One Year Special: Amy Bradley Is Missing Part 1

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everybody. I'm Sierra and I'm Ben, and welcome back
to another episode of The Unsolved Couple, where for the
last year fifty two weeks, Ben and I have recapped
one of your original gateway drugs into true crime Unsolved Mysteries.

(00:26):
We've been here for a year.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Just ma'am.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Good?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah. I wish I had been better about like writing
down some of my thoughts or like my goals of
what I thought the first year could look like or
what I hoped, because I think I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I think we're just trying to get it going. The
thought of like, I don't know, goals of that. I
think the goal was just to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Well, it was. It was a lot of work. Like, yeah,
I think it was kind of like I wish we
had just taken time only because I think it would
have been fun to go back and look at, like,
did we I think my only goal really was like
could I do this for a year? Everything else was

(01:22):
icing on the cake and we did and we did.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I mean technically we started recording back in June and July.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, so it's been going strong.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, but I remember like the night before and that
first like morning that the first episode dropped. It was
like Christmas morning, right. I was so nervous and so
excited and then like just like hitting even like ten downloads.
I was like, there are people listening to us, and

(01:57):
it is awesome. But as of now today, we have
been downloaded in eight hundred and four cities across the world.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
That is pretty cool, right. So yeah, I wanted to
just take a moment and thank everybody that's listening to
this that it means a lot. I'm really grateful that
everyone shows up every week.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
People.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I'm grateful for the people that have left ratings and reviews,
who have followed us on social media, who've supported us
and shared us with their friends. It's really been I
love doing this. This is one of my favorite projects.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I enjoy the project I get to do with you.
So I realized this week for the last couple of weeks,
as we're watching this documentary, because I'm sure people if
they listen last week, they know we're doing the Amy

(03:12):
Bradley Netflix go ahead. Yeah, So and I last, golly,
go something there. The last episode, I had such a
hard time and I thought, man, I'm getting tapped out
from watching Unsolved mysteries. Yeah, it's really hard. It was

(03:34):
hard to get going in it. And I realized, nah,
it's not unsolved mysteries, it's just true crime all together.
Because I had the same problem with this documentary. I
just didn't want to do it. And I realized, no,
this isn't even with a year. I have watched hours

(03:58):
of this stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Mm hmmm. I just and you don't get it.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I get it. I just don't. It's just not my
like I haven't formed. I thought I would like form
a love or a liking, and I'm like, nah, I
don't hate it. I just realized, like, yeah, that's just
you know, I haven't gotten a passion yet. Maybe maybe in.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Your maybe this year will be your year, but I'm
pretty certain it won't.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
But that's okay because I have really enjoyed us doing
this hobby together, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Oh, and I think it is important and fun. I
think it's one thing that sets us apart from every
single There are millions of true crime podcast and you
show up out of love for your wife every week,
but because you are not some true crime officiato or

(05:04):
you know, true crime enthusiasts, whatever you want to call yourself.
You have a different perspective on it. It keeps things
a little fun and light because some of these things
we talk about are hard. Yeah, so I think it
makes us stand out amongst the crowd that maybe a

(05:26):
lot of the times, I don't want to ignorance not
the right way, but yeah, you might be kind of
like out.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Of the loop. I'm definitely ignorant. I'm not afraid to.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, that's not that's not to say a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's just I choose to be ignorant on some things. Yeah,
that's okay. Here, just think I don't get me wrong.
I when you and I I was having this conversation,
it was before we started this. You realize as your
kids get older and that you you get end up
with more free time on your Yes, and I had

(05:57):
literally it says like I need more hobbies, stuff to
keep my mind and to fill my time instead of
just the way a lot of us fill time, which
is TV or whatever, miss stuff. And I've been really, dude,
I am a hard time today. I've really enjoyed that

(06:20):
I've been able to do something with my time that's
not just like playing game, you know, watching whatever it is,
or killing time with whatever it is. So it's been
a fun hobby for sure, and I've enjoyed and like
I said, I've really enjoyed that you and I have
gotten to do it together. So I was really on

(06:40):
board to do it. Yeah, I just didn't realize, like, yeah,
because there are some things we enjoyed, some stuff we watched,
cold case files, forensic files, American Justice.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
You and I did get after a lot of friends.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I liked Dateline growing up, but I just never formed
a passion for it and I still don't. I just
I just realized with this one's yeah, I don't think
I'm ever going to get that passion.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, and yet here you work in law enforcement. That's
why Ben's like going to be the one person when
they're like when these big cases come through and you
wonder how they find an impartial jury. I'm like, oh,
that's been a lot of the times. Unless I've told

(07:30):
him about something. Because you don't have social media, he
would have no clue that certain things were happening.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I was really bull and I almost got jury duty
on a murder trial, but I got kicked off the
defense attorney.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
The defense attorney used one of his.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Three strikes on me. Yeah, and he wouldn't let me sit.
But I will say I was fully prepared to sit
there and listen to the evidence and make a judgment
the evidence. Yeah, I got kicked out.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
All right, Well let's get into it. So, yeah, if
you guys listened last week, you kind of know what's
going on if this is randomly the first episode you're
listening to. Normally, Ben and I recap episode by episode
and give you updates of our beloved show, Unsolved Mysteries. However,
when this documentary came out a few weeks ago one,

(08:27):
Ben was slightly intrigued by osmosis. Right, he walked through
the house a few times while I was watching it,
and he noticed it. But you still didn't know anything.
But I've known about the story for a long time,
and then I actually had, which made me really excited.
Several of our patrons reach out and ask me or

(08:49):
like us if we had watched it and what our
thoughts were. And then I even had more people ask
us if we would ever cover it because they were
interested in just how we tell stories it being told
this way, So as a thank you, to the people
who are listening to us. We thought it would be fun. Well,

(09:12):
I thought it would be fun. I've been agreed to
it to recap the Netflix's documentary about the Missing Person's
Amy Bradley case. I do believe that this that Amy
Bradley is covered on an Unsolved Mysteries episode.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It's got to be. It's got to be way down
the road because this didn't happen till ninety eight. Yeah,
and as of right now, we're in season three. Yeah,
I think we're only in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
We're like eight late eighties, early nineties.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I think this season's nineteen ninety, maybe nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So but let me just say, I'm going to digress. Okay,
congratulations to you. You deserve you deserve all the credit.
I've said this last time. Sierra has done all that
work and has really put a lot of work into it.
So congrats. Thanks, you've done. Yeah, you've got You've gotten

(10:10):
this thing a lot further than yeah, even I was expecting,
but I.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, I appreciate it. I actually had a friend ask
me the other day, I so I work. First off,
we do, I literally am my plate is full, and
I had someone ask me the other day if, like,
if any if I could like just something could happen,

(10:35):
and one of my actual careers outside of like wife
and motherhood was taking me in a direction that it
was going to require all of my time. Which lane
would I rather choose? And it's a hard question because
I love what I do in real estate because I
get to interact. I love marketing and I think it's fascinating.
But ultimately, the ability to work from home one hundred percent,

