Buried Truths: Smugglers, Serial Killers, and Lost Families

In this episode, we break down Unsolved Mysteries Season 3, Episode 22, featuring one of the most elaborate drug smuggling tunnel operations ever discovered along the U.S.–Mexico border, a chilling execution-style murder linked to a possible serial killer, a powerful DNA and family reunion story, and a desperate search for biological parents to solve a child’s medical mystery. From a hidden underground cocaine tunnel in Douglas, Arizona, to a deadly encounter at a Virginia singles bar, this episode explores double lives, hidden identities, and the lasting consequences of buried secrets.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everybody, I'm Sierra and I'm Bet and welcome back
to another episode of The Unsolved Couple. Every week been
and I recapt one of your original gateway drugs into
true crime.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
That's all mysteries.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
The sign was not necessary. It's late night for us.
We're just getting started, you guys, and it's nine to
thirty at nights, So everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Buckle up, up, buckled.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Are you clicked in click ready to experience late night
shenanigans with me and you? I guess so on here
we are on a weeknight, not in bed by eight thirty.
Oh no, welcome back, everybody. We are excited that you
guys are here with us. Everyone hopefully is like getting

(00:59):
ready for holiday celebrations. Are you getting excited for Christmas?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah? Yeah, I like Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm actually looking forward to this next several weeks, or
actually just these next few weeks. We don't have a
ton of stuff on our schedule. And that's the first
time in a long time that we've kind of taken
a step back from community events and all different kinds
of things.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Fun fact, a few years ago, our entire family was
in the Christmas Carol, a local production, and Ben, you guys,
in his debut premiere on stage, played mister cratch It
Bob cratch It, and he heel clicked on stage coming
out at the door. Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, that was a pretty That was a fun Ben
in character.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, we had a fun time. Yeah, all of us
were in a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, it was great. But it's also been a goal
of mine this year to kind of try to simplify
things around the holidays, and I'm really grateful we haven't.
We didn't travel this year anywhere on the holidays. We
didn't make any big plans, no big commitments, and I'm
really enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah. I only got a lot of our Christmas shop
and done already.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
So which is a miracle.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I know. It's all a big win. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
So we hope you guys are all enjoying whatever holiday
you guys are celebrating, and that you're getting to do
it with friends or family or cozied up at home
enjoying quiet time. But I've been leaning into the world
of puzzles lately.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I love a good puzzle, Love a good.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Puzzle, good evening at home, fireplace on Great British baking
show or some cheesy Christmas movie. It's not, but it's.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
One of my favorite. I can't say I gotta leave
the room when it's to leave the room.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Or a cheesy Christmas movie.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I do love a good cheesy Christmas movie and a puzzle,
and a puzzle that is a good night.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
It had Yeah, ten out of ten. Recommend you guys
do that.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Are falling asleep right now? Listen just hearing that.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's a cozy evening at home.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Okay, it's a good I so we did last night.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, Weekend, season three, episode twenty two. We are done,
wrapped up season three, not done with the podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, you said only three?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
You said I never said that.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
You said no?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Do you know that? There's so I was looking on
YouTube the other day. There's like ten seasons of Unsolved
Mysteries with Robert Stack. I think there's twelve twelve, and
then down below that is another season with a different host,
and that's got like eight seasons as well. So we
we've got some time. Buckle in.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I can't tell people about you watched The Diddy Thing.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Oh yes, real quick, real quick, just because it is
true crime adjacent. I watched the Diddy documentary. First off,
my new question I'm going to ask myself when someone
does something that maybe bothers me, because I'm going to say,

(04:33):
what would fifty do?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
What would fifty do? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
What would you do? Because that man, when it comes
to playing the long game, or pettiness or revenge or
just like holding a grudge and then getting back in
the best way, has taught us a new level.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I'm here for yeah him, Well, have you showed me
the clip of him buying like the first four rows
of was it Jow Rules Jaw Rule show so that
they were empty?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah? And then he played it off like he was
doing Joe rule of favor, like we gotta really you
gotta find out if you're really a performer or not.
When you show up to your stage and there's no
one in and I've been on stage before, you can't
see much past the first couple rows.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Did? I am here for it and I like it.
I like what he brings to the trolling world.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah. So, so I'll say I watched all. I watched
the entire documentary. I had watched the first two episodes,
I think before you kind of got roped into.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I just saw the last, did you follow.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
The trial or anything? No, so, how do I how
do you feel? Because I knew a lot of this
stuff already. I have opinions like the two jurors that
they interviewed, The first didn't look good because the first
guy was victim blaming and misogynistic, and then the second

(06:06):
girl said or the girl that they interviewed said she
wasn't really a fan of P Diddy, She just kind
of knew of him, but then went on to describe
nuances from his TV his MTV show Making the Band
or something, and was like, I had this grin on

(06:29):
her face and talking about these nuances and eye contacts
and connection that she had with him. It wasn't a
good look on that aspect. No, No, So I don't
know what did What did you think.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Of the one and a half episode and I saw
or just the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
I mean, you came in, you were not into true crime.
You didn't follow this and used it was saying.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I knew what his charges were and I knew what
he was convicted of. I saw I followed that. Yeah,
but yeah, I mean I didn't really follow and I
didn't rate a ton up on him. So I can't
speak to a lot of that. I mean, clearly he's
a bad dude. Yeah, but it's unfortunate that he is

(07:20):
not going to be in prison for very long. Yeah,
he's just a bad guy.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
And he brought up a really good point when we
were talking about it later, was he didn't do this alone.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
No, and that's yeah, there had to be.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
A whole network. He was the spider, but there was
a web behind him for sure.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, so a lot of bad people evolved around him.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I don't know, I just it comes down to me
not only greed, but highly insecure men with money just
unable to deal with any sort of person, especially you know,
in his case, themes pushing back, challenging him, being more

(08:07):
to him. Here's the thing I actually saw in this dog.
He's not a good rapper. He doesn't rap. He just
talks into a microphone and he's not good at it.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah. And I didn't never listen to his music, so yeah, no,
and I didn't see any of the beginnings.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
And it was a terrible he's a terrible dancer. He
inserted himself into everything where he was unwanted and unwelcomed.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
It called the video of him that I saw he
is clearly on something.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Oh the amount of drugs that they found just in
his hotel room was wild. I don't know. So if
you guys haven't checked that out, that it's a very
good documentary. But we are talking about unsolved mysteries, not
solved true crimes, and we can all agree on that P.

