Paquette Murders, Twin Powers, FBI Wanted & Lost Love

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everybody, I'm Sierra and welcome back to another episode
of The Unsolved.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Couple, where every week Ben and I really have one
of your original gateway drugs and true crime unsolved mystery.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Well, we're almost at a year.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I know it's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
It is a big deal. I feel I'm excited. I
don't know, I feel like I'm nervous about it, like
because so when we started this, I remember thinking, Okay,
if we can make it a year and it's not
just a total flop, then we can keep doing it.
But I was in the back of my mind there

(00:45):
was kind of like this chance that twelve people would
listen to this and then.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
An apple would say listen, we gave this a listen.
This is not allowed, you know.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
But just like that, we would work really hard for
a year at it and nothing would come of it,
and so we would hang it up right like that
was kind of the plan. And that hasn't been the case,
and I'm very grateful for that. And the momentum keeps
showing that people every week are showing up with listening.

(01:20):
So I'm excited to tackle year two.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Police departments are reaching out. They want us to dive
in dive into mysteries theirs.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, but we did have quite a big response of
people wanting us to cover the cruise ship Mamie Bradley case.
You know what, So no, no, no, this is what I
want to do for our one year anniversary for September.
I want to do like a two or three parter
on that documentary, So we wouldn't work for three parts.

(01:52):
Well it's the three episodes. Yeah, but I thought we'll
recap the episodes just like we do with this. We're
not doing our own investigation and just kind of sharing
the story. And I don't know. Here's the thing. I
knew about this case many many years ago, and it's

(02:15):
always fascinated me. You had never heard of it before?
Had you've never heard of it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I had, obviously I have now because you started watching
that documentary the other day.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Did I even make it an episode?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
You watched, like I think you came in a little
into the start of it, asked a few questions the
part of it. Yeah, I kind of filled you in.
You watched it, had a few thoughts, which, again I
always find it interesting because with your background and just
your different outlook on life, being very like a type.

(02:49):
When we watch something together, you always have very unique
and different thoughts on things that I think are important
to have conversations because I've heard so much media about
this that I could have a ton of misinformation about
it in my life. So anyways, I finished the documentary.

(03:12):
It's amazing, But I think I think that's what we're
going to do for the first couple episodes in September,
just to kind of as a thank you to our patrons.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
So I was gonna so I was scrolling through news
today and I see headline on this thing, Okay, this case. Yeah,
I already forgot the name. That seems Bradley Bradley.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
So I'm thinking, oh, did something new come because this documentary? Right,
and they pitched I can't remember the headline, but they
pitch it like something you know might have broken on
this case. Yeah, all right, Well I'll skim this article.
This is a big deal for me to even click

(04:02):
on a true crime article. Yeah, and I'm rating the
first part of it and then I just start skimming
them going through it. No, this reporter whoever it is,
and I'm not even I don't know who it is.
I'm not even going to call it out. I'm just irritated.
All they did was recap what this case was and

(04:23):
that Netflix had done a documentary on it, so clickbaited people.
Oh so you didn't do anything. You literally just wrote
an article to get people to read your article.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, and you clickbait knowing full well that a lot
of people are talking about this case and you.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
But it would get people to click on Yeah, yeah,
this is I was annoyed.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm sorry. We don't have any more through information. It
would just be recapping the episode and sharing our very
limited and completely unnecessary expertise or lack thereof thoughts. Okay,
so we're recapping seasoned three episodes six today. Before we
get started view housekeeping things off the top, we need

(05:06):
to give a big thanks to Holly Sterling. She shared
some love with us over on our link of buying
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show even better for you guys. And so I asked

(05:28):
her what her favorite nineties Memory or unsolved or Unsolved
Mysteries episode was, and this is what she wrote back,
My favorite nineties memory is writing in my husband's black
Honda CRX pot car with the sunroof open, listening to

(05:48):
those carry over eighties songs while we drove down the
coast to in San Diego, care free, nothing to worry
about in the world. We went dancing at the clubs
and drink Pat's Blue Ribbon beer until we ran out
of money. That's a good that's a good, solid nineties memory.
What kind of what song do you think? What when

(06:10):
you hear eighties carryover songs, So things that were like
the end of the eighties that carry over to the
early nineties, any songs in particular you think of? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
I can think not that. Just you're saying like artists
that just stayed big or what.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
The only a's my brothers were big into like rush
in the cars.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and I do.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I still love that Billy Joel, I know Billy Joel's
eighties and seventies. I love Billy Joel. Yeah, I could
listen to Billy Joel.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
That was the first concert but and I ever went
to together. It's awesome. Yeah, but I don't know anyway,
what do you think? Here's it when I think of
like early nineties and stuff, and I don't think I
think of like SA Base and like Mariah Carey and
stuff like that. But I don't think that they were
quite there in the eighties. So maybe Michael Jackson, because
didn't he come out with about that time. Yeah, Michael

(07:10):
Jackson's that's a good one. And then you just had
a lot of boys wearing really tight highways. Kids on
the block love them, you know, they were they were
late eighties, late eighties into the early nineties. Yeah, boy George,
who I don't think we love anymore. I think he
made some out of pocket things, but I think he
was that person you never heard of Madonna right eighties

(07:32):
into the nineties. Yeah, So I don't know, but yeah,
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Speaker 3 (08:10):
With ten friends so that you have good luck for
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Speaker 1 (08:16):
I think it's illegal to write chain me mail. I
think I listened to a podcast about like it got
to be a problem, and now I think it's against
the law. If not really tempted to start a chain
letter commuting our podcast.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
What it's against moral etiquely, I.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Know, but it would be such like a reminisce nineties
thing to start a chain that.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Wasn't nineties, that was like it was.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Nineties, early two thousands. Yeah, all right, let's move on. Okay.
So I have a very once again horribly told story.
It really was, Yeah, because the very first opening part
has almost nothing to do with it, and.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
It kind of does fairly, but they don't give you
the details. Nope, it does have something to do with
the story.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, but I think you could have almost not even
brought them, but they present it at up top like
the y you think that that's the story exactly, all right,
So I didn't even I was saying, I didn't even
put that information in Okay, so at the very top
of the episode, we are introduced to this little tiny

(09:28):
town where is it, New Hampshire, and it tells us
that two bodies are found children, children, two teenage girls
are found murdered and this tortured and murdered. It was
a bad thing. Yeah, both of these girls had like

(09:53):
disappeared during some sort of snowstorm. So I think that
was half the problem is they didn't people didn't realize
that they were necessarily like missing right away because the
weather wasn't and there wasn't ability to go out and
look for them. Okay, they had been assaulted, tortured and murdered.

(10:15):
Their belongings were scattered all over town, and it just
kind of shook this community because it was such a
small town. It's one of those things like this person
lives here, we might know this person.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Sure, it's probably the worst thing that had happened in
that town.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, that's what it said. It kind of broke the
kind of it broke the glass ceiling as far as
their safety and feeling like that there's nothing bad could
ever happen there. It took that innocence of that away.
But this is not But that's not the story, all right, Okay,
what serious is? The story is about a fifty four

(10:52):
year old housewife named Reina Pasket. She lived with her
family in the town of Hooksett, New Hampshire. Okay, she
Reina claimed to know the identity of the killer, but

(11:13):
the police did not act on her tip. She told
family that she was receiving disturbing calls from a French
speaking woman about the case.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
French speaking. Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
The caller directed her several times to the farm's pigsty
to look for clues in the case. So that was
one thing. The pigsie is going to come up here
again shortly. But I was really confused as to why
they made such a big deal about it on the episode.