(11:02):
and I genuinely like love this community, and I love
the art and being creative. I mean, yeah, to do
this for a year has been amazing. I am hopeful
and everything that you know, if this potentially goes anywhere,

(11:24):
it would be a dream come true to be able
to do this full time, to be able to have
you know, one off series, to be able to do
daily updates and do way, way way more stuff. And
so yeah, follow us, rate us, review us, all of
the things that we say in all of the other episodes,
because yeah, I would absolutely love for me to be

(11:49):
able to dedicate full time work energy to this and
to be able to grow this along with you. But yeah,
so we today are going to cover the Ammy Bradley
Documentary on Netflix. Hopefully this will work out because it's

(12:10):
different than our normal format.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, so maybe we got three episodes each and we're
about forty five minutes a piece. And I mean, really,
even though there's there's a lot of material here, there's
a lot of just talking and sharing and when when
you're looking at it in this aspect, I'm not trying
to speak ill. When you're looking at this aspect, there's

(12:35):
a lot of filler stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, yeah, in the world of storytelling, that's you know,
in our format, we will have We're going to tell
it the best that we can and give us, you know,
our normal thoughts and our banter back and forth. But
there might be we are not investigative journalists. This is
not a deep dive. There might be things missed, and

(13:00):
hopefully we're going to try to do this in one episode,
but if it gets to be too long, which is
already hitty chatting for plenty of time, we will break
it up into two episodes for you guys. Okay, so
vanished at sea and we hear the question being asked
by the producer, what do you think happened to Amy?

(13:25):
It's the very first thing we hear at the top
of the show, and it's how we are introduced to
kind of some of the talking heads. And here I
wrote some of their quotes down. I don't know something
terrible happened. I got to think that somebody killed her.
Maybe she was killed and put into a suitcase and
taken off the ship. I think she jumped or fell off.

(13:50):
I do not believe that Amy committed suicide. There's no
room for me to believe that. I'm recant, reluctant to
tell you what I think happened. I don't want to
say it out loud because I don't want to speak
it into being. How did a family vacation turn into
a nightmare? Well, it started when twenty three year old

(14:12):
Amy vanished, literally without a drace. So as these interviews
are going on, you know, these talking heads are kind
of coming in and out, we're also getting flashbacks. We
see home video of Amy Bradley intermixed with shots of
cruise ships going through what is an ideal vacation, right,

(14:38):
crystal clear, beautiful aqua, water waves, everything you guys want.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
So you.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
See this picture of an ideal vacation, and then we
go back to our talking heads, and someone says very bluntly,
I think she was taken as a sex slave. And
then the line that is really stood out to me
was if you ever want to kill someone, take them

(15:08):
on a cruise. Yeah. So that's kind of literally like
the introduction on the documentary. Yeah, yeah, anything you want
to add takeaway?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
No, No, okay, I mean I mean yeah, like I said,
I mean they feel like obviously they're doing a special.
It's five minutes and you don't really know what happened.
They're just giving you all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
No, yeah, and I will say I as we're going
about through this, yeah, I would love to hear as
what you're even personal interlog, personal, impersonal, no internal mind monologue,
what you were kind of thinking, because yeah, you are
getting we're going to take this right along with benisone
who had never even heard of this before.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I've never even heard her name, yeah, or any
of this story until I stumbled into the living room.
If you watching this, yeah, so yeah. But obviously like
you can see cruise when you actually start thinking about
it in that aspect, because when everyone hears cruise, they

(16:16):
instantly are thinking good times, partying.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yep, care free, tropical. Yeah, sight seeing, but if you start.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Thinking about it in a bad context, it is a
recipe for disaster. Even to this day, this is twenty
something years ago, and you think about it, it is
a disaster.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Did you ever realize any of the innate risks a
cruise could could be before?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I don't know if I've actually ever thought of it,
because here's the thing. I've never been on a cruise, and.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
We've talked about doing that.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
There's always been a part of me that has been
a little reluctant.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, when we had little kids, the thought of me
taking my kids on.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
A ship, yeah, I couldn't do that. Yeah, there's story
of the dead the little five year old that fell
through the little porthole and the dead jumped in to
get her and had to Nope, he had to wade there,
you know, like yet for an hour for them to
turn around and wrest her. Thankfully he saved his kid. Yeah,
but you know, it's just things like that. Obviously, it's

(17:22):
a recipe, not that bad things can.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Happen, but no, and you all know how I feel
about the ocean. It terrifies me. The thought of being
stuck on a cruise ship in the middle of a storm. No, yeah,
but yeah, all right, So family background, we have Amy's mom,
Iva dad Ron. They both kind of pop onto the

(17:47):
screen and as like we're seeing these I do love
old home movies. You don't have that anymore. Everything's polished.
But I love it. I think I've said that before
and other podcasts. I loved it, and I love getting
to see these happening in people talking and sharing memories
from when they took that and so they're kind of

(18:08):
sharing just like how this feeling of loss has embedded
themselves into their daily every fiber of their being, and
you can feel that through the screen. So Chesterfield, Virginia, three,

(18:28):
twenty one ninety eight, the day the Bradley family leaves.
Aaron a family friend who grew up. She basically says
she was like the third you know child that was
always there. She dated Bradley for a time or Brad
And she's arriving at the house. She's going to be

(18:48):
watching the family home and Amy's dog while they're on vacation.
Then Brad Bradley comes onto the Skoen and he's Amy's
younger brother, and he shares that he'd always looked up
to his sister. At the time, Amy's twenty three and

(19:09):
Brad is twenty one. She had just moved into a
new apartment, had adopted a dog, and this trip was
kind of meant to kick off their life as adults.
So the cruise San Juan, Puerto Rico is where they

(19:30):
are departing from, we meet the guy that just.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Kurt.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Here's my thing about Kirk. I'm gonna say this up front.
I don't think innatly he has I cannot put my
finger on He seems to have zero compassion for anyone
in a bad place in this story. And maybe that's
jaded of him, but he seems to be the person
and we all know this that's obsessed with the company

(20:06):
they work for and can do no wrong and defend
them to the nth degree.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I see, I didn't have a problem with Kurt, and
this is why, Yes, and I do think I think
the documentary intentionally maybe I don't know, but I think
they wanted him to come across the way he did. Now,
obviously he said what he said, and he said it

