Prison Love Story, Missing: Adam Hecht, Lisa Bishop Lost At Sea & Lost Treasurer.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everybody, I'm Sierra, I'm bad, and welcome back to
another episode of the Unsolved of both podcasts. For every
week we recap one of your original Dateway drugs in
a true.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Crime Unsolved Mysteries after Okay.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Has been said in our intro, this is an after
hours episode. So what exactly does that mean.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
It means it's late, it's past our bedtime.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
It means it might get a little silly goosey in here.
So we apologize in advance for anyone that is sticking
around listening to this, because, yeah, we're recording to episodes
in one day and it's nine o'clock at night here
in Arizona, which means we should have been in bed
thirty minutes ago. Yes, yeah, oh we're not We're no,

(01:05):
we're not here. We're here and we're in it. And
I just want everyone to know that as of tomorrow,
Ben and I will have officially been married for eighteen
years eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
One or four years. Best eighteen years of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, really, that's good. It's it's on my top five.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
For sure, top five. You've got it made in the
top five.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, it's been the best I do. Now that we
are raising teenagers, and you've come home and told me
a few experiences at work where guys will be like, oh,
you're married, that's school, Like how long have you been
married for? And you say almost eighteen years and there's
a lot of men that react kind of shocked by that.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
There's not a lot of guys that get married at
twenty two. Yeah, but you should.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
You should.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
It's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
You grew up together.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
We lived together with each other for the first time,
like after marriage, and yeah, I mean that's the best
way to describe it. Like we went to school together,
we grew up together, we worked jobs, odd jobs together,
we were poor together. Like we've been through a lot

(02:32):
of life experiences together, which is in turn made you
my best friend.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yep, that's been amazing. Yeah, so we get to celebrate
that tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
So yeah, when when Ben's made plans. So I'll report
back to you guys next week on how they went,
and we'll see we're already starting off a little rocky.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yes, just got to get up early.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I have to be up and ready to leave the
house by what time.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Hey, damn.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
So, yeah, we really need to get this episode recorded
so that I can get ready for bed, Come on
for you. It's not I told you. I'm not a
morning person. Eleven and I usually sleep nine. I'm an
afternoon delight girl.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
If I get six to seven, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I understand that my brain does not work that way. Okay,
we are recording. What are we not? We're not. We
are recording, yes, but we are recapping, is what I'm
looking for.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Five.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, and this is this is an interesting one. No,
no supernatural crazy stuff on this one, but some interesting stories. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I guess we had a few there in a row.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah. They kind of started off with a bang. Season
three was kind of a win on this one.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
No loss Love. Yeah right, so big.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
One lost Loves.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I haven't watched the next one, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I don't I haven't either, But we're going to try
to get that done too, because Ben's heading out of
town this weekend, so we've got to get here for
a couple of days. Yeah. So okay, Ben, anything else
you want to share with the people, all right, So
you are getting us started with your first one. Ben

(04:26):
does not have his notebook open.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
No, I don't, but I have a pencil right here.
In the spot I needed to be.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
My goodness, look at how prepared you are. You are
a professional.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I am a professional person that has notes. I won't
say a podcaster, because that who who calls himself who
does this and then calls themselves.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
That professional podcasters? Yeah, we are professional podcasters. We have
a legitimate podcast.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yes we are you ready?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes? I'm ready for store?

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yep? Are we get introduced to Beverly Hills? Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
And everybody get ready for your job to be on
the floor? Ben? Yeah, First fact off the top, it's.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
A very affluent neighborhood of California.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
If you don't know that nine O two one oh
very famous zip code.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
And the median income, mind you, this aired in nineteen
ninety okay, yep.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Which for most of us doesn't feel like that long ago,
even though maybe it really is.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
But the median income in Beverly Hills in nineteen ninety
was seventy five thousand dollars. You heard that. You heard
that right?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Did you adjust it for inflation?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
No? Okay, But here's the thing I guess. I mean
this is actually less than three times. So you're looking
at like.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I don't think that I don't think that the numbers
are going to match up like we.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Think two hundred thousand. So find out what seventy five thousand.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Adjust what year was this, nineteen ninety yep.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Adjust that for inflation, and then find out what the
mediumation now seventy five thousand. All right, well you do that.
I'm going to continue telling us o story.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
So Roberts, I undred and eighty five thousand dollars, that's
which right now, I am ninety eight percent sure is
considered like just above, like.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I don't even think anyone can survive anywhere in California.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Okay, So that's what I was when you told me
this fact. My jaw was on the floor because in
nineteen ninety you can make equivalent to what you could
make as one hundred and eighty five thousand dollars a day,
and you were wealthy enough.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
You were living in Beverly Hill.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
To live in, which means if you lived anywhere else
basically in.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
America, you were really well.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
You were doing very well, which is another podcast for
another day as to why life sucks right now in
so many ways. Okay, but I'm also going to look
up you keep to I'll look up the average income
for Beverly Hills right now.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
So Robert Stick tells us, it's a you know, a
lot of affluent people. But you know what else? Is
there a homeless problem? So and with them, he introduces
us to a man by the name of Adam Hecht
hect hc HD hecht Hecht. And he was a well

(07:30):
to do kid. He was twenty four in the winter
of nineteen eighty nine. He grew up in a very
wealthy family. He was the son of a film producer,
it's all they tell us. And he made a living.
Let me just throw this out there. He made a

(07:51):
living giving tennis lust.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Okay, I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
The average household income currently in Beverly Hills, California. It
is one hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars. How is
that possible? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't know if I believe that.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Do you know what a house cost in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I don't. I don't know. I've never looked because I
don't intend on moving there ever. Sorry, California. All right,
So he gave tennis lessons to make a living.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I can I do tennis lessons and I live in
Beverly Hills. What world?

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, exactly all right, but we learned on January tenth,
nineteen eighty nine, Adam's going out to the breakfast with
his brother Harold. Harold, Yeah. And as they're going in
to this breakfast and Arbostack uses this term at a local.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Dela Oh, delicatessa. I love of a delicatessa, delicate, delicate,
It's one of my favorite places.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
What is that? It's like I've never I've never heard
that one.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
So in Portland, Oregon, when we lived there, there was
a place called Elephant Delicatestant. It was one of my
favorite places. It is like a high end deli. We've
eaten Adam in New York. So it's like sandwiches and pasta,
salads and bakery items and pastries. It's all of the
things that I love cashowdery boards, cheeses, and nis.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
It sounds terrible if I'm going to breakfast, so.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
A breakfast place like this is going to be pastries, coffee,
I want gravy, maybe total bagels with shmear and all
of that.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Anyway, if you're going to a local delicate, I will.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Say the reenactment was not a delicate testant. It looked
at it looked like just a I would call that
a diner.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
And I'm all for a diner, a good breakfast diner. Okay.
So as they're going in, they see a man by
the door, a homeless man, and he actually he appeared
to be blind in one eye. So as they're having breakfast,
Adam says, hey, man, hold on a second, and he

(10:23):
goes out and he starts talking to this homeless man.
Comes back in, sits down, and Harold it's like, what
was that all about?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Man, He's like, well, it was nothing. And Harold says,
and I quote, he just couldn't understand his reasons for
being out there, but he went out there.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
And Ben told me I had to keep my mouth.
My opinion is minimal to this, okay, continue, So the
audacity to get on television and talk about somebody that ways,
and to me, it's a human being. So I can't
even understand why he was out there talking to this person.