(08:58):
Didy is a loser. And yeah, fifty cent, I have nothing,
but you know what a big, big fan, bigger fan
than I've ever been. I have nothing negative to say
about him. I think he's ten out of ten would
recommend never want to be on that guy's bad side. So,

(09:20):
while I don't think he's a big fan of True
Crime podcast, if he's ever listening, Viddy, you're all good
in my books. So, but I have a story to
tell you today about Raphael cama Rena. Pretty sure that's
how you say his name? Interesting, Okay, international disclosure. A

(09:46):
lot of this is in Spanish, and I am terrible
at Spanish, so forgive me. Douglas. Arizona is a small
town just across the border from Agua Porita, Mexico. Then
is that how you say it?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I go Parita.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah. The area is known as Cocaine Alley. Full disclosure.
I don't think it's known as that anymore, but at
the time, cocaine was a very popular drug of choice,
but it got that nickname because of the large amount
of cocaine being brought from Agua Parita into Douglas. In

(10:29):
the fall of nineteen eighty eight, Mexican national Raphael Camarina
began to cross the border daily into Douglas. He owned
a concrete mixing company in Douglas, Arizona, and was struggling
to make his business successful. So for anyone listening to

(10:50):
this who's not from Arizona, there is some great b
roll on this episode of Fundsalve Mysteries. But Douglas is
a very very tiny town. And literally you can stand
in Douglas and look right across and see Mexico. You
walk right across, back and forth, very very close. It

(11:12):
is on the border. So people, yeah, they lived in
Mexico and would potentially just come across to work in Douglas.
So within a few months of Raphael had secured agreement
to supply concrete for many of the municipal construction projects
in Douglas, and in nineteen eighty nine he constructed a

(11:36):
large warehouse in the town Douglas, Arizona, just across the border,
and built a four bedroom ranch style home. By all accounts,
he seemed to be a nice, family oriented man. His
friends and employees in Douglas, however, were unaware that he

(11:59):
had a little side business at a hustle if you
might say, okay, because he was actually involved in drug smuggling.
So yeah, So there is a little law enforcement agency

(12:20):
down there called US Customs, and the officials down there
received information that he was smuggling drugs from his home
in Mexico into Douglas warehouse.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Okay, the warehouse he owned.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
The warehouse he owned owned. Yes, house to warehouse, Mexico
to Arizona. H But how is the question? So Robert
comes on and he's walking through the streets of Douglas, Arizona,
and he lets us know that agents had started staking

(13:00):
out his business and that this operation went on for
over two months, and they became suspicious of a flatbed
truck that arrived and departed from the warehouse nearly every day,
and on occasion agents followed the truck from the warehouse

(13:27):
to a rural area outside of Phoenix. Agents later raided
the farm where his truck was last seen, and inside
a farmhouse, agents seized over a ton of cocaine. Not
a ton of cocaine, but the metric ton two thousand
pounds thank you, valued at the time of a million dollars.

(13:53):
Two thousand pounds of cocaine. Is a shiz ton of cocaine.
That's a lot of cocaine, Yes, it is. It's a
lot that would make the news for sure. Wasn't there
just a really big seizure recently, Yes, not far from
where we live in Serita, Arizona, right they it was

(14:17):
it cocaine as well? Or was it heroin? Do you
remember it was on the news? Not too long. It
was literally while I was studying this. It was on
a railroad track. So we've got a ton of train
tracks here that transport a lot of stuff for the mines.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, about a nine pounds of math then ten
pounds of cocaine.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah. So it still is happening to this day. But
at the time, are you what? So ert Robert sexually
the very beginnings and I should drop the sound biten
he comes on and tells us about what what was
happening at this time? Ben the federal government was doing
what war on drugs and now we know today was

(15:03):
that a successful or unsuccessful?

Speaker 2 (15:06):
It just depends on how you.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I guess, there's just yeah, we didn't really get as
ahead of that, I think as they thought that they
were going to clearly with what just happened not too
far from here. But because of that, that is actually
why they're sharing the story on Unsolved Mysteries, is they're
trying to help support the war on drugs. And Robert

(15:28):
has this very eloquent way of talking about this. And
so they find a ton of cocaine and that the
cocaine had been transported inside a hidden compartment on the truck,
not a new concept either. The raid confirmed that the
drugs had come from the warehouse. However, the agents were

(15:53):
still very confused. They didn't understand how he could have
smuggled the drugs into his warehouse when it was constantly
under surveillance. Been any thoughts on that they'd been watching it,
Nothing had come in interesting. However, the side agents received

(16:22):
a tip that there was a tunnel under the ground.
You can't go over, and you can't go through, you
can sometimes go under. Yeah, and this must have been
a fairly new phenomenon, because this now to phenomena do

(16:42):
do do? The idea of tunnels along the southern border
between California, Arizona, and Texas is not to us a
new concept, but it seemed at the time that this
was a pretty novel idea and that that tunnel between
Mexico and Arizona was being used for smuggling. Two days later,

(17:04):
agents from both the United States and Mexico launched raids
on the warehouse and the home. Two men claiming to
just be simple gardeners were arrested and his family, though
had fled the scene. Agents found a large floor drain

(17:24):
in the warehouse. Opening the drain, they found a thirty
foot deep shaft at the bottom a tunnel. The tunnel
was well constructed. Its roof, floor, and walls were all
made up concrete.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Excuse concrete. Oh my god, it all all makes sense now.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
It extended more than two hundred feet into Mexico. Agents
discovered that draw pistol pistols pedestal, But can you imagine
if hydraulic pistols came out.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I will say the contraption he had at his house
was sweet, was genius?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, there's some pool table.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, and he flipped the switch in it went. It
was very like James Bond, Yes, James Bond.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah. So the as Ben said, it wasn't pistols, it
was pedestals lifted the pool table in the basement and
that was the other entrance into the tunnel. Huge amounts
of drugs could be stored below until they were ready
to move across the border. A specially designed cart was

(18:49):
used to transport the drugs through the tunnel. A custom
made hoist was used to bring the druggles the drugs
into the warehouse. Ruggles, the struggles, guys, it's past, it's
almost clock. Bear with me, and workers that would place
the drugs onto the false floor of the truck. This
allowed the truck to freely move drugs throughout the United

(19:13):
States without US Customs officials knowledge authorities.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
What it's called smuggling.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah yeah, I mean, I am sure at the time
this was a huge bust.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. And not just busting finding that,
but you're completely.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Shutting down a huge operation. Yeah of operation, and they
will say you had it also required working on both
sides of the border, which I'm sure in itself is
a logistical nightmare. There's probably a lot of paperwork that
needs to be filed in order to to do that.

