Paging Dr. loser, Armored Truck Heist, Missing Dan Wilson & Sweetheart Swindler.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everybody, I'm Sierra and welcome back to another episode
of The Unsolved Couple. For every week, Ben and I
recap one of your.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Original Kate Ate drugs in the True crime Unsolved Mysteries.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I feel like I need to preface. Is that the
word preface?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Preface? Preface everybody? That we are recording late night?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh we're live. Yeah, I didn't see the light. Come on.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh, I didn't give you your countdown. I forgot Princess Ben. Yeah,
and you're not even close to your mic.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well I wasn't. I didn't know. But now I'm here,
I'm up. I'm up in it now.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
See that's why I think we needed to.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Pre preface, preface, preface about face.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, that it's late.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It is late.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
We've adulted all day kind of. I mean, I guess
I took a nap. You took a nap. We played
in the pool and listened to like nineties and two
thousands pop tunes for like two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
We watched an episode of Stranger Things with the kids.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
So that's that's where we're at. But how have you been,
my love? How was your week?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
It was good?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Good? Anything to share with our friends? No, no, you never. Well, really,
I shouldn't say never, because I think a few times
you've popped on here and been like, I've got something
to share. Well, just because we always record a little
bit ahead of time, there's been some we've been talking
just a little bit about some of the things going

(01:49):
on in the world of true crime. And in this
last couple of weeks, well this last like since we
recorded last time, P Diddy has been found guilty of
two of us four charges. Two of the last are ones,
and Brian Coberger, the Idaho for the one case that
you were intrigued to see how it turned out, took
a plea deal.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I did I actually read about Okay, do.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
You have any like Well, I guess just what are
your thoughts in the fact that this is dragged on
now for two years, he's claimed his innocence the whole time,
and then the trial was said to begin next month.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think
that's more of a question for the families, you know.
I know when I was reading, one family member's family
was happy it was over, but there was a dad
of one of the kings.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Kaye's dad has been very, very very upset and uh,
you know what, but fair, Yeah, I mean that's an
impossible So.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I mean, really, what what do I think that doesn't matter?
I mean, clearly this guy's I.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Guess, I mean, what were your thoughts on just the
fact that, like the state and potentially Brankover waited so
long to kind of write before.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think this guy waited so long because he clearly
thought he was the smartest person in the room at
all times.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
He's an idiot. But yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
It took this long. I think he thought there was
ways to get a lot of this stuff at least.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, he's trying to get some things thrown.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Out, thrown out evidence, whatever they had. And I don't know.
But then when I think pretty much when all of
that stuff was done, yeah, I think probably maybe he
finally came to his senses and realized, yeah, this is over,
and that was clearly that was the only other option
on his table. It is a little questionable why that

(03:43):
option was still on the table.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, you know, I mean some motive to do that,
which I'm in probably just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
At the end of the day, when you go to trial,
even if you think you have a slam done case,
there's always a very small yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I mean, look at the p Didty trial. So okay,
Kaylie Anthony, Like, at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I'm going to guess that the district attorney is saying, listen,
this is a surefire away to put this guy behind bars.
We don't even even if rolling that dice is one
in a thousand, and we end up with that one.
Let's not do that. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
And my only thought that was just I found intriguing
because he was super obsessed with Ted Bundy. He read
a ton about it, he studied it. That was like
his sort of like, for lack of a better word,

(04:52):
like his muse or his inspiration. And Ted Bundy's trials
were so explosive in a way way that I was
kind of surprised to see him choose to not because
most prolific serial killers in history have gone forth with

(05:13):
a trial because they seek the attention, right they like
to be So I found it very interesting against his
sort of what little we know about his maybe sociology
or you know, his psyche about it, to choose to
walk away from it. I found that kind of just
different than what I would have expected.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I just think he's a narcissist, and the fact that
he thought he was smarter. He clearly thought he was
going to get away with it. Then he thought he
could outsmart all the lawyers. And when all of that
came crashing.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
And you want to get a narcissist to figure out
you off from the death penalty was always And here's
the thing, Yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Is concern is to still be alive. Yeah, you know. Yeah,
when all of that that's said and done and he
is truly faced with he's going to die.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
And I don't know how quickly Idaho executes people. I know,
if it was California, he probably would say over sixty
seventy years yea, or New York whatever. Yeah, but Idaho's
a much smaller state. So I'm going to guess appeals
would move quicker and eventually all those appeals would be

(06:27):
done and he would be dead sooner than later. Yeah,
I'm going to guess.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
And no one is going to miss him, I mean no, Okay,
And then I won't get super into it. Right now,
I'm really struggling with the Paddy thing. This is really
hard for me, and the fact that women don't come

(06:52):
forward very often, and when they do what was she wearing?
Was she drinking? Was she this?

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Was she x y or z.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
And that was Unfortunately, the defense's only defense was that
these women wanted it, enjoyed it, liked it, participated willingly
x y or z. And we echoed home that narrative
by doing this. But and because of the case I'm

(07:27):
covering today, I'll get into it a little bit more.
But yeah, I just wanted to We're definitely not breaking
news by anyway, but it has been something we've been
talking about since those two things that we've kind of
been discussing and wrapped up, I thought we would just
touch base and put those in our review mirror, I guess,
and move on to the next thing, which is we

(07:51):
are recapping season three, episode three of Unsolved Mysteries.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I want a lot.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, this one has four stories.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I mean, it was all very different things. Yeah, but
no loss love thank good.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yes, I think I texted Ben. I was like, I
just got done watching no Lost Love in sight. If
we never cover another lost love story again, I would
be happy.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I don't think it's going to either.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I mean I guess that. I think that door got
open and so many people saw that possibility. Yeah, I
bet they had so many lost love stories that even
the ones we did get is the scratch of the
surface of what people called called.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah. So all right, so you're going to start us
off with today's first story.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
But we do have another.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
What do they call this heartbreaker?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Heart break? Yeah, scammer, whatever, con Yeah, this one was
a little weird.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah it was. Yeah, I don't know, story, different technique.
I guess I.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Tried the timeline. I'm a big timeline person.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, I think that's important. Think timelines are pretty.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Much timeline person. I like to know dates, how long
things went on for. And this one was kind of hard.
They didn't give you.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
These are hard because they the people remain anonymous, so
you can't do as much research on maybe the victims.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Well because like the last heartbreaker, it was five days.
It was a five day thing, and that.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Was why, And that was very pertinent to the story, right,
Like that.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Was his remo, Yeah, he was he was quick.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Then like this guy is a crock pot. The other
guy was the air fryer. This guy's a crock pot.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Ye, all right, So we get introduced. Obviously, this lady
does not want to be revealed, so they call her Catherine.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
And this is in September of nineteen eighty six, okay,
in Wisconsin. So she's at a what a singles meet
and greet older lady, middle aged, I guess we would say,
And she meets a man by the name of Eric Kessler.

(10:23):
They get to talking. He starts telling her, Hey, I'm
in town for business. He looks at properties and does
this for businesses, and he's supposed to be there for
a year.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
He's international, claiming to be claiming.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
He has a German accent. We don't know if it's
real or not, but that's how he comes across.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
So they get to talk, and she's imagine being so
deep into a lie that you have to have an
accent all the time. That's in itself is already too
exhausting for me to be that deep into a lie.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
I have an accent. I've been talking to my whole
life of accent. You don't even know how my my
real voice is.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
You've been conning me with an American accent.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
American divor. Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I just when they I was like, okay, cool story, bro,
but also that is just too much for me.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah. Anyways, so I don't know, we don't actually ever
find if it's a fake or real. I don't know. Okay.
So they start talking and she starts telling him about
her life, what she does, and she's I mean, clearly
she's single, but she has kids and she's a business owner.
She owns a hair salon.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Nope, nope, nope, no, that is not what Robert Stax calls.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, I know we're going to get into that, okay,
but that's what she owns. Okay. So this word salon
comes up a lot.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
It does come up a lot in this episode.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
And Robert Stacks does not say salon.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
No, he does not.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
He says salom, salon, salon. Yeah it is. I was
actually uncertain what he was saying. I turned on the.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Captioning salon.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
He says, he doesn't even say it salon. It is
so weird. It is so weird how he says he
says it multiple times. It's not like it was a
one off, no, I.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Know, because at first I thought he misspoke and I
was like, well, that was kind of a big edit
error to even the same thing. And then He doubles
and triples down and says it again, and he says salon.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
It reminded me of the the Brian Reagan where he
talked there. He tells the skit of I don't like
people that pronounce words wrong, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Past passed the cats up, the cats up.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
He's like I had to. He says that, It's like
I had to huddle my kids like they mean ketchup.
Don't worry, We're never going to see these people again.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Okay, yeah, sorry, I'm going to need you to say
it from now on hair salon.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Salon, salon, No, not saloon, not Kelly, and you mess
me up. I was gonna say hair salon. She owns
a hair salon. Okay. So he then starts to say, well,
you know what, guess what I know about this great
new business adventure. I just was introduced to this blah
blah blah.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Would you say business adventure adventure? It's business adventure.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I say adventure because it's an adventure.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Let's get on this adventure.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Not business adventure.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
It is an adventure for me to go on this
business adventure. So I'm gonna say it that way.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
You and Robert stacks can go on a hair Are you.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Huddling up and say, we're not going to see this person?
They did? All right, sorry, continue, this whole episode was
an adventure, all right. So he tells it's it's it's wild,
all right. We hear it's a video makeover. See it's
the best of the best. Okay, I'm sure it was

