Appointment With Fear (1985) w/ Sam Panico

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Prepare yourself for the terror, the prison of madness. We
have few inter and Nonritter. Welcome to Unsung Horrors.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
With LUNs and Denica. Leave all your sanity behind. It
can't help you. Now.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Welcome to another episode of Unsung Horrors, the podcast where
we discuss underseen horror films, specifically those with fewer than
one thousand views on letterboxed. I'm Lance and I'm Erica,
and we have a third person joining us for this episode.
So this is a person we've referenced on multiple occasions
in past episodes because he writes reviews and dishes out

(00:57):
pretty much all the facts and production histories of some
of our favorite movies, movies most of them are eligible
for you know, Unsung Horrors less than one thousand views picks,
and he posts them on his wonderful side bns about
movies as well as a weekly podcast or the same name.
And every time I think I find an absolute gem
an underseen horror Jim that I'm like, Okay, nobody has

(01:19):
seen this, nobody's gonna have logged this on letterbox. There
he is with his his reviews and his his logs.
Of course, I'm talking about Sam Panico Sam, Welcome to
the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I feel the same way about you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
This happens like there's like the one Manchester Morgue, the
Asian one that you guys know. Of course, I'm like,
how did this exist? And I didn't know about I
got so excited. So that's why I started to listen
to your guys show in the first place, because I'm like, like,
I look at these like movie drugs as what I
always call them, and I'm like, am I ever going
to run out of movie drugs? And I'm like no,

(01:54):
Like these guys are gonna find stuff. I'm not going
to find stuff. I'm glad that it works both ways,
Glad that we can trade substances.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
So to speak.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
I mean, I'm just, you know, glad that there's other
people out there who share the same kind of passion
and figuring around in like the Philippines and being like fuck,
yeah this is this is like stick it in my veins,
like give me this stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I discovered that the Philippines make awesome End of the
World movies. There's one w is War that's like insane.
It has like a cyborg werewolf and like it just
gets crazier and crazier and Mad Warrior is the sequel,
which is even wilder, and like I'm like, yeah, they
always have tricycles instead of motorcycles. So I'm like once
you start discovering, like, oh, there's other cultures out there,

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and you get past like what did they say? You know,
the two inch hurdle of the subtitles? You know what
they call it or no subtitles? Like I love when
you find a movie on like a Russian hack site
and it has someone yelling Russian over two other languages
and it has like hard coded subs and like I
don't have any.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Idea what's happening.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
That's exactly what I want, Like I just want to
like be baffled by the things that I find and
then try to deduce like where did this come from?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Like who made it? Like how did it get to me?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Like because someone had to make it and someone had
to like put it together.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Like that's the stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Like, oh, and I love hearing you guys talk about
the same things, Like I remember the first time I
heard you mentioned like, oh I got this in like
cave forgotten films.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I'm like, oh my god, other people are in the cave. Yeah,
that's awesome, you.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you and you track all
this information down like on your site Bings about Movies,
Can you like share some of the info on how
you created the site, you know where people can find it.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, So it's just people always call it bands about movies, right,
be and espet movies because my wife's name is Becca,
and I'm saying so we were laughing one night, it's like, oh,
bns about movies. We used to do a podcast. I'm like,
we I should just do a whole site because I watched,
as you can tell, like a ton of movies a day,
and I'm like I should. And I was writing for
another site and they would always like take for hover
to put them up, and like, you know what, like

(03:58):
why don't I control the means of pretty and.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Just do this myself?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Like and then I won't feel as bad for as
much stuff as I I'm sure you guys areen saying
about like how much physical media I buy all the time.
So it's like at least I'm kind of I can't
write it off, but at least I'm doing something with it.
And then that was about five or six six years ago,
and then I just got really into it. And Bill
Van Rain, who I do the Driving Asylumn video show with,
he was doing his zine and I was starting to

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write for his zine and it was so much fun
writing for Driving Asylum, and he's like, you should just
do this all the time.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
He's like, here's some ways that I got started and
just ended up happening.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Like I've always watched this many movies and always been
into trying to find them, but like, you know, I
think we all got into it probably similarly like if
you're as I'm fifty two, so like I was like
the end of the Monster Kid era, right, like I
still got UHF horror hosts.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
We had Chili Billy in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Until eighty three, so you know, up until it was eleven,
there was horror movies on every night. Cleveland had super
Host and then like I went straight from that into
the video era into like oh what else is? You
always have to make that jump right to like either
you stop watching these and don't care where you're like, oh,
I got the books like Incredibly Strange Films, the Research
Book or like Mondo Macabre. Once I started getting those books,

(05:12):
I'm like, oh, it's over like I'm just gonna start,
but you know, isn't it wild today?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Though?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
That like this is this is why I get upset
because I always hear you guys talk about two. It's like,
why would you waste your time with a lot of
movies anyone can watch when it's like every movie is
that literally almost at our fingertips now, yeah, and it's
like you could find these movies or well, that's I
think why, Like I get excited. I'm happy that you
guys said those things, like you find me finding these
because like some of them, it's like a beyond needle

(05:39):
in a haystack to find these movies, and I get
obsessed about, Oh, someday I'm going to get to see that.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like The Astrologer was one of those for me where
I was like.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I'm never going to see this movie and then like
it turned up on an internet archive for like a day,
and I'm like, I'm ready. I searched every day for
it for four years and I'm like, then I watched
it and it totally lived up to what I wanted
it to be, right, Like it was like my wife
you would like that, She's like, what is going on
in this movie.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
But yeah, so I.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Started doing that. And then I actually saw someone on
your Guys site say on the discord, which I love, Like, oh,
he used to do a podcast. I'm like, I should
just start doing the podcast again, Like I have so
much free time, and so I just start doing that.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's like anything to get out, Like if I can get.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
My joy of movies into other people and infect them
with it, then that's what I want. Like I want
people to love the fact that like we can experience
these things. Like I hate when I hear people say,
oh I'm bored, Like I'm never bored, Like you should
never be bored. There's too much to do, yeah, like
there's too many things to see.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah. I love the weekly podcast because they're like, you know,
fifteen minutes or less. It's really it's just cool, little
little blurbs that you get every week, just constant content,
which I love.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, and that's what.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I listened to so many podcasts, and like I like
them when they're long, but it's like sometimes I'm just
going to the store and I want something to listen to.
So I was like, what if I did these like
bite sized ones. There was a couple of podcasts. I
was listening about music that would just do like a
single and talk about a song real Brie and that
was kind of like my inspiration on it, and I
was like, yeah, I should do that, so thanks.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I'm having fun doing them, and like I'm always trying
to think, like does this makes sense for or not?
Like this week is Ryan Stone and Staying Alive, which
are horrible, and I'm like, I don't want to be
like a bad movie podcast because I hate when people
talk down on movies, right, because like I think every
movie is somebody's favorite, even Rhyinstone, which is it's so

(07:28):
weird because it's like Bob Clark directed it right, and
you're like like, how did you do it? But he
also did Super Geniuses right, the Baby movie, so it's.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Like just such the weirdest filmography. Like I just every
time I think about I look at like what he's filmed,
and I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
That Christmas Story and then Black Christmas this.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
And then oh my god, it's so weird.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Anyway, he did the Alpha and Omega of Christmas movie,
the most hopeful Christmas movie and the least hopeful, the
movie that ends with you not even knowing the killer,
which is awesome, Like it's great. When we went to
the house is really close to us, it's like an
hour and a half away where they shot a Christmas story.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
We went and we did the tour.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
And one part they talk about is like when Bob
Clark came to Cleveland, people thought he was a lunatic
because like he had done Porky's and Black Christmas and
children shouldn't sleep with Shelton, shouldn't play with that thing,
shouldn't sleep with that thing to either. And they watched
his movies and they're like, we can't let him make
this movie in our town. And he had to like
literally read the script for him, and he's like, it's
this hopeful, It's like it's my childhood. And then they knew,

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you know, obviously the writer had been a big radio guy.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's how it got made.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
But it's like, yeah, if you think about it, if
he did come to your time, you'd be like, oh,
what else have you done? I did this sex movie
about the fifties, and I did this movie where a
girl gets a unicorn shoved in her eye.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh cool, okay, you can make it here. I can't
believe you like Ryan Stone, but I won't judge you.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
You also like the worst movie to ever be made
in my hometown, two Bloodsucking Pharaohs.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, apologize.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, I want to apollo to Erica for that movie.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Thank you appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I drive through the area where it was shot, like
the area where it's shot when it was shot. At
the time, it was very like run down and nobody cared.
Now it's like the hippies part of Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
And the movie made it that.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
No. Oh yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
It just brings joy and just success wherever it's, wherever
it's been.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
We played a show with Acid, which the one metal
band they did that Midnight Movies album, and like they
love this stuff and like they're like, oh my god,
we're right where they shot Blood Sucking Pharaohs.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
And I'm like, yeah, I don't want to talk about that.
I don't want to judge you, guys. I really had
a good time doing show with you.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, there's only one double feature pick for our movie
we're going to be talking about, and that is Bloodsucking Pharaohs.
Another Alan Smith.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
You can have it. You can fucking have it.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, Okay, another Egyptian Alan Smithy movie. Yeah it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Ye, So yeah, this this episode we're talking about another
Alan Smithy movie, Appointment with Fear from nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
The Egyptians had something to say about dreams.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
They believe that when a person sleeps, his other self
goes out.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
And does things.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Appointment with Fear when love turns to hate, where life
becomes doubt.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Let's kill his baby in order to freamly be king
for another year?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Appointment with Fear?

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Is it fantasy or is it reality?

Speaker 1 (10:45):
He decreases of all the pre Appointment with Fear. You decide.
You can find it streaming on YouTube. It has only
two hundred and sixty two views on letter Box. Do
I really need to try and give a summary here?
It's not possible. It isn't right. No, Like I can

(11:07):
give it a go, but I feel like we should
just jump into the cast and crew and then and
then try.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I feel like if folks really at this point wanted
summary before we jump in, go back and listen to
the end of the last episode where Lance gives the
synopsies from Letterbox and IMDb, neither of which are correct,
although some a couple of points in each one are
sort of correct.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, I'm not even in the right picture.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, no, the picture for.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
The Scott Valentine movie.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Ye hold up in the discord and I was like, oh,
is this in the movie? This looks great? And Lance,
It's not even in the movie. And I'm like, Jesus
fucking Christ.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
It would make them, it would make appointment with fear
and make more sense if it was.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
The Internet doesn't even have anything right about this, like
just general search.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I have a theory about the summary of the movie.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Al if you guys ever, if you guys ever read
the Mothman prophecies like the John Keele book, I have not, Okay, So,
like it's way deeper than the movie. And John Kill
was like a forty and like a parapsychologist. But he
believed that like the men in black that he met
that came to talk to him about what he saw