(11:48):
And we're going to find out that Raina had worked
or had a friend part time that owned a laundry
matt in town and she was actually concerned that her
was the killer, and so she told this lady to
call in the tip because she couldn't turn in her son.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Here's this what concerned me about this case. Sorry, this
is a long case.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
It's a long case. We got to get through it,
and it's a little confusing.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Robert Stack says that she felt she knew who the
killer was. She was telling and the police and no
one in town believed, which makes which raises the question
why was her credibility? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
All of my side research, I didn't find anything as
to why that wasn't the case, all right, So that's it.
That's all I got, because I was even more confused,
like where did this come from? Well, it turns out
that the lady that on this laundry mat told her
told Renade that she believed her son because he'd made
references a few times to the pig sty on the

(13:00):
Pasquette's property, and it was not close to their residence.
It was an abandoned pig sty. It legitimately is a
shack that used to hold livestock, it is not used,
and it was like more than a mile from the
actual main farm house. So this is an extensive piece
of property. So somehow this woman is called in these tips.

(13:21):
She's telling everybody this, no one seems to be taking
it serious. So enter Rene's thirteen year old son, Danny.
He comes down for breakfast one morning.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Which the actor's like, thirty.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yes, yes, I thought it was like an adult man,
but it's a thirteen year.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Old, which I get, You're just you gotta find an
actor to play this.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
But anyways, he had stayed home from school that day
because he had a dentist's appointment. His mom was supposed
to take him too, so he slept in as most
thirteen year old boys would do. He comes downstairs expecting breakfast,
but his mom's not home. But he noticed that. And now,

(14:03):
even though the reenactment takes place in the dead of summer.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
But they tell us when it was February, it.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Was like January. It was uh, yeah, like February. It
was the dead of winter, basing it was freezing, yeah,
So they he had found that his mom's winter coat
and like her winter shoes had been left behind. So
he calls his uncle and they searched throughout the whole farm,
and the reason even seemed like they split up, even
because it was such a big piece of property, which

(14:30):
they don't mention on unsolved mysteries, this was going to
take a while for them to like look around. So
after searching for over an hour, Danny noticed smoke coming
from the Pigsye area, which was about a mile from
the family home. Inside they found Rene's charred body. It

(14:52):
was in the same barn that she had been claiming
that one of the girls had been murdered in. Surprisingly,
the police ruled her death as what a suicide? What? What?
Who lights themselves on fire for that? I mean, here's the thing.
It happens. I looked it up. But it is not

(15:16):
normal at all, Like, it's just not They claimed.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
There's a bunch of facts about that too.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
That don't Yeah, and we'll get into that. This is
like unsolved mysteries. Didn't give us a ton of the facts,
so I'm gonna I'll sprinkle them in throughout here. But
they the police suspected that she was quote despondent over
the death of John F. Kennedy.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, I just I don't get this.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
What don't Did she have a personal relationship with johnnify?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Again?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
This makes me raise like, was was she like the
crazy town lads?

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Is this lady? Did people just not take the lady
or were concerned? Was there some type of mental thing
going on that everyone in the town knew about. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I don't know. I'm not trying to accuse anyone. I mean,
for them to draw that conclusion that she because if.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
It's not the case, then what the heck are you
guys doing? Yeah, because and even if that is the case,
that she was kind of a little eccentric, you still
have to take it seriously. I just when they were
talking about this, I was so confused. Same and at

(16:34):
least again, you're only getting what Unsolved Mysteries is telling us,
which I do think there there's a lot of stuff
that was left out, But I still don't think whatever
they left out, I don't think it's It.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Doesn't give you much anything. So a few weeks after
the death, a local delivery man named Edward Coolidgee was
arrested and charged with Pamela's murder. The girls, yes, Pamela
one of that she was one of the teenage girls.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, we didn't name their names earlier, but that was
the girls that were murdered.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
He was the man that Raina had been telling everyone
was the sub sect. Yes, so she was correct goodness,
which they don't even make a big deal about that
on Unsolved. They kind of say this and was arrested,
but they never confirmed that that was who she was
talking about, but it was. He was later convicted of
murder and sentenced to life in prison. So she was

(17:31):
telling the truth, or at least what she suspected to be. Danny,
her thirteen year old son, is deeply affected by his
mom's death as he grows up. So and again we're
not even really talking about Raina's murder or her supposed suicide.
Here she was murdered, I understand that. But again unsolved mysteries.

(17:54):
That's not even the case they're trying to solve.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I know.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Enter once again, Danny the son. He grows up and
becomes close to his brother Victor, but his obvious he
does not really ever recover from this and becomes what
you would call a troubled teenager. He gets married, he

(18:19):
has a couple of kids, but in nineteen eighty one,
he and his wife divorce and in a bitter legal battle,
he loses custody of his children. In the summer of
nineteen eighty one, after becoming frustrated that he could not
see them, he drove over to his ex wife's house,
banged on the front door, and is screaming at her

(18:40):
to be let into the house. She calls the police
and he's taken into custody. After the outburist Danny is
sent to a psychiatrical hospital and once again enter our
favorite nineties remedy for anything. Eddie's remit, what was it, Ben?

(19:00):
They put him under hypnosis? Why? I don't know? No
one tells us.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I think I don't know that that clearly hypnosis, was it?
Some the medical field got on this bandwagon and they
were riding it off this cliff. They were just dead
set that this.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Was going to be the cure all for any sort
of anxiety depression, remember even weight loss? Yes, yes, yes, yeah.
So have you ever told you your hypnosis story? No?
I don't think so. All right, under hypnosis, he reveals
that he had actually woken up that morning and saw

(19:41):
his mom arguing with the delivery man on the day
that she was killed. All of the sudden, he claims
that Edward, who killed Pamela Light, is suspected of killing
the other teenage girl. He wasn't convicted of both, just
one of them is also his mother's killer. And he

(20:02):
you know, yeah, and he is sad that this case
has not been reopened and reinvestigated. Five months later, Danny's
release from the hospital and tries to start getting his
life on track. Five months Wow, on November ninth, nineteen
eighty five. He was repairing a bulldozer while his two
friends are working in the garage. At eleven am. They

(20:25):
hear a loud pop and run out to find him
laying on the ground. He had been shot in the
back and killed instantly. Near the site he was killed,
police found footprints that they believe belonged to the killer,
who had apparently ran away from the scene. The bullet
that killed Danny was found in a nearby telephone line.
The authorities investigated the possibility that he had died accidentally

(20:50):
and was shot by hunters in a local gravel pit
approximately how far away from the scene? Over a mile? Yeah,
just like a hunting rifle. Nope, this was crazy to me. Nope.
What were these cops in New Hampshire.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
I do not know. I'm worried.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
The lady supposedly took her own life over JFK and
this man accidentally got shot with a hunting rifle a
mile away.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Did you hear that the bullet For it to have
been shot from that gravel pit, it would have traveled
over a mile and defied gravity by climbing thousand feet.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
But that's the thing wouldn't you look at any elevation
map and realize that there's a mountain in.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
The way or bullet It doesn't go up.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
An object in motion, what stays in motion?