(11:07):
I don't know, because he was being nice. Harold, Okay,
you good, I'm good, all right.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
So we as they leave, Harold says, he left, and
as he's leaving, he turns and sees that Adam's back
at it talking to this guy. We've come to find
out he met this guy and his name is Tony.
So him and Tony start to become friends, and soon

(11:40):
after Tony moves into the apartment with Adam. All right, so.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
And his family thought this was such a kind act.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, they tell us they're not quite understanding, but they're
here to support their son and brother. And so then
we get Adam's mom. She gets interviewed the original Karen No,
that's so. She tells us a story that Adam brought

(12:12):
Tony over one time for for luck for dinner. Right,
so he shows up and she proceeds to tell us
she was clearly caught off cow by surprise. Wasn't expecting
Tony to come, didn't know he was coming, And she says,

(12:34):
when she meets him, you know, he seemed a little odd.
She did say this quote.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I should then tell us what she said about this man.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
My goodness, the smell it was unbelievable. Wow, it was scary,
That's what she said. And then she tells us as
they're eating, he does this weird thing where he's like
waving his hands over the meal and she doesn't understand it,

(13:08):
and Adam pretty much says, that's just how Tony is,
you know. So but they say, you know, Tony was
helping Adam mature as a person. That was one of
their quotes. Whatever that means. They don't explain that, but
it was all right next page of my notes, are
you ready? So as they got to know each other

(13:30):
and hang out, they find out that Adam was visiting
skid Row with Tony and he was trying to help.
He was bringing food, he was trying to serve that community.
So anyways, they find out too that they were doing
weird rituals. Supposedly where I guess Adam showed up at

(13:54):
his mom's house and he had a severe burn on
his hand and he was learning, like Tony was teaching
him a lesson of endurance of holding the hand over
a candle. Supposedly. Mind, you were getting this story from
his mother, and that's all we're told. In mind, that's
all we're told on the story. So there's not a

(14:16):
lot of explanation on that. Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
She seems to paint it hers her husband that her
son was in perfect mental health until he met this guy.
And then started making weird choices that we don't get
any background on anything else.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
All right, June tenth, So then now has been going.
Then he met Tony in January, so we're almost a
six months yeah, all right, June tenth, nineteen eighty nine.
No one has heard from Adam for a little while,
and his brother goes to the apartment to try to

(14:56):
find him, and Adam is missing, but Tony's there and
he won't really let him in.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Did you tell Tony is blind?

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I say blind in one eye.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, blind in one eye.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
I think I was blind in both. No, okay, just
one eye. Actually saw a picture of Tony, okay, real picture.
So yeah, so Tony answers he doesn't really let his
brother in, and he's being weird. So a few days later,
the mom shows up. She gets in and she's searching

(15:32):
the apartment for her son. She says, she has a
weird interaction with Tony. Yeah, he tries to kiss her.
He like grabs her and says, gives me.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
A kiss, just give me weird.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, that is weird, And she says, I just I'm
just looking for my son, and Tony then says to her,
I'm your son. So clearly there's some mental health problems
going on here. Yeah, it would appear. Yes, here's the
best part. Okay, So now Tony is missing, not Tony,
I'm sorry, Adam is missing.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Adam is missing. Tony is living in adams Adam's apartment,
which he had been living there, yes, for a while,
for a while, for months. Okay, but Robert Stack throws
this little nugget in without any explanation. Okay, and if
you weren't paying attention, you could have missed it. It

(16:29):
really could have gone under the radar, he says. Under
the advice of a private investigator, the family finally contacts
the Beverly Hills Police and files a missing person report.

(16:50):
I did hear that, which I thought was odd.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Weeks have gone by where they have not found their son.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Or brother context the police.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
First, that is a great question, wonderful question that we
never get an answer for.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
So my first assumption was they knew something about this
so that they didn't want the public to know about it.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
We're I'm gonna get in Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Seriously, I haven't done any research on this, so I
don't know, but that was my first sort of like.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
That's So on July ninth, mind you, the brother noticed
he hadn't heard from his brother in a few days
on June tenth. So a month goes by and Tony
is evicted out of the apartment, and that is, technically,
according to Unsolved Mysteries, the first time the police talked

(17:47):
to Tony, Yeah, they a victim, and they question him.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
At the apartment. It appears yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
And the police do not believe that Tony has anything
to do with his disappearance, so they let him go.
The mother comes back, and.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
How did the mother react to this?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Not good? She thinks that they should have interrogated him harder.
She then proceeds to make a statement of I just
wish they had some type of drug. She then says
a truth serum.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
She wanted is the police to give this man some
sort of truth serum which I don't even maybe that's
real thing, maybe it's not, it's not and him to
say what she wanted him to say.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
She thinks that Tony knows something, and here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Maybe he does, yeah, but what does the police have.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
So anyways, she thinks there's a true serumount that they
should give to Tony, and they should question him, and
so they say a month after his disappearance. They don't
specify when exactly, but because here's the thing, the family
waited a long time to actually file a missing person as.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
We actually don't know the last day he was seen.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
So his car was found, It had the keys in
the ignition, had multiple parking tickets on the windshield. I
tried to find out when, like the original parking ticket was.
I'm sure the police know, but couldn't find that. His
keys are in the agnition. His wallet was in the
seat with six hundred dollars cash in there and his

(19:31):
id's nuts, and it just was left there for weeks
on end. So we get an interview by a detective.
I'm really confused by this. He just says, listen, where
can't we're investigating this as a missing persons. We have
no real evidence of foul play or criminal involvement. Kind

(19:53):
of curious how they came to that conclusion. So they're
looking for him, but they're just looking for him as
a missing person. Okay, So that's where unsolved mysteries leaves us. Okay,
update update never found. Seriously, still to this day, never found, will.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Not feel a little bad forgiving that mama hard time.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
She was she's still, at least from a few years ago,
still alive. She's in her eighties. So there's actually a
blog out there, lost and Found, and I read it.
He does a long article on this. He actually has
talked to the brother Harold multiple times. They're still looking

(20:39):
for him. They've actually Tony's still living on the street
as of twenty twenty four, holy cow or so twenty nineteen, Actually, no,
twenty twenty four. Harold actually saw Tony on the street,
got out, talked to him, took a picture of with

(21:00):
them like and I will say, according to this guy's blog, Okay,
the family does think that there there's that he ran away.
That's really the assumption going on.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
So do they not think that Tony.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
There's more to the story. Okay, I will say, there's
not a lot out there, but there was more to Adam.
He was struggling with he was volunteering at the mission,
he was really getting involved in the homeless life, and
he was struggling. I guess he'd had a conversation with
his brother about his purpose life and that's actually why

(21:43):
his brother was looking for him. A few days later,
they kind of had a serious conversation, and he seemed
a little downtrodden.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
You know, he's struggling with the fact that hit what
he was a wealthy nepotism.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
They don't say exactly, and so they are kind of
the impression that he just kind of walked away and
then possibly.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Took his own life or even that or just you.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Know, when you live in that world, a lot of
bad things happen. You know. Yeah, it's hard to survive
if you're not used to that world, it's hard to
survive in it. Yeah, so a huge possibility, but it's
the endless amounts. Beverly Hills Police I found their thing.
They still have this as an open missing person's case,

(22:33):
so obviously there's not a lot. But Tony is still
not a suspect. But he'd been seen multiple times after
he was literally seeing I saw. I said on that
blog that he actually posts a picture of Tony like
standing out. You can see that he's he's blinding one
eye and he's still appears to be streaming on the
street thirty something years later. Insane got to be pretty

(22:56):
tough to be able to, kidding make it out there
for that long. So but yes, there aren't officially no updates. Okay,
it is hard for me to believe that he just
decided to walk away. I do. I am a little
bothered that the police department are like, yeah, we don't

(23:16):
think any foul play. It's like, how do you know
if you haven't investigated, you haven't really dug in and
that I am we.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Have no timeline, no nothing. That's usually would think the
police at their minimum would try to be like, hey,
when was the last known sighting of him being alive?
Who was the last person with him? Like just kind
of those are usually your foundations that even like yeah,
and the true crime world that we know the timelines

(23:45):
like that stuff publicly available at least want Yeah, and
they didn't really try to nail any.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Of that down at least help.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
That they didn't have any of that truth here I'm
sitting around.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah. At least however, and here's the thing about his
family there so actively looking for them. They still have hope.
But I don't know, you know what, It is a
strange one because I do have a problem with them
just chalking it up as hey, I think you just
ran away. I understand that people do run away, but

(24:17):
they don't just run away and stay run away.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, we heard that story about that lady that ran away, but.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
That is the exception, it's not the rule. Yeah, And
so what I'm saying is I don't like you just
pegging something as the exception and being okay with that.
You should investigate it and dig deep into that, because yes,
it can be the exception. But the rule usually is
people you.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Do eliminate a lot before you get there.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
People don't usually do that, and maybe if you think
they did, you should still eliminate everything else before you
come to that conclusion. And maybe they did and they
just haven't put it out there. So because we don't
really know what they know, it is clear to me
there was more going on from January till June even

(25:10):
that the family knew, and they just didn't put it out.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
There, which tracks with the timeframe, right, we don't we
I was gonna The talk around mental health crisis is
kind of still a newer thing that people are openly discussing,
and I imagine even more so in affluent, high wealth neighborhoods.