(12:20):
in point Pleasant, were not human, that were like from
some other dimension and could only approximate reality.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
So like as they were.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Talking to him at a restaurant, they would try to
put food into their ears, or they would like try
to eat a pencil, and He's like, oh, they only
know what it's like to be human. From things they've seen,
but they don't know the experience. That's what this movie is.
It's like it knows what movies are and it knows
how stories happen, but it doesn't know how to put
him together. And it's just like this weird.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Transmission from another dimension where this movie makes sense and
dimension acts or wherever it's come from.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Here, we don't have no idea what it is. Like technically, yes,
it is a movie. It has someone the beginning, middle,
and end. It has actors in it. Maybe somebody directed it,
maybe somebody edited it like a good The cinematographer did
a lot of other films, but none of these things
came together.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
And that's the beauty of it. It's it's nuts.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah. I mean, whenever you see Alan Smithy directing credit,
you know that there's going to be problems with that movie. Yeah,
for a lot of Like for anybody who does who's
not aware Alan Smithy. It's a fake name. It's a
pseudonym used by film directors that they're unhappy they lose
creative control over their film altogether, and they just want
to disown the film, have their name removed.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
They're not allowed to use it anymore either in like
the nineties, I think.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, I think, I mean it was it was
part of the guild, Like they recognized Allen Smithy as
a directing credit and I think it. I think I'd
read it. It ended with Walter Hill's Supernova. Is that the
movie he did in two thousand and five and he
wanted to use Alan Smithy but they're like, no, you can't.
So he created Tim something Tim Thomas Lee.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
That my favorite anti Alan smith is when David Lynch
did Dune, they out.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
The TV release, Yeah, yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
TV releases Judas Booth, which is Judas is Scariot and
John Lukes Booth put together.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
That's how mad he was about that movie.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, Mike Michael Man two he disapproved like so much
of the TV cut for Heat, saying it destroyed the
narrative that he wanted to use Alan Smithy for that.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Like when Jorgawirsky went to see Dune, he was so
worried about it. He threw up in the parking lot
and he was like, everybody's gonna love this movie. That's
not I could do a better accent for that. And
then so finally he went in and thought and he's
just started laughing like a maniac and he's like it's horrible.
I love it, and you have no idea who this
little Chilean man is. It was like going nuts in

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the theater.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
But yeah, there's other Alan Smithy movies like I'm Sure
you have a ton Sam, like Bill Lustig's Maniac Cop
three Hell Raised Her Bloodline, which we both love.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
I love that movie. I'm sorry. I don't know why
anyone with Alan Smithy that movie.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I mean yeah, I mean you can kind of no.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
I know it's because like the producers or whoever wanted
to change a bunch of shit in it, and they
probably did, but like, I'm sorry that movie is. I
saw that in the theater and when I was in
high school with my friend Scott and the movie opens
with the fucking robot playing with the fucking box and
it's like, how do you not love this movie? And

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it's got the whole like weird flashback thing. Adam Scott like,
come on, I love it.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
It's way better than you. I mean, it's funny because
people are like, oh, that's horrible. I'm like just wait,
because like there's so many other Hellaries and movies where
we're like this started. Almost every one on IMDb starts
with this was another movie, and then a new producer
came in and said, let's make it hilaries.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
I've seen all of them and I can confidently say like, yeah,
ranking goes one, two, four, three, hell World and then
all the rest plumped In.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
The last one that came out. I was like, I
hope nobody champions this movie, the streaming one.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I haven't seen.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, I saw that was the one of the fantastic
Feste screenings last years. I was I was big mad,
as the kids said, I was a big, big mad Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
There's a couple Alan Smithy movies I love, Like if
you're seeing the Dentis opera movie catch Fire.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Or Backtracks the other title, it's really weird.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
It's like him just it's one of his comeback movies,
but supposedly he relapsed while directing it, and it's like
about like he's an assassin. It's it's not good, but
it's really interesting, I guess. And then Twilight's in the movies.
Another one because the assistant director asked for his name
to be taken off with good reason. Student Bodies is

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kind of another one which I kind of like and
h sitting in Fear. Judd Taylor directed that and asked
for his name to be taken off that too, the
last one I could find. Oh you know what, the
other one, it's not good, but the birds too. Land's End.
That's another one. The Rick Rosenthal one where he asked
for was. One of my friends was a PA on
that movie. He's like, oh Ric Rosen thought was great.
He loved everything we were shooting, and when it came out,

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he took his name off. Of course, he always got
like suckered into doing sequels, like everybody hates Halloween too,
which I my wife and I love it.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
But it's like, yeah, he probably didn't direct a lot
of it either, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,
Carpenter was there doing the TV one. I love Mania
Cop three.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
I think it's awesome, and I guess it was just
the fight over who directed what led.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
To the Alan Smithy.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what. Yeah, And I'd read that. The
first use of the pseudonym was in nineteen sixty eight
or sixty nine for a western called Death of a Gunfighter,
where one of the stars Richard Woodmark. He didn't like
the original director, and he had enough pull to talk
to the studio into replacing him, and oh yeah Robert Totten.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Then he replaced him with Don Siegel.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yea, yeah, Don Siegel. Yeah, Invasion with Body Snatchers, and
neither directed wanted their name on this bill. They're like,
I don't want to have anything to do with this.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
So it's so hard to come in right, like when
a movie's like three fourths done and you're doing pickups, like, yeah,
don't want my name on this.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah. I mean it makes sense because yeah, usually that
you don't have control over the final cut, you didn't
direct what maybe the majority of the movie might be.
So I totally I was just.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Writing about the terror the other day of the Corman movie,
and there's like seven directors.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
It's like Walter, it's like, what is it in Bloodbath?

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Where three on that? I think if I remember correctly,
it's been a few years.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
But yeah, then it started because he had he was like, oh,
I have this set for another day. This is every
Roger Corman story. I have this set. And also I
have bored as Carloff for two hours. I should just
start filming him and there was enough script. He's just like,
just act important and I'll interview you. And then by
the end, like Jack Nicholson's shooting footage of a flood,

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and like his wife at the time was not pregnant,
being the movie obviously pregnant at the end of it.
It's like when you go back and watch it now,
you're like, wow, that movie is crazy. And like Monti
Hellman directed part of it, like there's so many people
Francis fer Coopla did and brought in. He worked for
fourteen days on it, and he said, I worked on
this for two weeks of Corman's like you're supposed to
do a day, and they didn't hardly use any of
his footage.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
So it's like I love it. I love the weird.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Roger Carman stories, like they're just and they're all true,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, yeah, of course they are.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah. So the Alan Smithy here in Appointment with Fear
is Ramsey Thomas, who he didn't direct any other films,
but he had a Hollywood producer that did interfere with
his vision and decided to reshoot scenes. And that's the
Great Mustafa, a god. So he I mean everybody knows
a cod for, you know, producing and financing Carpenter's nineteen

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seventy eight Halloween and basically every every Halloween sequel up
until what is it Resurrection in two thousand and two.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Now his son's an executive producer.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, Malik. Yeah, and this is actually appointment with fear.
I found out that he was a production assistant at
sixteen years old. This is Melo God's first film credit,
So good on him. But yeah, he took over all
the rob Zombie and Blumhouse Halloween films that started happening
in two thousand and seven. He's carrying that torch.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yeah, I know. Back to Ramsey Thomas real quick. I
know he didn't direct anything else, but I did watch
one film that he was a line producer on, and
I was very excited about this because and I didn't
look at Letterboxed first because and I should have, because
then I would have seen that everyone I follow thinks
this movie sucks, and they're right. But listen to this.

(20:25):
Cat Wesley Snipes, Dennis Hopper, Tony Lo Bianco, Vigo Mortensen,
Lolita Davidovich, Tobin Bell, Christina Elise from Child to Play two,
Seymour Cassell Jonathan Banks Boiling Point from nineteen ninety three,
This movieing Hanks that I watched it.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
It's so that's that's what people are like. Is that
Bela the singer in this movie? And I can deal
with the actors. Is that the girl this same gentleman
who fell? Yes, it is.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's just anyway. I had to bring that up because
I spent an hour and a half on it. I
had to bring it up in the episode.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I almost watched for the show. So I'm glad I didn't.
I know he did.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
He was a production manager on Stargate too, speaking of
oh yeah and Halloween five.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Oh yeah, And I'm sure, I mean, I guess there
was no ill will towards you know. Yeah, God, so
I'm sure he was happy with that paycheck.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I can imagine that he brought him in. He's like, yeah,
you didn't. You didn't do too well, right, I don't
like any of this movie.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Well, and there's so many similarities too, with the point
with Fear to Halloween six Curse. Yeah, of Michael Myers,
there's yeah, I feel like a cod's like he you know,
he grabbed some scriptwriters, some screenwriters, and he's like, hey,
watch my movie from nineteen eighty five called a Point
with Fear and come back to me with the Halloween script, and.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
The cod they kept pushing in five the Man in
Black right of like what a big deal he was,
and nobody had any idea who he was. Even when
they started shooting six, they had no idea who that
character was. Like, that's crazy, Like the whole beginning of
six is reshot because originally he was.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's five. Maybe that my wife would yell at me
because I'm not. I'm off.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
But it starts like Frankenstein where they find Michael Myer's body.
It is five, yeah, and like an old man nurses
him back to health, but it was supposed to be
like a satanic teenager that like found him and ground
backed out. Like there's all like and you know, there's
like what so many cuts at six. I love six
because it's so dig They're like, let's lean into how
dumb this movie is.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Let's have a whole cult if.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
You embrace the dumb. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, Paul Rudd, who is like all into surveillance to
just like Michelle Lee. It's it's bizarre, but they have
like Beavis and butthead references in part six, it's very
a product of its time, and that's I'm a big
fan of.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
And Howard Stern was supposed to be in it too.
Oh wow, he supposed to be the shock jock in it.
It's wild that he's not. I love that, Like everybody
crapped on those movies. And then when the Bluemhouse ones
got made, there's references to five and six all through them,
and they're like, are we supposed to hate these movies
or not hate them?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Are we supposed to forget them?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
And like every new one Blue Mouse put up moved
five and six up my list of like ranking of
what Halloween's I like better?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
You know what I mean? Like they did it like it.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Was like a public service job to make me like
Robs on bees Halloween. Finally, like they're like, could we
make something crappier? Yeah, we can try, and then let's
do it again. And that's one of the Like I've
seen my wife mad at me a few times, right,
moved married ten years, Like during the second and third one,
there were moments in the theater I looked at her.
Is someone that's watched how we to in the thousands

(23:26):
of times that she's looked at me. She's like, I
can't believe I hate this movie this much like she
would think she wanted to cry, Like she was like
they've ruined it. And I'm like, oh, yeah, but it's close. Yeah,
this thematically is six but also with Egyptian gods.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right, like pagan ritualistic stuff going on, even characters kind
of yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Kowalski's even worse than I love that Blois becomes slowly
more deranged is the movies. And in two, like he
gets a kid killed in the beginning of Turn right,
like just because but there's Michael Myers. And then a
cop car comes out of owhere and hits him and
you're like, yeah, that he had blonde hair, like obviously
that wasn't Michael Myers, like like, I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I thought it was I thought it was him. And
then like and then the and one.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
He's still kind of wacky, Like I love when whenever
those kids are like trying to sneak in the house
and he's like he's like get out of here, and
he's like kind of like throwing his voice and then
and he's so proud of himself. I've watched that scene
like ten times in her I'm like, look, how pleased
he is.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
It's not my favorite. My favorite Donald pleasance is uh
in that. There's one Italian movie where he eats at a
Wendy's salad.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Oh nothing underneath, nothing underneath.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah yeah, and it's like a whole scene. Me and
my wife's like, Wendy's never had a salad bar. I'm like, oh,
you're thirteen years old.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, they had a great salad bar.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
And potatoes and yeah, their.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Food costs had to be nuclear, right, Never do that anyway.
I'm sorry, getting up suffer. Kowalski is a mess. Yeah,
we'll get to that, I know, Yeah, we get to it.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
He's the like, it's hard to take a favorite character
from this movie, but he might be mine.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Can't he even smoke properly?