(20:34):
in the way he said it. But this is why
I didn't mind Kirk, because at least you were getting
what the cruise line and the crew were really thinking
and how they were approaching the situation.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yes, so you're getting which is callous, cold and really like,
this is not my problem.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, and here's the thing. We can all have a
problem with it. I think obvious, knowing what we know now,
we all do have a problem and we should have
a problem with it.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
But I think a lot of people want to get
brought up. I'm not angry at him. I think it's
a good point you brought up. That was the mindset
of the entity that was the.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Cruise and he to fair to him or not. He
was technically the voice of the cruise line and the
crew at the time or on the documentary.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
He's the face of the ship, I mean, the cruise director.
So he's not the captain. He didn't have any authority
or anything. But he's like the hype guy, the party guy.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Right, But he's telling you how they were approaching this
and how they felt about it. Yeah. I mean, if
you have an honest opinion, this guy has zero choice
and he doesn't even really know what's going on. No
one talked to him about it. The one guy, the
guest services guy, actually talked to the parents.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
That he was callous and cavalier too, and.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
He made a decision that might have been a problematic. Problematic. Yeah, so,
like I said, yes, and I think that they probably.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm sure they did interview, and.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
It made it look worse than what he said. He
very well could have said those cowous things and then
after said, you know, that sucks, but that was our mentality,
and you know, we feel terrible. I feel I feel terrible.
But he could have said nice things.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
But he seemed to me like the person who is
doubling down, because if he took a moment and didn't,
he'd realize that, even unknowingly, he contributed to the problem.
That's human nature.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
That's human nature. We all want to think that what
we did was okay, or that we there was a
reason why we did what we did, and it takes a.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Better person than Kirk to say I thought this way.
So I brushed it off. I blew it off. I
didn't think it was that big of a deal, and
I made a mistake in doing so.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
But I do think this guy had no decision making.
He's not the one like, he didn't make any decisions.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, he decided to speak on a documentary.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Though that he did, and I don't know if I
would ever.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I get to call it like I see it, when
you choose to put yourself out there.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Absolutely, I mean you did are the one willing to
go in front of the camera. I think if I
was involved in something like that, there's I would not
talk about. Now I'm out. I don't want to talk
about it because I don't want to put myself out there. Yeah,
I already know where I was.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
He just reminds me of the people that peaked in
high school, and he peaked at his job as the
face of the cruise ship that was he says multiple times,
is the best times of my life edited d D
da da da da dah. And I was like, okay, yeah,
probably it's a high school ship exactly. I mean yeah.
So day one they depart, Day two they're at sea.

(24:03):
Day three they do Aruba. Day four they hit caraus out.
Day five is at sea, Day six is Saint Martin,
day seven is Saint Thomas, and then eight they returned
back to San Juan. So that's the itinerary that we
have for this cruise. This ship is massive. If you've
never seen a cruise, ship in real life walked up

(24:26):
to it. It's they're huge, it has it is able
to carry and I think at the time there was
well over two thousand passengers on the ship. And this
trip is actually a work gift for Amy's father for
his job, and they offer to cover a full the

(24:46):
full family of four, but they just got one room,
so all four adults are staying in one and cruise
ship rooms are tiny, even these balcony ones, there's not
a lot of room. So a we bought postcards along
the trip that she was sending back to people film
supplies to enter a photo contest of some sort. Days

(25:11):
one through three seemed to be a picture perfect fun time, right.
We see photos of formal night and if anyone doesn't
know on formal night, like you have to dress up.
I think when I went on the cruise, my formal

(25:32):
night was like one of my homecoming or prom gowns,
like it's all out okay, And then we see videos
and pictures from the family having fun. They all kind
of note that during that time, Amy seems to get
a little bit of extra attention from the staff, including

(25:52):
the point where her dad even joked there was a
kind of a running joke on the boat that they
were saying, if anyone ever needs anything, just tell them
that Amy wants it, and it's gonna get done taken
care of. That evening, after dinner, everyone changed out of
their former, well former ware. The deck party starts at
ten pm, late by some standards, including mine.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's way to that bedtime exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
This is maybe why we wouldn't be good on a
cruise ship, because I'm like, whar's like the nighttime bed
story and like.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Warm tea I need?

Speaker 1 (26:31):
But a party starting at ten o'clock. Okay, So there's
a limbo, as there always is, and oddly enough, Brad wins.
He wins this ridiculous crown. He gives it to his
sister and then they continue the night. The party was
called Dancing under the Stars, so people are outside, they're drinking,

(26:56):
they're dancing, having an amazing time. One am Amy's parents
decide they're tired, they're going to bed, so the same
I was like, they that's impressive. Amy and Brad decide
to head to the ship's disco that's just like a
nightclub dancing in music. I'm guessing located on one of

(27:18):
the upper decks. After dancing having a few drinks, Brad
decides to leave. He signals to Amy because they are separated.
He's down it seems like on the floor. Amy's upstairs
by the DJ booth. He kind of signals to make
eye contact. Let's so know, like, hey, I'm wrapping it up,
I'm heading out. At three thirty five am, Brad returns

(27:40):
to the cabin, and we know this because the electronic
lock was timestamped. His parents are already asleep, and he
decides to go out to the balcony. Literally five minutes later,
three p forty timestamped, the door's unlocked again. Amy returns.
She and Brad sh cigarette finished their drinks and talk

(28:03):
about their plans for the next day. She casually mentions
that some of the ship's band members had hit on her.
She was a little uncomfortable about it, but just kind
of brushed that person's sort of attention off. Around four am,
Brad tells us that he went inside to finally call
it a night. Four am. Can you imagine going to

(28:24):
bed at four in the morning.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I get up before I know I wanted to go
to work. These people are coming home after I'm already
up to go to work. I they thought of this
just makes it makes me nauseous, I know, because staying
up too late for me make I get sick. And yeah,
too late is like eleven eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Even on vacation. Yeah, I say, the latest nights we've
ever had on vacation were when you and I kid
free went to New York and we stayed up and
out into the city and one or two in the morning.
But again that's because the time change.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
It doesn't because here's the best part. We're going to
find out they're docking and have to be in Curasu at.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Seven in that I also would like to know what
any if anyone was thinking long term ahead that they
have to be that they're getting off the ship at
seven thirty in the morning.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
It's almost four in the morning.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
You're going to the three hours.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
You can function for three hours, not me.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I can function, but I want to be enjoyed like
my trip, and I want to be a pleasant person
to be around. And I'll tell you what three hour
of sleep. Sierra is not going to be a peach
in Cuasu.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
That doesn't sound like a vacation me. So in New York. Yeah,
we're out till one one thirty two in the morning.
We slept till nine thirty ten o'clock.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, exactly, so five thirty am, give or takee Now,
mind you this is all Suppose Yeah, I would say,
this is all people. This is firsthand information that we're
getting from the Bradley family. So when I give you times,
they're estimated, approximate, they're not.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Suppose Ron the father wakes up, briefly sees that brad
is in bed, and notices that Amy's feet are stretched
out on a laune on a lounge chair out on
the balcony, rolls over, falls back asleep. He wakes up
again sometime he said between six and six thirty and

(30:37):
notices that Amy is gone. The balcony door is still open,
but it gets up. Notices that her cigarettes are missing,
and that her yellow polo tank or yellow polo shirt
that she had been wearing at the deck party was
left inside the room on a chair. We never find

(30:59):
out and this be wrong. Maybe I miss it somewhere.
I don't know if Brad ever says whether she had
it on while outside with him. Yeah, I don't know, Yeah,
I don't know. So Ron assumes that Amy changed her
clothes and maybe had just decided to call it good.
She wasn't gonna fall asleep and go up and get coffee.