(20:00):
And where do you figure out under the ground where
the borderline is? These are all questions that I don't
have the answers to. Okay, However, here is the problem,
you guys, and this is where Unsolved Mysteries is coming in.
Not only letting us know about the amazing work that

(20:24):
the women and men on the US border are doing
to keep America safe against cocaine, but this gentleman that
they lost, the suspect, We got the drugs, drugs have insecure.
The gardeners those are taking care of as well. However,

(20:46):
the main man in the operation has yet to be found.
He fled the scene. So Rafael has not been seen
since Rael. Isn't that his name? And a EA Raphael
like that or Rafael has not been seen since nineteen ninety.

(21:09):
Also wanted by authorities in the architect of the tunnel
is a man named Felipe de Jesus Cornado. Mailbird started
Felipe Jesus Cornada the birthday. He's the man that constructed
the tunnel. Okay, and that's where Unsolved Mystery leaves us.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
They're looking for him.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
They're looking for this man.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Give us his update on this tunnel man.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Five years later. Captured November twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five,
he was arrested off the coast of Mexico on a
boat that was actually carrying two point eight tons of cocaine.
So even more than last time?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Is that for how much?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Two point eight.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
What? Three pounds?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Two point two point eight five pounds?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Almost this man, he must have been doing a lot
of cocaine himself to have the energy to keep up
with this work. No, I would be exhausted. So he
was using an alias. However, at the time, Mexican authorities
did not know his true identity, so he convinced them
that the drug charges were somebody else, and they ended

(22:30):
up figuring it out, bringing him in and he was
sentenced to five years in prison in Mexico. Okay. And
then in nineteen ninety nine, are you laughing at me
about something?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
No, I'm just thinking of something funny.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Did you get to share with the class? No? Okay.
In nineteen ninety nine, he was again profiled on America's
Most Wanted and authorities received the tip that he was
in a Mexican prison under an assumed name, and authorities
confirmed his identity, and in June of two thousand and one,
he was extradited to the United States for prosecution and

(23:10):
served an additional time for drug smuggling and has since
been released. I could not find if the architect Hayeseus Cornado,
their birthday or whatever had ever been found.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
All I can say is hopefully he's not still running
drug boats.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Oh yeah, because not a good time to be doing that.
The war on drug boats is ampter. There gave him
up a little bit. So okay, right, that's there you go.
I don't know. It was kind of a weird story
for friensal mysteries, but it was. Douglas is not far
from here. What is it?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
We like an hour hour and a half.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, So I don't think I've ever been to Douglas.
I don't think there's a lot to do there.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
We've been very close to Douglas.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
What do we go do?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
The mine there? Oh?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Close to Bisbee?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Bisbee?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, God, I do love Bisbee. Bisbee's a cool place.
If you guys are ever in southern Arizona, check out Bisbee.
It's a cool, cool town. All right, Ben, what do
you have for us? You guys, here's the best part.
I offered Ben any of these stories that he wanted,

(24:33):
and I took the ones he said he did not want.
And we're still getting attitude.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
But I do you want any of them? I really
didn't want this one, but I didn't want either one
of them. We have two lost loves.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I yeah, that one. That was an aggressive amount of lost.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Loves and this one. I have so many questions and
I did not I dug and I did not get answer.
So okay, I'm a little irritated.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Okay, we're going to be here with you on the journey.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
All right. This is a lost love, but it's that's home,
all right. Anyways. Janine Wagner she was born in nineteen
fifty nine. Grew up in a typical blue collar family. Right.
Her mother was Patsy. Her dad was a construction worker.
We never find out what her dad's name is. So

(25:26):
that's one thing I looked. Could never find his name.
Bothers me because I think it's.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Definitely husband, right, yeah, yes, the husband of Patsy.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay, it was her mother, got it.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So she Janine is the oldest of three kids. But
she is interviewed and proceeds to tell us that she
doesn't really ever feel like she fit in, that there
was something different about her in the family. She even
suspected at one point she thought she was adopted. So
now we get told about Patsy her mom. She was

(26:01):
extreme what she was raised, extremely Catholic in a very
religious home.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
But yeah, it seemed like that was an understatement. It
was extreme.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I think that's how they portrayed it.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Okay, fair, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
But I mean, obviously they portrayed it as very strict
Catholic home and Patsy the mom, Jennine says like she
was a good mom, but she clearly had her ups
and downs because at one point she attempted suicide by
slitting her wrists when Jeanine was thirteen, So that's said,

(26:40):
especially from sure trying to deal with that as a
thirteen year old. But in nineteen eighty one, Patsy, this is.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Terrible, This is awful.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Right it appears intentionally God onto the freeway going the
wrong way and ran into someone head on and kill her.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Did they tell us, because I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
They don't give what happened to the other No, and
I have a real problem with this. If you're going
do not bring other people into Yeah, I understand, and
everyone needs to get help, and I am a supportive
of people struggling and getting the help you need. But
it's sad that that struggle ended up possibly well.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Head on inclusion on the freeway is usually doesn't end
well for all parties involved. No, yeah, I was kind
of surprised that they left out what the casualty was
on the other side of that.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
But anyways, so unfortunately Patsy passes away, so now things
are coming out. Janine gets a call from her sister
who says that she just says, read her mother's diary
and there's some bombshells in this diary.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Turns out that not just like hey, I had a
dream about Paul Rudd, but like deep bombshells.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yes. So, because Patsy got married to her husband at seventeen, okay,
and then had Janine a little while later, right after that.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Like seven months months, I let her out here.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
You guys can see what we're going with this story.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
She was born premature obviously.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Anyways, so when Patsy was a teenager, in nineteen fifty eight,
Like I said, she'd grown up Catholic. She was dating
a boy that the family approved of. Someone said that
he had a nice car, and I'm just like that
was that. They didn't tell us much about the.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Weird reason as to why they approved of him.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
But it is also the father, but they refuse to
say his name. Yeah, so I'm sorry I lost my
spot in my notes. Patsy supposedly had an on and
off relationship with this guy. Clearly it wasn't great.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, we don't get a ton of information. How about them?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
One point they were had an argument and Patsy left
and went to a park and was sitting there and
met a young man, a young soldier who was stationed
at Fort Bliss named Duncan.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
A man in a uniform. And so, and the reenactment
is amazing.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
It's great. Yeah, And so Patsy and Duncan they fall
in love and they are secretly getting together and talking
and hanging out over the summer.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
This is like the Notebook before the Notebook.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
And they even tell like how he threw a party
for her for her seventeenth birthday in August. Well, come
October nineteen fifty eight, Patsy finds out guess what she's pregnant.
She is expecting yep, so her boyfriend assumes not Duncan.