(25:35):
Keeping up with the Joneses, YadA YadA, YadA, right, Like
there's no way shape or form, and that's I will say,
I did struggle with this because you have these very
posh I mean, the mom's accent is not it sounds
like just money. Like her accent is not like pegged,

(25:57):
like she didn't have English act. It just sounds very posh,
basically like being so disrespectful and like blaming everything on
this homeless man.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
But I do understand this guy is the last person
to see in live. He's living in his apartment. He
say what you want, but yeah, you know, people in
that can be unpredictable. Yeah, I don't know what I'm
saying is.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
But they didn't give the full story before they did that.
It wasn't like, hey, our son was struggling already with
an identity crisis and maybe some mental health issues, and
unfortunately coming into contact with this person seemed to stem though.
You know, everyone can come into contact with people, especially

(26:46):
if you're in a bad way. That our asturbate what
you already are dealing with. That's a different conversation. But yeah,
they chose to like, we don't want you to look
over here, only over here. That's a disadvantage.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
If you notice his sister is interviewed at the end,
and she says something in particular, she says something like
Adam just we didn't quite understand where Adam was coming from,
and he wanted us to see things. It was clear
that they knew more, and Adam had multiple conversations with
his family about deeper things and maybe something. This guy

(27:23):
was clearly seeking out more of a purpose in life,
and I respect that. Unfortunately, maybe he just let that
go because they do. I did read that he was
They said he was hanging out in skid row. He
wasn't just hanging out like he was going down there,
and he really was.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Like trying to immerse himself into that, not just.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
At giving things. He was bringing food like he was
bringing supplies. He was really trying to do something in
that community.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
He probably wanted his family to support that or to
also maybe take some ownership that we have a responsibility
to get it back, and if they weren't willing to
listen to that, he might have decided, like, you're not
my people then, and that's that's not fair to his family.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
But I think it's all speculation. As of right now,
we don't know it.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
We just don't think that he walked away and that
several years later, he didn't reach out and say I
don't want to have a relationship with you guys, but
I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
And that's I will say, this is the mystery of it.
Even if he did walk away, for him to never
try to make contact again for thirty something years. Yeah,
And so then the question is what did something happen?
But then for something to ever come up and say, hey,
we we found.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Something, we need a body, yes, yeah, or foul.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Play that to that never surface either. It is strange
that on both sides, one he just literally did walk
away never came back, or two he walked away something
bad happened and still nothing ever came up, and that, yeah,
that is a mystery.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Interesting. Okay, Well I have got another mystery for you.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's weird too.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah. So this is about a girl named Lisa Lynn Bishop.
And I will say that there are other victims of
this story. I do not have their names or their
information because they are not American citizens. Interesting, and I

(29:28):
don't know how much of investigation have been has been
done for the other people involved in the story, which
it'll make sense here in a little bit. So I'll
try to explain as much as I can as we
go through it. But the main focus is this Lisa girl.
So we're going to start with a ship. You know

(29:49):
how I feel about boats and the ocean. That's a
different ship. I'd probably get on the Black Girl, that's
my problem, but I would have not gotten on this ship.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
If you say, pictures of this show.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
It is not work. Yeah, this is this looks like
a tetnas shot waiting to happen.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah. So the Freedom was an eighty two foot tramp freighter,
which to me like that that's describes it right there.
It's a tramp freighter. It looks like a garbage dump
in the ocean. It carried an twenty eight year old
and twenty eight year old. It was captained by twenty

(30:32):
eight year old Florine Meyer Borch and twenty three year
old journalism student Elisa Bishop was on board along with
the crew of seven patians. Those are the people that
are also part of potentially victims in this case that

(30:53):
I don't have any information. I tried to see if
there was names or anything. I have nothing.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
So Lisa was planning on writing a story about World
Bank and the economic crisis and contrast between the United
States and Haiti. So we're shown on Unsolved Mysteries some
kind of b roll footage of the Caribbeans and the
Florida Keys and then quick cut to Haiti. It is

(31:24):
a stark contrast, and it is something that was important
to Lisa. She was wanting to be a journalism and
this was a story she was very interested in. So
we're gonna go back a little bit. Lisa met Meyer
Borch at the Metroplex club in Atlanta, Georgia, which was

(31:48):
actually owned by Paul, her boyfriend, who she had been
with for three years. Okay, all they say in Unsolved
Mysteries is that they had a troubled relationship. I tried
to look and see if there was any report.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I interviewed the boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, and he seems to be older than her.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
How old was she?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Mmmm?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
She was twenty three. She's young, and she worked at
the club. She worked at his nightclub, and they've been
dating for three years, which means they met when she
was twenty.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I mean she probably was in that club when she
shouldn't have been, probably twenty one.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, exactly. I tried to see, like I said, if
there was anything out there about what because troubled could
mean so many things, and not all thefarious, right say, I.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Think a lot of people are going to go to
one conclusion.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
But until you tell you something, I don't have any
more information on that. But I do think it is
interesting that even though he's interviewed, Robert Stack still tells
us that they had a troubled relationship. His name was
Paul Okay, and Lisa worked there as the manager of
the bar meyer Is. The captain of the ship, told

(33:16):
Lisa about a trip around the Caribbean Titi and asked
her if she was interested in coming. She accepted, okay.
I will say also, I in my research and I
think even on our solf histories, they had known each other.

(33:39):
These two had known each other. I think for close
to a year. This wasn't just like they met two
weeks ago and he's like, Hey, I've got.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
A boat, got a boat out back.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
And I'm taking it out to see I heard that
you were interested. They had formed some kind of friendship
at least, even if it was just casual that he
knew what she was interested in writing about, and he
was very he was good looking according to the standard

(34:12):
of the time. I had this long flowy hair. Her
boyfriend looked like Hould Cogan's hair. Do you know what
I'm talking about? It was different, bald on the top,
but long, stringy hair.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
I like it. I'm here for it on the side. Question, Yeah,
would you ever sail on a ship like for days
or weeks? Is that something that you can be interested in?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
My mindset of beings. Here's the problem. By the time
I was twenty three years old, I was living a
very different lifestyle than Lisa was fair right, Yeah. I
lived in San Diego when I was eighteen years old,
so I get that I was a little bit younger
than she is. If you had asked me at eighteen

(35:02):
to hop on a boat and go on an adventure,
yeah I would have gone. Then. There are several times
that I had got in back of strangers cars and
went on adventures and did things with people when I
was on vacation, in random things. My friend Crystal listens
to this, She'll know exactly what major incident that it's
amazing people. So we got into a stranger's car in

(35:25):
Hawaii to hike up to on a mountain. So yeah,
I would have done this, especially if it was someone
that I had known for like almost a year now,
and you're telling me I get to go do something,
especially not to you know, call out twenty something year
old white girls, but they love to show up to

(35:48):
these kinds of things. I'm like, look at me, I'm
a journalist. I'm gonna I'm going to be the white
savior show the world what's happening and hating. Now I'm
going to be the reason things get sot right, and
I'm gonna. I'm not surprised, And I'm not saying that
Lisa was bad in thinking that, but it is like,

(36:09):
I'm not surprised at all, and it's free right. And
from my understanding, he's like, Hey, I'm already going down there.
Do you want to come hop on? Would you get
on a boat?