(31:21):
Makes sense or possible that she's wanting to get photos
of the sunrise. While also pulling into port, he decides
he's awake. I'm gonna just go up, look for my daughter,
find her, enjoy a cup of coffee, and let everyone
else sleep. I had a peanut in my tooth, That's
why I was eating for lunch. But he can't find her,

(31:49):
you know, and I don't think he panicked quite yet,
But he says he looks for her and gets to
the point where he can't find her. Then he goes
back to the room and wakes up his wife, saying
that basically he been looking for Amy for almost an

(32:09):
hour and couldn't find her.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, it's a little strange, and the fact that this
ship is so big and really quick to freak out.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I don't know if there's any freak out yet, but
I will say my only thing is is at that
time went on a cruise ship. Not everything is open.
There might even be sections of the ship that are
closed off.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I don't know. I've never been on one. So and
I'm going to guess that with looking for an hour,
there was probably only a few places to look for her.
And if he doesn't see her.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, he's probably like if yeah, you and you're going
to go to the lobby, You're going to check kind
of the main places, walk the deck, you can't find
you find them?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, then you're probably your biggest fear is did they
fall overboard?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
You know, and if they did, we need to look
for as soon.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
As as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, I mean you were on a cruise ship. If
someone is missing, time is of the essence because of where.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
They seems to be a principle lost on guest relations. Yeah,
because that's the next person that we meet around seven
fifty in the morning, guest relations is notified. Manager Brett
describes the Bradleys as forceful with their please.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I had to put at seven am.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
You ad at seven am, that's what I had. Okay,
I wrote down seven to fifty. But so okay, we
can I mean yours is probably correct.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
So that's what he'd been according at least to my notes,
they've been looking for and they go to him.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, right, Yeah, is that what that's Yeah? He let
me go back up in my notes. So yeah, around
six point thirty though, is when he leaves the hotel
room to go look for her. So it should be
somewhere between seven thirty and eight in the morning that
guest relations is notified. Manager Brett Yeah, describes the Bradleys

(34:24):
as quote forceful in their pleas for help. The family
begged for a public announcement over the PA. But and
this is again, like I the cavalier behavior. Comments from
this manager Brent and the face of the cruise ship

(34:46):
Kirk are almost like, where do you get off asking
us to do this?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Like?

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Who? We have two thousand other people we have to
consider first. It's again but out of those two thousand
p people, one person could be in major grave danger.
What is the harm in actually taking this? Hearus, And
I am sure on a cruise ship where there is
a lot of sun and alcohol, people tend to curl

(35:19):
up and fall asleep under a teller X, Y or Z.
But unfortunately, when you when people's safety are under your umbrella,
you lose the right to brush everything off as annoying
as it might get over and over and over again.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I appreciated that they
at least were telling you pretty much their thought process
at the time. And I'm like, you guys have probably
or at least hopefully have all learned your lesson from this.
But unfortunately, this was the mentality in the way cruises

(36:02):
were run at that time. And I mean, like, that
is what they're there for, is for entertainment and service,
right And unfortunately, because that is their focus, that's the
first thing they're going to do instead of safety. So

(36:24):
I mean, like I said, safety clearly was not a
top priority. This is the problem I had with Brett
here because I wrote his name down. He says, hey, listen,
I can't I can't make an announcement. It's too early.
I might disturb the guests. Come go look for her again,

(36:48):
come back in thirty minutes, and if you still can't
find her, then I wrote it down. I'll get you
in touch with security. Yeah, why weren't you getting her
in touch with them with security at least right then?
I guess what I'm saying is what harm would have
done to say, hey, you know what, because first off,

(37:12):
that's not your wheelhouse, your guest services.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Security might have said, hey, we need to do X,
Y or Z.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
You should have passed this off instantly and listen, it's
not your job description. And trust me, like I work
for the government. The first thing we do is like, well,
that's not my job description, Like that's you know.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
But can you imagine if a nine to one to
one dispatcher was like that sounds like you might be
able to do this on your own. Why don't you
call back and try this this and this YouTube your symptoms?
See if this is my put some ice on it,
issue right here and call back in thirty minutes and
then at that point I'll put some money through.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
So you have security, someone's head of it. And this
person who has does not work for security, makes the
call to not put them in contact with security. Huge
mistake and why And that's what I'm saying, what to do?
That's the point I'm making. What harm would it have
done to say, hey, listen, you know what, this is

(38:13):
ou outside of my wheelhouse. Even if you want to
deny making the public announcement, still disagree that's wrong, but
just say, hey, you know what, why don't you go
talk to these people? Which this is their forte, This
isn't my forte, all right, anyway. So this is where
I will take over. I'll tell the part of this.
So they go and look for him. They come back,

(38:37):
still can't find her. It doesn't matter. They have now
docked that currousel and the mom tells us she's pleading
with them, please don't let anyone off the ship. We
need to find our daughter. We can't find her, don't
let her they and that's where we get the Kurr guy.
He's like, listen, man, we're not stopping these these people
on vacation. So boom they open up.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I cannot imagine everyone though they're in this situation. I
would have been standing in front of those doors, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
But what do you do?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
So they did everything they could. They bag, they pleaded,
they cried, they but literally zero empathy was given to
these people. No everyone all use that entire staff that
was had hands on this seemed like they could care less.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
So around nine am they tell us that they go back.
They tell them, hey, listen, we still can't find our daughters.
So now everyone's off the ship. So the crew does
a search of the ship. We get told like the
ship is ten decks a thousand feet long, but there's

(39:42):
a massive crew on their supposed day. They've run drills
for this, I don't know that. They search every nook
and cranny of the ship. The parents and family, the
Bradley family, are in their room. The captain comes back,
comes to their room and says, listen, sorry, we cannot

(40:02):
find your daughter. She's nowhere to be found. So they think, well,
of course, their first.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Thing is everyone assumed, the entire staff. Their mindset is basically,
do they not have any protocol and what they do
if they believe someone has fallen overboard? It doesn't seem
to so.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
They think she's fell overboard, So they contact the local
authorities of the port. They're in the currous how police.
We get introduced to John mentor you know, Susan parentheses.
That's what his name meant, was John so okay, but

(40:47):
he's the chief of police and curiusaw and he said,
all right, listen, let's start a search. They've got the navy,
their navy, they've got the Coastguard, the police and and
they start searching a massive grid. And he says, like
he's lived on the island his whole life. If anything