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well yeah, twas he has no idea how to put
out a cigarette, Like he just thinks it's a.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Like you don't smoke, you know, smoking makes you cool?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Like it makes him less cool because like the way
he lights it, it's.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
It takes one puff, throws it out.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, my wife would he's wasting his cigarettes and
I'm like, I know.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
But yeah, getting back to a cod like he's produced
obviously all these Halloween films. He did direct a few films,
three technically, but he simultaneously shot one film called A
Messenger in nineteen seventy six, filmed one in English and
one in Arabic. It's about the prophet Muhammad becoming the
Messenger of God, the whole birth of the Islamic faith.
Have you seen those Sam, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Seen them, but they were really hard to make because
obviously you can't show Mohammad.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, right, that was the thing. Yeah, it was very
tough to do. I watched the English version with Anthony
Quinn sorry, and yeah, basically every sea, every scene where
Mohammed is, you know, talking to to Anthony Quinn, he's
basically just looking directly in the camera pretty much the
cameras the perspective of Mohammed, and some scenes he.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Used Anthony Quinn twice too, Like.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, The Lion of the Desert, which I also watched,
and I loved that. It was about Omar Muktar, who's
a Muslim rebel who fought against the Italian invasion of
Libya in the early nineteen thirties. If it's factually, you know, accurate,
I couldn't tell you. It's like a lot of war
dramas and stuff, but completely entertaining, Like Anthony Quinn is

(26:37):
amazing in it. It also starts Oliver Reid, who's yeah,
he's like the main kind of you know, Italian Robert
Rob Steiger plays Mussolini. Yeah, this is a dreamcast. All
these movies too, are like about three hours long.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Oh wow, so November.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, but they're really well made. I mean a cod
like he went to Libya and he did. He financed
most of them. He truly hoped that these would like
find a North American audience, you know, to kind of
shine a better light on Islamic faith. And he financed
most of the films, but he needed much more money.
So I don't think this helped the cause. When Muamarga

(27:19):
Daffi was a financer and a big producer.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, and like a lot of Muslim countries wouldn't let
him shoot there because they were right so concerned that
he would show Mohammed. So like Libya finished out the film,
he was, like you said, he was the message of
it was important because when he went to school, like
he had two hundred bucks and his dad gave him
a copy of the Quran and he left for UCLA,
and like he read it all the time, so like

(27:44):
he really like was a true believer and thought, could
this be the movie that brings our cultures together?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Both times?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, And I read an n PR interview where he
said it was he felt like it was his obligation
to tell the truth of like about Islam, and he yeah,
like you said, Sam, he was super passionate about it
and really hopeful that this would kind of turn things around.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
But as far as it's interesting, it's interesting that he
he made like he wanted to make a movie that
brought people together, and.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Like Sam Peckinpot was his mentor, I can't think your mentor.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, I mean he obviously loved Lawrence of Arabia. He
was going out there. Anthony Quinn. Actually the score for
The Messenger was nominated for an Academy Award because he
got the same composer from Lawrence of a Radio.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
And then he before he died, he was trying to
make a movie with Sean Connery about Saladin and the
Crusades would.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Be shot Jordan. It was like an eighty million dollar budget.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
He also got involved with almost got involved with Cannon
because he tried to buy Pinewood from the Rank organization
which bought Cannon. Later there's it gets nuts when it's
like what is MGM own of Cannon twenty percent? You know,
all these like interconnected companies. But yeah, he was one
of the big moneymen involved with that.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah. And he I mean, he was like very active
up until his death. Yeah, sadly he passed away in
two thousand and five, seventy five years old. Yeah, he
and his thirty four year old daughter traveled to Jordan
for a wedding and when a suicide bomber went into
the Grand Hiatt hotel lobby that they were staying at,
blew the place up. She was immediately killed and he
passed away shortly after in the hospital. So it was

(29:17):
it was like a series of coordinated o kai to
suicide bombs that were happening on and I'm on Jordan.
But super sad because he was kind of a positive,
you know, trying to spread the word of the Islamic
faith and stuff in all countries. But he was a
hard work up until the end, like he was still
going and like a school.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
On a street in his hometown or name backrooms.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
I guess he would always send money back and really
help people back in his native country. You didn't forget
like where he came from, like it was a big
deal to him. So it's it is sad, like I
who knows, you know what else he would have kept making.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I liked it. I always love.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
When directors go into their seventies and keep making stuff
instead of just setting back.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, and I did read that the messenger, like you said,
in his home like it that's like a staple in households.
Like it's kind of like a Christmas story probably in
America or like a bunch of like Christmas vacation. Like
a lot of families watched that movie together.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's I love when countries had that, like Australia and
New Year's Eve, can't stop the music The Village People
movie is like their news what Like that's the craziest thing,
Like who doesn't that? Yeah, it's like the Vancouver is
the only city where Fanmo of the Paradise did well,
So they have like all these like big events for

(30:32):
Faanmom of the Paradise no one else in the world
cares about it.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I do, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I
love it. But I love when like.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Little pockets of the world discovered this because I always think, like,
if you think about it, like when did people start
hating on the movies? Like when The Great Train Robbery
came out, people thought a train was coming out of
the screen to kill them, right, And then within two
years there were movie critics like, well, this is boring, Like,
but don't you remember when you thought it was sorcery?
Like nah, but this one's bad. Like so when people
find the good in movies like that, I can't stop them. Music,

(31:00):
I think that's that's heartwarming.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Yeah, we're going to try and do that with Appointment
with Fear.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
But Michael, Now, I had a dream about this last
not a waking dream, but I was like, what if
because so many movies you guys bring up end up
getting these boutique releases. Boutique I can't pronounce what's these
these beautiful releases?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Right? Imagine if like you guys.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Have you have your ear or your voice to the
industry like vinegar syndromes, Like you know what, We're going
to pull the trigger on it.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
We've been waiting for the appointment.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
It needs to happen.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, really, I want it to happen.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I mean this is one of those that you know
you had on a previous Blu Ray wish List episode.
I can't remember which movie it was, but you said
the movie.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's my double feature pick for this. Oh okay, I
could say it right now. It's Larry Cohen's Wicked Stuff.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Okay, because yeah, because the special features would be like
the draw for it. Really it's like all of the
making of everything behind it, and it's like, yeah, sure,
watch the film if you want, say, on the Brink,
and then the commentary and then all the special features.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, I love you even more Leans because I love
Wicked Stepmother because Michael Greer from Messiah Veheble is the
voice es.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I learned that from actually reading your review and after
I watched it.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, and I'm like, wow, like it connects so many
it's like a nexus point of like you know, like
all these people I love are in this. And also
my favorite movie troupe is whenever somebody has to show
a picture of themselves and it's their publicity picture. Whenever
they show Lionel Standard's.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Wife and and it's what's your and uh and it's
like wow, like I can't believe they went there, Like
they just used the publicity picture of it, like that's.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Bet Betty Davis just saying that. Fuck all. I'm just
half like, shoot, I mean there's yeah that it's it's
my double feature pick for appointment here. That's a great
one because of like, yeah, I get the whole casting
crew that are still around for interviews, like it'd be
amazing to listen to.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
So yeah, maybe this this will we'll get on there
as well.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
We'll see both of them.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
But yeah, I mean, obviously this is an Alan Smithy film,
so there are many editors involved here. There's a Herbert
els Strock that Sam. Have you chatted with him? He
said no.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
I look him up, and he directed a lot of
fifties horror, The Crawling Hand, The Devil's Messenger, How to
Make a Monster, Blood of Dracula Gog. I was a
teenage Frank, Yeah, yeah, And I was a teenage Frank
as signed and he edited Carnival Souls uncredited Night Screams,
which is after this movie, So that makes sense. And
Donovan's brain so he did a lot of stuff. That's

(33:37):
what blows my mind where he did this. And Mark
Rousenbaum the other editor. He did tons of Sun International
movies like In Search of Historic Jesus, the Bugets would
I have talked to the director of those.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It's coming out pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
One Dark Knight, Breaking for Cannon, Silent Night, Deadly Night,
and Reform Schoolgirls. So both these guys have edited some
great stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Also Unlikely Angel starring Dolly Parton.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh my God, I forgot to bring out.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Weird.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
I love Dolly TV movies like they're my favorite. And
Paul Jessic Coach I'm never gonna pronounce that right. Jessiconis
the other the third editor. He edited the Sonny Bono
drug video, the Sonny Bono How to Do when he
got busted for weed, so he did that, and he
edited the sound editor on Supervan, which is one of

(34:26):
my favorite movies, and the Clonus horror in Star Hops.
So we're talking that's the quality right there, that's where
you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, there's a lot of editors involved, you can kind
of feel it.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
But Herbert Struck did, like, like you said, Gog's a
good movie, Like he has seen movies before, right, I guess.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I feel like Appointment with Fears probably at a state
with what they had there was like you can't let's
turn it into something. Let's make ninety minutes of something.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I feel like Sam mentioned something earlier. I can't remember
if it was recording or pre recording, but like or
people just gave up at a certain point where they
were like I did what I could, and here's you know,
it's not finished yet, and a cod was maybe just
like just fuck it. Just here's a poster. We're gonna
sell it this way and we're done, Like let's move on.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I don't know, let me tell you the theory of
good enough that doesn't work. But what's really weird too
is like some of the folks in it. Like the
other producer is Tom Boutros, and he worked on like
all Charles Pearce's movies.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
He was the editor of Tomy tread at Sundown, Legend
of Chakara.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Bootleggers like Winter Hawk, and then he directed The Hideous
Sun Demon and The Banana Split Stevie Show, which is
what how do you do that?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
And he was the production manager.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I always try to get Night Train to terror into
stuff built your Dan's other big movie is Savage Journey,
which is the story of the history of the Mormons,
and it has almost the entire same cast and crew
as Night Trained to Terror and it's even weirder, if possible.
And he was a production manager on that movie, so
like he had again, he worked on stuff, He did stuff.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
How maybe everyone just had like a talent lapse when
they were working on this film.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I mean, I'm kind of surprised that, like the whole
crew isn't just like edited by Alan Smithy, produced by Alan,
like just boomboo.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
That's a dream movie right there.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I think this would be the closest to that, Honestly.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I don't know if you looked up who shot it,
that's what.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, the cinematographer Nicholas von Sternberg.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
I had fun with him.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, I saw you watched a bunch of his movies, Yes,
I mean he has like the films that everybody seemed
all might pe de Wheat Straw, Tourist, Trap Hospital, Massacre,
even shot gr Bogdanovich's film Texasville, Yeah, which is just
with Jeff Bridges and Sybil Shepherd. What did you watch, Erica?

Speaker 4 (36:46):
I had fun. So I started with Death Drug from
nineteen seventy eight, which is Philip Michael Thomas addicted to PCP.
It's on YouTube. It starts with a disclaimer from Philip
Michael Thomas, who, like you can tell he's very proud
of his performance in this as well he should be,

(37:06):
because he goes off the rails in this. It's a
lot of fun. There's just these crazy moments of him
just like yelling at his dad. There's like there's songs
in it from I should have written down the name
of the band that. There's like performances, like they just
go out to celebrate the fact that he got into

(37:28):
some musical institute program. He's a musician and he ruins
his life because of PCP. Don't do drugs kids, or
do you do you?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Whatever?