(14:24):
for late eighties or or mid eighties at nineteen eighty six.
Supposely you can take a picture of this person and
then you can put different hair colors and cut the
hair and all kinds of things. It looked awful. It
looks so bad, so bad. But they come up with
this great idea together to put it in a Midwest

(14:47):
department store chain. That's I just wrote that down. I
was like, I didn't understand really what they were. I'm
confused because she has a hair salon, saloon, salam, why
you would not want to put that in your hair
salon for people to see what they could then look like.
But I guess they're going to put it in an

(15:08):
apartment store for some reason. Okay, So, and they were.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Going to She was like, we could charge people like
a thousand dollars or something crazy to use this technology
but top.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Of the line new technology video makeover. Okay, that pretty
much people can just do on their selfie phones right now. Yeah,
you could do it right now.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
You can do it for for those apps for that now.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Okay. So they've got they've got this idea. So she's
got to now secure a loan for this. So she
goes to a friend and secures a fifty thousand dollars loan.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Did you adjust that for inflation.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
In the middle of eighties, that's about or one hundred
and fifty just over one hundred.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Imagine asking a buddy for one hundred and fifty grand.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
I don't know if I have a friend that just
has a hundred to hand out. I actually don't think
I have a.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Friend that I've got a podcast.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
And if you got this great idea.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
A great idea, all right, you take your picture.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
So she tells her, I'll pay it back in four months.
So they opened a business account. Eric Kessler tells her like, hey,
you know what, you just opened this account. Put it
in your name. You'll have control over it. Blah blah blah.
That just thinks yeah, real weird.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
It takes a turn real quick because at this entire time.
This was not a romantic relationship. They met at a
singles thing, but then they became colleagues in this business
venture adventure.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, they become business partners.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
And he's tricking her to believe that everything's in her
control because let's put it in your name. You can
do this to someone who may not understand what's happening.
This seems like there's no risk involved. I'm in the
one driving, I'm in the control.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah ship well yeah, yeah, right into the ground yep. Okay.
So he then moves into her basement and that's where
things start to turn romantic. Now they start dating, and
that's okay.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
It's more like they ended up just hooking up based
on proximity. I mean, I think this was part of
his plate too.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I don't know, she says. Three weeks later, three weeks
from when, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, I don't know if this is three weeks after
they got started home and he had bought her a
new keep size bed with fluffy throw.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Pellas, and he says, I just thought this would be
easier for us to share this instead of me like
sleeping in the basement. Now we have more room to
work we have more working space, and I can just
sleep in this bed with you, Okay, all right? That
escalated so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I was literally a guest when I saw this happening.
I was like, I'm sorry, you come home and this
man has taken the liberty to buy you a king
size bed for himself so that he can now.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
No, I don't know. I don't know. I've only come
home once to a guy in my bedroom.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
We've already been on that too, just kidding, all right, Yeah,
it takes a turn. They go from being but then.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
She pretty much she tells like how he just started
controlling everything, every decision, everything. He pretty much manipulated her
that she needed his approval on everything she did.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
But she looked like yeah, which is she doesn't.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Explain how it had evolved to that, but okay.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's a pretty common tactic for scammers, cult leaders, all
of it. Because he was also like sleep depriving her,
like making her okay, yeah into that.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So then he makes her lease a brand new Cadillac
with all the fictions.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, the payment on it. Did you write down what
the payment was on this lease?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
It was just under five hundred dollars four hundred and something.
But so back again, back then, just for inflation, that's
a fifteen.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Dollarsteen hundred dollars a month lease.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, And so that's when she tells us not only
was he, you know, controlling all of her decisions.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
What she wore, what she would work.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
This salon, and then she'd come home and he would
have her do the work for this business. They had
to the point in the middle of the night she
was sleep.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
She said she was only getting at like a now
or two of sleep before going in and putting in
a full day. And so yet her ability to make
reasonable decisions at this point.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
So he was giving her stuff like, hey, you need
to pay these invoices and they're thousands of dollars. And
he would tell her, hey, you I need the money
to pay this guy or this guy. They won't take
a check. They need cash and we have to pay
this guy.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, this guy's setting up our business x Y.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Or him the money. He would say, I need cash
advances for different things, to the point where they were
running out of their fifty thousand. She then ended up
putting twenty thousand more dollars of her money into the account.
So they actually show us the statement of the business account. Yeah, see,
that's so, I posit it and I was looking at it.

(20:47):
It started at least the first withdrawal started on October
twenty seventh. They met in September. So, and the last
one where it says that the balance was zero, Yeah,
November nineteenth.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Are you serious?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Three weeks he'd blown.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
He blowed through that and he had that much control
over her in three weeks.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah, I guess it seemed.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Like this that this had been going on for six
nine months.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, well, we know it hasn't because she had to
pay back the loan within four months.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Four months.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, so she said by this time their relationship is deteriorated.
He'd moved out, was dating someone else. I guess, she says.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, that he was like also getting money.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
From her and she they were fighting. She even says
she accused him of being a con man, which then
he replies to her, He goes, well, it's your word
versus mind. All the transactions are done in your name,
The business crown is in your name. You're the one
that's paid. All these things are written in the check.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
So all the things that he'd secured for her to
or it made her feel secure. Are actually what it
her in the butt?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah? It put her all. It put it all back
on her. He had zero zero tie to it liability
to this. He was not part of this adventure technically
on paper. So she then says, I guess they met
One night he's at a bar. She meets him and says, listen,

(22:22):
I'm supposed to pay back this alone for fifty thousand
dollars tomorrow. And you are the one that said you
would pay this back, and I'm supposed to do this.
What am I supposed to do? He says, we'll just
write the check. And he says, I have a check
coming tomorrow by courier and it will be here.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Checks in the mail. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
She doesn't really believe him. She goes to this lady
and writes a check. I guess even though there's no
money there.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think she like cash everything with her business equity
and stuff, because everything else goes belly up. Shortly after that.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Writes her check. The next day, she up to a
phone call from the bartender at the bar and says, Hey,
where's Eric Kessler? Because I don't know, I have no idea,
like he just bounced.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
A thousand dollars a thousand dollars tab.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, I need to find them, and she says, good there.
She knew it was all a scam.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
So he wrecks up a thousand dollars bill at the bar.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I have no idea. So she ends up having to
file for bankruptcy, sold her business, and moved out of
Wisconsin because.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
She's a middle aged woman and everything she's worked hard
for is gone in an instant.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, so that's kind of until Mysteries then gives us
some updates. But so they got some tips in that.
They come to find out this guy's name is Edward Maynard.
They had tracked him to Florida where he scammed another
lady fifteen thousand bucks. Then he was on the run again.

(24:06):
They tracked him to Texas where he tried to scam
another lady. We don't hear, we hear these. These are
like very brief stories. They tell us very quickly. I
guess he met her, told her he needed some money,
asked her for three hundred bucks, and this lady was
on to him.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
She was quick to be like, absolutely not you. Then
he physically assault He assaults her when she starts to
say like I don't know what you are all about,
but I'm.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Not giving you money physically assaults her. She says she
got scared, gave him the money just to get him
out of there, and then now saw him again. But
she did report that to the police. Yeah, and the
sheriff took it seriously, because she said they called her
the detective and said, hey, are you watching and solved
mysteries are guys.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
On unsolved mysteries mysteries.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
So FBI took the case and they did finally track
him down in Texas and arrested him. But then he
posted bail yep, and was on the run. All right.
It was kind of that was I.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Mean, it was weird because our update came like after.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
The date, kind of came with the story, but then
there was more updates to be Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
What's the update. He's on the run now, he's been
found guilty, he's all on bond.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right. Oh, well, he'd just been arrested on bail. He
hadn't actually gone okay, so update all right. He was
captured three years later around it was like nineteen ninety four.
He was finally captured and faced his charges and was sentenced.