(41:07):
is out there, it will wash up, something will wash.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Up, And I put a lot of credit into that
this man is not just law enforcement, but has lived
there his entire life. This is probably not the first
time that someone's either fallen off, jumped off, or has
dumped something off shore.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So they do a search and they say it was
a massive search. They don't find anything and nothing is
washing up.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, did you write down as quote up? He said,
and I quote The thing is strange like that was
just his like.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
He's like he just he doesn't knows nothing, nothing there.
So around five six o'clock daily and that's what we get.
He says, Hey, man, life goes on the crew I
cruise must go on? What Yeah, which is wild to

(42:12):
me because again, you are responsible, yes, for these people,
especially if.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Your only responsibility is not just them having fun.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well, I think, but that's clearly how they took the responsibility.
So life goes on.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
They said, cruises go on.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
I was like, oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
So I come to find out that's very shortly after
that the news starts breaking in the US. It's starts
getting traction in the US like hey.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
And immediately the cruise line is super willing to be
helpful and want to make sure everything is safe. Right,
that's their biggest concern. There's a story out about them.
They've got to help find this missing woman.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, no, no care.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Their biggest concern is how this is going to be
a pr nightmare for their bottom line.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, obviously that's going to be I mean obviously, Like
it's a company.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I understand that, but I cannot imagine being ahead of
a company and being like, you guys, we need to
put our resources behind this family because if not, we
are going to lose the trust of the people that Instead.
It's if the story gets out, then we this is
going to have an effect on us.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
It's it's a mess.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
So all right, So the FBI now gets involved. There's
a field office at Saint Thomas, pretty small field office.
So we get introduced to the FBI agents Sheridan and
Victor McCollum. So they went to San Martin because that's

(44:08):
where the ship was going. Next. Next, yep, they board
the ship. But they're now boarding the ship two days
after she's got missing. It sounded like it was the
next day in the evening they bored so, but it's
still been a long time since she's been missing, and

(44:33):
they're like, all right, let's start our investigation.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
And where do you started at.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
We're going to start in the last place she was seen.
They go straight to the Bradley room. But what are
you going to do come to find out the room's
been cleaned?

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Why I don't make it again? Bare minimum? Don't you
think that the cruise ship would have said, there's potentially
at worst comes doors, someone jumped off this, we need
to do some kind of investigation. Let's lock this room up.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
This is this is my big issue here.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
This is like your third big issue with it, Like
how well I guess the crue ship handled this because.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
You were asking like what when you start? Had I
ever thought about the dangers of cruising this? Someone hadn't
thought about it. But you get to think like there
is no technically law enforcement on board, so there is
no protocols and no one clearly took charge from a

(45:34):
law enforcement standpoint to say, hey, this is what we
need to do.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
So then what is the point of security?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And that is a massive problem is that this security
works for them. What were they doing? How were they
not involved? Sounded like the captain was making all the
decisions and security should have there should be some type
of separation between a cruise ship and security, where security's

(46:05):
job is the safety and the well being of the
them and should be able to make calls. But again,
you're still they're still going to be them working for
the company.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Even if the assumption by the entire staff of the
cruise was she fell or jumped off. You left a
port with one less body on board than of which
you took away with. Are you you know you have
to return back? Don't you have any kind of protocol

(46:41):
because they say casually like, yeah, it happens, people jump
or they fall off. Okay, so what do you do
then you see that or not? I don't work because
they have to do as if well, if she fell
or jumped off, we oh, zero explanation blinder.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, I agree, it doesn't make it is mind boggling.
So and then how.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
An entire cleaning crew was allowed to come in and
scrub that place up, up and down.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
That I don't get either. But this is again, this
is a massive problem with cruise lines because they're in
international waters. Once you get twelve miles out, you're in
international waters, which means there's no jurisdiction.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I'm going to open up a bank on a boat
twelve miles out of shore, and then people can.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Technically, I guess you could. But so, yeah, so their
room's already been cleaned.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, there's nothing there, And.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
The FBI says, he checks the balcony. The balcony's railing.
He says, it comes up to almost's chest, so it's
very high. The likelihood of her just stumbling and falling
over is pretty rare. Her shoes were on the balcony.
They said a table had been moved, but that's not Again,

(48:01):
the some uncommon.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
It's also not like these balconies are huge.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
They're tiny. You have four adults in this room, so
stuff's gonna get moved. So okay, the first thing they
start doing, what's the first thing you do?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Interview the family? Yeah, of course they are the last
people to have seen her.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, of course they're not happy that the FBI is
talking to them. But again, you are the ones that
are saying you were the last she is did come
to the room. We know that as a fact. Yeah,
that is the last.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Place the three people in that room saw her. There.
I will say I give some I think that the
dad ron didn't seem to be as maybe annoyed or
perplex that the FBI was interviewing them. I think this
mother has been living in hell for as since that day.

(49:01):
And I think the way she talks about almost everybody
in this documentary outside of like her very close circle
of people, she has quite a bit assault towards everyone
and rightfully.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
So absolutely, yeah, I trust that what this family went
through is her right.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
And where they go to every single day I can't
even imagine. But yeah, the fault kind of clear is
because the dad ron says to his wife, you know
why they're interviewing us so much? Because I think she
seemed confused at the time.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well, they interview them together, then they separate them and
they are which is standard. But the FBI come and say,
it's like, we don't think the family was involved. Yeah,
they just don't.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
It sucks, but it has to be done because unfortunately most.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Well let's just eliminate that, yeah, and we can move
on to the next.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Statistically, so most people are injured by their family members
or people close to them.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
So they're trying to put the time on together. We
already kind of talked about that. Amy enters back into
the room at three forty am. Yeah, they know that,
but they have no idea if she left because there's
no digital nothing to say that the door was opened
or someone. But it only shows when a key card
went in and when someone entered. So they say five

(50:18):
point thirty that's when the father saw her on the
balcony approximately at that time, and then at six am
he said he woke back up and that's when he
didn't see her on the balcony. So that's between that
five thirty and six is their timeline where they don't
know what happened. They start searching the ship. There's cameras,

(50:43):
but only in the common areas and not a lot
of them, so there's just nothing to go off. They
pull all the cameras, they start looking, there's nothing, there's
nothing to find. Yeah, they don't see her. So where
are you taking over?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I can bounce in here if you want me to.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
So this is about when once again we kind of
start to see the FBI. I think she used a
really good term she said. Other than like a couple
of these facts, everything else is murky, and they've got
to build a timeline. So they start talking to people,

(51:25):
which is creating rumors spreading through the passengers. They we
there's passengers from the ship interviewed, and there's one telling
us that he'd heard that she fell, and then it
was that she jumped, and then we get Kirk back
on saying that she had bragged to multiple people that

(51:47):
she could swim very good, and like maybe she decided
to jump over and try to beat the boat to pour.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
So no, he says that was a rumor that had
been going around. Yeah, clearly there.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Was a ton of rum Yeah, there's a rumor that
she was drugged. And all of these accounts like are
this is an endless jigsaw puzzle of rumors, and rumors
do not help anything because then if anyone is interviewed
from the FBI, they have some sort of like preconceived
or you know how quickly rumors become facts in these worlds.