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Now, I'm a big boat guy, Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Let's anywhere. Someone was like, hey, Ben, I.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Mean the ocean is it's a scary thing.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah. Fair.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
If you asked me to go to the ocean, you need.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
To be in the mindset of a twenty year old.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah. I've been always been a pretty reasonable guy in
my mind. I'm just saying the thought of like being
out in the ocean for days on them where you
cannot see. It all looks the same in every direction.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
I think that well, I will be honest. I also
like my comfort, so I think in my mind someone
was like, let's get on this boat, and then I
showed up and saw this boat.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, this boat is.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
I think I probably would have backed out at that moment.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
What's it? It just looks like it looks like it's
it's kept together by da Day.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yes, like I said, it looks like you need a
TETNA shot.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
All right, sorry, I got it's distract.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, okay. So Meyer asks this girl Lisa if she'd
like to come. She says yes. Paul the boyfriend is
very upset, to the point that he calls her parents
and tattlely tails on her.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
It's an interesting relationship.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yes, So he calls mommy and daddy and says Lisa's
going to do this, and they all three gang up
on her and try to talk her out of this, which,
if I've learned anything, never works.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
It just means they're going to do exactly what you
asked them.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, if you she's probably been like super excited, such
a great idea. Yeah, let's get you vaccinated for everything,
and here, I'm gonna get you a water filter because
the rust is going to be coming out. Like she
might have reconsidered her decisions, but yeah, she doubles it
down to the point where she like calls her family

(38:19):
the day she's leaving and is like, i'll give you
a call when I get there by. So they set
sail Miami two thirty on December seventeenth, nineteen eighty eight.
They were supposed to arrive in Haiti by Christmas Day.

(38:40):
Christmas Day comes and goes, and Lisa has not checked
in with her parents or her boyfriend. They grow concerned,
as one should.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Can you even call them boyfriend and girlfriend? At this point?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, it seems as if she was okay, I don't
think no, yeah, I yeah, that's a different theory for
another day. But I think there was a part of
her that was like, maybe if I leave, then I
can end this relationship. So they, along with the other
crew members, start to contact the United States Coast Guard

(39:19):
and the instantly it appears that the Coastguard takes this
serious and starts, this is a freightership, this is not
a little boat. How long did I say it was?

Speaker 3 (39:30):
It's not that long.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Eighty two feet. Okay, it's a big boat. A bigger boat.
Coryndobin is not that big. I say eighty two.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
When you say freighter, freighter is mad.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
What I'm saying is you would see it if you were.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Flying over carrying garbage.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It is carrying garbage. It reminds me of the people
driving down to Mexico. We live in the We live
in a southern so we live in a border town
and it's it's very popular to come up and get garbage.
People leave on the side of their road and stack
gets so high that you are terrified with Yeah that

(40:10):
it's like spinal destination to anytime you're on the Freuway
behind what are these guys? Because it looks like it's
just being tied together with shoe string is and they
take it down to Mexico and they sell it. Right,
I'm sure it's a great business because they're getting it
for free and taking it down there. That's what this
looks like. There is bicycles and mattresses and washing machines

(40:32):
and refrigerators. It's literally junk. They're taking it down to
Haiti to sell it. So it's not hard. I mean,
the ocean is vast, we've established that. But they attempt
to surf. There's not There's only several routes that they

(40:52):
can take because between Florida and the Caribbeans, this is
your with a smaller section. They find nothing, no distress call,
no nothing, and it's just do you think.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
It is?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
It was in the Bermuda Triangle.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Another victim, another victim.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
They could be in a different times. Are different times,
so they could have gone through a wormhole another dimension. Yeah,
another dimension. So several days of searching, nothing is found.
At that point, the search is semi called off. There's
only so much that they can do that now they're
just kind of waiting.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
You have no idea where this thing.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Is or which, and they're just kind of waiting to
see what happens.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
You kind of have to at this point.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah. So April nineteen eighty nine and underwater scavenger salvager,
not a scavenger that's like a crab. A salvager named
Bob read an article about this boat and realized that
he had actually seen this ship in Georgetown Harbor in

(42:04):
the Grand Cayman Islands. I'd love to go there someday,
over five hundred miles away from Haiti in two weeks
after being reported missing. It's unknown where the ship went
after Bob's siding, but of course it gives hope that
Lisa is still alive. In May of nineteen eighty nine,

(42:25):
Paul and Bob go to the Grand Caymans and found
that Floridian, the German guy what and the captain was
reported to be seen alive around the time of the
siding from the underwater salvage guy. He was in the

(42:45):
company of an unidentified man. When Paul returns to Miami,
he visits a woman who had been storing Meyer Birch's
personal belongings. The women suggest that the man seen Paul's
the boyfriend. The dad is interviewed, but he it says

(43:06):
that the mom and the boyfriend went on all these
adventures together.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
So she says that the man likely with them was
named Philippe from Haiti who had also chartered the Freedom
with her friend, that she was holding his stuff for,
and that it was possible that these men were involved
in smuggling operations. I'm guessing and maybe you can give

(43:37):
some more insight to this. There's quite a bit of
smuggling that happens between Florida and the Caribbeans, and also
we have to remember what other country is down there, Cuba, Cuba,
and I don't think Cuba and US have the greatest
relationship esventually in the eighties sort at one time, I

(44:02):
tried to take a cruise and I wanted to go
down to Cuba, and you were like, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Not not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Me and my girlfriend wanted to go down there with
no husband's, no boyfriends, no men. And there was a
cruise ship at the time offering where you were far
enough off that you weren't like Cuba sarbor, but you
could go spend the day in Cuba and then be
back on the ship at night. And I thought that

(44:30):
sounds like a win win situation. Cuba looks a beautiful
but ben British foot and said, no, I wasn't allowed
to go to Cuba by myself.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
I know, I know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Okay. So here's where we are. We've got a ship
that's gone missing. It's got to with a twenty.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Three year old girl on it, with a captain from Germany.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
He's from Germany kind of was known. They said it
was a modern a gypsy and acute.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Uh A crew from the Dominican Republic.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
And hate yeah haiti like all of that.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Then the ship supposedly was seen in the Cayman Islands,
five hundred miles away. I think he does say that.
He says the reason he understand.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
That it is a very distinct name.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
It's the Freedom. And he made a joke to his buddy.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
It's like that they couldn't spell the words spelled freedom correctly. Yeah,
so I'm fair, right, I believe him, Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah, I believe he saw what he said he saw. Yeah,
he saw something that he saw, and.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
That's kind of where we are. There was no distress call,
but there's been up en to that point, no sidy,
They never found anything, nothing verified at all.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
There's no Yeah, they've got nothing to go nothing. They're
just going off speculation and people saying they.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
See just kind of throwing stuff out of dark barn
and seeing what.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
This girl is missing. Yeah, and their parents water back. Fair.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, and that's where unsolved Mysteries leaves us.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
All right, give me an update. I didn't do any
requests on this.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I am, and I hope it's good. Unsolved, Come on, lady.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I know there have been several reported sightings of the
freedown over the years. However none of these have ever been.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Confirmed, never panned out.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Family members of the Haitian crew were interviewed and have
actually stated and reported that they have not heard from
their family members that were on that boat since nineteen
eighty eight. So no one has been seen confirmed scene.