Speaker 3 (21:50):
But overtime the bullet dropped.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yes, because it is interacting with the air and the atmosphere,
and it's lows and it's going to go down, not up. Yeah.
I was like, to the point, you guys, they hired
an expert to come out and be the one to
tell him that this that the police said this was
not possible. Do you think they were just trying to
come up with an easy answer so they could brush

(22:17):
this off.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I just think it's either that or the most incompetent
human beings got put in charge there.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't understand. I don't know how they, yeah, even
came to that conclusion.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I don't know either. However, we're able to quickly eliminate
that option that was even on the table as crazy.
Some of Danny's friends and loved ones now believe the
same person who killed him was responsible for the mother's
death and vengeance of some sort of payback for the
delivery man being named, and both of these people's death

(22:55):
remain a mystery, and that's where n self mysteries leaves us. Okay,
all right, up date, Okay, I have two kind of updates.
All right. So Ray's family believes that Edward Coolidgee was
responsible for her murder because he'd gotten word that she
was telling everyone in town that he was responsible, and

(23:17):
the fact that she was found dead in the pig
sty was a representation of that.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Well, I thought i'd heard someone, I read something to
the door was blocked from the outseit.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yes, the door was blocked from the outside, and I
think they didn't find out later that she was like
stabbed or shot or something like. There was ant they
believe that that that wasn't like how she necessarily I
don't know if they know she was still alive enough,
but that there was other evidences of other crimes committed
against her. Okay. So however, like in nineteen ninety one,

(23:54):
her body's exhumed and thankfully they changed the cause of
death from suicide to quote undetermined again.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, honestly, Yeah, that long they're not left with much,
which there probably isn't a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, And so the medical exam an employee for the
medical's officer actually located her original autopsy report, and it
stated that seminole fluid had been found on her body
and that there was evidence that her arms had been
tied and bound behind her back. How didn't they come

(24:33):
to I don't know, and that yeah, someone had also
placed two large logs outside the barn door so that
it could not be opened from the inside. Furthermore, a
retired officer stated that he and one other investigator did
not believe that she had taken her own life, and
when they brought this up to whoever was in charge

(24:56):
in nineteen sixty four, were told to just forget it,
and that the man who already was suspected of it
was already in prison, so it didn't really matter. Okay, okay,
all right. However, he's never been charged with it, so
that still remains quote unsolved, okay, murder too. In two

(25:18):
thousand and five, a man named Eric Winhurst was arrested
and charged with Danny's murder. At the time, he had
been dating Danny's stepdaughter, who was not mentioned in the
original Unsolved Mysteries episode. She So, her name is Melayna Cooper.

(25:40):
I believe Mulaye Cooper. She had been originally questioned and
claimed that her and her boyfriend were at a field
hockey game the time of Danny's murder. However, she later
admitted to being with Eric when he killed him. She
claimed that Danny had been sexually molesting her for years.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, I did not see that one.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Neither did I, and that Eric had taken care of
this for her by taking this man's life. Eric's family
told police that the everyone knew about this and it
was considered an open secret that Danny had committed a
murder to take a child molester off the streets. Uh. So,

(26:32):
Milna served fifteen months for hindering the investigation originally into
Danny's murder, and Eric played guilty and was sentenced to
fifteen years in prison. In twenty twenty, he was released
on parole.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Well, that one took a turn.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Huh. Yeah, were you expecting that at all? No? No,
But obviously I didn't really think it was connected to moms.
I mean, here's the thing, is it that size of
town for the mom and the son to both be
murdered is crazy.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, it's a crazy story that clearly. I mean when
they had to tell you the story of the mom,
you know, instantly she's murdered.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, right, that's unlike the police.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, and then for him to be murdered. Yeah, I
did not think they were connected at all. Again, I
thought it was strange that they wanted to rule his
death and accident and they were just okay with that,
like we've.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Been getting away with this for years somewhat, we just
find any random excuse and way you can write it
up that way, Well over the mall.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
It lifted one thousand feet.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, I don't know. It's insane and maybe.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
You know, maybe the police knew that.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Nervous like, yeah, I don't know, man with this excuse. Yeah,
that's a fair point. Is now that you know why
he was taken out, maybe the cops were like.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
The world's a better place and his interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I don't know, because there was never any evidence presented
that he was.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
And that is the thing is I don't want to say.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Because when it comes to vigilanti justice, that is the down.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Listen until proven guilty, like everyone deserves their day in court,
right Yeah. So yeah, I mean so.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I can find out later than she actually came. She
joined a certain faith when she got older and felt
responsible for this, and she came forward without being like
questioned or anything as far as that, and came clear
of everything. Sucks for her friend, because I.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Say, sucks for the guy that did.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
From my understanding, he didn't call him beforehand and said, hey,
I can't live with this anymore. And I'm like, also,
my guy, you taught you could have done us yourself.
Maybe I don't know, you talked to a friend of
yours into doing it and then.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
She probably was dealing with a lot of trauma at that.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yes, yeah, is this a crappy situation all around?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
All of this is true because again this is just allegation. Yeah,
but if it's all true, terrible for everybody.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, and it's Yeah, it's hard for me because I'm like,
for a teenage boy to hear that something is happening
that he is like, there's no wiggle room for that
in my world, Like, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Know, I don't want to like it will debate, Yeah,
and I can listen.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
I could see it a thousand different ways. But that's
why just my.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Next story is about a child leist, and I do
think child molestors. You're done is a child molest The
world is a better place without you, So can I understand, guys, remember.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
My last rant about why men, majority of men most
of the time, abuse underage children, why they are slapped
on the wrist about it. It makes me infuriated.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah, that's only I mean. I think the world is
a better place without these people. So can I understand? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
But unfortunately though, that's why justice is important, because you
get to prove your guilt in it. Like it. Yeah,
Because here's the thing. Maybe he didn't and we'll never know,
but I believe the women when they came forward and
say that too. So I believe this woman. But he

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can't now.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
With knowing nothing.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Else, Without knowing anything, you don't.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Know anything else. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Why
would you do that if there.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Was well and they were already divorced. It's not like
he was living in their home all the time anyways.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, so I know, did not see that one coming
because I didn't any research on that.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Was aghast then, as one might say, okay, all right,
you're you ready for another art? I am so sorry. Guys,
we're gonna have to lighten this up as much as
we can. But I did zero research on yours as well,
so I don't know anything.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, it's all right, we're gonna get So we get
the FBI's as clears before Americas Most wanted. So the
FBI director comes on and he's like, hey, we got
a new person on our ten most.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Have another terrible human being. We need to help.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Guy's a piece of garbage and his name is Kenneth
Robert Stanton. And we get told he is wanted at
this time by the FBI or child molestation, burgley, unlawful flight,
impersonating the police officer, and some other stuff. So they

(31:48):
tell us Robert or Kenneth Robert stan He was convicted
in nineteen sixty four of child molestation, sent to a
mental hospital in Michigan, and he was diagnosed as a
criminal sexual psychopath. Okay, he was diagnosis he was a

(32:13):
terrible person, but.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
You're diagnosis your garbage.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
That's version of his diagnose. But he did several years
in this mental hospital and then he was deemed able
to go back out into society. So he goes back
out into society. What happens rolls around nineteen eighty nine Jackson, Mississippi.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
We get told, wait, so how long when did he
get released? After several years, you know when he got out.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Not exactly, Okay, I didn't give me any exact time.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I guess I'm trying to be How long was he
out back on the street.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Twenty years? He did a few years nineteen sixty four.
There is a wake of.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Victims, which means that there. Yeah, that means it between
those times. Yeah, I don't want to know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Anyways, Jackson, Mississippi. We get the FBI agent on there.
He pretty much tells us He's like, listen, this is
this guy's m O. He's a traveling salesman, which and
he looks for houses with girls between the ages of

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seven and twelve.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
They call it pre pubescent child. I don't.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
So he goes to the door. He pretends to be
a policeman. The re enactment is and then the FBI says,
he says, you know, hey, I'm doing a survey or
I'm looking for I'm helping the health department check on milk,
spoiled milk or bad milk in the area.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Do you you know?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
The girl answers, do you know where your milk come from?

Speaker 1 (34:00):
No? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
So he tries to use this sign of authority to
get in the door to Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Because we teach our children to trust police officers.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
So then they says, if they don't let him in,
his next mode is he pulls out like a bag
of marijuana and says, well, I found this on the porch,
and that gives me the right to search.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
And can you imagine going from milk to marijuana. It
seems like a wild take. I don't know. But again,
you're dealing with girls under the age of twelve, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
There, they just don't quite understand the threats.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, and they shouldn't have to because they are children.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Absolutely. So he when he does finally get in, he
blindfolds them and he you know, he commits a crime,
a terrible, terrible crime. Which anyways, so in Jackson, Mississippi,
he did this to a girl. She screamed and fought back.