(52:31):
So enter in. Some of the witnesses are interviewed, and
the first one that we hear from is Wayne. He's
a gentleman who is the next door passenger on the
cruise ship to the Bradley's room. Okay, he lets us

(52:51):
know that he had often chatted with Amy on the
balcony at night. On the night that she vanished, though
he claimed she didn't hear anything unusual, He didn't see
anything other than passengers, later gossiping that for some reason,
the next day after she went missing, he kept his
TV and radio on blaringly loud, which struck some people

(53:15):
as suspicious. However, the FBI does search his cabin and
room thoroughly and they find nothing. Chris, this actually really liked.
This guy was a passenger, but he was a videographer
for a company. Yeah, this is actually where ninety eight

(53:37):
percent of like the FBI's footage comes from. So this
gentleman was on the ship filming highlights for the company
that he worked for. It seemed like they had sent
some of the leadership on this cruise, or salespeople or whatever,
and his job was to videotape a lot of it

(53:57):
so that they could showcase it at the end of
the year or something like that. He sees a missing
the Missing Amy poster and starts going through his footage
and found clear shots of Amy dancing with the gentleman

(54:19):
that has become kind of synonymous with this case, which
is his name was Alistair Douglas. His nickname was Yellow.
This video shows Yellow giving Amy a lot of attention
on the dance floor the night before she goes missing
for the band. Yes, he's a staff member of the

(54:41):
cruise ship. And Chris does say something interesting, This is
like the only time I hear of security being involved
in anything, the.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Only thing security tried to do.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yeah, Security calls Chris's room before Chris is even talked
to anyone and says, hey, we know that you've been
taking a lot of footage. We're gonna need your tapes,
not just your tapes, your master tapes, your master tapes.
And what is Chris say? No, I don't give my

(55:13):
master tapes to anybody, like.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
No, I'm not giving you And then he didn't even
give it to security. He made copies.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
He instantly makes copies yep, and turns all of that
over to the FBI and what would become critical evidence.
Then we meet Lorie. She's another passenger and she reports
seeing Amy and Yellow in a glass elevator sometime possibly

(55:44):
between the hours of five am and six am, heading
up to the closed nightclub. She later says that Yellow
passed by her again walking or on the so she's
on the deck walking past her and it was weird
because he didn't acknowledge her. So let's break that down

(56:08):
real quick. So Laurie and her friend had been dancing
and partying and having a good time, had gone back
to their rooms tried to go to sleep, and for
some reason they're not tired. They can't sleep, so which
now seems to be like a running thing that no
one can sleep on this ship, and everyone is handy
dandy about that, the ship the ship that can't sleep.

(56:30):
So they go up to the deck to watch the
ship come into port. They are on a part of
the deck where if they look slightly over their shoulder
and up is this giant glass window that showcases inside
and in the middle of that is a glass elevator,
so you can see people coming up and down whatever,

(56:54):
and it also allows you to have view into like
the were the nightclub entrances. They claimed that as they
were standing there.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
They.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Had seen Amy and knew who she was, kind of
because there's not a ton of young people on this ship,
so they kind of had gotten to see each other
and recognize each other as they're at these different events.
And Yellow, because he was very flirtatious with them earlier
and had tried really hard to kind of get snuggled
in with them as well, and they noticed them going

(57:30):
up the glass elevator and getting out, and then they
don't really put a lot of thought into it until
a little while later Yellow walks past them on the deck,
and they said, the only thing that was noticeable notable
about that was is that Yellow for most of the
time had been very flirtatious and had given them a
lot of attention, and then that time when he walked past,

(57:50):
he literally didn't even acknowledge their existence. So it stood
out to them. Okay, The FBI comes back on to
say that if if this story is true, this would
be quote a game changer. The problem is would they
have no way to Actually, you need something else to

(58:13):
go along with this. You either need several more witnesses,
You need a timestamp, you need a video, you need something.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
They even say they weren't sure of the time. No
one can quite be sure of the time.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Well, everyone at this point has been up for twenty
something hours partying and.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Drinking, drinking heavily. So unfortunately you have to take what
they're saying with a grain of salt. Not with a
grain salt, but else It is a possibility that the
memory at least on time frames could be off even.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
On coherent, well rested sober minds. Eyewitness testimonies are not great. Yeah,
they need something else to along with it. So at
this point we find out that Douglas or Yellow has
been interviewed. He admits to dancing and flirting, but denies
any involvement in her disappearance. He took a polygraph test,

(59:11):
the results are inconclusive, and the FBI says they have
no concrete evidence to hold him. You can't just and
he's not a US citizen, and they are not on
US territory. Nope, tye in. Everybody who has any authority

(59:32):
to help their hands tied, and the people that have
authority to do a little bit more are doing nothing.
So the family decides to return home. March twenty seventh,
Day four. The cruise is wrapping up and ending. The
Bradleys make the agonizing decision to disembark and fly home

(59:55):
without em and then the dad ron tells us this
just heartbreaking, and you can feel this. He says that
on the way home, as they're landing, the turbulence was insane,
worst than he'd ever experienced. They're being tossed around it

(01:00:17):
was terrifying for probably anyone else there. However, he says
that he just felt this sense of like calm and
just like great, if the plane crashes, this ends, this
whole ordeal could be over.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
That is a I can't even imagine what this family
was going because here you are, you're stuck on this ship.
You know as a parent that something terrible has happened. Yeah,
and you probably feel pretty helpless because you're screaming at

(01:00:56):
the top of your lungs to the people, the few people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
That should have help can help, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
And they're just brushing you off. Yeah, And I can
imagine how powerless that feels. And so I can only
imagine just I am, just how terrible and helpless and
they this family felt. Yeah, Like I said, I mean,

(01:01:27):
you know, And that's the other thing. It's you know,
one thing when you're in a state and in a country. Unfortunately,
when something terrible happens, you're thinking it could be anywhere.
Now everywhere is a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yeah, and the crime scene is a moving ship, but
you're on a ship that's really only one thousand feet
tall and ten Yeah, that is big, but in the
reality of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
It's tiny.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
So as a parent and a family, you know, oh,
my daughter clues something that happened to my daughter is
right here, it's on this ship, and you just need
someone to listen and take it seriously. I do think
the FBI was taking it seriously, but unfortunately you're two

(01:02:17):
days late, and as an investigator, that is a mass.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Well, the first forty eight hours are the most important.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
And all the evidence has been wiped away, gone, So
the FBI is starting with this massive stumbling block. Huge yep.
So they're way behind, and I can only imagine as
the parents, you are just want to literally rip your

(01:02:47):
hair out because you know if someone would take you
seriously that it might or at least you're hoping would
bring something for it. And the Cruise Line clearly didn't, yep.
And that is really what started this ball into the
chaos it is today, because no one would take these