Speaker 4 (37:37):
But yeah, and so they go and they dance and
this great music and he's playing the piano and he's
just so fucking excited and life is great. And then
he gets hooked on PCP and everything goes to shit
and and you know it's it's I don't, I don't.
The thing is is like who is this for? Like,
you know, you don't tell kids about PCP? Do you

(37:59):
is this like an adult driven anti drug message movie.
It's so weird.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
What's his what's his gateway drug? Can you start with PCP,
like there's nowhere to go?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:11):
No, his gateway was he was smoking weed and then
he graduated to sharmstick and then it was PCP after that.
So yeah, anyway, I highly recommend it's on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Check it out.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
I watched Out of Sight, Out of Mind nineteen ninety
with Wingshauser. It's basically a gaslighting, you know, driving the
woman crazy type thing. Child dies at the beginning. There's
a serial killer with a great name, the Kabookie Killer,
who wears a kabuki mask and is killing a bunch

(38:47):
of people. This woman's daughter and her lawyer are killed,
and she like can't get over it, and it's kind
of obvious, like what has happened in and who the
villain is. I'm sorry because Wingshauser is in it, and
so you kind of have to know what's going to
happen with it. I still had fun with it, but

(39:08):
there's just not enough wings in it, which I could
say for any movie that has wings Hauser in it.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
And that's great. And Clark, who looks like Stternberg. He
shot a bunch of them.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah, he works with him a lot. Another one was
Final Justice from nineteen eighty five. Okay, Sam, have you
seen this one?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yes, Okay, So you understand that my frustration with this
is that this is like the greatest premise you could
possibly put on paper. You have Jodan Baker who stars
as Texas Ranger Thomas Jefferson Geronimo the Third and he
encounters these Italian mafia guys on the Texas border. He

(39:49):
kills one of them, arrests the other one, and then
somehow a Texas ranger is assigned to extradite him back
to Sicily. But the plane it has to land in
Malta because the Italian guy had some people fuck with
the plane or whatever, so they end up in Malta.
So it's Jodn Baker fish out of water in Malta,

(40:12):
and then from there the movie is just set on
the repeat button because it's like Jodn going after the
Italian guy.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oops.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
He gets arrested by the local cops and you show
him in the prison and then he argues with the
lieutenant and he gets out and the lieutenant wags his
finger and says, don't do that, and then Jodn Baker
still goes after the guy. It's on repeat like that
for the whole movie. And it's really frustrating because I
wanted to love this movie very much.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
How coo would it be if George Eastman was like
the main bad guy?

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Oh my god, stop making it the better movie when
it already lives and I can't fix.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
It now, and his eyes would just be bugging out
of his I must kill Jodan Baker. Also, I love
that we live in a reality where Joe Don Baker
was a sex symbol at one point.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Oh my god, I can't. I just it's the funniest.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
It makes me feel like body type, like I'm in shape,
you know what I mean. So it's like I love it.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
He also did he shot Doctor Alien, which is pretty
wild wacko wacko and joysticks. And then here's the weirdest one.
He was the publicity photographer on One from the Heart.
How do you get that job?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Like? I love that.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I love that movie so much because like everybody's like, oh,
it was so weird that he Cope directed it from
inside a trailer and he didn't see anybody like that's
all directors do today, They like, you know, direct from
afar and do like video assistant stuff. But back then
people are like, oh, this is such a strange way
of doing movies. Yeah, Josepha on Stenberg's like it was
like a weird like unlock of like he did Down

(41:38):
on Us, the movie about the all the young rock
singers that die early. It's like an early conspiracy movie. Uh,
he did that. He shot that too, about the twenty
seven Club, right, and how it was like a yeah,
conspiracy that of course it was that had happened, like
all these movies like the Sun International movies or Sun

(41:58):
Classics movies and those. It's so weird because today those
are just basic cable, but back then people had to
go to the theater and see them.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
So I have one more crew member to talk about,
unless you guys have any more, but the composer. I'm
probably gonna butcher her name, but Andrea Saparov. She's still working.
She's doing a lot of commercial work as well as
arranging and releasing her own albums. I looked her up.
She's on Spotify, YouTube, all the streaming services. Has five
albums out there, most of them I listened to them

(42:25):
quite a bit. Actually, they're like two and a half
three and a half minute little just instrumentals that sound
like they're made for scoring, so you can get kind
of lost in them. But she did a lot of
TV work, like I said, commercials, She did Matlock series
for a couple of years, the paranormal series Sightings from
the early nineties.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oh wow, Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
She did the original score for Out Outside the Law
in two thousand and two, which starred Cynthia Rothrock. And
like I said, I was listening to her movie or
listening to her music, and as I was interneting her,
her site popped up and I went I went ahead
and contacted her, and she emailed like an hour later,
which was really awesome. But you know, I asked her,
like if she had any recollection or memories of working

(43:09):
with Ramsey Thomas or Mustafa cod or anything about Appointment
with Fear that she could share, and she said that
it was like so long ago when she composed this,
that she had very little recollection of the production. But
she remembers scoring the film using a Fairlight CMI, which
was the first computer SyncE introduced in nineteen seventy nine.

(43:31):
Which is interesting. She calls herself a musical nerd, very experimental,
and you hear that in her records. She said she
did have a creative meeting while spotting the film with
Ramsey Thomas, but she couldn't recall him playing any tip
music that he liked for her, or even making any
music suggestions other than just saying keep it in the
horror genre, which you know, she said she had a

(43:54):
lot of help with from the musical supervisor from Appointment,
which was John Caper June and I looked him up
and he was, you know, he's been working in films
for you know, decades and decades working as a music editor, supervisor, producer.
I'm talking Walter Hills, The Warriors, RoboCop two, the Muppet Movie,
The Ninth Configuration, Cheech and Chong's next movie. So she

(44:17):
was like, I was in really good hand. He was
a music coordinator for Tony Garnett Steep in the Heart,
which was interesting absolutely, I mean, he's a pro in
the music departments. And then I asked her about the songs,
the original songs and Appointment with Fear, because there's like
three of them that really pop up and kind of
stand out yeah. She said that she recalled co writing

(44:37):
one song she thought was called Love Beyond Reason, but she's, actually,
I looked up Love Beyond Reason and that's by a
Randy stone Hill, and she's like, I think Denver Smith
sang the song and he's actually on synthesizer on that
Love beyond Reason. The song she was talking about was
called Love for the Moment, which Denver Smith wrote, and

(44:59):
that's the scene where Carol and Bobby are playing hide
and Seek and they're getting ready to.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Fuck, because that's for play.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah. And then the other songs are called Measure of Fear,
which is the song when Ruth is eating the cheese
on the couch when she gets to that house. That's
written by Christopher McGee and sung by Celeste Alexander. And
then the big song, the whole dance number Flashmob scene,
is called Everywhere at Once, written and sung by Christopher McGee.
But she had no recollection of that song at all.

(45:27):
And then real quickly I asked her if she ever
watched the film and what she thought of it. She
said that she watched it, you know, while she was
composing the score, but it was completely different, obviously from
the released version and that she may have seen it
again for the final mix, but she said, basically, all
I can really remember is a Cod recut the film,
Ramsey took his name off of it, but that they

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did keep her entire score, and she thinks that a
Cod might have asked her to add a few more
cues to his version, but she just said she remembered
the film being fun and qure key. So I thought
it was really nice of Andrew to like take the
time and answer men questions. She was super sweet. I
do recommend if you get anybody's into you know, musical scores,

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which I think a lot of listeners are just like
two and a half, you know, up to four minute segments,
check out her work because it's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
She doesn't have this movie listen on her site, so
I'm glad that she talked about it. I was worried
that she wouldn't want to bring it up, so that
makes me feel better.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I'm going to probably close out one of I onways
had it with one of her songs, Okay, awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
I only had one other crew member was Bruce Meade,
one of the writers who rarely wrote. He wrote the
Rebel Highway those Corman remake shows. He did the remakeer
Reform Schoolgirl for Showtime, and he plays a cop in this.
And he was second unit on a lot of films
like in Cold Blood, Broke Down, Pallace, Return a Swamp Thing,

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and the Alice Cooper video for He's Back from the
Friday of the Thirteenth video, So, which is a weird.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
How do you have that credit?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:59):
How does the writer of the movie doing Alice Cooper video?
But there you go, cool, Bruce.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Meat any other cast crew members?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
No crew members.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Now, let's shup it in to the cast real quick.
So there's some recognizable faces in here. It starts with
the lead Michelle with one l Little who I guess
she plays kind of the final girl of sorts in
this Carol. I think she's so adorable, Michelle Little. She's cute,
she's I think to me, I feel like she could
have been in a ton of like eighties like horror films.
But she retired. She retired. She quit acting pretty early.

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She only acted for about ten or eleven years. She
quit in nineteen ninety five to raise a family. But
her first acting credit was in nineteen eighty four playing
Rusty Mars and Albert Pune's Radioactive Dreams. But she don't
like that film.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
I know it's me, that's the thing. Like, I know.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
It's I like the idea of that movie.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, it's no doll Man, It's no doll Man.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Okay, it's just with all of Peon's films, I just
I know it's me. It's just it's me. Like one
of these days they're going to click for me.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
At least there's a few, like I've had a few
of them click really well, like Meme Guns is pretty good, okay,
and a few other other ones that are I'm like,
oh yeah, like I get what he's going for. Other
ones like Cyborg. I remember seeing it and I just
never liked it. Yeah, I know, I love it and
I loved Van dam movies, but yeah, it just doesn't work.
But I know that that one got back to pieces too.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
All right.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Well, I don't feel bad now.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I mean, I love I've already talked about a doll
Manton Thomerson and his Nemesis is amazing too. I even
like the Captain America did.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, But anyway, Michelle Little I watched a few of
her films i'd never seen before. There was a Canadian
thriller called Blood Clan from nineteen ninety. Okay, it's it's slow,
but I was thoroughly entertained, completely, you know, completely in
the mood for something like this because you know me
in the nineties blue light thrillers. It's very much what
it is. She plays a woman who was adopted at

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a very young age after her cannibalistic family are killed
by a bunch of soldiers in in Scotland, and as
she gets older, she starts learning about her real family.
People are showing up dead in the village she lives in,
and some people that know her backstory believes it's her.
It's based on the true story of Katie Bain, which

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is Little's character in this, like Katie Bane from like
the eighteen hundreds, of late eighteen hundreds, like a well
known Scottish cult late leader apparently. But again I think
it has a terrible ending. But like I said, I
was in the mood for it, so I didn't hate it.
It does have a child kill Erica put that's steerless.
About forty minutes in, a little boy named Timmy is

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murdered cut open by a knife, his heart is removed.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
It's a blood clan.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Blood clan, Yeah, from nineteen ninety and it also mentions
another child killed, but they don't mention the kid's age.
I watched one of her movies called Sweet Revenge from
nineteen eighty seven. This was a Corman produced action starring
Nancy Allen and Martin Landau. Oh yeah, it sounds great
and if any like perverted listeners want to see Michelle
Little naked, of course it's a Corman produced film, so

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she is naked in there along with Gina Gershon.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
I always joke that his trick was like, oh, we
have foreign investors and they want to see you naked,
exactly like in Planet Galaxy of Terry's like this foreign
investor paid a million dollars to see you get assaulted
by a worm, so you have to do it. So
just get under it. And they're like, but like, do
you want this movie to get made? And everybody's a
Coveratri Parlement was so good to women pleasy.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, and then the I think we already talked about
the image from My Demon Lover. I had never seen
it before. From nineteen eighty seven. I watched this. I
guess this is probably Michelle Little's biggest performance, or she's
the lead in it. She's the suppressed woman named Denny
who she just can't find a nice guy. And this
creepy guy, Kaz shows up, who whenever he gets horny,

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he turns into these different monsters like you see in
that image, and he murders women. So Michelle Little's character
starts falling for her, starts falling for him. She sees
he's a monster, but she wants to help, and the
cops are looking for him at this point because he's
a murderer. But I have no idea who this movie
is made for, because you hate all the characters.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
It's terrible for It's for teenage girls that had a
crush on Scott Valentine from Family Ties.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
That's it, Okay, Yeah, But I saw it when it
came out and I have not rewatched it since nineteen
eighty seven. Fifteen year old B was like, Scott Valentine's awesome,
and he has a lot here and like and he
turns into a demon.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
This movie is awesome, And I'm sure if I would
see it with old person eyes, I'd be like, what
was I thinking?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, because yeah, she's such a defeated character, like she's written,
it's not a good light on it. You know.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Any as you learn.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
More about relationships than get older, you're like, oh, this
is a bad relationship, Like this is just depressing, Like
he's a killer and she doesn't realize like I've seen enough.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Lynn Shaye pops up as a super bitchy waitress, which
was kind of funny and some of the practical effects
are good. But yeah, it's this is one movie I
really don't recommend. I do think Michelle Little is fun
in it, but yeah, that's about it. I mean there's
other roles that she's had out there. Out of bounds
starring Mike Anthony Michael Hall. Yeah, you see that.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
That was his big like I'm going to try to
be not the nerd character and the gonna be a football.
This is when he started getting on steroids and was like, allegedly,
I'm not going to get sued by Anthony Michael Hall
evil does tonight and he just started getting big, the worst,
the absolute worst, so upsetting. This is the same person