(35:09):
Good because he's a coward. He's a coward. And an
old person runs away.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, because he's a pansy. And then an awesome neighbor
kid sees him running. Here's the girl scream sees him running,
sees him get in the car and he says, I'm
getting this license plate and he got the license plate correct,
so tells it to the police place.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Come out. The girl identifies him in a lineup, not
a lineup, but a photo. So now they know and
obviously this guy's on their radar, or at least they know.
He's got a prior, they say, like he so now
they're looking for him. He's traveled from Mississippi through Alabama
to Georgia and the FBI says that in that time

(35:56):
they're looking for him, he's suspected of at least eleven
child molestations.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Oh my goodness, yeah, yeah, which means he didn't stop
for twenty years. No, no, who knew, who knew.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
So they're saying, listen, this guy is a serial child rapist.
We want to find him. We want to get this guy.
And that is where I'm sold mystery.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Where was the kid for my last story?

Speaker 3 (36:24):
This is where un sold mysteries leaves us.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Okay, please, for the love of everything, have a good update.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Captured.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Thank goodness, he was unsold mysteries. Help capture he actually
he himself saw. I do love it when we find
out that the loser saw themself.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, so, mister Kenneth, he was and I'm looking. I
was living in a trailer park at the time. And
I want to say, Ohio as funny because they interview,
because they do the update. Yeah, you see it, the

(37:05):
interview one of its neighbors, and the lady is like,
I want this I don't want this guy in my neighborhood.
And I'm with you, lady, But then she literally says,
I was telling my son to hang out, and she
had her son in the front yard staking out his
house waiting for him to come back.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
So I'll tell you what. One of my good, good
friends growing up lived in like a trailer park, and
I loved going to her house because, first off, all
of the kids in that neighborhood are our friends. You
have to be you have to be right, because most
of them have either just a single parent or we're
both parents. Just trying to get by your front yard

(37:46):
as everyone else's friend exactly. And so they were always
got riding their bikes, getting into trouble, having fun like
running in and out of each other's homes. It is
a knit community. And for them to find out that
this guy is a predator, he's lucky that the FBI

(38:07):
showed up to get him. Well, so they go he's
not there, by the way, he's living with his wife
who he'd married a few weeks earlier. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Anyways, so he's on the run. He goes to rock Hills,
South Carolina, which the FBI tracked him there because guess
what he tried to do in rock Hills, Well lest
a child, a nine year old girl. Yes, so FBI
is in rock Hills, South Carolina. They're looking for him,

(38:40):
and I'll give him this man. They were canvassing everything.
They found his car in a motel parking lot. It
wasn't even a tip. The FBI found it themselves and
then found which the guy registered under his own name
at the hotel, go in like, yeah, we're looking for
this guy. Yeah, he's in room whatever.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, and they arrest him.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
He is convicted.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
If you tell me that he didn't serve any time,
he was sentenced to sixty years Bufflicia. He died in
prison in twenty eleven. Good, good, ridden bye. We're better
off with us. It's too bad you got to live
till two thousand and eleven. Yeah. Yeah, but I hope.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
While you were in prison, all the prisoners.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Made themselves write at home with you.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
They just they I hope they made your life. Yeah,
because you're a miserable humanian and I shouldn't say those things.
I'm trying to be a nicer person, but you.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Are trying to be a nicer person. But that guy
is a piece of I will say. You and I've
had conversations about so law enforcement has many, many, many,
many fields within that umbrella, right, And that is one
thing that I you and I have had conversations about

(40:03):
working in the world of child predators in all of
its forms, that I genuinely, honestly don't think that you
would serve like you would do well in emotional like
I don't know if you'd be able to control yourself. No,
it's just it's a terrible thing. And people that I'm
grateful for the people that are able to research and

(40:26):
find these people and take them down and keep and
show up every day. I just you want to break
somebody's spirit. I can't imagine working in those fields, in
that sort of area of expertise of law enforcement. That's terrible.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm really glad this guy's caught. It's
unfortunate he was in the world. He clearly was in
the world too long. But yeah, I'm glad he was kind.
I'm glad glad that he did a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I am too. I'm glad that they took it serious.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
And that he never he never got to go out
into society again. That was that's a win for society
that he was never back out there.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yes, okay, are you ready for the Hinkle Family Lost Love?

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
From here all right, everybody, from here on out, we're
gonna light it up a little. We wanted to get
the two kind of heavy stories out of the way out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
So Verson is a little sad but not crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, so first off, all sort of off. We've been
downloaded in a handful of new places over the last week.
So here we go. Tokyo. Yeah, that's cooy yay, Soko, Japan. Amsterdam, dude, man,

(41:46):
we're going international Amsterdam. I'd love to know if you lived,
if you download US in Amsterdam? We're there for vacation
or do you live there? Because Amsterdam is wild? Everything
is legal there. Did you know that about Amsterdam? No?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
I don't know anything about Amerstam. I've never been. Well,
a surprise to everybody, but I've never been.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
I haven't been either. But when I say almost everything
is legal, I mean all of the things. But yet
at the same time, I've heard like that because so
many of those things are legal, like everything is so
well controlled and like regulated that the oddly enough it's
like very safe there because I don't know, Amsterdam seems

(42:31):
like a really cool place. Yeah. So then in direct
contrast to that, we have Midville, Utah, where everything's illegal. Okay. Golfport,
Mississippi one of my favorite places. I lived there, and
I want then to move there for work and us

(42:52):
to live in golf Court. One of my favorite Christmas
movies is filmed in Golfport, Mississippi.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
What Christmas movie?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Uh, the one about the girl that comes home and
like the boy is helping with like the float or
the parade or something. Do you remember this? It's all
filmed in Gulfport, Mississippi. I'll look it up, Deering your
story and find you. And I have watched it together
and I loved it.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Cecira and I are big on all the dumb Hallmark
cheesy Christmas Yeah, come Christmas time. Christmas is a big
deal in our house. Come Christmas time. Any literally, any
Christmas movie that comes out, we will watch it.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
The most cheesiest movie.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
But this is one of my favorite ones. Yeah, Greenville,
South Carolina and spring Boro, Ohio. So welcome spring Boro.
It's b o Springborough. They probably say it different there,
but that's oh, that's I mean. I grew up in Hillsborough, Hillsboro, Hillsborough, Hillsborough.

(44:12):
I cannot say that Borrow Hillsboro burn all right, So
I have lost love for you, Okay. In nineteen twenty four,
we're building up to what happens shortly after.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Or is it five years?

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Great Depress, Great Depression. The Hinckley family Hinckley hi n
k l E. Yeah, family lived in Greenville, Tennessee. I
did look up Greenville, Tennessee today. Looks beautiful. We should
get a house there, a small rural community sixty miles
northeast of Knoxville. Though the Great Depression is on its way,

(44:55):
like Bennis told us, it had arrived early for the
tobacco farmers in this area. The thing about tobacco farming,
at least back in the day was there wasn't a
huge room for profit. It was kind of touch and
go for a lot of times. In this family, in particular,
times were tough that summer and the father of this family,

(45:20):
Roughest Hinkle, was forced to make an agonizing decision. May
twenty second, nineteen twenty four, Julie, his wife of twenty
two years, died shortly after giving birth to their twin girls. Yeah,
their names were Mary and Martha. They had nine other children.