(01:03:08):
people seriously. I mean, like I said, I was saying
like it was weird, but I'm not saying that in
a bad way. It was weird that they were so quick,
but that's not a bad thing. Clearly, as parents, you
have intuition. They knew something was wrong and they wanted
someone they were within the hour, yep, pleading for help,
and no one would take them seriously. And that is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
And I think the what ifs has got just spin
your brain.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Well, now the what ifs are endless because you don't know.
And I feel bad listening today's FBI people, it is
clear they say, listen, we can't rule anything out. Yep.
We have no idea, and we have to keep every
avenue open.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
And normally the whole point is, let's check off the list,
let's start eliminating option ABC.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
The only thing we're able to rule out is the
family wasn't involved.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, that's the only thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
And at the last place she was known to be
is that she did return to her room.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Once you rule the family out, that actually opens more doors. Yep.
So that's it's massive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
So back in Virginia, the family turns their grief into action.
They set up a command center, they start reaching out
to press law enforcement. They're doing everything they can to
keep Amy's case alive. Their matra seems to be over

(01:04:44):
and over. Someone knows something, and then we hear this quote,
I know where she is. Amy is alive. So that
is where episode one leaves us yep, yip yippers. There's

(01:05:12):
a lot to take in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
It's a lot in this episode. I mean really, when
you think about it, I think I told you episode
three it's a lot of just storytelling of their life
and the family. Yeah, right, episode threes it'll get you, yeah,

(01:05:36):
because you see just the agony this family goes through
for decades technically, But this episode is this is the meat,
this is telling you, hey, this is what happened, and

(01:05:56):
this is what we know. Episode two is going to
get us into a lot of theories.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yeah, because no theories have been eliminated yet, right, So
you have to look at every possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
You got to pull it every string and see where
it leads you. And unfortunately, when all of that is
based upon people's accounts and sightings, it can lead to
a lot. But this one really just kind of gives

(01:06:32):
you the meat and potatoes of this is what we know,
this is what this is what happened, and this was
what was done to Tunic.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Or not done?

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Yeah? Yeah, mostly not done? All right? So what what
was your thoughts on I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Mean, it's it's I will say, it's really well done
as far as bringing you into the story and just
I mean, how does someone go missing on a cruise ship.
You're in the middle of the ocean in a steel container.

(01:07:14):
What happened to Amy Bradley? And it's not like she
went out dancing and everyone was in their room and
you didn't see her.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
For six hours? Yeah, I mean, your timeline is thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Thirty minutes. How does someone in thirty minutes vanish without
a TRACE's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
And it's scary because, like I said, it made it
made me think more about cruises. And yeah, we didn't
find we.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Didn't really talk about. There was a lady interviewed. I
wrote down her name.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I think I did too. We meet her Jamie Burnett
Barrett Barrett, Yeah bear it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah, so she is a cruise safety advocate. I went
on a little side quest. She's done tons of interviews.
I tried to find some more information. She runs this
advocacy group for a club that nobody wants to be in.

(01:08:19):
It's survivors, victims and survivors and their families of people
who have had terrible things done to them or to
family members while on cruise ships. And they have a
website and you want to never go on a cruise again.
Go on that website and read the first hand counts

(01:08:41):
of sexual assaults of missing like people like it is overwhelming,
and they work, they're advocating, they're working really hard to
try to make this form of travel and vacationing safer
and have some sort of standard BA minimum just so

(01:09:03):
that you are informed. And I was reading somewhere or
this was on the other cruise documentary about the poop
member one on Netflix. When you buy your cruise tickets,
at least at the time, some of this language has
been removed. At least I think it was on this.
They are not liable for anything, Like, they do not
guarantee your safety, they don't guarantee your well being, they

(01:09:26):
don't guarantee this like all of this insane stuff where
you're like, but I'm at your mercy. I can't bring
food on the ship with me if you guys run
out of food, or if the air condition or the
refrigerator system breaks, and they're like, we're not really technically
obligated to feed you. Well, then where am I supposed to?

(01:09:47):
But you can send to all of those things unknowingly
when you go on a cruise ship. The Bradley family
tried to file a civil suit against the cruise ship.
The cruise ship is the problem in this story. But
again I have a feeling that all of those clauses
that you agree to when you choose to embark on

(01:10:08):
a cruise ship, the cruise owes you nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
So just thinking about it, and I'm not an expert,
this made me really you know, like I said, I
think through this, and I could be wrong in some
of my takes on this. You got to think this
ship belongs to a private entity, A private company owns it, Okay,

(01:10:35):
then once they sail it. I mean there's one thing
like if you're in a hotel, Hilton owns it. Yeah,
but it's on US soil. So the government now is
it has an interest and they have.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
A level of expectation of what standards are to operate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
You have that vehicle, if it happens in a hotel,
even though it was in that hotel, which is owned
by a private company, it's on US soil, and like
we've established.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
You're going to put your building on our soil, there
is a certain level of safety and protocols that require.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
And we've established a norm that the police go in
and they investigate all these things. When something terrible happens, Well,
you're taking this private property and you're sailing it onto
international waters. Now, no one has an interest in that
ship anymore. The only people are the people that own
the ship. So then if something happens, there is no

(01:11:34):
one I mean I already kind of spoke on this
a little bit earlier, but there is no one there
too that has an interest in your safety and w
and investigated.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
There's no US office on a cruise ship that you
can go in there, knock on the door and say
I have a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Obviously if something happens, because that ship was based out
of the US, but some of them are not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
That's what I went on to find out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Oh, I know I'm talking about this one, right, This
one was based out of the US. It was. It's
owned by a US company, or at least for I
could be wrong. You are wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
They ported in the Puerto Rico.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
That's a US territory, yes, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Where they hire and do all of these things. They
never tie the actual ownership of the crews to anything
with a US yeah address or anything, because who they hire,
what their level of safety and maintenance and everything on,
that is all going to be listed under a different

(01:12:35):
name and address or report location whatever however you store
this cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
There was some interest at least for the government because
they sent to FBI.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Agents because it was because she was a US citizen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
And that's what I'm saying, like there is something not enough,
And that's what I'm saying, there's not enough where you
can actually there's no interest for the government to put
law enforcement there. Yeah, Right, we put some law enforcement
in planes because there is an interest in that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Yeah, Because I think that was one thing that I've
talked to several people about is why don't we have
cruise marshals or some sort of Yeah, fair question, but
we didn't have air marshals until someone weaponized airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Right, And it is scary to think that you can
go out there. It is now run by this private
entity and something terrible can happen and no one really
is going to advocate or protect you. Yeah, And that

(01:13:44):
leaves it even the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Safety standards, the way the employees are hired, the lack
of maybe background checks and X, Y or Z. You
assume as an American citizen when you get on a
carnival cruise out of an American poor, and the captain
is American and your face of the cruise is some white,
blonde hair like boy like. You just assume that this