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that gave that tearful speech about the flare gun that
he brought to school and brought everybody together in the
Breakfast Club is also the Anthony Michael Hall that's as
Able does Tonight, Life's weird.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Speaking of the Breakfast Club that Mikey or Michael how
you say his same? Wiley Wile who plays Bobby in
this Yeah, he wants to be Bender from Breakfast Club
so bad?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
He's in a ton of teen movies and just never
like not the leads though.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Fast Time at Richmond High, Valley Girl, Tough Turf. I
wanted to watch that when we cover Jacks Back. Oh yeah,
it's good, it's good. I need to watch that one.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, he was in a lot of TV series two
Nash Bridges, Diagnosis Murder. Yeah, he looks very familiar, but
I just really it's hard to pinpoint. But he's a
great little side character in those movies. We have Carrie
Remsen who plays Heather. She's the mind who finds and
keeps the baby during the whole movie. Probably best known
as Maggie from Pumpkinhead. She's in Albert Vans Goolies too,

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where she plays she's the star. She's like the love
interest and sadly not a leading lady at all. I
don't find her captivating. She's just kind of bland. She
has small roles on Night Roynold Street two, that Printhology
After Midnight.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, I love her makeup in this though.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, she's like Chris from a Blade Runner, Like what's yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
In nineteen eighties, Sam, when I was like, when I
grow up, all girls are going to have makeup like Chris.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, that was my dream that my girls were all
gonna have that punk rock look, right, And.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Like, no, it never and it doesn't. It's not again,
it's another question that's left hanging. It's not explained. I
don't know if you'll notice. But the flash Mob they
have the same type of by paint too. About that
flash Mob.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
She looks like Gem in the Holograms. Yeah, yeah, like
or she's not ready to be in the Misfits, who
are always cooler, but you know she's that's the worst thing.
You guys didn't see the Gem movie.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
I hope right, I didn't know. I didn't see the movie.
I had the I had the pizazz Doll when I
was a kid.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Though my wife is as as I am the g
I Joe, my wife is the Gem, and so we
had to go see it. We were the only two
people in the entire theater. So we both sat in
separate rows. And at the end, like Kesha shows up
as the leader of the misfits, and like that's what
we wanted to see for the entire movie, Like we
don't care about I hate these movies.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Like here's Gem's origin, I don't care. Just do it,
like I don't.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I don't need to know that she's a girl who
gets a big on Instagram, Like I don't care about that.
I just want to see, like girl bands fight, Like
isn't that the fun? The fun of Gem? But none
of that's in there. Yeah, but that's why I liked
Heather the most. Other than Kowalski. He's probably my favorite character.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, Douglas Rowe plays Roe plays Kowalski, the goofy detective.
He's in mc garris's Critters too, playing Quickly. He watched
one of his movies.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
I watched The Legend of Black Charlie. I will not
use the other title film, but if you want to
look it up, that's the poster. I'm not saying it
on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
How is Fred Williamson in it?

Speaker 4 (55:22):
He's good, he plays Yeah, he's younger in this, so
he's okay running around riding a horse. So it's basically
about Charlie, who is he's granted his freedom by his
slave owner. But when he I think the slave owner's
brother or son or somebody tears up his freedom letter

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and so he beats him up and then goes on
the run, and now he's got a bounty hunter after him,
and he gets Darvell Martin and I can't remember the
other people that go along with him, but they leave
and they're just you know, going around and helping other people.
And it's good. It's not, you know, my favorite up there,

(56:06):
but I think it's worth watching. It was on Canopy,
of all places, so it was not under the title
that you don't want to pronounce out loud on Canopy.
It was under the legend of a.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Guest on our show kept trying to get me to
say the order of title. He's like, what's that? What's
the other title of that movie? Saund like, I don't know,
I'm not going to say.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
It a weird thing to try to get you to say.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, I know, I'm like, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah? We have Norman, the homeless man who lives in
the bed of Carol's Truck played by Danny Dayton, and
he's popped up in a lot of small, small roles
throughout his long career. Tim Burton's ed Wood, he plays
a sound guy, plays mister Snotgrass and rock and Roll
High School Too, or rock and Roll High School Forever
with Queen Warnoff. He was in Guys and Dolls in

(56:51):
nineteen fifty five. I watched one of his earlier movies
from nineteen fifty two, called The Turning Point. He plays
the sketchy mobster. It's a really great little NOI our
type film starring a what's saying William Holden, a lot
of fast talking gangsters, great ending. Neville Brand unexpectedly showed up.
I didn't know he was in it, and he played

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like as his cocky hit man, and I was like,
fuck yeah, perfect HI.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Rating, that sounds great. What's the name of that movie.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
It's called The Turning Point.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I'm going to wreake that down.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I forgot if I watched on YouTube. It might even
have been on TV. But it's a great one, really good.
Attis probably the most boring character. Emotionless terminator of a
Killer is played by Garrick Dowen. He was in a
film that you watched I saw Erica called Land of
Doom from nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Yeah, it's one of those Matt Max ripoff post apocalyptic
movies where everyone's dressed like Judas Priest.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Right, great poster though it does.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
It has a really good poster, but it doesn't live
up to the poster.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
No, I remember being so let down compared to the poster. Yeah,
because it looks like a Judas Priest poster.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
But he was also in Days of Our Lives. Got
to shout that out, I see. Yeah. And then some
of the smaller character roles on Appointment with Fear.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
You have Mike.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Gomez who plays Little Joe, who I guess is a
patient there. At first I thought he might have been
like a janitor, but he's the one who's telling Kowalski
all about the Attis history and needing to kill his baby.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Ok. But Gause, he really does have long arms.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. People might recognize him though from The
Big Lebowski where he plays the coppers all leads. Yeah, sure,
I'll check. I'll check with the boys done with the
crime line or crime lab leads. They got us working
the ships Debra Vor He's plays Ruth, one of the
friends of Heather and Caro, Carol who she's quickly murdered
after eating a block of cheese.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Right, why is that cheese out there so long? Like
someone eats it later? Like that cheese.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, Carol shows up.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
And she's going to cut a piece of cheese. She's
going to cut the cheese and then work.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah, and doesn't do it, but there's already cut pieces of.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Cheese and then she stops. It's like, it's like twenty
seconds on that she picked.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
There's more time spent on that cheese decision than anything else.
That doesn't make sense. I've rewatched it afterwards because I'm like,
did that really happen?

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Did she really dropped it? Because I wonder if they
just dubbed over that, and.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
You know, and like Mustapa Cod was like, no, pick
up the cheese, that's already God, yeah, they had back on.
That's why the Blu Radians have come out so we
can see that.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Uh, then we have what we have the other frand
Samantha's playing by Pamela Bach who's the haws ex wife.
She she died. She was Cowboy's girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Uh. And then we have Uncle Phil himself, James Avery,
who you know plays Connors, Who's I guess the cop
who's looking over the sleeping attis. He just kind of
disappears from the movie altogether after seeing him glowing or something. Yeah,
everybody knows who James Avery is. I love his voice
acting work. Shredder and the original team and Tea was
hul Cogan and the in Hogan's Rock and Wrestling in

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the mid eighties. He's such a great guy. I wish
he was used more in this movie. Maybe he was originally,
but yeah, the I mean the cast in Appointment with Fears
kind of a fascinating little time capsule when you look
at it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, there's three other weird ones.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
I don't know if you got the Missus Pearce is
Charlotte spear from Planet of Dinosaurs movie, a movie that
got re edited in like twenty other movies. The Old
Man's Hugo Stranger who was Old Bill and Beetle Juice,
and he's also in Vice, Squads and Joysticks. All his
roles are Old Man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Yeah, and my favorite was the MIM's name is Ilanga.
She is I looked up I did a huge internet
sort trink a whole day because I was like, I'm
going to find alonga and have some info about her
to bring to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Nothing, it's a cipher.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, I did that to you, Sam, because I'm whenever
I see a one, you know named like person in
the cast, like in the credit in closing credits, I'm like, Okay,
who is that? Usually it's like the hairdresser or something,
and I'll look him up and nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
She's no Kapushine, who's in You get a lot out
of her name? And then I don't know if you
got Brioni Farrell. She's from The Student Nurses, which is
one of my favorite of the Nurse Cycle movies. And
she was Tula and Return of the Archons, a really
important Star Trek episode. But she's one of the moms.
She's the mom that I think. She's the mom that
is like, oh my boyfriend has this really cool place.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Oh yeah, she's a odd character that yeah. I mean
all these characters.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Heather's mom, right, and she is and she doesn't. It
takes her to the end of their conversation to be like,
oh are you babysitting again? And not the first question
out of her mouth being are you babysitting again? Or
why do you have this random.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Baby when obviously her son, her baby died. Yeah, I
think it's hinted at that, like drowned.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
I think yeah, so fifty one minutes and I time
stamped it because I was like, okay, I got to
confirm with Sam and Lance, there's a dead kid in this.
So Heather's younger brother apparently drowned in the bathtub, because
Carol makes a comment later when she sees the baby
and is like, oh, he kind of looks like your brother.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Oh sorry, I forgot that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I'm assuming because it again no no answers or no
questions or answered.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
All right, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
And why does she have like the rubber ducky like
floating around the house like to remind her all the time,
like she's stepping on it like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Throughout the house, and it transported from the time of
the boy's death to then I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Know, the boys soul into the duck. Yeah, there you go,
comes up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
And harrassed her and she must get rid of the
duck to raise her past trauma.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Or maybe atis is like you know, doing this you know,
he's turning into the duck in some weird form to
hound her take.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
People are so cool with this baby being around, like
they're they're basically having a sex party, right pretty much. Yeah,
It's like if this was chopping will, they'd all go
to a furnisure store and soft sway in a furnishure store.
Seeing that I still think about once a day, But like,
why are They're.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Like, oh, the babies are at the cabin.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
She's like, can I keep it for another day? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Go ahead, Yeah, I showed up at a party with
a baby. People like what is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Yeah, but they just laid around too. They just put
it in the car seat, you know, with not strapped,
and they lay it on the bed and walk away.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Yes, it's just the fact that she takes it in
the first place, a woman who is sitting on a
port dying from a stab wound and is just like, cool,
I'll take this baby.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Well, yeah, I think that's why that even though it's
not specifically you know, laid out that she's so her
brother's death is what's causing her to do this, Like
her baby brother's seth Like it's kind of like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Then set that up before takes the fucking baby. Oh
my god, basic editing storytelling, come on. Movie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Also, when the mom gets stabbed, she's so nonchalant about
getting I've never seen anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Going okay, yeah, yeah, she's like all right, and then
she's just also, there's no car seat for that baby,
so I thought you would be kind of excited, like yeah,
just throw that baby in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
The right just just driving and staring at it, and
like staring at the baby where she could have a
sudden stop and that baby just flies into the dash.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
It's just an eerson thing. Just makes no sense because
like she's driving away from Addis and she stops at
this house. She knocks on the door. We don't know
why she's there. And then she goes and puts the
baby in the bushes and just sits there and waits
for Adas to show up and stab her again, has
no reaction. And then she tells some random fucking mime
stranger with blue eye makeup, here take my baby, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, so here's a theory of mine. The flash mob,
like Norman, they're kind of like, you know, because Norman
talks to God. He's the homeless guy. Uh yeah, and
he talks to God, and God's talking back to him
in some weird form. But spoiler, Horman. Norman gets decapitated,
and I feel like God sent down on the flash
mob to plant that weird flag pole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Huh it's a maple, right, because it's yeah, it's got.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
The ribbons, yeah yeah, and he and uh, they all
have that blue painted face stuff. So maybe the mom
who gives Heather the baby thinks she's some sort of
angel because she has the blue face. That's that's my theory.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Boom, could could you convince somebody that this movie is
albeated horror? And I say yes, because it's got a
maypole like Midsummer, It's got weird stuff that happens for
no reason, and you're like, this is what he really met,
like my rubber duck explanation.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
People like he was a genius. Like this movie is
must be discovered. My first note says, this opening is
so fucking basic. It's just like slide images from from
Egyptian like hieroglyphics. It looks like you're about to watch
like a National geographic special. You have no clue that
you're about to be dropped into a woman getting stabbed