(46:46):
And I found this on a reader board on what
It Like there. It might even been saying there's like
a full like missing person's blog has a huge amount
of information on it and it has all these found
it might be the loss of it has a bunch
of information about this case. And this was a post

(47:07):
on there. I'm going to read it to you take
from it what you were. March twenty twenty, I have
been in contact with Lisa's Lisa Bishop's boyfriend at the time, Paul.
He helpfully has cleared up a few points of interest.
Floridian uh Borch's real name was that he was originally

(47:32):
from Hennesburg, and it was Floridian Meyer Borchett, not Borch
like et at the end, originally from Hamsburg, which I'm
guessing is that where the Hamburger came from.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I have no idea, and I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Paul was able to establish contact with his parents as well.
Neither of his parents or any of his acquaintances have
heard from him since nineteen eighty eight as well. He's
missing at the same time.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
The ship went down.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yes, that is the theory that the ship went down.
That's one of the theories. That's one of the theories
that the ship went down.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
I think that's logically.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
It's been seen.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
No its.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
The woman of whom Floridian stored his possessions with was
merely an acquaintance, perhaps a side piece that he hooked
up with every once in a while. Okay. The questioning
of whether the involvement they were involved was smuggling was
mostly conjecture on her behalf, So that's important to know.

(48:51):
The most recent sighting of the Freedom came as recent
as about three or four years ago from a member
of the navy who spotted the ship. It appears that
there had been paint but the thing about these chips
is when they're painted over, you can still see yea

(49:11):
the like underneath it, and it had been changed still
was like free something. And this is from a member
of the navy who could see the word freedom underneath it.
I'm just telling you what they have. The Haitian woman, yeah,
this is from that blog. The Haitian woman whose name
the boat was actually registered in was living in Miami

(49:33):
has now passed away, and Paul also spoke to the
families of all the Haitian crew members too. They've also
never been accounted for. Paul is also searched in Vain
for a white boat said to be used to like
travel between the islands by some of these people. That's

(49:55):
what's there. Do you want to know my theory? Yes, okay,
I honestly don't think that it sank. What I do
think likely happened because we are in the eighties and nineties.
I think that they were pirated. I think it's very possible.

(50:16):
That's why the ship was possibly seen again by in
the Grand Caymans. Was that you only had a handful
of Haitians on board, a young white American girl and
a German guy who was maybe kind of a captain.
Didn't really have any credentials or anything like that. I

(50:37):
think it's possible they were an easy target. It's one
of them, and that they went on there. It was
known at the time. I read in several other reports
that there was a handful of ships that had been boarded.
The entire crew would be killed. They'd use that for
a few smuggling runs, and then they junk the junk

(50:57):
the ship.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, it's very it's really probably only one or two. Yeah,
it's because.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
There was no distress call ever made the ship.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Went down or they were powered.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, there was no reports of bad weather that day
and there was no distress call. Not that that always
has to happen every time, but it does make me
wonder if the other possibility.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
And I also saw that. I also saw pictures of
that ship. Yeah, it's possible that Sucker can go down
at any time.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, it was it was rusty.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
I agree with you. I think that is definitely possibility.
What I'm saying is clearly we don't know we're throwing
out guests this year. But really, with all these people,
it's just it is illogical. It doesn't add up that
they just decided to run away and all ties and
they're just living in this they're just.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Atment breaks for this family like and to not have
an answer on what happened, because I will say again
there was another thing that I read that in these islands,
blonde women at the time were like the most sought
after for as far as human trafficking goes. Is it

(52:15):
possible that someone boarded that ship and saw her as
a commodity and killed everybody else and she's been Yeah,
it's possible because we have no other way to eliminate it.
And again then that gives a family some sort of
hope that maybe they will find her someday. Yeah, I
don't know. So all right, while you're looking up your thing,

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And also nowhere did I mention anything about Australia.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I know, but I just want them to know that,
I say.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
And I will say I did. Look today, I think
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Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah. So the United Kingdom won out, but Finland came
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You can be in second place.

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Next.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
No one's going to beat America obviously, and then in
third place we've got Kannada and then in fourth place
Australia and unfortunately South Korea has slipped to fifth place.
So okay, all right, I'm.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Gonna give a stequid. Yeah right, Treasure.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Hunt, all right, give it to us quick, all right.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Treasure Hunt. April nineteen forty five. World War two is ending,
all right, supposedly we learn at the end of the war,
we're finding out that Nazis has gone around and pretty
much pillaged everybody and stole everything, which.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
That's fact, right, yes, yeah, that is true. That is
we know that to be true. Yeah, the art work,
all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
I found gold bars, like yeah, in a some type
of whatever area.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah, but we.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Find out that there was supposedly a treasure smuggled that
of Dakau, one of the concentration camps, and it's a
multimillion dollar treasure made up of everything they'd stolen taken from.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Did they say what I think they did?

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah, okay, yeah that they it included gold fillings.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah that I was like, yeah, it's pretty These people
are human dumpsters.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yeah, so we hear this is brought to them or
the person looking for this gold is doctor Edward Gregor.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Did you catch at the n Y he said he
was looking for this. Yeah, okay, we'll get to.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Yeah, I did. He tells us he hears this story
when he was in the military station in Austria in
the fifties, that the story was told to him by
an Austrian physician named Wilhelm Gross, who the story was

(57:43):
told to him by an s S officer. Okay, so
as this officer told Gross, who then told Gregor Gross,
we got a lot of telephone going on here.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
And how successful is thinking of telephone?

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Usually not good? Yeah, So he tells the story that
four boxes of golden treasure were loaded up into some
cars and driven out of Daco and that made up
of gold bars, jewelry, all that stuff. They I don't
know where they get this from because they never see
this treasure. But Robot Stack says, supposedly this treasure could

(58:22):
be worth up to fifty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Yeah. I was like, okay, Robert.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
But and they he said so, and this doesn't make
any sense. But supposedly the SS officer that told Gross
was one of the four guys that smuggled it out
of Daco. Okay, Okay, So they smuggle it out, put

(58:50):
it in cars, they drive it to a lake in Austria. Okay.
The lunars a it's on the border of Switzerland. They
take this treasure and they bury it, I know. And
then they split up and they say, hey, listen.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
We're going to go that way. I will go this way.
Nobody come back here.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
And they say they buried it. There was a hut
and a like a brook a brook wall.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
You know, a brook wall or a brick wall.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Whatever, it's all the same. It's getting late, okay, and
they bury it has gone off the ricks. Yeah, they
bury it halfway between these two Okay, okay, what why?
This is my question. You guys are making a run,

(59:46):
take it with me. Why do you not take it?
Why do you feel the need to stop and say, hey,
let's bury it in the ground. And then that is the.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Same question I have for every single stupid buried treasure
story we have. Who is the idiot? Originally the thought,
I've got all of this money in gold, treasured and jewels.
You know what I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Do, bury it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I'm gonna bury it. You're obviously already not good people.
You're Nazis.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
He then says they separated and went their own ways
to then I am quoting return one day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, why I don't know, just take it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Then, so three of them crossed the border, and when Switzerland,
one went down the mountains.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Okay, this is gonna be me just asking, is Switzerland
bless your hearts, love your chocolate, and your mountains and
your long horns that you blow in the mountains and
your goats. Were they neutral during World War two? Do
you know? Because famously historically Switzerland is not like they

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stay out of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I mean, pretty much all of Europe was engulfed in
this war. They say the reason they went to Austria
in that area was because the Allies hadn't really made
it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Watch Sound of Music.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
And this is April ninety four. They're all making the
rush for Berlin at this time, okay, Russia and America
and that they we're actually that's we're all heading to
towards Berlin as fast as possible. So we're not I though, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Was really trying to get to Switzerland because Switzerland was
considered like neutral ground for them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I don't know why. Okay, to Switzerland, right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
That was just me wanting to know if so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
They three guys had to Switzerland. One goes down the
mountain to be with his family, and they say the
rumor is that that one that went down the mountain
is captured, and that is the guy that tells doctor
gross gross. Yeah. So that's supposedly where the story then

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comes from.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Okay, okay, so the one guy that got shirt is
like spilling the beans, and the three other guys like, great,
we've got one less person to share this treasure with.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah. So shortly after, like nineteen fifty two, there's a
dam built at that lake, so the water level raises,
so supposedly they can't What did you just say?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
That's what I assume they said when they realize that.
Damn it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
This is a clean podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I know, but I was talking about the dam. Yeah,
just damn it up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
All right, thank you for that. So now the treasure
is not just buried under earth, it's buried under water.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Damn it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Stop saying that, so, Gregor, Edward Gregor, are you good?