(30:13):
The other on and off boyfriend assumes it's his.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
So clearly the girl was living her best clequely it's
not wasn't just with Duncan, it was with her boyfriend also.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
So they quickly get.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Married, Yeah, as one would have in the nineteen fifteen
and in a Catholic home.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, So they quickly get married in November. Seven months later,
Janine is born right, and.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
It, honestly at least has portrayed and from what I
gathered on Unsolved Mysteries, her sort of struggles with depression
seem to have really started just at the birth of
their first child, because didn't they say something like she
called her sister and is like crying and apologizing for.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, so I'm gonna get into that though, Okay, I worry,
like who you're married so supposedly as it, she writes
it in her diary, she told Duncan that she was pregnant. Yeah,
he thought it was his. He was willing to marry
her and take care of all of this. Yeah, but

(31:25):
she said no, I'm going to marry this other guy.
They also read that he then assumed it was her boyfriend's.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Oh I see.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Okay, Yeah, here's the thing. We don't know exactly how
it was told him or but anyway, she breaks it
off with them because.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I love triangle happening here. And she picked the other
she picked the boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
That she picked the boyfriend because that would be the
man that her family approved of. Okay, but yeah, and
then she said that when Janine was born, she was
just hoping that she had blue eyes because I'm guessing
her now husband.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Had blue fingers crossed. Yeah, and she yeah, and this
girl's interviewed and she's like, she looks like a Barbie doll.
She's got like beautiful blonde hair and these stunning blue eyes.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah. So now Janine has found how all of this
bombshell mom is not here anymore to ask any questions.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
And your mom passed away and not even.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Like a and clearly your mom has struggled with this
decision and these life choices it was.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I hope all of those kids got the help that
they needed as well.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, so Janine is looking for her real father. That's
where unsolved Mysteries left us.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yes, you guys, update, ioudate is crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
It's wild. Yeah, okay, So the night of the broadcast,
Hold on, I'm pulling up my notes on this here.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
This is one of the best stories Upjades told on
Unsolved Mystery.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
So the night of the broadcast, a man by the
name of Susanne Gilmour A.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Man, you said, A man?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Woman? Yeah, I apologize. Oh and let me go back.
In the mother's diary, she describes Duncan as like the kindest,
sweetest man she's ever met. Okay, it's important because Suzanne
Gilmore is watching this while her husband is asleep, and

(33:42):
she is hearing this and says, that's my husband.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
First off, can you even imagine being in this situation?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I can't, So she because obviously her husband's name is
Duncan and he's the sweetest, kindest man she's ever met.
So she goes into the bedroom and here's what she's
because we get an update she's telling us this story.
Goes in and says, hey, kindly and gently wakes wakes

(34:15):
him up.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Got a couple of questions.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I have to ask you something. Yeah, uh, do you
know did you were you stationed at Fort Bliss and
he goes yes, because he's she knew he served in
the military. Where you stationed in Fort Bliss in nineteen
fifty eight, And he goes, yeah, that should be about
the time, because do you know a woman by the

(34:39):
name of Patsy? Did you date a girl the name
of Patsy? Yeah? I did. Did you sleep with her?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
She did not ask it? And is she's asking it
very sweet?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Wys Yeah, I'm not saying that it's a mean thing.
And he says, yes, I did. He told his Oh
I feel sure. She goes, well, congratulations, you have a daughter.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
You are This man was asleep five seconds ago and
he's being told.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
So they interviewed them, they call, they get connected. He
calls Janine.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
He could not be happier.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
You guys like and the wife is supportive. He goes
out there, they meet, they spend time together, they connect.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
It was this amazing story and they stayed in close contact.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I did find out unfortunately Duncan passed away October sixth,
nineteen ninety eight. It was only sixty two.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Only a few years. Yeah, so yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Was said that's it.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
But they were connected and her, I mean, stepmom is
technically I guess the term for it, but not real.
I mean, but it seems like her and Duncan's wife
stayed in close content tact as well. Right, you were
saying that it seemed.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Like life net supposedly, Yeah, stayed in contact with her, and.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
They had adult children or grown children with their own children. Yeah. Wow,
what I mean. I will say lost loves are not
my favorite stories. This one was interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
It just was. It was a wild story, and we got.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
No indication on the non biological father who raised this girl.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, so that's the question. She does not talk about it.
It makes it that raised her for twenty something years.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
It makes me wonder if you.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
And it also makes me wonder like, I don't know.
It just seemed weird, and so I got onto.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Like Reddit and every single I tried to do.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
A bunch of research. I got on ancestry and those
genealogy websites could not find the mom.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Oh really could not.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Find anything on her. And obviously, like you can't really
find records on people that are still alive, so I'm
guessing Janine is still alive. I did find Duncan, okay,
but no one's inputed his stuff like his wife and
his kids are not.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
In there, so they might still be.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, because I was trying to see if someone had
linked him to Janine and then trying to follow her
family to find out her mom, Patsy and who he
was married to. Could not find anything like that because
I was just trying to find the name of the
dad that actually had two more kids, yeah, with Patsy

(37:39):
and did raise Janine, Yeah, for thirty years island.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Sometimes information can speak volumes sometimes.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, So I don't know, but anyways, they did reconnect, Okay. Wild.
I just thought it was wild that it was the
wife waking this guy up saying, hey.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, I'm watching that as a wife. And Ben and
I got married very young, not seventeen young, we were
twenty two. And I'm realizing now as a forty year
old that people when they hear that we've been married
almost twenty years, are kind of taken aback.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
No one believes me, I tell him, No, No.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
One sleeps me either when I'm like, dude, we've been
married almost twenty years and we have like teenage children, right,
and we are forty, but it I cannot imagine being
late at night, husband's asleep at easy show. Like I'm
just imagine, like you've raised your family, you're kind of