(45:40):
It's a lot of kids, a lot of kids, so
nine to eleven eleven kids, and I did so. I
looked him up on ancestry. It seemed like their oldest
kids by that point were like in their late teens,
so they were spread out in an age. Did feel

(46:00):
those us rufus us rufus, rufus ruffus. H feels like
he can't make ends meet and two newborns and no
wife and no wife.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
He tells his kids that he's going to take the
twins to the hospital because they had been sick. However,
on that hot July afternoon, he takes them on a
one way trip to the Holston Home for Children, an
orphanage in Greenville. He hoped to reclaim them once he

(46:43):
was able to kind of, I think, get through the
summer following season and get some income back in several
and this was not in the episode, but several weeks later,
he actually changes his mind, so they weren't there for
very long. Him and his son Lloyd go back to
the orphanage to try to get the girls back, but

(47:05):
sadly they had already been adopted out and did They
claim that they had tried to find someone to take
both the girls but it was impossible, which I do
not believe. I doubt that, and that they were separated,
but the twins were quote with fine families. Sadly, June fourth,

(47:29):
nineteen fifty he passed away and never saw his twin
girls again. I have a feeling that that guilt contributed
to I'm sure. Yeah, and he was mourning the loss
of his wife.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I'm not making energy.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
They were married for twenty something years, had eleven kids together,
she passes away. He makes this probably heartbroken, grief stricken
decision and then regrets it. Go I was back and
has to live with that forever.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, I'm not making it.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I don't know what it's like to be trying to Yeah, no,
I have no safety in that back then, there's people
that are interviewed on this speak highly of him. So yeah,
because his kids, Yeah, so shortly. At one point Shorty,
he was one of the older brothers, had heard that
the Orphanage would actually refuse to give them any information

(48:26):
until the birth parents had both were both deceased, so
the mother Alory passed away. After their father died, they
were able to start looking for their twin sisters. In
nineteen fifty five, Shorty contacted the Orphanage and they were
unable to locate Martha, but they were able to trace
Mary down or track her down. She had been adopted

(48:50):
by this Sanderson family in September, shortly after he and
his wife Joe, drove to Blueville, West Virginia to meet
his young baby's sister. On the afternoon that reunion was Shorty.
Mary is the first time she has ever told that
she has a twin sister and that her name is Martha.

(49:12):
I first off, I don't know if she knew her
whole life, if she had been adopted or not. But
she finds out, she meets her brother and then to
come and find out she has a twin sister, all
in like a very short period of time. So Shorty
tells Mary that the Orphanage had lost track of Martha
and that she had never actually been officially adopted, which

(49:34):
then makes me think, could his family have gotten him?
But it's thinking about now, But that's terrible, It is awful. Instead,
she had been sent to a temporary home and as
a result, they had been unable to locate her. Mary
and Shorty had often wondered how her life had turned out,
where she was located, and if she'd been searching for
her family as well. Fast forward thirty year years after

(50:02):
Mary was found, Jackie took on the family quest. I
believe Jackie might have been one of the grandkids. Okay.
She learned that in November nineteen twenty four, Martha had
been temporarily given to the Meeks of Johnson City, Tennessee,
a small town thirty miles so she was very close.

(50:23):
Jackie centered or searched around Johnson City. She goes through
old record books, census records, directories, anything she can.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
She goes to the town.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
She goes to the town. Yes, and Jess is asking,
because this is again a very small town, has anyone
heard of this Meek's family? Unable to find any trace
of them.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
There's where do you go in a small town to
try a gain information?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
The diner or the coffee shop or the local little
gas station that serves coffee or something like it.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
That diner.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
So here's the problem. They have no pictures of Martha.
Maybe she's an identical twin, maybe not. They get they
don't know. They're born in the spring of nineteen twenty four.
I'm guessing this is a home berst so there's not
a lot of records. They were taken to the orphanage,
but that place didn't really do record keeping very well

(51:18):
and they were about four months old at the time.
That's all they have. That's it. So that's kind of
where unsolved mysteries leads us, all right. Update solved In
nineteen ninety one, shortly after the story was re aired
for the second time, a viewer from San Bernardino, California,

(51:40):
contacted the family with some weird news or surprisingly good news.
She was actually searching for her mother's biological family and
accidentally had stumbled across the mother that she believed was
in the family, the Hinckley family, So she like discovered

(52:02):
the accidental adoption family. Sheka, does that make sense? So
she's looking for her mother's biological family and ends up
somehow thinking that her mother's connected to this family tree.
They're not. But then when the story airs, she's like,
I think I might have already, I might have located
this person. So Martha had lived with Charles and Linda

(52:27):
Meeks for three years. Sandy found records from the Elds
Church that showed that Charles had been treated at a
veterans administrative center in Johnson City, Tennessee. So they got
some records for anyone that doesn't know. The Eldis Church
has a huge family history, Like they even have like

(52:47):
a big center about it, you like a building you
can even go to in Salt Lake and do anyone.
You don't have to be a member of their faith.
Anyone can do family history searches with them. So it
sounds like this is how she ended up discovering this.
Shortly after moving to Georgia, meets the family that had

(53:07):
taken her, gets divorced. The parents divorce. Martha initially all
that goes and lives with the father, Charles, but was
later then adopted by Dan Jackson and Dan's wife, who
were friends of Charles. This is why this all got
so confusing, as this poor girl was passed to like

(53:29):
she's on family number four. Now, yeah, who lived in
Johnson City, Georgia, and in nineteen forty Martha Mary James
and they had four sons. They later moved to Savannah, Savannah.
Did she like that?

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I did?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, it was good. Sylva. What was that from where
they talked about that.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
You're pat princist in the Frog That's what I.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Love that movie all right? Where she worked in a
neen home and she was known by her friends and
family as a very loving and caring person.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
She had four boys, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Unfortunately though she had passed away literally weeks before they
were able to figure this out. I know, it's terrible.
And they interview the twin and you can just see
she's been searching for for thirty something years.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Longer than that, yeah, yeah, forty years now, Yeah, almost
forty years.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah, Yeah, that's wild. So although she was never able
to meet her twin sister, she was able to On
July twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, Martha's four sons come
together and all of the families, all of the siblings,
everyone gets together and has a family reunion, and it

(54:54):
seems to be a pretty good thing.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
I will say. They interviewed one of the boys and
he said, we're little nervous yes, And the minute we
came and stepped up, they made us all family. They
made us feel like we were and.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
They were not identical. No, no, they finally yeah, like,
oh yeah they're not.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
But it was said.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
It was said, all right, and that's my lost love story. Ben,
You're going to wrap us up and finish us out
with a really fun one that I actually I find
this subject fascinating. Okay, I've actually fund it fascinating my
whole life. Maybe I saw this unsolved mysteries when I
was a kid, and then I went up and grew
up and had twins of my own. But my we're

(55:35):
going to talk about more twins. Our twins are not identical.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
No, we do not have identical twins.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
But I've always been fascinated by twins, which I think
most people are.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, they're more.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Common now because of IVY and different things. But anyways,
I'm excited for you to tell this story, especially because
the reenactment on this you guys, there's some.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
That has not re enacted.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
It's just it's so good. It's so good. All right.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
So Robert Stack comes in to talk about the phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Of phenomenon Dodd.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Of identical twins, all right, and he goes on and
tell us like their likeness. Obviously it can be explained
by genetics, but there are weird stories that go beyond genetics.
That's what Robert staktos is that something. How do we