(25:51):
He was since to like seven and a half years
something like that, But he did five years and was released, shocking.
Couldn't find much on him after that, but I did
find something I don't know how accurate is because because
there wasn't a ton that he possibly passed away in
twenty nineteen. But it's hard to find true.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, how did they tell you how many aliases he had?
He had several?

Speaker 3 (26:19):
He was at that time, so his real name was
Edward Maynard, but he also was going by Eric Kelly
was the name they found him. They were able to
arrest him under that name in Texas, and then he
went by Eric Kessler. So that's what I'm saying. It's
hard to find good knowledge on these con men because
they can get out and they change their names.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
And one thing we've learned about him from just this
alone and several other things is they rarely changed their AMMO.
They just changed their tactic and their name.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I will say it seemed like the guy was starting
it just through to Lizly start physically assaulting women.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
For Yeah, he was doing a hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's what he assaulted her was for three hundred dollars.
This guy was stealing money and blowing through it as
fast as possible.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
We'll run up a thousand dollars bar tab. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, So there's your sweetheart swimmer.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Okay, well real quick. So I wanted to give a
shout out to our friend Holly. She has the Crime
a Holly podcast. She was actually someone that showed our
support to our show on the new buy our buy
Me a Coffee link that's in the show notes below.

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haunted a pool, remembering very vividly the wet footprints been

(28:00):
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I was like, we actually covered that, that's the ghost
ship story. It was like in our first couple of episodes.
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(29:32):
are you ready to lose a little bit more faith
in humanity?

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, that's one way of setting it up here you
guys go. Are you guys ready to be angry?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Are you ready to be bummed out and angry? Because
if you are, then I have the perfect story for you.
It's doctor Kenneth Franklin. I wish we were talking about
doctor Brason. No, I even at first, was not going
to refer to him as doctor because to me, that's
like a distinguished title. Technically, that is what he's referred

(30:07):
to in all of the media coverage, and it is
an earned title from your education. But we're gonna learn
a little bit about him. So Saturday night in nineteen
eighty five, two women named Patty and Stephanie. We're playing
pool at a bar when one of their friends introduced

(30:30):
them to doctor frank. So these two girls are out
having girls night. They run into someone that they know,
and through my research, I actually found out that doctor
frank was out with his brother, and his brother knew
one of the girls at the bar, so this Patty.
And so now we have four people hanging out at

(30:53):
a bar, two girls and two girls and two boys, right,
and so there's around talking and she tells us Patty
felt that this doctor Frank guy was kind, he was interesting,
he was well dressed, and she had mentioned that she
was finishing up school to be a dental assistant, and
he said, I actually have a friend that is a dentist,

(31:17):
and I would be more than happy to pass your
information along and see if I can get you hired,
which I'm sure felt great.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
But they were at a bar.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Correct, Yes, they're at a bar.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Because in the in the reenactment, they're shooting pool. Yes, right,
this guy walks in and what is he wearing?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Like a full suit?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
A suit? Yeah, Marry, nothing wrong with the suit. I
like suits, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Wear to love men in suits, but I.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Don't wear it to a bar if a man walks in.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
And I actually did some side research. I read through
the court transcript, his counts and the story. It didn't
say anything about what he was wearing. But it was
like two in the morning when this went down. I
can't imagine in real life that he was wearing a suit,
but in the reenactment he was. No, this is late night,

(32:13):
middle of the night at a bar. Okay, I don't
think he was wearing a suit, but in the reenactment
he was. And he looks significantly older than her. Yeah,
maybe that was just the Yeah, so Patty excuses herself
to go use the bathroom. When she comes back a
few minutes later, her supposed friend, Stephanie and the other

(32:37):
guy left, leaving her alone with this complete stranger. Doctor Frank, you.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Got to get better friends. Yeah, First off, friend ditch
is another friend.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay. There is a rule when you are a female
and you go out with your friends, you go together,
you leave together, no questions asked, like or know if
Ann's were butts about it like.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
That.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
There are so many unspoken girl codes that were broken
in this.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Well all stories. Guys, if you go to a bar,
like you make sure you don't just ditch your buddy
at a bar in the fact of.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, they had been.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Too much to drink or what you need to you
guys need to watch out for each other. So I'm not.
I was so surprised when her friend was.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
She literally was gone for like two minutes to go
to First off, what girlfriend doesn't go with her friend
of the bathroom. Second off, then she comes back and
her friend is gone, and her friend said nothing to
her friend did go into the bathroom and say, hey,
I've been trying to like get on a date with
this guy for a long time, and he's inviting me

(33:53):
back for a nightcap, So I'm gonna go, are you okay?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:00):
And from my understanding, not only that this was Patty's
ride home.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Again, none of this makes sense. Oh, I'll say that
none of it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah. So Stephanie comes back, her friend is gone. This
frank guy says, you know, do you need to write home?
And she's like, no, actually, I'm just gonna wait here, Like,
are you sure she's not coming back? She seemed, in
at least the reenactment, a little surprised at her friend
bailed on her.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah. And this is obviously before uber where it's like, no,
I will just get a taxi home or something or
a cell phone exactly. So she hangs out for a
while and it's getting late, like it's now bars closing,
and she's like, actually, why don't you just And I
can't even imagine being in that situation so helpless that

(34:54):
that's your only option is to get a right home
from this guy that you don't know. So he says
that before he can get her home, he has to
stop off at his apartment to get the information about
the referral. So again, she's going. She says that she

(35:16):
feels obligated to go along with this because he was
doing her a big favor. Nope, oh I know, but yeah,
I know many women that would have ended up in
this exact same situation and would have not ever thought
to say, actually, I don't feel comfortable with this because

(35:37):
you have to be nice because you think this guy's
doing you a favor. So while she was at his apartment,
he's digging around through the kitchen for things, and she's
talking about having this chest cold and x y or
Z that she can't get to go away, and he
offers to make her like a hot tea coffee drink
that's gonna help calm her chest down. So she drinks it,

(36:00):
and he's like forcing it down her throat, like drink
it fast, Like it's only going to work if you
drink it quickly, she says. Within moments, she starts to
notice that her eyes begin to get blurry and her
ears start ringing, and she passes out. Yeah, Patty would

(36:21):
not wake up again and know what was happening until
Monday morning. She went out on a Friday night, Saturday,
Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
She says she was out for twenty.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Six twenty six hours. She has no recollection twenty six hours.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
I'm surprised, she.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And the doctor only wakes her up because he's annoyed
that he's got to leave for work and she's still
in his house. This man is a pile of garbage.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
He's a monster.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, So she very quickly realizes that she has been assaulted,
and she's putting the pieces together while also like being
very disconnected and like groggy. So he drives her to
her apartment complex. Before she leaves the car, he reminds

(37:16):
her that she needs to keep this quiet because who
would believe her. It would just be his word against hers.
And as she actually exits the car and like tries
to like not have him see where she lives, she
gets finally to her door and looks down and like
he's in the parking lot just watching her. So now

(37:39):
she knows he has already made threats and now he
knows where I live. She's in mm hm, so unfortunate.
Patty like is still feeling sick. For the next day,
she takes a shower and actually gets herself to her
aunt's house because she didn't feel safe enough to like
be alone She's in and out of consciousness and feels

(38:02):
the effects of this drink for like the next twenty
four hours, and then is hit with fear and embarrassment
to the point where she does not want to go
to the police. Yeah, it is terrible, And again this
has not changed. This is still very much why this

(38:26):
crime continues to go unreported and why cases like the p.
Ditty case only help cement that fear into women. And
I'm fully aware that any gender can be assaulted sexually,
however it is overwhelmingly the majority of females. Later that week,

(38:51):
Patty returns to a bar, to the same bar she's
there by herself. Doctor Frank has the goal to come
up and sit down with her and act as if
they are friends, and like starts socializing and flirting with her. Again.