(38:47):
in your routine of whatever. She's watching her unsolved Mysteries.
He clearly wasn't that into it and fell asleep.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I understand, Duncan. Dude, I go to bed too, find
self mysteries.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
On getting that information, I will say this woman handled
that as the Grace Kelly of wives, because to me,
she could have taken out a lot of different directions.
She could have even also not even said anything, which is.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Not I think it says more about their marriage.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, one hundred persons.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
He was a good husband, she was a good wife,
and they clearly had a good help and happy healthy man.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Even know that just the name Duncan and that he
was this kind human being. For that, you, you know what,
you must have lived a really good life.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, I agree, And that's why I wanted I wanted
to put that information out of it because it's for
a first name and just a kind man, for someone
like you, that's exactly who that is. It does go
to show he clearly had to have been a very
good person.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah. So okay, well are you ready for a lost
love number two? Okay? All right quick, Yeah, all right,
So this is a story about Jerry Graves. Jerry Graves
of Ego, Idaho, is searching for her biological parents, hoping

(40:18):
that their medical history can help her to identify a
mystery illness her son, JJ is suffering from. Jerry and
her husband John married in nineteen eighty nine. On May
twenty seventh, nineteen ninety, their son JJ was born. After
they took him home, they noticed that he began having

(40:38):
seizures and convulsing. They had taken him to several specialists,
but no one can determine the cause of the symptoms.
Sometimes he would have up to fifty seizures a day.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
This is my worst nightmare.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
And there nothing you can do. You just watch this
baby suffering. And as a result, he wasn't really able
to eat or drink. When he was eight months old,
his muscular development stalled at the level of.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
A newborn breaks. I know this story that breaks.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Man, Yeah, and buckle up, because it's not going to
get much better. Despite several tests, doctors could not diagnose
his illness. John and Jerry begin to suspect that this
may be a genetic condition. As a result, Jerry decided
that she should search for her birth parents so she
was adopted. She hopes that by learning their medical history,

(41:36):
doctors can figure out what is happening with JJ. Jerry
was born Kelly Marie McKellan on November seventh, nineteen sixty three,
in Ventura, California, and was adopted shortly after Her parents
were not married. Her mother planned to become a nurse,
and her father was of Irish descent. Her adoption records

(41:58):
are legally sealed, so she knows little else about her
biological parents and her family history. Their medical history might
be able to help sort out a better treatment path
for her son, and so that is where unsolved mysteries
leaves us. They're looking for this family to try to
get some answers to help save this baby.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
All right, I don't have high hopes here.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Date okay, solved, But sadly, as a result of the yeah,
as a result of the broadcast, Jerry's biological parents were found.
We don't get any more information on how that connection went. However,
her son's condition did slightly improve, and there was a

(42:46):
time where they were hoping that maybe they would had
he'd outgrown this. They were never able to identify the disorder,
and he started having symptoms again and died shortly before
his and the birthday on April thirtieth, two thousand and
I same thing, Doug and Doug and Doug. I tried

(43:08):
to find articles, I tried to find if Jerry had
any social media and the information at all. The only
thing was on like one Reddit post that someone had
said that they were never able to give him any
diagnosis and that they still to this day do not

(43:31):
know what illness he had that caused him to suffer
from these conditions.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Not too bad.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, So I'm my heartbreaks your son spent his ten
years of life probably struggling, and you, as a parent,
can't do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
No, Our daughter was born with nothing life or death
bilateral club feet right and to day is very very treatable.
But it's a long treatment, right. She was basically in
treatment for the first like four years of her life. Surgery,
a bunch of different things, weekly doctor's appointments. And as
a parent of a newborn, seeing my child struggle with

(44:16):
something and not being able to like instantly fix it
for her or take that on myself was heartbreaking, soul
like it was devastating and she was never in any
medical danger. I cannot imagine the level of what that

(44:36):
puts on a parent, So my heart goes out. If
you know Jerry and her husband are still around to
this day, I hope that they found peace and comfort
in something in celebrating JJ's life how they could. Yeah,
you guys, all right, Ben, are you ready to give
us our last story? All right, Ben? Before you get

(44:59):
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(45:42):
because I dropped a few sneak peeks at what Ben,
What am I holding in my hand right now?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Hat?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
It's it's not a hat, sweatshirt. It's not a sweatshirt.
But I did think about sweatshirts, sweatpants. No, that would
be cool too. Okay, now you're making my excitement less
excitable A T shirt it is, you, guys. We are
going to drop a limited edition merch in twenty twenty six.
The reason it's going to take a little while is

(46:11):
because I don't quite know yet how to go about it.
I don't know if we need to have stock here
and inventory at the house and ship it out, or if.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
We have I have rented warehouse in Douglas Air.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
And then we just buy a house right across the
border and there's a house there for sale that has
a pool table and a weird thing the pool tables
on hydraulic you don't tell people about anyways, You guys,
these shirts are really really cool and I'm really excited.
I actually worn it out in public a few times,
and I've had compliments on it from people that don't

(46:48):
know anything about the podcast but their vintage style T shirts.
My goal was to make this look like it was
something that you found at like a vintage resale or.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Thrifts or in your grandma's attic.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, and I feel like I nailed it, and I'm
very excited. So once I kind of figure out the logistic.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, pretty cool. I will give you that you did
a good job.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
And it's not like some in your face merchandise like
you wouldn't know it's our merch unless like you.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Besides the neon, I think it's great.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
The neon, Well, the other one is a lighter.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's a neon green with yellow flashing lettering light.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
It's led lights up, unsolved couple podcasts and flashes.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Not in your face.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
But anyways, look for that idea.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
There's no neon.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
There's only once I figure out the best way. And
because here's the thing, my goal is that these are
not I want these to be cost effective. I'm a
really big about not spending a bunch of money on things,
and so I don't want you guys to So once
I figure out the best way to make these cost effective,
I'll get it out there. We'll likely probably do a
pre order because I work with a local company that

(48:05):
is sourcing these and printing the shirts, because I believe
in supporting our local artist. Okay, Ben, take it away.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
All right. I have a murder.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Murder right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
It's the story of Hilda Roche. She was a forty
three year old divorcee. She worked in military intelligence in Arlington, Virginia.
March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty two. Hilda is at a
singles bar. Does that exist? Like, is there a bar