(56:34):
explain these connections that identical twins have. They have these
crazy weird Did you.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Ever know anyone that was identical twins? Have you ever
had friends or associated with anyone you know that?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yeah, there was identical twin girls in my school girls. Okay,
but you were super close with them? No, I didn't know,
but they were identical twins.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah, so everyone know them. Yeah, yeah that automatically technically
they stick out. I guess, Oh there's two girls will
exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Yeah, well we we know, but practically, yeah, are identical
twins in our ward? Maybe they're not, but they I
think they are. We all like each other.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Well, we've got two families that we know of, actually
three families. I think we know they have, no two
they have. We actually old enough to know a lot
of people with twins, but I think two of the
people we know with twins have uh, you know, two
people that have identical twin boys. Yeah yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Anyways, enough, yes, everyone probably knows a set of twins
someone yeah, you know, all right, so we get told about.
We're gonna get told three stories of identical twins, so
buckle up, people, because.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Ones are my favorite or is it the last ones?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
The last one? They are, right, but we're going to
get told about Mark Newman and Cherry Levy. Okay, they
were identical twins separated at birth.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
That's so sad.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Okay, yes I know. And they were separated for thirty
two years. Okay, and they tell us three years before
this broadcast that they had met for the first time
and they were shocked, shocked, What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I'm taking a picture of you for social media. Just
assume that if I have my phone out that that's
what I'm doing. No, I want people to follow us
on Instagram and self coupled pod.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
I don't like my picture taken.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I'm gonna just post a thousand photos of ben Guys,
all right.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
They're shocked by to find out.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
How you holding up your notes in front of your
face is not the solution.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
It is the solution. This is going to drag out
if you keep this up. I'm going to say this
for literally the third time. They were shocked to find
out how much like they are. All Right, do you
want to know how they were alike? Do you want
to hear these things?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
They're balding, hairlines were identical. That was the first thing
I noticed. That's genetics, all right, I understand, but it
is crazy to me that they are balding in exact.
And here's the thing. It's not like they just embraced
their baldness and one of them shaved their head. They
were cube ball bald on top with the rim around,

(59:34):
the rim around, yeah, and they both shaved the mustache.
That's the look we're going for. And it was I mean,
no joke. The hairlines were identical. Yes, absolutely, it was crazy.
That was the first thing I noticed.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
All right, this is how they were like. They're both
volunteer firemen.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Can't believe that.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
They both work in the long care industry. And they're
both bachelors, which I don't think that has anything to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Don't you think that was my choice?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
And I don't think that has anything to do with
being a twin? Do you not being married? All right?
And they always drink the same kind of beer. I
did write this down. They say it like that always
drink the same kind of beer. But they didn't say
that they drink the same beer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
They just drink but they're like, we both just like
a logger or an ale or a light beer. Well
what the same girl?

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Anyways? I yeah, I was okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Oh and they were cute together. They were goofy. You
could tell they'd become best of friends. Interesting, they've been
separated for a long time. I think any discovery good quote. Okay,
any discovery I'm sure for them was awesome. They and
they wear their car keys and a distinct manner. You
know how I feel about that. With car keys on
the Sierra has a problem. You guys with car keys

(01:01:08):
on the belt loop. Oh, I call it sensible. Anyone
with the sensible car keys, I'm like, I'm so sorry
if you're that person. If you wear sensible shoes and
have a sensible car key, Okay, if you dangle your
keys on your belt, that's not what that's meant for.

(01:01:30):
Please do something else. The only person that should dangle
keys on their belt it's a janitor. I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
I had a janitor at my elementary school. Older gentleman. Yeah,
his name was Ben too. That's why I remember awesome.
And he wore a massive key ring on his belt
and I thought it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I agree. I'm sorry, but it just it's something bothered me.
My key.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I'm wearing my keys on my belt loop from here
on out, I'm doing it by an keychain, right, divorse Amazon, click.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
You know, click by. I won't walk from public with
you like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I will and I'm going to tuck in my shirts
and wear long socks with with shorts.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
You automatically just turned into post Malone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah, I'm fine with that. Can I have his bank account? No?

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
He The oly reason he gets with looking like an
idiot is because of his bank account. Have I told
my Postmalone story on here? No? No, okay, sorry, he's
a great story. We've now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Said we have two stories and we have not told them.
But wait, this is tak him way too long. All right,
Here is a quote from one of the brothers. Are
you ready for this? Because obviously obviously they just all
of a sudden, they click, they get along, right, so
they say it was so weird, how well we just
got along, How well we just clicked? And he says this,

(01:02:53):
and I quote, it was like a brother who moved
away for thirty two years and then came back, and
what have you been doing for the last thirty two years?

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Do it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
And then we were doing the same thing. That's what
it was like. So these twins that were.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Separated, they are also brothers. It was like, Hey, it
was like we got separated for thirty two years and
then we came back together.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Can you believe it? Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
So crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
It is? So why are they so alike? Why are
their lives so parallel? We get a man by the
name of Travis Bouchard. He's a director of the Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Minnesota Isn't wait? Are the Twins in Minnesota the baseball team?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Haha? First off, how impressed are you with that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I'm actually quite impressed with that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
But I was going to say, Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota, that's
a big spot for the Twin Convention every year. A
what that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
You took that too far? You jumped the shark.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Oh, you added a this is Canadian.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Too, It's close enough to the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Two different countries.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Anyways, there's a giant twin convention there. For some reason,
Minnesota is like the twin cast.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
It's like a research facility or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Yeah, it's a direct and they have a baseball team
named the Twins. But he says, like these Mark and Jerry,
that's they're a phenomenon. They laugh the same, they hold
their beer the same, they gesture, their patterns of behavior
are like. So it just raises questions on how two
individuals raised apart in different, two different environments can be

(01:04:45):
so similar.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
How is that possible?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, I'm sure the scientists this is his dream come true,
to have identical twins that were separated at birth to
be able to study the nature.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Or you should have studied, Like that is a perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Thing because hypothetically, ethical wise, you cannot intentionally separate identical
twins at birth for scientific research. So to have that
happen without you intervening, yes, without you being a terrible
human being. Absolutely, yeah, Like, hey, we didn't do it,
but let's check it out. Yeah, so how are this

(01:05:21):
I don't know? All right, So Robert stat comes back.
He then tells us, you mean, I think that's weird,
but we have more mystifying things. He says that even
twins have a quote some paranormal experiences such as telepathic
communication or esp I don't know what ESP is or

(01:05:43):
ESPN is a sports channel.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
I didn't say ESPN or shared pain. Shared pain? All right,
are you ready for the next Yeah, that's that's going
to lead us into our next set of twins, shared pain.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Donald, extra sensory perception. That's great. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Thank you very much for shutting and clarifying for thank you.
Ready for Donald and Lewis Keith mm hmm. This story, these.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Two, these are my favorite. I want to be friends
with these boys. They're They're interesting, that is one way
to describe them. So Lewis is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Living in Chicago. Donald is in d C. Okay, Lewis
Donald and d C. Yes, Donald and d C Washington,
d C. What I said, Lewis is doing a workout
the guys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
This is awesome. Was incredible, Okay, So he says, He says,
I my friend told me this workout to help get
rid of though what you would call love handles. Okay,
but he is saying this with the most straight face

(01:07:09):
I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
You have to just see these yes, yeah, yeah, you
would understand that everything they say is with a straight face,
very serious, gentleman.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Okay, he's concerned about his love handles.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
And you know what, hey, listen, as a man that
just turned forty, I can understand. I got a little
extra pad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I got a little extra pad on the side.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I've never seen that in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
And I saw his workout and I said, I don't
think that's going to work.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Guys. He is sitting on a bench, a workout bench, YEP,
with a PVC pipe above his head.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Not above his head, it's true, scraped across his shoulders,
behind his head, across shoulders, and then he's got his
arms resting on top of and all he's doing is
twisted back and forth, twisted. He was assured that this
was the remedy. Did you see his.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
The lack of his shorts there was pretty sure something
nothing to the imagination that cow was about to come
out of the barn. It was real close. Yes, And
I don't know if he decided we should bring those
shorts back. Yeah. Did he pick out that out?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Did he pick out the costume for the re enactment
or did they I don't know. I'm worried if that's
in his closet, I'm worried.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Okay, after seeing him interviewed, I have a feeling it
was his. I do too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
So he says he's doing this workout to get rid
of his love handles, and he's twisting and all of
a sudden.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
And he's twisting and he's twisting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
He says, all of a sudden, he feels this very
sharp pain.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Did you write down the quote that he described where
the pain was at his groined air, Yes, but he
like said it in a weird way.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Well, I didn't write it in a weird way. I
just wrote in his growing area. The best part in
the reenactment, he.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Stands up and like, and you were just hoping that
nothing falls.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah, it's just it's wild and he's holding this pain. Okay.
Then we come to find out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
He's holding his growing area in the reenacting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
No, he's holding his what's it now, I've lost the
hip flexer area. Okay, he's he's definitely got hip wi.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Yeah, really close to that. Anyway, quit quit it saying
growing area, quit stop it. This is a clean podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
So his brother who's five hundred miles away, in DC.
He's walking down this terminal, this skybridge, and all of
a sudden, oh, pain in my hip flexer area growing area,
and he says, and Lewis tells us, this is the
most intense pain he's ever felt in his life. And ladies,