(39:12):
Popath he is a psychopath. So she decides, you know what,
I'm going to play along and I'm going to get
him to admit to me what he did. So he
finally admits to her that he placed a sedative in
her drink, to the point where she becomes furious and
like gets after him in the bar. Good for her,

(39:34):
and this is at the point where she decides, you
know what, I have to go to the police. So
three months after the assault, Patty filed an official police report. However,
she didn't actually file charges against him. At the time,
she feared that the trial would end up being his
words against her, again echoing by concerns with what we've

(39:56):
seen recently, and feared that she would have a hard
time than finding a job afterwards. Finally, she feared that
he would harm her because now he has all of
her information and would come after her. So she says
to the police, listen, here's all my information. Here's this.
If anyone else comes forward and I'm not alone in this,

(40:19):
I will finalize the charges in this. Sure enough. Four
months later, another woman comes forward who was a coworker
of this doctor. She had also been given a sedative
prior to the assault. After it occurred, he admitted placing
her sedative into the drink. She actually went and got

(40:41):
her blood tested because she worked in the medical field.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Of something so understood exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
It showed that she had eight times the amount of
sedative normally given to patients who were undergoing surgery.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Amazing, live, I am too much.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah. Yeah. So she takes this evidence and goes to
the police. So based on the two victims testimony, he's
arrested in February in nineteen eighty six and charged with rape. However,
his trial did not begin until December nineteen eighty nine,
so he dragged it out for two years before it
even got started, or sorry, three years. He showed up

(41:25):
to every court appearance, and then finally on December twentieth,
nineteen eighty nine, he's convicted of two counts after the
trial and I have no clue why, and this is
going to be my bias showing is it simply for
the fact that he was a well known wealthy man
is released on his own recognitances.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I don't understand this because once you've been now convicted,
you're going to do time.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
So typically just up to sentencing, it's up dissentencing, but
sentencing doesn't happen immediately. So this is actually what in
that this is exactly what happened just and this was
I thankfully the PDD trial. The day he was convicted,
he brought cash to the courthouse his family members did
and asked for him to be released on bail until

(42:10):
his sentencing, which is scheduled like twenty eight days or
something like that. I don't know why this man was
released on his own accord.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Listen, I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Why you already guilty.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Put him in jail and then when you do your sentencing, Okay,
you got ten years, but you take.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Off the twenty eight days, yeah or whatever. Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I don't know. And shocking to nobody. January nineteen eighty
rolls around and he doesn't show up to his sentencing hearing.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yep, nineteen eighty or nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Nineteen ninety. Sorry, And that's kind of where unsolved mysteries
leaves us.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
He's on the run, on the run. We need this guy,
we need him. He's been convicted.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yep. Update all right, update captured took Yeah. December two
thousand and four, an FBI agent working with Interpol located
doctor Frank near Tel Avid, Israel, Tel Aviv. However, due
to international legal issues, he was not arrested until July

(43:15):
two thousand and six. So there was a time between
I was trying to read and understand this. There was
some sort of treaty between US and Israel, so US
being the United States where they were trying to figure
out legalities of how we could get people back and

(43:36):
forth to and from I don't know the legalities of that,
but that was going extra item. But that was going
on while he was captured. After he was they found
out to excuse me, that he was there. So that
was being sorted out. And I've learned in the government
nothing happens quickly. So once that was sorted out, then

(43:56):
he was extradited back to the United States. However, during
this time he had married and was practicing medicine in
Israel under an assumed name. He was returned to California
and sentenced to twelve years in prison and has since
been released.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
How long did you do?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I can't even quite remember because I didn't write it down.
I'll have to get back to you guys on that.
I'll look it up while you guys are due while
you're telling me you're a next story. But I tried
to look and see if I could find anything about
this guy afterwards. Yeah, Unfortunately, the only thing I could

(44:37):
find because his name's Kenneth Frank, Kenneth A. Frank. The
only other Kenneth A. Frank I can find is a
practicing doctor in New York and New Jersey who's very
involved with like even children's organizations.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
So probably probably not him the fact if he's been
involved for longer than he's been in all for a
long time, and it was all before all this.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
So yeah, this guy is still to this day practicing
in New York. So I don't think it's him. It's
really unfortunately he has this exact same name, but it
I looked at pictures, it looks very similar to him,
but I cannot imagine because I found that at one

(45:27):
point he had been under the California Registry of Offenders
because he's a sex offender, he has to register, but
there is not a inter there's not a United States one.
You have to go in by like county to look
them up. And since I can't find out what county
he is in currently today, I can't look him up

(45:51):
as a registered offender and find out where he is
or what he's doing. Yeah, so yeah, this guy is
a monster. He's absolute trash, and I it just makes
me angry that twelve years for what he did and
then he was on the run longer, Like are you

(46:14):
kidding me? Why do we as a society sentence sexual
predators to such little time. It is infuriating.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I yeah, I won't even get in my soapbox about
why I think that's the case. But that's a podcast
for another day, all right. We had a lot of
podcasts for another day, I know, just the Sierra Angry
at You're Angry at Men podcast.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's definitely one.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Men who do bad things, is what I guess I
should say. You just don't find it weird that these
men in power are usually the ones committing these horrific things.
They're the ones that could change the laws, and they
never do. That's why.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
What was your question?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Just that there are so many people asking the question
why do we treat sexual predators? Why are there sentencing
times so little? And why do they get kind of
get away with so much? Or why is the threshold
so though? And they answer when you look at a

(47:32):
lot of the times men in power, political leaders like
all of these things. One thing that they have in
common is that they feel the need to also do
predatory behavior. They are the men that could change the laws,
but yet they're also the ones like participating in these

(47:56):
activities as well. And so I just don't find I
don't think it's a coincidence that we haven't re evaluated this. Yeah,
I mean as a society.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
A lot of questions got raised after he did he
got arrested. The question was everyone knew about it and
why did it take this long?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
And who else was at these parties particulars.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
We know that there was a lot of yeah people there.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Well, the same thing with Epstein. Yes, absolutely, he got
away with it for how long? And everybody knew about it?
And then it turns out it's the local sheriff's office,
it's the local politicians, and that goes all the way
attorney generals, Yeah, one hundred percent. These are the people
that could change the laws and they don't. Yeah, I

(48:49):
don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I just I could get the mess up buggers. So
the h aa thing I saw you. What I'm saying
is you literally see people and they get power and
they say they want to do this, but then when
if it affects them in any way, all of a sudden,

(49:12):
they don't want to uphold and live by. They don't
want to hold that same standard.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
And I don't get it when it comes to politicians
and celebrities that get these disgusting appetites when they get power,
and it seems to always turn to predatory behavior towards women,
and unfortunately a lot of times underage which would be

(49:41):
considered children. And I don't because I I don't understand it.
It blows my mind. And then yeah, I have to
realize and ask myself, well, this is why people get
twelve years and then end up serving eight or whatever
it is, or they get a slap on the wrist,
or they have forty charges and thirty eight of them

(50:03):
are dropped. It's like, yeah, because the men doing this
and prosecuting them are being told to look the other
way or turn the other chief because other people are
participating in the same thing.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Oh answer, I know, Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Sorry, but again that's a podcast for another joy. You
don't answer, So I just it. I've been angry for
a few days since everything came out in this case,
just kind of we haven't we just haven't changed anything.
This was twenty forty years ago and we are women
are still What was she wearing, what was she drinking?

(50:42):
You know, why did she go to his apartment?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
What?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Anyways? Would you like to tell us the story?