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my joke was really funny.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Okay, all right, we said we're going to be quick.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
That was comedy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Gold.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
You can't write that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
That was bury treasure right there, very gold. Gregor wants
to go look for this, you know. Oh, they did
say that, doctor Gross mysteriously disappeared sometime in the fifties. Yeah,
thank you. Anyways, sometimes in nineteen ninety the dam led

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a bunch of water out and there was a major drop,
so supposedly where it got buried was revealed, or at
least they could dig for it. He goes out there
with a friend.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
How excited do you think he was at that moment?

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Probably pretty exciting. And they start digging.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Guess what they find treasure?

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
They don't. They don't find treasure. I don't find anything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
That's too bad.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
But this story is corroborated, corroborated something like that, whatever
word that's supposed to be. That's what I said by
a statement. We get, I get an interview from did
you know this this guy? I didn't even write his
name then because I was irritated. It just says federal
employee with who.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
That's a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Yeah, I'm like yeah, really. He says he's looking through
like old archive records, finds a statement by a man
by the name of Joseph Jerlyn, and he supposedly corroborates
this story. He was a deputy commandant at Dachau, and

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he says the head commandant Frederick vittlor Ter. Uh, he
was the head of Dacaut and he saw Frederick put
stuff boxes and leave with it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Okay, I saw someone put something in a box.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
And put treasure in boxes and smuggle it out. Mm
hm so And there was witnesses that said they saw
him leave in these vehicles and smuggle this stuff out.
But my question is and then they're like, well, is
this Joseph Jerlyn? Is he is he Gross's informant? Like, well,

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but he they said that one of the four was
Gross's informant. Now you're saying this guy is his informant?
Who he who? He says he wasn't part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
It just seems Also, Nazis are known to be really
honest human beings.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
So but Joseph Jerline was tried and convicted and killed
for his ground. You know, we can't you know, question
him anymore. Anyways, That's what I saw. Mystery is there
a treasure out there to be uncovered from World War Two?

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Why does this guy want to know? Why does he
tell you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
He says that he wants to find it and use
it for medical treatment.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Okay, I don't believe him.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Okay, Well, for the area he.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Wants to use that for like medical treatment and research
for that area. Okay, okay, cool, I don't believe you,
but a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Right update update never found. I know you were all
shocked by that. I knew you are all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
If you're especially then you can there's bury treasure in
a reservoir somewhere. You just got to find a shock
and a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Brick wall and go halfway between. Yep, I suppose, But no,
I mean, honestly, there's not a lot on this. There's
the legend, but no one's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Really no one's really buying it. No, So no, never
found interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
All right. I'm going to tell you about this one.
I'm going to tell you about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Kay, I'm I'm so excited for this story.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
All right, everyone, buckle up, get your seatbelts on, put
yourself drink, and sit back while I tell you about
my gal k She is forty six years old, divorced,
and her children are nearly grown.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Did you find out? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I did, nearly grown? Okay, If I say nearly grown,
how old do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Sixteen seventeen?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Cool? Same? Nearly grown, according to Unsolved Mysteries, is twenty
four year old son named Eric, and twenty one year
old daughter Lisa.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Listen if you still lived with.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Them with her inside her mobile home in Maryland.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Okay, Okay, the picture is just coming together here. Okay,
there's so much more. I will say.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I feel terrible because the daughter is interviewed in silhouette
and can barely get through the interview because she's full
on ugly crying. And again, I assumed that she was
a teenage girl.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
I thought she was a miner. That's why they weren't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
She is twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Let's keep that in mind as we go through this.
But we got Kay who lives in a mobile home.
She was twenty one with her two adult children.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
All Right, I'm here for it. Yeah, tell me this story. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
For ten years she had worked as a corrections officer
Kay in Algery County Detention Center for men and women
in I wrote down Cucumberland. That's Cucumberland, Cumberland. I think
we see, yes, Cumberland, But I wrote down Cucumberland. Cucumberland, Cumberland,

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Maryland sounds like a fun place. August twenty ninth, nineteen
ninety She is on duty in the Prison Control Center
with one other female officer. It's two in the morning.
Anyone that's ever worked the night.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Show off, the night shift is the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Worst light between two and four in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
That's where I start losing my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
It's that's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
It is. It's a tough sh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
It's a tough shift, right, So she leaves. Ka leaves
to go on a routine check of the cell block,
do around two rounds. All the inmates are behind bars,
making sure Jeffrey Epstein didn't hang himself. You don't even
get me started on that. Except for one, which again
we don't really get anything else about this. All inmates

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are behind bars, except they say that one low security
prisoner was working in an adjacent.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Room at two in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
No other questions, please, Okay, that makes sense with two
female agents or to office.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
He's got a gun belt, then.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what he was doing.
We don't get any more information. He's not involved in
this story at all.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
He actually doesn't play a role.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
It plays no part. We didn't even even know he
was there, so everything seems normal. It's two in the morning.
Minutes later, the calm of an uneventful night would be
dramatically turned upside down. By two thirty am. As Michelle
sat and worked, a thirty year old maximum security inmate

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named Edgar. Edgar enters. Edgar, your skin is hanging off
your bones enters the room armed, not with a gun,
because why why could he not have a gun? Gun?

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
I don't think they have guns, and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
They don't have guns in prison, right if you're a
corrections officer, I have like a armory. Yeah, they can
go get him, but you you don't work in a prison.
You don't carry in prison. But he's armed with a
quote hard object, no further questions.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
He said, I'm super curious.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Come on, lady, you're coming with me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
He says this to the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Other security agent, the one that's still manning the area.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
The lady. What's the lady's name that was doing around Michelle?

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Michelle is at the station, k is doing her around.
Kay is nowhere to be found. Gone, he's gone. You
don't know where she's at.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
But Michelle's now worry and with a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Hard object comes in and says, lady, you're coming with me.
She then says, what are you doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Fair question?

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
He repeats, come on, and she said, do you know
how serious this is. I don't think this lady quite
was understanding what was obviously his hard object was unimpressive
to her. I'm just laughing at this whole situation that

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this woman you're worried for, she obviously is a total
battie because this man is saying things to her, and
she's like, do you really want to pull at this thread? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
I think it's a fair question.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Fair question? Do you know how serious this is? And
he responded, do you know how serious I am? I
ain't got time for this? Okay, that's there. I know
I almost I almost wrote this out for you and
me to act it out for the pod.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah, it just sounds like a bad play.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
So he tells her, who talks like, I don't know.
He tells her that another inmate actually does have a
real weapon and it's making kay hostage.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
That's like the guy that goes to the bank. It says,
I got a cut in my pocket. It's like the
Michael Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Improv Yeah, one hundred percent. Michelle is not quite sure
what's going on, right, so she believes that they're gonna
take everyone as hostage. As they walk through the cell block,
she sees the bathroom door door A standing in the jark,
there's a bathroom door open. This woman bravely yeets herself

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out of this situation, goes into the bathroom and locks
the door. She's like, I'm not doing this anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
I don't know what you got. I don't know what
what in your pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Yeah, I don't think you realize how serious this is,
but I don't want to play anymore. So she's done.
She locks the door and takes a moment. Sina starts
to calm down, realize is that she's safe, But then
h O spaghetti O's she has no way to call
for help, and where's k She doesn't know that, that's

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the second thought. She cannot call for help, she cannot
alert anybody the problem is going on, and is terrified
for her friend because now they're in her mind really mad.
They've lost control of the situation, and now Kay's even
more in danger.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Two verses one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Yeah, it appeared that Kay had been taken hostage by
karen cellmate, the thirty five year old James Vernon. He
was serving fifty years for kidnapping, rape, and robbery in Virginia.
He was being held in jail while awaiting trial on
charges also including assault of a deadly weapon in Cumberland.

