPasteur, so his last name is
Pasteur.
That's where the wordpasteurized comes from.
Louis Pasteur was a fraud.
And he admitted on his deathbedthat all of his research was
altered and that he was neverable to fulfill Cook's
postulates, where it's youidentify the bacteria in the
(32:19):
milk, you give it to somebody,they get sick, and then you
identify it in the stool, sothey have to, you know, it has
to pass through.
He was never able to fulfillthat proving causation.
And he lied and said that he didbecause he couldn't admit that
he was wrong.
And so that completely, youknow, that could go into the
whole germ theory versus terraintheory.
(32:39):
They've never been able to provethat taking a virus into your
body actually causes symptoms orbacteria.
Bacteria is natural, nature'snatural biodegraders.
It breaks down, it eats deadtissue.
So if you have an area of injuryor inflammation, bacteria comes
in to clean that area up.
If you take antibiotics and killout the bacteria, then that area
(33:00):
stays inflamed.
That can lead to disease andautoimmunity and cancer.
You want that bacteria there.
You just want to support yourbody through the healing
process.
People have to understand ourbodies know what they're doing.
We need to support it, not tryto stop it and reroute it,
because by doing that, you'recausing more damage.
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Complete opposite of life.
And you know, we had this littleprofessor here.
I I think he had little mansyndrome because he was like
five two and walked aroundcampus like he owned the place,
and people were intimidated byhim because of that that uh
little man syndrome.
(33:50):
And he was the one that alwayscranked down on research and
research and research.
And I'm like, look, someone hasto pay for the research for one.
Two, you can find researchbacking up anything you want to
find it on.
All the money.
It's the money, like I was uh Iwas a rebel even in school.
I'm just like, you can, yeah,give me some research, but I
(34:12):
want to know all the backgroundbehind like why did they even do
the research?
Because there's still motivationfor them behind that.
And then, of course, we have theTylenol research that came out.
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
I think it's like Coca-Cola and who's the other
one?
Like uh, I don't know, like oneof the other like candy
companies.
It's like what they're thebiggest companies and they're
funding all the food research.
Like, you can phenomenal thatresearch isn't biased.
Like, yeah, maybe also told thiscanola oil was safe.
Like, what are we doing?
SPEAKER_01 (34:46):
Yeah.
So take your research with agrain of salt and dive in
deeper.
There's a reason behind theresearch.
You gotta find the reason.
So don't just jump onto Chat GPTand let it pull from its main
source of Reddit and provide youeverything that you think you
are wanting.
Anyways, just so you all know,that is LaCrista Odell.
(35:09):
She was once a registered nurse.
So if you're feeling intimidatedby learning something completely
new, well, she's done it andshe's conquered it, and she's
helping thousands and millionsof other people heal because of
that big leap she took.
So, whatever you're doing inyour life, if there's a big leap
you're trying to take, take it.
(35:30):
I will help you create anunshakable brain.
And I kind of laughed when I Iinvited her on and said, You
have an unshakable brain.
She's like, No, I don't.
Like, I'm pretty sure it'spretty close to being an
unshakable brain.
If you can do what you do on thesocials and do what you do in
business and block out all thenaysayers, it's unshakable.
(35:52):
All right, LaCrista, where canthey learn more about you?
Yeah, yeah.
Do it, finish.
Where can they learn more aboutyou?
SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
Yeah, so uh nativewellness llc.com, and then
my Instagram is at laChristoDell.
SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
Go get the real truth from her Instagram page.
All right, guys, that's a wrap.
Unshakable brain.
If you could go like thepodcast, send it to a friend,
and leave a review, I wouldgreatly appreciate it.
Until next time.
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