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Are you ready for your next story?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
All right, you get you to get it all out.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
No, but that's fine.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
All right, you just let me know, get more out.
I understand, I get it, and I appreciate that you understanding.
You get it, but you are married and you have
a daughter. Yeah, I'm kind of just like what, I
don't know, I got nothing like, I don't I don't know, and.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I'm taking there and telling me that it's not a
big deal or that I'm a react a big deal.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
But I mean, I just think a lot of times,
and that is a lot of what our solution is.
We just kind of throw up our hands like, I
don't know, I don't get it. All right, let's get
let's I don't talk. Something a little more lighter.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I yeah, a little bit. Women take care of let's
take care of each other out there.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I got this. One's a little lighter than the fact
no one died, all right, No one's dead or got assaulted. Okay,
well I guess some people got assaulted, but in.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
A different in a very different way.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Yeah, all right, but let me tell you about some
armored truck heist. All right.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
I thought at first that maybe this was the Mastermind story,
and I got really excited.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
We don't get me started. I love that movie.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Movie is hilarious.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
I think I've already set it on this podcast. But
if you have not watched that movie, Masterminds, just go
watch it.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
And it's based on a true story, Like you can
look up the guy. The guy was actually the guy.
That is the quote mastermind helped with that movie. It's
so fine, but it is just not But it is
an armored truck robbery.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yeah, alright. April eighteenth, nineteen eighty nine, one pm, just
outside Eden Prairie, Minnesota, this armored truck pulls up, goes
into the bank, gets money. He's coming out, He's got
his car, opens up the back and he's loading money
into the armored truck. Got the driver. He's in the

(52:56):
driver's seat and they say as he's doing that, two
cars pull up okay at the same time.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
One that immediately you're like, danging, this is not good, you.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Know, instantly bad newspaarers all right, one poles in front
of the truck, blocking its exit. The other polls to
towards the back. Two guys get out. There's three guys
in the car in the back. One guy in the
car blocking the truck from laving. The two guys. Two

(53:33):
guys get out of the car. They do assault the guy.
He'd like try, he tries to like fight back. He
goes for his gun.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I was going to say, our armored truck guys armed.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Okay, he goes for his gun. They fight. Thankfully no
shots were fired. They subdue the security guy and they
start stealing the money. Okay. The guy in the front
is actually genius. Okay. He gets out and puts a
bomb looking thing on the hood of the armored truck,

(54:10):
and in the reenactment, he's like holding a detonator looking thing.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
And just instantly starts paying a lot of attention. That
don't get my attention real.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Quick, is just staring at the driver. So the driver
just freezes and it's like, I don't know what to do.
There's a bomb right there, and we're getting robbed in
the back.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah, and I'm gonna just be okay with it.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
And this guy's sitting here staring at me with what
looks like a detonator.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah that I'm.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Guessing he's trying to tell me silently, don't do anything,
or I'm going to press the debtnator. Anyways, so they
make off with a million bucks. Police come in. FBI
tells us like, they're gonna tell us, like, these guys
were very well organized, very well trained, they knew exactly
what they're doing. So these guys head out, they take
off in their cars. They jump back in the car,

(55:03):
drive away. Police show up and they want to chase them,
but they got to deal with this bomb.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yeah, which means everything.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
So they got to call in the bombs.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Bombs got to come out. They get which I'm going
to guarantee doesn't happen quickly.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
They get the bomb squad out there, they get this thing.
Guess what, it's fake. It's a fake bomb.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
And at that point everyone and when.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
The police realize, dude, we're way behind the eight ball now.
So they end up finding the cars the guys used.
Both the vehicles were stolen, so they ditched them and
they go.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, these guys knew what they were doing.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
FBI comes in, starts investigating, and they find out like, hey,
you know what, this same exact bomb type thing. It's
fake and it's designed exactly the same way it was
used in a high in Baltimore, Maryland. We're pretty sure it's.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
The same thing that's got some cool week.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
They made out with six hundred thousand bucks. These guy's
made a killing, all right.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, so once again we might be in the wrong business.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
So they look for clues. They got nothing, no, nothing
to go off, all right. So March twenty seventh, nineteen ninety,
almost a year later, and Burnsville, Minnesota, which is only
ten miles away from Eden Prairie for where they did

(56:38):
their first heist. Same thing. Guys in what's the Brinks
armored truck. They're at the bank, guys coming out. He's
loading stuff in and two cars pull up. One car

(57:00):
pulls in front of it the same am. These guys
get out and they start trying to rob it, getting
the bags of cash. In the reenactment, the guy that
pulls into the front of the armored truck shoots it twice.

(57:24):
That's what they do.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
In the reenact shoots the truck.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Shoots the windshield twice, not like in the passenger seat. Okay,
So the driver of the armored truck then decides I'm
gunning it, So he guns it and hits the car. Then,
so shots start firing.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
It escalates very quickly.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, they start unloading on this armored truck. He then
does a big circle in the parking lot, sees these guys.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Imagine just being someone who was at the bank or
at the grocery store next to the banks of the
middle of the day, and you're like, what is happening
right now?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
They're firing at this armored truck. This guy starts making
his way around, sees his partner on the ground, thinks
his partner's dead. They shot and killed him. Then he
sees them getting all four of them getting into a car,
so he just guns his armored truck.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
He's like this, I'm turning this truck into a.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Weapon, but does not hit him good enough. I'm sure
his adrenaline was at a ten and they were still
able to get away. But I guess not with anyone. Okay,
I'm a little concerned. The guy just ditched his partner,
but he just did get shot at, so I get it.

(58:55):
I don't know. I don't know what I would do.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I know, I have no idea he was trying to
get the bad guys.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
So anyways, they find the cars. They're quickly looking for
these guys. They find them. They're stolen, looked like they
parked it behind a supermarket and rain out on foot.
They think that they probably had a car stash nearby.
They they get a whole search party out, they got
roadblocks going, they got tracking dogs out, nothing nothing. So

(59:29):
we get some sketches. They got no clues, they got
nothing to go on. We get some sketches of three
of the four guys. They show us those. They're looking for.
These guys. They've technically made off with one point six
million bucks so far. Okay, that's where it's mysteries. Update update,

(59:49):
never caught.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Shut the front door, never caught seriously. Yes, so these
guys walked away with over a million dollars and got
ahway with it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Yeah, I found an article from twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Okay, here's my question.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
You're still looking for these guys?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Well, because what's the statute of limitations on this?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I don't know, but I think what has still makes
it they want to catch me. All those bullets shot
in that parking lot, there were civilians. I mean, the
FBI guy came out like this. This could have been
way worse. Obviously, I know they just unlikely they.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Have on them to rest them at this point. I
don't assault is there a limitation on that? Dude? These
guys if they're still alive.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Particularly attempted murder on those Yeah, they shot into that
armor truck. It's attempted murder, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
But man, almighty, I would love to know these people's
stories since this happened. I bet that was a close
call and they were like, you know what, we're done.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
So there was another armored truck robbed in New York
a little while after this, uh huh, and it was
in a very similar so they think that was them.
Then there's some others that are like, possibly is them.
But to this day, oh, I have never been caught.

(01:01:16):
And now you are.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Listening to this podcast and you are the people that
robbed that armored truck. Please reach out to me because
I would love to interview you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
No, you shot it, innocent people, you do, I would
just I would love to hear, but I will say
sorry tactic just the bomb putting on them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Yeah, that's diabolically, that's a fake. And the fake bomb
that read that like is going to get any human
beings attention.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Immediately and it freezes it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yeah, everyone's frozen. And then yeah, the fact that you
even were aware that for the bombs going to come out,
it takes time for them to get everything out there
and call that the You're behind the ball at that point, and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Every minute of getting away counts. You're getting further and
further away, and you become.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
I love to know how many people Brinks has been
robbed by it, because I feel like a lot of
the things we cover about armored drugs, like they get
away with it. Have we covered another story?

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, but you also got to think, like, if you're
a guy working in an armored vehicle, Okay, I understand
that someone comes and wants to rob it. You know,
my first thought is it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Same my money.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
It's some money. It's not worth my life exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
This is not I will say they what do they
pay those guys, because I can tell you it's probably
not enough, because that would be my attitude as well.
This is not my And here's the now. If we're
at a bank, all this money's federally insured. This is
not my problem. Here's and that's what I'm saying, not
to the point to risk my life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I understand the guy ramming the car from if he
did roll up and shoot at it twice, He's it's
not like, hey man, this isn't my money to work.
He's thinking, I don't want it done.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I don't want Yeah, I don't want to self preservation, Yeah,
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
But if someone rolled up and I'm loading money in
the back of this truck and they have a gun
and they say we're robbing you, you know what? Okay, Okay,
I guess man, like, it's not my money and it
ain't worth like, I don't want to get my life
to protect this money.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
No, it's money.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
So it'll sound like you're trying to kidnap a kid here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, exactly, that's what I mean. It's money. It's not
a human, it's not another life. This is anyways, all right, Okay,
Well I've got a puzzling one for you, and I'm
interested to see what your thoughts are when we're done
with this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I'm you know, I didn't do any research on this
what I was going to okay, but I just didn't
get to it, and I am I do have a
lot of questions.