(01:10:04):
this is why we're better than men.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
And so Donald all of a sudden he feels this
pull hip flexer and it's the worst paint experienced in
their life.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
I'm trying to tell a story, all right, this is
an important story about twenty They're not listening. They're listening
to my story. Donald all of a sudden feels this pain,
and he then goes to his office. He calls his
brother and his receptor, his secretary or whatever, says he
had to go home. He hurt himself so bad, so Donald,

(01:10:43):
So he calls his brother, what's going on? He says,
I hurt? Where did you hurt? Well? Here I got this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Did you write the quote down? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Well I just wrote. Donald said he had to. He
called his brother because he said I was curious, and
his brother cuts him off and goes curious or a
sixth sense, and he's like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
And they thought that was hilarious. You guys said they
they planned that out. Oh absolutely, they thought that that
was going to be the punchline of the episode, and
you actually they delivered.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
It was the punchline of the episode. Okay, all right,
So come to find out they felt the pain in
the exact same spot, and he asked, what time did
that happen? Turns out, yes's ready for this exact same
it's the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Can you believe that? Yeah, shared pain.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Five hundred miles away.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
How's that possible?

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Okay, do you have an answer?

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It's a twin thing, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Be you ready for our next set of twins? These
are the best, These are the best.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Ben's in love with these women. He's going to leave
me for them. If they called tomorrow and said Ben,
they're like a hundred I know, but Ben's going to
be at their doorstep. I'm just they got ready together.
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Everyone to stop what you're doing and go just see
these people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
On this all post it on our socials, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Lovanna and Leavelda yep, Belta, welcome Levanna and Lavelda stage center,
dancing to Levanna and Leavelda, rote Richmond. They feel pain

(01:12:45):
for each other. Let me explain to you. They're sitting
with each other. They have the same exact hair, and
they are wearing the same exact dress. Yes, and they're
one of a kind. Yep, they are one of a kind.

(01:13:07):
They tell us how much they are connected with each other,
how they always say. They literally tell us that one
of them I'm sorry I didn't write, one of them
fell down the stairs at school, and they she says,
they went to go tell my sister that I had

(01:13:28):
fallen down the stairs, and when they went in, her
sister was unconscious on the floor because they felt the
shared pain. Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Okay, can you even bet you being friends with someone
like that? You're like, ugh, Levanna is at it again.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Okay, So they have they were born like in the twenties.
They have lived together their entire life, even even after
they married identical twin husbands. Yes, you heard that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I do love that. There was be a little bit
of a codependency problem, but I do love that story.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
You don't want to live with my sister and her
absolutely not. I don't want to live with anyone else
besides my wife and kids, and and you guys, we
barely made the cut. Let's there was an extensive process
to get to this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
But they married identical twins themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
I know that's not uncommon. Actually that happens often. That's
often enough that it's a thing. And they live to
because I think they can. I don't know if about
living together, but it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
I think they got mixed up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Okay, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Be older brother. Look not anymore. Okay, yes, not anymore.
Blust your brother's heart. But his hair is white now
well yeah, yeah, and Ben's on his way there. So shortly,
you guys will look exactly like again, watch your mouth.
But for a while they looked. I mean, obviously you

(01:15:24):
can tell the difference between twelve years apart. You guys are,
but you dressed similarly, and from like behind your guys's
body like shape and structure and everything is very similar.
There was several times that we've been hanging out as like,
and they don't live anywhere near here, so we don't
see them that often that I would walk in and
here's the thing. I love my husband, so like I

(01:15:45):
will grab Ben's bootie cheeks, I will like wrap my
arms around his waist from behind, it's not inappropriate. We're married,
and I know that. There's been several times I've walked
into a room and thinking for a second, like saying
hey babe, or like walking around a corner something, and

(01:16:05):
your brothers got us back to me and it looks
just like you for a second, and it freaks me
out every time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
We're not identical.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
No, he's okay. Anyone that has seen you and when
people meet you, what is the first thing they think, Oh,
you're so and So's brother. You guys, look you've been
You've been mixed up with him before from people that
like know you in social.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Situation in Idaho, Yeah, visiting my brother both both my
brothers live up there. Yeah, and I didn't grow up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
There, I know, so anyone's only known you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
And I meet people they know my brothers yea, and
they go, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm I'm so and
So's brothers. Like, yeah, we know you're you clearly look
yeah you look just like your brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
But but I was, you're identical twin brothers. So there's
no like I'm the better looking. But anyways, sorry, I
find this fascinating, all right, So they tell us they're
a merr image of each other. They have the same
medical history, they have the same eye correction. Do you

(01:17:18):
know what mere image twins are?

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
So they have they she said, like, my right eye
is my strong eye, left the girls my left eye,
and that is that is a real thing. Yeah, and
they have the same they have opposite cavities.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Just needed to let people, which makes me feel like,
then I feel little bit better about the fact, like
I have terrible teeth genetically, No, no, no, no, cavities.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Do not come because the genetics cavities come food.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Do if you have bad teeth, you have bad near cavities.
That that's not a thing. It is a thing, and
I will I actually feel better about myself. But thank you, Ben,
thank you so much for bringing me back down. I
really appreciate you know that that's something that makes me
so stressed. And I was like saying, goes to show
that this is genetics. Ben's like, no, no, it's food.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
We're trying to say that they have the same cavities
opposite from each other. I believe, I do believe that
that's some people's genetics and teeth are probably better than others.
But anyways, so why they tell us one is the sender,
one is a receiver. But and they tell us which

(01:18:33):
one is which, and I don't know, love.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Ben can't tell the party more. At this point, he's confused.
It's one of the two, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
So Leavelda tells us this story that she went on
a date and she was supposed to go into town
to get some coffee with this guy, and he misses
the turn. But he doesn't intentionally doesn't miss the turn.
It's like, don't worry, we're just going to go to
a quiet place where we can hang out. Well, Levelda
didn't like that. She gets scared, rightfully, so she should be.

(01:19:04):
And she says the man was getting irritated with her.
She says she kept moving closer to the passengers door
and he was getting upset with her, and all of
a sudden, bo the car goes off. They were on
a dirt road. Off the dirt road, and that Levana
is at home with her dad and says she gets

(01:19:26):
this vision and she goes to her dad, says, Dad,
call the police. Leavelda's in trouble, and he goes, I
don't know what you're talking about. You're crazy. So sure enough,
Lavella comes home. She had hit her head on the
dash and she says, see, Dad, I told you she
was in trouble. So he says, all right, Levelda, don't

(01:19:51):
say anything. Everyone get in the car and he makes
Lavanda take her who wasn't there but supposedly she had
a vision of things that happen, takes her and she
ends up directing her dad to write where the accident happened,
and Lavelda is like, yep, this is where it happened,

(01:20:12):
and he says, I'll never not believe you. So can
they communicate with each other the mere images of each other?

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yes? Did they marry twin husbands together? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
So why do these twins have the connections?

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
I don't know. They're raised medical mystery, medical mystery. Was
there any sort of like did you do it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
This is a thing? I mean technically I still study
nothing is solid. I mean, we really don't do. We
don't have any specific answers to why this is. Yeah,
but I mean here's is still a thing that is
said to have happened today, Yeah, amongst twins.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
And do you believe that it's a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
I do think that twins have a connection with each
other more than your standard siblings.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Your standard siblings, I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
I mean, we have twins.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
We have twins. We see their connection with They're.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Not identical, but I mean I grew them at the
exact same time. They've spent every moment of their lives
together up until this point. They shared a crib like
that has that Yeah, I just think there's something there
that will never understand.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Yeah, I mean, do I necessarily believe one is getting
a pain somewhere and the other one five hundred miles
away is getting the pain. I guess the question is
if that happens once, why is it not happening every time?