(01:14:09):
is that the standards are going to be here, when actually,
maybe wherever the legal stuff that's important that keeps you
safe is all decided, the threshold of what is expected
the cruise ship to do is not at US standards.
It's wherever the ship is registered and is an I

(01:14:30):
don't have a solution, no, I mean, I'm just now
thinking about this. That's what this ladies group is about,
is they're advocating trying to get because so her daughter
passed away on a cruise ship due to her boyfriend
overdosing her with I can't even remember what it was,

(01:14:52):
and the boyfriend had snuck it onto the cruise ship.
You're not supposed to bring drugs and alcohol onto the
cruise ship. He got it on it. Ayways, long story short.
She even brought up the point that this happened in
international waters. The Mexican authorities were the ones that went
confiscated the body and performed to the odd toopsy and expartcy,

(01:15:14):
which there's a language barrier there, but US law will
not allow a body even when it has been committed
a crime to it to be shipped from like Mexico
to America. Let's even say, like one medical facility to

(01:15:34):
the next without it being embalmed first. It is a
federal requirement. Once a body's been cleaned and embalmed, you
can no longer perform tons of testing that you would
maybe do. And she just even brought up, like I was,

(01:15:56):
that is a crazy thought to think here, this American citizen,
something was done, she passed away. You're trying to get
her remains back to America. So then at that point
you're assuming that an actual investigation can take place and
charges can be filed if that needs to happen. And
that's why she said, you want to get away with murder,

(01:16:17):
you take somebody on a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
It's a scary thought. And I think, yeah, like I said,
I don't have any answers. This is I am now
just thinking about because I've I've already said I've never
been on one. I don't have a ton of interest
on going on one. But thinking about it, it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Creates a lot of tell you what, I'd never want
to take my teenagers, especially my teenage daughter, on one.
Of these.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Yeah, and I mean you really really think it's multiple
countries trying to do international relations, which we all know
that that's never good for the individual. Might be good
for the collective, but it's not good for an individual.
What ends up happening is the individual is now at
risk because you have too many people and too many

(01:17:14):
people that don't want to take responsibility or just kind
of want to wash their hands. And with you have
multiple countries, multiple jurisdictions, and private entities, and the last
person that's going to get taken care of is the
individual person. Now, they're always going to suffer the consequences.

(01:17:34):
So if something bad does happen to you, good luck
it did. I will say this, It sounded the IE
agents did say if they had evidence, they would have
arrested Yellow.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
I'm not saying Yellow did it. I'm just saying that's
not what I'm saying. I'm not trying to point the finger.
She's the one said if we had evidence that he
had done something, so they technically could have arrested him
and charged in with something, which is good. That's a
positive sign. But unfortunately their jurisdiction and their ability to
do anything was so restricted and that is a disaster.

(01:18:14):
And what the solution when one of your prime.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Suspects still to this day is not an American citizen.
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Not on you as soil? You can do?

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Nothing, you can do? So yeah, I mean I think
we'll wrap up today's episode just kind of with those
thoughts and things, because we're already at about our run time.
I think next week we will likely be able to
get to because episode three is much more remember each games. Yeah,

(01:18:48):
it's a very personal story, It's very well done. I'm
glad the family was so obviously involved in this project
because you you get to feel a lot of love
and empathy or these people going through this. So yeah,
with that, if you guys want to stick around, I

(01:19:09):
will ask Ben our weekly question. We'll kind of lighten
it up a little bit, and then join us again
next week and we'll finish up this thank you series. So,
just because today is marks are one year, do you
have any fun or lighthearted goals or ambitions for year

(01:19:33):
two for our podcast? Babe mh you want you finally
want one of those guest hosts to come in so
you can have you want to that's you want to
put that into action this year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, I think twice a month, twice a month, we
should have guest hosts and they can fill in for me.
I like that idea.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
That's my that's not that's this is not going to happen.
So make it a reasonable goal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Reasonable goal. I listen, this has been your baby, and
in my opinion, I've really already kind of hit the
goals and the effect of where it because we're pretty
smooth and how we do it now. I feel that
we're much more comfortable in doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
And I know, can you imagine like listening to the
first couple episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Now, I think it would be I still think I
think they were fine. I think we had a pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
I know the polishness I think has evolved.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
I'm sure it will get a little bit more polished
as time goes on. So yeah, I mean I've been
pretty happy. I I don't know. You clearly have much
more ambitions and goals for this. My goal was to

(01:20:58):
be able to be able to do it. Yeah, watching
Unsold Mysteries has the thought of rewatching this whole thing
and seeing every episode that was a feat and so
just being able to accomplish them it's a big goal
for me. Yeah and yeah, no, I I hope to

(01:21:20):
continue to be able to do this with you. Yeah,
so what's yours?

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Oh my gosh, I'm trying to be reasonable and just
keep it to this like year two, because long term,
I have insane goals for this podcast. I have. I
have already mapped out tur ideas. I've mapped out like
fun things we can do on stage. I have thought

(01:21:46):
all kinds, like the biggest dreams right being guests on
other true crime podcasts and getting to go to Crime Conic. Yeah,
I've got big plans. But for this next year, my
biggest goal is that we will have enough patrons coming
to us every month that we can start to offer

(01:22:10):
some sort of Patreon service that we can have a
monthly bonus episode. I'd like to have the ability to
do either watch along parties where everyone can log in
and watch Unsolved Mysteries like with me and Ben while
he watches it, because sometimes that's really fun. Or we

(01:22:33):
can do an Unsolved Mysteries trivia night. Just different things
like that that can be offered on Patreon. So that's
what I would like to see in the next year
that we can do which just means following along, rating,
review us, sharing us because as we grow, it gives

(01:22:57):
us the ability to offer some more stuff. And I
think be fun to get to know our community a
little bit better, to get to have the option to
be a little bit more personal. Let our head done
a little bit like going behind a paywall for an episode.
You know, you can be a little bit more i
don't know, laid back and kind of goof off a

(01:23:19):
little bit more. And then it would be fun to
be able to have options of, you know, different things
like that. And I'd like to do a merch launch
in this next year.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
What merch would you want?

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Sweatshirts? Obviously comfy codes. I want comfy, cozy sweatshirts for everybody,
But I've got to figure out what that looks like.
So I don't know just I mean, merch can be shirts, hats, keychains,
coffee mugs, the whole nine yards. But I'd like to
do a limited edition merch launch of some sort that

(01:23:55):
we don't have a ton of stock or anything here,
but that we do something small and see how it does. Yeah,
so those are your two goals, yeah, Patreon and a
merge launch. So yeah, all right, guys, that is our
recap of the first episode of the Amy Bradley documentary

(01:24:18):
that is available on Netflix, and please join us again
next week where Ben and I will wrap up the
Amy Bradley series. Bye bye.

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