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five year old Dan Wilson of Spokane, Washington. I have
families in Spokane, Washington. My cousin lives up there. Was

(01:06:54):
known for was known to be a quiet religious man
and In nineteen eighty six, he was thirty three his
marriage broke up. We don't get any more information on that.
I tried to look into it. There wasn't a lot
out there. However, this ends up playing a very pivotal
role in what's going to happen next. He does remain

(01:07:15):
close to his two children. He has a son and daughter,
and visited them often. In nineteen eighty seven, he suffered
a full on nervous breakdown, which he felt was due
to the trauma of his divorce. By the summer of
nineteen eighty eight, he was off his medication and was
seeming to get his life back under control. In June

(01:07:37):
of nineteen eighty eight, Dan went to work at the
ASC Mechanic Tool Company in Spokane, and according to co workers,
he was steadily and reliable, steady and reliable. Then suddenly,
on August twenty seventh, a flip is switched while working
his format and asked him about something he was working on,

(01:07:58):
and Dan loses it. He snaps. He goes postal, which
is based on another tragedy. Just like verbally, yes, he
doesn't assault anybody, right. He becomes angry and he starts
yelling at his foreman. Every time I try to get

(01:08:21):
my work done, you come down here and you give
me a hard time. And his foreman was caught off
guard because he's telling us he didn't have any complaints
about Dan's work and wasn't even asking him about anything
to do with that, but Dan says yeah. Dan continues
to double down on him and says that he knows
that the foreman and him are all talking about him

(01:08:43):
and what they've been saying about him, and like he's
over it. And his foreman's like, hey, just kind of
calm down, like let's talk about it, and He's like,
I'm not gonna calm down, and I just want everyone
to leave me alone so I can get my work done.
And Dan's foreman's caught off guard. He's like literally shocked

(01:09:07):
by this outburst, and him and the plant manager are concerned,
clearly noting that Dan is struggling with someone he's having a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Bad mis say this was completely out of character.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah, So they tell him, why didn't she take the
day off, take a little break, and just return to
work when you feel ready let us know, Yeah, and
he leaves work at eleven am. It's Wednesday, August twenty seventh,
nineteen eighty eight, middle of the day, two days go by,

(01:09:42):
and his neighbors notice that his sprinklers have been left running.
On Friday, August twenty sixth, they turned the sprinklers off,
never suspecting that anything was wrong. They had assumed as neighbors.
They were saying, like he would go visit his children
all the weekend, being gone every once in a long weekend.
Was no one. There was no red flag to anybody.

(01:10:04):
They're being good neighbors. They turn his sprinklers off. However,
he's actually not scheduled to visit the children that weekend,
so his ex wife also never notices that he's missing.
His mother, Darlene, who lived in Colorado, telephones him, but
is not alarmed that she hasn't He didn't pick up
the phone. Saturday and Sunday come and go, and no

(01:10:27):
one even knew at this point that Dan was missing. Monday,
August twenty ninth, in a remote area of Cluster County,
Montana and abandoned cars investigated by the local shriffes. It
was a white nineteen eighty seven Chevron Chevrolet Spectrum and
it was found along Interstate ninety four fifteen miles away

(01:10:49):
from east of Miles City, Montana. A highway patrolman had
previously noticed it was there two days earlier, on August
twenty seven. The doors are unlocked, and in fact, one
of them open in a jar. The keys are missing.
There's a few items found. One is a Bible, and
this is actually where they get their first glove. Who
owns the car. Dan's name is inscribed to the front

(01:11:09):
of the bible. The sheriff traces the car back to
the same guy, Dan who owns the car and the Bible,
and he contacts Darlene because the car was registered in
her name and it had been abandoned more than seven
hundred miles away from Dan's Spokane residents. The sheriff notes
that there is no luggage in the car to indicate

(01:11:30):
a trip was planned, and there's nothing to even give
him an indication on what Dan was thinking or doing
in the area. They basically have an empty car with
a few random things in it. They conduct ground and
aerial searches, and the sheriff believed that if Dan was
in the area that they searched, they should have been
able to find him. It's summertime, so they're not trying
to truck through the dead of winter. There's no snow

(01:11:51):
on the ground. It's not Montana in the winter. Is nuts, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I mean I would imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Yeah, So he is just kind of baffled. The car
is abandoned. There's no explanation. It's in the middle of
literally bfy Montana. So Darlene along so that's his mom,
along with two of his cousins, go to Montana. They
talk to the sheriff. They meet him at the lot
where Dan's car had been towed, and the sheriff told

(01:12:20):
her that she's welcome to take a look around and
see if like anything is there, but that it looks
as if to him it just someone parked it on
the side of the road, walked away from it. They
looked under the hood, they find nothing wrong. Has a
third of a tank of guests, so he didn't have
any engine problems. He didn't run out of gas. The
mom that was having a hard time that Dan would

(01:12:41):
just abandon his car and just take off. She says
that the area was found was not anywhere near where
you would expect a person to stop and walk. Literally,
it's a giant prairie field. Yeah, Dan's friend Dawn, we've
got a down a Dan and Darlene, this is fun

(01:13:02):
for me visited him several days before he'd vanished. Dawn
noticed that Dan seemed unusually tired and depressed. He believed
that Dan was struggling again with some mental health issues
and that it was likely from stress or working overtime.
Dan told him that he was torn out of He

(01:13:22):
was torn from working ten hours a day and taking
care of his children on the weekends and fair He's
working ten hours a day and then spending the weekends
with his kids, that has got to be exhausting. He
indicated that he just felt drained and he was having
a hard time thinking clearly and was feeling very laxi Daisy.

(01:13:46):
He said that Dan was normally very quiet and not
known to be aggressive. Dan's cousin Glinda also had visited
his home and she was fearing for a safety because
of the state of mind he was in too days
before he disappeared. She was surprised at how the house
was like in shambles and disarray, which was not like him.

(01:14:07):
He seemed to keep his house normally pretty tidy, but
she said that again she asked him if everything was okay,
and he just mentioned that he was struggling with some
the fact that he was working so many hours.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
You're so tired. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Before she left, his cousin Glinda suggested to Dan take
some time off and maybe come to the family and
visit in Colorado. Forty eight hours later, he would have
his outbursts at work in Vanish. His family believed that
if he had taken maybe Glinda's advice and started to
Colorado to visit him, he would have made the trip
from Spokane to Longmore many times, using the same route

(01:14:47):
he normally traveled on Interstate ninety he would have been
headed south at Billings, Montana. Instead, for some reason, he
turned onto a different highway, Interstate ninety four, heading east.
He continued for fifty miles into very sparsely populated area Montana,
whereas car was found. How did he stray so far
off a familiar route? At one point, his cousin maybe

(01:15:11):
even suggests that this could have been foul play. Dan
was known to pick up hitchhikers. Is it possible that
he gave somebody a ride? And she fears that he
might have been taken and potentially hurt from that. However,
determined to unravel the mystery, Dan and Darling's cousin. Darling

(01:15:32):
and Dan's cousins went back to Spokane. Dance home was
even worse than when Glinda had only been there a
few days before. Food is left on the tables, lights
are on his luggage, closed check book, everything, and an
on cash pay check are all still at home. Darling
did not find any evidence to take anything with him,
not even a toothbrush, raisor money. It looked as if
he had just left and had intended on coming back.

(01:15:55):
The next day, Dan's family left Spokane more puzzled than ever.
Darling and Glinda drove his car home on the return trip.
En route, they both came down with similar symptoms of
sore throat and feeling an odd burning sensation in their eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
This is where the story gets weird and weird.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yeah, as soon as they return home for some reason,
I will say how they got from feeling this way
to then taking it. And they take the car to
a mechanic to have it inspected, and the mechanic finds
that the car had a faulty muffler that had been
allowing exhaust gases to enter the car's interior the cabin. Yep.

(01:16:37):
He said that the car was very unsafe to drive
like this is extremely dangerous. It appears that carbon monoxide
had been leaking from the muffler right into the cab
of the car, which causes an insane amount of symptoms.
I actually looked this up. Had you ever heard of
anything like this before?

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
So I know I've heard a little bit of this.
I haven't heard of someone being affected a ton like this,
but I know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
That that is a I didn't know that that was
a risk at all when it came to vehicles.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
I actually had heard of a guy there was a
battery cable that the battery went bad and something happened
the battery cable or the battery itself, and it leaked
into the vents and breathed that end you've lost like
thirty percent of his breathing capacity due to that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
That was a carbon monoxide But that was just another thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Well. The point of the reason I'm telling that stories
because I have heard of things like something going wrong
in the vehicle and it leaks into the cab and
can cause some severe you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Yeah, so I've got one. I looked up the symptoms
for this side effects of slow carbon monoxide poisoning. Slow
prolonged exposure to carbon monoxide can include a range of
side effects that start out with flu like symptoms, headache,
dizzy and confusion. However, left untreated so continuing to expose

(01:18:16):
yourself to it, more severe symptoms include memory loss, mood changes,
neurological deficiencies, and cardiovascular problems. These symptoms can be subtle
and easily mistaken, so early symptoms start with the blurried vision, chest,

(01:18:36):
shortness of breath, nausea, bottom dizziness, and often delayed. In
long term ones, memory loss, difficult concentrating, mood changes, irritability
being the biggest one psychosis so thinking things happened that didn't.
Speech deficiency and it can actually lead to long term blindness.