(01:05:56):
by a dude in a van.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
It does not prep you at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, that whole opening scene is crazy, like Kuwalski hitting
the lady's cart and then you know the cops stopping him.
Did you guys notice to he called the cop a
dork as he was walking on. I can't help that woman, dork.
Just that whole opening scene is when I knew, like, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking love this movie. Okay, yeah,

(01:06:19):
it doesn't make sense. It's all about the cast. Yeah,
I mean, the play has no meaning, but you fall
and let Everybody is so committed and they're memorable characters.
That's why I like all these, you know, small roles.
I wanted to go over some of the actors because
they're just all memorable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
And my theory is like this is all the second
tier characters getting their own movie. Like if Ducky was
the lead in the movie, this is it. They're all like,
you know, the weird, quirky people that get pushed to
the background, right like a Crispin Glover role, Like they're
the lead in this. And it's like, okay, we have
a mind girl, a girl who's really into audio, surveillance,

(01:06:57):
and a guy homemlest guy who lives in the back
of the truck, and a guy who has a motorcycle.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
That that's a perfect way to put it. All these
side characters get their own movie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, they get their own quest. They're not NPCs anymore.
They're the leads, and like, here's what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
My theory is more so that this is a here's
what we have movie where it's like, we have a
I forgot what it's called, but it's in your review, Sam,
the recording device like John Travolta hasn't blowout. What's called, Yeah,
a parabolic mic, thank you. We have a parabolic mic.

(01:07:34):
We have a motorcycle with a sidecar. We have a
mannequin someone said we could use their baby. And we
have this abandoned house or house that's vacant in the
middle of nowhere in the desert with.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
A bunch of dolls.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
We have a bunch of This is an improv movie.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
It is, thank you. This is exactly where I'm going.
This is an improv movie of like we had here,
we laid it out. This is like a yard sale
movie where all these things are strewn about the lawn,
and a cod drives by, and it's like, wait a minute,
wait a minute, let me grab all this shit and

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we'll figure out how to make a movie out of this.
And like, I see there's a raccoon in the trash.
Can bring that raccoon too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
There's an owl up there in the tree. Get a
shot of that. Yeah, but let's do it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Let's do a nod to blow out and record the
owl hooting Like yeah, if that's the case, it makes
this movie much more impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Is it that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Or is it the Ramsey got taken advantage of by
actors who were sick of playing second bananas and they're like,
do you know like actors.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Always want to get stuff in?

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Is like they're little acting things like the one kid
Bobby was like, I mean, what if what if I
had a mannequin that I took everywhere with me and
I was in love with her and I got in
fights with people about it. And Ramsey was like, Okay, yeah,
that's I've never directed a movie before. I guess that's
how actors do stuff. And the other girl's like, I'm
gonna paint my face blue and he's like I love it.

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And then finally off the side. He was like, what
the fuck did you do? Film? And he's like, I
got to try to save this thing, and then he
went back and shot it. I like your idea better,
But I think all these things could be true.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
I think all I think all of our theories are true,
that this is an elevated yard sale actors taking advantage movie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yeah, we've talked about Kowalski being ur like my favorite character.
Do y'all have favorite characters in this or is it
just every just everybody?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
The raccoon Norman's my favorite because he's so positive, Like
for where his life's at, he's living in the back
of a Mazda and talking to God like it seems
like he should be a tragic out outside of Splorer
weren't getting his head cut up. He's very positive and
he also is like a servant for these.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Kids as sweet. I always wanted to help their cars
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Yeah, yeah, he's like, y, I'll do that, And he's
dressed so nice for being an almost person. He has
like an he really feels like a David Lynch character
that wandered in from one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Of his movies and like, oh, is this the wrong set?

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Okay, Well, I'll just play this part in your movie
and everybody's cool with it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Yeah, he gave me George Burns vibes two from Ogad
You Devil sometimes the way he was talking and like
I was like, okay, so sort of that's where the
Guardian angel I kind of popped in.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
He kind of talks like a sitcom character that looks
at the camera. He's like, well, yes, this is what
I'm doing. I'll do the Qualsky's like that too, because
like he like he should have slide whistle noises like whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah, he's absolutely my favorite. When one of my favorites
is when he randomly I think he's talking to Connors
James Avery when he's talking about his dream. A red
pigeon was desperately trying to stop a clock from reaching
twelve by attacking it again and again. A bat flew
out and killed the pigeon, only to become impaled on
the hands of the clock as it struck midnight. What

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the fuck? And then he casually says, it's unfortunate, so civilized.
Otherwise I'd cut your throat and be done with it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Yeah, And that part, like I like was like, am
I watching the same movie that switched.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
They they had to have added so many like you know,
gone back and done a bunch of like voiceovers and
posts because a lot of there's a lot of scenes
where you can tell like these the dialogue is added later,
it's very strange.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Why does she put the baby in a bush?

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Like from the dead from what.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Were the worst hide? She's like, oh here, it just
drops the baby in a bush.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Yeah, I think you know. I think you mentioned, you
know before we started recording Sam that this is like,
this isn't made by aliens movie because there's so many
things in it where you when you walk away with
this many questions and you ask like why are people
doing things? Like I understand that happens. And even in

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stories that are told competently and where you're like, wait,
why did someone do that? And those are more like
sort of plot hole things. This is just one of
those things where like it does have that made by
aliens feel to it, because we never get explanations for
why anyone does anything, or the conversations that are happening,
like none of the dialogue means anything, Like Kowalski and

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Joe are talking at one point and he says like
are you going out on the streets. They scare me
and it's like what, why?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Who?

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
What? What does that have to do with anything? The
may pole? How does Carol or anyone who's telling I
can't remember who tells her to stab him? How does
Kowalski know? Do you use the maypole?

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Because little Joel told him something about piercing something I
feel because he kept saying piers or something.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Okay, well fine, but like, where are you going to
get the question? These things together?

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
It doesn't make.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Anti Chekhov's gun movie, Thank you, like that parabolic mike.
You're surely this is going to play into into it.
And like she has all these guns and someone says earlier,
you're really good with guns.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
None of that matters.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Yes, she pulls her first instinct when she meets Addis
is to light him on fire. And then she gets
a huge fucking gun.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
She gets like an AK forty seven or so. She
pulled it out twice. When that happened, I was howling.
I was like, holy shits, such.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
That gun came from another It's also like that alien thing,
like if you're saying last American virgin, the canon guys
that already filmed that as lemon popsicle. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
So when they brought it the parts of it to
America to make Last American Virgin, there's parts where they're like, oh, yeah,
we'll just put in some American music and stuff and
it'll make sense at the end, Like he brings her
an orange tree to tell her he loves her, and
like that's a major thing in their culture in Israel.
In America, nobody knows why he brings her an orange tree,
and it's like, what the fuck, what do you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
And you know that they go on Globe's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
For like, oh, it makes sense, it's lovely, it's beautiful,
and it's like that's what this feels like. Oh, of
course everybody knows about Addis, King of the Woods, and
they know that he needs to be stabbed by a
maple and we'll build the dramatic tension at the end
for that. And you're like, nobody knows about this Egyptian god.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Yeah, nobody, nobody knows that. And then like getting back
to your like check off point, the dolls that they
keep showing them, and then when Carol tries to use
like one of them as a decoy and wraps it
up and then Adams just walks out with the actual baby,
and I'm like, why why do we set that up
for no payoff? Like this movie like set up, set up, payoff.

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It's basic shit not happening in this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Somebody somebody sawe Alla and like they always have these.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Weird dolls and just throw a scene and it works
and those Yeah, because thematically it works in those movies,
and this like this is like me trying to make
uh a lasagna that has.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Swedish fish in it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
There's stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
They were like, what, I guess it works, it doesn't.
The other note I had for the first scene was
it just had fartsynth and that's all because it sounds
like there's one scene where it's like is there walking around?

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Yeah, some of I mean some of the score, Like
I already talked about the score from Andrea, but there's
a scene where they she walks into the library. I
guess Carol walks in the library to talk to Ruth,
her friend Ruth, and it's just this overlapping, tense melody
that's kind of out of place for the whole movie. Yeah,

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some of the score work is really great. The chase
when Kowalski's chasing Bobby on the on this little motorcycle
and sidecar that sounds like something from like Smoking the
Band or so it's all danger and it's like it's
just very odd, very strange music.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
I think they were like, we just need some thematic
music for this, like how she writes those three minute
kind of things now, and like we need a chase theme.
I mean, and you're not going to get to see
the movie until you do the music, and this is
just kind of what we need.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
And yeah, I mean they've answered the assignment a lot
of times, but the assignment is just weird, Like it
feels like an exquisite corpse thing like that they handed
parts of the movie to other people that weren't seeing
the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Yeah, and it kind of came together like that. I
also wrote the defund the horror movie police. Defund the
Jallo police, I always say, because they're the worst. Like
he's worse than any Jallo cop, Like he's just basically
just walking around nobody's rights are considered, Like he's just
throwing tracking devices in everybody's cars. The tracking device sounds

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like a submarine, Like how does it work? There's no
visual it starts beeping louder. When he's in the earth,
I'm like, you're in la Like we think right, yeah,
and like and it's like, how are you going to
track somebody like that? This seems like the worst plan.
And like I like how he goes up and talks
to them and he like just casually throws it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yeah, like you're not Like Spider Man used to do
it and it would stick under the bumper and nobody
saw it. Like that's the right way to do it.
This is the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Yeah. Coals's so great. I mean him running out of
gas while he's chasing at us, that's just another scene
like well it's all come on, what like tossing a cigarette.
As soon as the very beginning, when he misses the
bucket tossing a cigarette, I was like, I love this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
He's there's nobody in this movie that is a focal point.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Is another problem with it? Like who is our protagonist?

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Like there's several of them, and then they introduce other
people just to die, Like the one girl that cuts
the cheese, Like, yeah, yeah, she shows up, she carves
a piece of cheese, shows some side boom jumps in
a pool and then matter of factly gets stabbed, and
then after that there's like a kaleidoscope of cuts where
we get like baby doll head like side of the building,

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like statue, and it's like it's like an editing toward
a force.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
It doesn't match anything else in the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
It's just like a scene or I think they're like, well,
you know, we need a body count and slashers and
we probably need to see someone naked, so this scene
will keep the maniacs, losers whatever you call like sated,
because you know you need to have a couple of kills.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
But it doesn't it doesn't fit in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
I have all my notes on this are just like
why why does Carol have a long range microphone?

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Why does Norman live in the back of a truck?