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He and Kurns were the Umberland Cucumber lamb He was.
He and Kerns were the only two inmates being held
in the maximum security cell block. Right, Michelle heard buttons
being clicked. So Michelle's in the bathroom, she hearspo and

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realizes that doors are opening. She figures at this point
that Kerns and Barnes have escaped with k shortly after
the prisoners that were working. Oh, that's sorry. The prisoner
working in the other room hallers at her that it's
okay to come out. What is happening.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
I don't know. I'm worried.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
This man is probably like, dude, I am so chill
in this place that I'm not even behind like a
cell door. I'm working. It's two in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
He's probably got access to the doors.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Probably, he probably is like, I want nothing to do
with this. If these two losers get me any more
time out of to my sentence, I'm gonna be ticked.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Yeah, he's got a cush You don't want to lose
his case.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
If they're just in a county jail. At this point,
this is not some crazy prison clearly. So he hollers
at her from the other room. It's safe to come out.
Get that man a lollipop, the prisoner or she gets
out of the bathroom. She calls the police to report
the escape. Two days later, September first, Ka telephones her

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daughter at home.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
So, now these guys are gone. Kay's got Kay's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
It's been forty eight hours. Everyone is freaking out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Manhunt is on the way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
The assumption that Kay is being held against her.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
She's been kidnapped by these maximum security prisoners with a
hard object with a weapon in their pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Yep. So she collect calls her daughter her.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Adult no, no, no, no, no, her coming of age.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Coming a page. What did they report them as? No?
Let me see nearly grown children, nearly grow nearly? How
can you be nearly? That's from Harry Potter. I know, okay,
so and okay, did you ever do this as a
kid with a collect call? So for back in the day,

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for people who don't understand, there used to be these
things called payphones and you had to put a quarter
in and that was just for like a local call.
I don't even know what a payphone's going to charge.
You for it, how long made a long distance call,
but you could call like a one eight hundred collect call,
and you'd call and you'd have to record your name.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
And at the skating ring you would call your parents
and you'd say way to get picked up, and then
you'd hang out and your parents would then show up
ten minutes later.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
The other thing we learned to do as kids is
it the Myrtle Creek Elementary There was a payphone right
outside the school, like right outside the school ground. So
we'd be playing at the playground and we were ready
to get picked up, we'd call our mom. They had
the phone number of the payphone on there. Yeah, And
so i'd collect call my parents' house or my parents

(01:18:25):
work order, and I would say five for and say
real quick, and then I'd wait. My mom would call back,
and then you could talk for free. So life hack
in case you ever need to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Make a collector callase cell phones ever go down and
we don't have them anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
So she says to her daughter, Hey, super quick, I'm
perfectly fine. I love you, I miss you, but don't
worry about me because I went with these boys willingly.

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What would you do?

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
So because of this call, authorities begin to suspect the
K might have been involved in this escape.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Well where would they get that idea?

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
They discovered that she was the only guard who had
the keys to the maximum security cell shared by Currents
and Barns. On the night of the escape, she volunteered
several times to make rounds. She also convinced the other
guard to let the to go to the convenience door

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to get food.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
She bought extra food.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah, I don't know, man, or she just makes these
roadsnacks for me. Here's a list. I love some uh
donut and some Red Bulls.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Thank you just for the shift.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Yeah, just because super CASHU.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Didn't they take her car?

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah, they also left in her car. So September second,
three days after the escape, Barnes, the third wheel here
of this trio, is apprehended in Hampshire County, West Virginia,
about thirty five miles from the prison. He quickly tells
everybody that K's car was used in the getaway, and
that she and Karns had some sort of love thing

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going on, and that they planned the whole thing and
he just was kind of like along for the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Right, ladies. I'm gonna say this again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
I can't believe we've done less than fifty episodes. Yeah,
and this is like the third or fourth time we've
had to have this conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
I'm going to say it every time, ladies. You can
do better. You can do better than a man in prison.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Wait, no one in prison needs you to do anything
for it. And they've gotten themselves there on their own choice.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
He's in prison. Keep walking, find someone else, trust me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Yes, someone will tell me that project. So Currents is
from West Virginia. He had been convicted of theft and forgery.
He's awaiting his sentence in Maryland for assault, grand larceny
which I don't know what grand larceny is, and passing
bad checks? Do you know what larceny is?

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
To do you know? Done? She's barking that was like
a robbery in that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Maybe I could look it up, but I'm not going to.
He'd also get this been previously charged with attempted murder
and kidnapping of his girlfriend and her daughter. However, those
charges were later dropped because the girlfriend really used to testify.

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Barnes said that Kay and Kurrns had been romantically involved
for months at the prison. They'd formed their relationship by
having long, soulful conversations. This lady just wanted someone to
listen to her stories because she's got two adult children
at home. That it's not what they said. Nearly grown

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Barnes tells authorities that Kay would sometimes spend up to
thirty to forty minutes inside their cell hanging out. Who
was in charge of this woman?

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Not herself?

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
No, what was happening? I guess this is obviously before
cameras and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Yeah, this was before Jeff. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
So authorities are now starting to suspect if there was
likely a relationship between these two, and it appeared that
for one reason or another, Kay has chosen to leave
her old life behind. She often thought with her children,
Eric and Lisa, and did not have a good relationship
with them. She no longer liked her job and had

(01:23:15):
many many money troubles. Shortly before she escaped, she told
her coworker, it won't be too much longer and I'll
be free. The coworker at the time said they honestly
didn't realize what she meant. Their okay. We learned to
find out that Kern's was not the only inmate Kay
had been involved with. She had previously dated two other

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inmates that had been released. Strangely, she was supposed to
marry one of them at the Maryland Correctional Institute four
days before the escape. He claimed that they had met
a year prior and developed a love affair. She wrote
to him and visited him on the regular. However, when

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he did when she did not show up at the
prison on their wedding day, he called her and she said,
I don't want anything to do with you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Yes, stood up at the altar man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
While being in prison. I mean that is a low blow. Man.
That is tough. That's a tough day.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Wait time out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Yeah, I need you to unpack all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
I was half paying attention. He's in prison, and maybe
she's a guard and they were having a wedding at
the prison at her place of employment.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
It looks like he was at the Maryland correction Institute
in Haggerstown. Different locations, Okay, But she's getting married to
a man in prison.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
And she works for a president.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Yeah, and they had been dating, according to him, for
a year, and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Her bosses didn't say, hey, man, this is a red flag.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
I don't know, we don't have any of that information.
But this was a pattern of hers clear because it's
not just her fiance that she there's two more.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
You're not getting into stuff that this was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
This wasn't on there, but I thought this was pertinent information.
I don't know why anyone is acting shocked that this happened.
She had had a relationship with two other inmates, including
one that she stood up at the altar while he
was in prison she was supposed to be. When she
did not show up at the prison for their wedding day,

(01:25:38):
he got suspicious and called her that's what suspicious, right, Okay?
Four days later, four days after she didn't show up
at the altar, she escapes with this other guy. Deputy
Craig of Algery County, Sheriff's partent, said that when people
fall in love, they sometimes do strange things.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Thank you, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
We need a bi law enforcement expertise on that. So
Michael said, or Michelle says, once she learns what happened
that night, she's ticked. She's the other person, or she's
the other guard. She's not happy, and at the end
of it, she's like dude, where does Kay get off

(01:26:26):
doing this to me? Lisa said that the daughter says
she just wants to know why her mom did it.
She wants her mom to turn herself in because she
doesn't want her to get hurt. She would like to
have her back home so she can finish paying the
bills and explain to her why she did it. I
added the part about the bills myself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
I figured, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
She said that she does love her mom, but is
confused about the whole situation, and also that Kurt hurt
her and she does not know how to feel about it.
And she finally ended the interview by saying it just
hurts a lot. Is Kay a victim or is she

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a criminal?