(01:18:58):
It can also cause heart attacks and heart failure and depression, anxiety,
personality changes and loss of coordination, seizures and loss of consciousness.
It starts off subtle and literally. Going on, the symptoms

(01:19:19):
continue to get worse and worse and worse, and it's
scary to think that this was likely happening. I also
found a year ago on a Facebook page about this
case that a lady posted this she said, this episode
actually helped my husband and I figure out what was

(01:19:40):
wrong with him. He had been being slowly poisoned at
work from a carbon monoxide issue that the workplace was
unaware of. He had been searching for years trying to
figure out why, all of a sudden he was having
these insane symptoms and mental health issues. I'm so sorry
that Dan had gone through this, but this episode actually
saved my husband's life.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Yeah, Okay, so back to our story. I just wanted
to kind of give a little bit of context because
I had never heard of this before. So Darlene the
mother decides what she's going to be able to do
is flood the state with flyers. She's going to go

(01:20:22):
to homeless facility. She's going to go to shelters because
there is a possibility that he may have some form
of amnesia because of the carbon monoxide poisoning. And oddly enough,
someone in Billy, Montana sends her a copy of its
desk registry, a like a shelter. It showed that a

(01:20:45):
Daniel Wilson had signed into it on the night of
November twelfth, nearly three months after the disappearance. She compares
the two signatures and the similarities are striking. So her
own nephew get in the car and they go to
the shelter. They bring several pictures of Dan. The manager
meets with her along with an employee, and they say
that they do recognize him and believe that he had

(01:21:07):
maybe spent tonight there. This obviously gives the family more
hope that maybe he is suffering from something because of
that carbon monoxide poisoning, and or is it possible that
he had decided to just kind of walk away. They
had to go over that, like, yeah, he's an adult.
He can choose like I'm done and just walk away

(01:21:28):
from his life. There's been no trace of Dan for years.
Authorities found you walk away?

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Where would you go? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
I couldn't do it. It would be too exhausting. I
don't know Tennessee, New York City. If I can make
it in New York, I can make any more. In
all honesty, I'd probably try to go to New York.
I love that city.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
I'm just like, I don't know San Diego Billins Homeless Shelter.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
I just I don't know. I would If I'm going
to walk away from my life, I'm going to go somewhere.
Who I'm gonna end up in Hawaii? I don't know,
Like San Diego's got perfect weather all year round, like
that would be my thing. But yeah, Billions, Montana would
not be on my list? Would it be on yours?

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
All right, So Dan's missing. He hasn't been seen for years.
There suggested that possibility he's decided to leave on his own.
Maybe he's suffering from some mental health issues, and you know,
could he be a victim of valplay? Is it possible
he picked up a hitchhiker? Could he have engineered his

(01:22:38):
own disappearance? That he somehow slipped through the cracks of
American society, joining the ranks of homelessness, his mind hopelessly
muddled by chronic carbon carbon monoxide poisoning. These are all
questions that Robert Stacks has for us. Sadly, his whereabouts
remain cloaked in mystery. All right, are you ready for

(01:23:04):
your update? Yes, ma'am, Yes, okay, Sadly it is solved.
September twenty ninth, nineteen ninety seven. For a while, a
ranch worker finds a human skull next to the creek,
approximately six miles from where Dan's carbon left. No other

(01:23:27):
remains have ever been found to this day, just just
the skull.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Yeah, but that's a lot of time, and it's Montana.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
It's Montana.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
All kinds of things out there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
So two days later, the sheriff, believing that the school
likely belonged to Dan, requestental records, and in November it's
positively identified through Dan's comparison through dental teeth records. Authorities
believe that Dan became disoriented due to the carbon monoxide
poisoning in his car because he was on a long
road trip at that point, wandered off and died of exposure.

(01:24:05):
I wonder as I was reading through the symptoms if
he had some sort of cardiac issue, because you can
have start having a heart attack and not instantly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I was a little surprised, as I said, they thought
I died from the element's exposure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
With having no way to be in August. Yeah, I
thought the same thing. I was like, I guess you could.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
You could die from exposure to the heat. He could
die from exposure from dehydration.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Yeah, he's found near a creek, so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
That might not even be the place he died.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Yeah, an animal could have taken that there, you know there.
But unfortunately, because the only sound his skull, there is
no way to know actually how he passed away.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the easiest way. I
mean pretty much what they're saying is, hey, he died
out here, and we don't know exactly what.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
There's no reason to suspect any sort of foul play
at all, So this case has been closed.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
But it could have been some type of cardiac thing,
because you don't you're just finding bones nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Well, I was just when I was reading through the
more severe effects of carbon monoxide poisoning, and from what
I understand too, it can make you very dizzy, very tired,
and disoriented. I don't know, but it's likely because he
had been in that car for so long on that drive. Yeah,
that maybe, And if this had been going on for

(01:25:33):
years in his vehicle, maybe he did have some sort
of I mean, the fact that his car a door
was a jar. Maybe he tried to get out and
get some fresh air. He was on a road that
was not very populated, he wandered off, and unfortunately, either
so came to the elements, had a heart attack, or
in some other way was incapable of asking for help.

(01:25:53):
It's crazy that they searched it when they did as
thoroughly as they did and didn't find anything. But six
miles is a waste.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Yeah. But if it's a field of tall grass, yeah,
you could walk right by it. Yeah, and I see
you literally have got to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Sometimes in that stumbled right into it, and sometimes it
takes years for someone to finally stumble into the exact spot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
So this was a wild story.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
If it was a wild story.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
When they first are telling you, you're thinking this game
took his own mind.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Unfortunately, that was was my either a he got himself
into some kind of situation with a hitchhiker, which we've
seen before in other stories, or my very first thing
was he had taken his own life, like that was
a breaking point at work.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Remember, there's the same thing it was in Montana.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Montana left him in the garbage pile. Yeah, that's the
first thing that goes through my head.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Yeah, so my gosh, can you utah?

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Yeah? Sorry, The doors shut and the cat is acting
as if his life has been ended because he's been
denied entrance into the room. Ben his back, and the
cat has joined us.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
I guess, like I said, I thought that was the
first thing, and then it was it was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
What were the chance. Here's the thing, if his family
had never driven his car and noticed that they felt off,
they would have never gotten answers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
And you still kind of don't have him. But it
does appear more that he was affected and not just
ended up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
But it also probably gave some context to the things
also leading up to it. Maybe he wasn't as miserable
or like said, you know all it gave some context
to the behavior leading up to this, or maybe this
wasn't something that could have been preveded as far as
like we missed the warning.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Signs kind of scary. That is terrifying this guy. We
have no idea how long did he own that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
We don't know. They don't give a city of that information. Yeah,
this could have been going on for years.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
This could have affected.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
This could have been one of the reasons why his
marriage ended.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
But he had no idea he was being affected in
a negative It was literally.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Almost like being gaslighted by his own vehicle, where it's like, uh,
I know something's not wrong, but something is also wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
I did look up, like how long does it take
carbon monoxide poisoning to leave, and if like a mild one,
it takes a few hours. But I don't know. I mean,
I'm not an experts, so I don't know where you
were constantly being exposed.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Over day in and day out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
And you know, how long was your drive to work? Whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
What does that effect have on where it's constantly Yeah,
your body's every every day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
And then on top of that, you're working ten hour days,
You're driving to and from on the weekends to see
your kids, like kids if we're probably in that vehicle
at some point too.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Like, that's scary anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
I know, I'm like, do we need carbon monoxide detectors
in our cars? I don't know? All right, everybody. That
is our episode of We're on Season three, Episode three
of Unsolved Mysteries. This is the part of our podcast
where I ask Ben a ridiculous question. So you are

(01:29:49):
welcome to hang out with us if you would like,
and if not, you may welcome to exit stage right. Okay, Ben,
I kind of the answer to this one, but I
think this is a fun one. Have you ever pulled
an epic prank on someone?