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Why does Bobby have a man can then decide and
I start feeling like Captain Kirk and Star Trek five.
I don't know if you've ever suffered through that movie,
but like, you know how like when they finally get
to find God in space, uh, and and like everybody's like,
oh my god, it's so great We're getting to meet God.
And of course William Shatner is like, I have a question,
why does God need a starship? And everybody gets mad

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at him. It's the great it's the most perfect Captain
kirk Line ever. Like, if a killer can leave his body,
why does he need a fucking van to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Drive around in?

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
He should be able to just teleport anywhere, Like, he
doesn't need this white van.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
That's that's I guess that again. That's like a cursive,
that's a Halloween callback. I feel like he's he's an
escape from a mental institution, a mental hospital, and he's
driving or like it. Yeah, I feel like he's pulling. Yeah,
there's no there's no logic here, no none. And we
haven't really talked specifically about the dance scene because it

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is very memorable. It's like literally five minutes long, and
theyde this flash while pops out and just starts dancing.
I was like, what that scene you already mentioned kind
of twin peaks David Lynch characters. That's the scene that
really got me because it starts off with this really
you know, funny song, uh you know, lyrics are being
sent and then that's fading out while this really eerie

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kind of synth note is just holding and drowning everything out.
And that's what it kind of makes it felt like
a David Lynch world because he kind of creates these
worlds where you they're humorous, very weird, you're kind of
settling in, but then they get so weird that they're
scary and you're it's unsettling. And that's what it feels like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
The movie is heating up exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Action is about to happen, like you know what this
movie needs five minutes of the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
You know that works in Bollywood movies, Let's try it
in our movie. Yeah, one, what does Heather put on
a mime show for her scene? Now grandparents in the
beginning anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
That couple is so funny. He's like, who has a
birthday party this early?

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Just?

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
I mean true, it is true.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
I love their their conversation like and you also get
to hear it later because she recorded it. Yes, in
my review, I compared her to like the band Negative Land.
They have a member called the weather Man, and like
he recorded everything for his entire lives. He walked around
with the micro like this, and he wired his mom's
entire house.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
So like there's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Songs of Negative Land, songs of just his mom talking
about nothing that show up in the middle of the
song and like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
That's who she is, Like, she's just recording stuff. And
even he says the guy says to her at one point,
he's like, Bobby says, like, why are you doing all this?
Why are you recording all this? They have that moment
where they're both like or She's like, you know, you
drink all the time. Why He's like, so, don't kill myself.
I'm like, oh my god, yeah, he gets it. This
is my character. And he and she's like, he's like, yeah,

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well I dream all the time. Why do you record everything?
And she's like just so that I you know, she
doesn't really have an answer for it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Yeah, And it's like does.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
The story writers couldn't even come up with an answer.
They're like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
A normal movie would say, oh, like she's recording everything
because she wasn't paying attention when her brother drowns, so
now she's over paying attention and analyzing things again. I'm
trying to make the elevated version of this, the Neon
one that comes out next year. Appointment with the remake.
It's not a remake, it's a reimagining, reimagining that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Yeah, but yeah, it just seems like there's you could
connect the dots, but you have to like write your
own movie to connect the dots.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Absolutely, that's and that's what I love about this movie.
I'm again, you know me, I recommend I would recommend
any movie to anyone. I think it'll be somebody's favorite
movie or somebody will enjoy it hopefully as much as
I do. But what about you guys? Would you guys
not recommend this to people?

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
I think everyone should experience it at least once. Yeah,
I mean I'm not gonna you know, we were not
a point in laugh podcast, you know, and so this
isn't something I would want, fucking like, how did this
get made? You know, to get a hold of because
they're not even like they don't even like actually ask

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that question. They just point and laugh at like everything
that's like weird and off about anyway, if you understand, like,
because we've spoiled nothing, like I hope people like who
haven't watched this movie listen to this because we didn't
spoil anything, like there's no way to do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
That in this first a freeze frame that you guys
have to see to believe.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Yeah, it's just I do. I think it's one of those.
It's it's a curio really yeah, and so I feel
like those should always get some attention, and it will.
It's gonna get some fucking blu ray release within the
next two years.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Ye Fears crossed, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
I can't wait to see the artwork mand Or Syndrome
makes for it. Like it's good to look so rad
you know what I mean. You're like, that's the movie
I want to see. Dyl and I always talk about that.
It's like like the poster that they made for that
movie is so much better than the actual movie, Like
make that movie. Yeah, that's the movie we want to see.
I do have a spoiler though, for the end of
the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
If I can say, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
So like Addis King of the Woods, which I didn't
even mention I did all the research into Addis on
my review. But he's a god who was raised by
a he goat set to marry the daughter of King Midas,
and after their as their wedding song was being sung.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
His wife looked so beautiful. He was so moved by
it that he.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Cut off his penis, and any priest that falls Adis
must do the same and become a eunuch before becoming
a priest. He's also the firegue and god of vegetation
is the act of cutting off his penis as a
reputation representation of fruit which dies in winter only be
reborn in the spring. So I don't know if Addas,
the character in this followed him, but if he's a
priest of him. Yeah, he also has to kill a
baby once a year, So I love that. Like, what

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a cycle to have.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
To go through, right, yeah, respect, you know, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Knew he'd be your favorite, so you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
But at the end, when he gets killed, he turns
into a bag of leaves, and my theory is that's
the one bag of leaves with stuff of cod brought
to Halloween that they had to keep collecting. And he's like, this,
bring the luck to this movie. I have been saving it,
this bag of leaders since nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
That's amazing. Okay, so we're all watching this movie. We
need a cocktail to enjoy? What Sam, You're infamous for
Noah and creating cocktails and having drink recipes for the
you know, the Drive and Asylum double features, and yeah,
what would you make what would you make for a
pointment with fear?

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
This is so simple a sidecar, Yeah, so, but I
change it up a bit because it has to be
a sidecar that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
And so pognac, let's go with like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
An ounce and a half of bourbon, and let's do
an ounce of whatever your favorite orange liquor is. I
like a triple sex. Fine, there's a couple other brands
you can use. And then half an ounce of lemon juice.
And if you want to get fancy to a lemon twist,
basically just shake them all together with ice, strain it into.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
A glass, and just put your twist in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
But I've seen other people do sidecars with a ton
of like sugar rims and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
I don't think you have to get that fancy for
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
And as I said to Eric Gargler, maybe she puts
melody into this trek as well before you watch it,
because it'll probably make this feels like a movie that
if you watch it door on a bat trip, you
would probably never recover.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
You'd be like one of those like dragnet characters that
jumps out of window. Like this movie could really take
you places I think.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I'd be saying he has long arms for the rest
of the while.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
I love that line reading because I guess he really
does have long arms.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
All right, what about double feature picks, Sam, We're gonna
go with you first?

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Oh man, So thematically I have two I said to you, guys, Thematically,
I think that this really feels like boarding house.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, because they're both set.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
We didn't ever get into how wild the house is,
like it's so freaky, and like, both movies kind of
take place in this empty house in the middle of
nowhere with a pool that's really important to it. That
movie also makes no sense, but it makes more sense
than this, Like I thought, isn't it so?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Like yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
And then the other one is a movie that Severn
just put out that I love. The Mummy and the
Curse of the Jackal.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
That movie has a two minute scene where a scientist
tries to explain to a newly reborn Egyptian princess how
to put on a maiden form bra and explains it
and he's never put on a bra obviously, because you know,
guys are horrible with bras, and so he's like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
I don't know why they made them. She's like, this
is so strange. Why would anyone wear it? It's so painful.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
This scene goes on so long, and compared to the
rest of the movie, it's another movie, Like why is
any of this happening? Why is David Carrodine in it?
Or John John Cardin? I mean John Carrodin shows up
and he's like a mummy expert. Where do you find
one of these? It's there's so many weird things in
that movie, so that that one feels like it and like,
I want more people to watch that movie. I can't

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believe that they found a better copy because I've been
watching the Kredi VHS copy I have for years. So
to know that there's, you know, this magical version of
it that came out, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
I would recommend.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Awesome are good? What about you? Erica?

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
One of my first thoughts, this isn't my official pick,
but one of my first thoughts was William Friedkin's The
Guardian from nineteen ninety. It's about an evil dryad or
like tree Nymph, who inserts herself as a nanny and
a home so that she can sacrifice babies and their
souls live in this huge creepy oak tree with baby
faces all over it. I know a lot of people

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don't like this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
I feel like before I went to go or rewatch
it years ago, John framed it for me as like,
think of it as Friedkin's Italian horror movie, and in
that context it totally works. So I would hope that
if anyone hasn't seen it or hasn't seen it for
a while, that they'd give it another shot with that lens.
But my official like double feature pick is the layup answer,

(01:27:48):
and that's Halloween six the Curse of Michael Myers from
nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Its It really is the perfect choice.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
I mean, it's like it was the first one that
came to mind when I was like, Okay, you have
the Halloween connection, you have this like weird movie that's
that the cult and it's just it really does go
with it pretty well. Not as I do think that
your pick too, though, The Wicked step Mother.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Is Yeah, it's a shit show of a film and
then production, like I think it'll it was a Blu
Ray wish list of mine, and it's all the reasons
are the same for appointment with Fear. I want to
I'd like to hear from Malaca Cod and hear what
he has to say about this. I don't know if
I think Ramsey Thomas is still around, I want to
hear what he says, you know, talk to talk to

(01:28:31):
the composer. Let's hear more from her. But yeah, I
was thinking, you know, obviously I'm not going to pick
another Alan Smithy blood Sucking Pharaohs in Pittsburgh. I did
think for a little bit of the kind of a
piece together mess with Donald Pleasants knows Feratu and Venice,
I thought might have might have been a good fit
because I almost feel like what's missing from Appointment with

(01:28:52):
Fear Donald Pleasance, like he would have just fit right
in with his cast. I feel like, isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
It shocking he's not in it? Because I always think like,
did he ever say no to any movie?

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Do you know what I mean? There?

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
I wonder if he was filming something. I didn't look
at what was happening in eighty five, what we was
involved in.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
It might have been in South Africa doing those twenty
first century ones. He did, the Poe movies he did
for them, which are awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Yeah, so yeah, I'm going with Wicked Stepmother. I think
the two together would be fun to watch too. Just
Betty saying peace out halfway through the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Yeah, I have a question for you guys, what what
other actor would have added to this movie?

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
For you? Like? To me like, this needs like what if?

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
As much as I like the cop in it, if
this had like a trying to think of who would
be good?

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Like a stronger leading man, like a John Saxon, maybe
it would be a totally different movie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
I'm never going to say no to John Saxon being
in anything, but yeah, I I feel like who like
one actor that I feel like has the perfect sort
of wizard look to him that could have just shown
up in like a black cloak and delivered some like
monologue that just doesn't fit with the movie at all

(01:30:03):
but does somehow about like what's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Christopher Plumber, Chris Plummer, George buck Flower could have popped out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
George Show.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
He could have been Norman.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
He could have been Norman. Yeah, he would have been great.
Do you like Norman? I do like the Norman?