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
I don't know if I'm going.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
To be believing, and I will say they didn't say
that the twins, the twins who didn't grow up together,
didn't seem to share that experience, at least on the
ones that they featured, So I don't know. Maybe it
has something to do with with that they've spent more
time together. I don't know. Inasing, I can't speak to it.
I'm not a twin. I think you ask identical twins

(01:22:20):
and they're going to be able to tell you, Like,
how can I speak to it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
I'm not. Yeah, one I'm not an expert on it,
and two I'm not a twin.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
So even our twins sometimes have said things like, oh,
this is a twin thing, or they've felt something or
noticed something or understood something that and their boy and
girl like they not take it into the whole like
genetics of it. But they didn't even share the same
like they each had their own individual like birth sack.

(01:22:53):
I guess I don't know what else it's called, but
but they I mean, they've been together since the beginning
of their time, and I think that that's something that
you know, how do you study that? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Yeah, So I mean, yeah, like I said, I do
think it's a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Yeah, I think twins are fascinating. I was terrified to
find out we were having twins. Yes, it was not
on my bingo card for life, but it is something
I always have loved and found fascinating and so like
there was obviously two a part of me that was
excited to be able to experience that. So, I don't know,

(01:23:37):
if you're an identical twin, let us know, have you
ever had anything crazy like that that you can't explain?
Any other way. Okay, well, that is our recap of
season three, episode six. We will end the podcast with
once again me asking a silly question that Ben will
say he's not quite sure and I end up having

(01:23:58):
to go first. Anyways, So Ben, be in honor of
the fact that we are recording on August third, just
for the record, were a few weeks ahead. It is officially,
in my mind, the entrance of spooky season. We're here,
We've arrived. It's time for the weather to chill out.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Maybe not in August for me, in August. It's so
pretty well known fact that August is still warm in
Arizona everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
But I've already started adding a few of our spooky
decorations have kind of come out. What is your all time,
in your mind, the scariest movie you've ever seen? I
actually already know the answer to this one, My all.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Time scariest movie.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Yeah, or the movie that's scariest movie. They had like
the craziest effect on you. So it could have even
been a dumb scary movie, but you saw it at
an age where it was like God really stuck with me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Hmm, yeah, mister Brooks, I knew that one. Disturbed you,
It disturbed me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
So as a kid, rackingophobia, Yeah, that one was pretty
care I got over.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Have you seen that as an adult? No, I have
a feeling it's not going to be as Yeah, I
think it's not going to be as scary as an adult.
But we all hate spiders now because of that movie. Yeah,
I think generationally that had a profound effect on many
of us. Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Racophobia. As a kid, that one was terrifying. And I
saw a part of Anaconda when I was I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Have you always had a fear of snakes there?

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Always?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Okay? I always been terrified, So that doesn't help. So yeah,
I saw like Anticonda came out when we were teenagers,
didn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
We were young? We were like eight, nine, ten eleven
around that time, the one with I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
I don't know who's in it, but Jlo I think,
isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
I went to a friend's house and his dad was
watching it and I saw part of it. And she
out in ninety seven so we're twelve. Yeah, so yeah,
and j Loo is in it and LLL cool Jay,
I believe it's awesome. Yeah, Ice, No, sorry, ice Cube
ice Cube, Yeah, awesome. And Owen Wilson's in that movie.

(01:26:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
I've actually I've never seen that movie at all. I
ever want to see it fully, all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
All I can think of is my Ana Konda don't
want none unless you've got buns Hunt, I know, one
of the greatest rap songs ever to this day. The
movie that has disturbed me the most is Mister Brooks,
which is wow because Kevin Costner is the lead in
that right. Costner and Dane Cooker in it, So yeah,

(01:26:50):
two people you would not expect. But that movie was twisted.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
It's about if never seen it. Kevin Customers a serial.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Killer, like a highly organized dexter style almost I guess
it's not vigilante, but he's like very organic, but he's
like a well known promen. He's in Portland too, write
isn't it but the Northwest? And we were living in
Portland when we watched it. Yes, yeah, that's not a
freak me out, no, but it's very it takes a
little bit more close to home, tikes his victims at random,

(01:27:24):
and just the way it is. It's a very twisted,
dark movie. And then like yeah, dank Cooks spoilerler, I
guess if you haven't said, he like figures out that
he's this killer. He sees it, but he like enjoys
watching it and wants to learn how to do it.
It's a whole movie. So I don't even think i've

(01:27:45):
seen the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Twisted.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Yeah, I think I feel i've seen I know you did.
I fell asleep during the movie. Yeah, yeah, it's twisted.
And then you were like, I'm not watching it with
you never.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
I can never watch that movie ever again. I don't
never want to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Yeah again. Good, okay, all right, what about you see?
I did answer the first of all. Very good, Benjamin,
You're welcome. So the biggest one that had the like
the shining I watched probably too young, maybe junior high
age ish. That movie terrified me really, and now that yeah,

(01:28:23):
I've watched it older as an adult, I'm like, dude,
this movie. First off, it's three hours. It's way too long.
It drags on, it is so or it takes forever
to get to the point of it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
It takes forever for anything to happen, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
I mean, pretty typical for those that like seventies and
but it terrified me. But again, I was pretty young,
I will be honest. So I grew up in a
small town in southern Oregon where cel phone like no
someone's innings, but sorry, landlines and phones and stuff like
that didn't always work, and sometimes, like some of my
friends's houses were in the middle of like nowhere. And

(01:29:01):
when I watched the movie Scream, oh man, that movie
terrified me. I freaking love the screen movies now, but
that movie really scared me. But I want to say
the movie that scared me the most that we're like,
I don't know if I could watch it again for

(01:29:22):
a long time now. Was The Ring?

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Really?

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
That movie terrified me? It was so scary. And then
we've watched it in adulthood and we even let our so,
our thirteen year old son wanted to watch a scary
movie and I was like, oh, I've got the perfect
one for you, The Ring. Because he and his buddies
watched at our house. They were laughing, you guys, that

(01:29:48):
is how desensitized our youth are now. They watched The
Ring and laughed. I don't think I slept for days
after watching that movie. But I don't don't know. It's like,
I just love so many scary movies too, that those
are the ones that like really stand out, and then
zombie movies terrify me. Those I will say, when we

(01:30:10):
were first mayor or no, when we first had kids,
I started watching The Walking Dead. Yeah, the first season
of The Walking Dead, and I remember like watching it
and then like churning up because you were working through
the night. You were working the midnight shift, so I
was home alone and we had newborn kids. They went
to bed really early, so I was just up by

(01:30:31):
myself and I started watching this show and I remember
like turning off the lights to like go to bed
for the night and being and here I am, what
like twenty six years old or whatever, and I was like,
I'm genuinely scared, and I also know that zombies don't exist,

(01:30:53):
but every like that is the one like reoccurring nightmare
I have is zombie experiences and all like that scares
me the most. So i'd probably yeah, I don't know,
that didn't really super answer it. But zombie genres scare
me the most. But I also they're one of my
favorites to watch, Like I love I do like being scared,

(01:31:15):
haunted houses, everything, I know. I actually this year next
year want to drive over to Universal Studios because we're
not that far from it in the real world, six
seven hours from it. But I've heard that this year
they're haunted times, supposed to be insane. They're like scared,

(01:31:37):
they do like a whole haunted house, the whole markets,
haunted after night. It's supposed to be terrifying this year.
So I know, all right, everybody, that is our episode.
We will be back in your ear holes next week
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