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
An epic crank?

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
Ben?

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
And I, for the record, love playing pranks. Our whole
house is jump Scarce Central. You walk around a corner here,
you never know what is going to happen. We have
played many pranks on people in our marriage of panks
And was this something that you did before we got married?
For you a big prankster?

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Just a very little thing. I've never gone to super extremes.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
You haven't done some of the things that we've done.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Yeah, yeah, we have two. I got too okay to
tell boter, did you want one of them?

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
You can tell whatever one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Involved in them.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
I've always involved. I freaking love playing pranks. I've had people.
We just played a prank for Father's Day and literally
my friend texted me and said, hey, I have a
good idea for a prank, and without knowing Cynthia Listen says, well,
knowing like any context behind it, I like wrote back,
was like, I'm in immediately without question. What do you

(01:31:12):
need from me?

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
I am the same way if someone if your mind
said I got a prank, I would say I'm in. Yeah,
I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
But what are some of the epic ones.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
That you have? When was on your mom okay, she
was driving here, huh, two Arizona from Oregon.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Yeah, it's a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
I have stopped somewhere in Nevada, in the middle of nowhere,
and she stopped in this weird she tells it, like
a haunted Hotelka.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Between here and where my mom and dad live, there's
only two hotels you can stay at. There's the Clown Hotel,
which if look it up, it's famous, right, and it's
a weird and it's not a fancy. The other option
is the only other hotel in the town is like
one of the most haunted hotels in America, has all

(01:32:06):
this lure in history, the ghost hunters have been on it.
Those are your two options. Yeah, mm hmmm. So, and
my mom's terrified of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
So we found out without from her which hotel she
was staying at. So I called the front desk and
I just had them put me through to her room
and I would just breathe heavily into the phone. Now,
if you know Sira's mom, she gets it doesn't take men.

(01:32:40):
It doesn't take much. You think, well, that's not very good,
But if you know this lady, that's all it takes
to freak her out, especially because she's by herself.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
My dad was with her.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
I think it was later because I met. I had
this one going for months.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Yeah, so breathing heavy, breathing heavy, saying creepy things.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
I did with say creepy sayings in a weird voice.
And I did that a couple times that night. Yeah,
and then I don't know who was running the desk,
but she called down there and said, did you just
put a call through? And she said, no, she she was.

(01:33:31):
I don't know who she was.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
We didn't asked her to do that, but she knew
her she understood the assignment, and she played it very well, or.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
She just wasn't paying attention. Could have been I don't know,
but I'm going with I'm going with the first one.
So then I continued this. I had, I got different.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Numbers, really downloaded the app to get different numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
But I wouldn't do it often. I would only do
like once every two weeks, and I would call her
to the point where one time I finally did and
your dad got on the phone and started threatening me.
Just was so angry, quick golling this number quit harass.

(01:34:18):
He was so mad and just so angry, and I
had this had been going on for at least three months.
I would once every week and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Two weeks we started texting the room over over and
over again.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Yeah, so that I think it might have been. Then.
I can't remember. I don't remember all the details of
this prank, but I would I texted her her room
number that night or the next day, over and over
and over again from a different phone number. Yeah, and
then I would do that with different things whatever. And
she kept calling every member of the family, begging to

(01:34:56):
know if we were playing a prank on her, and
I was able to keep a straight face to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
The point when my mom's car got stolen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Yeah, so your your mom's car got stolen, and she
thought it was us. That was the first because now
she found out this was years later. The first person
she calls was me that I had somehow travel one
thousand plus miles to steal her car.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Was great idea if we could have gotten someone to
do that, But no, it was I wish I could
say it was us, but it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
That was my best one, and I held on to
it for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
I wanted to let that one go for a long time,
but I think I ended up losing it on the
phone with your dad, like laughing, yeah, because he was
so angry, but he was also like he was scared.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Yes, he was freaked out. Yeah, what's the other one?

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
The other one's the hotel room.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Oh. Also, my parents, we got to somehow we got
a copy of their key. Oh no, it was on
was it the app on their phone?

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
No, it was a copy of the key.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
They didn't know we had it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Yeah, they were staying in a hotel. It was here
in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Yeah, and my sister and her husband, Brandy and David
were here visiting and we were like up late, all
the kids are in bed, and we're just like, we
should play a prank on my parents. My parents are
the butt of a lot of our jokes and pranks. Yeah,
And so we dressed up in like all black and

(01:36:36):
like ninja into the hotel room, like in the hallway,
and then we were trying to sneak into the hotel room. Yeah,
like but we were laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Also, you guys were the worst and were the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Brandy, I couldn't stop laughing because we wanted to like
get into the hotel room and.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Like wanted to get right next to the bed and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Like all shake or do something. We didn't get that far.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
We freaked your dad out that my.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Dad full dead asleep, wakes up to hear someone opening
his hotel door and just screams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Get out. Someone's in.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Someone your defense skills, someone's in your get out, so
screaming at us. Yeah, okay, those are good ones. So
my two one of them also includes my parents was catfacts.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
I forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
I'm sorry, guys, this is gonna go along, but.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
This season you can turn it off at any time.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
These ones are too good to share. So when we
first moved to Arizona, our friend and Kyle came down
to visit, and he's an awesome prankster as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
He is great, great, he was one of the best.
He just had great ideas he did.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
This was so this would have been what two thousand
and ten we were living here.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
Yeah, No, we moved here in twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Twenty twelve. Yeah yeah, okay, So it's twenty twelve. So
cell phones are still, especially in the older generation's hands,
they're still kind of a new thing. So our friend
Kyle suggests that from his phone number, we text my
dad some sort of random automated message about signing up
for daily catfacs cat facts and thank you for your

(01:38:45):
generous donation and subscribing to cat facs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
Thank you for your five ninety nine a month monthly reoccursion.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
And it was like to cancel this be like say
meow or something I don't know, and then he'd say
that like yew. Then it would be like the request
for double daily facts ors I don't know, but it
went on. That went on for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Well, the best was he texted that your dad texted yeah,
mew right away, and Kyle went full in and.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Was like sending the most ridiculous cat facts but then
also being like thanks to your generous donation of five
dollars a week or a month or whatever. Every time
he said yow, we doubled the money. We will now
be able to get Mittens's daily allowance of bread and
fungal cream, Like just the most ridiculous things. And it

(01:39:40):
sounded like an automated.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Would come up with catfacs yeah and send it to
your dad.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
So we were sending my dad catfacs.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Yeah, and it was random stuff. Did you know that
a cat whatever it was, and he would just send
them these and your dad would kids so passed.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
My dad was getting more and more. A agreed because
it was on my dad's work phone. So if my
dad's companied got his phone bill, that was like extra
money a month for cat facts. My dad was gonna
get into big trouble. But that's one of my favorite
all time pranks we've ever done. One and then the

(01:40:19):
other one. Your sister Heather is terrified of everything as well. Oh,
we always play lots of Yeah, every time Heather comes down,
we play pranks on her. But the best one was
one night we put a fake spider in the toilet paper.
We unrolled it like we in Arizona, So everyone's on

(01:40:41):
high alert. If you don't live here, we're the Australia
of America. We have all of the creepy crawlers.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Well, family comes and they all get stressed. The snakes
and scorpions are just and spiders are.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Just gonna wander it wherever they are. Yeah, so we
unroll the toilet paper a little bit and stuck a
fake plastic spider in there. And this was like, after
the kids have gone to bed, you and I are
in the living room. I think you might have even
forgotten that we have done it, and we look at
each other and realize what's about to happen. And she
goes in there's like washing her face, getting ready for bed,

(01:41:16):
and then we hear a blood curdling scream and she
comes running out of the bathroom with like her pants
at her ank and like just how quickly she reacted
to that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
It was a good.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
One to the point where she came out and we
were laughing so hard we were like silent laughing because
we had no air left in our sist. She like
came out and was like, I hate you guys. Yeah,
you're gotta be on high alert when you come to
our house.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Well, remember we bought the skeleton with the lighted eyes
and I put it in the bathroom, Yeah, in the dark,
and our daughter walked in and just freaked. I got
that one on video.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
That was So that's enough for today. That was a
fun one to kind of light it up a little bit.
But yeah, we love prank. So if you have prank ideas,
send them our way, drop them in to a DM
or an email because I'm always looking for more ideas.
But then and I will back here next week where
we break down and recap another episode of unsold Bye,

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