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Oh my god, George, my Flowers, the perfect How wasn't
he in this like he They're had to be some
kind of bat signal in Hollywood, like making a movie
with the home was in the back of the truck
and he's like, did you call him? Like he's busy?
He's not busy, right, come on, gets somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
I do you think? I mean, as I was watching,
I did feel like Donald Pleasants was missing from this movie.
That's totally I felt that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
I mean a lot of things could have been in
this movie and they weren't. So and that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Yeah, it also feels like for the they did spend money, but.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
It feels really cheap.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Yeah, Halloween six looks like a movie, like as bad
as it is in parts like it there's some nice
shot and it looks good. Like this feels like beyond
straight to video looking. It feels more like boarding house
than other films, Like it looks like like just weird.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Yeah, but that's why I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
I'm so glad that you guys brought this one up because,
like it may reinvigorated my love of this movie watching
it like three times in a row. I don't think
you should think you should recommend it to people. You
should not watch it three days in a row. No, Like, Yeah,
I watched like forty Just Ranco movies in twenty days
once and I've never been the same, and I feel
this is a similar experience.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
I believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Well, thanks for joining us, Sam and just loving the
movie as much as well as much as I do.
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
Love, I enjoy it, and I am confounded by it.
And that's the thing about movies like this is I
like it when something is so off that I feel
something different than just watching a standard predictable movie where
I know what's going to happen, or even like it
doesn't even have to be something predictable, but something we're

(01:32:01):
like I'm very familiar with a director and so I
can anticipate a lot of it or it feels familiar,
or it's like a warm blanket, like this rips the
blanket off of you, and it's like puts the fucking
clockwork orange eye things on you, and is like, look
at it, just look at it and see experience it.
You're we're gonna you know, we're not gonna put eye

(01:32:23):
drops in here. We're putting LSD in your eyes and
see what that does to you. So I appreciate being
given a different movie watching experience for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
This is why I love your Guys show. I'll fanboy
out for a second.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Like, one of the reasons I love your show is like,
it's so easy if you look at all the other
people that post stuff on YouTube and stuff to shed
all over this movie. It would be really easy to
be like, it's so bad, it's good and to like
tear department versus like to try to understand it and
figure out why it happened and to take the time
to talk to the person that scored it and to
think through it critically. It's a lot harder. It's easy

(01:32:56):
to punch down on movies. And I love I think
every movie is a miracle that it even happened, that
it got filmed and it got out there, and that
we found it and then it re found an audience
thirty years later or forty years later, you know. And
it's like, I love that you guys do that with
so many films. And yeah, I think someone got mad
me once because I was making fun of a fool
Chee movie and I'm like, do you realize how much
I love fool Chie Like It's like, you know, but

(01:33:19):
I can also make fun of Manhattan Baby and say
how ridiculous it is, yeah, and how goofy it is
because it's like somebody. It's like how I would make
fun of one of my best friends or like a
family member, because it's like a loving feeling. And I
get that from every time you guys talk about movies,
like I've never rage quit listened to your Guys show before,
and like I do other podcasts, so I enjoy every episode.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
So getting to be part of it was like a
super big thrill. So thank you so much. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
That means a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Yeah, thanks Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
And You're going to be helping in an indirect way
with the next episode too, because you actually got a
chance to interview the director of my next pick, So
I'm going to be referencing your interview in our next episode.
I may even pick your brain a little bit. Further
about that, I have waited this entire podcast to talk

(01:34:12):
about this movie, to devote an entire episode to this
movie that I love so much, and I am forcing listeners.
You finally have to fucking watch this movie because Lance
still hasn't, even though I've told him about it multiple times.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
I have it. I have it on my shelf now
literally bought it for you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
I'm like, fucking watch the movie Lance Way Bad Stone
nineteen ninety one. I'm so excited for this movie. This
is a shot on video sword and sorcery movie with
Ren fair quote unquote actors and backyard wrestlers LARPing in
the backwoods of Florida. There is horror, but most of
it's in like the last twenty minutes. It's about a

(01:34:51):
wizard who's on a mission to get his stone back
because it's like, you know, away Bad Stone Man. So
the director that I mentioned is Archie Waw. I'm going
to link Sam's interview with him in show notes for
this so that you can read that after you watch
the movie in anticipation of our next episode. As of

(01:35:14):
this recording, it has two hundred and seventy one views
on letterbox. The standard edition Blu ray that was released
by Bleeding Skull is still available as of this recording,
either through Vineger Syndrome site, Orbit DVD, probably Diabolic other
online retailers you can find it. I don't know if
it's going to be on sale for Vineger syndromes like

(01:35:35):
Halfway to Black or not Halfway Black Friday sale, but
that'll be in November anyway. I just I want everyone
to experience the joy that is in this movie, because
this is truly when we talk about like DIY movies
and you can see the love behind it. This is
what this movie is and it's so fun. It is

(01:35:56):
so fun. Sam, I know you love this movie too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
When it came for sale, like if they charged doubleford,
I would have paid it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Yeah, I'm so excited to get and Archie the director
is great.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
He actually said to me that his mother and sister
are both passed on and this is like a document
because they're both in the movie, so you can kind
of see what they looked.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Like thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Yeah, and it's like one of the few documents he
has of his sister talking. She's one of the bar
winches in one of the scenes and he said it
really captures her before she got six, so he watches that. Also,
he's played Dracula like hundreds of times on stage. And
his family is like world famous for the dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
If they raised they raised poodles. I don't way too
much about her.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
We have like a nine hour conversation, so the interview
is like way edited down, but My wife is like,
this interview is insane, Like I can't believe you're getting
all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
I'm like, yeah, I know, Erica.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
You have to message Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
Gets Yeah, no, I'll get I'll get some more tidbits for.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
For the a few I can only think of two
or three other shot on video conan ripoffs, which it's
a hard thing to do right because you need the
costumes and the effects, and you need people that can
fight and look convincing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
This has all of that, Like it's it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Like it's like if it had like a full budget
and it would be as good as any of the
code and ribots that came out of the US.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
I think, yeah, I believe it, but I also love
it for exactly like what it is. Like I love
that they didn't have a budget because like then, you know,
I don't care that I can see zippers on the
back of the costumes or anything like that. When when
you love what you're doing this much, it's just it's
just so good. So this is also going to be

(01:37:37):
my bleeding skull pick for our Horror Gives Back challenge
that we're doing for people Horror Gives Back. Donate a
dollar or more per horror movie that you watch to charity.
We've got one fundraiser set up for Best Friends Animal Society,
and you can donate to that or another charity of

(01:37:57):
your choice if you prefer. This is going to be
my Bleeding Skull Picks, So I'll be sharing my full
list of my picks for the month on our discord.
I'll probably link it in a story on Instagram at
some point too. But and Lance will be sharing his
list soon too, I believe, because I think your pick
for next month is also one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Of your Yeah, we'll be my yeah, late late October
pick here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Okay, I can't wait. I've been putting my list together.
I'm going to do an episode of my show with
all my pop o fun.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
Yeah, can we listen to that? We'll put we'll link
that when we do our episode too. So Sam, thanks
again for joining us. I know we already gushed a
lot about you and all the work that you do.
Can you tell people where to find and follow you
on socials? Uh, you know the stuff that you're doing

(01:38:46):
with Bill and all those all those good places.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Sure, so you can come to the site. It's b
and about movies dot com. That's also the name of
the podcast. It's on anywhere you get podcasts, you too,
Spotify all the different things, find us refine podcasts and
uh there's when you get there, there's a link to
all my different stuff, my different socials. I'm on almost everything.

(01:39:10):
It's either being us about movies or a Sam Panico
on stuff. And then on every Saturday night we're coming
back the first weekend in October. We're on a break
right now, but we do two movies every Saturday night.
Bill ban Wrenn, who publishes The zne Driving Asylum, which
is amazing, Like Bill is the king of going through
old newspapers and finding full ad campaigns and breaking down

(01:39:31):
how movies change their ads, who was carrying that ad,
Movies that you didn't even know had this title, and
like figuring out the mysteries of them. We kind of
do that on the show where we should two films,
we have two cocktails.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
And you guys have been on the show. We had
a blast when you guys were on.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Yeah, and you guys definitely have to come back, like
we were just talking about it, yeah and have you
guys back. But it's so much fun doing it, and
we have a pretty nice community of folks that come
every week and watch, and I think there's there's obviously crossover.
You know, we have some of the same folks that
if you like horror and weird movies and stuff. I
know that Cryptodark Secrets is going to be one of

(01:40:08):
our movies when we come back, because we I fell
in love with that movie. I did the klon something
Weird challenge from your Discord, and I did so many
something weird movies, like a couple hundred this summer. Oh yeah,
so we have a lot of like crazy stuff coming up.
But yeah, thanks. And I just love movies, like obviously,
and I love sharing and talking to other people about

(01:40:30):
them because if you think about it in your life,
like how many people can you just make like a
Jess Franco or Brunha Mattey reference and they're like, yeah,
okay whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
But then when you say this, I'm like, oh my god,
Like his shot on video stuff in the Philippines is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
You're like, yes, this is somebody, so whatever. You guys.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
When I listened to the show, I'm like, these are
people I can talk to you about movies.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
This is wonderful. I don't feel so alone and middle
of western Pennsylvania.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
We got to support each other. I did want to
point out too, that work on special features on like
some video releases on like Visual Vengeance and others. Can
you share, folks where they can find you on any
of those releases.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Yeah, so they are available.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
MVD has them, mvdshop dot com and dia Wolachasm.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
We are on Suburban Sasquatch, which is a wonderful movie.
I love that movie. So I'm so excited to get invited.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
And I think there's four altogether that we've been on,
but we've recorded like ten of them, but all Visual
Vengeance and Stuff's amazing because not only do you get
the movie, you get like a poster. Like the extras
are crazy, how many extras, And like now that I've
been doing stuff for them, like I've got the interview
almost all the directors that shot these and like it's
been like a dream for me to like like Brett McCormick,

(01:41:45):
who did The Abomination, which is my favorite, one of
my favorite movies ever.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
I got to interview him and he's been on the
show a couple of times now, and it's amazing to
get to meet these people and we're like, well, how
did you shoot this? Like what what would drive you
to make a five hundred dollars on video movie in
the middle of Texas, you know what I mean? And
put it together and that's the joy. So Despiser is
the newest one that's going to be out in October.
And if you guys have ever seen it yet or not,

(01:42:11):
I haven't yet.

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
I was waiting for the When you mentioned the release
of that, I was like, Okay, I'm definitely going to
pick that one up because it looks crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
It's like it's like Lord of the Rings was made
by a Canadian Christian cult. It's the best way. It's
not a Christian movie, but it kind of feels like it.
And it's kind of like the Stand and it's kind
of like if you ever played like old like offshoot
D and D games, it's like someone filmed their D
and D campaign and it has like the graphics from
like a PlayStation one game, and it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
It's so good. This is why I love working re
visual Vegeance.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Because we made a joke when we were recording the
commentary that this movie should come with the troll because
there's a possessed troll.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
So there's a lot of evil dead in this movie too.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Yeah, and so they made a troll and if you
buy it a Diabolic you get a troll.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Wearing a despiser t shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Amazing, which is like, I can't believe that we actually
got merch made from something that we did, So that's
really exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Always.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Yeah, my dream I'm putting out into the universe beyond
this movie and released if anybody wants to do it
in a night Trained to Terror release, I'm willing to
talk for two hundred hours. I have so many things
to say about that. I've devoted like so much my
dumb life through rewatching that movie. And we have to
watch this again now so I can during the day,
I go in my office and just watch stuff and

(01:43:27):
don't bother. So that's that's one of them. But yeah, yeah,
thanks for thanks for letting me plug that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Stuff of course. Yeah, folks will put links to all
of that in show notes, where you can pick up
some of the blu rays that Sam and Bill have
worked on. You can follow read there's so many reviews
to read, but really just if you follow Sam on letterbox,
that's your best bet because you'll be able to see
like you're not finding that movie first, folks, Sam is

(01:43:56):
so I mean, you'll be able to link to his
review or just read it right there on Letterbox, speaking
of which you can follow me there as well as
Instagram and Twitter at hex Massacre.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
My letterbox as well and Instagram and l Scheiby.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
All right, thanks everyone for listening and we'll see you
back next episode for Way Bad Stone. Hi guys, Bye bye.

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