(48:44):
that you're only allowed to be single and going?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I don't think so, but I know they have single
events at bars, like singles Night and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Which a funny story, Okay, But the guy who is
I'm not using it. He he's got a family member
in Spain. He went over there to visit and his
I think it was his sister. She talked him into
going to a speed dating event and he was telling
us about it. It was really funny. It was a good story.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I love watching the speed dating event on Love on
the Spectrum.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
That's a good show.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
It's a beautiful show. And they always showcase one episode
where they do speed dating and it's the best. But yeah,
speed dating would be a crazy experience and I'm glad
to be married so that I don't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I just I'm because they say this in there, and
I've heard this before a singles bar, and so that's
I just do they really exist?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I mean, Ben, we met at a singles church, so
if there can be a singles church, there should be
able to be a singles bar, because when I tell
people that you and I met at a church only
for single people, there's a lot of follow up questions.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
That's true, okay, marshalwy fifth, nineteen eighty two. She heads
to this single bar and she meets a man. Excuse me,
I'm very sorry. That's terrible. Don't do that. Meets a guy,
supposedly a wealthy man. She starts telling her friends about
this meeting. He's supposedly wealthy, he's good looking, he drives

(50:21):
a nice car, clearly driving to Is driving a nice
car really a big deal?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
No? Let me tell you something then about the nice car.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Here was only saying this because I have never driven
a nice car.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Just prior and a little bit of overlap time. While
I met Ben, my previous boyfriend had a portion nine
to eleven.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
If I have to hear about this, we had one
more time.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Ben had a nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Nineteen eighty nine Toyota pickup and not in.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Good shape, you guys, rusted out beat. It look like
someone took cinner blocks in the back and loaded up
and drove around with it in her laugh because it's true.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Oh I know, and I think I had three or
four dents in the tails. It was mass.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Beat the heck it was so in my opinion, No,
the car that a man is driving doesn't matter, because
clearly you.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Want to make me feel better, you wond win. I know.
I'm just, I just.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I always think it's funny because if you looked at
the common denominator and what like, a lot of these
stories portrayed women to think about that exact scenario played
out in my life.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
This has now been brought up in this story, is
brought up in my previous story. It's been brought up
multiple times as stories about how this guy drove a
nice car and it clearly is a big thing.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, I that is lost on me.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
So right, So she starts telling her friends about the
seat drives carry seems wealthy. He tells her that he
is a contractor for the government. Sure Jian, right, Yeah,
so he travels, he does all this nice stuff. He
has all this nice stuff. And her friend comes in,
who she doesn't give her name. If you notice that,
it just says Hilda's friend. She's like, don't believe everything

(52:22):
you see. That car could be rented.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
She's been what a good friend.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I think she's saying all that after the fact.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Okay, well there.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
But okay, not good March twenty, I'm sorry. August August,
April second, nineteen dude, I cannot remind notice to me.
April second, nineteen eighty two, police are called out to
a wooded area near an elementary school in Montclair, Virginia,

(52:54):
and there is a nude body of a woman found
there with one shot to the back of the head.
I mean, yeah, terrible, yeah, terrible. Obviously there's no way
to identify her. There's nothing else there. So they process

(53:16):
the crime scene, do all that stuff, and they're trying
to identify her. Not too long after April sixth, so
four days later, police are called in to do a
welfare check on Hilda because they're coworkers. She's not showing
up to work. People haven't seen her, so they go
and police go in. They start searching her place, find

(53:40):
her wallet sitting on the counter there, and police look
at the picture and say, we got it. Unfortunately, they
now have identified the body that they've found four days prior,
so they come in, they search the town home. They
do a very thorough search and start looking. It appears

(54:02):
they go into the bedroom and appears that she had
been sexually assaulted in her Oh, her room is completely
in disarray, and it looked like an evident evidence of
a struggle in other parts of the house. But there's
no fourced entry.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
So yeah, they're a violent Something violent took place inside
that home. But the front door was not there was no.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
There was no break when it appeared, So it appears
that she let this person in and then every then
something clearly went wrong. That's what they have. They don't
have a lot to go off of. When they start
talking to her friends, they find out about this guy.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
That she had been talking about, that.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
She'd been talking about. She never told anyone his name, right, Yeah,
so sorry, I'm looking at my my notes. So this
goes on. They start trying to investigate this for three months.
They finally get a lead about where this guy lives.

(55:09):
They don't tell us how, but I mean, they're clearly
trying to do some light work here. So they find
out that he lives in a large apartment complex of
fourteen hundred units.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Holy cow.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Supposedly she went to his place, clearly mentioned the apartment
complex to a friend. So the police dig through the
files of this apartment complex. They said they went through
twenty five to thirty thousand lease files and are trying
to find someone that matches the description they have. They

(55:49):
then narrowed it down to thirty two potential suspects. The
police are clearly truly trying to dig in and figure
this out. Yeah, so, but that's kind of where it stalls.
I get and that's where that's what took them three
months to do.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, the fact that you were able to even do
that in three months is incredible.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
They finally get a breakthrough in the case. They've learned
I don't know how they learned this, who came forward,
who gave the information, but they learned that the night
she met this guy at the singles bar, she'd lost
her wallet and so she couldn't find it. So they
tell this. They tell the restaurant or the bar, hey,

(56:37):
if you find something, please contact it, and the guy says, hey,
contact me, give me a call if you find the wallet.
So the wallet is found and they contact him, So
he goes and picks it up. Four and her friend

(57:01):
comes back in and says, I just thought it was
so suspicious. That he would want them to contact him.
Why would he want to do that. It seems like
she was on the case before anyone else was on this.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Well, you know what, she probably was in the true crime.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Probably all right, So they go back to the restaurant.
They talk to the person who talked to him. But
now it's been months later. That person can't remember a
whole lot about this guy or the information. Awesome, right, yeah,
So what do they do? They put her under hypnosis. Steve,

(57:36):
if she can remember, use Yeah, you know, I feel
about hypnosis, But this works.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Then are you having to struggle with that though? No?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
No, In hypnosis, she portrays a phone number. She remembers
some type of phone number, and the hypnosis says, he listen,
you might have to work with that phone number. It
might be the numbers might be jumbled, but clearly she
remembers something about it. So no, it was almost an