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
She's a criminal.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Her daughter holds out hope that she is innocent. All right,
So we got it right. That's kind of where Unsolved
Mysteries leaves us. Update update solved at four am on
October eighteenth, nineteen ninety, just six hours after the broadcast.
Kay and Kerns are captured in Kannada.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Who's going to Canada?

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
I know the popular place. September tenth, twelve days after
the escape, they checked into the Beach Motor motel in
Ontario registered as husband and wife by the name of
Fred and Sandy Smith. They claimed they were on vacation.
The night of the broadcast, the hotel manager, Joe Mitchell,

(01:27:58):
not to be confused with Julian Mitchell, is watching Unsolved Mysteries,
sees this hallers at his wife Nancy in the other
room and says, do you recognize this lady? She's like, yep,
that's the couple in room twelve. So they call the police.
The police show up, they learn about everything, the whole

(01:28:19):
thing shows up. It's called the Emergency Response Unit what
we would call here the SWAT team. There they do
a whole reenactment and don't worry. In the footnotes it
tells us it's a reenactment, so everyone's fine. They bust
down the door, they break in the hotel room is disgusting. However,
the room is empty. The bathroom window has been opened though.

(01:28:42):
Dun Dun Dun, an employee at a nearby hotel, tells
authorities that he saw a couple getting into a taxi earlier,
and authorities are able to figure out the taxi company.
They get to the driver, he tells them he dropped
him off at a beach trip near a different motel,
and he said that the couple had mentioned about going
to the Red Rose motel. So authorities once again pack

(01:29:07):
everything up and they start this whole venture over again.
They go there. The hotel office registers that, uh, the
couple has come in and registered there, but they use
their real names this time. Once again, why not? Emergency
response units move in, But don't worry, it's a re enactment.
Four officers approach the motel room. At some point, someone

(01:29:29):
looks up the window of the drapes and they see
each other and they make eye contact and it's really
tense for a second, and they say, hey, we're coming in.
Slain down the door. Ken's forced on the floor, held
in a position of safety, is what it says. Kay,
who was in the bed wearing a neglige a mind you,
has her hands handcuffed above her head to the headboard
like you've read in several inappropriate adult books. She and

(01:29:53):
Kurns are arrested and transported to the central station. And
see that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
They literally tell us that someone with some law enforcement experience,
can you explain to me?

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
No, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
I cannot explain, Canada, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
What in the world is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
They reenact this, I thought the reaction puff her and
I'm not kidding you, guys. She's wearing a nighty, a
sexy launeray.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
No, stop that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
And they handcuff her hands like all like, okay, put
the handcuffs on and putting them above the bed. I
was like, what is happening?

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
I was so confused. I was like, you have control
of the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Just put her in handcuffs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
They and according to things I read, she like laid
in that bed for a while before they finally got
to her, Like they took care of him and everything
and just left her there. It doesn't It makes no sense, Canada,
explain yourself, all right? Long story short, they both are captured.
They both end up serving time for this, but guess what,

(01:31:05):
they both get out and live together until k passes away.
The romance was real, the love connection was legit. So
good thing. She stood that other guy up at the altar.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
No update on how the children are doing though, coming
of age children, adult children, but not quite all right,
So there you go. What do you have any No?

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
I got nothing. It's not so bananas, it's just wild.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Yeah, you know, I mean this in the nicest way possible.
I think I bring a lot to the table in
a relationship. I know I can be insufferable at times,
but I think I'm a fun person to be around. Okay,

(01:32:08):
I've never had a man offer to break out of
prison to be with me. I'll tell you that right now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
You have to date me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Fair. I would never date a guy like that. But
I just think, too, what is the equivalent to that
of someone that's not in prison? Well that's I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Don't understand these relationships. I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
I don't get it either.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
I don't understand one bet. I just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
No, neither do I. Okay, So there you go, guys.
That is the wild episode of season three, Episode five.
We have recorded a little long so you are feel
free to exit. I won't go over all of our things.
Follow us on social five star rating and review. We

(01:32:55):
love you, guys, We're grateful for you. YadA, YadA, YadA. Anyways,
if you'd like to stick around, I've got a fun
question for Ben. What celebrity Ben, do you think you
could be best friends with? Based on their personalities that
you see. If you we've all like it doesn't have

(01:33:16):
to have a big, big time celebrity, but athlete or
somebody you're like, dude, I feel like if I hung
out with this person, we would be best friends, or
that you just want to be best friends with because
you think that they're awesome. Anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
The only name that's coming to mind this Keanu Reeves.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Yeah, I could see that from you. He doesn't talk to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Anybody because zero social media presence.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
He doesn't talk to you and him just like meet
up in New York and sit on the park bench,
sip coffee and say three words to each other and
go about your day.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
Absolutely, it was fine. I did watch something he was
on a late night. There's that famous of him just
sitting on a park bitch and eating a sandwich, and
he literally just I was just eating a sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
But I think it's like a homemade sandwich, Like he
packed a sandwich and went to the park.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
And when I saw that, I said, yeah, I'm here
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
I could be friends with that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
I'm here. He I don't know much about him because
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
I think that's the whole point. He doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
I don't read well and I don't read much on people, But.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
You're not a big celebrity gossip person.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I'm not. I know that is going to come to wars.
But from what I understand is he is a very
solitary guy, but he's very kind to the interactions of
people he comes across. At least again from my understanding, Yeah,
so I'm a very solitary guy. I try to keep

(01:34:53):
my circle very tight, and he kind of seems like
that same way, but just not make celebrity persons, but
he canneries. Seems like pretty coquel.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Interesting. I would have not pigged you for that. Your
best friend and your wife are like super social and
loud and outgoing and crazy and have ADHD and can't
string three thoughts together half the time. So I just
think it's interesting that you'd want to hang out with
someone like very similar to you in it of being like, yeah,

(01:35:31):
I could see like having a good time with that person,
but that makes sense in a way, like yeah, what's yours?
It probably changes based on but because we're watching that
stinging task Master show, I Jason, I don't even know
his last name. That's how much like I'm out of

(01:35:52):
touch with celebrity stuff. Can you look it up? This
guy is insane and I tend to like match energy
with people. So if people are like having a good
time and really hyped up, I'm like hyped up having
a good time too. I think that this Jason comedy
actor who is He's on the TV show right now,

(01:36:15):
task Master, but he's like been on Brooklyn ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Jason Mendozi manzolchis Manzochus.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
He's got crazy curly hair.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
He is funny.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
I a dude. I think him and I would have
a riot together because if he everything, He's like, let's
just like game, let's do it. He just looks like
chaos in a bottle. And yeah, he has poor impulse control.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Yeah, the guy is wild. He is hilarious watch.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Yeah, and I want to be best friends with him.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
The best nailed it episodes on it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
The best nailed episodes. Wasn't he also on that TV
show where they improv like a detective scene? What's that
show on Netflix? During COVID? I think, right, was he
on there? I think he was so there was a
show on Netflix. They only did a few episodes, but
everyone is paid actors and has a script that they're

(01:37:22):
trying to follow except for the celebrity guest who is
like just tossed into a chaos and has the improv
it and it's like a detective. They're trying to solve
a crime. Yeah, and there was a bunch of Snoop
Dogg was on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
There was no no, It was Marshall Lynch was a
football player and he was actually huh hilarious because everyone
else has a script and knows what's going on and
they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
They have no clue and they don't know what's happening next. Yeah,
and nailed that. He's on there. He's hilarious in Brooklyn
ninety nine. Everything this guy is in. But yeah, you
kind of see more casual comedy from him in this
show and ever time. Yeah, if I like ran into
him randomly and spent an afternoon with him, I think
him and I would have eight Shenanigan of a time.

(01:38:13):
So that would be who I would want to like
be best friends with for a day. So Jason, if
you're listening to this, feel free to slide on into
my DMS and we'll make it happen. Kevin, all right,
So there you guys go that is season three, episode

(01:38:35):
five and join us again next week. Wouldn't been. And
I recap another one of your gateway drugs in the
true firing on Soltstree. Bye.

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