(58:10):
exact match to one of the numbers of the thirty
two suspects they had.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Okay, but that is pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I will give you that. It is impressed.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Our brains are remarkable.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So that phone number leads them to the records of
a man by the name of Gregory Barker, aged thirty eight,
and he'd moved out probably after the murder, which I'm
sure that was one of That was probably one of

(58:41):
the reasons he got flagged was probably the first thing
is like, hey, who moved out with them? Yeah, a
month or two of her being murdered, right, fair, But
when you're dealing with fourteen hundred units and they went
back years, I'm sure they did so all right, so
he moved out, so guess what And they don't tell much,

(59:06):
but they hone in on this guy and they're like, yeah,
he's our guy. We find out that he was a
Vietnam veteran who served two tours. He was in army intelligence.
They tell us he's obsessed with spy nobles. I don't
know how they know all this stuff. The police clearly
know way more than what they're telling us, and that

(59:28):
they think he might be suffering from delusions and think
he's a master spy.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Oh heavens to Betsy, but he but.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
He didn't work for any agency or contractor in the area.
So all that stuff he told was a lie.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Shocking, So you know, still to this day, one of
the number one things that Kat Fisher's on dating apps
and stuff like that that take advantage of women. You
know what, they say that they do work for the government.
They work for some sort of military intelligence CIA, high
up in the government, in top secret. Because then it
gives him this illusion that you can't ask any questions. Girls.

(01:00:07):
If a guy says that, check his sources.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yeah, there are people that do work in that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
But yes, yes, I'm not saying that's an impossible thing,
but there are ways to verify those things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah. So anyways, they I mean there, they interviewed the
detective there, so he thinks that, uh, I want to say,
his name is Gregory. He went, he picked up the wallet,
He went to her her home to drive off.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
He'd let him in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Yeah, she let him in, struggling, sued, sexually assaulted her,
drove her out there, shot her execution style, and left. Whoa. Yeah,
so they're looking for this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Can you olage to find him?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Find him? So that is kind of where un solved
mysteries leaves us. Okay, oh oh, and the detective drops
this bombshell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Okay, let's hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
He thinks this is not Gregory's first victim. He thinks
we might be dealing with a possible serial killer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Okay, riddle me intrigued.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Doesn't tell us how or what other.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Well, I will say most people are you gonna it's
a common thing to say, this is a pretty extensive
thing that happens, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Gonna drop serial killer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Well you just have to say, like, this is not
I probably it didn't seem like this was his first time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
So they're they're trying to find him. Okay, are you
ready for your update? Update capture?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
So, thank goodness he was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Identified. I want to say that night he was also.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Shown on America's Most Wanted. But I really think that's
the Patreon that we're going to cover anyway, not or
Rescue nine one one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
No. Anyways, he was captured in Phoenix, so shortly after
the broadcast, someone had noticed him as a co worker
someone they had worked with. How scary called and he
was captured in Phoenix. He so, I guess he was
wanted also in Vegas for armed robbery whoa Okay, got

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convicted of that, did some time for that, but then
he was sent to Virginia and sentenced in her murder,
was convicted, did life in prison. Okay, supposedly from what
I could find. He is still in prison, is still alive,

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So I guess I did find this. I tried to
find out what other So he was never convicted of
any other murders, even though he was accused of being
a serial killer. But they do believe he was the
suspect in the murder six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Other murders, but holy cow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I can't tell you who. The only one information is
they believe he was a suspect in the murder of
Lisa Joe Shanner, who's the daughter of an FBI agent. Okay,
but they still don't have enough evidence to tie him
to that murder. I can't could not figure out why
they think he was that like, yeah, so yeah, but

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he was only convicted of one murder, which is Hill
does okay, And I did find So there's a guy
who's TikTok video went viral, who years ago, two or
three years ago. He tells a story of being this
guy's a cellmate because he's an old man. Yeah, now

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this guy's out of prison and he tells a story
that he was this guy's sell mate for a long
time and felt bad because no one visited him and
no one wrote him anything. So he asked his mom
or some family member to write him a letter, to
write him letters. You know, hey, this gotta something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
You're thinking about writing letters to inmates. Please see one
of our first episodes and learn the consequences of that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
His thing. It's clear this he said, like, I was
glad to be with this guy because he was just
kind of they was said, and they played board games
or whatever. He's like, yeah, he was actually a good
cell mate. Like and the fact of there's a lot
of other cell mates you could.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, you're in prison, No one there is genuinely a
good person.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
So he had no idea. His mom or whatever family
member visits him and says, hey, I'm not going to
write him anymore or I don't even know if she
did or not, and said he's he's a suspected serial killer. Yeah,
he had no idea. So then he confronts them. Anyways,
he tells the whole story and a stick of if

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you want to look it up, just type in Gregory Barker,
and that is one of the things that will come
up is this guy's YouTube video or TikTok reel of
him telling this story. That's pretty good, But that's the
only other thing I got on that so solved in
prison not getting out good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
He doesn't deserve to get out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Unfortunately, it's too bad that they suspect him of being
guilty of other.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Mariinal loser and not admitting to it, which is right
on track with an insecure man, likely with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
A micro anyways, So that's it. That's all I got.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
All right, Okay, well guys, that is our recap of
season three, episode twenty two. I'm really excited about next
episode because season four episode one is a banger of
an episode. We got UFOs, we've got Colt, satanic panic,

(01:06:14):
all kinds of craziness come in your way in the meantime.
If you guys are not interested, the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
One, that's the one that's going to drop, like right
before Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Yeah, it's your guys, it's our Christmas gift, Christmas gift
to you. And yeah, so if you guys are not
interested in our chitty chat time, please feel free to
exit stage left. And Benjamin, are you ready for your question? Yes,

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give us some of your favorite cheesy Christmas movies that
you and I watch that you love. What are your
top ones we talked about this last year? Did we
really possible. Maybe sorry if that's the case, guys, I apologize.
But it's two weeks right now before Christmas, I think

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when this is coming out, So this gives you some
time to get after it. This is something you and
I only discovered a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Yeah, so let's put some background there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Okay, yeah, we got time. We're only at an hour
eight here. This is a this is a this is
a quickie for you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
All right, background was it? It's been more than a
few years. It's been like five years.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Okay, but we've been married almost twenty so five is
only a few years.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
We started watching I didn grew up watching cheesy. I
didn't either, Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Mean you're a boy, so that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, but I know. Yeah, but I love Christmas. You
love Christmas and I love Christmas movies. I love alf
I love all the Grinches, every Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Movie the Hallmark channel.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Growing up, neither do we We don't have cable growing up. Yeah,
so no, then that so I love all Christmas movies.
Like when Christmas season comes, we usually turn on a
Christmas movie. Elf is one of probably the top one,
and Home Home Alone is one of the best. So

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Sierra and I for date night years ago decided let's
find cheesy Christmas like Hallmark movies and watch them. And
we have committed to that. So every year we watch.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Because for the back where we have no family that
lives close, we watched two and we have three kids.
And for a long time, date night was putting the
kids to bed by you know, eight o'clock and getting
carrying down, yeah, taking getting takeout or making a dessert
or something, and figuring out ways to like have date

(01:08:56):
night at home. And this was something this was years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah, and we've gotten after it and it's been awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
And we watched, like I said, we watched Delivered and Netflix,
and I will actually say and Netflix has picked up
the pace where they say, oh yeah, and they embrace
all the stereotypical what I was looking for of Christmas movies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Yeah, they make them and I love it. I'm here
for it. So we've watched most of the Netflix to the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Point where we're like, because so many of them have
a lot of the same plot lines and stuff that
were like, I think we've watched this one because so we.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Watched when did we watch last time? We watched to
last well, kind of too well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
First off, Netflix, if you're listening Netflix, please, for the
love of everything Holy, bring back the show Murderville.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Oh my gosh, it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Was only it was what twenty twenty two. I think
they did only one season of it, And for any
Christmas special, anyone, pause what you're doing immediately and go
to Netflix and look up Murderville. It is a improv
style TV show where actors are brought in, really talented

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actors with no flipping clue on what's happening. In a
scene where they are investigating some crazy crim What is
the name of the guy, the main guy, I don't
know his names. He's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Whoever he is, Yeah, all right, you tak I'll look
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Anyways, So they do this thing and they have everyone
has a script. There's a whole plot line, but the
main actor in it has no clue and they're just
improving and going along with it and it's hilarious. So
last night we watched they did a Christmas special where
Santa Claus is murdered and they have to solve it.

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And Jason Bateman is one of the actors. Will Arnett
Will Arnett and he is ten out of ten. He's
an amazing he's so funny and they break character and
then and I were laughing so hard last night. So
we watched that one, and then we watched the one

(01:11:27):
about the new one from Netflix, She Grets Santa, where
the mom, the poor mom loses her job at the
bakery right before Christmas anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
And she's got to work at the ski resort again.
So gay it Love with the Rich the rich spoiled
son of an.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Heir and solves all of his problems in a matter
of ten days or something insane. Anyways, it's also very
very good. I would recommend it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
What was the question, what are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Your favorite cheesy Christmas Mars?

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
So one of the ones they did a three parter
oh so good. I can't remember the names of it.
It's the one where the girl they make up that
but the Prince or something. Yeah, a prince wedding the Prince.

(01:12:24):
I don't know. There's a three parter one that Netflix did.
That's a great one. Yeah, your Ani's one of your
Ani's favorite is hands down?

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Which ones Hereah, Smoky Christmas or Christmas and Christmas and
the Smokies. Yeah, that's a really Christmas. Prince a Christmas Prince.
They did a three parter on that one. Yeah, yeah, Chris,
just Send the Smokies is really good. And then one

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of the other ones that is just it hits everything.
And then there's the sequel, A Royal Wedding, also a
Christmas movie, and the third film is titled A Christmas
Prince The Royal Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, I told her, Yeah, it's great. I want to say,
probably one of the best ones they did was I
can't again, I can't remember the name of it, but
it hits every stereotype. It's the girl that is the
heir to whatever. So her dad's trying to teach her

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a lesson and sends her to the She gets.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Like wasted at a Christmas party, right, and like jumps
into a Christmas tree and then like goes to a
small town to like because him and his partner had
some like Christmas boodasher card or something. I can't remember
the day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
She's got to deliver this thing to this small town.
She's never been there. She is dating the rich boy
and they're driving next CAUs it's every stereotype. She goes
to this small town, she gets snowed in, she gets
stuck at the bed and breakfast.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
With like no access to money. That was the thing
is like she's not allowed to use any money. She
can't give her tame for dollars, I can't give her
name for anything, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
And then falls in love with the bed and breakfast innkeeper.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Does everything for free. I don't know how he's making
any money.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
He takes in all the needy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
There's like like bark goes out in the town or something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
It's power goes out. She's baking cookies.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
As one does. Then he finds out that she's actually
this like air to this, and so that's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Just misunderstanding every stereotype. It's awesome, Yeah, it's awesome. Well
you yours, I'll find what that Okay, it's name, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
What's yours?

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
All right? I mean you've already kind of nailed my
favorite ones I did, like the one that Lindsay Lowhand
did with Also again, here's the thing, we still don't
have Homemark Christmas or Hallmark Channel, Like that's not something
we paid for. So most of our cheesy Christmas movies
are the Netflix ones. But the Lindsay Lowhand one that

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she did last year, I think a year or two
ago is in Credible again, same sort of thing. But
I mean I think you nailed all of my same
favorite ones. Oh, I will say I do love Hot
Frosty or whatever it was called. This one came about

(01:15:46):
last year. It was so funny because the girl from
Mean Rolls is in it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, yeah, Hot for rust is That was funny. Christmas
Inheritance is the one I'm talking about, The one with
Lindsay Lohan is falling for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
All of these names are epic. So yeah that there's
a Christmas two point zero for you guys. Our gift
to you guys is excuse me, but my mic is too.
We just gave you guys the list. Go out, go
to Costco or Target of Walmart, get a Christmas jigsaw puzzle,
grab your favorite beverage. Go home, cozy up, get a

(01:16:24):
new pair of sweatpants or Christmas pajamas with your loved
ones or your kids or your family, and make a
night of it. Right. Turn off all of like the
lights or dim the lights, work on the jigsaw puzzle,
turn on a cheesy Christmas movie and enjoy your evening.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
It's a fun night, all right, guys. We are excited
for the holidays. We're excited you guys are here with us,
and we are excited to be with you guys again
next week when we recap another episode of That's All.
Mistress Bye,